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Welcome to the let it flow 
podcast. 

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I'm Alexis and I'm Carly. 
We're just two humans figuring 

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things out. 
And we're here to share deeper 

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conversations about mindset, 
spirituality, personal growth 

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and standards on everything in 
between. 

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We hope this podcast encourages 
you to ask bigger questions and 

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think and live outside the box. 
We are always learning. 

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But the one thing we found to be
100% true, is that life is meant

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to flow. 
So whether you're all in on your

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personal growth dirty or just 
starting out, let's flow 

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together. 
Well, welcome to whatever said 

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are we on now? 
Number six, eight eight! 

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Oh my God! 
Eight! 

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Welcome to episode 8 of Let it 
Flow today. 

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We have a dear friend of Alexis 
and I, although we've never met 

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in person, Emily Cooper's. 
She is from South Africa, and is

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an NLP practitioner and 
experimentalists and A really 

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lovely person. 
Anywho. 

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I'm so grateful to have met and 
that's all I got em. 

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Do you want to introduce 
yourself? 

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Hi, guys. 
Thank you so much for having me 

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first rule. 
This is so cool, this is so much

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fun. 
See ya. 

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I my name is Emily Cooper. 
As you said, I go by the title. 

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Emotional, Freedom coach, which 
I know Alexis you mentioned, you

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kind of wanted me to explain a 
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but yes, I am. 
I am a certified NLP 

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practitioner life coach previous
lawyer in another life and the 

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reason I call myself and 
emotional Freedom, coach really,

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stems from the story about how I
got into this work, which was, I

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think, as most of us was working
on myself first and I found that

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throughout high school and 
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I have always been such a deep 
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to relationships and friendships
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all of these emotions and I felt
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and I always kind of acted out 
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quote-unquote by my heart, which
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and a lot of heartache, and a 
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weren't benefiting me at all. 
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So, I kind of started getting to
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emotions. 
These feelings that were leading

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to certain actions and behavior.
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the root based on experiences 
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child. 
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able to kind of free myself from
those emotions that were causing

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me to act in certain non 
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So I think a lot of people can 
hear the term, emotional, 

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Freedom coach and think that I 
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your feelings which is 100%, not
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I am advocating for fully 
feeling, your feelings, getting 

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to the root of them. 
Healing, whatever is there to 

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heal, if it's obviously not 
serving you and then ultimately 

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creating this life that is 
beautiful where you are taking 

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action that does serve you. 
That's me, I love that. 

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I never heard that. 
That description of you before I

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like it. 
I also want to say that I love 

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another way. 
I thought of what you just said 

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to. 
It's like not being controlled 

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by your emotions but learning so
deeply from them. 

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I love that. 
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That is the entire brand or I 
pay is not needed to kind of 

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like act on these really strong 
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You can actually just sit with 
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them, and part of the incredible
thing about being human, Is once

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we understand something, we have
so much more power to change our

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situation or to just act in a 
way that is aware as opposed to 

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just constantly running. 
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with your heart or letting your 
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and it's not actually your 
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It's these kind of like, 
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said, you were a lawyer and I 
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I listened to your hole. 
Story of that on your podcast so

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you can will link your podcast 
in the show notes to if people 

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want to go. 
Listen, but I know you'll touch 

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on it a little bit here. 
Did you dive into that emotional

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freedom in those techniques, 
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And then because any transition 
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and two very different, career 
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come up when you're switching, I
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So I'd love for you to touch on 
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Like, did that work happen 
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did? 
Quit and then figure things out.

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How did that look for you? 
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as one of the absolute 
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this whole story and probably of
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I was in my third year of 
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become a lawyer and I was 
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house and I was kind of in this 
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Ship. 
The thing with a guy that was 

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really upsetting me, completely 
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I wasn't taking ownership. 
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was not my business to be in, 
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But nevertheless, I was there 
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answers. 
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and went onto Netflix. 
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answers on Netflix. 
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and the secret like the 
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one of us has watched Was being 
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Netflix and I watched it. 
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on Earth is this rubbish? 
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you know, researching the whole 
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just led me down to Rabbit Hole 
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hole, right? 
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Like, Leo Alexandra was one of 
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I would watch and I got into the
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Asian side of things first. 
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progressed towards more of the 
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work and all of that sort of 
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That was as I said, the whole of
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year university and then 2020, I
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I'd now graduated I was supposed
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NGO work like legal. 
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And then obviously the world 
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Africa, had one of the strictest
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So, for five weeks, we were not 
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are out of your house, you had 
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everything. 
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and it was the first time 
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high school, because I went to 
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country. 
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I pushed all the time and it was
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And from academics and from 
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the I had nothing to do it was 
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five weeks straight and I'll 
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lasting two years. 
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time for meditation 
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was that seed that was planted 
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I never want to go back to 
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was working for so many hours, a
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interested me, but didn't 
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I didn't know. 
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difference in the world and 
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linked to my identity. 
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of 2020, literally, like the 
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I get an email telling me that 
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prosecutor for 20 21 and I had 
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too. 
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the place, right? 
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declined, but I kind of sat with
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like, okay, you know what? 
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that determines whether I am 
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lawyer. 
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year. 
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this and then if I'm still 
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time, I know that that is my 
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Clear sign that I need to leave.
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the most thrilling years of my 
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I saw in the things that I did 
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least fulfilling years of my 
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December, literally a whole year
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that I left and never came back.
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Sorry 2021, not 2020. 
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because in the time that I was 
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stopped working on myself and 
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Okay, if I do leave after this 
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created my Instagram account. 
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then obviously, once my contract
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then Left and picked up coaching
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That's such a roller coaster. 
What made you decide that you 

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wanted to help coach other 
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Because not everyone has that 
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there's a lot of people that 
work on themselves and 

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self-development but not 
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other people in that way. 
Did, what was that trigger for 

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you? 
That said I need to be a part of

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the space and I just really want
to help people with, with This 

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knowledge, I think it was just 
this desire within me to share 

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the work that I was learning. 
I was always somebody that 

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naturally shared whatever I was 
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account. 
Anyway, not whatever I was doing

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but just the things that I was 
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I've always been a very natural 
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Personal development inclined. 
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my personal Instagram page. 
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like, oh, this is amazing, 
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Never thought of this idea or, 
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that concept for me. 
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share everything that I was 
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That was this desire longing 
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since I was a little girl to 
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that. 
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When people asked me as a child,
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older, I could not tell you, I 
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my answer every single time was 
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That's all I want to do when I 
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And so hence me getting into law
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will be helping people. 
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through or at least my 
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wasn't helping anybody. 
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was okay. 
I'm learning all of this stuff 

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about the personal development 
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I'm applying it to myself. 
I have helped myself so much and

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I have literally changed what my
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within my body, therefore, I 
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people and if Mike or purpose or
passion has always been to help.

