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I don't think people understand 
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Even the attack on food is 
spiritual. 

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This will be controversial a 
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today's day and age when you are
fighting cancer, you are 

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battling 3 demonic forces. 
What is something that you found

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to be so key that you're 
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I want to start with one that I 
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head. 
There's a camp that says eating 

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meat is bad for you, and there's
another camp that says plants 

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are trying to kill you. 
So if plants are trying to kill 

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you and meat is bad, what do you
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Solomon, according to God, was 
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he knew everything about 
science, animals, plants, and 

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our body. 
So if that was the case, what he

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ate every day and fed to his 
inner court should be something 

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we pay attention to. 
And here's what the Bible says. 

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Welcome to the Lisa Bevere 
podcast. 

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I am so excited about today's 
episode. 

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We are hosting a pioneer in 
health and fitness. 

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We are hosting the Biblio Diet. 
Now Jordan Rubin, he has been a 

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great friend of John and myself.
When I was actually came down 

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with shingles, I remember I 
called you Jordan and you said, 

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all right, here's what you need 
to do. 

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And you gave me a list and I 
made it my Lisa Bevere here get 

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strong list so I never get 
shingles again. 

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And you just have been a 
blessing to our family. 

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And I am so excited about this 
book, the Biblio Diet. 

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We're going to dive into some of
this. 

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And you know, you've talked 
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And that was one of the first 
time I ever even heard about 

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essential oils. 
I was like, what's what's going 

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on here? 
You wove such beauty into the 

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story. 
And God's goodness. 

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Tell me though, about the Biblio
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Lisa, The Biblio Diet is going 
to help anyone who reads it live

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long, master metabolism, reduce 
pain, fight depression, and 

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conquer cancer with healing 
secrets from the Bible. 

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And I know is is wild as it 
sounds, the book that we read 

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every day could have something 
new for us each time we open it.

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So for me, I wrote The Maker's 
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It's hard to believe, and I 
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for every passage of Scripture 
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beverages and health and 
fitness, but I was wrong. 

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And God has continued to 
illuminate His word. 

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And what's so amazing is if we 
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we'll continue to go from glory 
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So I've even received revelation
that didn't even make it in the 

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book. 
So it's really exciting that God

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hides truths in Scripture for 
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And I believe the Biblio Diet 
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but I think it will help 
believers in Jesus identify with

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a plan that not only helps them 
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illness, but also glorify God in
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You know, I love that so much. 
I love that we got to be at a 

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dinner with you 4 years ago and 
the Holy Spirit was already 

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speaking to you about secrets 
hidden in scripture and you're 

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like Lisa John. 
I feel like I've found some keys

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that you and Nikki were talking.
She was like, I, I feel like God

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is revealing some cures to even 
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people are fighting. 
And you know, Jordan, right now,

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the body of Christ is so unwell.
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message. 
What is something that you found

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to be so key that you're 
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Well, there are so many truths 
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to start with one that I would 
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And I remember I was walking on 
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farm director, Todd, and I were 
talking about positioning A 

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biblical health message that's 
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And how do we answer some of the
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minds because we've never been 
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For example, there's a camp that
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which that's been around for a 
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you and meat is bad, what do you
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People simply don't agree. 
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influences. 
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farm and I said, Todd, I'm 
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passage of scripture that talked
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every day. 
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I go online, check it out. 
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verses 22 and 23 lays out what I
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according to God was the wisest 
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And it says that the kings of 
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feet, gave him so many gifts he 
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And he knew everything about 
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Solomon, who had all the money 
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what he ate every day and fed to
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something we pay attention to. 
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Solomon's daily provisions were 
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Grass fed beef makes good sense.
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of, you know, a little bit of a 
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farmers like myself, but I'm 
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healthy grain, not what we would
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Roebuck, fallow deer, etcetera. 
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a little bit of white meat and 
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So Solomon everyday consumed red
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author today says avoid one or 
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However, in the Biblio diet, we 
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restaurant and get a burger from
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animal feeding operation and 
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white bread made into a bun. 
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God created for food in a form 
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So before I came here, I made a 
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it was not only grass fed beef, 
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because that's my favorite word,
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and some chicken bone broth. 
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carnivore meal, but I got to my 
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whole lot in the fridge. 
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eat organic whole grain 
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Today I ate red meat. 
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Solomon found that something was
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there has to be a reason why 
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And when it comes to bread, 
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bread of life and referred to 
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And the ancient festivals of the
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barley harvest. 
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grains and hybridize them. 
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We can put glyphosate, which is 
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But if we peel back the truth, 
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healthy. 
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know that, but the high priest 
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seven days ate red meat, bread, 
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So this is one example. 
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is the wisest meal on earth, why
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I always like to say science is 
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comes first. 
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people out there and they're 
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Where can I get healthy flour? 
Where can I get grains that are 

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not laced with glyphosate? 
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John in 2000, 2008 in your 
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Home. 
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special store or you have to 
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this resource section in the 
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I'm proud to say that you can 
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get healthy bread and grains 
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I'm talking about grocery 
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I'm talking about club stores 
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We don't just say bread is good.
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sweetener. 
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of how to read the labels and 
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And if you want to compromise, 
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But I would rather you know what
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grains are. 
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heirloom grain in a sourdough 
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who are listening and watching 
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So what do they need to look for
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If it says enriched wheat flour,
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That's a no, and it's really 
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wheat flour, it's still 
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But then it gets even more 
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wheat is sprayed with 
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which is a pesticide, started 
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showing up in 80 to 100% of our 
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organic grains, particularly if 
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because it is a heavily sprayed 
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In the Bible, the grain grains 
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or a sprouted, not 
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they harvested it. 
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Ruth and Boaz, if you peel back 
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see that there's something 
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And when they winnowed the 
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then they let it sit out and 
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moisture would germinate the 
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nutritious and it lowers the 
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grains less toxic or challenging
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Because clearly when you see 
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or Wheat Belly saying how bad 
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follow a Paleolithic diet, you 
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we consumed food thousands of 
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Jacob, and all of the patriarchs
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they ate food in a way that was 
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healthy. 
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is what it is, is simply because
there's a pastor friend of mine,

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you know her well. 
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Lord, but she wrote a fitness 
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foreword. 
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all due respect, you mentioned 
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the paleo diet is basically a 
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It's things that would be 
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And what I said to her is we 
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apes and that were hundreds of 
thousands of years old and CRO 

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magnon man. 
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Christians going and saying I'm 
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And when it came around the time
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know what, we are told to live 
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word biblio. 
It actually doesn't mean Bible. 

