1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,360 You're in therapy for 10 years and you're not changing. 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:05,920 It's not working. What are you letting into your 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:07,880 home? What music are you listening to? 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,520 Because you're opening a door for the enemy to speak 5 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,360 depressive songs over you. I've had pushback. 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,760 How dare you say that my anxiety and my depression can be healed 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,120 because I've tried. I've tried, and I think that's 8 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,840 the problem. They're trying rather than 9 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,440 surrendering. We need a generation that needs 10 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,000 to renew their mind rather than study their mind. 11 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,200 Fill the presence of God with crystals or with stones or my 12 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,200 astrology. It makes sense to me. 13 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,360 I want to tell you, you can't just throw a Christian name on 14 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:39,600 manifestation. That's right. 15 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,120 You cannot just throw a Christian name on yoga. 16 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,560 We've got. A generation that has not been 17 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,440 taught that so they've gone to man made solutions. 18 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,800 Welcome to the least of your podcast. 19 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,000 I am so excited about today's topic. 20 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:04,360 We are going to be talking about the Holy Spirit, the counselor, 21 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,360 the one that is our guide, the one that is our comfort, the one 22 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,400 that is leading us. And before I even dive into 23 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:16,520 that, I want to thank the people that make this podcast possible. 24 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:21,880 We are so thrilled. We just hit 250,000 subscribers. 25 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,440 Thank you for being part of this community. 26 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,320 And we are just going to dive right into this. 27 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:30,720 Alex, you have written a book, The Divine Counselor. 28 00:01:31,320 --> 00:01:34,800 You and I both know people are going to therapy, they're going 29 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,760 to counselors, they're studying themselves, and there has never 30 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,520 been a greater need for divine counsel. 31 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,240 Tell me about your experience and your hope for this book, The 32 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:52,160 Divine Counselor. Well, I I have been desiring to 33 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:53,760 write this book for a very long time. 34 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,840 It's been our message. It's been everything since I was 35 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,040 a young girl because I had such a profound experience as a 36 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,560 little girl. And you can't question when an 37 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,600 11 year old gets baptized in the Holy Spirit. 38 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,360 And can you explain that? Because there's going to be 39 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,120 people out there like what? Yeah, There was something called 40 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,560 the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Yeah, so I got saved. 41 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,840 I invited Jesus to be my savior at 11. 42 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,880 And I remember my little counselor lady, she would come 43 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,120 and she would go through the basics of Christianity every 44 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,960 Monday night at my home, which was just so beautiful. 45 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,960 And she was like discipleship. And she talked about the Holy 46 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,040 Spirit because I said, how do you hear God's voice? 47 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,640 And she said, well, you've, I already heard God's voice and it 48 00:02:33,640 --> 00:02:36,800 was through Holy Spirit because he drew you to respond to Jesus. 49 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,960 And I was like, I heard the Holy Spirit's voice. 50 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,080 And so she began to talk to me about the Holy Spirit. 51 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,480 So I was like, I want more of this. 52 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,160 And then she talked to me about being baptized in the Holy 53 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,760 Spirit because it gives you boldness and power to live 54 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,200 righteously. And so I was like, well, I want 55 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,520 that. And so I remember getting saved 56 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,480 and feeling the weight of sin lift off of my shoulder. 57 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,280 So I knew it was real because I hadn't done anything wrong per 58 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,440 SE at the I was 11. But that's how I know salvation 59 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,960 is so real because we're all separate from God. 60 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,640 So I felt the love of Jesus that week, but the week after I was 61 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:19,000 so hungry for another encounter that I went back to my parents 62 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,640 little Italian evangelical church and the pastor was not 63 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:26,240 preaching about this, but I was so hungry that I just went to 64 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,040 the altar at the end of service. He didn't know what to do with 65 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,320 me, but I just raised my hands and I said I want to be filled 66 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,760 with the Holy Spirit. And I kid you not, I remember it 67 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,600 like it was yesterday. I felt an immersive experience. 68 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,760 I felt like I was being washed over with this heat and I began 69 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,560 to cry and my prayer language unlock. 70 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,240 No one laid hands on me, no. Did you even know there was such 71 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,840 a thing as a prayer language? Yes, I did because my mother 72 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,320 used to pray and I thought it was gibberish at that. 73 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,360 You know, when I was a young kid, my brother and I would make 74 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,600 fun of my mom, be like when she prays, she says like and we 75 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,480 would make up these words. But I always knew she was 76 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,080 praying to God, but I didn't really understand it in its full 77 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,880 capacity. And so when I got baptized, I 78 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:15,240 can't explain it, but again, that feeling of being immersed, 79 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,040 the feeling of being empowered, I went back to school that week. 80 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,680 I went to a Catholic private school. 81 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,320 And the power and the boldness that I felt to share my faith 82 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,920 was different to my salvation experience. 83 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,240 And I remember the teachers and people around me going, what is 84 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,720 it about you? I remember getting banned from 85 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,360 confession because I had the boldness to tell father Liberacy 86 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,160 banned. Banned I got. 87 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,240 Banned. That was the third because. 88 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,560 I said, Father liberacy, I don't need to mediate my sin with you 89 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,040 because I've already, you know, being forgiven. 90 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:51,080 Christ is my mediator. And so he was like, parents got 91 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,800 called in. But the crazy part is I had this 92 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,160 beautiful nun as a teacher. And when she was talking to my 93 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:01,360 mom, she says, I can't help but see a radiant brilliance over 94 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:02,800 Alex. And I can't explain it. 95 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,960 And my mom was able to share that it's the power of the Holy 96 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,760 Spirit. Ever since that day that I was 97 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,880 baptized, it wasn't just about speaking in tongues. 98 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,840 It was I was given a supernatural authority and 99 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:18,720 power. I was moving in the gifts of the 100 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,360 Spirit at a young age. I was prophesying over people. 101 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,720 I was having words of knowledge because then I began to learn 102 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,280 about it at church. And I believe that this power 103 00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:32,200 that's been neglected in the church is such an important tool 104 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,920 for us to overcome life's issues. 105 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,040 It helps us overcome the the the things that we're facing, 106 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,680 especially now. Why I felt I had to write it now 107 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,920 is because we are inundated with mental health issues and 108 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,720 brokenness. And the answer is found in the 109 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,000 person of the Holy Spirit. 