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I know that I'm not going to 
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dark here, thinking like, oh 
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I've tried and tested it on 
myself first, I was the beta and

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now I can kind of go into this 
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be able to help people. 
I was going to ask what topic do

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you like to focus on? 
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different types of coaches. 
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freedom but there's a lot of 
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many areas of your life to, I 
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that you focus on relationships.
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relationship with others and I 
know you just got engaged and 

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I'm celebrating. 
Thanks. 

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But yeah, if you could touch on 
that, Yeah. 

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So with my clients, I found that
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consistently, right? 
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relationships, obviously, but I 
believe that your relationship 

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to solve and then your 
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two of them. 
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life especially for women. 
Women generally speaking. 

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Obviously this is a 
generalization are so much more 

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focused on relational Dynamics. 
Be it again that relationship to

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self friendships relationships 
relationship to family right men

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again, generalization can 
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Korea and kind of block 
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Whereas, I found that the woman 
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life, right there weren't able 
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discussing. 
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of my best friend's. 
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that then obviously naturally 
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of validating that I am 
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inability to show up at the gym.
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of this never-ending extension. 
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chose to change, Was those two? 
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into so many other areas without
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Not fake, recreating, the 
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everything else stands upon that
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That's beautiful. 
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general. 
I've definitely met a lot of men

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to that struggle with self and 
it can be so sneaky. 

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Yeah, goes in a little radar. 
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should not exclude men. 
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all, I agree with you. 
I mean, I think the personal 

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development space. 
I was thinking about this the 

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other day is so inundated with 
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Mmm. 
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need to get used to saying that,
but my fiancé is getting 

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certified in NLP. 
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social media page and all of 
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How many men do I actually 
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How many male personal 
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Do I know of? 
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male friend who wanted to follow
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suggest that that person 
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I have no idea. 
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man in the personal development 
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easier to have your voice heard 
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equally if you are a man looking
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help. 
There are not many people that 

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you can turn to, right? 
Not many people that you can 

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resonate with and this can 
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color that, you know, we can go 
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this discussion but yes, I think
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self-worth. 
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that could belong or attached to
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men need to be included in these
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less of a chance that a man is 
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and find someone that they 
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I personally, I guess my 
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accounts for men. 
There's a lot for women too, but

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there's a lot of, you know, with
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messages you and you're going to
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that attention a little bit. 
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is a real Human being a real 
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only have access to the big 
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followers, you're just another 
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as approachable. 
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different options. 
So many different people in the 

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women's space because not 
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everyone is saying. 
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different personality and it's 
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voice. 
Interesting too. 

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space and I would love to hear 
like feedback from anyone 

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watching this of like people you
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you really like that are 
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to be more like action-based. 
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through the body which I love. 
I think that's so powerful and I

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feel like that kind of is like 
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masculine energy and The 
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much softer. 
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like getting goose bumps right 
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powerful and yoga and the 
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body working with the body. 
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that feminine energy of talking 
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doing it in the way that we see 
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females in the in this industry 
doing it is that's just a 

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thought I had. 
It would be really interesting 

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to look into a little bit more 
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Thread, a little bit. 
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you said that is so I suppose 
stereotypically the masculine 

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feminine Dynamic right. 
Where? 

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I even think of interactions 
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him with a, you know, something 
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want to talk, right? 
It's the feminine way. 

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I just want to be heard. 
Just understand me. 

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Don't give me a solution. 
I just need you to understand 

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me. 
Just listen. 

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Exactly. 
I have the solution. 

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I know that I have the solution,
I might not have found it yet, 

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but I know it's there. 
So all I need is that kind of 

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emotional release of? 
Let me just just listen, just 

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hear what I have to say. 
Tell me, I'm right, tell me I'm 

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wrong. 
Whatever doesn't matter, but 

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just like You there with me and 
be present, where is Matt will 

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go immediately into solution 
mode. 

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What can we do? 
How can we fix it? 

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What's the next action? 
Step less talking more doing 

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In fact, one time I even came to

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him with something that was on 
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pulled out a notebook and 
started writing like Solutions 

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like 1 to 10. 
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No. 
No I don't that's actually 

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really does regulating me. 
Me, I don't need Solutions right

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now. 
I just need to d load off load 

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and then we can. 
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that feminine price, testing 
that feminine like needs to just

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be heard which I think is 
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years and centuries of not being
and to be good and not being 

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able to speak, right? 
So now it's almost as if we're 

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reclaiming that which I think is
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Go us but but yes, I agree. 
You when you when you translate 

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that masculine doing into the 
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semantic. 
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breath work and the cold plunge 
has all of the like super action

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based things. 
Yeah, which I do think is 

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there's going to I already see 
it. 

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There's becoming more of a 
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because I do think both are so 
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seasons of what I'm going 
through. 

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Ooh, where I really just feel I 
want to talk and want to work 

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more like an LP and just have 
those deeper conversations and 

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really dig up what's within me. 
And then there's also the times 

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where I'm like I just need to go
and like beat the cement and run

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you know it's kind of those the 
end I think learning to listen 

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to that and what works for you 
in the moment and not also 

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getting stuck in. 
One thing is such a beautiful 

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thing to but that's kind of the 
experiment of it. 

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All is Like trying it and stuff,
which I forgot to say Emily. 

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You are a 35 psychogenic 
generator talking about human 

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design. 
And that's three is all about 

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experimentation. 
We were talking about this 

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before we started recording 
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interesting that your path shows
that it shows that 

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experimentation. 
And the fact that you were able 

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to I love, I love your story 
about taking the year to commit 

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to doing your lawyer. 
I'm work and seeing how that 

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goes and just to kind of test it
out and see if it works. 

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I mean, I know for myself, I am 
a 36 profile. 

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So right now I have double 
three, double experimentation. 

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And sometimes I get so 
distracted by things that I 

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don't even give myself time to 
go through the whole process. 

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So that's super invaluable to 
Take the time to really sit with

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it and see how it feels. 
So that's kind of cool. 

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Brings it in a little circle 
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Yeah well you guys are the human
design experts. 

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I have no clue what's cooking 
when it comes to human design 

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but I had heard the explanation 
of the three split before being 

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you know the person that does 
experiment a lot often makes 

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mistakes and then learns from 
that. 

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Experimentation learns from 
those mistakes. 

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And then ultimately teachers 
it's that learn, teach dynamic 

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or it will experience, learn 
teach Dynamic. 

