Hey everyone. Welcome to the weathering effect
episode 168. Today's date is February 15 2023
and I am Duds or Duds versus known to the rest of the
interwebs and I'm Jimbo you may know me as Jimbo slice, 23 this
month. We have a guest co-founder and
CEO of bisect hosting. Max pod could convince take you
for joining us at. Thanks for having me guys.
Did he put your last name? No, it's fine.
It's Sounded like a butcher dip halfway through it.
I went oh God, I can't remember if it was right.
Yeah, we went over this ahead of time so I had to make sure I get
got that right. But before we start would you
mind telling us a little bit about yourself and what it is
you do? Yeah of course as you mentioned
one of the co-founders and the CEO of bisect hosting the CEO
Park, Hills stare, silly to say every time for some reason.
Hmm, But yeah, we're hosting company.
We started only In Minecraft servers.
But now we do like 21, total, different games.
Wow. And we have 19 locations at this
point. When we started, we only had one
Dallas Texas, and now we're kind of all over the place.
Mmm, you're available in like Europe.
Yeah, us Europe, we have location in Australia.
We have location in Singapore and then in South America where
in Brazil? Nice.
Oh. Oh wow.
Yeah. So pretty much you know, the
matter where the customer lives, they should be able to find a
server. That has a low latency for them.
Nice, when I started the common craft SMP, we did the one in
Virginia. I think it was Ashland Virginia.
Maybe, yeah. It was awesome.
We had no latency at all. It was great.
I loved it. And that's why when you, your
people had reached out about the show, I I got excited because
I've always used by SEC and I've loved every minute of them.
This is a good guest for me. This is this is an excitement
time for me. Yeah.
When they pass that information down to me, I was it's always
really exciting to see when you know, especially if somebody who
had a server with us for a very long time because some customers
definitely come and go, you know, some they might start a
server for their friends. Now, everybody gets lazy, kind
of Falls. It falls apart.
So being able to see or like coming across customers, or
somebody that's been using it for a very long time, is
actually. It's like really.
Exciting for me. I remember the first week I had
to serve with you guys. I actually crashed it because I
was spotting into many Iron Golems messing around as you.
Should we go as we shared. Yeah, I wanted to see, like, how
far can I really push this thing?
I remember getting the getting the nose, like, hey, maybe we
shouldn't do this, took it to the Limit, but I think, you
know, any any time has anyone has if you're a server owner,
Roll or like anywhere, close to it.
You will test these things. I remember.
Oh yeah, you know, when I had my server I would and then died
discover worldedit. So I would troll people, I would
go and like delete somebody's house or something.
Maybe like just kidding, here you go on do but you know, I do
sometimes doesn't work. Yeah.
Oh, the amount of tools you guys had set us up with were through
the roof and I remember me and my My mods and admins and stuff.
Because at the time we were like, just about anyone can join
like you put in an application, you didn't have to be a content
creator. You if you just want to play
Minecraft fun, you could play on the server and obviously every
once while you do get the trolls who don't mean to just prank and
have fun, they're there to harm and stuff.
And a lot of the admin stuff you guys hooked us up with was
amazing and anytime the server would go down, we'd send an
email and I'm talking like within an hour.
We were back up and running full steam ahead, it was Great.
Yeah. Unfortunately, you know, it's
fun and games when it's between friends messing around but
there's definitely people that will try to come in and you
know, cause havoc on your server.
So we always recommend to definitely if it's a private
server to have it white lists that.
Oh yeah right because if it's just you and your friends you
know you only one for them to have access and no one else and
if you have a public server just giving people building rights by
default is usually a very bad idea.
Hmm. And especially because I, you
know, sometimes we'll have customers like, oh, hey, like
these random people join my server.
Where they come from? Well, it's from because we use,
we have to reuse IP addresses, so that IP address was probably
at some point on somebody else's server because I don't know if
you guys know like Minecraft uses like ipv4 and we ran out of
those addresses of very long time ago.
Oh so you know like every address that's Sign has been
assigned. So there's no, you know, there's
no new ones. So we can't just recycle
addresses. Yeah.
We had a white listing application process and the
amount of people who would fake an application just to get
approved to join their just to mess up.
Someone else's fun was through the roof.
Yeah, people I didn't. Yeah.
It's people crazy. Just certainly better ways to
spend your time but you know, that's how you yeah choose to do
it. That's, that's fine.
Yeah. Right.
But even yeah, even if it's whitelisted and it's, you know,
public still, I feel like giving people building rights
immediately is not a great idea, unless you have really good
systems in place, just for, you know, restoring people's builds
and everything thankfully. Like that's what's so great
about Minecraft. I think in the first place and
that, especially like the community, like, without
Minecraft Community, it wouldn't be the most popular game in the
world, for sure. Because you have so many
Talented individuals that have created, you know, thousands of
these plugins that allow you to customize your server any way
you want it. And especially the ones that
created like permission plugins and just plug ins that help you
you know that log all the changes in a server, allow you
to roll back things, you know, one block at a time.
It's insane. Yeah, I remember your guys were
like, hey, you should probably run spigot.
Cuz I'm seeing your server and this would be perfect for it.
Oh. And then it gives you access to
this, this, this this this is it's like, oh okay.
Yeah, we want all of that. It was great.
Oh, did you just started with a vanilla?
Yeah. Just straight up vanilla.
And yeah, banila performance is not great.
No, the game has been getting better but you know the default
performance is almost has been getting worse.
Just yeah. If you compare you know RAM
usage of Minecraft servers you know like 1.7 and before or
like, 1.7.10 and like to now it's, it's so much higher.
Mmm. Yeah.
I can imagine, I think I have like 20 mods in my Minecraft
folder and 17 of them are probably dedicated to
Performance. Mmm.
Yeah. It's like I don't have old
computer, like this is a newer computer.
It's beefy can do all the things can render videos really fast,
but yet Minecraft, Ghal. Hmm, blocky game.
They have a crazy blocky game extended, the not the render
distance distance, but the world block, height and level.
