For 100 years, an elegant American Elm tree at the center
of Tompkins Square in New York was just a tree.
Then, in 1966, it happened to birth a new thing.
Something revolutionary started over there.
What exactly happened in 1966 that has resonance both with the
Western culture but also here with us in India?
And that is the audience question.
What happened in 1966 at Tompkins Square Park where an
elegant American Elm tree happens to be?
What is the name of this tree that was named or renamed after
this particular incident? Try to figure out the audience
question by the end of this episode.
I am Aditya, this is are you quizzing me?
And on the other end is Vineet. Let's hear the music.
Welcome to Are you quizzing me? I am Vineet Nair with my Co host
Aditya Kashyap. This is a quizzing trivia
podcast show. Join us as we dive deep into
history, science, pop culture and so much more.
Let's get quizzing. Alright, welcome back.
I just told Vineet that unlike every other episode till date, I
think this is the first time ever I have an audience question
and the reason why I chose today to take over the audience
question will be revealed in due time.
By the end of it, there was a reason why I chose to do the
audience question as well. You'll find out when we find out
the answer. Vineet, are you excited to go on
a journey today which started three days ago when I was
injured and I was in bed and I opened a Wikipedia article and I
came out of it two days later because I went down rabbit holes
and today is going to be just cluttered and chock a block full
of random trivia from my 2 days worth of rabbit holing.
That sounds vaguely dirty, but. That's true, Rabbit holing.
Yeah. No, no, yeah, no, that's not
going to catch on. No, no, no.
OK, moving on. So, Aditya, you're hopefully
better from the not feeling well.
That has to be the worst constructed sentence in the
history of the English language. I can only blame the fact that I
am sick, as you may have surmised from the increased base
in my voice. Very attractive, very sexy.
Yes, I know, I know. I'll try to speak in low.
Registers. Let's go.
So how about you start on a low register, but take us to a high
with your first question. OK, so my first question is as
follows. It's a slightly cryptic question
named after a Spanish Inquisitor.
This set of rules guides makers of X.
OK. It says that clues to X must
have three parts, a precise definition, a fair subsidiary
indication, and nothing else. What is X that follows these
principles? I'll repeat the question because
it is a cryptic question. Please do, I'll look very lost.
Yes. You do look very lost.
So named after a Spanish Inquisitor.
There is a set of rules that guides makers of X.
These rules say that clues to X must have three parts, a precise
definition, a fair subsidiary indication, and nothing else.
So my question is, what is X that follows these principles?
I'm not asking you to give me the name of the set of rules,
because that might be a little too obscure, but then I don't
know. Maybe you know the answer to
this, so I wouldn't be surprised.
Let me put you at ease. I have no clue.
OK, so we are completely starting off tabula rasa and
cheeky of you to ask me a Spanish Inquisition question,
but let me try my best. It has to have a subsidiary and
then nothing else and has to have a clear definition.
Is that what you said the first rule was?
It has to have a precise definition, a fair subsidiary
indication and nothing else. It's rules for X named after an
Inquisitor, right? A Spanish inquisitor.
I'm completely lost so maybe category might help like food,
sports. No, as I mentioned, this is a
clue like so. The set of rules describe how to
make clues for X. Or how to make clues for X Clues
for X. So makes me think of a board
game. Slightly warm, not slightly warm
compared to where you were. Like if you were at -200, you
are now at -10. So it's some sort of a clues, It
has to be some sort of game, some sort of quest.
Spanish. Oh could it be like Dora the
Explorer clues Spanish and Dora? No, no, no.
Some sort of a treasure thing in in Latin America.
No, no, no, no. This is something you do find in
India as well, but not so common.
It's a very niche kind of thing, though people do brag about it.
Let me just make it clear, I'm not one of those people who can
even brag about it. It's not even that I don't want
to, but I just can't. Interesting.
I don't know why Rubik's Cube came to mind.
But then why would you need a clue for a Rubik's Cube?
Yeah, I was thinking more of the the algorithm to solve it, not a
clue. Yeah, you're right.
A clue quizzing then I guess quizzing is perhaps something
you need a clue for some specific type of quizzing.
No, no. No, what, what, what does?
What needs clues apart from board games, Apart from a
treasure hunt? OK, let me just put it this way.
Imagine a two word phrase. A second word is clue.
What would you put in the first one?
Blank. Clue.
Tough clue. An easy clue.
Is it an adjective? Or is it some sort of like not
not one of these generic adjectives, but something very
specific? I'm going to give you a couple
of more clues which practically will not help you.
They're especially popular in Britain, also in the US.
In certain parts of the US, each clue is fair but tricky thanks
to the rules, which are by the way, called Himean principles,
spelt XIMENEAN. And that's the Spanish
Inquisitor. Yes, Jimenez was the Spanish
Inquisitors. This is called the Himenian
Principles. This was named after Derek
Somerset Mcnutt, who used the pen name Jimenez.
This guy was not Spanish at all, he just chose the Spanish
Inquisitors. Name.
He was not. He was, yes, but he was using a
Spanish Inquisitors name, which is weirdly appropriate if you
ever tried to do one of these. So an English person using a
Spanish person's name is appropriate for this?
I don't know. OK, doesn't make a lot of sense,
but is it like a New York Times? I'm going to give you another
thing, OK? Think of how I asked you this
question, and then think of the three parts of the clue in the
question. It has to be specific, it has to
have an indication of a subsidiary and it should not
have anything else. Clear definition of the answer.
I've been a little more than clear there.
Then there is the fair piece of word play, which is my question
itself. And then nothing extra that
would confuse you so. I was thinking something along
the lines of like a cryptic crossword or maybe a regular
crossword. Thank you.
Yes, it is a cryptic crossword. Oh, I should have guessed that
earlier. OK, interesting.
Did you recognize that I actually described the question
as cryptic twice before I asked you the question?
Yeah, definitely. I am so attentive.
So even before I started the question, the clue hasn't has
basically three parts. So let me just put it all
together. Cryptic crosswords who those who
don't know are a special kind of torture.
I'm sorry, word puzzle which are popular in Britain.
Each clue is tricky but fair. The rules that guide the making
of these clues are called Himane Principles, named after Derek
Somerset Mcnutt who used the pen name Jimenez.
He was an expert crossword maker who wanted to make the clues
fair and clear. According to these rules, each
clue has to have three parts. A clear definition to the
answer, hence me saying cryptic prior to asking the question.
A fair piece of word play that helps find the answer.
The question itself and nothing extra.
That might confuse the solver. And then maybe because my clue
might have been confusing. For example, for those who don't
know, a clue might use hitch to mean obstacle and hide the
letter E, the 1st letter of equipment inside it.
