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Welcome to episode 116 of RU Quizzing Me.
And yet again we have another guest episode.
HK, our most frequent guest, our saviour stepping in.
Maybe not saviour but scapegoat at this point I think.
Scapegoat. Let's not reveal trade secrets
to everybody. Or trivia question.
Or trivia questions. So this is an episode and after
a while I believe and I think you have some great questions
for us. So why not start us off with
your first question? OK, I noticed one thing that
amongst like, you know, as a team and maybe when Adi and I
were talking about it just before the episode also like we
don't have a good sense of like what kind of questions have been
asked and are you quizzing me so far?
They definitely think like, you know, textiles and fabrics and
stuff like that. No, but I have been going down
some rabbit holes recently. So here's a question and
hopefully you'll be able to answer.
Let's see, this word means to bind in several Malayo
pollination languages. So you know in that region,
Southeast Asia region, right? So it refers to a process of
resist dyeing. So do you know what resist
dyeing is? No idea, no idea.
So what happens is you take the yarns of threads that you're
going to weave and you tie like something over it, like in
specific spots, and then you die.
Right. When you unbind it, you have the
colour in certain spots and not in others.
So you can kind of imagine doing this in like, you know, complex
ways and that's you can create different pattern.
While the origin of this term may be Southeast Asian, this
technique has kind of evolved independently in several other
regions, including India. So kind of it's a 2 parter.
The first part is what is this word?
Singapore also, it's popular, but not so much.
It's much more popular in Indonesia and Malaysia.
Now this particular word you will see.
Is this? Bhartic, no.
Bhartic is also a form of resist dyeing, but it's a different
thing. But there it's not the fabric.
So in Bhartic what they do is they put wax I think, or
something, and then you kind of create a negative imprint.
This is happening on the thread itself, not on the finished
fabric, on the finished V garden.
But think words like Baathik. So there's another Baathik is 1.
Then there's another word which also kind of like, you know,
it's similar sounding to Baathik.
Oh, sounds similar, like similar letters or rhyming or something
like that. I'll tell you it's a four letter
word. Baathik has all the letters in
this word also, so I don't know how else to say similar
sounding. Got it, got it.
It's just going to be doing permutations over here. 4
letters out of the five letters of Baathik.
Yeah. None of them seem to be very
familiar. OK sorry can I go back to so you
said the thread is tie dyed. I guess the tie dyeing is not a
different thing, but. Yeah.
So this word means to tie, basically.
Yeah. So this word means to tie.
OK, So how you will hear it is you won't hear it of course, in
this process, but there are many things that are made using this
technique, right? So they're all classified as
this fabrics, right? You know, for example, with
Baathik, you will maybe hear like this style of pajama is a
Baathik style pajama like. And in India also, there are
several regions actually that have specialized in this resist
dye. And I'm going to ask you the
follow up questions actually about one specific.
Region you have you have found niche, niche that we have not
really tapped into. The one of the first few
questions I remember from maybe our first or second episode had
to do with the fabrics. But okay, I'm gonna say because
it's a Thai, yeah, Thai car. I'm guessing I'm just getting
guessing it now. It's so ikat is the word ikat.
Never heard of the term. No, no, ikat needs to tie.
And so they you hear ikat style. Got it.
One famous this thing is called Pochampalli ikat in India, for
example, like just go look it up.
Very beautiful fabrics that you know, have this particular like,
you know, very. So there's a very distinctive
sort of pattern that comes with ikat.
Right, right. The question I'm going to ask
you, so this is another GI recognize woven art style from
Gujarat. And this employs not a single
but a EE cut. There's a term they use, they
call it warp and the weft, it's like the coordinate axis of the
weaves, right? Sure.
One side is called warp, the other side is called weft.
So in this you resist type both. So then you kind of create like
this very intricate patterns by, you know, doing this.
So this technique uses this EE cut.
It's one of the probably the most like kind of expensive hand
loom fabrics you can probably find at least the, you know, the
handmade ones because it just takes a crazy amount of time to
do this. Generally.
It's a it's known for sarees. So like imagine a saree's size
and you have to kind of trace out the 2D.
It's like a 2D graph. Like that's how they start.
Apparently they start with like grit paper kind of things that
you see and then like someone like meticulously, like, you
know, colors like or draws the pattern on these and then
someone follows that and for all the threads, they will tie it in
that appropriate places. Then they'll have to dye it in
like, you know, not one, but like multiple colors.
So imagine like the complexity. You should go look at some of
these patterns and then imagine how much effort went into making
this, you know, in this particular technique.
So do you know this GI tag style of weaving from Gujarat?
No, you're asking the absolute wrong person.
No idea, no knowledge in this sphere whatsoever.
But Gujarat. Is it a city name then?
I guess because GI tag. Is it a city name we're looking
for? Just two words in this
basically. So one is place name, I don't
know whether it's a city now. The other one is basically again
means like, you know, silk work effectively in like, you know,
one language. Got it.
It's an alliterative name. It's a kind of very nice
sounding name also, one might say.
And it's one of the most expensive hand loom fabrics.
That's what say with royalty, like, you know, it's one of
those things like, you know, if you have this, you will pass it
down like as your, you know, inheritance sometimes because
that's how expensive some of these can be.