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OK. 124 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:43,800 So Alex, you mentioned that often there is just not room for 125 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,840 people to experience the Holy Spirit in a church service. 126 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:50,080 They come in, they come out, they're rushing, they're getting 127 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,240 their kids. How have you been able to foster 128 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,520 that at the Boeing and Co? Yeah, well, first of all, it's 129 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,520 got to be in the minister's life. 130 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,400 Like this is a private relationship that at church 131 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,400 you'll see the overflow of. I don't think you can just get 132 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,360 up there and use the language because I've actually been in 133 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,120 meetings where they say the Holy Spirit is present and I can't 134 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:17,640 sense Him or feel because just saying it doesn't make it happen 135 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,400 again. It has to be an overflow. 136 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,640 So there is so much that goes on in the secret place between my 137 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:30,080 team, Pastor Henry and I that so that when I go into a meeting, I 138 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,080 already know where got what God wants to do in that meeting. 139 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,920 And So what we do is we leave space. 140 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,280 We leave space in the worship. You know, we say we plan for 141 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,600 everything, but we prepare for God to disrupt us. 142 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,440 And I think most ministers don't actually know what to do in 143 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,400 those quiet moments. I'm not afraid of awkward 144 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,160 moments. And so we do that in through the 145 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,320 worship. If there is a moment where I 146 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,000 sense the Holy Spirit needs to move on, healing or deliverance 147 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,920 or salvation, I'll just interject. 148 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,920 Our team know that they work with us, but often we leave 149 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,240 space at the end of a meeting for ministry at the altar. 150 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,840 And that's a lost art. It just doesn't happen in a lot 151 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,840 of places because I believe we're not just to be hearers of 152 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,600 the Word, but doers of the Word. And when you're there right in 153 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,840 that moment and you've heard a Rhema word, what I mean by that, 154 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:24,200 it is a now word that resonates in your heart, you're going to 155 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,280 forget about it. If you go home, you know, and 156 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,440 then you've got the kids and you've got lunch and you've got 157 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,800 but right there and then you're open to hear God's word. 158 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,559 So that's the time to minister. Jesus ministered there and then 159 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,679 he didn't wait next week. I didn't say go do it by 160 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,919 yourself. And so I think for us, we are so 161 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:47,040 we're so understanding of the fact that we can't we don't have 162 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,480 a good word. It is only by the power of the 163 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,880 Holy Spirit. So if you're a minister 164 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,800 listening, make room in your life so that you can come with 165 00:08:55,800 --> 00:09:00,320 an overflow to minister and have that as a primary value that 166 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,600 people want it, they desire it, and don't be afraid of it. 167 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,360 Yeah. And then you actually experience 168 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,240 that at 11. Yes, I do think that's kind of 169 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,040 unusual. Is it a junior Holy Spirit or is 170 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,080 it the full Holy Spirit? Yeah, we. 171 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,920 Say in our church we have a catch phrase because our kids 172 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,040 ministry is so full of the power of the Holy Spirit. 173 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,880 There is no junior Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit, because we're 174 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,200 all spirit beings. The Holy Spirit doesn't 175 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,800 determine our age group. Our spirit is ageless. 176 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,920 Therefore, he can speak to a child the way the child needs to 177 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,080 hear it. He can speak to a senior citizen 178 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:41,520 the same way. And so the fact that I was 11 179 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,440 and I experienced and encountered the Holy Spirit on 180 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,280 my own. My daughter was the same at 11. 181 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,960 She was just sitting on the front row being immersed by the 182 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:52,440 Spirit of God. No one praying for her. 183 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:57,040 Our children's ministry, kids are prophesying, Kids are laying 184 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,960 hands on the sick. We saw kids lay hands on a 185 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:02,840 little deaf boy in our ministry and he was healed. 186 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:08,200 And we've seen kids go home and pray over their parents with 187 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,160 great authority. So we've got it. 188 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,320 And also in the book I write about my two children and how 189 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:17,160 they got delivered, Taylor with the spirit of fear and Holly, 190 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,000 who had been exposed to Slender Man, that demonic thing that was 191 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,560 going around school that was causing people to commit suicide 192 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:26,720 and just hateful. And she came across it at a 193 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,680 friend's house, had night terrors, and we brought 194 00:10:30,680 --> 00:10:32,840 deliverance to her. And she was young. 195 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,120 And that is explained in the book. 196 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,400 And so this isn't just for adults because we're seeing a 197 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,160 lot of children right now full of anxiety and depression. 198 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,080 And you can see your children set free too. 199 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,880 Yeah, and they need the gift of discernment that the whole it 200 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,200 brings right now, because there's so much stuff slipping 201 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,280 in through Children's Games. And I'm pretty sure Sophia, my 202 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,840 granddaughter at 11, got filled with Holy Spirit at your. 203 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,640 She did. She did. 204 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:01,800 Sure. 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It it just as it was for that 11 228 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,200 year old girl. It is for everybody. 229 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:32,040 And you know, one of the things that you've highlighted is the 230 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,440 counselor, but I've also heard you say boldness. 231 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:40,160 And if there was ever a need for boldness, boldness. 232 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,440 And you know, one of the things I want to say is there's a big 233 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,880 difference between being a bully and being bold in the spirit. 234 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:51,360 The Holy Spirit will never cause you to be a bully, but it will 235 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,720 cause you to be speak the word of God with all boldness because 236 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,760 that would require boldness for a young girl to say to a priest. 237 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,080 I, I, Jesus is my mediator. I don't need to go to mandatory 238 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,160 confession anymore. And so here's somebody out there 239 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,560 and they're, they're feeling this, you know, I want to share 240 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:17,160 a story that I recently went to like a a unity event. 241 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,880 And there was this beautiful Catholic priest that I could 242 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:25,720 just tell was different. And we were gathering around 243 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,440 Jonathan Romy, you know, who stars in the chosen and he was 244 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:30,880 praying in the Holy Spirit over him. 245 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,760 And I was like, whoa, whoa, he's praying in he's praying in the 246 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:36,920 Holy Spirit. And you know, when, when a lot 247 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,320 of people were like, what, what is that? 248 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,320 Well, that is praying in a spiritual language that we have 249 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,280 the, the, the languages of people like Italian, English, 250 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,000 but then we have the languages of angels. 