So the answer to this clue would be high tech, meaning
technologically advanced. Don't even ask me how this
works. I have beaten my head against a
wall trying to solve cryptic crosswords.
Annie, who's been on our podcast, he likes these kind of
cryptic crossword things. He's brainy enough to do those.
Jimenez or Derek Somerset to Mark Mcnutt wrote a famous book
in 1966 called Jimenez on the Art of the Crossword Puzzle that
explained all these rules. Today, most British cryptic
crosswords try to follow these principles because they make the
puzzles fair and enjoyable for solvers.
So it's a cryptic crossword. Very smart, very smart.
I actually disagree with you because I do find cryptic
crosswords fun. I'm not able to solve them all
the time, but I find them fun whenever I figure it out or
whenever somebody explains it to me.
Which reminds me, I don't know if everyone can recommend it
before, but this Instagram page called, I think it's called
Minute Cryptic. And this guy, he, he poses A
cryptic crossword clue and then he helps you figure out like get
to the answer. So it's kind of fun if you're
interested in dipping your toe into it because it's like
somebody holding your hand and walking you through it.
It's pretty good. Like I mentioned, it's a special
kind of torture. I'm sorry, word puzzle.
It's. Because you're not good at it,
Vineet doesn't mean you get to shit on it, OK?
Yes, I am salty and I will shit on it.
Going on a slight tangent, cracking the cryptic is it's not
a cryptic crossword thing, but they do something on cryptic
Sudoku's. I think it's a YouTube channel.
I believe they also have a website.
Check it out. It's it's Sudoku for anybody who
likes Sudoku puzzle but is bored of doing the regular same ones.
It's like a slight variations on it.
Sometimes there'll be only one digit given in the test Sudoku,
but there'll be other additional rules apart from the regular
rules of Sudoku. So so check it out.
I I won't go into too much detail on that, but just because
Cryptic reminded me of that. Basically what you're saying is
people who do like cryptic crosswords are like masochists,
and then people who do like cryptic sudoku are like
masochists Pro Max. Did someone hurt you with a
cryptic crossword clue? Like why?
Why are you so upset? I hate them, I can never get the
answers. I believe HK is one of the
earlier guests who has also tabbled in cryptic crosswords.
Yeah, I think the guy who introduced me I.
Knew I didn't like him. Wow, that is not OK.
I'm going to complain to it. I'm kidding.
No, and I think I believe he's
the one who who introduced me to.
I know people who've introduced other people to drugs as well,
you know. My God, what happened to you?
Like where did this this sassy version come out with this
voice? I'm only half kidding.
I really do hate cryptic crosswords.
It's one of those things I've never been able to master.
Like I can do regular crosswords, but give me a
cryptic crossword and I'm like a blabbering 5 year old.
Nothing makes sense. OK, OK.
All right, relax. We got this.
OK, I've got that venom out of
my system now, so you may go ahead.
Glad you got out of your system because I have something new for
your system and that's my question.
This is the one question in today's list which, knowing you,
knowing your interest, you should be able to crack very
quickly. Oh God I hate this.
It's music. You.
You know your music all right? The least you can do is not tell
me that you think I can crack it.
I will edit it out if you don't crack it quickly.
OK, this is music. You know this stuff.
All right, tell me, which band has founding members named
Jeffrey, Douglas, John and Thomas?
Jeffrey, Douglas, John and Thomas.
These are the founding members of which band?
Yeah, there were more members. Eventually, some people have
more people joined, but these were the four founding members.
You've not mentioned last names. Therein lies my first clue.
Their last names are an interesting piece of trivia to
the band's formation. Douglas John Thomas, You're not
giving me last names, which makes it more difficult.
You know what, I'm going to give you the last names.
OK. Jeffrey Hyman, Douglas Colvin,
John Cummings, John Cummings and Thomas Adeli, The Ramones
Vineeth. Sometimes you deprive me of the
joy of running you through the entire question, but very well
done. Yes, I was right.
You will correct this very quickly.
These are the Ramones. Do you know how the Ramones got
their name? I know they all kind of met at
some New York club or something, right?
They met in New York City, yes, but that's not where they got
the name. Do you?
Do you actually? You know what?
Part 2 of this trivia. Do you know where the Ramones
get their name? I should know this, never
actually inquired as to where they got their name.
Classic etymology. You're going to love this.
OK. Here's the fun part of it,
because I gave you the last names, and clearly none of their
last names are Ramones. But Alvin decided to call
himself Ramon or use the last name Ramon and use the first
name Didi. Don't know where Didi came from,
but he became Didi Ramon. And he encouraged the rest of
them also to take on the name. So they had the last name as
performing members of the band, they had the last name Ramon.
So it became Joey Ramon, Johnny Ramon, Didi Ramon and Tommy
Ramon, right? And that's why they were the
Ramons. And anybody else who joined the
band also took on the last name while they were part of the band
or while they were artists associated with the band.
Obviously they didn't officially change the name, but the Ramones
were off of a random surname that they happened to choose.
Do you know why they chose? Ramon.
Why did they choose the name Ramon?
I need a clue, dude. You'll have to give me some sort
of. Clue you're going to enjoy this.
There is a musical artist who predates Ramones who they were
inspired by. Who?
At one point in his musical career, chose the pseudonym
Ramon because he thought it sounded exotic.
You would know who this person is based off of their album
where they made a pun on the name Ramon.
They spelled it differently. They didn't because the Ramones
are spelled ROAMONE and the name of the band adds an S2 at the
end. So the name of the band was
RAMONE, but the original singer that they were inspired by
spelled it Ramon. And in his solo album, he used
sort of A twist on the name Ramon to throwback or hawk back
to his pseudonym days. Shamu, no, it's not, not my
direction. No, it predates that amounts,
yeah. No no, I was just making a
really dumb joke but and OK, so they used a pseudonym.
All of these people use pseudonyms when checking into
hotels and things for that, especially if they wanted to get
away from. This was not a pseudonym for
checking into hotels. This was actually a pseudonym
they used multiple times when they were maybe collaborating
with certain artists or or when they were on tour.
At one point of time they had used this person was part of a
band, and everybody in the band apparently had a pseudonym when
they were doing a specific tour in their career.
You know them by their actual names, but they used a pseudonym
in certain parts of their career.
I'm fairly sure that Bertie is. If he is listening, it's going
to be like, oh, what are you doing bro?
This is the answer bro. But you figured it out before I
even ask the question. Guaranteed for sure.
It's in his his veins. The answer is just flowing
through. It I'll need an additional clue.
This is not getting me anywhere. OK.
