1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,280 So. My stars welcome back bien Moi 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,680 bien Moi bien. We're going to do this whole 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,040 episode in Spanish, so get your Google Translate on if you're 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,840 tuning in from Australia. And you can't understand what on 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:15,240 earth we're saying. Kidding. 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,040 I have no idea how to speak Spanish. 7 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,320 No, we are doing our best, but we are clearly tourists and. 8 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,360 Every time I keep going to answer in French, My Mercy 9 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,440 people on the street, do you want, do you want so many 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,640 massage, massage on my No Mercy. And that's all as far as they 11 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,040 get. But anyway, we're back. 12 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,000 So we're in Porto. Vallata Puerto Vallata or PV for 13 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,200 short. PV yeah, PV for the locals if 14 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,640 you're in Mexico, but we're here for the next week. 15 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,080 Yeah. No, we're here till Saturday, 16 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,480 then we're going north or South. So we're gonna say Lita? 17 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:49,680 Yeah, I don't know where. It is also it's it's close by. 18 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,960 It's like a 45 minute drive from here and it's a smaller town 19 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,320 again. And it'd be awesome fun. 20 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:55,800 Yeah. So we're having a great time. 21 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,840 We've been in Mexico for two days. 22 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,320 No, we got in yesterday. We got in yesterday so. 23 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,200 How was Jet? Lag one full day. 24 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,080 What was that trip like here now? 25 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,200 'Cause I just was laying down on my bed, on my phone and now all 26 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,360 my eyes are starting to feel heavy. 27 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,480 It was a bit of a wild trip. We went the long route because 28 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,400 when we were going to Australia we stopped in Hawaii and. 29 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,360 We had return flights. A little bit cheaper, but this 30 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,520 time we had to use a return flight, so it was here to 31 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,040 Auckland, which is 4 hours Auckland to Hawaii, which is 8 32 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:30,400 hours. Hawaii, Yeah. 33 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,640 It's 9 1/2, isn't it? Or something like that. 34 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,480 It was long. Long enough and then from Hawaii 35 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,760 to LA we slept for like 4 hours. Which is 5 1/2. 36 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,400 That was a long flight that felt, really. 37 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,440 Long yeah. And then to PV it was another 38 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:54,080 three so a very long flight. But now that we're here it's 39 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,520 very exciting, it's very fun and the food's amazing it's great 40 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,920 whether it's nice and warm. The rest of the you know, the 41 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,840 sorry, the United States is cold at the moment, so being here and 42 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,240 escaping all of that is great. Juicy. 43 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:09,960 Yeah. No, it's good. 44 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,680 And the food is very good. Yeah. 45 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,880 Lots of tacos. The breakfast burrito. 46 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,320 I swear, the breakfast burrito this morning was your general 47 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,960 breakfast burrito without all the heaviness to it. 48 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,760 And instead of having a tortilla wrap, it was definitely a crepe. 49 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:28,360 It was French inspired for sure. Did you like it? 50 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:29,640 I loved it. I thought it was one of the 51 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:31,160 greatest combos I've ever had. Yeah. 52 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,160 It was pretty good. I've been really enjoying the 53 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,480 street tacos, which has been probably the best food we've 54 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,080 had. We've been to a couple of the 55 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,120 restaurants now and and we went to the street tacos when we 56 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,240 first landed and the street tacos Trump. 57 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:50,320 And they're about 1/4 of the price, so that's what I really 58 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,160 love about it. Yeah, it's just like, delicious. 59 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,280 Wild. But darling, you obviously 60 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,240 announced this week, even though we did an episode on it. 61 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,240 Yeah, about the IVF and all of that, Yeah. 62 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,000 How are you feeling after that in the aftermath? 63 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,800 Wow. It was like just a tsunami of 64 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,600 support. I don't know if tsunami is the 65 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,680 right word. It was just like a wave of. 66 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,480 Tsunami is just a bigger wave. But something more. 67 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:19,880 Impactful wave. So much support and love and 68 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,680 I've actually found it really helpful speaking to other people 69 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,040 who have gone through IVF or are doing IVF, I think. 