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Welcome back to the translator 
to Civic report. 

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It's May 17, 2023 and we are 
reporting for the news of May 

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15th to May 21st. 
You want to make sure you're 

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informed about the current 
legislation. 

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We believe that being informed 
is essential to understanding 

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the challenges facing our 
communities. 

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We want to make sure you have 
the right tools to prepare for 

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any kind of conversation. 
You may need to have with your 

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loved ones about what this means
to you and how it Tax our 

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communities this week Athena for
Marcus and no review Cannon, sit

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with our correspondent from the 
Transformations project. 

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Elliott Ellen, I'm Caroline 
Penny creator and producer of 

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the trans there to podcast. 
And I wanted to take this time 

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prior to our conversation with 
alien and talk personally about 

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what we're doing here in the 
Civic report, the translator of 

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pod. 
Trans- silver component is an 

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important resource that aims to 
educate the public and promote 

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diversity, equity and inclusion.
We believe that everyone has the

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right to be informed. 
And that access to accurate. 

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And unbiased information is 
essential for a functioning 

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democracy, our report explores, 
the rise of fascism, and how it 

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compares to democracy, as well 
as how to dissect misinformation

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and tackle the onslaught of the 
anti translations, which being 

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proposed, we are a proud partner
with the Transformations 

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project. 
A trans LED nonprofit that 

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tracks anti-trans legislation 
being proposed voted on and 

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passed in the United States. 
Their work is essential to 

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understanding the challenges 
facing the trans community. 

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I'm promoting equity and Justice
through meaningful conversation 

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and Community engagement. 
We hope to Foster dialogue that 

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promotes understanding and 
empathy and I'm really excited 

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to have this opportunity now 
with you Elliott. 

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Personally to to sit with you on
the translator called the cast 

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are sweetly Civic, reported and 
just first. 

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Thank you, personally, and thank
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to have this collaboration. 
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misinformation, And so much 
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are activists and Advocates. 
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what's happening in the world 
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emotion because we need, we need
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know where do we look even on 
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accurate and non-biased 
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It's always angled something. 
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to just ensure that we're 
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this country accurately and and 
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I think I think respectfully is 
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lacking in in media. 
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you here from the 
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before you get started with 
Athena and Noah, I wanted to ask

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you a little bit about how you 
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Transformations project and what
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of course. 
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project. 
Walk around a year ago, I had 

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extra time to join nonprofit and
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about tfp right when they're not
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definitely on the smaller side 
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team. 
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Tick Tock in YouTube and we have
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narrative podcast, sort of break
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Showcase some of the legislation
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passed the United States. 
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butter of the Transformations 
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That is all that we do and all 
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since it's a start of 2023, 
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So, keeping up with that, 
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of anti-trans Is bills being 
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to keeping people educated and 
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You know, Elliot when we, when I
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only me, and one of the things 
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to hear the stories of people 
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Like them tick with that 
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That was a really the goal. 
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that and I think that we've 
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the things that I struggled with
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balancing it with information 
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meaningful to me. 
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episode of the show, talked 
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And that was kind of the fuel 
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because in January of 2022, I 
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didn't know what to do, but when
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that, I wasn't as informed, I 
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crisis, I wasn't, you know, I 
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the time and so when I found 
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And so, to be here a year and a 
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organization that provides the, 
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legislations. 
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And I'm very grateful that 
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Before you jump into your 
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conversation with Athena and 
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done for Of these. 
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what has been your experience? 
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learned that be kind of enhance 
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Transformations project? 
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And it also just sort of helped 
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really important to get the news
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and it's many different mediums 
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something on Instagram. 
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videos or some people want to 
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whatever format people want to 
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to keeping the fight going and 
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new medium for me and being able
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You had mentioned the 
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will mention, I guessed that, 
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to an end here and that is the 
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organization. 
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continue to fight during the off
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And what will you be doing to 
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So during the off period, 
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can do, and that will be 
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supporting the trans non-binary.
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their and our issues and 
realities learning from reliable