Yeah, so there's so much being rendered in now, especially with
that new update. Oh yeah.
When that came up, we were like, we need to like make sure this
is all going to be fine because it renders so much more.
Right? And again, I feel like most of
the improvements for performs that happen came from plug into
Uppers and the community, I know Mojang has been making more
efforts like more recently in the last like year and a half.
But, you know, still I think everybody's everybody's dream is
for Minecraft servers to fully utilize like multi core
performance. Yes.
But I don't know if that Oliver happened just because of how its
coded. Mmm.
Yeah, that's that's what me and Jimbo have been from.
So we run AMD processors for the multi because rendering videos.
Goes quicker and all that stuff but we know you run an Intel
processor. It actually runs Minecraft a lot
better and because of that single thread performance.
It's like, yeah, you got to pick your bad.
Yeah. You gotta pick and choose your
battles. I mean, you guys, I mean, it's,
it's, you're still doing it like, you know, just because you
have different CPUs like yes, you know, they say you could say
one's better than the other but bike at the end of the day, if
it's single thread as long as they're, you know, the clock
speed is up there but even that you can overclock Kid have, you
know, the most insane clock speed of your processor and no
matter what you have it, you know, it's still eventually
gonna struggle because the games, the definite bottleneck
mmm-hmm think a couple years ago, maybe a year ago, Linus did
a video where they built like the ultimate Minecraft server
and it was like, I think I seen that.
Yeah, the most ridiculous CPU, like Ram insane, like insanely
quick, SSD or like, nvme the use, and it was pretty
Impressive like it was you know he was flying around pretty
quickly in the load. The world was loading really
quick but then as soon as they up the you know the render
distance, The View distance of the server higher, it just like
even that just started to immediately struggle.
Well God forbid, they put shaders.
Yeah. Hmm.
But imagine you know being us where we have oh yeah, thousands
of customers which, you know, majority of them don't know any
of this. Anytime an issue happens like we
just get blamed which is you know it's fun.
We're used to it. Yeah.
Oh yeah probably get the finger pointed at you a lot.
Yeah I mean like I would say probably 95 or more percent of
the issues that happened there either with you know the game's
mechanics and either like performance issue with Minecraft
itself, then you can have an issue with a plug-in or a mod.
If you're running a modded server because at the end of the
day you have a game that was created by one.
Artie. Then you have server software
you know like spigot paper that were created by yep.
Massive teams of other developers because then you
know, you have a lot of people contribute into that and then on
top of that then you have plugins that were made by many
other people and then you know when you mix it all together
it's not always going to play nice.
Yeah I think we've found our groove with fabric now that's
our main. That's what you guys use.
Yeah for just about everything including performance.
I thought fabric would, I mean it's it has certainly has gotten
way more popular than it used to be in the last, you know, like
what year and a half or so. But I thought it would you know,
blow up a lot more than it did because there is a lot of
performance advantages to it. Oh yeah.
What do you got? Do you just have a like a custom
mod server or do you place a certain Modpack?
It's mostly vanilla? Okay.
And on most of the fabric Minds, our performance God.
Got it, but it allows us to do to do certain things like custom
models and stuff like that, we try to be as vanilla as
possible. It's a very storytelling content
creator server. Okay?
So anything we can do to enhance the story, whether it be models
or making certain things do, certain things outside of the
game we do. But for the most part we don't
go much deeper than that. Models are super cool for that
for what you're trying to do because it's not Only, you know,
you have mods that can change the game completely but now you
can have models, you know, that you can add, literally, whatever
your imagination wants to the game.
Oh yeah, it's so cool. I got like this, the community's
insane. Like I don't know any other game
that has, you know, that's been as popular for as long and has
as big of a community. That's just dedicated to just
created so much content. And not even, you know, one on
one side, you have all the developers created all these
These things and on the other side you have the content
creators. Mmm-hmm all the YouTubers
streamers and all of that. It's wild.
Yeah, crazy is you think you've seen everything until someone
makes something different? Just blows your mind.
Does something with one block that you just never seen before.
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show. We've already been chatting,
like crazy. Thank you so much for that, by
the way. Yeah, not a problem.
Happy to do it. Especially that you guys are,
you know, the product and service.
So that's always really nice. One question, want to get it
onto before we hop into the news?
Is we had discussed his pre-show but any behind the scenes things
you can talk about you guys working on.
Yeah, I mean more recently, this is already out but we just added
three more locations and a location in around Seattle,
Chicago and Atlanta, which it's really nice.
Really expands that gives customers a couple more options
on the west coast. We're doing a ton of work behind
the scenes on a control panel because we currently We use
multi craft if you were to look at it though and compare it to
multi craft as it comes from the developers, you would not be
able to tell. It's multi crap.
We poured, you know, thousands of development hours into it to
make it much better easier to use.
But it's still very limited because there's a lot of stuff
that's, you know, Alpha skated and we can't edit or change or
so we're kind of stuck. So we are working on a different
solution and right now it's kind of a mess because we have three
different All panels, we have one for, you know, our budget
servers premium service, and I wanted for all the other games,
but, you know, sometime this year, hopefully, by mid-year
will have brand new control panel, which will ease a lot of
these things. And it's going to be so much
better than the current one nice.
If your hypo the stroke because I remember that, be one of the
things that Drew me to bisect was the control panel is easier
to use than some of the others. So, if it's going to get even
easier to use than yeah, great. Yeah, it's great.
Now, but the problem is again, like we've added so many things
to it, you can definitely tell that it wasn't like planned from
the beginning. Because again, that's not
something we developed ourselves, we just kept adding
to it, you know, features that we thought it was missing.
So you can kind of add is just stuff, just kind of been thrown
on top of each other, which is, you know, that's all we could
have really done but with this new one, we actually, you know,
now we have kind of a list. Oh, yeah, of everything we want.
What we were, and we know what we wanted to be.
So we're kind of Of starting from scratch, which is great.
Clean Slate. Yeah, perfect.
