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Episode one O 9 of Are you 
quizzing me Right off the bat? 

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Here's the audience question, 
the answer to which is revealed 

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right at the end of the episode.
Make sure you stick around for 

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it. 
The question is, when and where 

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was the last telegram ever sent?
When and where was the last ever

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And on that note, let's have the
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Welcome to Are you quizzing me? 
I am Vineet Nair with my Co host

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Aditya Kashyap. 
This is a quizzing trivia 

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Join us as we dive deep into 

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Let's get quizzing. 
Welcome back to Are You Quizzing

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Me? 
Your favorite trivia podcast 

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show. 
Today is yet another special 

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episode because we have a guest 
quiz. 

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Master stepping in Vineet is 
unavailable. 

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So Hari Krishna HK, one of our 
most regular guests, one of the 

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most prolific guests on this 
podcast is back to help us out 

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with some wonderful trivia. 
I must clarify at this point 

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that we both recorded an episode
which we are not able to use. 

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So we have some questions from 
HK that have already been used 

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in an unaired episode, which 
will make a comeback in the 

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future as well. 
But HK, thanks for doing it the 

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second time. 
Welcome back to Are you using me

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for what, the 10th time I think?
Yeah. 

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Always happy to be back and 
hopefully this time in a better 

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audio form because that's the 
biggest complaint that I've had 

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is that don't use your earphone 
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If anybody from the Apple team 
is listening, your Airpods mic 

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do not work for a podcast 
recording. 

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So please look into that if you 
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I've heard that they're not that
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Also, I've heard complaints many
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So well then Apple really needs 
to start using their own mics in

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their own meetings and know how 
bad they are. 

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But we will not waste any more 
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HK. 
The audience question, by the 

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way, is something I think you'll
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So I was thinking of an audience
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if you don't know the trivia, 
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don't know it, it'll something 
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So at the end of the episode, 
let us know what you think the 

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answer is. 
Since it's a guest episode, how 

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about you start us off with some
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OK, so here's my first question.
Deriving from an old Turkic word

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meaning elder brother. 
What title was reserved in the 

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Ottoman era for senior military 
officers such as the commander 

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of the Janissary? 
I'm going to stop there. 

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If you know the answer, then 
well and good. 

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Otherwise I have a more helpful 
clue for the same word. 

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Older brother Ottoman Empire, 
some sort of OK? 

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A lot of these army positions 
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French origin so I'm not sure if
that would be the right answer. 

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But just because Turkey is 
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and Armano is a brother. 
So I'm thinking, is it by any 

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chance Colonel? 
Just similar vowels I was going 

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for. 
No, no, no. 

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You're way off. 
Oh, take your colonial hat and 

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get it. 
Throw it out of the window 

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because we are not talking about
colonial terms yet. 

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So it appears today. 
So now you are going to see why 

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appears today as part of the 
title of the Imam of Nazari, 

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Ismail ISM, one of whom started 
a committed award for 

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architecture. 
What is happening? 

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So that's how you know this word
in recent times. 

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What do these connect? 
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of Nazari Ismail ISM, which is 
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sect. 
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Shia sects of Islam. 
His title is the same as the 

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title for the older brother. 
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I don't know that there are 
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not sure. 
OK. 

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OK. 
Sorry, can you clarify? 

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Is this a title that has only 
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is it given to all of the 
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No, this is the title. 
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the title Ayatollah? 
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title for the ruler of 
Hyderabad, even if their 

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original whatever names are 
something something. 

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So it's similarly this God I 
got. 

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It's the title, though you might
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OK. 
Unless you know the origins. 

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So this is a title and not a 
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And I think the latter half is 
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architecture award. 
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architecture. 
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Delhi, you definitely have seen 
this name. 

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In the architecture context. 
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Even so they do awards for 
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They also have a lot of grants 
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restored a wonderful monument in
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Hyderabad, the same team. 
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Can you guess what monument in 
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restored at least? 
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monuments in Delhi that have 
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This is not some tiny tiny teeny
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And you know, one can tell that 
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probably before our times, it 
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nowadays, like top three 
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Top three monuments of Delhi. 
OK, let's do this. 

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There is Qutub Minar. 
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I mean, it's been restored, but 
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I don't think it's by this team.
But red, red, red. 

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I think ASI that's under ASI 
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I mean this also is under ASI 
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But yeah, then I would say 
Humaya's tomb. 

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Humaya's Tomb. 
Humaya's tomb has been restored.

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OK. 
Yeah, and if you visited the 

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Humaya's tomb recently, this 
trust name would be there 

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everywhere. 
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literally have them because they
help restore. 

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So not just Humayun's tomb, they
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Sundar Nursery. 
And then there's also this Kani 

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Kanam Abdul Rahman Kani Kanam's 
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up painting the sub's board, 
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just outside Nizamuddin's tomb. 
I think they helped restore that

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also. 
And now they're restoring Qutub 

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Shahi Tomb in Hyderabad. 
I said it's a title that sounds 

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like a name because it's very 
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because it's a very short title.
OK, let me see. 

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So this is a trust, It has given
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restorations. 
Older brother. 

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Is this by the way, the older 
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still used? 
Yeah, in Turkish. 

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Is that what older brother is 
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elder brother. 
No, I'm actually completely 

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lost. 
Wow, absolutely blank on this. 

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It's helping. 
It's something that you can hint

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towards. 
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like word association at this 
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OK, I'll give you the title is 
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The key part, the word we're 
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letters. 
That's why it's very hard to 

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give anything that is. 
I can't believe I'm almost at 

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the point of asking you for the 
first letter, but if it's three 

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letters, I don't know. 
Yeah. 

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It's too embarrassing to ask for
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Give me the 1st letter, the last
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I'll tell you about the middle 
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So actually the first or the 
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Oh. 
OK, OK, OK, then something. 

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I'm assuming Urdu sounding. 
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So I'm going to say it's a, it's
a vowel. 

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Stupidest way I've ever gotten 
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it's a vowel and a vowel at the 
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middle. 
Yes, exactly right, Exactly 

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right. 
OK. 

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IMI imam IMI. 
No, that sounds very weird. 

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Oh, is it ADA or Aga? 
I think it's is it Aga? 

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Aga. 
Aga Khan Aga Khan Trust Aga 

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Khan. 
So Aga Khan is not a person's 

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name. 
Aga Khan is a title. 

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You are kidding me. 
Yes, it's a title for the Imam 

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of Nizari Islamism. 
Currently we have I think Aga 

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Khan the 5th. 
Oh, that is so cool. 

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That is very unexpected. 
Very cool. 

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Oh, also, they're not 12 or 
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different segment. 
But yeah, Agha Khan is their 

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title and Agha Khan trusts are 
called a lot of heritage 

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situation works. 
And the Agha Khan Award for 

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Architecture is, I think, one of
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Wow, very unexpected, very cool,
thank you for that. 

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TIL. 
I love it. 

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I always appreciate how the kind
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are so you it's always a little 
bit of Delhi. 

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I can predictably guarantee that
there will be an Ottoman Empire 

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question somewhere there or some
medieval European history 

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related link somewhere. 
There will be Delhi somewhere. 

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Perfect. 
There's Delhi a lot of places 

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this time, so you will see. 
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OK wow, so this is the Delhi 
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Yes, the Delhi Special in some 
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Well, my my segue to this is 
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Names of cities. 
Wonderful. 

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This is the etymology, and there
are multiple etymologies 

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associated to this name. 
I'm going to give you all of 

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them. 
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halfway through you realize what
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tell me what your answer is. 
The first one is the people who 

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were originally of that space of
that area of that land had a 

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word in their local language 
Istroma. 

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Istroma was used for multiple 
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Potentially the name Istroma, 
which directly translates to 

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their current name, was used for
multiple reasons. 

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One of them could be that it was
supposed to mark a boundary. 

