1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,560 Iran is the source of all the problem in the Middle East. 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:04,680 If it's gone, it's a huge opportunity. 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:10,240 Where does that leave the 2.2 million people of Gaza, the 3.5 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,120 million Palestinians in the West Bank? 5 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:16,720 You are failing to the same trap, the trap that the source 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,320 of the problem in the Middle East is the Israeli Palestinian 7 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:20,800 conflict. You think it's Iran? 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,640 I think it's Iran. The regime collapse will be the 9 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,280 best result of this campaign. But you could get chaos as a 10 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,000 result in Iran. You could get what we had in 11 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,160 Libya or what we had in, you know, Afghanistan. 12 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:36,120 Nothing will be worse than this regime. 13 00:00:40,160 --> 00:00:43,360 Welcome to this special edition of the Forecast from the hills 14 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,800 above Tel Aviv. There's an awful lot going on, 15 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,680 as you can imagine. We've got the continuing 16 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,280 ballistic duel between Iran and ISO. 17 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,920 We've got still the threat, or perhaps it's a promise of 18 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,040 President Trump getting involved on Israel's side. 19 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,560 And the key question in all this is what would the blowback be 20 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,160 from that involvement, but also what can the Americans actually 21 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,920 achieve in terms of neutralising Iran's nuclear programme? 22 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,560 Well, someone who knows the answers to both of those is 23 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,640 General Amos Yaddin, the only human being alive to be involved 24 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,360 in the neutralisation of two nuclear issues. 25 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:24,480 One was the 1981 attack on the Asarak nuclear reactor in Iraq, 26 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,320 where he was a fighter pilot and then as head of Israeli 27 00:01:27,320 --> 00:01:31,200 intelligence in 2007. General Yaddin, it's a pleasure 28 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,880 to have you on the on the forecast if the Americans get 29 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,960 involved. But if Trump decides to get 30 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:38,800 involved in this, what difference will that make? 31 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,600 And what do you think? The reaction could be from Iran 32 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,440 itself or from Hezbollah, for instance. 33 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,640 I think the importance of the American participation has to do 34 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:53,320 on the technical issue of destroying most of the Iranian 35 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:58,120 nuclear facilities. There is like 20 sites, Israel 36 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,440 can reach 19 of them. There is one important place 37 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:09,360 called Fodor which is very much fortified against the most 38 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:15,360 formidable bombs that Israel possess and it cannot be 39 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,600 penetrate by Israel and the only Air Force that can destroy it is 40 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,760 the American Air Force. So this is about the in generic 41 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,040 part of the House, but the political part is even more 42 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:32,120 important because if you destroy even 90% of the Iranian 43 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:38,520 capabilities, the 10%, if you don't do any agreement and you 44 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,200 let the Iranians develop what they want to develop, they will 45 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,560 have the nuclear bomb, not in six months, not in one year, but 46 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,120 in two or three years. So what is important is to reach 47 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,920 a different agreement on Iran nuclear ambitions. 48 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,640 A political agreement. Political agreement. 49 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,720 But can that be done if you push them into a corner? 50 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,480 No, On the contrary, when you push them enough to the corner, 51 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,360 there will be negotiation and Mr. Witkoff will come like 52 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,240 Popeye and they will come with a very weak cards. 53 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,680 So this is the political objective of this campaign and 54 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,120 the Americans, as I say, they can contribute to the in 55 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,640 generica part of the House, but more to the political goal. 56 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,640 And if the Americans get involved, do you think that will 57 00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:27,080 enhance the political strategy of bringing them to the 58 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,440 negotiating table in a weakened position, or could it have the 59 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,080 opposite effect? Let's speak about the American 60 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,680 intervention, because it must. It may be in two forms. 61 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:42,840 One form is the surgical for door operation, a company with a 62 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,680 message. We are not interested in 63 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,480 destroying Iran. We are not fighting against the 64 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,840 Iranian nation. We are only helping the Israelis 65 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:56,480 to complete the nuclear mission. Don't even think about 66 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,400 retaliation because then we will go to a full scale war. 67 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,400 The other option is to say the Iranians are going to retaliate. 