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Do all that we can to stand so in this day that we live in with
the confusion and the darkness that's pinned against us.
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Let us say and speak and think whatever you want us to speak
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and thank you Lord and thank you for this disconnection.
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Thank you, Jesus. Hi there.
I'm Jerry from the Millennial Mustard Seed Podcast.
And this is Rod from the Strange O'clock Podcast.
And together we're the Strange Millennial Mustard Seed podcast.
We're spreading this the strange Millennial Mustard seeds all
over the world hopefully right now.
So people that might be confused but we just wanted to say that
we are teaming up 5050 with hosting and Co hosting with each
other and and we are we are each other's guests.
We want to just split it right down the middle that I'm not
Ron's guest or he or he's not my guest, but we're we're just, you
know, joining forces together and we wanted to share our
testimonials with you all or if you're southern, with y'all.
Or if you're from Philly, you could say use guys, use guys, or
if you're from Philly, use guys. Testimony would choose.
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right or from California you could say with you you you guys
share it with you guys and gal surfs up hang loose.
So I'm I'm so blessed to have Rod from Millennial Mustard Seed
on our joint podcast and he's going to share his testimonial
and story. So Rod, can you tell me your
testimonial and how you came to know the Lord when you were
young and you want to share right from the beginning and how
you came to know the Lord? Well, it's a long story and I
have shared my testimony on the Days of Noah podcast and then on
it was aired on my show as well. And actually got a lot of
listener responses from that and the feedback of people saying
more and more and more. So I'm like I'm still digesting
some of my experience, but I did not grow up in the church.
So I'll start there. You know, I grew up very secular
outside of Philadelphia, PA So it was diverse culture, you know
there. There was a lot of things going
on, a lot of things to get wrapped up in and.
You know, with my dad's side of the family, I'm not going to
spend too much time here, but he, his mother was an Italian
Princess. She was first generation from
Italy. She was Rose Maria Tavianna
Palante. So I didn't grow up in the
church, you know, for me, I grew up very secular outside of
Philadelphia, PA and I had good parents.
They worked hard and they had morals.
But for us it was kind of just. Anything that the world was
doing, we were half entertaining that.
So I didn't know much about the Bible, although I had some
experiences when I was younger. You know, I shared a little bit
on an episode that I did on the Days of Noah podcast and it was
aired on my show as well, just kind of touching some of these
climaxes. But one of the interesting
things for me was I knew since I was like 7 years old, I had a
calling on my life. And it was to, you know, seek
God and to to really know what's going on here.
Because I had an aunt and she was on the phone.
She was talking about the glory of God.
She was talking about this God of just majesty and and
brilliant light and love. That's just uncomprehendable.
Right. And and this is back in the
early 90s, so it's like a long squiggly, you know, 10 foot long
telephone cord, you know, and I'm sitting there playing with
my Batman toy and. I had this like I I want to say
it's an out of body experience. I still don't have the exact
language for it, but what happened was I was watching
myself as a young kid playing with this Batman toy from the
top corner of the room, and I was engulfed in light and that
terrified me because I didn't know how to talk about that.
I didn't have the language for it or definitions for it, you
know? And I tried to forget about that
to be honest with you. But my Aunt Connie, she was on
the phone and she was talking with somebody about about the
Lord. She was the only person in my
young life that was walking around with the Bible, Excuse
me. Like, I'm going to live by this.
I'm going to represent this. And other than that, it was
just, it was secular culture, You know, like we ate, we ate
cheese steaks, You know what I mean?
We, you know, we watch sports. You know, it was like this.
Just kind of really basic, you know, partying, work hard, party
hard. Philadelphia culture that I I
was immersed in from a young age, So a lot of things happened
and I don't want to spend like a terrible amount of time on one
thing or another. I mean, it is emotional for me
to think of things back-to-back. But my mom got diagnosed with
cancer when I'm like 17 years old, right?
So she's she's white as a ghost. At one point in time, she had
lost all the hair on her body. She's just a tiny little thing
laying in the bed. And she was going through
chemotherapy. And I remember her.
I took her some tea and some food, and I take it upstairs.
And this is just like a really dark time of life.
And she says to me, she's stopping all medication.
She's stopping chemo. She's stopping everything.
And she was going to go to church.
And I'm like, what are you talking about?
Like, in my mind, I'm like, what are you talking about?
Like this is the medicine. This is crazy.
But like, I respected my mother and I knew that she was saying
it from a place of like, listen to me, son, Like, like if I do
one more day of what the doctors are telling me to do, I'm going
to die. And so I was just shocked by it
that that's like that's like another moment where it's like
this defining time where I'm like being in my mind.
I'm like observing and watching and and like life is going on.
But this is like this introduction of.
My mother, who's going to choose faith over, you know, fear of
death and just over medicine, just it was it's wild.
Now that I look back on it, at the time, I was like angry and
kind of confused and upset, like what is she talking about?
And this doesn't match up, you know what I mean?
Kind of shocked a little bit. But I respected her enough not
to argue what she has said she she wanted to do.
So to this day, you know, we're talking a long time ago now I'm
35. She looks like she's 30 years
old. Full head of hair, beautiful
smile and she's got the glow. So Long story short, she went to
this, this church in Norristown, PA and she trusted God through
this this really dark, you know, near death experience with
cancer that she had. So I think that that was like
something I always kind of held onto, but I put it on the back
burner, like what do I do with this, you know, and.
Let's Fast forward a little bit from there.
I'm just going to hit some climaxes.
I'm going to try to put a couple new things in there.
I didn't share on my previous testimony because my audience
has been asking for quite some time for me to do like this
explanation. Like they want me to cover all
of it. And I'm like, I might need to
write a book because it's a lot. It's like a lot of stuff, but.
I I get jumped. I have this out of body
experience and I get beat up by a bunch of guys.
I'm swollen from the back of my ear to like the front of my
face, like they try to kill me, right?
So I sit up out of my body. Now I'm really frustrated.
Like what is going to happen when I die?
How come I try to talk about this with like quote UN quote,
like religious people or like Christians and they're like kind
of standoffish, Like what is he talking about?
We can't relate to that. Why are you, you know, like what
happened to you, man, you're not of us.
Like you're, you're something different.
That's how I would feel. And that's kind of like what it
how the wall was up between like this, like denominations and
religions and churches. And then just my experience, now
there's a lot of people like me, but at the time you feel really
isolated, like, yo, is there something wrong with me, right?
Like, you know, like I've dipped into this world that we don't
talk about that I shouldn't know exists, but like, nobody wants
to reciprocate me on it. So that that was another thing
that, you know, I dealt with PTSD from that.
And as I'm growing up, you know, I'm 19 or 20 years old.
I can't decide what to do with my life.
You know, I'm literally obsessed with what was going to happen
when I die. And and I need to chew on this
experience. I need to forgive these people
because I I didn't want to hold on to, like, rage and
bitterness. I knew I had to forgive.
But at the same time, I'm like was more perplexed by the
experience, Like, so what's really going to happen when I
leave this temporary vessel? Because like, we don't talk
about that. That's not a that's not a common
conversation, right? And if you go to the pastor, he
just wants to quit some scripture and just say be a good
little boy and go on your way. And it's like, no, no, no.
I need to wrestle through this. So I end up moving to Florida.
I moved 2000 miles away. I get in a 95 accurate Integra
and I hit Interstate 95 and I go to Jacksonville, FL and I'm down
there for for a while now. I had twins when I was younger.
Beautiful, beautiful children. Riley in Seattle.
Yeah, they're just amazing kids and and a blessing.
And there there's just so much, so much of the story, But I'll
share, I'll share this experience.
I'm in Florida. I'm going through, I'm in the
gutter. I'm like going through life,
right. I didn't really have a good role
model or good mentors. I didn't really have good, let's
just say, direction. And I'm trying to do right from
like a secular standpoint, like like I'm like okay.
Well, if I don't smoke or if I don't drink.
Then I'll be able to hold a better job, right?
It's just like thinking like that, well, let's not do what I
was taught, right? Let let's actually change some
things up. So I struggled through that and
tried to do what was right. But but literally, you know, a
backslide. And I didn't really know the
Lord. Although I felt like a tugging.
Like, don't worry, it's going to get better.
Something's coming. But like, it was just like
weird. I kind of wanted to like push it
away because it was like. I don't know how to process
that. I don't know how to digest that.
So that just stays over there. And this is reality.
I need to deal with this. And I was stuck in this, this
weird place for for a while and my daughter Sienna Okay.
This is emotional. But I I lived with them.
Their Their mother wasn't there at the time.
We're in Duval County in the north side of Jacksonville.
I think it was 32218 if I remember the zip code.
Wow, it's a good memory. They must have did something to
me when they beat me up cuz I can remember stuff that I'm like
why do I remember that? Wow.
Amazing. She comes in to her and my son
have a room. I'm across the hall and there's
a bathroom in between us and she comes in to.
The room. And I'm not asleep.
This is like 1:30, almost 2:00 o'clock in the morning.
And she's lit up like a light bulb at like almost two in the
morning. And I'm like, see, I know.
What are you doing? And she says, Dad, dad, they're
so beautiful. They're so beautiful.
Dad, you're And she's excited. And I jump up and I'm like, OK,
because we're in the city. I'm like, I'm, I want to run and
check my doors. I'm like, what is going on?
And she says no, no dad, Dad. And she's she's she's young,
like we didn't go to church. So she doesn't have language to
talk about anything other than just like cartoons and life.
But she says no, dad, the angels are so beautiful.
They're so she didn't even say angels, but she just kept saying
they're so beautiful. And I'm like, she's glowing.
She's wide awake. I'm like, OK, so I get kind of
get down on her level like eye to eye.
I'm like, so what's going on kid?
And she's just like she. This is going to make me all
that she wants to dance, and she's just like in Cloud 9, like
that. They're so beautiful.
It's going to be okay, she says. And little does she know, she
she didn't know. Nobody else knew.
But weeks before that, a storm blew in and I had the front
door. But I'm home alone at the time.
And like, there's this storm. It's like a whatever like
Category 3 or 4. Hurricane or whatever they call
them, the tropical storms down there.
And I'm beating the ground crying out to God and I'm just
like had this moment with them, you know?
And like I haven't talked about like this, this portion with my
daughter and what she experienced and and sharing this
before. So forgive me if it chokes me up
a little bit, but I I am beating the ground and literally
screaming on top of my lungs. And I'm doing it during this
storm because I'm like, I don't want my neighbors to think I'm
like a crazy psychic. You know what I mean?
Like I'm still somewhat logical, but I didn't really care.
So now Fast forward to to when my daughter is is telling me
that she encountered 3 beautiful beings, right?
She just says dad, they're so beautiful and it's going to be
okay and I'm skeptical. I'm still looking and I look out
the window and I say Sienna bright like that because she
kept saying they're so bright, they're so bright and we have a
street light that's out there. You can just see one of the
street lights from the window, She says no, no, no, no Dad,
nothing like that. They are bright and beautiful.