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It was a marker for a boundary 
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two distinct groups. 
So boundary marker for the 

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hunting grounds of two distinct 
groups is stroma was supposed to

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describe that and is stroma is 
like I said, is the local 

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language word which is 
translated to what we currently 

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know it as. 
That is the first potential 

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etymology. 
The other reason that is stroma 

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was given the name is stroma 
could be that it was also a 

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place where people would keep 
the game that they have haunted 

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out to die. 
OK, third reason for naming it 

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is stroma. 
Could be that the tree found in 

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that area had a certain physical
attribute attached to it, 

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certain attribute that described
it. 

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So I've given you 3 potential 
reasons that it was called 

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stroma, which translates to the 
current word current name. 

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The first one was that it was 
supposed to be a boundary marker

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between hunting grounds of two 
groups. 

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Second one, it was named is 
stroma because it was also where

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they dried their game, the fish 
or the game that they haunted. 

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Third reason is also that it 
could be potentially because the

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physical attribute of trees 
found in that area. 

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OK, nothing comes to mind 
immediately from these. 

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So I have made each of these 
clues very big. 

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I've made each of these 
etymologies slightly weak. 

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So let me go back to what I had 
said. 

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OK, The first one, it was 
supposed to be a painted 

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boundary. 
The painting aspect of the 

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boundary is important. 
That was a painted boundary 

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between 2 hunting grounds. 
OK. 

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The second thing that might lead
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potentially were using this for 
using stroma to dry the game 

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that they had haunted or fish 
that haunted. 

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So now imagine if I was drying 
my hunt or my meat that I have 

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freshly haunted. 
What would potentially be around

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that area? 
OK, the third thing would also 

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lead you to the answer which was
the I said a physical attribute 

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of the tree. 
The tree part of it is also 

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relevant to it. 
OK, so they're hunting it and 

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drying it in trees. 
I did. 

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So there's probably some animal 
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is my guess. 
No, so not they're not drying it

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in trees. 
By the way, I said stroma, the 

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name stroma was used to dry the 
meat. 

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Potentially that is one of the 
reasons it was maybe called 

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stroma. 
OK. 

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Is it like a mountain? 
Then much much smaller, much 

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smaller and more man made. 
OK, like some sort of mound or? 

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Not even a mound. 
Smaller or very specific, very 

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pointed. 
OK. 

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If that word play helps you. 
Some sort of cross or stick? 

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Stick. 
OK, great. 

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So you got the stick part of it,
which is why I mentioned the 

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physical attribute of the trees 
and I was talking about the 

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stick, the wood that they would 
use to potential this. 

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So now it is a stick that they 
were drying it on. 

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Now going back to the first one,
I said it's a painted marker of 

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a boundary, OK? 
So if it was painted and the 

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second clue also tells you about
what potentially colour it would

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be if it was drying. 
Red Stick. 

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Red stick. 
Perfect. 

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OK, now you got it. 
Stroma means red stick. 

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Red Stick. 
OK, which? 

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Place gets its name from his 
stroma. 

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It's literal translation not to 
English, but to another 

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language, and it means Red 
Stick. 

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Baton Rouge. 
Baton Rouge. 

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Well done. 
Baton Rouge is the answer. 

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Great job. 
Yes. 

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So Baton Rouge, for anybody who 
doesn't know, is the state 

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capital of the state of 
Louisiana in the United States 

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of America. 
Bouton Rouge has had a pretty 

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interesting history, interesting
events that have happened over 

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the course of American history 
over there. 

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But the reason I always saw 
interesting was Bouton Rouge 

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clearly means the red stick, 
Bouton being a stick, Rouge 

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being red. 
And this is Louisiana was under 

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French influence, King Louis, 
who it's named after. 

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So Bouton Rouge is the French 
translation for Istroma. 

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So potentially there are three 
etymologies for why this was the

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case. 
First one being that it was 

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supposed to mark the boundary, a
red stick marking the boundary 

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for 2 hunting grounds. 
Second was maybe there was a 

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stick that they used to dry 
their game on South. 

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The blood would perhaps seep 
onto the stick and it would be 

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stained red over years. 
And the third reason was there 

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were red cypresses which were in
that area and so they would use 

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the stick from that tree for 
whatever reason and hence it got

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the name is Stroma, which means 
red stick or has escaped very 

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cleverly deduced Baton Rouge. 
Yes, all done. 

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Good job. 
No, I was very wonderful, I 

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think, especially with Native 
American words and translations 

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in the cities. 
This was on the podcast and I 

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think Manhattan also has some 
etymology like that. 

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Yeah, there's something with New
York and like again, a bunch of 

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the stuff that's named after 
Native American words or but 

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Speaking of boundaries and 
roads, this kind of is like a 

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tangential perfect. 
So I think I kind of 

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unintentionally started it last 
time. 

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Also speaking about roads in 
Delhi. 

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So this is another Rd. in Delhi.
It's named after this person. 

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He was the first leader of this 
country, call it country, which 

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was the first of Britain's 
African colonies to gain 

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majority rule independent. 
Among his many titles were 

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Osagaifo, which means Redeemer 
in the Akan language. 

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So as mentioned, he has a road 
named after him in Delhi. 

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Who is this leader whose first 
name has been kind of brought 

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back into the spotlight because 
of recent events now? 

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Recent as in the date we're 
recording this podcast and now 

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when it's going to go out. 
I'm not sure how recent it would

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be at that time, but I would say
still it would still be relevant

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even at that time. 
OK. 

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So let's just put a timeline on 
it. 

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So it is in 2025, yeah. 
March, April, May, June, July, 

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somewhere around there. 
So the so the the recent events,

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the first name is back in this 
thing literally because of 

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something that's happened in the
last week of June. 

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Last week of June. 
Oh, that is very recent. 

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OK. 
Yeah, like 3 days ago. 

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Two 2-3 days ago. 
Yeah. 

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We are recording this on 27th of
June, so very, very recent. 

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But yeah, so the I can give you 
the year the country gained 

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independence in 1957. 
So he was the first leader of 

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this country. 
So if you can guess the country,

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then maybe the leader will 
become obvious. 

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And you said this leader has a 
street in Delhi named after him?

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A road in Delhi named after him?
Yeah, OK. 

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That's also in a way actually a 
hint because it's not like, you 

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know, Delhi streets are named 
after like every leader. 

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Often times their leaders who 
are aligned in some way with 

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Neruvian politics is the most 
common reason. 

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Or at least non aligned 
movement. 

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And he was also, I think, one of
the members of that. 

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OK. 
Because he said it was one of 

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the first few countries to gain 
independence from British 

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colonial rule. 
Because initially I was thinking

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Liberia, but Liberia never 
gained independence from 

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Britain. 
Yeah. 

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It was set up as a Free State 
for formerly enslaved people. 

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I. 
Said 1957. 

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So it's in the the recent realm.
The other British colony that I 

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think gained independence around
that time, one of the first, was

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I believe Ghana. 
Ghana is the country. 

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OK, now we need the name of the 
first leader of Was it the 

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president? 
Prime Minister? 

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What is? 
It I think he was the president.

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I mean, I think he was the Prime
Minister, first Prime Minister 

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and then he became president. 
OK. 

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Basically, we call him the 
father of Ghana in some sense, 

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the modern Ghana in some sense, 
right? 

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This I have no clue whatsoever 
because Ghana history and 

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politics is clearly something I 
don't know too much about. 

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But you said it has something to
do with Nehruvian politics. 

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And you said the first name is 
gain relevance because of recent

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events, as recent as like a few 
days ago, yeah. 

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And last week of June. 
What has been happening that has

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captured imagination 
surprisingly in India as well? 

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Oh. 
Surprisingly India. 

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I was going to say last week of 
June usually in Delhi means 

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monsoon but that's very regular.
No, no, no, no. 

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So even a little bit of a meme 
that this event has so much 

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attention in India, right? 
And I'm sure there's like going 

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to be some very good memes that 
come out of this. 

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Wait, but the name exactly is 
being used referencing the 

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leader? 
Or is it just happens to be 

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coincidence that that name is? 
Yes, yes, yes. 

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So the name was in tribute to 
the leader. 