Another thing that's very exciting, which is public now,
also, but literally public, as of as of today, where do you
guys usually, get your models for your server?
I go to gesture Arrington, they're just, they're just
server mates. I'm like, hey, could you could
you make this? Okay that's awesome and I think
they're doing it. What program is it?
Block bench. Block bench.
Yeah. Do you know of the vendor?
Model Marketplace MC models dotnet.
No, I'm not too familiar. Basically, if you're a model
maker, you can list your models there and then for anyone in the
community to buy which is great because it opens it up for so
many different people. Well, we actually just acquired
the website because the person who you know whose baby project
it was has been extremely busy at the website has a lot of
potential because you guys know like using models is really
awesome. Oh, oh yeah.
But there's not a lot of awareness to models.
I think most like micro players don't even know.
You can do all these cool things.
So we're hoping to you know, kind of get a lot more exposure
to that world or like our customers and just like everyone
in the community in general. Hopefully to make it easier our
partners on it. Our Mythic mobs guys so we're
like super excited to work with them on this.
Yeah. Awesome.
It does sound cool. That's perfect.
Let's hop. To the news real quick.
Because we do have a pig snapshot that just came out
today. Like, yeah, Jimbo and I have
barely been able to review and look over it.
We've got some of the big things but we haven't been able to
break down deeper, let's start with the archaeology that's back
and yeah, that got announced last week.
It was announced a few days ago. I want to say and now it's in
the snapshot. Yeah.
So the pots, the vases, you want to call it our back where you
can do the custom sides, it looks so much better than it did
and that previewing of a boring. Granted, we were always told
that these were just placeholder models and textures and the
final, the final ones are very good.
I really like those. Mmm, and there's not, you don't
find them at an archeology site as of right now, you know, you
find them at the desert temple and desert.
Well, desert temple. I think you can find them at the
Wells. Yeah.
So we're given the wells, some love.
Finally. Mmm, how long have I been asking
for that? And I like the fact that they're
using the desert for these. Yeah.
Because the desert is pretty Barren.
There's not much there. Now we have camels and we have
archaeology so livens it up a little bit I'm glad now it's
like super you know this is as official as it could be too
because I know before people you know is mostly rumored but no
more. Oh yeah yeah they took it out
and we didn't ever at least know if they were ever bring it back
so it's good to see that they brought it back.
Yeah I remember specifically. He telling Jimbo oh that's not
coming back. It's gone.
And here it is. Yeah, mmm.
Yeah. So you got to look for something
called suspicious and it's a little different.
Yeah. To get the pot textures.
The brush is back. So you sweep away yet, you don't
need copper to make this like before.
It's just two sticks and three string the pretty easy.
Oh nice. I did a, I started a world in
the new snapshot just to see what it was like.
And I actually ran into a temple went into creative real quick,
and grab the brush And it's pretty cool animation.
Yeah, your brush to block the guy.
Got a diamond and emerald and one of those.
What is it a shart? Yeah, I think you could call it.
I think. I think you call it Richard.
Yeah, it was the skull one found three blocks inside the temple.
Nice that I could brush away. Yeah.
There's different varieties of things.
You can get just pretty cool. You can mix them with bricks if
you don't want to put a design on every side, I don't know.
If you can craft an entire blank one.
I think you can from the pictures I've seen But I do No.
Yeah, I missed it. I remember to craft it.
You used to have to put it above a fire.
Mmm. Yep.
Like a campfire and let it go. It would Harden.
I don't know if you do that now. Yeah, some things have changed
but I'm just glad they're bringing it back.
The sniffer is coming to 120. I think we originally were
thinking it was coming a little bit later on the next one
because of how long the islet took to come.
Yes, sniffers coming. Ringing.
Its ancient seeds and flowers with it.
Yeah, we get to see the new flower.
I haven't seen the new flower yet.
It's called like a torch flower. Yeah, try to see if I could find
that. I know the name of it and I was
flipping through and I couldn't find any pictures of it real
quick. So I was trying to read the
notes from the snapshot and I didn't focus in on too many
images but it'll be a surprise to me.
I was watching exhume avoids video, he goes over the
snapshot, that's how a lot of the information.
It's pretty or the snapshot and he mentioned one key point.
It's called a torch flower. I feel like it should give off
light. And that's what he was saying.
I agree. Yes.
How cool would it be to have a flower that actually?
It is like, yeah, even if it's just like, light level 7 or
something. Yeah, doesn't have to be
anything crazy with the, the new lighting effects and spawn stuff
that I would like that. Yeah, another thing I did was
spawn to sniffers and I didn't try to breed them.
I wasn't sure did catch how you bread them toward fire with the
flower. That's how you breathe them, I'm
pretty sure. Okay.
That's I think that's what I read.
Also read you couldn't tame them, okay?
That sounds great. I guess they're free to roam.
Yeah, really wish. I could ride one though.
That'd be really cool. That would be cool.
Probably fit four people on them.
They're pretty massive. Yeah.
Right. That's what I was just gonna say
like for when they first kind of we're announcing him to where,
you know, you first see it in game.
It's so much bigger than I thought.
It was right. Hmm, you're huge.
Yeah they're pretty mess. Is it actually two blocks.
Tall. I think you can see over it a
little bit. Okay, so not quite playwright,
I'm not positive, I don't know, I'm looking at these well
actually, one picture, I'm looking at the player is
actually shorter than its back. Hmm.
Maybe I was a block above, I'm not positive.
I think it might be taller than two dollar.
Yeah. Yeah.
I kind of lost interest. When they didn't dig up any
seeds, I sat there for like 10 minutes like they got to see.
Yeah. They were sniffing around for
good while of the animation. Yeah.
Animations are so cool. They lay down on their belly.
Yeah. Like, what?
I'm going to lose it when that happens.
Mmm, I'll maybe that's the difference in height between
it's next to the player when it's laying down versus
standing, maybe, maybe. And finally, the big one that
was just announced yesterday the cherry blossom by.
