1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,280 Roe V Wade was overturned. It didn't make abortion illegal 2 00:00:03,280 --> 00:00:07,560 and put it back into the hands of the state government and some 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:12,320 of those states like Vermont. Vermont has no limitation on the 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:17,120 age the preborn child can be aborted, the excuses and the 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:24,960 levels of justification for the unjustifiable if you stand for 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,360 life. It is considered hateful. 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,360 If you stand for truth, it is considered hateful. 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,640 We are now persecuting what is good and what is innocent and 9 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,400 excusing what is evil and what is bad. 10 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:43,400 The life of a pre born child deserves to be protected and I 11 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:48,320 am going to challenge all of my sisters to start using your 12 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:53,920 voice. Well, welcome to the Fight for 13 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,320 Female podcast. Today I am joined with my 14 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,960 daughter-in-law, Christian who is pregnant. 15 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:01,360 How? How far along are you now? 16 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,280 Currently at the taping of this five months. 17 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:10,240 What's really punctuating this moment for me is yesterday we 18 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,160 just had the incredible privilege of welcoming our 8th 19 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:19,440 grandchild. Mr. Arthur was born much wanted, 20 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,160 much anticipated birth. While while we were taping 21 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,600 yesterday just was laboring. We were like, are you having the 22 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,680 baby up? And this beautiful baby boy, 9 23 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:36,040 lbs three oz welcome into weeks. I know, I know he was like, I am 24 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,680 going to chub up inside of here. But you know what, Christian? 25 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,520 At the same time we came out of the taping, John and I are so 26 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:47,040 filled with joy about this baby and I read something. 27 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,760 Do you want to share what we just saw happen in, I don't even 28 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,440 want to say the judicial court because it makes it sound like 29 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,480 it has some kind of justice involved. 30 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,680 But what happened? There was some pro-life 31 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,080 advocates who were sentenced yesterday, and I really feel 32 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,920 like it's important that people know about this. 33 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,160 Yeah, it's unfortunate we have to read it, but I think it is, 34 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,080 like you said, important that we do so. 35 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,240 It says 30 year old pro-life activist Lauren Handy has just 36 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:19,320 been sentenced to 57 months. 57 months is almost how long? 37 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,680 Five years. Almost five years, OK. 38 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,400 Crazy in federal prison for handing roses and resources to 39 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,280 women at an abortion facility. Meanwhile, abortionists who 40 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:32,920 dismember and kill children walk free. 41 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,760 OK, so let's talk about that. So we have a young girl who is 42 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,480 going to enter prison at 30 years of age. 43 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:46,840 She's going to come out at 35 for handing out roses and 44 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,720 resources that I'm sure would have given people the option of 45 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,040 making other choices than abortion. 46 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:59,360 And yet you can rape a child. Class C felony. 47 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,520 The maximum you can get fined for that is $10,000 and you're 48 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,520 looking at 3:00 to maybe 10. Years and a lot of times they 49 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,760 have the charges dismissed. I mean, we just saw their sexual 50 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:15,200 assault cases where people serve less than a year in prison and 51 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,640 now we have somebody passing out. 52 00:03:17,640 --> 00:03:22,000 Roses does not do damage to anybody, passes out Roses and 53 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,720 they also had a 69 year old man. If you go back, there was a 69 54 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,280 year old man. And how long was he sentenced 55 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,880 for? I believe it's in the same group 56 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,800 and we're we're drawing on information from Live Action. 57 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,000 We love and support Lila Rose and Live Action. 58 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,680 We love what they do. 69 year old pro-life activist John 59 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,320 Henshaw, who held a career serving the homeless addiction. 60 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,400 Serving the homeless. The addicted and disabled was 61 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,720 just sentenced to 21 months, so that's almost two years in 62 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,520 federal prison for his peaceful work saving lives from DC late 63 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,440 term abortionists. Yes, for that person this free 64 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,640 yes and I don't know if you know that I believe it was 5 little 65 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,760 bodies were found in the dumpster dismembered and unnamed 66 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,760 and they were late term abortions. 67 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,280 They were illegally done late term abortions hidden away. 68 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,520 And these were people that protested that. 69 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:23,240 And right now, I personally find myself questioning the the 70 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,760 integrity of the judges in the United States of America that 71 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:32,360 they could actually sentence a young woman to almost five years 72 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:38,120 in prison and a 69 year old man to almost two years in prison 73 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,400 for peaceful protests. In light of the fact that these 74 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,400 are not hardened criminals. These are not repeat offenders. 