That's tough. We're in a very tough spot.
I think that what we're doing right now is a great benefit and
virtue because it's an end around between this whole
corrupt informational system, media system.
We claim to believe in a God who spoke the universe into
existence and literally raised himself from the dead, and yet
we are not going to believe that anything else exists in the
spirit realm, even though His word tells us that they do.
Their bodies weren't permitted to go to sleep like humans do,
and they weren't permitted to go to heaven, so they wander the
earth. You know, I've seen the.
Eyes turn black to unknown tongues being spoken.
These giants would live way up in the highland.
The young Braves, the young men would hide up in the trees and
wait for one of these 12 footers to come walking down the bath
and they would jump on them and kill them, drag them back to the
village, and the village would feast on the body Marina.
Then people start to get weapons, they start to get
armor, they start to build cities, they start to fortify
their cities. Now God looks down and there's
violence everywhere. The battle, this war that we are
at, is not against each other, it's against these
principalities and these rulers and these archons in the high
places. It's really worthwhile to read
the Bible. Yourself.
Fear is one of the primary drivers of mind control because
we have to take every thought captive and resist fear.
You're going to have a testimony that is a justice case against
the Kingdom of darkness. Anybody in the church that
doesn't take a position on Genesis 6, they're missing.
That's, I mean, we, that's why we do this podcast, right?
You know, it's, it's a foundational thing that opens
your eyes to the Bible. The reality of what took place
in Noah's time and what's taking place now, It has been hidden to
a lot of people, many generations and even even
present day. Satanic information technology.
So that's the software for the the nano stuff, right.
So when people are having these issues, when we look at patents
right now, Yep, we can read patents right now and that
material that they put in people, the software program can
be targeted completely different for me or you than 100 other
people in the room that aren't a threat.
So like the world's not up to par with looking at things that
multi layered and that much of an attack against the flock,
especially those people who are Ephesian style exposing the
enemy. So people think you're crazy
sometimes and it's singled out. But my thing is, if you're
leaving out other believers, like if, if we don't have a wide
enough scope that it fits in everybody, like LA says, if one
person's right, it busts the paradigm.
So we have to actually have a Berean mentality to study in the
Word of God with a readiness of mind that if we can find in the
Word, not just answers in Genesis, but anywhere in the
Word, that would compartmentalize and justify in
the truth to an experience or something that's happening.
Modern daytime Bereans would accept it with a readiness of
mind because it could be found in the Word.
So that's just a Berean that has no religious affiliation.
No, it's just this is the Word of God.
I can find it. I can see it here.
I trust the Word of God now. We agree with these quotes,
therefore we need to understand Genesis 6 one through 4.
For example, he says we can't give up on the foundation of the
Bible as truth when we try to argue apologetics.
People don't understand these topics because pastors are not
teaching it. The attack is on the Word of God
right from the serpent in the garden.
Did God really say He says there's no neutral position.
If you're not gathering, you're scattering.
Churches are teaching all kinds of you on Genesis One through
11, and that's not good. I'm agreeing and saying take it.
Take what you were saying and apply it to Genesis 6 to
understand how important it is to fight for every word of God.
Every single jot and title that is recorded is important.
It's there for a purpose and it has meaning.
And we don't get to be neutral that we have to take a position
on it because anything that we're neutral on or anything
that is an error, the enemy can exploit down the road.
Hey, Rod, what's up, man? What's going on, Pete, Luke.
Luke can see you guys. Hey, guys.
I gathered you all here today. So listen, I brought a rod in
with Luke and I today because we had a fantastic interview with
Brian Osborne from Answers and Genesis, and it was a lot of
fun. It we talked about some really
important topics and Brian's a great guy.
And we we talked about the importance of the Bible of
Genesis, of apologetics, about understanding that there are
reasons for our faith that it's not just a blind faith, but we
have good answers for things that the world has questions
about. And one of the things I'll
mention this to one of the things that while the main thing
really that compelled me to reach out to them and try to get
Ken Ham the the the president or CEO, if you will, of answers in
Genesis on our show. And we ended up getting Brian
was a talk that Ken did that I saw I thought was so important.
And it was talking about how our young people are leaving the
church in droves. And it has a lot to do with us
being kind of in a post Christian, post biblical culture
where it's almost like Acts 2 versus Acts 17 and Acts 2, it
was Peter speaking to the Jewish people and they really just
needed to accept the Messiah. But they basically had an
understanding of, of God and their history, right?
Their Old Testament history. And so it wasn't a big jump to
get them to the Messiah. So they already had that, that
culture of understanding. And in Acts 17, it was more the
Greek culture of God, which God, you know, or like Pilate said,
right, truth, What is truth? And so we've said this, Luke and
I on our show often that we need to have better answers for these
things in the Bible that people love to throw at us and say,
what an awful God to send the flood to command the killing of
all these people in the Old Testament.
