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We consume so much and yet we do
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And when you consume so much and
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spiritually overweight. 
You have so much that is on you 

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that has never reached in you. 
We don't gain authority by 

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listening to YouTube's. 
We gained authority by John 

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would go out and preach and 
everything in my world would 

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fall apart. 
And I remember saying to John, 

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you are not praying enough. 
And he said, well, if I am 

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walking in obedience, then it's 
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your God-given authority when I 
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How did you swallow that? 
And I didn't like it, but I'm 

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watching people go to other 
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getting in the word. 
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the Spirit, you need to 
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chapter 28, Jesus told his 
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heaven and on earth have been 
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you. 
So where is all this authority? 

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Because I see so little of the 
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our earth. 
And today we are going to be 

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talking about the challenges of 
authority, having authority in 

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the spirit, why you don't have 
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recover your authority in the 
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And today I'm joined by my 
daughter-in-law, Christian, who 

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we always love to have these 
multi general rational 

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conversations about authority. 
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think the first thing I want to 
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because I think we've seen so 
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people immediately when you say 
authority, they, they kind of, 

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they have a cringe factor. 
But authority, all authority 

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actually comes from God. 
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First of all, we're talking 
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Authority is for provision, 
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Parents have authority over 
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things. 
Leaders have authority over 

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those they lead for those 
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But when authority is misused, 
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turns into its darker form, 
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manipulation, domination, toxic 
authority, whatever, different 

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things like that. 
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many people pull back when they 
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comes to the issue of authority.
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open up with Matthew 25, because
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ours, granted in different 
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But you know, you hear in the 
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dominion over the earth, so 
there's no authority and we just

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have to cross our fingers and 
hope the devil doesn't tempt us.

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But you're suggesting anyone 
watching this has authority that

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we need to to tap into? 
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Here's the thing. 
And I and it's, it was mentioned

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almost 90 times, depending on 
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87 times. 
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in the New Testament. 
I'm not even going into the Old 

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Testament in the New Testament 
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Satan confronted him, he said, 
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been given to me so I can give 
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Just bow down and worship me. 
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here's the thing. 
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He took back everything that 
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And now he is saying to his 
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heaven and earth have been given
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But what I've learned about 
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it, if you don't understand what
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authority. 
You know we need a 30, right? 

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Yes, I mean, you have you have 
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have a three-year old. 
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you don't take your authority 
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they'll take it from you and 
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I mean, they will just run rogue
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They like and laughing 
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She looks back like, do you see 
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Well, and I, you know, I, I'm 
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knowing that we're going to have
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I started to think when this 
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I remember John was traveling 
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out and preach and everything in
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I remember he left on one trip 
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the air conditioner blew up. 
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places you're like, oh, no big 
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Air conditioner blows up and I'm
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Children split open their chins,
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John leaves, everything falls 

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apart. 
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you are not praying enough. 
If you are praying more for your

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family, then none of this would 
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And John in true John Bevier 
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God? 
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that question. 
I was like, yes, I hate this 

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question. 
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walking in obedience, then it's 
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your God-given authority when I 
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How did you swallow that? 
I didn't like it, but I also 

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didn't like what I was living 
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I just remember even there was a
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scared at night, I would feel 
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husband's out there ministering.
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having a spiritual battle at 
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children getting hurt, feeling 
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covers over my head and just 
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And and then one day I just snap
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going to cower. 
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would have authority, then I 
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And I was under my husband's 
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He was being obedient to God. 
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you are in Christ, if you do not
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God's Word, if you do not 
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Spirit, then the enemy just has 
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Something we've been saying at 
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travel as much as John did, and 
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is faithful and what God's 
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And something we've been saying 
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but how I set the tone of the 
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It's this aroma. 
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can say, yeah, I want to have 
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I want to walk in that because 
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difference. 
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I wasn't upholding what what 
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house that serves God. 
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serving God. 
I was just allowing the enemy to

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minimize and to shut down 
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actually wanted to grow in and 
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I lived in, you know, constant 
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discipline. 
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recovery of like, listen, I am 
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I am not going to complain. 
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honest with you? 
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complaining as a young mother. 
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lose authority in the spirit, 
you lose authority in your 

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relationship. 
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leader with complaining. 
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complained, the less grace I had
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more I compromised my own 
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authority in the spirit, my own 
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solutions in the middle of 
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And, and I feel like so many 
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for somebody else to be 
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have this for you. 
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interesting dynamite. 
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I mean, he's fed the multitudes 
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they have, they have a challenge
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he's like, you give them 
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And I'm like, wait a minute. 
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already modeled this for you. 
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And then again, we see this 
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mountain and there's a a young 
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Are we, I'm assuming as a 
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demon obsessed, throwing himself
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them to the disciples. 
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figure out how to how to cast 
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And then we know that Jesus 
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And then he says something not 
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but some people might think, but
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like you wicked perverse 
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to be with you? 
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out with prayer and fasting. 
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said, I've been up there praying
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So I have an authority level 
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tapped into yet. 
And so there is authority that 

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happens when there is 
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And too many people, they want 
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they're not willing to lay down 
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And so, of course, Jesus is able
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And it's like, why? 
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And that's when he tells them, 
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in the spirit, you need to 
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in the flesh. 
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outlined here a couple of ways 
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compromising their authority in 
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even unknowingly in the first 
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I love that you outlined that we
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we should be confronting. 
You know, one of the things that

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So that could be so. 