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Like this person was a, because 
he was the first kind of, he was

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a stalwart of like he basically 
was the leader of Ghana's 

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independent movement also at the
time, Pan Africanism and African

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unity. 
And he, you know, I suppose all 

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those ideas. 
So there are a lot of people who

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kind of pay tribute to him in 
many ways. 

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And so this person involved in 
recent events, his middle name 

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is basically this person's first
name. 

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Oh, this? 
Is an Indian person. 

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Yeah, it's an Indian person. 
Indian origin, yeah. 

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Oh, and then a few days ago 
means probably the New York City

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mayoral race. 
Yes, yes. 

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OK, the names have to that. 
I only know his first name and 

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his last name but I don't know 
his middle name. 

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What his name? 
Mum Dani. 

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Mum, Dani. 
Mum, Daddy, Yes, you almost 

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sound like right now. 
Very, very problematic. 

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I just went to Mehmood. 
Muhammad Mehmood. 

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I was going to go, OK, 
apologies, I am not that basic 

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Zoran. 
Mamdani is his name, but Oh my 

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God, what's his middle name? 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, this is 
this is going to be completely 

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beyond me. 
That's as far as I think I'm 

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going to go on this road. 
Middle name is Zoran Kwame 

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Mamdani, called Kwame because 
the leader's name is Kwame 

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Nkrumah. 
Wow. 

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He was the first leader of Ghana
independence and there's a road 

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after him in Delhi also and one 
of the kind of leading I think 

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there's the Kwame is a very 
common. 

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I think there's probably other 
black activists also who have 

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the name Kwame, Yeah, in their 
names and whatnot. 

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Not mistaken because, yeah, he's
one of the leaders who 

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celebrated because he kind of 
espoused these African Union, 

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Pan African, like the kind of 
the newly like this was also, I 

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think the time, right? 
Like this time that like show 

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that Africa could roll itself. 
People did not expect. 

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There was a lot of skepticism 
and he was one of the no, no, we

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are capable. 
And so there's I think a lot of 

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support, though I think as with 
any great leader, his legacy is 

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in the cleanest. 
But yeah. 

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Interesting. 
And I'm, I'm embarrassed to even

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admit this, but I did not know 
he's Mira Nair's son till like a

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day ago. 
Yeah. 

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This is very People seem to be 
surprised by that. 

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Yeah, I had no idea. 
Yeah, yeah, this is more lower. 

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Apparently he was the one who 
convinced Mira Nair to not 

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direct Harry Potter and instead 
direct the namesake. 

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Oh, apparently she was offered, 
I don't know which one. 

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I think it was Order of the 
Phoenix, but I think he was 

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like, don't direct that, direct 
your own movie instead. 

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Insane. 
And she lost out on billions of 

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dollars. 
Yeah, that's why. 

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I'm looking. 
Did you know that he had a rap 

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career? 
Briefly, yes. 

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Do you know what his name was? 
Cardamom or something, Right? 

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Young cardamom. 
Young cardamom. 

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Yes, yes, yes. 
Something. 

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I was thinking young cardamom 
and I was like, what? 

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That's a very interesting, 
strange choice of a name. 

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Listen, Hindi young cardamom 
would translate to closely 

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enough to choti Elaichi, which 
is actually a spice like 

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elaichi. 
And there's a buddy elaichi and 

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a choti elaichi. 
So I just wonder if he just 

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likes Elaichi Choti Elaichi and 
he's like, I'm going to go as 

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young cardamom. 
Maybe he's a fan of the Spice 

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Girls, you know, So maybe that's
why. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Good for him. 

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Good for. 
Him also apparently in one of 

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his videos, Lupita and yo-yo is 
also there. 

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Oh, I think he grew up in East 
Africa, somewhere in East Africa

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if I'm not mistaken. 
So I don't know if it's because 

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of that or whatnot, but yeah. 
Very cool, Logan. 

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Speaking of, actually, Madhur 
Jaffrey is a name that featured 

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recently on one of the Are You 
Using Me episodes. 

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And the author and actress Madhu
Jaffrey was also in one of his 

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music videos playing his 
grandmother. 

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Ah, little bit of a throwback 
there. 

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OK, so Kwame is the name of the 
first leader, the father of the 

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nation of Ghana. 
And Kwame is the middle name for

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Zoran Mamdani. 
Very cool. 

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OK, so there's a Kwame Marg or 
Kwame Street or Kwame Rd. 

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Kwame Grooma Marg in 
Chanakyapuri, Delhi OK you want 

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to visit? 
Predict predictable. 

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There'll be a Delhi road 
question somewhere also. 

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Yes, I love it. 
And this would be a great 

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opportunity because we already 
recorded this podcast episode 

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earlier. 
Of course, there were different 

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questions. 
So I'm just going to bring one 

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of the references from there 
where I asked HK if he knew why 

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there is a street in Hong Kong 
by the name of Rednexala. 

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Rednexala. 
Yeah. 

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Rednexala Terrace. 
Rednexala Ave. 

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Rednexala Terrace and HK you 
want to tell us you cracked it 

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very quickly when you recorded 
that episode. 

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Also you want to do it this time
around. 

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Yeah, it's. 
Alexander in Rivers, Yeah, it is

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Alexander written backwards. 
And so I think it has to do with

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how the script is. 
Sometimes the old Chinese script

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was written right to left and 
English obviously written left 

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to right. 
So in somewhere in that 

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translation, transliteration of 
things, Alexander got reversed. 

457
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,960
And that's how one of the roads 
in Hong Kong gets its name. 

458
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,320
But yes, I love it. 
HK is nothing if not predictable

459
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,960
in his trivia, which due credit 
is very unpredictable. 

460
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,280
Sometimes the trivia is 
unpredictable. 

461
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:42,480
Perfect, since we are talking 
about famous people after whom 

462
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,840
things are named as weaker 
segues. 

463
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:51,640
That is, I'm going to tell you 
about famous sibling pair of 

464
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,720
siblings and you have to tell me
what have they contribute or 

465
00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,520
what their name has led to or 
named after, right. 

466
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,880
So Chang and Eng Bunker? 
OK. 

467
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:11,320
Born in 1811, were born in Asia 
and eventually moved to the 

468
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:16,520
United States in 1829. 
They had some financial success 

469
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:22,200
all the way till 1839, doing a 
certain activity, after which 

470
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,440
they quit that activity and they
settled in North Carolina. 

471
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,040
They became American citizens. 
They ended up buying slaves. 

472
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,880
So these are people who are 
Asian, but they ended up buying 

473
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:38,120
slaves in the United States of 
America and and ended up 

474
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,720
fathering like 21 children. 
A lot of these people are still 

475
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,280
there. 
They in fact meet together I 

476
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,480
think once in a while as a huge 
family reunion after the Civil 

477
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,760
War, because obviously the 
abolition of slavery happened. 

478
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,480
They lost part of their wealth 
and of course the slaves, they 

479
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,280
went back to doing their 
activity at some point and soon 

480
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,960
thereafter they passed away. 
So I haven't told you what 

481
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,120
activity they were doing and I 
haven't told you specifically 

482
00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:09,800
where in Asia they were from. 
OK. 

483
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,240
So the two things that I was a 
little vague about, can you tell

484
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,160
me what did Chang and Eng 
Bunker? 

485
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:23,200
What name was derived from them?
Chang Eng Right, CHANGEAG and 

486
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,760
bang. 
So let me clarify Chang and Eng.

487
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,040
Their names did not lead to the 
name, but their life and what 

488
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,840
activity they did and yada yada 
yada yeah led to the name. 

489
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,000
One thing immediately comes to 
mind. 

490
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:38,520
General source chicken for some 
reason. 

491
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,400
Because restaurant business and 
whatnot. 

492
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:41,880
No, no. 
Good guess. 

493
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:42,520
Good guess. 
No. 

494
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:47,040
But not general source chicken. 
OK, but is it food related or 

495
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,160
no? 
Solid guess, but no. 

496
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,440
I would have probably also gone 
with food if I heard this 

497
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,480
question, but no, it's not food 
related at all. 

498
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,280
OK, something they did and it's 
not even now like I would know 

499
00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:02,280
it for example. 
It's not in use as much anymore 

500
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,760
but OK. 
Yes you would 100% know it. 

