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Do you think having more inner 
peace would give you more 

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fulfillment? 
How about letting go of control?

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Do you think that'll add to it? 
And what about psychedelics? 

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What role, if any, do they have 
to play in this? 

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Join me, your host Pete Taylor, 
and my guest today, Ben Kumar, 

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as we explore all those avenues.
Ben, my man, welcome into the 

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Awaken Man pod. 
Good to have you. 

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Mate, finally, we've been 
wanting to do this for a while, 

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so let's let's be thankful that 
the universe aligned us and May 

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let's do it. 
I'm excited. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
And let's just get straight into

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that. 
So prior, prior to this pod, Ben

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and I were just talking about 
the need to control the the one 

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for inner peace. 
The combination of being a 

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fucking warrior, being a savage,
having drive direction, going at

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life, but also all that. 
How the fuck does that interlink

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with the spiritual realm and, 
and just being a little bit more

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slower and being a little bit 
more calm and going with the 

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flow of life. 
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Ben and I've been on similar 
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years in tapping into that 
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We have and it's beautiful. 
Do you know what I mean? 

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Let's let's talk about the path 
to getting kind of stuck in that

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energy because that's what we're
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We're talking about the 
energetic human and what our 

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potential is and what energy 
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You and me have both been 
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We've both been A type 
personalities, very driven, over

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ambitious and however that has 
manifested both with negative 

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and positive energies. 
You end up getting kind of stuck

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because you read all this 
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confirmation bias that, well, if
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more output, I get more reward, 
I get more money, I get more 

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acclaim, I get more success. 
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energy and that's that 
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where you're just your life's A 
to do list and you judge 

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yourself worth based on how much
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you've earned and stuff. 
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I got rewarded for doing more. 
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I broke, I got ill, I got long 
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I had to take like 18 months to 
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And as a result of that journey 
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really question like every area 
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And that's where I think we've 
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A lot of a lot of these kind of 
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that if you are not aware and 
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around you, you will get stuck. 
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frustrated. 
You'll make yourself I'll, 

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you'll make yourself angry. 
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day and go. 
This hasn't led me to the point 

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that I thought I would get led 
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not more fulfilled. 
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kind of just identify how we get
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kind of explore potentially a 
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behaving. 
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Recall probably four years ago 
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Pete's got amazing business, 
loads of people working for him,

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has nice, nice things, like 
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I remember lying on my bed in so
much stress and so much internal

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pain. 
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was like cancer growing inside 
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everything that was going on in 
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Absolutely freaking everything 
to the way that my team were 

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acting, to way my clients were 
behaving, to the all the 

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internal processes and systems 
that are going on in my bricks 

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and mortar business. 
I was buying a house and and 

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controlling the outcome of 
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Everything right? 
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successful on the inside. 
I felt like I fucking had cancer

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growing inside of me. 
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super tight, my neck super 
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everything in my body just felt 
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trying to squeeze and control 
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And I went through that. 
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well, this is surely this is the
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It just, I'm just going to keep 
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more people, buying more things,
getting the bigger houses, doing

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the things that I thought were 
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externally. 
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a dip in my mental state that I 
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I was like this fucking more To 
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more to my life isn't working. 
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And I, I let me like share a 
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energy here. 
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out there that have been written
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Eastern philosophies of of kind 
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there's lots of other, there's a
documentary on Netflix, actually

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on Amazon called Heal and it all
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energy can be stored in the body
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different ways. 
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energetically it, it kind of 
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still think you have to 
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I don't think you can just 
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especially if you're just, 
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it. 
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functional people as humans, 
we've very much developed in the

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21st century to be head and 
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OK, let's be logical about this.
What's the best decision for me 

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in my work life, in my marriage,
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And actually what we really want
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heart is saying, our gut is 
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And I think we have an intuition
pandemic, like so many people 

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are not in touch with their 
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Like, where do you want to go? 
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That's what we need to be 
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And the fight that so many 
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my gut that I want this, but my 
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saying this, my friend's saying 
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society's saying this. 
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conflict all the time. 
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spiritual journey that I've been
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two to three years, I was 
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neck pain. 
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day, every day, neck pain every 
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head couldn't concentrate. 
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for ages. 
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I removed foods I was sensitive 
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had a significant effect on my 
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that was originated from was 
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holding onto. 
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practitioner that I've been 
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was doing some energy work on me
and she said, your foot's really

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blocked. 
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properly. 
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And I said, I don't know if it's
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moving. 
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see you've got massive friction 
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of your body? 
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done for a long time, I can't 
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right hips worse, my right 
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whole right side of my body. 
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go to your masseuse. 
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to like now and again for a 
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whatever. 
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foot and all I'm going to do is 
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to internalise releasing that 
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I'm ready to let go of the 
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breath work, energy work, your 
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response when you're starting to
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something. 
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meditation as this practitioner,
Paul was massaging my foot and 

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nothing was really working. 
And then I said something and I 

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got this wave of pins and 
needles all over my body, like 

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this electrical charger just 
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And I was like, interesting. 
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hour of this massage while Paul 
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through and deepening into this 
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I'd kind of stumbled on. 
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when I was dealing with my back 
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I was like, what if my back pain
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emotional story that is hidden? 
And I'd been through probably 20

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osteopath path appointments, 20 
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Like for years I've been trying 
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So I went to back to Paul and I 
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the same again that we did on my
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And I'm just going to meditate 
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through my back to my neck. 
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and I was saying stuff like, I'm
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I've experienced and ready to 
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this. 
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I was like, hmm. 
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minute and I said, I'm ready to 
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longer serve me. 
And again, I just got this 

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electric shock, this buzz all 
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that and started to just explore
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me. 
And my whole back loosened off, 

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my neck loosened off. 
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pain ever since. 
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been exploring a lot of 
different things around stories 

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that I've told myself, beliefs 
that I used to have, traumas 

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that I used to have through 
breath work, psychedelics, 

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energy healing, meditation, 
reading, increasing myself, 

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awareness. 
But that was really profound for

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me on an energetic level, how 
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the body and look at how the 
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how our mind and our soul 
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And I just think it's 
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And so few people are even 
starting to tap into that stuff.

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We talk about mindset. 
It's way beyond that. 

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Like, we are energetic human 
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We are connected to, you know, 
Mother Nature animals, You know,

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how good do you feel if you go 
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It's an energy thing, oxygen 
like connection. 

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And it like, and I just, yeah, 
really want people to explore 

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this stuff because it's fucking 
powerful. 

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Well, we, we are, we're feeling 
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We've, we've, we feel shit. 
We have emotions. 

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Emotions is energy in motion, 
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It's that, it's, it is that we 
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But I think with us specifically
with us guys, energy is more in 

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is more, is more in the 
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So us guys thinking more in our,
in our, in our logic, in our, in

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our analytical. 
It's like, well, let's be more 

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in the mind. 
Let's it's got this. 

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This has got to be a mindset 
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I need the next mindset hack. 
I need the next business 

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strategy. 
I need the next tool or system 

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or structure to, to get to the 
next level. 

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But actually it's, it's 
essentially it's both, right? 

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It's, it's having the tools and 
the systems and the structures. 

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And it's also having, like you 
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flow, the energy, the, the 
spirit having, having inner 

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peace. 
It's having both of those, the 

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yin and the Yang together, which
makes us way more integrated. 

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Something that we were talking 
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man is archetypes. 
Carl Jung, the the psychologist 

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there who, who talked about 
archetypes many, many, many, 

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many years ago and the first 
like 4 archetypes he was talking

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about that that most guys have, 
all guys have as a core is 

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number one is our, the persona, 
the ego and the, and the ego 

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being the essentially we build 
the ego from us placing masks on

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ourselves. 
So when when we when we're young

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children, we go to school, we 
place a mask on ourselves to 

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impress the teacher or to rebel 
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impress our friends or to rebel 
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Our parents are saying something
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parents, but we're putting a 
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It's not, it's not always our 
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We put these masks on to 
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us, right? 
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so on and so on and so on. 
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long. 
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it's our and it's our ego. 
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from our true self. 
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life is where we, we know what 
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They just don't give much of A 
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They just like about who likes 
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getting rid of the masks and and
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their true self. 
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the head there with getting rid 
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people bring awareness to this 
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happens, and I did this for a 
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choose which mask was me and I 
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kept getting angry and 
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this. 
I don't, I don't need the masks.

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None of them are real. 
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spirituality. 
It's leaving all of the masks, 

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letting go and finding inner 
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it's like a a plaster for a 
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It's like, OK, I see I have this
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I see I have this story. 
I see I have this belief. 

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I'm going to get some tactical 
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underneath there's a story which
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truth and you're going to always
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believed truth until you release
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deep on this stuff is so 
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in and release trauma. 
You have to let it go. 

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You have to let go of stories 
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really trying to let go of every
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everyone. 
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this, your story starts at your 
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So if I said to you, I think you
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you're like, oh, I can't because
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blank canvas, as a human, I'm 
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I'm open to the power of people.
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about the ego. 
The ego gets in the way of help,

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and help always comes from other
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Other humans are our path to 
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success, greater enlightenment, 
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Every breakthrough happened 
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Even through if a human wrote 
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epiphany reading that book, it 
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So we've got really got to open 
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unfortunately, I'd like to think
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The male energy, the go getter, 
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We're very good at blocking 
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navigating. 
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hinder our ability. 
And I did that for a long time. 