Oh yeah, I was didn't expect this me.
Either one of the things that did not expect.
Yeah, this has to be one of the most requested tree other than a
palm tree in the game. Yeah, probably right.
I'm trees with look weird in Minecraft.
How would you even do that? Oh, you can't say that I build
so many palm tree. Yeah, we make them, you know,
we've got a lot of palm trees around our base.
Would be strange to see them grow, I guess.
Yeah. Like what am I thinking?
Random growth? I guess I just looked up a palm
tree in Minecraft would like, okay, that makes sense.
That's not how I was imagining it but I'm also A a terrible
Builder. I, you know most my base was
always in a cave, never in a nice house that's me.
Like, if you were to see my latest episodes, all I do is I
find a big Cliff face, put a nice facade on the front and
they just dig inside, go into your hole.
I would all this spend more time on like my storage and instead
of the actual house. Yes, yeah.
Same, I spent two weeks designing my storage room to be
just right for the entire season.
Even I love storage rooms. It's like playing Sims.
Like all right. 30 hours in building a house.
Time to start a new one. Not actually play the game.
Exactly. Mmm.
So behind the scenes, I went to school for architecture.
Yeah. When I came out of school, there
were new architecture jobs. It was the 09 just recession.
So, yeah, I've gone on and I've done other stuff.
Never came back to architecture, but that bug has always lived
inside of me. And my friend was like, You
should play Minecraft because you would actually understand
some of the building mechanics and stuff.
Sure enough. Yeah, that rubs off on me and I
just started building things and building things and then I got a
job as an electrical technician for industrial vfds and stuff
and they didn't have money to send me to school to learn it.
They just had one of their technicians teaching me and he
found out that I played Minecraft and to learn a lot of
these circuits that were on these drives and stuff.
He taught me through Minecraft because his kid He's played
Minecraft PE and he understood the electrical circuits through
Redstone. So he used Redstone to teach me
like, industrial electronics. And it's just it's a great game.
It really is. Yeah, yeah.
Now there's so many educational aspects to it, especially like,
you know, getting into Redstone like, learning all the gates and
everything is, can you can learn a ton.
Oh yeah. But even like, you know, some
players turn server owners like either, like, oh, login
configuration, File. Let me look at that.
I've never seen this and it goes and then you know four months
later they're like coding their own plugins in Java.
Oh yeah. So as an architect would you use
the new cherry blossom? Would what do you think of that?
No I wouldn't. I'm not a big fan of the pink
would ya especially because cherry blossoms cherry wood.
As I know it is not pink, but maybe I'm thinking of it, I
don't know the tree obviously very well texture-wise in game.
I like the flowers I think they should be a bit more
transparent. Yeah.
Little bit see-through. They don't really fit with the
other leaves but I use the bushy Leaf texture.
I really like the 3d effect that gives off to me.
I kind of compare it to purr, purr.
Purr purr is a great block, but it's one.
I've never been able to use correctly and I feel cherry
blossom. Trees are going to be the same
way to me. It's a great block, But I me,
personally, I'm not going to be able to use it very well.
Yeah. Now that I'm looking at It's
more like a yeah it's purple. Well, it's kind of got a lot of
peach in there. Oh, you come?
Yeah. It's the unstriped log though,
is like straight up purple. Oh yeah.
That's a hard the log in. But then again, I always thought
I'd have a little bit of trouble with the Warped, wood from the
nether but I use that stuff all the time now.
So maybe maybe that changes its so Brown on the outside though,
people might use it as like accent blocks where you, you
know, depending how you place it.
So you can only see He liked the pinkish middle.
Yeah. And and the outside still looks
Brown. So it kind of fits with all
their would, but I don't know, there's people people will come
up with a way to use it. It's going to look really nice.
I'm sure, 100%. Yeah, that was just about to say
the same thing normally when a new block comes out that were
not a fan of somebody makes it popular.
Yeah. They immediately build something
and do see it can be used like yeah.
Okay, you're right. Hmm.
The It's got stairs and slabs, right?
You can make a roof out of this and grooves.
Can be difficult to do. I will say it probably works
really well with jungle wood. I could see that it's more of a
peach color. I will say, the flower carpet
thing. That's what they're calling it.
I'm excited to use those. I can't wait for that.
And also the leaves. They give off a like an ambient.
Yeah, a little particle. Drop.
Ya particles. I couldn't tell if it was that
was the leaves or if it was just the Bayou, Home.
It was the leaves, are you sure? Because you know, people will
call us out on this. Call me out, that's what I saw.
And I was exploring the cherry blossom but I did find one of
these. And yeah, there's flowers
everywhere and I look up and I was looking at the particles and
making sure I saw where these things were coming from and
yeah, it was is coming below the leaves but the big question is
if you sure these leaves law and you take them to a different
biome and place them and place them do.
Still get the same particle, right?
Yeah. Didn't do much testing, just
wondering. Well, I mean we really didn't
have a lot of time right? I mean I got home a dinner and
then we were already getting in a call.
Okay and everything ready to go? Mmm.
Yeah but with these three new things, it's actually looking
like a update like I'm more excited about it along with like
the armor trims things that we didn't know about during the
reveal. Don't forget jukeboxes.
Yeah. They got the Redstone.
And everyone's been asking for, hmm, so that's cool.
I might actually use that in my base.
Yeah, they don't have the, what is it?
How they filter out of the Jukebox, just into the Jukebox.
I thought you could Hopper them out.
No, you can't Hopper them out as of right now.
Well, maybe. You know what?
Might get called out for that. Yeah.
If you haven't dispenser, that shoves a disc into the Jukebox,
that already has a disc in it. It would filter the previously
playing disc out. Yeah.
As what, I was seeing was with if you right-click on the
jukebox that disc comes out and not into the hopper below, but
maybe, when the disc is done playing it, might filter out.
Do you have any idea what they're going to call this
update? I always thought they said the
express yourself update. Mmm, I don't know if that was a
fish. I don't know if it's official
either, but that's what I've been calling it.