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It means book. 
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Bible because the Bible itself 
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the Old Testament and the Brit 
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Testament. 
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somebody made the decision to 
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So when someone says what is a 
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book. 
That's the way we want to live 

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by the book. 
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And I love that you're saying we
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what I've heard is, oh, you've 
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There's no grain in the US 
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I mean, I go to Italy and I eat,
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every single pasta and I have no
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But I come here, I won't eat 
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Very common. 
Spoken, yes, but you're saying I

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can actually go to maybe a 
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other places and as long as I 
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teaching you what to look for in
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going to have no excuse that I 
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olive oil. 
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believe in a little olive oil. 
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Yeah, well, I will tell you I 
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Based on what? 
The preset. 

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do with the kids schedules, we 
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one tablespoon or one ounce of 
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We say, and we will receive 
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upon us. 
And we will be your witnesses in

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Birmingham, AL, Nashville, TN 
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earth. 
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first, press bitter to the 
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I'm not suggesting use a small 
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high priests, meat, bread and a 
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the bread and the cake. 
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days. 
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cleanse because again, most 
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juices, eat all vegan which is 
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and bread. 
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important anointed person on the
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consume bread and meat if it was
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It makes no sense. 
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things, but let's try to get 
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following God's plan could 
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to us. 
Because we're taking him at his 

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word. 
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I've learned that when you 
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blessing that's additional to 
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doing something. 
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obeys their parent, you know, 
you teach them whether we're 

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right or wrong. 
As a parent, you're going to be 

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blessed by obeying us. 
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you heard me say that. 
Yes, and if my grandkids, my 

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grandkids, I don't know, bless 
you and 20 bless you, bless. 

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You need to keep doing the 
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OK? 
You and I both survived cancer. 

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I had cancer when I was 5. 
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Because I know that you have not
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You have survived cancer twice 
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your story because cancer seems 
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associated with hopelessness and
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you have found secrets in the 
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reversed this. 
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somebody who had already written
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overcome cancer to be faced with
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fraternity that nobody wants to.
Be in nobody. 

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And I think when you have heard 
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could look at life as a BC 
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cancer. 
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coached hundreds of people. 
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During their cancer journeys and
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them for the first conversation,
I know if they're going to die 

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or if they're going to conquer 
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I would say switch that flips. 
And I said this earlier today on

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a podcast, Lisa, but to get 
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my story, and this will be 
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I believe in today's day and 
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cancer, you are battling 3 
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And I want you to bear with me 
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No, no, I, I hey, I have. 
Number one, cancer is the name 

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of a disease that could be a 
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could be certain blood cells 
that are growing too fast and 

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malfunctioning. 
It makes no sense to call one 

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name hundreds of different 
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Cancer also happens to be in the
astrological chart, a crab that 

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eats and destroys things kind of
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It's interesting because I'm a 
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say, oh, you're a Cancer. 
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demonic about cancer. 
I believe we will see it as a 

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named demon cancer. 
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with cancer and come into 
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I have cancer, then the spirit 
of fear partners with cancer 

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because we start to say I have 
six months to live. 

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I have nine months to live. 
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We start imagining death, 
leaving our spouse, our 

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children, getting sick and 
withering away. 

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And then the spirit of 
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And I say this with a 
qualification. 

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America has the best emergency 
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If my arm is severed, if I'm in 
a major accident, I'm not going 

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to simply take a homeopathic 
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I'm going to pray and I'm going 
to go get medical intervention. 

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But when it comes to chronic 
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of medicine, think about it. 
A doctor will say you need to be

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on antidepressants for how long 
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Your whole life when it's been 
studied for months not. 

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Even they don't work. 
They do work, Lisa, but they 

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work to block your brain from 
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God. 
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So I don't want to make people 
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many, including myself when I 
was younger, got into this trap 

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of pharmakeia and fear and if 
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cancer. 
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this is not an accident. 
This is an attack. 

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And you're right, I have been in
relationship with friends you 

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have brought to me. 
In fact, I want to brag on Diego

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Mesa because I remember this 
like it was yesterday and I know

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I'm skipping the story. 
No, no, no, all of the. 

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John was at my house and I 
remember this in Florida and I 

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told him I had just overcome 
cancer because when I was 

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diagnosed, I made a commitment. 
I'm going to tell a small circle

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of employees and people in my 
inner circle. 

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I'm not letting my quote UN 
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follow it. 
It was just too much for me. 

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I needed to fight this battle 
with my family. 

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So I'm sitting at the table, 
told John what happened. 

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He kicked me under the she's 
like, Jordan, you should have 

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told me. 
I would have prayed. 

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And I said, John, I was going to
tell you. 

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Right after I fought the good 
fight, I knew God was going to 

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heal me. 
And then the next week he was 

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ministering in Rancho Cucamonga 
and Pastor Diego had been 

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diagnosed with kidney cancer 
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He was told by his doctors that 
the longest lived patient with 

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your condition is 6 years. 
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think 2 weeks ago, which is 17 
years after diagnosis, Diego and

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I were texting and our mutual 
friend that you connected to us 

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recently went and got leaves 
from his trees that he planted 

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because God healed him. 
It was just an it's been an 

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amazing multiplication of 
healing and for the first time 

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in the Biblio diet, I'm sharing 
my cancer healing and writing 

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and I'll get into some of the 
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I was experiencing pain in my 
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I was on a book tour and filming
ATV program. 

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fitness program with 

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professional athletes and I was 
so excited, but I started to 

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lose function and was in a lot 
of pain. 

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I thought I had a hernia, like a
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hernia. 
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said, sure enough, that's what 
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It's presenting as and I went 
for a surgery to repair the 

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hernia outpatient and I woke up 
and the doctor said you didn't 

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have a hernia, you have cancer 
and already coming out of 

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anesthesia, you're a little 
groggy. 

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But I'm seeing my wife and then 
my mom's there in tears and I 

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didn't, she wasn't there when I 
was dropped off. 

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So something happened and the 
doctor said I think we got it 

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all. 
So here I am like I have cancer,

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I don't have cancer. 
What is going on? 

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I'd already written a book on 
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This is nuts. 
And I remember just getting a 

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follow up CT scan, sitting with 
Nikki in the oncologist's 

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office. 
And this is an example of God 

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giving you a gift of faith. 
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see if the cancer was removed or
if it had spread or was 

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metastatic. 
So the doctor comes in with a 

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big envelope and he puts it on 
the desk. 

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Nikki and I are sitting on the 
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And all he says was there's more
to discuss. 

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And then he leaves. 
And I'm thinking he's not coming

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back to discuss how clear I am 
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This is not good. 
But instead of crying, instead 

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of lamenting, instead of 
thinking how am I going to fix 

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this, I had an instant reaction.
I said, Nikki, go guard the 

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door. 
And he's outside getting some 

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files. 
I don't know when he's coming 

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back, but guard the door. 
And Lisa, I put my face on the 

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ground. 
And when I say putting my face 

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before the Lord, I mean, my nose
was touching his carpet. 