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And when I learned this and this
is potentially opening up a 

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tangent and a can of worms into 
human design of which I have no 

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business talking about. 
But when I learned this again, 

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me so much permission and I want
to say removed a lot of A shame 

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because I was always criticizing
myself for not being able to 

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just stick to one thing or just,
you know, be that person that 

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got the normal legal 9 to 5 job 
and just stayed there for the 

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rest of my life because I have 
mentioned this on my podcast, 

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but I had security of tenure. 
I literally could have been in 

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that same job for the rest of my
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They could not have fired me. 
Unless I did something really 

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bad, you know? 
And I was like why why have you 

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could you not have just been 
that person or The same thing 

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with sports, I would start a 
sport. 

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Get bored, move onto another 
sport master that get bored move

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on to another thing and I just 
always labeled myself as 

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inconsistent lazy, always 
terrible things that don't need 

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to be repeated, but learning 
that about the three slits and 

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about how, you know, I am the 
experimenter and then I go on to

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to teach which is ultimately in 
the era that I'm in now, really 

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just gave me. 
So much permission to continue 

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experimenting and making 
mistakes. 

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And, yeah, I just removed a lot 
of that shame, which was 

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incredible. 
Yeah, I know, we've had this 

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conversation about how we relate
on this level and I just, yeah, 

456
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,400
everything you just said. 
Yes. 

457
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:39,200
It's and human design has been 
the same for me and allowing you

458
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,200
to sit with it for a second. 
Be like, wait, this is me. 

459
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,700
Like I am designed this way for 
a reason and it can start you on

460
00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:49,100
that process of figuring out how
to act. 

461
00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:52,900
Work with the energy and work 
with it in a productive and 

462
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:55,600
positive way. 
That's yeah. 

463
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,500
Yeah, it's funny that you have 
the three and Carly has a three 

464
00:28:59,500 --> 00:29:04,100
and you're 35 and I'm a 5-1. 
So I relate on the five side of 

465
00:29:04,100 --> 00:29:09,600
it which is that like the 
natural leadership and people 

466
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,200
seeing that you could help them 
in some way which aligns with 

467
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,800
coaching a lot and that you 
often times see solutions that 

468
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,900
nobody else has thought of Or 
you can come into a conversation

469
00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:24,900
and just provide that solution 
and insight. 

470
00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:27,500
And since you're a 35-year, the 
experienced hero. 

471
00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:31,400
So 3 is the experience, the 
trying, everything, and the 5 is

472
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,000
that hero coming in with 
Solutions, and helping people. 

473
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,600
So, everything you've said about
your whole life to make sense, I

474
00:29:39,608 --> 00:29:42,400
think that makes me sound way 
cooler than I actually am, but 

475
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,000
I'll take that sir. 
Calling yourself a hero. 

476
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,500
Write it on your mirror. 
Change, might change my bio. 

477
00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:57,300
One thing you said earlier and I
loved is you found that what you

478
00:29:57,300 --> 00:30:00,600
were doing with your work when 
you were a lawyer it was 

479
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,700
interesting but it wasn't 
fulfilling and that really spoke

480
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:07,800
to me because I think I've been 
figuring out the last couple 

481
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,800
years what that looks like for 
me. 

482
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,100
So I would love to hear like for
you what is the difference you 

483
00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:16,800
find when something's yeah, 
maybe interesting to you and 

484
00:30:16,900 --> 00:30:19,100
kind of can get you excited for 
a little bit. 

485
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,300
This is fulfilling. 
Yeah, for sure. 

486
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:28,400
So one of the best things I ever
learned and I'm not going to 

487
00:30:28,408 --> 00:30:31,400
take credit for this because I 
genuinely cannot say whether 

488
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,700
this was something I like 
channel to whether I read it 

489
00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:37,600
somewhere, but one of the best 
things that I ever learnt all 

490
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,800
became aware of, is that just 
because you're good at 

491
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:45,000
something, doesn't mean you need
to do that thing as a career or 

492
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,000
just generally as a hobby, 
right? 

493
00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:50,900
I believe that I was a very 
good. 

494
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,900
Good competent lawyer. 
I can obviously measure that 

495
00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:58,900
statistically in terms of 
Harmony case, as I 1 versus lost

496
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:02,500
all of the things, right? 
I was also kind of fast-tracked 

497
00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:05,400
towards promotions within the 
system. 

498
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:09,400
I was doing things faster than 
people, my age should have been 

499
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,400
allowed to do it all the things.
Right. 

500
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:16,600
And that was really A bit of a 
thorn in my side, in the sense 

501
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:23,100
that it held me back from making
the moves that I needed to make 

502
00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:25,400
for quite a while. 
Or at least I, let it hold me 

503
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,800
back, because I was thinking, 
I'm just so good at this thing. 

504
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:33,100
And people keep telling me that 
I'm really good and people keep 

505
00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:36,200
telling me that I'm making 
impact, so maybe I should just 

506
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,300
stick it out and see if one day,
I reach that level of 

507
00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:43,400
fulfillment that I am Desiring 
so much, right. 

508
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,900
And And when I was really honest
with myself because what I've 

509
00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:54,600
noticed my sort of patterning is
is that I get this kind of seed 

510
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,000
of information or this little 
like intuitive nudge within me 

511
00:31:58,300 --> 00:32:01,500
and if it's something that's 
scary to look at, I push it down

512
00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:05,000
for, as long as possible. 
But I know it's there and I'm 

513
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,800
very aware of the fact that it's
there, and it's not so much that

514
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,500
I'm pushing it down to ignore 
it. 

515
00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:12,700
It's that I'm pushing it down 
until I am in a space that I'm 

516
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:15,700
able to look at it. 
Because if I look at it too 

517
00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:18,800
soon, it's I'm not going to be 
able to handle it and the way 

518
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,000
that it needs to be handled. 
So I kind of just push that down

519
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,200
a little bit and we're living. 
She, I had the time and kind of 

520
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,900
like mental face and look at 
that seed that has been planted.

521
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:36,200
I realized that if I went off of
my value, as I spoke about 

522
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:41,200
previously of helping, people of
serving people, I wasn't 

523
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,300
fulfilled because in my line of 
work, Work for various reasons 

524
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:47,100
that I'm not going to go into, 
it's irrelevant. 

525
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:49,500
I didn't feel that I was helping
people, right? 

526
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,900
So I wasn't fulfilled on that 
level. 

527
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,400
I also wasn't fulfilled in terms
of my lifestyle. 

528
00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:00,000
As I have also mentioned, when 
you are a lawyer, being a lawyer

529
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:05,100
is your entire identity. 
You cannot be anything outside 

530
00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:06,700
of that because you don't have 
the time. 

