1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,760 Welcome to are you quizzing me. I am Vineet Nair with my Co host 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,840 Aditya Kashyap. This is a quizzing trivia 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,960 podcast show. Join us as we dive deep into 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,400 history, science, pop culture and so much more. 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:20,000 Let's get quizzing. Greetings, we are back for 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,760 episode #106 of are you quizzing me, your favorite quizzing and 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,960 trivia podcast show. Aditya and I are back for 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,200 another round of quizzing, and apologies in advance for any 9 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,120 rolls of Thunder that you may hear in the background, because 10 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,440 there's a thunderstorm going on right outside my window. 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,400 And before all my power goes out because of a lightning strike or 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,960 something, let's start the episode with a question that I'm 13 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,120 going to ask the audience and the answer for which I will 14 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,440 reveal at the end of today's episode. 15 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:55,000 What term is used in French cuisine to denote a dish with a 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,800 base of spinach? Not to be confused with a very 17 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,840 pretty looking southern European city or the restaurant which 18 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,360 serves the best chicken kafriyal in Goa. 19 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,800 Let me repeat that. What term is used in French 20 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,760 cuisine to denote a dish with a base of spinach? 21 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,840 Not to be confused with a very pretty looking southern European 22 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,280 city or the restaurant which serves the best chicken kafriyal 23 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,440 in Goa. I will reveal the answer to this 24 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,800 at the end of today's episode and now doubt our regular round 25 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,160 of quizzing. Aditya, why don't you start this 26 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:27,640 off? OK. 27 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,000 So today's question is a question related to history. 28 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,600 And this question has to do with a specific incident that 29 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:39,240 happened in very modern history. And that incident sparked 2, 30 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,920 let's say, significant outcomes. OK? 31 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:45,040 One of them is what I'm going to ask you. 32 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,840 The second one I'm just going to provide as a backup additional 33 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:49,920 trivia. OK. 34 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,760 Having given that context, here's the incident. 35 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:59,640 On 1st September 1983, Korean Airlines flight from New York 36 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:06,640 City to Seoul via Alaska was shot down OK by a Soviet 37 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,000 interceptor aircraft. This was a Sukhoi SU-15 38 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,880 interceptor aircraft. OK. 39 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:16,200 This particular Boeing 747 airline which was shot down, was 40 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,480 on the way from Anchorage to Seoul, but due to some error in 41 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:25,680 navigation by the crew, they drifted from the route and ended 42 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,760 up going through the prohibited airspace over USSR. 43 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,200 So 1983, that's when USSR was still around. 44 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,440 Yes, because of that particular error, they were shot down. 45 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,800 This was a very tragic incident because 246 people, the 46 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,480 passengers and 23 crew passed away almost immediately. 47 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,920 So this was a unfortunate incident in modern history. 48 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,480 However, it had two very specific outcomes. 49 00:02:50,920 --> 00:02:54,640 Can you try to guess what were at least give me the one which 50 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:58,080 is perhaps more pertinent to everybody listening to this 51 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,200 podcast and most people around the world. 52 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:03,960 This won't be the flight recorder, right? 53 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,200 That's much prior to that. The black box is a little bit 54 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,680 older than that, yes. Older than that, yeah. 55 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:14,280 OK. Courier from New York to Seoul 56 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,160 via Anchorage, right? Correct. 57 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,440 And it was shot down over the USSR when it drifted off course. 58 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:25,960 Yeah, so the Soviet shooting down and South Korea's AUS ally. 59 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,960 OK now, because I was thinking of the hotline, you know, the 60 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,040 red phone they shown on cartoons and TV's. 61 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,920 But then I think that was also prior to that, it was during 62 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:37,360 Khrushchev and I think Kennedy when that was already there. 63 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,360 So then that's not it either. OK, I'll need a clue. 64 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:42,760 Give me a clue. OK. 65 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,680 So I'll just first, I'll just emphasize on what I already 66 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,520 said. This particular development or 67 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:53,680 this particular outcome has a very universal positive impact. 68 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:58,360 I would say this is something that is universally used and 69 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,160 applied. What year was this again? 70 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:10,560 1983. 83 went to trust, was in 92, so it's 88, so 84. 71 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,680 Yeah. So this would be just prior to 72 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,560 Reagan. OK, while shot in the dark, 73 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:21,399 Reagan's directive to make GPS free and to cast to the world 74 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:24,160 basically, instead of using it only for Reagan. 75 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,120 I think they did that in 84 or 85, I'm not sure which year. 76 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,440 Very impressive as always. Oh, thank you. 77 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,840 Absolutely right. The GPS project, the Global 78 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:39,640 Positioning System, practically everybody who uses a phone has 79 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,680 used it, and probably most people know about it as well. 80 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,000 The GPS project was started by the US Department of Defence in 81 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,720 1973. Yeah. 82 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,840 So it was used only for military purposes for the longest time. 83 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:55,280 When the Korean Airlines flight Double O 7 was shot down over 84 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:58,440 Soviet airspace, Ronald Reagan announced that the GPS system 85 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,040 would be made available for civilian use as of September 16, 86 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,480 1983, so pretty soon thereafter. It was 83. 87 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,600 I OK I kept thinking it's 84 for some reason if. 88 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,800 You did declare it that it should be used by then maybe it 89 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,240 came into proper usage maybe a year later or something like 90 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:13,840 that. OK. 91 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,480 Yeah, OK. This was an immediate press 92 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,000 release in the aftermath of the shooting. 93 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:22,280 And Ronald Reagan said that this once it is sufficiently 94 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:25,480 developed, it should be out there for the public good. 95 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,040 And that's what GPS came to be used by the public at large and 96 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,600 not necessarily just by the military. 97 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:35,240 And I would say that has been a largely positive impact of her 98 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,440 at the tragic incident that happened in 1983. 99 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:40,640 Yeah, OK. What was the other thing you 100 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,600 said you were going to keep in in the background just in case? 101 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,280 So I don't know how familiar you are with Lee Greenwood. 102 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,200 Lee Greenwood name does not particularly ring a bell. 103 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,520 The only reason I know Lee Greenwood is because John Oliver 104 00:05:56,840 --> 00:05:59,040 regular listeners would know I'm a I'm a fan. 105 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,360 Last week tonight. Last Week Tonight has done in 106 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,760 Last Week Tonight episode about Lee Greenwood and Lee Greenwood, 107 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,800 a big Trump supporter and all of that, his politics aside, he's 108 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,400 known for his signature song, God Bless the USA, which Trump 109 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,640 has used quite often. It is used very often when 110 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,120 citizenship process is completed for people in the US and some of 111 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,040 them oh. OK, yeah, the oath taking 112 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:22,880 ceremony. Correct. 113 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,160 So during that it's very often used and so so the episode is 114 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,320 related to that. But anyways, coming back to this 115 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,600 pop culture trivia, God Bless the USA was written by Lee 116 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,400 Greenwood in response to his feelings about the shooting down 117 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,760 of Korean Airlines flight 007. Oh, OK. 118 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:40,640 He wanted to write something that was an honest reflection of 119 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,040 his pride. To be American. 120 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,800 That's how the song came to be. Nice. 121 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:50,000 Probably not as important or useful as the GPS, but still. 