251 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,400 And this he was praying in a divine spirit LED or tongues 252 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,160 language. And I, I asked him his 253 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:58,280 experience and he told me that he had needed a physical healing 254 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,360 and somebody had given him a cassette tape and he was 255 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,120 listening to this physical healing and he was like, it was 256 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:05,600 beautiful. And then he said, the guy 257 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,160 started to move and talking about the infilling of the Holy 258 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,280 Spirit speaking in tongues. And he said, when the guy said, 259 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,880 let's pray, he found himself running across room to turn off 260 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,800 the cassette tape. And he thought, why am I 261 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:24,600 reacting to this this way? If it is nothing, there's 262 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,440 nothing wrong with praying. If it is nothing, then why am I 263 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,240 reacting? And so he said he was like, I 264 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:36,440 step back and said, God, I, I believe I, you know, I'm clean 265 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,560 before you. I've confessed any sin. 266 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,800 I I'm standing before you humble. 267 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,760 If this is a gift you want from me, I want it. 268 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,680 And he was instantly filled with the Holy Spirit, fluent in 269 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,600 Aramaic, fluent in Aramaic instantly. 270 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,160 And so this and again, you might say, well, he's a priest, Alec 271 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,680 as a minister. No, this is a gift available for 272 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,280 everyone, every believer in Jesus Christ. 273 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:06,120 And and going back to one more thing, how beautiful that the 274 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,920 woman that was teaching at the foundational things told you'd 275 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:15,680 already heard the Holy Spirit, because I did have a one of my 276 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,840 reform friends asked me, you know, are are you filled with 277 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,720 the Holy Spirit? And I said, yes, but so are you. 278 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,240 And they said, no, are you charismatic? 279 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,920 Do you speak in tongues? And I said, you cannot get born 280 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:32,200 again without the involvement of the Holy Spirit. 281 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:38,000 So, Alex, why? Why is it so neglected in the 282 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,360 body of Christ? I think people fear, and I think 283 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,840 it there's been a bad representation of the 284 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,280 manifestation of the Holy Spirit. 285 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,560 I think what people have seen is the weirdness of it and the 286 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,160 flesh response to it. See people, I think sometimes 287 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,600 when there's a deficit in a person, they have to 288 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,800 overcompensate. And when that overcompensation 289 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:05,160 happens, it's not of the spirit and it frightens people away. 290 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,160 But every one of us are wired to be spirit beings. 291 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:13,360 We are made by the Spirit of God and the breath that's in our 292 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,680 lungs is God's spirit, which means all of us are made-up of 293 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:22,320 body, mind, soul and spirit. When you connect to the real 294 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,000 Spirit of God, it feels like home. 295 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,800 But when you have like that anti spirit, it, it feels scary. 296 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,080 It feels, you know, like you're opposed to it. 297 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,240 But I've never met anyone that has. 298 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,680 You know, we, we're a charismatic family. 299 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,320 We've grown up in a charismatic church. 300 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,160 But coming to Nashville, it wasn't a charismatic culture. 301 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,440 No, it was more of a evangelical. 302 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,800 Yes, very much. But when I saw people that would 303 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:52,560 walk into our church for the very first time and they would 304 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,400 resonate, saying, I don't understand this, but I feel 305 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,280 drawn to it because when it's the real Holy Spirit, it 306 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,280 actually awakens something inside of you. 307 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,960 And I think the church, the Big Sea Church overall, has done a 308 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:10,400 disservice in misrepresenting that portion, which is so odd to 309 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,280 me because Jesus said it's imperative that I go so that you 310 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,920 will have the counselor, the comforter, the teacher, the 311 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,079 guide. It would be like Jesus walking 312 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:20,640 with us like he did with the disciples. 313 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:26,440 But we have the Spirit of Christ dwelling in us but empowering 314 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,359 us. So at salvation, like you said, 315 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,400 we receive the Holy Spirit. But why then did he say to the 316 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:36,840 disciples, don't leave Jerusalem until you've been filled with 317 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,440 power, endued with power? Why? 318 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,440 Because he knew that they could not be witnesses unless they had 319 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,600 the boldness and the power that Jesus carried when the Holy 320 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,760 Spirit came upon him at baptism. And so it's powerful. 321 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,680 You would see the disciples even asking the people, have you 322 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,680 received since you believed? And they'd be like, wait, what 323 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,240 is this gift? And then they would lay hands or 324 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,640 they would pray with them and the infilling of the Holy 325 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,280 Spirit. We know this incredible moment 326 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:09,240 that defined the church that we're part of was when we see 327 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,520 the Holy Spirit poured out on the Gentiles, which they knew 328 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,920 from, you know, hey, this is the day of Pentecost. 329 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,440 It was poured out on the Jewish believers, but now all of the 330 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,000 sudden it has jumped the barriers and it has been poured 331 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:28,360 out on the Gentile believers. OK, so I, I, I want to think 332 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:32,320 about this person that has had scary experiences, has had, you 333 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,720 know, the weird things or they've seen, they've sensed the 334 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,080 Holy Spirit, but then they've seen what you're talking about 335 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:44,120 it out of order or the weirdness of it or, or whatever. 336 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:47,560 But, but they know, they know there's got to be something more 337 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:53,240 and they're sitting at home. Your book is going to walk them 338 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:59,080 through that journey to be able to actually include the divine 339 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,000 counselor. But how are they going to know? 340 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,520 And this is the question I know you get. 341 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,960 I get whether it's the Holy Spirit's voice. 342 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:07,720 Their voice. Yeah. 343 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,360 The enemy's voice. Yeah. 344 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:10,280 Yeah. What? 345 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:10,880 Yeah. What? 346 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:12,760 Talk about that. Well, first of. 347 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,440 All I feel like we need to get into his word because his voice 348 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,120 sounds like his word, yes. And I think what happens when 349 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:21,920 there's confusion, it's when we don't know his word. 350 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,680 Now, that doesn't mean you need to know the entire Canon of 351 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,960 Scripture, right? But you will understand his word 352 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,920 a lot more if you're reading his word. 353 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,840 And when he speaks, he speaks through impressions. 354 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,280 You know, in your heart, in your thoughts, but you can often know 355 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,080 if it's a negative thought, if it's a condemning thought, if 356 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,800 it's a judgmental thought, if it makes you feel less than. 357 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,120 That's not the voice of God. That's the accuser of the 358 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:46,840 brethren, that's the enemy's voice. 359 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:48,840 Then we do have our own thoughts. 360 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,720 We're thinking about a certain thing, but we've got to look at 361 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,040 the fruit of that thought. Where does it lead you? 362 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,760 Does it lead to fruitfulness or does it lead to destruction? 