1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,880 What is the name of the website that has become very popular 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:10,400 especially since COVID times and it got its name from the 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:16,520 practice used in the industry when transferring a format to 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,160 another. What website in the 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,560 entertainment space am I referring to? 6 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,760 The name derives from transferring one format to 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,000 another. For ease of viewing, this 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:29,760 audience question will be answered at the end of the 9 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,680 episode. And before we get to it, here's 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,600 the intro. Welcome to RU quizzing me. 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,760 I am Vineet Nair with my Co host Aditya Kashyap. 12 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,720 This is a quizzing trivia podcast show. 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,360 Join us as we dive deep into history, science, pop culture 14 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,560 and so much more. Let's get quizzing. 15 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:54,040 Welcome to episode 116 of RU Quizzing Me. 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,040 And yet again we have another guest episode. 17 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:03,920 HK, our most frequent guest, our saviour stepping in. 18 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,760 Maybe not saviour but scapegoat at this point I think. 19 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,960 Scapegoat. Let's not reveal trade secrets 20 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:12,760 to everybody. Or trivia question. 21 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:18,840 Or trivia questions. So this is an episode and after 22 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,800 a while I believe and I think you have some great questions 23 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,560 for us. So why not start us off with 24 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,240 your first question? OK, I noticed one thing that 25 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,520 amongst like, you know, as a team and maybe when Adi and I 26 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,800 were talking about it just before the episode also like we 27 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,880 don't have a good sense of like what kind of questions have been 28 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,560 asked and are you quizzing me so far? 29 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,000 They definitely think like, you know, textiles and fabrics and 30 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:43,560 stuff like that. No, but I have been going down 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,440 some rabbit holes recently. So here's a question and 32 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:47,840 hopefully you'll be able to answer. 33 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:53,280 Let's see, this word means to bind in several Malayo 34 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,600 pollination languages. So you know in that region, 35 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,160 Southeast Asia region, right? So it refers to a process of 36 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,600 resist dyeing. So do you know what resist 37 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,760 dyeing is? No idea, no idea. 38 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,639 So what happens is you take the yarns of threads that you're 39 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,440 going to weave and you tie like something over it, like in 40 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,240 specific spots, and then you die. 41 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,680 Right. When you unbind it, you have the 42 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,680 colour in certain spots and not in others. 43 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:21,640 So you can kind of imagine doing this in like, you know, complex 44 00:02:21,640 --> 00:02:23,640 ways and that's you can create different pattern. 45 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,400 While the origin of this term may be Southeast Asian, this 46 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,040 technique has kind of evolved independently in several other 47 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,440 regions, including India. So kind of it's a 2 parter. 48 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:34,240 The first part is what is this word? 49 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,160 Singapore also, it's popular, but not so much. 50 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,920 It's much more popular in Indonesia and Malaysia. 51 00:02:39,920 --> 00:02:41,920 Now this particular word you will see. 52 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,600 Is this? Bhartic, no. 53 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,200 Bhartic is also a form of resist dyeing, but it's a different 54 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,080 thing. But there it's not the fabric. 55 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,360 So in Bhartic what they do is they put wax I think, or 56 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,320 something, and then you kind of create a negative imprint. 57 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,400 This is happening on the thread itself, not on the finished 58 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,200 fabric, on the finished V garden. 59 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,240 But think words like Baathik. So there's another Baathik is 1. 60 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,080 Then there's another word which also kind of like, you know, 61 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,200 it's similar sounding to Baathik. 62 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,960 Oh, sounds similar, like similar letters or rhyming or something 63 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,400 like that. I'll tell you it's a four letter 64 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:15,760 word. Baathik has all the letters in 65 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,960 this word also, so I don't know how else to say similar 66 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,440 sounding. Got it, got it. 67 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:26,680 It's just going to be doing permutations over here. 4 68 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,600 letters out of the five letters of Baathik. 69 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:33,080 Yeah. None of them seem to be very 70 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:37,040 familiar. OK sorry can I go back to so you 71 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:41,400 said the thread is tie dyed. I guess the tie dyeing is not a 72 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:42,480 different thing, but. Yeah. 73 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,080 So this word means to tie, basically. 74 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,600 Yeah. So this word means to tie. 75 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,800 OK, So how you will hear it is you won't hear it of course, in 76 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,200 this process, but there are many things that are made using this 77 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,040 technique, right? So they're all classified as 78 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,240 this fabrics, right? You know, for example, with 79 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,320 Baathik, you will maybe hear like this style of pajama is a 80 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,360 Baathik style pajama like. And in India also, there are 81 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,640 several regions actually that have specialized in this resist 82 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:10,800 dye. And I'm going to ask you the 83 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,400 follow up questions actually about one specific. 84 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,640 Region you have you have found niche, niche that we have not 85 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,839 really tapped into. The one of the first few 86 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,920 questions I remember from maybe our first or second episode had 87 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:27,960 to do with the fabrics. But okay, I'm gonna say because 88 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:32,240 it's a Thai, yeah, Thai car. I'm guessing I'm just getting 89 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,520 guessing it now. It's so ikat is the word ikat. 90 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,600 Never heard of the term. No, no, ikat needs to tie. 91 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,000 And so they you hear ikat style. Got it. 92 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,440 One famous this thing is called Pochampalli ikat in India, for 93 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,200 example, like just go look it up. 94 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,080 Very beautiful fabrics that you know, have this particular like, 95 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,680 you know, very. So there's a very distinctive 96 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,640 sort of pattern that comes with ikat. 97 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,440 Right, right. The question I'm going to ask 98 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,600 you, so this is another GI recognize woven art style from 99 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,320 Gujarat. And this employs not a single 100 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,480 but a EE cut. There's a term they use, they 101 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,160 call it warp and the weft, it's like the coordinate axis of the 102 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:08,160 weaves, right? Sure. 103 00:05:08,280 --> 00:05:10,640 One side is called warp, the other side is called weft. 104 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:14,280 So in this you resist type both. So then you kind of create like 105 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:17,760 this very intricate patterns by, you know, doing this. 106 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,520 So this technique uses this EE cut. 107 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,480 It's one of the probably the most like kind of expensive hand 108 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,760 loom fabrics you can probably find at least the, you know, the 109 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:30,280 handmade ones because it just takes a crazy amount of time to 110 00:05:30,280 --> 00:05:32,000 do this. Generally. 111 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,560 It's a it's known for sarees. So like imagine a saree's size 112 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,640 and you have to kind of trace out the 2D. 113 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,480 It's like a 2D graph. Like that's how they start. 114 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,200 Apparently they start with like grit paper kind of things that 115 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,880 you see and then like someone like meticulously, like, you 116 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,120 know, colors like or draws the pattern on these and then 117 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,640 someone follows that and for all the threads, they will tie it in 118 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,320 that appropriate places. Then they'll have to dye it in 119 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,720 like, you know, not one, but like multiple colors. 120 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,440 So imagine like the complexity. You should go look at some of 121 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,440 these patterns and then imagine how much effort went into making 122 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,600 this, you know, in this particular technique. 123 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,960 So do you know this GI tag style of weaving from Gujarat? 124 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,840 No, you're asking the absolute wrong person. 125 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:14,640 No idea, no knowledge in this sphere whatsoever. 