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I was like, no, that that help 
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I'm going off over here. 

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humans and just listened to 
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really, really helped me because
I was just getting in the way of

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myself all the time. 
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And that's, that's just being a 
wounded guy, right, got got 

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wounds. 
But and actually what what you 

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said earlier about the mindset 
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plaster that you're just 
overlaying rather than going 

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deeper into it. 
It's like, I see this, I saw 

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this in myself. 
And when I made this switch and 

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made a fucking tremendous 
difference is that for so many 

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years, I would do the podcasts, 
watch your YouTube, I'd read all

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the fucking books. 
I'd do the courses, talk to me 

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and I'll tell you exactly what's
going on. 

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I'd be, I'd be able to 
intellectualize it very, very 

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well. 
And I see this, I see some of my

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own guys. 
I'm like, guys, you're fucking 

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intellectualizing all this 
stuff, but you're not actually 

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doing it. 
You're not actually going deeper

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into it and truly, truly 
understanding where it applies 

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to you and how you can work 
through that. 

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You're just intellectualizing 
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You're just listening to all the
podcasts, reading all the books,

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but it's not fucking making any 
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You got to go and do the work 
and the work is chaotic. 

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The work is hard. 
It's painful because you'll 

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uncover shit the you might not 
know was there and it's 

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difficult, but that the path the
path to do this is through, not 

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just on the outside. 
Yeah, and this journey is super 

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painful because when you break 
down the ego, you go through 

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huge bouts, or I have, and this 
is what I've been told from 

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other spiritual teachers, is you
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insecurity because you you lose 
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So it's like, who am I now? 
I've lost that layer, that mask 

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that I had, and I kind of went 
too deep on this journey for 

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quite a while. 
I was doing too much deep work 

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and it was leaving me really 
kind of, I'd say 

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discombobulated. 
I was kind of struggling to 

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function. 
It was affecting my business, my

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team, my family life because 
people were like, can you seem 

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really like unstable 
emotionally? 

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And it's because I was going too
quickly and peeling back too 

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many of these layers. 
And you could argue that's a 

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good thing. 
But I still have to function. 

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I have to be a dad, I have to be
a leader. 

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I have to innovate in my 
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But I want people to be aware of
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happen. 
Like if you feel insecurity, 

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you're on the right path. 
You are now having to re 

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navigate your truth and that's a
beautiful thing. 

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Lean into it. 
Unfortunately, most people lean 

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away because it's like whoa, 
this is uncomfortable. 

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I'm just going to read another 
book that's full of alpha energy

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interest. 
Try go, go, go, go. 

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And I I bet you, I bet you it 
will not be the answer. 

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No, no, no. 
And it, and it, it is so like 

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just going, going into some of 
the work that that I've done 

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over the last few years, therapy
being some of that, somatic 

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therapies being some of that 
breath work being some of that, 

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and also psychedelic experiences
being some of that. 

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I can say that every one of 
those things is fucking hard. 

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Like I think about my next sort 
of experience doing that. 

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I get nervous. 
I'm like, Oh fucking hell, 

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what's what's going to come up? 
Like I get nervous doing it. 

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But like every time going 
through that, I learn something 

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new and I'm able to piece 
together something new. 

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Like my psychedelic experience 
that I did just over a year ago.

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Fuck it. 
I I described that as like 400 

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years worth of therapy in four 
hours. 

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What did you do? 
I did psilocybin. 

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OK. 
So I did psilocybin. 

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I did a heroic dose of 
psilocybin. 

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So it's, it's 5 grams of it and 
it was a it was a ceremony. 

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I did it out in Ibiza that it 
was someone I, I, I trust is a 

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shaman is, is, is a client very,
very trusting guy. 

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And I went there with intention.
It wasn't I wasn't going to get 

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fucked up. 
I was going to to process and 

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and do some work and and see 
where that takes me. 

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And it was farking so difficult.
It was, it was an incredibly 

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difficult those those four hours
felt like 40 hours. 

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It was, it was incredibly 
difficult. 

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But afterwards. 
I mean, guys around me, like 

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guys at work with me, like 
fucking LP you'd like, there's a

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noticeable difference in you. 
Real, real noticeable. 

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I'm like, yeah, I fucking shed 
some layers. 

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I've taken off some of the 
masks. 

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It's so beautiful, though. 
I love seeing that in other 

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people because I'm like, Canal, 
you're a growing dude. 

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I love it. 
I saw a friend, He's actually 

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been in your program. 
I don't know if he still is. 

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Sam Moynihan. 
Yeah, he still is. 

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Yeah, good guy. 
Yeah, so I saw Sam 3-4 weeks ago

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chasing status live Milton 
Keynes Bowl. 

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He was there and I walked up to 
him and I was like, dude, 

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fucking love how you look. 
You look lighter, you look good,

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like whatever you're doing, 
respect. 

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And he just sort of like, nodded
and there's a knowing nod. 

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You don't have to say anything 
more Like it's like, yeah, I'm 

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doing the work. 
And it's so beautiful and it's 

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so amazing when you can be 
around more people. 

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They're constantly growing. 
Like, you know, you're seeing 

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their journey and you're like, 
oh, I'm, I'm going to kind of go

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over there. 
And if you speak to anyone 

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that's been on any form of 
spiritual journey, not one 

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person ever go. 
Oh, I wish I could go back to 

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the start. 
Yeah. 

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I don't like what I've found, 
man. 

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It's not good. 
It's not because once you see, 

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you want to go, well, what else 
can I see? 

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I want to see through me fully. 
I want to see more. 

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I want to see wider. 
I want to see people. 

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I want to see energy. 
I want to see humanity for what 

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it really is. 
And we've become such a 

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dysfunctional species. 
When we think about how we live 

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our lives, like so many people, 
it's just like get up, go to 

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work over caffeinated, 
overstimulated, overworked, try 

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and train, try and look after 
ourselves, run around, go to 

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bed, do it all again and so much
more to life on an experience 

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level, an energetic level. 
And then you look at the other 

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side of that and most people's 
kind of root away for that or 

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escapism is kind of alcohol, 
transient holidays that don't 

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serve them, you know, meeting up
with friends that don't serve. 

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And I'm just like, there is so 
much more to life than that. 

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So much more in my opinion. 
In my humble opinion. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Well, those, their vices, you 

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know, the, the, the drink, the 
drugs, the fancy holidays, it's,

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it's essentially just hiding 
away from some deeper pain. 

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And, and it is advice, you know,
feels fucking good in the 

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moment. 
You know, having a drink or, or 

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taking something or, you know, 
watching porn, whatever. 

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It feels good in the moment, but
it takes away from the future, 

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right? 
That's and that, and that's 

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massively, massively common for 
so many guys. 

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And it's and it essentially is 
hiding deeper shit that's that's

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going on within their bodies do.
You want to navigate back to 

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control because when we open 
this podcast, you, you sort of 

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mentioned control. 
And I think what's really 

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important or maybe just a really
simple starting point for anyone

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listening to this is I think 
there's certain things that we 

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want to control. 
Definitely, like if you run a 

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business and you're going to go 
to work for seven hours a day, 

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you want to kind of control your
To Do List to an extent. 

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You want to be focused, you want
to work on the highest leverage 

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tasks, etcetera, etcetera. 
But within that, there also 

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needs to be a real letting go of
what is within some of those 

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tasks. 
So you talked about working with

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team members, working with other
people. 

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The more that you try to control
an outcome, the more that you 

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inhibit the beautiful flow of 
energy between people. 

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So if someone, let's say you're 
in a meeting, 6 people in a 

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meeting, you're talking about a 
project, whatever. 

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If you try to be too dominant 
and try to control too much 

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because your ego thinks that you
have the best outcome, you are 

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not going to bring together the 
power of the collective. 

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And the more that you can just 
almost sit back and just listen 

449
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,920
and let the, the energy in the 
room just flow, flow, flow, 

450
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,840
you're going to create a more 
positive outcome. 

451
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,440
It will take longer. 
And that's the problem with the,

452
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,360
the entrepreneur, the male 
energy. 

453
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,680
It's kind of like, why are we 
talking so much here? 

454
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,480
I can see a solution. 
Let's do the solution. 

455
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,320
Let's go and let's move on. 
But then four weeks later, 

456
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,440
you've broken it because you 
haven't thought about this and 

457
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,160
that, because you restricted the
flow of energy. 

458
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,000
Then you think about outside of 
that, like if we try and control

459
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,880
too much in our family life, in 
our friendship group, like you 

460
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,520
don't just allow everyone to 
kind of mould and flow together.

461
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,800
And what I've learned is the 
more that I used to control, the

462
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:50,000
less I saw, the less I saw of 
other people, the less 

463
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,160
opportunity I saw because you're
basically walking down a road 

464
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,800
with a pair of blinkers on. 
But if you can move slower with 

465
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,920
less control, more feeling of 
being aware of what's happening,

466
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,280
what people are saying, what 
opportunities are cropping up, 

467
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,520
You're like, hang on, there's a 
little Rd. over here. 

468
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,080
Why? 
Just that, that the, the energy 

469
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,280
on that road. 
I'm, I like that I'm just going 

470
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,840
to walk down there. 
It feels beautiful. 