363 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,160 And often it could be a simple impression. 364 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,560 And we just learnt, have to learn to act on those things, 365 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,760 like believe them, journal them. Man, I as I was praying, that 366 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,280 thought came into me that I wasn't even thinking about, but 367 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,360 it was an encouragement to me. I'm going to write that down. 368 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:20,480 And so you learn to develop the listening ear to hear his voice. 369 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,240 He's speaking all the time. He speaks through billboards 370 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,160 sometimes he speaks through other people. 371 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,520 He speaks through circumstances in life. 372 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,040 We've just got to learn to tune our ear to go. 373 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,840 Are you speaking? And I can guarantee you if you 374 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,240 put position yourself to say, Lord, would you speak? 375 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,000 I'm listening. He is going to speak to you. 376 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,440 But you can know if it's negative, destructive, throw it 377 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,960 out. If it's just neutral, it's your 378 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,120 thoughts. But if it's positive, if it 379 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,680 breathes life into you, if it's something you've never thought 380 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,680 of but it actually resonates, like man, that was a good 381 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,920 thought. Write it down and start to 382 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,640 learn. Maybe he doesn't do this with 383 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,600 you, but I even get corrective, not condemnation, but 384 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,320 corrective. Yeah, so. 385 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,600 He does that with me a lot. I get, I get the corrective on a 386 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,560 on a regular basis. So, all right, so now how does 387 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:17,760 somebody, because again, we've been living in a massive 388 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:23,480 distraction disturbance time period in the last five years, 389 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:29,200 there's just been constant inundation of information, 390 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,520 overwhelming. Now we've got somebody who says 391 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:37,280 I've, I've lost sensitivity to the Spirit of God. 392 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,000 I at once used to hear his voice and now I don't. 393 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:47,880 And there's a number of of blockages that I want you to 394 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,200 address. You talk about them in in your 395 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,480 messages. And you know, Alex and I again, 396 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,000 she's Italian, I'm Sicilian, but we've known each other. 397 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,920 I was trying to think probably since 2009. 398 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,400 I was thinking it's it's been a while. 399 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:07,400 And we met in Australia and you were very, very much a part of a 400 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:12,800 vibrant church back then and then got open some incredible 401 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,840 doors for you and Henry to come. You came to the US. 402 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,920 You really prayed into what you're supposed to do. 403 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,080 You had you had to have the council because you looked at 404 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,080 California and to be worship pastors. 405 00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:27,640 Then you really felt like God was tugging and saying, no, I 406 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,960 want you to come to Nashville. And then when you got to 407 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,520 Nashville, I remember our past intersected again and you were 408 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,640 like, look, there is a church on every single corner, Lisa. 409 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:44,760 But again, feeling this famine of the Holy Spirit, this famine 410 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:49,280 of the presence of God, this famine of not just the presence, 411 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,240 but a calling to holiness. I remember you saying and and 412 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:58,680 again you were like, we've got a lot of performers who are living 413 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:03,760 double lives because people are OK with platforming them, but 414 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,360 not OK with calling them to purity. 415 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,440 And you really sensed the belonging and it began as a 416 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,280 Bible study that you never really intended to become a 417 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,960 church. And then it exploded met on 418 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,160 Tuesday nights. I had the privilege of coming to 419 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:24,240 it in its early days and seeing that the presence of God and and 420 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:29,920 strong messages, strong messages of holiness and Holy Spirit and 421 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,320 prayer. And now that because I'm trying 422 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,360 to think when did you first start the belonging where you 423 00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:37,840 guys were meeting at Rocket Town? 424 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,840 And now you of course have your own building, but two. 1014 is 425 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,480 when we went out of the home and have been there for 12 years. 426 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,880 Yeah, so for 12 years and and you know, if if you don't know 427 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:53,040 about Pastor Alex and Pastor Henry Sealy, they pastor the 428 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,920 Belonging Cove, but they also have amazing, amazing spirit LED 429 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,840 anointed worship that's come out of the house because the Holy 430 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,520 Spirit is always going to lead people into the worship of 431 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,680 Jesus. So the Holy Spirit will always 432 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,440 point to Jesus, which would be another key thing that if it is 433 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,560 not, if it's pointing to you or platform or whatever you, it's 434 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,560 going to always Holy Spirit is always going to glorify Jesus. 435 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,240 Let's go back a little bit to the the therapeutic generation 436 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:27,880 that we live in right now. What would you say to somebody 437 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,040 because again, it's not healthy, the environment we're in? 438 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,640 No, well, it's not working. No, you know, I just met a girl 439 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,800 in New Zealand and she said, you know, I've been in therapy for 440 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,920 12 years. She's self harming. 441 00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:44,640 She is very, very, very depressed and riddled with 442 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,360 anxiety. And we were able to pray with 443 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:51,040 her and she got deliverance. And that's a that's a word we 444 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:55,160 don't really listen to or understand very much. 445 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,360 But I'm very much about the the anointing of Jesus breaks yokes. 446 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,120 And he said that in Isaiah 61 was prophesied over him. 447 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:06,680 The Spirit of the Lord has anointed me to release captives 448 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,040 and prisoners to preach the gospel and the good news. 449 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:14,680 And he said that after he came out of the waters of baptism, he 450 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:19,080 opened the scrolls and basically said, I'm the fulfilment of this 451 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:23,160 message. His whole anointing is to break 452 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,960 yokes. And the yoke of depression, the 453 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,760 yoke of anxiety, the yoke of these strongholds that really 454 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,360 take hold of our lives can be broken because of the blood of 455 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:36,800 Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit. 456 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:40,760 So the same spirit that raised Christ from the dead lives in 457 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,520 us. Therefore we can access that 458 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:48,000 power to break every stronghold. But we've got a generation that 459 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,640 has not been taught that. So they've gone to man made 460 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,840 solutions, they've gone to therapy, which I'm not opposed 461 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,520 to therapy, but if you're in therapy for 10 years and you're 462 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,800 not changing, it's not working. If you're on medication for 463 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,000 decades and nothing's changing, it's not working. 464 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,640 So we have to look at the overall majority and say, OK, 465 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,040 these things are helpful tools, but are they the cure? 466 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,120 No, I believe only Jesus Christ is the cure through the person 467 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:20,200 and the power of the Holy Spirit. 