And now I'm like, OK, And she says God heard your prayer and
now I'm like choked up. I'm like, OK, this kid is
flipping the whole entire thing upside down on me.
I'm having like a moment that I can't explain.
And she says Dad, God heard your prayer.
And they're so beautiful. And you don't need to worry,
Dad. God's pleased, she said.
God's pleased with your prayer and this.
This wrecked me, you know? And so she goes on just to tell
me how beautiful they are. And I'm trying to extract as
much information as I can from her.
But. It's just it wrecked me, you
know, put me on this, this, this journey where it's like I am, I
am humbled because, like, I I like, who am I?
Did I pray, right? Because I felt like I was really
angry at God when I prayed. I didn't like from what I knew
or like what I was like hearing about Christianity.
I'm like, that's not the right way to come to him, you know,
like out of just like, help me. Are you there?
Are you real? Like, you know, just this is
like wild prayer I had. And Oh yeah, she did going to
tell me that that the three angels that that she had met
were the three that were going to take me, Riley and her into
heaven. And she said, Dad, don't worry.
It's not going to be too long. And I remember keep saying,
like, what do you mean by it's not going to be too long?
She said Dad, Dad, don't worry. And she's just little like she's
others. Just don't know how she could
ever have a vocabulary for this stuff.
She's saying, Dad, it's not going to be too long, Don't
worry. They're the ones that are going
to take us to God. God was pleased with your
prayer. It's going to be okay Dad.
She just kept saying that. And so, like, that wrecked me.
You know, I end up coming back to Pennsylvania.
Not by choice. You know, at the time I, you
know, was in in some trouble. Nothing violent, but I had to
appear for court in Pennsylvania.
They were going to expedite me. I had like my mom calls me one
day and like 5 or 6 police officers surround the house
looking for me. I'm that 2000 miles away or
whatever, 1000 miles away, whatever it is from Florida to
Lake Philadelphia. And so I'm like, in order to be
able to maintain normality and grow, I.
So I have to turn myself in, right?
And a lot of what my daughter had had told me that night gave
me the strength to face things that I was like, I'm good.
I don't want nothing to do with that.
I don't want to go there. I don't want to deal with life.
I don't want to be confronted by just, you know.
The idiot past that I had and bad decisions that I had, I like
was totally content with being as far as I could from where I
grew up and the people and and everything.
But she gave me by what she told me this this calm still like
strength. Like okay, this is this is
weirder than I ever thought. God had to have heard me.
I mean, you can't make this up like this kid is too young to
know this, right? Like I'm all this stuff's
running through my mind. So she a lot of that gave me the
strength to then just be like, I'm going to face everything and
I'm not gonna back down ever again.
Like I'm just gonna. And how old was your daughter?
She's like three, 3, 1/2 at the time.
Oh, she was super little, very young.
She's young. Yeah, that's amazing. 3 1/2
years old. So And you know that it was
supernatural because she doesn't have the religious background to
share this kind of supernatural experience.
Wow, that gives me chills. Seriously, that's awesome.
Yeah. And and to just Fast forward
from that, you know to contribute to my testimony, I'll
come back to Pennsylvania. My sister, I'm the youngest of
three. My my sister's taking me to
church in Norristown and I'm here in Romans 8 Romanstown.
I just, I'm remembering some verses and I'm really on this
like teetertotter of like the the scripture was all who call
upon the name of the Lord will be saved.
And I remember thinking like, does that include me?
Like in like 2013 or whatever this year was by the time I'm
back and and and in the church here in PA, I'm going.
But does that include me? Because like, now I'm opening
the Bible and I'm reading it and I'm like, like these are ancient
stories about ancient people. Like that doesn't have nothing
to do with me today. But like I was asking that
question, does that include me? And so I find myself in in the
court and Judge Danielle decides not to lock me up.
She actually gives me a purge of release agreement.
She looks at me. She says, Mr. Smith, something's
changed with you. You're going to do what's right.
I said yes, ma'am, I'm out. So, like, I'm not going to get
locked up. I have fines, I got to get my
license reinstated, all this stuff.
But now God's got my heart. Like I surrendered my heart And
I'm like, okay, this does include me.
And ever since then it's been a slow, like, bumpy.
There's been plateaus, but it's been like upwards.
And it's just been a wild journey.
I just shared what I shared there because like.
That's stuff that I left out of other climax, as I shared on my
testimony. Because they're so emotional and
I literally just don't want to. I'm like just like a, you know,
shave my head and a beer and I'm like, I don't want to be
balling, No, if you want to, please feel free.
I almost started dwelling up. I I had to to mute myself
because I had the sniffles as a result of how emotional I was
getting through your awesome story about that.
So after your your daughter had said that at age 3, how many
years was it before you really felt like you gave your life to
the Lord? And what was that pivotal point?
Well, if it was when I was in the courtroom for the last time,
I mean, I was going to church. And like I said, I remember
hearing, like Romans, all called upon the name of the Lord will
be saved, and there's no condemnation to those who in
Christ Jesus. But I surrendered my heart.
Right. Like I'm trying to walk better
and cleaner. But like, there was this moment
where I can't do this on my own. I my efforts are just, it is
bullcrap. I have nothing to offer.
I'm just worthless in all of this.
But there's something about you. God, Jesus, I need you.
I need you to be with me. I need you to give me the
courage. I need you to reinvent me.
I need you to literally come alongside of me and make sure
that I can walk in a way that. Is going to going to make me be
the man that you're calling me to be.
Because I can't visualize what that looks like.
But I know I know I'm being tugged And so so it was at that
moment where like my heart surrendered.
Now I'm I'm, I'm a big believer and like we continually wrestle
with the flash daily and we continually surrender like in
obedience, right. Like I think when the apostle
Paul was talking about, for example, he's terrified of not
fulfilling. This high calling in the new in
the New Testament, I think he's talking about losing his reward
in heaven, not his salvation. I think he was running the race
for like the greater treasure treasures in heaven.
I don't think he was fearful of losing his salvation.
So I'm not like a once saved always saved God.
But I believe that if it's a heart thing, so it depends on
how our heart is before God. It depends on how we come to him
and just if we're real with him or not.
Like like having the reality of like we can't hide nothing from
him. So if we start to talk to him
like there's nothing hidden. If we start to walk like God, I
know you see me stumble. I know you see me think this
way. I know you see me in my
mistakes. But I trust you and and I'm
desiring A deeper walk with you when your word is the only light
that ever showed me the time I wasted in the darkness.
If we're real with ourselves like that, I think God will
continue to work on us and and bring us into this place where
we're usable, I guess, for Him. So that's kind of, it is really
a long drawn out story. I know it might sound crazy to
somebody listening, but it really is a long drawn out
story. Do you think that with your
daughter at age 3 saying, yo dad, I see that they're so
beautiful and insinuating that there were angels?
Do you think that that was a result of your mom's fervent
prayers for you and your your little ones?
I I don't know. That's a good question.
I don't know. Did she ever say that she was
praying for you? Did she ever say?
She was praying for you. I had a pastor in Norristown
praying for me at the time. My sister and my mother were
praying for me at the time, yeah.
And in Florida, we weren't attending churches.
Like, I pulled a Bible out a couple times in Florida and like
red. But it was more or less like it
felt like I was awake and asleep at the same time at that part of
life. Like I really just felt like I
was. Didn't know who I was.
Didn't know where I was supposed to be going.
You know, I have these two beautiful kids that I need to
take care of and PTSD is just spinning in my head.
So to really look back on it it it had to have been someone
praying for me. It, you know, God, he heard my
prayer out of the mouth of a babe, he he confirms.
Listen, I heard you beat the ground and cry out to me and.
I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry that you had to go
through that with these horrible people beating you up.
And I'm sure through it was only through the Lord Jesus that
you've been able to forgive them and.
And that he has healed your heart and your mind.
And and I I can see that the Lord has really done a work in
you. I can see the glow in your face
and I can tell that that's from the Lord and I can see the peace
in your heart. And and that's definitely,
you're definitely a walking, talking millennial testimonial
for what God is done in your life.
That's that's amazing. That's great.
So did you get into podcasting before or after you met your
wife, Princess? Oh yeah.
So no, We were married when I was at work and I was listening
to podcasts and I was like, listening to, like, Bigfoot
podcasts and like, Canary Cry radio with thousands of guns.
Like I have this like mini playlist going.
And other guys were kind of making fun of me because I, I,
like, didn't really have nobody to talk about the stuff with.
So I bring it up a little bit, you know, like Tesla waters with
like other Christians and other people.
And it was like, get out of here with that, Like, what are you
talking about? Like it was just like that's
myth, that's legend, you know? And I remember even people using
some scriptures to try to make me seem like I was in error.
Surely you do error from the scriptures, brother, right?
Like I survive. I'm getting but I'm like I don't
care. Well, you guys say, I was
testing the waters, right? But I know what God is saying in
my heart. I know that the things that are
being pressed upon me, it's there's great exploits there yet
to be done. Not at the time knowing that the
scriptures would say things like it's the glory of God to conceal
the matter, but the duty of, you know, the Princess to seek it
out. But now I start a podcast and I
just had this crazy idea. I think I was listening to Basil
and Gonz at the time, and all of this stuff's going on in my
mind. I have this like personal
journey where it's not just like.
I'm infatuated with someone else's story.
But like, I literally am wrestling through, how do I make
sense of my own story? Like, how do I look somebody in
the eyes, sit in front of them and be like, yes, this happened
to me, like, how do I do that, right?
Because there's just like so much for me to try to make sense
of that. I'm like, why don't I take a
step of faith and start, start a podcast?
Let me just take a step. I'm going to start talking about
what's on my mind, what's going on, and capture this growth
experience to see, to document it in a way.
I knew I wasn't alone, but I know that nobody else was
around. That was like fanning the faint,
the flame of faith in me. They weren't.
They was always like, get out of here with that.
Like, I saw I'm like, no, no, no, there's something here.
And I kind of just followed that, that talking.
So yeah, I think it was like 2018, I was preparing to do a
podcast, but 2019. A friend of mine, Nick Long,
does this Jacob's Ladder Challenge, which is like.
He's on this like a ladder workout piece of equipment, but
he does the height of Mount Everest.
I forget what it is. I think it's like 8 or 9000
feet. So he does that in in steps.
It takes him like 8 hours to do it.
He does it, catches local traction, you know, he's got
this like, muscle shirt on that says give God the glory.
So when they ask him why he did what he did, he holds up the
shirt and he's like, I'm just giving God the glory.
And like, me and him were like laughing about that.
We're like, man, this is like, so cool like.
Let's tell that story. So like, actually the very first
podcast, Not of This World, it was Jacob's Ladder was episode
one with me and Nick talking about me and him both doing just
like radical crazy stuff of faith.