471
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,120
Hello. 
And then you meet someone and 

472
00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:16,440
then you have a conversation and
then it opens up and you're 

473
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,720
like, well, actually. 
And if we control that, we will 

474
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,120
miss all of that. 
And now I've really tried to let

475
00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:25,240
go a huge turning point for me 
in this. 

476
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,440
There's a book called The 
Surrender Experiment by Michael 

477
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,320
Seeger. 
And I read that. 

478
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,760
Yeah, great book. 
I read that last year when I 

479
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,160
went to holiday with the kids in
Centre Park. 

480
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,680
I'd get up, I usually get up 
about an hour before the family.

481
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:43,000
And I used that hour to read 45 
minutes of that book and did 15 

482
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,320
minutes meditation and raced 
through that book. 

483
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,440
And at the end of it, I was just
like, yeah, that was good. 

484
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,600
I'm really going to tune into 
this. 

485
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,920
And I just. 
And it, it wasn't easy. 

486
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,400
Like I didn't click my fingers 
and just, you know, drop into 

487
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,880
the flow of life. 
It took work and I had to unpack

488
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,320
some other stuff, but it was 
just so beautiful to just see 

489
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,640
how really the world was working
and unfolding for me if I 

490
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,440
allowed it to, rather than just 
walking down the singular Rd. 

491
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,040
where I was trying to control 
all the variables because my ego

492
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,280
thought, oh, you know what's 
best man, You've read the books.

493
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,120
Yeah, yeah, that that that book 
too, changed my life. 

494
00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:21,960
I actually took up Jager off the
back of that book. 

495
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:29,160
And me too. 
Yeah, and, and now what I love 

496
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,520
is the polarity that I have 
between getting on the mats and 

497
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,200
having a fight in jiu jitsu or 
getting up the gym and really 

498
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,840
hitting it hard in the gym and 
then going into doing some yoga 

499
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,560
or doing some meditation. 
It's the the the complete 

500
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,560
opposite. 
But those those two things 

501
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,240
together, it gives me, it's me 
that masculine side. 

502
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,000
And then it also, and it also 
again, gives me that real nice 

503
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,800
slow, easy flow side. 
And I, I feel fucking loads 

504
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,640
better for it. 
Like things in life, life's 

505
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,000
fucking chaotic. 
Life's always challenging. 

506
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,200
There's always, there's always 
things going on. 

507
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:11,320
But the more at ease you are 
internally just like, and the, 

508
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,080
and to not control the things 
that are going on in life, it 

509
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,480
does give you that sense of 
inner peace. 

510
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:22,800
And it's way easier just to go, 
OK, here's an example, right? 

511
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,640
A couple of months ago I was 
running an event. 

512
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:29,280
This is the first event that I'm
running on my own. 

513
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,040
Normally I have other 
facilitators. 

514
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,200
I'm running it on my own in the 
UK and London and loads of guys 

515
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,200
turning up and I've mapped out a
schedule on a fucking post it 

516
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:44,760
note, schedule on a post it note
in the back, in my back pocket. 

517
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,280
And in the morning I've just 
gone to drop off my son to my 

518
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,600
ex-wife. 
And then I'd walk him back and I

519
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,080
was like, oh, let me just grab 
the schedule and just read it 

520
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:59,280
before I go into this two day 
session with loads of guys And 

521
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:00,480
I'd drop. 
I'd lost it. 

522
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,960
It must have just come out. 
When I take my phone out 

523
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,240
somewhere in London, it's gone. 
And honestly, fucking a couple 

524
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,760
of months before that, my brain 
would have gone wild. 

525
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,760
Shit, shit. 
I've got no plan. 

526
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,160
I don't know the schedule. 
What the fuck am I going to talk

527
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,440
about? 
And I'm like, dude, take this as

528
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,000
a gift. 
Surrender to now you don't have 

529
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,800
the schedule anymore. 
Now you can't be so controlling.

530
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:24,800
You're free. 
Just go with the flow. 

531
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,000
Go with the energy. 
Yeah, dude, I went with the flow

532
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,320
the entire weekend. 
Didn't plan it just because I'm 

533
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,320
just going to go with the flow. 
Whatever I feel, I'm going to 

534
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,560
teach, I'm going to teach now. 
I've got to do another event 

535
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,520
this weekend. 
I have tripled the amount of 

536
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:39,960
guys that are coming to this 
event. 

537
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,880
And I know it's because the, the
the first one was so successful 

538
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,400
because it's just all about, 
hey, just trust your intuition 

539
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,080
there, Pete. 
Trust my intuition that I know 

540
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,680
I'm talking about Jam with the 
guys. 

541
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,960
Don't be so structured. 
And it worked. 

542
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,040
Love that. 
And you can only really start to

543
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,960
do that when you are tapped in 
to a certain extent to your 

544
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,720
intuition and your abilities. 
The universe is hauntingly 

545
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,880
sending us messages like that 
was a message from the universe 

546
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,200
to say, hey bro, you're you're 
ready. 

547
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,200
You don't need to control this 
environment anymore. 

548
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,520
You need to listen to the 
energy. 

549
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,720
And I had that similar journey 
with public speaking where I 

550
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,680
used to have quite a lot of 
slides and, you know, points and

551
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,040
stuff. 
And then I just, I, there was a 

552
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,800
moment where I just tuned into 
the audience in front of me and 

553
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,120
I was just like, I had this real
internal friction that I was 

554
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,400
like, the people that are here 
today do not want to hear what 

555
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,520
you're about to teach. 
They don't. 

556
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,680
And I just looked at the faces 
in the room and I just said, you

557
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,200
know, I had a presentation 
planned today, but I'm, I'm not 

558
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,960
going to do it. 
And I had a couple of things I 

559
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,040
got off my chest. 
And then people started to share

560
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,440
in the room and I started to 
really just pick up on the 

561
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,160
energy because the energy just 
didn't fit what I was about to 

562
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,760
teach. 
And it was the most beautiful 

563
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,360
presentation I've ever done. 
Like it just fit. 

564
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,600
It worked. 
And again, that was a sign for 

565
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,680
me from the universe that you're
ready to tune into what people 

566
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,320
need. 
And part of my journey in being 

567
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,280
able to help other people is 
surrendering to any judgement I 

568
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,280
have about a situation or a 
person or whatever. 

569
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,840
Like if someone sits in front of
me and I look at them and 

570
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,640
they're overweight, they look 
tired or whatever, the 

571
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,760
controlling brain based mind 
will be like, oh, this person 

572
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,720
needs to get a freaking bed on 
time, needs a calorie deficit, 

573
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,480
all this kind of stuff and say, 
oh, tune into their energy, tune

574
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:28,920
into their words. 
What are they saying? 

575
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,120
Oh, actually they've got this 
big thing that they don't know 

576
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,800
how to verbalise and get off 
their chest. 

577
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,440
Let's get into that. 
And that probably solves all the

578
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,480
other stuff, but you've really 
just taken time to listen and 

579
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,720
kind of TuneIn and stuff. 
I love that story, by the way, 

580
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,040
to go back and be a little bit 
practical and just to match the 

581
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,960
ego, to control and to 
situations. 

582
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,520
Something that anyone listening 
to this might be able to do is I

583
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,480
read a book years ago and it 
kind of talked about this 

584
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,560
principle where when you change 
environment, so let's say you go

585
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,120
from work to home, you walk 
through a door frame and that 

586
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,040
door frame is a signal for you 
to be a different person as you 

587
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,440
walk into that room. 
And I did that for a long time 

588
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,560
and it kind of worked a bit, but
again, it was a controlling 

589
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,280
brain based thing. 
So it's like right, I'm now 

590
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,600
going from work to home, I need 
to be this person in the house. 

591
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,360
And it was a conscious 
behaviour. 

592
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,760
It's like right, I need to be 
like fun or happy or whatever, 

593
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,720
leave the day behind. 
And what I've now evolved that 

594
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:36,160
into is what energy do I want to
share and experience in this 

595
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,920
moment? 
And what I've learned to do is 

596
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,800
almost be a blank canvas in any 
situation. 

597
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,160
So after this podcast, this 
podcast will finish. 

598
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,080
And an old me might be like, 
right, I've got to get into that

599
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,560
task that I said I'd do and I'd 
jump on my e-mail and do 

600
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,160
whatever. 
Now I always take two or three 

601
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,120
minutes and I just go, let's 
just have some silence. 

602
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,920
Where's my energy? 
Where do I need to move next? 

603
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,280
And just taking that one to two 
minutes as a person before you 

604
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,160
go into the next environment 
just allows you to just where am

605
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,680
I at? 
Where do I want to be? 

606
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,760
Where's my energy? 
Where's my thought process? 

607
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,680
Where's my emotions? 
Do I want to heighten that 

608
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,400
emotion? 
Do I want to leave it? 

609
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,320
And that just allows you the 
space to make a different 

610
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,640
decision, because in that space 
is your ability to change how 

611
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,120
you're going to behave in the 
next moment. 

612
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,680
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
I love that. 

613
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:33,360
What am I actually your door 
frame analogy that something 

614
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,320
slightly different that can be 
very practical for anyone 

615
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,120
listening. 
One of my clients is a, is a 

616
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,800
Sergeant in the police force and
he is like a, so he's an armed 

617
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,880
Sergeant. 
So him and him and his force, 

618
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,120
they, they, they literally deal 
with the most traumatic events 

619
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:55,360
that the police do in the UK. 
And he said he was like, dude, 

620
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,600
like when I'm at work, I have to
be a savage. 