68 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,320 They may not listen to the message. 69 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,640 Let's pre empt at least on every element of the Iranian 70 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:17,279 militaries that can attack our forces in Qatar, in Kuwait, in 71 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:22,520 UAE and make sure that the Iranian retaliation will be as 72 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,040 weak as it can be. From what you know about the 73 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,720 Iranians and what you can imagine their current position 74 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,800 to be like, what do you think they will decide to do? 75 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,920 I think the Iranians were surprised very much from the 76 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:41,120 attack six days ago. They were in a state of shock, 77 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:49,600 surprise, but they may getting out of the of the trauma and 78 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,360 craft strategies that will try to take advantage of their 79 00:04:55,280 --> 00:05:03,560 strengths, which is strategic, patient, long wars that will 80 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:08,760 make the price for the Israelis and for the American higher, 81 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:13,600 hoping that they will do something like the eight years 82 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:18,040 of the war against Iraq. However, don't mislead 83 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,440 ourselves, it is not the same Iran. 84 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:25,040 Most of the Iranians now hate the regime, don't want to go to 85 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:30,880 even 8 months of war and Iran itself. 86 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:36,760 In 1988, the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khomeini say I'm 87 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:41,760 drinking the glass of poison because the Iraqis are now 88 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:46,840 firing missiles to nozzle and Tehran where the elite is 89 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:49,320 living. So let's have a look. 90 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,640 Israel have done it not in the in the eight years at the 91 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,920 beginning of the war, in the first or second day. 92 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,240 So I think there will be a lot of pressure on Iran to to end 93 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,560 the war. But we need I think about a week 94 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,720 to see where the regime is going. 95 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,360 What is the decision making process now? 96 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:14,680 Is the supreme leader really understand what's going on? 97 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:20,520 You know, in the dictatorial regimes, the bad news are not 98 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:25,000 going up so quickly and he may see a different picture of the 99 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,320 world that is really there. Was it helpful for Prime 100 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,280 Minister Netanyahu to say, as he did the other day, that, you 101 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:36,040 know, regime change could be one of the results of this? 102 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,200 Why not go for regime change? And he wasn't exactly calling 103 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,320 for it. He wasn't saying that Israel was 104 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,120 pursuing it, but he said it would be a welcome result. 105 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,480 Was that a helpful thing for him to say? 106 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,240 I think it was very smart not to put the regime change in the 107 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,920 list of the objective of the campaign. 108 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,240 Which he didn't do. Which he didn't do not. 109 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:01,480 Publicly, anyway, yeah. And I think we are not good in 110 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,600 having instrument to induce a regime change. 111 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:10,440 The lessons from Iraq, from Afghanistan, from anywhere Libya 112 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:15,280 is is a is a bad lesson. So it is smart not to put it on 113 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,680 the list. We are also not good in 114 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:26,520 predicting when it will happen. 19901988 Nobody predict the 115 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,440 collapse of the Soviet Union, nobody predicted the collapse of 116 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,680 the Egyptian President Mubarak or Assad. 117 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:40,080 So we have to be very modest on that, or after saying that a 118 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,160 regime collapse will be the best result of this campaign. 119 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,720 But you could get chaos as a result in Iran. 120 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,480 You could get what we had in Libya or what we had in, you 121 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,840 know, Afghanistan. Nothing will be worse than this 122 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,480 regime. This regime is very cool. 123 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:04,400 He has the the goals of wiping Israel off the map is the source 124 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,680 of non non stability in the Middle East. 125 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,200 If there will be a chaos which I'm not sure. 126 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:17,560 Iran is a state with a tradition of a state. 127 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:25,560 It is 3000 years old empire that know what they want and if it 128 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:31,920 will come back to another regime it's maybe taking some time but 129 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:37,080 they will be busy in their own and they will not endanger Iraq, 130 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,120 Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Yemen and the the western world. 131 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,520 So nothing is worse than this regime point. 