And they see the Old Testament God as a very different God than
the God of the New Testament. And I submit we are not
understanding the depth of the perversion and corruptness and
violence of the Old Testament, why these drastic measures were
necessary. So that's kind of a long winded
intro to say understanding the Bible properly is important.
And a lot of the notes that I'm going to go off of today with
Rod and Luke came from preparing to talk to Brian, Brian Osborne
from Answers in Genesis. So this is not a beat up on, on
Brian or Ken or any of that, but it kind of spurred something in
us as Luke and I kind of set out to do this podcast journey with
a, I'll call it a Genesis 6 worldview.
To borrow Mike Kyser's The Deuteronomy 32 worldview phrase
that if we understand who the sons of God are in Genesis 6, as
Steve Quayle has said, it is a Rosetta Stone for understanding
the biblical narrative as a whole.
Well, just a comment. I mean, you know, honor and love
is obviously the goal with the body and these pockets that need
that that have a need to be met, right?
Where we have Berean mentalities, we're finding stuff
in the word and and as time goes on, you know, studying the Bible
in its ancient cultural context is actually so important that it
lines these things up and makes it undisputable, right?
So there's like the the Greek mind mindset, right?
And then there's this ancient mindset.
So I think just as a believer, somebody who doesn't like
beating up on bad opinions, let's say a Sethite view, I
still work with people who have a Sethite view because my main
goal is salvation and having better answers and serving the
King of Kings, right? Like literally taking a position
where it's like, if it's non salvational, it's still
important because the ripple effect has been demonstrated
from people all around the world on this little mustard seed show
over here, right? We got people that are coming
out and saying this was helpful. Why have I been alone on this
information? So we know God is working in a
mysterious way where he's bringing stuff together.
And just a comment real quick on the fact that we have a whole
can of worms in the reality check and humility of God saying
things like seal up these words to Daniel, you know, and then
all of these things happening at the end of the age.
So it would be really, in my opinion, disingenuous for me not
to have an open mind and to listen to anecdotal evidence and
also be honest with my own experience that I believe
there's so much more going on in the word of God than what the
church that that I had visited recently would like, like to
believe. And I think we're really
forefront runners in that way. And it's not easy being a
pioneer. So balancing it with like the
Berean mentality, personal experience, respecting and
honoring the Word of God, and then realizing you're pioneering
somewhere where many people are not ready to go.
And we mix all that together. And here we are with smiles and
with prayer and with the right posturing heart, in my opinion.
So thank you for inviting me, Pete, and it's always good to be
with you and your brother Luke. Yeah, good to have you.
Yeah. So you know, any of our
listeners who have been with us from the beginning or have gone
back to the old episodes, you know, this is where we we
started who are the sons of God in in Genesis chapter 6.
And it's very hotly debated the the commonly held view and the
most taught view in seminaries and then by extension most
churches is, as Rods mentioned, the Sethite view that these sons
of God were not angelic, heavenly divine beings, but just
humans. Now, we're not going to spend
this episode talking about all the reasons why we think that's
incorrect, although we'll mention a few.
But go back and listen to our first two episodes and also
episode 35 with Doug Van Dorn, where Doug lays out how the Jews
had an understanding of these two powers in heaven.
And the late Michael Heizer would often talk about this,
that they looked at the verses in the Old Testament and they
saw these two Co equal divine figures.
And they're like, huh, OK, well, they seem to be on equal
footing. All right, I can accept that.
That's what the word of God says.
And yet when the Messiah came and they rejected the Messiah
because they were looking for the conquering king, and instead
they got the suffering servant and they missed him.
Well, they couldn't have a divine figure taking human flesh
because that that would give credence to the Messiah that
that's how he came. And so they looked back at
Genesis 6 and they're like, Oh no, we can't have angels taking
human form and having relations with human women.
So it became punishable by excommunication.
It was heresy, even unto death in some cases, for people to
hold the angelic, supernatural view of Genesis 6.
So let's go ahead and read that just to bring some of our
listeners up to speed. We've referenced it a lot so,
but I don't want to skip over it.
So Genesis 6 And it came to pass, when men began to be
numerous upon the earth, and daughters were born to them,
that the sons of God, having seen the daughters of men were
beautiful, took to themselves wives of all whom they chose.
And the Lord God said, My Spirit shall certainly not remain among
these men forever, because they are flesh, but their days shall
be 120 years. Now the giants were upon the
earth in those days and after that when the sons of God were
want to go into the daughters of men, and they bore children to
them, those were the giants of old, the men of renown.
Now a lot of your Bible versions will not say giants, they'll say
Nephilim. That's actually taken from the
Masoretic text. The Masoretic is the Hebrew Old
Testament, which actually was not compiled until at the end of
the 1st century and not completed until about the 9th or
10th century. All of the references of the Old
Testament that we have in the New Testament, in the Gospel and
other places, from Paul, from Jesus, they were quoting from
the Septuagint, the Greek translation.
And it's my opinion that there is a Masoretic text compromise
in light again of rejecting the Messiah.
So we have literally the word giants.