Like we're like, we're going to go against the norm, we're going
to go inculcate these areas, and we don't care if you guys like
it or not. It was just like kind of
starting starting the podcast. It was there so that with the
Millennium Muster seed, I just reinvented it.
Based upon, like you know, prayer and deep dives.
Guys like Chuck Missler especially for like fundamental
on helping me see how the word and the depth of the word of
God, it surpasses our wildest imagination.
And there is no sacred secular divide like we can run to the
word. With all these topics, all these
questions, it doesn't matter what what's going on.
Like the the word is is there to give us edification to.
Teach us to rebuke us to to encourage us.
Right. And so the millennial mustard,
see, was born out of just. I felt small and insignificant
in my generation. I didn't.
I just didn't really feel like recognized or like I had impact.
But I knew that God could do something great if I just
surrendered it to him. So I felt like I had this little
tiny thing to offer. In a weird way, that's kind of
how it how it came out. So yeah, well, I love the name
millennial mustard seed. I think I told you last time how
much I just think it's the, the, the most awesome podcast name
for millennials. And And I love how when Jesus
talks about the mustard seed, that if you have faith the size
of a mustard seed, you could say that this mountain be removed
and flung into the sea. It should be done for you.
And I always like thought about like, gosh, how small is the
mustard seed? And and I heard it's pretty
small. It's I mean it's smaller than
the typical seed and and if you think of the smallest seed it's
even smaller than that almost like a little speck.
And and it's it's amazing that you being a quote millennial
have have faith at least the size of a mustard seed and
you're you're scattering those seeds of faith among your peers
and people that are younger and older like myself and that
you're really you share it boldly and with love and I can
see that you really have a heart to to win the lost generation
for Christ. And and I think that that is
amazing and awesome. You know so if anybody happens
to you know maybe they say and and shake their fist or whatever
like oh this generation you know millennials and why Generation Y
and seeing everything but God is reaching the young folk that God
is reaching. You know the the real young ones
all the way up to you know through your generation and
through mine which is generation X.
And I forget that the whole like what I know generation X is like
I think the 70s and mid 80s and I think millennials are right
after that I believe. I think more what?
85 to 95, I forget. They they say it's like 84.
I think to like 99 is like OK that's.
Right. But I've heard it's.
I've heard other people say no, it goes all the way to 2000.
It goes all the way back to 1979.
I've heard, but I oh wow, I don't remember the year. 2000
you know, like I'm like, I don't know, 12 years old and the Y2K,
right? All that stuff, so right.
Oh my gosh. Wow, that's amazing.
Kind of right, right smack that in the middle of the millennial
generation there. So.
So how did you meet your lovely wife who was Filipina?
How did you meet your lovely wife, Princess?
Yeah. So we talked online as just like
friends and she was in Jersey and and I'm right outside of
Philly. So there's a bridge apart, You
know, we talked for like a year or two and she wanted to learn
English better. And so I'm like okay.
Well, I'll help you with your pronunciation and just help you
with English and. The first time, you know,
because it was just through, like, messaging.
Like chat rooms were like really big.
And, you know, like social media was like huge.
Then, not as much Now for me, it's almost like overwhelming.
But like, then it was like kind of cool because it was like
brand new, you know what I mean? And so I remember the first time
I talked with her on the phone. I just like, I melted when I
heard her voice when she was trying to pronounce things.
I'm like, you got the cutest voice I've ever heard in my
life, so. This is, this is great.
I'll help you. And we just talked for probably
like a year or two, just as basic friends like let's just, I
want to learn about your culture.
And she wanted to learn about America because she was newer to
America at the time. And I remember when my
grandfather died and he was like the head of the family.
I mean our family like slowly got ripped apart as all these
years went on. But he was kind of like a glue,
like he did Sunday dinners. Like everybody would go there on
Sunday and he would cook a big meal like every weekend.
So that was cool. But he passes away and I get a
FaceTime call from Princess my my wife now and you know, she's
wearing all black and she's like, yeah, I guess she had she
had found out through maybe Facebook at the time that he
passed and she's just like, I was hoping you were okay.
I wanted to check on you and I'm like, I'm good.
I just don't really feel like talking.
And like I noticed throughout like a, it was probably like a
week or two. Every time she would reach out
to me or that I would even check like social media at all, she
had a picture. She was dressed in all black.
I'm like, so I asked her, I'm like, what's going on here?
Like, like, what does that mean? She's like, well, that's how we
mourn for somebody that we care about.
So we we dress in all black after somebody that our heart is
for and they have a devastating loss, whether it be a job or
family member. It was like a cultural thing.
So she was expressing it, but never like.
Hey, I'm doing this like, she just did it.
And like, it didn't matter if I knew it or not, She actually was
just mourning for me. So I'm like, you're amazing.
Like like, we're going to go get a meal together.
So we went and got a meal, we meet up, and the first time I
laid, I was on her at a vision of marrying her.
Well. I mean, I seen her in a wedding
dress and she was smiling at me and I knew I was the groomsman.
So I'm like, that's awesome. This is crazy.
I'm like, OK, so yeah, now. Seven years of marriage?
Oh, that's awesome. Seven years of wonderful wedded
bliss And and So what? So you so you met her nine years
ago then or eight years ago? Oh, that's.
And it was online, did you say? Yep.
And I'm sorry, what was the what was the platform?
Was it Facebook or? Yeah, it was.
It was Facebook like. Was probably like a messenger
group or like the social media of some sort.
Yeah. I mean, we connected on like
Facebook. Like we talked for like 2 years
on Facebook at the time. So, oh, that's wonderful.
Does she share this, the same Christian faith as you?
Yeah. Is she more Catholic?
There was. She's from the Philippines,
which is the only Christian nation in the Far East, but
they're like Catholic. It's like a lot Catholicism
there. They're surrounded by obviously
like Buddhists and and Muslim nations and stuff like that.
So she understood. You know, like the principles of
like, because where I'm at in my faith walk at the time, it's
like I didn't know a lot about the Bible or like what was going
to happen in my life following after Christ.
But like, we both knew Jesus Christ was Lord.
We both knew that's the name above all names.
Like there's no way getting around that one.
But she came from like a Catholic background and then she
had a lot of missionaries coming to her country when she was
growing up. So there was some religious
confusion there. You know, she had seen Mormons
come through. She had seen all these different
groups come through. And everybody's like, no, we're
right. We're going to baptize you.
So, like, these people just come through every year or two into
these villages over there and like, you know, hook people up
with some clothes and baptize them and they're like the fresh,
new cool religious thing. And then they disappear.
And then a year later, you know, you get these other groups.
So there was, there was some confusion there in it.
And I think a lot for me and her was really just taking that
journey together of like, well, let's.
Let's read the word and let's walk this thing out.
You know what I mean? So, but yeah, she's a Christian,
obviously. Yeah.
But I think we've both grown a lot since since 9, almost 10
years ago together. Wow.
And you have a a lovely son, Adam, and he is 6 years old.
Is that right? Yeah.
Okay. Well, that's wonderful.
That's that's a huge blessing. It's amazing how the Lord can
bring people together through the Internet.
I met my husband through the Internet as well and I have,
that's my story, of course. But So what would you say was
like the main thing that like caused you to like really like I
guess become like a red pilled Christian cuz I mean there's
there's Christians that are quote blue pilled or or people
that kind of don't believe the way we do that believe the
mainstream narrative on the news.
And then there's the red pilled Christians who they believe in
alternative narrative of history I guess.
So what caused you to to kind of like switch gears?
Well, I'll share two things real quick and then I'm going to ask
you some questions. Sure.
Absolutely. So with with regards to my wife
contributing to, well, let me back up a little bit and I'll
share. I've had supernatural
experiences throughout my life, so like, I didn't know where to
go with that. Once I started reading the word,
I found out that's not. Uncommon in the word like when
you you're seeking God and you have a calling in your life and
you're actually willing to go there and acknowledge you know
the name above all names and you're willing to actually say I
am going to a lot this space instead of going out and
partying, instead of focusing on this or watching movies or
playing video games, I am going to dive into the word you start
to find well, it's it's almost like a part of that journey.
Like it should almost look. And I'm not saying like, alien
spaceships, little green men, listen, I mean that stuff.
I know that stuff happens. But what I'll say is, like, when
I say supernatural, I mean even just dreams or just just having
a prophetic word, like knowing like this this is going to come
to pass. And then God confirming it
through somebody else when you never spoke it out loud.
And then it happens, and then you find yourself praising God
and you just feel filled up. That's supernatural for me, too.
I'm not. When I say supernatural, I don't
just mean like. Bigfoot.
Like, yeah, I believe that that fits in there too.
But so, so, like, I'm riddled with all of these supernatural
things happening. And that's the reason why I just
wanted to limit it, because I don't want to go down too many
rabbit trails and start talking about all of it right now.
But with my wife, one of the contributing turning points was
here I have my wife. You know, we are Marriage is the
highest honored relationship outside of our relationship of
God. So as like, we are growing and,
you know, we're talking and just getting to know each other
better, I noticed that she would talk about her childhood and
things she experienced and seen. And it was no, it wasn't without
memes. It was without jokes.
It was like literally these these creatures exist and their
culture is not just folklore and like seeing.
And I would ask, well, why don't, why don't you want to
talk about it with anybody else? And she would say because you
guys would make you Americans would make fun of us for this.
And I'm like, well, probably, yeah, because I get a hard time
too. So like, yeah, you're a
foreigner with an accent. They'll probably really shake
you down for it, right? But then she says, no, no, no,
your culture. You guys play video games about
this. You watch movies about it.
You read, you know, made-up stories about it.
You sit around at campfires and do your little marshmallows and
tell these creepy little stories.
But she says we live that overseas.
Like, we don't go outside in the dark.
Our prayers are warfare, battle prayers to protect us.
Because literally, you know, stuff happens and she's like,
you guys don't get that here. And that like, hit me so hard
because, like, here's my beautiful little wife, you know,
later night we're talking. And she's dropping tears as
she's pouring her heart out to me about how uncomfortable it is
for for her and people like her to be able to try to talk about
this stuff. Because we're just like we're
too like just too fake is modern day Babylon, which is too fake.
We just go, go, go. Unless we can make money on that
story, we don't want to hear it. Like, like that's this
mentality. And I'm like that's disgusting.
But it layered me deeper into like there's no microphone on
the she has nothing. She's not making this up.
She has nothing to do from it. If anything, she would be
putting herself at risk for me to be, like questioned her
culture or be like, no, I don't want to travel to your country.
Or you know what I mean? Like, she's actually at risk of
loss and if she says it too loud, at risk of loss of
reputation locally, you know, within family and within
whatever you want to call it. So like, once she started to
help me realize, like, honey, we don't laugh about this.
Like, we don't go outside after dark.
Like, this is very serious to us.
You walk this way, you be careful what you talk about.
Like, you always, Right. And it was just like, I'm like,
man, that's not an American thing.