621
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,120
Like it's like literally my, my 
role is I fucking have to be a 

622
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,200
fucking warrior. 
I'm going into these like 

623
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,440
dangerous, dangerous zones. 
And then I get home and with my 

624
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,560
family and I've still got that 
savage mode on. 

625
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,320
And, and I was like, OK, well, 
how about this? 

626
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,480
How about like when you pull up 
to your house in the car to 

627
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,600
getting out your police car, 
whatever car you're driving, and

628
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,760
just before you get out, your 
trigger is that when you open a 

629
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,080
door, you just flick this, you 
flick your switch from this 

630
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,880
savage policeman that you have 
to be during the day, because 

631
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:36,360
that is your role to, you know, 
flick the switch into the family

632
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,600
man. 
And then and just literally just

633
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,560
take a moment before you get out
the car when you pull the 

634
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,160
handle, that's that's the that's
the switch flicking. 

635
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,680
It's like your your door, the 
door frame analogy, that's the 

636
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,080
switch flicking go into the 
family man and step into your 

637
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,760
home as a family man. 
Not, not the not the savage. 

638
00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,280
It's important fucking so many 
guys just to have that break 

639
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,000
point between work and family or
whatever that looks like. 

640
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,480
Otherwise you don't turn that 
off and that and it and it's 

641
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,560
detriment. 
Can I try and improve that just 

642
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,560
through my experience? 
I think there is an improvement 

643
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,719
and I've only really tuned into 
this over the last six weeks. 

644
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,400
So I was listening to a podcast 
about Mike Chang. 

645
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,960
Do you remember him? 
He used to be the OG 6 pack 

646
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,480
shortcut guy in America, right? 
Yeah, I do. 

647
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:27,560
So anyway, he had an ayahuasca 
experience? 

648
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,800
No, not ayahuasca. 
He went on a hippie trip. 

649
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,960
He did MDMA and mushrooms 
together, literally woke him up.

650
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,639
He said, right, I'm selling my 
business and I'm fucking going 

651
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,239
off to live in Bali. 
And he went on this spirit long 

652
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,199
spiritual journey for seven 
years in Bali. 

653
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,159
Amazing story. 
It was really cool. 

654
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:48,880
And he's come back and he's he's
trying to teach all about the 

655
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,560
brain and body connection and 
how we flow and how we kind of 

656
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:56,360
cultivate and use our energy. 
And he was talking about in a 

657
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,760
lot of yogic philosophies, 
they'll talk a lot about 

658
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,000
movement releasing energy. 
And I then sort of got on to 

659
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,720
read in a couple of books around
that and start the teachings 

660
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:12,200
were observing animals. 
So when an animal has an 

661
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:17,080
encounter that is basically 
raising adrenaline, like there 

662
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,600
there's a confrontation, it 
won't just walk away and like 

663
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,320
hide, it will shake it off. 
It will like the the cat will, 

664
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,360
you know, you know, have a 
rustle, the dog will stretch. 

665
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,080
All animals have this release of
energy. 

666
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,280
So what I've tried to do, and 
this is coming back to 

667
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,560
controlling like again, if we go
into our head and be like, I'm 

668
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,600
going to try and control my 
emotions and say I'm now this 

669
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:46,080
person, you probably pair that 
with a movement to make it even 

670
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,320
more powerful. 
So when you go through some 

671
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,760
ceremonies, like energetically, 
they'll get you to like close 

672
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,000
your eyes, you'll start to go 
into an intention and they'll 

673
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,440
get you to just they'll just ask
you to shake your body, like 

674
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,280
shake your body and release that
energy. 

675
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,760
So that man walking into the 
door who's got a lot of stored, 

676
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,120
like I'm the alpha, I've been at
work. 

677
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,760
It might be quite hard for him 
to just drop all of that through

678
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,560
a mental process. 
So he might literally stand 

679
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,480
outside his front door, close 
his eyes and just like shake for

680
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,440
15 to 20 seconds really 
aggressively, arms, legs, 

681
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,920
everything, be like, I am free, 
I am flowing, I am loving, I am 

682
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,440
energetic, I am fun, I am happy.
And then he just walked through 

683
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,520
the front door. 
And I wouldn't be surprised if 

684
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,200
that really gives him this surge
of like free flowing energy 

685
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,920
because you're physically 
releasing and letting that 

686
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,440
energy go. 
And I've started to do that in 

687
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,240
the morning. 
That's really cool. 

688
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,080
Like. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

689
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:47,440
So this, so this, this guy and 
this that, we'll just talk about

690
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,960
this, this, this guy as my 
client is very, very typical of 

691
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,520
a lot of guys that do come into 
my world. 

692
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,520
It's kind of like they're 
they've maybe they've 

693
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,760
experienced self development 
before or they haven't, but 

694
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,760
they're like, fucking hell, this
is this shit that you're talking

695
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,280
about. 
I'm not comfortable with that, 

696
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,560
mate. 
That's like I said to him, I was

697
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,680
like, dude, I can't believe I'm 
going to fucking say this to you

698
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,760
because someone said it to me a 
couple of years ago. 

699
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,160
And I was like, fuck off. 
I was like, dude, you need to 

700
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,560
soften, right? 
You actually got, you got to 

701
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,560
soften up a little bit. 
And I remember when someone said

702
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,200
to me, I'm like, oh, fucking 
don't. 

703
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,040
My chest pops up. 
And this this weekend at the 

704
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,000
event, him and I got, there's 43
guys coming and I'm going to 

705
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,400
take them through that sort of 
thing. 

706
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,000
There's going to be a process 
that we're going to do. 

707
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,160
It's going to be quite somatic. 
It's going to be very fucking 

708
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,240
primal and it's going to be 
around movement and I know 

709
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,360
probably 80% of the room will 
have not experienced it before. 

710
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,400
And I, I don't know, it's going 
to make them feel pretty fucking

711
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,160
uncomfortable for the 1st 5 
minutes until they until they 

712
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,720
experience what they will 
experience afterwards 

713
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:55,480
energetically, emotionally, 
their feelings, how they feel in

714
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,880
their body. 
And then they go, hey now I 

715
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,320
understand it might look a bit 
fucking weird. 

716
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:04,000
And probably when Pete suggested
it, they're going to think what 

717
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,800
the fuck. 
But then they'll experience the 

718
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,960
state change, which will then 
hopefully they're going to take 

719
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,640
it home to their, to their, to 
their day-to-day lives and be 

720
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,440
able to do things like that to 
state change. 

721
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,080
And it'll be amazing because 
hopefully once that happens, 

722
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,760
people will start to soften 
their ego, they'll start to 

723
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,720
almost let it disappear, and the
energy in the room will start to

724
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:30,440
flow way more organically. 
Guys will start to just connect 

725
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,720
more easily because they're out 
of their heads and they're in 

726
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:34,240
their bodies. 
They're tuned in. 

727
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,000
Yeah. 
And it's such a powerful, 

728
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:37,360
powerful thing to do. 
And. 

729
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,120
One of the best examples of this
is like, say me and you didn't 

730
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,680
really know each other and we 
went to the gym, right? 

731
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,320
And we just did it. 
We just did a session at the 

732
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,160
gym. 
But I, I guarantee by the end of

733
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,880
the fucking gym session, we'd be
brothers. 

734
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,240
And it's, it's like when you get
2 guys to go a group of guys 

735
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:57,000
together and you're doing like 
energetic, you're doing some 

736
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,520
form of movement where you're 
exerting energy together. 

737
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,560
Like you've the masculine so 
good at giving love and 

738
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,440
performing those really, really 
tight bonds super, super quick. 

739
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,280
But guys, most guys think it's 
like, no, masculine doesn't give

740
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,680
love and masculine will just 
judge and and so on. 

741
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,520
And so, but it's not. 
It's the fucking. 

742
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:21,680
It is the opposite. 
Yeah, I love it. 

743
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,160
And hopefully people listening 
to this are open to it and 

744
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,360
they'll they'll start to really 
think about it because only all 

745
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,080
we can do is look at the results
we're currently experiencing in 

746
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,360
our life. 
So if you have a lot of control,

747
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,160
you are trying to operate with a
lot of alpha energy. 

748
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,680
Is it serving you? 
Is it making you happy? 

749
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,800
Does your energy flow freely? 
Do you feel free as a human 

750
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,680
operating from your truth? 
And if the answer's no, then 

751
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,240
it's time to explore a bit more 
of the feminine. 

752
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,440
Opening yourself up to other 
people to help, to love, getting

753
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,760
rid of the stories that you're 
telling yourself, rewriting the 

754
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,560
beliefs that you hold true to 
yourself. 

755
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,400
And just know. 
It is uncomfortable work, but 

756
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,880
it's really rewarding. 
Yes, it's it's incredibly 

757
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,560
rewarding and here, like I'll 
give you I'll give you a live 

758
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,840
example. 
Actually this, this is something

759
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,120
that happened to me recently and
I felt a lot of shame around it 

760
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,160
and unknowingly within that 
shame I was then trying to 

761
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,440
control. 
So someone mugged me off online 

762
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,000
and they, they didn't, they 
didn't go out and like vocalize 

763
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,800
or anything. 
They actually took, paid them. 

764
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,320
They actually took my money and 
then disappeared, right? 