132 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,640 Again, if the Americans get involved, is it possible that 133 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:53,920 the political landscape in the Middle East will be so disrupted 134 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,160 that even those countries that are currently on Israel's side, 135 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,360 or on the fence or on America's side might be forced to 136 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,400 intervene against either Israel or America? 137 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:07,080 No way, no way. I just came from a defence 138 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,840 conference in Prague. So the Arabs are calling for 139 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:17,960 stability and we all understand what they want, stability as the 140 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:23,480 main political phenomena of their regimes, their kingdoms, 141 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:29,080 the export of oil. However, they will not shed the 142 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:35,240 tear if Iran will be destroyed. Iran is a man's sweat to the 143 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,080 Gulf States and to any Arab country, any Arab country. 144 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:44,560 So to your question, I'm I'm look at it exactly from the 145 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:48,840 other side that if the Iranian regime will be toppled, it's a 146 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:54,360 huge opportunity for President Trump and for the Arab countries 147 00:09:54,640 --> 00:10:00,120 to shape the Middle East in a new alliance, Arab American 148 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:07,480 Israel that will end the war in Iran and the war in Gaza, go 149 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:13,120 forward with normalisation, go forward with non religionist and 150 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,880 Iran is the source of all the problem in the Middle East. 151 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,040 If it's gone, it's a huge opportunity. 152 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:23,560 Where does that leave the 2.2 million people of Gaza, the 3.5 153 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:28,160 million Palestinians in the West Bank who are more angry, more 154 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,040 bitter, more upset than they've ever been? 155 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:36,360 I think you are failing to the same trap, the traps that the 156 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,760 source of the problem in the Middle East is the Israeli 157 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,440 Palestinian conflict. You think it's Iran? 158 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,840 I think it's Iran. I think we cannot solve the 159 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,840 Israeli Palestinian issue because Iran is encouraging the 160 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:53,760 terrorist group Hamas, Islamic Jihad to spoil any any going 161 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,360 forward. So we have to finish the war in 162 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:58,840 Gaza, absolutely. But how? 163 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,440 What? But what's on the horizon for 164 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,880 the Palestinians in Gaza or indeed in the West Bank, their 165 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,560 own state, living as second class citizens in a in an 166 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:08,760 Israeli state? What ideas do you have there? 167 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,360 This is a subject for another interview. 168 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,640 We're coming today to speak about the war, but. 169 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,440 Is that also a problem that needs to be solved? 170 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,760 Of course, of course. And that's what I said. 171 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:23,600 I said if Iran will be defeated, it's been be much easier to 172 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,760 solve the Israeli Palestinian issue because the terror 173 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,560 organizations that they supported with money, weapon, 174 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:35,040 ideology will be weaker. And those in the Palestinian 175 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,720 part of the the problems that there is no peace has to do with 176 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,280 Israelis and Palestinians, you know, You know what the 177 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,040 Palestinians are shouting in the in the street of London? 178 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,080 Yeah, Palestine, from the river to the sea. 179 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:50,800 We also know what the settlers think. 180 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,120 They say Israel from the river to the sea, I mean. 181 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:59,000 So, OK, so let's weaken those who are against peace and it can 182 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:03,360 be done only after we finish the war in Iran and we finish the 183 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,960 war in Gaza, we will remove Hamas with against peace against 184 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:12,360 Two state solution. Two state solution still has 185 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,800 some leverage, so it has a possibility. 186 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,920 Two state solution disappear on the seven of October, but it can 187 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,040 come back. It can come back after we defeat 188 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,280 Hamas. I think there will be 189 00:12:24,680 --> 00:12:29,200 Palestinians that will do the thinking of where it LED them, 190 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:34,720 the Hamas and the terror way. In my plan that I say you need 191 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:39,360 another interview, but it was published in November 2023 that 192 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,800 the Gaza Strip will be under an Arab mandate. 193 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:47,440 It will be managed by Palestinians, technocrat 194 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,560 Palestinians with some connections to the PA. 195 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:55,560 But it should change the the Gaza Strip into a non 196 00:12:55,560 --> 00:13:04,480 militarized region with an Arab education that is not inciting 197 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,920 for terror and from Palestine, from the river to the sea. 198 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,520 Then we will have a chance for peace. 