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Ever wondered if real, lasting 
change is possible? 

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Well, friends, you're not alone 
with that. 

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It's a question Ben and I get a 
lot with the coaching that we do

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with guys, and we're going to 
talk about it today. 

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Can I change? 
Can you change me? 

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Fuck knows mate. 
Yeah, you know, I actually know.

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Do you know what? 
I think both of us are very good

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at this. 
Like, so I probably what I could

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say even in the time that I've 
known you. 

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So like, so just like an example
of this, I remember both of us 

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sat on a train saying how much 
we did add this taste for social

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media and how we didn't want to 
be that those people doing 

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stories and showing up all the 
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And we were like, can't we just 
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people for coffee? 
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of us in that moment, our, our 
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weren't these guys that showed 
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the influence and then we'll 
call it influence him for just 

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kind of like a real high level 
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And I remember you just made 
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You like, I'm just going to 
embrace this. 

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I'm just going to do it. 
And it wasn't like it wasn't 

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this like I'm going to do it. 
I'm going to do it. 

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And then you didn't do it. 
It was like, I'm just going to 

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do it. 
And then all of a sudden there's

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this massive change where you 
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Facebook or Instagram being 
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Leo. 
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these 6/10/15 Reels a day, not 
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And that was just a big shift in
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You changed yourself in a very, 
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And I think that is probably one
of your master skills is seeing,

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seeing something that you really
like in some like a mentor. 

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I know you know, you, you invest
heavily in mentorship and 

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coaching. 
You see something in them and 

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you're very, very good at 
bringing it into your own 

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operating procedures and 
changing narratives. 

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Perhaps like, Oh, I'm not the 
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So that's what I I my thoughts 
on like this initially are. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
And I and I remember that 

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moment. 
I remember having so much 

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reluctancy to putting myself 
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So now I'm the operations guy. 
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guy. 
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don't want to be in front of the
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And at the time, my my wife, now
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she was building her own 
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So she was loving the camera and
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Pete, take a photo. 
Hey Pete, take a video. 

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So it was like there was also 
that for me as well. 

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I don't want to get, I don't 
want to be that person. 

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Yeah, yeah, I, I and I'm the 
same. 

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I think I've been the same. 
I love, I love talking to the 

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camera. 
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Like doing a false pose for me 
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uncomfortable. 
And I even remembered, like, we 

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did a recent shoot where I just 
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promotions and I remember just 
posing and feeling really 

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uncomfortable and like, we're 
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podcast today. 
It's like that was real pain for

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me. 
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probably in front of an audience
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I'm like comfortable, you know, 
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time, but make me pose and put a
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this is really, really 
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Yeah, well so last weekend I 
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and had 40 plus guys come and it
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And one of the guys said to me 
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into me is like, do you don't 
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this sort of thing? 
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though, I feel the whirring in 
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as being nervous. 
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fucking energy that I'm that I'm
building right now and I'm going

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to cultivate and I'm going to 
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And like, I'm like, dude, you 
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you'll see it. 
You'll fucking feel it. 

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But there was absolutely a time 
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me. 
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I, I actually wanted to be a 
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So I wanted to stand essentially
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corporates and pitch designs to 
them, which was it was a high 

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paying job. 
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of status, like to be the pitch 
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winning projects for your 
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You get a lot of status on that.
I wanted to be that guy, but I'd

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fucking ship myself even 
thinking about standing in front

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of people and essentially 
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But for a good year, 18 months, 
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into those scenarios, even 
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myself, consistently put myself 
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I I remember like going to these
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playing in my ears around like a
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right, And I'd be highly 
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I'd be doing anything to like 
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tactics to to get me through the
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And so many times, so many, like
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I'd lost my words and was 
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like like in her endless over 
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And now, like you can, you know,
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people. 
I can I can host host a room so,

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so comfortable, but there was a 
huge period of being incredibly 

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discomfortable, uncomfortable. 
But the out on the on the other 

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end of that is change. 
Yeah, I am. 

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I think the great question for 
the podcast today is like, can I

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change myself? 
And I remember there's been like

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so many times in my 20s where I 
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I was so disorganized and, and 
had that question in my head and

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I'm like, am I, am I going to be
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Like, is this my life where I'm 
just have to face these kind of 

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frustrations with myself all the
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chaotic relationships, chaotic 
and knowing that it was all my 

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own doing, like knowing that I 
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And, and I remember thinking, 
and anyway, it was, it was a, it

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was a moment. 
I remember thinking I was 

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drinking coffee and I stood up a
client, you know, she was a high

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playing client. 
I, I rocked into the gym late by

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about two minutes and she said, 
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And and she did literally didn't
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late. 
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time for people like you in my 
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And I was like, what? 
And I, it stung like crazy, but 

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it will help me help me 
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Anyway, I closed the gym up for 
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I was really butt hurt. 
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shop and sulked and I remember 
thinking to myself, like, am I 

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just like doomed to this life of
being disorganized, not doing 

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the things that I said I would 
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of, you know, so. 
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change myself looking at where 
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Like not only just from my mum, 
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doing. 
I was like, am I just doomed to 

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live a life of these shadow 
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upbringing? 
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actually started working with a 
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that ice really started to see 
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So so yeah, I just want to share
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today, having been in that 
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question. 
I think it's a really, really 

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important question for you to 
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I think that's step one is 
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where you're doubting yourself. 
And and like, like Ben just said

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there like am I taking on the 
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Like, like where is this doubt 
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Like is the have I have I got 
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fear of failure or horrendous 
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Like I had the fear, like I had 
the fear that fucking came 

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fucking true as well. 
Like standing in front of people

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not knowing what to say in a 
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Like it came fucking true. 
I didn't die you, you know, I 

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just did it again and I got 
better at it, did it again, got 

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better at it. 
And those and those people, by 

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the way, those people that I 
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remember it. 
I fucking remember it so well. 

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My MD was there and and I 
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tried to ramp up the 
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knew I was fucking up and it, it
was like a fucking lead balloon.