765
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,360
This is thousands, right? 
I paid them thousands for 

766
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,720
service and they fucking 
disappeared. 

767
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:44,040
And I felt I was fucking fuming.
I was fuming for for a while 

768
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,840
around there. 
I also felt fucking I had a bit,

769
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,840
I'd like actual shame around 
this, that I'd allowed myself to

770
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,080
pay this guy. 
And even though my intuition was

771
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,520
telling me not to and, and and 
so on and so on, right, 

772
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:00,680
unknowingly, the, the shame 
inside of me and the way I was, 

773
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,640
I was trying to control the 
situation again. 

774
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,400
I was like, what can I do to get
this guy back? 

775
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,000
And what do I need to do to make
sure this doesn't happen again? 

776
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,720
Which is the right thing to do 
to get the, to get the guy back?

777
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:12,040
Probably not the right thing to 
do. 

778
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,960
I was so fucking tight in my 
body for a good couple of weeks.

779
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,360
I hadn't really seen it. 
I was extremely snappy with, 

780
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,680
with Leo, my son. 
I was snappy with the people 

781
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:29,040
around me. 
And then the the way that I was 

782
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,960
showing that shame without 
knowing, like I was trying to do

783
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,520
things to sabotage my business, 
to sabotage my my personal 

784
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,800
relationships without fucking 
knowing. 

785
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:45,320
Whereas if I'd got control, if I
got control, if I'd actually 

786
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,400
just cotton on to hey, Pete, I'm
trying to control the situation.

787
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,920
This has happened. 
Absolutely. 

788
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,960
Yeah. 
Do you know what be be angry 

789
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,880
about that, but just allow 
yourself a day to be angry about

790
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,840
that. 
And then just fucking let go of 

791
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,560
it, right? 
I wouldn't have spent weeks 

792
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,800
sabotaging and doing these like 
very sabotaging behaviours that 

793
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,240
aren't me because I was trying 
to control the situation, right?

794
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,120
And this is like, and this is 
what I love about this work. 

795
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,080
I'm fucking in the weeds. 
Like I'm well in the trenches. 

796
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,840
I'm not on on a high horse gun. 
I completed the matrix here. 

797
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,280
I'm well within this. 
But the more that you can be 

798
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,480
attuned with where you're trying
to control things in your life, 

799
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,320
the quicker you can get hold of 
it. 

800
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:30,320
And then fucking let go of it. 
And now I've let go of it. 

801
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,160
I'm just like, yeah, do you know
what piss me off? 

802
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:41,040
But I've moved on. 
Yeah, the reason I think we hold

803
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,600
on to stuff like that is it 
almost gives us meaning and it 

804
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,640
gives us something to do and it 
gives us a sense of importance. 

805
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:52,600
It's like I know a lot of people
that I've tried to help that 

806
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,480
have been quite I'll and there's
someone that really sticks out 

807
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,640
at the moment. 
I'm trying to help her recover 

808
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,320
from a very long standing 
condition, helping her for free 

809
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:08,040
because I can just see that I 
can help and and she won't let 

810
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:13,000
go of her identity of being an 
I'll person because it's giving 

811
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,160
her meaning. 
And there's such a lack of 

812
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,840
meaning in so many areas of 
their life. 

813
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,720
But so many people attach 
themselves to situations like 

814
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:26,000
this because it makes them feel 
significant, you know, bowling 

815
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,640
around, sharing your story down 
the pub with your mates, like, 

816
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,960
oh, this guy, that guy, this 
happened, this happened. 

817
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,800
Like it makes you feel 
important. 

818
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,520
It brings energy to you because 
you've got something to talk 

819
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,040
about and get the pitchfork out.
And but the problem is you then 

820
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,160
internalize that energy and that
energy becomes part of your 

821
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,800
being. 
And you start to stay angry, 

822
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,880
stay frustrated, stay tight. 
And like you said, which I think

823
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,440
is beautiful, you have to 
observe the effect of that on 

824
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,360
your life. 
When I've got stuck in my head 

825
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,400
and I'm controlling too much, 
I'm holding on to something. 

826
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:01,520
How do you think I am with my 
wife? 

827
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,920
How do you think I am with my 
two kids? 

828
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,960
What's their experience of me 
like? 

829
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:11,800
And every time I've gone through
like a layer of this journey, I 

830
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:16,640
can see myself getting closer to
my kids, for example, because 

831
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,760
they're such kids are such a 
great reflection of where you're

832
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,960
at. 
Their energy exactly bounces off

833
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,680
yours. 
Like if your kids are combative,

834
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:31,560
naughty, frustrated, emotional, 
like what's your energy? 

835
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,080
Why might they be feeling like 
that? 

836
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,480
Because really a kid is a blank 
canvas. 

837
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,680
They are just responding to 
their environment. 

838
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,880
Don't get me wrong, there's DNA 
based, you know, reactions that 

839
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,240
they will have to certain things
and they will kind of learn. 

840
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,760
But they are so sensitive to 
energy and like my my home, my 

841
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,200
household, my life is so much 
happier now. 

842
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,000
I've got out of my own way, 
opened myself up, opened my 

843
00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:01,320
heart up and not held onto 
things because it's a free 

844
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,640
flowing energy. 
Yeah, yeah. 

845
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,520
And it's likely that you're 
you're way more loving. 

846
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,080
Yeah, totally. 
You're giving way more love into

847
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,400
the family. 
Yeah. 

848
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,840
And the important thing in that 
is also love to yourself, like 

849
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,760
compassion and kindness. 
Like we're all on a journey. 

850
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,280
We're all figuring this stuff 
out. 

851
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,200
You and me haven't completed it.
We're just a bit further down 

852
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,440
the road than other people, and 
we can probably help bring 

853
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,840
awareness and tell people where 
to go and what to try. 

854
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,040
And like that's OK. 
And as long as we operate from a

855
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,200
place of compassion for 
ourselves and where we're at and

856
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:42,320
what we're trying to do, like 
you can move with grace and just

857
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,160
enjoy the journey and flow 
through it. 

858
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,280
Let's talk about some of the 
things to be aware of if you're 

859
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,520
thinking about dipping your toes
into the the more like energetic

860
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,680
breath work psychoelics and 
think things to be aware of 

861
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:03,760
before you get into it. 
I think psychedelics is 

862
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:08,000
potentially becoming dangerously
trendy in that a lot of people 

863
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,840
are potentially not ready for it
because it can be incredibly 

864
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,600
destabilized. 
And if you, you know, I've heard

865
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,200
of horror stories where people 
have gone in and have had a very

866
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,800
bad experience. 
And that's because of their 

867
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:23,320
readiness, the level of trauma 
that they've got to release, how

868
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,040
much stored energy is in their 
body. 

869
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,360
And it's just really, really 
discombobulated their whole life

870
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,880
as a result of it. 
And I see a lot of influencers, 

871
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:37,040
like I literally, I've been sort
of chatting to someone recently 

872
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,320
and trying to help them. 
And this individual has done 

873
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,680
several ayahuasca retreats, like
lots of different stuff. 

874
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:48,480
And I took a call with him and I
said, dude, your ego is fucking 

875
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,920
massive. 
Like you've papered over 

876
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,320
everything and you're wearing 
ayahuasca. 

877
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:56,960
All of this stuff is a badge of 
honour. 

878
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,200
Like I've done all this stuff 
and I was like you, you cannot 

879
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,880
see what you're doing. 
Like you have restricted 

880
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,760
everything. 
You're over controlling 

881
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,800
everything. 
You're getting in the way. 

882
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,120
You're obsessed with success. 
Like you'll do or die on this 

883
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,600
stuff. 
I mean, we just went back into 

884
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,600
kind of like all of the past 
trauma because a lot of this 

885
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,320
stuff comes from your childhood.
Let's be honest. 

886
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,600
And I was like, you have not 
dealt with that. 

887
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,320
Like the way that you're even 
talking about it now, you've not

888
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,360
dealt with that. 
You've not really come to accept

889
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,080
that and let go of it and all 
the rest of it. 

890
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:31,960
And I suppose my point here is, 
is that you're not going to 

891
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,000
you're not not going to benefit 
just going slowly with this kind

892
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,960
of stuff because you can just 
start to see. 

893
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,080
So someone messaged me the other
day because I posted about 

894
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,880
spirituality on my Instagram 
stories. 

895
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,880
And someone said, dude, I feel 
like I'm ready for this. 

896
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,280
I don't know where to start. 
And I said, look, probably start

897
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,080
with the book awareness that I 
think that's stuck at, just a 

898
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,640
good little introduction that 
starts to prod and probe. 

899
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:59,000
I'd then go to a breath work 
workshop. 

900
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,360
I'm a big fan of the Wim Hof 
half day fundamental courses 

901
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,320
that are run all over the UK. 
And I said that will start to 

902
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,000
get you to realise what your 
mind and body is capable of and 

903
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,200
what can happen in an altered 
state. 

904
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,080
Because if you get breath work 
right, you can really peel back 

905
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,440
and go on a massive incredible 
journey reading, you know, 

906
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,320
that's, that's great. 
It's brain LED. 

907
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,720
And then breath work is kind of 
heart LED. 

908
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:25,600
If you can kind of really get to
grips with it. 

909
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,120
And then get in some coaching, 
like energetic coaching, start 

910
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,840
to tune into like your energy 
bit of meditation. 