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We confront that because I feel 
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this. 
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what we should confront. 
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with confronting other people 
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And so for me, like when I feel 
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an area that you have tolerated,
that you've made excuses for, 

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that you've just walked in. 
It's a pattern. 

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And I want to interrupt. 
I want to confront that area of 

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your life because Lisa, it is 
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the spirit and, and #1 
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When, when God is actually 
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people, over and over again, we 
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He confronts his people because 
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He confronts them and he says, 
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You guys have enemies coming out
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You are losing in battle. 
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There's idolatry, there's greed,
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And God always says, I'm calling
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And so I feel like that's a huge
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place we start with, hey, I want
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is say what am I tolerating in 
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Maybe it's I go more towards 
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community, then I go towards 
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worship Bible, go to reading 
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Yes yeah. 
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just as of late, and here's the 
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to say as of late, but this, 
this will apply just as tangibly

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6 months from now as it does 
right now is I'm watching people

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go to other people to get words 
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And, and here's the truth, like 
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But if you do not have a 
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cannot rightly divide and you 
can't discern whether is this 

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Lord speaking or. 
And then people get really mad 

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when they feel betrayed by 
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I was vulnerable. 
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Like here's the thing, people 
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He is the living Word. 
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spiritual authority by following
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If you are under teaching that 
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But if it is more man driven, 
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presence of people, not in the 
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things I'm tolerating. 
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I mean, do you have an example 
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that you feel like that you 
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I've been tolerating this and 
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confront it. 
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Well, I think you've been 
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you've talked a lot on spiritual
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people have have garnered things
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Is this lack of authority? 
Is this because I'm sitting and 

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allowing things? 
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experiencing in this season, you
know, writing the books that are

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coming out. 
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Got a lot, but I resonate so 
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complain. 
It's easier to be, you know, fed

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up with like God, can you not 
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Can you not give me grace? 
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you're a mother at home or 
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days it can think, well, I'm 
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Why is it not easier or why 
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comfortable route? 
But I love what you said of, you

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know, if we want authority, we 
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I was hit so strongly going up 
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I was like, this is something I 
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Like, Lord, do you want me to 
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Do you want me to fast? 
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And I felt so much clarity in my
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just what he led me to do. 
And you know, I'll keep that an 

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intimate thing, But I'm just so 
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times, as you're saying, when we
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comfortable to do or what can 
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Like, what is someone else like?
Can I live off the praises of 

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other people? 
Can I live off doing the good 

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thing? 
Or am I going to consecrate this

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time? 
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that, especially when I was 
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energy or I feel like, you know,
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whatever it may be are 
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And I hope that's just 
encouragement for anyone 

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listening of you know, I love 
that the that Jesus always got 

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the strongest were the people 
that were of faith and they did 

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have understanding. 
So if you feel like God's 

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challenging you, it's not 
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person he doesn't want to be 
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It's because he's saying, I want
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You do have a knowing of me. 
Let's keep that the the thing. 

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I mean, God rebukes or 
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say it's a better word, 
disciplines, the children that 

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he loves. 
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It's actually that we can have 
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You know, I, I, I have such a 
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wants to do something in 
somebody's life, the enemy wants

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to shut it down. 
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oppression or a depression or a 
questioning of who do you think 

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you are? 
He'll go after your identity. 

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know what you have in the 
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And so he will constantly go for
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Too many think depression is 
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Too many think being negative is
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That's just who I am. 
That's just what I have. 

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That's who my parents were. 
And, you know, I love that we've

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had conversations with Doctor 
Lee Warren. 

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Yeah, maybe that is all true. 
Maybe you come from psycho 

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family like I did, But you can 
actually be a gatekeeper and 

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say, no, no, that's that's what 
has been. 

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But I'm taking my spiritual 
authority that as a child of God

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going forward, I'm not 
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We are setting a new pattern. 
And I don't think a lot of 

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people understand. 
As soon as somebody says that 

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the enemy doesn't like it, he's 
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you that you're taking your 
spiritual authority. 

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He wants you to stay minimized. 
He wants you to stay down. 

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And, you know, I know a lot of 
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well, how do you know what's 
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And how do you know, you know 
what is just, you know, Yeah. 

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relationship with God. 
And so when we take actions in 

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the spirit, when we take action 
to say, you know what, I'm going

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to, I'm going to read the word 
of God. 

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I'm going to renew my mind. 
I'm going to say what God says, 

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not what I've said in the past. 
I'm not going to allow the enemy

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to take my words of complaining 
and murmuring. 

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I mean, you know, I used to do 
this to my boy, all the boys all

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the time, you know, the, the 
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I mean, I told them, I said, 
guys, do you understand that 

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complaining is what kept a 
generation out of the promised 

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land? 
You know, I I said complaining 

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is a constant undermining of the
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It has no gratitude in it. 
And so gratitude will actually 

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and being God, I'm so thankful 
that I have health. 

