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Welcome to Are You Quizzing Me. 
I am Vineet Nair with my Co host

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Aditya Kashyap. 
This is a quizzing trivia 

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podcast show. 
Join us as we dive deep into 

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history, science, pop culture 
and so much more. 

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Let's get quizzing and we're 
back for episode #82 of Are You 

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Quizzing Me? 
Your favorite quizzing and 

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trivia podcast show. 
Aditya and I are back for 

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another round of quizzing and 
let's start off this episode 

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without any further ado with the
audience question for those who 

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came in late and for those who 
are new. 

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The audience question is a 
question I ask at the beginning 

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of every episode, the answer to 
which I gave at the end of the 

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episode. 
So try and guess the answer and 

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stay tuned till the end to see 
if you're right. 

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So the audience question for 
today is which word meaning to 

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plan together secretly is 
derived from the Latin for to 

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breathe with or breathe together
having the same root as the word

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respiration? 
Let me repeat the question, 

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which word meaning to plan 
together secretly is derived 

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from the Latin for breathe with 
or breathe together having the 

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same root as the word 
respiration? 

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I will answer this question at 
the end of today's episode. 

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Now it's time for our regular 
round of quizzing. 

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And Aditya Kashyap, why don't 
you start us off for this 82nd 

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episode of Are You Quizzing Me? 
Fun it it feels like it's been a

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while since we did a good old 
regular are you quizzing me 

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episode Vineet you and me 
kicking it old school styles 

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yes, 82nd episode my every time 
I say a number, I'm just like, 

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how have you managed to reach 
this? 

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So that is a question for us to 
ponder upon, which perhaps 

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doesn't have an answer, but 
there are some questions which 

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do have an answer. 
The first of those questions I'm

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going to be asking for this 
episode has to do with one of my

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absolute favorite things. 
And no, it's not a listicle this

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time. 
It is a pun. 

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Oh, God, I have a pun for you, 
my good son. 

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No, you have to guess the pun. 
In this case. 

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I'm going to name three people. 
I'm going to tell you what these

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three people are famous for. 
You might have heard of some of 

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them. 
I'm sure you have heard of some 

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of them. 
And you have to tell me, what 

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was this group of three people 
called? 

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What was the nickname that was 
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So the first that I'm going to 
mention is Dian Fossey. 

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Dian Fossey, for anybody who 
doesn't know, was an American 

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primatologist and 
conservationist who is known for

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undertaking an extensive study 
of mountain gorillas from 1966 

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until her unfortunate murder in 
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Absolutely devastating. 
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doing some great work for the 
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a significant contribution to 
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remembered for that. 
The first person is Diane 

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Fossey. 
The next person I want to talk 

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about is Beirut Galdicas. 
Beirut Galdicas, who is a 

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Lithuanian Canadian 
anthropologist, primatologist, 

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conservationist, ethologist and 
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Also a professor at Simon Fraser
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She is recognized as a leading 
authority on orangutans. 

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Now, Vineet, I'm going to let 
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I think you perhaps have an idea
of who the third person in this 

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list might be. 
The first one was lady, who is 

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known for studying gorillas. 
The second one, scientists known

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for studying orangutans. 
The third one would be the most 

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famous of them all. 
Chimpanzees. 

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And who would that be? 
OK, Am I supposed to know 

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somebody? 
Big scientist. 

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And among the chimpanzee 
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I don't know. 
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I'm blanking. 
Who are we talking about? 

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All right. 
But well, hey, points for 

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getting chimpanzee of the fly. 
This would be Jane Goodall. 

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Yes. 
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who has studied chimpanzees. 
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Yes. 
So Jane Goodall, who was 

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formerly the Baroness Jane 
Goodall is an English zoologist,

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primatologist, anthropologist, 
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expert on chimpanzees. 
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social and family interactions 
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It is breathtaking and it is 
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work this one single person has 
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study. 
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Vineeth, tell me what these 
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collectively. 
The first one was Dan Fossey, 

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who has studied mountain 
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Second one was Berut Galdikas, 
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the last one Jane Goodall, who 
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What is this group of three 
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This is going to be some climber
upon which I'm never going to be

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able to guess. 
OK, this is what I hate. 

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When you give me these fun 
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the straight thinker that I am. 
OK Monkey, monkey men, monkey 

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Kong, monkey women. 3 monkeys. 
Is it like a play on 12 monkeys?

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Like 3 monkeys? 
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would be called monkeys. 
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Not at all. 
I'll give you the other name 

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that they're known by, which is 
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the answer, but it's just an 
interesting side trivia. 

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So all three of them were kind 
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Kenyan British paleontropologist
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very interested in this 
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went by the name of Louis 
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So these women were also called 
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What are they called apart from 
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We need to think of what were 
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Who were they studying? 
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And how many of them were there?
3 Trimates trimates. 

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Yeah, there we go. 
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The trimates. 
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Oh, oh God, oh God. 
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given to these three women, Jane
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Daldikas, 3 women who have 
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and have contributed 
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science. 
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love for nature and for sciences
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puns, I had to ask you this, 
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You know, I don't even think 
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trivia question. 
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favorite, who is a regular 
listener, shout out to my 

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father. 
My dad's favorite question, I 

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think so far, the one that he 
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after listening to the episode 
and telling me how much he loved

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it, was the pun on air Horse 
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I knew it just had to be it. 
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transport these, these race 
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Race horses, Yeah, it's called 
Air Horse One. 

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To be fair, that is a much 
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I'm going to put it out there. 
That's a come. 

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On Trimates is a great fun as 
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Vineet, I challenge you on that.
Trimates is a phenomenal pun. 

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No air horse one. 
Now that that brings me a 

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chuckle every time. 
You know what I say to that 

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vineet? 
I say nay. 

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Oh God. 
OK, that was a fantastic pun, 

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but I'm going to go the most 
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Have you heard of the 
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Standardization, also known as 
ISO? 

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I have heard of that. 
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So it's an independent non 
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standard development 
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representatives from the 
national standards organizations

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of member countries. 
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1947 and as of July 2024 has 
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international standards covering
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develops and publishes 
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easiness on end user or commerce
market like availability in 

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technical and non-technical 
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manufactured products and 
technology to food safety, 

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transport, IT, agriculture and 
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Just to give you a few examples.
ISO 9001 which is the one that 

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most people must have heard is a
quality management system for 

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organizations. 
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certified to or accredited as to
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ISO 9001, you can be assured 
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management systems in place, 
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standards of ISO 15189, which is
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medical laboratories. 
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itself, ISO 3301 was originally 
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That's 1980, and a revision was 
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This standard is not meant to 
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rather to document a procedure 
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comparisons can be made. 
The protocol has been criticized

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Ireland was the only country to 
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grounds. 
The work was the winner of the 

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parodic IG Nobel Prize for 
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So what does ISO 3301 set the 
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I can see that stupid grin on 
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I've wasted a lot of time coming
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have it bomb and you just crack 
it on the first try. 

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But go ahead, make your own day.
I will make my own day. 

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It is the standard for making 
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ISO 3301 is the standard for 
making tea. 

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This is a piece of trivia I 
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And here's a little bit of a 
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OK, I'm going to ask these 
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keep a couple of them backed up.
And I'm like, OK, all of these 

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3-4 are great. 
And this extra one, just in 

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case, you know, one of them I 
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And ISO 3301 has been on my list
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believe. 
I always have it open and I've 

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just like, OK, you know what, 
it's a great question, but I'll 

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ask it at some point in the 
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So last 20 episodes, I've not 
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Then you just went for it this 
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So I can't really take too much 
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I just encountered this piece of
trivia a while back, and I want 

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to ask you this. 
So it's the standard for making 

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tea. 
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So for the benefit of our 
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the new one is ISO 13103, sets a
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Now the standard is not meant to
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brewing tea intended for general
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made to document a tea brewing 
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sensory comparisons can be made.
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be a taste test to establish 
which blend of teas to choose 

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for a particular brand or label 
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consistent tasting brewed drink 
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It may not be the best way of 
making tea, but they defines a 

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specific order and method in 
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a consistent comparison each and
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So there's an actual standard 
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There's an somebody actually sat
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many 10s of pages, just a 
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follow on how to brew tea, which
I found quite nerdy and 

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interesting at the same time. 
So I thought I'd stump you with 

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it. 
But then you are unstumpable. 