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It was like a level of oh, no 
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it was the room was fucking 
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And I remember I was fucking so 
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But I just did it again. 
I did it again. 

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And those 10 people that were in
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Remember Me now, right? 
No, I can't remember their fate.

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I can't remember who they are. 
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name of the company. 
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That was years ago. 
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the I, I was like, whenever I'm 
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So say, for example, you've 
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you're listening in or watching,
and this is a big question for 

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you. 
Can I change myself? 

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I, I always think like, where 
can I go to explore this? 

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And I, I loved Steve Chandler's 
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Chandler. 
So let me just kind of give you 

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a background on Steve. 
Steve is one of the best coaches

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in the world and one of the most
highly acclaimed coaches work 

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with some of the biggest names 
in business and with Brian 

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Johnson from heroic and he's 
like such a plow in the coaching

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industry. 
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and it's not even the book 
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It's the freaking title that 
says everything. 

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It's the story of you and how to
write a better 1. 

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And in the in the book, he talks
about these ideas of we live 

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inside stories and we just have 
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We, we've at some point we've 
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we've made permanent. 
We have this idea of something 

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called and this might be 
something you want to write 

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down. 
And it's a it's a word. 

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Is it 2 words that have really 
helped me understand and and 

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answer this question is idea of 
personal permanence. 

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So personal permanence is this 
belief that we are somehow fixed

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in time and space and we'll 
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So when we recall a friend from 
university or college or school,

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when we think about a, Hey, I 
knew Pete back in, Oh yeah, he 

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was that this this guy and he 
had these traits. 

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The way that your mind works is 
you don't imagine Pete as he is 

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now. 
You imagine Pete as he is or was

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1520 years ago, because you have
this idea that Pete is fixed 

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Pete. 
Pete was this, there's this 

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identity that's fixed and is the
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And anyway, this like, I was 
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idea we have this idea that we 
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And I was like, and it was 
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There was a guy in my school 
year who was an absolute 

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failure. 
Like the guy was just like a 

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layabout, never did anything in 
his life. 

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He was I, you know, I used to 
think he was thick. 

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You know, I was like, this guy 
is like intelligence is somewhat

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poor. 
Anyway, I was walking through 

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Clandido Town, which is real 
small town vibe, and I bumped 

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into him and I was like, hey, 
man. 

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And he's like, in turn around. 
He'd had his teeth done. 

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His face looked good. 
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The sun tan, his clothes looked 
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And my brain was going wild. 
I was like, this guy is 

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different. 
He's like taking it. 

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And I was like, dude, I was 
like, I mean, I can't just say 

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you look incredible. 
And he goes, oh, man, back in 

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school, you knew me when I was 
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Like, you know, I've got my own 
company. 

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I've got the doing this. 
And I was like, oh, wow. 

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And like in that moment is one 
of those moments where I was 

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like, change is possible. 
He was not the, he was 

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categorically not the same guy 
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He wasn't, he was a successful 
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Vibrance and that. 
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when we believe change is 
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believe it to be possible for 
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even a therapist, you've got to 
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because you because you've got 
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change. 
So that, that was my experience 

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of it. 
And, and the the words that I 

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think that we hang on to it is 
the idea of personal permanence.

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I am the same person no matter 
what. 

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Yeah. 
And I like that. 

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I've not, I've never heard of 
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And I'm going to relate that to 
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And what you talked about there 
like you are the story that you 

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tell, but you're also, you're 
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It's like that, that story that 
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habits. 
And then you, you are 

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essentially your habits. 
The way, the way you wake up in 

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the morning, the way you go 
straight to the toilet, the way 

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you think, the way you think 
when you wake up in the morning,

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when you go into the toilet, 
what you're thinking, whether 

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you're thinking gratitude and 
I'm and I'm so blessed to be in 

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this place or whether you're 
thinking, fucking hell. 

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Got that e-mail to say. 
And I've got that to do. 

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I can already hear the kids 
getting up, right And then 

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whatever you do after that and 
after that and then after that 

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and after that, highly, highly 
likely it was the same thing 

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that you did yesterday and the 
same thing that you did the week

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before and then the month before
that. 

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Highly, highly likely. 
Like it's not as though like you

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wake up this morning, Ben and 
we're like, do you know what? 

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Today, complete new fucking 
identity. 

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Just going to take that mask 
over there. 

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Take this one off, put this one 
on. 

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New done. 
New habits, new fucking 

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everything. 
Highly, highly unlikely. 

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Like we are our habits. 
We are the stories that we tell 

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ourselves. 
Yeah, there there is actually 

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something I've I've really had a
revelation around. 

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I've I've done a lot of work 
with Benjamin Hardy over the 

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last say, say 6 to 12 months. 
Like I told you to read his book

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Pete, you know, he's one of 
those books in it. 

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It's like. 
Gotten good book? 

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He's such a good book. 
He's like one of his many books,

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but and I and I one of the 
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when I get an author, I read all
of their work and I'll read it 

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multiple times and I'm still 
rereading and his books at the 

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moment and his concept around 
your your past creating your who

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you are in the moment. 
Most people think that they're 

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created by the past and it's not
actually not true. 

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And it, and it is actually, this
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this is actually really powerful
about especially with how can I 

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change myself is that most 
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the present and your present 
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That's them. 
That's their way that they 

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So we think that we are a 

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product of our past. 
So when we want to look at like 

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who we are and the moment we 
look at blaming our past, 

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however, he argues that your 
future creates your present and 

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your present creates your past. 
And let me let me explain this. 

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When you think that your past 
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believe that you're a product of
all the things that have 

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happened to you, all the 
thoughts and habits of the 

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behaviors, and that's who you're
living and breathing right now, 

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which is true to an extent. 
The results you're experiencing 

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now are a result of the things 
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However, who you want to become 
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result of your future. 
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this is when you have a brighter
future, what happens is you 

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start to change the way that you
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And when you behave better and 
you think better in the present,

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you also look at your past 
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So your actual past changes 
because of the way that you're 

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looking at it now. 
This is like, for example, when 

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you look at three wins every 
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what's, what are three things 
that have gone well today And 

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you stack them every single day,
day after day after day after 

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day after day after day. 
All of a sudden you start 

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looking at your past in a 
different way and that changes. 