I told you to look at an album that they did as a solo artist,
right? This was after the band broke
up. They released a solo album and
this was, I believe their second solo album, which is now
considered a pretty good album. Back when it came out, it didn't
get the best of reviews and literally it has a part of the
word Ramon in it. Do I know this album?
Knowing your musical taste, knowing your interest in the
music and the decade I'm talking about, and knowing the people
I'm actually referring to, you might know this album.
You like how much percentage is is obvious enough percentage.
You definitely know this person. Knowing you and knowing how you
would like to torture me, I would say this is definitely
related to either The Beatles or The Rolling Stones somehow.
Yes, you are right. It is one of the two that you
mentioned. I am predictable that way, it's
nothing else. The Rolling Stones didn't break
up per SE, she said. This person went out to have a
solo career, so it has to be either Lennon or McCartney.
Sure, but if you ask me to name one of the two, Maniza
McCartney. Paul Ramon was the pseudonym
that Paul McCartney used when The Beatles were still the
Silver Beatles. They were doing a tour in
Scotland in 1960. Oh, OK, OK.
And he used it then, and he's used it at some points in the
future in his career as well. His second studio album and the
only studio album where he worked with Paul and Linda
together. At least where they're created
together. There was a song, Admiral
Halsey. Yes, yes, Admiral Halsey isn't
It is from the album Do you know Which I'd.
Mentioned it, I don't remember the name of the album.
His album names are all very forgettable.
RAM. It's literally called RAM.
Ah, OK, yeah. And there is a song in it called
Ram on RAM On where he's like, you know, powered through with
it. OK, not bad, not bad.
Now, interestingly enough, one of the songs that is perhaps not
as popular but has significance is Too Many People.
Do you know too many people? Doesn't come to mind
immediately. If you think distracts are an in
thing now, these guys are shooting shots at each other
after the break of the band. OK, so too many people was
Paul's this thing at both Yoko and John.
So there were all of these like post Beatles breakup songs, like
the specific songs that that perhaps encompass what they're
feeling. Too many people is Paul's main
his post Beatles song. Yeah, too many people.
Yeah, yeah, I get it. Yeah, I get the reference.
Exactly, you should go read up on it at my God this part of the
whole rabbit hole that I went down because it the references
in it are also hilarious. You know what, I'll just tell
you a few of them. They're all the bits at the
beginning of RAM. Like, too many people going
underground, right? And John Lynn interpreted it as
he talking about him and Yokono, which I think, yeah, Paul was
making some shots over there. In response, Lennon wrote.
Do you know what song? Not off the top of my head.
It's from his album Imagine it's called How Do You Sleep?
Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, right.
Yeah. How do you sleep?
Yeah, there's some line I think I remember reading about.
Like, the last thing you wrote was yesterday, and now he wrote
Another Day because Another Day was another single from his
album. So he was talking about how Paul
had just done, like, a few things.
John and Paul firing shots at each other and too many people.
And how do you sleep? The song that Harrison wrote was
Wah Wah. This was Harrison's response to
the breakup. Yeah, but he had a middling
career, so I don't think he was like, he's my favorite Beatle,
but still. OK, so one of the critics who
wrote about these four songs and the fourth song being early
1970, that is our man Ringo's song to the response or the
breakup of the whole thing? Poor Ringo.
This particular specific critic definitely said that it is one
of the more tempered responses because the rest of them were a
lot more angsty I guess. See, honestly, you don't have to
know anything more. I mean, like, if you want to
know why people blame Yoko Ono for all of this, I think it's
after the breakup of The Beatles.
There was a performance during some kind of variety show, I
don't remember if it's a variety show or a stage show, where
Lennon was playing with Chuck Berry in the legendary Chuck
Berry. And while they're playing, Yoko
Ono decides to improvise some kind of oriental chant in the
middle of the song. And you can literally see Chuck
Berry's eyes go like this. So you are a Yoko hater as well?
We got cryptic crossword and we got Yoko.
Got it. Yeah, keeping track.
So that was my little bit of my rabbit hole down these post
Beatles breakup songs that all of them went into early 1970.
Wah wah, too many people and how do you sleep?
All four of them wrote these songs as a responsive to break
up. Which brings you back to Ram
Ramon. That's what.
The Ramones got their name because they did it as an homage
to Paul Ramon. Paul McCartney, OK Nice and DD
Ramon chose that name and everybody else decide to follow
suit. Interestingly enough, in 2002,
the Ramones were ranked the second greatest band of all time
by Spin, which is a magazine trailing only The Beatles.
Let's just say that I will disagree with that, but so I
disagree with a lot of things today.
Yeah, I get it. Get it?
The Rolling Stones or the soundtrack?
Of the 60's, the 60s get it right.
OK X, so this is my question to you.
X was possibly the only person who held this office and also
like to drive his own car, a Range Rover Vogue and a
Mercedes-Benz 500 SEL that was gifted to him by the King of
Jordan. X was often seen sporting a
white pair of Lotto sneakers and expensive sunglasses.
His love for fast speeds was no secret considering his previous
occupation. So who am I talking about?
I'm being very cryptic. Given how much you hate Cryptic
Crossword, that's irony. But wait, did you say they were
the only person to occupy that office?
They're the only person who held this office who also like to
drive their own car. Oh, is it Ronald Reagan by any
chance? Oh no.
Do you think any American president would be allowed to
drive if a car backfires? They're not even allowed to
walk. They're literally lifted and
run. But you're on somewhat the right
track. Yeah, it has to be a world
leader. Somebody will like to drive.
I know the Queen has driven on occasion, on certain occasions.
Oh yeah, the Queen, the Queen of England.
She used to be an ambulance driver during World War 2.
Ambulance driver also the only person who doesn't have a
license because all license are issued by the queen so she can't
issue her several license. So she can't issue her license,
her own name? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Apparently she likes to drive very fast.
I can imagine she looked like somebody who was a speed racer,
but I'm assuming that's not the answer.
Here, no, no, because I said that this was not a surprise
considering their previous profession that they like to go
fast ambulance. Driver has to go fast.
Technically, that would also be true, but like I said, a Range
Rover, Vogue and Mercedes-Benz 500 SCL that was gifted by the
King of Jordan. And you also think you mentioned
that it is a man that you're looking for?
Yes. No idea, must be some racer who
is also the Prince of someplace or the king of someplace, but.
OK, as I also mentioned, their appearance, very famous for
wearing white Lotto sneakers and expensive sunglasses, drove at a
breakneck pace across roads which have been cleared well in
advance by the security forces. There's not a fictional person,
right? It's a real individual.
Oh no, no, it's a real person. Oh yeah, no idea at all.