501
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,280
Most people our age will know 
it. 

502
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,960
May be younger people won't know
it in a decade or so. 

503
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,480
OK. 
All of us have heard it. 

504
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,000
Interesting. 
People who grew up in the 90s 

505
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,880
maybe maybe even in early 2000s 
have heard it. 

506
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,280
It was in common use till the 
recent. 

507
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,720
Is it a phrase? 
It's 2 words, I'll give you 

508
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,920
that. 
OK, OK. 

509
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,280
The two words, something to do 
with their lives, something to 

510
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,360
do with what they were doing. 
And you've been very vague about

511
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:36,320
what they're doing. 
And so, I mean, there's only so 

512
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:42,160
many things one can do, like in 
terms of broad categories or 

513
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,680
they ran a business or they were
like, you know. 

514
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,360
You would consider them, I 
guess, in some way 

515
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:51,120
entrepreneurial. 
Remember I also have not 

516
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:53,240
mentioned where they were from 
specifically. 

517
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,440
I just said they were from Asia 
and they moved to the USI didn't

518
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,920
mention specifically where in 
Asia because if I did, that 

519
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:01,480
would lead you to the answer 
very quickly. 

520
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,280
Is it Singapore? 
Oh no, Why? 

521
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:05,840
Why would you assume Singapore 
though? 

522
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,120
No, I was just guessing, but 
yeah, with China would be the 

523
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:10,680
obvious guess, but like, you 
know, but then why would that 

524
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,280
leave immediately? 
They were of Chinese descent. 

525
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,720
They were of Chinese descent, 
Chinese origin, but not from 

526
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,240
China. 
Interesting. 

527
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,760
OK. 
Much closer to Singapore than to

528
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,840
China. 
Or, well, I guess in between 

529
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:28,840
Singapore and China. 
In between so then Hong Kong. 

530
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,720
I don't think Hong Kong is in 
between Singapore and China. 

531
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,120
Yeah, that's true. 
That's true. 

532
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:34,000
It's still time. 
So. 

533
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,840
So if it is not that, then it's 
likely Malaysia or basically the

534
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,600
Straits. 
It's likely one of the. 

535
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,920
You are much closer with that, 
yes. 

536
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,360
It's not Malaysia. 
No, it's not Malaysia, but it's 

537
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,280
in the peninsula. 
Interesting. 

538
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,800
OK. 
So, OK, so it's Thailand or 

539
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,320
something? 
OK, perfect. 

540
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,360
They're from Thailand. 
OK. 

541
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,360
They're from Thailand. 
OK, Yeah, Sriracha is it? 

542
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,040
Is that the rooster sauce? 
Oh again, good case. 

543
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,720
But I said not food, not food at
all. 

544
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,200
No, no, no, not food later. 
Sorry. 

545
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,280
Yeah, but Thailand? 
These two brothers were from 

546
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:10,120
Thailand, OK, but not Thailand 
because obviously it wouldn't 

547
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,920
exist as Thailand back then. 
Right. 

548
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:17,320
Yeah, see, I am Siamese twins. 
Perfect, it was Siamese twins 

549
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,480
that I was looking for. 
Chang and Eng Bunker now 

550
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,160
obviously called conjoined 
twins, what you would call 

551
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,560
conjoined twins, and for the 
longest time was referred to as 

552
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,120
Siamese twins because it was 
from Siam. 

553
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,280
Siam, Siam. 
How's it pronounced Siam, Right.

554
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,600
Yeah, Yeah. 
So Siam, which is the old name 

555
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,080
for Thailand. 
These two men were from there. 

556
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,840
They moved from there to the 
United States in 1809. 

557
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,200
When I said that they were doing
a certain activity which is 

558
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,560
slightly entrepreneurial, I 
guess. 

559
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,520
Circus, yes. 
So they were touring. 

560
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,600
Touring. 
OK, now interestingly enough, 

561
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,800
they did not want to be part of 
somebody else's quote UN quote 

562
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,280
freak show, right? 
So they were doing it on their 

563
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,280
own accord. 
But yes, it was in the same 

564
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,720
realm as one of those in quotes 
freak shows. 

565
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,600
The Wonders of the the Bearded 
Lady and. 

566
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,040
Yeah. 
So interestingly enough, these 

567
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,760
Thai men, these Chinese Thai men
owned slaves. 

568
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,720
And I was surprised to know 
that. 

569
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,320
And there is this phrase, I'm 
forgetting what the exact phrase

570
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,520
was. 
I'm hoping it comes back to me. 

571
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,480
But the idea that they were 
given a white adjacent status 

572
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,680
that obviously you're not white.
Right, right, right. 

573
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,480
Yes, but. 
Because you're a slave owner, so

574
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,480
you are slightly higher in the 
social rankings because you've 

575
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,560
done well for the financially, 
you own slaves, etcetera. 

576
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,320
And you're obviously not black. 
I think just being black 

577
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,480
automatically put you at the 
bottom rung at that time. 

578
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,480
So very interesting that even in
the racism there is, there is 

579
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:47,120
this stratification always of 
who is considered worthy of even

580
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,800
being close to the topmost 
echelons. 

581
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,320
But anyway, that is a social 
commentary aside. 

582
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,400
Chang and Ng Bunker and Bunker 
is the name that they adopted 

583
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,000
when they moved to the US Of 
course, before that they had a 

584
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,720
Chinese name, which I do not 
think I'll be able to pronounce.

585
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,160
They lived in Thailand, they 
were born conjoined, and they 

586
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,720
lived their entire lives as 
conjoins. 

587
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,080
And yeah, eventually they moved 
to the US. 

588
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,640
They had children, which is, I 
mean, I don't want to think too 

589
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,960
much about it, but like, you 
know, it's crazy to think that 

590
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,880
like. 
So very interestingly, I think a

591
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,000
lot of conjoins talk about this 
idea that people are forever 

592
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,200
fascinated with their sex lives.
Yeah, I think that is something 

593
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,480
that people are always 
fascinated with, which again, to

594
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,320
somebody who's conjoined, when I
would imagine is very intrusive 

595
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,200
and just like a none of your 
business what I'm doing, where 

596
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,240
I'm doing. 
But I guess to the rest of us 

597
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,120
who have nowhere close to lived 
experience, who probably don't 

598
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,640
know people also who are 
conjoined. 

599
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,360
So I guess, I guess we leave it 
up to the people and how they do

600
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,960
it and the way they live their 
lives. 

601
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,240
Hey, you brought up the fact 
that they had 21 children. 

602
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,560
I would I I don't think it was 
relevant to the question. 

603
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,880
I was giving you information, I 
was telling you how their family

604
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,720
is living still in the US and 
they occasionally still meet. 

605
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,080
As of 2006, By the way, 
descendants of Chang and Ang's 

606
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:14,160
21 children number around 1500. 
Much of the family still lives 

607
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,160
in North Carolina, and the 
family has hosted annual get 

608
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,920
together since the 1980s on the 
last Saturday of June. 

609
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,480
So. 
Well, actually we are recording 

610
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,480
it on the last Friday today. 
The tomorrow would be the 

611
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,760
gathering for Chang and ENG's 
family. 

612
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,120
Yeah, in the US So yeah, some 
famous people in it as well. 

613
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,880
There was one of them was a 
Democratic nominee for governor 

614
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,680
of Florida in 2010, and another 
one was a 2013 Pulitzer Prize 

615
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,880
for music recipient. 
So yeah, some famous people 

616
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,760
there. 
Oh, very interesting. 

617
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaking of subjugation. 
Oh. 

