1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,760 This is about protecting children. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,600 We moved from California about 7 years ago to Franklin, TN. 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,040 I thought I would be sipping sweet tea on my porch, you know, 4 00:00:10,040 --> 00:00:13,480 just raising my homestead with animals, and immediately 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,320 realized that a lot of the things that we left in 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,200 California, we were starting to see that infiltrate the culture 7 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,600 here. What were some of the things 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,760 that you were seeing? The sexualization of children. 9 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,400 I was starting to see the radical sex Ed come into the 10 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:29,400 schools. At what grade? 11 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,920 Level 4th grade The more that we looked into the education system 12 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,320 from the top down, we started uncovering some really dark, 13 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:39,720 sinister, evil agendas a. Lot of people in the church, 14 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,160 they say that's political, protecting children from the 15 00:00:43,160 --> 00:00:46,440 sexualization. Do you say that as political? 16 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,120 People that say that, I think they use that as a semantic 17 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,120 shield so that they don't actually have to take action. 18 00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:54,640 What would you say? You've got a young mom, she's 19 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,240 got kids in the public school system. 20 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,440 What are some of the steps she can take to make a difference? 21 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:00,600 Right. Well. 22 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,400 Welcome to the podcast. I'm super excited about the 23 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,840 guest I get to have on the show today. 24 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:16,120 I have been trying to get with Landon Starbuck for a really 25 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,160 long time and you think, wait a minute, is that the coffee shop? 26 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,760 No, it is something actually more extraordinary. 27 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:28,160 Landon and her husband Robbie, They moved from California to 28 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,560 Franklin, TN and we met one another at a farmers market and 29 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:37,120 I had been watching their fearless, courageous work. 30 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:41,680 And anybody out there that you've ever wondered if your 31 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,040 voice can make a difference? I believe today you're going to 32 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:51,080 find out just how powerful commitment and courage and using 33 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,280 your voice can be. So, Landon, tell everybody a 34 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,560 little bit about you well. Thank you so much for the warm 35 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,640 welcome and words. You're such an inspiration to me 36 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,400 and to Robbie. Your family is just amazing, 37 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,840 amazing and beautiful, and it's just so cool that we're sitting 38 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,479 here getting to. Do I know? 39 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:14,160 I just, I'm so passionate about these issues and to tell people 40 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,040 a little bit about my story who might not know me or what I do. 41 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:18,600 Or I want you to tell them everything. 42 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,600 Okay so here's the shortened condensed version. 43 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,080 We moved from California about 7 years ago to Franklin, TN and it 44 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,360 was a total leap of faith. It was a God thing it we moved 45 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,120 here not knowing anyone and thinking we're crazy. 46 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,760 Just we're just moving across the country you. 47 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,440 Were ahead of everybody else. You know, that's, that's 48 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,240 amazing, 'cause when you're obedient to God, like there's 49 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,960 fruits of that, which is we got here before COVID, all the 50 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,160 craziness and we're thank you, you know, that we've listened. 51 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:49,200 So we moved here and, you know, I thought I would be sipping 52 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,600 sweet tea on my porch, you know, just raising my homestead with 53 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:55,080 animals and just getting to relax. 54 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,040 And there was a different plan for us. 55 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,240 And immediately we realized that a lot of the things that we left 56 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:06,400 in California, the, the, the values that, that steady decline 57 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,760 towards socialism and types of practices that even are 58 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,400 communistic and practice as well policy wise, we were starting to 59 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,440 see that infiltrate the culture here and the schools. 60 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,080 And when we saw that, we thought for certain, like, oh, we're 61 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:22,400 seeing this. We're going to bring the 62 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:25,840 attention of the schools and the community, the churches and 63 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,560 people who are going to respond because they're going to be as 64 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,360 horrified as we are, right? And we were shocked that the 65 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,200 response was almost like gaslighting. 66 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,480 It was almost like, that's not really happening or, oh, honey, 67 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,280 that doesn't happen here in Tennessee. 68 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,200 You know that kind. Of I love the accent. 69 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:42,920 I love. I'm originally from Texas, so 70 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,120 the accent, you know, I got the got the real accent down there 71 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,400 somewhere. But yeah, it, it was just, it 72 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,960 was so surreal that this was happening to our, our children 73 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,480 in schools here. And we started speaking up about 74 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,680 it and there was almost immediate polarization 75 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,800 happening. There was a, you know, some 76 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,120 parents that were like, we see this too. 77 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,080 You know, we're behind you, but we're not going to actually use 78 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,200 our voice and say anything because, you know, we have a job 79 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,040 or we have this or, you know, the litany of reasons why. 80 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,400 What were some of the things that you were seeing, you 81 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,520 mentioned in particular like this lean towards a socialist, 82 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,480 communist, and your husband came from Cuba, so his family came. 83 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,800 So they'll be like, wait a minute, we've seen this before. 84 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,760 But what were some of the things sure that you saw that were 85 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,560 specifically creeping in? Right. 86 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,840 Well, so culturally, I would say the sexualization of children. 87 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,160 I was starting to see the radical sex Ed come into the 88 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:35,640 schools. At what grade level? 89 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,400 4th grade, so 4th grade, yes. And also a lot of the political 90 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,440 stuff started happening. So I remember a time where we 91 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,960 were friends with other parents and where there is no political 92 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,120 divisiveness, There was no racial divisiveness. 93 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,120 We had friends of every color, every creed, and everyone got 94 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,560 along fine because we had the shared goal of raising children 95 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,480 together. And that was shattered the 96 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,920 moment my husband decided to support our our president, who 97 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,720 was running at the time. And it was really about, you 98 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,440 know, the immigration issue. And the very next day, my 99 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,200 daughter at school was targeted, called a racist, pulled aside. 100 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,400 We had. 1/4 grader. Yes, 1/4 grader. 101 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,680 There was speakers brought into the school that said there's no 102 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,200 such thing as a Republican woman, only abused women. 103 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,320 So that really. Wait, there's not even 104 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:23,800 Democratic women? Oh yeah, no, there's. 105 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:26,000 Only abused women. The speaker who came to speak to 106 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,960 the kids and that was, you know, the sentiment behind all of 107 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,000 this. And so we really started doing 108 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,080 our own research, like what is happening here? 109 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,320 What, how did we go from every everybody getting along and 110 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,240 barbecuing to this divisiveness? And the more that we looked into 111 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,760 the education system from the top down, from the American 112 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,440 Library Association to the head of the education institutions, 113 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,720 all all the way down to state level policy, we started 114 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,120 uncovering some really dark, sinister, evil agendas. 115 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:54,520 I don't know how else to describe it with the 116 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,840 sexualization of kids, with the gender ideology, which is just 117 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:00,440 starting to percolate. So what California have been 118 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:05,000 201720180? Gosh, I'm so bad with pre COVID. 119 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,840 Oh yes, pre COVID for sure, pre COVID, right? 120 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,720 And so that's when we started being aware of this. 121 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,360 And so when we started fighting back, we were met with so much 122 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,600 resistance. We took a look around, we read 123 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,520 the room and realized nobody really wanted to fight this. 124 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,880 This was the culture here. It was very saturated. 125 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,040 And I have friends who stayed and I think that everybody has a 126 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,520 different calling and I think it's wonderful that they stayed 127 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,360 and fought the fight there. But we were just feeling called 128 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:34,000 to leave and to raised our children around values that that 129 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,680 we value. And so coming to Franklin, TN 130 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,080 was a huge leap of faith for us as a family, but it was also 131 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:42,960 really beautiful thing spiritually for us because we 132 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:48,280 were able to expose our children to the the family faith culture 133 00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:49,760 that it makes this town so great. 