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You have no stump. 
Honoured that you think that I 

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can't be stumped because that 
will be proven wrong pretty 

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shortly I'm sure in this 
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But Speaking of people who do 
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without sometimes coming to the 
fore, that would be a lovely 

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listeners. 
And one of them has sent me a 

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question. 
So thank you so much to this 

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listener, Arjun Sree Kumar. 
Arjun Sree Kumar sent me a 

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couple of questions. 
I'm going to ask one of them 

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today, Vineet. 
And I'm very excited, not 

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because the question is great, 
because the question is a fun 

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question, but more importantly, 
Arjun Sree Kumar said, I'm going

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to quote him here his his e-mail
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Shout out to any of our 
listeners who want to send us an

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e-mail with a question. 
You can say it, right? 

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Are you quizzing me@gmail.com? 
So Arjun Sreekumar's e-mail to 

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us said, hi, Aditya, great work 
on the podcast. 

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For me. 
This is hands down the best 

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trivia or quizzing podcast I 
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That is very sweet. 
Thank you, Arjun. 

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The next line goes. 
I also appreciate the fun aspect

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of the podcast, including your 
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noticed you're not posing 
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us in the last few, perhaps 
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point this podcast used to end 
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is not a trivia question, which 
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didn't even have an answer for 
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they were getting confused. 
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But hey, at least I know there 
was one fan. 

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So Arjun, from the bottom of my 
heart, thank you so much. 

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You have made my day, my week, 
my month, probably my year, just

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with that compliment. 
But coming to the real meat of 

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the matter, Arjun's question. 
And I'm going to read it 

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verbatim. 
OK. 

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X is a term used for a mercenary
in the Ottoman army. 

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Recruited by sultans to boost 
the regular army, they did not 

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receive payment or wear a 
uniform. 

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They lived off of the loot 
seized from civilians, forming a

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formidable, undisciplined 
cavalry with a reputation for 

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brutal violence. 
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the Crimean War and the Balkan 
Wars of the 19th century. 

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The term in Ottoman Turkish 
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turned or it could also mean 
damaged head or crazy head. 

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What is this term X? 
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mind when you say that is 
Janissaries. 

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They were like the shock troops 
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Janissaries. 
Am I anywhere close? 

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No, it's not the Janissaries. 
OK, no, I'll need some kind of 

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clue then. 
At this point I have to tell you

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why I really like this question 
and I had to pick this question 

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to ask is because the hint is a 
really fun hint provided by 

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Arjun himself. 
The hint reads it's a commonly 

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used swear word or insult by 
Captain Haddock in the Tintin 

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comics. 
Blistering billion. 

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Blistering blue barnacles? 
No. 

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That is the allitration that you
want to focus on. 

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Yes, yes, yes. 
Give me. 

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Give me two seconds. 
Give me two seconds. 

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What is it called? 
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bazooka for some reason 
something similar right it I I 

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can't remember the exact one it.
Agonizingly close. 

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It is very close to the word 
bazooka. 

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I can't remember it. 
I can't remember it. 

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I I remember it something very 
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remember the actual thing. 
OK, the word basically goes 

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bashi bazook. 
Bashi bazook. 

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OK, bashi bazooki. 
Bazook. 

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So for any of our Tintin fans, 
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Haddock in his rage fits would 
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or close to expletives as you 
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And a lot of them were crazy 
sounding words that were just 

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bunched together. 
Blistering barnacles, billions 

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of blue blistering barnacles 
comes to mind. 

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Thousands of thundering 
typhoons. 

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And Bashi Bazook was another 
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Wow, what a lovely piece of 
trivia. 

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Right? 
Like what was he actually 

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talking about? 
Bashi Bazook who were 

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mercenaries in the Ottoman army 
who used to be renowned for the 

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brutality and violence and also 
were paid by the loot that they 

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would gather from civilians. 
That is the origin of the term 

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Bashi Bazook. 
I also have to, on behalf of 

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Arjun, give a unofficial PCR. 
I love PCR. 

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I never thought of that pop 
culture recommendation. 

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OK. 
Which is Blistering Barnacles, 

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which is an A-Z Dictionary of 
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Captain Haddock. 
It's a coffee table book by 

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Albert Gold and I haven't read 
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think it is probably going to be
brilliant. 

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So it's something I think people
should know that Arjun wants to 

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recommend. 
Blistering Barnacles, an A-Z 

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Dictionary of the RAD Samples 
and rages of Captain Haddock. 

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A coffee table book. 
Unofficial PCR. 

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Nice, nice, very nice. 
OK, I see your Bashi Bazook and 

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I'm going to raise you to 
another level of pop culture. 

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Basically, you give me a clue on
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step further where you have one 
comic, which is Tintin. 

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I'm going to hundreds of comics.
So a comic book convention or 

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Comic Con is a fan convention 
emphasizing comic books and 

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comic book culture, in which 
comic book fans gather to meet 

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creators, experts and each 
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Though the San Diego Comic Con 
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the oldest. 
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Comic Con comic book convention 
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City. 
Known as the New York Comic Con,

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it was held on July 24th, 1964 
at the Workman Circle Building, 

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a one day convention organized 
by 16 year old Bernie Bupness 

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and fellow enthusiast Ron 
Fratkin. 

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Official guests included Steve 
Ditko who you may know as the Co

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creator of Spider Man and 
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well as Tom Gill who was the 
artist of The Lone Ranger comic.

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There were reports of over 100 
attendees. 

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My question to you Aditya, is 
who was the first person to sign

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up for and buy a ticket to the 
first ever Comic Con? 

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Let me repeat that last part. 
Who was the first ever person to

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sign up and buy a ticket for the
first ever Comic Con? 

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Would it be a very, very strange
answer to just say, was it Spike

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Lee? 
No, Why Spike Lee? 

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I'm just curious. 
Oh, I'm sorry, what am I saying,

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Spike Lee? 
I'm like what? 

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What is the? 
What is the director of Inside 

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Man I have to do with this? 
Can you cut that part out? 

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Because I wanted to say Stanley 
and I want to sound like such 

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an. 
Idiot. 

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No. 
No, we are. 

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We are. 
We are. 

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We are not this. 
Is what I mean. 

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I was sounding smart so far. 
We were 20 minutes in and I was 

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sounding really smart. 
And then I have to shoot myself 

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in the foot and say Spike Lee 
instead of Stanley like a 

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absolute buffoon. 
Billions of blistering buffoons.

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OK, yeah, I meant Stanley. 
Would it be ridiculous to say 

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Stanley? 
And not ridiculous. 

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But it's not Stanley. 
OK, but am I in the right space?

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Is it like somebody famous in 
that comic? 

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Book this person is famous in. 
Yeah. 

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I mean, like, he's not just 
exclusively comic book, but pop 

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culture. 
This person is very famous in 

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pop culture. 
Some of his works have been 

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wrapped into comics. 
I would put it that way. 

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Could you tell me, sorry again, 
which year was this first ever 

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Comic Con? 
This was 1964. 1964 Some of his 

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work has been adapted into a 
comic book. 

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A pop culture legend from the 
sounds of it. 

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Just to say that, you know, you 
are not completely wrong in that

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Stanley did have a connection to
the first ever Comic Con. 

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This is a piece of slide, But 
yeah, his secretary, who was 

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quite famous in her own right, 
was called Flo Steinberg. 

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She was known as the fabulous 
Flo Steinberg. 

