1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,280 Mothers that ignore their intuition, they do it at their 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,480 own peril. We need to be aware of the 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,560 things coming into our house right now. 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:14,120 The enemy is constantly attempting home invasions, like 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,600 he is invading with pornography, he is invading with the occult, 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,520 he is invading with perversion. He is constantly trying to get 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,240 us to laugh or partner with things that are not really funny 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,640 to be entertained by things we should be actually exercising 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,479 authority over. When you constantly allow those 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,640 things to come in, it dulls. You, I'm hearing we need the 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,000 Holy Spirit, Holy Spirit for discernment, but there's also 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,400 this spirit of perversion, A Jezebel spirit. 13 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,280 What are these spirits that we need to be aware of and the 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,560 areas they're affecting children, especially today? 15 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:54,640 Yeah. Well, today we're going to be 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,960 talking about something that there seems there is an epidemic 17 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,920 lack of and that is called discernment. 18 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:03,960 Today we're going to be talking about. 19 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:05,920 On all fronts. Discernment, yes. 20 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,920 And you know, women actually used to be known for 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,640 discernment. I think it was Einstein that 22 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,240 said I would rather trust a woman's intuition than a man's 23 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,200 knowledge. That ability to actually discern 24 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,560 something, something doesn't feel right. 25 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:29,160 And I feel like so much of the culture has taught women to 26 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,360 distrust their intuition and their discernment and to lean 27 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:37,640 into factuals or lean into culturals. 28 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:43,040 And we need, we need you and we all need to redevelop and 29 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,640 reconnect with discernment. Yeah, I. 30 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,200 Feel like that carries weight coming from Einstein, too, like 31 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,720 one of the most brilliant men. Yeah. 32 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,120 I'm going to lean into my discernment. 33 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,560 OK well, this is really important, too, because I think 34 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,360 the women are wondering. I want to be discerning for my 35 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,040 home. I want to be protective of my 36 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,200 home in the atmosphere. And today is is Halloween. 37 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,760 It's a day where Christians are like, OK, I feel like maybe I 38 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,039 should be discerning. There's some stuff out there, 39 00:02:10,039 --> 00:02:12,880 but we're not sure what it is. I'm just going to ask you right 40 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,920 off the bat, growing up in the Bevier household, did you 41 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:18,680 partake in the costumes, the candy? 42 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,360 Well, we kind of OK. So to me, there's always 43 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,160 darkness out there. No matter what day it is. 44 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,360 But Halloween becomes this culmination and celebration of 45 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,200 it, which we cannot agree with. We just, we're just not going to 46 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,280 agree with that. We did take our boys to the 47 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,600 Hallelujah nights at the church. We did. 48 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,680 We did dress them up as Bible characters and animals and they 49 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,000 did go to the Hallelujah Hallelujah nights. 50 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,240 That's amazing. Yeah, we did do that. 51 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,160 So, and again, we, we had conversations and, you know, 52 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,560 your husband was born in October. 53 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,280 Yeah. And he was like, I hate 54 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,560 Halloween. This is my birthday month. 55 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,040 He would get so distraught about it. 56 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,240 He's still kind of a little bit upset about that, the whole 57 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,000 Halloween stuff. And I'm like, I'm OK with that. 58 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:05,640 I'm all right with that. Yeah. 59 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:06,480 So we. Yeah. 60 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,120 Yeah. So we, you know, we, we need to 61 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:17,600 be aware that a high holy celebration of evil should not 62 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,280 be a celebration for the Christians. 63 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,520 But I think for us it was more like our kids are not going out 64 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,320 trick or treating. So we're going to take them to 65 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,040 the church and they'll be a petting zoo. 66 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:29,760 That was basically the trade off. 67 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,480 And there's. More dangerous right now with 68 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,440 like what's in the candy and where are they going? 69 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,480 So it's probably just safer. If anyone's watching this maybe 70 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:37,800 not go trick or treating tonight. 71 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,080 Go to your church. But you're picking up, you know, 72 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,400 we're talking about discernment and I want to know. 73 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,840 OK, so as a mom, not just on how Halloween, but through your your 74 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,040 years of raising children, what are some things that you 75 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,920 learned? I need to have a discernment of 76 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,000 this spirit of this notion. And what would you encourage 77 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:00,920 other moms to to be aware of? Yeah, well, and again, like we 78 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,760 need to be aware of the things coming into our house right now 79 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:10,600 are when I was writing The Fight for Female, I literally told, I 80 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,960 literally wrote that the enemy is constantly attempting home 81 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,320 invasions. Like he is invading with 82 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,920 pornography. He is invading with the occult, 83 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:23,840 he is invading with perversion. He is constantly trying to get 84 00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:27,600 us to laugh or partner with things that are not really funny 85 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:33,000 to be entertained by things that we should be actually exercising 86 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,320 authority over. Like we need to have an 87 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,520 awareness. And again, when you constantly 88 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,920 allow those things to come in, it dulls you. 89 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,880 It dulls you to the real things that are going on. 90 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,200 So discernment is a gift of the Spirit. 