OK, so you said not necessarily a city, which makes you think it
isn't like a Ahmedabad, Baroda, Surat, Gandhinagar type of
thing. Yeah, something smaller and
alliterative royalty. Nice sounding.
And the word, the second word, which was to do with the dyeing,
I believe, was it. Silk work, because it's
typically made in silk. So I think, yeah, silk work,
that's what it means. Silk work, that is a Gujarati
word. Yeah, it is a Gujarati word.
Yeah, my Gujarati is not that good because it's a Pochampally.
I'm thinking Amrapali is coming to mind, but that's not Gujarat
at all. Palli means it's like, you know,
it's Andhra Pradesh most like, right?
Correct, Correct. Some place in Tamil Nadu also
have that name. We have mutual friend who has a
middle name. Palli.
Yeah, she told me this, her middle name, and she's over
here. Stands for village or Town, I
believe. See, so that's so that's
probably the suffix, right? It's like it has a poacham
palli. It's like poacham village
probably, right. So it's like, yeah, it's the
same, right? Yeah.
Digestion society, like. Hey, what is a Gujarati word
that I'm missing? Yeah.
Wow. No, dude, this is this is not
something I know at all. Give me a hint or something
maybe? Again, one of the things you
probably know it or you don't know it.
OK, before you give me, before you give me the full name, give
me one of the words. I'll see if I know the second
one maybe. OK, I'll give you the not the
place there. Maybe the place name you can
find, it's Patola. Patola.
Sorry. So something Patola.
Have you ever heard that rings a bell or no?
It was a proper patola, but that's a song.
It's another word that starts with PE only.
Oh yeah, I lived in Gujarat for a few years.
I'm embarrassed. I don't even know this.
Talk to your mom and ask her like I'm sure she'll be able to
tell you a lot more about this then I.
Will then my mom. My sister probably knows because
she studied design in Ahmedabad. This sent this clip to her.
How I'm letting her down P Patan code No that's.
Not Patan Patola. So it's not Patan code, but it's
Patan. Patan I have heard of this.
I have heard of this. See see you have heard of this.
So there they do this. Very fancy dying with the with
the threads and. Double Ikat yeah, you should see
like some videos on how they make it.
It's crazy, you know, so basically they take individual
yarns, right? So if you imagine how a saree is
made, it's like, you know, these these two kind of cross sections
knitted together, right? Imagine that.
So you take kind of it's like every row literally of the sari
can imagine it as like an individual groups of threads.
You have to bind and tie and then do this for every the
detail that is there in it. And then you can just see how
it's made now. I love that.
OK, great. That is, you know what HK a very
unexpected question. It did not have anything to do
with the, the Ottomans or the. Those are coming later for Delhi
street names. This is not a space I was ready
to go into, but I'm glad you took me there.
Yeah, you know what? This is a good reminder of how
many things there are still to explore in terms of trivia.
Yeah. Though the first episode of the
second episode question I was recalling earlier had to do
with, and I think I've asked this in a quiz back in college,
so you might have seen it then as well.
A visual question back when I asked it in college.
And was the map of the world and different points in the world
were marked out. And you're supposed to say what
connects all of these? And the answer was that all of
these are places after which some sort of either a clothing
item or or textile is named. Yeah.
Muslim is in Iraq. So Muslim comes from there.
Yeah. Yeah.
Kashmir is Kashmir.
Yeah.
And I think the one that Vineet
caught on to because I said a few other names, which he was
probably not too sure of. When is it Calicut?
Calico, is that as a Calicut, right?
Yeah. Dungri, after which Dungri's are
named. Yeah, yeah.
Bermudas. Bermudas are named after the
country. Yeah.
Denim is named after a place in France.
Names right? Jerseys are named after jersey
in the UK. Yeah.
Jeans Jeans is named after Genoa in Italy.
So, yeah, and I think I had asked like very early about like
broadcasting and like, you know, like how farming has like a lot
of words in English language come from farming.
Similarly, a lot of idioms and stuff come from weaving also.
Because again, it's one of those activities that has been there
for a very long time and kind of seeped into like, you know, so
many things like the warp and the left, for example, I think
is used as like idiom like, you know, it means like entirety.
Garden, Garden. So maybe it's sometimes
etymology you can go down for, you know, terms that come from
weaving. Endless, endless rabbit hole
there. But OK, coming back to our
questions and since you took us to Southeast Asia, which regular
listeners know both you and I have lived in for a while.
Another thing that we have shared that neither of us shares
anymore, just like Southeast Asia and that has to do with the
computer sciences that the technology space which you have
still something to do I the only technology I do is record this
podcast. Tell me the name of this
particular technique in software engineering where a programmer
explains their code step by step in natural language, either
allowed or in writing to reveal mistakes and misunderstandings
while explaining it to dash. OK Dash debugging is the
debugging technique in software engineering where a programmer
basically explains the code and as simplistic and natural
language as possible to dash or to X, after which the debugging
technique is named. What is this debugging
technique? I mean, we didn't think I was
thinking like something like pseudo code and whatnot, but
that doesn't seem to make sense. So I mean, and, and there's like
the more recent developments you can say it's like, you know,
it's like you're talking to ChatGPT or one thing.