So there isn't any confusion over who the Nephilim are.
And let's be clear, you can't get giants from 2 humans.
We're not talking about someone with giantism who dies at 30
years old, right? Who's like 7 foot 10 and spindly
legs right? These were men of renown.
I mean you can look up the weight of Goliath who is a small
giant by comparison. Look at the weight of his armor
alone. This was not a six foot four
guy. There's no 6 foot four guys who
are running around in 200 lbs of battle gear.
So why is this so important? Like why did I want to do a show
about this? Every word of God matters and if
Satan can get a hold of something that we don't
understand or where we are in error about, he can exploit it.
It might be hundreds of years later, and here we are in 2024,
and most of modern Christianity in the West thinks that the sons
of God in Genesis 6 are either divine kings like human kings,
or from the line of Seth. And it matters.
It matters to how we defend the faith.
So man, I couldn't agree more. And when I had this question
asked to me and I actually shared it on an interview that
should be coming out in the month of May on another show,
right? But they said, why is the Divine
Council worldview important for you, right?
And I had to go back to this thing that happened in, I don't
know, maybe it was 2014, 2015, where I'm a new Christian at the
time. I, I'm totally focused on
growing and knowing who Jesus is going to church, going to Bible
studies. But I was preaching the gospel
to an old friend in Phoenixville, PA.
And he stops and looks at me and says, I grew up in the church.
And if you can tell me why God was saying to murder women and
children in the Old Testament and that he loves me and he's
calling me to repentance today. If you can give me a good reason
for that, why God doesn't seem bipolar, I can possibly wrestle
with religion again, like, And it shut me down because as a
young and new believer, I had no argument for that.
I knew the stories in the Old Testament.
And at around that time is when I'm just getting familiar with
Canary Cry Radio, LA Marzulli, some of these people who went
before us, right? But I didn't have a personal
response for that because I didn't understand the threads
like the seed war in the Bible. What seed are we talking about
here? How many rebellions are there in
the Bible? Now?
The reason I'm bringing this up is because I have a personal
motivation to have better answers as well.
I'm not just going to nod my head with what any and every
denomination out there decides that they're willing to go into.
I think there's a higher standard than that.
Every yacht and every title will not fade away.
It will all come into perfect order.
Even this space within the spaces is calculated and
measured according to the eternal God of all creation.
And when he has a thread that's in the Bible where we have a
seed war, what's in the hosh? I mean, if we really want to be
Bereans and and understand the the cultural context of the day
that the Bible was written, the culture that it was written to
and how it is to inculcate every generation because it's eternal.
The the word of God is settled in heaven eternally.
He changes not, so we have to have better answers.
When I started to understand and see the rebellions throughout
the word of God. When I started to see that
literally tameem is what Noah is mentioned as.
He was found righteous, perfect without blemish.
The Hebrew word is tameem. It's the same word used to
describe the sacrifice of a lamb that was perfect and without
blemish. We're talking genetics here.
We're not talking some moral compass, right?
So when I started to see that stuff come together from the
great minds like Doctor Michael Heizer, you know, LA Marzulli,
all these other people that were going before us and actually
setting the stage and just going, I'm not going to protect
you from your Bible anymore. I was able to wrestle through
it, prey on it, read it, and then give better answers.
That same friend literally called me today, 4/18/2024 and
it's a whole different conversation Now When I say that
humbly, I don't say that with any pride.
I say that because I did not know what to do back in 2014,
2015 when I got hit with that question.
But I prayed and God said to me, hold on, keep me.
Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness, and he
shall add on to you. So we need better answers for
what's going on today. There's a million messages
causing confusion and chaos. Come on.
That's a broken record note on my show on the Mustard Seed.
But at the end of the day, this stuff is in the word and we have
to rightfully divide it and we have to rightfully be able to go
in there and give these these better answers.
So I would just say we need to spend, you know, the time equal
and humility that we do in research while we're doing this
stuff. And I would say just from
getting to know Pete and Luke, you guys are an example of that.
Like we really care about what we're talking about here.
This is not for controversy or argument's sake.
We're we're trying to get down to the nitty and gritty, if I
could say it that way. We're I'm just going to throw
out, you know, some bullet points and some notes and you
guys feel free to jump in with your thoughts.
So that's not just me kind of going on a rant the whole time,
but I'll just start here. You know.
Jude 1/3 It was needful for me to write unto you and exhort you
that ye should earnestly contend for the faith that was once
delivered unto the Saints. And so that's what we're going
to try to do with the time that we have tonight is just
earnestly contend for the faith. So one of the things that I had
written in my notes as I was kind of contemplating these
ideas, you know, there's a lot of mysteries in God's Word, but
they're not. Most of them, if not all of
them, are not mysteries because we don't have enough information
to discern what is being said or because he deliberately withheld
essential clues. But because they take greater
diligence to understand, they take more work, they take more
information, they harmonize with the whole council of scripture
instead of creating contradictions.