70 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,400 Which is a lot of people. A lot of people DM D me because 71 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,840 a lot of people are going through the struggle privately, 72 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,200 which is totally acceptable and up to them. 73 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,000 But it was nice of them to reach out and say hey, like we're 74 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,640 going through it. We haven't told our family yet 75 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,800 and I feel terrible. So I guess like a lot of those 76 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,480 same emotions that I went through and it's really nice to, 77 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:47,560 yeah, get that support from other people. 78 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,720 And I'm also offer a little bit advice to other people about our 79 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,200 experience. So how do you feel? 80 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,800 I feel good I can talk to people because I've also had plenty of 81 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,040 blokes reach out who've gone through it and who've had 82 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,320 children or share their experience and I'm like, I just 83 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:04,640 feel good being able to talk about it. 84 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,800 I didn't lie, but even though we spoke to each other about it, I 85 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,160 didn't like bottling it up because I felt like every 86 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,560 conversation, when people would ask how you're doing this sort 87 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,480 of lying. Yeah, I agree. 88 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:15,840 Like keeping in the background talk. 89 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,079 About it, but it's just like hard telling people. 90 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:22,120 Well, you you definitely don't want to. 91 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,080 I got sick of having to tell people individually one of like 92 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,600 one after the other after the other and I think that's harder 93 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,680 than just doing the posts and like letting everyone know. 94 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:37,120 Do you walk around now thinking like especially in Brisbane, are 95 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,600 you like walking around going? I wonder if they know now well. 96 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:42,120 Strategically, I did it just before we left. 97 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:43,560 Oh, really? Yeah. 98 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,080 Because I just didn't want to go to the gym. 99 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,960 And like, that's our community of people that we see every day. 100 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:50,640 Yeah. And I don't know, I just. 101 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,000 So you're a daily gym goer just dropping out? 102 00:04:53,280 --> 00:05:00,000 Yep, yeah. I just didn't want to be 103 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:03,920 emotional at the gym, you know? I just don't want to, really. 104 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,600 Yeah. I felt like when I posted it, it 105 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,720 was another emotional day, like reading all the comments and, 106 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,880 like, expressing getting all of it out. 107 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,240 And now I feel better about it. And I feel when I go back, I'll 108 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,720 be ready to actually talk to people in person about it. 109 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,120 Yeah. Do you agree? 110 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,720 But yeah, because when I first announced it, I did go to the 111 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,160 gym, but at a different, like, in the afternoon when it wasn't, 112 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,320 it was quiet. And I was like worried that 113 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,840 people like. Well, I went in with you. 114 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,080 I went in with you, remember? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 115 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,480 So everyone's probably like, did anyone say is what he does? 116 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,240 Nah, no one said anything. Yeah, that I can remember. 117 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,080 Nah, no one did. Well, it's been a massive week. 118 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,640 Obviously emotionally from that point of view, but also then the 119 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,840 flight, I guess the flight and get into Mexico. 120 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:50,400 I'm feeling personally jet lagged lagged. 121 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,840 I can't wait to It's 4/24 as we're recording this, which 122 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:57,120 means in 90 minutes I can go to bed. 123 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,720 Like, without being like an old dude. 124 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,360 All right, I'll push it. Get some dinner first. 125 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,040 Yeah, obviously, and then we're gonna kick it because we got a 126 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,640 big day tomorrow. I got to run 30K in the morning 127 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,520 and then we've got a boat day. Yeah, So I do want a good sleep. 128 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:13,640 Yeah, we'll. Have an early one. 129 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,000 I'm feeling pretty tired too. Well, let's let's answer some of 130 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,800 the questions. So helping us get to know each 131 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,880 other more this week we're gonna keep the theme around the IVF 132 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,680 because last week was, now that we're talking about it with 133 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,400 people, I think we can probably answer questions that we've been 134 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,680 asked or are preparing to answer on here now and we can ask each 135 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,840 other. So get your phone out, darling, 136 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:41,960 because you have the questions. And you can go first because it 137 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:47,280 does say age before beauty. I mean ladies before men. 138 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,680 How has this IVF journey changed the way you see our 139 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:56,240 relationship? Oh, that's a great question. 