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sources and listening to 
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intersex individual in the 
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Also speaking up and taking 
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obeah cisnormativity in or 
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stereotypes and misinformation. 
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and or joining campaigns and 
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during the offseason. 
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to provide practical support for
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who might be struggling or in 
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offseason. 
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So before so this week we have a
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report, can you provide us a 
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this week that you'll be 
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focusing a lot on 
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oppression that we are facing. 
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accessibility to Health Care 
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also the mental health and 
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Well, with that being said, I 
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let it sit there like you did so
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Thank you. 
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It's not a competition Athena. 
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collaboration and you did a 
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So I'm saying thank you. 
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with the Trans narrative 
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correspondence, Noah Buchanan 
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you're here to bring us today. 
Some news about the legislation 

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that's been coming through. 
Thank you very much for joining 

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is to focus on legislation with 
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the intersex community and trans
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intersectionality. 
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backing up gender, affirming 
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communities. 
How are y'all doing today? 

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I'm doing wonderful. 
How about yourself? 

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Excellent doing excellent. 
I'm self. 

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And knowing you feeling, well 
I'm I'm getting there. 

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Aren't we all now the 
legislative weather might not be

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as good this week so what news 
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I have a couple bills, Oklahoma 
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Healthcare, providing to be a 
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is your run-of-the-mill bathroom
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Which as we all know, both these
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Human Rights and civil liberties
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of violence and suicide. 
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there's been a huge flood of 
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non-binary communities. 
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It's been difficult to kind of 
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And Noah you've been putting 
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people keep these these 
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keep our finger on the pulse 
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Really at the end of the day is,
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attention to what's going on and
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other and to lift each other up 
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And that's essentially what I 
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is so filled with hate and 
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There's like week zero light of 
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have that more than ever now. 
So the resources that I am 

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building, I am building 
interactive maps to try to get 

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people to look at things 
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Hey like this is What is really 
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This is what is there, so people
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I'm one of those type of people 
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I not one of those people that 
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It's like, It just brings grad 
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almost done with my grad school 
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avoid like going down that route
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It's like I want to give people 
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actually do something because if
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in the news already, hearing is 
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and like it's impacting our 
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significantly. 
I mean it's impact are impacting

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our use. 
What was it like this? 

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Since survey from the Trevor 
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children are getting negatively 
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That's be able to provide ways 
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Yes, there's all this bad stuff 
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keep that motivation to fight 
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So that we, that way, we can get
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of, you know, just leaving, 
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not doing anything we need to 
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Other up and that's essentially 
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these Maps. 
But also in a sense, remind our 

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siblings and the lgbtqia+ that 
we need to be united. 

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We can't be divided enough with 
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We need to unite right now 
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light, like make it was 
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Like, there's just a wave of 
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and right now, we can't afford 
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lots of different places and 
really just making sure that you

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can understand where you're at 
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that you know, your support 
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community and to help understand
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concrete ways to survive, say 
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bathroom bill, Ban like where 
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see on the ground floor, Elliot 
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about how that might affect you 
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transgender people in Florida. 
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physical safety, it's not like 
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in a huge way for using bathroom
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oppose transgender intersex, 
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justice justice. 
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heavy air quotes and also 
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the rights and dignity, it 
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central and affirming services 
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anxiety, suicidal ideation even 
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trans, non-binary and intersex 
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foundations of the World Health,
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that there are positive benefits
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denying the ability for 
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Since to make their own choices,
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multiple States. 
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governor's desk, to prevent 
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under the age of 18 as well. 
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impacting people and different 
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bathroom level is right. 
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lot of people that are going to 
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protesting and in ways like this
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health of people People in 
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intersex or non-binary is going 
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neighbors, valuations of them? 
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that isn't necessarily as robust
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that you're aware of what 
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And, I know you do have that map
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and will provide that link in 
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in Black indigenous, people of 
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Presentation, could experience 
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support. 
Is there any other way that we 