Yeah, said that was kind of along the lines of the theme.
Definitely get that with the the archaeology with the pottery and
the The trim. Specially the armor trim.
This was the final feature release or 120.
They went ahead. And they mentioned that in the
blog post for the snapshot today.
So, no new features will come. I'm sure we'll get something new
later. This is kind of an add-on to
what we've already seen. Yes, hoping for another mob.
We got cables and sniffer hoping for maybe one more.
Hey, you get what you vote for? Yeah.
Mmm, unless you voted for copper go low.
Right? I'm seeing a lot of those
tweets. Now, about people wishing.
They would have changed their vote to Copper Golem.
I think I'm one of those people. Orale anyways, let's move on to
our last episode question and we wanted to know what you guys
thought about armor trims. Most of the people on Spotify
said they are great addition for customizing your armor and most
of the people on YouTube or Tide, we Had.
Yeah, between a lot of. Yeah, three of the options were
pick and it wasn't great. Addition, it was too hard to
find the template. It's the right balance between
effort and reward and should affect gameplay, IE, gold trims,
keeping piglets from attacking you.
How you guys voted on all of those and tied, three of them.
I don't know. But hmm, it happened.
Yeah, let's vote on YouTube also then Spotify this trip, bona
fide Romans had 100 votes. It's yeah.
But we have a listener, comment this one's from awesome 2399.
And this is for Max, and they say, would you say there's any
particular advantages to hosting versus just starting a realm
tons? A lot of advantages to self
housing, if you just want to like vanilla Minecraft, super
easy who've just like a few people Realms are obviously
super easy to do but then on Realms your limited, you know,
you can Can't, you know the it's either two or up to 10 players
that's it. You can't pick your own location
so you don't really know where they're sticking your server.
I believe they use AWS still so I'm sure you know that they have
a lot of great locations but again you don't know it for
Minecraft most of the time. It doesn't really matter you
know on the latency. It's but obviously the farther
you get, it could matter especially like in PvP
situations but General gameplay, not really but then you're also
Do what you can do. Like, you can't install any
mods, you can install a new plugin.
So like all the stuff we talked about earlier about, if you have
a public server, keeping it protected and everything is, you
know, kind of out the door with that.
And then you know, you never never get to experience the
modded side of things which there are so many mod packs.
And you know, if you if you think plugins change the game a
lot or with modpacks it's like you know, you're playing
completely different games and stories that people have
created. Yeah.
Modern Minecraft's always been a huge part of the Creator
Community for a long time and it's definitely ramping up again
content. So there's a lot of people
watching their favorite YouTuber.
Play modded version and they're trying to jump in and do it
doing it with their friends. Can't just do that on Realms,
right? Yeah, there's, it's just
customize a that ease-of-use. Yes.
But like, if you want even, you know, an ounce of customization
like you, you definitely you're not going to be happy with it.
Another huge thing is like for us, like it's support has been
like our priority since day one. And like we said earlier, you
know, you run into many issues with just Minecraft and all
these things. And if you run into issues of
Realms, like Mojang is not going to get back to you in 15
minutes. We will see if you have an
issue, you know, he could be resolved, much quicker.
Yeah. Like if on their Realms read it,
there's so many. He posts of like people asking
others for help because you know it's because they don't really
have anywhere else to go. Thank you guys for those
comments but let's move onto Creator Clash.
We're going to start by announcing this month's winner
for Creator clash. And then we're going to talk a
little bit more about last month's.
This time, you guys were choosing between a hammer data
pack, which allowed you to mine quicker, the terror list over
World evolved datapack, which added new biomes and such.
And then the way stones data pack, which would add fast
travel to your world. In the winner of Creator, Clash
is Way stones. This is the one I wanted to win
so badly. Yeah, I was so happy to see it.
So, in my single player world, I use command blocks to already do
this because this world was created before the nether
update, I was like, well, I don't want to travel through the
nether until the another update hits, and I just never went
back. I still use these little command
box, like, I've buried command blocks, deep underground and I
have a little button. That activates Redstone.
So, when I want to go to my mining desert, I travel out to
basically, Way Stone Island, which is like, a couple hundred
blocks away, but it allows me to fast travel to different places
in the Overworld. And when I saw this data pack, I
went, oh, I want to try this so much to see if it's better than
the thing I have set up. You know, I did a little
research on it ahead of time and it is exactly what it is.
So it's you find. I think it's an Modern egg and
it creates a Way Stone to where you can go place a place you
don't like you mentioned fast way to travel but the way it was
implemented into the game. It's very Minecraft E.
Yeah. Like it looks like something I
would like it to be a little more rare to find.
I'm not sure how rare was when they found it on it.
Maybe it was just an example. But uh yeah, I love the way it's
used in the game. It's very Minecraft e.
So like the last cringer Clash, I'll end up doing a live stream.
Where we do this on stream but we also have a question for Max.
He goes, how can you configure and edit your mod packs with
bisect hosting? We make it really easy to
install and update modpacks, I think, at this point we have
close to 800 mod packs. That can be just installed with
a few clicks automatically and then Windows the developers of
those modpacks release updates you'll actually be notified In
the control panel, there is an update.
You could literally just then select the new version, click
save, press restart, and then the mod packs going to be
updated. So we make that process, super
easy because again, you know, my packs are so awesome with my
crowd but for so many could be so intimidating because, you
know, you have to yeah, just upload the files yourself, not
everybody's comfortable with doing that or like your place it
in the wrong location. This just does it all for you.
And then as far as just configuring, Stuff again, you
know, we have if you're an advanced user, you have your
favorite FTP client, you can use that.
But we also have a super awesome online file manager with, like,
a really great text editor, so you can edit stuff, right?
And a paddle without, you know, having to download anything
else, which again, makes it much easier, especially for those
that never hosted before just not familiar with any kind of
Hosting. Yeah, and like I said, when we
were running common craft, we used spigot, or whatever and
sure. F.