911
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,640
And then you can start to take 
bigger leaps, like bigger 

912
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:40,000
journeys where you might go to a
cacao and meditation guided 

913
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,400
session or you might consider 
psychedelics or whatever. 

914
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,800
But you've got to be at a 
certain level of openness and 

915
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,080
readiness, in my opinion, to do 
that safely. 

916
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,360
Because, yeah, a lot of people 
are just dancing around the 

917
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,040
Internet. 
When I went off to fucking the, 

918
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,160
the South African, South 
American jungle and did this. 

919
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,600
And you know, this happened. 
And I'm like, Jesus, I can see 

920
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,480
right into your soul there. 
And you're just wearing that. 

921
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,760
You, you haven't, you haven't 
been ready for that. 

922
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,920
So yeah, that would, I don't 
know, you might have a slightly 

923
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,640
different opinion. 
I'm trying to navigate this 

924
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,920
myself because I'm being asked 
about it even more at the 

925
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,680
moment. 
And I I almost want to share 

926
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,240
notes from other people to allow
other people to kind of walk 

927
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:23,560
this road in the right way. 
Yeah, I think where I've 

928
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,680
navigated this and I've done 
well is the the people that I've

929
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:34,440
done this with, both in breath 
work, facilitation and somatic 

930
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,000
work and therapeutic work. 
And with psychedelics is that 

931
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,960
everyone that I've had involved 
with doing that with me, I've 

932
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,760
trusted them and they've been 
some form of professional. 

933
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:50,280
But the shaman that I used in 
Ibiza, he's been doing it for 17

934
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,480
years. 
I met him before we did that. 

935
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,120
And I immediately deeply had 
trust in him. 

936
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,920
Like he's done this with 
thousands of people and I had a 

937
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,600
lot of trust in like he hasn't 
just started this a couple of 

938
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,560
weeks ago or, or you know, he's 
just done some Internet course 

939
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,920
and like he's, he's very, very 
experienced with it. 

940
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,080
And I trusted and I just there 
was a connection with me and 

941
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,160
him, which is very, very 
important because ultimately 

942
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,960
it's going to be extremely 
vulnerable and kind of giving 

943
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,480
myself, OK, you're going to look
after me now for the next like 

944
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,760
6/6. 
It was actually a 24 hour 

945
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,080
experience. 
So it's a whole day. 

946
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,000
So that absolutely look out for 
that. 

947
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,360
Find people that are trusting 
the the come recommended. 

948
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,200
If you want recommendations for 
me, come talk to me. 

949
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,840
Sure, Ben would be the same, 
right? 

950
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,600
That's number one. 
The second thing I'd I'd say is 

951
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,840
be super careful if you're 
already in this world or you're 

952
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,760
thinking about getting into this
world and you're using it as a 

953
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,320
crux. 
It's like, I still haven't got 

954
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,000
the answers. 
So I'm going to go and do the 

955
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,120
next trip. 
I still haven't got the answers.

956
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:55,760
I know there's more. 
So I'm going to go and do the 

957
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,800
next batch of psychedelics or 
ayahuasca or take the next trip 

958
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,800
to Costa Rica. 
And if you, if you, if you found

959
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,960
yourself done like 5101530 
trips. 

960
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:12,840
And this is where awareness 
really, really plays such a 

961
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:17,880
fucking important role in where 
you're at, right? 

962
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,120
Because you will absolutely take
steps back before you take 

963
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:25,880
steps, loads of steps forward. 
But if you're just going down 

964
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,880
deeper and deeper into trauma, 
that's not necessarily helping 

965
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,080
your growth. 
I think just take a break, 

966
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,160
right? 
And and and and look at this 

967
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,440
because I see so many using this
as cracks for the answers and 

968
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,640
it's not necessarily going to 
give you the answers. 

969
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,200
When we search for people, I 
agree. 

970
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,320
People have been absolutely 
instrumental on my journey. 

971
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,600
Like you want to be guided by 
amazing people. 

972
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,760
So my energy healer, like 
probably the most powerful, 

973
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:58,120
amazing human I've met in terms 
of a guide, and she's been doing

974
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,560
this like 30 years. 
Absolutely incredible. 

975
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,680
Very close friend has also been 
going on a very similar journey 

976
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,400
with me and we've kind of been 
helping each other. 

977
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,520
We've gone on holiday with each 
other as shared notes and we've 

978
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,680
done all sorts together because 
there's amazing people out there

979
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,640
with wisdom. 
I'm 38, it would be a good idea 

980
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,480
if I found this 50 year old dude
or lady that's been doing this 

981
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,200
for 30 years that can really 
kind of bring you on and guide 

982
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,640
you. 
And a mistake I think we can 

983
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,640
probably make in this process is
we're so used to finding this 

984
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,800
information or people online 
now. 

985
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,280
Or let me try and find a popular
voice in this space online and 

986
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,640
go through that. 
And you, you find this person on

987
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,440
Instagram, they've got 100 
followers. 

988
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,240
They've got this program that's 
doing this thing. 

989
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:47,920
Most of these amazing people do 
not have 100,000 followers on 

990
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,800
Instagram because they're so 
focused on doing the work with 

991
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:56,360
real people in person. 
And now I've opened myself up on

992
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:01,640
a local level where I live to 
amazing people and energies 

993
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,320
where I live. 
Like I've met so many incredible

994
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,760
humans. 
Like I went to a ceremony two 

995
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,320
nights ago. 
It's the second one I've done 

996
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,480
with this lady. 
She's got like 700 followers on 

997
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,400
Instagram posts a little bit. 
But the work that she does in 

998
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,040
the rooms that she facilitates 
is unbelievable. 

999
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,960
And I think all you've got to do
is just start to ask around, 

1000
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:28,760
like if you know a friend who's 
like a bit hippie, a bit 

1001
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,280
spiritual, bit open minded bit 
whatever, maybe pick up the 

1002
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,040
phone and be like, bro, I can 
see you're like into yoga. 

1003
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:36,520
You do a bit of meditation and 
stuff. 

1004
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,040
I want to kind of touch that, 
but I want to explore it. 

1005
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,760
Can you, is there a class? 
Is there a person that you can 

1006
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,640
recommend? 
And you start to go because what

1007
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,840
you can't do on this journey is 
work in isolation. 

1008
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,760
If you start to just in your 
bedroom at home, start to do a 

1009
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,560
bit of meditation, do a bit of 
it, you're not going to get very

1010
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,840
far. 
That's why I recommended going 

1011
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,840
to 1/2 day Wim Hof workshop. 
I want you to be in the room 

1012
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,120
with other amazing people. 
As to why your events are 

1013
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,520
transformative. 
That's why I love going to 

1014
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,320
events. 
I go to events all the time. 

1015
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,320
I get coaching because I want to
experience. 

1016
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,520
Like you said earlier, we are 
energetic, feeling based people 

1017
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,040
and you are going to leapfrog 
your journey. 

1018
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,520
If you can go and work with a 
coach 1 to one, go to a 

1019
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:25,160
workshop, go to event, go to a 
retreat, you will leapfrog your 

1020
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,320
journey because you feel it, you
get in it, you experience it. 

1021
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:35,040
Yeah, here's this is a big one. 
I'm about to say it. 

1022
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,360
And I got, I got to admit I 
fucking didn't understand this a

1023
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,560
couple of years ago. 
I didn't understand safety 

1024
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,960
within a circle. 
I didn't get it. 

1025
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,320
I was like, what the fuck safety
within a circle mean? 

1026
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:54,520
And then I saw I was in a broken
room, a broken circle, and I was

1027
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,520
like, oh, now I fucking get it. 
So this is what this is what I 

1028
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:04,560
mean by this is that if you go 
to an event or you you go to one

1029
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,280
of these workshops where they're
doing breath work, maybe it's 

1030
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,840
like deep somatic breath work so
that they're actually trying to 

1031
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:15,360
evoke trauma, right? 
Or it's a psychedelic arena and 

1032
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:20,360
the the facilitators haven't 
built safety within a circle and

1033
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,760
they haven't got the resources 
there that if someone does have 

1034
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,120
a traumatic breakdown that they 
can then deal with it. 

1035
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,640
That that that can be a bad 
place to be. 

1036
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,840
Now, I've been in plenty of 
circles that that we host and 

1037
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,680
that we build that are I know 
that are safe and we have the 

1038
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,160
right people there. 
I've also been in one way it 

1039
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:43,000
wasn't safe and I remember go I 
still, I still persisted in 

1040
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,720
going through what they were 
hosting. 

1041
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,920
And at the end of it, there was 
like four or five people who had

1042
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:53,240
big traumatic breakdowns and 
there was no one there to help 

1043
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,440
with help process what they were
going to. 

1044
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:00,640
And this this was like the, I'll
call this like capital T trauma.

1045
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,240
Some of the biggest traumas that
you can ever go through were 

1046
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:06,560
being evoked in within that 
arena. 

1047
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,400
It was shocking for many, many 
people that are in the room, 

1048
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,120
particularly some of the real 
like newbies, that I've never 

1049
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,840
experienced this before. 
I've experienced a lot of it. 

1050
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,680
So it didn't shock me. 
But I was like, fucking hell, 

1051
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,360
there's no one here to 
facilitate this. 

1052
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,640
There's no one here to like 
actually help this person 

1053
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,720
process now what they're going 
through. 