122 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,480 That was a great question. If my memory serves me right, 123 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,480 somewhere in the depths of our previous episodes, I've asked a 124 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,960 question very similar to this, Not regarding this particularly, 125 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,720 but with GPS. But for the life of me, I myself 126 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,840 can't remember what it was. I just remember I've asked it. 127 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,800 So listeners, if anybody can remember what I asked please. 128 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,680 I think we need an intern at this point just to keep track of 129 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:15,680 the question that I've been asked. 130 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,880 Yeah, it's just, it's just ridiculous at this point. 131 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:24,960 OK, so let me just preface this in advance that wow, Aditya. 132 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,080 So drinking from a vodka bottle straight from a vodka bottle, 133 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,400 this is so impressive. Yeah, during a podcast and still 134 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,600 being able to answer questions. Drunk histories for nerds. 135 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:39,440 We do drunk trivia now, but. We should really do a drunk 136 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:40,440 trivia once. We should. 137 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:41,840 We should. We should, yeah. 138 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,240 OK, So this is a fun little question. 139 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,560 It's very open-ended question and it's fun. 140 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,720 It's just an anecdote. It's a legend. 141 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:54,160 So take it in that sense, right? So according to legend, Matthew 142 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:59,520 Boyer played a spectacular golf shot in 1987. 143 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,840 It was described as a glorious slice. 144 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,560 So if you're a golfer or an avid golfer or whatever, you should 145 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,760 probably know what a slice is. Don't ask me. 146 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,000 I just know that there's a shot called a slice in golf. 147 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:16,200 My question to you, Aditya, is what was the end result of that 148 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,040 shot? What did that shot end up 149 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,800 causing? Or it caused something? 150 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,240 Major when was this? This was 1987. 151 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,920 OK, the reason, I'll just give you a clue about the context of 152 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,559 why I decided to break out this particular piece of trivia 153 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,679 because for those who are listening, we are recording this 154 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:42,360 in the aftermath of the limited, so far limited India, Pakistan 155 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,320 conflict, which is currently in a ceasefire. 156 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,640 I don't know what the situation is when you're listening to 157 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,520 this, but as of right now, hey, ceasefire, peace reigns. 158 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:54,120 But I decided to break this out because of that. 159 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:59,040 Somewhat related in a very tangential. 160 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,480 Way what was the shot called? It was a slice. 161 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,240 No, that's just a piece of added information. 162 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:06,680 It's not going to give you anything more. 163 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,240 And the year was 1987, is it? 1987 Yes. 164 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,400 I'll give you another clue. It led to a Rube Goldberg esque 165 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,360 series of events. No idea. 166 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,560 I have absolutely no idea. OK, so let me just give you this 167 00:09:22,560 --> 00:09:26,520 another clue. He was playing golf right next 168 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,560 to one of the national airfields of the country of Benin. 169 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,360 In Africa. Yes. 170 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,720 Does it have something to do with the India Pakistan issue or 171 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,720 is that not? That's reason. 172 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,480 I mean, like, you know how my brain works, right? 173 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,320 Goes on a tangent sometimes. So, OK, the the thing that kind 174 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,360 of sparked this, because I've had this in my pocket for some 175 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,040 time. I heard it a long, long time ago 176 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,400 on No Such Thing as a Fish. But I read a New York Times 177 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:00,480 article about satellite images of the actual damage that has 178 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,640 happened in the air wars that happened between India and 179 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:09,760 Pakistan and how India did most of the damage as according to 180 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,320 satellite images and things like that. 181 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,680 And that kind of sparked this in my head. 182 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,000 And then I also saw one of the press conferences of the 183 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,000 Pakistani air chief trying to answer questions from a 184 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,280 journalist. All of that together just 185 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:25,360 sparked. And I don't know if it's going 186 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:30,680 to spark anything for you but Matthew Boyer 1987, playing golf 187 00:10:30,680 --> 00:10:34,000 next to a national airfield of the country of Benin. 188 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,800 OK, so I as far as I know, I don't think India or Pakistan 189 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,800 have any. No, no, it's nothing to do with 190 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,280 India or Pakistan to do with it. It's just that something OK, 191 00:10:44,680 --> 00:10:46,520 People are just screaming at the radio right now. 192 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,600 This guy is nuts. This this question is useless. 193 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:51,840 I love how you assume that people are listening to us on 194 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:57,520 radio, but because my initial thought was that did have 195 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,840 anything to do with India, Pakistan directly, but I assume 196 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,320 that isn't the case. Which leads me to the next 197 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,960 possibility that it has something to do with the aerial 198 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,880 conflict. And did did this spark some sort 199 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,360 of skirmish? Border skirmish with Benin and 200 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,760 its neighbor. No it did not. 201 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,440 OK. But it did lead to a huge loss 202 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:24,560 to Benin. Did this short knock down some 203 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:27,160 radar or some some sort of equipment? 204 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,800 Oh, very close. OK, so knock down this. 205 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,240 OK, I'll give you the first step. 206 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,360 I'll tell you what the ball hit. OK. 207 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:40,800 So he teed off or whatever the term is and he sliced off maybe, 208 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:45,560 I don't know if that's a term, and the ball flew over and hit a 209 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:50,120 bird. And the bird then ended up 210 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,400 hitting a plane. There was a bird strike, the 211 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,760 plane crashed, something like that. 212 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:56,520 Oh, very good. Very good. 213 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,120 I'll give you this is this is the exactly So this is 1 of this 214 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:00,320 is the fun. One of the funniest stories 215 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,120 ever. Mr. Matthew Boyer playing golf, 216 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,480 poor fellow. 1987 hits the ball. Ball hits a bird. 217 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,520 Bird drops onto the windshield of a trainer jet whose pilot was 218 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,440 taxiing into position for take off. 219 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,800 Pilot loses control of his plane and plows into four shiny Mirage 220 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,240 jets, totally demolishing the entire Air Force of Benin. 221 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,560 Oh, that's that's unfortunate. Wait, is this real? 222 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,040 So Boya was jailed immediately for hooliganism, and his 223 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,200 attorney said he had no chance of winning a trial. 224 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,720 The country wanted Boya to pay $40 million to replace The Jets. 225 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,040 Since Boya only made $275 per year, he figured it would take 226 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,120 145,000 years to pay off his debt to society. 227 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:49,400 The News made a few papers in Africa and France in 1987 and 228 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,520 was also reported in Golf Digest magazine in 1988. 229 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,360 This is ridiculous. OK, alright. 230 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,520 This is where I have to put a damper on things. 231 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,080 I first heard about this, as I mentioned, on no such thing as a 232 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,800 fish. They mentioned it as a fact, but 233 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,160 after some a little detailed research, which means I 234 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,440 Wikipedia did it apparently turns out that this is not true 235 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,840 because the Benin Air Force never operated Mirage or any 236 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,200 other combat aircraft. Oh man, OK. 237 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,600 But it's a fantastic story. It is a fun story. 238 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,960 It's an urban legend, and my hope is that by perpetuating a 239 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,360 little bit of that legend that it stays alive. 240 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:30,840 So maybe 50 years from now, nobody will remember if Benin 241 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:32,880 ever had any Mirage jets. They'll just think like, oh, 242 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,960 Benin's entire Air Force way. I think there was a lawmaker 243 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,600 from Benin who once said Benin does have fighter aircraft, 244 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:39,800 which isn't. None of them work. 245 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,200 OK, well, that's a little sad. Yeah, some lawmaker from Benin 246 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,400 accepted that to be the case. Yeah, apparently, yes. 247 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,280 Fun question though, and I'm kind of not sure if I should be 248 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,720 proud of it, but we are perpetuating urban legends. 