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She was Stanley's secretary. 
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guests at the first ever Comic 
Con held in New York in 1964. 

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But the person who was the first
ever person to sign up for the 

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first ever Comic Con was not 
Stanley. 

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Do you want a clue? 
Yeah, that would be great. 

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OK, so Star Wars Chewbacca. 
The appearance of Chewbacca was 

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based off an illustration from 
one of the books written by this

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person. 
Oh interesting. 

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No, I have absolutely no clue 
who Chewbacca is based off. 

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I was going to say, is it the 
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which I know is some actor, but.
Peter Weller, I think his name 

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was. 
I will also give an additional 

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Clue, who was almost a fixture 
at later comic cons in the 2000 

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and 10s, but at that time, 
instead of being an attendee, he

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was up on stage. 
I'll just give you a little more

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detail on Chewbacca's 
appearance. 

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Chewbacca's final appearance in 
the movie Star Wars was based on

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a 1976 piece of concept art by 
Ralph Mcquarrie, which in turn 

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was based on illustration by 
John Schoner for this person's 

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novel, which was called and 
Seven Times Never Kill a Man. 

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And seven times never kill a 
man. 

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Yeah. 
Is that the book that Satkun 

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Math is based on? 
I don't think so, because it's a

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science fiction thing. 
I was going to say that that is 

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based of a Ruskin Bond novel or 
book or. 

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Whatever story. 
Yeah, Something, something, 

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yeah. 
Coming back to this, this person

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that we are talking about 
started off his career as a hard

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science fiction writer, but 
today is known more for fantasy,

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high fantasy. 
The only person who fits that 

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bill is George RR Martin. 
I know he started off with 

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science fiction and has moved to
fantasy. 

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Is he the one? 
Yes, George RR Martin was the 

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first ever person to buy a 
ticket for the first ever Comic 

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Con. 
He confirmed this had an 

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interview in his words. 
It was held in New York City in 

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1964. 
It cost a 1 1/2 dollars to sign 

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up for it, which is a lot of 
money, like a dozen comic books.

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And I had to spend more money 
taking the bus from Bayonne, NJ,

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hoping I could find this place 
in the depths of Greenwich 

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Village. 
Nice. 

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So George RR Martin was the 
first person. 

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I have to ask though, because I 
have heard this piece of trivia 

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and you are a bigger Star Wars 
nerd than I am, so you probably 

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will be able to correct me if 
I'm wrong. 

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I thought Chewbacca was based 
off of Lucas Dog, no? 

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No, they wanted a kind of shaggy
doggy Wolfie appearance, but 

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they wanted it to be in kind of 
physically imposing humanoid 

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structure. 
So the final appearance was 

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based off this particular 
illustration, the whole 

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bandelier and being 7 feet tall 
and all those things. 

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OK so This is why probably I was
confused. 

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I just pulled up this piece of 
trivia. 

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Chewbacca was inspired by Lucas 
Dog and Alaskan Malamute named 

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Indiana. 
She would sit in the passenger 

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seat of his car while he was 
driving and he referred to her 

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as his copilot. 
Chewbacca's name was derived 

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from the Russian word Sobacca, 
or however it is pronounced in 

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Russian, which means dog. 
So this is this is a little bit 

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of Chewbacca trivia for any of 
our Star Wars fans over there. 

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An interesting effect. 
Yeah. 

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So I guess the final appearance,
obviously. 

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The final appearance, yeah, of 
the, you know, but the basically

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if you look at the original 
illustration, I've seen the 

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illustration from Laurence 
Mccorry's concept art that he 

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was inspired by John Schoner's 
illustration for GRR Martin 

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Novelette. 
So that concept of a 7 foot 8 

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foot tall kind of shaggy dog 
like creature with a band 

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earlier that comes from a George
RR Martin book illustration. 

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I love that. 
Cool, So Chewbacca originated 

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from a dog but inspired by 
George RR Martin. 

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Wow, it's like I love these 
worlds colliding. 

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Yeah. 
Great piece of trivia. 

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History is amazing and that is 
my segue. 

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History is amazing to my 
question and this is a question 

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from the 18th century, Vinit, so
we are going way, way back. 

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How much do you know about the 
thoroughbred race horses from 

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18th century? 
Absolutely. 

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Nothing. 
I love it. 

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Great. 
Hopefully this will take you a 

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little effort. 
A particular racehorse who won 

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over 25 races. 
Let's call this racehorse X 1 / 

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25 races and place higher than 
some of the most prominent race 

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horses of this time was an 
important sire whose leading 

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runners included Epsom Derby 
winners Waxy Champion, Tyrant. 

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These are names perhaps famous 
among the racehorse community. 

453
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,720
He is best known apart from his 
racing credentials, he is best 

454
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,480
known for the unusual spelling 
of his name. 

455
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,760
So I'm going to tell you the 
origin of the name, and then 

456
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,960
you're going to tell me the name
of this particular horse. 

457
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,680
There are many different 
theories of how this name might 

458
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,920
have originated. 
According to the most common 

459
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:02,160
one, Bertie, who was the 
breeder, Bertie intended to call

460
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,840
the young colt Y. 
He instructed the stable boy to 

461
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,600
write the name on a feed bin. 
So he instructed the stable boy 

462
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,760
to write Y on the feed bin. 
The stable boy spelled the name 

463
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,480
phonetically and hence ended up 
with the name X. 

464
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,480
So he misspelled it, and he 
ended up calling it X, which 

465
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,680
amused Bertie so much that he 
adopted that name X instead. 

466
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,600
Or he adopted that particular 
spelling instead. 

467
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:34,480
What is the name? 
Do you want to take a wild guess

468
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:35,840
to begin with? 
Because right now I don't think 

469
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,000
I've given you enough clues. 
But take a wild guess to begin. 

470
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,920
See The thing is when it comes 
to race horses, I know just a 

471
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:48,000
few like Secretariat and Sea 
Biscuits, but those are like 

472
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,320
from the 20th century and maybe 
late 19th century. 

473
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,280
But this is the 18th century. 
I can't think of anything from 

474
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,480
the 18th century. 
Nothing. 

475
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:03,120
The only other kind of famous 
horse that comes to mind is 

476
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:06,160
Black Beauty, but it was not a 
racehorse. 

477
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,200
OK, you might not have heard of 
this particular horse. 

478
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,200
I had never even heard of this 
name before, but this piece of 

479
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,000
trivia is just too good to pass 
up on. 

480
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:20,760
He was named after a vegetable, 
the first to be grown in space. 

481
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:25,200
Lettuce no. 
What's the first vegetable to be

482
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,560
grown in space and nothing comes
to like like beetroot? 

483
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,080
Also famously portrayed in a 
science fiction work. 

484
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,640
Potato. 
Yes. 

485
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,920
So Y is potato. 
Do you want to take a guess as 

486
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,640
to what X is? 
So potato. 

487
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,120
Potato. 
Is it something to do with that?

488
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:47,960
No. 
It's a little, little stupider 

489
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:53,360
than that. 
OK, potato, Potato. 

490
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,680
Be potato, potato. 
I was think of it as if he was 

491
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,560
trying to spell it or he was 
trying to break it down 

492
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,320
phonetically and he ended up 
with the spelling. 

493
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,760
Potato. 
You're saying it like you're 

494
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:09,960
saying it. 
I don't know if you're hearing 

495
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,840
it. 
I wonder if our listeners can 

496
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,120
tell what the answer is right 
now because you're literally 

497
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:17,360
saying it out loud. 
Wait, I'm just saying potato 

498
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:18,520
differently, that's all. 
OK. 

499
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,960
Let me try to say it once with 
the emphasis and let's see if we

500
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,240
figure it out. 
OK. 

501
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,760
Pot 8 OH. 
Part 8 O. 

502
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,040
Yeah, if that had. 
Part Eight. 

503
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,640
Part 80. 
Close, close, close. 