75 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,880 These are not people that have stolen things, killed people, 76 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,240 you know, been doing sexual assault. 77 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,480 And yet this is where we've come from, where we are persecuting 78 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,480 what is good and what is innocent and excusing what is 79 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,480 evil and what is bad. And you and I just saw a video 80 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,040 not long ago. This is this is very upsetting 81 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,720 of a trans woman, which in case you're concerned or confused, 82 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:16,800 that means a man looks like a very strong black man in a 83 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,480 blonde wig who ran over a what was he? 84 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,280 How old was this man? I believe he was in the 60s. 85 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:27,200 A man in the 60s ran him over, backed over him again, jumped 86 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,920 out of the car, I. Believe assaulted him. 87 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,200 Possibly sexually assaulted him and stabbed him nine times. 88 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:39,360 And while this is going on, there are people watching. 89 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:43,240 Nobody interferes. Nobody does any. 90 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,960 Nobody calls the police at the very beginning of it, as far as 91 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:46,520 we know. Or. 92 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:47,560 Shouts. He stops. 93 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,520 Yeah, nobody. The guy actually is interacting 94 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,440 with the witnesses as he tries to get into another car where he 95 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,880 can't escape and he just decides, OK, I'm just going to 96 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:02,480 leap over this body that I just stabbed 9 times and yeah, that's 97 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,360 it. And you know, these kind of 98 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,960 things are being put on social media. 99 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,160 They might out just a little bit of the violence. 100 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:16,760 But as you know, when we did the trailer for the Fight for Female 101 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,880 podcast, I don't know if any of you have gone to YouTube, but if 102 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,520 you go to. YouTube shameless plug. 103 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,520 Do it right now. Do it right now. 104 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,600 If you go to YouTube, you can see that. 105 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:31,120 Just the trailer that features things that everybody else puts 106 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,920 on their social media. Just the trailer is put as 107 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,080 sensitivity. You might not want to watch this 108 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,440 because why? Because it is considered hateful 109 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,800 if you stand for life. It is considered hateful if you 110 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:50,120 stand for truth. It is considered hateful if you 111 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,680 don't allow people to make excuses because you know, 112 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,600 somewhere along that line, that person's going to get caught and 113 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,360 there's going to be like, oh, well, you know what? 114 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,480 It's just hard on them because he's a he's a trans woman and 115 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,600 people don't really believe that person is AI don't I don't even 116 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:12,040 know what's going on right now, but the excuses and the levels 117 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:19,000 of justification for the unjustifiable is such a it's 118 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,520 just it's so extreme right now. The crazy thing is, Christian, 119 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,000 most states have, you know, they've taken back their power 120 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,920 to make the ruling. When Roe V Wade was overturned, 121 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,720 it didn't make abortion illegal and put it back into the hands 122 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,600 of the state government. And some of those states, like 123 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:41,720 Vermont, Vermont has no limitation on the age of the 124 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,560 child or the preborn child can be aborted. 125 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:49,480 And there's talk in some states where the parents can decide 126 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:54,960 after the child is born whether they want to keep the child or 127 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,280 not. And I do believe there was talk 128 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,280 around that in California. And so here's where we are. 129 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:06,400 We've gone from, you know, heartbeat to, well, first and 130 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:11,600 2nd trimester to partial birth abortions to all the way to 131 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,880 birth abortions. And it was interesting. 132 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,480 I watched an interview between Sage Steele and Robert Kennedy 133 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,280 that was, you know, running for president. 134 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,800 And she asked him, you know, at what point should women not be 135 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:27,520 allowed to abort their babies? He was like, it's always a 136 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:28,840 woman's choice all the way, all the way up. 137 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,000 And now they're trying to backpedal his his vice 138 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,720 presidential candidate is trying to backpedal on that. 139 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,360 But she pushed it a number of times. 140 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,280 He was like, I believe it's always a woman's choice. 141 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,039 It's always a woman's choice. Well, I think. 142 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:43,679 That's the thing there. So we have we go going back to 143 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,880 what we were saying earlier, our justice system isn't fully just 144 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,280 for all parties. And if you take back the scale 145 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,440 of well, I'm on this side and I'm on this side, we should be 146 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,680 on the side of justice. And that can't be divided and 147 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:57,920 cut how we want to per circumstance. 148 00:08:58,160 --> 00:08:59,840 It should be, well, what is the ruling? 