140 00:06:57,280 --> 00:06:58,760 I feel like I just love you more. 141 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,280 I think I love you more every day because it's like what we're 142 00:07:02,280 --> 00:07:04,400 going through anyway. Like it's just part of life. 143 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:10,200 I don't really think it's I, I do worry about how you take it. 144 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,240 Like I don't. And I think, as I was saying 145 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,080 last week, I worry I, I don't worry. 146 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,880 So I don't like that there's, there's not a solution for us. 147 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,160 Like in terms of IVF is obviously a solution, but 148 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,800 there's nothing that I could, you said it last week, like work 149 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,840 harder to do. Yeah, can definitely shag more, 150 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,960 but that doesn't. No, that doesn't seem to be 151 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:29,560 solving the. Problem. 152 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,160 Yeah. So I feel like when things are 153 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,200 out of my control, I absolutely don't like that. 154 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,520 But in terms of how it's impacted our relationship, I 155 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,800 think it's made us change the way I I think hopefully it's 156 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,520 made it. I think we're stronger, stronger 157 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,680 for sure. I mean, you go through something 158 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:50,440 as heartbreaking and emotionally challenging like this, and it 159 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,040 can either make or break a couple. 160 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,680 And I think it's definitely made us stronger so far. 161 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,280 Yeah, and I don't think either of us are blaming. 162 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,040 Like, I know some people blame people. 163 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,480 I don't feel like we're blamed. It's not like personal. 164 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,000 It's just like a hurdle to overcome. 165 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,800 Yeah, exactly. OK. 166 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,160 Lucky to ask Amy. Here we go. 167 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,920 What has been the hardest part of IVF for you emotionally? 168 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:22,720 So many things where to begin, I think like actually getting to 169 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,200 the decision of Yep, we're going to do IVF was a bit of a shock 170 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,400 for me personally. And a lot of that was to do with 171 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,559 just timing and like our schedules. 172 00:08:32,919 --> 00:08:37,159 So because we don't have anything quote UN quote wrong. 173 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:42,159 The doctor did say that, you know, it probably could happen 174 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:47,240 if we kept trying, but maybe it won't, you know. 175 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,240 And so she was like just with, you know, I said, well, I'm only 176 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,400 in Australia for another, you know, that six month. 177 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:55,720 Period. Six weeks or so, Yeah. 178 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,240 I think we did extend it because of this whole IVF thing as well, 179 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,440 but. Yeah, cats out of the bag. 180 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,640 We were meant to go back in November 4th on November 14, but 181 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:09,040 that's why we extended. Yeah, So I extended the trip and 182 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:10,840 the doctor was like, you know, you're in the here for a short 183 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,320 time. Why don't we just go in 184 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,360 aggressively? You can try all these other 185 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,240 methods that are less effective, or you can just go and try IVF 186 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,680 and just do the most effective method right off the bat, which 187 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:24,880 is also the most expensive. But we made the decision that we 188 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:31,240 were going to do that because we don't have the luxury of time, 189 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:36,200 you know, also like I'm 34 and if we kept trying, which we'd 190 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:37,400 already been trying for two years. 191 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,320 So I'm just like done with that method. 192 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,160 The old fashioned method isn't quite doing it for us. 193 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:48,480 So I was like, let's just do it. But it was a bit of a shock when 194 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,480 she sort of said, OK, we're going to do I think you should 195 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,280 do IVF. I was like, like taking that in 196 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,000 was a big one. And then having to like, knowing 197 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,200 that I had to explain that to everybody was a hard one when 198 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:01,280 they didn't even know we were trying. 199 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,480 Yeah, I think one of the things I observe for you is like, you 200 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,960 like the element of surprise, so not being able to have that 201 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,240 surprise because now everyone knows, even though I think it 202 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,720 will still be a surprise, it's just that people know we're 203 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,560 trying. Yeah, I always just wanted to 204 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,400 have that, I don't know, exciting, cute Instagram moment 205 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,560 as well. Like first of all, foremost like 206 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:27,480 surprising the family, but then also to like share with all of 207 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,680 you guys. And I always imagined it to be 208 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:31,920 so different. But it still will be great. 