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And I said what I did, what I've
done about five times in my 

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life. 
I quoted Job chapter one, verse 

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21. 
I said naked eye came into this 

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earth. 
Naked eye shall return. 

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It is the Lord who gives and the
Lord who takes away. 

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Blessed be the name of the Lord.
And I did that, Lisa, because 

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starting in 1999, there were a 
few circumstances in life that 

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left me breathless or 
incapacitated, Terrible news, a 

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bad circumstance. 
And instead of trying to fix it 

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or wallow in my sorrow, I 
immediately went to God the way 

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that Job did when he lost his 
wealth, when he lost his kids 

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and he lost his health. 
And I feel like while not a 

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miracle process, it's an 
obedience saying, God, I can't 

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do this. 
I'm in your hands. 

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Whatever happens, it's up to 
you. 

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And the doctor had some pretty 
stark prognosis. 

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He said to Nikki and me that if 
you don't get conventional 

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treatment right away, you have a
100% chance of dying in 90 days.

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What? 
Not 85, not 50. 

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Where did they train these 
people 100%? 

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Yes, and and I. 
So he didn't say your best 

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chance. 
Is this 100% chance? 

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If I did not get chemotherapy, a
very invasive surgery which 

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would have cut me like this 
radiation possibly, etcetera. 

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And I said to him, I believe 
God's going to heal me and I'm 

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going to bite this naturally and
supernaturally, meaning I'm 

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going to go do this myself. 
And he said, don't blank with 

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this. 
And the word began with an F. 

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And he said 100 years ago, 
before modern medicine, every 

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man who was diagnosed with this 
died. 

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Every man. 
So we were visibly shaken. 

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He said I could do the surgery, 
but I want you to go to one of 

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the two doctors in the world, 
top doctors in the world, either

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Indiana or Boston, Harvard 
Medical. 

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I pushed it off 3 weeks. 
I went to Harvard Medical, the 

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man who wrote the textbook on 
this cancer diagnosis. 

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And I remember walking in the 
halls of one of the storied 

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universities in the world and 
all Nikki and I could think of 

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as it's like a graveyard in 
here. 

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And the doctor was like the 
Undertaker, Lisa, He said to me,

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I know who you are. 
What are your readers and fans 

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going to think now like? 
That's how he reads and I am so 

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sorry. 
I just knew. 

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That feels like a demonic attack
right there. 

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And I had a blood test which 
measured the cancer marker, and 

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I'd already been really clamping
down on my diet, which was 

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already pretty darn good. 
And I went and got this test and

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it came out worse. 
And so I looked at this piece of

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paper. 
I said, I cursed this in the 

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name of Jesus. 
And Nikki and I with perfect 

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Peace said we are never coming 
back here again. 

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We won't see this man again 
unless there's, you know, some 

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miraculous reason. 
But we're going to give this 40 

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days because God has done great 
miracles in my life in 40 days. 

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And I said to Nikki, I am not 
making natural health an idol. 

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I remember at the time I had a 
four year old son and two 

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adopted infants. 
In fact, Lisa, I was at 

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messenger a month before this 
diagnosis because I remember 

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praying in the office for a 
young lady there. 

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00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,920
And that was on your SO right 
when I was on that podcast, I'm.

448
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,360
Talking about. 
My daughter came with us. 

449
00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:20,680
She was three months old in the 
bus and. 

450
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,960
I'm. 
Remembering it all now, I just 

451
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,480
told Nikki I said I'm not making
natural health and idol if if I 

452
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,720
needed to go with some 
conventional treatment, I'm 

453
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,560
going to do it. 
But I want to see God's healing 

454
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,640
in 40 days. 
And the other thing that you'll 

455
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,000
find interesting, and I just 
shared about this, Nikki and I 

456
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,360
both came to know the Lord in 
Baptist churches. 

457
00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:44,920
Now, I'm Jewish, I'm a Messianic
Jew, so I went to some 

458
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,280
charismatic and Pentecostal 
congregations as a youngster. 

459
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,760
But I settled into a Baptist 
Church and I learned the Word 

460
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,280
and I went through the Bible 
study experiencing God, and I 

461
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,280
was on fire for God. 
But I didn't have a prayer 

462
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,640
language. 
I didn't have what people would 

463
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,520
refer to as the baptism of the 
Holy Spirit. 

464
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,560
And I remember during my 
speaking tour, in fact, I was at

465
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,920
Messenger, and we were all 
praying for a young lady with 

466
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,800
Crohn's disease. 
Oh yes. 

467
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,240
Everyone there was praying in 
the Spirit except me. 

468
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,000
And I was also at Hillsong Color
and thousands of women were all 

469
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,680
praying in the Spirit except me.
And then I was on a Benny Hinn 

470
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,200
stage and every time he called 
for someone to get knocked down,

471
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,080
I moved one seat back. 
That was me. 

472
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,840
I mean, I was at ORU and all the
places. 

473
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,840
So I had a couple come to us 
that my dad knew that we're 

474
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,200
pastors to pray for us. 
And they said, do you want to 

475
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,040
receive the gift of the Holy 
Spirit, your prayer language? 

476
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,360
And Nikki's like, yes. 
And I'm like, OK, you know, I 

477
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:43,240
was ambivalent. 
Of course, you know what 

478
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,160
happens? 
They pray. 

479
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,520
I get it. 
Nikki doesn't. 

480
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:51,000
Oh no, that's just so unfair. 
But it changed something 

481
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:55,000
important. 
Instead of saying I believe 

482
00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:00,040
God's going to heal me, I took 
the Scripture at its word and I 

483
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:05,040
said by his stripes I am healed.
It's going to manifest in 40 

484
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,640
days because faith plus works is
the miracle, right? 

485
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,960
Or as the Bible says, faith 
without works is dead. 

486
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:16,000
So Lisa, I took 40 days. 
I unplugged from work, told my I

487
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,120
had over 200 employees. 
I told them some believers, some

488
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:21,480
not. 
I've been diagnosed with cancer.

489
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,440
God has already healed me. 
He's just going to manifest it. 

490
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:30,400
You can imagine how some of them
took that and I spent 40 days on

491
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,960
my healing physically, 
spiritually, mentally, and 

492
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,320
emotionally. 
I wrote a prayer from scripture 

493
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,160
and from some great teachers 
that I read aloud 3 times a day.

494
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,800
Call it the healing prayer for 
cancer. 

495
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,120
It's in the Biblio Diet book. 
And when I read it, Lisa, 

496
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,160
because it's the word of God, I 
felt like the demons had their 

497
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,440
fingers in their ears. 
I felt like the angels were on 

498
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,840
alert because I was proclaiming 
the promises of God. 

499
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,520
And I would get chills like I am
now. 