126 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,840 But Gujarat. Is it a city name then? 127 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:19,920 I guess because GI tag. Is it a city name we're looking 128 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,200 for? Just two words in this 129 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:22,880 basically. So one is place name, I don't 130 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,520 know whether it's a city now. The other one is basically again 131 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,520 means like, you know, silk work effectively in like, you know, 132 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:30,520 one language. Got it. 133 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:33,360 It's an alliterative name. It's a kind of very nice 134 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:34,840 sounding name also, one might say. 135 00:06:34,840 --> 00:06:37,760 And it's one of the most expensive hand loom fabrics. 136 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,160 That's what say with royalty, like, you know, it's one of 137 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:42,960 those things like, you know, if you have this, you will pass it 138 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,480 down like as your, you know, inheritance sometimes because 139 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,680 that's how expensive some of these can be. 140 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,280 OK, so you said not necessarily a city, which makes you think it 141 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:55,720 isn't like a Ahmedabad, Baroda, Surat, Gandhinagar type of 142 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,640 thing. Yeah, something smaller and 143 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:03,200 alliterative royalty. Nice sounding. 144 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,240 And the word, the second word, which was to do with the dyeing, 145 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:08,960 I believe, was it. Silk work, because it's 146 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,840 typically made in silk. So I think, yeah, silk work, 147 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,400 that's what it means. Silk work, that is a Gujarati 148 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,440 word. Yeah, it is a Gujarati word. 149 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,440 Yeah, my Gujarati is not that good because it's a Pochampally. 150 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,240 I'm thinking Amrapali is coming to mind, but that's not Gujarat 151 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:26,840 at all. Palli means it's like, you know, 152 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,560 it's Andhra Pradesh most like, right? 153 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,560 Correct, Correct. Some place in Tamil Nadu also 154 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,840 have that name. We have mutual friend who has a 155 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:34,600 middle name. Palli. 156 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,160 Yeah, she told me this, her middle name, and she's over 157 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,920 here. Stands for village or Town, I 158 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,240 believe. See, so that's so that's 159 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,400 probably the suffix, right? It's like it has a poacham 160 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:47,480 palli. It's like poacham village 161 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:48,880 probably, right. So it's like, yeah, it's the 162 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:49,920 same, right? Yeah. 163 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,280 Digestion society, like. Hey, what is a Gujarati word 164 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:55,440 that I'm missing? Yeah. 165 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,200 Wow. No, dude, this is this is not 166 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,000 something I know at all. Give me a hint or something 167 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,400 maybe? Again, one of the things you 168 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:03,720 probably know it or you don't know it. 169 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,360 OK, before you give me, before you give me the full name, give 170 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,040 me one of the words. I'll see if I know the second 171 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,160 one maybe. OK, I'll give you the not the 172 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,200 place there. Maybe the place name you can 173 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,640 find, it's Patola. Patola. 174 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,040 Sorry. So something Patola. 175 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,160 Have you ever heard that rings a bell or no? 176 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,760 It was a proper patola, but that's a song. 177 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,160 It's another word that starts with PE only. 178 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,680 Oh yeah, I lived in Gujarat for a few years. 179 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,880 I'm embarrassed. I don't even know this. 180 00:08:32,039 --> 00:08:34,360 Talk to your mom and ask her like I'm sure she'll be able to 181 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,240 tell you a lot more about this then I. 182 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,600 Will then my mom. My sister probably knows because 183 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,559 she studied design in Ahmedabad. This sent this clip to her. 184 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:49,880 How I'm letting her down P Patan code No that's. 185 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,880 Not Patan Patola. So it's not Patan code, but it's 186 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,760 Patan. Patan I have heard of this. 187 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,720 I have heard of this. See see you have heard of this. 188 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:04,000 So there they do this. Very fancy dying with the with 189 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,000 the threads and. Double Ikat yeah, you should see 190 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,480 like some videos on how they make it. 191 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,480 It's crazy, you know, so basically they take individual 192 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,920 yarns, right? So if you imagine how a saree is 193 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,040 made, it's like, you know, these these two kind of cross sections 194 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,680 knitted together, right? Imagine that. 195 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,800 So you take kind of it's like every row literally of the sari 196 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,280 can imagine it as like an individual groups of threads. 197 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,480 You have to bind and tie and then do this for every the 198 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,240 detail that is there in it. And then you can just see how 199 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:33,760 it's made now. I love that. 200 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,120 OK, great. That is, you know what HK a very 201 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,760 unexpected question. It did not have anything to do 202 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:46,840 with the, the Ottomans or the. Those are coming later for Delhi 203 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:52,480 street names. This is not a space I was ready 204 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,360 to go into, but I'm glad you took me there. 205 00:09:54,680 --> 00:09:56,840 Yeah, you know what? This is a good reminder of how 206 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,200 many things there are still to explore in terms of trivia. 207 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,560 Yeah. Though the first episode of the 208 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:06,480 second episode question I was recalling earlier had to do 209 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,320 with, and I think I've asked this in a quiz back in college, 210 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:10,840 so you might have seen it then as well. 211 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,760 A visual question back when I asked it in college. 212 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,520 And was the map of the world and different points in the world 213 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,880 were marked out. And you're supposed to say what 214 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,160 connects all of these? And the answer was that all of 215 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,920 these are places after which some sort of either a clothing 216 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,080 item or or textile is named. Yeah. 217 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,560 Muslim is in Iraq. So Muslim comes from there. 218 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:30,800 Yeah. Yeah. 219 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,680 Yeah. Kashmir is Kashmir. 220 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:35,080 Kashmir is Kashmir. Yeah. 221 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,120 Yeah. And I think the one that Vineet 222 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,680 caught on to because I said a few other names, which he was 223 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:42,880 probably not too sure of. When is it Calicut? 224 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,600 Calico, is that as a Calicut, right? 225 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,880 Yeah. Dungri, after which Dungri's are 226 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,320 named. Yeah, yeah. 227 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,320 Bermudas. Bermudas are named after the 228 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:51,400 country. Yeah. 229 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,160 Denim is named after a place in France. 230 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,360 Names right? Jerseys are named after jersey 231 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:58,680 in the UK. Yeah. 232 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,480 Jeans Jeans is named after Genoa in Italy. 233 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,560 So, yeah, and I think I had asked like very early about like 234 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:07,440 broadcasting and like, you know, like how farming has like a lot 235 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,360 of words in English language come from farming. 236 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,040 Similarly, a lot of idioms and stuff come from weaving also. 237 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,560 Because again, it's one of those activities that has been there 238 00:11:15,560 --> 00:11:18,960 for a very long time and kind of seeped into like, you know, so 239 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,360 many things like the warp and the left, for example, I think 240 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,880 is used as like idiom like, you know, it means like entirety. 241 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,040 Garden, Garden. So maybe it's sometimes 242 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,080 etymology you can go down for, you know, terms that come from 243 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,640 weaving. Endless, endless rabbit hole 244 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,000 there. But OK, coming back to our 245 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:39,600 questions and since you took us to Southeast Asia, which regular 246 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,760 listeners know both you and I have lived in for a while. 