Like Americans are. Like, that's a whole.
So I became culturally, I started to shift and understand
and that that was a a really big solidifying point because then
it helped me to, like, not be so afraid to dive into things I
experienced and be like, well, you know what?
I'm not going crazy. Like I have all these notes out
of things I experienced. You know, like, I know this
stuff happened, but like, I always kind of wanted to put it
away because it wasn't, it wasn't cool or like acceptable
at the time. It was like, like you.
It just didn't fit in. So I always felt like, put it on
the back burner because I don't know how to unpack it.
But like, my wife was a big part of me having the confidence just
to be like, you know what? I got to run through and wash
all of this against the word of God and just not be bold,
understand it all. So is my daughter when she's 3,
1/2 years older than my wife, these two magnificent women, You
know that that really helped and these pivotal points in my life
to just really be like, no, you know, trust your gut, trust your
story, trust the word of God above all and be careful with
these things. So that was a big turning point
for me, Her specifically so. That's amazing.
You know, I don't want to say my friend's name, but his wife is
Filipina at one of our Christian podcast friends and I'm not sure
if I should say his name because I didn't ask him because it's
his story and it's his wife's story.
But I he's such a. Great guy, that.
I have a feeling that he wouldn't mind, but just to to
make 100% sure he's going to be anonymous.
But, but actually what your wife is saying to you and her
experiences resemble sort of what.
Our other, our mutual friend's wife said and I I actually met
them both and I I said please, please come both of you on my
show and share your experience, you know.
And then she says, Oh no, I'm not into you know, and she's
definitely not into podcasting or whatever.
And she feels shy about it. So now I understand the the
cultural context of it, that she has everything to lose because
she's talking to an American audience.
And if American people around her get wins, they might think
that she's. Or something.
But, but, but that's the total opposite.
You know, we're the ones that are cuckoo because we have
totally blinded ourself. Yeah, we've blinded ourself to
this other reality. You know we if somebody says
that. You know, they're seeing things
or hearing things that are supernormal, supernatural, that,
you know, we give them drugs and medication.
We put them into an insane asylum and to get locked up
where is over there in the Philippines and and among the
red pilled Christians or the OR the at least the people that are
open to the supernatural reality, we realize that there
is that other dimension that we can't see unless God.
Takes the veil off and then we we see that dimension.
Obviously that happened for you when you had your auto body
experience as a kid. It happened to your lovely
daughter and it has happened to your wife in the Philippines.
You know, it was interesting. I had this dream.
I feel like I should share this. I had this dream when I was
probably like maybe 10 years ago and.
And it was just a very, very quick dream.
I had this dream that I was in Mexico and it was at night time
and I was walking around the street.
I've never been to Mexico, Okay. And but they were saying you
know hey you, you get you get into the house get into the
house. You know the the Chupacabra is
is running around or whatever. You know and I'm like what?
Huh. What do you mean?
And so I so everybody ran into the house and I saw this
creature walk by. This is way before blurry
creatures. This is way before I became Red
Pill. Probably like in 2006, I had
this dream. So this, this big evil creature
monster would would walk by the streets, right?
And I never forgot that dream because I'm like, okay, why on
earth did I have a dream I was in Mexico, I've never been
there. And why would I have a dream
that that everybody was getting into the house while this
strange creature was was walking down the road.
And I have a feeling that maybe that's something that happens in
the Philippines where they, like you said that they don't leave
their house. But anyway, so our our mutual
friend's wife said something to those effects.
She didn't talk about the little.
People, but she talked about this supernatural dog like a
food dog or whatever that would appear to her her, I think her
grandmother or grandfather was a shaman or something like that.
And it would this dog would appear and and they would do
this incantation or whatever and then the food, food would
supernaturally rise from the pot.
And it was it was not Christian, it was it was witchcraft.
So there was that it. And the some other stories I
forget, but I don't doubt that this other Filipino wife I I'm
sure that she probably has had experiences with with little
people. Oh, and another thing she said
was that portals, like some people would just escape into
portals and they won't, might not be seen for a few months and
all of a sudden they're they're there and they have these, this
memory of being in this other reality.
And I'm like my mind is totally blown because like you said in
America, we hardly ever embrace that.
And when we do, when, when that happens to us, you try to tell
your pastor, not not all pastors, but but I think there's
some pastors that are 90% of them don't want to hear it.
But yeah, some of them are willing to be like, OK, what's
going on, you know? Right, right.
I think that there's that there's there's a growing number
of pastors that are open to this.
But back in the day, you know, when we're growing up, you tell
somebody, you know, they're looking at you like like you
know you're at. Mine or whatever.
But yeah I totally I I think those are beautiful stories.
When you're out you're out of body experience that maybe the
Lord took you out and maybe showed you maybe that you have a
spiritual body and and definitely showed showed your
daughter holy angels and to comfort you to bring you to the
knowledge of God for when you were in court.
So that that's awesome that that's amazing.
So I do have to apologize Ron to you because we try to.
I was on Ron. Like 3 months ago and I yammered
on and on and on about my testimonial and I promised Ron
that that I would make it concise and to the point and not
put all this extraneous information in there.
So. So I wanna also share, share my
story. And you said, Ron, that you had
some questions for me too. Yeah, absolutely.
And and I was so captivated by your story when you were on.
I was like, I sat there and was just, I took that emotional ride
with you. I'm an empathy in a lot of ways.
So like, when I really want to care and listen, I will like,
put everything else out of mind and focus in.
And then I'll feel like, you know, just like, ah, I'm taking
this ride with this person's story.
So, but but I'm going to ask you what kind of come close to what
you were asking me in a sense. But like, what was the defining
point where you came to Christ and you realize, like, I'm all
in for him? Like there's no nothing for me
over there. Like, when did you make that
choice to rock it out with Christ?
Sure, sure. Well, I would have to say that
there were a lot of things that happened to me growing up that
made me really doubt the efficacy of the religion I grew
up with, which was Buddhism. Because I didn't see any
redemptive value in it. I'm not saying that that all
Buddhists, you know, are like this or whatever, but the
religion or anything like that. I mean, I love Buddhist people.
I just, I'm like, I don't believe in the religion because
I I believe that Jesus is the way, the truth of the life.
No man comes to the Father, no one goes to heaven but by him,
and there's no other name under heaven by which we must be
saved. So, so in a nutshell.
My, my dad and and mom were immigrants from Thailand and
they moved to from from Thailand to California because their
typhoon had moved to Southern California by Compton, actually.
So it was a very, very modest home.
And they were, they were totally in a culture shock because they
went from, you know, kind of, you know, sort of city life, you
know, but no gangs or anything like that to like, you know,
there's like. You know right next to gangland
right there and and although it wasn't as bad in the 70s you
know but but my my dad and my mom were in like culture shock
but my dad kind of blended in by going to goatee and things like
that and and he's kind of trying to blend in you know to to the
the the Mexican people over there and such and and my but my
mother had a a hard time so my my dad had had moved to
California because he had gotten an architectural job there and
he had gotten his architectural. From the university of Thailand
and so that's the main reason why he was able to to to move
around and so he wanted to be a beginning draftsman over there
And so while while he was assimilating into the culture
with the language and the friends from work and things
like that. My mother was not and she was
having a hard time with the the assimilating into the culture
and the language and and not making a whole lot of friends
and she felt very depressed after she had, she had me, she
had postpartum depression and so unfortunately.
My mother had a lot of mental illness when I was probably
starting at age 5 or 6 and so unfortunately I saw her go in
and out of of mental episodes unfortunately.
And so my my parents had separated when I was 8 and my my
mom lived in Thailand when my dad was here, but I was raised
as an American girl from age 0 to, you know, anyway, but so.
My dad and I got along really, really well from age 8 to 12.
Like he was my best friend. He was my pal.
He was the only one I had, basically.
But my gosh, when I was age 12, I got into a lot of occult
stuff. Like I know a lot of Christians
or just people in general don't think there's anything wrong
with horoscopes and astrology, but.
But I was like really obsessed with it and I would read it
every day and follow follow it to the T and and I felt like I I
let the enemy in. I I really felt like at some
point that it was that an evil spirit had come in and and I
know that for sure because the there was a book called Demons
in the World Today by Doctor Merrill F Unger and.
The page that I had opened up to was about demons and fortune
telling, but that that's a little bit further down the
road. But but when I was 12, I really
got into the dabbling into the cult with astrology and
numerology and things like that. And there's nothing wrong with
biblical astrology or even biblical numerology, but the but
Satan can twist everything. And so I really felt at that
point that the enemy had gotten a foothold in my life through
that, even though it was just a little, a little small, little
pinprick. Of of interest in the occult and
also there's a possibility that whatever spirits that were
causing my mother's mental illness, and yes, I do believe
that mental illness can be organic, but it can also be
spiritual too. So I believe that whatever
spirits that maybe was in my family bloodline was was
oppressing me plus the involvement of the occult and
things like that. So I became.
With I had. Dad's Selfesteem was suicidal
and depressed, I would say from age 1213 and 14 and and then my
dad and I would argue and, you know, and really got into a lot
of verbal fisticuffs and things like that because I I wanted to
break away from his paternal instincts or what have you.
But I remember feeling that sense of hopelessness one time
when I was 13, just crying. My dad and I had gotten into the
argument. Because I wanted to be this
rebellious American girl and I was sticking out of my window
and and meeting friends and things like that, you know, And
that was definitely not something that he grew up with
like. So my dad, my dad was you know,
old like traditional like, you know, you went to school and you
went, you pleased your parents, you did your chores, you went to
sleep, you know, rinse, repeat. And with me as an American girl,
I wanted to have friends and I wanted to dress pretty, you
know, with the the right makeup and earrings and and.
And and clothing and things like that.
So that caused, you know, kind of a rift between us.
And so I became rebellious, like I said, sneaking out the window
to meet, you know, friends and what have you.
And I remember we got to an argument and I and, you know, it
was really a sharp argument. And I remember my, my friend and
my friend's mom was there and I just started crying and I
started weeping in my hands, like, what's the meaning of
life? I don't understand why I was
born, you know? And I know it sounds.
Ridiculous now, but I mean I was really in in my heart of hearts
I was crying and weeping out of sorrow that you can't believe
just because. And my mom had already died.
She had committed suicide unfortunately when I was 12.
So it was like a year after she had committed suicide that.
You know, I was also questioning the meaning of life, you know,
and in the things I was, I was telling you about the low self
esteem and the involvement in the occult.
And then and then who knows, maybe those, those same spirits
that you know had had influenced my mother to commit suicide.
We're also trying to drag me down, you know, And so a year,
so that was, I remember asking myself that question, Why am I
alive? Why am I alive and crying?
And then in I remember 87. To December of 87 and I remember
this date because there were some Gideons that went to the
the school bus when I was 14 and they they were handing it to the
the kids on the school bus and they were freshmen all the way
up to seniors on the bus. And I remember, you know, I
don't know about Philly, but it it.
