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Hello, folks, this is Princess, 
you are listening to the 

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millennial Mustard Seed, pod 
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Thanks for listening. 
Don't forget to share with your 

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friends. 
Welcome back to the show, I got 

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a great episode in store for you
guys. 

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I have a let go here from the 
intelligent design Collective. 

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It's a really unique 
conversation, aleko spent 10 

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years abroad teaching in Asia, 
and You're up, and it's kind of 

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traveled all around and he's got
a background in physics and 

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Science. 
And this is the kind of episode 

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where we really look at the 
physical world, the material 

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world, and dive into the fabric 
of the universe, got good, blood

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is me, right? 
So I'm looking at it, I'm 

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hashing out and asking 
questions, like, where's the 

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boundary between the tangible 
world and the spiritual realm, 

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you know, I kind of pushed the 
bounds from my uneducated very 

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curious. 
Active seeking to get a better 

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understanding of how this 
science collected information of

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the modern days that we live in 
how that can depict the reality 

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of the world. 
We live in in accordance with 

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What God Says is designed, this 
is his creation. 

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Then I think it's really 
important that we slow down and 

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we hear each other out. 
It's never been my idea to try 

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to make you guys believe what. 
I believe the idea here is that 

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you take this journey with me, 
we ask critical questions. 

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And and we make critical 
individual choices about the 

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information and plus you guys 
it's entertaining. 

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All right. 
That's enough of me. 

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Talking aleko a shares with us. 
A lot of information and near 

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death and counter oh oh this is 
a good one. 

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You guys what a captivating 
conversation? 

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Are you ready? 
Let's go. 

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I'm I spoke to fire theft radio.
I was in England and there was a

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train going by about every Or 
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So I thankfully, I had a pretty 
decent microphone that was able 

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to mostly omit that from the 
recording. 

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But if you listen carefully, you
might be able to hear it. 

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I live in town house on a 
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I got like Neighbors on. 
Like, every side of me, it gets 

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a little noisy. 
So I love the idea of a starting

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early on holiday today, because 
most people are probably 

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sleeping in now. 
Are you still in Philadelphia or

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where are you now? 
I grew up in Montgomery County, 

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which is like the suburbs of 
Philadelphia. 

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Now, I actually live closer to 
the City of Reading 

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Pennsylvania. 
So if you're familiar with 

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Monopoly, the reading railroad 
am. 

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Yeah, man, so that's actually 
interesting area. 

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Yeah, it sounds like, it sounds 
really fascinating. 

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Well, your story sounds more. 
Fascinating to me, man, you just

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spent 10 years, abroad teaching,
and you spent time in Vietnam. 

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You just came from England, 
right? 

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So, now you're back in the 
States. 

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I am. 
Yes. 

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Yeah, it's a little lengthier 
than that, but that's about, 

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that's about it. 
Yeah. 

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You're a teacher not anymore, 
not anymore. 

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So I became a biology chemistry 
and physics teacher about 11 

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years ago. 
I taught IGCSE curriculum. 

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So that's British curriculum and
I was also a teacher trainer so 

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I taught pedagogical standards 
so we encouraged we more or less

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we taught teachers how to train 
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students. 
In a way that they would 

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remember the material in a 
meaningful way. 

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So that included everything from
Bloom's taxonomy, like higher 

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order thinking skills, and what 
that is more or less is teaching

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something to learn it. 
So, for example, if you say, if 

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you do a like a graduate level 
degree, you often write a 

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dissertation, right? 
You're writing on a subject that

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you don't know much about or 
maybe you have, you know, sort 

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of fleeting experience with 
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And the reason they Do that at 
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Bloom's taxonomy is this this 
hierarchy of learning and at the

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very top of the hierarchy it 
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something to learn it, right? 
It's you're getting. 

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You're getting the students to 
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or, you know, create an 
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in a way that they'll remember 
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So, you know, if a student does,
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or they're able to maybe just 
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Daydreaming, they might even be 
able to, you know, regurgitate 

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what you just said. 
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else, that's what they call, a 
low level thinking skill. 

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But if you can get somebody to 
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of report and actually teach 
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it in a more meaningful way. 
So we taught higher order 

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thinking skills, we taught him 
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getting students to work 
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We more sort of a I won't say 
progressive, but I'll say modern

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style of teaching as opposed to 
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started in China. 
So I was in China for five years

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and, you know, I was, I guess 
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agnostic, I was raised in a 
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you know, we weren't really. 
We were Christmas Easter only 

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Christians that as you had 
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said, you came from that 
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I remember my father, Growing 
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quite common, I guess, maybe in 
Mediterranean households, but it

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was that he almost expected us 
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you know, maybe be not so kind 
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And, you know, and you see say, 
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That wouldn't be considered 
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Nowadays. 
Like, are you gay? 

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You know, why aren't you, why 
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And so, there was this pressure 
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counterintuitive to what Christ 
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so long story short I had worked
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My hometown up until I was about
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And my wife is from England, 
she's from little town, north of

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London and she suggested that we
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Thailand and I thought okay that
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I've the only the only trips 
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and grease basically in Florida 
bunch I'm so I think so we we 

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left and while we were in India,
she said, hey look, I found I 

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found this teaching jobs in 
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Do you want to give it a try? 
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biochemistry. 
So I thought okay, that could be

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a lot of fun. 
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So I began teaching really 
enjoyed it and we got hired on 

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to international schools that 
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There was a sort of a medley of 
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large. 
A portion of them were Mainland 

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Chinese, but you had German 
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English students that were their
learning, so it was all done in 

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English. 
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While we were there. 
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2012 2012. 
I was involved in a street fight

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where guy nearly hit my wife 
with his car and I got pretty 

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aggressive with him. 
And you know I hit him but I 

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found out very quickly that 
gibber. 

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Watch the old. 
Jackie Chan movies or old, 

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Bruce, Lee movies, any chance? 
Think that I'm like, what 

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happened? 
So, so, okay. 

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Most I would say that I've 
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and I've met quite a few, 
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cities in China while we were 
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I don't know that they would 
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is an accurate thing about About
those Jackie Chan movies, and 

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that's it. 
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person, you know, 20 of their 
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gardening tools and start 
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started the fight and it they 
don't play fair at all and we've

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seen that time and again just it
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Like you know two people will 
start shouting at each other one

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will shove and then you'll see 
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gardening tools and just start 
bludgeoning the person and it is

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brutal. 
So I hit the guy and while I was

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jabbing him down because he he 
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his friends showed up. 
I felt a thud in my back and I 

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had didn't know what it was but 
I turned around and I saw a guy 

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holding a shovel essentially and
I had a nightstick. 

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It was like a, telescoping sort 
of police night stick in my bag 

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and I thought. 
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All right. 
We're Into a fight. 

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Now my wife and I were biking 
through near Wuhan China and I 

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started to walk over to my bike,
but I noticed it was hard to 

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move. 
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And I thought maybe, you know, 
there was a gentleman going, so 

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you're not really thinking that 
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so to bend over to get my bag 
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I couldn't and I felt my back 
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came out and it was on my hand 
and I was bleeding and I noticed

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my shorts were completely wet. 
I was losing blood really 

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quickly so my wife in jumps in 
between us and starts shouting 

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at the guy and Out of nowhere. 
So I should give more context to

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say maybe except understand the 
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Doesn't have Good Samaritan 
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So people will often get hurt in
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And we've seen this. 
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People will often get hurt and 
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So you'll see like a 
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you know, got clipped by a car 
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You'll just see people walking 
by her not doing anything 

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because In China, if someone 
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point at someone and say that 
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that person would have to pay 
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So oftentimes it would be only 
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I'm coming to someone's Aid if 
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hurt severely. 
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It's really crazy. 
There's a lot of stuff. 

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We don't my wife and I don't 
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because we're like nobody would 
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it but well yeah it just really 
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So I guess the significance is 
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Is this man just rolls up with 
this Is three-wheeled, farming, 

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motorcycle and gestures me to 
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And I found out later that my 
wife had prayed about it at the 

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time because she was a, she was 
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She is an incredible Christian. 
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of the motorcycle and wheeled us
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And I was, I was shaking and 
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So I was losing blood quickly 
and my heart was pounding and 

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probably only a few minutes away
from death, but When we got to 

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the hospital, I found out that 
one of my students parents was 

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one of the surgeons there and 
she immediately started helping 

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us. 
She applied pressure, you know, 

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she stitched me up and you know 
the CAT scan and yeah, it was 

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really pretty pretty insane, you
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I it was also there was a bit of
humility added to it all because

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a lot of the teachers that 
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the school as well. 
A lot of the teachers that 

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worked under me showed up before
I got stitched up, they were 

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Wheeling me through the hospital
with my pants down because there

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was so much blood. 
They couldn't figure out where 

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the wound was. 
So they just they just dropped 

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my pants and I was just on this,
you know, rolling better, 

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whatever it's called a gurney. 
And you know, basically my ass 

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was being paraded to the entire 
hospital is, you know, just this

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really humbling thing. 
And all of my teachers are 

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showing up and saying, hey, are 
you okay, what happened, what 

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happened? 
And you know, I couldn't think 

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of anything to say, but how do I
look? 

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You know, but yeah, so yeah, 
long story short, the Press they

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stitched me up. 
They stabilized me put me in a 

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hospital room and the you could 
see like loads of the press 

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trying to get in, to talk to me 
to ask me questions. 

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Because it was, I mean, it was a
small Chinese City, but a small 

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Chinese City, basically is, 
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people. 
It was just outside of Wuhan and

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Hubei Province. 
So that's still pretty famous 

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city I think for the last two 
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trying to get in but there was 
an armed. 

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Communist police officer, that 
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very sort of ominously smoking a
cigarette and watching me. 