247 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,720 Another thing that we have shared that neither of us shares 248 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,080 anymore, just like Southeast Asia and that has to do with the 249 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,680 computer sciences that the technology space which you have 250 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:56,600 still something to do I the only technology I do is record this 251 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,640 podcast. Tell me the name of this 252 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:05,480 particular technique in software engineering where a programmer 253 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:11,280 explains their code step by step in natural language, either 254 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:16,120 allowed or in writing to reveal mistakes and misunderstandings 255 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:22,280 while explaining it to dash. OK Dash debugging is the 256 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,560 debugging technique in software engineering where a programmer 257 00:12:25,560 --> 00:12:28,840 basically explains the code and as simplistic and natural 258 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:34,360 language as possible to dash or to X, after which the debugging 259 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,960 technique is named. What is this debugging 260 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,920 technique? I mean, we didn't think I was 261 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,640 thinking like something like pseudo code and whatnot, but 262 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,680 that doesn't seem to make sense. So I mean, and, and there's like 263 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:46,960 the more recent developments you can say it's like, you know, 264 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,880 it's like you're talking to ChatGPT or one thing. 265 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,000 So maybe if you're looking at it too recently, then is it like 266 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,120 LLM decoding or debugging? But there you probably don't 267 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:56,720 even need to explain it in plain text. 268 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:58,840 I don't think it's either of those. 269 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,040 So maybe it's like, you know, maybe you're talking to a 270 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:02,720 mirror, you're explaining it to yourself. 271 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,680 Or is it like, you know, some subconscious thing that you're 272 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:08,320 trying to do? Well, you're you're warm in the 273 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,440 sense that it isn't another person that you're talking to, 274 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,160 if that makes sense. Oh, OK, yeah, wait, it's it's 275 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:16,800 like bouncing ideas of the wall, right? 276 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,000 It's something. Is it something like that? 277 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,480 Because you're not talking to anybody else. 278 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,760 It is, in the end of, at the end of the day, speaking to a wall. 279 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,680 But I'm talking about a very specific X over here that you're 280 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:30,040 explaining the code to, right? What is X? 281 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,240 Clippy. Very nice. 282 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:36,920 OK, so Clippy is a great guest. Think of something ridiculous 283 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,360 would be my advice and I'll give you I'll give you a hint for 284 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,840 this. On 1st April 2018, April Fool's 285 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,800 Day, Stack Exchange a pretty popular website for for 286 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:55,160 exchanging tech ideas. I guess they had an April Fool's 287 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,720 joke called Dash Overflow, right? 288 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:01,920 And let me clarify, Sorry, because the dashes might be 289 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:03,960 confusing. When I said the X debugging 290 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,000 style, this dash is Y. OK, so X is a debugging style 291 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,880 where you explain it to X. Here they called it Y overflow. 292 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:16,280 But Y&X are related. Y is basically as close to 293 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:20,840 synonymous as it gets to X. OK, so you associate Y with X 294 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,040 very very linearly. You know what, I I might have 295 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,120 actually seen this go live on April 1st, 28 because I was 296 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,160 still a programmer back then. So I and we used to discuss 297 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,200 these things that are like start up a lot, probably something 298 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,520 overflow interesting. And if if you know what that 299 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:43,400 overflow always refers to, the common phrase buy rhymes with 300 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,760 the word that is commonly used. Stack Overflow, right? 301 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:48,720 That's what we see. Stack overflow, correct? 302 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,040 Stack overflow. Yeah, yeah, right. 303 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,080 That's the name of the website alsostackoverflow.com. 304 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,120 Right. So This is why rhymes with 305 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,040 stack. It's like something like needle 306 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:59,640 in a haystack. Is that what we're looking for, 307 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,200 Something like that? Needle in a haystack overflow. 308 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:04,920 I love that. No, but it's not that. 309 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,400 Oh, is it Jack and Jill kind of thing? 310 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,040 Is it, is it like Jack overflow and Jill or something? 311 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,000 But no but no but. You are. 312 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,960 We are on the right track. You're thinking of rhyming. 313 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,080 Is it a proper noun? It's not a proper noun. 314 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:17,800 It's not a proper noun, I'll tell you. 315 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,240 It's not even a fictional human character. 316 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:22,960 OK. It's not even a fictional 317 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,040 specific character. It's not a specific character 318 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:26,680 we're looking at. Right, right, right, right, 319 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,800 right, right. So when they had that April 320 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,640 Fool's joke, this what would happen? 321 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,320 X avatar appeared in the bottom right corner of the screen, 322 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:40,040 listen to the user problems and pretended to type solutions only 323 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,880 to respond with a simple. Y OK. 324 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,640 And that is how X&Y are connected. 325 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,560 Basically, Y is the sound that X would make. 326 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,040 It's a rise with stack and it's like something whimsical. 327 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,400 Effectively, that's the that's kind of what we're going for, 328 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,120 right? Basically, yeah. 329 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,240 And it's like, it's like kind of like, you know, you're talking 330 00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:59,760 to yourself, something like that. 331 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,160 So. Why is the sound that X makes? 332 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,360 If it's, is it a crack or something? 333 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,160 Think of an animal sound. X is a type of. 334 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,800 Animal, So what pet would they be talking to that like you 335 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,120 know, like what pro that's programmers supposedly have? 336 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,960 That's the other thing also, right, Like it's like it's a 337 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,720 play at like what what you have in the yes. 338 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,320 It is something that a programmer might be carrying 339 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,680 around with them, so it's not an actual animal. 340 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,280 Can I give you like what timeline? 341 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,480 Like what it's a pop culture reference something in the sense 342 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,400 like it's like something that is it something that programmers 343 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,560 get even now or it's like one of those things that's like was 344 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,320 popular at like in a particular Mileu or. 345 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,680 No, no, no, no. I don't think every programmer 346 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,960 or you definitely a meta programmer who carries it. 347 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,480 People in an office setting might have it near them. 348 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:47,280 Maybe it's kind of like a stress ball but in animal shape. 349 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,840 What would they have that is animal shaped and that makes a 350 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,040 sound OK? I'll give you one more hint. 351 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,000 The reason in 2018 they probably used this was because in 2017 352 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,960 this X had become a popular protest symbol in a lot of 353 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,079 places across the world. Squeegee a duck is it? 354 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,800 So what's the what's the sound? Quack, quack duck. 355 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,160 OK, wow. OK, so so it's called duck 356 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,520 debugging, is it? So it's called rubber duck 357 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,119 debugging. Rubber duck. 358 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,520 Ah, rubber. OK, but I remember this wasn't 359 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,359 one of our recommended books. I don't think I ever read it, 360 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,280 but it's called The Pragmatic Programmer and it's a popular 361 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,560 book in college courses for software engineering, right? 362 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,080 Where apparently there was a story of a programmer who used 363 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:38,080 to carry a rubber around and explained the code to the duck 364 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,920 every time line by line whenever they felt like they were not 365 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,280 able to debug it. So they would hold the duck up 366 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,120 to the screen and explain it to them and be like oh this is what 367 00:17:46,120 --> 00:17:47,560 this line does, this is what this line does. 368 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,200 And till they found what the problem was, well, rubber duck 369 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,080 debugging. And when they used it in Stack 370 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,600 Exchange for an April Fool's joke, they called it a quack 371 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,600 overflow. And the rubber duck avatar would 372 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,320 appear and then you would tell it your problems that it will 373 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,840 try to solve, like it show you the typing thing, but in the 374 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,520 end, it'll just make a quack sound. 375 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,880 Yeah. Rubber duck was a proper popular 376 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,560 protest symbol. I don't know if you remember a 377 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,640 few years ago, it was being used to. 378 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,400 It was used in Belgrade. It was used in Brazil, in 379 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,040 Moscow. So it was quite a few places in 380 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,280 2017. It was being used in Bangkok in 381 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,160 2020. I remember this in 2013, China's 382 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:33,200 great firewall, they blocked searches for big yellow duck 383 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,200 because Chinese activists, and I love Chinese activists for doing 384 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,960 this, were photoshopping the rubber duck onto the tank. 385 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,400 Man photo of the Tiananmen Square massacre, right, right. 