You know, Chuck Missler, who Rod looks up to quite a bit, and I'm
getting into his Revelation studies right now on YouTube,
which is fantastic by the way, says to avoid one verse proof
texting. Don't just take a verse and try
to understand something. Use the whole council of
scripture and don't just appeal to mystery and say ah we just
can't understand the ways of God or try to explain the hard parts
away. God meant for us to understand
His Word. If you don't mind, I'll just
read one of these quotes from Missler real quick.
A perspective should be. The perspective should be
consistent with the whole council of Scripture.
And then Heiser paraphrases. He says we need to get serious
about interpreting the Bible in the context of the original
audience at the time it was written.
There was only one correct interpretation for the intent of
the author, the author of the audience at that time it was
written. And so the ancients knew all
this stuff that's been hidden from us.
So the language is being used there.
It's, it's, it's hard to get people today to really
understand that they, they were aware of what Pantheon's where
they knew there was lowercase G gods all over the place.
They knew there were spiritual covenants and threshing floors
and agreements and all this stuff.
And we're kind of just discovering this now.
We were talking about this before we started recording.
You know exactly that. I mean, the, the early church,
the disciples, the Israelis of that day, they understood.
The Book of Enoch, they understood what what that meant.
And then you're right, Pete, it, it was twisted to fit a
religion. And you know, people were
persecuted if you believe something different.
But here we are in the last 100 years, I would say really the
last decade or two, it's really exploded where you, you, you
start hearing Genesis 6 and the seed war.
You're starting to see it more and more and more.
And that's, you know, awesome. Because I mean, we started this
podcast because we're trying to understand Genesis and tie it
into what Jesus was saying as it was in the days of Noah.
It's going to be like that when I return.
So if he's coming during our generation, if we're part of the
last day church, what was it like during Genesis Six time?
So it is important to understand the scripture and what that
context truly meant. And Luke referenced the seed
war. And if you guys have heard us
mention that and when this episode airs, you'll have
already listeners, you'll have already heard our interview with
with LA Marzulli. And he says that it was so
pivotal for him when he heard Gary Stearman of Sky Watch TV
layout how foundational Genesis 315 is.
So Luke and I, and here we are with Rod talking about the
importance of Genesis 6. Take it back a few chapters.
Genesis 3 is where it starts. So you have the serpent
beguiling the woman and Adam and Eve's sin and the curse that God
puts on the serpent. And then we have this
pronouncement of of judgment. Genesis 315 I will put enmity
between you and the woman. He's got his speaking to the
serpent here, Satan, and between your offspring and hers.
He will crush your head and you will strike his heel.
And so this seed war is, and again, if you look up the, the,
the word for seed or offspring in this context, this isn't like
in the New Testament where you know, you were of your father
the devil, right? That was, that was a metaphor
when it was saying you're of the type of that you're, you know,
you're not following God in this verse.
It literally means like seed as in offspring, like genetic
offspring. So this is the seed war set in
motion. And Genesis 6 was Satan's
attempt to mess with God's human image bearers on earth and try
to corrupt that seed in a way God showed his hand a little bit
in Genesis 315. He says, hey, I'm going to have
this against you. Yeah, he was, but he's playing
4D chess. 5D chess. Well, however you want to
describe it and you know he, he still caught the devil off
guard. I mean, even though the devil
was messing with genetics, which you know, end result, Noah's
flood messing with genetics or judgment wise, you know, all
these babies are being killed in Egypt, the time of Moses, time
of Jesus, you know, you had two years old, Herod was killing
babies 2 years old and younger, you know, so the devil knew
there was something going on with the seed, with offspring,
with genetics and he was trying his best with the clues he was
given. You know, even blatantly God
said try to beat me with this but he can't, you know?
And it just reminds me like Stephen was stoned to death,
right, because he gave such a beautiful overview of what the
Spirit put on his heart to the teachers themselves.
So we have to remember that the Ruach, the Holy Spirit leads us
into all truth. He's our teacher.
It's it perplexes me. You know, even the idea of you
brought up Jude 1/3, right? We are compelled to write and to
urge to contend for the faith that was once entrusted to all
the God's holy people. Holy is separate and set apart,
right? It means you're set apart now,
holy. What does God say in his word?
He has set Jacob apart for himself.
The other nations were given to other gods.
What were the other gods involved in pantheonistic views?
It's written on rocks. It's, I mean, you can't get
around it. You'd have to have your head in
the sand to not see it, pun intended.
Especially if you're in Egypt or the Middle East.
I mean, the stuff is all over the place there.
So God, he sets his people apart, makes them holy.
They're separate, sacred, apart from everything else.
And he says I am their God, the one and only, right?
Even the Jews say the Lord our God is one, right?
So we're contending for the faith in the sense that these
lowercase G gods are real according to the Word of God and
the Nephilim offsprings are recorded in the eternal Word of
God and the evidence for them is there.
Just like if you're, how could you not see the physical
evidence? You look at geology.
We we we study geology to support the Bible.