Yeah, we just get a little blip and we know that it was time to
update and everything was good to go, and we just restarted the
server. And again, it worked like a
champ every time I loved it. It was real easy.
Yeah. It's a, no, it's great.
I think that's where we shine again our even if you, you know,
and if we don't have a mod pack you want or like your run into
whatever issue like we're happy to install whatever Modpack you
want for you. That's cool.
We're never going to tell customers.
Hey you know like that's this is not Not.
This is not an RN, Google, it figure it out on your own, like,
no matter, no matter what, right?
Mmm, no matter what it is, will help him out.
Like, as I told people before, I'm like, I think if a customer
even creates a support ticket asking, you know, help with
their homework will probably help him nice.
Last episode on Creator, Clash. You guys chose the John Smith
Legacy resource pack and we did a live stream going over a lot
of it. I believe Carl has uploaded it
to our YouTube channel. So if you want to go back and
watch it, you can some quick thoughts.
I had about it. So there's a lot of detail in
this resource pack, or than I was used to.
It was very much an over saturation of detail compared to
the vanilla pack, and I definitely didn't build in a
way. Were, it was an easy as a
conversion to that resource back.
I wouldn't ever just be able to turn it on on a previous build
and everything look 100% correct, right.
But if you were planning on building a Medieval theme and
you wanted to add a lot more life and theming to your build
using this resource pack alone is beautiful.
Yeah, it seemed like a lot of blocks have that medieval look,
but then, like some other ones, like, kind of looked a little
Uni and it might be because I love the hard lines.
Yeah. In the detail hard lines are
such a tricky thing to build with.
Hmm it's definitely one of the things I'm constantly looking at
in a build palette but to me the one thing that stands out is the
villagers were creepy though. I could I like the Villager, you
liked him. I couldn't look a villager in
the face. To take it.
Seriously. Hmm.
That's why I like them. Okay.
Because I couldn't really take him serious.
I just look at her, like I'd laugh.
I kind of wish this guy would turn around.
The workstations to have stare at me while I'm trading.
I just want to keep talking to him.
I could see that from you. Hmm I was a little disappointed
though though. I made a big deal out of it.
The creepers the creepers had a crazy looking face too.
Yeah, but the footage I solve this head creepers wearing
headbands and I made a big deal. How how these creepers got
headbands, they don't even have hands.
Ty, headbands on like it's did. It didn't make any sense.
I remember you going. How do they Put the headbands
on. They have no yeah why?
They got head bansal. Just didn't make any sense and
then on your version that you played they didn't have so as
little disappointed but also like okay this makes more sense.
Maybe the zombies put them on for them.
Maybe seem to travel with each other.
All right, time to talk more bisect hosting Jim.
I think you had a couple questions you want to ask.
Yeah, before we started with the discussion, I wanted to ask Max
how bisects started, you know where he was involved in it.
Man, there's a long time ago but the short story is basically I
had my own Minecraft server that I started due to the server that
I used to play on just going down and I've always been into
technology The Internet of Things.
Things, you know, if Ahmed, since since I got my first
computer, if I'm at home, you know, I'm at the computer.
I'm not doing anything else. Mmm, so that I was interested
me, so it's like, hey like how does this all work?
You know, how do you host your server?
So then, you know, I started hosting my computer, it was
supposed to be temporary. My connection wasn't good
enough. So I was like, let me try using
a host and had it for a couple weeks.
And then I was like, all right, the server, I used to play it,
you know, usual, tell you on his back up, time to go, but Then,
all the other players on a server.
They're like, no, no, don't shut it down.
Like, we like it, we're ready, build stuff, blah blah.
And I'm like, oh, and then I just felt bad.
So I was like, all right, I guess.
I can keep it around for, you know, maybe a month or two, I'll
pay for it and then and then yeah that just kept growing.
Then it kind of grew. We started to use, you know
upgrade to the two, different servers using different host.
We you know first said shared hosting, then a VPS server, then
a dedicated server then we Bought our own Hardware that we
call located and all through that, like, entire Journey.
We kind of noticed that there is not really great customer
support and like I love when like companies provide customer
support always have and I was like, why is it so bad?
I'm like we can definitely do a much better job.
Like what you know like why are these people tell me to Google
something like I'm using their service on paying them money
like they should know, the more helpful, right?
So, Then I, that's how I went, you know, to the co-founder
Andrew, he's our CTO. So, he's in charge of old like
the tech side of things, and I'm kind of in charge of all the
business side of things. I mean, I was like, hey, I'm
like, we should try doing this ourselves.
Like just clearly a spot in the market for somebody that just
provides much better support. And there we can stand out and
like, there's a couple of other features I had in mind that
nobody had. Like, since day one, we've taken
seven days of backups of every single Minecraft server smart,
it's More common now. But, you know, 11 years ago,
nobody was doing that and I was like, we should and, and he was
like, no. This is going to be like, much
more expensive to serve is going to be more expensive because we
have to buy you, no more Hardware more drives but as I
yeah but it's worth it because like I'm like how many times
have we, you know, screwed something up on a server and we
like we're kicking ourselves because we like wish we could go
back and he's like yeah, that's true.
And I like since they want people like that was one of, you
know, our customers favorite features back then it wasn't as
fun though because we used To restore backups manually.
So they had to create a support ticket.
I'd obviously, like, eventually we had a system where they can
do it themselves now but yeah. So just, you know, kind of saw
an opportunity and then we went for it.
I had a credit card to Newegg, I was like, let's buy a bunch of
parts there. You know, if this, if this
fails, it's a lot of money that bunch of student loans.
And I'm like, this would be in addition, like, having all this
money on this credit card, but it's, you know, It's not like it
wouldn't be, it would be tough. It wasn't going to be like wife
ruin and so we went for it. And then, you know, here we are
today. Now 11 plus years later pretty
wild. It's again, makes me think of
Minecraft and how it changed my life because I didn't really
know what I wanted to do and just like so many other people
that are content creators are are in the community, you want
to in the other and they're able to make you know, make people
were like living income. Like from Minecraft one way or
another. It's wild.