500
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,240
Three times a day. 
I worked on forgiving all of 

501
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,920
those that had hurt me from my 
earliest memory and asking God 

502
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,680
to forgive me for the times I 
hurt others. 

503
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,680
It took four days. 
I wrote everything down. 

504
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,440
I would have rather had raw 
green juice or a colonic. 

505
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,920
Believe me that the forgiveness 
stuff is hard. 

506
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,360
I did that and then I was in the
sauna. 

507
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,760
I was consuming the world's 
healthiest foods and I could 

508
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,520
afford it. 
I felt comfortable. 

509
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,320
I was trained for this. 
It was like I was ready for the 

510
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:33,120
challenge and I maintained faith
and peace and even joy. 

511
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:38,320
And everyone in my life who 
talked about cancer or me dying,

512
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,840
I didn't communicate with. 
I shut them out kindly. 

513
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,400
Jesus did that. 
He only brought the ones that 

514
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,320
believe when he went in to raise
a little girl from the dead. 

515
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,040
Yeah, you were. 
You were smart to do that. 

516
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:57,760
Because you can come down fast. 
And I had peace and faith almost

517
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,640
every minute, except for the 
three times when I would get a 

518
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,400
lab test. 
Now, by the way, I didn't just 

519
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,560
forget I was diagnosed and 
pretended didn't exist. 

520
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,680
I found the best. 
Lab I found the best lab. 

521
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,360
The head Dr. personally worked 
with me. 

522
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:18,240
Tested the cancer marker 3 
different times every two weeks 

523
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,240
and then I ordered. 
I had my friend who was a 

524
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,240
medical doctor order the same CT
scan from the same radiology 

525
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,440
center that I had my first scan 
40 days later. 

526
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,680
The radiologist didn't know me 
from anyone, didn't know if I 

527
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,680
underwent chemo or radiation or 
surgery. 

528
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,120
He only knew that this was this,
a test he was going. 

529
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,600
To be. 
And every time the lab director 

530
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,920
called me every two weeks, I'd 
look at my cell phone. 

531
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,520
It was the only time I lost 
faith. 

532
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,080
I would literally shake because 
of how much was at stake. 

533
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:57,160
In the first two week test, my 
markers went down by a factor of

534
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,480
10 and I was praise God went 
from like 280 to 20. 

535
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,160
And he said I tested it three 
different ways. 

536
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,480
And as soon as I praise God, 
doubt crept in. 

537
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,040
And I'm like, well, what if it's
a different way of testing? 

538
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,400
And what if it was a different 
lab? 

539
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,040
But I was encouraged 2 more 
weeks of the program, 12 to 14 

540
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,800
hours a day. 2nd test come in 
the the lab director calls, I 

541
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,880
see it and my hands shaking and 
I'm like God, why? 

542
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,560
Why can't I have more faith? 
And he says, Jordan, I've never 

543
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:29,800
seen this before. 
Your markers are 0000, praise 

544
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,480
God. 
And then Lisa, I'm like, but 

545
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,040
what if it's the wrong person? 
They tested? 

546
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,360
Oh, gosh, it's like walking on 
water and then falling in. 

547
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,080
And then the third test 40 days 
later, which was so crucial 

548
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,680
because two in a row of 0 would 
have been amazing. 

549
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,720
He calls and he says, Jordan, 
it's 0 again. 

550
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,200
I'm so thankful to God. 
But then I decided to look 

551
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,120
online, Lisa, to see can you 
have a zero blood marker and 

552
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,120
still have tumors? 
And I'm saying this because I 

553
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,360
want to be real with people. 
Yeah. 

554
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,640
And I think this is where. 
People are at exactly they they 

555
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:03,840
don't. 
They shouldn't condemn 

556
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,840
themselves for not having this 
superhero faith because I had 

557
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,560
peace and joy, but I would waver
like a leaf when push came to 

558
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,400
shove at times. 
So then Nikki and I celebrate. 

559
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,640
We go out to dinner, I had some 
nice wild fish in Palm Beach 

560
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,000
Gardens at our favorite 
restaurant. 

561
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,400
And then I took my CT scan and 
I'm in there with my nose almost

562
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,920
hitting the roof of that thing. 
You know, us Jewish people have 

563
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,840
a hard time with CT scans. 
So anyway, that's a that's a bad

564
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,600
big nose joke. 
So then I'm. 

565
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,040
So I'm praying in the spirit 
while this thing is the test is 

566
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,800
going on. 
And two days later, because I 

567
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,200
didn't have an oncologist I was 
working with, I was going to get

568
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,160
the results myself. 
And I'm sitting there two days 

569
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,120
later in the morning at my 
kitchen table and I'm holding a 

570
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,280
glass of water and my hand 
starts shaking and I dropped the

571
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,080
glass. 
It explodes all over the floor 

572
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,400
to thousands of pieces. 
And I said, Nikki, you're going 

573
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,360
to have to drive me to the 
appointment. 

574
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,280
I can't, I can't do it. 
This is there was so much at 

575
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,480
stake. 
This was my life, my future, my 

576
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,560
new babies and, and my whole 
life's work. 

577
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:14,360
And I walked into the office in 
the front desk individual had 

578
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,280
this envelope and I knew this 
was my results. 

579
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,600
And so I couldn't read them in 
the office. 

580
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,280
I had to go outside. 
So Nikki and I are standing face

581
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,560
to face. 
I'm holding an envelope, shaking

582
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,520
again. 
And I open it and I pull out the

583
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:32,280
paper and on the front I see 
enlargement tumor lesions and my

584
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,960
head drops and I just, I 
couldn't believe it. 

585
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,520
I was crushed. 
But then I looked at the top of 

586
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,600
the page and it was my original 
diagnosis and I'm thinking God 

587
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,560
has a good sense of humor. 
So I turn the page and I see the

588
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,280
date, which was September, and 
it's normal, normal, normal. 

589
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:55,720
And I, I started crying and I 
dropped the papers and I grabbed

590
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,600
Nikki and I just, I don't want 
to say I couldn't believe it 

591
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,080
because I believed it. 
Just overwhelmed. 

592
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,120
And then I had this thought, 
Lisa, I'm going to make the 40 

593
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,280
best phone calls of my life. 
And I got in the car, Nikki was 

594
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,280
driving me to pick up Joshua 
from preschool. 

595
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,920
And my dad blamed himself for 
this diagnosis because as a kid,

596
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,800
I could have had a surgery when 
I was an infant and he decided 

597
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,000
against it. 
And that is what caused the 

598
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,920
cancer. 
We just didn't know it. 

599
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,199
And so I called my dad and I 
couldn't even really get the 

600
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,000
words out. 
I said, dad, I'm cancer free or 

601
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,320
some version of that. 
And he, you know, exploded with 

602
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,880
emotion, called my mom and I 
just was able to call friends 

603
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,840
and family that we're believers 
and we're not believers. 