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I'm so thankful for my family. 
I'm so thankful I have a house. 

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I'm so thank instead of, you 
know, comparison or instead of 

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you know what you don't see, 
Being thankful for what you do 

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have will actually increase your
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And so we can't tolerate 
complaining if we want to have 

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authority in the spirit. 
Can you share? 

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And we see in the Bible it says 
that we can bring our anxieties 

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to him. 
We can lay those feet. 

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What's the the fine line there 
of being honest of God? 

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This is a hard season. 
I need you to bring me out of 

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it. 
I cannot do this versus 

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complaining. 
Like how do we know which one 

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we're leaning into? 
Well, I think David models that 

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so well. 
I mean, he's like, hey, why are 

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they increase that trouble me. 
Many of them breathe. 

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I mean, he's like, take them 
out. 

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Yeah, he's like, no, but he's 
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me saying there is no hope in 
him for him. 

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And God, I mean, he's got all of
this. 

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Like this is how I see things. 
This is how I feel. 

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This is what's going on. 
And then he always flips it and 

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he says this is what's going on.
But thou Lord our shield for me,

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a glory and a lifter of my head.
So you can, you can be honest 

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about your circumstance. 
You can be honest about your 

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challenges, but the kind of 
complaining I'm talking about is

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an undermining of the goodness 
and character of God. 

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I think for me, I I can look 
back on my journals and there 

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were so many times I was like 
God if like I'm drowning, I feel

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like I am drowning. 
I feel like I take 2 steps 

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forward and 18 back. 
God, I feel like my heart is a 

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brood of Vipers. 
I'm never just like I mean I was

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just like I would write it all 
out and I would empty confess. 

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This is how I feel. 
But you and your word is a 

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light. 
Unto my path you are my guide, 

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you are my strength so I can I 
can empty my soul out before God

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and complaining looks like 
you're not doing it fast enough.

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I was good and you're not doing 
this for me or I I expected this

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but that's complaining. 
The other is just humanity. 

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I mean we live in some crazy 
times. 

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I mean, I know for me and my 
heart I have found myself having

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to really comfort myself. 
Like Lord, do you see all this 

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wickedness? 
Why are you silent? 

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Why are you not doing something?
And then I have to say, but you 

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know it all, God, you see it all
and you are the God Almighty and

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you are the just judge. 
And so you have to start with 

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accuracy or what you're what 
you're wrestling with. 

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But then you you go back to him 
being the refuge and your source

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of justice and strength. 
You don't take things in your 

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own hand. 
And you know I do that. 

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You. 
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 

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Go. 
No. 

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I love that you share that. 
It's actually we need to go to 

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God and express that because 
I've been doing research on even

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health problems that are 
arising, which is so prominent 

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right now. 
It feels like spiritual warfare 

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in itself. 
They're saying one of the causes

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of autoimmune diseases is 
suppressed emotion. 

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So I think if we're not, you 
know, coming to God and 

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releasing that, storing it for 
our own control and it's, you 

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know, causing damage in our 
relationships, in our faith, 

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even in our health. 
So I love that you expressed 

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that. 
And before we step to the next 

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way that we could be losing 
authority, we have a reflection 

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question. 
If you're like, I don't know, 

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maybe I need to tackle some 
things. 

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Ask yourself, what have I made 
peace with that the Holy Spirit 

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keeps bringing back to my 
attention. 

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That's such a great point to 
know. 

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Are we venting or are we 
actually releasing? 

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Are we being vulnerable and open
or are we complaining? 

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And a reflection question for 
this topic and idea is am I 

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speaking to release God's truth 
or to release my frustration? 

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And you know, going going off of
something that you said, I 

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remember coming to my husband 
and I would complain to my 

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husband and John would say you 
need to take these things to 

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God. 
And I'd be like, I don't want to

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take them to God. 
I want to take them to you. 

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My husband, honey. 
Be like, wait, you know, has you

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will lose spiritual authority if
you go to the wrong source for 

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the right thing. 
And we have to know where our 

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source is and our husband is 
amazing as they are. 

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They are not our source in 
everything. 

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They're not. 
And that's wrong to put anybody 

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into that kind of place or to or
to give anybody that much 

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authority over your life, You 
know, and, and there is 

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something and I, I want to say 
this to every believer out 

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there. 
There is something in your life 

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that fear wants to shut down and
don't let it. 

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And it's it's on you. 
It's it's on you. 

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It's not it's not on anybody 
else. 

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I love don't tolerate it. 
Don't tolerate it. 

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I remember, I remember this 
older man and I feel like I've 

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said it, but I, it's worth 
repeating, said to John and I, 

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if you do not take your 
authority in the spirit, you're 

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going to watch others take it 
from you and use it against you.

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And I do believe it's a 
spiritual principle. 

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It's also a leadership 
principle. 

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And and again, authority is for 
the benefit of others, not the 

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benefit of yourself. 
So what is the second way that 

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we could be undermining our 
spiritual authority? 

