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Hello and welcome to the Kappa 
Podcast. 

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My name is Matt. 
I'm the Senior Practitioner for 

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Kappa First Response and I'm 
joined today as ever by our 

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Founder and CEO, Jane Griffiths.
Hi, Jane. 

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Hey Matt, how you doing? 
So lovely to be here with. 

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You with me face to face. 
I know in your lovely flat 

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sunny. 
It's a rare treat, isn't it? 

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Fantastic. 
It you know what, It is a rare 

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treat. 
Yeah, I think it. 

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It's so lovely to be together to
record this. 

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Yeah, I agree. 
I agree, it already feels a lot 

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more real. 
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Yeah. 
So this series is going to be 

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slightly different to what we've
done previously, isn't it? 

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Do you want to say a little bit 
about about why we're doing this

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series to begin with? 
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Well, I mean, I guess our 
previous series that we we've 

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thought about, we've sort of 
been in conversation with or 

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we've been zooming and and 
speaking to particular people 

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about particular issues. 
This one is really designed for 

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families who feel a bit more 
isolated, whether that be via 

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location or through 
circumstances and their 

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experience, feel like they're 
unable to talk to people. 

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And we wanted to provide 
something that families could 

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access 24/7 regardless of their 
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I also think it's really 
important to say that East 

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Sussex local authority sort of 
really commissioned us to do 

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this because they really wanted 
to support families living in 

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those rural outlying areas who 
found it really, really 

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difficult to get support. 
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guess if we were to sit, Matt, 
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our top five or six strategies, 
we're sort of aiming to to sort 

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of think about those strategies 
for families, aren't we? 

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That's what the series is going 
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Yeah. 
So it's, it's a little bit more,

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it's going to be a little bit, I
mean, I think hopefully all, all

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of our podcasts have been 
useful, but this is a bit more, 

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something a bit more tangible, a
bit more solid that people can 

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use and put into practise. 
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We're not thinking about, you 
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aren't for about us 
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is. 
This is really let's go, what's 

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the support that we offer to 
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Yeah. 
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that these are like probably 5 
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that we, we know are useful to 
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that we work with. 
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to say that nothing works all of
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And there isn't one thing that 
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single family. 
And if even if it works for that

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family, it doesn't mean that 
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time. 
So it's just important that we 

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say that at the at the top, I 
think to say these are all ideas

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that, you know, have a listen, 
keep it in mind. 

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Hopefully you think I'm going to
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But even if you think it's not 
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feel quite right. 
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about the idea behind it. 
And even if you don't action 

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anything from it, you can think 
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useful and why it might be 
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And hopefully there's some use 
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Yeah. 
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reminder that all of our work 
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families is tailored and 
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You know, we speak to families 
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them in their home and we can, 
you know, it could be that we 

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don't talk about any of these 
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we've found out is these 
strategies come into our support

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at some point for families. 
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there listening to this and 
maybe think I can't, I can't get

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on board with what Matt, I can't
get on board with what that that

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strategy that you've spoken 
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But I can really get on board 
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And we we anticipate that and 
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I think what's important as well
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and all everything we're going 
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series, it's not necessary. 
It's not going to do any harm. 

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It's all about it's all 
relationship building. 

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And that's only a positive 
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You may see things and we'll 
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of the episodes that we're going
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know, what can happen if 
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different. 
My child has noticed something 

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different. 
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So, and we will we'll sort of 
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I think it's Episode 2 when 
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Lanning. 
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about why we're doing it and you
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going to be covering, but it's 
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little bit different from our 
other podcasts, right? 

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Yep, Yeah. 
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been us chatting, hasn't it, And
having conversations. 

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this, which will look a little 
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of every episode. 
We'll have a little explanation 

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around what we're doing. 
You know, this isn't about 

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explaining why this happens, 
because we've done that. 

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This is about sharing those 
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them with a family. 
So we're doing it separately. 