Well, what if we looked at the hieroglyphics?
If we look at the megalithic structures that have been
established all over the world? Pete, we did the weird Wisconsin
episode. We got dirt man, dirt effigies,
all kinds of stuff coming out of Wisconsin here in the States.
And that's not even ancient territory that we have great
record of information because a lot of it is passed down oral
tradition from the American Indians here in the States,
right? So when we look at locations
that are undisputable, we go to Petra, we go to, I mean, the
list goes on and on. But the idea here is if we use
the same template to study archaeology or geology and say
this has to be true because XY and Z lines up, I don't know how
we couldn't read the Bible like a Berean, see the evidence for
these seed wars, see the threads that go through all these
rebellions and actually zoom out now to the macrocosm and look at
the temples, the what's etched in rock about these battles, in
these wars. And I think that's where we
really need to push that perspective too, because it gets
people out of the theological, I'm inside the wall, the
building in the seminary preference right now.
It starts to take you. And like LA says, I'm not an
armchair researcher. This is what LA Mazzoli says.
He's like, my, my boots are on the ground.
I'm going to these locations. Well, dude, I counsel in person
and and over the phone people who are satanic ritual abuse
survivors. I've been doing, you know,
behind the scenes delving into this stuff for years, telling
people pray, break these chains, bind it in the heavens.
There's power in the name of Yeshua, right?
So I see the evidence just in the spirit realm that that's my
template. And then when I look at the word
of God, all of this stuff fits together.
And I feel like I went on a bit of a rant there, but I really
just jumped in my spirit. Like, you know what, We have
evidence in other places where people can use these methods to,
to say this is undisputable. It's true.
But then it's interesting why they can't do that with the very
thing they say they represent. I'm I think it takes some
humility, right? Like they're doing something
right, we're doing something right, they're doing something
wrong, we're doing something wrong.
We all have a little something right and a little something
wrong. Yeah.
And it, you know, one of the things I had in my notes is, you
know, put the Bible aside for just a second.
Like Rod said, if we didn't have all of this geological,
historical, archaeological evidence, finding these giant
skeletons, having all of these accounts all over the world of
people seeing these beings. Josephus writing about it in the
museum in his day, you know, one of the most revered historians
of the Jewish time Second Temple.
You know, we have all that evidence.
If we didn't have any of that stuff, then maybe maybe we could
say, oh, shoot, hey, Rod Luke, maybe, maybe I'm messing up on
what the sons of God mean in the Bible.
Maybe, but I I submit to the you that the only exegetically that
means taking out of the Scripture, not isageting putting
into the Scripture your own your own presuppositions.
The only exegetically sound way of interpreting the sons of God
is angelic beings. The Banay Elohim Job is the
oldest book in the Bible in the law of first mention as a
hermeneutic is it sets the stage for how that word or phrase is
used later in Scripture. And Banay Elohim means a means a
direct creation of God when the lineage of humanity is
presented, the only one that's called a son of God is Adam
because he was a direct creation.
Other than that, it is a divinely created being, the sons
of God. OK.
But yes, we have all of this outside of the Bible evidence
too. So really, like Luke was saying,
you know, it's for a religion. We're trying to protect a
worldview. And unfortunately, I mean, guys,
I could do a whole show on the damage that I think Augustine or
Augustine, however you pronounce it as done to Christianity when
it comes to what is now Calvinism, when it comes to the
Sethite view, interpreting Genesis 6 naturalistically.
He was so influential in his day and to this day in modern
Christianity. That's why we have those views.
And it is so damaging to the word of God and to the character
of God and it it's so, so unfortunate.
Anyway, let me get back on track here.
Mike Kaiser says that Genesis 6 is a polemic against the
Mesopotamian context of the Anunnaki.
This was research that really began in earnest not until about
2010, he says. Right.
So all these seminaries who for hundreds of years are teaching
this Sethite view of the sons of God, they don't understand the
context. As Heiser says, for the time in
which it was written, Genesis is setting the record straight.
We have the fake news version out there, right?
The Anunnaki Genesis 6 is a polemic against that.
That's why it's mentioned. It gives us a narrative to
understand our Old Testament. And Rod, I think you were
talking earlier about knowledge increasing in latter days.
Is that from Daniel? Yeah, that's from Daniel.
And I just heard Chuck Missler on one of his Revelation series
mention that his opinion and other scholars is that when it
says knowledge will increase in latter days, it isn't
necessarily talking about knowledge in general.
It's talking about knowledge biblically, scripturally.
Now, isn't that interesting that as Luke said, just in the last
couple decades, these things are really overwhelmingly the
evidence and you know, talking about Nephilim, talking about
sons of. God I almost feel like that
scripture could be multi layered and I agree with you that things
that were hidden Speaking of Genesis 6 the seed war, the true
meaning of the book of the book of Enoch period was basically
abandoned as far as or even lost.