209 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,040 It will be, but I think it'll be different to how I originally 210 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,200 wanted it. Well, life doesn't get a plan. 211 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,080 I think you'll still you'll still make it cool. 212 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,040 He never does. Especially for me, for some 213 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,320 reason, yeah. Anything like anything. 214 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:46,960 Because you're a resilient motherfucker. 215 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,360 If you imagine life a certain way, just like, don't because. 216 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,080 Don't listen to me today. Don't. 217 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,520 That's not a good message. Everyone's like, I hear my 218 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:57,040 friends talking about birth plans and like, oh, what's your 219 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,560 plan? And for me, I think what's the 220 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:03,520 point of having a birth plan? It's not going to go that way. 221 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,920 I think for people, it's just Peace of Mind. 222 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,440 I think that's why we always have relative plans for Peace of 223 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:11,600 Mind. But you're on to the next 224 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:16,560 question, OK? How do you think going through 225 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:18,280 IVF has made? Oh, we already asked that. 226 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:23,760 I'm going to the next question. If you could turn any part of 227 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,840 the IVIVF process into a comedy sketch, what would it be about? 228 00:11:29,560 --> 00:11:34,720 Probably what I said last week. No, I, I've. 229 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,200 Got one can. I answer it. 230 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:38,440 Yeah, Amy can answer I I'm reading. 231 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,720 Your questions. What are you doing, bro? 232 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,000 All right, I'm answering this question because I have an 233 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:44,720 answer. Yeah. 234 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:49,680 And it would be that we'd go through this IBF process, pay 235 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:52,920 all this money, all this heartache, and then we fall 236 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:57,400 pregnant here in Mexico. Wait, so we're trying in Mexico? 237 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,040 Well, it's really delayed, so it probably would happen. 238 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:04,440 I'm making a comedy sketch so and then turns out it's 239 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,520 quadruplets. I don't know it's it's octuplets 240 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:13,400 and I become the next Octomom. Well, let's hope that is just a 241 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,640 comedy sketch. That would be freaking wild. 242 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,080 That would be insanely wild. All right, well, Amy, if you 243 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,040 could now ask me one again. We'll start here. 244 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:22,880 Number two there. I. 245 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,880 Can't read? What's one piece of advice you'd 246 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:34,680 give someone just starting IVF? Support your wife. 247 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,840 That's all I've got to say. I think talk about it with you 248 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,200 don't have to put it on social media, but I said this last 249 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,680 week, I always find talking about things helps massively. 250 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:49,640 Otherwise you like bottle it up and then your head over thinks 251 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,560 things and then I, you know, get frustrated or resentful and then 252 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:55,240 that can and. You also have to like come up 253 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,720 with so many lies, like why you have to go to, why you have to 254 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,840 leave, especially when we're under one roof in the Shepherd 255 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,280 household. There's no secrets. 256 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,080 So it's like, why? What appointment are you going 257 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:06,280 to? How long will you be? 258 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,600 And Amy's leaving Mexico early as well. 259 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,560 Yeah, absolutely. But Mexico early for an 260 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:14,040 appointment. So yeah, there's just no hiding 261 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,280 it. Yeah, none at all. 262 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,560 My turn. You've already answered that 263 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:21,200 one. What's something unexpected 264 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,040 you've learned about me during this process? 265 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:32,840 I like this question. So we unexpected, yeah, you were 266 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,240 able to come in cup. I didn't think I was that 267 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:37,800 accurate. Like that's pretty wild. 268 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,240 Like if you look at a cup that's that's like shooting A3 pointer. 269 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:46,560 My God, it's like the funniest part. 270 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,840 I guess there's not a lot of humour in IBF, but that's one 271 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,520 thing you can laugh about. Yeah, my expense. 272 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:52,960 I had to go through that. That was brutal. 