386 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,120 The in China it was blocked for a while. 387 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:52,120 You couldn't even search for big yellow duck on on their Internet 388 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:54,200 anymore. So it's like how probably Winnie 389 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,000 the Pooh is also like, you know, similarly sort of. 390 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,000 Another, another very famous example. 391 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:58,680 Yeah. Yeah. 392 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,280 Because of the resemblance to Xi Jinping. 393 00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:05,320 So yeah, that's rubber duck debugging. 394 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,720 And if you ever decide to go back to tech, you have something 395 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,880 to help you. Yeah, maybe to encourage you to 396 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:15,080 go back to tech, it's another tech adjacent question like you 397 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,600 know, so it just happened that way. 398 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,440 I am glad, I'm glad. Please help me with it. 399 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,400 So there's a 2 parter again, so you know, and it's another 400 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,400 interesting sort of like, you know, 1 connect to the other 401 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,080 sort of thingy. So this is a device that when 402 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,040 fitted onto a loom, right? Like a weaving loom simplifies 403 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,280 the process of manufacturing textiles with complex pattern. 404 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,960 It revolutionized like viewing as well to something because it 405 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,240 made like complex patterns a lot easier to do and also is set to 406 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,800 inspired Charles Babbage's Analytical engine. 407 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,840 OK, so you fit it onto a loom and it kind of makes the 408 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,480 patterns easier. So what kind of device are we 409 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,120 talking about? OK. 410 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:58,000 So it has to do with the world of viewing, but also inspired 411 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,640 Childs Babbage's first computer is it? 412 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,360 Analytical Engine. A first analytical engineer. 413 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,880 Like if you think about it, this is programming Like what you're 414 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,400 doing when you do this device is in a way, it's like a 415 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,440 rudimentary sort of like, you know, giving instructions and 416 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,760 making the loom sort of repeat the instruction. 417 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:19,880 That's kind of what you're doing. 418 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,280 OK, right. In the most fundamental sense of 419 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,280 what programming is, right. Makes sense. 420 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,440 Yeah, right. And this is a word that I would 421 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,360 know from the world of technology. 422 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:31,720 Or would I note otherwise? Actually it's an inventor's 423 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,240 name. So that's like what you know it 424 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,200 by the process. Basically, it's like this 425 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,920 person's process kind of like, you know, transform many things, 426 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,680 including computing. And it also transformed weaving. 427 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,120 It's like 18th century, like, you know, late 18th, early 19th 428 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:47,560 century, sort of what one name comes to mind when you talk 429 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:52,680 about weaving in that time? I I think I think you're 430 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,520 overestimating my knowledge of history of 19th century weavers 431 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,320 and the innovators in weaving. I'm not too sure if I know too 432 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,000 many names. You hear it as something loom, 433 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,800 but that it's technically sort of inaccurate. 434 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:10,480 The only word that I can think of before loom is power loom, 435 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,600 but I don't think that's named after a person. 436 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,560 I think that's just power. A French person whose name is 437 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,320 like, you know, associated with loom. 438 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:24,400 No French person, Something loom and something through the tech 439 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:24,840 world. No. 440 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,320 Give me another hint maybe? Basically, it's like it's the 441 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,360 earliest sort of punch card system effectively. 442 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:31,960 So what you do is you punch the patterns onto like, you know, 443 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,680 cards and then you attach them to the loom. 444 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,200 And then like when you're weaving, you like the cards kind 445 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,640 of I think appear on particular places and whatnot, and they 446 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,360 kind of let you help guide the loom in like particular ways. 447 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,440 And you? Know how punch cards became like 448 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,280 the early IBM started off as punch cards and whatnot, So just 449 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,840 like the one of the earliest sort of applications of punch 450 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,680 cards in that sense. French sounding name so I 451 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:55,800 always. So what's like the most? 452 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,800 Stereotypical French name you can think of. 453 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,320 Pierre. Not Pierre, but like the other 454 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,840 like maybe English name and like the French equivalent of that I 455 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,200 maybe like, you know, like what's this most stereotypical 456 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,320 English name? Timothy Chalamet. 457 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:15,400 No, no. Oh, I feel like I've heard this 458 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,680 in this context. I don't know if I'm completely 459 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,680 off the mark, though. Is it jacquard? 460 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,680 Jacquard. I don't know how to pronounce. 461 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,640 Yes, yes, it is Jacquard's loom or Jacquard's card. 462 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:31,200 And then the the he had some modifier to basically control 463 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,680 how the loom operated. And that's how Charles Babbage 464 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:35,800 also was inspired. Yes. 465 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,640 OK, vaguely remember it from some computing class. 466 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,000 See. It's computing history. 467 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:46,920 Yeah, OK, OK, Cool, cool, cool. Joseph Murray Jacquard in 1804. 468 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,480 Now to link this to closer to home. 469 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:54,120 Basically, like, you know, another GI tagged OK, typically 470 00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:58,000 uses the Jacquard loom to produce these silk saris. 471 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,120 And this tradition dates back to at least 14th or 15th centuries. 472 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,080 They are particularly well known for their gold and silver zari 473 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,760 work. So you know what zari is, right? 474 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,360 I think zari is like the yeah, yeah. 475 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,400 So gold and silver zari work. So with GI tag product. 476 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,960 Okay, I don't know about the loom part of it so much 477 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,320 obviously, but I'm gonna take a guess because of the gold sari 478 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,760 work. Is it Kanjivaram? 479 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,400 So if you think of silk sarees in India, like on the top 480 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,480 kanjivaram is 1, this is not kanjivaram. 481 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,800 So what's the next sort of place that comes to mind? 482 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,880 And the other one I can think of, the top of my head is 483 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,680 Banarsi. Is it Banarsi sari? 484 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,640 So it is Banarasi. Banarasi sari. 485 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,520 Ah, okay. So Banarasi sarees are typically 486 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,840 done with Jakart because like you see that kind of maybe those 487 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,520 distinctive patterns, right? Like those motives, repeated 488 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,320 motives like those are a lot easier to do with. 489 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:52,080 Like a Shakart device that. Interesting, interesting. 490 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,600 These products especially like, you know, we take a lot of it 491 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,400 for granted, I guess, like, you know, sarees and it's just so 492 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,000 fascinating. Think about like, once you start 493 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,400 thinking about how they're made, oh, it's crazy. 494 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,600 There's gonna be a visually rich episode. 495 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,920 I'm gonna all of these displayed for anybody watching it. 496 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,160 In case you aren't, this is incentive to go check us out on 497 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,960 YouTube. Yeah, yeah. 498 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,680 Well, you brought us close to home, so I'm going to continue 499 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,280 right from there. And you have to tell me what 500 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:23,920 competition was it that there were five finalists in and these 501 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,640 were Nundita, Korea, Mehrotra, That's one person. 502 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,240 Hitesh Padmashali, second person. 503 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:37,120 The third one is Shibin KK, 4th person is Shahrukh J Irani and 504 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:41,600 the 5th person is D Udaya Kumar. What competition? 