134 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,840 So you were shocked to find that kind of sexualization and gender 135 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:58,080 ideology already present in Tennessee, right? 136 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:05,240 You know, I remember way back in 2015, I started to talk and I 137 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:10,440 would share from the stage that in Boulder, Co, they were 138 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,800 sexualizing junior high students and they were showing junior 139 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:15,880 high kids. They would separate the boys 140 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,600 from the girls. Then they would show the boys 141 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,040 videos of boys kissing boys, and they would show the girls videos 142 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,720 of girls kissing girls. And they would say, if you have 143 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,760 a sexual response to that, that means you're gay. 144 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,960 And they were pushing this agenda way back then, and nobody 145 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,920 believed me. They're like, that's not 146 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:34,920 happening. Oh, that's just Boulder. 147 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,040 That's just. And now, of course, we know it's 148 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,040 gone way beyond just that. So what did you? 149 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,400 So you're you're here. You're like, I can't, I'm in the 150 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,480 faith family, sweet tea world. And now all the sudden you find 151 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,600 out it's the same seeds of deception and evil. 152 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,200 And you know, at the end of the day, it's after the children. 153 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:00,360 I don't know why people have to, to make it about a politics. 154 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,320 It's the end of the day, it's after the children. 155 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,160 And so you guys did a documentary. 156 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:08,320 Tell us about it. Right. 157 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,880 Well, some of my just to preface that a little bit of like why we 158 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,960 decided to embark on this documentary. 159 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,160 We both came from the entertainment world. 160 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,200 Robbie was a award running director. 161 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,000 I was in the music industry. I was a billboard charting 162 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,720 artist. And I decided to leave before 163 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,840 Robbie did because I was so tired of the sexual quid pro quo 164 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,920 culture that women are faced with there. 165 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,840 And at the time when you spoke about it, you just seemed like 166 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,520 sour grapes. Nobody really understood. 167 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,760 Now people go, oh, I understand how this industry works. 168 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,000 And then they're seeing what they, you know, what happens to 169 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,039 kids. Most of these kids are speaking 170 00:08:40,039 --> 00:08:42,840 out as adults now about what they've endured as children. 171 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,000 And so when I started to understand and really mature, I 172 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,840 understood, OK, this is what this is. 173 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:50,160 And I just don't want any part of it. 174 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,840 And I just decided to focus on being a mom. 175 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,440 And around that time was, you know, shortly afterwards when 176 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,080 Robbie decided to leave as well and set his career on fire 177 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,240 literally overnight. So this, when we came here and 178 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,440 all of this started happening in the schools and everything, I at 179 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,000 the same time I was running my nonprofit which fights Child 180 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,920 Exploitation and I felt like all I was doing was just trying to 181 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,760 convince people that this was happening. 182 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,640 I couldn't even get to that. Let's fix it. 183 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,920 Like that's what I'm all about is solutions, activism that 184 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,080 changes things and restores people's lives. 185 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,800 But you can't get there if you can't convince somebody that 186 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,760 something's actually happening and there is a problem. 187 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,880 And we know this with every facet of life, with spiritually, 188 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:31,880 with addiction, with whatever it is if somebody. 189 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:33,360 'S married, yes. Exactly. 190 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,480 They don't recognize there's a problem, you know? 191 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,480 So that's when I realized we need to make a documentary where 192 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,320 it's just unassailable. Factually, it is all there. 193 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,280 It doesn't have a political agenda, it doesn't have a 194 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,040 spiritual agenda even. It's just this is the problem. 195 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,280 This is what's happening. Look at it just if you, if you 196 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,400 aren't willing to see this, then how can we get people to change? 197 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,880 And it's all in one place. And it took a lot of research, a 198 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,480 lot of time, energy on so many amazing people's parts to make 199 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,000 it happen. And the second we released it, 200 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,360 we were banned on all platforms. We couldn't advertise. 201 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,080 How do you promote a documentary? 202 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,040 We can't even advertise on social media. 203 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,960 On social media, we could post about it, but we couldn't take 204 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,040 out an ad. Any other film, you have to rely 205 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,320 on ads to promote it on YouTube, on Instagram, on Facebook, you 206 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,640 name it. We couldn't do ads except for on 207 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,840 X, and we were. And we didn't take out an ad on 208 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,040 X. But it was Twitter back then, 209 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,080 probably. Well, yeah, it was around the 210 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:31,080 time I think around the switch. But what was amazing and what 211 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,440 God did with this film is that organically people started 212 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,160 sharing it and it ended up becoming the most watched 213 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,720 documentary of that year. And over 60 million people 214 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,320 watched this film. And I really believe the power 215 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,920 of people's stories that we highlighted in this documentary 216 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,960 changed legislation across the country, changed mindset to 217 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,560 change hearts and it it just was a very powerful force. 218 00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:56,160 So we're just blessed that we were able to do it and we got it 219 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,720 out in the right timing. Yeah, and the documentary is 220 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,280 called The War on Children. War on children. 221 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:05,080 War on children and now if we've got a little different climate 222 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,320 right now, can people watch it on any of these? 223 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:08,320 Platforms. Yes. 224 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,840 Now it's on Amazon Prime, it's on Fox Nation, it's available on 225 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,120 X and various other places. Go to The War on children.com. 226 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,160 You can find what way you'd like to watch it. 227 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:18,440 Right. I love that. 228 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,640 And I think I saw some clips from it. 229 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,520 And one of the clips that literally I watched and I just 230 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:30,320 started weeping was the story of a mother whose daughter had 231 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,040 believed that she was born in the wrong body. 232 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,320 And can you tell a little bit about that story? 233 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,040 It ends up on a railroad track. Yeah, absolutely. 234 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:45,440 I don't want to ruin the whole scene for people to her story, 235 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,160 getting to tell her story. But I know that when we were 236 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,080 filming it, I mean, it took everything not to start just 237 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,760 bawling. But I was like, don't make this 238 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,640 about me. I don't want, nobody wants to 239 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,600 see my mask here running down my face right now. 240 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,840 Just focus on the story because it was just unbelievable. 241 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,400 Like the words that were coming out of her mouth about her child 242 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,920 and how people gaslit her, how the system, the the child 243 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,040 protective system stepped in and essentially took away her 244 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:14,000 parental rights, took her child, transitioned her child, and, you 245 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,760 know, ultimately took that child's life. 246 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:22,240 You know, in in Colorado right now, if you mispronoun or dead 247 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,560 name your child and maybe there's somebody out there 248 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:27,360 you're like, what's dead name? That's if your child is saying, 249 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,560 well, I'm no longer Lisa. I'm now going to be Larry. 250 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,760 And if my parents by accident called me Lisa, that would be 251 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:38,120 called dead naming me. And I don't know if it's so much 252 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:42,040 by accident, but if they refuse to call me my new name, then the 253 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,920 state can come in and take the child from the parents. 254 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,040 Absolutely. And that is insane. 255 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,560 And now and and I think it's three states, probably more this 256 00:12:51,560 --> 00:12:54,720 at this point, but they can take them away just for you not 257 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,520 believing in gender ideology, for you being a Christian, for 258 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,040 you, you know, being somebody who practices traditional values 259 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,680 or conservative values, if you simply don't acknowledge that it 260 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:09,280 the ideology, if you don't use the pronouns, if you don't 261 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,240 affirm, you know, they can take the child from you. 262 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,800 And in fact, it's happening to a lot of adopted families. 263 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,800 They want to adopt and and they can't. 264 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,520 They're being rejected. Because of description values. 