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can find ways to reach out and 
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today? 
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Well, I will tell you right now,
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developing kind of like a peer 
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last stages of my master's 
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actually going to school to 
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clinical counselor. 
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November. 
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actually have to accrue group 
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found a loophole to where the 
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provider, we have to practice, 
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clients in her State. 
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like a general, like, peer 
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see anyone in any. 
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trying to put together. 
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support group for lgbtqia+ 
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group for lgbtqia+ use plus, an 
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parents for Trans use or 
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read the recent one but they 
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and they only said 35% of the 
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at home. 
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that newts are receiving as 
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school I would say start their 
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that's how we're going to 
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Because I've always said this, 
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mess-up, it only takes one 
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One mess-up to create a stigma 
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stigma is by educating and 
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stat side. 
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don't really like to show the 
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I would like to make pamphlets 
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hey, like did you know actually 
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safe at home? 
What your check this out? 

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This is a way that you can 
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Empower you use. 
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adults as well because there are
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passing privilege to where they 
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into a public State space. 
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solution is going to have to be,
we gotta bring Community 

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together, we gotta support each 
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and that Something that I am 
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network by building chapters, 
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groups within our chapters in 
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trans women up there, so I just 
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youth need mentors, they need 
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getting that support at home, 
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Kind of help step in and like, 
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to talk to Something like that. 
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solution. 
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to get together and, you know, 
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because apparently people don't 
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country, it's bubble. 
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but education is going to be our
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and in Missouri even where they 
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opposing gender, affirming care.
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cannot restrict the free speech 
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Didn't care. 
So we still have the ability to 

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show respect to the people that 
we love and we still have the 

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ability to address people as 
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addressed. 
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they're trying to restrict 
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levels in Florida? 
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prevent nurse practitioners, 
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which is I think I heard about 
83 percent of the care. 

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Provided LED have any more 
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that's been progressing, I don't
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specific bill but lots of very 
similar bills have been coming 

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out. 
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as a good way to put it. 
There's been a lot of easy ways 

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for these legislators to block, 
gender forming Health Care. 

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They don't need to just do an 
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coverage specially for Medicare 
and Medicaid, that is an easy 

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way for them to block it. 
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trained and experienced 
providers, lack of cultural 

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competence, sensitivity and 
refusal to care due to bias or 

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beliefs, not having any 
protections about that severely 

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limits. 
How gender affirming Healthcare 

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can be distributed. 
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access to gender forming health 
care for minors or allow 

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discrimination based on gender 
identity or even making changing

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your name difficult or gender 
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That also creates this stigma 
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to harassment violence 
internalized, transphobia and 

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just self-doubt with the 
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Being able to advocate for more 
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insurance coverage and policies 
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state. 
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fantastic way to help ensure 
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Health. 
Care can stay accessible also, 

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If there's a way to legislate 
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accessibility of providers who 
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providing such health care, 
whether they have specific, 

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education, training mentor, hit 
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And or if they even provide it 
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mandating that training and 
competence is another way that 

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we can sort of help make sure 
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accessible and available. 
Also Apologies. 

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No, go ahead. 
Yeah, simplifying. 

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And standardizing the process 
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healthcare and even changing 
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official documents across the 
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That is such a huge barrier that
a lot of people have it the 

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process to get hormones or 
puberty blockers or even change 

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your name, it varies wildly 
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at and places such as Mara. 
Island. 

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You can make your gender marker 
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No questions asked other places.
There are legal, loopholes you 

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have to require. 
They require having surgeries or

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living in the identity for x 
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Psychiatrist note, it 
complicates it and makes it 

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difficult, especially if you are
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whole different games depending 
on where you're at. 

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And I absolutely end with some 
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passed, just to increase the 
demand, that's on Mental Health 

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Care Providers. 
It does mean that there will be 

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a need for higher awareness and 
training in those positions to 

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you know. 
And that's a little bit of a 

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positive spin for people will 
have to be a little bit more 

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aware to take care of the people
who are required to seek this 

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kind of support. 
I know I've heard some people 

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saying that if you can found a 
support group doing In that 

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hour, long training for some of 
those bills that would require 

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it in that support group is a 
helpful way to make sure that 

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you don't feel singled out. 
Or if you don't feel like, 

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you've got a single person, 
who's going to be providing 

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affirming care for you in the 
way that you want? 