So maybe if you're looking at it too recently, then is it like
LLM decoding or debugging? But there you probably don't
even need to explain it in plain text.
I don't think it's either of those.
So maybe it's like, you know, maybe you're talking to a
mirror, you're explaining it to yourself.
Or is it like, you know, some subconscious thing that you're
trying to do? Well, you're you're warm in the
sense that it isn't another person that you're talking to,
if that makes sense. Oh, OK, yeah, wait, it's it's
like bouncing ideas of the wall, right?
It's something. Is it something like that?
Because you're not talking to anybody else.
It is, in the end of, at the end of the day, speaking to a wall.
But I'm talking about a very specific X over here that you're
explaining the code to, right? What is X?
Clippy. Very nice.
OK, so Clippy is a great guest. Think of something ridiculous
would be my advice and I'll give you I'll give you a hint for
this. On 1st April 2018, April Fool's
Day, Stack Exchange a pretty popular website for for
exchanging tech ideas. I guess they had an April Fool's
joke called Dash Overflow, right?
And let me clarify, Sorry, because the dashes might be
confusing. When I said the X debugging
style, this dash is Y. OK, so X is a debugging style
where you explain it to X. Here they called it Y overflow.
But Y&X are related. Y is basically as close to
synonymous as it gets to X. OK, so you associate Y with X
very very linearly. You know what, I I might have
actually seen this go live on April 1st, 28 because I was
still a programmer back then. So I and we used to discuss
these things that are like start up a lot, probably something
overflow interesting. And if if you know what that
overflow always refers to, the common phrase buy rhymes with
the word that is commonly used. Stack Overflow, right?
That's what we see. Stack overflow, correct?
Stack overflow. Yeah, yeah, right.
That's the name of the website alsostackoverflow.com.
Right. So This is why rhymes with
stack. It's like something like needle
in a haystack. Is that what we're looking for,
Something like that? Needle in a haystack overflow.
I love that. No, but it's not that.
Oh, is it Jack and Jill kind of thing?
Is it, is it like Jack overflow and Jill or something?
But no but no but. You are.
We are on the right track. You're thinking of rhyming.
Is it a proper noun? It's not a proper noun.
It's not a proper noun, I'll tell you.
It's not even a fictional human character.
OK. It's not even a fictional
specific character. It's not a specific character
we're looking at. Right, right, right, right,
right, right. So when they had that April
Fool's joke, this what would happen?
X avatar appeared in the bottom right corner of the screen,
listen to the user problems and pretended to type solutions only
to respond with a simple. Y OK.
And that is how X&Y are connected.
Basically, Y is the sound that X would make.
It's a rise with stack and it's like something whimsical.
Effectively, that's the that's kind of what we're going for,
right? Basically, yeah.
And it's like, it's like kind of like, you know, you're talking
to yourself, something like that.
So. Why is the sound that X makes?
If it's, is it a crack or something?
Think of an animal sound. X is a type of.
Animal, So what pet would they be talking to that like you
know, like what pro that's programmers supposedly have?
That's the other thing also, right, Like it's like it's a
play at like what what you have in the yes.
It is something that a programmer might be carrying
around with them, so it's not an actual animal.
Can I give you like what timeline?
Like what it's a pop culture reference something in the sense
like it's like something that is it something that programmers
get even now or it's like one of those things that's like was
popular at like in a particular Mileu or.
No, no, no, no. I don't think every programmer
or you definitely a meta programmer who carries it.
People in an office setting might have it near them.
Maybe it's kind of like a stress ball but in animal shape.
What would they have that is animal shaped and that makes a
sound OK? I'll give you one more hint.
The reason in 2018 they probably used this was because in 2017
this X had become a popular protest symbol in a lot of
places across the world. Squeegee a duck is it?
So what's the what's the sound? Quack, quack duck.
OK, wow. OK, so so it's called duck
debugging, is it? So it's called rubber duck
debugging. Rubber duck.
Ah, rubber. OK, but I remember this wasn't
one of our recommended books. I don't think I ever read it,
but it's called The Pragmatic Programmer and it's a popular
book in college courses for software engineering, right?
Where apparently there was a story of a programmer who used
to carry a rubber around and explained the code to the duck
every time line by line whenever they felt like they were not
able to debug it. So they would hold the duck up
to the screen and explain it to them and be like oh this is what
this line does, this is what this line does.
And till they found what the problem was, well, rubber duck
debugging. And when they used it in Stack
Exchange for an April Fool's joke, they called it a quack
overflow. And the rubber duck avatar would
appear and then you would tell it your problems that it will
try to solve, like it show you the typing thing, but in the
end, it'll just make a quack sound.
Yeah. Rubber duck was a proper popular
protest symbol. I don't know if you remember a
few years ago, it was being used to.
It was used in Belgrade. It was used in Brazil, in
Moscow. So it was quite a few places in
2017. It was being used in Bangkok in
2020. I remember this in 2013, China's
great firewall, they blocked searches for big yellow duck
because Chinese activists, and I love Chinese activists for doing
this, were photoshopping the rubber duck onto the tank.
Man photo of the Tiananmen Square massacre, right, right.
The in China it was blocked for a while.