1054
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,160
And because there wasn't, there 
was a broken circle. 

1055
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:31,200
There was no safety within it. 
So it's mega, mega, mega 

1056
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,120
important. 
So if you ever go to one of 

1057
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:37,360
these events and workshops and 
you and they're about to go 

1058
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,640
through some form of like 
somatic chore based breath work 

1059
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,400
or psychedelics and you don't 
feel safe, you're like, do you 

1060
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,280
know what? 
I actually don't feel safe being

1061
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,080
here. 
And you you'll know that you'll 

1062
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,880
know it internally. 
My advice is actually just to 

1063
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,880
leave is is to go general. 
I'm not not quite ready for 

1064
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,680
this. 
Now I'm going to sit out for 

1065
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,520
this, right? 
That's that's you've got to find

1066
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:05,360
a place where good facilitation 
and you feel fucking good within

1067
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,920
the room. 
That's an incredible point and 

1068
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,640
it honours your intuition and 
where you at are at on your 

1069
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,760
journey because you know, you 
could say to someone, this is a 

1070
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,360
great workshop, great person. 
And they turn up and it's like, 

1071
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,960
Pete told me to be here. 
He told me it would be good. 

1072
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,600
And if you just get in the room 
and you're like, I'm not ready 

1073
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,400
for this, I need to give it a 
bit more time, that's OK. 

1074
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,560
Like, honour your truth, Pete, 
no one is going to judge you for

1075
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,640
you honouring your truth and 
where you're at. 

1076
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,120
But it could be incredibly 
powerful for your journey and 

1077
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,480
navigating it safely. 
Because as I said earlier, I've 

1078
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,120
been guilty of going on this 
journey like too hard. 

1079
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:45,320
And it made me incredibly tired,
highly volatile emotionally, 

1080
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,280
wasn't great to be around, just 
a lot of fatigue. 

1081
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,440
And now that I've kind of backed
off and really just tried to 

1082
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,280
really feel my way through it, 
it's been far more enjoyable and

1083
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,320
I feel more connected to my 
truth within all of this, Yeah. 

1084
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,120
The the other thing is, is that 
if you go into a room like that,

1085
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:07,040
that isn't particularly safe, 
The you, you, you won't get the 

1086
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,880
same effect. 
You won't get the outcome and 

1087
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,560
the the true experience. 
One of my clients said this to 

1088
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,440
me actually at my last event 
because we did breath work and I

1089
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:20,000
had a facilitator come in and do
that, But I'm, I would say I'm 

1090
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,840
OK facilitating it. 
I had a fucking world class 

1091
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,960
facilitate come in. 
She's phenomenal. 

1092
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,200
And he said to me afterwards, 
he's like never experienced that

1093
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:30,440
before. 
And he said, I went to a 

1094
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,120
breathwork like workshop before 
and there was like nearly 100 

1095
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,240
people there. 
And he said, he said the lady at

1096
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,200
the front who was facilitating 
it was like, guys, it's in safe 

1097
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,040
space. 
No one's here to judge you, you 

1098
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:46,560
know, really feel that you can 
go truly be very, very open 

1099
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,680
here, be very, very vulnerable. 
And he said, he goes in my head,

1100
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,240
I was thinking, I didn't know 
you 30 minutes ago. 

1101
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,560
I've just fucking turned up to 
this workshop that was put on 

1102
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,320
locally. 
How is how is this a safe space?

1103
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,720
There's like a nearly 100 people
here and I don't know, I don't 

1104
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,440
know them. 
I don't, I don't. 

1105
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,600
And I'm like, well, now you know
the difference between going to 

1106
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,120
that and then coming to this 
where you know me deeply. 

1107
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,400
We spent a lot of time with each
other before we even went into 

1108
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,000
the realm of doing breath work. 
So I, I could actually spend 

1109
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,880
probably 4 hours building a safe
space, like building that 

1110
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,080
connection with the guys before 
we even went into, let's now do 

1111
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,440
breath work. 
And it takes you, you have to, 

1112
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,840
you can't just go right, guys. 
Jump in an hour's breath work 

1113
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,040
and we're going to fucking 
release some trauma because it 

1114
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,200
won't. 
It won't feel right. 

1115
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,520
And that's where you have to be 
so tuned into the energy because

1116
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,960
you're only feel safe if you 
know that the people around you 

1117
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,680
are coming at everything they do
from a place of love and 

1118
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,960
compassion and respect. 
As soon as you've got a 

1119
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:51,000
facilitator that has any ounce 
of ego in the process, they will

1120
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,360
be blind to what you're seeing, 
you're experiencing. 

1121
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,000
They have to be so open. 
And that's why we have to tune 

1122
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,760
into our energy because you, you
have to be able to kind of see 

1123
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,360
that for your own safety. 
I think that's a really powerful

1124
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:03,800
point, man, I'm glad you brought
that up. 

1125
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,640
Yeah, yeah. 
And and any, any others, any, 

1126
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,920
any awarenesses that people got 
to be aware of when they're 

1127
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:14,760
going into the space? 
He always spend a little bit of 

1128
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,760
time before I go into any 
experience. 

1129
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,920
Like even if I drive up to the 
place or sit in the car, I'll 

1130
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,240
have 5 minutes to myself before 
I get out of the car. 

1131
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,160
And I just feel like I'm here as
an open book. 

1132
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:32,360
I walk into this experience with
no expectation, no ego here from

1133
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,360
a place of love for myself, love
for humanity. 

1134
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,520
I want to connect with other 
amazing people. 

1135
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,200
I want my energy to be open, 
aware, connected. 

1136
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,160
And again, you're setting an 
intention for how you want your 

1137
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,200
to turn up and I think that's 
really important. 

1138
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,560
Just the same as you would go 
into the gym going, I'm going to

1139
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:52,880
lift some heavy stuff and I want
to raise the stakes here. 

1140
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,640
It's it's a similar kind of 
process. 

1141
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:59,280
So I think that's kind of 
important also in the build up 

1142
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,640
to it. 
Make sure you surrender to what 

1143
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,840
you think is going to happen. 
Let's say what's today, Today's 

1144
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,280
Thursday, Let's say I was going 
to go to your event at the 

1145
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,880
weekend and I'm sitting here 
thinking, oh, I'm going to go to

1146
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,120
Pete's event and I'm going to 
kind of transform. 

1147
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,480
I'm going to feel alpha is going
to do this. 

1148
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,520
You're going to limit your 
ability to grow because you have

1149
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,520
expectations from the 
experience. 

1150
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,960
So truly surrender. 
Know that this is a path that 

1151
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:29,920
you want to go on, but know that
you need to surrender to your 

1152
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:33,280
energy to start to find where 
your energy needs to go. 

1153
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:37,080
If I start to go in pointing my 
energy in a direction, I will 

1154
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:40,600
only be able to attach that to 
things that are energetically 

1155
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,080
aligned. 
But if I go in completely open 

1156
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,080
and aware, I can really start to
tune into your energy, what 

1157
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,560
you're saying, what you, what 
experience you have and go, oh, 

1158
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:53,680
OK, now I can start to really 
navigate this in a free flowing,

1159
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:57,920
loving, truthful way. 
That's a fucking great point. 

1160
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,640
That's a that's that, that dude 
that's high level that because 

1161
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,400
to to to have that level of 
awareness. 

1162
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,640
Many, many, many guys don't have
that. 

1163
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:11,800
That's that's super. 
Hey, one of the guys is coming 

1164
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,600
to my event. 
It's the first time he's been to

1165
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,960
any of my event. 
He knows me, but he's never been

1166
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,000
to any of my things. 
He's here's RP. 

1167
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,840
I've been to a bunch of these 
workshops thing thingies before.

1168
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,400
I hope it meets my expectations.
Like it, like I hope it's going 

1169
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,000
to be good. 
I I'm thinking I can't wait to 

1170
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,560
see you in person because I'm 
going to because I'll call it up

1171
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,840
straight away. 
Like, well, I'm going to talk to

1172
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,000
everyone about what he said in 
the room because there's a bunch

1173
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,560
of guys and I'm and I'm very, 
very comfortable with calling 

1174
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:42,280
standards up and calling calling
people up rather than out and 

1175
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,720
explain exactly what you've just
said there because he is, is 

1176
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,360
just having this expectation or 
better be fucking good. 

1177
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:52,560
One of these workshop thingies, 
but there's an expectation there

1178
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,160
from him and he's and he's 
placing that with whatever he's 

1179
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,000
looking to achieve and and he 
won't. 

1180
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,640
Because of that, we will not 
then be open to everything else 

1181
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:01,720
that will come from that 
workshop. 

1182
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:06,840
Because expectations are 
controlling energy and we will 

1183
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:12,440
not fully go, we will not fully 
get the true benefit of any 

1184
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,360
experience or wisdom if we try 
and control it. 

1185
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,120
Because let's say you've got 
100% of wisdom to give on the 

1186
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:23,400
day and I have an expectation I 
will only potentially get 20% of

1187
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:27,120
your wisdom because it will fit 
where I'm currently at because 

1188
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,640
I'm not open enough to 
experience the other wisdom. 

1189
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,440
This is a little tip that you 
can transcend into other bits of

1190
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,440
self development like breath 
work for example. 

1191
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,200
I talk to a lot of people that 
really struggle with breath work

1192
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:42,440
and I said I, I usually ask how 
they're navigating breath work. 