Had a career which would drive them to driving really fast.
I said that their love for fast speed is no surprise considering
their previous profession is all I'm saying.
That does not ring a bell at all, OK.
So there was an official car and then there was this person's
private cars. They would take the private cars
and go so fast that the official cars would be trailing.
It's no surprise that it was trailing because you have the
Americans who travel in like this over souped up.
You know, they called the beast limousines, right?
But this was a white ambassador car.
Does this sound very familiar, the Indian context into it?
It sounds like I've heard of this particular Prime Minister,
President I've. Definitely, I would suggest
thinking of the previous profession.
I'm assuming you see Rajiv Gandhi on.
It is Rajiv Gandhi. He was a pilot.
Makes sense. Speed.
Yeah, so he was a trained pilot. He had an affinity towards fast
cars as well. So whenever he got an
opportunity, he switched between the Hindustan Ambassador, a
Range Rover Vogue and a Mercedes-Benz 500 SEL that was
gifted to him by the King of Jordan.
And he also had a couple of Cadillacs in his garage.
Oh, OK. It was a proper petrol head.
I did not know about the shoes, though.
I did not know that this was something very, very
specifically associated with him.
Oh, yeah, he, he preferred. It's not that he always worried,
but he did prefer white sneakers, even after his
assassination. Famously, they found the
sneakers which were blown off his feet.
Correct me if I'm misremembering this because I visited the
museum around 10 years ago, but there is a Rajiv Gandhi and
Indira Gandhi museum in New Delhi.
And I think this is one of the relics that they keep there.
It's a very morbid museum. The site where Indira Gandhi was
gunned down is preserved under panes of glass and you can still
see the blood stains today. I might not hold her in the
highest regard, but nobody deserves a violent death like
that. So unfortunate but interesting
piece of trivia. Pretty cool.
OK, Speaking of cool things,
what a basic segue. There was a nightclub in West
Hollywood, CA along Sunset Blvd. on the Sunset Strip in 1943.
Frank Sinatra became a solo act when he first became a solo act.
He made his LA debut at that particular club in 1955.
Ella Fitzgerald opened also at this club after Marilyn Monroe
had really pushed for her to get that spot and that kind of
launched Fitzgerald on on the stage into fame.
Do you know how this particular club in LA is connected to a
very iconic Bollywood character, Mogambo?
Oh, what? Oh my God, that was a little too
easy. Or did that make it way too easy
for you? Did you know this or did you
just? No, no, no, I it's a pure guess
because you were talking about characters that would be named
after an Indian character, named after something in Hollywood.
Frankly, the only name that came to my head was, you know, Robber
or Mogambo. It could be like a club called
like, I don't know, Raj or like Shen Shah.
Or Rahul Nam to Sunai yoga. Exactly why couldn't there be a
club called Rahul in Delhi? No, no, it can't be just Rahul.
It has to be Rahul. Nam to Sunai Yoga so that the
Americans can butcher it. Let's go to Rahul.
That does sound like a cool name for a club.
Brilliant. Brilliant.
Like I had so much stuff that was supposed to be given as
clues, but you have you have blown past it.
Yeah, hit me with the clues anyway.
I I'd I'd love to know. I'm going to because this is
part of my rabbit holing another day using the word the.
The catch here is that the name of the original club was not
Mogambo, it was Mogambo, OK, MOCA, MB O.
There are some roots to that word in in Spanish and
Portuguese and stuff. I think it has to do with
certain indigenous tribes in the Americas.
It has to do with certain trees, all of those things.
That's where Mocambo comes from. Mocambo is the name of this
particular club. It was a very famous spot.
I already mentioned 2 very famous people, but there are a
bunch of other very famous people who was born there.
There was a movie that was made called Mogambo.
Cary Grant. Very impressive.
Yes, you do know the movie. It's a 1953 Hollywood film
called Mogambo, which had Cary Grant in it, and Salim Khan and
Javed Akhtar. They were inspired by this film
and they named Mogambo the character in Mr. India after the
film, which had been named after the club with a slight twist
called Mogambo. Actually, during the promotions
of the 1953 Hollywood film, the producers claimed that the word
Mogambo meant the greatest, but there was no such meaning.
It was literally just because the producer of the film, he
liked that particular club in LA and that's why he decided to
name the film Mugambo. And then we got our character
Mugambo from it, which kind of launched Amrish Puri into
stratosphere. He he appeared in Indiana Jones
after that got a bunch of the antagonist roles.
I think he was the highest paid villain in Bollywood, I think at
that point. At one point, no, because I I
remember the fact that Mugambo was named after this movie
because I had the fact that this movie was the inspiration for
the character name. The nightclub connection was
something that came to me like the other way around because I
couldn't think of any other character who could be named
after a club. Smart smart Mocambo.
The club obviously shut down way back when.
There is a club opened in Toronto and this was inspired by
the founders of this Toronto club who had visited the LA club
and liked it. They opened a club in Toronto,
which is also famous for a whole different reason and that you
will enjoy because The Rolling Stones once performed there
under a pseudonym. They did not want to tell people
they're performing. So it was like kind of a secret
thing. Wait, wait, let me guess, did
they call themselves No Moss? Not that.
No, it was not World No Moss. They called themselves the
Cockroaches. I don't know if that was a dig
at The Beatles or something. I don't know.
Oh no, OK, it makes sense, because it's a famously A
scientifically known fact that in the event of a nuclear
apocalypse, the only things left alive will be Keith Richards and
cockroaches. Yeah, and Keith Richards will
outlive the cockroaches, I'm sure.
He'll probably smoke the. He might.
He might just do that. In this case, they were called
the Cockroaches, and none of the people in the audience knew who
these people are because they were an opening band for another
group called April Wine, which is a Canadian rock band.
They were the opening group for it.
This particular performance is famous because there's also a
recently released live album called Elmocambo 1977.
This was in 1977. They released Elmocambo 1977,
which is a live recording of it. This 1977 gig is very famous
because there was a very famous lady over there who went by the
name of Margaret Trudeau and if the tabloids were to be
believed, she had a romantic encounter with Mick Jagger which
eventually led to her divorce with the then Canadian Prime
Minister Pierre Trudeau. I know this.
It happened a couple of years later, but this was apparently
one of the reasons why she was caught on a photograph in that
event. Again, maybe it was a completely
innocent thing, I don't know, but the rumors were that she had
a romantic rendezvous with Mick Jagger at that event, which led
to her eventual divorce. With my God, the rabbit holes I
went down, you have no idea. I just what or did I explore
then this? You should have followed that
particular thread because if you followed that particular thread
down, you'd know that there is a conspiracy theory that Pierre
Trudeau is not OK. At this point, we are away from,
you know, far away from being trivia nerds to become just
gossip Queens right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, please,
please, please switch off your trivia brains.