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So you know naturally I knew 
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Thank God, but I think the thing
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was I couldn't Really move that 
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He just stood there. 
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know, if you real can you can 
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can, you know, help me to 
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you've done in light of my 
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God's signatures is timing. 
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idiosyncrasy, you know, this 
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the tail end of my prayer right 
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I thought. 
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what the other was but I was 
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stuff that I read while Brown is
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He was an engineer from MIT and 
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all of the things that he said 
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fascinating things to say. 
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essentially. 
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the case for Christ and a couple
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was baptized in a bathtub there.
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is, as you could say history 
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I've just felt a written on my 
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I thought, okay, well, I think I
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become an apologist but you 
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clear that it's not just, you 
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of me. 
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park, you know, one night and I 
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said this prayer. 
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in the first thing I heard was 
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be prepared to defend the gospel
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but I thought, you know what got
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Just could be it, you know, 
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Could you maybe make this 
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and my wife said, hey, I got a 
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nephew and my nephew. 
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He just graduated from 
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He studied primatology and I 
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He's saying she said, well, he 
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apologist to their the new rock 
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Thank you. 
Thank you, God. 

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that I should get into 
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podcast. 
We're more or less week, we 

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cover a range of topics similar 
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really any interviews. 
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conversations going on. 
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design and we have a book club 
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popular. 
Christian Author takes us months

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to go through the book because 
we sort of go through go through

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a chapter by chapter and really 
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much as we can and yeah that's 
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So you know I continued my work 
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Now I just left, Vietnam we left
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for several months and then we 
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I'm starting work at Cirrus 
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So yeah, good fun. 
I knew you were the right guy to

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have on the show, man. 
I'm like, I'm just captivated. 

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I was just listening to, you 
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your journey, what happened to 
you and I know something about 

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trauma physical trauma and how 
that can, Change our perspective

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on life and the existence of God
and the timing thing, super 

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super critical because you can't
fake timing you know when Things

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fall into place in the things 
make sense it's just that's 

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God's way of doing it. 
I really love everything you 

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shared to this point man and it 
sounds like you know like you 

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need to write a book about your 
life experience, some Dame and 

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like whenever you feel like you 
get to that point, just write a 

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book. 
Funny people would be very 

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interested in listening to the 
elongated version of the story. 

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It's awesome to find another. 
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is just not ashamed to use his 
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your the knee neither one of us 
could say to each other, that 

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there's no important because if 
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and grab a cup to give the body 
water, then it couldn't look 

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down at the kneecap and say, hey
man, you're worthless. 

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Look what I can do because the 
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the room to get the cup. 
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And that's why I love connecting
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diversity of gifts. 
And to be on a shamed about it, 

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man. 
What an introduction, dude. 

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It sounds like when you got in 
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before you even said it, I'm 
just thinking of like the Jackie

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Chan movies or Jean-Claude Van 
Damme have you know, like just 

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throw it down out Asian and most
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Know my wife is from Southeast 
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the movies and thank God where 
she's from is pretty peaceful. 

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They're the only Christian 
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So they have some morals there, 
but that's terrifying to hear 

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about China and their society 
literally not having that Good 

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Samaritan mentality. 
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highest things. 
Either the Bible says, you shall

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know those who belong to me by 
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They have for one another. 
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of those staple things for me 
slowing down and helping our 

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neighbor. 
If we're not doing that, and we 

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profess to Believe In Christ, we
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re-evaluate, what form of power 
are we walking in? 

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Is it in love, or is it just in 
reputation? 

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Or is it an anointing? 
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Sometimes people have a 
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difference between an anointing 
is where Talent Yeah, man. 

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So that that bothers me to know 
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Obviously there's Nations all 
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own Nation, here a lot go in the
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The Love is Growing cold. 
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moved towards the end of the 
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consensus to be in China that, 
hey, we're not even help this. 

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This young girl, young guy, who 
whatever happened to him, 

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because we're going to be 
responsible for their hospital 

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bill. 
Wow, that's I didn't really know

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that was the case over there in 
China, but doesn't surprise me 

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with all the disconnect from 
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one country to another. 
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the news companies and all these
big organizations that control a

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lot of the information, they 
just Meander through and keep 

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the confusion or the infatuation
going with whatever is, you 

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know, the new form of rock star 
ISM. 

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To Captivate the minds of people
to keep them from actually 

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diving into what the raw 
organic. 

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Pilar things are that are going 
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The absence of good man is what 
let starkness come in and be 

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present and in Burke Ryan. 
I have no idea, really don't 

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know. 
Like, I mean, I've heard a lot 

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of people talk on that stuff 
before, but like my heart throbs

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with this idea of, if I'm not a 
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going to keep the people from 
robbing my house, right? 

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If like, if we're not holding it
down, if we're not being the 

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light or the salt, if we're not 
flavor, during our work place in

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our household, from all the way 
back to the Greek poets, man, 

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I'm a big fan of poetry are 
right boats for myself and you 

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can see the glimmers of You 
know, people sharing this 

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undeniable truth that I feel 
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human where we have value, we 
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We want to be treated, well 
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fizzling at Stardust. 
So like, you know, like we we've

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been wonderfully and fearfully 
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So sometimes I'll say something 
or feel something earlier and 

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probably heard it somewhere else
before. 

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But I'll truly believe what I'm 
saying. 

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And somebody said, oh, is that, 
that's this person's quote and 

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I'll just put you have no idea. 
But I believe it for it Cedar, 

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I'm just agreeing, you know, 
subconsciously with the idea 

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that's relative to those of the 
sound mind. 

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I don't know, man. 
But it's cool. 

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It's there through cultural 
osmosis, he'll pick it all up. 

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So I mean yeah it's a great 
quote, it's a great quote. 

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Yeah, good points and the good 
points, you know, God's given 

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you the ability to you know have
this education in this. 

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This way of speaking listening 
to you has challenged even some 

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things about the way that I 
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And I've always Has been a fan 
of like for example like Chuck 

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Missler and and here's the 
disconnect, the world thinks 

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you're like a neanderthal. 
I like you know, some your 

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foolish right? 
Your. 

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Oh that's the old book. 
Campfire Story mentality and 

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here we are with modern science 
and their bold enough. 

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They have the audacity to 
Proclaim all these things in the

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name of Stardust. 
It's like, dude, there's plenty 

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of people with the gift now, not
that all of us are right at all.

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Times 11 when it comes to a 
Chuck Missler has always said, 

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but I'll tell you what, he's had
me hanging off the edge of my 

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chair and has challenged my 
Bible deeper, right? 

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Like I think more men need to be
doing. 

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I truly do diving into the word 
god using their gift exposing 

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like hey, this is where we can 
see this connect in the tangible

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real world. 
So take us on like a trip into, 

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you know, your science 
background, how did that? 

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Kind of work its way out. 
Yeah, sure. 

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Well I again I yeah studied 
biochemistry. 

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I you know, I was raised in an 
orthodox Orthodox background but

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I think that's a secular 
education is going to naturally 

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push people into finding a 
materialistic explanation for 

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the universe. 
And and it often goes that way 

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because it says well you know, 
we don't see God per se so it 

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would be Terrific to make that 
Proclamation. 

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But when you consider how God 
interacts with people in the 

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scripture and in real life, you 
notice that there's there's a 

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mark there that is, is 
replicatable but is impossible 

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to write about in scientific 
journals because it's not 

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something that can be really 
experienced in a group dynamic 

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unless God wants it to be. 
So, for example, we were talking

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about The idiosyncrasy thing, 
right? 

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Or or God's timing, right? 
And often times when God's 

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timing is, is the answer to the 
prayer, just something really 

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significant happens but it's, 
you know, it's not that amazing,

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but it's just the timing of it 
all. 

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It's not something you can 
really explain to somebody else.

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Even a Christian, you know, like
it. 

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Say for example, you know, 
something need to happen in 

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order for a prayer to be 
answered like a package and need

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to show up. 
Well, you could, you could say 

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that, you know, you didn't think
that package was going. 

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Show up but it showed up, you 
know, and there was impossible 

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circumstances because of it but 
people would just kind of raise 

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an eyebrow and say well that's 
great and that's that's fine but

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what do you want me to do about,
right? 

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And how do you find God from 
that? 

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But that that to me, walks 
hand-in-hand with the account of

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the biblical God, a lot of what 
he does is personal and it's 

449
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meant solely for you and I think
that that's important because 

450
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,900
you know, if everyone were to be
able to tether themselves to a 

451
00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:56,400
person I'll experience that you 
had and then all of a sudden 

452
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,700
have their faith in riched. 
Well, that would be great but it

453
00:25:59,708 --> 00:26:02,000
would be a zero effort thing on 
their part. 

454
00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:03,600
Right? 
And so, they wouldn't really 

455
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,100
have to do the do the, the 
legwork, in order to, you know, 

456
00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:10,800
create that relationship with 
the father as well, right? 

457
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:16,700
So, I think that the experience 
of God is a very personal one, 

458
00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:19,100
although it can be a group 
thing, you know, that does 

459
00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:20,800
happen from time to time in the 
scripture. 

460
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,400
And that's, that's something 
that really is not. 

461
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,200
You know, something you can put 
into a scientific journal. 

462
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,200
Now, when it comes to 
intelligent design, you know, 

463
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,400
Missler, I recall listening to 
mr. 

464
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,800
I thought it was pretty 
interesting and he touches on 

465
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,700
some some very popular popular 
things in his talks. 

466
00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:46,100
I think that he gives more of a 
campfire version of intelligent 

467
00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:49,800
design but he does touch on one 
of the most important 

468
00:26:49,900 --> 00:26:51,700
philosophical arguments in that 
was paley's. 

469
00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:53,900
Watchmaker argument. 
Do you remember that one? 