265 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,960 That's right. So, so today something happened 266 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,920 though. Can you share about that? 267 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:29,280 Oh my gosh, we're so just relieved, excited, overjoyed 268 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,480 that the Supreme Court upheld Tennessee's landmark legislation 269 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,560 to ban child mutilation in our state, transgender procedures, 270 00:13:37,560 --> 00:13:42,280 medical chemical, all of that. That is no longer, you know, 271 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,280 going to be allowed. And it's not just our state now 272 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,960 there's precedent set. So all these other states, you 273 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,480 know, they have the limited time left if they want to keep doing 274 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,840 this to children. Eventually there's going to be 275 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,560 lawsuits and they will end up at the Supreme Court and they're 276 00:13:57,560 --> 00:13:59,440 going to uphold this legislation. 277 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,160 So we were very careful about how it was going to be written, 278 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,400 how it was going to be presented, how, you know, we 279 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,200 went about getting that done in the state because we wanted it 280 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,960 to be upheld. Supreme Court and language 281 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:16,280 everything how you how you you know, work with legislation to 282 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,680 ultimately have teeth, you know, is so important. 283 00:14:18,680 --> 00:14:22,080 So a lot of credit goes to our lawmakers here in Tennessee. 284 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,280 They work tirelessly to make sure it was right and that it 285 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,480 was going to be the the president sending law, lawsuit 286 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,360 that or law that we would have. Yeah. 287 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,720 And, you know, there's people out there that say, why do you 288 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,840 care if if it's an adult, they can make that decision. 289 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,600 That is true. This is about protecting 290 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,120 children. This is about children. 291 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,120 I mean, I, you know, I was just yesterday, we were talking to 292 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,960 some guys and they, they were two amazing young men, but they 293 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,480 were obviously not Christians. And they kept offering John a 294 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,040 beer, a beer. It was hilarious. 295 00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:02,680 But anyway, so we were talking to them and they were horrified 296 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:07,880 at the idea of somebody sexualizing a child, of somebody 297 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,480 empowering a child, somebody who is their brain isn't even 298 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:13,920 developed. They, they brought up the whole 299 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:18,200 thing, if you can't drink to 21, why would you let children do 300 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:22,040 things to their body that would have, you know, irreparable 301 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,400 damage where they could never reproduce? 302 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,760 And they're like, how, how does this even make sense? 303 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:32,120 And and so I do think that there's way more people that 304 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:36,200 agree with that. Maybe not even not they don't 305 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,520 even have to be Christian to want to protect children. 306 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:44,360 But why is it Landon? Why is it that so many 307 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:49,720 Christians are cowardly? Well, that's a loaded question. 308 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,760 I think leadership matters. I think that the pastors have a 309 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,880 great responsibility to lead their church and that headship 310 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,280 of, of where to go, you know where you should go. 311 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:02,680 Same with parents leading their children. 312 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,160 It's the same idea. So I think that that is really 313 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:09,440 important that we have strong leaders in our churches that are 314 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,040 willing to themselves stand up and say, no, this is not 315 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:13,320 acceptable. And I'm going to speak that 316 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,400 truth out, especially for the kids in that congregation 317 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,440 listening who might be confused about their gender or their your 318 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,840 sexuality or, you know, struggling with that. 319 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,360 And they're hearing one thing at school and nothing at. 320 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:25,480 Church. That's right, I think. 321 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:30,640 That's where it becomes the problem And and I don't, I do, I 322 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,640 do believe that a lot of people in the church, and I'm sure this 323 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,880 happened to you, but they say, well, that's political. 324 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,480 Do you see that the sexualization of children are 325 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,200 protecting children from the sexualization? 326 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,480 Do you say that as political, or do you see that as something 327 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,960 that we have a mandate to do as people who are followers of 328 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,240 Jesus Christ? The people that say that, I 329 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,040 think they use that as a semantic shield so that they 330 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,840 don't actually have to take action. 331 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:04,040 Yeah, it's so easy to just say, oh, this is political, but 332 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,640 really. And I never thought I'd be 333 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,599 involved in politics. And I don't like politics. 334 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:10,760 Nobody likes politics, but I love people. 335 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,520 Yes, exactly. And, and every policy is the end 336 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,680 result of a moral stand standing of some sort. 337 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,040 So if we fail on a moral standing, there will be a 338 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,440 policy, good or evil, that reflects that. 339 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,960 It's just a reflection of how we choose to govern our churches, 340 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,520 govern ourselves and our families. 341 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,160 And if we don't participate in that space, which we are called 342 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,240 to do. And enough pastors, I don't say 343 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,880 that we are called to be, to be in these spaces so that we 344 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:41,160 aren't ceding ground to evil agendas and immorality. 345 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,720 I mean, that is our, is our purpose to, to speak out, to 346 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,120 speak truth. So I think it's very important 347 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:51,640 that people are involved at the very least in speaking the 348 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,560 truth. Yeah, well, I want to thank you 349 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,760 guys for not caving because I think so many people do that. 350 00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:01,160 Well, wow, we're shocked that people are pushing back. 351 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,360 So you know what, we're going to live by these principles, but 352 00:18:04,360 --> 00:18:05,960 we're not going to take any territory. 353 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:10,280 And you guys obviously decided to live by the principles, but 354 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:15,160 also decided that there needed to be rescue for other people 355 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,240 who couldn't see the truth, that didn't believe it was happening, 356 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,160 that maybe weren't empowered to find their voice. 357 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,640 And I, you know, it's been interesting for me as a female 358 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,840 minister and I want to say something. 359 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,400 What? But the policies I've heard 360 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,320 Allie be stuck. You say it quite a few times. 361 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,920 She said, you know, policy matters because people matter 362 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,480 and policies affect people. And so I do think Christians 363 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:44,560 have abdicated their God-given rights and powers. 364 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:49,080 And we're one of the few nations where we can still actually have 365 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,560 voice and have some support for Christian values. 366 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,440 And so I, I really want to, I want to, to celebrate that you 367 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,400 guys have done that and that you've done it with excellence. 368 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:04,520 And, you know, you guys have also come out after Dei. 369 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,240 What does that look like? Because I would imagine that's 370 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,560 one, I mean, most people be like, I'll take on one battle, 371 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,640 I'll take on the gender identity battle. 372 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,800 But you guys are like, no, let's just go for broke with this. 373 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,840 Right, well, when we made the war on children, we had this 374 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,160 battle plan and you'll see it when you watch the film 375 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,920 outlining like all these areas that that we've ceded ground to 376 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,080 equal agendas. And how did this happen and 377 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:30,800 where did it come from and how do we stop it? 378 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,080 And so when you look at different, you know, aspects, 379 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,520 education, sexualization, the medical industry, you know, all 380 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,360 of these different areas, that's that's how we know, you know, to 381 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,880 engage at those different access points. 382 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,960 If you want to go deeper, I want to share with you that John and 383 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,560 I both use logos. And why do we do that? 384 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,760 Because we want to be smart. We don't want to be stupid. 385 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:58,400 And we use Logos for researching, for our books and 386 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,440 our messages and right now. 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Go to logos.com/bevier to start 398 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:53,240 your 60 day free trial. Maybe I came into your world 399 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,200 where you were already talking about the gender identity and 400 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,880 then we're maybe you're doing DEI first. 401 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:03,480 I don't know. But all of a sudden I saw you 402 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:09,040 and your husband coming out against huge corporations and 403 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:15,680 all you did was put their own statements of how their virtue 404 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,920 alignment is online and what started to happen. 405 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,440 Right well, with DEI, you know, it sounds good in in theory, 406 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,640 right diversity, equity, inclusion. 407 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:31,200 But it's really the most divisive, racist, polarizing 408 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,520 force that tears people apart, families apart, businesses 409 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,600 apart, your workplace relationships. 