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Lisa yeah, I, I, I feel like 
right now in our social media 

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world, this is something we fall
prey to really easy. 

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It is borrowing conviction 
instead of cultivating intimacy.

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And there's so many people, 
they're following other people 

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and Oh yeah, you know, or 
reposting or looking at other 

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things at. 
And they read what other people 

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maybe have had a deep connection
with God about, but they have 

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actually never experienced it. 
You know, I I know. 

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OK, first of all, you know, I 
was talking to somebody just 

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yesterday and I was telling them
about how you, you gave Arden a 

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Bible that you had written your 
journey of actually really 

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surrendering and prayer to God 
and longing God. 

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This is, this is I'm scribing in
your Holy Word my hopes for the 

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future. 
And you gave it to you, gave it 

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to him. 
So what happens is in those 

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times of feeling alone, in those
times of seeing other people get

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what you'd hope for, in those 
times of hardship, you develop 

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authority. 
And the truth is I could listen 

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to somebody else's message and 
preach it, but it would never 

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have the same authority in the 
Spirit because I can't borrow 

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authority from other people. 
I mean, think about I always am 

448
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,680
like feeling bad for the guys 
are like, Hey, hey, you know, we

449
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:17,360
cast you out in the name of the 
Jesus that Paul's preaching or, 

450
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,840
you know, and the demons are 
like, Hey, I know Paul, but I 

451
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,240
don't know you. 
And, and the, the truth is we 

452
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:32,760
have to know, not know about no.
And authority comes by lessons 

453
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,520
learned. 
I mean it, it's, it's so clear 

454
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,480
and I, I wish we could just read
a book and have authority. 

455
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,400
Now, I do think we can read 
books and get principles, but 

456
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,200
then usually on the other side 
of that principle is a battle, 

457
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,760
you know, so you have to, you 
have to recover, you have to 

458
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,040
fight. 
So you want the word that's been

459
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,600
made flesh in your life, the 
promises that you have already 

460
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,720
tried and found to be true. 
It's not a matter of reposting, 

461
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,720
it's a repositioning to a place 
of intimacy with God. 

462
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,400
So he has spoken something to 
you. 

463
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,560
He's written on your heart. 
No one can take it from you. 

464
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:13,400
But too many people go the easy 
route and they just parrot what 

465
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,200
they've already heard other 
people say. 

466
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:20,120
And then when the enemy comes, 
it doesn't have a root because 

467
00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:24,240
it's not grounded on the rock of
Jesus, it's shallow soil. 

468
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,680
And when the persecution comes, 
it Withers and they lose 

469
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,520
authority, like they're not 
going to produce fruit in that 

470
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,640
area. 
It's that Angel quote that 

471
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,120
people say you can't have a 
testimony without having a test.

472
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,640
Lisa, this is so good. 
This idea of you cannot live off

473
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,080
someone else's oil. 
You really need to cultivate 

474
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,080
your own. 
So a reflection question for 

475
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,040
anyone wondering, is this me? 
Do I need to resonate in this 

476
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,480
area would be if my Bible closed
and my favorite speakers went 

477
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:55,000
silent on Instagram or wherever,
would my faith still stand? 

478
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,120
But I love that you mentioned 
that Jesus went into the 

479
00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:00,400
wilderness at the beginning of 
this because when I read it just

480
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,520
the other day it said and I 
noticed this part. 

481
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,760
I sure it's always said that, 
but I just chose for the first 

482
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,040
time. 
Scott will highlight different 

483
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,280
areas, yeah. 
Right, it said that he was led 

484
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,920
by the Spirit into the 
wilderness and when he come out,

485
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,080
he was full of the Spirit's 
power. 

486
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,600
And so I think that's even what 
you're saying of these are good 

487
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,240
things to be soaking up words, 
to be learning from people's 

488
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,920
wisdoms and principles. 
But you have to soak it up. 

489
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,720
You have to be filled up 
yourself. 

490
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,280
It's not enough to sense the 
power like I love the woman that

491
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,000
had the issue of the blood, how 
she said it's not enough for me 

492
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,520
to be near Jesus, like I I need 
to touch him. 

493
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:37,160
I need to go that extra arms 
wreath to to be in his presence,

494
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,160
to touch him, to be full of, you
know, this amazing thing that 

495
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,720
I'm aware of. 
And so what's the what's the 

496
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,480
guideline of knowing? 
I'm not just consuming wisdom on

497
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:46,880
social media. 
I'm not just following my 

498
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,080
favorite preachers, but I am 
receiving like, what are the 

499
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,640
things that people need to do to
make sure they're not parroting,

500
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,080
but they're. 
Receiving Well, I do think I do 

501
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,560
think again thank God we have 
access to preaching thank God we

502
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,320
have access to Bibles. 
Thank God we can go to a church 

503
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,440
community, but I think you're 
missing the authority of a 

504
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:09,160
lesson. 
If you sit and and just spectate

505
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,120
and do not say God. 
How does that work its way out 

506
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:19,280
in my life Like what what how do
I take what I have heard and 

507
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:24,040
make that part of my daily bread
my actions and too many people 

508
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,600
like and especially here here's 
here in the United States. 