249 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,920 We're storytellers. All trivia nerds are 250 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,120 storytellers. It's just that we sell true 251 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,320 story, so once in a while let's perpetuate something which is 252 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,320 not strictly true. Some WhatsApp University stuff 253 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:14,680 once in a while. OK, actually WhatsApp University 254 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:17,680 is a very weird segue into this. Potentially going to get me 255 00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:22,560 cancelled. Oh I love those questions so. 256 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:27,080 This question, as WhatsApp University forwards usually 257 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,440 claim, has to do with the world records. 258 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,640 Let me guess, UNESCO? Exactly, that is the vibe of 259 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,120 this whole thing. OK. 260 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,120 In the case of India, of course, it is very often things to do 261 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,000 with our great heritage and culture. 262 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:42,920 Our national anthem has been declared. 263 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,640 Our national anthem is apparently. 264 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,520 Best national anthem of all National anthem. 265 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,840 I wonder who is sitting and voting on national anthems 266 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,640 because I honestly apart from my own national anthem I have never 267 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,000 really paid attention to other countries national anthems. 268 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,480 Exactly. No, it would make sense that 269 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,200 India would win because if you would be voting only for your 270 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,840 own national anthem, that's true, Then India and China are 271 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,640 the only two options to win. Fair enough. 272 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,720 OK, so this one is entirely Again, we are going off of 273 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,600 Wikipedia, so let's keep our fingers crossed that Wikipedia 274 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:20,400 has got its information correct. I want you to tell me what are 275 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,160 the three largest temples in the world. 276 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:29,240 OK, first question, by temple do you mean Hindu temple? 277 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,320 Because there are other forms of worship which also have temples. 278 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:37,480 Very, very well caught. I'll have to accept the fact 279 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,840 that I was trying to get you there on a technicality. 280 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,000 Oh, thank God. By temple I mean something which 281 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,000 would be almost universally, because temple can be any place 282 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,920 of worship also in some definitions. 283 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,360 But in this case, I'm something that would be almost universally 284 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,480 called a temple, not necessarily just a Hindu temple. 285 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,400 OK. I doubt anybody in the world is 286 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,600 calling a church a temple or a mosque a temple. 287 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,240 No, but I think certain Jewish places they do call them temple 288 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,560 once in a while if I'm not mistaken. 289 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,960 You're right. Yes, they they do call it 290 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,840 temple. But in this case let's just say 291 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,400 Hindu or Hindu adjacent temple so. 292 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,880 OK, so the top 2 come to mind quite easily. 293 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:18,400 One would be Anchor. What? 294 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,000 Oh, very nice. Yeah. 295 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,720 So that is usually described as a Hindu Buddhist temple. 296 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:24,880 Yeah, my brother. For those who don't know, my 297 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,400 brother-in-law is in Cambodia, so. 298 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:28,720 Oh, I did not know that. OK. 299 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:30,480 Oh yeah. So he's in Cambodia. 300 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,880 So then my in laws had visited and they were telling me how 301 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:35,840 it's a huge Hindu temple and whatnot. 302 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,400 Anyway, original Hindu temple. Now I think it's Buddhist. 303 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:46,440 Yeah, so that's one. And the second one was, I think 304 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,600 there's the Akshardham temple in New Jersey, which was just, I 305 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,560 mean, like fairly recently inaugurated, which was supposed 306 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,920 to be the biggest temple right now. 307 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,400 And prior to that, I think there was a temple in Tamil Nadu 308 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,760 somewhere. And I think also that the 309 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,880 Akshardham temple on the border between Delhi and UP is also 310 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:09,680 pretty huge. So I'm guessing these 3 or 4? 311 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,359 Yeah, so I I assumed you would know Uncle, what is the second 312 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,440 one that I was hoping to also get you on, but. 313 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,880 No, no, no, no. Vineet is ungettable. 314 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,160 Yes you're right. This is the BAPS. 315 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:24,920 Or is it BAPS? I don't know how it's pronounced 316 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,640 but baps for this episodes purpose. 317 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:34,120 Swaminarayan Akshardham in Robbinsville, NJ is a 74 hectare 318 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:39,320 Hindu Mandir temple complex that was inaugurated on October 8th, 319 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,080 2023. It's a recent one I remember. 320 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,280 Year and a half ago and it is considered the world's second 321 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,160 largest Hindu temple. It is huge. 322 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,480 I remember thinking, because I think the the tagline in the 323 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,840 newspapers and the news at the time was it was, it's the 324 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,160 largest temple in the world, right? 325 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,520 That's what they were, you know, advertising it as. 326 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,640 And I remember thinking at the time, I know that there are a 327 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,560 lot of people in New Jersey, but are there enough people in New 328 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,200 Jersey that Hindu people in New Jersey that you would want such 329 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,440 a huge temple there? Maybe. 330 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,400 Maybe it's a drive to increase tourism. 331 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,480 Maybe some Hindu tourists would want to go visit the largest or 332 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,400 second largest, depending on how you can see it. 333 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,960 Temple in the world. Yeah, I was. 334 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,480 I was very surprised. Because I visited the Akshardham 335 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:32,560 temple, the Swaminarayan temple in Delhi, and it's a, it's a 336 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,800 pretty great experience. I think they accept people of 337 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,440 all faiths. You don't just have to be of the 338 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,560 Hindu faith to get in, but you have to be willing to stand in 339 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,720 line and you have to be willing to undergo some pretty invasive 340 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,880 security checks before you go in. 341 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:49,480 But once you do get in, it's pretty cool. 342 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,120 Literally in the heat of Delhi, the marble and everything, it's 343 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:58,240 pretty cool in a literal sense. As in a metaphorical sense. 344 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,840 I think that was also quite big, right? 345 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,360 It was it was one of the biggest when it was constructed, the one 346 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:07,480 in Delhi as well. Maybe one of the bigger ones. 347 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,280 Yeah, I had a similar experience in the Lotus Temple in Delhi 348 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,760 also, where I remember just being cool, quite literally. 349 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,000 Also just a cooling sort of effect, maybe because of the 350 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,080 construction of the architecture and just a lovely cool 351 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,480 experience metaphorically. So yeah, some nice temples in 352 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:23,960 Delhi. But you were right. 353 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,560 The third on the list, by the way, is the one in India. 354 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,880 So technically the third largest temple in the world is in India. 355 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,680 The 1st 2 are outside of India. The third one which you said 356 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,400 over in Tamil Nadu which is in Tiruchirapalli is Sri 357 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,160 Ranganathaswamy temple. Ranganathaswamy. 358 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,720 OK, that's Mahaveshwara temple. Have you visited? 359 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,160 Yes, I have. OK. 360 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:50,480 And it is considered to be the largest religious complex in the 361 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,720 world in active worship with a continuous historical presence. 362 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,560 OK, that's a lot of qualifiers, but yeah. 363 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,520 Yeah, a few caveats and qualifiers, but still, it has 364 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:05,040 some sort of standing in claiming the largest temple in 365 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,120 the world. Apparently, if I remember 366 00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:10,040 correctly, it's one of the few temples standing today which 367 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:14,440 have a mention in the Ramayana. Apparently it's mentioned in the 368 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,640 Ramayana is what I'm told. When you go for these kind of 369 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,120 visits, temple visits, there are always these small bookstores 370 00:20:20,120 --> 00:20:21,480 outside. Right. 