273 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:58,000 I'm kidding. All right, if you could design 274 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,400 the perfect relaxation day for us during this process, what 275 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:08,480 would it look like? Oh, it would be waking up in 276 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:15,400 like a staycation somewhere, going for a nice like swim, 277 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,720 let's say it's coastal, going for a swim at the beach, having 278 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,680 a lovely brunch and then having a day spa. 279 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:29,240 Like the two hour massage, not just a 30 minute, 2 hour couples 280 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,120 massage. And maybe they go on to, like, 281 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,720 scrub your body and, you know, wipe you down with hot towels. 282 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,840 That's what else like Puerto Vallada, you don't want to get a 283 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,960 massage. There's a few interesting 284 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,240 massage parlours about. They're literally like, it feels 285 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,480 like you're in Thailand where I'm worried I would not be able 286 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,320 to relax here getting a massage because I'd be waiting for 287 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,560 little surprise, little surprise. 288 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,160 And I don't particularly want a little surprise. 289 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,920 So I'm gonna ask two in a row because you did as well. 290 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,640 Because I like this next one. What's something? 291 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,000 Hold on. Hold on, hold on. 292 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,680 Oh, damn it. I was reading your question. 293 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:14,760 I thought it was a good one. How has our support system, 294 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:16,880 friends, family played a role in this journey? 295 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:23,000 I think now that they're allowed to support us, they've been 296 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,640 incredible. I think, yeah, I'm. 297 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,520 I just don't know how we would ever do it without them, really, 298 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,120 now that they're here on the journey. 299 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,400 Good. And I just think also, like all 300 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,960 about fans and followers have been amazing. 301 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,360 And yeah, that's something that's really helped me through. 302 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,080 Love it, love it. I got one more because I want 303 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,320 to. I'm on a roll with questions. 304 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,080 What's the weirdest or funniest thing you've googled during this 305 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,720 IVF journey? And I assume that means like 306 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,120 around IVF, not just random shit. 307 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:03,080 Oh I don't know, there's so many things I'm always Googling about 308 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,560 IVF. Just trying to think off the top 309 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:10,560 of my head. Weirdest things googled a lot 310 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:17,400 about like terminology because they tell you and you like I've 311 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,240 actually I learned it in biology class, but you like what's a 312 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:24,200 blastocyst and like what days you have to get scans and 313 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,520 there's so much to learn. OK, but the funniest thing I 314 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:27,880 don't know but. Nothing. 315 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,680 Amy just was resorting. She just was Google for a 316 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:31,080 moment. What? 317 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,600 Have you googled? I haven't googled anything. 318 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,400 Oh my God, all I do is IVF research. 319 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,680 Yeah, but you, you are you like we'll get into bed and then 320 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,160 you'll sort of give me a bit of a rundown occasionally. 321 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,560 Yeah. I don't know, there's not much a 322 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,440 bloat. Like, once again, I can learn 323 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,240 for support and I read all the stuff when we went into the 324 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:51,480 meetings and everything like that. 325 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:55,000 But I was just yeah, yeah, I did the injections, but I I read 326 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,840 about the things that I was needed to do. 327 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,000 But other things I'm not just like curious about it to be 328 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,280 honest, where I was like more Googling how to come in a cup 329 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:04,960 and things like that did. You Google? 330 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,560 No, I just wrote. That's enough. 331 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,040 Let's move on to your Reddit story. 332 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,079 I've got it up for you. I think we should definitely 333 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:16,680 move on, OK. So this Reddit story is also 334 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,400 related to IVF seeing as we're on the topic. 335 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:23,520 It says my fiance states he would divorce me if we couldn't 336 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,760 have children and I don't know what to think. 337 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,560 My boyfriend and I recently got engaged. 338 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,640 We've had our ups and downs, but for the most part we are on the 339 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,240 same page with what we want in our life. 340 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,680 Both of us hold successful careers and we also want to be 341 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:41,160 present, dedicated parents. We are in complete agreement 342 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,280 that we want at least two biological children. 