531
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:11,400
So I couldn't technically I have
the label of girlfriend, but 

532
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,800
honestly, most of the time I was
being a bitch. 

533
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:20,300
She uses girlfriend, I didn't 
have time to gym or to read or 

534
00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:23,100
to do any of the things that I 
wanted to do. 

535
00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:27,400
And when I was doing those 
things, my mind was back in law.

536
00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:31,900
My mind was thinking about the 
case I had on Monday or the 

537
00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:34,200
documents that needed filing. 
Whatever it was, right? 

538
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:39,700
So in terms of my lifestyle, 
when I had realized in 2020 that

539
00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:47,100
my identity was so much more or 
Then lawyer or academic or 

540
00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:50,400
corporate or whatever it was 
that I thought it was. 

541
00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:56,200
I could no longer adhere to a 
lifestyle that I lied allowed me

542
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,500
to only be one thing. 
And so, therefore, there was the

543
00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:03,100
Schism or this gap between 
something that I was really good

544
00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:06,500
at and that I found interesting 
to this day. 

545
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:09,900
I geek out at legal journals. 
I was reading them yesterday 

546
00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:10,699
right. 
I love it. 

547
00:34:10,699 --> 00:34:16,000
It is so fascinating. 
I still cry when I read certain 

548
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,400
South African case law because 
our law is beautiful and it 

549
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,600
genuinely brings me to tears. 
It's incredible. 

550
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,600
It's like poetry but so there 
was this this passion and this 

551
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:30,199
interest and this I suppose 
Talent OR competency but it 

552
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:32,500
wasn't transferring over to 
fulfillment. 

553
00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:37,000
They were so many at the end of 
the day when I put my head on my

554
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,000
pillow at night I was not 
fulfilled. 

555
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:42,600
I could not go to bed saying I 
am happy with my life and 

556
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,500
therefore Or the change needed 
to be made can relate with that 

557
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:48,600
a little bit too. 
I mean, I didn't do it for a 

558
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,300
year, but I did my masters in 
costume design here in Italy. 

559
00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:55,900
And then I worked on a film for 
four months, or so. 

560
00:34:56,699 --> 00:34:59,100
And I loved it. 
There aspects of it that I 

561
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:02,200
really enjoyed and I find 
costume fascinating. 

562
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,700
I still watch movies and I'm 
like, look at that. 

563
00:35:04,700 --> 00:35:08,100
Like one detail on the shirt 
that probably means this. 

564
00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:14,300
You know, it's so interesting 
but I realized that If I were to

565
00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:18,400
go that path, that would be my 
entire life, like entire life. 

566
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,900
I would have to drop everything 
when I would get the call, and 

567
00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:25,000
that would be it. 
And I was like, okay, I don't 

568
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,600
love it that much. 
There are things other things in

569
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:32,200
my life, that are more important
than the idea in my head that I 

570
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,100
created. 
What of what could be, if I went

571
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:38,400
the costume design route. 
So but it's a really challenging

572
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,200
thing to admit to yourself 
especially like you who had, you

573
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,600
know, in so many ways. 
Ways the road paved out like no 

574
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,800
worries, no nothing to question 
or do. 

575
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,900
But yeah, when you have that job
offer, that promises you x 

576
00:35:52,900 --> 00:35:56,100
amount of dollars and has that 
quote safety net. 

577
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:58,300
I feel like we can't say safety 
net for anything. 

578
00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:01,500
Now that we experienced covid. 
They're really like acting on a 

579
00:36:01,508 --> 00:36:03,800
dime, but there still is that 
perceived safety. 

580
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,900
Net of working for somebody 
else. 

581
00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:08,600
Because you know, what you do 
every day, you know, when to 

582
00:36:08,607 --> 00:36:12,000
show up how long you were, you 
know what the protocol is, but 

583
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,100
then, Taking the leap on your 
own. 

584
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:18,400
You don't know what that is. 
And I had a similar experience, 

585
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,100
just in my internship at 
corporate at the company that I 

586
00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:25,300
thought I wanted to work for and
actually just this month I was 

587
00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:28,400
reached out to by the manager I 
worked for in the job position 

588
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,000
that I thought I wanted was 
like, Hey we're it's open right 

589
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,200
now if you want to apply for it 
and that was a couple weeks ago 

590
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,300
and I had to sit there for a 
second. 

591
00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:41,000
Like, holy what like, okay, this
is everything that I thought I 

592
00:36:41,008 --> 00:36:44,700
wanted to apply for and this job
was not open for years until now

593
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,200
and now I have to decline it 
because I know in my heart like 

594
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,400
thinking of doing that job is 
just like draining and it was 

595
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,600
everything. 
I thought I wanted But want to 

596
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,300
taste, right? 
Bring that was literally the 

597
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:03,300
university. 
Like yoga is the shiny carrot. 

598
00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:07,300
Yeah, feel like those tests pop 
up all the time. 

599
00:37:07,300 --> 00:37:09,200
Have you seen any of those pop 
up for you? 

600
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:15,600
Yes, but I have always, and 
maybe this comes back to the 

601
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,600
three split. 
I've always consciously. 

602
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,000
Okay, not always 90% of the time
of consciously, chosen the test 

603
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:29,700
and the reason, Even for this is
because I have always had this 

604
00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:33,800
kind of caring Dynamic with 
life. 

605
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:39,800
I suppose, where I enjoy a 
challenge and I enjoy, I just 

606
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,200
enjoy learning and I Joy 
experience and I think, yeah, 

607
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,000
again this is going back to the 
whole three split. 

608
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,700
But even if I didn't know about 
that, I would tell you that I 

609
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:54,000
have always been that person 
that I can be in the midst of 

610
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,700
absolute turmoil. 
And I'm like, this is so much 

611
00:37:57,700 --> 00:37:59,000
fun. 
Like look how much I'm 

612
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,600
experiencing right. 
I just love the duality of Life.

613
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,700
Obviously, it's not. 
I mean you guys know a lot of my

614
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:08,600
personal story and you know that
life has definitely not always 

615
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:13,100
been fun but there's been this 
element of or other this reframe

616
00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:17,300
in my own mind of look how much 
I can feel In This Moment. 

617
00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:21,400
Look at the depth of my feeling,
what a privilege it is to be 

618
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,700
able to feel this amount of 
sadness or this amount of grief.

619
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,600
So, a lot of heartache, and 
then, obviously, the flip side 

620
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,000
of that is, look how much joy I 
have the capacity to feel. 

621
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,600
Look how much excitement the 
comments and liveness straight. 

622
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:40,900
So I think, for me, if I look 
back on my life, when I took 

623
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:44,600
that job as a prosecutor, I knew
it was a test. 