468 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,480 So we've got to learn to tap into knowing him and 469 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,120 understanding it is for freedom that Christ came to set us free, 470 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:30,400 Galatians 51 says. So why are we going back to yoke 471 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,760 of bondages to? No longer to be slaved and 472 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,760 entangled again with the yoke of slavery. 473 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,880 Exactly, and that's what I believe mental health is right 474 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,720 now. It's a yoke of slavery, slave. 475 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,720 And it's I mean, it's what you're saying it's not working. 476 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,040 It's not. And I mean, even you talk to 477 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,600 psychoanalysts, psychologists like Jordan Peterson, they say 478 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,800 this therapy is not working. You know, I, I love that you 479 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,480 brought up like again, we need a generation that needs to renew 480 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,440 their mind rather than study their mind. 481 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,760 And, and, and I think that's what's happening. 482 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,760 They're studying, Yep, they're studying their past. 483 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,560 They're studying their pain. They're studying. 484 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,360 Oh, wow. OK, yeah, that was that moment. 485 00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:14,880 And now I'm triggered because of this moment. 486 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:17,880 And you know, and again, I'm not trying to mock. 487 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,280 I'm not trying to mock. But as somebody and you and I 488 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,320 both have had, we haven't had perfect pass. 489 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:30,000 Yeah, I know I came from emotionally and physically 490 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:36,560 abusive parenting. And I could have said, well, I 491 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:41,840 am forever entangled in that. But when you renew your mind, 492 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,800 you don't look at yourself. And I and Alex, I remember there 493 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,680 was a moment where I, I think I had just had my second child and 494 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,280 you know, I, you know, probably wasn't postpartum depression, 495 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,280 but we weren't, we weren't given that as an option, you know, 496 00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:58,720 like we weren't, we weren't told, oh, you could have 497 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,560 depression. So I probably got, you know, was 498 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,160 that and I was very introspective. 499 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,960 And I remember thinking my, I was laying in my bed and I 500 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,640 thought my heart is a brood of Vipers. 501 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:17,040 I just remember like I was like, there's just so much negativity 502 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:23,160 in my heart and judgement and, and anger and you know, and I 503 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,960 just remember I was like, God, it's just a brood of Vipers. 504 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,240 And I don't know, I was overwhelmed by my own thoughts. 505 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:37,120 I was overwhelmed by my patterns that I had inherited and 506 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,720 reinforced in my own life. And all the sudden I remember I 507 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,840 called a spiritual father and I said, I am a brood of Vipers. 508 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,320 I mean, it was like, wait a minute, you are searching your 509 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:57,320 mind by the light of your understanding, not the light of 510 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,120 God's word. And he said it is the word of 511 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,720 God that renews our mind. He said, you're going to the 512 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,040 darkness of your own mind. And I do feel like that is the 513 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,880 mistake, you know, And and then again, this is going to make 514 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,440 some of you mad, but I'm just going to say it. 515 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,760 Not everybody is a life coach. That's right. 516 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,160 Not everybody is a life coach. Everybody has the right to 517 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,720 actually speak into your life. And you need to be very, very 518 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,160 careful. I mean, God is offering us 519 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,520 divine counsel and a living word. 520 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,200 And he's like, again, your divine counselor, that voice of 521 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,480 the Holy Spirit. You have the, the policing and 522 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,400 the parameters of God's word, like is this God? 523 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,360 But you have to read the word and then the word will actually 524 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,360 speak to you because it's alive. And and then you have this 525 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,200 beautiful framework. And we're we're not saying we're 526 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,920 against medicine, but what we're saying is it's covering up 527 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:53,840 something. That's right. 528 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,800 It's not a good long term solution. 529 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:57,640 That's right. Yeah. 530 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,400 Yeah, I think it's a reset for some people, but I think we're 531 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,600 prescribing too much too soon. And I think if we were to able 532 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,880 able to have people who were spirit filled counselors who 533 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,200 people who led you back to Jesus. 534 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,800 And in fact, in that book, I've got several testimonies where I 535 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,680 call it the proof is in the pudding because everything I'm 536 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,480 talking about of what to do when you're in a crisis of of your 537 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:28,600 emotions and your trauma, how does Jesus get in the center of 538 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:29,720 it? It's not denying it. 539 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,080 It's not pushing it away. It's actually allowing him to 540 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,440 come with you on the journey to healing. 541 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,160 And we have to get used to leaning into pain because the 542 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,560 one who suffered the most pain understands and he takes us 543 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,480 through to the other side of healing. 544 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,280 But we want to numb the pain, we want a quick fix, we want a 545 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,000 short term solution. And that's not going to fly. 546 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,960 And I think that's the fear for me is I'm seeing so many people 547 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,840 bound and locked up to the point where because of those drugs, 548 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,280 they're not even sensing the presence of God because. 549 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,080 Dumbs it. Dowels it down, you know. 550 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,560 And numbing is OK, like you get numbed for surgery. 551 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,360 Yes, but there comes a point. You've got to come out. 552 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,720 You've got to come out because actually, if you, if you don't 553 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,880 come out, like I remember when I broke my nose surfing, I came 554 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,600 out of the surgery and the and the doctor had, I guess dusted 555 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,200 my nose with cocaine, so I had no pain. 556 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,800 I was like, so happy. I told John, I'm so glad I 557 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,480 didn't try that before I became a Christian. 558 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,600 I was like, that was amazing. They're like, what's your level 559 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,760 of pain? I said 00. 560 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,760 I felt great. And then the next day I called 561 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,960 the doctor and I was like, I was wrong. 562 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,560 I need pain pills. And he said, no, now I actually 563 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,280 need you to feel it. Yeah, so that you heal. 564 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,120 And he said because if I numb you, you will do things that 565 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,560 will actually injure you further. 566 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,240 And he said I need you to to feel this pain. 567 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,680 And I think it's exactly what you're saying is there. 568 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,560 There comes a time where pain is an indicator. 569 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,400 It is not something to always be avoided. 570 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,360 So all right, so now I kind of, I kind of hijacked your ability 571 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,160 to talk about what are the things that dull. 572 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,960 We, we have talked about this well, but what are some of the 573 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,920 other things that you're seeing in the church that have dulled 574 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,760 the to be honest with you, I mean, it's you and I both know 575 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,680 the Holy Spirit is always wanting to speak. 576 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,080 He is. Always willing to speak. 