410 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,160 And we started realizing we needed to, to speak up on this 411 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,440 and see what we could do to change it. 412 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,400 And ironically, it was a trip to Tractor Supply for my husband, 413 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,360 picking up some hay and stuff and him realizing that they were 414 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,920 supporting some really bad stuff, especially that involved 415 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,720 children. And he was like, you know what? 416 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,880 I'm not going to not shop a Tractor Supply. 417 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,880 I'm going to fix them. I'm going to fix this issue. 418 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,600 I'm going to, you know, show the the CEO's or whoever's running 419 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,720 the show over there what's actually happening. 420 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,000 They may not even know. They might not even know, and 421 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,400 you wouldn't believe how many of these CEO's have no idea what's 422 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,160 happening at their companies. So that was really the start of 423 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,120 it was just Robbie not wanting to, you know, he likes his 424 00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:17,240 routine, he likes to pick up his own hay and his stuff for the 425 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:18,160 cows. What? 426 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,920 Happened in California. That motivated him to get in 427 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,520 that fight. And then when he had that 428 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:28,160 success, we realized that we don't always have to fight in a 429 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,480 spirit of striving and exhaustion and, you know, being 430 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,920 strong and all that. We, we could have fun with this. 431 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,920 And really we're just taking their own words, which they 432 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,280 should be very happy with and, and the things they support and 433 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,120 saying, OK, well, it's pride day. 434 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:43,280 There's this information, there's this, you should be 435 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,280 happy about this. And then they're not happy about 436 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:45,960 this. Why? 437 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,080 Because it's not actually what people believe. 438 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:53,000 This is a, an agenda that is being pushed by these extreme 439 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,920 fringe people that have these, you know, agendas. 440 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,160 And so if we can push that out and go back to a place where 441 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,120 everybody treats everybody equally with kindness, no matter 442 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:05,480 what their gender, sexuality, religion is, then aren't we all 443 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,320 going to get along better? And aren't your products going 444 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,160 to do better? It's a very simple idea. 445 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,640 It's just common sense really. We did not invent this concept 446 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,920 of how to fix this, but it, it's, we've just had more fun 447 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,720 with it, I guess this, this go around. 448 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,160 So it's been an interesting journey, but we're it's so 449 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,000 exciting to see how many companies have turn that ship 450 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,240 around. Yeah, what? 451 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,560 Which one? Which victory was the one you 452 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:27,800 guys were the most excited about? 453 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,720 Well, Robbie was the most excited about Tractor Supply. 454 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,760 OK, it's the hay. Yes, OK, I got that. 455 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,280 Yes, definitely. And I'd have to think about. 456 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,280 There's so many. Honestly, at this point, I, I 457 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,080 would say I'm, I'm, I'm really excited to see Harley-Davidson 458 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:47,000 turn around because it's such an iconic American brand and they 459 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,400 were really riding off the, the rails with, with Harley. 460 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,720 But we eventually they started turning things around. 461 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,400 So that one was more of a a fight to to get things where 462 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:57,760 they need. Like Lowe's? 463 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,120 Also yes. Lowe's, Toyota, McDonald's, 464 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:04,200 Walmart, Target. I mean the list is so long. 465 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,760 I wasn't surprised about Target, but but I was surprised about 466 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,200 Lowe's. I really was. 467 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:13,480 OK, so how are you? I mean, I love that you're doing 468 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,600 all this out there, but how are you discipling your four 469 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:21,160 children at home? Wow, so that I'm currently still 470 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,080 in this season of restoration right now even though I'm 471 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,960 exhausted? Isn't that sounds like a doesn't 472 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,560 go together, but I had a very difficult pregnancy, as you 473 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,720 know, and during I, I took a break from everything. 474 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,600 In fact, this is like the first podcast I I'm doing again and my 475 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,360 baby's eight months. And in this season of 476 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:45,200 restoration, I really felt called back into my family and 477 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,840 to pouring into them and pouring into myself so that I can lead 478 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,280 them better and so that I can find joy again in my home. 479 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,160 And I'm not just feeling like I'm juggling all of these things 480 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,480 and fighting and striving. And it literally took me being 481 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,560 in pain, you know, which to surrender. 482 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,160 And so it was in so much physical pain during that 483 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,200 pregnancy. And I literally had this mat in 484 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,240 in my room called the crying mat where I would just go to 'cause 485 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,080 I would be in pain. There's nothing you can do. 486 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,440 You can't be. Was it back pain? 487 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,200 It was body pain. It was it was joint pain, body 488 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,880 pain and and not this host of other issues. 489 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:23,960 But but I kept reminding myself like at the end of this, you 490 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,760 know, this is a cancer. At the end of this, I, I 491 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,560 hopefully get this beautiful, healthy baby and I did, but 492 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,320 there was just a lot of lessons, you know, that I was cultivating 493 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,160 during that time of being brought literally to my knees or 494 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,960 to the to the crying mat. And I'm still in that season of 495 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,440 just getting to figure out how I'm going to move forward, 496 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,240 whatever that is that I'm supposed to be doing with, with 497 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,080 just more rest, with more grace, with more ease, with more joy. 498 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,280 And you know, it's just, it's, it's different way of fighting 499 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,200 that isn't going to be so depleting going forward. 500 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,560 So I'm, I'm, I'm still calibrating and learning those 501 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,800 lessons right now, but pouring into my kids. 502 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,400 I have 4 kids now and I thought after three, what's one more? 503 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,640 It's a lot more. It's a lot more. 504 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,240 So I I want a baby who's still not sleeping through the night 505 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,080 so. It's yeah, that makes it a lot 506 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,000 more. Yeah, but it's it's fun. 507 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,400 We're having so much fun and I'm so exhausted at the end of the 508 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,280 day but. Well, you look radiant, so 509 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:20,560 that's good. You look good. 510 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,720 So my concealer is working. No, no, no, you know, you, you 511 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,920 look, you look well, I saw it the last time I saw you, you 512 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,800 were still pregnant and you were in a lot of discomfort. 513 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,560 And I don't see that on you. You know, I, I don't know 514 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,960 whether you're this way, but literally God did something in 515 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,600 and through my life with each of my pregnancy. 516 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,000 Each of them were, were different. 517 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,280 And I think during a pregnancy is when I felt the most 518 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,760 vulnerable. And because I was the most 519 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,480 vulnerable, he had my attention the most. 520 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,280 I mean, I was like, why do you do these things? 521 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,440 When I pranked it, he's like, because I've got your attention. 522 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,920 I'm like, Oh my gosh. But and I love that you're 523 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,600 giving yourself permission to rest. 524 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,120 There's a old school Christian song called The Warrior is a 525 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:08,720 Child by Twyla Pairs. I don't know if you would have 526 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,840 ever remembered that, but I just remember that there was this 527 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,840 permission that at the end of the day, you go out into battle, 528 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,960 but you come home and you're still a child of God. 529 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,920 You have to get your life. You have to get your, your 530 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,480 refreshment in the spirit from him. 531 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:27,920 And so I love that you're doing that. 532 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,640 Christian parents are are are they finding their voice or are 533 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,080 they afraid because of what's happening in the school system? 534 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,320 Well, you know, I, I'm seeing a lot more parents starting to 535 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,320 speak out, starting to be involved, starting to pay 536 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,600 attention. We've moved from this, this area 537 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,680 where parents were like, well, I know this is happening. 538 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,480 What can I do or what can you do, Landon and Robbie to fix it 539 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,480 to these are my children. This is my responsibility. 540 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,280 I'm their first teacher and most important teacher in life. 541 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:56,920 And I need to go to the school board. 542 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,560 I need to go to these meetings because this is my child's life. 543 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:03,440 And I'm really happy to see that shift because, you know, these 544 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,600 issues are not activists to go fix them. 545 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,360 It's it's, it's our responsibility as parents where 546 00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:13,920 we send them 8 plus hours a day. The environments that we send 547 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,520 them into shape their their entire, you know, life. 548 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,280 And not everybody can homeschool. 