470
00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:56,300
Really. 
Okay? 

471
00:26:56,300 --> 00:26:59,900
So being a British Theologian, 
William Paley. 

472
00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:03,800
He put this argument out there 
and it's been replicated in a 

473
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,600
number of different ways, but 
it's one of the most compelling 

474
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,100
philosophical argument and 
arguments and it tethers itself 

475
00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:13,400
to the science, right? 
So science and philosophy. 

476
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,200
Often need to be Blended 
together in order to make 

477
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,800
assumptions about Grand unifying
cosmology, right? 

478
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,100
That's essentially what 
metaphysics is or You know, 

479
00:27:25,500 --> 00:27:27,800
cosmology, right? 
So there's a number of things we

480
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,400
just don't know about with 
regard to deep space or the 

481
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,800
creation of the universe. 
So we take the science that we 

482
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,600
can observe on Earth and we make
a big assumption. 

483
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,100
A big philosophical assumption 
about the universe and that's 

484
00:27:40,100 --> 00:27:42,200
where we get, you know, our 
pendants are paintings from. 

485
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:48,300
So William Paley once stated 
that if you came across a watch 

486
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,200
sitting in the sand at the 
beach, And you pondered its 

487
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,000
Origins while analyzing is, he 
picked up a Seiko, you know, 

488
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,700
that you found in the sand. 
Right, your first assumption 

489
00:27:57,700 --> 00:28:01,600
would likely not be that over 
millions of years and through 

490
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,900
chance. 
Processes Adams, spontaneously 

491
00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:08,300
gathered through the lineage of 
random mutations and 

492
00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:10,700
environmental adaptations, 
right? 

493
00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:14,200
So you would also likely not 
assume that the watch had 

494
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,100
ancient ancestors, which formed 
self replicating cells that then

495
00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:22,800
bunched into more complex forms 
and Eventually, Advanced onto 

496
00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:26,400
dividing in asexual, 
reproduction or rather 

497
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,600
reproduction without to people. 
But one person writes, it was 

498
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,900
just one, watch reproducing, 
like a cell, right? 

499
00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:35,700
Which is how they say humans 
started. 

500
00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:39,200
You know, you know when we were 
once single-celled, organisms, 

501
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,800
we were dividing. 
And then eventually somehow 

502
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,100
spontaneously produced a 
completely compatible 

503
00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:47,800
reproductive partner which is 
another thing all that's 

504
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,300
another, you know, Rabbit Hole 
together. 

505
00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:52,200
But I'll maybe get into that 
later. 

506
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,100
So you know if you are observing
this watch, you would probably 

507
00:28:57,100 --> 00:29:02,000
also find it hard to believe 
that it's, you know, reproduced 

508
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,900
sexually or it had maybe parents
that you know produced to 

509
00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:08,200
slightly less Advanced want, 
there's two slightly less 

510
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,300
Advanced watches that produced 
it a slightly more advanced 

511
00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:14,700
watch which walks hand-in-hand 
with evolutionary theory, right?

512
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,500
So without without question, 
many people would acknowledge 

513
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:22,500
that a watch filled with cogs. 
Watch hands numbers in the steel

514
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:26,100
casing and some some type of 
power source like a battery 

515
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,600
falling together by complete 
accident or natural, Randomness 

516
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,600
is absurd. 
So, what is fascinating, is that

517
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,500
while some would view this is 
silly. 

518
00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:39,900
I think most people would view 
that as silly as the human wrist

519
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,400
that a watch would be resting on
is exponentially more 

520
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,400
complicated than the watch 
itself. 

521
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:49,200
The watch is what you would call
an open-loop system in 

522
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,700
engineering. 
So in open loop, System has only

523
00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:55,200
a few controls or feedback 
items, integrated into its 

524
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,400
design. 
These are typically used to 

525
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,300
tweak activity variables, in 
order to promote the preferred 

526
00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:03,600
efficiency of the item in the 
open-loop system. 

527
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:06,200
So with a watch, you've got a 
little crown or maybe a couple 

528
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,100
of buttons. 
You've got the ability to remove

529
00:30:09,100 --> 00:30:10,900
the battery or put the battery 
back in. 

530
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:15,000
Another example, would be maybe 
a washing machine depending upon

531
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,100
the quantity of garments or how 
dirty they were a user. 

532
00:30:19,300 --> 00:30:22,800
Could adjust the rolls to a 
particular length of time and 

533
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,800
intensity in order to generate a
desired output inside the 

534
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,000
washing machine. 
There are some simple machine 

535
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,000
parts, maybe even a basic 
computer, but most importantly, 

536
00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:39,200
the washing machine needs repair
and is not self-aware and it 

537
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,200
doesn't legitimately know if the
clothes are clean or not. 

538
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:45,900
Akin to, the watch, the watch 
doesn't know what time it is. 

539
00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:51,100
It's just, you know, it's 
created to tell the time, The 

540
00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:53,900
wrist that the watch would be 
resting on, however, is what you

541
00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:57,700
would call a hyper complex, 
closed loop engineering system, 

542
00:30:58,300 --> 00:31:01,200
a closed loop system, is 
generally defined as a 

543
00:31:01,300 --> 00:31:04,400
mechanical device, that has 
self-regulation over one or more

544
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,500
variables in its operation 
processes. 

545
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:09,800
Mostly without control 
interaction or input. 

546
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,800
So they vary from open loop 
systems because they typically 

547
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,500
have both Hardware or moving 
components and software, which 

548
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:19,900
controls and measures 
operations. 

549
00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:24,900
To maintain desired output 
closed loop systems are very 

550
00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:27,500
challenging to create and 
typically can be far from 

551
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:29,500
Flawless. 
So, one example of this would be

552
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000
a window near a thermostat, 
right? 

553
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,800
So that's a simple closed loop 
design during during the winter.

554
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,800
You know, if the window is open,
you would cause the room to 

555
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,800
overheat because the thermostat 
was detecting that cold air was 

556
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,300
hitting it and the room was too 
cold. 

557
00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:47,900
Right? 
So, in the case of the wrist, 

558
00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:52,900
what is observed is a Closed 
loop system that can adapt to 

559
00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:55,500
ambient conditions fight off 
potential. 

560
00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:59,600
Invaders is largely 
self-maintaining and is 

561
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,000
controlled by software in this 
case, human consciousness. 

562
00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:07,400
So from an engineering 
perspective, the wrist is many 

563
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,300
orders of magnitude more complex
than the watch and more baffling

564
00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:14,100
would be the notion of a, you 
know. 

565
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:17,300
So the wrist is it what we call 
a relatively simple, part of the

566
00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:20,800
body, you can think of an eye 
following together by Canary 

567
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,600
accident, even throughout 
millions of years, many 

568
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,300
biologists, make this claim 
about life. 

569
00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:27,800
In general, will not even 
ruminating on the complexity of 

570
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,600
the eyes, or the brains, or the 
digestive systems that most 

571
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,900
life-forms possess. 
So, as an attempted for oil in 

572
00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:40,600
the 1700s philosopher, David 
Hume suggested that living 

573
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,800
systems only have the appearance
of machines and also said that, 

574
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,000
you know, unless it can be 
proven that living systems are 

575
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,400
machines at the molecular level,
that the watchmaker argument is 

576
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,700
Irrelevant Darwin. 
Himself said that if it could be

577
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:57,000
proved that at the microscopic 
level cells are complex. 

578
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,900
His entire Theory would be up 
Ended as well, and lo and behold

579
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:05,600
the electron microscope was 
invented and might modern 

580
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,200
microbiology demonstrated that 
even the simplest organisms are 

581
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,700
complex machines beyond our 
imaginations as so Michael 

582
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:17,800
Denton, a British Australian 
biochemist noted that although 

583
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,300
the tiniest bacterial cells are 
incredibly small. 

584
00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:24,800
All each is in effect, a super 
miniaturized Factory, containing

585
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,100
thousands of exquisitely, 
designed pieces of intricate 

586
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:32,600
molecular Machinery, made up of 
100 billion atoms, far more 

587
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,500
complicated than any machine 
ever built by man. 

588
00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:39,300
And absolutely, without parallel
in the Machine World there's 

589
00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:42,700
another quote that I like from 
astrophysicists drained F Louis 

590
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,000
and Luke a Barnes And they 
Defined Life as a miracle of 

591
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:52,000
complexity in every single cell 
and they Also, noted that cells 

592
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,700
have machinery for moving 
themselves, tagging, and 

593
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:58,400
transporting other molecules 
processing food defending 

594
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,000
against Invaders DNA, 
replication and repair creating 

595
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,100
proteins, as well as receiving 
and sending outside messages 

596
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,100
cells. 
Can also duplicate themselves in

597
00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:11,699
a very short amount of time and 
they finally noted that 

598
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,100
computers created by humans are 
good, but they don't even come 

599
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:19,400
close to this. 
So what's significant about this

600
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:26,600
is Biologists are often the only
ones who tend to make this claim

601
00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:31,600
about about life that it just 
gradually gets more advanced. 

602
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:38,800
But in fact, we don't see this 
in any data because it violates,

603
00:34:39,100 --> 00:34:41,900
what we call the month laws of 
physics, right? 

604
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:47,400
So the, the violates entropy and
thermodynamic equilibrium 

605
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,300
constant and entropy more or 
less suggests that Things Decay 

606
00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:54,800
over time unless there's some 
type of intelligent input. 

607
00:34:55,199 --> 00:35:00,000
So for example, you know, you 
have a baby that's produced 

608
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,200
which is this hyper complex 
thing with, you know, 

609
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,600
Consciousness and it's 
essentially a perfect machine 

610
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,100
that will last for 80 to 100 
years, depending on, you know, 

611
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:16,200
environmental factors. 
But the only reason it exists or

612
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,300
was produced was because two 
intelligent beings put it 

613
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:21,700
together, right? 
But when you To you don't have 

614
00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:25,900
some type of intelligent input, 
entropy takes hold of things in 

615
00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:28,700
case in point would be the 
Earth. 