618
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:51,440
These three colours, XYZ are the
colours of the flag of country 

619
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:57,200
A, let's say, and they've been 
chosen, the three colours from 

620
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,640
the flag of this country to 
represent kind of this ideology 

621
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,680
during the country's history of 
never being taken over by a 

622
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,040
colonial path. 
What's the country and kind of 

623
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,720
what colours are we talking? 
This I have a feeling is the Pan

624
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,280
African, Pan Africanism or? 
Yes, Pan Africanism is the 

625
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,160
ideology. 
Right, so then it has to be red,

626
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:24,120
black and green. 
So you're right in that it's Pan

627
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,120
Africanism, but so 
interestingly, there are two 

628
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,160
flags associated. 
The red, black and green flag is

629
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,640
associated with this guy called 
Marcus Garvey, who also, this is

630
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,480
a very fascinating 99% invisible
episode, which will be one of 

631
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,640
my, I guess, pop culture 
recommendations where we talk 

632
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,440
about like how that flag came 
about to be like, you know, how 

633
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,200
is ideology a very interesting 
person. 

634
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,040
This is not that it is also Pan 
Africanism but the three colours

635
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,640
are not that one of the colours 
is different but because these 

636
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,520
three colours come from the flag
of a country. 

637
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,360
He chose the three colours to 
represent like 3 ideas. 

638
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:04,120
Black to represent the colour of
the skin, red to represent the 

639
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,679
blood and toil green to 
represent the green lushness of 

640
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:13,120
the continent. 
Of these three colours, similar 

641
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:15,960
in the sense like there are some
that are in common, but they are

642
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,199
the flag of a country, Which 
country could it? 

643
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,360
I feel like the reason you said 
that it has never been 

644
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,639
subjugated under colonial rule 
is why I actually thought about 

645
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:26,520
it. 
Yeah, but now that I'm thinking 

646
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,600
if it's, I'll come back to the 
country because a vague memory 

647
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:32,840
of the countries but I'm not 
able to grasp on it right now. 

648
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:38,040
But the common colours in most 
African nation flags red, black 

649
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,520
and green over. 
My first guess is, that's why I 

650
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,159
said it. 
The other one, I'm thinking of 

651
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:43,440
South America, so there is a 
little bit of yellow and a 

652
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,639
little bit of blue there. 
So I'm going to guess, is it 

653
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,159
blue instead of? 
Yes. 

654
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,840
So it's not blue. 
OK, so yeah, I was going towards

655
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,400
South Africa. 
So is it OK now I'm just 

656
00:34:54,400 --> 00:35:00,840
guessing red, black and yellow? 
Is it yellow managers? 

657
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,040
So yellow is there, red and 
yellow it's red, yellow, green. 

658
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,800
OK, OK, not black. 
Yeah, it's not black. 

659
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,760
I would imagine black would be 
the one thing that would be in 

660
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,040
common, but just because of the 
racial. 

661
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,600
It's so super interesting. 
Ghana, which we talked about, 

662
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,440
right? 
So the flag of Ghana is red, 

663
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,280
yellow, green because of this 
other country's flag. 

664
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,760
And it also has a black car 
because of Marcus Garvey and the

665
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,320
other pan Africanism, this 
thing. 

666
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,120
So because he started this thing
called the Black Star Liner 

667
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,600
which is like this ferry service
where blacks could travel OK 

668
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,600
otherwise they would be with 
segregation. 

669
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,000
They would be given only the 
lowest classes or like very bad 

670
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:39,040
lodgings. 
And he was like they need to 

671
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,280
live dignity. 
And so we would start our own 

672
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,280
ferry and we would run our own 
ferry where they would be 

673
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,840
treated with respect. 
So the Black Star in Ghana as 

674
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,840
flag is because of Marcus Garvey
and that link and the other 3. 

675
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,920
Colours are because of this 
other SO. 

676
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,920
It's red, yellow, green and they
appear in actually I think more 

677
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,760
African country flags than red, 
green and black. 

678
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:00,960
OK, interesting. 
Yeah, you're right. 

679
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,160
Now that I think about it, the 
yellow is probably featured 

680
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,280
more, also brighter colour to 
have. 

681
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,760
Which is the only African 
country to have not been 

682
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,520
subjugated by a colonial path? 
Now see that's the only reason I

683
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,480
figured out that was Pan 
Africanism, because you said 

684
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,120
only country. 
But now I'm not able to. 

685
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,160
Congo is not 8. 
Ghana is not 8. 

686
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,640
I'm thinking of the bigger 
countries. 

687
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,640
South Africa is not 8. 
Kenya is not 8. 

688
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,080
You're very close with Kenya. 
It's a country that borders. 

689
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,200
Kenya. 
Oh OK, so Kenya is bordered by 

690
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,920
Somalia? 
Somalia was British Somaliland. 

691
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,160
British Somaliland think in a 
borders Eritrea as well. 

692
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,360
Eritrea was Italian colony. 
How was it OK that I did not 

693
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,280
know? 
Djibouti is a French colony. 

694
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,800
Oh, Ethiopia, Ethiopia. 
Ethiopia is right there. 

695
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,080
Yes, Ethiopia is the country 
colours, black colours kind of 

696
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,560
inspired a whole but. 
Of course, Ethiopia colours are 

697
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,240
yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. 
So that is why Pan African 

698
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:05,800
colours are red, yellow and 
green, OK? 

699
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,720
I don't know whether Marcus 
Garvey took his inspiration from

700
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:10,400
Ethiopian. 
It could be also because this 

701
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,880
was around that time. 
So the I think Ethiopia famously

702
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,880
defeated the Italian forces in 
late 1890s sometime that was 

703
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,920
when a lot of the independence 
movements were also taking 

704
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,440
steam. 
And Marcus Garvey designed the 

705
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,680
Pan African, his Black Unity 
flag in 1920s. 

706
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,880
That history is very interesting
also like you know, why he why 

707
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,320
he was for to do it or what not.
But yeah, by the way, like the 

708
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,040
countries of Benin, Burkina 
Faso, Cameroon, Central African 

709
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,080
Republic, Chad, Republic of the 
Congo, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea, 

710
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,720
Bissau, Mali, Senegal, S, Om and
Prince and Togo all have red, 

711
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:45,680
yellow, green in them and 
African symbolism. 

712
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,400
Rasafari flag also has the same 
colour and I think it has some 

713
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,360
connection. 
To the roots, yeah. 

714
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,960
They've been used by this. 
So they adopted it, I think as 

715
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,800
well, yeah. 
I had, I don't know if you 

716
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,840
remember it, in college, I used 
to roam around with this Bob 

717
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:07,440
Marley bag. 
So that's how it's emblazoned in

718
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,000
my head, the colours. 
Just to clarify, by the way, I 

719
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,800
was in Singapore. 
I was not doing any drugs. 

720
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,880
It just so happened to be a Bob 
Marley bag. 

721
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,280
Yes, yes. 
Lest somebody come after me. 

722
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,200
So don't do drugs. 
We did not condone the usage of 

723
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,800
narcotics. 
Do only the legal stuff when 

724
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,120
you're of legal age and then 
ruin your health with all of 

725
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,760
that because that's OK. 
The government has said it's OK 

726
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,280
to do that. 
Yeah, the only drug I approve of

727
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,480
is coffee. 
So. 

728
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,080
Oh yes, you know what, HK? 
This is something I'm surprised 

729
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,880
that you haven't asked me any 
coffee question. 

730
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,080
I was thinking and I couldn't 
find anything well enough. 

731
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,480
So I think this is going to be 
my standard theme of like, you 

732
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,440
know, everything is like 1 
coffee question. 

733
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,640
Yes, there's to be a Delhi road 
question. 

734
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,480
There has to be a coffee 
question, something to do the 

735
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,840
Ottomans or the Romans or 
something on there. 

736
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,880
This is this is the absolute 
Twitter brain between like 

737
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,080
another connect to Ottoman 
Empire in the Soran Mamdani 

738
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,880
question. 
So Zoran is a Shia Muslim 

739
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,560
because he's the Democratic 
primary candidate. 

740
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,240
He's going to face against Eric 
Adams, most likely who's going 

741
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:17,760
to be the as an independent or 
Republican and they're going to 

742
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,680
be the front arrest. 
Eric Adams was famously involved

743
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,480
in corruption from the Turkish 
government. 

744
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:23,960
Oh yes, he was. 
Yeah. 