504
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,760
I don't. 
Know OK Part 80. 

505
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,720
Part 80. 
I will put you out of a misery. 

506
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,920
The stable boy heard it as part 
8 O. 

507
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,520
So he wrote the word part 
followed by 8 OS. 

508
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,360
He thought the guy was saying 
part followed by 8 OS. 

509
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,800
That is just so dumb. 
So what did they call him? 

510
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,640
Patu. 
So he was Patu, Patu. 

511
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,760
I don't know, Patu. 
I guess Patu Patu. 

512
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,280
That's also the sound he made 
when he rushed past you on the 

513
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,840
race course. 
Do you remember the time when 

514
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,240
our podcast actually used to be 
much more serious? 

515
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,720
Yeah, neither do I, but still, I
just hope that was at some point

516
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,640
that, you know, some listeners 
listening to this might think 

517
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,720
like, OK, I just want to show 
you we do have serious episodes,

518
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,200
but this is a particularly 
silly. 

519
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,960
One and I take my comedy 
seriously also I should have 

520
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,480
done this earlier but let me do 
it now. 

521
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,640
This question was not my 
question. 

522
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,280
This was provided to us by 
another lovely listener Vishnu. 

523
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,920
Vishnu reached out to me on 
Instagram, so another place that

524
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,280
you can reach out to both Vineet
and I, and he give me a couple 

525
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:49,840
of questions. 
I picked this one to ask. 

526
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,920
So thank you. 
Vishnu, who's also a regular 

527
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,840
listener, and he says he really 
loves it and enjoys it. 

528
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,360
And he's always waiting for the 
next episode to drop. 

529
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,000
So Vishnu, hopefully in the next
episode you get to hear your own

530
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,840
question. 
This was Vishnu's question. 

531
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,600
For two, for two, for two, 
whatever. 

532
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,520
It is OK. 
OK. 

533
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:12,880
I see you. 
I see you. 

534
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,800
So you had a lot of O's, a lot 
of letters. 

535
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,800
So now I'm going to go to 
something also, which has a lot 

536
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,200
of letters, which is a poem. 
Now how's that for a segue? 

537
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,160
Have you heard of Alexander 
Pope? 

538
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:33,480
I have heard of this person. 
Yes, so Alexander Pope, famous 

539
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,920
author and poet, had many famous
poems. 

540
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,160
I'm just going to focus on one 
poem in particular, and this 

541
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,040
poem is called Eloisa to 
Abelard. 

542
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,280
The name of the poem is Eloisa 
to Abelard. 

543
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,240
So there are 4 lines. 
I'm going to specifically focus 

544
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,440
on one standard from this poem. 
I'm going to tell you what the 

545
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,200
words are and I'm going to leave
out one line and I want you to 

546
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,480
tell me which line I'm leaving 
out. 

547
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,960
OK, You with me so far. 
Yep. 

548
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:12,000
OK, so the first line is how 
happy is the blameless Westel's 

549
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,840
lot. 
The second line is the world 

550
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:20,320
forgetting by the world forgot. 
And then the line I want you to 

551
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,600
identify and the last line is 
each prayer accepted and. 

552
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,120
Each wish resigned. 
You already know this. 

553
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,920
I have heard of this firm. 
Such a smug look. 

554
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,280
It it's not, it's not a good 
look on you. 

555
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,000
No, I, I, I can't even take 
credit for this. 

556
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,240
This is like, you know, you, you
encounter some things in life 

557
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,560
that just move you at such a 
deep level that you can't help 

558
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,160
but remember these things. 
OK, that that that's enough 

559
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,920
grandstanding. 
I mean, like, see, he's he's 

560
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,880
he's quite smug. 
He's just come from the gym and 

561
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,840
he's looking ripped and kind of,
you know, all jacked up and 

562
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,120
wearing a muscle muscle tee and 
showing off all muscles and all 

563
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,720
and the smug look, it's not 
going to work. 

564
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,560
Don't know what to say to that, 
so I'm just going to tell you 

565
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,000
the answer. 
The answer is Eternal Sunshine 

566
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,240
of the Spotless Mind. 
Yes, yes it is. 

567
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,520
Right. 
OK, so for our audience who may 

568
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,560
be impressed with the fact that 
it took me some digging to get 

569
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:28,320
this, but there is a poem by 
Alexander Pope which is called 

570
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:33,840
Eloisa to Abelard. 
It was published in my 1717 and 

571
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,440
is based on a well known 
medieval story inspired by the 

572
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,160
12th century story of Elouise. 
The Aljum tells illicit love for

573
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:47,000
and secret marriage to a 
teacher, Peter Abelard, who was 

574
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,560
a famous Parisian philosopher 
some 20 years her senior. 

575
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,080
After their affair and marriage,
her family took brutal vengeance

576
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,120
on Abelard and castrated him, 
following which he entered a 

577
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,640
monastery and compelled Elouise 
to become a nun. 

578
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,440
Both then LED comparatively 
successful monastic careers. 

579
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,640
Years later, Abelard completed 
the Historia Calamitatum, which 

580
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,320
is the history of misfortune, 
cast as a letter of consolation 

581
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,920
to the fend. 
When it fell into Eloise's 

582
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,800
hands, her passion for him was 
reawakened, and there was an 

583
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,560
exchange of four letters between
them, written in an ornate Latin

584
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,760
style. 
In Pope's poem, Eloisa confesses

585
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,960
to the suppressed love that his 
letter has reawakened. 

586
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:39,080
So this is the kind of context 
in which Alexander Pope has 

587
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:44,040
written this poem and the 
complete stanza in continuation 

588
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,520
so that you can appreciate the 
sheer beauty of this poem goes 

589
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,200
as followed. 
How happy is the blameless 

590
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,160
Westel's lot. 
The world forgetting by the 

591
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,640
world forgot. 
Eternal sunshine of the spotless

592
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,960
mind. 
Each prayer accepted, each wish 

593
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,840
resigned. 
That's where the Jim Carrey 

594
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,960
movie get it to get its name. 
Yeah, that's the whole summary 

595
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,239
of this entire thing that I had 
to say. 

596
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,840
That Jim Carrey's movie came 
from a line from an Alexander 

597
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,280
Pope poem. 
And I was hoping that Aditya 

598
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,320
would be stumped. 
But this muscular man in front 

599
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,239
of me, he was just too smug. 
Might I remind you I also said 

600
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,679
Spike Lee instead of Stan Lee 
just a while back. 

601
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:27,840
Yeah. 
And I said it with so much 

602
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,639
confidence. 
I was like, I think I've cracked

603
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,639
this for the first one. 
No close. 

604
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,080
OK, that's a lovely question. 
Probably because it is a 

605
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,400
beautiful poem. 
These few lines are just so 

606
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,000
beautiful. 
And also that movie. 

607
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,199
Oh God, that movie. 
Yeah, the movie is great. 

608
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,719
If not for The Truman Show, this
would be by far my favorite Jim 

609
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,840
Carrey movie. 
But then, Truman Show is also a 

610
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,600
pretty phenomenal movie. 
How dare you? 

611
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,520
The best Jim Carrey movie ever 
is Dumb and Dumber, followed 

612
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,760
very closely by The Mask. 
Oh, I'm. 

613
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,240
Surprised you didn't say Ace 
Ventura. 

614
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,760
Oh, now you've got me confused. 
I'd have to put the mask and Ace

615
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,960
Ventura side by side. 
That's, that's a pretty valid 

616
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,160
list right there. 
I, I, I'll give you props for 

617
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,800
that. 
I actually think one of his 

618
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,480
underrated movies is Liar Liar. 
I think Liar Liar is just a 

619
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,600
hilarious movie. 
It is hilarious. 

620
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,000
So is me, myself and Irene. 
Also. 

621
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,600
Yes, man. 
Yeah, there we go. 