You couldn't even search for big yellow duck on on their Internet
anymore. So it's like how probably Winnie
the Pooh is also like, you know, similarly sort of.
Another, another very famous example.
Yeah. Yeah.
Because of the resemblance to Xi Jinping.
So yeah, that's rubber duck debugging.
And if you ever decide to go back to tech, you have something
to help you. Yeah, maybe to encourage you to
go back to tech, it's another tech adjacent question like you
know, so it just happened that way.
I am glad, I'm glad. Please help me with it.
So there's a 2 parter again, so you know, and it's another
interesting sort of like, you know, 1 connect to the other
sort of thingy. So this is a device that when
fitted onto a loom, right? Like a weaving loom simplifies
the process of manufacturing textiles with complex pattern.
It revolutionized like viewing as well to something because it
made like complex patterns a lot easier to do and also is set to
inspired Charles Babbage's Analytical engine.
OK, so you fit it onto a loom and it kind of makes the
patterns easier. So what kind of device are we
talking about? OK.
So it has to do with the world of viewing, but also inspired
Childs Babbage's first computer is it?
Analytical Engine. A first analytical engineer.
Like if you think about it, this is programming Like what you're
doing when you do this device is in a way, it's like a
rudimentary sort of like, you know, giving instructions and
making the loom sort of repeat the instruction.
That's kind of what you're doing.
OK, right. In the most fundamental sense of
what programming is, right. Makes sense.
Yeah, right. And this is a word that I would
know from the world of technology.
Or would I note otherwise? Actually it's an inventor's
name. So that's like what you know it
by the process. Basically, it's like this
person's process kind of like, you know, transform many things,
including computing. And it also transformed weaving.
It's like 18th century, like, you know, late 18th, early 19th
century, sort of what one name comes to mind when you talk
about weaving in that time? I I think I think you're
overestimating my knowledge of history of 19th century weavers
and the innovators in weaving. I'm not too sure if I know too
many names. You hear it as something loom,
but that it's technically sort of inaccurate.
The only word that I can think of before loom is power loom,
but I don't think that's named after a person.
I think that's just power. A French person whose name is
like, you know, associated with loom.
No French person, Something loom and something through the tech
world. No.
Give me another hint maybe? Basically, it's like it's the
earliest sort of punch card system effectively.
So what you do is you punch the patterns onto like, you know,
cards and then you attach them to the loom.
And then like when you're weaving, you like the cards kind
of I think appear on particular places and whatnot, and they
kind of let you help guide the loom in like particular ways.
And you? Know how punch cards became like
the early IBM started off as punch cards and whatnot, So just
like the one of the earliest sort of applications of punch
cards in that sense. French sounding name so I
always. So what's like the most?
Stereotypical French name you can think of.
Pierre. Not Pierre, but like the other
like maybe English name and like the French equivalent of that I
maybe like, you know, like what's this most stereotypical
English name? Timothy Chalamet.
No, no. Oh, I feel like I've heard this
in this context. I don't know if I'm completely
off the mark, though. Is it jacquard?
Jacquard. I don't know how to pronounce.
Yes, yes, it is Jacquard's loom or Jacquard's card.
And then the the he had some modifier to basically control
how the loom operated. And that's how Charles Babbage
also was inspired. Yes.
OK, vaguely remember it from some computing class.
See. It's computing history.
Yeah, OK, OK, Cool, cool, cool. Joseph Murray Jacquard in 1804.
Now to link this to closer to home.
Basically, like, you know, another GI tagged OK, typically
uses the Jacquard loom to produce these silk saris.
And this tradition dates back to at least 14th or 15th centuries.
They are particularly well known for their gold and silver zari
work. So you know what zari is, right?
I think zari is like the yeah, yeah.
So gold and silver zari work. So with GI tag product.
Okay, I don't know about the loom part of it so much
obviously, but I'm gonna take a guess because of the gold sari
work. Is it Kanjivaram?
So if you think of silk sarees in India, like on the top
kanjivaram is 1, this is not kanjivaram.
So what's the next sort of place that comes to mind?
And the other one I can think of, the top of my head is
Banarsi. Is it Banarsi sari?
So it is Banarasi. Banarasi sari.
Ah, okay. So Banarasi sarees are typically
done with Jakart because like you see that kind of maybe those
distinctive patterns, right? Like those motives, repeated
motives like those are a lot easier to do with.
Like a Shakart device that. Interesting, interesting.
These products especially like, you know, we take a lot of it
for granted, I guess, like, you know, sarees and it's just so
fascinating. Think about like, once you start
thinking about how they're made, oh, it's crazy.
There's gonna be a visually rich episode.
I'm gonna all of these displayed for anybody watching it.
In case you aren't, this is incentive to go check us out on
YouTube. Yeah, yeah.
Well, you brought us close to home, so I'm going to continue
right from there. And you have to tell me what
competition was it that there were five finalists in and these
were Nundita, Korea, Mehrotra, That's one person.
Hitesh Padmashali, second person.
The third one is Shibin KK, 4th person is Shahrukh J Irani and
the 5th person is D Udaya Kumar. What competition?
That these five people came with the finalist What Indian?