624
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:49,400
I literally wrote down. 
This is a taste because the week

625
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:54,400
before, I had decided fully that
I was never going to practice 

626
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,300
law. 
And then I get This job. 

627
00:38:56,300 --> 00:39:00,700
So I wrote. 
This is a test and then I was 

628
00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:02,800
like, you know what, I'm going 
to actively take the test and 

629
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,900
I'm going to see what I'm what 
what is possible for me to learn

630
00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:11,100
from the test. 
So I think that often especially

631
00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:18,900
in the manifestation area of the
internet, people can get very 

632
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,300
scared of quote-unquote failing 
tests and I simply don't believe

633
00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:28,900
and that was it. 
I look at how, you know, I took 

634
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:35,700
that job knowing it was a test, 
the tools that I learned from 

635
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:40,500
that experience, I still use 
every single day in coaching 

636
00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:43,200
even though that was law. 
And this is coaching I was 

637
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,500
litigating from 9 to 5 every 
single day. 

638
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:49,600
In other words, standing up in 
court, arguing talking off the 

639
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,000
cuff, not being able to prepare 
what I'm saying, right? 

640
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,300
That is coaching you're talking.
You don't know what's going to 

641
00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:57,800
come out. 
Of your mouth next because you 

642
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,400
don't know where the sessions 
going or where the clients going

643
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,200
to take the session, you can't 
prepare for a session generally 

644
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,000
speaking. 
So what I'm saying, is the test 

645
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:12,400
and quote-unquote failing, the 
test, gave me so much that I can

646
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,900
apply now. 
So, I have always had that kind 

647
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:18,600
of, like, cheeky Dynamic with 
tests, where I'm like, oh, what 

648
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:19,500
the hell? 
Let's go for it. 

649
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:21,900
Let's see what I can learn. 
This is my go really badly. 

650
00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:25,400
It was like a really well. 
It's funny because I feel like 

651
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,400
life is just one big test in a 
way. 

652
00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:31,200
It's just like, let's see what 
happens. 

653
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:36,000
Let's, let's go. 
I have a follow-up question to 

654
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,400
that because you're so good at 
trying things and Carly. 

655
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,700
Also, relates you both have 
that, that three profile, that 

656
00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:44,300
type of personality to try 
things. 

657
00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:48,100
And I have the type of 
personality personality, to 

658
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:50,900
commit, and follow through and 
become an expert. 

659
00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:56,000
So, when I saw that job offer, 
As if I were to get that job, I 

660
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,200
would fully commit input. 
Like not quit it. 

661
00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:02,600
I think I would probably go full
force into it and try to be the 

662
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,100
best at it that I possibly can. 
I do that with everything and 

663
00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:09,400
trying your best is always good,
but, like, cutting it off at 

664
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,700
some point. 
I don't know if I would do that,

665
00:41:12,700 --> 00:41:15,800
it was like, getting into that 
security safety, net and being 

666
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,800
good at it, because I know, I 
would be good at it and not 

667
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,200
cutting it off. 
So, I'm wondering how you go 

668
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,700
about that learning to cut. 
Things off, when you've growing 

669
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:29,600
up with following through and 
like, don't quit, don't be a 

670
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,400
quitter. 
Give it your all. 

671
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,500
And those things are put on a 
pedestal where as I almost wish 

672
00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:41,000
that I had a little bit more of 
that self-awareness to quit for 

673
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,600
my own benefit, like pivot 
rather than quit. 

674
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,400
Because even when I think back 
to college and Apparel Design, I

675
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,400
followed through with the degree
because I committed to it and I 

676
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,300
had a checklist to complete. 
I don't think that I I followed 

677
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:55,800
through with it because my heart
was in it. 

678
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,900
It was like, I'm good at this. 
I know how to do it. 

679
00:41:57,900 --> 00:42:00,900
I know the checklist I'm going 
to finish, whereas I'm super 

680
00:42:00,900 --> 00:42:04,400
interested in wellness, and 
Kinesiology, and health and I, 

681
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,600
if I would have had more of that
mindset to Pivot. 

682
00:42:07,700 --> 00:42:09,000
I might have gone somewhere 
else. 

683
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,200
My life earlier, like, I'm 
getting there now on everything 

684
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,600
happens for a reason. 
But yeah, how do you approach 

685
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,500
things when you're going to like
quit or pivot? 

686
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,700
And make that transition without
feeling that? 

687
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,200
Sticky guilt of like oh my 
giving up on something or am I 

688
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,200
actually making a good choice 
for my life? 

689
00:42:29,700 --> 00:42:32,700
That was kind of a real but 
personal thought question. 

690
00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:39,600
So I think that Carly is going 
to resonate with what I say here

691
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,000
because we've actually had this 
discussion quite a few times but

692
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:49,600
It's very much, not a decision 
and it's not a level of 

693
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:54,500
self-awareness. 
My I'm going to use the word 

694
00:42:54,500 --> 00:43:02,900
desire but it's not even desire.
It's uncontrollable, but my my 

695
00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:10,400
desire to not do things that do 
not fulfill me, overrides my 

696
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,100
desire for safety or security or
any of that braid. 

697
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:20,400
It's like there is this wall 
that I run into when I am doing 

698
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,500
something that does not fulfill 
me or does not fully like serve 

699
00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:25,500
me. 
I run into this wall and that is

700
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:28,300
it? 
There is not a single thing, you

701
00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:31,500
could pay me promise me off. 
For me, that is going to get me 

702
00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:34,600
to do that thing. 
It is like dragging myself 

703
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:41,200
through mud and I we've spoken 
Brothers, 40 times, we're like 

704
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,800
me in high school maths. 
Was that? 

705
00:43:44,300 --> 00:43:47,600
I hated it. 
Absolutely hated it. 

706
00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:51,600
I could sit for hours and hours 
and hours studying English drama

707
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:57,900
history biology but Mass could 
not do it like could not make 

708
00:43:57,900 --> 00:44:00,000
myself study at all just wasn't 
possible. 

709
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,100
Winged. 
Every single thing I ever wrote 

710
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,000
University could sit for hours, 
studying things like 

711
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,200
constitutional law 
administrative law, which it 

712
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:12,600
follows a very similar thread to
the English History Dynamic. 

713
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:19,400
But then civil procedure, which 
is just process and it's boring 

714
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,300
as all hell wind into my final 
exam. 

715
00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:27,800
My final University exam had 
studied for probably an hour and

716
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,100
got my friends to give me a 
crash course, before we walked 

717
00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:35,200
into the exam because there was 
no way, not even the likes rate 

718
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,600
of failing, my law degree could 
get me to study that subject. 