Yeah, sure. Mmm.
And I can speak to the customer service because that's that's
originally why I had chosen bisect hosting is, I was looking
at all the different hosting servers at the time.
And customer service was always my because I didn't know what I
was doing. I was only hosting a server
because I was playing on a server where people were getting
bullied a lot and I was like, well forget this I'll just start
my own because people were like hey yeah, do do that, start your
own will come play. And I was like, I'm going to
need someone who can hold my hand, because I have no clue
what's going on here, and choosing you guys made the
process. So, easy in the server ran
smoothly for years, it was, it was amazing.
And I would progress and I would learn in.
Like you said, I was editing modpacks myself and putting them
in and going, and it was great. It was a great experience.
It, I felt I grew as a server owner, every year, I had a ton
of mods who really appreciated the access and ease of use for
everything. So you jumping on the customer
service portion of it. Brilliant.
Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day like, you know, every host,
you know, can have, we can all use the same data centers.
We can use the same internet providers, you know, if you're
renting servers, you know, it'll be from the same people.
Like we can we don't have access to special, you know, chips that
no one else has. I have access to magical Ram
that makes, you know, Minecraft servers run better than anyone
else. So I kind of laugh when there's
like one host, advertise zero lag ever.
I'm like with Minecraft, I'm like, you're like immediately
line to the customer because like, yeah, you know, and then
even like Andrew, he would be like, maybe we should add
something, we have to her website and I'm like, no, I'm
like, I just feel bad or even adding that or saying it because
it's Minecraft or, like any game that you can.
Add mods to her host yourself. Like you will run into issues,
you will run into wag. It's just that, you know, bound
to happen. So kind of guarantee.
No, lag is strange. But you know, right?
It's like where I was like, where we can shine is the
customer service is like when the customer is frustrated, when
they are having these issues. Yes, they're going to be upset,
they're going to be blaming us and, you know, instead of
blaming them back saying, oh, this is not her fault.
This is, you know, this is a issue with this.
Like we never do that. Be you know, like you said, we
do all the hand-holding they need and pretty much every
single time, you know, once once we resolve it once, it's
explained, you know, we don't have to tell him that it wasn't
an issue in Iran. They kind of see it.
They start to understand it more.
They start to understand why the problem was caused, what it was
caused by, how do we resolve it. So, and they're like, so
thankful, you know, there's so many times, they think hard
support staff in in the tickets for and then you know, apologize
for being mad for You know, screaming the screaming of them
and all caps and everything and then just yeah, all those bad
words. Yeah.
And they just feel a lot more educated than in the future.
If something like this comes up again, you know, they're able to
handle it themselves. Mmm, nice.
Yeah, that that was something I definitely remember when I send
a ticket for support and stuff it wasn't just a hey I fixed it
for you. It's a hey this is what
happened. This is why it went wrong.
This is how we're going to fix it.
So I Would learn from the process.
And a lot of times I was fixing it before sending another ticket
later and I would only have to send tickets when I really was
just frustrated. Yeah, we're always if we see you
like somebody from sport, you know, because because we do get
busy, you know, especially on weekends, like our support team
works like extremely hard. Like they truly do so which
sometimes, you know, it's sometimes it's laziness,
sometimes it's super busy, but they'll be like, oh, I, you
know, made few changes in your circumstances.
Server. Like least try it out and like
if we see that where I was like, no that's like a big big know
that you can now just tell him you made a few changes to check
it. It's amazing you fix the issue
but that doesn't educate the customer.
It doesn't tell what happened. Why it happened?
You know that it's kind of at a like your they're back to square
one so I could it's always been super important for us to
educate and and explain to them because we you know we want them
to understand because we much rather have a you know like yes.
Ready? We already have their money so
so that we but we're not going to care about them, but like
that's a hundred percent, you know, not true.
Like we rather have a customer that sticks with us for in the
long term and that, obviously, that's, that's great for
business but also like it's amazing for that person because
they're going to learn so much more because I feel like hosts
have a huge responsibility just for the community because if
we're losing customers, because they're frustrated, because they
don't know. How to do something there's
going to leave and that's just bad for the entire Community
versus maybe, you know, for this person that we spend a little
bit of extra time hand-holding, explain it to them, it might
like turn around their entire perspective of hosting a server
and I like, you never know, like they might be the next like big
developer of a plug-in, a mod pack.
There could be like a content creator in the future because
they know they truly fall in love with it but if instead you
know, they have a bad experience and leave You know, not only,
they're gonna leave us. There are, you know,
potentially, they'll just stop playing the game, which is, you
know, bad for everyone. Like, I've always said this
community is like a, it's like a what goes around comes around.
It's like a, you know, big circle like what we do can
affect the game, like, you know, what's going on with Minecraft,
what's Mojang doing? And in fact us, yeah, like get
itself is a right. So it's one big giant ecosystem.
Mmm. Yeah.
And you hidden around the head with hosting and stuff when I
decided to To use you guys to start comic crafts and
everything. I was doing it for a while and I
had someone come up to me and thanked me.
I was like, yeah, no problem for the most part, I just
considered. I was just paying the bills.
No, big deal. I wanted to play with friends,
so yeah, sure great and they're like, no, no, you don't
understand. Like I work long hours, I have a
hard job, I come home and all I want to do is play Minecraft
with friends and you make sure I can play the game freely and
fun, and not have to worry about things like leg or someone just
trolling my base. And destroying it and stuff.
And so I then took that responsibility seriously and
having you guys had my back making sure my server was
running at the maximum ability. Made the process so much easier.
Now this, I mean like when people are in servers, it's
their own, you know, the build their little online communities
and they, you know, become friends like some of them.
You know, I've known people from my original server that I still
talk to now and it's like, I've never met him.
You know it real life ever but it's still like they feel like
there's like closeness to it. No matter what and enduring
covid like for what around a year or so it was amazing to be
able to hang out with these people in some way.