149 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,360 And are we going to stick to that for all people for the 150 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:07,040 betterment of our people? And if we're saying I just think 151 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,960 men especially are scared to feel like they're a bigot or 152 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,800 they're toxic masculinity. So it's like, well, I don't have 153 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,240 a say. It's just the woman's choice. 154 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,000 No, you have a say. You're the father of that child. 155 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,680 Yes and it's the men are not speaking up like I love in 156 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:25,080 birth. They even say that the husband 157 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,400 should be the advocate for the wife because she's doing 158 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,320 something so intense he needs to be won an agreement with her. 159 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,240 But verbally speaking, no, she wants this. 160 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,560 No, she can do it. And if we're talking about for 161 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:37,400 your child, no, you need to be a voice. 162 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,560 Well, I think men are getting. Hands off. 163 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:41,480 Approach. Yeah, well, you can do whatever 164 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,400 you don't know. I think the men are getting very 165 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,360 mixed signals right now. It's a protect us when we want 166 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,880 you to protect us, but stay out of our life when we don't want 167 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,320 you in our life. And so men don't know when to 168 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,440 step in and say, hey, I want I want to be a father. 169 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,360 Please, please don't kill that child. 170 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,920 And now they're calling it forced birthing like women. 171 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:08,720 The white patriarchy is force birthing women like so somehow 172 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,400 it's always the woman that's the victim. 173 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:16,480 It's never that a child, the life of a pre born child is 174 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:21,200 being completely snuffed out that that child who is the most 175 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,640 vulnerable, who deserves to be protected it they we talk about 176 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,280 it as though it's an embryo, as though it's a fetus acting like 177 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,640 it is not a pre born life, pre born child. 178 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,080 It will never be anything but a child. 179 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,920 And you know, having gone through a birthing process, 180 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,360 having carried a child, you know, as a mother, you have such 181 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,360 an intimate awareness that it is alive. 182 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,440 It's not alive. When and it draws its first 183 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,960 breath, it is alive. It's not just moving around in 184 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,000 your body because it's not alive, it is alive. 185 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,440 I still can remember when I was pregnant without as my first 186 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:04,040 born, I was I was drinking some hot herbal tea and you're kind 187 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,040 of get used to this being a table when you're pregnant. 188 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,920 And I sat the glass kind of just down on my on my stomach, like 189 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,960 here's my table. And he kicked it like what in 190 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,000 the world? There was a temperature change 191 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,600 right here, like get, get. So then I got a piece of ice. 192 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:22,080 I started chasing him around and I was like, this baby is real. 193 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:26,120 This baby is feeling this hot, this cold is interacting. 194 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:31,280 And I can still remember that moment when I had to Addison. 195 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,560 It was a very complicated labor and delivery, and I'd had to get 196 00:11:35,560 --> 00:11:38,640 an epidural and I couldn't move. He gave Addison to John. 197 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,560 And John, like bouncing Addison, like, he's crying. 198 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:43,440 He's crying. He doesn't like me. 199 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,280 What's going on? And I said, oh, baby. 200 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,680 And he heard my voice. And Addison turned and looked at 201 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:53,520 me. And as soon as he heard my 202 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:58,040 voice, he stopped crying. And there is this beautiful 203 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:04,320 link, intimate link, unbreakable link between a mother and a 204 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,840 child. And it is so God woven. 205 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,600 It is so beautiful. Science is now proving that 206 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,000 women when they carry their children, they actually carry 207 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,400 that child's DNA in their body for the rest of their life. 208 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,240 That's why moms will be like, no, don't, don't be me, don't 209 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,760 spank, don't yell because they feel that child And it's it's 210 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:29,760 God woven for protection. And yet now we have a culture 211 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:37,400 that is asking women to deny themselves, deny their God-given 212 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:42,640 God woven intimate longing to protect their child and to cast 213 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,840 their child away. And I think there's something to 214 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:50,360 know about there is especially with how birth and pregnancy 215 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:51,440 motherhood has talked about today. 216 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,480 There is so many women that approach becoming pregnant or 217 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,080 even the idea with so much fear. But I have heard from so many 218 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,920 people, it's like, well, when I had that baby and when I held 219 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,600 it, I realized I'm stronger than I realized one because God is my 220 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,960 strength. He equips us like innately, but 221 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,920 also in that moment. But then when you set eyes and 222 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,480 you're like, Oh my gosh, I I have felt you, I have known you. 223 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,400 I didn't I couldn't put into words or vision how connected we 224 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,560 were until this moment, but we always have been. 225 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,160 And so I think when we embrace abortion and just say what 226 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,160 they're scared and they don't know and they haven't seen it, 227 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,960 like it's not alive yet. There's a moment when it comes 228 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,680 to a teen, you're just like, oh, all my fears are subdued. 