91 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,720 It's a gift of the Spirit. And I think that we can get so 92 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:58,240 busy taking other stuff in that we lose a sensitivity and a 93 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,800 discernment of the Holy Spirit. So, you know, I, I was doing 94 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,760 some questions and answers and somebody said, would it be OK 95 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,160 for me to ask God to give me the discerning of spirits? 96 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,480 And I would say, yes, yes, please, please, all of us. 97 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:19,680 Because right now there's stuff that will will start like John 98 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,960 will start to watch his show and I'll be like some something 99 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,400 feels like it's about ready to not be OK. 100 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:32,280 And sure enough it it'll happen. And so we do not want to partner 101 00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:34,560 with those kind of things because when we partner with 102 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,280 those things, we have a familiarity with them. 103 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:39,840 We have a familiarity with it. It actually breeds a contempt 104 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:42,760 for the things that are holy and set apart for God. 105 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,440 So discernment with our kids is a beautiful thing. 106 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,000 Like you, you talked about in a previous episodes about having a 107 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:56,560 dream the Azariah had a fever, but see, you're his mother and 108 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,840 he actually, his DNA is still in you. 109 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,040 So you're actually connected to him in ways that you don't even 110 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,720 know that you're connected to him. 111 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,880 I remember seeing a shadow on one of my sons and I started to 112 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,120 pray and I was like, I his countenance, his countenance 113 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:18,760 just seems shadowed. And I said, I don't, you know, 114 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,200 are you OK? And it was like, yeah, mom, 115 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:21,920 fine, don't you know, don't bother me. 116 00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:25,240 And and he, he just couldn't look me in the eyes like normal. 117 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,040 He, there was something that felt off. 118 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,840 So I remember I was driving in the car and I was like, God, I 119 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:32,760 do not know what's going on with my son, but I know that 120 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,800 something has shadowed him and shamed him. 121 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,560 And I, I want that thing exposed. 122 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,320 And I, I swear I was, I went and got my hair cut, colored or 123 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,760 whatever I was doing back then. And I'm driving back and John 124 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:53,800 calls me and he said, Lisa, our, our computer broke and I had to 125 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,520 bring someone in to repair it and they found history or 126 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,160 pornography on the computer. And John said, I, I think it's 127 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,760 this one son. I said, no, no, it's not him. 128 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,080 I said, I know who it is. And he was like, what? 129 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,000 I said I, it's, I know who it is. 130 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,080 And he said, well, that's interesting. 131 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,120 He was hovering around the computer guy and I said, you 132 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:15,360 know what, we're going to rescue him. 133 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:17,960 We're going to rescue him. We're not going to shame him, 134 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,160 we're going to rescue him. And they said we're going to 135 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,640 entrap him because I am Sicilian and I said so. 136 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:28,680 So we pulled one of our other sons in and we said this is 137 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,680 what's going on. Will you be party to this? 138 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,680 And he said yes, I'll do that. So we pulled the son in that 139 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:40,520 somebody had just shown him some things on the computer. 140 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,680 They were working on a school project, just working, and we 141 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,080 had all the little filter things that we knew to have on it at 142 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,040 the time. We kept our computer in the 143 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,600 kitchen, but they took it down to the basement to print. 144 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:59,480 And I just remember we took the son who was at risk and we lied 145 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,760 to him and we said, hey, we think so. 146 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,720 And so saw pornography and he's afraid to tell us. 147 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:08,600 And he's feeling shame right now. 148 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,160 And we're just, we're so concerned. 149 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,080 And the sun that had been exposed burst into tears and 150 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,360 started weeping and said, it's not him, it's me. 151 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,560 And we said, we know, baby. We know. 152 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,720 And you know what? We're going to do communion. 153 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:24,360 And we're going to walk with you. 154 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,160 And that shadow will no longer have a sway over your life. 155 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,960 And we need to discern what's going on. 156 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,240 And then we need to understand that we're not wrestling with 157 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,360 our children, but we're wrestling with an enemy who 158 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,960 wants to darken their understanding, who wants to 159 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,760 entrap them in shame, who wants to entrap them in judgement. 160 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:48,280 Hey, I am so excited the Fight for Female Reclaiming our Divine 161 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:53,360 Identity book is now available. I am so excited that you can get 162 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:58,040 your hands on this message. It is filled with practical 163 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,080 wisdom and conversation. So many people are like, Lisa, 164 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,000 thank you so much. I didn't know how to say or what 165 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,000 to say and so I'm hearing the reviews. 166 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,040 Super exciting. You can grab your copy today on 167 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,880 Amazon. The Mama hears the story of your 168 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,120 son battling the shadow, that darkness, and thinks that's too 169 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,200 terrifying. I'm not spiritually equipped 170 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,560 enough for that. Can you just empower her, that 171 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:23,920 one? She's not alone because God is 172 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,920 able, and God loves our kids even more than we do. 173 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,640 Yeah, but God is able when we are incapable and and that's the 174 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:37,280 whole thing is God is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all 175 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,040 that we can ask, hope, pray or believe. 