I don't know how they're, how receptive they are to the Bible
or or Christianity or whatever. It might be the same as
California. But there there was a lot of
kids that were would take the Bible and and like start ripping
up pages, you know, like some of the bratty kids in the back
ripping out pages of lighting it on fire.
But I I took the little Bible and and I I brought it home with
me. And I remember in the back there
was a place to write your name. And I.
So I put, I put Geralyn Cowie Wong.
I go, OK, well, I'm going to write my name, you know, because
it's my, it's my little. Bible and but I remember also
getting another Bible from this Thai Presbyterian Church that
that was friends with my my late mom and dad.
So. So that's Thai Presbyterian
minister. Had had officiated the funeral
for my mom which is very heartbreaking to to know that
she was in so much pain and turmoil and agony that that she
committed suicide and my heart was broken my my dad's heart was
broken. But it almost seems like I
turned that sadness to to anger and rebelliousness towards my
dad and and and that was, I would say that was the turning
point, right there was. I was, I was depressed.
I was angry. I was suicidal and and I
remember that in my freshman year I was, I think I was May of
88 and I was 15 and I'm sorry I was just about turned 15 and or
maybe I was already 15, sorry I was already 15, yes.
And in May of 88, and there was this boy in front of me sitting
in my freshman class in my theater arts class.
And he had this book that was called Demons in the World Today
by doctor Marila Funger. And And I said, hey, can I
borrow that? Because it had this, this.
I was in the horror movies too. So the cover of it was a picture
of a woman sitting at a table really solemnly.
And there and behind her, was an apparition of her husband.
And that's what piqued my interest.
And and I said, oh, it looks like a ghost book because I was
really into, you know, reading and watching The Amityville
Horror, you know, The Shining and things like that.
You know, don't watch those movies by the way, folks,
really, you know, demonic evil movies and what have you.
But anyway, but the Lord actually used that to pique my
interest in this book because it had this, the spooky cover.
And I say, hey, can I borrow that?
And. Is that sure?
And so I opened it up and the the chapter that it opened up to
was demons and fortune telling. And it said that those who are
in into the occult such as astrology, numerology and
psychic stuff and other type of divinational practices open the
door to to demon experience. I know that sounds ridiculous to
a lot of people, even Christians, which is.
Really sad because Christians are supposed to believe in the
supernatural. But I it just it was that was
the defining moment that that God really spoke to my heart.
And I I started weeping tears of joy.
And the next several months after that, people would say,
Jerry, I don't know what happened to you, but you've
changed. I mean, I don't know if I at
that point. I I wasn't like a full-fledged
Christian yet, but kind of like you went through sort of these
different phases like black to Gray into white.
So that at that point was like my Gray phase because I I cried
out to God and I said God, I I cried.
I said I didn't know what was wrong.
Forgive me. I I didn't know what was wrong
God. But then I wasn't sure who God
was. Was that Jesus was that, you
know? And I wasn't sure, you know.
Who God was but I just knew I just knew that it was it was God
that that I needed to have a relationship with.
But but later on a year a year later after that my friend
invited me to church mid-september of 89 and that's
when I prayed this in his prayer and and realized that Jesus was
God and the only way to God and and I received Jesus in my heart
at that at that moment there and I I wish I could say that it was
all Peaches and roses after that but it wasn't it had lots of
hills and valleys ups and downs. But overall the the Lord I don't
know for some reason I have I think of this analogy of a cat
being dropped off being dropped off from a roof that the cat
lands on his feet. Well I feel like I'm that cat
and and the only reason why I landed on my feet was because of
Jesus was because of God because I had made some stupid mistakes.
I know you had made some mistakes before you got saved.
I made them after I got saved. Oh, no, I made them.
I made them after too. Oh, OK, you did before.
No, it wasn't. All right.
Yeah it's a long drawn out story.
Me too. Me too and and you know that
that I went on and on about about all the details and stuff
like that and and our audience for the sake of brevity probably
doesn't want to listen to all the little sort of details of of
our mistakes. But to make a Long story short,
I finally I would say I I I did have definitely, I had
definitely the conversion experience from from darkness to
light. But then I kind of went back to
my old ways and the Bible says that that if if a demon leaves
its home and it calls you your your soul, it's home.
If a demon leaves its home and and wanders around trying to
find another home but then he gets this idea aha, I'll go back
to the home from originally that that I came back and sees that
it's swept and an empty it brings back seven other worse
spirits than itself. So if you if you come to know
the Lord and you backslide then the the the last day your your
second condition can be worse than the first.
So I feel like because I backslid that I allowed some
things into my life that that that could have been avoidable.
But but thank God, like I said, the the cat analogy, I felt like
the Lord had, you know redeemed me.
And and finally I I did. I got, I went through some dark
times, very dark times from age 20 to 2728.
But I met my my husband on the Internet as well.
I put my profile on oneandonly.com and I had
actually Internet dated 9899, 2002, 1001 and so.
So February of 2001, my husband, I met and it was a couple of
dates and I kind of shrugged him off because I because he was
fairly introverted and I'm very extroverted and I'm like, oh,
he's too shy for me. I'm like, yeah, I forget it, you
know, Like I just, I just don't ever break up with somebody via
text message or e-mail. And I I sent him a message via
e-mail saying, you know, look, you're a wonderful guy, but I'm
sorry. I don't think there's chemistry.
Right. But then but then a few months
later in June or July, the Lord really started working on my
heart and I started thinking of how wonderful he was and is and
and how he has these awesome. So with introverted people, they
they do have a self-discipline and he's very caring and sharing
and just really has this really calm and stable spirit about
him. And that's something that I need
and that's something that I needed then and still need now
And as you can see. And so anyway, so I called him
up in July of O One. I think it was it was a little
after the 4th of July in 2001 and I I called him up and I'm
like, hey, do you want to go out again.
And and then we we started redating I guess.
So we've been together ever since nonstop since July of 01
and and again it hasn't it's it hasn't been a smooth ride
sometimes but there's there's been times where it was like
really smooth sailing and then there's been other times where
it was like really rough waters. But he's a wonderful Christian
husband and I'm so glad we met and we celebrated our twenty
year anniversary in June 28th and and that's totally by the
hand of the Lord. And of course we you know we
loved each other. We do still love each other and
it it's amazing how like God can bring you somebody but then he
also wants you to love that person.
Like he wouldn't bring you somebody that you weren't
attracted to you. He wouldn't bring you somebody
who you wouldn't love. So it was like it was it's both
I think so I think that right person is, is God's will.
Plus you also have to fall in love with that person too.
And of course continue loving that person through the the help
of of the Holy Spirit. You know, to give us that agape
love for that person you know, not just the passion you know,
let. Me ask you a question here, So
like during that whole period of time, I know you talked about
like you know from like 20 to like 27 it kind of being like
bumpy and what? Did you have supernatural
experiences during that time, like one or two that really
sticks out to you? And after you came to the Lord,
like did it feel like there was restriction almost as to like
the supernatural stuff that was going on was trying to keep you
from growing and finding a deeper relationship with him?
Just elaborate on that a little bit.
I'm curious to hear. Sure.
I'm sorry I didn't talk about my supernatural experiences.
So when I had actually rewind a little bit to my first
supernatural experience. So when I was when like I was a
month, a month or two after I had started going to church and
I had gotten the sleep paralysis.
So some people might know what sleep paralysis is, where if
you're head to toe just totally paralyzed and you're asleep, but
you wake up to this paralyzed condition and you can sense an
evil presence doing this to you. So that happened to me and I and
I the next the following Wednesday I went to youth group
and I had told my my other Christian youth group friends
and like, hey, could you pray for me?
And they weren't Pentecostal or anything.
They were just totally not a nominational and they all put a
hand on my shoulder or my leg or something and they prayed and
they rebuked it in Jesus name and it left.
I did not get any paralysis until I was 20.
So when I was 20, I started really, really growing in the
Lord, like I was telling everybody about Jesus.
And I unfortunately started getting the paralysis again and
I felt like it was a reprisal for growing, like it wanted to
stop me from really growing continuing to grow in the Lord.
And unfortunately I I was married once before from age 20
to 24 and and and it resulted in a divorce because my exhusband
was verbally and mentally abusive and sometimes physically
abusive. But during that that that time
frame of 2024, lots of weird slash good and bad supernatural
experiences because whatever spirits that were in my
exhusband would come to try to attack me with sleep paralysis.
Sometimes I get sleep paralysis four to six times a week, and I
believe it was because the spirits inside him were, or
around him were attacking me. I know that sounds strange, but
but I believe that's what happened.
And sometimes my exhusband would say crazy and weird and strange
things to me. You know what?
There was another one time when I I'd left them the first time
he said that he was the devil himself.
And he took his fists and he shattered his fists on this
Victorian glass lamp and the glass lamp shattered into
pieces. And it was only by the Lord that
protected me. It could it could have lodged
into my head or my eyes or whatever.
So praise God that God protected me.
But there was there was a good, interesting, supernatural
experience. But I I had, oh by the way, I
did have an out of body experience.
So when a little bit. So when I was 20.
So when I started growing stronger, the Lord, I I felt
something come up to me and like kind of like jolt me awake.
And I I had one of those lamps that were that if you touched
the lamp, any part of the any part of the metallic lamp, it
would turn on. And I remember thinking, okay,
why isn't this lamp turning on? And like there's something we
call this lamp, you know? And so then I'm like okay, I'm
freaked out. I'm going to, I'm going to go to
my dad's bedroom because he had two 2 twin beds.
And so I just proceeded to walk towards my dad's bedroom.
But instead I wasn't walking. My head was float.
I was floating down the hallway. My head was hitting the ceiling.
Not not physical, but I mean my head.
I was floating down the hallway and my head, like was near the
ceiling. And all of a sudden, like in an
instant, I was back in my body and I go and I and I I touched
the lamp and it turned on. So it was God.
For some reason, the Lord allowed this demonic spirit to
dislodge me from my body and to show me that there's a spiritual
route. That that I have a spiritual
body, evidently. But that was the last time that
that when I had. That was the last time that I
had the sleep paralysis episode where a spirit actually allowed
me to like, leave my body. It was almost as if, I don't
know. It was almost as if, like, you
know, maybe that spirit was like reprimanded for allowing me to
leave my body or something like that.
I don't know. It was weird, but but then, like
I've had sleep paralysis since then.
But but I But I'd love to focus on the good.
Too good, very wonderful, good supernatural experiences real
quick. No, I was at a healing crusade,
and I don't want to say this evangelist's name because I
believe I might get Flack for it.
But I was at, I was at. I'll tell you later, I was at
this, this, this healing, prophetic evangelist crusade in
95 and I went with my exhusband and the pastor and his wife and
a few other people and this particular evangelist, I I don't
know if he's totally right with God to be honest with you, but
sometimes God can use someone who whose theology is a little
off kilter or maybe their life isn't totally right, you know,
but God sometimes can still use that person.