199 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,680 It's unfortunately a generation from now. 200 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,360 Just getting back to Trump and Israel and Iran, do you think 201 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,400 Trump's somewhat erratic, unpredictable behaviour is 202 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,840 helpful to what Israel wants to achieve here or not? 203 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,760 No, I think Trump is in a dilemma. 204 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,880 On one hand he is against forever wars. 205 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:40,920 He has the MAGA people make America great against that, want 206 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,720 isolation, don't want America to be involved in the global 207 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:49,720 affairs. On the other hand, it's he speak 208 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:55,760 about peace through strength and he thinks that America should 209 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,160 deter Russia and China. This is make America great 210 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,040 again. So who will decide what is the 211 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,560 right interpretation? Who will make what is make 212 00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:07,280 America great again? It's Trump. 213 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:12,040 So I think at that moment, Trump loves winners. 214 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:18,800 You know America in history came to rescue countries that fail. 215 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,120 Like ours. Like yours in World War One, in 216 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:27,520 World War 2, like going to to Kuwait against Iraq. 217 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,160 This is the first time that America can join a war on 218 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:35,640 national security goal for America but with a winner and 219 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,720 helping them to finish the war. On that question, if they don't 220 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,160 get involved for whatever reason, whether it's the MAGA 221 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,240 camp or they're worried about blowback in the Middle East, can 222 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:49,200 Israel finish this war on its own terms without Trump's help? 223 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,840 When you say finish, you may ask about achieving all the goals. 224 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,400 This is not easy. It's not easy to destroy, as I 225 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,840 say for though, is. So fordo stays basically. 226 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,160 Fordo may stay, Never underestimate the Israeli 227 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:10,480 innovation on other means to destroy Fordo, not by the Air 228 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:15,000 Force, but it will be much difficult to complete the 229 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,640 missions. However, for me it's more 230 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:23,360 interesting what is the right time that you are in a climax 231 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,680 with your achievement and now you start going down. 232 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:34,040 You know, even successful wars always look like a big victory 233 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,880 in the beginning, and then it is, it may change. 234 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,880 So Israel must find the times that it achieved most of its 235 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,520 goal and look for a mechanism to end the war. 236 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,480 Of course there is the other side and we discussed the 237 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,800 strategies that the Iranians may choose, but I think we have now 238 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:58,960 a huge leverage against Iran. We achieve El superiority as a 239 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,600 fighter pilot who believe in El superiority. 240 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,600 What was achieved there is amazing. 241 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:09,080 El superiority, which Israel has, doesn't mean that they 242 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,400 still can't fire ballistic missiles in Tel Aviv. 243 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,760 No, this is another story. It's the story of the campaign 244 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,640 against ballistic missiles. By the way, Israel has the best 245 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,560 air defense in the world. Ballistic defense. 246 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:27,640 The Iron David Sling arrow. And intercepting all the drones, 247 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,880 about 99% of the drones, hundred of them that were launched 248 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,920 against Israel were destroyed. So this is also priority in 249 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,680 defence. But we have also priority over 250 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:44,800 the enemy strategic areas, which is I think will make it very 251 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:50,720 difficult for the Iranians to adapt a strategy of long war, 252 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,200 war of attrition. Just on their strategy, what do 253 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,080 you think it is at the moment? Because they're still firing 254 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:57,520 missiles every day and every night. 255 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,920 But a relatively small number, I gather. 256 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:01,760 Is that because they're worried about running out? 257 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,680 I think it has to do with with both their capabilities were 258 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:11,119 destroyed, were reduced dramatically. 259 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,880 Once again, as a veteran of 1991, I saw the Americans trying 260 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:22,400 to to hunt the launchers. And during the whole War 0 261 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:23,440 success. Really. 262 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:28,079 Yeah. And here about 50% out of 300 263 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:30,800 launchers were already. And without launchers, those 264 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,800 missiles are useless, right? Yeah, exactly. 265 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,560 So no doubt that their capabilities went down, but it 266 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,360 also has to do with their intentions. 