505 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:46,080 That these five people came with the finalist What Indian? 506 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,840 Level competition Were these the five finalists for Is there 507 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,240 always 5 every? Year kind of thingy, like are 508 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,000 they competing against each other or is it one of those 509 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,080 things where they're all independently done something and 510 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,640 like no, they're being recognized for this was the 511 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,400 first. And the only time that this has 512 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,960 happened in India will Can it happen again or is? 513 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,280 It like one of those like you know, it'll never happen again. 514 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,360 I don't see it. Happening anytime in the 515 00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:09,960 foreseeable future, but hey, who knows? 516 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,880 Uday Kumar and then. This is like, it's a pretty 517 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,040 bunch of diverse names. There's not clearly one reason. 518 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,120 It's like kind of like, you know, Pan. 519 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:18,080 So I'm thinking, is it something to do with like, you know, some 520 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,400 award that they're nominated for or something like that? 521 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,840 No, no, no. Not an award that they were 522 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,680 nominated for. It was a open competition to 523 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,680 anybody and everybody I guess from India. 524 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,320 I don't know if they're restricted to only Indians but 525 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,600 well, given the finalists, I imagine it was Indian centric 526 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,320 and it was a competition being held in India. 527 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,000 Sounds like, you know, maybe a very. 528 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,760 Facetious answer. Like, you know who's listened to 529 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,960 the most episodes of Monkey Bap or something like that or? 530 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,520 Who's listening to the most episodes of Are You Quizzing Me? 531 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:55,040 That would be my father. No, my father is not one of the 532 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,080 finalists. Government related is that? 533 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,440 That's the other thing I'm thinking of. 534 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,080 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is like, you know, AIR. 535 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,200 One for civil service exams, something like that. 536 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,840 But that would not be a. One once only thing, right? 537 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,520 That's true. That's true. 538 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,320 Like, but five people perhaps like is a little unusual, I 539 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,400 would say, but like you know, or within line for something or you 540 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,640 know, like for some position or something like that. 541 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,160 I I think right now, right? Now it's way too, way too 542 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,280 open-ended for you to make a very good educated guess. 543 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,120 So I'll help you out. First, I'll give you the 544 00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:28,240 timeline. The finalist was decided on 15th 545 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,080 July 2010. OK. 546 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:35,640 And that was D Udaya Kumar DU. Udaya Kumar was associate 547 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,480 professor at IIT Guwahati. Maybe he has been promoted now, 548 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,880 maybe he's moved, I'm not sure. But back in 2010, Udaya Kumar 549 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,680 was an associate professor at IIT Guwahati. 550 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,160 Oh, is this the rupee thing? Is this like the design of the 551 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,680 rupee? Because I vaguely remember. 552 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,400 Very impressive. I thought you'd need at least 553 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,280 two more hints, but that was very quick. 554 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,800 Well done, well done. Yes, this is the rupee symbol. 555 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,560 These were the five finalists for the rupee design, but I. 556 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,680 I think. The deserved design won the 557 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,480 award, but the other finalists were also pretty great. 558 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:17,240 Surprisingly, I think Hitesh, Padma Shali, their design is 559 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,960 also quite similar. Quite similar. 560 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,560 All. All of the designs are actually 561 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,720 vaguely similar, so I think you can tell where the judges were 562 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,760 sort of inclined towards. Deodhar Kumar's design is 563 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,200 simple. It's beautiful. 564 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,800 It is. It captures somehow both the 565 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:42,920 English are and the Hindi or Dev Nagari has the line across the 566 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,800 which is emblematic of a lot of currencies with the line either 567 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,680 vertically through it or horizontally through it. 568 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:53,680 So yeah, I think he managed to do something very impressive 569 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,120 with the design. Previous one was the Hindi 570 00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:58,680 letter, right? That was, that's what it was, I 571 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,360 think, I presume. Or was it never a official 572 00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:01,640 symbol? I don't think there was an 573 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:02,240 official. Symbol. 574 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:07,000 It was always Rs or RE for rupees and RE for rupee right? 575 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,440 Yes, this was only made official in 2010. 576 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,480 Like I mentioned, 15 July 2010 was when they decided on the 577 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,920 winner. And it has an ISO symbol now. 578 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,600 So you can use it in any technological communication as 579 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,240 well. So that's where the rupee symbol 580 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,640 comes from, from an open competition and which was won by 581 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,200 an associate professor in IIT Guwahati, D Uday Kumar. 582 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,520 And what a legacy to have left. Very impressive. 583 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,320 That's true, yeah. Crazy. 584 00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:37,520 Yes, I get like 1 of this like 99% invisible things, right? 585 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,520 Like, you know, that you don't think, pay attention to and then 586 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,160 there's a story behind all of them. 587 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,240 Yeah, I think we've recommended that enough times in this port. 588 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,960 Can't recommend it enough. Can't recommend it enough. 589 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,800 So moving. Away from India, because, you 590 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,280 know, I think we spend a lot of time there. 591 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,280 Let's go to somewhere like a little very different. 592 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,400 So this person was a Swedish astronomer, physicist and 593 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:03,400 mathematician who founded the Uppsala Astronomical Observatory 594 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,400 in 1741. What he's most known for today, 595 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,960 he proposed in a paper to the Royal Society of Sciences in 596 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,080 Uppsala in 1742. So it became. 597 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:21,080 What we think of now, you know, thanks to Carl Linnaeus, who if 598 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,320 you know, is the one who kind of another did a lot of the work on 599 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,680 taxonomy species. And I think it's the same 600 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,480 Linnaeus, if I'm not mistaken, who a year after this person's 601 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,840 death in 1745, so kind of relatively soon, he just 602 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:39,240 proposed a simple correction. What this person had proposed 603 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,960 was, you know, did not lend itself to practical measurement. 604 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,920 So Carl Inez suggested that why don't we do this one thing And 605 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,480 then like, that's kind of what we do now. 606 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,640 So who and what? I mean, what am I talking about? 607 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,600 South Upsala? Was founded by this person 608 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,480 Upsala Astronomical. Observatory was founded by this 609 00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,680 person. Oh OK, got it. 610 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:00,160 Got it. Got it. 611 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,840 So that's an astronomical observatory this person founded. 612 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,920 So does their work have to do with astronomy? 613 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,200 So I said he's an. Astronomer, physicist and 614 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,000 mathematician. And the change was proposed by 615 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,440 Carl Linnaeus, who's a botanist, taxonomist. 616 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,480 Like, you know, it's like, it's not really like an, I think he's 617 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,960 an astronomer, maybe a big polymath. 618 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,480 OK, so. Not, not an astronomy, probably 619 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,480 something to do with maybe the physical sciences, the life 620 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,280 sciences. And this is the 18th century, 621 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,920 right? Yeah, early, like 17. 42 You can 622 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,640 say that you know this person is kind of run out decisively in 623 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:44,680 kind of most places except one. This feels like a SI unit kind 624 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:45,800 of nonsense. Again. 625 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,880 This feels like it's going to be those Americans ruining it for 626 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,000 the rest of the world. Yeah, yeah, you're saying this 627 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,360 person won out. So it's not one of those quirky, 628 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,920 stupid foot inches yards # nonsense. 629 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,440 No, no, no. An. 630 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,520 SI Unit. That is named after a person. 