So I was, I was at this crusade and and like thousands of people
were in this arena in California or the California.
And then he said, OK, everybody hold hands, you know, with with
the person to your left and to your right.
And then that he, it looked like he was throwing a Holy Spirit
baseball. And he, he threw the Holy
Spirit. I I know that sounds bizarre,
but it. But it looked like he was
throwing something at the audience, right.
And then one by one, I see rows and rows and rows of people just
fall back into their chairs. Boom, boom, boom, boom.
And I'm like, that's fake. Finally it came to my row.
I literally felt something push my sternum back and I I couldn't
stand up and I I I fell back in my chair.
So the big question is since this person's is a little off
theologically, was that a demon or was that the Holy Spirit?
I don't know. To this day I do believe it was
the Holy Spirit cuz I did feel peace.
But then of course you know we know that you know the the the
demons could come as a as a the, you know, Angel of light.
But I I do believe that it was the Holy Spirit.
But then there's that 10% of my, you know, questioning like, what
exactly was that? You know, So that was a good
supernatural experience. And then Fast forward to 2015
when I started podcasting. So Kay Carswell and I, she
passed away and she went to be with the Lord.
But so when Kay Carswell and I podcasted together doing
deception detection radio, we we had talked about holy angels as
well as evil angels. We talked about falling as well
as holy angels. And so it was interesting that
that like like a couple nights after that I I awoke to the
sound of the most beautiful angelic song.
It was not the IT was not the radio.
It was a beautiful female angelic song.
It was not the radio. It was not the TV.
I just knew it was a holy Angel, just like your daughter knew
what she saw was an Angel. And that was a very positive.
Those were two very positive experiences.
Well, the first one was like, not sure, you know, And the
second one, totally, 100% knew that was that it was a holy
Angel singing. And I know that in the Bible
many times that holy angels manifest themselves as male, but
I have to tell you that this was a female holy Angel and she was
singing so and I was right with the Lord.
So I can't, I can't imagine that it was something demonic cuz I
really did feel the Lord. So those were the two very good
supernatural experiences. But the rest are like, it's like
why don't I have to be attacked every time?
Like for doing this podcast, the enemy is probably going to
attack me, you know, as a reprisal against, you know,
getting the word of God out of there.
Because our testimonials is what really defeats the enemy.
As we know that the word of our testimonial and the blood of the
lamb, the word of our testimonial, that that defeats
the enemy and that really spreads.
And I think a lot of like what you're saying is so important
because I deal with that as well where it's like the.
The battles, like some of the stuff that goes on to be able to
do this show and to pray with people and and there's a lot of
ministry that goes on where the left hand doesn't know what the
right hand is doing. In my case, like I don't social
media lies like put everything up on social media.
I'm not on there every two or three hours doing updates.
Like I'm just like we're called to do certain things and then
there's a time and a place for the rest of it.
But what the battles that actually take place?
It is very interesting. It's very interesting.
But the word is going to tell us the remedy, exactly what to do.
Like we put on armor. And I don't mean like I'm going
to imaginarily, spiritually put on.
Like, I think when the helmet of salvation is being talked about
in Ephesians, like repentance is a change of mind.
Like, like in a change of direction.
Like we, we wash and change our mind.
So like if we're in that place of a change mind, like we are
countering whatever battlefield of the mind, whatever the arrow
with the enemy is coming against us, we're saying like, no, I am
saved by the blood of Christ. Like he is working all of this
together until the day of his his coming or I leave this
earth. However, whatever, however this
ends, he's going to work this out.
And I think a lot of the times it's like people think it's like
too lofty or too goofy, but like the reality is.
We're all battling for a mental space of something or another.
We're battling for attention. We're battling for the raise at
work. We're battling for whatever it
is, right? Oh, we want vacation.
We need to make sure all this stuff is lined up.
So it's like, well, what about battling for?
Just like proverb says, so a man thinketh he is.
If you think you're important, if you think that you're loved
and you have value, well, most likely you're going to glow like
you do. But but then beyond that, what
is God actually? Does he delight in that?
Well, he delights in faith. And the substance that was so
far. So I just think what you're
saying is important because a lot of the times we're like,
well, I'm going to call this person and ask them to pray for
me because I'm getting I'm under attack right now.
I did this podcast episode or I'm praying for these people or
this stuff is going on. God is calling me deeper into
the these places where more responsibility, you know, just
more whatever you want to call it, right?
But The thing is, it's like God tells us we work out our
salvation with fear and trembling.
So that's the choice, like we have to say.
I am strong and the Lord. I am a child of the king, right?
I'm a friend of the king. Like if you don't like me or
what I'm about or what I'm saying, you don't like him
because there's nothing actually of me that's worth any value.
Like okay testimony. That's cool, but but it's by the
blood of the lamb. And it's it's by the blood of
the lamb that I have a testimony because I wouldn't have one
without him. And so the battle is so real and
that's why I don't like. I hate trying to tell.
My testimony of stories, because there's so much and I feel
scatterbrained a lot of the time, like, I'm like, Oh my
gosh, I got to try to line up or stick to just a portion of this.
But I I also want to speak about what's edifying.
So. So I love the fact that you
just, you're transparent and you're you're willing to bring
that up and actually say, you know what, Yeah, the battle is
real. And then I think this is where
the encouragement becomes more than just is more than a podcast
right now is more than a podcast right now, because this is
actually two people. Who are chasing after the Lord
for what Our Calling is and what where he wants to lead us in the
face of a battlefield like we are on a battlefield and the
encouragement is real and his word is true.
So I want to ask you, I think we'll we'll kind of move into to
this it what what do you think the next step is like?
Like for your ministry with the podcast.
Like I know everything that you've been doing right and and
you're reaching people and stuff like that.
But has God like, worked with you in in in a space where he's
starting to reveal to you I'm calling you to this or has he
exposed any of what you would say, maybe what your gifts or or
callings are? Is there anything's a great
question, Sure. As a matter of fact, I thought
that I should transition into that because that's probably
what a lot of people want to know.
How did we get into podcasting? What inspired us?
And definitely was the Lord. So it's interesting.
I would say that my desire to do public speaking was birthed way
back, probably I would say maybe 15 years ago or something.
And my my favorite saying to my husband was that I have so much
to say but nobody will listen. So now people are listening like
you find folks thank you for listening by the way or watching
or both. So it's interesting that that
when I started listening to podcasts such as Doc Marquis who
went on to be with the Lord, he was an ex Illuminati ex warlock
and who was became Christian. So I started listening to him.
I started to listen to LA Marzily and a bunch of different
you know red pilled you know Christian Supernatural type of
podcasters. And I for some reason that a lot
of them escape my my thinking right now actually sorry Canary
car radio. So I I started listening to a
lot of Christian paranormal, Christian Supernatural or red
pill type of shows. The first one being Paratruth
radio and there so around 2014 I.
I'm sorry, let me rewind. Back in 2013 I was going.
I was taking some classes for a degree Bachelor psychology
degree for Liberty University. I just have an associate's.
But I was trying to edge towards a bachelor's degree.
But anyway, I had taken a Christian and cinematic arts
class and one of my classmates, Eric from Paratruth Radio.
He and I became friends in 2013 and became friends on Facebook.
And then 2014, I saw that he and his friend, he and his cousin
Justin had started, restarted, restarted a new podcast called
Paratooth Radio. And they were veterans in
podcasting before, like five years before or 10 years before
even that. And and they're younger guys,
so, so they're like super veterans.
So they probably started in the early 20s or something like that
doing podcasting, paranormal podcasting.
And so I thought to myself, self, you should do a podcast
one of these days. But I don't have the time.
I work full time. I I don't have the time or the
energy. I'm done at the end of the day.
You know what? At the end of the day, you know,
5530, you know, I've, I've checked out, you know, and I go
exercise and have dinner with my husband and bam, I'm going to
sleep or or at that time I was going to school.
I have no time. But then in 2015, another friend
named Channing from the Full Fledge Radio.
He invited me on his podcast on blogtalkradio.com.
And I didn't need any of this equipment at all.
No microphone, nothing. He just said to call on the
phone, right? So I just started calling on my
cell phone and one by one I started building up shows on his
show, building up episodes on his show, the full-fledged
radio. And then after I had a few shows
under my belt, I'm like, this is lovely to do it by myself.
So I prayed for the right Co host S and Kay Carnival came
along and so I got her into podcasting.
So she and I podcasted together and then we went our separate
ways and she took the torch and and lit the world on fire with
her podcast. And she has she and Kate, sorry.
She and Chad Riley together for they did podcasting for 3 1/2
years. I mean they did, they had, they
had hundreds of episodes and I just knew that it was it was a
God thing that I started her in podcast because that was
something that she had always loved, which was paranormal
radio starting when she was a little girl listening to Coast
to Coast. But anyway, to answer your
question, Fast forward to the present.
I've been podcasting since 2015 and I had different names of
Thai Girl for God Radio and Asian Grace Radio and in
November of 21. So I was by myself in 2015 all
the way to December 21. I I said Lauren, I I would
really not. I'd really love to have a cohost
again. And I I'd like a different, a
different name. Please show me what I should
name my new podcast name. Please give me a podcast name
that's different and new and interesting.
And so I was driving along, you know how And all of a sudden out
of nowhere I felt the Lord say Strange o'clock.
I'm like strange o'clock. That's really strange, right?
And but I felt like that's what the Lord wanted me to call it is
Strange o'clock podcast. And probably because you know to
the world of us Christians are strange.
And to the natural man, supernatural things are strange.
So and of course they have stranger things, you know.
And for some reason I felt like the Lord say name a stranger
cloth podcast and to to contact Michael Basham did me by cohost
and I felt like the Lord paired us up podcast wise because I'm
more Asian on the outside and more American on the inside and
he actually is more Asian on the inside and American on the
outside because he spent 15 years in China as a missionary.
And and so I felt like he he, you know, has that Asianness on
the inside and I have it on the outside.
So I felt like the Lord you know it has that had brought that
combined you know experience together.
You know that we could talk about stuff that's similar.
We've had similar guests some of the same guests like Dan Duvall
and some of there's a few others like maybe three or four of the
same guests that we've had or that I've had before.
And and so I think that there's that that need intersection of
guests that we we both share rod and also with Michael and I we
we both share several guests that I've had on my show and
he's had. And so I guess the direction I
felt like the Lord wants me to go in that I'm hesitant on is
speaking what the Lord has shown me because I do a lot of kind of
like at A at a rock concert. You know, when somebody like
crowd surfs, you know, I'm like that person on the ground, you
know, like holding up, you know, that other person crowd surfing.