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So actually the past just 
becomes a subjective 

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interpretation of what we're 
experiencing in the moment. 

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And and that's like what he 
talks about when in terms of 

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trauma, he talks about trauma 
is, is just an experience that 

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hasn't been made into a win. 
It's such an amazing concept. 

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So let's just kind of put this 
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talking about now is do I 
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Yes. 
And and not only can you change 

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in the present, you can actually
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your past. 
And I think this is so important

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for so many of you guys 
listening in is that you 

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probably thought divorce 
happened to you. 

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Your business broke down because
of you. 

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You you're the failure. 
All these things had negative 

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consequences and they hurt you. 
Until you reframe them and say 

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saw that all happening for you, 
it will continue to be painful. 

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It will continue to inhibit your
change. 

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So this is the stuff I'm getting
at the moment from his work and 

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it's really, really helping me 
see not only my own life, but 

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the lives of clients as well. 
Such a great insight. 

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That's a fucking such a powerful
insight. 

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It is, but it like here's an 
example. 

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When I went through divorce, the
the moments of like when I was 

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in that when it was so fresh was
so fucking painful. 

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Man, yeah. 
So it's just just so, so 

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painful. 
And I had people around me 

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saying, dude, some stage you're 
going to look back at this and 

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it's going to be one of the best
things that ever happened to you

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in the moment. 
You can't see that. 

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Mate, I, I get what you're 
saying, but it's hard to hear, 

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right? 
But now, now I can now like 

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because my mind is in a better 
place, I can look back at that 

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and go, wow, yeah, what a gift. 
What a gift to all the lessons 

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that I took from that 
relationship and actually over 

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the last like years since I've 
separated, I probably had more 

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growth in that year than I had 
in the previous 6. 

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Fucking hell what? 
What a gift. 

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So I can see how that concept 
works. 

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But I think you would like it. 
I mean, we've talked about this 

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before. 
Is that you one of the things 

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that you were Catherine Woodward
Thomas? 

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Yeah. 
So it's like you had that 

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conversation with her, which was
talking about not taking, like, 

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making personal change. 
So you don't you don't bring all

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the shit from your previous 
relationship into the next one. 

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It's like. 
And I think going back to the 

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question we're talking about is 
like, can people change? 

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Well, The thing is that some 
people actually don't. 

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They'll have a relationship. 
They, they will, it'll finish. 

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They won't do any personal work.
And then what they will do is 

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they will just repeat the 
pattern again. 

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Yes. 
And there was a, there was a, Oh

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my gosh, this is like, actually 
I had, I had a cycle of 

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three-year relationships. 
And so I literally, honestly, it

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was like my, my high school 
relationship was three years. 

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My university relationship was 
2-3 years. 

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And it was like 3 years relate 3
year relationships all the way 

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up to the point of when I met my
first wife. 

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And I think that didn't last 
long, obviously after the 

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divorce either. 
So, and then I remember speaking

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to a therapist, Tim, I was 
speaking to Simmons. 

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Like, I was like, yeah, yeah. 
And I noticed there's a pattern 

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that three years. 
But guess where that pattern 

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came from? 
My mum. 

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Your mum. 
Them had three-year 

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relationships and then there was
so many three-year 

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relationships. 
They're almost like exactly 3 

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years. 
And not blaming my mum, but I'm 

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just saying that that we become 
the patterns that we get from 

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our our parents. 
And I think change, like can we 

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change? 
Is that a decision that I'm not 

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going to perpetuate those 
patterns? 

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Yes, yeah, yeah. 
And it and it's a decision to 

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not only acknowledge that, but 
then go right, like I just like 

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I did with my previous 
relationship was like, OK, I'm 

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coming out relationship now. 
How can I just go into 

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uncovering like where I was at 
fault during that relationship 

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where I let things slip like how
I can improve going forward 

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rather than just going jumping 
straight into the next. 

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But it's the same with anything.
It's the same like say you have 

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a business back up a business 
breakdown, you're going to start

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a new business. 
It's actually being aware of 

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like why? 
The original business broke 

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down. 
Same with your finances. 

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Say your finances have been a 
pickle for a long time. 

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It's not right. 
Let me have a look at this. 

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Where am I fucking up? 
What's my habits? 

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What's my behaviours that I've 
consistently repeated over time?

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And just getting aware of all of
those things. 

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Yeah, there's something that I I
actually like, Yeah. 

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Like can I change? 
But how do I change? 

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And then, and then I think 
that's what is the nebulous, 

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confusing struggle that a lot of
people have is like, well, 

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actually, this is the way I've 
always been. 

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How do I change? 
And the first most obvious thing

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is time and attention. 
It's like time and attention. 

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It's giving something time in 
your calendar and intense bouts 

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of attention is, is the first 
tool to change anything. 

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And it seems overly simple. 
But if you think about this 

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right, you've got this character
trait that you're lazy. 

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Yeah. 
This is what you believe about 

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yourself. 
I'm lazy. 

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I'm a lazy person. 
I I don't like training or 

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pushing myself hard. 
And I want to change. 

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I want to change, but I've never
been the the person that goes to

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the gym. 
Well, the only way that you're 

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actually going to change that is
time in the gym and attention. 

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Like bring your attention to the
gym for a period of time. 

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And it's amazing what happens 
when you see people that they, 

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although, although they might 
have this story that I'm not 

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this person that goes to the 
gym, I'm not a saver, I'm not 

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someone who goes into long 
distance relationships. 

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If they can just suspend that 
story, like just park it, like 

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may it might be true, but we're 
going to carry on doing things 

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anyway and just give something 
time and attention. 