I don't know what's full history, but until recently, but
I feel like as far as the knowledge part, I feel it's,
it's not just the the knowledge of the scriptures being
available to us and it's a new revelation and we're really
understanding it like we should again here in these last days.
But I, I almost feel like I looked at the Industrial
Revolution, you know, as being knowledge increasing.
I mean, how many hundreds of years did we go through and
didn't have electricity? And then all of a sudden this
explosion of knowledge, it, it almost echoes what took place
during Genesis 6. There was a trade and then there
was a transfer of knowledge. They had technology back then
that we don't even have today. So there was a gap, you know, so
they had it. They were, it was genes, genes,
the flood. There was, you know, basically
everybody started over and then there was basically over 1000
years, right? You know, where we're, we're
relearning things. So what, what happened, what
happened, you know, where knowledge is increasing.
And then we're just like, wow, you know, we're figuring things
out. Maybe it's because Jesus is
coming back. For sure.
And the multi layered idea just to highlight that.
Spot on, Luke, spot on. And let me just ask a question,
not that I'm looking for a response from either one of you
to comment on it if you would like to, But in the New
Testament where the author says the angels that disrobed of
their former estate just want to drop that one, let the audience
investigate that. I believe Chuck Missler talked
about what they disrobed of was ocarion is the Greek word for
that fleshly body. And one more thing I want to
bring up, if angels were able to materialize and dematerialize,
right? I asked Gary Wayne on A2 part
series I did with him recently. What are the invisible ones in
the invisible, the visible ones, how are they in direct tandem
with each other? How are they operating?
Doctor Laura Sanger talks about Nephilim hosts, right?
So when Jesus is saying it shall be like the days of Noah at the
his second coming, that means there was a lack for a period in
between the days of Noah till his coming where these things I
don't think could fully materialize.
If you want to look at an Angel as being, let's just say
condensed energy or astral energy or something like that,
where the ones who have not fallen could appear before
Abraham and eat with him. There's stories where angels
would enter into a elemental, the fire, and ascend up to
heaven. It's all in the Bible.
I don't think it's poetic. I don't think it's like I write
poetry, Pete, You write poetry. Some of it's just not poetic in
that sense. But even though the Hebrew
poetic mindset wasn't for rhythmic of word, it was for
rhythmic of storytelling. But still, we can't look at that
in this this, this current cultural state and just dismiss
all of the case and the evidence that a Brian's mind can present
at a surface glance. That's in the word of God.
So when you say multi layered, Luke, I'm like jumping out of my
chair. Like I feel like I'd ramble for
like hours about all these little things that line up for
me. Personally, let's talk.
Let's talk about information and communication, right?
The most potent way to communicate something is
literal. Like if I'm like, if I want Rod
to to go down to the store and get me a gallon of milk, I'm
going to say, Rod, can you go to and I'll say the specific store.
I'll say the kind of milk. If I you know, if I'm really
particular, what kind of milk do I want?
Now you, you you take that different ways, allegory,
metaphor. And now what does he really mean
when he says milk? You know, it, it gets a little
nebulous. I think it's just like God to
have the multi layers, but he starts with the literal most of
the time because it is the most direct way to communicate
something. And I have to agree with with
the late Chuck Missler of taking what he calls a high hermeneutic
that we take the Bible for what it says.
God says what he means, and he means what he says.
And if he's saying that sons of God, Banai Elohim came down and
had relations that with women and literal giants, the
Septuagint translates it as Gigas giants.
OK? They weren't mincing words with
Nephilim. They didn't leave it
untranslated like the Masoretic Text did in most of our Old
Testaments. That's what it says.
That's what happens. Now.
You guys can go back to episodes 1-2 and 35 and and others and
look at the reasons why. There's just no getting around
that. These were angels that did this.
But let's talk a little bit about information.
We have, as Gary Wayne put it, the interpretive approach came
in, in the last few 100 years versus the literal approach.
Our seminaries were teaching pastors to look at an
allegorizing. Most of our, most of our
churches today look at, for example, the Book of Revelation
as allegory, metaphorical. They don't take it literal when
it comes to the Millennium, when it comes to all these things.
Same with Genesis. You have progressive
Christianity. That's that's saying, oh, these
are just meant to to pass on timeless truths.
And yet here's Answers in Genesis, this fantastic
organization who is showing there's literally physical
evidence for this biblical flood.
Like you're not going to have these things any other way.
And then they try to make, you know, we try to make evolution
or old earth cosmology try to fit with the Bible when it just
doesn't work because now then you've got sin and death
entering the world before the fall of Adam and Eve.
It doesn't work. So if we're starting with the
Bible 1st and we don't give up ground on the Bible, I got there
some great quotes here from Ken Ham of Answers in Genesis I want
to read. There's too much at stake.
We can't give up the foundation of the Bible as truth when we
try to argue apologetics. So what that means, guys, is we
don't, we don't say, oh, this person doesn't believe in the
Bible, so I'm not going to use it.
People don't understand these topics, Ken says, because
pastors aren't teaching it. That's right.