604
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,880
And I told them how good God was
and I could hear them. 

605
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,120
Lisa just so relieved, like 
Jordan, I was so scared. 

606
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,760
But if anyone could do it, you 
could do it. 

607
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,840
And I didn't want to tell you 
how nervous I was. 

608
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,840
And and then this is so cool. 
We picked up Joshua, who was 

609
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,120
four years old, from school and 
I didn't know how to tell him 

610
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,000
what God did for me. 
So I said, Joshua, we are taking

611
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,520
you to Toys-R-Us and you get to 
buy any present you want. 

612
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,520
And he knew enough at the time. 
He's like, why? 

613
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,480
Because he asks for presents all
the time. 

614
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,680
And I said, Joshua, God did 
something for me. 

615
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,360
He gave me a gift. 
That's the greatest gift I could

616
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,560
ever ask for. 
And I want you to have something

617
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,560
like that to. 
Celebrate with me. 

618
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,000
And Lisa, since that day and 
this was fall of 2008, I have 

619
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,200
been, I'll say patiently 
waiting, picking my spots, 

620
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,200
sharing a message of health and 
hope when I can. 

621
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,760
God's brought me probably 40 or 
50 people with cancer and other 

622
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,680
health conditions and over the 
course of time, which we'll have

623
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,880
to share about another program, 
God gave my wife Nikki a God 

624
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,680
idea, as she calls it, which 
turned into a word from the 

625
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,800
Lord, which became a message I 
call healing leaves that I want 

626
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,640
to share with the world. 
I give the recipe in the Biblio 

627
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,760
Diet. 
And if someone doesn't want to 

628
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,960
wait to read the book, which is 
just out now, if they go to 

629
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,400
thebibliodiet.com, they can get 
a free chapter which you've read

630
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,960
and you're making what we call 
healing leaves. 

631
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,760
Yes, and I'm drinking it every 
day. 

632
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:16,880
And and you know, my sweet son 
Alec has been so troubled that 

633
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,800
I've had a chronic cough all his
life pretty much. 

634
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:27,280
And so I am consuming the tea 
and I am just believing that I 

635
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,600
will have a praise report on the
other side of this. 

636
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,280
And you know, Jordan, I mean, I 
first of all, I'm so thankful 

637
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,240
for your faithfulness. 
And I believe that through all 

638
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:41,280
of this, God has trained your 
hands for war and your fingers 

639
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,000
for battle. 
And I remember you sharing with 

640
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,840
me and John at the table, you 
said if there was a cure for 

641
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,440
cancer, God would make it 
accessible to everybody. 

642
00:36:55,200 --> 00:37:00,280
He would make it available to 
everybody, not just the sum, not

643
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,480
just owned by the 
pharmaceuticals, but he would 

644
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:09,360
say freely, freely. 
And I love that I've gotten to 

645
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,840
be part of the story and I love 
what's happened. 

646
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,160
And you know, our sweet friend 
that we recently referred you 

647
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,200
to, you know, she just got a 
report back. 

648
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:23,320
The tumor is gone and she's just
now working on believing God for

649
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,160
completely clear lymph nodes. 
And she was, they told her 4th 

650
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:29,800
stage cancer. 
We can't even do surgery on you.

651
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,080
And she pretty much took the 
exact same tact as you did. 

652
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:39,040
And you know, I, I even I even 
want to, you know, say that when

653
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,080
when you say things like I 
believe in 40 days that healing 

654
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,880
is going to manifest. 
People might be like, Oh my 

655
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,040
gosh, that's new age. 
No, for this purpose was a son 

656
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,200
of God manifest that he would 
destroy the works of the evil 1 

657
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,560
and cancer. 
If you ever see what it does to 

658
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,320
somebody, it is so demonic, it 
is so destructive, it is so 

659
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,400
evil. 
I'm glad you're calling it out 

660
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,760
physically, spiritually and 
emotionally because there are 

661
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,240
things that happen in our lives 
that we hold on to and 

662
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:13,640
bitterness and unforgiveness 
that that gives place to the 

663
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:14,920
devil. 
Absolutely. 

664
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:20,760
And I want to tell people it is 
very practical to follow what I 

665
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,600
share in the Biblio diet. 
It's practical to find fruit 

666
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:28,200
tree leaves and put them into 
hot water and make a tea out of 

667
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:29,880
them, which we talk about in the
book. 

668
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,800
And again, we'll give that 
chapter away for free. 

669
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,920
Yeah, I'm thinking everybody 
needs to actually do this. 

670
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,760
Yes, I'm thinking Lisa of a 
friend of ours, Alex Seeley. 

671
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,720
She was diagnosed with cancer. 
It's hard to even remember 

672
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:42,920
because it happened so quick. 
I didn't even know that 

673
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,440
scheduled to meet with her to 
share with her about healing 

674
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,320
leaves, but all I did was send 
her the healing prayer and I 

675
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,600
gave her some assurances on 
something that was going on at 

676
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,120
the time. 
I remember her saying, Jordan, 

677
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,000
on top of this cancer diagnosis,
which was stomach cancer, I've 

678
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,440
got terrible COVID. 
I have chills. 

679
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,880
I have all these things. 
And I said, Alex, I know this is

680
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,120
hard to believe, but the chills 
and the and your body's reaction

681
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,440
to COVID are killing cancer 
cells because that's creating a 

682
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,160
chemical called interferon. 
And she just said, wow, wouldn't

683
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,000
that be just like God to use 
something that would seem to 

684
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,280
attack me to heal me? 
And then I was going to meet 

685
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,720
with her the next week to 
present her the plan. 

686
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,240
And she called me. 
And instead of saying this is 

687
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:29,160
where we're going to meet, she 
says, Jordan, I went back in and

688
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:33,920
got a scan and it is gone. 
And she showed the images at 

689
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,760
church. 
And so there are people that 

690
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,840
don't need a medicine, they 
don't need a supplement, they 

691
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,920
don't need a food, they don't 
need a tea. 

692
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,720
They just need the word of God, 
which is sharper than any 2 

693
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:50,280
edged sword and better able to 
heal than any surgeon's blade, 

694
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,320
doctor's medicine or man's 
recipe. 

695
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,600
And I believe God uses a process
for some. 

696
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:03,200
I believe that Hezekiah used a 
fig poultice on a boil that may 

697
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,200
have been cancer along with his 
faith and he lived 15 more 

698
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,120
years. 
But everyone's path is 

699
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,640
different. 
My goal with the Biblio diet is 

700
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,640
to have. 
God's people armed with tools to

701
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,480
live their best and healthiest 
life and care for their family 

702
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,760
because we need to be the 
world's healthiest people. 

703
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,920
I love what this administration 
is doing, what Bobby Kennedy is 

704
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,600
doing, what some of the best 
doctors. 