229 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,560 Nothing else matters because this is worth it. 230 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,440 But we're cutting that off prematurely by just saying 231 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:39,480 they're scared. Do it. 232 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,400 Just just leave it. You can try again later. 233 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,600 And I do, I do feel like there has in the past. 234 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,400 I wouldn't say it's so much the case now. 235 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:53,880 There has in the past been largely more supportive at 236 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,680 Planned Parenthood. That may be at your local church 237 00:13:56,680 --> 00:14:00,400 where women felt like, but if I come to church and they find out 238 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,440 I'm pregnant and I'll be covered in shame and nobody, everybody 239 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,080 will look down on me. I do feel like there was some of 240 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,280 that in the past, but I don't believe that that is still the 241 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:14,240 story. I remember this young girl told 242 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,480 me that she had found herself pregnant and she went to Planned 243 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,520 Parenthood and they sat down with her and they said, you 244 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:25,400 know, one day you're going to be an amazing mother. 245 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,080 But it's not now. It's not now. 246 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,480 You're not married. It's not now. 247 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:36,920 And she said it was so peaceful. It seems so helpful. 248 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,120 You can just sweep this clump of cells away. 249 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,000 It it doesn't need to happen now. 250 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,320 And then the day is going to come. 251 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,800 But you know what, Christian? She found herself pregnant again 252 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,840 in just a very short amount of time and she went again and had 253 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:56,720 another abortion and then she found herself pregnant again. 254 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,520 And I'm trying to remember whether she connected with me 255 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:07,600 after second or third pregnancy, but basically she, she was super 256 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,480 brilliant, brilliant young woman, super self sabotaging. 257 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,640 And I, I, she was emailing me and I said, has it ever, have 258 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:21,160 you ever thought that maybe, maybe you're punishing yourself 259 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,840 and maybe you're trying to replace that child that you, 260 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,360 that you lost? And and then you go through the 261 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,960 cycle of, of loss again and again. 262 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,520 And I remember she became pregnant with her third baby. 263 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:41,160 And she said, I tell you what, if you'll take my child, I'll, I 264 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,160 will carry it full term and give birth to it. 265 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,840 And she miscarried, and the doctor told her that her uterus 266 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:53,240 was so scarred from all of the abortions that she had that he 267 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,360 did not think she'd ever be able to carry a child full term. 268 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,640 And see, they never tell these young girls that that is a risk. 269 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:01,600 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 270 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,560 That, that they just said one day you'll be an amazing mother. 271 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,320 They never said maybe one day you'll never be a mother. 272 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,760 And I can't remember the 3rd or 4th abortion. 273 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,120 I mean, a fourth pregnancy that she found that. 274 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:20,240 And she was, I mean, I think she was Ivy League educated, but 275 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:26,440 living in a life of self sabotage where she was 276 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:32,160 constantly pushing away the very things that she longed to draw 277 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,880 near. She said she saw me on TV and 278 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:39,080 she was listening to me talk and she said that she was mocking 279 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:40,720 me. She was like mocking, mocking, 280 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,720 mocking. And she said, and then I began 281 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,480 to listen to you. And she said, I found myself 282 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:50,120 curled up on my bed and I said, I wish she was my mother. 283 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,320 And there's a whole generation of young girls out there that, 284 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,240 you know, I, my heart breaks that no mother sat down with 285 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,920 them and said, I will support a courageous decision to have a 286 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,800 child. I, I, we, I had a, a beautiful 287 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,920 young girl, John's when John and I were youth pastors, when John 288 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,599 was a youth pastor and I was the, the, the work for free 289 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:16,560 wife. Our our associate youth pastor, 290 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,839 his wife. She told me the story of her 291 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:24,280 sister got pregnant and the parents said to her, we will 292 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:30,240 just reconfigure room. We will, you can have this baby 293 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,200 and you know, we'll, we'll do whatever you need to take care 294 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,080 of this baby, to take care of you. 295 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,680 And we'll support you on how on every level that you need to 296 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,720 supported. They, they did everything for 297 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,680 her. And because she was surrounded 298 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:50,240 by love and support instead of shame and rejection and fear, it 299 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,680 was just a matter of time before she met a man who not only loved 300 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,800 her, but loved the baby that she'd given birth to. 301 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,840 And she got married. And I feel like that is the kind 302 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,600 of mindset we need to have, because to be a mother is to be 303 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,880 a warrior. Whether you are a single mother 304 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,040 or whether you are a mother with a husband who loves and supports 305 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:09,880 you, to be a mother is to be a warrior. 