616
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:31,700
Or, you know, something decaying
falling apart, you know, take, 

617
00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:34,400
for example, here's a clumsy 
analogy, but, you know, I think 

618
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,900
Missler use this one. 
You know, your room over time, 

619
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:42,000
it's going to just become ugly. 
If you're not constantly fixing 

620
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,400
it, organizing it putting it 
back in order because that is 

621
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,800
essentially what entropy is 
things Decay and sort of fall 

622
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,800
apart over time. 
If there's not some type of 

623
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,000
intelligent input and 
thermodynamic equilibrium 

624
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:59,600
constant states that all matter,
Trends toward spreading evenly, 

625
00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:01,500
right? 
So it's the reason why you 

626
00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:04,900
don't, you know, all the air in 
your room, doesn't Bunch up in 

627
00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:06,700
one corner and suffocate you, 
right? 

628
00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:09,200
Because matter Trends towards 
spreading evenly. 

629
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:14,400
So a planet forming or life 
self-forming against these two 

630
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,400
laws entropy, which means 
everything is decaying or 

631
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,400
thermodynamic equilibrium. 
Which says that everything 

632
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,100
spreads evenly means that there 
has to be some type of 

633
00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:29,100
intelligent input. 
You have physicists. 

634
00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:33,000
Like this is very long-winded. 
So stop if I'm going too far. 

635
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:39,100
But well yeah, physicists are 
people like Brian Cox or Brian 

636
00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:41,000
Greene. 
We were two very famous 

637
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,100
physicists. 
And I actually enjoy their books

638
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,500
state that you might have had 
things like pockets of entropy 

639
00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:48,600
are pockets of dis entropy, 
right? 

640
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:53,500
So times when he slowed down and
all of a sudden, you know, a 

641
00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:56,600
single cell could form, but the 
simple fact of the matter is, 

642
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,300
we've never witnessed that and 
there's no reason we would ever 

643
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:02,700
have. 
There's nothing that we've seen 

644
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:04,400
in nature and or observable 
science. 

645
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,300
That would lead us to believe 
that. 

646
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,000
All we know is that the universe
is in a state of decay, and we 

647
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:17,600
have these hyper complex things 
in the form of life, statistics 

648
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,300
analysis, sorry, statistics 
analysts, say that. 

649
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:26,700
The odds of something becoming 
unlikely are typically around 1 

650
00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:30,400
in 1,000, right? 
So, the odds of Life appearing 

651
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,900
from nowhere are, you know, 
exponentially greater than that?

652
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:37,200
So, I think it was a dr. 
Stephen C, Meyer of Cambridge, 

653
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,400
who said that the odds of 
forming a functional cell 

654
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,300
through absolute chaos and 
entropy from a proposed, amino 

655
00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:49,800
acid Rich primordial pool, which
is what some people suggest is 

656
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,300
you know. 
What cause life on Earth is more

657
00:37:52,300 --> 00:37:55,400
than one chance in a hundred 
thousand trillion trillion 

658
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,700
trillion. 
We see how I mean look at my 

659
00:37:57,700 --> 00:38:00,600
notes here and me. 
See if okay a hundred thousand 

660
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,200
trillion trillion trillion 
trillion trillion trillion 

661
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,300
trillion trillion trillion. 
How many zeros is it until it's 

662
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:12,700
considered absurd. 
It's ya know, I'm tracking with 

663
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:15,100
what you're saying and this is 
really good because a lot of the

664
00:38:15,107 --> 00:38:19,400
times culture will train us to 
see only through the perspective

665
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,700
that Of value to that 
organization that school or that

666
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,000
consumer system, right? 
Let's look at what other people 

667
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,300
said. 
Let's look at the physics. 

668
00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:33,200
The structure of this world 
around us, and try to make sense

669
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,900
of it. 
My biblical filter will 

670
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:38,600
register. 
Hey, this verse may very well, 

671
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,900
have been in regards to the 
unknown information. 

672
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,400
Christ, says I hold all things 
together, well, it's not until 

673
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,500
modern day, that we'd learn 
about laminate in this cell 

674
00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:52,200
adhesion protein. 
Molecule that's shaped naturally

675
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,800
in the shape of a cross looks 
like a rebar the human body. 

676
00:38:55,300 --> 00:38:58,500
When you're saying this stuff, 
man, it's really developing this

677
00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:02,500
deeper hunger and excitement 
within me because I feel like 

678
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:08,300
we're systematically undoing the
tainting of, you know, the 

679
00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:12,700
world's agenda to remove Christ 
from the Forefront of our mind. 

680
00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:16,400
He says, all things were created
through him for him and by him 

681
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,200
and I think there's nothing 
wrong with taking this 

682
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,200
scientific style Oprah. 
It's to just looking at the 

683
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,400
world around us and then also 
bathing into the scriptures and 

684
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,800
like a Berean looking for, for 
where they connect. 

685
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:30,500
Where do you think? 
Science does draw the line 

686
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:33,600
between what's natural to 
Supernatural. 

687
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:38,200
You see a like sacred divided in
between the two categories of 

688
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,400
where they're like, no, that's 
too far. 

689
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,200
We don't even go there. 
Yeah, it's a good question. 

690
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,000
I think that it's a bit 
subjective in terms of what my 

691
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,400
answer might be but I think it's
pretty obvious to the public 

692
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:54,500
that The scientific process is 
actually a, it's actually a 

693
00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:57,000
beautiful process when you think
about it and, you know, the way 

694
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,100
we discern things, but 
scientists themselves don't need

695
00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:05,500
to be objective and that's 
proved time and time again in 

696
00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:08,600
terms of what we see in terms of
the actions of science. 

697
00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:11,800
No matter what, what camp you 
fall in with regard to, and this

698
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,300
is a bit of a touchy subject but
the covid-19 camp now, what no 

699
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:18,500
matter what can't be fall into, 
you see that there's a complete 

700
00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:22,100
lack of objectivity. 
With with scientists and this is

701
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:24,600
kind of a roundabout way of 
answering your question, but 

702
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:32,300
scientists will do. 
Whatever it takes to promulgate 

703
00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:35,900
their own success, whatever that
might that might look like for 

704
00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:40,200
them, you know, maybe it fiscal 
success or or you know maybe 

705
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:45,300
notoriety popularity and I do 
believe that there are many 

706
00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:47,900
scientists even secular ones out
there that are out for the 

707
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:50,400
greater good. 
They're genuinely curious. 

708
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:57,100
But oftentimes you see flighty 
claims being made or maybe even 

709
00:40:57,100 --> 00:41:00,600
slightly. 
Ones that are based on the 

710
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,600
Kernel of truth, that will 
increase their chances of 

711
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:09,700
funding, that will increase 
their chances of of notoriety. 

712
00:41:09,700 --> 00:41:14,400
In one, one thing comes to mind 
would be, for example, I've got 

713
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:15,700
to recall the names of the 
planet. 

714
00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:19,200
So they think it was Kepler-186f
and Trappist 1D. 

715
00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:27,000
They constantly go on about 
these two planets in their 

716
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,200
different. 
Current system altogether, 

717
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,500
right? 
And using Doppler effect, 

718
00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:34,800
they're able to determine that. 
These planets are in the 

719
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,300
Goldilocks zone and that means 
it's the perfect distance from 

720
00:41:38,300 --> 00:41:39,600
there. 
Start to Harbor life, right? 

721
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:45,200
Not too hot, not too cold, the 
right size using using Doppler 

722
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,400
effect, right? 
So it's a, it's a very sketchy 

723
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,800
way to try to determine where 
these planets are to begin with,

724
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:53,900
right? 
So because you have things like 

725
00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:57,800
gravitational lensing which 
distorts our field of view. 

726
00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:01,200
You have a variable speed of 
light Theory, which suggests 

727
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,200
that the speed of light is not 
constant. 

728
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,500
It can change from time to time 
and then you have, you know, 

729
00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:10,200
human instrument limitations. 
We're using, you know, pretty 

730
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:15,700
primitive stuff to to make very 
big claims about about these 

731
00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:18,700
planets in. 
There's a lot of chance that it 

732
00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:22,200
could be slightly inaccurate if 
not mostly inaccurate though. 

733
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,800
I like this type of talk. 
I think it's very interesting, 

734
00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:28,600
they're the scientists are more 
or less saying You know what? 

735
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,300
These are these kids, these 
could have life. 

736
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,600
So, you know, I'll propose 
things like this to, to my 

737
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,600
students and say, well, you know
why, why would scientists 

738
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,800
constantly go on about this? 
Why would they reported to the 

739
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,600
media and the students, you 
know, oftentimes, you know, 

740
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,700
we'll get the answer right? 
You know, they have a more 

741
00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:49,000
simplified way of looking at 
things but, you know, the same 

742
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,200
well, money, right. 
You know, the essentially means 

743
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,700
funding for them and that's 
exactly the truth, you know, 

744
00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:57,400
even if it's not to line their 
own pockets and they just want 

745
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,500
to, you know, no, let's just say
they have a very magnanimous 

746
00:42:59,500 --> 00:43:02,000
perspective and they just want 
to grow their program. 

747
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,800
Making a crazy claim is going to
bring attention to your program.

748
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,800
It's going to gain the attention
of investors. 

749
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,700
This is again this is a very 
roundabout way of answering but 

750
00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:15,500
I suppose providing context is 
really important. 