549 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,280 No. Absolutely. 550 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:22,680 And not everybody should homeschool. 551 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,880 I know that people are getting mad at me for saying that, but 552 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:28,880 not everybody has the time. Not everybody has the economic 553 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,760 opportunity to stay home from work and and homeschooling. 554 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,960 Not everybody is skilled to homeschool. 555 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,000 My kids would have been idiots if I homeschooled them. 556 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,640 But but the truth is every parent needs to actually use 557 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,040 their voice in the school. A long time ago when my my son, 558 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,000 who is now Christian's husband, who is does a podcast with John 559 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,240 when he was 14, he was a freshman. 560 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,240 He came home, he'd just finished golf season. 561 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,880 He was trying for basketball, super tired. 562 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,320 And I remember he came down to my bedroom. 563 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,680 We sitting on the bed with me said, mom, I keep falling asleep 564 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,000 when I'm reading this. Will you read it to me? 565 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,680 So I start reading this book to him and all the sudden he 566 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,840 reaches over and he closes the book and he said I hate this 567 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,400 book. And I said wait, what did you 568 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,440 see? And I open it up on the very 569 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:23,080 next page it says I am if there was Olympics for masturbation, I 570 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,240 would win a gold medal. It said I have a book with 1000 571 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,280 naked women in it. And, and it went all through 572 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,480 this and it just even first, even even worse now that I mean, 573 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,200 Ardenness going to be 31 this October. 574 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,960 He was 14 back then. And I remember I was like, Oh my 575 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,520 gosh, this is horrible. I said, this is for English. 576 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,840 This is what, why are you reading this book? 577 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,080 He goes, I hate it. I hate it. 578 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,920 And so I said, OK, I'll call the school tomorrow and I'll, I'll 579 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,760 tell them that you don't want to read this book and you want to 580 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,440 read a different book. So I called the school, the 581 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,120 teacher calls me back, and they said, hey, And I didn't pull the 582 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,440 Christian card. I said, hey, my son, he's not 583 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,840 enjoying this book, and it's really grieving him. 584 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,000 And I'd like to know if there's another option because it was 585 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,920 just being in the book. And she was like, well, do you 586 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,040 want him to read a John Steinbeck book? 587 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,440 And I was like, yeah, I actually would. 588 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,040 I'm OK with that. And so I said, but don't, don't 589 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,760 shame him. And I want to respect his 590 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,280 conscience. And she was like, OK, so she 591 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,960 does the exact opposite. She comes into the classroom. 592 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,800 She said, well, somebody's mom doesn't like this book. 593 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,160 And she said, so do you want to read the girls book, Arden, or 594 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,080 do you want to read the book I chose or do you want to read the 595 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,840 book we read last year? And she goes over and Arden, of 596 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,560 course, like, I'll read the book that you read last year. 597 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,360 She slams it down on his desk. And she said everybody else that 598 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,640 wants to stay with the book I chose, you come out of the class 599 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,400 with me and left Arden there. And I guess two other boys were 600 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,320 like, we hate this book too. And they stayed back with him. 601 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,880 But the way the teacher presented it to me, she called 602 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,160 me and she said it's great. They've got a reading group, 603 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,640 they're going to go in the library, blah, blah, blah. 604 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:10,360 Arden walks in. At the time he was 14-6 foot 605 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,680 almost 3. Like, I mean, just shamed. 606 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,640 And he told me what happened. And I remember there was this 607 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,680 wake up moment for me, Landon. I thought, why was I OK with my 608 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,800 son not reading the book? And I forgot about all the other 609 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,800 boys. And I called the school back and 610 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,480 I said, can I talk to the teacher? 611 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:31,960 Well, she was gone for the day. I said, can I talk to the 612 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,840 principal? And they said no, you know, you 613 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,680 can't talk to the principal. And they said, well, who can I 614 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,280 talk to? They said, we can talk to the 615 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,200 vice principal. And I said, listen, I said 616 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,880 everything. And I said, I want that book 617 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,560 pulled. And they're like, well, you 618 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,840 know, you can't asked for a book to be pulled out of the entire 619 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,320 district. I said, well, I'm asking. 620 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,000 And they said, well, you can't. And I said, well, I'm going to 621 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,440 publish. And I thought I had such a big 622 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,760 following. I was like, I'm going to put 623 00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:00,120 this on my Facebook. I've got 19,000 people and I am 624 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,560 putting this on my Facebook. And I said I'm just going to put 625 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,880 excerpts. And so I just wrote something to 626 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,160 the effect. It was like a Friday. 627 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,720 Just because your kids can't read doesn't mean you shouldn't 628 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,840 read what they're reading. And then I did excerpt with 629 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:13,840 this. It blew up. 630 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,960 The school has all of these e-mail things. 631 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,600 Parents are like, what are you reading to our kids? 632 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,440 They all freak out. I had gone to focus on the 633 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,640 family and asked them to get involved and they said you, you 634 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,960 don't you can you actually have enough power that you could just 635 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,760 do this? Not not because of who I was, 636 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,000 but they just as a parent, you're paying taxes, you have a 637 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,200 voice. And so I remember I came in and 638 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,960 the teacher was scared she wouldn't meet with me, but the 639 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,200 principal was a grandmother and she was furious. 640 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,920 She said, I do not know how this book on our school system. 641 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,680 And I had said you guys are in violation of your own courage or 642 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,800 virtues with having this book in here. 643 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:54,240 It's it's endorsing suicide, shoplifting, I mean, all this 644 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,240 kind of stuff. And and so they sent all the 645 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,680 teachers to a training seminar on how to pick books again. 646 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,720 And they moved Arden out of the class. 647 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,120 And for the next 4 years, the teachers would say to art, if 648 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,800 you have any problems with any of this books, don't tell your 649 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,560 mom, just tell us. We, we, you don't have to read 650 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,600 it. But I was shocked to learn that 651 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,320 that same book is back in the libraries again. 652 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,120 Oh my God, yes, yes, it was called the absolutely true 653 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,640 history of a Native American Indian or something like that. 654 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,840 It was a Newberry award-winning book. 655 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,160 I'm like, what in the it's a perverse book. 656 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,880 And, and right now I do know there's a lot of pushback. 657 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,520 We see, you know, there's Reverend Truth who reads books 658 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,880 out loud in front of school boards and gets arrested and 659 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,880 thrown out. Actually, back then that was the 660 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,720 threat I made. I said, Hey, I'm, I'm going to 661 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,600 actually, I'm going to actually go to your school board and read 662 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:50,920 this out loud if you don't do it. 663 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,040 And I also made them write it to the parents. 664 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,280 I didn't let them call. I said I went in writing, good 665 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,120 for you. And but but now that looks 666 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,280 different. What would you say? 667 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,240 You've got a young mom, muppy if and a single mom who's home. 668 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,280 She's got, she's got kids in the public school system. 669 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,480 What are some of the steps she can take to make a difference? 670 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,239 Right. Well, I have messages every day 671 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,639 from moms all around the country asking how, how do I fix this? 672 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:23,000 And in some situations, I'll never say, oh, there's no hope. 673 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,040 But some situations are in a very blue area, which, you know, 674 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,159 plays a role because that just happens to align with the 675 00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:31,880 policies that are in opposition to protecting children's 676 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,960 innocence and their minds and allowing them to have an 677 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:41,120 education free of sexualization. So in those areas, it is very 678 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,960 difficult. Their chips are stacked against 679 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,199 you. So you do have to align with 680 00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:48,520 other parents and come together. And if that's not there, then 681 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,159 you do need to make a plan. So I say make a plan. 682 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,320 Might not happen tomorrow of of other options for schools. 