Level competition Were these the five finalists for Is there
always 5 every? Year kind of thingy, like are
they competing against each other or is it one of those
things where they're all independently done something and
like no, they're being recognized for this was the
first. And the only time that this has
happened in India will Can it happen again or is?
It like one of those like you know, it'll never happen again.
I don't see it. Happening anytime in the
foreseeable future, but hey, who knows?
Uday Kumar and then. This is like, it's a pretty
bunch of diverse names. There's not clearly one reason.
It's like kind of like, you know, Pan.
So I'm thinking, is it something to do with like, you know, some
award that they're nominated for or something like that?
No, no, no. Not an award that they were
nominated for. It was a open competition to
anybody and everybody I guess from India.
I don't know if they're restricted to only Indians but
well, given the finalists, I imagine it was Indian centric
and it was a competition being held in India.
Sounds like, you know, maybe a very.
Facetious answer. Like, you know who's listened to
the most episodes of Monkey Bap or something like that or?
Who's listening to the most episodes of Are You Quizzing Me?
That would be my father. No, my father is not one of the
finalists. Government related is that?
That's the other thing I'm thinking of.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is like, you know, AIR.
One for civil service exams, something like that.
But that would not be a. One once only thing, right?
That's true. That's true.
Like, but five people perhaps like is a little unusual, I
would say, but like you know, or within line for something or you
know, like for some position or something like that.
I I think right now, right? Now it's way too, way too
open-ended for you to make a very good educated guess.
So I'll help you out. First, I'll give you the
timeline. The finalist was decided on 15th
July 2010. OK.
And that was D Udaya Kumar DU. Udaya Kumar was associate
professor at IIT Guwahati. Maybe he has been promoted now,
maybe he's moved, I'm not sure. But back in 2010, Udaya Kumar
was an associate professor at IIT Guwahati.
Oh, is this the rupee thing? Is this like the design of the
rupee? Because I vaguely remember.
Very impressive. I thought you'd need at least
two more hints, but that was very quick.
Well done, well done. Yes, this is the rupee symbol.
These were the five finalists for the rupee design, but I.
I think. The deserved design won the
award, but the other finalists were also pretty great.
Surprisingly, I think Hitesh, Padma Shali, their design is
also quite similar. Quite similar.
All. All of the designs are actually
vaguely similar, so I think you can tell where the judges were
sort of inclined towards. Deodhar Kumar's design is
simple. It's beautiful.
It is. It captures somehow both the
English are and the Hindi or Dev Nagari has the line across the
which is emblematic of a lot of currencies with the line either
vertically through it or horizontally through it.
So yeah, I think he managed to do something very impressive
with the design. Previous one was the Hindi
letter, right? That was, that's what it was, I
think, I presume. Or was it never a official
symbol? I don't think there was an
official. Symbol.
It was always Rs or RE for rupees and RE for rupee right?
Yes, this was only made official in 2010.
Like I mentioned, 15 July 2010 was when they decided on the
winner. And it has an ISO symbol now.
So you can use it in any technological communication as
well. So that's where the rupee symbol
comes from, from an open competition and which was won by
an associate professor in IIT Guwahati, D Uday Kumar.
And what a legacy to have left. Very impressive.
That's true, yeah. Crazy.
Yes, I get like 1 of this like 99% invisible things, right?
Like, you know, that you don't think, pay attention to and then
there's a story behind all of them.
Yeah, I think we've recommended that enough times in this port.
Can't recommend it enough. Can't recommend it enough.
So moving. Away from India, because, you
know, I think we spend a lot of time there.
Let's go to somewhere like a little very different.
So this person was a Swedish astronomer, physicist and
mathematician who founded the Uppsala Astronomical Observatory
in 1741. What he's most known for today,
he proposed in a paper to the Royal Society of Sciences in
Uppsala in 1742. So it became.
What we think of now, you know, thanks to Carl Linnaeus, who if
you know, is the one who kind of another did a lot of the work on
taxonomy species. And I think it's the same
Linnaeus, if I'm not mistaken, who a year after this person's
death in 1745, so kind of relatively soon, he just
proposed a simple correction. What this person had proposed
was, you know, did not lend itself to practical measurement.
So Carl Inez suggested that why don't we do this one thing And
then like, that's kind of what we do now.
So who and what? I mean, what am I talking about?
South Upsala? Was founded by this person
Upsala Astronomical. Observatory was founded by this
person. Oh OK, got it.
Got it. Got it.
So that's an astronomical observatory this person founded.
So does their work have to do with astronomy?
So I said he's an. Astronomer, physicist and
mathematician. And the change was proposed by
Carl Linnaeus, who's a botanist, taxonomist.
Like, you know, it's like, it's not really like an, I think he's
an astronomer, maybe a big polymath.
OK, so. Not, not an astronomy, probably
something to do with maybe the physical sciences, the life
sciences. And this is the 18th century,
right? Yeah, early, like 17. 42 You can
say that you know this person is kind of run out decisively in
kind of most places except one. This feels like a SI unit kind
of nonsense. Again.
This feels like it's going to be those Americans ruining it for
the rest of the world. Yeah, yeah, you're saying this
person won out. So it's not one of those quirky,
stupid foot inches yards # nonsense.
No, no, no. An.
SI Unit. That is named after a person.
There are quite a few, Yeah, I think most of them.