751
00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:20,600
I think that you know, the line 
can be shifted wherever it needs

752
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,700
to be shifted as long as as long
as it will bring attention to a 

753
00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:27,000
program. 
It won't stomp on that you know,

754
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,300
scientist in Work. 
You know, there's a lot of 

755
00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:34,700
scientists who have done done 
work and that has been upended 

756
00:43:34,700 --> 00:43:37,800
by recent discoveries that will 
defend their work to the Grave 

757
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,900
only because it dis, you know, 
the, the new discovery kind of 

758
00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:45,000
discredits what they've done. 
Right. 

759
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,900
There's a lot of scientists that
have completely made things up 

760
00:43:47,900 --> 00:43:52,300
because of, because of the 
attention of brings one, one 

761
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:58,300
that comes to mind that still in
textbooks today is Okay, Ernst 

762
00:43:58,300 --> 00:44:02,700
heichal about 100 and I want to 
say, 110 years ago, 120 years 

763
00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:04,900
ago, you have to look this up. 
I don't recall the day. 

764
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,300
He falsified sketches of embryos
and what he did was he drew gill

765
00:44:10,300 --> 00:44:14,700
slits into embryos of different 
animals. 

766
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:18,200
He had humans, you know, annum 
variety of animals and he 

767
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,900
essentially, you know, 
indicated, these were gills. 

768
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,700
And what the implication was was
that, well, you know, in the 

769
00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:30,200
womb All animals, go through, 
they version of The evolutionary

770
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:31,900
process. 
So you can see that we were all 

771
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:35,200
fish at one point, but the 
simple fact of the matter is 

772
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,300
that the they're not gills at 
all. 

773
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:39,100
They have nothing to do with the
respiratory system, they're just

774
00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:42,300
these ridges that are analogous 
structures. 

775
00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:47,300
And the yeah, they don't, they 
don't point to us being fish or 

776
00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:50,400
any animals being fish out of an
fish in the slightest. 

777
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,400
So but the thing is you know, I 
have recent textbooks from Um, 

778
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,300
Cambridge have some textbooks 
from the US that I've taught out

779
00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:02,800
of that still indicate this to 
this day. 

780
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:06,900
And I guess it's an example of 
authoritative parenting where, 

781
00:45:06,900 --> 00:45:09,900
you know, people hear somebody 
who they think is important 

782
00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:11,700
saying something. 
And they just pair it it they 

783
00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:15,000
just repeat what they said 
because they don't you know, 

784
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,900
really want to look into it. 
They're just kind of they've got

785
00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:19,600
their own worries, right? 
So I guess the point I'm trying 

786
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:24,600
to make is as long as it doesn't
stomp on the scientists, the 

787
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:29,400
scientists and questions work. 
And as long as they think that 

788
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:34,100
they can generate interest, I 
don't think that the line is 

789
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:37,200
stratified, you know, it can 
move wherever they needed to 

790
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:42,700
move in and you see that today 
with with things like you APS 

791
00:45:42,700 --> 00:45:45,200
where that was our UFOs or 
whatever that we're that was 

792
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,600
kind of a taboo subject, maybe 
two decades ago, or even five 

793
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,000
years ago. 
But there's a lot of information

794
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,000
being released about them and 
now all of a sudden, you have 

795
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,400
people like is some of my 
favorite authors, like Mitchell.

796
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:01,600
Kaku and, you know, I don't I 
can't see anyone else but you 

797
00:46:01,607 --> 00:46:03,500
know, off the bat you know, 
Michio Kaku. 

798
00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:06,200
I remember he came on a couple 
of podcasts recently. 

799
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,400
He's been on the news. 
He's discussed You know, the 

800
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:16,400
very notion of UFOs, something 
that would have maybe gotten you

801
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,800
laughed out of some serious 
circles, perhaps a few years 

802
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,300
ago. 
So it aligned can move wherever 

803
00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:26,400
it needs to move. 
There's you know if it can be 

804
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,400
wherever it needs to be as very 
roundabout way. 

805
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,400
It's hurting your question. 
So no, I know I think you 

806
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,900
actually got to the root of the 
issue of the question being that

807
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,400
the context is so important 
because Being aware of the fact 

808
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,800
that they move the line in 
accordance with their agenda, 

809
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,600
helps us to then not be so 
easily, LED astray by whatever 

810
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,700
the information that's floating 
around today, right? 

811
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:54,600
Like the premises of the show, 
like in my notes for the podcast

812
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,800
is listen, there's a million 
messages in a million signals 

813
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,500
that are causing confusion and 
Chaos. 

814
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,500
Let's take this journey together
and you know, discovering this 

815
00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:06,000
ultimate truth, right? 
Like what do we believe is true?

816
00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:11,000
So to see how they just like me 
Manipulate where the line falls 

817
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,900
from the natural world, to what 
some consider to be the 

818
00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:18,400
supernatural World. 
They Bend IN manipulate that 

819
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,500
depending on what their agenda 
is or what's relevant at the 

820
00:47:21,500 --> 00:47:23,400
time. 
I think you kind of giving the 

821
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,700
context and sharing that 
perspective actually was much 

822
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:29,400
more respectable my opinion. 
You know, I've heard I think it 

823
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,500
was dr. 
Chuck Missler talk about take a 

824
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:35,700
piece of string and you cut that
piece of string in half and you 

825
00:47:35,707 --> 00:47:38,600
would imagine you could just 
keep cutting that other half. 

826
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,500
In half, right? 
And you just keep doing that 

827
00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:42,900
forever. 
But you eventually get to this 

828
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,400
this part where it loses a 
property called locality. 

829
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:50,400
It's like that little piece of 
string. 

830
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,200
Now, just becomes everywhere, 
once it's it falls into like the

831
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:59,800
classification of plasma the 
Bible's always said, we are the 

832
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,400
shadow of a larger reality I 
believe I have this biblical 

833
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,000
filter my aspirations. 
Clearly outweigh of my 

834
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,400
education. 
I let everybody know that like 

835
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,900
you know think crazy at times 
and say things it's not always 

836
00:48:14,900 --> 00:48:18,000
exactly like coming from, you 
know, the campus certainty but 

837
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,700
maybe philosophizing a little 
bit at times hearing that kind 

838
00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:24,900
of information from Chuck 
Missler when you're a little 

839
00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:28,600
kid, you believe you already 
have this like mindset where you

840
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:33,800
would already believe. 
If somebody said hey Bird flu by

841
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,100
up there, right? 
Or like an angel, or God's real.

842
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:39,800
Whatever like you would be easy 
and belief and I'm not talking 

843
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,000
about being gullible, the world 
would like, oh, you're just 

844
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,100
depicting a childlike mentality 
and an adult who would just 

845
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:47,500
believe anything and you guys 
are the very reason why things 

846
00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:50,400
are wrong. 
No, no, honestly, look at the 

847
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,300
placebo effect. 
But there's power and belief, 

848
00:48:54,500 --> 00:48:57,300
like even if you believe in 
something that would be contrary

849
00:48:57,300 --> 00:48:59,500
to would the, I believe in there
still powering. 

850
00:48:59,900 --> 00:49:03,800
So there's this, like, Realm 
behind the realm that like, I've

851
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,000
always felt sensitive to 
electrical. 

852
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,000
And for me, personally, I think 
the supernatural world is going 

853
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:15,200
to be that timing that power 
that almost undisputable 

854
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,500
personal experiences that happen
intermittently over the course 

855
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:23,700
of the experiencers life that 
reveal the realm Within ROM, my 

856
00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:27,800
Kaiser wrote, the biblical 
narrative has this thread all 

857
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,700
the way through it of this 
Angelic world. 

858
00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:34,400
You know, this, this other realm
God being spirit and inhabiting 

859
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,100
Eternity. 
But yet we're operating in this 

860
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:40,100
physical temporary world. 
I know it sounds like I'm 

861
00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:42,300
jumping around a lot, not as my 
time. 

862
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,000
This realm between the realm. 
If you have a computer, it's 

863
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,300
just some materials plastic and 
polymers, or whatever goal, you 

864
00:49:51,308 --> 00:49:55,400
know, whatever you make a 
computer, you could upload. 500.

865
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,400
Gigabytes of information in 
computer, you put it on a scale,

866
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,200
it still weighs exactly the 
same, you know, nothing changes.

867
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,500
It weighs the same without the 
information uploaded to the 

868
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:06,900
computer as if it would if it 
was completely blank and empty 

869
00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:09,700
hard drive with with no 
information on it, I like in 

870
00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:13,500
that kind of thought process to 
like that realm behind this 

871
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:17,100
Isabel realm, the word of God 
being, you know, sharper than a 

872
00:50:17,107 --> 00:50:21,400
double-edged sword, man. 
It separates it teaches us to 

873
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,800
speak life. 
This old papaya, this Bible book

874
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,900
that has transformed the hearts 
of men and women. 

875
00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:31,900
But thousands of years that to 
me is like the evidence of the 

876
00:50:31,900 --> 00:50:35,600
behind-the-scenes realm, you 
know, the supernatural document 

877
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:40,100
that doesn't abide by the laws 
of physics biology or science in

878
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:44,200
general, something's happening 
that we can't quite get a grasp 

879
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,800
or and the guy next door, the 
lady down the street news. 

880
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,100
This, how does science in 
general deal with the 

881
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:52,400
supernatural? 
Look at like Albert Einstein was

882
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,300
spooky action at a distance, you
know, any of these like, great 

883
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:58,300
influencers throughout history. 
And they're always hinting at 

884
00:50:58,300 --> 00:51:02,800
this strange world that we can't
get under the microscope, I 

885
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,200
don't know. 
Sorry for going on such a long 

886
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,000
Grant there, but I know it's 
great, it's great. 