306 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,760 And I think there has to be something said for we can, I 307 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,360 disagree is not the best word, but we can say, oh, I probably 308 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:22,040 should have come to this point to being pregnant a different 309 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:26,400 way, but I'm not reversing that. Having an abortion doesn't take 310 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,800 that away. It only furthers the pain that 311 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,480 could have happened no matter what that story is. 312 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:36,080 And to me, that's one of the isolated cases where we think, 313 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:37,680 oh, well, that probably shouldn't happen, but we're 314 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,880 going to continue to shame you forever and ever. 315 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,640 There's other things where we see so much more triumph more 316 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,720 readably. And I would challenge us, like 317 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:49,160 you're saying as a group of believers to say, you know, even 318 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,360 what we're talking on other episodes of there is 319 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:52,920 restoration, there is redemption. 320 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,040 And especially that child knows nothing other than how you you 321 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,000 treat them and you love them. And I believe that they can even 322 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,800 sense that in the womb. So it's like, OK, from today I'm 323 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,440 going to choose to love you. I'm going to choose to make the 324 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,520 best of our situation. I think one of the biggest 325 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,320 proponents that does lead people like you're saying the Planned 326 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,040 Parenthood conversation is, well, you don't have the 327 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,960 resources right now. That baby needs XY and Z to be 328 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,720 able to thrive. But what I remember from my own 329 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,600 childhood is the love I received, the care, the eye to 330 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,880 eye contact, not how much money we had in the bank, not how many 331 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,880 toys I had. They're actually saying less 332 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,920 toys is better for your children developmentally now. 333 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,560 But I think when we realize that there are options, there is 334 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:37,520 information, there is, you know, communities that help, like even 335 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,920 what we're saying of the beginning of this episode, the 336 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,160 woman that handed out roses and resources. 337 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,480 Sometimes people do need to know that they do have options 338 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,760 because when you get into something from a fear base, 339 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,880 you're only seen through 1 lens. And what's wild is with Roe V 340 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,000 Wade being overturned, that didn't stop abortions. 341 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,840 It's like you said, it didn't make them illegal. 342 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,560 We know just at Planned Parenthood there's at least over 343 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,520 350,000 abortions performed per year. 344 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,920 But yet. People, families waiting for 345 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,840 adopting a child, it takes them two to seven years. 346 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,800 So we see. The disconnect there of we call 347 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,800 them unwanted pregnancies, but there are families wanting 348 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,240 children, People like you're saying, having miscarriages, 349 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:22,120 suffering from endometriosis and infertility, not even knowing. 350 00:20:22,120 --> 00:20:24,920 Like I wish we could get people in the room that have been 351 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,000 suffering. We know so many sweet people 352 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,160 that have suffered from infertility and miscarriages. 353 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,080 I think if we could bridge the gap and say you don't even know 354 00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:37,120 the privilege just to carry a child, I don't get to know that 355 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,440 I would love to take care of that child. 356 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,920 Like the one lady said, we if you'll take care of it, I will 357 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,040 carry it full term. There's a bridge there that can 358 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,960 be so connected. We don't have to turn to, you 359 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,960 know, people that just say you can't do this, but maybe one day 360 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,040 you can have these false promises of fear. 361 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,280 We can connect. There are other ways. 362 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,080 I know I would not be here today if it wasn't for the blessing of 363 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,600 adoption. I have family members that have 364 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,040 come into our family through adoption. 365 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:09,120 So it is such a beautiful way. You know, when we do things in 366 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:13,080 community, we can actually solve each other's needs and find a 367 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,840 tethering where there's only tearing apart usually. 368 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,880 I love that. So I know you have some people 369 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,040 that you. Partnered with and going back to 370 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:25,320 what you said, if somebody it doesn't know they have a choice, 371 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,680 why is it wrong to tell them they have a choice? 