683 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,080 There's charter schools, there's homeschool pods, there's other 684 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,200 options for education while you fight this because at the end of 685 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,880 the day, if you can't get this stuff out, it is still our 686 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,760 responsibility as a parent, no matter what we have to do to 687 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,960 protect our children. And I want parents to to have 688 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,960 that authority to remind themselves like this. 689 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,720 The state is not the parent, The teacher is not the parent. 690 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,200 The school board is not the parent. 691 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,520 You're the parent. And it is it's your 692 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,200 responsibility and your judgment call. 693 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,080 And so making a plan depending on where you're at. 694 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,200 But for parents that do organize, you see the fruits of 695 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,920 that. You see enough parents come 696 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,960 together. And even in California, I have a 697 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:39,280 friend out in California, they, they came to a very blue area 698 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,800 where they didn't think they were going to make it, but they 699 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,160 were, they came in such numbers, fearless and read the excerpts 700 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,760 and they got two of the people on the school board to reverse 701 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,080 that. You know, that's amazing. 702 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,960 So it does make a difference where you fight, how you fight. 703 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,360 And and so and there's power in those numbers, but it starts by 704 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,080 using your voice. So what happened to those 705 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,000 friends that kind of disband from you when you started to 706 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,320 take a stand? Have they come full circle or 707 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,720 did God just give you new friends? 708 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,800 God, God gave me new friends and it wasn't there. 709 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,680 There has been a couple instances where they say, hey, 710 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,280 you know, I was wrong. Let's I just didn't know. 711 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,200 But I told them, you know, so it like I understand. 712 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,560 They don't want to believe. That they don't. 713 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,480 They don't want to believe that because it requires them to act. 714 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,200 You know, if you are made aware that something's happened to 715 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,280 your kid, now it's on you to do something to protect them. 716 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,520 And that takes away from their me time or their, you know, 717 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,200 whatever they want to do with or the picture perfect life that 718 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,280 they thought they had because they worked so hard to get into 719 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,360 this elite private school in Tennessee or what whatever the 720 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,160 situation is. And that's, that's what I found. 721 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,240 So that when we realized that was happening to our oldest 722 00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:51,360 daughter, we pulled her from that, from that school. 723 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,480 But many parents said like that's not happening and 724 00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:56,240 ultimately they didn't want to fight it. 725 00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:01,320 OK, yeah, yeah. So if she's sitting home and 726 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,920 maybe she's, she's like, you know, they, they say mom's 727 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,200 usually no. And what, what can she start 728 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,280 tonight at the dinner table with her kids? 729 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,800 What are some of the questions sure that they can ask around 730 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,000 the dinner table to find out what is going on? 731 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,840 What are you hearing without the children feeling afraid that 732 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,240 they're they've done something wrong or being accused? 733 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,600 What is a conversation starter? That's a really good question. 734 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,480 I, I'd like to pull back on that a little bit because I think it 735 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,800 matters the culture of the home and how comfortable you are 736 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,200 talking to your kids about issues that they're exposed to 737 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,480 like pornography, whether they have access to devices or not, 738 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,200 their friends do. So these are ongoing 739 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,320 conversations that I think if you're starting from a place of 740 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,360 never having these, I think it'd be a good idea to get educated, 741 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:50,960 get informed, get some resources. 742 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,680 We have great resources at Freedom Forever dot US on, you 743 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,560 know, just everything from what entertainment our kids are 744 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,760 exposed to at home to how do I get a cell phone for my kid that 745 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,960 isn't exposed to all these social media platforms or what 746 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,240 do I do in these situations. There's great resources there. 747 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,000 But if you do have a good rapport with your kids, I think 748 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,320 talking to them daily about these issues is so important. 749 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,040 And not from a place of judgement or shame, but from a 750 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,440 place of, you know, tell me more. 751 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,160 Share and listen, really listen to what they're saying without 752 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,160 judgement. Because sometimes as parents, we 753 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,120 want to go. Who said? 754 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,560 That what book is there I want. I want, I want all the 755 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,400 information, but if you just listen, they will disclose to 756 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,080 you. And then this is at least what I 757 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,400 do with my own children. I say, well, you know, how do 758 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,200 you think we could handle this? Would you like to talk to the 759 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,360 teacher? I give them the opportunity to 760 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,960 say it's good to go to the teacher and say hey, I was 761 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,320 uncomfortable by this. I prefer not to do this 762 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,480 assignment. Here's why and and let them have 763 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,320 practice. Advocating for the. 764 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,240 Advocating for themselves and, and acting out the values that 765 00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:54,800 we're trying to teach them rather than us doing it for 766 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,920 them. Of course, you know, as age 767 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,680 appropriate. But we have these conversations 768 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,000 even in front of our younger ones so that they can see how 769 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,960 the older ones are navigating that as well. 770 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,800 So if there's a way where I can empower my child to do it for 771 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,520 themselves, I do. But if it's something that 772 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,960 requires, as I say, like crossing a line, if it crosses a 773 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,240 line where I need to get involved, you know, we'll have 774 00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:18,400 that conversation. But I've been really surprised, 775 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,880 and I think a lot of parents share this when they allow their 776 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:26,200 kids to really to have their, their values tested and put into 777 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,800 practice the, the decisions that they'll make. 778 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,600 You know, one of my children, their friend, you know, was 779 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,480 making some kind of comments about like hurting themselves. 780 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,640 And I immediately was like, we got a, we got a call, you know, 781 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,480 the school we got, we have to report, you know, and, and my 782 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,600 child was like, Hey, you know, just pull on mom, pump the 783 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,800 brakes. I want to talk to the teacher 784 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,240 1st and I want to let them know. And I want, then I want to talk 785 00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:51,040 to my friend and let them know that because I care about you. 786 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,440 I want to let you know, I told the teacher because I would 787 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,280 never forgive myself if something happened to you. 788 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,080 And I love you and I care. And I, I wasn't even involved in 789 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,000 that whole thing. I just got to sit back and just 790 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,480 support. And I think that kids, we need, 791 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,920 they need us to believe in them and to allow them to actually 792 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,280 exercise those values and not just us tell them what to do and 793 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,960 all the situations. Because then you're raising 794 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,240 children that don't know how to think that's right, and they 795 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:17,640 don't know how to advocate for themselves and they don't know 796 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,080 how to step in. I love that. 797 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,040 I wonder, is there a scripture that you guys just kind of laid 798 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,960 hold of when you were like, wow, we feel like we're alone and we 799 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:35,440 feel like we have a Goliath in front of us and we know that 800 00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:37,360 that children are being sexualized. 801 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:38,960 We know there's a war on children. 802 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,760 I do know that if you guys took a stand on that, I do know that 803 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,640 you came under spiritual attack. I do know that you came under 804 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,200 financial attack. I do know that you came under 805 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,160 social attack. And I often find when I find 806 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,080 that I get hit by so many things. 807 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,640 If I have a particular scripture that is like a sword that is a 808 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,760 weapon in my hand, what is that scripture? 809 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,520 Because I believe that some women have heard you some. 810 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,960 There's going to be some conversations around the table 811 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,880 and, and who knows, maybe people are going to get active on 812 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,440 school board, active in their library, going through seeing 813 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,440 different things. But they're they're, they're 814 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,600 going to get something is going to hit them and then they're 815 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,120 going to think, well, maybe I should, shouldn't have done 816 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,600 anything. And really, it's because they're 817 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,360 getting an attack because they are making a movement in the 818 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,080 right direction. Absolutely. 