887
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,100
Yeah, yeah, I just see like the 
cultural and the cultures of the

888
00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:13,500
world, the education system 
religion, this consumerism and 

889
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,600
Howdy the violence 
entertainment, the individual 

890
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,900
traumas as well, as you know, 
the large-scale traumas. 

891
00:51:19,900 --> 00:51:23,800
You know, just look at 20:20 and
the pandemic, what? 

892
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:28,400
That's done to people mentally 
and I see all of that in a 

893
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,700
unique way to an extent, all of 
it has, my opinion been 

894
00:51:32,700 --> 00:51:36,600
manipulated, and used the lines 
have been changed and moved 

895
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,700
around in order to keep people 
from really being able to 

896
00:51:39,700 --> 00:51:42,500
connect, you know, keep people 
from being cordial with each 

897
00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:44,300
other. 
Like, and having A good honest 

898
00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:46,500
discussion. 
Even if we disagree still being 

899
00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:49,700
respectable enough to share 
information, like what are we 

900
00:51:49,700 --> 00:51:51,900
going to do with frequency the 
human body? 

901
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:55,600
The super complex machine, we 
can put off a frequency of Love 

902
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,800
or fear, whatever it may be. 
You know, all these natural 

903
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,200
organic materials, do put off a 
frequency, what world does that 

904
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,800
operate in? 
Is that on the cusp of the 

905
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,100
supernatural side of things, you
know, anything on that. 

906
00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:12,100
No, you know, that's that's 
probably out of my field of 

907
00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:14,800
study. 
But yeah, it's a comment on some

908
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,400
of the things that you said and 
I do have some thoughts on on 

909
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,400
your question, but new to 
comment on some of the things 

910
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:22,700
that you said, I think you 
brought up some really 

911
00:52:22,700 --> 00:52:25,400
interesting points. 
You talked about splitting the 

912
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:30,100
line and cutting the line and 
how it you know people at one 

913
00:52:30,100 --> 00:52:33,500
point thought that you could 
divide matter down infinitely 

914
00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:37,200
because it was the primary 
building block of existence but 

915
00:52:37,500 --> 00:52:38,400
they're the measurement, you 
talk. 

916
00:52:38,500 --> 00:52:43,300
Thing about is planck length and
it's a 10 to the minus 30 fifth,

917
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:46,900
that, at a certain point, matter
loses a locality, right? 

918
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:52,700
And that, if you combine that 
with the idea of atoms, like, 

919
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:58,100
for example, it's helium. 
You the distance between the 

920
00:52:58,100 --> 00:53:03,100
nucleus and the electron, if you
were to blow it up, is about the

921
00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:06,000
size of a football field. 
So I'm sorry if you were to 

922
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:10,800
proportionately, make the the 
The atom bigger, the distance 

923
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:15,300
between the middle of the atom 
and the outside of the atom is 

924
00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:18,000
the distance of a football field
at a certain size, right? 

925
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:26,900
So what the implication is that 
atoms are mostly empty space and

926
00:53:26,900 --> 00:53:30,400
what's the reason why you have 
things that feel solid, the 

927
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,800
reason why you can't pass your 
hand through your desk is 

928
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,900
because of the electromagnetic 
force. 

929
00:53:34,900 --> 00:53:39,700
So, a reductionist perspective 
of That is that everything that 

930
00:53:39,700 --> 00:53:41,700
you see in everything that you 
touch is light. 

931
00:53:41,900 --> 00:53:48,500
It's electromagnetism, it's, 
it's almost a thought and, you 

932
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:51,300
know, that that kind of walks 
hand-in-hand with simulation 

933
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:54,200
Theory. 
But when you consider the notion

934
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,700
of ndes or near-death 
experiences, I think one of the 

935
00:53:57,707 --> 00:54:01,100
most fascinating things that I 
read about sorry I speak about 

936
00:54:01,100 --> 00:54:04,500
this as if you know about it I'm
assuming you do because it's in 

937
00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:08,400
the Zeitgeist but you have these
people that, you know, have had 

938
00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:12,400
Very significant and almost 
provable some in some cases, 

939
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,800
very provable near-death 
experiences where they have a 

940
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,700
vision of heaven. 
And one of the recurring motifs 

941
00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:25,200
of those experiences is that 
people say that the the realm of

942
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,100
Heaven is more real than what 
they experience on Earth. 

943
00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:33,100
Earth feels like the fuzzy sort 
of hazy realm as Heaven is often

944
00:54:33,100 --> 00:54:37,000
depicted in TV shows as fuzzy 
hazy place with clouds and you 

945
00:54:37,008 --> 00:54:38,300
know, people have wings and all 
that stuff. 

946
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:40,700
But they say that going back to 
Earth. 

947
00:54:40,700 --> 00:54:44,200
Earth feels like the place. 
That's not real and Heaven feels

948
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,400
like a place that they've been 
gone from. 

949
00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:48,600
You know it feels like they've 
gone back home. 

950
00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:51,600
So I find that really 
fascinating, you know, this this

951
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,400
notion of a simulated world. 
And I think one of the most, 

952
00:54:55,500 --> 00:54:59,900
this is a bit Fringe. 
This is a bit perhaps even 

953
00:54:59,900 --> 00:55:02,200
esoteric, and and clumsy as 
well. 

954
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:07,800
But I think one analogy that our
book club stumbled on for the 

955
00:55:08,500 --> 00:55:11,600
Relationship of God, the father 
and God the son, you know, 

956
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,500
Christ, obviously, and his 
interaction with the world is 

957
00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:18,100
something that humans have 
stumbled on through technology. 

958
00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:21,100
And that's, that's the video 
game analogy that God. 

959
00:55:21,100 --> 00:55:24,600
The father is the person in 
control of the, I guess the 

960
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,100
character and Christ is the 
character in the video game and 

961
00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:32,300
we're sort of the NPC's. 
But that again, that's a bit a 

962
00:55:32,300 --> 00:55:33,900
bit silly. 
Obviously we're not NPC's. 

963
00:55:33,900 --> 00:55:36,100
We have Consciousness. 
We have thought we have, we have

964
00:55:36,100 --> 00:55:37,100
will. 
Yeah. 

965
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:41,500
But That said, you know, 
something that humans have sort 

966
00:55:41,500 --> 00:55:44,800
of stumbled on that, you know, 
God is the creator. 

967
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:49,800
He's, you know, in control of 
every atom, as we know through 

968
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:55,500
the cosmological proof for God. 
And that the Video Game World is

969
00:55:55,500 --> 00:55:59,100
this place where, you know, he 
or the in the simulation will 

970
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:03,100
displace where he interacts with
us and he's able to speak to us 

971
00:56:03,100 --> 00:56:05,200
through his son Christ, you 
know? 

972
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,100
So again that's clumsy and you 
could pick all kinds of holes in

973
00:56:08,100 --> 00:56:08,300
it. 
There. 

974
00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:11,200
There are issues with that but I
really like that analogy as it 

975
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:12,900
was brought up a few months ago 
in her book club. 

976
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:17,700
Yeah, you mentioned the notion 
of children, understanding and 

977
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:20,300
believing things. 
And I wrote that note as you 

978
00:56:20,300 --> 00:56:24,900
were saying that it was Alison 
gopnik from UC Berkeley, which 

979
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:28,200
is a very liberal institution 
and she herself is an atheist 

980
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,500
and she tries to promote 
atheism, but she had determined 

981
00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:35,200
in a study of young children. 
And I don't know what the sample

982
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,300
size was here. 
That children as young as five 

983
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:43,300
I've even children brought up an
atheist households invoke a 

984
00:56:43,300 --> 00:56:46,300
god-like designer in order to 
explain the world around them. 

985
00:56:46,700 --> 00:56:51,500
So it's naturally built into 
children to see a Creator in the

986
00:56:51,500 --> 00:56:55,400
world. 
It has to be I wouldn't say 

987
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,000
pulled out of them, but it has 
to be blocked or covered with, 

988
00:56:59,700 --> 00:57:04,000
you know, liberal sort of 
materialist inculcation in order

989
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,300
to stop that or stymie. 
That that that progression. 

990
00:57:08,700 --> 00:57:11,700
But, you know, you know, with 
regard to, and I'm jumping from 

991
00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:13,400
place to place too. 
And maybe just trying to comment

992
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,000
on what you said. 
I think you had some really 

993
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,600
interesting points when it comes
to technology. 

994
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,400
I think it's really fascinating 
and I am learning the Bible more

995
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,900
and more as I go along. 
So I'm by no means a Biblical 

996
00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:28,300
scholar but it's one of the most
fascinating Journeys. 

997
00:57:28,300 --> 00:57:32,300
I've been going on recently, but
it brings to mind that, you 

998
00:57:32,308 --> 00:57:36,800
know, the notion of the Unholy 
Trinity as some people call it 

999
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:41,800
and you know, from from 
Revelation you have sort of the 

1000
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,900
Counterpoint to the real Holy 
Trinity which would be I guess a

1001
00:57:45,900 --> 00:57:50,500
devil I suppose or Satan as you 
know, being that version of the 

1002
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:53,900
father then you have the you 
know obviously the two Take 

1003
00:57:53,900 --> 00:57:57,700
Christ figures in Revelation, 
which could be, I guess some 

1004
00:57:57,700 --> 00:58:01,200
bastardization of the Sun and 
some people have. 

1005
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,500
And this is reading a narrative 
into the Bible. 

1006
00:58:03,500 --> 00:58:05,700
This isn't necessarily provable,
but I thought it was kind of 

1007
00:58:05,707 --> 00:58:06,800
interesting. 
I heard this perspective 

1008
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,300
recently that the media is a 
version of the Unholy spirit. 