745
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,200
But the hottest thing in 16th to
18th century was the Ottoman 

746
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,560
Safavid conflict. 
So someone on Twitter was like, 

747
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:36,200
you know, this is the new front 
of the Ottoman Safavid War in 

748
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,200
New York, 2025. 
Zoran Mandani versus Eric Adams.

749
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,600
Oh. 
My God Eric Adams corruption was

750
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,040
hilarious. 
That man was corrupt where I 

751
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,240
think he was getting money 
through like the routing it 

752
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:50,760
through Turkish Airlines or 
something. 

753
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,080
Which means he was flying within
the US by taking flights which 

754
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,920
went to Istanbul and then came 
back. 

755
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,440
He was flying in cities inside 
continental United States. 

756
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,800
With the layover in Istanbul 
because he took Turkish Airlines

757
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,040
and they were giving him bribes 
of like first class tickets or 

758
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,360
something like that. 
OK. 

759
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,960
I just should just clarify in 
case we are on grounds we sued 

760
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,360
allegedly, OK. 
I don't know if any of that has 

761
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,920
been proven. 
Allegedly, yes. 

762
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,280
But allegedly Adams was flying 
all the way to OK. 

763
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,080
This is an example if you are 
flying from New York City to 

764
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,600
whatever San Francisco. 
He was going from New York City 

765
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,200
to Istanbul and then coming back
to San Francisco. 

766
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:39,520
That's one way to beat jet lag. 
Oh Lord, his corruption 

767
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,000
allegations were absolutely 
comedy gold. 

768
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:50,480
But coming back to trivia, well,
this question segues rather 

769
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,200
nicely because you're talking 
about colors and colors and 

770
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,040
flags. 
Always bright, always nice, 

771
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,760
attractive. 
I want to talk about something 

772
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:01,200
else which is very colourful, 
usually associated with bright 

773
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,440
colours. 
This is in the Disney's Animal 

774
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,480
Kingdom, which is part of Disney
World in Florida, in the United 

775
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,480
States of America. 
There's a spot which is, like I 

776
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,040
said, supposed to be usually 
associated with bright colours. 

777
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:21,360
And if you use that space, if 
you use the facilities provided 

778
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,360
at that space, you are given 
some sort of acknowledgement at 

779
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,600
the end of it, which has, and 
I'm looking at various pictures 

780
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,920
that people have posted of this,
this piece of paper, which has 

781
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,280
things written on it like 
Disney's Animal Kingdom Dash 

782
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,200
Notes. 
I want you to tell me what Dash 

783
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:41,960
is, which is that space, which 
is that place? 

784
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:49,960
Dash Notes played with X, yes or
no, 8 snacks, yes or no? 

785
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,920
Took a nap, Yes or no, And then 
other notes, sometimes 

786
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:58,120
associated, OK, this is the 
acknowledgement, or let's say 

787
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,720
some sort of piece of paper that
you get if you use that place, 

788
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:05,400
views that space, views that 
service in Disney's Animal 

789
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,280
Kingdom. 
OK. 

790
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,040
Do you want to try to take a 
guess as to what that place is? 

791
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,920
These something like something 
with slot because like you know,

792
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:18,240
to can have or what not lazy. 
So it's like a lawn chair or 

793
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:21,640
something like that? 
OK, so now let me try to help 

794
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,360
you along with it. 
Like I said, if you use the 

795
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,760
service available that if you 
use that place. 

796
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,120
So not, not a not really an 
animal exhibit. 

797
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,080
OK. 
But the most common or most 

798
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,200
obvious answer for something 
like this would be not that it 

799
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,600
would fit the bill exactly, but 
a service provided a theme park 

800
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,520
would be like a food stall, 
right? 

801
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,080
Or like a washroom, something 
like that. 

802
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,400
So service like that. 
Yeah. 

803
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:44,200
Or an information counter. 
So a service point in Disney's 

804
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,600
Animal Kingdom in Disney World 
in Florida, where if you use 

805
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,360
that service, they give you this
piece of paper. 

806
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,440
And I also mentioned this is 
usually associated with a lot of

807
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,680
colours supposed to be 
colourful. 

808
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,480
Colourful. 
So rainbow is multi coloured. 

809
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,200
What is multi coloured? 
Yeah. 

810
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,200
What are the things they said? 
So it is supposed to be cute. 

811
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,880
It's not exactly supposed to be 
accurate, but here Disney's 

812
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,640
Animal Kingdom Dash notes Dash 
being the service of the place 

813
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,720
that it is. 
OK is played with other Dash yes

814
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:18,880
or no? 
Ate snacks yes or no? 

815
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,560
OK, took a nap. 
Yes or no? 

816
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,160
Is it some sort of kids or not 
like, you know, like is it like 

817
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,480
a ball pit or something like 
that? 

818
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,080
OK, very good, very good, very 
good. 

819
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,520
OK. 
So I'll give you, I'll give you 

820
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,960
points for Kids Zone in the 
sense that it is some sort of a 

821
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,560
day care, but it's not for kids,
OK? 

822
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,080
Interesting, so it's not for 
kids there? 

823
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:44,280
Is it for baby animals? 
No, I I don't know if you'd be 

824
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,680
anyways allowed to take baby 
animals inside. 

825
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,880
Animal World? 
Yeah, that's true. 

826
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,360
That's really Disney World. 
Yeah. 

827
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,640
Other pets. 
It could be for some other pet. 

828
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,480
So is it like a dog or a cat? 
Pets would be a good guess, but 

829
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,640
no, it's not pets. 
OK, it's not pet. 

830
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,040
Now I should clarify, when they 
say ate snacks or took a nap, it

831
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,320
is very much in jest. 
It is supposed to be cute. 

832
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,600
It's supposed to be funny. 
OK, right, right, right, right. 

833
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:13,400
This thing doesn't actually eat 
snacks or take snaps. 

834
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,680
Is it like a laptop deposit 
service or something like that? 

835
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,800
Is it like a phone deposit 
service something? 

836
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,400
OK, very cool, very cool, very 
cool. 

837
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,480
So yes, you are on the right 
track that it is not an it's an 

838
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,720
inanimate object. 
Yeah. 

839
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,240
But let me bring you back to the
fact that I said it's colourful 

840
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:29,280
usually. 
And I would also like you to 

841
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,640
think about why would there be a
specific place to deposit 

842
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,840
something inanimate. 
And I'll tell you the reason 

843
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,560
also actually very vaguely is 
for safety reasons for the 

844
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,240
animals inside what is something
that people would have very 

845
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:47,680
commonly in Disney World, but 
can't be taken inside Animal 

846
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,640
Kingdom. 
Phones is one thing, but. 

847
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,280
Yeah, I think people take phones
because you would want people 

848
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,280
take pictures and stuff anyway. 
So I don't think that's. 

849
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,080
True but same thing I've seen 
cameras but I guess that way 

850
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,400
they are also fine. 
So is it like hats or something 

851
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,280
like that? 
Scarves or something? 

852
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,440
You don't want animals to take 
hold of something. 

853
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,000
Some loose a pendant. 
Something loose is actually a 

854
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,840
very good idea, but think about 
something again. 

855
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,440
Hats and scarves, maybe not the 
most attractive to the target 

856
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,800
audience at Disney World or 
target audience, obviously. 

857
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:15,560
Kids. 
Yeah. 

858
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,520
What do you think kids like to 
buy in places like this that 

859
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,200
would be very dangerous 
potentially to the animals in 

860
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,000
Animal Kingdom? 
It's some kind of toy. 

861
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,280
Yes, very close. 
So I'll phrase it in a certain 

862
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,280
way. 
If it gets away from these 

863
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,800
people, from the kids, animals 
might at some point eat it and 

864
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,240
that is very dangerous for them.
Balloons. 

865
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,520
Balloons, It's a balloon daycare
in Disney's Animal Kingdom. 

866
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,280
Wow. 
So they have a space where 

867
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,160
because a lot of kids obviously 
buy balloons when they enter 

868
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:45,480
Disney World. 
So if they want to go into 

869
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,240
Animal Kingdom, you're not 
allowed to take balloons in. 