Yeah. Yes.
So there is a conspiracy theory that Pierre Trudeau is not
Justin Trudeau's father, and that Justin Trudeau's father is
actually Fidel Castro. Oh wow, what?
Yeah, so there are old photographs of Margaret Trudeau
and, you know, the both of them together and just looking at it.
And there is somewhat some chemistry in the photographs if
you see it in those eyes. And the pictures of young Fidel
Castro and the pictures of a young Justin Trudeau are
uncanny. So there's probably nothing to
it, frankly speaking. It just sounds too outlandish.
But then you never know. It's a it's a fun conspiracy for
people to go down rabbit holes. I love it.
I love it, Vineet. Anything you hate in this
particular question so far? Nothing to hate you, nothing to
hate you. Cockroaches.
Yeah, you're good with cockroaches.
No, I do hate them. Yeah, now that you tell me that
I hate cockroaches. All right, so we have cryptic
crossword, we have your corner, and we have cockroaches.
Yeah, they won't drown. All right, Well, Vivek, back to
you. So my question to you now is
going to be a slightly medical question, but I hope you will be
able to track it. In a 2013 study published in the
International Journal of Cardiology, Anand Patel and ET
al, which is means Anand Patel and other authors refer to the
term X. They defined X as a colloquial
term for media stenitis and other complications of an open
stenotomy following cardiothoracic surgery.
OK, Did you understand anything about what I said?
Nothing at all. So mediastinum is basically just
for simple terms, is the central portion of their chest cavity
between your lungs and other, That's the central portion of
test cavity and it's right behind your breast bone or your
sternum. OK.
So during cardiothoracic surgery, obviously they cut your
sternum in half, they can split open.
You got it. It's called an open sternoter.
So there can be inflammation, infection of the mediastinum
that is central part of your chest cavity following another
complications of a sternotomine cardiothoracic surgery.
The popular name for this condition which is the term X
that they refer to is based on the description above.
OK, I told you what this is about.
So this name, the popular name was given based on the
description above and it hints towards a very famous
personality or person or let's just say very famous icon who's
associated with a particular action.
Oh OK and person part threw me off.
I thought I had an answer. Oh no, you might actually have
it. I think I gave it away but just
jello. Has it got anything to do with
Alien? Oh, no, no, no, no.
Oh OK, I I was thinking not person but an alien chest
Buster. Oh.
Oh, very good, very good, very good guess.
But no, this is a famous icon who's associated with a
particular action. I figured it out.
Is it Hanuman? Yes, it is the Hanuman syndrome.
Oh, wow. Interesting.
OK. Yeah, it's called the Hanuman
syndrome. So it's a term which refers to
the kind of inflammation, infection of the central part of
your chest resulting as a complication of an open
sternotomy where they kind of split your chest back spool and
then like pull it open. Right, right, right, right,
right. The whole image of Hanuman
revealing his heart in which resides Ramji Sita Mahan.
My initial guess I was quite proud of, but the eventual
answer is cooler somehow. Nice.
I like. Yeah, nice, nice, nice, nice,
nice. OK, perfect.
I'm gonna switch gears and I'm gonna go back to the US And
here's a simple etymology question for a particular space
in the US or locality or a neighborhood.
OK. The commissioner's plan of 1811,
which laid out the grid scheme of Manhattan above Houston St.
Houston St. It's not Houston.
No, it's pronounced Houston St. Are you pulling my leg 'cause I
can't Fact Check you live? No, no.
It is called Houston. It's called Houston.
Houston, we do have a problem, all right.
A great scheme of Manhattan, the Houston Houston part is not
relevant. And designated 16 NS avenues.
OK, 12 of them were numbered and they were supposed to run
continuously to Harlem. And then there were four which
were not numbered. OK, based off of these 4, the
particular locality got its name.
What is the name of this locality?
So the name of this locality is after the four avenues which
were not numbered in New York. Yeah.
You want the name of the locality, right?
Yeah. Was it Tribeca?
I don't know what the connection Tribeca is, but not relevant.
No, no, I'm just guessing because this is Soho is South of
Houston or something right now. So something like that, where
it's the name itself is an acronym of sorts.
No, it is not an acronym I mentioned and I think you would
have realized I did not mention what the four other streets were
because I said 16 NS avenues, 12 of them were numbered, 4 of them
were not numbered. So what they were, I didn't
mention. It's based of those four that
this locality gets its name. Is it a location that's famous?
Would I know this? Because I don't.
I actually had not heard of it. To be very honest, I had not
heard of it till and this is my first hint.
Have you seen the show? The studio?
Yes. So there were a bunch of
fictional films in that show. Alphabet City.
Yes, it is Alphabet City which is the movie that is I think in
one of the episodes, which is about the extended ending that
the director goes on into like a part which is unnecessary, but
that is Alphabet City. I did not realize that Alphabet
City was an actual place. Why is it called Alphabet City?
Because the non numbered ones are Ave.
ABCD, so the only single lettered street names in the
whole of New York City. Oh.
That's why that area is called Alphabet City.
Nice, nice. I did not know that.
So they would say like the corner of A and 16th.
Like how do they say that then? Yeah, the Avenue B and 12th or
Ave. B and here.
OK. So Ave.
B, OK, OK. Oh, that's a nice question.
Interestingly enough, the Broadway musical Rent.
It takes place in Alphabet City. OK.
Because that's where was a composer.
I think his name is Larson, right?
The guy who unfortunately passed away before I think it came to
Broadway. Played very convincingly by
Andrew Garfield and Tik Tik Boom.
Grateful to check that out as well.
Jonathan Larson's very iconic. If you've heard of Broadway
musicals, Rent is one of them. You probably have heard of Rent
is based in Alphabet City. Nice, nice nice, nice.
OK, so then I guess it is now my turn to try and bamboozle the
I'm going to go over the question that I have for some
reason not asked even though you are a big fan of these kind of
questions. So Aditya, this is a combination
of two types of questions that you love, lists and fill in the
blanks. Give it to me.
I want you to fill in the missing entry in this list.
Pythian, Nimian, Isthmian. What's the 4th?
Expected the list to be longer. No, it's not.
Disappointingly small list, dirty jokes order.
Can you repeat the names again? PYTHIAN, Pythian, Nemian,
NEMEAN. Nemian as in the nemian lion
Isthmian. If you've heard of isthmus, the
thyroid Isthmus Isthmian. I was going to go off of Nemian
Lion only because that is the only word which felt relevant,
but I'm assuming it doesn't have anything lions or or
mythological lions. So no, no idea.