509
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,600
We have so much, we consume so 
much and yet we do so little. 

510
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,120
And when you consume so much and
do so little, you get 

511
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,560
spiritually overweight. 
And when you're spiritually 

512
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:42,240
overweight, you have you don't 
have strength to carry because 

513
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:48,040
you're you have so much that is 
on you, like information wise 

514
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,840
that has never reached in you. 
And so like there's certain 

515
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,120
areas in my life where I know I 
have authority. 

516
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,600
You know, I I know I have 
authority in these areas because

517
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,000
I've seen God's faithfulness in 
my life in those areas, whether 

518
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,920
it's through prayer, whether 
it's through obedience, whether 

519
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,280
it's through that the study of 
the word until the word actually

520
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,920
really read me and reset some 
stuff. 

521
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,520
And you know, there's certain 
areas where I like, I don't, I 

522
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,360
don't, I would not be a help to 
anybody. 

523
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,760
And you know, like, whether 
it's, you know, end time 

524
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,480
eschatology or something, it's 
not it's not going to be my 

525
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:27,000
strength because I haven't done 
that has that is not something 

526
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,480
that I have done a deep dive in 
or really lived out. 

527
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,960
But if you want to talk to me 
about what it means to free 

528
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,520
yourself from the chains on your
neck or captive daughter of 

529
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:41,360
Zion, that was something that I 
walked through for nine months 

530
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,320
just in prayer on Isaiah 52, 
verse one and two, until what I 

531
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,800
saw in the Spirit, what I read 
in the Scripture became a 

532
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,800
reality in my life. 
And it was painful because it's 

533
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,040
easier. 
It's easier to expect somebody 

534
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:00,440
else to be something for you 
that Jesus died for you to 

535
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,720
actually have. 
And I mean, again, we going back

536
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,840
to what we said at the 
beginning, if all authority and 

537
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,600
heaven and earth have been given
to, why does Satan have so much 

538
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,560
authority? 
Well, part of that's because we 

539
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,080
live in that in between between 
the now and not yet. 

540
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,520
We live in the in between of 
Jesus, his resurrection and his 

541
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,920
return. 
And we are gaining authority, 

542
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,800
but we don't gain authority by 
listening to YouTube's. 

543
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:30,400
We gained authority by hearing 
and then doing, you know, not a 

544
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,480
here only because when you're 
just a here, it says you walk 

545
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,200
away and you forget. 
And too many people forget 

546
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,160
they've been cleansed of their 
sins, forget they have authority

547
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,120
in Christ. 
They're looking for somebody 

548
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,800
else to be something that Jesus 
already provided for them. 

549
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,000
So good. 
I mean, it's the beatitudes 

550
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,000
blessed are those that hunger 
blessed of those that lack. 

551
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,840
And I think you're hitting it 
right on the mark for for where 

552
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,760
we're at in this point in time 
in this country. 

553
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,320
And just that awareness. 
I think it's so easy, especially

554
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,800
even spiritually, like I've 
received a little bit of guy 

555
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,720
like thank you. 
That's it like keeping that 

556
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,160
hunger. 
We've seen the Iranian church 

557
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,040
and some of the Middle East of 
how it's exploding. 

558
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,360
Like I think I saw something 
today. 

559
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,320
It's a million plus have come to
Jesus recently. 

560
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,360
So what would you say about, I 
don't know, not this mindset. 

561
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,280
I think it's really also easy to
think, Oh, we're here in 

562
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,960
America, what can we do? 
Or to feel so guilt ridden. 

563
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,000
How do we feel inspired by 
people that are hungry and well,

564
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,520
people that are receiving to the
place of what I want authority 

565
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,920
for, for salvation like that in 
America. 

566
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,200
Like how do we, how do we tap 
into that to rate, make a real 

567
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,800
difference in our lives and like
you said, using our authority 

568
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,360
for others and for real genuine 
relationship and change? 

569
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,880
I mean, first of all, Scripture 
gives us an outline to be a 

570
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,560
voice for those who have no 
voice, speak up for those who 

571
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,120
have no voice. 
It also talks about prayer. 

572
00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:00,000
I mean, and I mean, like, it is 
very interesting in a country 

573
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,880
where we have so much 
opportunity to repost or just 

574
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,840
talk on social media or say, 
gosh, it's so sad what's 

575
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:13,040
happening. 
We forget that God is saying to 

576
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:20,320
to you and me, I have given you 
access to my throne room and 

577
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,440
instead of going to my throne 
room to ask for mercy and grace 

578
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,480
for believers, mercy and grace 
for your nation because our 

579
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,000
nation needs it. 
You're actually going to social 

580
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,640
media or you're listening to 
things and allowing it to 

581
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,720
overwhelm you instead of 
understanding. 

582
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,120
He wants, God wants to give us 
like a push to say, do you see 

583
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:47,440
the urgency of your day and your
time cry out for those nations. 