719
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,400
So it's not it's not a level of 
self-awareness, you make it 

720
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,500
sound like As I sit there and I 
go, you know what, this isn't 

721
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:49,600
serving me and I have more worth
than this. 

722
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,200
I'm going to consciously choose 
to Pivot. 

723
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:58,700
It's not that it's like I I'm 
stuck in this like cement block,

724
00:44:59,700 --> 00:45:04,900
you have no choice but to Pivot.
Yeah, no, there is a logical way

725
00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:07,200
is how I do things. 
It's like, okay, we need to sit 

726
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,800
down and journal and like take 
myself out of my life for a 

727
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,300
second reassess and then make a 
decision. 

728
00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:15,700
I don't I don't know if it's as 
in the moment for me. 

729
00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:19,900
Sometimes I wish mine. 
I was a little bit more like 

730
00:45:19,900 --> 00:45:22,100
that. 
Everyone wants what they don't 

731
00:45:22,100 --> 00:45:26,700
have, you know but you know when
I really think about it I wish 

732
00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:29,900
that I was more like your 
personality in that way. 

733
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:33,900
Alexis when I'm looking at 
myself through other people's 

734
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:38,300
eyes that's when I'm comparison 
when I'm in comparison and 

735
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:42,100
questioning and in doubt, that's
when I always wished that but in

736
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:46,000
the moment and when I sit with 
it, we talked about this on 

737
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,700
whenever I pass. 
Tapas Odes of how. 

738
00:45:47,700 --> 00:45:53,300
Oftentimes, at least for me what
I view is, one of my gifts in 

739
00:45:53,300 --> 00:45:56,700
life, also causes me sometimes 
the most challenged and 

740
00:45:56,700 --> 00:46:03,500
self-doubt, because it's not a 
gift that's like, accepted as 

741
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:08,600
normal in society. 
It's not looked at as safe and I

742
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,900
could about guarantee that all 
of us have aspects in ourselves 

743
00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:14,700
that we actually. 
Like when we let go of all the 

744
00:46:14,700 --> 00:46:19,000
bullshit that were told, We're 
actually we love that about 

745
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,000
ourselves but it's also full of 
challenge because it's not 

746
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,900
normal quote, you know, it's not
what you know in a way. 

747
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:29,100
I feel like some of that is 
probably more normal than what 

748
00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:33,000
Society has made us believe. 
But yeah, I agree. 

749
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,700
It's like almost like for me it 
feels like my body stops 

750
00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:38,800
working. 
Like if I were to like, keep 

751
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,700
doing it and I, huh cat, that's 
kind of what happened to me with

752
00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:47,200
my personal social media so far.
I like, as As of late. 

753
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,700
I just I'm in this huge 
transition with myself and 

754
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:53,800
although I can foresee in the 
future coaching playing a role 

755
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,700
in again, all of the stuff I've 
learned in this past year, if I 

756
00:46:57,700 --> 00:47:01,300
get into my head I can sometimes
be like, what the heck are you 

757
00:47:01,300 --> 00:47:02,200
doing? 
Kylie? 

758
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,500
But I know I've learned so much 
and it's all going to come back 

759
00:47:05,500 --> 00:47:08,600
around. 
But I just hit this wall and I 

760
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:12,800
could not, I could not keep 
going because it felt 

761
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,200
inauthentic to my like inner 
being my soul. 

762
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:21,300
And I'm I need to take a moment.
This moment has turned into like

763
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:26,800
four months of like, collecting 
all of the things I'm interested

764
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,700
in collecting back parts of 
myself that I ignored for a 

765
00:47:29,700 --> 00:47:33,800
while. 
And I think when we can get so 

766
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:40,500
caught up in doing one thing, 
like your example with law, you 

767
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,000
weren't able to interact with 
parts of yourself. 

768
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,500
Because your mind, you're kind 
of like Interviewing was always 

769
00:47:48,500 --> 00:47:53,200
like focused on that one thing 
and I don't know, Alexis if 

770
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,500
you've ever experienced 
something like that but I that's

771
00:47:56,500 --> 00:47:58,500
kind of what burnt me out of 
what I was doing before because 

772
00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:02,700
I realized I was ignoring so 
many parts of myself. 

773
00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:07,800
Meanwhile, it's so funny because
my message was to like, get all 

774
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,300
the parts of yourself and be 
you, but the way I was going 

775
00:48:10,300 --> 00:48:14,000
about that was blocking off 
parts of my own self expression.

776
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,800
So I do that's guess a little 
Update as well. 

777
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:21,300
So that's how human design has 
helped me so much. 

778
00:48:21,300 --> 00:48:25,500
And even though only Emily and I
have different profiles, we were

779
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:27,500
talking kind of like the three 
in the one, but we're both 

780
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:30,800
generators. 
And that has helped me a lot 

781
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,600
this year because I mean human 
design already just confirms 

782
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:35,900
what you already know to be 
true. 

783
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:39,500
It doesn't predict or tell you 
anything crazy or unknown or 

784
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:42,200
anything like that. 
But being a generator, we're 

785
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,500
meant to be lit up by life and 
lit up by what we're doing and 

786
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,600
nobody has Ever said that to me,
it's like, you need to figure 

787
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,400
out what you're good at and go 
make money and support yourself 

788
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:56,300
until you die. 
That was kind of what I perceive

789
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:57,900
life to be. 
Because that's kind of how a lot

790
00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:01,400
of people act. 
And I've literally been told 

791
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:07,500
that multiple times and I just 
started asking bigger questions.

792
00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:08,800
I'm like, there has to be more 
to this. 

793
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,200
And then in making those 
decisions, I've gotten better at

794
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,700
it, this year because feeling 
into the generator energy, if 

795
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:19,700
you're not lit up, If you feel 
absolutely drained and like if I

796
00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:22,800
cannot get myself to write an 
Instagram post that just flows 

797
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,500
out of my fingers, I don't write
it and I'm feeling absolutely 

798
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:28,500
drained and cannot get myself 
out of bed. 

799
00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:32,000
I'm like okay, I need a day to 
just unplug and so paying a lot 

800
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,400
more attention to my body. 
This year has changed the way I 

801
00:49:35,408 --> 00:49:39,100
make decisions and then we both 
our gut instinct, sacral 

802
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:41,400
Authority. 
So learning to trust that what 

803
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,300
that feeling feels like for me 
and then to trust, it has 

804
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:47,700
changed a lot. 
In my in my process. 

805
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:52,900
Well, I think also going back to
what Carly was saying about it 

806
00:49:52,900 --> 00:49:58,200
not being accepted because the 
whole kind of narrative is 

807
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,600
commitment, that is also the 
more masculine Dynamic. 