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It's amazing what you can do 
Like, and this is where I I'm 

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actually going to a bit of a, a 
challenge at the moment with, 

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with ADHD. 
There's so many people 

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pathologizing themselves with 
ADHD, and then they're like, I'm

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just, you know, I can't change 
unless I saw a person who can't 

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focus. 
I can't bring my attention on 

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something. 
I'm like, I am definitely in the

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category of people with terrible
attention spans. 

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Yeah, I can spend long stretches
of time focused on something. 

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And here's why. 
I never bought into the story 

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that I had ADHD or ADD, never 
even got diagnosed, never got 

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statemented. 
And then I just spent time doing

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the things that actually 
improves my attention span, 

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reading books, listening to 
audio books, going on long 

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walks, focusing on one thing, 
meditation and that. 

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And, and I think there's so many
people do that now is that they,

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they, they pathologize 
themselves with something. 

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And then they say, well, this is
the reason I can't change. 

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I can't possibly change because 
I've got ADHD so I can't focus 

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on this. 
Yeah, it's a label. 

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Yeah, it's like, and sometimes 
it is a simply a, it's like it's

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reframing the label. 
Maya saw my mum a couple of 

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weeks ago. 
I could see she's fucking so 

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stressed. 
I could just see it in the way 

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she looks, the way she's acting.
She's so stressed. 

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And I had a really long, deep 
conversation with her and I was 

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like, she's just putting 
everyone else before her, 

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everyone. 
And I was like, you have to you 

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have to stop putting yourself 
first. 

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Just do, do something for 
yourself, whether that's some 

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Pilates or yoga every week, just
something for you to take 

449
00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:42,280
yourself out of everyone else's 
equation. 

450
00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:46,320
And anyway, right, she agreed, 
she agreed to do. 

451
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,840
And I messaged her yesterday. 
I said, hey, how's the plotties 

452
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,160
going? 
She goes, oh, well, I'm supposed

453
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:57,160
to have my first session on 
Saturday, but Saturday is our 

454
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,440
her her husband, my stepdad. 
It's his 70th birthday. 

455
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,000
In the evening, they're having a
party. 

456
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,000
She goes, but I just, it's way 
too stressful for me to do the 

457
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,280
Pilates on the Saturday, so I'm 
going to have to wait until 

458
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,120
another Saturday. 
And I said, mum, you just 

459
00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:17,680
labeled that stressful. 
Like why not just reframe that 

460
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,680
label from the hey, this is 
really stressful to this is my 

461
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,000
time to ground myself and relax 
before I've got a big day ahead 

462
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,800
of me with the party. 
Right. 

463
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,880
And it and it is it's like just 
catch yourself where you've 

464
00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:34,080
you've like Ben just said there.
I'm like labeling myself with a 

465
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,120
condition or I'm labeling a 
scenario with arse is stressful.

466
00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:41,160
Arse is overwhelming. 
I've got so much going on right 

467
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,000
now. 
Try reframe because it goes back

468
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,240
to the story you tell. 
I think the the the kind of the 

469
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,400
sentence was like I am someone 
who. 

470
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,920
Yes. 
I am someone who can't focus. 

471
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,840
I am someone who can't, I'm 
someone who can't eat just a 

472
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,040
salad. 
I'm someone who who can't. 

473
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,800
Like, you know, if you were to 
finish that sentence out loud, I

474
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,600
am someone who can't. 
And that's the like an identity 

475
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,640
you've created for yourself. 
And that's the great thing is 

476
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,160
that when you actually realize 
it's, it's very plastic, it's 

477
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,160
very changeable. 
It's very, it's, it's actually 

478
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,120
very, very, what's the word for 
pliable? 

479
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,840
It means you feel like it's 
actually really empowering as 

480
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,200
well. 
I think that I was someone who 

481
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,320
saw myself as really 
disorganized. 

482
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:34,880
IIA default state for me was not
to use my calendar, not to have 

483
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,520
appointments, and that's what I 
called freedom. 

484
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,960
I thought freedom was not having
no appointments and it was 

485
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,280
chaos. 
It was really chaos. 

486
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,200
And then I worked enormously on 
that. 

487
00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:50,320
And the only thing is in the 
last two or three years where 

488
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,840
I've thought a second, yeah, I'm
actually quite organised. 

489
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,320
I'm not, I would never say I'm 
on the upper echelons of, of, of

490
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,880
diligence with my calendar, you 
know. 

491
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,720
So obviously this goal was going
to be somewhat better. 

492
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,560
But I remember thinking I was 
like, hang on a second. 

493
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,560
No, this is actually, I'm really
good compared to where I was. 

494
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,120
And that was something that was 
a big shift to me was like, oh, 

495
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:14,400
I can call myself organised now.
Yeah, another, another reason 

496
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:19,400
why change can be hard is that 
it's highly likely, and you 

497
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,320
know, I do this, Ben does this, 
we'll have things in our 

498
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,440
subconscious. 
They're just not fucking aware 

499
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,080
of that we're doing. 
So example of this last week, 

500
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,560
one of the guys in the Awakened 
Man, we're having a bit of a 

501
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,040
competition right now on sending
out offers, proposals, see who 

502
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,080
can make the most money. 
Essentially, it's just a game, 

503
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,280
right? 
It's a really fun game. 

504
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,880
One of the guys who is 
incredibly intellectual, has a 

505
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,080
super, has a super great 
business, should probably be 

506
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,000
doing the best out of everyone 
has, I think made like one 

507
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,400
offer, right? 
One of the other and one of the 

508
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,800
other guys who's new to the game
has made like 67 offers, right? 

509
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:02,400
But me and then and this week I 
ironically sold to everyone and 

510
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,920
literally with a WhatsApp and a 
Stripe link, that was it. 

511
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,800
And this guy messaged me. 
His name's Al. 

512
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,800
I hope you're listening. 
And he was like, your funnel was

513
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,440
literally a WhatsApp and a 
Stripe link. 