The attack is on the word of God, right from the serpent in
the garden. You guys remember, what did he
say to Eve? Did God really say so?
The attack on the word of God, and this is, I don't know if I
mentioned this earlier in our recording, but I'll say it now.
One of the biggest jobs of Satan is to take meaning away from
things, to dilute meaning. You know, words hardly hold any
meaning anymore. Kids are growing up not
understanding the roots of, you know, cuss words where they came
from. All these words had meaning.
They came they they were put together over time and we have
such a a post Christian world that that it's like Satan just
revels in that because now it now you can fill in the blank of
any meaning that you want. Some other quotes from Ken.
The attack is on the word of God right from the serpent of
garden. There is no neutral position.
If you're not gathering your scattering.
We can't be neutral on the word of God.
And churches, he says, are teaching all kinds of views on
Genesis one through 11. And that's not good.
And that's why I think it's just so important that we hold up an
understanding of who the sons of God and the Nephilim are and why
it's so important to understand it literally.
It answers a few things that are crucial to show why the severity
of the flood and the conquest of the Canaanites was necessary.
Because God's character is at stake.
Because people are rejecting God.
Because no one is telling them the real context of the days of
Noah. And to be a champion for
biblical literalism and integrity.
We just can't afford to let errors in.
We need to preserve and champion the literal truth of what
happened in Genesis 6. In Second Timothy 2:15 it says
study to show themselves approved unto God a Workman that
needeth not to be ashamed, but rightly dividing the word of
truth from a fellow institute similar to answers in Genesis,
the creation Research Institute for from creation research
website. Rather they have this.
This command is for us to give diligence.
The Greek spudazo for God's approval by rightly dividing the
word of truth. That which is to be rightly
divided is not in doubt. That which is to be rightly
divided is not in doubt. Sanctify them through thy truth.
Thy word is truth. John 1717.
The end goal is to display yourself as one who is therefore
approved by God. The key is to rightly divide the
scriptures. The Greek word orthotomeo, only
used this one time, has several shades of meaning.
To cut straight, To cut straight ways, to proceed on straight
paths. Hold a straight course to make
straight and smooth, to handle a right, and to teach the truth
directly and correctly. And that's why this stuff is
important, guys. There is one proper
interpretation for any section of scripture, although many,
many applications and perhaps layers of meaning.
But there is one interpretation for what that author was trying
to communicate to his audience. And if we don't understand that
in every area of Bible of in every area of the Bible, that is
an area for Satan to exploit. I would say Amen to echo the
scriptures you know about studying to show thyself
approved. I, I think when you were reading
that I was, I was, I was thinking as like, man, I, I need
to be praying that over myself. When I mean daily, you know,
what is, what does the scripture say about wisdom?
I mean, it's the foremost thing to get and to have.
So I would put both of those together, you know, when it
comes to reading and understanding and to rightly
dividing the word, rightly understanding the word and, and,
and pray for wisdom that we will be able to consume it,
understand it, you know, retain it and then present it as, as
the, as, as the Scripture says that we're supposed to be ready
at all times to give an exclamation or not an
exclamation explanation, lose it act.
That's the word for our faith. And just as we wind down, you
know, Pete, you had mentioned a couple minutes back, you know,
in Revelation, you know, when we open the Book of Revelation, it
says to us this, this is the knowledge, the details of the
Lord Yeshua, of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Like do we think that there's no multi layered meanings with the
Lord? Do we think that he is not the
one who understood He would be crucified before the foundations
of the earth that we walk and tremble upon The enemy's real
you guys, and the enemy has a real plan to keep you from
understanding who he is and the way that he works.
And when the Bible warns us to be as wise as a serpent but as
harmless as a dove, to not be ignorant to the devil's devices,
to expose the darkness, the fruitless seeds of darkness, and
have nothing to do with those who contribute to the evil
right. I say that from the standpoint
of not only can we recognize the enemy has been attacking the
word of God, attacking your peace, your life, but he also
was very interested, very invested in you not knowing his
presence in the Old Testament, the New Testament and the days
that we live in, in the format of a real appearing enemy to
Hasatan. I don't think there's one of
them. You guys, there's not one of
them because in Genesis, if if the the serpent deceives Eve and
and he's no longer allowed to move around, he's restricted to
the ground. How in job or is he going up to
the throne room? How is he on the dirt in his
belly? So I'm alluding and just kind of
playing with these ideas as we wind down here.
It hoping to challenge the audience to really solidify
everything we've talked about and for them to study to show
themselves well approved. I don't think that there's one
enemy. I don't think there's one guy
responsible for trying to deceive us.
I don't think that there's one Nephilim.
I don't think there's one invisible one.
I think there's many of them. And don't give Satan any more
ground by rejecting the fact that God is telling you the
spiritual battle is real, that God is telling you that he has
armor for you to put on and a Berean mindset that he can work
in and through you to actually let these things be made known
deep with it within us as we testify here on this episode.
It's always an honor to get together with both of you guys,
man. And just planting seeds.