1009
00:58:10,300 --> 00:58:14,700
It's a way of producing 
information quickly that's false

1010
00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:20,100
and sort of controlling the 
minds of the world and I didn't 

1011
00:58:20,100 --> 00:58:22,900
take it lightly even though you 
know it's something I would want

1012
00:58:22,900 --> 00:58:25,400
to look into and And I don't 
know if it's completely 

1013
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,600
biblically sound, I didn't take 
it lightly because I thought 

1014
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,400
that's really fascinating when 
you think about it because the 

1015
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,600
name of the devil in Greek Viva 
Las. 

1016
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,600
The literal translation is to be
of two minds, right? 

1017
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,800
Via Volos. 
But the colloquial translation 

1018
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,800
of devil is the slanderer, 
right? 

1019
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,300
So, to take the truth in skew, 
it slightly and you have a lot 

1020
00:58:47,300 --> 00:58:49,700
of half. 
I think more than just direct 

1021
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:55,000
evil in the media. 
Yeah the internet or On TV more 

1022
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,800
than direct evil. 
You have a lot of half-truths, 

1023
00:58:57,900 --> 00:59:00,800
you have a lot of half-truths 
being presented where people are

1024
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,700
like, okay well that's true but 
that's not but I'll still roll 

1025
00:59:03,700 --> 00:59:07,400
with it to see where this goes 
in, you know, entertainment or 

1026
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,500
even in the news, right. 
I think that's really 

1027
00:59:09,500 --> 00:59:13,000
interesting that there's it's 
almost the media in very very 

1028
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:17,500
many ways has the same modus 
operandi as the devil. 

1029
00:59:17,500 --> 00:59:21,700
You know, just slightly 
misleading things that cause 

1030
00:59:21,700 --> 00:59:25,800
people to rescue their abs. 
Yeah, it was a bit of a word 

1031
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,700
salad. 
With all the different messages 

1032
00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:32,700
that are going out, causing a 
lot of confusion and Chaos. 

1033
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,400
People do listen to podcast. 
Now, not saying that they take 

1034
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,000
anything that I produce or other
people produce as ultimate 

1035
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:43,200
truth, but there's nothing wrong
with tossing, these ideas around

1036
00:59:43,300 --> 00:59:46,300
and sharpening up on different 
perspectives. 

1037
00:59:46,300 --> 00:59:48,500
Personally. 
I like to go to the Bible then 

1038
00:59:48,500 --> 00:59:52,200
and white God in and just say, 
Lord, give me the wisdom to know

1039
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,800
what I need to know for, for 
your purposes. 

1040
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:59,000
For me, calls me to be a Berean 
in this, Help me to not lose 

1041
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,900
that. 
Love for my household for my 

1042
01:00:00,900 --> 01:00:04,300
family, for my neighbors, help 
me to be the essence of the very

1043
01:00:04,300 --> 01:00:06,700
thing that I desired when I 
invited you in. 

1044
01:00:06,700 --> 01:00:11,400
And I repented in my heart and 
to kind of tie it back to the 

1045
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,800
beginning here, quick. 
When you're talking about what 

1046
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,800
happened to you over there, you 
know, outside of Wuhan in China,

1047
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,100
when you got attacked for all 
those listeners that may have 

1048
01:00:20,100 --> 01:00:24,000
experienced that, or know, 
someone close to them, who has 

1049
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:28,800
had a near-death experience, a 
lot of work, Lionel echo or 

1050
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,000
talking about is going to become
a natural interest. 

1051
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,900
If you're an experienced or to 
the extent of you've been shaken

1052
01:00:35,900 --> 01:00:40,300
and woken up out of the reality 
of consumerism and what my 

1053
01:00:40,300 --> 01:00:43,000
favorite sports team is, or my 
favorite shoes, or what? 

1054
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,500
My dream car is elected, that 
world comes crashing down at any

1055
01:00:46,500 --> 01:00:50,300
point in time through our 
temporary existence as strangers

1056
01:00:50,300 --> 01:00:54,900
that are passing through on this
Earth and there's some ups and 

1057
01:00:54,900 --> 01:00:58,100
some Downs, there's some highs 
and some lows, we We all know 

1058
01:00:58,100 --> 01:01:01,400
that each one of us has a story 
that at times can be beautiful, 

1059
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,200
ugly, good. 
If you've ever come to the point

1060
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,900
where you've almost lost 
everything, I'm talking about, 

1061
01:01:06,900 --> 01:01:10,100
literally you're about to 
separate from your physical body

1062
01:01:10,100 --> 01:01:13,900
and enter into this unknown 
world that every religion and 

1063
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:17,500
culture is philosophized about 
since the beginning of time as 

1064
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:21,900
ground shattering to the point 
where If you're not interested 

1065
01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:24,900
in who God really is what's 
really going on around you. 

1066
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:26,700
You didn't really have the 
experience. 

1067
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:31,400
I know that's a bold claim but 
If it all comes crashing down, 

1068
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,600
man, and you survived your going
to want to know what happened. 

1069
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,500
If you didn't, you know her, why
did it come crashing down? 

1070
01:01:38,500 --> 01:01:43,100
So it for me, aleko talking with
you and diving into these topics

1071
01:01:43,100 --> 01:01:47,100
is literally what helps what 
helps me be able to sleep at 

1072
01:01:47,100 --> 01:01:48,300
night. 
You know, I have so many 

1073
01:01:48,300 --> 01:01:51,100
questions and thoughts and I 
love reading the Bible and I'm a

1074
01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:53,900
Watchman on the wall in my own 
opinion, looking at the world 

1075
01:01:53,900 --> 01:01:56,800
around me and just talking with 
God and saying, Lord, protect me

1076
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,900
from this Lord, what do I need 
to know about that? 

1077
01:01:58,900 --> 01:02:02,300
Not Insinuating that I always 
get the right response from him 

1078
01:02:02,300 --> 01:02:05,500
because I still Sheriff Russell 
was saying, no, I won't sit here

1079
01:02:05,500 --> 01:02:08,500
and say that, you know, I have 
no sin, I see it as being 

1080
01:02:08,500 --> 01:02:11,300
critical to encourage the 
listeners. 

1081
01:02:11,300 --> 01:02:14,900
The body of Christ out there, 
don't be afraid of The Fringe 

1082
01:02:14,900 --> 01:02:16,900
topics, the Bible's not going to
disappear. 

1083
01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:19,500
If we ask weird questions about 
it, we're not going to get 

1084
01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:23,600
scolded by God. 
If we talk about science or the 

1085
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,500
world around us, whether it be 
megalithic structures or 

1086
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,600
energies. 
Frequencies be careful of new 

1087
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,200
ageism you guys. 
Guys, stay steer clear of 

1088
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,900
anything like the Bible says, 
test all Spirits, right? 

1089
01:02:34,900 --> 01:02:37,900
If they confessed Christ is who 
he says, he is. 

1090
01:02:37,900 --> 01:02:41,300
If the Messiah the Lamb of God 
Has Come In the Flesh, and he 

1091
01:02:41,300 --> 01:02:43,500
has risen again, that is from 
God. 

1092
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,500
Now, we all are in a state of 
coming to Perfection. 

1093
01:02:47,500 --> 01:02:50,400
If we believe in Christ, he's 
working this out in us. 

1094
01:02:50,900 --> 01:02:52,500
Let go. 
I've listened to just enough 

1095
01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:54,800
your episodes. 
Since discovering you that I 

1096
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,500
know you're going to continue to
help me in an area that I don't 

1097
01:02:58,500 --> 01:03:00,300
know where to go. 
Some of Information. 

1098
01:03:00,500 --> 01:03:03,100
There's so many signals out 
there that sometimes you just 

1099
01:03:03,100 --> 01:03:05,100
know deep down in. 
This is somebody. 

1100
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,500
I feel a level of comfort 
listening to allowing to 

1101
01:03:08,500 --> 01:03:10,400
challenge the way that I think 
about it. 

1102
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:14,200
As long as my response is to 
always dig back into the word 

1103
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,800
and to pray in our secret place.
About a lot of these topics that

1104
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,400
come up. 
So I hope to have you back for 

1105
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,200
part two. 
I feel like so many more 

1106
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,400
questions, but I know we both 
got the day ahead of us. 

1107
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,400
We're celebrating July 4th 
today. 

1108
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:31,100
Oh yeah, yeah, fill in anything 
that He feels necessary as we 

1109
01:03:31,100 --> 01:03:33,300
kind of wind down here and then 
share with the audience where 

1110
01:03:33,300 --> 01:03:36,200
they can find you books, your 
content websites. 

1111
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,900
Definitely. 
Yeah, well, I mean, it's comment

1112
01:03:39,900 --> 01:03:42,500
on some of the things that you 
said I think you brought up some

1113
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:47,100
some really great points and and
I think that as you mentioned 

1114
01:03:47,100 --> 01:03:50,100
you seeking Christ. 
Prayerfully is the most 

1115
01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:54,100
important thing. 
I think Missler, even once said 

1116
01:03:54,700 --> 01:04:01,900
if If a momentary exposure to 
this, this material doesn't lead

1117
01:04:01,900 --> 01:04:04,100
you into an obsession. 
Then I would argue that you're 

1118
01:04:04,100 --> 01:04:06,500
not paying attention or you 
didn't have the experience, 

1119
01:04:06,500 --> 01:04:09,700
right? 
So it just kind of walks 

1120
01:04:09,700 --> 01:04:11,900
hand-in-hand with what you said 
and I think he also, you know, 

1121
01:04:11,900 --> 01:04:14,500
he suggested, you know, people 
keep a journal of things that 

1122
01:04:14,500 --> 01:04:17,200
confuse them. 
So if you know something you 

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01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,100
come across something that's 
just really esoteric. 