514
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,520
And I'm like, yeah, I don't 
fucking complicate things. 

515
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,040
And then what came out was that 
because Al is highly 

516
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,560
intellectual and he's an 
accountant, and so for most of 

517
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,360
his life, he's actually had to 
make things quite complicated 

518
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:28,120
because accounting can be very 
complicated. 

519
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,480
And the way that he was taught 
when he was going for his 

520
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,280
college and university and 
graduate degrees and so on to 

521
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,920
become a chartered accountant, 
there's a lot of complexities 

522
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,800
that he has to go through. 
And so subconsciously it's like 

523
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,680
everything, he has to make 
everything mega complicated. 

524
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,560
Every proposal has to be 
extremely detailed and has to 

525
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,240
really put a lot of thought into
it, overcomplicating everything.

526
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:59,880
Was not able to see it, didn't 
even realise he was making 

527
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:01,440
things complicated. 
And because of that 

528
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,800
complication, actually stopping 
him from going out and making 

529
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:08,080
those offers, right? 
Whereas we saw that like, hey 

530
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,160
dude, you're just complicating 
the shit out of everything. 

531
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,520
Make this super simple. 
Just give people offers. 

532
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,800
But without seeing that, you 
see, it was just well within his

533
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:18,800
subconscious. 
He just could. 

534
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,200
He just wouldn't have seen that.
Yeah, I think the like I did the

535
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,280
training a while ago on the many
masks of fear. 

536
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,360
Like why wouldn't, why don't we 
change his fear like fear of 

537
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,280
like he's obviously got a fear 
there that even less. 

538
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,600
It's complicated. 
All the IS are crossed and the 

539
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,800
T's dotted. 
He crossed the TS dot, the IS. 

540
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,720
But if if he hadn't done that, 
there's something's going to 

541
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,080
happen. 
Something bad's going to happen.

542
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,080
And I think the the complicated 
mask that we wear when it comes 

543
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,800
to fear is that I'm going to 
make this so complicated. 

544
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,840
It justifies my ability to not 
take action and not change. 

545
00:28:54,640 --> 00:29:02,800
And yeah, yeah, it's you feel 
that you feel justified in, in 

546
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,200
not me moving forward because 
things are so complicated. 

547
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,960
Yeah, what? 
So if we were to map out some 

548
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,560
some paths to change? 
Yeah. 

549
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,200
What do you think there would be
steps? 

550
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,240
I think first of all isolate is 
going to be the first one. 

551
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,080
Is isolate what specifically you
want to change? 

552
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,720
Because I think trying to change
too many things at the same time

553
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,320
is difficult. 
So say for example, you're 

554
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:33,320
disorganized, you're late, 
you're you don't keep your 

555
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,720
promises. 
You know, it all falls under the

556
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,560
banner of integrity. 
But it's like if you were to 

557
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,880
isolate one thing in your life 
and say, right, I'm going to 

558
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,640
change this thing, I think that 
that's the first place to start.

559
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,040
Like whether it's self sabotage,
whether it's lateness, whether 

560
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,920
it's paying people on time, 
whether it's money management. 

561
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,840
My belief is that putting lots 
of time and attention into one 

562
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,520
thing and and almost working on 
that thing so you see it making 

563
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,520
significant progress is a good 
place to start. 

564
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,160
I believe that especially in 
self development, too many 

565
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,200
people try to change too many 
things at the same time and they

566
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,120
haven't got enough time and 
attention to place on these 

567
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,680
different things. 
So I believe the 1st place to 

568
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,840
start is isolate. 
One thing you want to go to 

569
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,760
freaking war on, you're going to
go absolutely all out. 

570
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,640
You're going to, you're going to
laser it like, you know, laser 

571
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,920
it out because when you start to
try and change too many things, 

572
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,040
you just haven't got that 
ability to spread that across so

573
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,960
many. 
Yes, I wholeheartedly agree. 

574
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,440
It's essentially you are 
bringing awareness. 

575
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,240
It's you're cultivating your own
self-awareness here. 

576
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:52,560
It's like, all right, well, 
where in my life that's, that 

577
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,320
keeps fucking coming up that I'm
not where I want to be. 

578
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,800
Yeah, in relationships, in 
health and fitness, in business,

579
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,680
whatever that looks like. 
It's it's, it's getting real 

580
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:10,480
self aware on those areas and, 
and actually like journaling, 

581
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,680
like writing this down is mega, 
mega powerful. 

582
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,000
Like we can think and think and 
think in our heads when we start

583
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,880
getting things down on paper. 
It's like, why do I, why do I do

584
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,760
this? 
Where does this come from? 

585
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:30,600
Who have I learned this from? 
Like the what is this doing for 

586
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:35,440
me by me doing this behaviour? 
Like why do I like this? 

587
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,440
Because sometimes like if this 
is a good one, it's like, why do

588
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,640
I like this behaviour? 
It's why do I like eating lots 

589
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,520
of food? 
Why do I like not going to the 

590
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,000
gym, whatever that looks like. 
It's like, find the reasons that

591
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,280
it's like keeping you safe and 
keeping you comfortable. 

592
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,800
It's really fucking enlightening
to to know that and to figure 

593
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,480
that out. 
So self-awareness bring 

594
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,080
awareness to all. 
Yeah, I think the next piece is 

595
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,920
like, get very clear on what 
changes that part of you. 

596
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:10,080
So I think so many people try 
and solve the wrong things with 

597
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:15,320
the wrong activity. 
So for example, most people 

598
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,960
think that doing a body 
transformation will change their

599
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,920
self love. 
And this is something that I 

600
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,640
think is really important is 
that just getting thinner, it 

601
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,920
might facilitate some of the 
things that might make you love 

602
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,800
yourself more, but they are very
different things. 

603
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,160
They get very clear on what 
needs to be done. 