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But yeah, seeking out those 
those other groups and making 

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sure that the groups that you do
have and maintain are accessible

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to as many people as possible. 
Drew, you know, Telehealth and 

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through making it, you know, 
visually accessible as well as 

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audibly accessible. 
Whatever ways that you can. 

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So it is mental health awareness
month and do we have any other 

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ways that we could help our 
listeners who might be 

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struggling with the feelings 
that things are coming very 

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rapidly against them or feelings
that they might be excluded or 

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feel left out from their 
communities? 

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Yeah, like we mentioned before. 
Oh, go ahead. 

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Oh no, I'm sorry, I didn't mean 
to interrupt, you know, you're 

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good. 
I think we had a slight lag, 

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like we mentioned before, 
providing the training and 

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education for mental health. 
Providers on the specific needs 

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and experiences of trans 
non-binary, intersex, 

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individuals, and also best 
practice standards of care. 

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That is a huge thing, but on a 
smaller more personal level 

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being able to create safe and 
supportive. 

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Places for these individuals, 
whether it's lgbtqia+ friendly 

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clinics, or online platforms 
just having a safe space, 

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whether it is a classroom that 
you teach in or a house where 

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your kids can have their friends
come over, it's integral for 

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mental health. 
Support in home amongst your 

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peers, amongst your community 
can help with Problems. 

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Such as the anxiety, depression 
and suicidal ideation in ways 

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that you wouldn't even believe, 
especially in states, where the 

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legislation is not on their 
side. 

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Absolutely and know that you 
have some something else to add 

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to that as well. 
Well, this speaking has a mental

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health provider. 
I mean there's a lot wrong with 

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mental health, in general. 
Like, I mean, if you put like, 

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kind of our issues to decide, I 
mean we have people already that

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don't even want to go to therapy
at all, because there's an 

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existing stem stigma within our 
field and it's constantly 

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getting reinforced. 
So, honestly, I agree. 

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Mental health is a central, it's
needed. 

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But I mean, mental health and 
itself, we need to do better but

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then our work and I know you 
mentioned competency That is the

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big key thing right there 
because in our ethical codes, it

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requires us to be confident if 
we're not confident on 

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something. 
We're supposed to take a step 

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back. 
If we don't do that, then I 

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guess we're not going to be able
to practice therapy because like

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that is a big key component when
it comes to doing any type of 

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therapy. 
And my thing with competency, I 

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can't speak for every University
but I can at least speak on 

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behalf of mine. 
Is that they don't offer 

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lgbtqia+ training for their 
best. 

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They bring it up maybe a couple 
times and Multicultural 

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counseling human sexuality. 
We talked about lgbtqia+ issues 

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for week, no books. 
We just had to read articles 

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like it really wasn't effective 
at all. 

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So like, I mean, it really, 
honestly, if it was for me, when

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it comes to mental health, I 
need we need to advocate for 

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education to be in these 
programs in these counseling 

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programs. 
I mean, For me, I wouldn't even 

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consider just it. 
I would take it a step further 

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with just having it as a 
specialization, but like it to 

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have that stuff there and her 
education as mental health 

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providers. 
I think it would definitely 

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reduce the amount of people like
the hesitancy of wanting to come

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to counseling because we didn't 
have that knowledge. 

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But if you want to go there on 
the stages of Competency, one 

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thing that I have learned as a 
therapist, is the simply if you 

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really don't know, No, just 
simply say you don't know, like 

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I have a client that I'm working
with that. 

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There's some things I really 
have zero clue about what the 

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hell it is. 
So I essentially just ask the 

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clients like, tell me more about
that. 

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What is happening to you? 
So simply even just like, asking

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those questions. 
Both of us can learn as a 

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therapist as a client, we need 
to be reinforcing in the field 

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of mental health, and advocating
that we need to show 

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compassionate and care to these 
clients. 

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Because I know most of you 
probably have seen what's going 

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on in the build, it affects 
Mental Health, Providers to like

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in some of these bills, it 
actually gives us permission to 

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deny trans people. 
If it goes against our religious

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and moral beliefs, it gives us 
that for permission. 