622
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,080
We agree on that. 1A phenomenal 
movie. 

623
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,960
I mean, like Jim Carrey is one 
of those people. 

624
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,160
He just everything he touches 
turns to gold. 

625
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,120
He had to be the Grinch in The 
Grinch Who Stole Christmas. 

626
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,840
And the prosthetic work was so 
time consuming and so 

627
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,760
suffocating that they actually 
had to bring in This is a true 

628
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,480
story. 
They had to bring in Acia expert

629
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,120
who had to teach him how to 
resist torture just so that he 

630
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,840
could get through this 
prosthetic experience. 

631
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,160
Putting on the prosthetics for 
becoming the great. 

632
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,960
No way, you're kidding me. 
Is that a real piece of trivia? 

633
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:08,000
It's a real thing. 
It's a real thing. 

634
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,040
You look at the movie, that's 
actual process. 

635
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,360
It's not CGI, right? 
They've actually spent hours, 

636
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,840
something, six hours, 7 hours in
the makeup chair every day just 

637
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,080
to get that on. 
And it was so bad that they had 

638
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,560
to actually bring in a torture 
expert to teach him how to 

639
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,280
resist torture techniques, to 
resist torture, so that he could

640
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,280
just stand putting on all that 
makeup and whatnot. 

641
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,320
And he still gave a stellar 
performance. 

642
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,440
My God, that that's, that's 
painful. 

643
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,480
That sounds painful. 
OK, great. 

644
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:42,880
So some lovely Jim Carrey movies
as recommendations, pop culture 

645
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,760
recommendations. 
I'm moving from your question 

646
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,680
about an English author. 
I'm going to move to something 

647
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:55,000
else that is English and in this
case it is the Court of Criminal

648
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,960
Appeal, which was an English 
appellate court for criminal 

649
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:03,680
cases established by the 
Criminal Appeal Act Nineteen O 

650
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,040
7. 
Eventually it was superseded by 

651
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,960
the Court of Appeal of England 
and Wales in 1966. 

652
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,520
So it it was around for close to
60 years. 

653
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,080
OK. 
This particular court came to be

654
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:23,200
because there was a lot of 
disquiet, a lot of public 

655
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,280
turmoil over the convictions of 
two people. 

656
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,240
And both of these convictions, 
perhaps even by common logic or 

657
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:34,720
common sense, seem to be 
wrongful convictions and were 

658
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:37,080
proven eventually to be wrongful
convictions as well. 

659
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,680
The first of which was a 
gentleman by the name of Adolf 

660
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,080
Beck. 
A very quick background on the 

661
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,120
Adolf Beck case, which was a 
notorious incident of wrongful 

662
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:52,120
conviction by mistaken identity 
brought about by unreliable 

663
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,760
methods of identification. 
But the other cases what we are 

664
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,080
interested in, which was the 
case of George Idalji. 

665
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,840
Now George Idalji was an English
solicitor and a son of a vicar 

666
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,080
of Indian Parsi descent in a 
village in England. 

667
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:12,680
He became known as a victim of a
miscarriage of justice for 

668
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,360
having served three years hard 
labour after being convicted on 

669
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:21,160
a charge of injuring a pony. 
He was initially regarded having

670
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,040
been responsible for the series 
of animal mutilations known as a

671
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,440
Great Riley Outrageous, but the 
prosecution case against him 

672
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,760
became regarded as weak and 
prejudice, probably because of 

673
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,520
racial overtones. 
He was pardoned on the grounds 

674
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:39,240
of the conviction being an 
unsafe 1 after a campaign in 

675
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:43,520
which X took a prominent role. 
And that brings me to my 

676
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,880
question. 
Who is X responsible for 

677
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:53,520
overturning this criminal 
conviction and restoring justice

678
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,080
and eventually leading to, I 
guess, indirectly setting up 

679
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,960
this Court of Criminal appeal? 
England and males. 

680
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,320
Since they're the same, Court of
Criminal Appeals is going to be 

681
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,720
quite long. 
I'm going to shorten it to COCA.

682
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,880
So when did you say that Koka 
was established? 

683
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:17,280
Koka was established in 19 O 7 
and stuck around in 1966. 

684
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,440
These two cases that I mentioned
happened close to that time. 

685
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:26,280
I think George Dalti's case 
happened in 19 O 6. 

686
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,160
OK, nineteen O 6. 
OK. 

687
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:35,360
So given the fact that this is 
still during the colonial era 

688
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:41,000
and you said somebody of Parsi 
dissent, I'm guessing this was a

689
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,480
barrister of Indian origin. 
That is a very solid guess. 

690
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,000
I give you props for trying to 
read my mind, I guess, because I

691
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,360
would ask you a question where 
it would be an unexpected 

692
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,000
person. 
But no, it is not an Indian 

693
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,400
barrister fighting for the 
justice of a man of Indian Parsi

694
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,920
origin or dissent. 
No, it isn't Mahatma Gandhi, OK.

695
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,600
No, I was actually thinking of 
Jinnah, but. 

696
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,000
OK, yeah, neither Jinnah nor 
Gandhi nor it's. 

697
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,880
Because by 19, by the 1900s, 
Gandhi was already in South 

698
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,080
Africa. 
That is true. 

699
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,360
Yes, you are right. 
No, it's neither Jinnah nor 

700
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:18,960
Gandhi. 
Nobody Indian at all. 

701
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:24,160
Nobody Indian. 
OK, then I would probably go 

702
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,040
into the Spencer family. 
Churchill. 

703
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,840
OK, so at this point I'm going 
to give you a clue because this 

704
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,080
clue is also so beautiful. 
It has to be part of the 

705
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:37,320
question, OK? 
X arrived to meet with Adalji at

706
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,040
a hotel after becoming 
interested in the case. 

707
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:45,000
X recalled that he paused to 
study Adalji, who was passing 

708
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,960
the time reading a newspaper 
while waiting in the lobby. 

709
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,840
On observing how Adalji held the
paper at an angle inches from 

710
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,800
his face, X was convinced that 
Adalji was innocent. 

711
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,600
He believed it impossible for 
someone with eyesight as bad as 

712
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,840
the Dalgies to have moved 
through the countryside after 

713
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,800
nightfall, attacking animals and
successfully evading the police.

714
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,680
OK, now my next question too is 
very, very, very important. 

715
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,920
Is X actually a barrister? 
No, no. 

716
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,720
So then my first guest to you 
after all of that would be Sir 

717
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:25,400
Arthur Conan Doyle. 
Oh, brilliant crack. 

718
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,080
And I knew that hint would get 
you there. 

719
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:32,600
I'm I'm very impressed. 
Yes, it is so Arthur Conan 

720
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,320
Doyle, who apart from he wrote a
couple of books like, I don't 

721
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,160
know if you've heard of it, like
Sherlock Holmes here and there. 

722
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,840
Yeah, he wrote a book about 
Professor Challenger and a few 

723
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,840
of his friends visiting a lost 
world where they find dinosaurs.

724
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,440
No, this is actually true. 
What? 

725
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,160
I thought you would make some 
weird reference to Jurassic 

726
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:53,880
Park. 
Or something. 

727
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,840
So The Lost World, if you did 
not know, is an actual science 

728
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,040
fiction novel written by Sir 
Arthur Conan Doyle. 

729
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,120
It's about an expedition to a 
plateau in the Amazon basin 

730
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,720
where they find prehistoric 
animals. 

731
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,800
And there was a character called
as Professor Challenger. 

732
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,040
Like Sherlock Holmes was created
by Saratha Connor died, but he's

733
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,480
like the direct opposite of 
Sherlock Holmes. 

734
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,120
Holmes is controlled, very 
clinical. 

735
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,240
And Challenger is, you know, 
big, strong and query aggressive

736
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,800
and angry and hot tempered and 
whatnot. 