705
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,800
The head of the FDA is a 
functional medicine doctor with 

706
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,120
a. 
Background The new. 

707
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:39,920
Surgeon General hopefully will 
be the same, but this healing 

708
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,880
revolution is not their idea, 
it's God's idea. 

709
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,520
And the healing revolution comes
by a healing revelation. 

710
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:53,640
And Revelation 22, Two says the 
leaves of the trees are for the 

711
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,960
healing of the nations. 
And Lisa, when you drink healing

712
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,440
leaves like I do, I hope you 
will join me in saying your 

713
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,680
leaves are for my healing. 
Because there's something 

714
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:07,160
powerful about believing that 
God gave us something for 

715
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,560
healing, even if we don't feel 
better right away, even if the 

716
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,600
symptoms are still there. 
And I got to say that that's the

717
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,840
hardest part I can take. 
I could swallow 50 pills at a 

718
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,280
time. 
If I need to, I can undergo a 

719
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,000
treatment. 
I have a high pain tolerance. 

720
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,800
But it is difficult to forgive 
someone that hurts you, to 

721
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:30,360
unload that bitterness, to 
apologize to somebody, to deal 

722
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,760
with emotional wounds and 
trauma, and to focus on 

723
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,080
following God. 
That's more challenging, but 

724
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,160
much more important than any 
physical thing we can do for 

725
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,160
healing. 
And it's free. 

726
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,880
And all of this is included. 
Yes, yes. 

727
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,280
And I want people to know all of
this is included. 

728
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,600
We're not just like, oh, you 
know, this is just a couple of 

729
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,280
things that, you know, like 
we're repackaging the same old, 

730
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,440
same old. 
No, all of this is included in 

731
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,400
this. 
And we are spirit, soul and 

732
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,920
body. 
And right now, Jordan, this is 

733
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,520
time for the body of Christ. 
You know, I've, I was talking to

734
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,280
so many young people right now 
there, they feel like they can't

735
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,520
get pregnant. 
There's all this stuff going on.

736
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,800
They're hearing, you know, it's,
it's, you know, it's birth 

737
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,880
control pills in the water 
supply. 

738
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,040
It's the abortion pill in the 
water supply. 

739
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,880
And I have been actually praying
over them and saying, we are not

740
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,160
of Egypt. 
We are Goshen and we have a 

741
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,760
promise of God and that children
are his inheritance. 

742
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,640
And so I love that you're 
saying, hey, it is time for for 

743
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,000
the people of God to walk in 
healing. 

744
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:40,040
And it's not health and wealth. 
It is God's principles that he 

745
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:44,480
wants to heal his people because
he wants us to reach more people

746
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,120
with the gospel. 
And he, you know, God loves 

747
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,440
people. 
He loves people that we don't 

748
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,680
even like. 
He loves them so, so and I love,

749
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,400
I love what you said. 
It is, in my opinion, more 

750
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,960
supernatural to forgive people. 
We don't think we that deserve 

751
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:04,600
it than it is to receive a 
healing from God and I love that

752
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,680
you have taken what God has 
taught you and you have 

753
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:14,400
repurposed it for for 
generations to learn from this 

754
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,360
and and you've been consistently
such a servant with what you've 

755
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,120
learned. 
Jordan and I appreciate that you

756
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,520
know you've always been like all
right, Lisa, you need to back 

757
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,160
down your schedule. 
You need to do this. 

758
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,760
You, you always speak to the 
whole person and not just part 

759
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,800
of the person. 
And, and you know, there's 

760
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,880
people out there that may not 
understand what you're saying 

761
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,400
about being filled with the Holy
Spirit, but when we're talking 

762
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,000
about the fullness of God, we're
talking about anything that God 

763
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,760
has for us right now we need and
we are in a spiritual battle. 

764
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,040
And right now, I don't think 
people understand just how 

765
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,840
spiritual things are. 
Even the attack on food, 

766
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,880
spiritual it's, it's crazy. 
And so I I love that you've 

767
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,480
taken the time to write this. 
Well, it's exciting because we 

768
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:07,320
were given the Biblio diet when 
we first appeared on the Earth, 

769
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,240
and I hope for many people will 
be the last diet you'll need to 

770
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:11,920
follow. 
And I know people don't love the

771
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,800
word diet, but I think it's 
important to have an 

772
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,960
understanding of what to eat, 
how to eat it. 

773
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,160
We'll talk about the right dairy
products to eat. 

774
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,960
That salt is actually good for 
you. 

775
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,240
How could it not? 
Because we're referred to as the

776
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:29,960
salt and these principles that 
God put in Scripture, and I call

777
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,720
them secrets, they're only 
healing secrets of the Bible 

778
00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:36,880
because we don't take them at 
their word. 

779
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,280
We sort of look at them in the 
backdrop of a spiritual book. 

780
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,320
But I have learned that the 
Bible has so much more for us 

781
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:50,040
than spiritual guidance. 
And I don't want to downplay the

782
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:54,120
importance of spirituality, but 
at the end of the day, as 

783
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,240
someone who reads the Bible 
consistently every single day 

784
00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:03,360
throughout the year, I find 
revelation when I need it and 

785
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,120
it's new. 
Even if I've read the Bible 100 

786
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,360
times through, which may be the 
case, God speaks to me where I 

787
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,760
am at that appropriate time. 
And so I just want to encourage 

788
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,840
people take God at his word. 
We're going to teach you a 

789
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,320
little bit about eating, about 
farming, about the origin of 

790
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,120
food, about the relevant topics.
Like you mentioned infertility, 

791
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,720
What's the deal with 
microplastics? 

792
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:28,720
And what about ultra processed 
foods? 

793
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:31,680
How do you spot them? 
Why are they in our food supply 

794
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,280
and who's behind it? 
And this ultimately is a book of

795
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:40,800
hope, not a book of criticism. 
And I like to say this, if you 

796
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,880
were at the beginning journey of
a health, a healthy diet and 

797
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,600
lifestyle, great. 
That means you have so much 

798
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,520
improvement to gain. 
Don't feel like you can't get 

799
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,040
started. 
I tell people all the time, the 

800
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,480
only way you get started too 
late is if you wait till 

801
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,880
tomorrow. 
So we want to immediately give 

802
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,280
you tools. 
And as I mentioned, the 

803
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,840
bibliodiet.com has some great 
freebies, especially chapter 14.

804
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,080
You'll learn about a young man 
who was diagnosed with terminal 

805
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,160
bone cancer that was healed. 
Such a hopeful story. 

806
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,720
And I believe Lisa, someone 
listening or watching is going 

807
00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:17,640
to be that next miracle. 
And I, I'm so excited because I 

808
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,200
believe it as much as I believe 
this chair is going to hold me 

809
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,080
up. 
I love that. 