But I felt like God said saying, I want your voice whatever I'm
speaking to you. And through you, I want your
voice to be out there. And I'm like, oh, I'm sort of
bashful and shy about it. You know what if somebody calls
me a heretic or whatever. You know, because there's
there's some people who who say, oh you know, you know God isn't
doesn't give any new revelation these days.
You know God isn't speaking through people these days.
He's you know, if you want to hear from God you've got to just
read the book the Bible aloud. And and yes, that is partially
true. But I do believe that in the
book of Acts when it says that these gifts are for your
children and your children's children and those who are far
off, we are those who are far off.
The book of Acts never died. You know I'm I became a
Pentecostal Christian when I was 20 and that's probably why the
enemy was trying to suppress me and and I I do believe in
healing and deliverance and tongues and what have you.
I know some of you might disagree but that's okay.
But it's not. Those things are not self
effect. But I believe that it does
bolster our faith and and we could be you really powerhouses
for the Lord you know. But even if you if, even if you
don't believe the same way the Lord you know still uses people
that don't have those you know aren't operating in those things
that I just mentioned. But I feel like the Lord wants
me to to give words of knowledge and words of wisdom out to
people. And I'm a little hesitant
because I have some friends that are they're skilled in
apologetics and they're skilled in exposing the false doctrine
and everything. And I just, I guess I I
shouldn't fear. But but I I get concerned that
might be lumped into that if I if I say okay, I feel like
somebody's listening right now that is struggling with you
know, this and that sin or whatever.
You know what I mean? You know, have ever seen those
people on TV? I feel like God abuse us still,
but I didn't hesitate because I have some friends that actually
call those types of people heretics and I'm like, do I want
to be labeled? Mislabeled.
What you're saying is important because I think a lot of people
were in the mind frame, but somebody said this to help me
with that as well because I was in the similar boat where it's
like. Well, I don't have all this
figured out, and I'm hesitant on sharing even some of my own
testimony because I haven't prayed about each snippet of it.
I haven't brought it before the Lord and ask for clarity and
everything. So I'm like, well, some of it is
just for me, some of it is for edification purposes, right?
But we have an audience of 1, so if we're in tune with God and
he's, He's pricking our hearts or knocking on the door of our
soul. Right.
Hey, I want you to say this to them.
God, I can't do that. They're not going to look right
if if we're in that kind of dialogue just refocusing on we
have an audience of 1. Like God is watching and we're
we're a child to him. We we have value beyond beyond
measures that we would use. Our templates don't don't come
close to the value that God sees in us.
I wish just like the Apostle Paul said that that we the
Saints would know the length of depth of breath and the height
and I believe that's multiple folded.
I I believe that can be unpacked in in many ways and still be
accurate. But what I would say to you,
just as, you know, I see what you have put in like the The
First Round Table episode, I was ever on that you were behind the
scenes orchestrating that you were doing that.
You had the heart to get people together.
And God is using you in ways and it.
And it's interesting because sometimes when we feel like
we're just kind of sitting there and everybody's zooming around
us or oh man, they just blew up this quick or that show just
grew this fast or whatever. Well, God has a season for you
and he has a calling for you and he has people for you to reach
that they can't reach. And sometimes the wisdom from
learning what maybe didn't work for those people who went too
fast. Is going to be a part of the
recipe that keeps you in it for the longer for like the the
bigger stage or the OR the better stage, Like really
helping sending up God's glory by being available, by being
obedient and available to what he wants to do.
And I see that with you, Peach. Like I see you have this heart
to just recognize other people and to really just take.
You know this place where it's like you're serving like in a
place of just joy in your heart promoting other people and just
not judging other people and really not wanting to be like
lumped in with any one click in particular.
I see this with you, I see your post, I listen to your podcast.
We, you know, we've been in and out of communication since the
round table that was that was done almost nine months ago I'd
say at this point. But just remember you have an
audience of 1 first and if he's pleased with it.
He's the one that opens the floodgate for you to reap,
whether it's 30 or 50 or 100, whatever.
Whatever his plan is for you to reap that nothing nothing can be
taken away from you. So so helpful and encouraging.
Absolutely. And I I definitely resound that
same back to you for sure. And and we both have an audience
of 1 for sure and and if we please him, that's the most
important thing. That's the all-encompassing
important thing. And as a byproduct if somebody
gets saved or edified or encouraged or what have you then
then that's definitely like a runoff from the blessing that
that you know we want to give to God.
God gives to us. It's all worth it for sure.
Amen for sure. Absolutely.
So let me ask you this real quick.
What? What's one of the most like?
What What's your favorite episode that you've created?
Like, like, what's that one interview where it's like you
actually go back on a rainy day and listen to it and you're
like, oh, this is the one, You know, like, like for all the
years of podcasting or what would that one go to?
I have to say, I love all of our guests that were on our show,
but the one that popped into my head the most in which was open
to the public. It was controversial in a good
way. It was just in the fall of the
former 4th Watch radio. Do you know who does the Fall
is? I've heard of them.
I actually ordered some DVD sets, I'd say in like 2019 or
2020, where I believe he was involved in the production.
And I've heard the name thrown around, but I can't put a face
to it. Yeah, gotcha.
So he so lately he's been doing documentaries with his brother
Westfall and he has some amazing videos on Vimeo, like one called
The Hollow Earth, another one that exposes America's dark I'll
be at Freemasons Satanic roots and there's there's two other
ones I forget. So I think there's a total of
four ordered. Some DVD's I'm trying to
remember. It's like on the tip of my
tongue what it was called me too.
So he. Interviewed Tom Horne.
And like Derek Gilbert, a couple of different people in like
these different settings. And he was talking about like
some secret societies or something like that.
Yeah, I know, I know. Who you're talking about?
Yeah, you know I'm talking about, right?
Yeah, so. But when he was doing more of
the podcasting and not so much of the documentaries.
So he and Kay Carswell, my former Co Hostess who's went on
to be with Lord and I did a show on Giants and that was on blog
talk radio and we did not know what we were getting involved,
what we were getting ourselves into.
So when Channing had opened the floodgates, there was a man and
and again, I was just a facilitator.
So I wasn't a debater or anything like that.
I didn't. I didn't do the biblical defense
of Giants and Nefa Lim, but Justin did.
So this this dude, this older dude calls him and he says he
says, well you know, angels don't have genitals, right?
And he said, Sir, he said, well angels don't have genitals or
and and then he Then Justin asked him what will he ever have
you ever seen an Angel with his pants down.
And so but he did a really good biblical defense that the in
Genesis 6 that the the sons of God who are the fallen angels
had saw that the Dodgers went little, beautiful and and had
sex with them. Their their their children were
the nephalem were the giants. Because that flies in the face
of 90% of what's taught in seminary that that the sons of
God were the righteous men of Seth and the daughters of men
were the daughters of Cain. And that doesn't make any sense
because when you get human man versus human woman or human man
plus human woman, their offspring shouldn't be the
anomalous giants men ever known. Nephilim or what have you.
And but it wasn't, it wasn't debate.
I'll have to send you the link sometime.
I mean, I might put the link in the show notes or something so
people can listen. Yeah, send it to me so I can
listen to it. And I definitely want to add
that to the show notes. I think that's awesome.
That's the one that pops into my head the most.
Just not because they are more important than the other guests
we've had. It's just that that was at the
beginning of when I first started podcasting and not the
first one. That was like maybe the 7th,
1:00. I've done and and and also it
was like what the beginning of my podcasting and it was open to
the public. I have never fielded questions
from the public before. It was just that episode and and
so folks, I, I if any, if there's any podcasters out
there, I do not recommend that you allow callers to call in
unless they're fielded, unless they're vetted by like an
assistant or something. But it wasn't.
It was amusing. It was really amusing though,
but more than anything it really it the the, the controversy or
the conflict actually showed Justin Fall.
He really just really hit a home run with the apologetics, you
know, regarding the the biblical origins of of the giants.
And so I think that's why it stuck out to my mind the most.
How about you? What's the one that sticks out
in your in your head the most? Or the top two or so?
Yeah, I mean. So I was asked like a similar
question and normally what I'll do in my mind is I'll go back to
like the the very beginning of like podcasting.
Like there was these like inclemental moments where it's
like I really understood something significant was
happening. So like I shared about when my
sister came on and like shared this hat man experience that she
had. And I think what was so cool
about that is like. Here, like, we grew up in this
old, famous Philadelphia farmhouse.
There's a bunch of history in the house that I grew up in.
And my sister, when she was younger, had this hat man
experience. She sees this hat man at the top
of, like, I think at the third, yeah, the third story of the
house and that that was talked about like, just with, like,
friends and family, like like minutely, right.
And then over the years, it was kind of like, kind of forgotten
about, like every once in a blue moon, somebody would bring it up
or something like that. But.
That that was a moment where I interview her in season one.
She shares different like dreams and stuff that she's had shares
the hat man experience. It felt good.
She got it off her chest. I felt good capturing it.
And like, we aired it all out. So that was like a moment where
I'm like and then I looked and I'm like, I'm not a numbers guy.
I don't look at numbers. I don't work with people.
Based upon how many numbers or popularity.
I think that that's nonsense. I think that that's people just
looking for. For reputation over who our
audience of 1 is concerned. But that episode got some
downloads, and I'm like, well, then people will listen.
Like people are actually interested, you know, because it
was kind of weird to be like, oh, I'm a Christian and I've
seen a ghost like here or there, like a few years ago.
Now it's just like, you know, everybody and anybody is talking
about it now, just people randomly have all different
positions and spectrums of like importance all the way down to.
The basic person next door. I'll have a story to tell now,
but I but I think that was like a really big moment.
And there's a couple others. I mean, like, knock my socks off
guests. I'd say Doctor Laura obviously,
but because there's back story with her too.
So it's like not just an e-mail And then oh, I'm hearing her
voice for the first time. I go through like this really
dark place where, you know, we lose the house, our first house
we're buying. Because of like some some coding
stuff and well and whatever, right?
It doesn't go through. And then my wife's in a car
accident and I lose half my income all within like a two
week span. This is 21.
So like Doctor Laura who was like scheduled to come on, we're
emailing. We had like I think maybe one or
two phone calls. At that point I cancel
everything and she actually is like, I felt like in the spirit,
something's going wrong here. So she actually takes time.
To pray and encourage me. And there's like, no microphone
on, right? But behind the scenes, it's like
she's sharing with me and experiences she had years ago.
And you know, she, she almost fell apart and lost everything.
And like how she's like, you just focus on God, just the
encouragement focusing on God. And just so like she comes on
the show, like, I think the podcast has ended.
I kind of played around with the waters a little bit.
Should I start it? But God, I didn't get the green
light everyone's telling me. So I'm like, Nope, I'm not
really feeling it. And then all the sudden, like
something, you know, I get the green light pretty much from
God, He's like, OK, start the show back up because there was
too much going on in my private life.
The podcast was not more important than the condition of
my household. It was not more important than
the condition of my household. Like, that's my ministry first.