577 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,480 You know, John always refers to it as it's like a radio station 578 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,800 is always broadcasting. Oh, yeah. 579 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,480 Whether you turn on the radio or not, It's, it's it's not, it 580 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,120 doesn't start broadcasting the moment you turn on the radio. 581 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,480 It's always broadcasting. So it's, it's not the Holy 582 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,440 Spirit is unwilling to speak. It's just that we're unwilling 583 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,440 to engage. So So what are some things that 584 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,040 Causeway A disengagement and then how can people reengage? 585 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,680 Yeah, I think honestly, people, there are people that want to 586 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,000 blame and therefore divert responsibility. 587 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,880 And therefore because, you know, taking responsibility means 588 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,080 you've got to sit in the posture to listen and be corrected. 589 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,840 Like you said before, there is that. 590 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,240 I don't think people are wanting to sit long enough to be 591 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,360 corrected. I think they just want to be 592 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,640 stroked and told they're there. It's all very bad rather than I 593 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,280 know this happened to you, but let me take you through it. 594 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,320 I think we fear. I think we're in environments 595 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,400 where I love that you use the word famine, that there is a 596 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,760 barrenness of the presence of God. 597 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,040 So we're hearing good talks. Of the best. 598 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,600 But there's no power or authority behind it. 599 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,800 And then we're not given the space to be ministered to. 600 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,840 And this is in the church. It's a good talk. 601 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,800 And then on your way, whereas I'm a big believer of 602 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,960 positioning yourself, you know, the Holy Spirit moves where he's 603 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,000 wanted, moves where he's invited. 604 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,200 And so to have that acknowledgement even when you 605 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,760 read the Word, my prayer, every time I open the Scripture is 606 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,520 Holy Spirit. Would you illuminate what I need 607 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,719 you to speak to me about today? So I'm in a position to say I'm 608 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,280 a student. Will you speak when I'm at 609 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,080 church? I'm not going in what have they 610 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,560 got for me today? I'm not going in familiar. 611 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,600 I'm going in hungry saying I mean, I've been in church 612 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,080 services since I was born. I'm 53 years of age. 613 00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:33,000 I you know, I've heard a lot, but I never treat the word of 614 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,159 God being preached by anybody with familiarity. 615 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,400 So I again, I'm positioning myself. 616 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:41,199 I could learn something that will change me today, even if 617 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:43,560 it's one line, one scripture, one thought. 618 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,480 I think we have to humble ourselves. 619 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,320 I think that's a really big one too. 620 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,239 Not to be the experts, to think, well, I know better. 621 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,520 You know, every time I've spoken on this topic, I've had 622 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,760 pushback. How dare you say that my anxiety 623 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,080 and my depression can be healed because I've tried. 624 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,920 I've tried. And I think that's the problem. 625 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,960 They're trying rather than surrendering. 626 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,520 And I think there's many, many areas where we have to surrender 627 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,840 our will. We have to position ourselves to 628 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,880 listen. We have to stand to be 629 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,800 corrected. It's OK, OK to be corrected 630 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,320 because God disciplines those He loves and cares for and we have 631 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,960 to not fear the fact that He's going to scold us because He's 632 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,080 not a mean God. Well, and it's shocking to me 633 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,000 that people, and again, I understand disappointment, I 634 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,080 understand frustration. I understand trying and, you 635 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,560 know, asking God to heal and not getting healed and then getting 636 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,040 mad when people say there's still freedom available. 637 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:44,360 But wouldn't it be better to believe that there is freedom? 638 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,920 I I know for me Alex, when I was again a young mother and I was I 639 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,120 just had I believe I just had Nope, I had not heard Ally well 640 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,320 anyway, I was young mother and I was crying out to God set me 641 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,520 free, set me free, set me free and he answered back, What do 642 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,440 you think I've left undone? I gave the life of my son 643 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,920 completely that you might be completely free. 644 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,760 But Lisa, you pick and you choose, you know, and again, 645 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,400 that whole Galatians, it is for freedom, not for ministry. 646 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:23,240 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free and God sets us 647 00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:26,680 free so that we can be His. He wants us to be totally his. 648 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,960 It's not because he wants to use us in some way, but it is for 649 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,280 freedom that Christ has set us free. 650 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:38,160 Now there is there is the area and I do think that this has 651 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,200 come in. I know I've been talking about 652 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:47,720 this quite a bit, and people do get upset of compromises that we 653 00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:54,200 have unwittedly, perhaps even in our home, invited things that 654 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,200 grieve the Holy Spirit. Can you speak about that? 655 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,440 Yeah, We, you think about it, like to have the Holy Spirit in 656 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,440 you means we have the fruit of the Spirit, Lovejoy, peace, 657 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,440 patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, self-control, all 658 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,960 of these things. If we're not exercising that, 659 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,840 that then doesn't take place. So then when you look at 660 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,400 people's homes, what are you letting into your home? 661 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,680 What music are you listening to? Because you're opening a door 662 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,120 for the enemy to speak depressive songs over you. 663 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,040 Or sexualized. Or sexualized songs, movies, 664 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:37,320 horror, pervertedness, all of these things open doors that 665 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,760 actually we're we are spirit beings. 666 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,840 Therefore we're open to receive. And we were just talking about 667 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,760 this the other day. Crystals that people, even 668 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:53,240 Christians using crystals going to horoscopes, going to these 669 00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:57,120 things that we want in the immediate I want to get you're 670 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,240 opening the door for the enemy to wreak havoc in your life 671 00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:04,720 because it is not centered in Christ and anything that is not 672 00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:06,640 centered in Christ is Antichrist. 673 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,720 So you're opening yourself up to be messed with by oppressive 674 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:14,560 spirits, spirit of fear that comes in. 675 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,240 It takes a stronghold. So we're doing a lot of things 676 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:19,680 at home, even unwillingly. What are you letting your 677 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:20,600 children want? Watch. 678 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,840 What are you? How are you talking to one 679 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,400 another? Are you just living in your 680 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,120 flesh where you react instead of respond? 681 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,920 Are you learning how to love one another, prefer one another? 682 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,560 All of these things matter. What are you speaking over your 683 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:36,680 life? What are you declaring? 