I'm not saying Nimian Lion, I'm just saying Nimian as in the
Nimian Lion, so that, you know, understand what I'm talking
about, right? Like or at least the the word
itself. You know, I got that.
That was the IT was the only jumping off point I had, but.
Pithian priestesses. The priestesses of the Temple of
Delphi. They were called Pithian
priestesses. Sounds like a lot of Greek myth.
Yeah, you are getting to something.
So this is a very unknown fact. I want to put this out there
that this is an unknown fact is that many people have forgotten.
OK. Very Indian right now.
I like it. People listening to us cannot
understand it, so I am head bobbing.
I think the voice was very clear, iconically Indian.
OK, but tell me what is connection to Greek mythology?
Is it? It's not mythology.
The first part is right, the second part is not.
Greeks. I don't know why.
I was going to say ionic like ionic columns but I think those
are Roman not Greek. Oh, that would have been a
That's a very good joke. But no I.
Don't know what the joke is, but anyways, that's Roman.
That's not Greek. No, no, OK, that was just me.
There was a scene in, I think it's in Angels and Demons where.
This column is ionic. Ionic.
Yeah, this column is ionic. Because every column has the
ions. Yeah, because I'm recently been
seeing promotions of the Odyssey.
Matt Damon and Ben Affleck have been speaking about it, and that
is in Prestor. So does it have anything to do
with the Odyssey? No, not particularly.
Let me just give you a clue. The legacy of this 4th entry on
the list is still quite big today.
We've forgotten the other 3. OK, the 4th 1 still holds
strong. The fact is, there are certain
things which we take for granted about this fourth entry on the
list even today, but we've never actually thought to understand
why it is so. And that will make sense when
you know about the other three things, which are Pythian,
Isthmian and Nemean. Give me a enter.
OK, the Pythian games. Oh, is it the Olympic Game?
Yeah, I just completely out of that clue, okay.
Okay, sorry. To the audience, I completely
screwed up the reveal on that because I'm I'm, I'm sick by
guys, give me a break. I am sick right now.
But yes, it is the Olympic Games.
Let me just tell you right now that everybody knows the Olympic
Games. We know that the Olympic Games
happen every four years. Have you ever thought to wonder
why it happens every four years? Those are the three games
happening in the intervening time.
I have heard of this, yes. Yes.
So the games were held in four year cycles.
You would have the Olympic Games, which were held in
Olympia honoring Zeus and the winners received an olive
wreath. Right, right.
The Pythian games were held in Delphi.
I gave you a clue about the Pythian priestesses at Delphi.
Oracle of Delphi. Yes, they honored Apollo and it
was from music and arts and the winners received a Laurel
wreath. Oh interesting, the Nimian games
were held at Nimia honoring Zeus again and Heracles or Hercules,
and they received a celery wreath.
Disgusting. Go.
Ahead, the Isthmian Games held at the Isthmus of Corinth
honoring Poseidon, the Greek God of the sea.
And the winners received a pine tree.
So these games were all held like every year.
So that's why the Olympics came every four years because they'll
be like, OK, Olympics is done. We'll go for the PTN and the
Nimian and the Estimian and then back to the Olympics.
So this four year cycle, do you know what that was called?
Again, that terminology is known in India Today, India and many
other countries, at least in Asia, for a very different
reason. No, the connection is clear once
you know the word. India, we don't have 4 year
election cycles. No, no, no.
This is something that happens every year.
They've given it this name. It's not just in India, because
I've seen this in the Middle East as well.
I don't. Know what first thing came to
when was BNLA? No, no, no.
BNLA is something that happens every two years.
No, so that's the thing. That's BNLA Biennale.
Yeah, fair. Yeah.
This is the Olympiad. The Olympiad, of course.
Yes, Yeah. Yeah.
So the Olympiad is the four year cycle.
That four year cycle was called the Olympiad, composed of four
games, the Olympic Games, the Pythian Games, the Nimian Games
and the Isthmian Games. Now you know this forgotten
fact, OK? Cool.
Audience, I really want to apologize again for screwing up
the clue, but I'm sick so I'm allowed to be a little hateful
today and screw up. Happens, happens, happens to the
best of us. Well, I'm going to take you from
the islands of Greece to the islands of Japan and you have to
tell me, Vineet, what is the significance of Matsumushi and
Suzumushi? Matsumushi are pine crickets and
suzumushi are belly crickets. They're both 2 distinct
cherished autumn insects in Japan.
For people who are familiar with the Japanese culture would know
that insects are are held in a certain regard in Japan.
They have a lot of cultural significance in Japan, unlike
the way they're viewed or like someone like us might see a
cockroach. I think they view certain
insects at least with a lot of regard.
It has to do with the coming of seasons and and they are
celebrated in shrines and whatnot, right?
There are a lot of cultural significance to this.
What significance did Matsumushi and Suzumushi have in early
1930s in Japan? And I'm going to say the same
thing you said that this is a forgotten piece of trivia or I
don't think anybody following English trivia would know this.
You would have to go into some Japanese documents and Google
Translate them. Know what I'm talking?
I came across this in one of my again rabbit holes.
So matsumushi and sutsumushi. Names are not very relevant, but
yes, these are two different types of crickets which are
associated with the season of autumn.
Two different types of crickets. What is their importance in the
1930s? One significant event featured
them prominently in the 1930s. OK.
So one significant event in the 1930s featured them and you want
to know what that is? Yes.
Is it too early to ask for a clue?
You know what? This is a tough question, so I'm
going to give you a clue. This happened August 25th, 1931,
so around the time that autumn would be arriving in Japan.
And these were insects associated with autumn, but
doesn't have anything to do with the seasons specifically, it's
just that the time coincided with that season, so perhaps
that's why they were chosen. This was the first thing of its
kind in Japan. The first thing of its kind in
Japan, which happened in August of 1931, and it had something to
do with. Two crickets.
Yeah, again, perhaps not enough of a clue.
I'm going to give one more clue. It started in Tokyo, but it did
not end there. I already know this, right?
No, this is not something you might know.
This is just one of those piece of trivia that I thought was
interesting, and I'll help you along a little bit further on
this way. This had to do with something
that was being done for the first time in Japan.
This started in Tokyo, didn't end there.
It in fact was at a point where Japan was kind of expanding its
powers into China. The Russians had kind of faded
into the background in China and and the Japanese occupation was
under way. And there was a specific city in
now People's Republic of China in Liaoning Province.
It's called Dalian now. Back then it was called Dairan.
It's a similar enough name. It started in Tokyo.