808
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,500
And as we know, the masculine 
Dynamic does run the world at 

809
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:08,800
the moment. 
It is the predominant voice and 

810
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,500
it's this, as you said, Kylie 
that's commit to one thing and 

811
00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:14,900
do for the rest your life. 
Both of you said that make money

812
00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:20,000
and The illness straight and 
narrow path and then you have 

813
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,800
the famine and dynamic of only 
go here and then I changed my 

814
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,700
mind and all I want to do it 
again and actually, no, I'm 

815
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:27,900
going to go back and I'm going 
to do another thing and that's 

816
00:50:27,900 --> 00:50:32,500
kind of where you and I fall 
into it and it's definitely not 

817
00:50:32,500 --> 00:50:36,200
as popular in kind of social 
discourse at all. 

818
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,100
What's funny? 
I love that you brought that up 

819
00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:43,000
again because one thing I want 
to say is something that helped 

820
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,700
me through this time period 
because I basically Committed my

821
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:50,800
committed to my own thing for 
the longest I ever have. 

822
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,400
Like, I went through four years 
of University and I loved it. 

823
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,900
I worked my butt off and it was 
so exciting and so many ways, 

824
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,600
but it was still like an outward
commitment, you know, because 

825
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,500
you're signed up for this 
program here in school for four 

826
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:05,800
years. 
That's what you do. 

827
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,700
And then I did my master's 
program, but again, it was out 

828
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:12,400
with her something, taking me 
through this. 

829
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:15,600
And so this past year, I 
committed to exploring this as 

830
00:51:15,700 --> 00:51:18,500
Aspect of myself and doing it. 
And that was the longest I've 

831
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:22,900
ever committed to something on 
my own kind of and so when I 

832
00:51:22,900 --> 00:51:26,100
started to realize I was just 
that this kind of burnout, stage

833
00:51:26,100 --> 00:51:28,000
of like, this doesn't feel good 
anymore. 

834
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:32,000
It was really hard because I was
like, oh here I go again, not 

835
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,900
committing to something or like 
breaking a commitment but I 

836
00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:39,500
realized I have been committed 
to something consistently 

837
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:44,600
through my entire life and that 
is me like me my Evolution my 

838
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:49,300
own self expression. 
And that is kind of been a has, 

839
00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:51,900
kind of been a mantra, I've been
telling myself because when I 

840
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:54,000
get into this doubt of or being 
like, Oh my God. 

841
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,300
So I felt like filtered through 
five ideas in the last two days,

842
00:51:58,300 --> 00:52:02,900
but I'm like, no, I'm I am I'm 
committed to something. 

843
00:52:02,900 --> 00:52:05,100
And it's the most important 
thing that any of us can be 

844
00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:09,700
committed to is our own personal
evolution in our expression on 

845
00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:12,400
this planet because that's what 
we're here for. 

846
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:19,400
And that just looks so different
to So many people and I'm so 

847
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:24,500
thankful that I am on his path 
and I can speak for you to. 

848
00:52:24,500 --> 00:52:28,700
I think we're all on this path 
of of discovering who we are and

849
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:32,900
going deeper because it's not 
for everyone, like not. 

850
00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:35,600
Everyone is here in this life to
do this work. 

851
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,000
Sometimes I can look at people 
like that which may be making an

852
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,600
assumption, but sometimes I can 
look at them be like, oh, that 

853
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,500
must be an easier because he's 
so nice. 

854
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:51,300
Because it's not always easy but
I am so grateful that like I'm, 

855
00:52:51,500 --> 00:52:54,700
I am going through this and 
those around me are on this path

856
00:52:54,700 --> 00:52:59,800
to because it's so rich. 
It's rich in everything. 

857
00:52:59,900 --> 00:53:04,600
In the good, the bad, the happy 
emotions, sad emotions. 

858
00:53:04,700 --> 00:53:09,400
And yeah, we're here to feel and
we're here to feel big I think 

859
00:53:10,100 --> 00:53:13,900
and what you just said, 
absolutely links back to kind of

860
00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:18,700
what we started speaking about. 
We're in my opinion, the primary

861
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:22,400
thing that dictates how your 
life looks externally, is your 

862
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:27,700
relationship to yourself, right?
And so, I can't remember who 

863
00:53:27,700 --> 00:53:33,100
originally put this idea into my
head and I'm really sorry to the

864
00:53:33,100 --> 00:53:38,200
original Creator, but I once was
introduced to the concept of 

865
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:44,900
you, you're being being similar 
to the Statue of Liberty, how 

866
00:53:44,900 --> 00:53:47,100
she used to be? 
Copper and she's now blue 

867
00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:51,200
because she's oxidized, right? 
Is that the word oxidized? 

868
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:57,300
I don't know but if you had to 
kind of like clean her and strip

869
00:53:57,300 --> 00:54:00,600
away those layers of 
oxidization, she would still be 

870
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,300
copper, right? 
And so it's a similar concept to

871
00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:09,000
you are born as this whole 
complete worthy, human being 

872
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,200
where you were absolutely 
perfect or something wrong with 

873
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,500
you, you're not wounded and 
through life, we pick up these 

874
00:54:15,700 --> 00:54:19,600
Experiences that kind of like 
add these layers, that somewhat 

875
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:27,300
detract, from who we are, or 
cause us to disassociate from 

876
00:54:27,300 --> 00:54:32,900
who we are and doing this, work 
is all about stripping back 

877
00:54:32,900 --> 00:54:35,500
those layers to get back to who 
we always were. 

878
00:54:35,500 --> 00:54:38,500
It's not about becoming somebody
else or Reinventing yourself. 

879
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:41,800
It's just about getting back to 
who you actually are before the 

880
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,000
world told you that you were 
wrong. 

881
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,900
Or, you know, Our single 
shameful or ugly or Unworthy of 

882
00:54:48,900 --> 00:54:53,400
being who you are. 
So in that way, by committing 

883
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,600
your entire life, to your own 
self expression, that is the 

884
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:05,800
most beautiful way to honor that
core of who you are, even though

885
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,600
I don't know about you Kylie, 
but my experience has definitely

886
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:13,900
been that the world has tried to
tell me that by not committing 

887
00:55:14,100 --> 00:55:18,800
quote unquote, too. 
One thing I am wrong but again 

888
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:24,300
that as you just said that 
commitment to to who we actually

889
00:55:24,300 --> 00:55:29,900
are is of absolute primary 
importance and I think that's 

890
00:55:29,900 --> 00:55:32,700
why it's also so important that 
we're all doing this work and 

891
00:55:32,700 --> 00:55:34,300
helping others through it as 
well. 