819 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:36,080 Well, they're the first one that comes to mind is Proverbs 35. 820 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,800 You know, trust in the Lord, not lean on your own understanding 821 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,360 in all your ways, acknowledge him and he'll direct your path. 822 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,760 And I think it's really important because especially 823 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,720 with my personality, sometimes I get in my head and I want to 824 00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:49,200 lean on my own understanding, my own intellect, my own past 825 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,560 experiences to pave my way forward. 826 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,520 And the first thing we should be doing is going Lord and 827 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,760 consulting the Holy Spirit on what are the next steps. 828 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,840 That's all we have to do. It's overwhelming as a parent to 829 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,680 have your child come home and disclose something that you feel 830 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,400 like a failure at, or you're worried for their safety or for 831 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,720 somebody else's. It's a wait and it happens so 832 00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:11,200 frequently because our kids are so frequently under attack now. 833 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,720 So it can feel overwhelming. And we don't want the enemy to 834 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:18,160 paralyze us right Immediately. It's like we get paralyzed and 835 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,400 then we don't do anything or we choose the, the, the lesser path 836 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,000 of resistance so that we can not have to expend as much energy 837 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,800 or, you know, sacrifice to get the ultimate thing that we want 838 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,280 out of it. And so I think it's really 839 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,960 important that God will direct this path. 840 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,600 Like I trust him, I trust to help protect our home. 841 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,320 I trust to help protect our children. 842 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,160 I trust that he'll direct the path of what we're supposed to 843 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,560 do. I have no idea what I'm supposed 844 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,200 to do this next year. Right now I'm I'm with my child 845 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,440 and I love it. And if I'm supposed to just 846 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,320 continue being a stay at home mom and occasionally, you know, 847 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,440 coming. That's not a bad choice. 848 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,000 I'm. I'm OK with all of it and, and I 849 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,200 it's such a wonderful place and such a liberating place to to 850 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,280 really just trust God and surrender like he will direct 851 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,800 your path in your specific situation because nobody knows 852 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,480 it better than him. Yeah, and God has the strategy, 853 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,360 the enemy has the scheme, but not always as a strategy. 854 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,640 So in all of this, I mean, you guys are obviously you're so 855 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,000 skilled with music and Robbie was the director. 856 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:19,280 What was the role that prayer played in all of this? 857 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,560 How did you know, OK, this is a documentary or this is something 858 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,200 we pray into. This is something I speak out 859 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,000 at. This is something we advocate. 860 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,000 This is something we just hold close to our heart and battle in 861 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,000 the Spirit. How did you know how to navigate 862 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,520 those things? By constantly being in prayer 863 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,520 and constantly surrendering and being obedient. 864 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,840 And I think in that order, coming to prayer, you know, 865 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:45,720 coming to the Lord with your fears, your worries, all of that 866 00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:48,800 so he can that can sift through and then you can actually figure 867 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,520 out how you're supposed to move forward. 868 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,280 And in some cases you're not, not everyone is called to do 869 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,080 everything. And I think that's where, at 870 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,920 least as a woman, I feel sometimes so overwhelmed by 871 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,280 there's the war happening, there's this happening, there's 872 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,280 your child's school. And we were not designed to bear 873 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,480 all of that on our shoulders. And so coming to the Lord and 874 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,040 allowing him to sift through that with you, to work with you 875 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,320 and your heart and say, this is what this is how you can move 876 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,080 forward in this situation. This is what you can do about 877 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,680 this, you know, And I think that's so important because we 878 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,080 can't take on everything. Yeah, because you really do 879 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,600 nothing at that point. You just freeze and you shut 880 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,200 down. Yes, absolutely. 881 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,520 And it you can have this and I do feel like it's a ploy of the 882 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,520 enemy to overwhelm, overwhelm, overwhelm. 883 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,960 And then people just they just shut down. 884 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:40,720 And I love that you said surrender because nobody thinks 885 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,280 that being a warrior involves surrender. 886 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,440 But I have learned myself that anytime I go into any kind of 887 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:52,160 spiritual warfare, the 1st place I hit is a place of humility and 888 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,360 surrender. Like, you know, OK, so that's 889 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,200 what the book of James says, you know, you submit yourself to 890 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,240 God. That's surrender. 891 00:44:58,240 --> 00:44:59,520 Like God. This is what I'm seeing. 892 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,400 This is what I'm feeling. I'm submitting all of this to 893 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,240 you. I'm surrendering it all to you. 894 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,840 You know, we resist the devil and then he will flee. 895 00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:11,000 And, and it's not in our own power, It's not in our own 896 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,720 strength. If if we don't surrender first, 897 00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:15,920 we try to do it in our own power and our own strength. 898 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,840 And then it backfires big time, yes. 899 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:20,920 Yes, I've had. Backfired too. 900 00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:22,640 Backfires. Exactly. 901 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,400 And but even with backfire, you learn a lesson and and that's 902 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,720 the beauty of walking with God, that we fall and we just get 903 00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:31,520 back up and we're like, OK, that can work. 904 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,160 We'll just, we'll try surrender. 1st SO. 905 00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:40,120 Yeah, because I see you both as such warriors, but I don't see 906 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,840 you harsh or mean. And I just think that's such a 907 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,320 beautiful combination. And sometimes when you see so 908 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,680 much, you see so much darkness, you see so much evil, you see so 909 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,320 much injustice, and you feel like you're not being heard. 910 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:57,840 People go into the anger zone. And I appreciate that you've 911 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,160 guarded your heart and I love that you are just enjoying this, 912 00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:06,560 this beautiful little baby boy, this Leo, and just having that 913 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:11,080 moment to just restore yourself. And and then you'll know. 914 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,160 We have a friend, John. John, we're on vacation. 915 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,440 And John, my husband's, you know, kind of high kind of, and 916 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,720 one of our friends who's a pastor, he said, hey, John, Hey, 917 00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:23,880 John, guess what? It'll be revealed. 918 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,360 That became our thing we would say to each other. 919 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,120 And so to every mother out there, every parent out there, 920 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,120 every person that's like what's going on, They feel called to 921 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,840 have a battle, but they don't know what to do. 922 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,880 You surrender, you pray and it will be revealed. 923 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,200 God wants you to know he wants to talk to you. 924 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,200 He wants to give you clarity. And I'm just so thankful that 925 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,760 you guys did that, that you moved and didn't, didn't cave, 926 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,480 didn't say fine, fine. We're angry. 927 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,640 We feel rejected by our friends. We feel like people doubt our 928 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,240 hearts on these things. And we'll just go into our own 929 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:05,960 little cave and we'll homeschool our kids and stockpile food and 930 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,880 get guns. I I really appreciate that you 931 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,320 empowered other people. Right. 932 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,240 Oh, thank you. And and the human part of this 933 00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:15,960 is I felt all of those things. Sure, you know and. 934 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,840 They threatened. They threatened your children. 935 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,480 I mean, I, I followed this probably closer than I showed 936 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,320 up. I was like, oh, wait, wait, what 937 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,480 do you mean? You threatened the life of your 938 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,360 children and yet nothing happens. 939 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:32,360 And there's this bullying spirit that threatens and lies and 940 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,520 intimidates. And really, at the end of the 941 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,800 day, that's its greatest weapon. It's intimidation. 942 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,200 Well, it's, it's amazing. The second you do surrender, you 943 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,920 feel better, but also God is equipping you for that next 944 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,360 step. So you do have to move through 945 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,160 those uncomfortable feelings, but give it to the Lord and 946 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,320 through prayer and surrender you can move forward. 