631 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,040 There are quite a few, Yeah, I think most of them. 632 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,080 If I'm not mistaken, are probably named after people, 633 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,480 yeah. Something that America. 634 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,360 Does notably different from most of us is I'm trying to think of. 635 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,680 Fundamental stuff. I'm not, I'm not trying to go 636 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,520 into like pressure and and pressure is pretty fundamental. 637 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,360 You can say but but yeah, I'm talking more. 638 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,240 Yeah, I was. Thinking meters, second gram, 639 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,360 but none of those. Yes, it is more. 640 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,720 Fundamental than that. So gram is not named after a 641 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,720 person? Not named after a person, yeah. 642 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,000 Yeah, yeah. Anyway, the SI unit is kilogram, 643 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,200 I believe. It's not a gram. 644 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,440 I don't want to think too much of SI. 645 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,920 Because technically SI unit is different I think but. 646 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,360 Think along with the fundamental. 647 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,800 Things like you said, yeah, wait, you're done. 648 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,960 Like you know, length you've thought of length is also not a 649 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,080 person not wait. Not time, not length, 650 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,960 fundamental units. Apart from that, yeah. 651 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,880 Oh, temperature. Oh, is it? 652 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,320 So Kelvin would be the SI unit, but you're saying it's not SI? 653 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,440 Yeah, so Kelvin is British. Then I'm assuming it's Celsius. 654 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,760 Yeah, Celsius, yes, this is. Andes Celsius, so he originally 655 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,960 proposed it as boiling .00 and. Freezing point is 100. 656 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,160 Oh, I've read this piece of trivia. 657 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,440 I've come across Visa trivia somewhere, and this guy, what's 658 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,960 his name? This guy is a taxonomist. 659 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,040 Carlenez. Carlenez. 660 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:24,280 He invited it. Yes. 661 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,840 Yes, yes, yes, yes. Though I think like the I. 662 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,000 Think the other one Fahrenheit is I'm not sure where which 663 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,440 country thing is. I'm not sure it's German or 664 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,080 Dutch or something, but some people say that Fahrenheit scale 665 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,320 is like better because in some sense, like, you know, it like 666 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,600 it's more realistic in terms of, you know, how you observe 667 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,800 temperatures. Like in the kind of the ranges 668 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,960 that we think of. Like, you know, like 100 is 669 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,600 warm, whereas like, you know, you'll never will like, count to 670 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,600 100°C. Like, you know, like that means 671 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,080 you're probably like dead already at that point or dying 672 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,600 or, you know, in agony. But like, yeah, then like 0 673 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,400 Fahrenheit is still something that a person would experience, 674 00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,280 right? Right, right. 675 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,120 Right, right. There's like argument to be. 676 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,200 Made that Fahrenheit is more natural OK? 677 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,840 The reason they kind of calibrated. 678 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,200 That also is probably to be close to human temperature 679 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,840 right? Which is 98.6 right Fahrenheit. 680 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,640 Just a small. Bonus thing, so I said he was, 681 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,880 you know, he founded in 1741. He died in 75. 682 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,240 He died like relatively young. So what do you think he died 683 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,600 from fever? Did he have a fever that. 684 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,360 He died. I don't know why I'm laughing at 685 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,640 this poor man's death. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. 686 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:25,840 No, I thought because of Celsius. 687 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,840 And Fahrenheit. And he died because of that, 688 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,240 because it's a throwback to something. 689 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,760 That we've actually discussed. So what? 690 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,880 What do you think he died from? He died of something. 691 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,640 That we have discussed, yes. Oh, didn't we discuss that? 692 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,080 Tuberculosis I think. Yes, he died of TB. 693 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,880 As well, everything is tuberculosis. 694 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,120 The book Yes, Everything is tuberculosis. 695 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,920 So Celsius died from tuberculosis as well. 696 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,560 So I thought it was like a nice throwback to yeah, cool, since 697 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,080 we were. Talking about something morbid. 698 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,200 This person dying of TB? I'm going to ask you what is the 699 00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,920 very end? This is a dark question. 700 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:02,800 If you're not in the mood to dampen a spirit, skip ahead to a 701 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,280 listener. But what is the name given to 702 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,679 the horizontal scar at the base of the throat which results from 703 00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:15,480 surgery to remove a thyroid cancer caused by a specific 704 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,800 reason, with the specific reason I can think of? 705 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,520 Is smoking or something like that or like chewing tobacco or 706 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,560 what not smart? Guess not. 707 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,840 The answer in this case, not the reason that I'm looking for, so 708 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,360 it won't be the most common reason. 709 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,280 Very few people would have encountered this, but boy or 710 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,040 boy, from whatever I've read, it is a gruesome way to go. 711 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,000 OK, people. Who? 712 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,159 Have to undergo surgery to remove it from their throat. 713 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,440 Have usually a scar there. What is both the reason I'm 714 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,400 asking and what is it called? Perhaps the reason will be the 715 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,280 first answer you'll get to and then you can figure out what is 716 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,239 called. So the other thing I think. 717 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,960 Of something like, you know, something to do workplace 718 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,719 conditions. So like mining, that's the other 719 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,760 thing I think of like there's something to inhalation of like, 720 00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,440 you know, like, you know, 'cause it's black lung. 721 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,000 Very, very good guess. And also very close because it 722 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,520 doesn't have to do with the mining specifically, but it does 723 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,760 have to do with the occupational hazard, OK, occupational. 724 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:09,920 Hazard. Interesting. 725 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,120 OK, so we've started mining that. 726 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,960 Is it just like millwork or something like that, Like, you 727 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,680 know, plus flour inhalation. That's the other thing. 728 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,200 I know it's like apparently very bad for you. 729 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,560 Yeah, Yeah. But. 730 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,120 Think of something. Think of something more way more 731 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,640 modern radiation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 732 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,440 Yeah, OK, so I'll give it to you. 733 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,520 The reason is a fallout from a nuclear accident, right? 734 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:33,320 OK, so Chernobyl. So Chernobyl is in. 735 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,280 The name What is the full name? Chernobyl Dash is the name given 736 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,800 to the horizontal scar at the base of the throat. 737 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,760 Oh, Chernobyl. Dash, is it OK what let we got 738 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,720 then souvenir or something like that like they like, you know, 739 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,360 call it like a very morbid way like it is it is. 740 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,320 Very dark. It is, it is it is. 741 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,240 It puts it into a very different life. 742 00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:01,000 That word was probably never used in such a dark torn text, 743 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,720 except for like maybe this instance. 744 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,760 Chernobyl gift close, close. Think of something more 745 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:12,120 ornamental and specific to the location of this car necklace. 746 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,400 It's a Chernobyl necklace. It is one of those things which 747 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,720 is you. You perhaps don't realize it 748 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:23,760 till you understand what it refers to because sounds at the 749 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,880 outset sounds very nice. And the other one that I always 750 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,280 think of is the Chelsea Grin. That's the. 751 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,480 That's the Joker thing, right? It's also called a Cheshire. 752 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,600 Green it's also called a Glasgow smile. 753 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:42,160 I don't know what's happening in the British Isles but something 754 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,400 crazy. It's a wound cause by making a 755 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,360 cut from the corners of a victims mouth up to the ears, 756 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,720 leaving a scar in the. I'm sorry, I should have given a 757 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:51,760 big content warning. Yeah. 758 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,040 Yeah, that this is a little. Graphic. 