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There's people trying to promote
conversion therapy, practice it.

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We need to be advocating more 
that conversion therapy needs to

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be banned. 
So like that is something that 

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we need to do and mental health 
we need to Step up as healthcare

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providers. 
Tell people that the stuff is 

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unethical. 
And finally, Dan like, at least 

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conversion therapy, because 
that's, that's the problem right

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now? 
And that sounds kind of point 

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and no worries. 
That's one good pinpoint. 

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You can put on your map for 
Kansas City. 

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They did say that the county 
will be banning conversion 

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therapy as part of their their 
policy. 

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So there are some other ways 
great that are great ways to be 

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Advocates and whatever position 
you are. 

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I mean, all I do is customize, 
For service, but every time I 

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talk to somebody, I respect who 
they are, and who they say they 

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are and with pronouns that they 
use coming to people without 

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biases or preconceived notions. 
That does a lot to, you know, a 

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grant people at least the 
freedom to be beyond your own 

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Prejudice. 
That might be built in. 

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Are there any other programs or 
initiatives? 

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You'd like to discuss from the 
Transformations project then 

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guarding the mental health then 
Yeah, we don't have any specific

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programs in terms of mental 
health, although we are 

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incredibly incredibly aware of 
the detriment that the 

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anti-trans legislation can have 
every podcast episode. 

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We offer Mental Health Resource 
at the end because it is So 

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important to focus on the voices
and the struggles of trans 

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non-binary intersect 
individuals, because we need to 

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empower people like us. 
So that our struggles can be 

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hurt. 
Absolutely, that's why I want to

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put this project together so 
that our voices are kind of 

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heard as one not just as a, you 
know, a one-off so to speak or a

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token is It's kind of 
representation but I'll be kind 

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of together on the same Pages. 
We can sort of bypass a lot of 

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you know assumptions that people
will have to work through really

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hard on a day-to-day level. 
And so just having a voice for 

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everybody, can feel comfortable 
together is often a safe 

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project. 
It's a wait, it's a project to 

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help people feel safe and 
expressing themselves and where 

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they might not otherwise or to 
develop the language and skills 

536
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that they might need to use to 
have those You today 

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conversations. 
So we want to make sure that we 

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include, you know, trans 
non-binary and intersex 

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individuals in our thoughts, you
know, before anything else 

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before we say, write up a paper 
or maybe generalize anything 

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about who were talking to, I 
like the word folks myself. 

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So you folks have been excellent
at sharing the resources with us

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today. 
Some of the legislation, we have

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another major Ager bills that we
need to cover on this Elliot. 

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I know other major bills to 
speak of however, that does not 

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mean that bills are not being 
passed. 

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The Transformations project, we 
keep traffic of the into trans 

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legislation in the United States
at local state and federal 

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levels. 
So, I would highly recommend 

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viewers and listeners to go to 
Transformations, project.org 

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check on their state, check on 
the state of their friends and 

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00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:13,400
educate themselves about the 
realities of trans gender 

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non-binary. 
Or sex issues. 

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That was thanks so much for 
sitting down with us this week, 

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Elliot, with Noah and Cena. 
It was a pleasure. 

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And before we hop off, I want to
thank the listeners for joining 

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in this week. 
To the translator of podcast, 

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podcast. 

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That being said, Elliot could 
you give us a little context to 

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what we can look forward to in 
our next Civic report? 

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Of course, and now that the 
legislative cycle has been dying

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down, we will be focusing on the
Fallout of what has been 

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happening and how we can prepare
for the next legislative cycle 

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00:34:01,300 --> 00:34:05,300
the spike and anti-trans 
legislation has opened a lot of 

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00:34:05,308 --> 00:34:09,400
legislators eyes to what bills 
do pass, what bills work and 

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what bills don't. 
So this next cycle I predict 

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will be more Insidious as They 
will be able to take what works 

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and roll with it and cut out 
what doesn't work. 

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So we'll be focusing on that 
what we can do to keep educating

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and advocating during this time 
and how to prepare for the next 

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legislative cycle. 
Stephen. 

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