371 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,440 Small bookstores which sell, you know, devotional hymns and 372 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,120 things which have written down. I remember buying one of those. 373 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,560 Interestingly enough, by the way #4 is also in India, This is in 374 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,320 Vellore, this is the Sri Lakshmi Narayani Devi temple. 375 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,400 OK, OK. I've not been, but I know of it, 376 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,680 yes. The fifth one is not in India. 377 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,680 Again, do you want to take a guess as to where the fifth one 378 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:49,320 is? Fifth one, is it there is a 379 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,720 Subramanya temple, that's a big Subramanya temple in Singapore, 380 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:52,480 right? Is it one of? 381 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,320 Is that? I don't think so, No, no. 382 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:03,200 Outside India, Nepal by percentage highest Hindu 383 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,640 population in the world. Yeah, decent guests, but no not 384 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,680 it is in the top ten. There is one of one of the 385 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:15,840 temples in top 10 is in Nepal. OK, the other I mean like I'm 386 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,160 trying to think of huge Hindu diaspora. 387 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,280 What? Simply Singapore? 388 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,160 Malaysia is what comes to mind like. 389 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,240 Historically large diaspora. Yeah. 390 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:33,800 So otherwise, oh, maybe it's one of the other ones like Fiji or 391 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,320 no Guyana or something like that. 392 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,080 No wait, Surinam I think also has a huge Hindu population, 393 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:39,880 right? All right. 394 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,120 No, no, you're not close right now. 395 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,680 It's in Asia. OK, that last clue will take you 396 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:44,840 there. If not, I'll give you the 397 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,800 answer. Asia. 398 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,240 Is it an active temple or is it like a historical one? 399 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:50,960 Like Anchor? What? 400 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,520 I would say it is a historical temple. 401 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,200 I'm not sure if they still have active worship happening there. 402 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,160 OK, so could it be one of those? I was thinking of the Bamiyan 403 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,360 Buddhas in Afghanistan. So then that's not. 404 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,240 No. Sri Lanka. 405 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:08,960 No. OK, I'll give you the answer. 406 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,960 This is in Indonesia. Oh yeah. 407 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,960 I mean, like, yeah, Indonesia does have a yes, they they have 408 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:21,120 a Ganesha on their currency. And the mascot of the Indonesian 409 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,800 spy espionage service is Hanuman. 410 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:26,280 Oh. Oh, wow. 411 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,240 OK, yeah. Trivia. 412 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:29,680 I did not know. Very cool. 413 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,880 This particular temple is in Yogi Karta. 414 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,480 Yogi Karta? I think it's pronounced. 415 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,720 OK, so that's Java I think. In Southern Java exactly and it 416 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,920 is dedicated to the Trimurti, so Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh. 417 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,760 OK and so in the top five. Three of the temples are not in 418 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,480 India. OK, so advance pop culture 419 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,840 recommendation is God's Guns and Missionaries. 420 00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:58,520 It's the latest book by Manu Espalay, who is a historian and 421 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,760 author. I loved his book called The 422 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,240 Ivory Throne, which was about the royal family of Travancore, 423 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,080 and he's released a few others as well, which are quite 424 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,960 interesting. He makes for some very 425 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,440 interesting reading. God's Guns and Missionaries are 426 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,000 the reason I'm putting it in this context. 427 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,480 Is it goes quite into depth about how the modern Hindu 428 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,040 identity was shaped by colonialism. 429 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,280 He's not talking about the actual the points of faith. 430 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,720 We are not talking about the gods themselves or the Puranas 431 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,480 themselves or whatever, but how Hinduism took shape or the how 432 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,880 the modern Hindu faith was affected by colonial forces and 433 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,560 the powers and things that came through. 434 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,400 And an additional point, an additional reason why everybody 435 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:49,000 should be looking at Manu Pillai's book is because Manu is 436 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,360 a doppelganger for Aditya. Like you put Aditya in a pair of 437 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:55,800 glasses and they look pretty similar. 438 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,600 At least I think they look pretty similar. 439 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,600 They are both very lean, both have a very similar side of 440 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,680 beard and very lean facial features and whatnot. 441 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,560 So you should be flattered. Manu Pillai is a brilliant man, 442 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,040 so. I actually have heard about this 443 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:09,960 book. I've not read it yet. 444 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,160 He was on, I believe, Amit Verma's podcast Scene and 445 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,720 Unseen, which I've recommended in the past. 446 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,880 Oh, OK, OK. And think he was talking about 447 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,160 the book as well. And one of the things that stuck 448 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,640 with me, a lot of wonderful things that he shared, I'm sure 449 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,680 a bunch of it in the book as well, where he talked about how 450 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,280 the word Hindu, the definition itself, has changed so much over 451 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:29,760 time. Yes. 452 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,880 And at some point it used to only include the upper caste 453 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,920 people, not necessarily people from lower caste and scheduled 454 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:38,560 caste. Yeah. 455 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,080 Yes, Savarna and Avarna. Yes, yes, yes. 456 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,080 He mentions that in the book. Yeah. 457 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:45,720 I think that that points also been made by Shashi Tharoora in 458 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,960 the past, that rather than a very structural framework that 459 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,080 we see for Abrahamic religion. Abrahamic religion. 460 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,480 Yeah, Hinduism little more open source I think is the 461 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,840 terminology that would become where we adapt faiths because I 462 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,440 think this again, I'm this is not to just get cancelled. 463 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,320 It's just that I, I'm plumbing this from the depths of my 464 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,840 memory is that when I was a very small kid and my grandmother was 465 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,360 teaching me the Dashavatar right, she would always include. 466 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:22,080 So when it came to the final few, it was always Rama, 467 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:26,160 Balarama, Krishna and Kalki. So no Buddha. 468 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,200 Yes, So that was it. There was no Buddha. 469 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,200 I mean like, I don't remember anything about Buddha, but then 470 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,280 a few years later when I went past the stage of, you know, 471 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,280 this and trying to read things for myself, lo and behold, the 472 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,600 Buddha appears, which I've always found a little weird. 473 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,880 Right. No, it's interesting, right. 474 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,400 I think anything that ancient, any, any, any organization 475 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:57,760 entity, whatever you might want to call it, a religion synonym 476 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,560 that you can think of will have multiple variations, will have 477 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:06,680 changed something as old tradition dependent as as the 478 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,320 Indian culture was for the longest time. 479 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,800 It is bound to change over time. It is bound to have variations. 480 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,600 So yeah, this whole dash avatar, in some versions it includes 481 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,200 Gautam Buddh, in some it doesn't, is something that I've 482 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,720 read also. Yeah, yeah, you're right. 483 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,960 No, so that's what I'm I'm interested to know who it was 484 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,960 maybe 200 years prior, right. If we can get our hands on some 485 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,640 book or something from 200 years prior to that or prior to the 486 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,320 Buddha who was considered in the Dash avatar, it would be pretty 487 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,560 interesting to. And he also makes a point of the 488 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,600 Kalyuga that lot of the bad things happen in the Kalyuga. 489 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,440 So these are things that we have to deal with. 490 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,240 So similarly, the kind of adaptation that the Hindu faith 491 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,760 has gone through through these past Cup 200 something years is 492 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,960 also related to the Kalyuga that that particular concept allows 493 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,960 for that adaptation to take place. 