737
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,040
Very cool. 
That is a lovely piece of trivia

738
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,200
side trivia. 
But coming back to the question,

739
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:43,440
Arthur Connor Doyle, apart from 
writing some landmark and path 

740
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,520
breaking books, also was 
interested in criminal justice. 

741
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,240
And much like his celebrated 
character Sherlock Holmes, he 

742
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:55,560
was known to pay close attention
to detail and drawing logical 

743
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,280
inferences, as he did in this 
case with Adalji, which I love. 

744
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,960
It's such a brilliant way of 
showcasing that talent in the 

745
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,680
real world, where he noticed 
something about a person who was

746
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,160
accused of a crime and just by 
their mannerism, realized that 

747
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,720
they couldn't have possibly 
committed that crime because Ed 

748
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:14,200
Alji wasn't able to read the 
newspaper at a distance, so he 

749
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,520
had to bring it up close to his 
face. 

750
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,880
And Doyle assumed or surmised 
accurately, that he would not 

751
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,160
have been able to commit those 
crimes on animals in the dead of

752
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,240
night and escape the cops as 
well. 

753
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:31,720
So that is how this particular 
landmark case was overturned. 

754
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:36,160
Ed Alji and his conviction was 
overturned and the Court of 

755
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,120
Criminal Appeal, which stood for
60 years, was established as 

756
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,720
pretty much a direct result of 
that case and Adolf Beck's case.

757
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,720
What a great way for trivia and 
pop culture and all of it to 

758
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:50,880
sort of mishmash and intertwine.
Yes. 

759
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,160
And Koka was the result of all 
of that. 

760
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,840
OK, that was a very good 
question. 

761
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:04,080
And moving on from Saratha 
Conran Doyle who was a very 

762
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:09,040
talented person to another very 
talented person, XX is a multi 

763
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,800
talented artist who had the 
following to say during their 

764
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,840
SNL monologue. 
And this is the line I'm going. 

765
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:21,040
OK, people assume that I am like
the character X simply because I

766
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,040
wrote it sexually. 
Depraved, foul mouthed. 

767
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,920
I am not a sex addict because I 
wrote X. 

768
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:29,440
But I did write. 
Why? 

769
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,160
Because I am a psychopath. 
So who's X? 

770
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:37,360
That's my question. 
OK, no, I have no clue right now

771
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,560
at all. 
I can't think of and like, is it

772
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,200
a film character? 
No, so this is an actual person.

773
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:49,160
So this is an actual person. 
And they have written 2 very, 

774
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:56,480
very famous modern day pieces of
pop culture and two very good 

775
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,360
characters and let's say 2 very 
good shows. 

776
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,360
I'll, I'll give you that much. 2
very good shows. 

777
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,960
They're talking about those two 
shows, the show X. 

778
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,880
It's about a very sexually 
depraved and foul mouthed 

779
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,320
character. 
And why about a psychopath? 

780
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:18,440
Sexually depraved? 
I don't know if Barney Stinson 

781
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,360
fits that bill, but again, he 
was not foul mouthed. 

782
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,560
I don't remember Barney Stinson 
being foul mouthed, so probably 

783
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,080
not the right answer there. 
A sexually depraved character? 

784
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:29,920
No man, I can't think of 
anything. 

785
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,320
Wow, you probably have to clue 
me in with some sort of a hint. 

786
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:38,360
OK, so this person has also been
involved. 

787
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,760
I'm not going to tell you in 
what capacity in the following 

788
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:49,120
movies and TV series, right 
Broadchurch, The Iron Lady, 

789
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:55,720
Goodbye Christopher Robin, Solo,
A Star Wars Story, No Time to 

790
00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:59,320
Die, and Indiana Jones in The 
Dial of Destiny. 

791
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,240
OK. 
You didn't tell me in what 

792
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:05,680
capacity you'd so not 
necessarily as a writer. 

793
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,120
It could be in different 
capacities. 

794
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:10,600
Yes. 
Another sexually depraved and 

795
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:15,120
foul mouthed character did make 
me think of Bojack Horseman, but

796
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,280
I don't think that guy has. 
Good guess, but no. 

797
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,480
Yeah, yeah. 
I would kind of suggest that you

798
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,280
focus on the last three things I
mentioned the last three kind of

799
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,440
shows and movies, because this 
person was in the news for being

800
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,600
involved in these projects, 
which is Solo, A Star Wars 

801
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:37,000
Story, No Time to Die, which is 
Daniel Craig's final appearance 

802
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,480
as James Bond, and the final one
is Indiana Jones in The Dial of 

803
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:46,440
Destiny. 
Was this person, by any chance? 

804
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,720
Because you're mentioning it and
I don't think a lot of writers 

805
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:50,960
are that famous. 
So was this person an actor in 

806
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:55,360
some of these projects? 
Yes, let me just clarify again 

807
00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:00,200
that they were an actor in some 
of these projects, not all. 

808
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,560
See, I noticed something now, 
because you said that last 

809
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,760
particular sentence. 
You didn't say he, you said 

810
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,680
they. 
Which I have been saying. 

811
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,680
I just noticed it now. 
So which somehow leads you to 

812
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,000
the fact that it's probably not 
a man. 

813
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,320
And because you had said 
sexually depraved and foul 

814
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,320
mouthed, I had automatically 
assumed I was just thinking of 

815
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,040
male characters and a male 
writer. 

816
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,080
But perhaps it's not a male 
character or a male writer. 

817
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:29,600
It's a woman. 
Let's take a wild guess and wild

818
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,120
stab at fleabag. 
Is it Phoebe Warner Bridge? 

819
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,880
Because I know she's appeared in
Indiana Jones. 

820
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,360
Yes, she has. 
OK, OK, OK, wait. 

821
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,800
OK, so I get that X is probably 
fleabag. 

822
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,080
X is fleabag. 
What is? 

823
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:45,560
Y. 
Yeah. 

824
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,160
So she has written something 
else which was a psychopath. 

825
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,280
Yes, yes, fantastic show. 
No, I don't know. 

826
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,560
Unfortunately, I don't know much
of Fibiola Bridge's other work, 

827
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,800
which is she has written. 
I do love Fleabag, but I haven't

828
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,320
seen the rest of her work. 
OK, one final clue. 

829
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,600
The show Why is a spy thriller 
series spy? 

830
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,400
Thriller series? 
Is it a famous series? 

831
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,640
Oh, very, very, very famous. 
Multiple Emmy and Golden Globe 

832
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,560
nominations. 
Oh OK, no, I don't know. 

833
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,120
What is the name of this? 
So the one that I'm talking 

834
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,680
about is Killing Eve. 
I've heard of it but I've 

835
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:26,320
literally never even seen like a
single episode. 

836
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,520
You will have to watch at least 
the first couple of seasons. 

837
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:33,600
Jodie Comer is a revelation in 
that I became a big fan of Go 

838
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,120
Jodie Comer after watching the 
show. 

839
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,320
So Killing Eve, which I'd also 
make a pop as a pop culture 

840
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,520
recommendation. 
Killing Eve is a fantastic show 

841
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,720
and X is Fleabag. 
And as you rightly guessed, the 

842
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:49,280
author that I'm talking about is
Phoebe Baller Bridge, who, if 

843
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,600
you did not know, also 
contributed to the screenplay of

844
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,200
No Time to Die. 
Oh, OK. 

845
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,720
And she voiced a character in 
Solo. 

846
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,080
So let me just put all of that 
into context so you can actually

847
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:06,400
hear the actual quote. 
People assume that I'm like the 

848
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,240
character Fleabag simply because
I wrote it sexually. 

849
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:12,520
Depraved, foul mouthed. 
I'm not a sex addict because I 

850
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,920
wrote Fleabag, but I did write 
Killing Eve because I am a 

851
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,360
psychopath. 
That does sound like something 

852
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,320
Phoebe Waller Bridge would say. 
Yeah, I love it. 

853
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,000
Very cool. 
And Fleabag. 