684 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,880 I am my condition. We're making things, our 685 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,120 identity. I have, I have. 686 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,680 And so we're opening ourselves to so much that them the enemy. 687 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,440 We have to realise we live in a spiritual world. 688 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,160 We're making agreements with things that are ungodly, that 689 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,600 then become belief systems that then we act out and then become 690 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,200 strongholds. And then we wonder why we're 691 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,200 bound. Right. 692 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,800 No, 100%. And I don't think people 693 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,840 understand. And I've, you know, they'll 694 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,080 think it's legalism, but it's not legalism because there's a 695 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,560 big difference. We're not talking about 696 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,400 salvation. We're not talking about you 697 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,480 losing your salvation, but we are talking about you losing 698 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,960 your authority in the spirit. We are talking about you losing 699 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,240 an awareness of the Holy Spirit's prompting to where you 700 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:24,600 don't hear his voice. We are talking about 701 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,200 unforgiveness. Well, like I've had, we've seen 702 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,080 so many people that ask for the infilling of the Holy Spirit. 703 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,800 Now they've already of course experienced the Holy Spirit 704 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,320 through salvation, but ask for the infilling of the Holy Spirit 705 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,720 speaking in tongues who cannot get filled with unforgiveness in 706 00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:43,880 their heart. And so unforgiveness, offense, 707 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,760 these kind of things, they, they come in as barriers. 708 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,000 And why would you want an excuse to live unholy? 709 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,480 That's why would you want that? And, and you know, when we talk 710 00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:01,200 about the Holy Spirit, this is, this is a manifestation of a 711 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,800 holy God. And you know, it's interesting 712 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,720 to me and I'd love you to weigh in on this. 713 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,680 Like when you describe the word holy what? 714 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,640 How do you set that up? Yeah, well, holy means to be set 715 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:18,920 apart, different and and and useful for something specific 716 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,640 and intentional, full of purpose to be holy. 717 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,120 I think we can look at that word and go, oh, that means we're 718 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,080 self-righteous and we're. No, no, no, no, no. 719 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,200 It means you don't want to break the heart of God because he is 720 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,800 holy and anything that isn't holy he doesn't want part of. 721 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,920 So I don't want to be apart from my father. 722 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,280 So I want to live. Now does that mean I live a 723 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,600 perfect life? No, but I'm doing everything 724 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,800 that I can with the power of the Holy Spirit. 725 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,440 I think I remember John articulating it is, you know, to 726 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,160 be grace empowers us to live righteously. 727 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,440 And so it's the grace of God through the power of the Holy 728 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,000 Spirit that enables us to be holy. 729 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,600 It's not. I have to muster up holiness. 730 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,800 I have to be holy. Legalism. 731 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,520 Yeah, that's legalism. No. 732 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:08,960 And then? Again, that's that's the 733 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,960 Pharisee, that's the Pharisitical spirit. 734 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,120 And totally. And then they become proud and 735 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,560 arrogant and judgmental. But holy is a humility. 736 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,440 Holy is I can't do this without you, Lord, but I don't want to 737 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,240 break your heart. And so I think the endeavor of 738 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:25,920 knowing the person of the Holy Spirit. 739 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,160 Actually, like you said before, he points us to Jesus. 740 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,920 So you fall more in love with Jesus and the more you fall in 741 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,840 love with Jesus, the more you don't want to break his heart 742 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,360 and the more you find yourself going. 743 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,400 I don't want a part of that because it's not beneficial. 744 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,440 It's not it's actually not helping me. 745 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:46,080 Like I used to get so angry at things because when I was young, 746 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,000 I was, I always felt unheard and unseen. 747 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:54,240 And so if I ever felt dismissed or I would get so angry, and 748 00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:55,960 then the Holy Spirit, this is his job. 749 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,840 He would be like, Alex, do you see there's a deficit here? 750 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,280 Why are you needing to prove your worth over here when I've 751 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,200 already made you worthy? So then you're like. 752 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,640 Oh, and that's what a Holy Spirit conversation sounds. 753 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,200 Like that's exactly right. It goes so gentle. 754 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,040 It goes to the core, yes. It doesn't go to the surface, 755 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,280 yes. And this is my concern is that 756 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,520 therapy goes to patterns but not core. 757 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,840 Yes, it never goes to the root. Yes. 758 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,440 We deal with symptoms, yes. It's not when I had an eating 759 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,600 disorder. Which we both did. 760 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,040 I don't know how we both managed to with that. 761 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,960 I know. But 20 years of that bondage. 762 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,400 But the root of it was control. Yes, the root of it was 763 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,280 rejection and the root of it was unforgiveness because of my 764 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,480 mother's outbursts. Because of her, you never knew 765 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,720 what day it was going to be. I the only thing I could control 766 00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:51,160 was my eating. But then what I got from that 767 00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:54,520 was affirmation because, oh, look how lovely you look because 768 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,880 you're so skinny. So then it was feeding the 769 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,680 deficit of affirmation that I was so starved with. 770 00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:04,360 So now that became my idol. It became my friend. 20 years. 771 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,240 And I'll be honest, I would always feel the prompting and 772 00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:08,920 the Holy Spirit, hey, we need to deal with that. 773 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,840 And I'd be like, we're good, I'm okay, I've got it under control. 774 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,360 The irony of that. But then it wasn't until the 775 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,080 Holy Spirit. I'll never forget that 776 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,400 impression to say, Alex, the root of it is control. 777 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,880 You so fear being out of control that you don't trust me. 778 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,480 Therefore, I'm your Savior, but I'm not your Lord because this 779 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,600 is yours and you won't give it to me so you can be saved. 780 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:34,920 And I was in ministry, by the way. 781 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,680 I'm raising my hands, I'm speaking in tongues, I'm serving 782 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,280 in ministry, but there's an area of my heart that I'm not letting 783 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,920 Jesus go near. That's what he's talking about. 784 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,480 Now, I could have gone to therapy after therapy after 785 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:52,160 therapy, but the counselor said, hey, sweetie, you've got an 786 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,760 issue with your mother and you need to forgive her and you need 787 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,240 to repent of the idol of yourself. 788 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,840 Let that go. Watch me heal. 789 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,640 You delivered. It's crazy how parallel our 790 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,280 palsa are in that realm. You know, you mentioned and we 791 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,840 just kind of, we just kind of went over it really quickly 792 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,960 about crystals and stones and things like that. 793 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,440 See, I want to talk to anybody out there that's like, no, no, I 794 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,000 feel, I feel the presence of God with crystals or with stones or 795 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,600 my astrology. It makes sense to me. 796 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,320 Or maybe you're manifesting things for your business or 797 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,600 whatever. I'm, I want to tell you, you're 798 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:36,240 drawn to that because you are a spiritual being, but what you 799 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:38,600 are practicing is not of divine origin. 