494 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,680 Right, right, right. Also reminds you of the fact 495 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,760 that there are so many versions of the Ramayan as well, which is 496 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,400 also pretty fascinating, which is also very interesting. 497 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,360 And I remember watching a play and this is again, probably on 498 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:09,560 the on the cusp of, of getting cancelled. 499 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,120 This play was about this version of Ramayan where Ravan has come 500 00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:18,680 to to abduct Sita and he is reconsidering it and he's 501 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,360 wondering if he should actually do it or not. 502 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,240 And Sita gets really upset and annoyed and she's like, you have 503 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,520 to abduct me. Otherwise the Ramayan doesn't 504 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,400 complete. Otherwise, how does my husband 505 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,800 prove himself to be the greatest man ever or whatever? 506 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,640 OK, cool piece of trivia related to religion and history there. 507 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,080 And let's move on to the next question that you have for me, 508 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,720 Vineet. OK, so talking about religion 509 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,800 and history, have you heard of Saint Clair of Assisi? 510 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:51,680 No. OK, I would be very surprised if 511 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,800 you had. Saint Clair of Assisi is widely 512 00:27:54,800 --> 00:28:00,560 known as the patron St. of X. Sore eyes and embroidery. 513 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,600 OK. My question too is what is X? 514 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,520 What is she the patron St. of? What is the name again? 515 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:12,920 Saint Clair of Assisi. Assisi Yes. 516 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,840 Again, the name doesn't help. Assisi doesn't help. 517 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,280 What are the other two things that you told me about the 518 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,880 patron St. of? Sore eyes and embroidery. 519 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,000 No connection at all. Soul eyes and embroidery. 520 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,200 Maybe you're looking to close when you're. 521 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,080 No, I'm just making random connections. 522 00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:34,640 I'll just tell you a little bit about her, OK? 523 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,680 Her original, her actual name was Chiara of Reduccio. 524 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,280 She was known as Claire of Assisi. 525 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,080 She was an Italian St. who was one of the first followers of 526 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:49,040 Saint Francis of Assisi. Inspired by the teachings of 527 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,760 Saint Francis, she founded the Order of Poor Ladies, which is a 528 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,240 monastic religious orders for women in the Franciscan 529 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,880 tradition. It was different from any other 530 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,480 order or convent because it followed this rule of strict 531 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,440 poverty. She lived between 1194 and 532 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:09,600 12:53. No, yeah, no idea. 533 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:16,200 OK, I will tell you the miraculous thing that happened 534 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:21,640 in her life which caused her to be declared as the patron St. of 535 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:27,560 so and so of X OK. In her later years, when ill and 536 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,720 unable to attend Mass, Saint Clair reportedly experienced a 537 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,120 vision where she could see and hear the Mass being celebrated 538 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,520 in her room. So Mass was being held in the 539 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,800 church, main church somewhere else, but she was too ill and 540 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,040 she was in her room and she had a vision of that same mass 541 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,280 happening in her room that led to her being declared as the 542 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,400 patron St. of something. Again, I feel like in this 543 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,240 episode we are bordering on getting cancelled again and 544 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,040 again. Is it the patron state of 545 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,520 hallucinations? No, not hallucinations. 546 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:08,440 OK, Patron St. of. I'll give you 2 more dates. 547 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:14,440 OK, so Saint Clair was declared to be a St., or rather, she was 548 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:21,000 beatified or canonized in 1255. OK, back then. 1255 by Pope 549 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:27,400 Alexander the 4th, but she was declared as the patron St. of X 550 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,120 in 1958. Very recently, in 1950. 551 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,400 Eight, yes. So there's a 700, almost a 607 552 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,040 hundred year gap between her canonization and her being 553 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:45,160 declared as the patron St. of X. 1958 hearing things are there 554 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,360 like something like radio? Oh, a little. 555 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,320 Late for radio? Very close. 556 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,760 Very close. 1950s would be television. 557 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,160 Yes, Saint Clair of Assisi is the patron St. of television. 558 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,320 Discuss. She could hear the mass 559 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,760 happening in another. Room OK, don't don't mock her 560 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,280 religious experience. Sorry, sorry, you know what, I'm 561 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,320 just going to get cancelled so hard in this episode. 562 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,360 But yes, OK, fair, so that that, but that is so strange to me. 563 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,360 Wouldn't it make sense to to make somebody more recent as the 564 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,840 patron St. for? OK, I have something to say 565 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,840 about that, but let me just complete this first. 566 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,280 OK. So Pope Pius the 12th designated 567 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:32,080 her as the patron St. of 1958, probably because of this thing 568 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:38,800 where she viewed she had a vision of the Mass happening as 569 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,960 and when it was happening in real time. 570 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,520 So it's like television, like literally television. 571 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,000 You know, the Mass is happening somewhere else. 572 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,640 She's seeing it live in her room. 573 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,880 So obviously she'd be more apartment as the patron St. of 574 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,040 television. Now you mentioned that wouldn't 575 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,840 make sense to have someone new or someone. 576 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,680 Someone who's interacted with the television has seen a 577 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,760 television and then whatever, something along those lines. 578 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,240 Yes. So there's something that's 579 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,480 going on right now that would give value to the words that you 580 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,960 said, because do you know who's going to be, or at least who's 581 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,120 currently popularly called the patron St. of the Internet? 582 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,880 Axo no, I have no idea. No. 583 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,320 Well, that would make sense. But no. 584 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,000 The patron St. of the Internet was originally designated by 585 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,880 John Paul the Second that was supposed to be St. 586 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,440 Isidor of Seville, who lived in the 6th and 7th centuries and 587 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,760 was known for his extensive writing and encyclopedic 588 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,600 knowledge. So because of that, Pope John 589 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,920 Paul the Second designated him as the patent service interest. 590 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:47,040 However, blessed Carlo Acutis who was an Italian teenager who 591 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,560 was beatified in 2020. He was born in 1991 and was 592 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,480 known for the deep love of the Holy Eucharist and his use of 593 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,200 technology to communicate his faith. 594 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,880 He is currently being dubbed as the patron St. of the Internet 595 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,520 and will probably be the first Millennial St. 596 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,720 His beatification process is happening on the way right now 597 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,920 and would probably be completed by 2025. 598 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,200 Very cool. So currently he's not St. 599 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,120 Carlo Acutis, he is the Blessed Carlo Acutis. 600 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,440 That is pretty cool. That is a neat piece of trivia. 601 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,200 Say. OK, again, I have no idea how 602 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,960 this works. I have no idea how they declare 603 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,200 patent St. of anything. I would imagine that that person 604 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,760 has had something to do with the thing that there are patronage 605 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,760 of. As I understand it, a patron St. 606 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,760 can be like those are declared by popes. 607 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,200 Like popes can designate Saints or blessed individuals as the 608 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,000 patron Saints of somebody so that they would act as 609 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,560 interlocutors for prayers to God for particular things. 610 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,440 Funnily enough, even the Archangel Gabriel is also 611 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,480 considered to be a patron of the Internet because he's one of the 612 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,920 communicators of God. Like fast communication, Fat 613 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,760 fat. Sure, I guess. 614 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,160 I don't know. I'm yeah not not a religion I'm 615 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,360 very familiar with, so I'm not sure about the intricacies of 616 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,680 it, but hey, good for good for Saint Clair of Assisi. 