854
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,000
It's another recommendation. 
Fantastic show. 

855
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,480
Perfect. 
And also, you know what? 

856
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,480
I need to do better. 
I need to learn better. 

857
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,520
I should not assume that the 
answer would be a man just 

858
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,640
because it is sexually depraved 
at former. 

859
00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:39,600
Women can be sexually depraved 
at former too. 

860
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,040
I don't know. 
I don't know if that is a 

861
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,160
feminist stance or not, but I 
guess that's that's something I 

862
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,960
should remember and take away. 
Yeah. 

863
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,800
Lovely. 
OK, so I think that's all the 

864
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,440
time we have for our regular 
questions. 

865
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,600
So let's move on to the end of 
our episode. 

866
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,520
And the audience question which 
I asked at the beginning of 

867
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,760
today's episode, which word 
meaning to plan together 

868
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,200
secretly is derived from the 
Latin for breathe with or 

869
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,680
breathe together having the same
root as the word respiration. 

870
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,320
So Aditya. 
I would imagine it is conspire. 

871
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,360
Yes, conspiracy or conspire. 
The noun conspiracy came into 

872
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,400
English from the Anglo Norman 
French word conspiracy, which 

873
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,120
derived from the Latin word 
conspirar, meaning to agree or 

874
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,160
plot. 
The prefix con means with while 

875
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,760
spirar means to breathe, 
suggesting an image of people 

876
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,600
who are so close together while 
plotting that their breaths. 

877
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,640
Mingle. 
OK, so that is a pretty great 

878
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:42,240
audience question because it 
reminds me of this trivia I 

879
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:47,520
encountered about how breathing 
and the Latin for spirar has led

880
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,040
to so many different words, 
Right. 

881
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,840
So obviously respiration and 
perspiration, which perspiration

882
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,800
is breathe through because 
you're breathing through your 

883
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,080
skin. 
But there are so many other 

884
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,680
words. 
There is also when you're 

885
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,520
striving and reaching for 
something, you're breathing to 

886
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,880
that thing that becomes aspire. 
So that is where aspiration 

887
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:07,800
comes from. 
Yeah. 

888
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,040
And if you found yourself 
influenced by an idea or 

889
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,480
purpose, that is an idea 
breathed into you, that is 

890
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,560
inspired. 
So that is how it was breathed 

891
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,280
into you. 
Breathing with a person, 

892
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,480
obviously, like I said, conspire
because you're doing it with, 

893
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,520
con with. 
And when you die, you literally 

894
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,840
and figuratively breathe out 
your last breath, which is why 

895
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,920
you expire. 
Yeah. 

896
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,560
So breathing was associated with
the concept of life. 

897
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,240
It's a lad. 
And that's where the word spirit

898
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,360
also comes from, by the way. 
So a lot of interesting 

899
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,120
etymologies from just that 
spirar. 

900
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,720
Yes. 
So what's your pop culture 

901
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:47,160
recommendation, Adya? 
Oh, I'm going to do a few. 

902
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,000
I'm very excited this week 
because a lot of lovely things 

903
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,160
have happened. 
I firstly started off by 

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00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,920
watching Angry Young Men, which 
is on Amazon Prime. 

905
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:00,440
It is ATV series and this talks 
about Salim Khan and Javed 

906
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,480
Akhtar, two people who have 
featured as a question on our 

907
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,400
podcast before Salim Khan and 
Javed Akhtar. 

908
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:12,000
And it talks about their 
meteoric rise and pretty much 

909
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,120
how they changed the face of 
Bollywood and Hindi cinema in 

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00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:21,320
India with their series of hits.
I believe 22 out of the 24 films

911
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,560
that they wrote together were 
smash hits and some of the most 

912
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,520
iconic names that you can think 
of. 

913
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:31,800
Sholay, Shan. 
Zanji and Deewar and Dawn, just 

914
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,120
all of these very very iconic 
films pretty much established 

915
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,160
that angry young man, which is 
also where this name of the show

916
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,200
comes from. 
Angry young man trope of Amitabh

917
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,520
Bachchan, which solidified him 
as the superstar of his era. 

918
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,880
Turns out, and this is just a 
little bit of a spoiler from the

919
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,720
show, but hey, it's a docu 
series so spoilers don't count. 

920
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,800
But in one of the films, they 
asked the producers that they 

921
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:58,040
want to be paid ₹1,00,000 more. 
And a lakh back then was a big 

922
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,600
deal ₹1,00,000 more than the 
highest build star, which in 

923
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,560
this case was Amitabh Bachchan. 
So they got paid. 

924
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,480
I think Amitabh Bachchan got 
paid 21 lakhs 20,00,000 and they

925
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,800
got paid 1,00,000 which is 21 or
22. 

926
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,320
Whatever. 
They were paid more than the 

927
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,280
lead actor who at this time was 
the peak of his stardom, and 

928
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,960
that's the kind of money that 
they could command because they 

929
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:25,560
were pretty much guaranteed to 
produce a hit at the box office.

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00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:30,280
That's just a taste of the kind 
of fun, interesting history that

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00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:31,920
you get to see in this 
particular shows. 

932
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,720
I would highly recommend Prime 
Video, Angry young men, the 

933
00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:37,760
story of Salim Khan and Javed 
Akhtar. 

934
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,200
Salim Javed as they were known. 
The other pop culture 

935
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,800
recommendation I have is a movie
I watched Choked. 

936
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,400
I had not even heard of it, just
showed up on my Netflix 

937
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,680
recommendation. 
Great film, I really enjoyed it.

938
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,680
I don't want to give too much of
A spoiler, but it is talks about

939
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,480
society and culture and politics
in a very interesting way. 

940
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:03,520
Also has some lovely 
allegorical, metaphorical sort 

941
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,760
of representation of how society
struggles. 

942
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,400
And this is directed and Co 
produced by Anurag Kashyap. 

943
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,600
Wow. 
And I was surprised. 

944
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,560
Yeah, just like you, I had no 
idea that he made this film More

945
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,960
than the direction. 
By the way, I gotta give a shout

946
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,520
out to the actors. 
Just phenomenal acting all 

947
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,280
across the board. 
Sammy Care and Rosh and Matthew 

948
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,640
just stole my heart in this one.
Phenomenal acting. 

949
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,920
The other two recommendations 
I'm going to make from pop 

950
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,640
culture are going to be two 
things that are back. 

951
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,040
They are happening again and I'm
extremely excited about it. 

952
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,800
Crash Course, which is how John 
Green and Hank Green shot to 

953
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,160
fame. 
Well, they also shot to fame 

954
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,280
with the Blog Brothers, but 
Crash Course also gave them a 

955
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,960
lot of prominence on YouTube 
back in the day. 

956
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,560
John Green is hosting Crash 
Course all over again, and this 

957
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,880
time it's a crash course on 
Religion. 

958
00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:54,320
I'm very excited about this. 
Watch Crash Course, all of those

959
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,520
stuff that they've posted in the
past, especially the John Green 

960
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,320
stuff. 
I've always enjoyed that history

961
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,760
and whatnot. 
And look out for Crash Course on

962
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,480
Religion, which is going to be 
released soon. 

963
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,800
The other thing that is back on,
and I think I've recommended it 

964
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,840
in the past, but here's another 
shout out to this is Every Frame

965
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:15,400
of Painting, a YouTube channel 
which talks about movies and the

966
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,960
guy who used to make it, Tony. 
So I believe a Canadian editor, 

967
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:23,080
he had stopped making these 
videos 6-7 years ago. 

968
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,720
And I remember there was a post 
on Medium or some blog where he 

969
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:28,440
talked about how he was done 
with it because it was too 

970
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,200
taxing and took too much of 
effort and you didn't want to go

971
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,920
back to it. 
And it broke my heart because it

972
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,880
was one of those first video 
essay channels which just purely

973
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,960
dedicated to film on YouTube 
that I loved and I used to the 

974
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,720
cinefile and me used to love. 
Looking forward to any new 

975
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:43,720
video. 
And he posted a video very 

976
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:46,600
recently just out of the blue. 
And there's a new video of every

977
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,840
show painting out again in the 
last, I think week or two weeks.