800 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:43,240 It is divination and divination means the imitation of the 801 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:49,760 divine and when you actually surrender to the Holy Spirit. 802 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,240 And that's that's really what you're going to have to do. 803 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,760 You can't just throw a Christian name on manifestation. 804 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,480 That's right. You cannot just throw a 805 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,200 Christian name on yoga. You can't just throw a Christian 806 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,280 name on crystals. You can't just say, well, it's 807 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:03,880 Christian because I'm I'm a Christian. 808 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,240 You have to actually surrender. That's right. 809 00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:12,040 And say God, I want only that which your Holy Spirit imparts 810 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,800 and and it's always a counterfeit. 811 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,880 Yes, I mean the manifestation. I'm going to claim these things 812 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,640 and I am whatever see it is Jesus said for the purpose. 813 00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:26,920 Well, the word of God said the for this purpose was the son of 814 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,520 God manifest was to destroy the works of the evil 1. 815 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,520 So he's not going to bless divination. 816 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,200 That's right. He's not going to bless that. 817 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,560 And so if you're out there and you're like, but I I felt Reiki 818 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,480 was this moment. No, you guys, we need to be set 819 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:44,520 apart. And So what I'm going to 820 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,360 challenge you and I'm going to ask, I'm going to have Alex 821 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,720 pray, but what I'm going to challenge you to do, surrender 822 00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:54,520 it all, surrender it all and say, God, you know what? 823 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,920 I if I have these idols in my life, maybe like Alex and I, you 824 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,960 are taking control of eating disorder and you're like, God, 825 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,520 I'll give you all these areas, but I'm not giving you that area 826 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,200 because I don't know if I can trust you. 827 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,840 You might be fat or you might. That was. 828 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,280 That was my eye. That was my I was like, you 829 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,520 can't be trusted with this. You don't just say it's my 830 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:14,920 flesh. So I don't want to. 831 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,520 I don't want to surrender. And God was like, it is going to 832 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,480 kill you. And your children. 833 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,800 Is going to kill you. You do not deal with this. 834 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,320 So I don't know what idols you've built up. 835 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:31,800 I don't know what false deities or flawed divinations that 836 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,680 you've leaned into because of a hunger. 837 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,720 It's a reason why everybody likes magic. 838 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,920 It's because we were made for the supernatural. 839 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,400 But you're not supposed to be Harry Potter. 840 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:47,480 You don't need a wand or an owl. You have the divine counselor 841 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,520 and Alex, I'm so thankful that you've written this book. 842 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,200 I know so that years and years ago John and I felt like the 843 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,280 Holy Spirit had been misrepresented in the church and 844 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,520 felt like we had to reintroduce just the Holy Spirit. 845 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,920 But you have gone to the next level of talking about the Holy 846 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:12,200 Spirit as our divine counselor. And I can't even imagine what is 847 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:19,400 more necessary right now of a generation lost, confused, 848 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:25,360 distracted, divided politically, you know, aggravated. 849 00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:29,360 And all of this time we need divine counsel. 850 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,080 And so could you just pray for anybody that's listening that 851 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,640 and I just want you to feel the freedom to be LED. 852 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,040 However, and if you're there, I'm saying, I I need this book. 853 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:41,840 Listen, we're going to put it in our show notes. 854 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:46,680 You can get a hold of this book. The divine counselor. 855 00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:49,640 We need you to be connected with the Holy Spirit. 856 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,920 This is not just a ministry tool. 857 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,360 This is your companion for life. It is. 858 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,320 Well, let's pray. Father, we just thank you that 859 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,600 you sent your Son Jesus first and foremost to die, who was 860 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,600 buried and who rose again. And because of that, the Spirit 861 00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:11,360 of the living God is now accessible to us through the 862 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,400 Holy Spirit. And I thank you that you sent us 863 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,480 a helper, a guide, a teacher, a comforter, a counselor, our 864 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:23,000 advocate, the one who stands in the gap for us and intercedes 865 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,080 and prays with us and leads us. God, I pray for every person 866 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,880 right now who's listening to my voice that you are searching for 867 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,080 more. Maybe you're riddled right now 868 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,320 with depression, anxiety, fear, addiction in some way. 869 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,800 I pray right now that the power of the Holy Spirit would reveal 870 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,400 Jesus to you. I pray that as you ask and when 871 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,520 you seek and you not that He will answer you. 872 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,240 I pray that even today that He will show you a sign that He 873 00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:57,480 will bring a person alongside of you to show you, but more 874 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,920 importantly when you open the scriptures that He will reveal 875 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,200 Himself to you. I pray right now to break every 876 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,760 stronghold that you may be living under that you've just 877 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:12,760 not been able to break free. I pray in the name of Jesus that 878 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,360 the blood of Jesus would break every chain. 879 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,320 And I thank you, God, that you are accessible to everyone who 880 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,880 is asking, everyone who is searching. 881 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,200 And so God, make yourself available. 882 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,320 Make yourself known today to every single one of these 883 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,680 listeners. And I pray that you would bring 884 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,320 healing where there needs healing. 885 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,360 You would bring breakthrough and deliverance to those areas that 886 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,880 are bound, broken, and shut down. 887 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,920 And that you would reveal the Christ, the Christ within us, 888 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,840 the hope of glory that would bring transformation, not just 889 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,480 behavior modification, but transformation by the renewing 890 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,720 of our mind. In your name we pray. 891 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:53,400 Amen. Amen. 892 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,920 And listen, if that is spoke to you, we want to hear from you 893 00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:03,000 and we love that this is an opportunity to come into your 894 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,760 home and for you to pray and and there's nothing, there's nothing 895 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,160 special about us. It's not it's not easy thing 896 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,840 different. God just loves you. 897 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,920 And I believe if you've listened to this podcast today, it's 898 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,280 because God has something just incredibly profound for you. 899 00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:23,520 Alex, thank you so much for joining me. 900 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,720 I just believe lives are going to be touched and ministered 901 00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:26,560 too. Amen. 902 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:27,040 Thank men.