1124
01:04:20,100 --> 01:04:25,200
But you know what happened and 
you're perplexed by it, write it

1125
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:30,800
down and pray about And in some 
way some, you know, some crazy 

1126
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,900
happening, you know, be it, you 
know, friend that comes and 

1127
01:04:33,900 --> 01:04:36,900
talks to you or something you 
hear on the radio. 

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01:04:36,900 --> 01:04:40,100
When you're switching channels, 
God will answer the prayer. 

1129
01:04:40,100 --> 01:04:44,100
If you have a question, you 
won't always give you the answer

1130
01:04:44,100 --> 01:04:46,800
you want, but he will tell you 
what you need to know. 

1131
01:04:47,700 --> 01:04:53,300
So I think that to yeah people 
want to come and and listen it 

1132
01:04:53,300 --> 01:04:55,900
is, it's the intelligent design 
Collective pain. 

1133
01:04:56,100 --> 01:04:57,500
Cast. 
We're trying to switch over to 

1134
01:04:57,500 --> 01:05:02,300
IDC because it's a big mouthful.
IDC podcast. 

1135
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,100
You can. 
Yeah, you can you can find us at

1136
01:05:06,700 --> 01:05:10,100
that podcast. 
I also have a book on Google 

1137
01:05:10,100 --> 01:05:15,400
play, audiobooks and on Audible.
It's the pillars of intelligent 

1138
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,900
design. 
To be honest with you, I just 

1139
01:05:17,900 --> 01:05:21,600
haven't had the time to promote 
it yet, but you know, a lot of 

1140
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:25,300
people have listened to it for 
free on episode 137 of our 

1141
01:05:25,300 --> 01:05:27,000
podcasts. 
You can just go there and listen

1142
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:32,100
to it for free, but yeah, we'd 
be happy to have more people to 

1143
01:05:32,100 --> 01:05:35,200
join our book club as well, 
which is about a third of our 

1144
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:39,400
podcast. 
So we, yeah, we spend about 90 

1145
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,200
minutes, it used to be every 
week but now we're going to be 

1146
01:05:42,207 --> 01:05:44,800
doing it every other week and we
just get together and we talk 

1147
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,400
about a couple of chapters. 
So we've covered a lot of books.

1148
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,100
So far, we started with Michael 
as heiser's the Unseen realm. 

1149
01:05:51,100 --> 01:05:53,300
You brought up eyes earlier. 
I thought was pretty interesting

1150
01:05:54,100 --> 01:05:56,200
and we done done quite a few. 
You. 

1151
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,000
But we normally, you know, a lot
of book clubs the format, is you

1152
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,500
read the book and then you come,
give your, your thoughts on it. 

1153
01:06:01,500 --> 01:06:05,100
But, you know, myself being a 
teacher, I knew people would 

1154
01:06:05,100 --> 01:06:07,600
skip chapters. 
So I thought, okay, we'll just 

1155
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,300
go, we'll go chapter by chapter 
that way. 

1156
01:06:10,300 --> 01:06:15,300
It's also, you know, you don't 
feel overwhelmed by it and just 

1157
01:06:15,300 --> 01:06:18,100
come and give your thoughts. 
But yeah, we done Heiser. 

1158
01:06:18,100 --> 01:06:22,300
We've done five proofs of the 
existence of God by Edward 

1159
01:06:22,300 --> 01:06:24,600
phaser. 
We've done Craig as keener's 

1160
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:29,000
Miracles, which Which was a 
paradigm shifting book. 

1161
01:06:29,300 --> 01:06:33,300
For one of our members, we have 
this gentleman who's in our club

1162
01:06:33,700 --> 01:06:36,400
who was a mountie. 
So he was a former police 

1163
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:41,200
officer from Canada and he was a
good guy, but he was mildly 

1164
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,500
skeptical when he started the 
book club, but he stuck with it 

1165
01:06:43,500 --> 01:06:47,400
and when we read Miracles and so
real quick story, I'm getting 

1166
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,500
chills as I'm sharing it. 
But he adopted a baby in 

1167
01:06:50,500 --> 01:06:53,900
Vietnam. 
And evidently I didn't know they

1168
01:06:53,900 --> 01:06:56,800
say if you leave a baby lying in
one position Position for too 

1169
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:58,700
long. 
The head can become misshapen 

1170
01:06:59,300 --> 01:07:02,300
because they has a very soft 
skull so you have to turn the 

1171
01:07:02,300 --> 01:07:04,700
baby from time to time just to 
make sure that doesn't happen. 

1172
01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:08,300
So when they receive the baby 
that they adopted the head was 

1173
01:07:08,300 --> 01:07:13,400
severely misshapen because of it
was left in the crib for for too

1174
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:17,700
long and evidently it takes eat 
like it could take up to a year,

1175
01:07:17,700 --> 01:07:21,600
maybe even longer with some type
of brace that's very painful for

1176
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:25,000
the child to correct the head to
make it symmetrical, right? 

1177
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,600
In the middle of reading craic 
as keener's Miracles, what they 

1178
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,600
did was they took before and 
after pictures, the before 

1179
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:36,900
picture was taken and then they 
laid their hands on the baby and

1180
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,900
prayed over it and the name of 
Christ and they woke up the next

1181
01:07:41,900 --> 01:07:43,800
morning. 
The baby's head was symmetrical 

1182
01:07:44,300 --> 01:07:48,900
and ever since then, he's been 
obsessed, you know. 

1183
01:07:48,900 --> 01:07:50,600
So he's been absolutely 
obsessed. 

1184
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:55,100
He's all all hands on deck and 
I'm getting chills just as I 

1185
01:07:55,107 --> 01:07:57,900
share this with you because 
Because, yeah, it's for real. 

1186
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:01,500
The whole thing, the whole 
business is, you know, we can, 

1187
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,400
we can ask elasticized it and 
turn into a cerebral Pursuit, 

1188
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:12,300
but nothing is more important 
than The Knowing Christ bro, 

1189
01:08:12,300 --> 01:08:15,300
that's my greatest. 
Hope is that people listen to 

1190
01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:17,300
the podcast. 
They read the Bible, they start 

1191
01:08:17,300 --> 01:08:20,300
to believe, take it serious, or 
ask questions and find 

1192
01:08:20,300 --> 01:08:23,600
themselves in a unique scenario 
where God becomes real to them. 

1193
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:28,600
So hearing that man from you 
brother that's like that might 

1194
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,399
be the whole reason we did this 
show today. 

1195
01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:33,399
Somebody hears and that keeps 
the whole thing going to Beauty 

1196
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:35,800
unfolding. 
So pleasure idea talking about 

1197
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,800
Christ and meeting someone who 
shares the love news. 

1198
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,399
It was very edifying for me, so 
I was glad to be here. 

1199
01:08:41,700 --> 01:08:45,000
Well, that's it, that's the show
everybody, if you found this 

1200
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,300
episode to be helpful and 
encouraging, you learn something

1201
01:08:48,300 --> 01:08:52,600
new, it challenged you to think 
deeper about the world around 

1202
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:57,300
you the days that we live in or 
Ancient Bible book that I hold 

1203
01:08:57,300 --> 01:09:01,100
so dear to my heart, I ask you 
to share this episode with a 

1204
01:09:01,108 --> 01:09:04,700
friend, a family member, A 
co-worker coming to you from 

1205
01:09:04,700 --> 01:09:08,100
Southeastern Pennsylvania. 
God Bless America. 

1206
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:23,100
Listen what I'm saying Guys. 
These topics right here, they're

1207
01:09:23,100 --> 01:09:26,200
covering the chasm of lost 
information and giving us an 

1208
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:30,200
ability to connect some dots. 
As we take this ride together 

1209
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,399
and just interview different 
people from different 

1210
01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:35,100
backgrounds, and gather 
information. 

1211
01:09:35,100 --> 01:09:38,300
I'm not asking you guys to 
believe everything that you hear

1212
01:09:38,700 --> 01:09:41,200
on these episodes. 
I literally the information is 

1213
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:43,700
there for you guys, to choose 
what you decide to do with it. 

1214
01:09:44,100 --> 01:09:47,600
For me personally, I don't 
believe every single thing I 

1215
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:48,200
hear. 
Hi. 

1216
01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:54,000
Like to pray about it to study 
looking into these topics and 

1217
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,300
really like let that time and 
the process happened for these 

1218
01:09:57,300 --> 01:10:00,500
things to kind of like resonate 
and settle with me, because I 

1219
01:10:00,500 --> 01:10:06,000
don't like to be just easily led
into, you know, some radical 

1220
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:07,800
belief really. 
I mean, at the end of the day, I

1221
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:13,600
do have to gauge and evaluate 
and check the way that I process

1222
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,900
my information to make sure it's
healthy and in accordance with, 

1223
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,000
you know, of the Orion. 
Mentality. 

1224
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,900
Because I believe, personally, 
for myself and the Watchman on 

1225
01:10:21,900 --> 01:10:24,600
the wall. 
I have a Berean mentality, which

1226
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:30,500
means I like to study daily with
the Readiness of mind, and find 

1227
01:10:30,500 --> 01:10:34,500
within the word of God. 
What what's tolerable or not? 

1228
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,600
Testing all things and and being
ready in season and out of 

1229
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,900
season flying under the radar of
the information that literally 

1230
01:10:40,900 --> 01:10:43,000
is in the background. 
The most people came here 

1231
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,800
because there's so many other 
signals and messages that are 

1232
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:50,400
just so much louder and it is So
important that we have a 

1233
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,500
plethora of information to 
spread out. 

1234
01:10:52,500 --> 01:10:55,100
So that's the idea of the show. 
Like I said, you listen this 

1235
01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:55,900
far. 
You're awesome. 

1236
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,700
You're the reason you guys are 
the reason. 

1237
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,100
Let's keep this thing going.