617 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,520 Still relevant I guess. And Carlo Acutis was born in 618 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:14,960 1991 and died at the age of 15. Oh, OK, wait, so so this person 619 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,159 is no longer with us. The person has passed away. 620 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:18,960 That's what. You can't be a St. while you're 621 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,600 still alive. Right. 622 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:21,440 That's true. That's true. 623 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,760 Science are declared after your death. 624 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,320 So he died at the age of 15, but his interest in using digital 625 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,880 communication was what is actually leading to people 626 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,679 calling him the patron St. of the Internet. 627 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,719 Yeah, that makes sense. He died of leukemia by the age 628 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:41,120 of 15. Unfortunate, but interesting 629 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,000 nonetheless. All right, on that note of 630 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,120 again, a religious question, I will ask you something that I 631 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,719 feel you have a religious passion for. 632 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,360 OK, that always worries me. Such a weird segue. 633 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,720 OK. Have you as a somebody who's 634 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:04,880 into typography and design, have you visited the website Ironic 635 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,600 Sands? Ironic Sands, No, I've not. 636 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,520 OK, again, this is the first time that I came across it for 637 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,120 this particular piece of trivia, but it seems like it was at 638 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,160 least popular in the last decade. 639 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,080 It was some sort of a blog, and something that came up on this 640 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:25,680 blog entered the lexicon for typography, at least to some 641 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:26,560 level. OK. 642 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,360 Do you know what is the term that is used to describe the 643 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:37,120 result of improper kerning? OK, Kerning is a space that you 644 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,200 get between letters. So the space we will add between 645 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,240 letters is cunning. If you don't do that well, 646 00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:46,760 letters can appear very, very weird and very, very odd. 647 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,800 Improperly curled letters in properly curled words. 648 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,520 There's a term for that, and that came from ironic sciences, 649 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,960 what you're saying? Yeah, the blog Ironic Science. 650 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,480 But it has since then has had a life of its own, That particular 651 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:08,400 word. OK, I don't know. 652 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,760 I mean like yes, you'll have to give me as a clue for this. 653 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,480 All right, well, because this is are you quizzing me? 654 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,280 And I don't ask trivial unless it tickles something inside of 655 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,320 me. OK. 656 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,280 The fact that it is to do with the result of improper kerning 657 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,360 OK is very evident in the name itself. 658 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,120 It's obvious in the name of it, of the naming of the word. 659 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,400 Rather, the word itself makes it very obvious that there is 660 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,480 improper kerning. The word makes it obvious that 661 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,720 there is improper cunning. OK, listen, let's attack this 662 00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:44,320 logically. If you're talking about 663 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:50,240 excessive space, then that would make sense because the word 664 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:52,800 would still remain the word, it will just look ugly. 665 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,560 If you have too little space, then words would come together, 666 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,800 letters would come together, which would make it difficult to 667 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:08,800 read. OK, so, but there are a lot of 668 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,880 combinations which can lead to that. 669 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,160 OK, one more hint. OK. 670 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,760 OK. The word in question is derived 671 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:23,720 from the word kerning. OK yeah oh if you have improper 672 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:28,640 kerning between an R and an N, it can appear as an M if you are 673 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:34,320 using a sans set of script. So it would be cheming. 674 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,560 Very correct, Sir. Keming is the word used to 675 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:46,440 describe improper kerning. Oh, that's, that's clever, 676 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,160 that's clever. That's very clever. 677 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:53,200 Sir David Friedman is the author of this blog Ironic Sands. 678 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,320 I don't know how popular the blog itself was, but this word 679 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,000 became very popular. Since he came up with this word, 680 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,920 it made its way into textbooks or Google Easter eggs and other 681 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,360 places. So OK, nice. 682 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,800 It had a life of its own, nice and cheming, as Vineeth very 683 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,200 aptly described, is what would appear if there was improper 684 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,880 kerning in the word kerning itself, because R&N would be 685 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,240 very close together, which would maybe look like an M. 686 00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:17,760 You know it would. It would look like a kerning. 687 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,720 Becomes cheming. Kerning is one of the most 688 00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:24,120 important things, but I found mostly that especially in India, 689 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,720 you find words with improper kerning where you have too much 690 00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:30,680 space between the writers, right? 691 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,600 In this case it is too less space. 692 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,560 Or sometimes it's not just the space itself, it's how much 693 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,120 space is perceived between the letters. 694 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,400 That's true. We have spoken about this in 695 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,440 another episode, yes. Yes, yes. 696 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,320 So go listen to that episode now. 697 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,160 Yes. Oh, by the way, just another 698 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,480 geeky typography fact. Another word for cunning is 699 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,200 more. Teasing. 700 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,200 More teasing. Very cool, very cool. 701 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,800 Yes, stop more teasing. Me and Vineet give me your last 702 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:04,760 question. Oh God. 703 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,760 OK, so the last question for today is as follows. 704 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,680 This film started out as a follow up to Space Jam, which 705 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,400 was released in 1996. It was going to be called Spy 706 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,960 Jam and was initially going to star Jackie Chan. 707 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,240 When that particular version failed to get off the ground, 708 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:28,520 the movie was reimagined and ended up starring X, who played 709 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,400 a stuntman who hated working with X, so he played a meta 710 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,480 version of himself who hated working with himself. 711 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,440 X gave up the opportunity to star in the sequel to his 712 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,400 breakout movie. Why? 713 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,840 X the character. X the actor. 714 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:50,800 So does the movie stars the actor X OK, who plays a stuntman 715 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,160 who hated working with the real X? 716 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,640 Got it. Now, X gave up the opportunity 717 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,200 to star in the sequel to his breakout movie. 718 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,280 Why? In order to act in this movie. 719 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,640 During the filming of the movie, X's impression of one particular 720 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:17,040 character, Z was so spot on that he ended up voicing that 721 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,240 character in the movie. Instead of the character's 722 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,880 current voice actor, Jim Cummings. 723 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:29,520 So I want you to identify XY and Z, who's the actor X, which is 724 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,720 the movie Y that he was supposed to act in, or the sequel to 725 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:37,840 which he was supposed to act in, and the character Z, who he 726 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,680 voiced in addition to acting in the movie. 727 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,680 You mentioned that Jack Jan was supposed to be part of what Spy 728 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,320 jam did you say? Yes, it was supposed to be 729 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,840 called Spy Jam. It was supposed to be a follow 730 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,760 up to Space Jam. I don't know if you remember 731 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,320 this movie. I know Space Jam, yes. 732 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,400 Which had the sequel eventually, yeah. 733 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:57,760 Yes, a horrible. One. 734 00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,080 Yeah, apparently it was terrible. 735 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,120 I didn't watch it. Not that Michael Jordan's 736 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,920 original 1 was that great, but I remember buying the merchandise 737 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:11,760 when I was a kid. OK, no idea at all. 738 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,360 Absolutely no idea. OK, I'll give you the name of 739 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,960 the movie. With the movie about the 740 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,960 stuntman was released, that movie is out there. 