892
00:55:34,300 --> 00:55:37,100
Because like you said at the 
beginning, Emily, the 

893
00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:41,200
relationship to self is the most
important and if we don't build 

894
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:45,500
that and self knowledge, and the
ability to look though, 

895
00:55:45,700 --> 00:55:50,000
Expectations in the face and 
hear them said to us and yeah, 

896
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,900
like I still can get kind of a 
twinge of like oh that hurt a 

897
00:55:53,900 --> 00:55:57,400
little bit but to be able to 
take a breath and be like, okay,

898
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,000
but that does not rule me. 
Like I have my own relationship 

899
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,300
to myself and I understand what 
I'm doing and it's okay. 

900
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,400
And to be expected that no one 
that some people don't get it, 

901
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,500
we're not here to understand 
everybody perfectly. 

902
00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:16,400
We're just here to, you know, 
hopefully hold space for 

903
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,200
everyone else's self-expression 
and their own unique voice in 

904
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,800
the world. 
Yeah, 100%. 

905
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:30,300
And maybe even impact people 
that you know have not thought 

906
00:56:30,300 --> 00:56:34,700
of living life this way. 
Even if it's right it was kind 

907
00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:38,400
of like yeah, yeah, exactly. 
I mean, just just energetically 

908
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,700
the way that we can impact 
people without even saying a 

909
00:56:41,707 --> 00:56:45,300
word is so powerful. 
Then if we start actually 

910
00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:49,200
teaching or voicing some of 
these Concepts, Outreach becomes

911
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,800
a whole lot greater. 
That was a beautiful close to 

912
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,300
this. 
I don't know how it's been an 

913
00:56:55,300 --> 00:56:58,300
hour. 
Now, we're with go by so 

914
00:56:58,300 --> 00:57:02,900
quickly, but we have one final 
question for you. 

915
00:57:02,900 --> 00:57:06,400
But before we ask that, I'd love
if you would promote yourself 

916
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,300
where we can find you, what 
you're currently offering or 

917
00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:12,500
what's going on in your world 
and yeah, how we can, how we can

918
00:57:12,500 --> 00:57:19,200
find you amazing. 
So my primary social media is 

919
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:24,600
definitely my Instagram account.
I am very committed to only 

920
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,100
doing one form of social media, 
because social media, just 

921
00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:32,200
completely takes up way too much
space in my head polygon 

922
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:37,000
resonate again. 
But my handle on there is at 

923
00:57:37,100 --> 00:57:43,000
Emily Viner Cooper V Ina to 
Scottish family name. 

924
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,800
Anyway, I needed some how to 
distinguish myself from the fact

925
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:51,600
that I have two very common 
names as my first and last, It's

926
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,500
okay. 
We all my middle name. 

927
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,000
Yeah, well link it on amazing, 
amazing. 

928
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:03,300
So yeah, currently my primary 
thing is one-on-one coaching. 

929
00:58:03,900 --> 00:58:06,700
That's what I've been doing for 
the last year with my amazing 

930
00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:12,300
private clients this year. 
I am launching kind of group 

931
00:58:12,500 --> 00:58:16,500
dynamics, not so much, a group 
program, but definitely more 

932
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:20,400
kind of group dynamics. 
But yeah, those are still in the

933
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,300
pipeline. 
So, you're gonna have to wait 

934
00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:29,100
and see but so exciting. 
So Thank you so much for sharing

935
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:31,300
your time with us. 
Our final question that we are 

936
00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:35,700
asking everyone is what is one 
lesson in your life that you 

937
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:41,300
have had to let flow maybe learn
more than once and yeah that you

938
00:58:41,308 --> 00:58:45,200
just had have had to learn to 
flow through but of a deep one. 

939
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,500
But we're going to go there. 
The number one lesson that I've 

940
00:58:48,500 --> 00:58:55,800
had to learn to flow through is 
That you have to allow other 

941
00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:03,000
people their process. 
And some people may resonate 

942
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,200
with the some people might not 
that's okay. 

943
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:09,600
But I was always someone that 
jumped in to try and fix people 

944
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,500
or save people and again going 
back to that purpose of helping,

945
00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:14,700
right. 
There's a difference between 

946
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:21,300
hope being in and having this 
like need to save and fix and 

947
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:26,300
The biggest lesson is finished 
here of the last two years has 

948
00:59:26,300 --> 00:59:29,400
been. 
You actually can't save and 

949
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:34,400
can't fix and more than that. 
You need to allow people there 

950
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,800
process. 
You need to allow people to just

951
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,200
like, I've done gone through. 
So many things. 

952
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,900
Had so many experiences have my 
heart broken a million times. 

953
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,600
Learned my lessons made my 
mistakes. 

954
00:59:43,700 --> 00:59:46,400
You need to allow people to have
that process as well. 

955
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:51,700
And you trying to control this 
situation is ultimately You're 

956
00:59:51,700 --> 00:59:58,800
disrespecting their life path. 
And so, really just need to flow

957
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:05,500
alongside our fellow human being
a friends or family members. 

958
01:00:05,500 --> 01:00:09,500
And, you know, be the embodiment
of what you would ultimately 

959
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:13,500
want them to be if they were 
showing up for themselves in a 

960
01:00:13,508 --> 01:00:17,600
beautiful healthy serving way. 
If you can embody that for 

961
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,700
yourself and you can be the best
version of yourself for 

962
01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:22,700
yourself. 
Faith, and love yourself. 

963
01:00:22,700 --> 01:00:26,000
Take care of yourself. 
You just hope that that rubs off

964
01:00:26,500 --> 01:00:28,900
on everybody else. 
That was beautiful. 

965
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,300
Well, that was one of those 
answers where I zone out, and I 

966
01:00:32,308 --> 01:00:39,400
just absorbed that was amazing. 
Thank you again. 

967
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,500
We will definitely chat. 
No group text messages as we do 

968
01:00:42,500 --> 01:00:46,300
every day, but for anybody 
listening, thank you so much for

969
01:00:46,300 --> 01:00:49,800
joining us. 
If you enjoyed this episode and 

970
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,800
loved Emily, go find her on a 
gram. 

971
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,300
We are linking everything below.
She also has a podcast. 

972
01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:58,000
I will link that to. 
And if you feel called to leave 

973
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:02,000
us a rating and review, it 
really does help us or retest 

974
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,900
Instagram. 
We would love to talk to you and

975
01:01:05,900 --> 01:01:09,500
yeah, I hope everybody has a 
great rest of their day. 

976
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:12,800
We night morning whenever you're
listening to me. 

977
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,800
Okay, thanks, I love Carly's 
little ending. 

978
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:17,200
Okay, bye-bye.