372 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,720 And so, you know, if I was a frightened young girl and I was 373 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,160 wrestling with the idea that I didn't want to have an abortion 374 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,320 but felt like I had no choice but to have an abortion. 375 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,320 Or if I was a frightened young girl in a state where it was 376 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,920 illegal to have an abortion and I knew I had to have the child, 377 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,840 but I didn't feel like I had the resources to care for the child, 378 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,440 I would want to know that I could be supported. 379 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:56,440 And we've mentioned before that perhaps in the past, the church 380 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,240 may not have known how to support women who found 381 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,000 themselves with an unplanned pregnancy. 382 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,000 But I know of two amazing organizations that do everything 383 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,360 they can to come alongside the mothers and help them make 384 00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:12,960 courageous choices. Number one, there is an 385 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,680 incredible organization called Embrace Grace. 386 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,440 I love Embrace Grace and they come along church organizations 387 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,960 and actually teach them how to do this for the young mother. 388 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,840 So this is something it's all over the United States. 389 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,560 They have affiliates. I love it. 390 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,360 And it was a you know how it was birth. 391 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,240 A beautiful young girl found herself with it unwanted 392 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:38,000 pregnancy and she was heading in to have an abortion and she just 393 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,000 thought there's got to be a better way. 394 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,400 And she made the courageous choice, had her son and thought 395 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,480 I need to make sure. And she actually had gotten 396 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,480 pregnant by the guy that she ended up marrying later. 397 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:55,080 And she said, I've got to find a way for other mothers to not 398 00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:57,520 make the poor choice that I almost made. 399 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,440 So embrace grace and then live action. 400 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,160 Live action. If you go to the website, live 401 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,880 action has so many ways to connect you with the help that 402 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,960 you need and also to give you a little bit more information on 403 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:14,560 what is involved, the risk of abortion, the procedure in and 404 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,840 of itself. You need to have the information 405 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,400 so that you I can feel confident to make a decision. 406 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,880 You know, I watched so many of the live action reels where they 407 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,320 show people they're like, you know what, what would you 408 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,240 consider yourself? pro-life or pro-choice? 409 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,280 They almost always say, oh, I'm pro-choice, I'm pro-choice. 410 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,760 That's all in the women or I'm pro-choice. 411 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,400 And then they show them the procedures and the people are 412 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,280 horrified and they're like, I had no idea. 413 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,520 You know, here's the thing. Maybe you're sitting out there 414 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,320 and maybe you're listening to Christian and I and you've had 415 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,760 an abortion. I just want you to know there is 416 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:54,400 mercy, there is grace. Or maybe you're listening to us 417 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,640 and you find yourself pregnant right now and wondering, can I 418 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,520 tell my parents? Can I tell my friends? 419 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,640 Do I have what I need? I'm going to tell you right now, 420 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,480 God will come alongside, He will give you what you need, but you 421 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,760 need to be courageous and ask for help. 422 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,160 There are people out there waiting and watching to help 423 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,840 you. So don't be afraid to ask for 424 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:21,320 the help that you need. And then I want to also say to 425 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:28,160 my Christian brothers and sisters, I find it so sad that 426 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:33,680 the evangelicals are so inconsistent when it comes to 427 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,920 their voice of being pro-life. My Catholic brothers and 428 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:43,440 sisters, they are consistent about pro-life, but so much of 429 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:49,320 the church is so afraid of being labeled as hateful that they 430 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,920 will not stand up and use their voice for life and even speak 431 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,320 out to some of the lies. And there's so many people 432 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,000 Christian will actually say that miscarriages are abortions. 433 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,040 They are not abortions. Miscarriages are not illegal 434 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,040 anywhere to save a mother's life. 435 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,840 Miscarriages, that is a treatment. 436 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:13,640 If if you have found yourself pregnant and you need a DNC, 437 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,320 that is not an abortion. Do not listen to the lies. 438 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,040 Do not listen to the people that just are pushing their agenda. 439 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,880 So get informed, support organizations, live like live 440 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,680 action, educate yourself, and I am going to challenge all of my 441 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,280 sisters to start using your voice for life. 442 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,520 This has been the Fight for a Female podcast with Lisa Bevier. 443 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,040 I hope you are finding ways to fight for a female.