584
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,720
Like we can go to scripture and 
we can find enough scriptural 

585
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,640
president to cry out for the 
nations that God says, I wish 

586
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,800
that none would perish and that 
all would come into the saving 

587
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,000
knowledge of Jesus Christ. 
And we know that God loves the 

588
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,080
people of Iran. 
And, and you know, right now, I,

589
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,960
you know, by the time, I hope by
the time this podcast launches, 

590
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,040
there's peace in Iran. 
But right now there's so much 

591
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,680
turmoil. 
And I believe that even in the 

592
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,520
midst, we can either make a 
choice to see the devastation 

593
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,840
and allow the devastation to 
overwhelm us, or to see the 

594
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,640
opportunity in the Spirit where 
darkness is so evident, the 

595
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,000
light shines brighter that we 
can actually pray bold, 

596
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,240
unhindered prayers. 
And even going back to the 

597
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,840
fasting, like, you know what? 
What if instead of watching a 

598
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:45,440
show, we took that time and 
prayed for the people in Iran or

599
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,120
prayed for revival in our 
nation? 

600
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:52,480
So, yeah, conviction should come
from our own time with God. 

601
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,520
Conviction should come from the 
word of God. 

602
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,600
And then it's not just 
conviction. 

603
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,600
Conviction should come with 
action. 

604
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,520
And you know, John was telling 
me, and I can't remember exactly

605
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,240
what the Hebrew words are, but 
you don't just believe. 

606
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:13,320
Believe and obey is synonymous. 
And so a lot of Americans have 

607
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,159
no spiritual authority because 
they mentally assent, but they 

608
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:21,840
do not obey with her actions. 
That's so good. 

609
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,679
And I think it's believe and 
obey. 

610
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,480
I mean, I think we struggled to 
believe sometimes. 

611
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,199
Like it's one thing to say, 
yeah, God can do that. 

612
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:33,239
But I think there's a deeper 
level of God's nature, like you 

613
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,480
were saying, going back to his 
nature, not just the answer, but

614
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,080
his nature. 
Something. 

615
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,320
We've been having these women's 
gatherings and I've been so 

616
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,880
filled up by them because we are
doing that. 

617
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,560
We're gathering, we're praying, 
we're having those courageous 

618
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,400
conversations, we're communing 
together. 

619
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,080
Something that someone said at 
one of them recently is we need 

620
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,320
to be, we need to have offensive
prayers, not defensive prayers. 

621
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,440
Like we need to have authority 
that goes out like you're 

622
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,320
saying, preemptive and we're not
just waiting for the attack to 

623
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,840
happen, especially if someone's 
watching your. 

624
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,680
Reaction. 
Oh, I am in the spiritual 

625
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,800
warfare. 
We need to get offensive with 

626
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,880
our prayers and that's offensive
to the enemy is to take that 

627
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,000
that that territory. 
So. 

628
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,960
Well, and, and you know, going 
back to my earlier thing about 

629
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,600
when, when John was like, if I'm
in obedience, then there's 

630
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,840
provision because there's 
provision and obedience. 

631
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,600
So Lisa, you're not staying in 
your authority. 

632
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,960
I remember I just was mad at 
him, and then I got mad at the 

633
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,840
oppression and I went through my
entire house. 

634
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,520
First generation Christian, I 
don't know anything, but I had 

635
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,000
heard that you could anoint your
doors with oil and I did not 

636
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,840
know what doors to anoint. 
So I anointed every single door 

637
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,440
in my house and like open the 
front door and I was like all 

638
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,640
oppressive spirits, all demon, 
anything that is not of the Holy

639
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,880
Spirit, I command it to go in 
Jesus name. 

640
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,080
And I remember I was like out, 
out, out. 

641
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,080
And my boys were like, wait, us,
do we run out? 

642
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,360
Like what are we saying? 
I mean my boys, I'm sure they 

643
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:03,480
were like our mom has lost it. 
But the atmosphere shifted and 

644
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,680
then I started to change the 
atmosphere from just like, I'm 

645
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,000
not just going to leave a void 
where I've just yelled out, out,

646
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,480
out. 
I'm going to invite the presence

647
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,120
of God. 
So worship music, no 

648
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:20,400
complaining, thanking God. 
Every time I found myself in a 

649
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,800
battle, I would turn that battle
to a posture of prayer. 

650
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,240
You know, Addison makes fun of 
me. 

651
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:26,840
He's like, yeah, we saw you all 
the time. 

652
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,000
He he said I had a prayer shot. 
I'm pretty sure I didn't. 

653
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,840
But anyway, I mean, that 
wouldn't be wrong, wouldn't be 

654
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,480
wrong, but but I mean, I think I
just would hit my knees and hit 

655
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,000
my face. 
And there were times that my 

656
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,040
prayer was just like God give me
patience with my children. 

657
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,240
And other times I would sense 
something going on Christian and

658
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:50,320
I'd be like, God, I do not know 
what what is going on, but I 

659
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,280
know that I am not wrestling 
with flesh and blood. 

660
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,240
So God, I'm going to humble 
myself before you. 

661
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,880
I'm going to resist the devil, 
and he will flee. 

662
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,840
Yeah. 
And, and I think too many 

663
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:04,200
people, they fight it in 
arrogance rather than in 

664
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,520
humility. 
Well, OK, so we need to and. 