It ended in Dairan. What happened that connected
these two cities and involved insects?
It's the first of its kind in the world.
No, no. The first of its kind in the
world. First of its kind in Japan.
I did think of something, but it doesn't make sense that it will
end up in China, so I don't think that's the answer.
You don't have to specifically think of something in Japan and
China. This is just something that was
starting off across the world at this point of time.
Some other countries were a little bit ahead.
Japan started in 1931. I don't even know where to code
to start thinking about this because I have no frame of
reference. I think I gave a very strong
hint when I said it connects these two cities.
Exactly what I was saying. I thought of something, but then
it doesn't make sense that it would end in China because
Japan's an island. Actually, that is perhaps the
biggest hint I could. Japan is an island.
It can't be a road. Could be a tunnel, but I don't
think there are any tunnels. My first thought was a train
Japan and trains and whatnot. So it's not that, it's not a
train, it's not a road, it's not a highway.
It's a ferry service. I imagine ferry services
happened in Japan before 1930s flight.
All right, you know what? This is one of those trivia, and
I'll tell you why I give this trivia in a bit.
OK. Because so far it's been quite
underwhelming, frankly speaking. OK, we need to relax.
So the first ever flight that flew off from Tokyo airport was
carrying 6000 of these insects because back then people were
not able to afford the very expensive flight tickets and
they wanted to do this almost as a sales push so as as a
publicity stunt. They are like, OK, these things
which are honoured and revered in our community, in our
culture, let's fly them in our first ever flight.
So first ever flight that took off from Tokyo airport, we went
from Tokyo to this place, Dalian now, and it carried 6000 of
these insects. OK, again, not not the most
impressive trivet or something. That's one of my my rabbit hole
experiences, one of my rabbit hole things.
I needed to kind of tie everything together.
OK. Do you know what my answer to
the audience questions? Yeah, you mentioned some
illiterative, elegant Elm, American tree, something like
that. I did.
You waxed poetic about a tree
for some reason. An Elm tree in Tompkins Square
Park gained significance in 1966.
This particular event named that tree, and it has relevance, of
course, to Western culture, to American culture, but also to us
Indians. What happened there that gave
the tree its name? It was 1960s.
Yes. And all your answers to now have
had something to do with that. The connection, I'll tell you,
but yes, it has. All of them have been connected.
Every single piece of trivia that you've heard in this
episode so far has been connected.
A man with a plan. Oh ha ha.
Ha. 1960's The Hippies. Very good, very good, very good.
The counterculture, the that vibe in New York.
Yeah, because when you say India and America 1960's, the first
obvious thing is that connects them is the hippie culture the
hippie counterculture book? A very specific component to the
hippie counter culture that we are all familiar with, they've
all heard of, maybe encountered also.
Too early for Osho, right? Very much on the right path,
literally if you if you extend that Osho line of thinking.
OK, let me help you a little bit.
Right in on October 9th, 1966, if you walked past this
particular park and this particular tree, you would have
heard a specific chant there, and that chant has kind of given
its name to the. Tree as well.
This is the Hare Krishna movement.
But what is it called with the word tree?
Swami Prabhupada for the first time when he did a public
gathering of Hare Krishna devotees and they chanted
together. It was at this particular tree
in Tompkins Square and it got the name Hare Krishna Tree.
Many years later, or at least a few years later, George Harrison
also came there seeking a higher consciousness.
OK. This is the Hari Krishna tree in
Tompkins Square, a lot of devotees of the Hari Krishna.
So Hari Krishna, I think the offices of what are the main,
main headquarters of it is also somewhere nearby in New York.
I know, isn't that, isn't it based in San Francisco?
At least the article that I'm reading says Lower Manhattan was
the epicenter of all of these things and their particular, the
headquarters were also in it. So maybe the the East Coast,
West Coast difference of SF and New York, I'm not sure.
But in any case, this was where like a lot of people were
gathering. A lot of the hippie culture was
gaining momentum. And Harry Krishna tree is in
this particular park now. Vineet, let's tie it all up
together. Are you excited?
Please go ahead, the stage is yours.
So the first question I asked you was about The Beatles and
the Ramones. The Ramones and The Beatles.
So I told you about a bunch of the songs in early 1970.
Ringo says something because he knows John Lennon loves it.
Have you heard of the song Hold On by John Lennon?
Yes, in that in between, Lennon randomly shouts something which
the song early 1970 as a tribute to John Lennon, Ringo also used
right, early 1978 told you the song that Ringo made a post
breakup. This is a word that John Lennon
used in hold on. Then Ringo used in early 1970.
He shouted cookie. OK, All right, hold on to that.
Hold on to that. Hold on to that little cute
piece of trivia, OK? Yeah, I'm holding.
I'm holding. The next thing I went to was
Mugambo. I mentioned that in Toronto
where that particular episode happened, where Trudeau's wife
was there, there was another club that opened.
It was called El Mocambo, right, which was named after Mocambo
over there. Hold on to that name as well.
OK, I've given you two things so far.
OK. Then let's move on to the Tokyo
airport. Piece of trivia now.
Tokyo Airport, if you go today, the Terminal 1, apparently if
you see it from a distance, from a height, it looks like a bird.
All right, so it has a specific nickname.
Now let's go to the fourth piece of trivia, which is about
Alphabet City. There was a specific creator of
something in 1969 who initially wanted to name her creation
after Ave. B OK, eventually it changed its
name, but she wanted to name it after Ave.
B, which I mentioned in Alphabet City.
Ave. Ave.
B Ave. C, Avenue D.
That brings me right back to my audience question of Tompkins
Square and Hare Krishna Tree, right?
Where do you think Hare Krishna Tree?
Tompkins Square is it located? Rather like what's right across
the street from them. Mokambo.
I've tied all of it together. I have told you Cookie was
shouted in that song. I've told you the airport looked
like a bird from distance. I've told you the name of the
club was El Mokambo and I have told you something of NUB was
the initial name for a show we all know.
Where are you going with this? Cookie Bird El Mocambo.
A number followed. By Sesame Street.
Oh my God. Oh sweet Jesus, Ababa, Oh my
God. The original name for Sesame
Street was supposed to be 123 Avenue B That's what the
original plan for Sesame Street was.
If you go to the map on 123 Avenue B, right across from it,
you can see Tompkins Square where Hari Krishna Tree is
located. 123 Avenue B is obviously an actual place. 123
Sesame Street is now the fictional location that was used
in the show, but initially it was supposed to be called 123
Avenue. BI told you Elmo Cambo.
In short, it's called Elmo. Doesn't have any connection to
the actual character, but yeah, it's called Elmo.