1193
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:46,160
And most people are trying to do
breath work with their mind. 

1194
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,640
Like they'll lie down, they're 
counting the breath, they're 

1195
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,720
counting the whole, they're 
counting all of this stuff. 

1196
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,480
And I'm like, it won't fucking 
work. 

1197
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,880
You'll only get so far because 
you're not going into your 

1198
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,640
intuition. 
So what I do when I do my breath

1199
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,960
work is I have this 25 minute 
playlist. 

1200
01:03:59,960 --> 01:04:03,160
It has five rounds of the breath
work that I'm doing. 

1201
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:07,080
It's a Wim Hof playlist and 
every round is exactly the same.

1202
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,040
And for me, that's really 
powerful because it allows me to

1203
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:14,160
tune out and all I need to tune 
into is the pattern, the rough 

1204
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,960
pattern. 
So I get to surrender to the 

1205
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,680
experience because I know the 
rough pattern and I need to, I'm

1206
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,840
able to go inside. 
And when I share this with 

1207
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,600
people, their breath work just 
goes so much better because 

1208
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,800
they're able to surrender. 
And also going into that breath 

1209
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:35,360
work, if you can really tune 
into what you're discovering at 

1210
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,280
any point in time. 
So when I do my breath work, I 

1211
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:41,040
go in with an intention. 
So the the last breath work 

1212
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:47,200
session that I did, I've I've 
been experiencing friction in my

1213
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,320
life with friends. 
And because I think I got 

1214
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:54,000
bullied a lot as a kid, I've 
been showing up in a slightly 

1215
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:59,680
inauthentic way in friendships. 
And I've almost been like over 

1216
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,880
connecting to the other person 
because I'm afraid of not being 

1217
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,400
loved because I got bullied all 
throughout my childhood. 

1218
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:07,880
So I went into this breath work 
session. 

1219
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,720
So I know how powerful breath 
work is in in releasing and 

1220
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:14,160
delayering self. 
I went into the breath work with

1221
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:19,200
the intention of I am loved. 
That was it. 

1222
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,120
I'm loved. 
And during that session, the 

1223
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:26,160
intention started to evolve as I
tapped into my intuition and 

1224
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:27,680
these other things started to 
come up. 

1225
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,000
And I navigated this breath 
session. 

1226
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:35,400
And at the end of it, I felt so 
much lighter, so much better 

1227
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,480
because I tuned into something 
that was really causing me 

1228
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,040
friction. 
And what I knew is that if the 

1229
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:48,040
intention was simple and quite 
wide, my energy would navigate 

1230
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:51,360
it in the way that it needed to 
rather than going into the 

1231
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,480
intention. 
Sorry, the breathwork session 

1232
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,160
thinking could be loved. 
It was nothing to do with my 

1233
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:57,880
bullying when I was a kid, blah,
blah blah blah. 

1234
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,600
I'd create this kind of story if
you just make it really broad 

1235
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,160
about actually I am a person 
that can be loved because I'm a 

1236
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,560
beautiful human just like all of
us are. 

1237
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,600
My body was then able to kind of
really experience that. 

1238
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,600
And that's where I want people 
to get with breath work. 

1239
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,720
And I did a podcast a couple of 
weeks ago on it where I think 

1240
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,040
there's a couple of layers to 
breath work. 

1241
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,480
You know, a lot of people are 
using breath work to kind of de 

1242
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,800
stress and get some kind of 
control and all of that has 

1243
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,320
massive value. 
But there's a layer way, way 

1244
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:31,280
deeper where you're using it to 
physically transform self 

1245
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:35,000
through delayering all the 
stories and clutter and bits of 

1246
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,560
ego that aren't serving you. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1247
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:40,720
It's incredibly powerful tool. 
And it's free. 

1248
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:45,480
Fucking free Pete. 
Lie down in my bedroom YouTube 

1249
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,680
playlist free. 
Sometimes I take some cacao 

1250
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,600
because I find that really adds 
to the experience. 

1251
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,160
It's free. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1252
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,400
And you fucking do it wherever 
you want. 

1253
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:57,960
I did it. 
I was in this, I was went to the

1254
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,840
sauna yesterday. 
I, I didn't go, I didn't train 

1255
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,480
because I'm in fucking rib, not 
complaining about the rib, but 

1256
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,160
it didn't train. 
So I went to went to the sauna 

1257
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:10,480
and I just sat there and fucking
just went deep, deep with it. 

1258
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:14,200
And it's incredibly powerful. 
And you can do it wherever you 

1259
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,200
do it in a car, you do it sat on
a tube. 

1260
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,640
It's like you can or you can 
always slow down to that. 

1261
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:25,040
That's incredibly powerful. 
Question, what's the rib issue 

1262
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,240
trying to show you? 
Yes, I dude, so this is 

1263
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:33,120
interesting. 
So I took I took jiu jitsu up 

1264
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:37,440
nearly a year ago. 
I've been on on a journey there 

1265
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,800
to improve and recently they had
grading. 

1266
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:45,120
So they had actually, I actually
had grading to go go up a stripe

1267
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:48,640
or belt, whatever last week. 
And then so the, the week of 

1268
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,560
grading, I did my rib. 
My I did the rib issue and I 

1269
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,240
haven't done any injuries in jiu
jitsu in the last year. 

1270
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:59,160
I did it the week of grading. 
And at the end of this month, 

1271
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,440
I'm going to Turkey for a jiu 
jitsu camp. 

1272
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,800
So 7 days in Turkey to just to 
train jiu jitsu every day with a

1273
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,360
bunch of the guys. 
And I'm like, how fucking 

1274
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,760
interesting. 
Like just as I am like getting 

1275
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,200
better at this sport and grading
is coming up and I've committed 

1276
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,640
to go to a camp. 
I actually, I get an injury, 

1277
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:23,520
quite a serious one. 
And is, is this just very, very 

1278
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,439
coincidental? 
Is this, there's an upper limit 

1279
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:28,240
issue? 
Like I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm 

1280
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:31,439
approaching upper limits of 
where I've been in this journey 

1281
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,279
and I'm about to breakthrough 
that upper limit. 

1282
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,080
And here's my body going, ah, 
fucking slow down a minute, 

1283
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:37,760
mate. 
You know, or am I looking too 

1284
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,160
much into it? 
It's like, so it's, yeah, it's, 

1285
01:08:40,279 --> 01:08:43,040
it's, it's something I'm 
thinking about, actually. 

1286
01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:48,680
But as an interesting 
reflection, I would do the same 

1287
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:53,040
quite often, like thinking about
the meaning, but I think we can 

1288
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:57,000
also just surrender to the 
meaning and say there's 

1289
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,560
something here and right now I 
don't know what it is and I 

1290
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:04,560
could think about what it is. 
I know that if I wait, the 

1291
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:09,200
universe will show me. 
And this is where patients, like

1292
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,880
next level patients, I think is 
very powerful because we can get

1293
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,439
caught in this cycle of thinking
thing. 

1294
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:15,399
What does it mean? 
What does it mean? 

1295
01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:17,479
What does it mean? 
It's like I've learnt to be 

1296
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:21,640
like, there's a thing here. 
I bet if I just wait it all 

1297
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,520
click into place, give it seven 
days, two weeks, whatever, it 

1298
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,800
all click into place. 
And if you can surrender to 

1299
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,080
that, I think it's incredibly 
powerful in my experience. 

1300
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:35,160
But the problem is, is we attach
so much meaning to it. 

1301
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:37,840
We can't let go of it. 
And then we're overthinking, 

1302
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,520
overthinking, over controlling. 
Then we try and go back to the 

1303
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,120
gym or whatever it is too 
quickly and then we're getting 

1304
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,680
another injury and stuff. 
And I see this all the time with

1305
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,080
the physical body, especially 
with people that do a lot of 

1306
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:49,720
fitness. 
They're like, oh, I got this 

1307
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,359
injury again. 
A lot got this injury again. 

1308
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:53,080
And I'm like, when are you going
to fucking listen? 

1309
01:09:53,399 --> 01:09:56,080
Yeah, to your body. 
It's trying to tell you 

1310
01:09:56,080 --> 01:10:00,560
something. 
Have be humble, stand back, let 

1311
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:06,320
go and pay attention. 
Listen, because the universe and

1312
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,280
your body is trying to tell you 
something and you're not 

1313
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,440
listening. 
Yeah, I understand. 

1314
01:10:10,440 --> 01:10:13,360
And and honestly, me. 
Me a year ago. 

1315
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:15,720
I live in fucking I live in the 
gym today. 

1316
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,280
Nah, powerful, powerful. 
The pain keep going. 

1317
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,320
Nah, just just let let it 
recover. 

1318
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:24,640
Give us give us some time. 
Be patient. 

1319
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,440
I can you know the gym is always
going to be there for me. 

1320
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:29,000
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1321
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,240
Ben. 
Good to have you on my man. 

1322
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,280
Mate, I've really enjoyed this, 
thank you very much, been an 

1323
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,360
honour. 
Yeah, great, great chat on on on

1324
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:42,000
energetics and and control and 
team. 

1325
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:44,160
I'll see you on the next 
episode. 

1326
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,800
Ciao. 
Guys, before you go, firstly 

1327
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,680
I'll link Ben's details below in
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1328
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:56,360
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1329
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