665
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,640
That would be that speaking from
emotion rather than alignment. 

666
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,120
Right. 
Well, to recap, we've given a 

667
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,520
few ways of how we can be 
missing authority without even 

668
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,360
realizing it. 
Point number one is tolerating 

669
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,160
what God is asking you to 
confront. 

670
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,960
Point #2 is borrowing conviction
instead of cultivating intimacy.

671
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:29,440
Is there any takeaways that you 
would want to leave us with 

672
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,840
because we know that we need 
that authority. 

673
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,120
Yeah, well, and I love that you,
you highlighted emotion rather 

674
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,440
than alignment. 
You know, it's interesting. 

675
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,080
Anger, anger is not 
constructive. 

676
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:46,920
It says the wrath of man never 
works the righteous purposes of 

677
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,360
God. 
So wrath is different than 

678
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:50,800
anger. 
We've got anger, rage, wrath. 

679
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:55,600
Those are the three stages. 
Anger is momentarily upset. 

680
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,040
So anger is like a heightened 
awareness, like something is not

681
00:37:59,040 --> 00:37:59,920
right. 
OK. 

682
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,480
Rage is when now you're like 
looking for a target. 

683
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,400
And then wrath is when you are 
destructive with your anger. 

684
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,960
Rage is all of a sudden there's 
a weapon on the table. 

685
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,880
Like there's a weapon, there's 
something that can hurt people. 

686
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:19,200
And then wrath would be taking 
that weapon and injuring someone

687
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,920
with it. 
So we don't want to do that. 

688
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,680
We want to stay in anger. 
The Bible says in your anger do 

689
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,760
not sin. 
So you can be angry and sin not.

690
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,840
So God gives us permission to be
angry. 

691
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,520
He does not give us permission 
to be destructive. 

692
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,360
He gives us permission to be 
constructive. 

693
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,520
And I think sometimes people 
think authority is yelling more 

694
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:44,640
authority is attacking others. 
Authority is, you know, saying 

695
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,800
I'm right in this, you know, 
owning your rights. 

696
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,440
No authority is actually 
understanding something is not 

697
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,320
right. 
How do I take this from a place 

698
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,960
of destruction to construction? 
How do I take this to a place 

699
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:06,200
where I'm not being emotionally 
manipulated or take an emotional

700
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,920
hostage or trying to emotionally
manipulate other people and 

701
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,280
actually go to the solution? 
And I know you guys, you've 

702
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,920
heard me talk about this. 
When you're talking about 

703
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:18,920
authority in the spirit, when 
somebody is escalating, you de 

704
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,160
escalate. 
The people with authority are 

705
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,400
the ones that de escalate, not 
the ones that escalate. 

706
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,440
And so many times we see a 
couple that has a problem and 

707
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,760
they push this problem to each 
side of the table. 

708
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:33,760
It's your fault. 
No, it's your fault. 

709
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:34,680
It's your fault, it's your 
fault. 

710
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:39,280
Again, authority says, I'm not 
looking for a fault, I'm looking

711
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,120
for a solution. 
And a married couple sees 

712
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,480
themselves on the same side of 
the table and the problem on the

713
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,640
other side. 
And so again, when we find that 

714
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,680
we're in some kind of compromise
where we're like a, why am I, 

715
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,960
why does this keep happening? 
What's going on? 

716
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,680
We have to be on the same side 
of the table as God and we need 

717
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,560
to see that problem on the other
side. 

718
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,960
And we need to say, what does 
your word say? 

719
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,880
What? 
Do you want me to do? 

720
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,160
There have been so many times 
where I've actually taken 

721
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,760
authority by going low, by going
low. 

722
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,320
Like I remember there was this 
conflict with somebody and I was

723
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,640
like, I didn't do anything 
wrong. 

724
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,760
I didn't do anything wrong. 
You know, I was like, I didn't 

725
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,560
do anything wrong. 
And she wrote me a letter this 

726
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,680
long, long time ago. 
She wrote me a letter and she 

727
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,720
said all this stuff and I wanted
to write back, you know, point 

728
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:30,320
by point, but but that's not 
right. 

729
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,280
And you did this and I didn't do
this. 

730
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,400
And but at the end of the 
letter, she said, do you 

731
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,800
understand? 
And I wrote back and I, God 

732
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,520
said, you may only write back. 
I understand. 

733
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:44,920
So you can understand and not 
agree. 

734
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,800
But I need to dismantle 
something because this was a 

735
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,320
ramping of gossip. 
It was a ramping of a spiritual 

736
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,680
warfare. 
It was a ramping of all sorts of

737
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,640
things that were unhealthy. 
And the truth is, I understood. 

738
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,240
I didn't agree, but I 
understood. 

739
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:03,640
And sometimes we just have to 
listen. 

740
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,400
There's times that I've had a 
battle with my husband, you 

741
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,080
know, and I can, I can fight or 
something, or I can just say 

742
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,840
what's really going on here? 
Holy Spirit, show me and I'll 

743
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,240
just get up and hug him. 
And I don't know, you know, if 

744
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:20,760
you've tried that with Arden, 
but it actually probably works 

745
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,560
pretty good, you know, because 
I'm just like, I'm sorry. 