Here I am thinking out loud most of the time just planting seeds,
but I, I believe that God is calling me to that and so much
more. So thank you for just letting me
plant seeds here with you guys tonight during this
conversation. I wish we had more time.
We could probably do like a 3-4 hour symposium and still not get
through enough material. There's so many people that need
to be shouted out who went before us who literally have
this stuff laid out. It's undisputable because it's
in the Bible. Yeah, it's incredible.
So thank you. Thanks, Rod.
It's incredible. When we were talking to LA and
as I was getting ready for that interview, he mentioned and
after the top of my head, I I don't recall it, but when this
post, if you guys go back an episode and listen to it, it's
in there. The gentleman that wrote the
book that LA ordered from his local books, his local bookstore
in 1990, guys, That's how he heard about the Nephilim.
And we just released an episode with Derek Gilbert and it was LA
that introduced the Nephilim to him, even though it's in our
Bibles. And it was Luke, my brother,
introducing the Nephilim to me. It was Randy Demane.
What? Are the sons of God Randy?
Demane introducing it to me so. Yeah.
So like like Rod's saying, we're spreading these seeds guys.
This is important information for what is to come, for what is
the days of Noah for understanding our Bible,
understanding the narrative of what took place in the Old
Testament, and part of what Jesus came to accomplish in the
New Testament to destroy the works of the devil.
And when he declared himself at the foot of Mount Hermon and
asked who do you say I am, And said that Peter answered rightly
that he was the Christ. It was right at that base of
this angelic rebellion that took place for the exchange of women
for knowledge. So these days are upon us.
They are returning. We need to have better answers
for the skeptic. Very thankful, Rod, for sharing
that story that you mentioned there about someone who had that
very question. We don't know what everyone is
going to need to check off their list before they're ready to
give their heart to the Lord in faith.
We all have kind of our our list.
If we're not there yet. There's some things that are
just kind of in the way. And you know, some people are
like Thomas, we need to put our hands in the side and in the
hands of Christ and go, OK, I can feel you and see that.
Yep, that was where the nail was that you were on the cross for
me. We, we don't take everything on
faith. So apologetics are important to
give a reason for our faith. And the great thing about truth
is it stands up to scrutiny. It will stand up to the test.
There was some great advice in in one of Chuck Missler's
Revelation videos on YouTube. I'm going to post a link to
that. There's several channels that
have all 24 episodes. It's over 30 hours of content,
guys. Something you can put on while
you're working in the garage or out in the yard or something.
But he says if you have you come across an area scripture that
you don't understand, you're not sure what it's saying it it
seems to contradict with something else.
Get a notebook or use a notepad app in your smartphone and jot
that down and then ask God's Spirit to reveal to you what
that is and be expectant that he's going to reveal that.
And it might be, you know, somebody says something to you
at the grocery store a week later and it triggers a thought
and then suddenly it will make sense.
But there are answers for the deep questions of Scripture.
And hopefully Luke and Rod and myself can help encourage you
guys listening that the word of God is trustworthy.
You can bet your life on it. So with that, we will wrap up on
the Days of Noah podcast. Thanks Rod, for this one.
Yes, thank you Sir. Always enjoy.
Planting seeds alongside. Of the both of you for sure.
Until next time. Until next time.
Anybody in the church that doesn't take a position on
Genesis 6, it's a foundational thing that opens your eyes to
the Bible, the reality of what took place in Noah's time and
what's taking place now. We agree with these quotes.
Therefore, we need to understand Genesis 6 one through 4.
For example, he says. We can't give up on the
foundation of the Bible as truth when we try to argue
apologetics. People don't understand these
topics because pastors are not teaching it.
The attack is on the Word of God right from the serpent in the
garden. Did God really say he says
there's no neutral position if you're not gathering or
scattering? Churches are teaching all kinds
of you on Genesis one through 11, and that's not good.
I'm agreeing and saying take it. Take what you were saying and
apply it to Genesis 6. Understand how important it is
to fight for every word of God. We don't get to be neutral that
we have to take a position on it, because anything that we're
neutral on or anything that is an error, the enemy can exploit
down the road and he stops. And looks at me and says I grew.
Up in the church and if you can. Tell.
Me why God was saying to murder women and children in the Old
Testament, I can possibly wrestle with religion again like
and it shut me down because as a young and new believer, I had no
argument for that. I didn't have a personal
response for that because I didn't understand the threads
like the seed bore in the Bible. What seed are we talking about
here? So when I started to see that
stuff come together from the great minds like Doctor Michael
Heizer, you know, LA Marzulli, all these other people that were
going before us and actually setting the stage and just
going, I'm not going to protect you from your Bible anymore.
I was able to wrestle through it, prey on it, read it, and
then give better answers. That same friend literally
called me today and it's a whole different.
Conversation now. And I say that humbly.
I don't say that with any pride. I say that because I did not
know what to do back in 2014, 2015 when I got hit with that
question. Music.