978
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,640
And I'm very excited. 
I'm hoping Tony Zoe is back to 

979
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,560
posting videos again. 
So check out the old videos. 

980
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,840
Check out the new video. 
I think it's a video called two 

981
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,200
shot. 
So he's talking about the two 

982
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,040
shot where it's a short where 
there are two people in the same

983
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:02,120
short. 
And he talks about that. 

984
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,800
The last recommendation I'm 
going to make, and I don't even 

985
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,880
know if this is a pop culture 
recommendation, but I'm going to

986
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:11,120
say this is a food item. 
It's called Notch chips. 

987
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:16,440
And what if you live in, if you 
live in India and you have 

988
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,200
access to blanket or dunzo or 
whatever, you should order 

989
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:21,720
yourself some Notch chips. 
I trust me. 

990
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:24,200
They're not paying me for this. 
I've just been eating so much of

991
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,200
this recently that I want people
to try it out. 

992
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,000
It is prohibitively expensive. 
It is going to break my bank 

993
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,240
very soon because a single 
packet cost like ₹300.00. 

994
00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:36,840
So yeah, don't, don't buy them 
too much, but buy one packet and

995
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:38,760
check it out. 
It is truly something worth 

996
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,720
checking out. 
And as we have never done 

997
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:41,800
before, I'm going to do this one
time. 

998
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,000
I'm going to recommend a food 
item. 

999
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,080
Notch. 
NATCH, Notch chips. 

1000
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,640
Go check those out. 
Wow, that was different. 

1001
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,760
But hey, right is the spice of 
life. 

1002
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:53,680
Get it? 
Get it? 

1003
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:54,880
Spice chips. 
Yeah. 

1004
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:56,720
Right. 
OK. 

1005
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,120
So my recommendation is already 
including two of the things I've

1006
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,840
mentioned, which is Killing Eve 
and Fleabag. 

1007
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:08,280
And coming back to the kind of 
things that I've consumed 

1008
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,440
recently, there is a show which 
I really wanted to recommend 

1009
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:17,600
called Gara Gara, which is the 
Hindi for 11:11. 

1010
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:22,520
It is an adaptation of the 
Korean series Signal. 

1011
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,680
Now, I'd watched the original 
Korean series Signal many years 

1012
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,080
ago and I really loved it at the
time. 

1013
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:33,240
And this is a very, very good 
adaptation and starring Raghav 

1014
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,800
Junior, who I think we have 
mentioned on the podcast before 

1015
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:41,360
about the movie Kill. 
And I recently kind of just put 

1016
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,560
it together. 
I don't know if you remember 

1017
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,680
Aditya. 
Do you remember around 10 years 

1018
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:51,160
ago there was this viral clip of
this dude who appeared on a 

1019
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,520
dance show and started doing 
this kind of slow motion walk? 

1020
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,480
I believe you were talking about
crock. 

1021
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,040
Rose. 
Yes, crock rose. 

1022
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,240
I did not put together that 
Crock Rose was Raghav Jayal. 

1023
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,960
I used to dance a lot more back 
then, I don't as much anymore. 

1024
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,000
So being on YouTube and watching
dance videos was pretty much 

1025
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,960
like most of what I did with my 
day. 

1026
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,480
And the Crock Rose videos were 
something I obsessed already. 

1027
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,840
I tried to do it so many times 
in my dorm room in my college. 

1028
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,520
Just keep a class. 
I'm just trying to do that move 

1029
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,360
where he walks, slow motion 
walks up and I believe it is 

1030
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,600
Madhuri Dixit or somebody who is
a guest judge in that episode. 

1031
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,640
And he gives her a flower and 
does that in this beautiful slow

1032
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,680
motion move. 
And I thought, oh God, if only 

1033
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,240
one day I can do it. 
And who knew this man had so 

1034
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,120
many other talents as well? 
Yeah, I mean, he's quite 

1035
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,240
natural. 
So Gara Gara. 

1036
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,920
I would also recommend that you 
can try and watch the original 

1037
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,040
Korean show on which it is 
based. 

1038
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,520
It's called Signal. 
Another one I wanted to 

1039
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,680
recommend actually. 
This just came off the top of my

1040
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,160
head because of Aditya's 
question about Sir Arthur Conan 

1041
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:57,840
Doyle using his powers of 
observation to prove the 

1042
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,520
innocence of a wrongly convicted
person. 

1043
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,880
And there's a movie that I was 
immediately reminded of called 

1044
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,720
Primal Fear, which is starring 
Edward Norton in one of his 

1045
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,000
first few roles and Richard Gere
as an attorney. 

1046
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:15,360
I'm going to say nothing more. 
Just watch the movie. 

1047
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,880
You are not going to be 
disappointed. 

1048
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,080
It's one of those movies that 
was ruined for me because I saw 

1049
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,640
the Hindi adaptation of it. 
Oh, there's a Hindi adaptation 

1050
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,480
of it. 
There is a Hindi adaptation of 

1051
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,400
it and it is a bad adaptation. 
It was very annoying. 

1052
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,000
That movie was ruined for me in 
this terrible, terrible way. 

1053
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,440
Let's not put out the name of 
the Hindi adaptation here. 

1054
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:42,080
So Primal Fear Gaara Gaara, 
which is basically the Hindi for

1055
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:46,360
11:11, which is a remake of the 
original Korean show Signal and 

1056
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:50,160
a Fleabag and Killing Eve. 
That's, I think, quite enough 

1057
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,800
from me this week. 
That is a lot of pop culture 

1058
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,800
recommendations and I feel bad, 
but I have to give a shout out 

1059
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:00,320
once more to Arjun's 
recommendation, which was 

1060
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,520
blistering Barnacles, The 
Rambles and Rages of Captain 

1061
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,440
Haddock, A coffee table book 
sounds interesting. 

1062
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,000
I haven't seen it, but I didn't 
recommend it. 

1063
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,720
Check it out. 
And the other thing that we 

1064
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,400
spoke about extensively, some 
Jim Carrey movies. 

1065
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,600
So literally just go Google best
Jim Carrey movies and watch. 

1066
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,840
All of them. 
Many Jim Carrey movies, Yeah. 

1067
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,200
I'll give you a non 
recommendation. 

1068
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,320
You already said the Bollywood 
film that is an adaptation of 

1069
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:23,400
Primal Fear. 
Don't watch that. 

1070
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,000
I'm not going to name that. 
You know, another movie that was

1071
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,560
ruined for me? 
Usual suspects Vineet. 

1072
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,680
Usual suspects. 
You watch was chocolate. 

1073
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,120
Oh God I feel so bad for you 
when it comes to movie watching.

1074
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:40,080
For me, there was a time before 
I watched Usual Suspects and the

1075
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:44,200
time after I watched it. 
Kaiser Soze literally blew my 

1076
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,000
mind. 
I did not see that ending 

1077
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,200
coming. 
Anybody who says that they did 

1078
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:55,160
is lying. 
That is straight up lie perfect.

1079
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,720
Lovely long list of 
recommendations. 

1080
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,520
We do this for you. 
We watch it so that you also 

1081
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,000
have to. 
So that's all for this episode. 

1082
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,800
Thank you for listening in. 
We hope you enjoyed the show and

1083
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,680
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1084
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,440
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1085
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,240
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1086
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,200
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1087
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,160
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1088
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:23,840
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1089
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,840
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1090
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,080
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1091
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,720
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1092
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,240
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1093
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,440
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1094
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,160
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1095
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,840
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1096
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,440
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1097
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,960
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1098
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,360
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1099
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,760
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1100
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,040
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1101
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