If I'm not mistaken, are probably named after people,
yeah. Something that America.
Does notably different from most of us is I'm trying to think of.
Fundamental stuff. I'm not, I'm not trying to go
into like pressure and and pressure is pretty fundamental.
You can say but but yeah, I'm talking more.
Yeah, I was. Thinking meters, second gram,
but none of those. Yes, it is more.
Fundamental than that. So gram is not named after a
person? Not named after a person, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Anyway, the SI unit is kilogram,
I believe. It's not a gram.
I don't want to think too much of SI.
Because technically SI unit is different I think but.
Think along with the fundamental.
Things like you said, yeah, wait, you're done.
Like you know, length you've thought of length is also not a
person not wait. Not time, not length,
fundamental units. Apart from that, yeah.
Oh, temperature. Oh, is it?
So Kelvin would be the SI unit, but you're saying it's not SI?
Yeah, so Kelvin is British. Then I'm assuming it's Celsius.
Yeah, Celsius, yes, this is. Andes Celsius, so he originally
proposed it as boiling .00 and. Freezing point is 100.
Oh, I've read this piece of trivia.
I've come across Visa trivia somewhere, and this guy, what's
his name? This guy is a taxonomist.
Carlenez. Carlenez.
He invited it. Yes.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. Though I think like the I.
Think the other one Fahrenheit is I'm not sure where which
country thing is. I'm not sure it's German or
Dutch or something, but some people say that Fahrenheit scale
is like better because in some sense, like, you know, it like
it's more realistic in terms of, you know, how you observe
temperatures. Like in the kind of the ranges
that we think of. Like, you know, like 100 is
warm, whereas like, you know, you'll never will like, count to
100°C. Like, you know, like that means
you're probably like dead already at that point or dying
or, you know, in agony. But like, yeah, then like 0
Fahrenheit is still something that a person would experience,
right? Right, right.
There's like argument to be.
Made that Fahrenheit is more natural OK?
The reason they kind of calibrated.
That also is probably to be close to human temperature
right? Which is 98.6 right Fahrenheit.
Just a small. Bonus thing, so I said he was,
you know, he founded in 1741. He died in 75.
He died like relatively young. So what do you think he died
from fever? Did he have a fever that.
He died. I don't know why I'm laughing at
this poor man's death. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No, I thought because of Celsius.
And Fahrenheit. And he died because of that,
because it's a throwback to something.
That we've actually discussed. So what?
What do you think he died from? He died of something.
That we have discussed, yes. Oh, didn't we discuss that?
Tuberculosis I think. Yes, he died of TB.
As well, everything is tuberculosis.
The book Yes, Everything is tuberculosis.
So Celsius died from tuberculosis as well.
So I thought it was like a nice throwback to yeah, cool, since
we were. Talking about something morbid.
This person dying of TB? I'm going to ask you what is the
very end? This is a dark question.
If you're not in the mood to dampen a spirit, skip ahead to a
listener. But what is the name given to
the horizontal scar at the base of the throat which results from
surgery to remove a thyroid cancer caused by a specific
reason, with the specific reason I can think of?
Is smoking or something like that or like chewing tobacco or
what not smart? Guess not.
The answer in this case, not the reason that I'm looking for, so
it won't be the most common reason.
Very few people would have encountered this, but boy or
boy, from whatever I've read, it is a gruesome way to go.
OK, people. Who?
Have to undergo surgery to remove it from their throat.
Have usually a scar there. What is both the reason I'm
asking and what is it called? Perhaps the reason will be the
first answer you'll get to and then you can figure out what is
called. So the other thing I think.
Of something like, you know, something to do workplace
conditions. So like mining, that's the other
thing I think of like there's something to inhalation of like,
you know, like, you know, 'cause it's black lung.
Very, very good guess. And also very close because it
doesn't have to do with the mining specifically, but it does
have to do with the occupational hazard, OK, occupational.
Hazard. Interesting.
OK, so we've started mining that.
Is it just like millwork or something like that, Like, you
know, plus flour inhalation. That's the other thing.
I know it's like apparently very bad for you.
Yeah, Yeah. But.
Think of something. Think of something more way more
modern radiation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, OK, so I'll give it to you.
The reason is a fallout from a nuclear accident, right?
OK, so Chernobyl. So Chernobyl is in.
The name What is the full name? Chernobyl Dash is the name given
to the horizontal scar at the base of the throat.
Oh, Chernobyl. Dash, is it OK what let we got
then souvenir or something like that like they like, you know,
call it like a very morbid way like it is it is.
Very dark. It is, it is it is.
It puts it into a very different life.
That word was probably never used in such a dark torn text,
except for like maybe this instance.
Chernobyl gift close, close. Think of something more
ornamental and specific to the location of this car necklace.
It's a Chernobyl necklace. It is one of those things which
is you. You perhaps don't realize it
till you understand what it refers to because sounds at the
outset sounds very nice. And the other one that I always
think of is the Chelsea Grin. That's the.
That's the Joker thing, right? It's also called a Cheshire.
Green it's also called a Glasgow smile.
I don't know what's happening in the British Isles but something
crazy. It's a wound cause by making a
cut from the corners of a victims mouth up to the ears,
leaving a scar in the. I'm sorry, I should have given a
big content warning. Yeah.