810
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,640
What would you say to the person
that says, oh it's too expensive

811
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,240
to eat healthy? 
What would you say to them? 

812
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,200
There's never been a time where 
it's more affordable, and I 

813
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,840
would say in the Bible, whenever
anybody could afford the 

814
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,720
healthiest foods, that's what 
they consumed. 

815
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:36,840
It was usually the fatted calf 
and some kind of dairy product. 

816
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:41,400
But today, the foods that we 
recommend are so accessible, 

817
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,160
whether it's a farmers market or
a club store like Costco or 

818
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,360
Target or Walmart. 
Never before could we have said 

819
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,640
that now you can find the 
healthiest foods that we 

820
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,800
recommend in the Biblio Diet 
everywhere. 

821
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,080
Of course, you can order it on 
Amazon or whatever, but it is a 

822
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,080
great time to want to be 
healthy. 

823
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:05,640
Even though there's more health 
injustice than ever, there's 

824
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,600
more sickness than ever. 
There's answers right at our 

825
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,160
fingertips, and we're going to 
give you ways to afford them on 

826
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,240
any budget. 
We're going to put all of this, 

827
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:16,720
we're going to link all of this 
in the notes, but I'm just going

828
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:18,760
to say something that Jordan 
didn't say. 

829
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,880
If you think it's too expensive 
to eat healthy, I'm going to 

830
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,960
tell you, you're going to find 
it super expensive to actually 

831
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,280
have the repercussions of the 
sickness. 

832
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,320
You want to take care of your 
health. 

833
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,880
You are worth investing in. 
You are worth worth eating 

834
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,600
healthy. 
And I love this biblio diet. 

835
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,240
As soon as I got my art copy, 
John came home and I was on the 

836
00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:42,640
sofa. 
I was reading it. 

837
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,840
My son had rushed over some 
healing leaves from me. 

838
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,800
And I said, I've got to read 
about this. 

839
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,360
And I remember the testimony 
that you had shared with us, 

840
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,160
healing from bone cancer. 
His father brought him from 

841
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:57,760
another country to be healed. 
And so this isn't Jordan just 

842
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,520
thinking, you know, I need to 
write a book. 

843
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,280
No, this has he's in it like 
Jordan says it. 

844
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,320
This isn't just about a one off.
This isn't like why I'm sick and

845
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,320
I want to get better. 
This is what a lifestyle that 

846
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,000
will sustain you. 
I believe that God wants to 

847
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,440
sustain his people with life and
flourishing health. 

848
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,960
And so I'm I'm super excited 
about the Biblio diet. 

849
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:24,000
Jordan, thank you so much. 
Anything else you want to share?

850
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,000
You go right ahead and share. 
I'm just excited. 

851
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,400
I think people have often said, 
Jordan, you're a health expert 

852
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:35,240
or you're sharing with people 
how to meet and beat their 

853
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,960
nutrient deficiencies. 
And I always like to say I want 

854
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,160
to be an ambassador of hope. 
This is a message of hope that 

855
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,160
anyone who's suffering, anyone 
who has a family member, a 

856
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,680
parent with dementia, a child 
with autism spectrum disorder, 

857
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,160
there is hope. 
There is an answer. 

858
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,400
And best of all, there's a 
healing testimony to the glory 

859
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,720
of God. 
And you have always been that. 

860
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:03,920
I remember meeting you way back 
in 2006 in West Palm Beach, and 

861
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:08,960
you stood up and I was in awe 
because you're not a New Age 

862
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,000
person. 
You are a biblical advocate. 

863
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,440
And you have both the the Jewish
background plus the Christian 

864
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,320
background. 
And God has used you. 

865
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,040
He's anointed you as an 
ambassador. 

866
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,200
And you also set me completely 
free of eating pork. 

867
00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:27,880
Why don't you tell people how 
they raise pigs in the US? 

868
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:32,800
OK, run it for everybody. 
Well, I I learned this in 1996. 

869
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,040
I read a book called God's Key 
to Health and Happiness, written

870
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,760
by a pastor who was dying of 
stomach cancer. 

871
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:44,040
And he cried out, yelled out to 
God holding the Bible, why am I 

872
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,120
dying? 
I've devoted my life to your 

873
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,160
word. 
And God said because you're not 

874
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,360
following it. 
And he read Leviticus 11, 

875
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,640
Deuteronomy 14, where God says 
these are the animals you should

876
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,040
and shouldn't eat. 
He visited pig farms. 

877
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,480
He did some experiments like 
having five pigs stacked 

878
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,840
vertically in cages and fed the 
top pig only, and they all lived

879
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,760
just fine. 
Among many other things 

880
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,040
including large carriers of 
parasites. 

881
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,760
Point being, God created certain
things to be trash cans and 

882
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,480
certain things to be food, filth
and food. 

883
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,000
And in the Biblio diet, you'll 
learn the definition of that. 

884
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,600
And it's tough because people 
love their bacon, they love 

885
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,680
their shrimp and lobster. 
But I love life and health more 

886
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,960
than any quote UN quote 
delicacy. 

887
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:36,080
And it's unfortunate because 
what God calls detestable, the 

888
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,240
world calls a delicacy. 
So you're going to learn some 

889
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:39,840
things that'll ruffle some 
feathers. 

890
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,520
But isn't it better that you 
learn the truth? 

891
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,880
Because the truth, if you follow
it, can set you free. 

892
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,440
I love that so much. 
I, I felt like you had to do 

893
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,120
that since as I was traumatized,
everybody had to be traumatized 

894
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,600
by that. 
One last thing along the issue 

895
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,760
of pork, there's a lot of people
say no, no, when Peter saw the 

896
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,400
vision, that means we can eat 
anything. 

897
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,840
So what would you say to them 
that are like, no, it's OK. 

898
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:06,840
That was just under the law 
because they didn't have 

899
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,840
refrigeration and now we can eat
pork. 

900
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,400
You know you. 
I know you've heard it because 

901
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,120
I've heard that. 
Yeah, I it's unfortunate in a 

902
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:19,600
way that God used a unclean or 
detestable set of animals to 

903
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,880
convince Peter to fellowship 
with Gentiles. 

904
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,320
That's really what it was. 
There's no evidence that any of 

905
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,160
the disciples ever ate anything 
unclean or detestable. 

906
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,560
Obviously the writings of Paul 
talk about not being offensive 

907
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,400
with your dietary choices, and 
if someone's eating this, then 

908
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,200
you should join them as long as 
it's not sacrificed to idols, 

909
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,000
etcetera. 
But here's the bottom line. 

910
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:47,280
The Physiology and anatomy of a 
pig and a skunk and a rat and a 

911
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,920
dog and a cat, which no one 
would dare think of eating. 