870
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,040
Because obviously if it's very 
easy to let go of balloon or 

871
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,200
balloon to escape. 
And then at some point when it 

872
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,960
loses air and it falls into the 
the space for the animal, they 

873
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,920
might eat it, consume it. 
And that's obviously not good 

874
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,120
for them. 
So they have a balloon deposit. 

875
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,000
You can't take it inside. 
So they have a balloon daycare. 

876
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,320
And then when you come out of 
it, they give you this note or 

877
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,400
this report, which says Disney's
Animal Kingdom balloon daycare 

878
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,320
notes played with the other 
balloons. 

879
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,600
Yes, no hate snack yes, no took 
a nap, Yes, no. 

880
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:14,960
And I'm seeing one of the 
pictures in front of me. 

881
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,440
There's a there's a space for 
other notes as well where it 

882
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,800
says shared very well. 
We give goldfish for snack time.

883
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,360
This cute little thing that they
do at Disney World. 

884
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,880
All right, HK, that brings us to
the last question of the episode

885
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,400
and that one is yours. 
So give me your question. 

886
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,440
It's the last and it's the very,
it's a very indulgent question, 

887
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,480
like vineet kind of channelling 
my vineet here a little bit. 

888
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,520
Let's go. 
The the lion and the blank tree 

889
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,160
was the design used by the 
British East India Company for 

890
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,120
its single and double Moher 
coin. 

891
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,200
I think moher is like the 
highest value or what not the 

892
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,360
gold coin basically. 
As to why these two unlikely 

893
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,280
motives were combined, there are
several possible explanations. 1

894
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,200
explanation is that John 
Flaxman, who's I think believed 

895
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,920
to be the designer, drew 
inspiration from Punic Voynich 

896
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,640
and the designs that he had seen
during his many years travelling

897
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,560
and working in Italy. 
In various civilizations of the 

898
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:14,960
Mediterranean and the Middle 
East. 

899
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,640
This tree and its leaves were 
associated with victory, tease, 

900
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:22,040
endurance, immortality, and 
fertility. 

901
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,200
It was given away to victors in 
the ancient Olympics and was the

902
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,160
sacred sign of Apollo. 
So do you have any idea what 

903
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:30,440
that what tree I'm talking 
about? 

904
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,120
Olive tree would be because it's
an Apollo Olympics. 

905
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,440
No, that's the obvious sensor, 
but. 

906
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,080
Yeah, it seems like, oh, that's 
how you're channeling your 

907
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,360
beneath. 
You're trapping with obvious 

908
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:43,240
answers. 
OK, OK. 

909
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,960
Yeah, and more so now this is 
the kicker. 

910
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,320
So there's a slight variation of
this motive is something that we

911
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,400
Indians encounter on a daily 
basis, though perhaps some would

912
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,160
say we are encountering it less 
frequently these days. 

913
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,240
So identify the tree and where 
would we see it now and what has

914
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:03,840
changed the set of variation, 
right. 

915
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,360
So I think if you find the tree 
then you will probably be able 

916
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,760
to get to the second-half. 
OK. 

917
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,000
So they were using it on the 
Mohr, you said lion or 

918
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,920
something, right? 
Lion and the tree or some 

919
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,920
whatever tree, dash tree. 
It seems a little weird, like 

920
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,160
it's not something that you 
would want to combine. 

921
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,680
Like you never think why. 
Like I literally saw it today. 

922
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,720
I went like, ha, why I'll buy 
these two things. 

923
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:28,960
Like, you know, what's the funda
for? 

924
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,360
Like why these two things are 
combined. 

925
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,880
Turns out at least the tree has 
a lot of symbolism and I've kind

926
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,880
of taken away more symbolism. 
So the reason it's a sacred sign

927
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,920
of Apollo is because Apollo is 
believed to be born under this 

928
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,200
tree. 
And so similarly, Jesus Christ 

929
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,160
is also believed to have been 
born under this tree. 

930
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:50,160
And so this tree features in 
symbolism in Judaism, in Islam 

931
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,200
also because the calls for 
prayer were given on top of this

932
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,480
from on top of the tree or the 
first calls for prayers were 

933
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,080
given on from on top of this 
tree. 

934
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,080
This tree is very popular in in 
the mid military and Middle 

935
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,440
East. 
Then I want to take a guess 

936
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,600
because you said you're not 
using it as much anymore. 

937
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,160
I want to take a guess because 
also you said Mohs and currency 

938
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,520
and that's what I'm thinking. 
People are not using currency as

939
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,400
much anymore. 
This has to do with some sort of

940
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,160
stamp or logo or something. 
Not logo, but whatever the 

941
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,280
signage that is on currency and 
Indian currency specifically, 

942
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,640
which makes me because the first
guess obviously would be the 

943
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,480
Ashok pillar, the the lions, but
that's there. 

944
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,640
I don't recall any trees in 
that. 

945
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,440
No. 
The other is the RBI logo. 

946
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:42,280
Yeah. 
So what is the RBI logo? 

947
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,960
No, I think there's a tiger in 
it and there is a tree. 

948
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,160
And The thing is, I'm pretty 
sure there we have talked about 

949
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,920
the RBI logo in another episode 
like we need and I have done 

950
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:56,440
this in another episode. 
Yes, but did you talk about the 

951
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,080
tree is the question. 
Yeah. 

952
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,160
Now that I'm not able to 
remember the tree now, because 

953
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,400
I'm pretty sure we have 
discussed this, there's a tiger 

954
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:03,960
in it. 
And so that's the tree. 

955
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,360
That's the tree that is in the 
RBI logo. 

956
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,240
Yeah, isn't the RBI logo. 
OK, OK, OK. 

957
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:10,120
And it has so much significance.
I did not know that. 

958
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,720
Yes, yes the tree has so much 
significance. 

959
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:19,600
For example Hannibal has coins 
that have the lion and this tree

960
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,040
also on it. 
From that time onwards, the 

961
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,960
Hannibal is kind of pre. 
Christ. 

962
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:30,240
The polos tree is this tree. 
Just because I'm thinking Eve, 

963
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:31,920
because you said Christianity 
and all that Eve. 

964
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,600
So I'm thinking apple, but I 
don't think apple tree is that 

965
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,240
iconic. 
No, I said Islam also and I said

966
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:40,920
the call to prayer was given on 
from on top of this trees, 

967
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,320
Mediterranean and Middle East is
actually a big So what tree? 

968
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,320
What do you think? 
Okay, Mediterranean, Middle 

969
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,120
East, then I would say palm 
tree. 

970
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:50,600
I think it is a palm tree. 
Yes, the tiger and the palm 

971
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:51,960
tree. 
It is the palm tree, yeah. 

972
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:56,240
So why is there a tiger and a 
palm tree in the RBI logo, 

973
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,360
right? 
Like so why is that combination?

974
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,840
That is true. 
Is there any part of the world 

975
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,600
where there would be a tiger and
a palm tree? 

976
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,440
Like those seem very different. 
I mean Sundarbans you could make

977
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,040
a very like like same thing for 
lions. 

978
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,400
You could say in Gujarat from 
corner of like Gujarat coast you

979
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,600
could see a lion and. 
Maybe there will be some palm 

980
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,640
tree? 
But tigers are jungle animals, 

981
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,040
right? 
Like in Sundarbans, perhaps you 

982
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,640
could say, I don't know, but but
mangroves, again, not 

983
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,240
technically palm trees, but you 
see tiger and palm tree. 

984
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:29,040
Why is there a palm tree? 
So it turns out because the palm

985
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,680
is very significant, I think 
there's literally a passage in 

986
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,800
the the Bible. 
It is about how there is a lot 

987
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,480
of symbolism associated with 
being born under a palm tree. 

988
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,720
OK, OK, very cool. 
So now I have to go back and 

989
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,560
recall which episode and what 
was the trivia that Vineet had 

990
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,360
asked me because that's where I 
remember the RBI logo coming up.

991
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,440
OK amazing. 
That is a wonderful note. 