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So I'm going to be presenting 
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3 strategies and you're going to
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support 3 strategies. 
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So they won't have that 
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And I think that that's going to
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people will see. 
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hopefully will make it a little 
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follow along. 
It's not you're not listening to

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a conversation like you're 
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You're listening to us giving 
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know, in a session if, you know,
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and and kind of telling you why 
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what what the background is to 
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Is there anything else we've 
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I think we, I don't think we 
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Hopefully we can just let's do 
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Let's go. 
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Let's get into it. 
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we're going to be talking a bit 
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about safety planning. 
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Why is this important? 
Listen, you know, safety 

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planning is really helpful for 
any family that we're supporting

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because, you know, a child who 
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aggressive and, or harmful 
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parent, they've created a 
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keeps them safe. 
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tweaks to changing your 
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that narrative's going to be 
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going to feel threatened. 
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happen for that. 
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for us to consider safety 
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a bit scary, but we'll we'll 
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little bit and what what that 
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really helpful. 
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exhaustive list, isn't it? 
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safety planning, it's things to 
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yeah, yeah. 
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So should we get into it? 
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I am here to introduce the idea 
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Why is safety planning 
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Why is it helpful? 
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Well, it can feel really 
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needing a safety plan in your 
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safe space for you and everybody
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And safety plans can feel a 
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serious. 
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really helpful when you're 
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dysregulated and, and not sure 
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am I going to put into place 
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A safety plan could just help 
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the moment? 
What, what's the most important 

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thing? 
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to every family. 
It should be done in 

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collaboration with somebody. 
It's really helpful if you're 

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going to do a safety plan to 
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down and maybe get somebody else
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opinion. 
What, what does that look like 

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for you? 
This safety plan that we're 

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going to look at today and 
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It's, it's a starting point. 
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some basics to put on your 
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And not everybody is going to 
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can, it can reassure you, it can
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And that is what it their safety
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you feel safer. 
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individual to each family in 
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and maintained. 
Don't do a safety plan, leave it

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in your bottom drawer and never 
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Sometimes having a safety plan 
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can be really, really helpful. 
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just got an A four piece paper 
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going to draw out for me, what I
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outline of a house because it 
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This is the place I'm keeping 
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to consider our emotional safety
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emotionally and what that looks 
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So let's start with those sort 
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what's in your safety plan. 
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of your child and the behaviour 
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how do you feel? 
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might talk about bottom line, 
what's the thing that you can no

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longer tolerate? 
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hardest thing for you to manage?
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that to happen anymore. 
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to us, I just don't want to be 
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I, I, I can't be hit For other 
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I can't be threatened. 
It's setting up what your bottom

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line is. 
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But let's say for an example, 
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in the home towards me. 
You can put into your safety 

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plan no violence. 
Maybe draw a line and if that 

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line is broken, what are you 
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Thinking about it in those real 
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is dysregulating, when your 
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not going to feel safe. 
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not going to. 
If they don't feel safe, you're 

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not going to feel safe and 
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house won't feel safe. 
So we can think of some really 

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practical things to put in our 
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It could be if my child is 
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to them, I cannot, you know, 
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them, be close to them. 
What am I going to think about 

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doing? 
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things I want to do is I know my
other children can feel really 

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unsafe by this. 
So I'm going to put, I'm going 

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to make sure that they go into a
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If they're old enough, if it's 
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to the child, it's time to go up
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So you're keeping practically 
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If you've got, if your child is 
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what they may do to you, it 
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you go into a space and close 
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young people that can be like 
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So it's, it's knowing for you, 
it's knowing what your child is 

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likely to do. 
And is it OK for me to go to a 

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room and feel safe? 
Do you have somebody in your 

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network? 
Networks are really, really 

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important. 
Who in your safety plan are you 

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going to indicate on your 
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lean on or get support from if 
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escalate and things become 
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feels really unsafe, who else is
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Aunts, uncles, friends, 
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regardless of the day or night. 
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things aren't escalating, when 
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is using behaviours in the home 
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you'd like a reference number if
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the, the, the, the police find 
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located up and down the country,
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come in and parent your child. 
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in and sort of right, OK, come 
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collaborating with whoever is in
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necessary to keep you all safe, 
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support you. 
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really necessary and really, 
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have that on your safety plan, 
whether it's who's in your 

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network, who can you call? 
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you, if you call anybody, you 
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that that's a reality and that 
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that threat and that 
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that situation. 
Who am I going to call? 

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What's going to happen? 
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potentially to be in the home on
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We're starting to think about 
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being on our safety plan as, as 
really key things to consider 

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and, and start thinking about 
what are you doing in yourself? 