You know you could you couldn't hang out with people in person
but at least we were able to hang out with them online.
So I think it was an outlet for so many people even more than it
is now. Oh yeah sure.
Especially going through a pandemic last couple years.
It's been Massive thing definitely hear me does have it
met in real life and there were pretty close guaranteed me and
Jimbo talk at least every other day.
Hmm, are you guys at a same stator how far you pretty close
actually East Coast. Yeah.
We're by eight hours away from each other and you guys never
bad. How long do you know?
Each other Jimbo actually joined commie craft about a year for
ten. So how long has it been?
Was it five or six years? Now it has to be at least five.
Oh my God you guys. As you guys have to meet.
Hmm. Oh eventually we wanted to do
Minecraft live. Yes, but it's an online thing.
Yeah, they do have tables for podcasts and Minecraft news
General. But yeah, we're hoping if they
do have a live event in person, we'd be able to get it table.
Be able to do the show there. Yeah, be a lot of fun.
Finally, I'm telling you guys but like you know everybody that
works for us as So until like earlier this year or no, it was
enough of a December. I don't remember not too long
ago was like be. So before that I've only met my
business partner Andrew because you know, at first I was like,
look, I'm like if we're doing this like we should probably
meet because he lives in the UK, by the way, and I'm in the u.s.
so that made it, you know, mmm-hmm it was a little bit more
complicated, but I did meet him a few times went to his wedding
and Everything. Well, nice.
And but I've literally never met any other single person.
You know, the entire company. And then we had a little, we
have a bunch of people. The kind of live somewhat close
together on the east side of the country.
Like Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania area.
So we like did a small get-together and it was, it was
great. It was really a, I was like,
wow, I'm like, I can't believe, you know, it took 10 years for
the for me to meet more than one person from the Yeah, that's
pretty cool. Yeah, for us Carl our digital
producer, he's in the UK also and the crazy thing is the
reason Carl works so well with us is we basically call Carla
vampire. He's on us time.
He's up during the night sleeps during the day.
Pretty sure he's a vampire. Yeah.
So it just so happened to our. The way our times met up.
We were constantly playing the game with each other and then we
started doing this. This podcast and car was like,
Hey you know all that stuff you don't like doing like filling
out descriptions in the show doing thumbnails and stuff.
Carl's like oh man, I love doing that.
So he's good at it, he's very good at it.
It was actually super helpful for us for Andre to be like for
us to be so far apart. Because when we started for the
first, you know, like year year and a half it was just us.
So like we were handling everything.
We were doing. Mmm, even back then we still had
24/7 support like, since day one.
But it was just me and Andrew, like, I would, you know, would
cover the first basically, 12 hours.
And he would do the next 24 hours and I don't know what
would we have done if we both lived in the US for both lived
in Europe. Oh yeah.
Thankfully like the the distance the time distance between us did
help because you know I would be like okay it's I lived on the
East like on the eastern time back then so I was like all
right it's you know 2:00 my time was 7.
O'clock his time. So, I'm like time to go to bed
and then do it all over next day.
And yeah, that is pretty convenient, convenient.
Yeah. But it was so much work because
I also had like, well, I had two jobs going to school so it was a
it was a rough. Yeah.
Wow it's true. That's why I had bad grades.
I had one more question. The bisect hosting name?
Oh yes, we got it. We got go over that.
Yes. Where did that?
Where did the name come from? But story is we used to be?
We started as the Minecraft host.com.
Then we got contacted by Mojang lawyers and they were like two
official, even though you have plenty of companies.
Now that have pretty name close that names that are pretty close
to that. And you know, they just look
past it, so then we became Pro Minecraft house.com and at that
point then we were like adding more games other than Minecraft.
And we were like probably for, you know, the long-term of for
the company's sake we should probably They get rid of the
name Minecraft. Mmm out of the company's name a
while. Amazing for SEO, not very good
for, you know, for copy possible, copyright infringement
or like Mojang having issues. Yeah.
So then the more lawyers I wanted something that kind of
like real word but like made sense but didn't made sense like
you have a lot of these companies where you like, the
name is a, it's a like a real real word or whatever, but you
say it so many times it. Kind of it just becomes that
brand and nothing else, right? We're obviously nowhere near
that level. So then I was just like deep in
my Google searching for like random turns.
And I think what happened eventually as I Google like
mathematical xand like mathematical in science terms
and one of them was by SEC just like it, which means, like
something is that split into two parts and as I kind of like how
it sounds bisect hosting and I'm like, it's mean Andrew the
company's divided into was started by two people.
People, mmm. And I'm like, let's just go with
that. And then so not a very cooler,
exciting story, but that's how it happened.
Now I was asking because it does roll off the tongue.
Yeah, it works like, you know, you don't have to think burn
twice about it. Also I'd related or somewhat
related. I'm very excited because I just
got a custom license plate for my car that says by SEC.
Because it was available, and I was very, very excited.
Like a child nice. You had to jump on that.
Yeah, so I do want to remind The audience that Max is offering
our community, 25% off on any by sick Game servers for their
first month. This is for new clients, only
visit bisect, hosting.com Twee and use the code twe at checkout
to receive the discount again, one more time.
Thank you so much for the code Max.
Yeah, of course, happy to do it for you guys but I think that's
going to do it for today's show before I have Jimbo reaches out.
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You guys have an awesome. Thank you so much for getting
where their drugs us? Franco drink your milk now.
Alright, see you guys. Hey, you guys want a free car
out real quick? Let's do it.
Hey, Carl! The backup computer audacity
stopped working. I lost all of it.
Oh, Carl is just crapped himself.
He doesn't even know it yet, doesn't it?
It was. His 21 were pretty close to time
as it is now. And because this has stopped
working. I kind of want to wrap it up.
So at least, we can definitely have a backup for the post-show.
Oh, you weren't kidding. I'm not kidding.
Back up, like, just straight up. I looked over and it, that's it.
Literally popped up and said, but there is an error with this
program is closed program. Yep.
Oh no.