759 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's one of those words. 760 00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:59,240 That it just, it's so disturbing when you realize what it means. 761 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,080 A Glasgow smile at the outset sounds very cute. 762 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,080 And then you realize, oh, that's dark Chernobyl necklace. 763 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,000 I will leave. Our audience with this question, 764 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,200 at least with one last one, which is the Colombian necktie 765 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,440 of only Google it. If you. 766 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,920 Can stand something gory. Otherwise, don't do it HK. 767 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,880 I know you don't like that stuff, so for you I'd recommend 768 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,880 not Googling it. Is this what the gangsters? 769 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,720 Used to do or something. Yeah. 770 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:25,600 Yep, Yep. Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep. 771 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,960 You. You don't want to Google it 772 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,880 unless you have a stomach for it. 773 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,400 But yes, this goes back to what I was saying about Columbia 774 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,320 necktie. Glasgow smile. 775 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:42,400 Back to the Chernobyl necklace, a very, very dark thing that has 776 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,880 a deceptively pretty name. So that is shown over necklace 777 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,720 for you HK. Do you have one last question 778 00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:50,640 for us before we wrap up this episode? 779 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,000 OK, so. I like, you know, like I know 780 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,680 I've kind of gone off base a bit with my questions and I'm going 781 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,840 to bring it back home to my kind of turf. 782 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,320 So this is the daily question of my set. 783 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,360 Go for it. This person was. 784 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,200 Kind of popularly known as Adi Naidilika Malik. 785 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,720 So Annie, this is obviously a term not from recent times, but 786 00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:14,000 like, you know, from the 40s, fifties, when New Delhi was new, 787 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,320 he got his start as a contractor. 788 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,280 One of his first jobs was to transport the foundation stones 789 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,320 of the Viceroy House in New Delhi. 790 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,480 So in a way, he laid the foundation stone for New Delhi. 791 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,080 Like, in a weird sort of way, right? 792 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,160 He would go on to build. What is regarded as New Delhi's 793 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,960 first apartment complex because again, like New Delhi had a lot 794 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,600 of bungalows, which is called and it's probably the biggest 795 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,000 hint is Sujan Singh Park. It still exists. 796 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,640 It's in Kanye Khan market. So who is this person if you 797 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,920 remember the the name and more importantly, who is his famous 798 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,280 son who would go on to live and die in Sujan Singh Park? 799 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,480 He'll probably one of the most famous residents of Sujan Singh 800 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,080 Park so. You said Adi Dillika Malik and 801 00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:01,720 my my first instinct was to say Latin because Latin's Delhi but 802 00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:03,880 Latin's in own. Delhi So this person actually 803 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,200 owned a bunch of land and now I gather is. 804 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:12,240 Somebody Indian so doesn't make sense and his son is a famous 805 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,600 Indian person I'm guessing who was lived and died in in Delhi. 806 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,280 Very famous. Famous. 807 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:25,640 Delhi person, son was a writer. Author, lawyer, diplomat, 808 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,880 journalist and politician RK. Lakshman RK. 809 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,040 Lakshman is not from Delhi, right? 810 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,160 No, no, not Delhi. Malgudi is thinking of like 811 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,280 that's not Delhi, Delhi, Delhi person like you know this 812 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,960 mention the mention the. Qualification. 813 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,400 Something is the back of my head. 814 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:41,880 Author. Lawyer. 815 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,800 Diplomat, Politician. Journalist. 816 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,360 Diplomat. The only thing I can think of is 817 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,120 this I remember from his memoir. I think you're talking about 818 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,120 Khushwant Singh. Yes, this is Khushwant Singh. 819 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,440 So the sign is Khushwant Singh. Khushwant Singh's father. 820 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,960 Was this famous? Yes, yes. 821 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,920 Oh, OK, OK, OK, OK. So it's called Adi. 822 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,440 Naidilika Malik. So I guess you probably don't 823 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:05,800 know the name. It was Sobha Singh. 824 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,160 Sobha Singh. So one of his earliest. 825 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,160 Contracts was basically to move the viceroy stones, the stones, 826 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,440 the foundation stones from, you know, Kingsway to Risena Hill. 827 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,800 So in 1912, right? So Viceroy Harding, this is not 828 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,000 the thing where there was an assassination attempt on him. 829 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,480 That's also a very famous sort of like, you know, Delhi story, 830 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,480 like, you know, during, again, another one of these dead bars. 831 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,680 So he was there nearby when that assassination had attempt 832 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,760 happened. And then I think apparently when 833 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,280 Bhagat Singh, I think in some Delhi court or something, he 834 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,520 detonated the bomb. He was there again at that time 835 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,640 because he was a lawyer. Wow. 836 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,600 That, you know, he was part of. The British elite at that point, 837 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,640 like apparently Gandhi used to stay at his house a lot and 838 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,920 Jinnah used to walk around this. One of those things, like one of 839 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,280 those people that is just Subha Singh, is like. 840 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,760 The Forrest Gump of Indian is which is there at every iconic 841 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,560 moment, more. Like, you know, involved then 842 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,600 Forrest more consequential. In a way, yeah, that is true. 843 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:05,520 Yeah. So. 844 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,160 It's very interesting. Wow. 845 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,320 I had no idea Khushan Singh came from such a storied history. 846 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:17,560 Yeah, Adi Naidilika Malik's son is a is some sort of a stepping 847 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,200 stone. Yeah, very. 848 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,400 Cool history lesson. And Delhi lesson. 849 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,280 I like it all rolled into one, right? 850 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:24,840 Great. Notes to end. 851 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:30,680 This episode on and before we do I have to ask or other answer 852 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,640 the audience question that I asked in the beginning. 853 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,960 So HK, any guesses as to what is the name of the website? 854 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,040 And this website is specifically in the entertainment space that 855 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,080 has been around for more than a decade but gained popularity 856 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,760 especially during COVID as most of us were relying for online 857 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,320 entertainment during that space during that phase. 858 00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:55,120 And it gets its name from a technique used in transferring 859 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,920 from one format to another. I'm being very vague, but 860 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,120 hopefully you can figure it out. I'm thinking like, you know, 861 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,160 it's like the. But it's very tiny. 862 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,280 Is it F FM, PG? But it's not a, it's not a 863 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,360 website, it's a tool, I think YouTube Downloader. 864 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,960 Right. I've never used it, I don't 865 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,440 know. What you're talking about, you 866 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:20,640 criminal. OK, so to be very specific, this 867 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,480 is a website that has to do with films and it's it's probably the 868 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,920 second or the third most important website and when it 869 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,760 comes to films after IMDb and and Rotten Tomatoes, Right, 870 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,840 right, right, right. And everybody's been. 871 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,520 Talking about it for the last few years, there's rips and. 872 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,520 Whatnot go back even further. I'm. 873 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,360 Talking about like, if I made a film, I wanted to show it on TV, 874 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,960 I would have to do this thing, OK? 875 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,080 To be able to show that film on. TV. 876 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,360 And that's where this website gets its name also. 877 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,440 Oh, right. OK, so it's like that. 878 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,040 What do you call it? It's it's like the the the tape 879 00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,520 is digitizing the tape effectively, right? 