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What's your reminder to 
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What could be? 
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escalating around you, you are 
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So filling in the safety plan 
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thought about what what's going 
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What do you need on your safety 

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plan? 
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to adjust? 
Take a deep breath. 

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I need to ground myself. 
Is it a reminder that my child, 

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what my child is doing is not 
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need to have towards what's 
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Do you put a little reminder on 
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So your safety plan is for you. 
Your safety plan is devised to 

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help you in that moment, which 
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plan somewhere visual can be 
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Whether it's in your kitchen, 
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it is in your bedroom, somewhere
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Is it a safety plan you want to 
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family? 
Do you sit down with your other 

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children, potentially in an age 
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Listen, when things become a bit
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happens, I want us to consider 
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make them feel safe, where would
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like to feel so they feel 
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scary for everybody in the home.
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child who was using aggressive 
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you, when they're where they are
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possibly be even including them 
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What do they need when they are 
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What do they need? 
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children will tell you what they
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Stay away from me, leave me 
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I just want to go to my bedroom 
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Don't follow me around with. 
I've had so many parents who 

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have said to me, their children 
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leave them. 
It's like, well, listen to that.

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Listen to what your child is 
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what they may need at the time 
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It's not the time for you to go 
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to do this as part of your 
safety plan. 

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But it's a, it's a reminder of 
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hyper vigilant and hyper 
aroused, sometimes you may 

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forget what's on your safety 
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it's a good thing to do it in a 
calm space. 

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Now listen, there's so many 
things we can cover in a safety 

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All of what we speak about is 

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tailored and bespoke to you. 
It's about, I think, being 

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mindful of sitting down and 
thinking in the moment, what 

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would I like to be on a safety 
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This isn't a plan for every 
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You may be. 
I can't do that. 

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I don't want to go to that place
and think of a safety plan. 

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Totally get that. 
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be really, really helpful. 
Remember, we're changing a 

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child's narrative. 
Your child who is using this 

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behaviour has created a 
narrative that keeps them 

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emotionally and physically safe.
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these episodes is putting in 
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to change your child's 
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So we just want to make sure 
you're being mindful, thinking 

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about OK, if things start 
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Jane and Matt spoke about this. 

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What does my, what do I want in 
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What do I feel is going to help 
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So we're going to do a little, 
we're going to put a little 

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picture up at that to help you, 
to give you some ideas of what 

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that can look like. 
So have a look at that, see what

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your thoughts are. 
Print off your own 1 you, we, we

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can always send you a safety 
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you can use as a starting point.
If it's helpful. 

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Certainly e-mail us and ask us 
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Speak to your friends if you're 
working with a professional, 

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talk to them about what does a 
safety plan look like? 

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What does it mean to you? 
What can I put on there? 

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It's going to be achievable. 
It's got to be simple and it's 

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got to be realistic. 
They're the three things I would

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say about your safety plan. 
Me keeping them achievable, 

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realistic and clear. 
You know, there's no point in 

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trying to complicate it and have
lots of different visuals on 

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your safety plan that make it 
feel like oh, what did I say 

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what I was going to do with my 
safety plan and try to keep it 

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as simple as possible because 
when things are difficult, you 

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want things to be simple. 
It could be that you've got 3 or

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4 numbers on your safety plan. 
So they're really there and 

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accessible, right? 
Yes, Jim said I could call him. 

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I'm going to phone Jim or no, I 
absolutely cannot phone anybody.

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I'm out in the middle of 
nowhere. 

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I have no community around me. 
So I, I'm going to call the 

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police or maybe somebody else in
your community, if that's 

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available. 
And if not, how are you going to

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keep yourself safe in home when 
potentially it's just you and 

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your child? 
What are the things that you can

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do? 
And that can be the where the 

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emotional safety plan comes into
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I hope that's really helpful. 
It's calm. 

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It's trying to, it's trying to 
simplify something that can feel

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really complicated and really 
triggering for lots of people. 

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But that's a sort of little 
overview really of what I mean 

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when I talk about safety 
planning with parents. 

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But please take what you can 
from it. 

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Please keep it simple. 
And please do get in touch with 

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us if you want to explore this a
little bit further or you want a

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copy of a safety plan just to 
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OK, I'll see you in the next 
episode.