604
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:43,400
Like the the practice of 
learning to love yourself is 

605
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,240
mainly psychological, albeit can
be you're done with going to the

606
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,080
gym and starting to look in the 
mirror and saying nicer things 

607
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,200
to yourself. 
But be very clear on what it is 

608
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,760
that's going to make the changes
that you want, because sometimes

609
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,120
I think that we just end up 
doing the wrong thing and for 

610
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,320
such a long time. 
So you can have very targeted 

611
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,840
approach. 
For example, one of the things 

612
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:09,680
that I think awaken man is very,
very good at is allowing man to 

613
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,600
speak openly in front of other 
men and and get courageous, 

614
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,640
improve their integrity. 
And so if you're a man who 

615
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,440
hasn't, hasn't been making and 
keeping promises to people, get 

616
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,680
in a group of men and making 
commitments in front of them 

617
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,840
about what you're about to 
achieve is the that is actually 

618
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,920
the medicine, like that's the 
right thing. 

619
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,200
Whereas if you're trying to 
improve your integrity by, I 

620
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,040
don't know, just trying to be on
time more often, it's probably 

621
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,640
not a big enough shift. 
It's not a big enough 

622
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,240
commitment. 
Yes, yeah, we actually had that 

623
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,160
over the weekend and that was 
one of the guys things and and 

624
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,760
what are the, and this is 
actually what Ben said to you in

625
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,240
the previous point was to keep 
this simple. 

626
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:57,240
It's like one thing just just 
like what's the one thing that 

627
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,240
you can do that in doing so will
make everything else easier or 

628
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,640
simpler. 
And this was what like one of 

629
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,840
the guys, he was like, this is 
what I'm going to do for the 

630
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,640
next 90 days. 
And there was like 4 things in 

631
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:08,800
there. 
I'm like, dude, you're fucking 

632
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,679
over complicating this. 
Your thing is that you can't 

633
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:16,960
keep to fucking your schedule. 
You're late, you're just late to

634
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,040
things. 
And you and you put way too many

635
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,920
things. 
You're like, you allow people to

636
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,400
go into your schedule. 
Why don't we just stick to your 

637
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,880
schedule for the next 90 days 
and that's it, right? 

638
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,800
Report back to the group every 
day. 

639
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,159
Done it, done it, done it, Just 
stick to that. 

640
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,080
But and again, it's this is, 
this is habit forming. 

641
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,440
You're essentially when you, 
when you're doing these things 

642
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,040
is that you are installing a new
pattern, a new habit that you 

643
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,159
can repeat over and over. 
And like we said earlier, your 

644
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:48,960
habits and your stories, they 
produce the result of where you 

645
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,280
are now. 
Yeah, I think, I think the next 

646
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,719
one for me would be watch for 
upper limit behaviours. 

647
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,120
So I was actually on a client 
call before this and like he's 

648
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,640
like, dude, yeah, I've been 
doing really well. 

649
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,560
I'm sticking to my structure. 
I've been following my, my, I've

650
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,960
been following my calendar. 
And, and he was on holiday. 

651
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,600
He was actually in a different 
country and I was like, well, 

652
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,640
what have you got in your 
calendar for the next two weeks?

653
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,160
He's like, Oh no, I'm, I'm all 
over the place the next two 

654
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,200
weeks. 
So I can't put anything in my 

655
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,720
calendar. 
I'm like, oh shit. 

656
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,320
I was like, that's this is 
precisely when you most need to 

657
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,800
stick to your calendar. 
And I and I think what happens 

658
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,760
is we get a little bit of 
momentum with something and we 

659
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,760
cannibalise the results by 
thinking we're out of the woods.

660
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,240
And I think this is for a lot of
guys, this is what happens. 

661
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:35,160
So this is, for example, 
alcohol. 

662
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,960
You think that you've done like 
maybe a month off the booze, 

663
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,280
you're like, yeah, I feel great.
Do you know what? 

664
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,160
I'm just going to go out for 
one. 

665
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,120
I'm just kidding. 
I'm just going out for one. 

666
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,280
And that one turns into 55. 
You know, it's just like you're 

667
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,240
not out of the woods. 
You're like, dude, like get out 

668
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:53,320
of the woods. 
And, and this is something I 

669
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,160
think that why so many people 
relapse is that they think they 

670
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:03,440
get a bit cocky about the power 
that that previous self, that 

671
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,960
previous person, that previous 
habit had over them. 

672
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,720
So I think what you've got to do
is you've got to be very, very 

673
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:13,240
mindful if you're making change,
you've got to totally cut off 

674
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,600
oxygen to the previous self, 
like the previous version of 

675
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,080
yourself. 
Yeah, and and also acknowledge 

676
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,280
that change is hard. 
Like it is. 

677
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,720
We've all been there. 
Like, ah, fucking knock drink on

678
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:29,000
the head. 
Do you know what? 

679
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,480
I'll have one. 
That's the that bit there is the

680
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,800
hard that that in, in that 
moment where you have to be 

681
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,680
disciplined. 
Knocked it on the head for 33 

682
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,280
days. 
Well, it's all right to have 

683
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,640
one. 
It's in that moment where you 

684
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,200
need your discipline. 
That's where it's fucking hard. 

685
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,000
Like cigarettes. 
I've knocked on the head for 60 

686
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,160
days. 
So I just have 1 little cheeky 

687
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,640
one on them. 
Out without with the guys is the

688
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,440
hard not porn on the head. 
Yeah, this is this is a really 

689
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,040
difficult one for for a lot of 
guys. 

690
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,960
You know, I've been through, 
I've been through this, but I've

691
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,240
still going through this. 
It's like, oh, I've not not 

692
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:11,040
watched porn now for a year. 
It won't hurt. 

693
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:17,760
It won't hurt that in that 
moment that is your fucking 

694
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,360
test, my friend. 
That is the heart. 

695
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,440
So I went through a relapse with
it when with hotel rooms. 

696
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,280
Yeah, it's environments. 
I just. 

697
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,280
Made this little rule I was 
like, Oh yeah, well, one of my 

698
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,760
way and then a hotel room by 
myself. 