880 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,560 Like the real. I'm sure there were things that. 881 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,440 They had to do in that space. I'm not talking about that. 882 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,200 I'm talking about formats. When I said format, I meant, you 883 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,920 know what, I'm going to break it on you further for you. 884 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,760 Aspect ratio. Think aspect ratio, Right, 885 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,240 Right, Right, right, right. The one which is very popular 886 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:16,000 is. The wide format right which is 887 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,000 extremely wide screen 69 or what not. 888 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,960 Yeah. So the ratio. 16 is tonight you 889 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,360 would do something to that white screen film to be able to show 890 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,240 it on TV while maintaining that aspect ratio black bars, right 891 00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:31,800 so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's like 892 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,280 2. So what do you call it? 893 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,800 What is that called? That gives its name to the 894 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,680 website in the entertainment space, which is something every 895 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:46,200 cinephile knows, every random Twitter film critic knows. 896 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:47,560 Like, they talk about it all the time. 897 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,520 They are obsessed with it all the time. 898 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,600 Is that where you store? Your you know that's letter box. 899 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,160 That's the yes that is it letter. 900 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,760 Boxed. Is it letter box? 901 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:56,640 Oh. It's letter boxed. 902 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:57,040 OK. OK. 903 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,600 It is letter boxed. OK, so adding. 904 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,040 Those black bars is called letter boxing. 905 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:03,840 How? In a letter box, you have a slot 906 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,240 that you put your letter through, right? 907 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,880 Right, that's what it looks. Like so they called it 908 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:14,360 letterboxing because you want to make the white screen appear as 909 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,440 white screen but on TV obviously you need to add something. 910 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,120 So they add the black bars on both the bottom, bottom at the 911 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:24,160 top and that gives its name to the website which is letterbox. 912 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,120 And do you know what you do? What is it called when say you 913 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:32,040 have to add it on the sides of square format film, right? 914 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,520 What would you do to show it on TV when ribboning or something 915 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:36,920 like that? Pillar boxing. 916 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,320 So letterbox, but you add pillars on the side. 917 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,320 So it's called pillar boxing. Yeah, right. 918 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,280 Pillar boxing letterboxing. And that's where Letterbox, the 919 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,280 website gets its name. Hey, nice. 920 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,400 Are you on letterbox or do you? Follow people on letterbox by 921 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,080 any chance? No, I don't I. 922 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,320 Keep up with it, I don't. Specifically follow it, but once 923 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,480 in a while I'll go check. Martin Scorsese's letterbox 924 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,680 account was at one point the most followed account on the 925 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,800 website because everybody wanted to know what Martin Scorsese 926 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,480 thinks about films. But yeah, that brings us very 927 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,480 neatly to our pop culture recommendations. 928 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,520 HK hit us quickly with what do you think is good that you've 929 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,520 seen recently? I went and saw this. 930 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,320 Anime movie or it's called the anime is called demon Slayer. 931 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,800 So this is kind of the final arc of the movie. 932 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,400 And then it's it's one of those movies that, you know, you feel 933 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,240 like you have to see it like those things that even though 934 00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:30,600 it's anime like it's beautifully like, you know, animated. 935 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:35,160 It's like I think CGI and hand drawn animations and yeah, on 936 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,840 the big screen. Great experience. 937 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:38,920 Another. Movie that I. 938 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,840 Went and watched recently. Also was surprising. 939 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,880 It's called Loca. I know that Vinita's mentioned 940 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,280 it already. I'm not sure, but there's this. 941 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,520 Yeah, it's this Malayalam movie. It's a part of a new sort of 942 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:55,000 cinematic universe, sort of not the probably the most well known 943 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,440 stars, at least like the leads, but it's a beautiful sort of, 944 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,160 again, like one of those movies that you know, you want to 945 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,400 watch. Their well shot and a very 946 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,200 intriguing story. It's like Supernatural but set 947 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,080 in the Indian context. Madam Cinema. 948 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:15,240 Breaking expectations and setting the bar as they often 949 00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:17,160 end up doing. It is. 950 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,840 It is. A very impressive film culture 951 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,440 in India for sure. Malayalam films. 952 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,960 I have to recommend another film. 953 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,720 So I'm going to do a film recommendation and again, and 954 00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:29,040 that's going to be Humans in the Loop. 955 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:35,480 And this is a Hindi Kuruk language film that is directed 956 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,200 by Aranya Sahai and it follows an Adivasi woman who 957 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,440 unexpectedly finds herself interacting with AI. 958 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,360 And I'm going to leave it at that. 959 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,600 This is from the Wikipedia page. That's what I'm going to leave 960 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,360 it because it I, I don't know, maybe I thought it would be a 961 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,040 little preachy or maybe it would be a little because I'm always 962 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,600 curious as to how a director handles these topics which are 963 00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,640 not very often talked about in cinema. 964 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,480 And kudos to any act director, by the way, trying it out. 965 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:08,360 It's never easy, but this is a film which doesn't come across 966 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,920 as either preachy or telling you either about the Adivasi culture 967 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,920 in India or talking about AI with a very heavy-handed way. 968 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,360 But it but it still just hits the right spot when it comes to 969 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,400 good films. And so you have to check out 970 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,680 Humans in the Loop. I believe it's not in theaters 971 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,160 anymore. It was there briefly, of course. 972 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,240 As good movies. Are they leave cinema very 973 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:33,040 quickly, but as humans in the loop if you can catch it online 974 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,640 do do that and that is the end of the pop culture 975 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,000 recommendations, which brings us to my very quick and short plea 976 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,640 to go check us out on any podcasting platform. 977 00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,960 If you're already listening to us, you could watch us on video 978 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:51,360 podcasts on YouTube or on Spotify and we are on Reddit. 979 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,440 So R slash arequising me you can e-mail us at 980 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,440 arequising.me@gmail.com. You can also, so hit us up on 981 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,520 Instagram where we are at. Are you quizzing me? 982 00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:00,680 Always love to hear from you if you have any thoughts, any 983 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,920 feedback, any ideas, any suggestions and always, always 984 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,720 send us trivia. Lovely to see fun If we are 985 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:10,360 coming in from audience members and we do share it whenever we 986 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,000 can and we need to once he's back, we'll be sharing some of 987 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,960 the audience questions that I know he has received in the 988 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,640 recent past because I can see the emails, but I obviously 989 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,160 don't open it. So those questions coming soon. 990 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:26,000 And yeah, I believe that's it. So recommend this podcast for 991 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,520 anybody who likes trivia and who likes to know more about Delhi, 992 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,640 about history, about now textiles. 993 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,880 Also, I guess HK, I'm counting on the next episode having some 994 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,720 coffee trivia. OK, I, I feel like you always 995 00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:38,560 trust to give us some fun coffee trivia. 996 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,560 HK's promise to come back actually with a very fun format. 997 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,960 So look forward to that guest episode. 998 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,480 Once we need this back, we'll do a guest episode of HK where he's 999 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,440 going to do a slightly different quizzing format. 1000 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,080 Looking forward to that. Cool. 1001 00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:52,480 Thank you so much HK for joining us one more time. 1002 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,480 Any last thoughts? No, love it. 1003 00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:58,600 There should never be a last thought. 1004 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,040 There will be more thoughts always. 1005 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,160 OK. See you guys next week. 1006 00:49:14,190 --> 00:49:16,590 I will be very disappointed if you don't get this very soon. 1007 00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:17,670 Yeah. So like, no.