746
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,240
Let's, let's step back a little 
bit. 

747
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,280
And what are you doing? 
You're recovering your authority

748
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,080
to not be emotionally 
manipulated or to emotionally 

749
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,920
move and have a constructive 
conversation where you can be in

750
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,360
agreement. 
And you recover your spiritual 

751
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,160
authority. 
Because even in a marriage, the 

752
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,640
enemy knows if you can get a 
couple at strife, he will 

753
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,200
compromise their authorities, 
parents, their authority in the 

754
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,960
spirit, their authority with 
their finances, their authority 

755
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,760
to build. 
And so too many people allow the

756
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,760
enemy to bring strife in. 
And when the strife comes in, 

757
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,720
people see their their spiritual
authority compromised and. 

758
00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:04,960
Corrupted so it sounds like from
this conversation that spiritual

759
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,000
authority is understanding what 
the true threat is, but the true

760
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,440
problem is humbling yourself to 
Lord. 

761
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,960
What do I need to change or what
I need to do and being 

762
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,960
consistent with him. 
I feel like that's our. 

763
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,000
Yeah, and understanding where 
your true authority comes from. 

764
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:20,600
Yeah, Yeah, it comes from him. 
It's not from. 

765
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,320
Under authority Having 
authority. 

766
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,320
Yeah, not from knowing you got 
to do bloodlines this way and 

767
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,280
all this. 
And this is the exact prayer to 

768
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,160
pray. 
It's the Spirit in this heart. 

769
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,200
So I think that's encouraging 
for anyone watching and thinking

770
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,520
I can take authority, I can 
learn authority. 

771
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,720
Do you have any final thoughts 
on on the woman watching this? 

772
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:40,080
Just saying, where do I start? 
How do I begin to recover that? 

773
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,640
Because I feel like I've had 
none for a long time. 

774
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,280
Yeah, I think I feel like so 
many women and Christian, I was 

775
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,520
going through some of my old 
like correspondence who asked me

776
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,520
a question and so many people 
say to me, I, I feel so 

777
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,960
compromised in my authority 
because my husband is not the 

778
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:02,200
spiritual leader of my house. 
I just want you to know you have

779
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,920
authority in the spirit, not 
because your husband is taking 

780
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,760
his authority in the spirit, but
because you are a daughter of 

781
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,360
the most high God and you can 
come right into the throne room.

782
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,840
I love how God, he opens it up. 
Of course, of course he'd love 

783
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,080
your husband to be a spiritual 
leader, but he is not going to 

784
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:25,080
allow you to not have answered 
prayers or to be neglected or 

785
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,520
have children that feel like 
they don't have peace. 

786
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,880
You can actually go into the 
throne of God. 

787
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,920
And I see so many women who 
actually understood this 

788
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,960
foreshadowing of the ability to 
go into the presence of Jesus 

789
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:45,920
and find out exactly what they 
needed they could find in him. 

790
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:48,240
So you can take your spiritual 
authority. 

791
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:50,920
And if you're like, I don't even
know what my authority is, then 

792
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,440
you need to get into the Word of
God. 

793
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,360
God is amazing. 
He says all authority on earth 

794
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,120
have been given to me and I'm 
giving it to you. 

795
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,280
So you think, OK, what is that? 
Well, he says you can go into 

796
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,160
the other world to make 
disciples, and disciples are 

797
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,240
people who are disciplined in 
the word of God. 

798
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,800
But you can go through all of 
these listings of the word 

799
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,280
authority and you can find out 
he's given you authority over 

800
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,280
serpents and scorpions. 
I I wouldn't try that one out on

801
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:23,520
real serpents and scorpions, but
he's saying it over every power 

802
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,600
of the enemy. 
So every area that you see lack 

803
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:34,040
or theft in, you have the right 
to actually pray and recover 

804
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,240
your authority. 
And the Word of God gives us all

805
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:41,920
sorts of promises. 
The promises of God are yes and 

806
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,240
Amen in Christ. 
In Christ, Peter says that 

807
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:51,080
everything we need for life and 
godliness has been provided for 

808
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,840
us in Him. 
And so you've got to know who 

809
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,920
you are in Christ. 
You have the authority of Jesus 

810
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,400
name. 
He gave you his name and that 

811
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,240
name is above every other name. 
So pray in the name of Jesus, 

812
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,320
pray the word of God. 
Don't pray those reaction 

813
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,520
prayers like Christian would 
say. 

814
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,640
Don't allow the culture to form 
your prayers. 

815
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,640
Allow the scriptures to form 
your prayers. 

816
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:24,000
The word of God is A2 edged 
sword and we speak the word of 

817
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,000
God and we speak the word of 
God. 

818
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:30,240
It deals with things in the 
atmospheres in the Spirit. 

819
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:35,880
So become fluent in God's Word, 
speak the Word, do the Word, 

820
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:41,160
believe the Word, obey the Word,
and you will recover your 

821
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,000
spiritual authority. 
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822
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,440
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823
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,680
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824
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