912
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,440
It's structured in a way that 
they don't remove toxins from 

913
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,960
their body, they harbour them. 
And when you eat a ruminant 

914
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:03,200
animal like a cow, goat, sheep, 
Buffalo, deer, venison, they 

915
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:07,800
take grass, they make it into 
muscle, pre digest it for us to 

916
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,640
have extreme health. 
And so I'm not telling somebody 

917
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,040
they're going to go to hell if 
they eat pork or shellfish. 

918
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,200
Now I used to joke and say you 
won't go to hell or you'll go to

919
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:19,800
heaven, but you'll get there a 
lot sooner. 

920
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,960
Not such a funny joke but bottom
line we're suffering today and 

921
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:29,160
it's not a big ask or sacrifice 
to avoid pork and shellfish beef

922
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,760
Bacon's amazing and there's 
other fish in the sea as they 

923
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,000
say. 
All I'll ask people to do is 

924
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,520
take God at his word. 
There's really no evidence that 

925
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,320
God changes his mind. 
In fact, the Bible says he's I'm

926
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,880
not a man that I would change my
mind and I'm the same yesterday,

927
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,920
today and forever. 
This isn't a salvation issue. 

928
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,000
This is a heaven on earth issue 
and a stewardship issue. 

929
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,880
And if you want to make your 
body as a living sacrifice, as 

930
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:00,000
Romans 12/1 and then two says, 
even if the world says eat pork 

931
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,240
and shellfish, we need to make 
our bodies as a living sacrifice

932
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,600
and no longer be part of the 
world system. 

933
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,760
And in eating, they say it's 
good. 

934
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:15,000
God says it's bad in the world, 
in marriage, they say don't be 

935
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,680
bound to one man and a woman. 
It's too restrictive. 

936
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,200
You should be able to do 
whatever you want. 

937
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,840
God says marry one man or one 
woman for your whole life, 

938
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,800
finances, you name it. 
So it's no surprise that the 

939
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,760
world celebrates what God calls 
detestable. 

940
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,960
You made a point earlier, you 
said that you can talk to the 

941
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:36,600
people on the phone and you know
who can flip that healing switch

942
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,040
and who can't. 
What would be something, what 

943
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,800
would be a signature trait that 
is going to be a blockage to 

944
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,520
somebody's healing? 
Well, I would say that the way I

945
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,040
know this, it's not a prophetic 
gift. 

946
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,600
It's the fact that death and 
life is in the power of the 

947
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,280
tongue and out of the overflow 
of the heart, the mouth speaks. 

948
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,840
And so when I talk to someone 
and if they talk about I was 

949
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,160
diagnosed with this and this was
my symptoms, I have only six 

950
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,320
months to live and I'm so 
worried because my son this or 

951
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:10,160
that I have cancer, I have this.
It's it's their attitude can. 

952
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,040
You retrain them. 
How to say that differently? 

953
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,000
That's what the healing prayer 
is about. 

954
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,320
And some people who are very 
negative and I have family 

955
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,680
members like this, they would 
say, oh, you're just a cock eyed

956
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,000
optimist. 
You can't just say things. 

957
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,160
This is name it and claim it. 
Well, here's something 

958
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,000
interesting, Lisa. 
I grew up in a Baptist Church 

959
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,200
which was amazing in many ways, 
but I would always hear, avoid, 

960
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,920
name it and claim it doctrine. 
I've heard the same thing. 

961
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,320
Here's the deal. 
Name it and claim it is true 

962
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,640
because I heard someone say 
they're going to die often and 

963
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,280
they did. 
I heard someone say that they're

964
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,680
going to be broke and their bank
account went to zero. 

965
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,440
I heard someone say their kids 
are going to amount to nothing 

966
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,000
and they amounted to exactly 
that. 

967
00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:54,440
And I heard somebody say I'm 
going to lose my marriage and 

968
00:54:54,720 --> 00:55:00,120
they were divorced so we can 
speak death and cause what we 

969
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,880
don't want to happen. 
Why can't we speak in faith and 

970
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,800
watch God line up what His word 
already says? 

971
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,480
I'm not suggesting we talk about
our physical possessions and I'm

972
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:11,880
going to have this and I'm going
to have that. 

973
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,560
But why shouldn't we say that 
I'm going to live and not die 

974
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,200
and share the glory of the Lord?
Why wouldn't we say that? 

975
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,600
He took me out of the miry clay 
and set my feet on the rock and 

976
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,840
gave me a firm place to stand. 
I'll challenge anyone. 

977
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:30,920
If you speak, take life, your 
brain and your body will follow 

978
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,560
what your mouth does. 
It's that rudder, the tongue, 

979
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,640
and it's so small, but it can 
guide a big ship. 

980
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:42,080
And I would tell anybody, change
your words, change your life. 

981
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,120
You're not faking it when you're
repeating God's promises to you.

982
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,160
That is truth. 
You've just believed a lie, 

983
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,000
which is you've got six months 
to live. 

984
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:54,040
It's an incurable disease. 
You'll be on medication forever.

985
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,600
I've seen too many miracles to 
accept defeat. 

986
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:03,200
Wow, well, I hope this gave you 
so much to think about and I 

987
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:07,000
hope each and everyone of you 
are grabbing a copy of the 

988
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,680
Biblio Diet. 
This is not just a diet plan. 

989
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,520
This is about a life plan. 
And John and I have been 

990
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,200
students of Jordan and Doctor 
Axe for a long time. 

991
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:24,000
But we have seen the wonder of 
everything he's telling you. 

992
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:28,160
And so this is the time for you 
to grab a hold of the word of 

993
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:33,360
God, for you to forgive, for you
to release, for you to lay down 

994
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:38,160
some of these mindsets of fear 
and, and worry and begin to 

995
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,120
believe that God has a plan for 
your life. 

996
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:46,880
And I believe that you can live 
long and be strong and, and all 

997
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,400
you have to do is, is make some 
changes to your diet. 

998
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,760
And Jordan, you've made this so 
easy. 

999
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,560
So I, I don't, I don't push 
things I don't believe in. 

1000
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,600
And this is a book that is a 
manual. 

1001
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,560
It it has everything you need. 
There's absolutely no excuse for

1002
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,480
you and your family to not be 
healthy. 

1003
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,520
I know that this has been a 
challenging episode. 

1004
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,960
I know some of you have family 
members who have died. 

1005
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:17,680
But this is not the end of the 
story. 

1006
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,800
And I believe that there is hope
and healing for all of us. 

1007
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,120
And Jordan, you have said so 
much that I'm going to be 

1008
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,080
pondering all of it for a long 
time. 

1009
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,040
Thank you so much for joining 
me. 

1010
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,320
Thank you for having that 
greatly. 

1011
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:30,920
We appreciate it. 
Absolutely. 

1012
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,200
Anytime. 
We'll have to get you back.