267 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:44,360 If they thinking about a long war, they have to have economy 268 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,960 of launching. Yesterday it seems like they 269 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:54,040 decided that they are going to a very low number of missiles in 270 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,880 every attack to keep the Israelis running to the shelters 271 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,280 and to disturb to disrupt our life. 272 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,280 This morning it was more massive attack. 273 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,080 And of course there is the other side. 274 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,960 We have to make sure that we have enough interceptors and to 275 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:18,560 do the right decision which of the missiles will be intercepted 276 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,840 and which one you can absorb. Technical question on Fodor, the 277 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,840 the bombs, the American bombs, those NOP bombs, I think they 278 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,480 have 20 of them launched by the B2 bombers. 279 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,520 They can penetrate 60 meters into the ground. 280 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,440 I'm told that Fodor is 80 meters in the ground. 281 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,640 So how does that work? 1st 4 door is under a mountain 282 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:46,440 and the mountain at the top is if I remember right 110 but you 283 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,600 are not attacking them. Go to the side. 284 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,520 Yeah. You go to the side here, to the 285 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,280 side here when you know that you can penetrate. 286 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,760 And there is also a technique that you drop the first ball 287 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:02,840 which is doing 60 and then in the same hole you drop the 288 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:09,280 second ball, so another 60 done. Final question, much of the 289 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,880 world sees this as a a really big moment of peril, you know, 290 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,480 for your two countries, but also for the region ABS beyond. 291 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,160 Is that the way you see it, or do you see it as a moment of 292 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,880 opportunity? I think all the grave 293 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,840 predictions that if Israel attack Iran, there will be at 294 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,840 least regional war and maybe World War Three. 295 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:37,680 All these predictions were found two pessimistic and not 296 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,680 connected to reality. And you still believe that even 297 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,760 though we don't know whether the Americans have got involved or 298 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,400 not I. Always said that no World War 299 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:50,240 Three, no regional war, maybe more than Israel and Iran. 300 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:55,400 If the Iranians will decide to go after their threat to close 301 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,640 the Strait of Hormuz or to attack Americans pay attention 302 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,000 that they are very, very careful. 303 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,680 So I think it's a moment of opportunity if Iran. 304 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:10,200 Will change if the regime will fail and even if the same regime 305 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:15,920 will not have this formidable instruments of nuclear program 306 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:20,320 in the threshold and thousands of ballistic missiles and terror 307 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,040 organization all over the Middle East. 308 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,280 It's a wonderful opportunity to shape the Middle East towards 309 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,360 peace. Let me tell you the the last war 310 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:33,200 President Trump want very much to have Nobel Prize for peace. 311 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,240 I'm not sure the Norwegians will give it to him. 312 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:43,080 They would drive him crazy that Obama got it in the first term 313 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:44,840 in the first year one. 100 days, yeah. 314 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,080 Without doing any contribution to peace. 315 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,000 So he has a plan. His Nobel Prize for peace is a 316 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:57,480 table with four legs. Ceasefire or peace in Ukraine, 317 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:03,680 peace in Gaza, agreement with Iran on the nuclear issue and 318 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,040 normalization of Israel and Saudi. 319 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,920 Each one of them is a Nobel Prize for peace. 320 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,560 He want all of them. But pay attention, three of them 321 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,360 are in the Middle East and to shape differently the Middle 322 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:19,720 East. Iran should be removed and then 323 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,960 the the sky is the limit opportunity wise. 324 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,240 You're an optimist. Let me tell you something. 325 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,720 When I was Chief of Intelligence, I used to brief 326 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,520 President Shimon Peres. And you know when you are chief 327 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:40,600 of intelligence, you usually put forward the risk and President 328 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,800 Peres, say, Amos, why you are so pessimistic. 329 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,560 The pessimist and the optimist are dying the same but living 330 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,480 differently. General Gandin, thank you very 331 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:51,880 much indeed. That's it from the special 332 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,000 edition of the forecast in the hills above Tel Aviv. 333 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,320 I hope you enjoyed it. See you next time.