343 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,120 Neither of us are open to sperm, egg donors, surrogacy, and 344 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:48,400 adoption. IVF is fine. 345 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,080 Just a word of warning to this person, life never goes the way 346 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:58,520 you want it, OK? We've had several discussions 347 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,800 where my partner states that if we try to have children, it 348 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,880 doesn't happen in timely manner. One to two years he would 349 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,280 divorce me and find a younger woman who could fulfill his 350 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,320 dreams of being a father. Naturally, this makes me sick to 351 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,760 my stomach. I acknowledge that fatherhood is 352 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,320 important to him and I would absolutely do anything in my 353 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,520 power to ensure our chances are as good as they can be. 354 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,760 But if fate sees fit to not give us children despite our best 355 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,840 effort, I would. It would feel horrible to be 356 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,160 discarded. I feel like I'm about to marry 357 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,760 someone who values me just for my uterus and what that part of 358 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:36,680 my anatomy can provide him. This is the point I was going to 359 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,240 make. She said if we discovered 360 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,880 somehow that my part my partner was infertile, I would not leave 361 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,960 him. I believe in the in sickness and 362 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,440 in health. I chose to be with him because I 363 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,880 value our relationship. And she goes on and on. 364 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:57,400 But thoughts? Well, first thoughts is I'm with 365 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,320 her through thickness and I think like you get it. 366 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:05,880 I even if we have kids, I still think you'd put the relationship 367 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,440 first, as much as that sounds selfish. 368 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:12,360 Like I think I married you for you, not just to have kids. 369 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:14,520 I kid that that would be the cherry on top. 370 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,840 So regardless of which way it goes, it's like, I still love 371 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,080 you and I still have fun with that. 372 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,960 Like, yeah. And there's so much that life 373 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,880 has to offer other than having kids. 374 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:28,560 You know, there's travel. There's more travel. 375 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,440 No, like I would just, well, that's spend all our money on us 376 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,080 and like live. In a mansion, yeah, you would 377 00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:36,720 you would figure that out, like, and some people don't want 378 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:37,640 children. That's fine. 379 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:43,400 So I just think if you put all the onus on your wife without 380 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,080 taking any responsibility, you're an. 381 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:46,240 Absolutely. You're already stressing her 382 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,160 out. You're a really bad. 383 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,200 For fertility, so I if you're saying that like. 384 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,760 There's probably. A heap of other issues as well. 385 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,120 Yeah, straight up, that's a big. Also, yeah, what what makes him 386 00:19:56,120 --> 00:19:57,520 think that his sperm's so perfect? 387 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,200 Because it's a lot of people think that it's mostly women 388 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,520 that are the infertile, but it's actually 5050. 389 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,200 Flip that. That's like, yeah, that's heads 390 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,280 or tails right there. It's heads or tails. 391 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:11,560 Yeah, infertility. It is 5050 so so. 392 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,120 Check yourself before you rec. Yourself come in a cup and check 393 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:17,240 your own sperm, okay? Because and if you can hit the 394 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,240 cup, you might be, that's also a 5050% chance too. 395 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,880 All right, ladies and gentlemen, Well, that was a good story this 396 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,200 week and thank you guys. If you have more questions, 397 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:32,000 remember message us on Instagram, join Amy and Patreon. 398 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,360 You can check all of that out there. 399 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,760 So if you listen to last week's episode, I've been talking about 400 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,560 a song that I wrote about infertility. 401 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,600 I've been trying to post it but for some reason I don't know if 402 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,160 the internet's not good. Or Internet sucks here, I can't 403 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,360 even send an iMessage. So I'm sorry, I'm trying to get 404 00:20:46,360 --> 00:20:48,240 it to you. Hopefully at our next hotel, the 405 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:49,640 internet's a bit better, and I will. 406 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,560 Post I think we have Starlink at the next one so oh good, Elon 407 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,200 Musk is reliable so that would be great. 408 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,840 Yeah, so I'll be posting it there 1st to Patreon. 409 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,400 So if you guys are listening and you want to join, it's at Amy 410 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,200 Shepherd Pie patreon.com slash. Like the shepherd pie. 411 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,560 Cool. Alright, as always.