So I put the podcast on the side and then things got a little bit
better. And then God was like, OK, go
with it. So when Doctor Laura came on, it
was just like months. Like I'm, you know, months and
months of all this going on and I seen.
The the the diligency of just trusting God's voice and walking
through dark and hard times that he'll he'll actually bring you
to where you thought you were just about to be, but he might
test you along the way. So I think that that was like,
knocked my socks off personally. But there's every episode of
being something to me, like, I don't air just anything on the
Millennium Mustard Seed. I've literally had people say,
why did you have this person on? Why did you cover this kind of
content? And I'm going.
Listen. Yes, of course.
But. But my thing is, is I want to
capture what I see people are doing right?
I don't want to, like, make episodes on like like like God
is going to correct people. The ministries that are not
supposed to be here, the podcasts that are not supposed
to be here will not be long until they are off the grid and
forgotten. And I don't say that of
boldness. I say that because God is not
pleased with certain things and certain things he is pleased
with. And the things that move
forward, he's going to make that known as time goes on.
And the things that he's not pleased with, he's going to
disassemble it. But the thing that that I was
starting to understand was I didn't want.
It's not my job to be disciplined in people.
If if somebody's in Christ and they're doing something real
crazy, it is. I believe it's the body's job to
be like, yo, listen, this is where you at, like what's really
going on here. But just because somebody's a
little bit theologically different in a sense or maybe
they take the satellite view, I'm not going to.
It's not my job to write a book about everything they're doing
wrong. If I capture something, they are
doing right. And I really feel and I pray
about it and I'm watching and I'm, I'm watching in the
background and I'm going, okay, God, This is a good thing that
they're standing for. I want to capture that because I
believe we all have a little something wrong and we all have
a little something right. I don't discriminate.
I don't care if you're a theologian.
I don't care if you're the guy next door.
We all have a little something wrong and we all have a little
something right. And God gave me that in
confidence. I say that I don't care who
would be on the receiving end of that.
In the humility and the confidence and the meekness,
we're all moving towards a deeper revelation of who Christ
is and what he's about to do. So with that kind of stuff, I
just air well on the show what I feel like I'm capturing as good
and beautiful. And like, I like just any
conversation. If it gets the green light from
God, I air it. You know what I mean on that?
It's that kind of thing where it's like, OK, this is going to
help somebody, but I think there's there's over
entertainment in a lot of ways too.
I think a lot of people are just way more concerned with
entertainment or popularity. Am I covering a topic that is
popular? I can see other people covering
it or is it really like there's loose ends here.
This is helpful for my journey and I know it's going to affect
other people. So I think that's that's
important that that's really important as a podcaster,
because I've said already and I'll say it again, I don't know
if I'll be podcasting in six months from now or in two years
from now. I have learned it is better to
just say okay, God, continue to prepare me for what's next
because I do not want the whooping if I try to run or say
no like that hurts, there's enough going on, I don't want to
be with you. So hopefully that encourages
somebody out there as well as is being malleable to where God's
calling us and what he's choosing to do.
But then also recognizing the mouthpiece has a function in the
body and we can't, you know, we can't try to negate certain
functions of the body and no wonder why the body Christ isn't
firing on all cylinders. So when we do have something to
share, when it is edifying, when it is for our learning, our
rebuke or just I hate to say entertainment because of the
entertainment industry, but there there should be healthy
entertainment for Christians. Like we need alternative things
to go to and listen to, whether it just be some good clean humor
or just conversations. Like somebody wants to wash the
dishes, Somebody's washing the dishes right now and they just
want to listen to me and you talk and share our stories.
Like, that's cool. That's better than what the
world wants to recycle. So I believe there's a time and
space for all this and I and I really like and enjoy what you
do. And I recognized, you know,
you're doing stuff behind the scenes and just really promoting
people and being positive and and, you know, just not being
unashamed of the gospel. So really it's an honor to have
been on this episode with you and just to get to know you
better and to collaborate and and just share our stories.
So super cool. That's awesome.
I'm very honored and blessed with being in this collaboration
podcast with you, and it's amazing how the Lord brings
people together. I think that we had met through,
I believe, Blurry Creatures. Is that correct?
No, actually you started that message group or something like
that for after the William Ramsey roundtable episode.
So really somebody, I think it was Chris.
He's he. Cracked me in on that.
Yeah, he added me and I'm like, this is going on.
What world did I just enter into?
There's like all these other pockets.
There's some stuff going on. But there was this like nine
person panel where I was invited to join with William Ramsey.
William is and I know who Chuck from fire theft is.
So I'm like, yeah, sure, I'll join.
At least know two of these people and then kind of got
introduced to you from that point in time is the first time
I really seen your face heard your show or anything.
So that was the starting point. What was what you had put
together with Michael Basham and and everybody else to do that
round table episode. That's how That's how I.
Found OK. OK.
That's great. I'm glad.
I'm glad that you mentioned that that it was Chris Price that
invited you into the Christian podcast group and I know that
that's not all inclusive of every Christian podcaster.
So if you're listening out there and.
And you? We haven't collaborated, please
send us a message. We would love to hear from you
for sure. You can send it to
strangeoclock@yahoo.com. Or do you have an e-mail that
they can send something to you? Yeah, actually in my show notes
I have the e-mail address on the website
butitsr.j.a.j.smith77@icloud.com. Okay.
So they can e-mail you? Yeah, let me make sure I got
that right. This sounds crazy, but I don't
even know. It's okay.
I could look it up. I do like show notes and stuff
all the time. I don't.
Well, that's right. It'll be in the show notes of
your e-mail. And yeah, I got it right, just
RJ ajsmith77icloud.com if somebody wants to reach out to
me. But in the episode Show Notes
you guys will find, I'll do links for anybody that I have on
or just like brief. I'll write out a brief
description of what the episode's about, and in this
case, you'll be able to find. For one, this airs on my show.
You'll be able to find a strange o'clock podcast.
What What Peach is Doing. Michael Bash and what they're
doing over there is really cool. They've had some awesome guests
on. So for my listeners, all the
mustards, see faith out there. We're we're small and a strong
community. You guys don't understand the
significance of this core group of just just us who who are
loving the Lord and listening to all these podcasts over here.
Keep praying for me and for their show and go over and show
them some loves. The five star ratings and
reviews for them and you guys got some awesome guests that I
was like, man, I was kind of blown away by a couple of those
episodes. I was like, wow, that really
helped me get through the week. The Deliverance episode I forget
was Steve, I want to say. Was it?
Steve Harmon, Yeah, Steve Harmon, yeah.
There's a couple episodes. I was like, wow, that's good.
I listened to podcasts, but I don't listen to, like, a ton of
different podcasts anymore. Like as time goes on, I listen
to less and less and I'm like, right, right.
Reading or audible listening to like audio books or just sure
getting wild in my own mind. Like I gotta create some cool
content here. Like I get ideas where I'm like
this would be hilarious or this needs to be covered.
Right, right. Awesome.
And I I forgot to tell you how much I enjoyed that your
conversation with Doctor Laura Singer.
I really, I really liked that episode and that was really
heartfelt. And I really, I really like any
shows she does, especially the show that you did with her.
I really like that. That's definitely one of my
favorites. Like four times I think now we
covered matters. Awesome.
Yeah, we covered on breaking, breaking, iniquity and stuff
like that, and then the spiritual mapping, the Nephilim
agenda and then we she was on real recently actually, I think
a month or two ago I dropped it and it was the fear of the Lord
in defeating giants. And each one of them is just
like, man, this is crazy. You definitely have great
episodes and I love the guests that you've interviewed.
I I'd. I need to catch up, but I
listened to the last two with Dan de Waal, which is definitely
a heavy hitter, and also the one with Enoch Putrice, our mutual
friend. And then I've listened to four
or five shows before that, and each one of them have been
amazing. You're one of the best Christian
hosts that I've heard. You're very warm and friendly
and you're very honest and authentic and I'm really
blessed. And impressed by by your podcast
and and you in general you you definitely are a man of
character it and some would say for a millennial but you but you
really stand out among your peers for sure and and so glad
that that you're that you're a voice for this your generation
and you're really speaking faith to them because every generation
whether a through Z needs the Lord Jesus and and I think that.
There's not enough people that that give millennials or or even
the younger generations kudos, you know, for for having faith
and and yes it's you know, faith and going to church and reading
the Bible and have a relationship with Jesus.
It seems to be dwindling, you know, less and less, but at the
same time it's more and more so. So, so yes, there's only like
10% of Generation Y&Z that has like biblical Christian faith.
But out of that 10%, oh boy, those people are on fire for
Jesus And and it's, you know, the as, as the Bible says, a
remnant will be saved. And even if it is, you know
however many you know that is. But, but that whatever 10 or 20%
of people can can you know light the world on fire and and share
the love and passion of Jesus. You know with with those people,
you know, whether it's podcasting or Youtubing or tik
toking, you know there's there's young people.
As a matter of fact, I I know that this young couple now, my
gosh, I was blown away by Nick and Alyssa Dawson and.
And they're. I think they're in their late
20s. I'm not sure.
But they used to be prayer counselors for Pastor Vlad
Savchuk's ministry and then they win people to the Lord through
TikTok And like I'm not even doing that.
I just put out podcasts. I mean, but he's on the phone
with them. Like I don't know about now, but
I I think now but but I know that he he was at least and he
might be still be doing now talking to people for like 4
hours a day who are saying that they're suicidal.
Or they're you know on drugs and they want to get off drugs and
and they they are have questions about Jesus.
They have questions about God and like Oh my gosh, I need to
be present for people. I really want to switch gears
and not just put out shows, but also to be to really be
interactive with people And and I think that part of it would be
probably getting on some of these platforms where there's a
lot of younger people like TikTok.
And and things like that. But anyway.
But it was wonderful collaborating with you.
Rod. Once again I'm so blessed by
your testimonial and interacting with you and I do hope and pray
that that this does reach people and and plan to seed in their
hearts or or a strange millennial mustard seed in their
hearts. We'll have to do this again in
in the future and I love to talk with tell Michael Bash and I
said what's up and I hope he's doing well.
I see his lives every once in a while and I'll jump on.
And he's always like the Mustard Seed is here watching me.
And I was like, I love his personality, I think.
He's Oh yeah. He's got a he's a cool guy.
So I would love to talk with him at some point in time in the
future both of both of you. And thank you for being cool and
being you. And you, you have so much to
offer the Kingdom and I'm just excited to see what God does
moving forward with the Strange podcast so.
And vice versa. I'm excited to see what the Lord
is using, how the Lord is using you.
And I can see He has and and I can see The Who will continue to
to use you to to reach people through your direct message,
your direct testimonial, as well as that your guest that you have
on there. So kudos to you and and.
Absolutely. And and I mean every bit of it
and Michael and I would love to have you on again to to talk
about some other topic if you want.
And we'll have to pray about it and chat about it.
But thank you so much for listening and watching the this
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