741 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,080 No, that release that released. So I'll give you the name of the 742 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:26,160 movie which may give you a game. OK, so when Spy Jam failed to 743 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,360 get off the ground, the movie was reimagined and was released 744 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,040 starring X. The name of that movie was 745 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,560 Looney Tunes Back in Action. Oh, that sounds familiar. 746 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:42,240 It starred an actor, X, who played a stuntman who hated 747 00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:47,440 working with the real X. I've I've heard of Lee Newton's 748 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,120 Back in action. Yes. 749 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,440 I must have seen it also. Probably. 750 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,560 Give me some hint, Give me some hint. 751 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,040 I think I'm very close, it's just the back of my head 752 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,680 nibbling. The X had a OK, You've heard of 753 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,640 the term Maconnaissance, right? The Maconnair Renaissance. 754 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,320 Yes, yes. So this person had a similar 755 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:13,040 kind of comeback very recently. Very recently, this person had. 756 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,480 Not very recently. Recently, let's put it that way. 757 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,480 I've reached this age in life where even 5-6 years ago is 758 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,280 still considered very recent for me. 759 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,560 It's in the last five years. Oh, this is Brendan Fraser. 760 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,120 Haha, very good. OK, so Brendan Fraser plays a 761 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,600 stuntman in Looney Tunes Back in Action who hated working with 762 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,560 Brendan Fraser. He was supposed to act in the 763 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,520 sequel to his breakout movie. Why? 764 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,400 Which he decided not to and instead acted in this movie. 765 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,680 So which of his breakout? Which breakout movie sequel are 766 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,240 we? I'm guessing mummy. 767 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,520 No, he acted in the mummy too. Oh Oh yeah, he was in the mummy 768 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,800 too. Yeah, but the The Mummy made him 769 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,480 an action star, but prior to that he was a *. 770 00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,360 Oh, then George at the jungle. Very good. 771 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,200 So it he was supposed to act in a sequel to George at the 772 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,280 Jungle. Now during the filming of this 773 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:09,120 movie he did an impression of one particular character, Z, 774 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,480 which was so spot on that in the movie he ended up voicing the 775 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,760 character instead of the characters long time voice actor 776 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,640 Jim Cummings. OK, this would not. 777 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,240 He was parodying Tarzan and but I'm guessing not Tarzan, right? 778 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,280 No, no, we are talking about lonely tones. 779 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,920 Oh, OK, so not George the Rungel parody. 780 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,480 OK nevermind. In Looney Tunes Back in Action 781 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,480 you voiced the character which is otherwise voiced by another 782 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,480 actor. No, no idea at all. 783 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,680 I I know I probably have seen the film but I just can't recall 784 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,280 some iconic Looney Tunes character then. 785 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,200 Yeah, it is a Looney Tunes character. 786 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,120 Do you? Want me to give my very bad 787 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,880 impression so that you can try and guess? 788 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,720 Oh yes, of course, I want you to give your very well impression. 789 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,600 OK, let me just get myself ready. 790 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,440 Is that the, the, the dog? The the, the really ferocious 791 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,240 dog? Oh, what's his sum? 792 00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:12,920 It's. Not a dog. 793 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,800 It's literally not a dog. It's. 794 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,680 Literally not a dog. Yeah, but looks like a dog. 795 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:20,120 The the, the, the the Tasmanian. Devil. 796 00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:23,200 Very good task. The Tasmanian devil, yes. 797 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,400 Oh, so see, my impression was good enough that you were able 798 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,880 to get it. Yeah, that was a pretty good 799 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,440 impression, yeah. Thank you. 800 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,080 So I do have a follow up question, a little more serious 801 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,560 follow up question, a little more quizzy quizzery follow up 802 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,680 question, nerdy question to the same question. 803 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:43,520 So in the movie in looney tones back in action, there is a spoof 804 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,480 to Psycho like the Alfred Hitchcock classic Psycho where 805 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:53,240 Bugs Bunny pours a grey can of black Hershey's chocolate syrup 806 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,600 down the shower drain while the tune of the murder is heard in 807 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,240 the background. This was a reference to the fact 808 00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:07,560 that Sir Alfred Hitchcock used Bosco's chocolate syrup in the 809 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,840 original scene to simulate blood in black and white. 810 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,800 Yeah, yeah. Why was this particular scene 811 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,320 and this particular reference to chocolate syrup included in the 812 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,480 movie? This is a very deep cut. 813 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,440 I don't expect you to get it, but I just want you to try. 814 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,440 Why? As in like, apart from the fact 815 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,920 that it's just a very iconic scene, there's. 816 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,040 A very meta reference here to the Psycho movie. 817 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,160 Like if you look at the Psycho movie itself, there's a meta 818 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:37,120 reference that you could possibly make out in this. 819 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,240 Something to do with the parallels between the 820 00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:43,080 characters. Bugs Bunny as a parallel to that 821 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:44,440 the. No. 822 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,000 OK, why chocolate self? So the Bugs Bunny pours 823 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,200 chocolate syrup, right? So why did they choose that 824 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,760 particular sequence to spoof in the movie? 825 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,520 I know in in Psycho it was not the first times that you saw a 826 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,120 toilet being flushed. No, All of that is fine. 827 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,240 All of that is fine. Right. 828 00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:02,520 OK, nothing like that. Yes. 829 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,760 So this particular sequence was chosen for a reason. 830 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,520 The chocolate syrup part of it is what is the question here? 831 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:15,880 Yes, that's exactly my question. OK, no idea. 832 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,000 No, no idea. OK, so let me just put it this 833 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,120 way. I'm going to walk you through 834 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,960 and see if you can get to the answer right. 835 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:27,200 Bugs Bunny is pouring down a very obviously labeled Hershey's 836 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,960 Chocolate syrup in a reference to Psycho. 837 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,920 Sure. In the original, Alfred 838 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:39,000 Hitchcock used Bosco's chocolate syrup to simulate blood. 839 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,600 OK. So there's a reciprocal 840 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,400 reference here and I wanted to try and get that. 841 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,560 Hitchcock, Bosco, Bugs Bunny, Hershey's. 842 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,280 What? No, I have no clue. 843 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,680 Did Bugs Bunny get dissed by her? 844 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:55,840 She's at some point? I don't know. 845 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,920 No, no, no, you missed the point a little bit. 846 00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:01,080 But I this is going to be very deep cut. 847 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,680 I don't expect anybody to get this. 848 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,200 If anyone in our audience has got it, kudos to you because I 849 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,520 made this very confusing. So the for the meta reference 850 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,000 here is Bosco's chocolate syrup. OK. 851 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,040 Because not many people know that the very first loony tone 852 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,560 was Bosco, a character called Bosco who was supposed to be a 853 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,400 Negro boy. He was the first recurring 854 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,480 character in Leon Schlesinger's cartoon series and was the star 855 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,720 of 39 Looney tone shots released by the Warner Brothers in the 856 00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:35,320 1920s and 30s. Very interesting. 857 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,320 I think his last appearance was in the late 30s. 858 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,240 After that, he's never appeared, except for once in 1990, because 859 00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:44,320 it's a very regressive cartoon. Problematic cartoon. 860 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,840 OK, very interesting. Bosco was the first Looney Toon 861 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,840 and Alfred Hitchcock uses Bosco chocolate syrup, so they 862 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,280 lampolled that particular sequence in Luna Tones Back in 863 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,880 Action, where Bugs uses Hershey's chocolate syrup. 864 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,880 Really nice if you use like Alfred's chocolate syrup if 865 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,520 there was any brand called Alfred syrup. 