Yeah, that this is a little. Graphic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's one of those words.
That it just, it's so disturbing when you realize what it means.
A Glasgow smile at the outset sounds very cute.
And then you realize, oh, that's dark Chernobyl necklace.
I will leave. Our audience with this question,
at least with one last one, which is the Colombian necktie
of only Google it. If you.
Can stand something gory. Otherwise, don't do it HK.
I know you don't like that stuff, so for you I'd recommend
not Googling it. Is this what the gangsters?
Used to do or something. Yeah.
Yep, Yep. Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep.
You. You don't want to Google it
unless you have a stomach for it.
But yes, this goes back to what I was saying about Columbia
necktie. Glasgow smile.
Back to the Chernobyl necklace, a very, very dark thing that has
a deceptively pretty name. So that is shown over necklace
for you HK. Do you have one last question
for us before we wrap up this episode?
OK, so. I like, you know, like I know
I've kind of gone off base a bit with my questions and I'm going
to bring it back home to my kind of turf.
So this is the daily question of my set.
Go for it. This person was.
Kind of popularly known as Adi Naidilika Malik.
So Annie, this is obviously a term not from recent times, but
like, you know, from the 40s, fifties, when New Delhi was new,
he got his start as a contractor.
One of his first jobs was to transport the foundation stones
of the Viceroy House in New Delhi.
So in a way, he laid the foundation stone for New Delhi.
Like, in a weird sort of way, right?
He would go on to build. What is regarded as New Delhi's
first apartment complex because again, like New Delhi had a lot
of bungalows, which is called and it's probably the biggest
hint is Sujan Singh Park. It still exists.
It's in Kanye Khan market. So who is this person if you
remember the the name and more importantly, who is his famous
son who would go on to live and die in Sujan Singh Park?
He'll probably one of the most famous residents of Sujan Singh
Park so. You said Adi Dillika Malik and
my my first instinct was to say Latin because Latin's Delhi but
Latin's in own. Delhi So this person actually
owned a bunch of land and now I gather is.
Somebody Indian so doesn't make sense and his son is a famous
Indian person I'm guessing who was lived and died in in Delhi.
Very famous. Famous.
Delhi person, son was a writer. Author, lawyer, diplomat,
journalist and politician RK. Lakshman RK.
Lakshman is not from Delhi, right?
No, no, not Delhi. Malgudi is thinking of like
that's not Delhi, Delhi, Delhi person like you know this
mention the mention the. Qualification.
Something is the back of my head.
Author. Lawyer.
Diplomat, Politician. Journalist.
Diplomat. The only thing I can think of is
this I remember from his memoir. I think you're talking about
Khushwant Singh. Yes, this is Khushwant Singh.
So the sign is Khushwant Singh. Khushwant Singh's father.
Was this famous? Yes, yes.
Oh, OK, OK, OK, OK. So it's called Adi.
Naidilika Malik. So I guess you probably don't
know the name. It was Sobha Singh.
Sobha Singh. So one of his earliest.
Contracts was basically to move the viceroy stones, the stones,
the foundation stones from, you know, Kingsway to Risena Hill.
So in 1912, right? So Viceroy Harding, this is not
the thing where there was an assassination attempt on him.
That's also a very famous sort of like, you know, Delhi story,
like, you know, during, again, another one of these dead bars.
So he was there nearby when that assassination had attempt
happened. And then I think apparently when
Bhagat Singh, I think in some Delhi court or something, he
detonated the bomb. He was there again at that time
because he was a lawyer. Wow.
That, you know, he was part of. The British elite at that point,
like apparently Gandhi used to stay at his house a lot and
Jinnah used to walk around this. One of those things, like one of
those people that is just Subha Singh, is like.
The Forrest Gump of Indian is which is there at every iconic
moment, more. Like, you know, involved then
Forrest more consequential. In a way, yeah, that is true.
Yeah. So.
It's very interesting. Wow.
I had no idea Khushan Singh came from such a storied history.
Yeah, Adi Naidilika Malik's son is a is some sort of a stepping
stone. Yeah, very.
Cool history lesson. And Delhi lesson.
I like it all rolled into one, right?
Great. Notes to end.
This episode on and before we do I have to ask or other answer
the audience question that I asked in the beginning.
So HK, any guesses as to what is the name of the website?
And this website is specifically in the entertainment space that
has been around for more than a decade but gained popularity
especially during COVID as most of us were relying for online
entertainment during that space during that phase.
And it gets its name from a technique used in transferring
from one format to another. I'm being very vague, but
hopefully you can figure it out. I'm thinking like, you know,
it's like the. But it's very tiny.
Is it F FM, PG? But it's not a, it's not a
website, it's a tool, I think YouTube Downloader.
Right. I've never used it, I don't
know. What you're talking about, you
criminal. OK, so to be very specific, this
is a website that has to do with films and it's it's probably the
second or the third most important website and when it
comes to films after IMDb and and Rotten Tomatoes, Right,
right, right, right. And everybody's been.
Talking about it for the last few years, there's rips and.
Whatnot go back even further. I'm.
Talking about like, if I made a film, I wanted to show it on TV,
I would have to do this thing, OK?