699
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,400
That's when it's allowed, and 
then it's. 

700
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,320
Not dude, that is not just your 
rule. 

701
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,360
Isn't it all right? 
I just mate. 

702
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,920
What? 
Nice when we guys laughed when I

703
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,680
said it, Yeah. 
Yeah, one of the guys on the 

704
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,720
weekend, and I know a bunch of 
them stayed in hotels and we're 

705
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:49,000
like seeing each other off at 
like 10:30 at night and he's, 

706
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,480
ah, fucking get back to the 
hotel, have a little just just 

707
00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:53,840
me and me in the right hand. 
Yeah. 

708
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,000
And then it was this, like, long
joke for about 10 minutes about 

709
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,600
how, like, his, his iPad screen 
is going to burst open because 

710
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,760
there's going to be so much of 
it going. 

711
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,080
Yeah. 
Yeah, it's, I think it's, I 

712
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,720
think I just say what a lot of 
guys do. 

713
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,320
Yeah, the, the, I think that 
that's. 

714
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,160
But coming back to the point, I 
think this is actually so 

715
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,520
important. 
We've got to remember the the 

716
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,960
grasp that our old behaviours 
have on us. 

717
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,880
And we're we're. 
So if you think that you can do 

718
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,720
the habit or the thing and get 
away with it not having a 

719
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:29,160
crippling effect on you for days
afterwards, you you lie into 

720
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,200
yourself, I think. 
Yeah. 

721
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:36,280
And and I think you know what 
the film that demonstrates this 

722
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,000
the best is Frank the Tank in 
Old School. 

723
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,440
And he's just like, at this 
moment. 

724
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,840
So yeah, if you haven't seen it,
I'm not even going to explain 

725
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,600
the film because you just you 
need to you've got really got to

726
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,040
look at yourself in the mirror 
and like, just think about your 

727
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,480
consumption. 
So there's a moment where Frank 

728
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,640
drinks from the beer bong and 
he's like, oh, as soon as it 

729
00:38:57,720 --> 00:38:59,360
touches your lips And it's like 
the. 

730
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,960
Boy is drinking, He's like no, 
no, I've stopped drinking, I'm 

731
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,280
not drinking. 
He's like no. 

732
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,640
And he was persuaded into it by 
the young lad. 

733
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,440
Yeah. 
And then, and then, and I think 

734
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,120
that's what you see in that is 
you see this this guy that's 

735
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,240
like kind of, you know, enjoying
a mild life. 

736
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:14,760
He's not connected with anyone 
anymore. 

737
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,080
As soon as he had some alcohol, 
whoosh, he's streaking around 

738
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,400
the neighbourhood. 
And I think that that kind of is

739
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,160
1 some, some guys actually have 
a real issue with that. 

740
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,920
They do actually revert straight
back into old habits very, very 

741
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,440
quickly. 
And that's why you need a group 

742
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,320
of guys around here. 
You need a group of guys to like

743
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,960
because to keep that standard 
same like you know you don't do 

744
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,080
this. 
But I don't. 

745
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,680
I'd also say this right? 
If you have a set back in your 

746
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,280
change, acknowledge it. 
Give yourself a bit of self 

747
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,920
compassion. 
Go fucking it. 

748
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,160
I've had this, I've had this 
habit for a long time. 

749
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,160
Right. 
I've I've thrown off the wagon. 

750
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,360
Fair enough. 
Then jump back on. 

751
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,880
Don't, don't. 
The last thing, the worst thing 

752
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,360
you can do is I'll fuck it. 
I've fucked it now. 

753
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,720
Yeah, go back to normal. 
Yeah, I think that this is 

754
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:05,160
something I, I talk quite a lot 
with regards to changes that 

755
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,280
what the the win is, is how fast
you get back on the horse, like 

756
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,320
the how fast you recalibrate and
then the distance you can go. 

757
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,800
So like say for example, you 
self sabotage on a frequent 

758
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,360
basis. 
So then you go six months, then 

759
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,240
you go a year, then you go 2 
years. 

760
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,560
Like that's all wins. 
It's not that you're, you are a 

761
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,440
flawed imperfect human, but I 
think you've seen talked a lot 

762
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,800
about this with regards to drugs
and alcohol. 

763
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,720
There is actually a 0 tolerance 
policy. 

764
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,960
It's like that that's something 
you just can't return to. 

765
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,720
It's like it's it's like, and 
it's the same with womanizing. 

766
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:43,200
It's the same with and it's like
these are that they've got to be

767
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,520
hard nosed. 
Like this is like, say one of 

768
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,400
the things that you want to 
change about yourself is that 

769
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,960
you're unfaithful to your 
partner. 

770
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,960
You can't go from it's like you 
can't go. 

771
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,040
You can't just double in that 
you can't have a part. 

772
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,720
You know, I'm you know, I'm a 
recovering what's called 

773
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,360
womanizing cheat. 
What's the word for it? 

774
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,400
Is it the word for it? 
Nothario, whatever you want to 

775
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,360
call it and you can't go from 
like that's just got to be a 

776
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,080
hard no. 
This is a change that's 

777
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,680
happening. 
I'm never going back. 

778
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,320
I'm just changing. 
I'm changing who I am and I 

779
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,760
think that that's I like that. 
There's a guy called Alexander 

780
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,080
Debottom talks about this in the
school of life and he talks 

781
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,320
about this idea of marriage and 
why marriage is a like a sacred 

782
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,840
practice is that we the reason 
that we sometimes stand in front

783
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,640
of a group of our nearest and 
dearest and say these vows to 

784
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:37,400
this other person is we are all 
flawed when it comes to matters 

785
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,720
of the flesh. 
We, we, there's such a drive for

786
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:43,360
especially men to cheat on their
partners and see, look at 

787
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,080
elsewhere. 
So what we did is a social 

788
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:52,200
practice where we make it even 
more shameful and hard to break 

789
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,800
a bond. 
So that's like one of the one of

790
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,480
the reasons that marriage is, 
you know, made as it is in in 

791
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,240
his philosophy. 
And I was like, oh, that's such 

792
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:04,720
an interesting thing is like I 
stand in front of a group of my 

793
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,360
my closest friends and family, 
and so does she and we say that 

794
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,320
we're going to be faithful to 
each other forever more. 