947 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,040 I said everybody needs a crying mat. 948 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,640 It sounds like the surrender. Maybe it's just called the 949 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,680 surrender mat. And when we say surrender, we're 950 00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,600 not talking about surrender, enemy, enemy. 951 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,240 We're talking about surrendering to God, Yes. 952 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,280 Exactly. Yes, absolutely. 953 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,400 Actually, that sounds so much nicer than the crying mat. 954 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,560 Maybe, you know, it needed to be the crying mat for a season now. 955 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,160 It could be the surrender. The surrender space. 956 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:11,600 I love that. I love it. 957 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,320 If you like that. Yes, Landon. 958 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,560 I mean, people might be saying I don't really think this is 959 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,640 happening out there. What are the stats? 960 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:25,880 Wow well in my work the stats keep climbing over 32,000,000 961 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,840 reports to Nick Mack, the National Center for missing and 962 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,880 exploited children of suspected online sexual exploitation 963 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,320 abuse. See Sam child sexual abuse 964 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,320 material have happened in the past years and it's only getting 965 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,960 more. And that is really alarming 966 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,800 because we know that any given time in any part of the country, 967 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,920 there's a lot of pedophiles seeking out this content. 968 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,560 And I gave a Ted talk which was banned a few years ago about 969 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,240 about the specific situation where we do these stings and in 970 00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:02,000 any area of the country within, you know, hours, hundreds of men 971 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,880 seeking to meet children. So they found this amazing 972 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,360 vehicle of online where legislation, it's like the Wild 973 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,320 West because they're not regulated and parents are paying 974 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,040 attention and they have direct access to children. 975 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,960 So these crimes are, they went from being the man in the weird 976 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,520 van to online served up content to children. 977 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,920 And these social media companies are only complicit in that by 978 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,440 suggesting sexually explicit content of children, exploitive 979 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,760 content of children to them. So we have a very big problem 980 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,080 here. And that's why the threat has 981 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,800 never been greater to children, because there's never been 982 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,440 greater access of these pedophiles, these predators to 983 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,160 children. I heard and tell me if this is 984 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:48,960 true and I heard that predators, child predators will actually go 985 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,160 back door through games. So games that are completely 986 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:56,160 innocent like Minecraft or Among Us, they somehow get into the 987 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,600 games to access the children. Is that true? 988 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,120 That is absolutely true. In fact, I was working with a 989 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,160 family recently where there's a game called Kahoot, which is a 990 00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,520 quiz game that a lot of schools use to quiz their, you know, 991 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,080 prepare their kids for tests. So even on something like that, 992 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,880 they can access children if it if the proper precautions aren't 993 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,120 carried out. So what does this mean? 994 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,080 Because when I first tell parents this, they say, oh, 995 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,560 well, ban Roblox, ban this thing, ban. 996 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,720 But that's not necessarily the answer with larger social media, 997 00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,600 you know, platforms, yes, that is the answer because until your 998 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,640 child is ready to navigate a world of pornography and 999 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,680 predators, we should not be exposing them to that. 1000 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,200 But there's some, you know, things like Roblox and games 1001 00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,520 like that. And the solution is really tech 1002 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,080 and supervised shared spaces. No, no phones or devices in 1003 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,320 children's rooms or giving them privacy with that. 1004 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,440 They are not ready for that. So anytime using it in a school 1005 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,200 setting, make sure the school is educated on tech safety. 1006 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,880 And there's great resources that we have at my organization as 1007 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,360 well to help parents navigate them. 1008 00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,960 But we don't have to live in a spirit of fear over all these 1009 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,720 things because there's wonderful things about these these things 1010 00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:02,880 too. I learned so many things from 1011 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,800 YouTube and so do my kids. It's just navigating that world 1012 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,240 with with better resources and digital defense skills. 1013 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,720 Yeah. And you know, so many parents, I 1014 00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:16,440 feel so pressured by their children for that smartphone or 1015 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,880 whatever. What have you found out to be 1016 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,800 the age? And I guess that would vary 1017 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,920 according to the child, but would you say to a parent, I 1018 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:29,080 would never give my child this phone before the age of is 1019 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,160 there? Can you fill in the blank? 1020 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,880 Sure, I, policy wise, I've been asked that question a lot. 1021 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,920 And if I say 16 just to give that hard number out there. 1022 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,200 But I, I also like to couch that with, you know, at 15, you 1023 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,040 should really be talking to your kid about piloting, you know, 1024 00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,560 before you just give them a social media profile and say, 1025 00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,760 here you go, you're 16. They really need to understand 1026 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,760 everything from predatory algorithms to how how the beauty 1027 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,560 standards for women, how the sexual exploitation works, 1028 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,600 extortion is they should know and be very literate in all of 1029 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,720 these things in dangers before they're exposed to those 1030 00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:02,520 environment. So sometimes that education 1031 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,960 starts earlier and everybody knows their child best. 1032 00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,440 So sometimes because their child is exposed to other girls on the 1033 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,640 bus who might be on those platforms, they need that 1034 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:16,000 education sooner, But definitely not, you know, a child that is 1035 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,800 prepubescent or going through puberty. 1036 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,640 The absolute worst idea is to give them access to pornography 1037 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,920 and sexual exploitive content. It just opens up a whole host of 1038 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,000 problems and you can't put that genie back in the bottle. 1039 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,600 And, and every parent that I've worked with or family that has 1040 00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,280 lost a child due to six tortion or, you know, child sexual abuse 1041 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,600 or or you know, any of the OR suicide. 1042 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,040 Will Will. Loudly tell parents that please 1043 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,320 listen, please watch these tech hearings about what the cost is 1044 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,240 actually because. Access that if there's somebody 1045 00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:51,440 sitting at home, they might be like this is the first time I've 1046 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,920 ever heard piloting. This is the first time I've ever 1047 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,600 heard some of the terms that you're using right is is there 1048 00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:01,280 can they access that online? Yes, your organization, some of 1049 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:02,840 that. Freedom Forever and we also 1050 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,520 amplify other organizations or other independent content 1051 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,640 creators that have really great helpful content. 1052 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,200 That is our goal is with our online platforms is to help 1053 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,880 people with education. Wonderful. 1054 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,240 Thank you so much. Absolutely so important. 1055 00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:17,720 Well, I know that you got something out of this and I I 1056 00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:22,000 hope that you hear that you have permission to be courageous. 1057 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,520 You have permission to start having conversations. 1058 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,280 Maybe you don't start with the overly charged one about what's 1059 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,880 happening at your school, but asking your kids, your children, 1060 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,080 they don't want to keep secrets from you. 1061 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,920 They actually feel sick. They feel conflicted and you 1062 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,840 want to open up conversations. And I know that's hard. 1063 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,640 I know John and I had to say, we promise we won't ask for phone 1064 00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,680 numbers. We promise we won't ask for 1065 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,920 addresses or names, but we want to be here for you. 1066 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,600 And you can do the same thing starting now. 1067 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,960 And we're going to we're going to put all of the contact 1068 00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:01,080 information for resources that you can get from Robbie and 1069 00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,560 Landon Linden. You're also a beautiful 1070 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,360 songwriter. And so we want to empower you. 1071 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,160 You're thinking, I don't live in Tennessee. 1072 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,320 I live in crazy world. Listen, it always begins 1073 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,680 somewhere. And we want to give you tools so 1074 00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:20,560 you can start being courageous. And you need to understand that 1075 00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:24,200 the most powerful form of government is still the family. 1076 00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:29,760 Don't abdicate the power you have as a mother, as a father, 1077 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,760 as big sister. You have the power and I hope 1078 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,400 this is speaking to you and you know that you can acknowledge 1079 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,760 God in all of your ways and He will direct your path.