866 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,480 Yeah, but I don't think Alfred's chocolate syrup is something 867 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,080 people would like. OK, very cool, very interesting. 868 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,080 That is. That is pretty cool. 869 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,840 Wouldn't have gotten it at all, but definitely ATIL for me. 870 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,200 Yeah, OK. So that's I think all the time 871 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,000 we have for our regular round of questions. 872 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,400 So before we will start winding up, there is the matter of the 873 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,600 audience question which I had asked at the beginning of 874 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,600 today's episode and the answer to which I will reveal once 875 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,240 Aditya has had his turn. The question was what term is 876 00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:37,920 used in French cuisine to denote a dish with a base of spinach? 877 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,080 Not to be confused with the very pretty looking southern European 878 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,800 city or the restaurant which serves the best chicken caffriol 879 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:50,160 in Goa. I don't know about the Goa 880 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,520 restaurant. A pretty looking South American 881 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,800 city, did you say? Southern European city. 882 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,400 Southern European city. Southern Europe. 883 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,640 Nice. Is it something I'm thinking of? 884 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,800 French city. No, not French. 885 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:12,040 Oh, not a French city. OK, OK, no, no idea. 886 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:13,720 Too many. Too many options, too many 887 00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:17,440 potential answers. OK, so the it's actually a more 888 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:22,080 descriptive term to get to the city, but still the answer is 889 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,240 Florentine. Oh, so does it have something to 890 00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:27,440 do with Florence? No, it doesn't. 891 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,960 That's what I'm saying. OK, so the name for the in 892 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,920 French cuisine for a dish with the base of spinach is 893 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,200 Florentine, but it has nothing to do with the city. 894 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,680 So that's a descriptive sum for Florence. 895 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,360 OK. Right, but here it's a term for 896 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,360 any dish which is used with the base of spinach. 897 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,880 Chicken Florentine. I've had a chicken Florentine. 898 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,120 Yeah, I have had chicken Florentine. 899 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,520 Yes, which has spinach. If you're ever in Goa, there's a 900 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,520 bar and restaurant by the name of Florentine in Saligal which 901 00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:00,200 serves, and I will fight you on this, the best chicken Cafrillal 902 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:01,720 in Goa. I will. 903 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,800 I will believe. You so much so that you don't 904 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,400 even have to order the item. You just go and say go in there 905 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,440 and say 1/2 and two boys. That's it. 906 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,080 You have to have it with the traditional poi bread which you 907 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:16,040 get, not the pow, the poi bread that you get and pass for a 908 00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,080 little extra gravy. They give you the little extra 909 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:23,600 gravy and ask them to cut up the pieces and it is have it on a 910 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,880 plate. Well, I miss Goa right now. 911 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,560 That is a very neat segue into a recommendation segment, So thank 912 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,480 you for that recommendation. Yes, food recommendations are 913 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,680 are the best sort of recommendations in my opinion. 914 00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,160 But since we do other pop culture recommendations as well, 915 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,800 let me just recall what all we have already recommended. 916 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,600 And the first one was the Manipulate book. 917 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,040 Yes, God's guns and missionaries. 918 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,480 God's Guns and Missionaries and what else would you recommend? 919 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,200 Vineet, What are the pop culture recommendations you have? 920 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:56,200 So I have two recommendations. This week 1 is a show that I saw 921 00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:02,720 on I think it was Geo Hotstar. It's called Presumed Innocent. 922 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,120 OK. It's basically based of a very 923 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,920 old novel. By very old I mean the 80s by 924 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,800 Scott Taro, and I have watched a movie about the same thing. 925 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:19,480 It was, I think, a 1990s film. I saw it way back when starring 926 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,480 Harrison Ford. But this particular one changes 927 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,680 the ending a little bit and it was a nail biter. 928 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:32,080 It's a definite watch starring the very, very dependable Jake 929 00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,360 Ellenhall. I think that's how we pronounce 930 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:35,680 his name. Ellenhall. 931 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,600 Ellenhall, Ellenhall, Ellenhall. That's one. 932 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,560 And the second recommendation is a show called Shard Lake. 933 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,160 Have you heard of Shard Lake? I have not. 934 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:53,600 So Shard Lake is a detective mystery series set in, I think 935 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,560 the correct term is, during the time of Thomas of Cromwell and 936 00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,280 Henry the Eighth. So during that time, it sets 937 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,760 during the reign of Henry the Eighth. 938 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,480 So it's based off a series of novels by CJ Samson and Shard 939 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,160 Lake. The character Matthew Shard Lake 940 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:12,320 is a lawyer who has a hunchback, so he's known as Crookback in 941 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,680 the books and what not. He acts as a lawyer and as a 942 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,920 detective and the stories are positioned within real 943 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,440 historical events with real historical consequences and 944 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,880 things like that. And the show is very well done. 945 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,240 I would also recommend that single season out so far, so go 946 00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:33,320 watch that Shark Lake and Presumed Innocent and Gods, Guns 947 00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,840 and Missionaries by Monopoly and also recommend reading The Ivory 948 00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,360 Throne by Monopoly. All of Monopoly books actually 949 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,440 are pretty great, yeah. Yeah, all of his books are 950 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:43,680 pretty good. I highly recommend it. 951 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,880 I'll check out the podcast episode on the scene and the 952 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,680 Unseen as well if you want an audio version. 953 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,920 Yeah, that I have to catch. I did not know that he was on 954 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,280 that podcast. I should definitely catch. 955 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,240 He has been there a couple of times, so he has actually 956 00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:54,320 covered his previous books as well. 957 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,880 And all those podcast episodes are very great. 958 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,000 But if you read the books, you probably have gotten a great 959 00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,400 sense of what he was talking about. 960 00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:02,560 But let me talk about my pop culture recommendation. 961 00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,920 And that is also a series and that is the studio. 962 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,320 My God, what a phenomenal series. 963 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,240 It is hilarious, it is incisive, it is satire. 964 00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:14,840 It is just the right amount of everything. 965 00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:19,760 It is out on Apple TV right now. Seth Rogen, I think is one of 966 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,120 the producers, one of the creators behind it and stars in 967 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,880 it as well. Phenomenal cast, stunning cast, 968 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,120 and just a funny, funny show to watch. 969 00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,040 So check it out. Very well made, actually. 970 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,200 Apple TV is pouring some some heavy money into the shows that 971 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,800 it's making. Well, Apple TV shows are of very 972 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,880 good quality, by the way. Now, as I mentioned in a 973 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,960 previous episode, it's available to people in India now, 974 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,560 thankfully, who don't own Apple devices. 975 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,080 Maybe you had mentioned this. So yes, check out the studio as 976 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,480 well. And that brings us to the end of 977 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,240 the episode. Vineet your spiel. 978 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,160 Yes, yes, yes. So the spiel. 979 00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,200 That's all for today's episode. Thank you for listening in. 980 00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,600 We hope you enjoyed the show and learned something new. 981 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,160 If you liked what you heard, please consider subscribing to 982 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,560 our podcast and leaving us a review on your favorite podcast 983 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,400 platform. It hardens my heart to tell you 984 00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,640 that we currently have a five star rating on Spotify, but we 985 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,720 can still do better by increasing the number of people 986 00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:16,000 who had those five star reviews. So go ahead and click that 987 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,000 button. 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