795
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,520
And what that does is it 
enhances the bond and makes it 

796
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,680
less likely with their work are 
going to go and cheat. 

797
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,800
And I was like, that's a really 
interesting argument for 

798
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,880
marriage And, and that's part of
the change. 

799
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,320
So I go and think like, what can
you do to make sure that you, 

800
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,160
you change and you change 
forever? 

801
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:35,880
Is you make the, you make the 
pain of going back so big that 

802
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,360
it's just not an option. 
And that's where I think that 

803
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,720
you can really do yourself a lot
of favours is like this is where

804
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:46,120
you invest heavily in coaching 
or an event or something that 

805
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,880
you put so much into. 
The thing that you've you try to

806
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,800
change into going back is just a
terrible investment of time, 

807
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,640
energy and money. 
Yes, yeah, you, you force it. 

808
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,920
So it's like I fucking, I can't 
go back. 

809
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,160
It's like there's no, it's like 
it's like with me now, like the 

810
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,720
lifestyle I live, like I have to
earn a certain amount of money. 

811
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,440
Yeah. 
Otherwise, like I'm not, there's

812
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,320
no fucking way I'm going back. 
And because and because of that,

813
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,520
it's like I'm forced to 
consistently improve and carry 

814
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,640
out consistent habits of change 
to rise up. 

815
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,920
I think that's actually called a
forcing function. 

816
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,720
I think it's actually the actual
term for it is a full have a 

817
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:39,440
forcing function. 
Yeah, but also part part of 

818
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,360
that, and this would go back to 
what you were talking about 

819
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,360
earlier with Benjamin Hardy, 
about having a brighter future. 

820
00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:47,120
Like, I have a really clear 
vision. 

821
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,280
I have a big vision, and I'm 
always fucking thinking about 

822
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,560
it. 
I read it like two hours ago. 

823
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,360
Like, I'm always looking at the 
vision. 

824
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,960
I'm always looking at that's my 
future, that's my future, that's

825
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,680
my future. 
Like how? 

826
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,240
How am I being that person now? 
Yeah, the there's actually, Tim 

827
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:05,520
Ferriss talked about it in them 
for our body and he calls it a 

828
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,560
Harajaku moment. 
It's like when the pain is 

829
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,520
staying the the same outstrips 
the pain of change. 

830
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,160
That's when you'll change. 
So he called it, he he calls it 

831
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,680
a Harajaku moment. 
So let me say that again, 

832
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,800
because it's it's also known as 
the fucking moment. 

833
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:24,440
It's where the pain of staying 
the same outstrips the pain of 

834
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,280
change. 
That's when you'll change. 

835
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,960
I've got this quote here which I
screenshotted earlier is on my 

836
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,960
buddies Instagram. 
It says getting things done 

837
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,840
doesn't motivate me. 
It's what I'd become if I didn't

838
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,080
get these things done that 
motivates me. 

839
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:46,120
Yeah. 
I can strong, right? 

840
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:52,480
It's it's like the consistently 
going into the bad habits, doing

841
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,440
the things that don't break your
barriers consistently over and 

842
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,840
over again. 
It's like Habits of that fucking

843
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,520
scares the shit out of you who 
you will not become if you don't

844
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,800
break them. 
Yeah, I am. 

845
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,320
I think that, well, there's a, 
you know, we, we, I think a lot 

846
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,960
of the Waker Man stuff, what I 
base my coaching round is what 1

847
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,080
can be. 
One must be. 

848
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,880
I, I think that, you know, the 
Maslow quote of knowing that 

849
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,800
they're like every man. 
Every man has his deep inner 

850
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,480
knowing of who he's capable of 
being. 

851
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:29,520
We all have that and that is the
biggest pain, like not achieving

852
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,680
what we're capable of achieving.
And that has always stuck with 

853
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,760
me. 
Like I just want to see how far 

854
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,760
I can go. 
I just because I enjoy the 

855
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,200
process. 
Yeah, yeah. 

856
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,480
OK, let's wrap this up. 
Anything you want to add to that

857
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,080
this Ben? 
No, I think, you know, I think 

858
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,520
endorsing coaching, you know, 
like for, if you want to look at

859
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,160
a modality to help you with 
change, get a coach. 

860
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,880
It's like it's, it's a cheat 
code. 

861
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,760
It's a shortcut. 
Get, you know, get in touch with

862
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,680
the awaken man, get in touch 
with us Like it's, it's such an 

863
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,760
easy, it's easy way to speed up 
the certainty that you'll 

864
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,280
achieve the goal. 
And I think that the faster you 

865
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,920
achieve something, the more 
certain it feels, the more 

866
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,520
likely you are to actually 
achieve it. 

867
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,600
So I think just be really 
mindful that this is what 

868
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,800
coaching is essentially is 
helping you answer that 

869
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,000
question. 
Can I change and then actually 

870
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,280
making it happen? 
Yeah, good round up. 

871
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:29,200
You can fucking change, but 
especially if you've got the 

872
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,320
right people around you. 
Fast tracks it, Team. 

873
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:33,960
Good to see ya, Ben. 
Good to see ya. 

874
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,880
Until next episode. 
We'll catch you then Team before

875
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,840
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If you're not following us 

876
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,520
already, can you give us a 
follow on Instagram? 

877
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,640
The handle is at heroic Man 
official. 

878
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,400
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Number one, the link in our bio 

879
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,160
has all the information on our 
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880
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:53,880
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881
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,120
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882
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:01,160
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883
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:07,760
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884
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,040
Western world. 
That's it for me. 

885
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,800
I'll see you on the next episode
after you've given us a follow. 

886
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,200
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