992
00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:00,040
Haha. 
Pun to end this podcast on, but 

993
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,640
obviously before we wrap it up, 
we have to discuss the audience 

994
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,680
questions. 
So HK, I come back to you. 

995
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,120
What do you think is the answer 
to the audience question? 

996
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,960
The audience question was when 
and where was the last telegram 

997
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,680
ever sent? 
The obvious like the logical way

998
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,120
to think about is the last user 
probably be in the US to honour 

999
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,800
Mars. 
There's probably like somewhere 

1000
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,920
like you know where near where 
he lived or near where he was 

1001
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,240
born. 
Like they would maybe even 

1002
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:29,320
revive it to do it once. 
So, OK, let's clarify that. 

1003
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,160
I'm sure there are like special 
occasion uses and stuff where 

1004
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,160
you could, I guess, send a 
special telegram. 

1005
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,680
Yeah, but I'm talking about 
regular postal usage of a 

1006
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,560
telegram. 
When was the last official 

1007
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,640
telegram ever used? 
So US would have fit from a 

1008
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,960
cultural historical context, but
then US had technological 

1009
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,440
advancement much earlier than a 
lot of other countries in the 

1010
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:49,000
world. 
That's true. 

1011
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,880
Which were perhaps still relying
on these. 

1012
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,440
It's likely in India. 
Very good. 

1013
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,600
Yes it is. 
In II is obviously something I 

1014
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,560
also did not expect. 
But do you want to guess when 

1015
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,240
was it? 
When was the last telegram I was

1016
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:01,960
sent? 
I mean, I would say it could 

1017
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,560
even be as recent as the 
nineties, 80s or 90s. 

1018
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,440
I would not be surprised. 
More recent than that. 

1019
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,760
More recent than that. 
More recent than OK, interesting

1020
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,200
there was there any special 
occasion that they. 

1021
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:16,360
No, there was no special 
occasion as far as I know. 

1022
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:17,840
I don't think there was any 
special occasion. 

1023
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,920
OK, 2010. 
Close enough, 2013. 

1024
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,280
OK. 
The last telegram ever in the 

1025
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,560
world was sent in India was sent
from the city of Nagpur on July 

1026
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:35,280
14th, 2013 at 11:55 PM by 1 
Kavita Waghmare to her mother. 

1027
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,720
In it she wrote a poem wherein 
she prays and saluted her 

1028
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:42,120
mother's love, saluted the 
telegram staff for 163 years 

1029
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:47,200
long service and lastly saluted 
India and this was sent in 2013.

1030
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,560
I was very surprised as the 
recently 2013 somebody used a 

1031
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:54,440
telegram to communicate way more
recent than I would have 

1032
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,720
guessed. 
OK, that brings us to the end of

1033
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:58,840
the questions. 
But the little spiel. 

1034
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:03,320
I would love for you to go ahead
and subscribe to comment to 

1035
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,000
reach out to us on IU 
quizzing.me@gmail.com if you 

1036
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,200
want to share some thoughts, any
feedback, any suggestions or 

1037
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,440
even trivia that you would like 
to hear in future episodes. 

1038
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:13,720
I have to acknowledge, by the 
way, that recently we have 

1039
00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:16,600
gotten a lot of e-mail from 
friends of the show. 

1040
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,560
People have reached out to us 
once. 

1041
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,280
We need this back. 
Once you're back to regular 

1042
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,600
programming, we will go back to 
those listener questions because

1043
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,640
those are always a lot of fun. 
And there's some lovely emails 

1044
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,720
that people have sent as well. 
Would love to share that with 

1045
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:32,480
the rest of the listeners. 
So do be part of that gang and 

1046
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,400
send us some questions because 
it's always fun for both Anita 

1047
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,920
and me. 
And go follow us on all our 

1048
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,520
podcast apps, subscribe and rate
US. 

1049
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,840
It helps us to spread it. 
And actually the best way to 

1050
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,360
spread it is to recommend it to 
a friend, whoever you think 

1051
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,080
would enjoy trivia. 
Before I forget, because HK did 

1052
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:54,200
remind me we do have to do a pop
culture recommendation on SO HK,

1053
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,760
what is your pop culture 
recommendation? 

1054
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,080
I'm going to rehash my 
recommendations at least from 

1055
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,920
the last time, because I can't 
use my questions from the last 

1056
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,120
unsuccessful recording thanks to
Apple Airports. 

1057
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,800
That's fine. 
So I recommended these two 

1058
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,280
books, both of which were on the
shortlist for the International 

1059
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,520
Booker list, one which ended up 
winning the Booker prize, which 

1060
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,240
is Heart Lamp by Banna Mushtaq, 
which is a collection of stories

1061
00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:23,040
about Muslim women experience in
Karnataka. 

1062
00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:25,840
Wonderful book. 
And the other one, which is 

1063
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:29,760
think of was written in Danish 
called on the calculation of 

1064
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:35,480
volume, which is a wonderfully 
written time loop story familiar

1065
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,720
with Groundhog Day or Palm 
Springs in a book and exploring 

1066
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:43,360
some very interesting ideas and 
themes around like what it means

1067
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,480
to have absolute certainty in 
your life. 

1068
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,240
Because we something that we 
always fear is uncertainty, but 

1069
00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:53,560
kind of flips it around and says
how scary is certainty and how 

1070
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,520
comforting is uncertainty. 
Right. 

1071
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,600
As I said earlier, 99% 
Invisible, so this is a 

1072
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,120
wonderful episode. 
They had recently on Marcus 

1073
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,640
Garvey and the Pan African Black
Unity Flag. 

1074
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,880
I think that we had an older 
episode of. 

1075
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,400
But yeah, always worth listening
to that podcast. 

1076
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,880
Yeah, I remember you mentioned 
when you talk about time loop 

1077
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,760
movies, you also mentioned some 
Tamil film. 

1078
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,800
Yes, called Maanade. 
So that's a Tamil time loop 

1079
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,040
story, right? 
Political thriller time loop. 

1080
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,840
Very cool genre we have in the 
past talked about. 

1081
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,240
I have recommended time loop 
films because this is one of my 

1082
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:27,120
favorite genres of film. 
I really enjoyed it. 

1083
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,200
Phul Chukma for a Hindi movie 
that came out is the same genre.

1084
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:31,480
I don't think it was received 
very well. 

1085
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,000
I haven't watched it yet. 
But yeah, you said that the 

1086
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,160
Tamil 1 is very good, so I will 
definitely catch that. 

1087
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,640
And just like you HK, I'm also 
going to repeat my 

1088
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,120
recommendation from the last 
unreleased episode, and that is 

1089
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:47,320
the show Hacks. 
Hacks is a comedy show and it's 

1090
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:52,920
about a stand up comic who is 
kind of winning in importance 

1091
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,360
and popularity. 
He's an older stand up comic and

1092
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,400
she's working with a younger 
comedy writer to make her 

1093
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,400
material more interesting and 
more relevant again. 

1094
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:06,040
And it's this dynamic between 
these two ladies that makes the 

1095
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,560
show very interesting, fun. 
It's comedy drama, it's dark 

1096
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,320
comedy. 
It's some very interesting 

1097
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,160
moments as well. 
So Hacks is my recommendation. 

1098
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,320
And shout out to the woman who 
plays the young writer. 

1099
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,680
Character's name is Ava Daniels 
and the name of the actor is 

1100
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,400
Hannah Einbinder. 
Lovely performance by Hannah 

1101
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,880
Einbinder. 
Jean Smart, by the way, plays 

1102
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:30,640
the older stand up comic, a very
talented actor herself, Jean 

1103
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,240
Smart. 
So those are the pop culture 

1104
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:33,680
recommendations for this 
episode. 

1105
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,120
And that brings us the actual 
end of the episode. 

1106
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:38,680
So thank you so much for joining
us. 

1107
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,880
Thank you HK for stepping in 
again. 

1108
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,120
Can't wait to have you back and 
next time we will reuse your 

1109
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:45,880
questions and maybe have Vineet 
answer them. 

1110
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,400
Thanks once again. 
Put him through that. 

1111
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:50,960
See you guys next week.