To be able to show that film on. TV.
And that's where this website gets its name also.
Oh, right. OK, so it's like that.
What do you call it? It's it's like the the the tape
is digitizing the tape effectively, right?
Like the real. I'm sure there were things that.
They had to do in that space. I'm not talking about that.
I'm talking about formats. When I said format, I meant, you
know what, I'm going to break it on you further for you.
Aspect ratio. Think aspect ratio, Right,
Right, Right, right, right. The one which is very popular
is. The wide format right which is
extremely wide screen 69 or what not.
Yeah. So the ratio. 16 is tonight you
would do something to that white screen film to be able to show
it on TV while maintaining that aspect ratio black bars, right
so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's like
2. So what do you call it?
What is that called? That gives its name to the
website in the entertainment space, which is something every
cinephile knows, every random Twitter film critic knows.
Like, they talk about it all the time.
They are obsessed with it all the time.
Is that where you store? Your you know that's letter box.
That's the yes that is it letter.
Boxed. Is it letter box?
Oh. It's letter boxed.
OK. OK.
It is letter boxed. OK, so adding.
Those black bars is called letter boxing.
How? In a letter box, you have a slot
that you put your letter through, right?
Right, that's what it looks. Like so they called it
letterboxing because you want to make the white screen appear as
white screen but on TV obviously you need to add something.
So they add the black bars on both the bottom, bottom at the
top and that gives its name to the website which is letterbox.
And do you know what you do? What is it called when say you
have to add it on the sides of square format film, right?
What would you do to show it on TV when ribboning or something
like that? Pillar boxing.
So letterbox, but you add pillars on the side.
So it's called pillar boxing. Yeah, right.
Pillar boxing letterboxing. And that's where Letterbox, the
website gets its name. Hey, nice.
Are you on letterbox or do you? Follow people on letterbox by
any chance? No, I don't I.
Keep up with it, I don't. Specifically follow it, but once
in a while I'll go check. Martin Scorsese's letterbox
account was at one point the most followed account on the
website because everybody wanted to know what Martin Scorsese
thinks about films. But yeah, that brings us very
neatly to our pop culture recommendations.
HK hit us quickly with what do you think is good that you've
seen recently? I went and saw this.
Anime movie or it's called the anime is called demon Slayer.
So this is kind of the final arc of the movie.
And then it's it's one of those movies that, you know, you feel
like you have to see it like those things that even though
it's anime like it's beautifully like, you know, animated.
It's like I think CGI and hand drawn animations and yeah, on
the big screen. Great experience.
Another. Movie that I.
Went and watched recently. Also was surprising.
It's called Loca. I know that Vinita's mentioned
it already. I'm not sure, but there's this.
Yeah, it's this Malayalam movie. It's a part of a new sort of
cinematic universe, sort of not the probably the most well known
stars, at least like the leads, but it's a beautiful sort of,
again, like one of those movies that you know, you want to
watch. Their well shot and a very
intriguing story. It's like Supernatural but set
in the Indian context. Madam Cinema.
Breaking expectations and setting the bar as they often
end up doing. It is.
A very impressive film culture
in India for sure. Malayalam films.
I have to recommend another film.
So I'm going to do a film recommendation and again, and
that's going to be Humans in the Loop.
And this is a Hindi Kuruk language film that is directed
by Aranya Sahai and it follows an Adivasi woman who
unexpectedly finds herself interacting with AI.
And I'm going to leave it at that.
This is from the Wikipedia page. That's what I'm going to leave
it because it I, I don't know, maybe I thought it would be a
little preachy or maybe it would be a little because I'm always
curious as to how a director handles these topics which are
not very often talked about in cinema.
And kudos to any act director, by the way, trying it out.
It's never easy, but this is a film which doesn't come across
as either preachy or telling you either about the Adivasi culture
in India or talking about AI with a very heavy-handed way.
But it but it still just hits the right spot when it comes to
good films. And so you have to check out
Humans in the Loop. I believe it's not in theaters
anymore. It was there briefly, of course.
As good movies. Are they leave cinema very
quickly, but as humans in the loop if you can catch it online
do do that and that is the end of the pop culture
recommendations, which brings us to my very quick and short plea
to go check us out on any podcasting platform.
If you're already listening to us, you could watch us on video
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send us trivia. Lovely to see fun If we are
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can and we need to once he's back, we'll be sharing some of
the audience questions that I know he has received in the
recent past because I can see the emails, but I obviously
don't open it. So those questions coming soon.
And yeah, I believe that's it. So recommend this podcast for
anybody who likes trivia and who likes to know more about Delhi,
about history, about now textiles.
Also, I guess HK, I'm counting on the next episode having some
coffee trivia. OK, I, I feel like you always
trust to give us some fun coffee trivia.
HK's promise to come back actually with a very fun format.
So look forward to that guest episode.
Once we need this back, we'll do a guest episode of HK where he's
going to do a slightly different quizzing format.
Looking forward to that. Cool.
Thank you so much HK for joining us one more time.
Any last thoughts? No, love it.
There should never be a last thought.
There will be more thoughts always.
OK. See you guys next week.
I will be very disappointed if you don't get this very soon.
Yeah. So like, no.