The terminal one in Haneda Airport is called Big Bird and
Cookie because apparently John Lennon was a big fan of Cookie
Monster so he randomly says Cookie in his song in the Cookie
Monster Voice, which Ringo replicated in his early 1970s
song. And that's my 2 days of the week
gone. Completely into this rabbit hole
and there were at least 30 more articles I read.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is what happens when you are on
very strong painkiller. You know what?
I think that's what happened, yeah.
Oh my God, man, are you OK? I don't think so.
See, I I think I've mentioned on the show before that some of the
best things that have happened in history, not that I'm
recommending this, have happened on drugs.
Stephen King wrote his scariest novels while he was coked up.
Many of the time he can't even remember some of the novels that
he'd written. A lot of artists have consumed
recreational drugs and have produced some of their best work
while on drugs. Not that that's recommended in
any sort. But now, today, in this episode,
you have seen the power of painkillers.
This happened is one of thing. Hopefully I won't be on
painkillers anytime soon so so you won't have to suffer through
this again, but my God I enjoyed this.
So no, no, I'm actually going. No, see, this is really weird,
but dude, this is some of your best work.
This is some of your best work so far.
You hit me out of left field so hard.
Oh my God, I'm not going to recover from this.
This is, I mean, the game has been stepped up.
I can no longer just scoast by without themes or whatever this
is. You made it infinitely more
difficult to do this podcast. I think our listeners would
realize that recently we've been naming our episodes after like,
you know, pop culture references.
There have been there have been random things like that stop,
drop and roll link, though theme things that are, you know, known
phrases. And I was trying to name this
and I was like, you know what? I don't know what to do.
And then at some point I was like, Oh, you know what?
I've not gotten into Sesame Street trivia enough.
So I went down this whole of like, oh, what does Elmo have to
do with stuff? And then I was like, oh, what
does Big Bird have to do? And so this episode, I'm going
to tell you now, is going to be named Elmo, Big Bird, Cookie
Monster. But isn't Elmo named after
saying Elmo? Yeah, yeah, and none of these
are etymologies. Elmo, the club is not.
OK, yeah, no, I got it. I got it.
I'm just clarifying since you went out the rabbit hole anyway.
Yeah. Wow, dude, I have.
I had no clue where you were going with this.
Absolutely no clue where you're going with this.
Wow. And it all started because after
last episode, I had a inkling to go through a list of best Alfred
Hitchcock films. So I I was just going through a
list and seeing what people have recommended, how they've ranked
it. And I came across this
particular list which said that in Rear Window, Grace Kelly has
done some of her best work. OK, obviously I was like, oh,
let me read a little bit more about Grace Kelly's work.
And I opened up Grace Kelly Wikipedia page, which led me to
the film MO Gambo, which I was like, oh, is this MO Gambo is
there? And it just snowballed from
there. Two days later I woke up.
And I don't know which part of Wikipedia I was on, but yeah, I
was translating random Japanese articles just because I was
like, why were there insects and what were these insects doing?
I just wanted to know. That was my weakest trivia, I'll
attest to it. But Big Bird, I had to tie it in
somewhere. So that's where Big Bird came
in. Flight of insects.
I was like, why is this guy talking about flights of
insects? It is interesting actually.
No piece of information is not interesting per SE.
And so they are all like degrees of.
Interesting. Not quantified by the lower AQM.
Yeah, we would not put this in the regular episode, but for
today I had. Oh yes, all.
Right, yes, I'm tired. I think I need painkillers
again, Vineet. I'll let you do the end of it.
Oh no, no, no, you're not off the hook yet.
You have to give us your pop culture.
Recommendations. Oh my Lord, I completely forgot.
OK yeah no I do have some fun pop culture recommendations
because, well, we are talking about Sesame Street and you
know, animals and whatnot. So I watched 2 films recently
and both of them really good. Must check it out.
Bad guys too and Zootopia too. Just so much fun, like absolute
absolute fun. Bad guys too, Zootopia too.
Great films, go check those out, this animal centred animation
hitting a nice emotional chord and you have fun with it.
You know what, since Vineet is taking a few more moments, I'm
going to come back to another film and Vineet ha ha ha.
You know the only one who watches Malayalam cinema because
I watched Echo. Ah yes, finally.
I thought the premise was very interesting.
The setup, it's cinematography is beyond beautiful.
For anybody who's seen the trailer or even seen the poster,
you know that dogs are featured in it.
From whatever I read, there's no CGI involved in it.
So the dogs were actually doing whatever acting, the animal
acting they were doing in the film, and it was executed very
well. So kudos to whoever the animal
trainer was in the film as well. Very good execution.
I just felt they, because it's some sort of a thriller mystery,
I think they put in a lot of red herring.
So there was a lot of fluff added to it to kind of throw you
off the scent, pun intended from a dog perspective, but it made
it a little like it added just unnecessary fact to the film.
If they had trimmed out the fact, I think this would have
been a nine on ten film, at least for me.
It ended up being A7 on 10. But watch it for for a very
interesting storyline, some great performances, some
beautiful cinematography that captured the.
Hills and the fantastic last five seconds.
So yeah, that's what I mean. Like the the the twist did hit
but I feel like along the way they kind of a little bit lost
me with the added on fat of it. Fair enough, fair enough.
I would recommend then that you check out Kalam Kaaval on Sony
Live, which is a Malayalam as usual thriller serial killer
film. It's partially based on the real
life serial killer Cyanide Mohan.
The movie stars Mammootty as the titular serial killer.
Right, right, right, right. When you're reaching the fag end
of your career, very few people want to take risks.
They usually want to cement their legacy.
And that's what practically everybody is doing, whether
Kamalasana Rajinikanth or Amitabh Bachchan or like,
they're not doing anything risky.
Like, you know, the last time you've seen Amitabh Bachchan do
like, a really risky role play something, you know, completely
out of left field. I'll give him props, or I think
that was an interesting choice. Yeah, but power was a good long
while ago. That is true.
Yeah. In the past couple of years,
Mammootty has played a serial killer.
He has played a goblin, a little horror movie goblin.
He has played a gay man. That's another movie.
If you haven't watched it, watch Kadil the Core.
He's played a gay man in that. He's also done some fantastic
bangal masala films also in between.
Unfortunately, not a lot of leading men in any of the Indian
cinema, as far as I know, are playing game.
And so, yeah, props to Mammothy. Yeah, the man is a legend.
And check out Kalam Kaabil on Sony Dev.
OK, And that's all the time we have for this episode.
I would recommend that listeners remember the fact that Aditya
has said that he will be checking out Kalam Kaabil.
So if next week he does not include it in his
recommendation, you know what to do.
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