176 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,360 We look at our self and our inability and we think that 177 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:44,880 God's going to only work with us. 178 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:50,560 And God's like, if you ask, I will exceed you know, I, I love 179 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:55,760 how the book of Jeremiah says, before you even ask, I will 180 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,920 answer and I will show you great and mighty things that you know 181 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,320 not of. But God is always asking us to 182 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,040 ask. I I love that Jesus says, ask 183 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,480 that your father would be glorified. 184 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:15,440 And so I think too many of us are tempted to pray the problem 185 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,040 instead of praying a much larger world and answer for our 186 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:20,680 children. You know that our children are 187 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:23,280 disciples, taught of the Lord and great is their peace and 188 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:28,360 undisturbed composure that we pray a framework that gives them 189 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,640 freedom of movement. Too many people are like, oh 190 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,560 God, just save my kids from the bad world. 191 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:35,000 Instead of saying I thank you that my children are 192 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,560 ambassadors, I thank you that my children are disciples. 193 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:42,400 I thank you that my children are for signs and wonders and not 194 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,080 for death and destruction. And again, praying a larger 195 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:49,560 dreams, praying bigger like, you know, it's like us Christian, 196 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,440 how many times have you gone into prayer with a problem? 197 00:10:54,680 --> 00:10:58,320 And then you have a revelation of a God who is more than able 198 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,200 to do exceeding abundantly. And, and the thing that you 199 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:09,320 brought as as a problem, you see the larger answer of who he is 200 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,720 and maybe what he's doing through that process. 201 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:17,000 And again, we have to be so aware that the enemy is working 202 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:22,000 overtime to tell our children that they are victims, that they 203 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,360 are traumatized, that they are lacking, that they are less 204 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,640 than, that they are, you know, divided houses. 205 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,120 And it's not because our children are victims, it's 206 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,120 because they're threats. And we need to constantly say 207 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,880 that over our kids. You're not a victim, you're a 208 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:39,840 threat. You're going through hardship, 209 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,320 not because you're weak, but because it's going to make you 210 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,360 strong. And and again, you know, I, I 211 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:51,960 love positioning my grandkids with stories of our struggles. 212 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,000 They think, Oh, you and G daddy, you know, you've always been on 213 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,480 a stage writing books. No, no, laying our hands on 214 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:03,480 calendars, asking God to open doors, asking God to give back 215 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,040 love when we felt like our marriage was just going through 216 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,800 emotions. God is able so to that mom that 217 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:14,600 feels she is incapable, she has no margin, that she's not 218 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,800 getting enough self-care or whatever it is, God is able. 219 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,400 But you do need to ask. I was, I was sharing with 220 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,560 another minister that there are certain things in the spirit 221 00:12:25,560 --> 00:12:29,280 that have a calling voice. They have spirits attached to 222 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,680 them. Like when I was a little girl, 223 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:37,520 my parents, I, if I babysat my brother, I had the big privilege 224 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,000 of sleeping in my parents bedroom and they had ATV in 225 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,360 their bedroom. It was like the coolest thing 226 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:42,640 ever. Like ATV in the bedroom. 227 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,040 I could sleep in a king size bed. 228 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,240 They'd wake me up when they came home and I remember I was 229 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,400 watching a show and then all of a sudden I just felt like I need 230 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,400 to look at a drawer. And I started looking at the 231 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,680 drawer and all of a sudden I felt like I needed to go open 232 00:12:52,680 --> 00:12:55,040 that drawer. And I go and open the drawer And 233 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:56,560 then I felt like there's just closed. 234 00:12:56,560 --> 00:12:59,680 And I felt like, no, you need to lift up that pile. 235 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:08,040 And I lifted it up and there was pornography and it had called to 236 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:13,040 me from a drawer. And I just want to say if if 237 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:17,120 you're seeing a shadow on your children, if you're seeing 238 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:21,480 something, trust your mother intuition. 239 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,360 Now, I was such, I was such an outspoken child, my parents. 240 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,520 The next morning I was like, what the heck is this doing in 241 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,200 his house? I pulled it out. 242 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,200 I was like, what is this, you know? 243 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,200 Out of the mouth of babies, yes, and. 244 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,760 I was like, I'm horrified by this behavior and they threw it 245 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,120 away. But but your children, your 246 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,200 children, God has given you discernment. 247 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:48,480 But if you do not trust that discernment, if you push it 248 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,480 aside, if you allow fear to come in, but you do not allow the 249 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,440 Holy Spirit to lead, you're going to lose. 250 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,640 You're going to lose some of your pathways on that. 251 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,600 OK, I'm hearing we need the Holy Spirit, Holy Spirit for 252 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,480 discernment. But there's also this spirit of 253 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,760 perversion. There's perhaps a Jezebel 254 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:07,840 spirit. We've heard that. 255 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,800 What are these spirits that we need to be aware of and the 256 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,160 areas they're affecting children, especially today? 257 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:15,880 Yeah. Well, and whenever we go into 258 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,560 spiritual warfare, we want to make sure we do not have an 259 00:14:18,560 --> 00:14:20,040 alignment with the thing we're fighting. 260 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,120 And you know, when John and I were, I had just had my second 261 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,040 baby. And every other week we were 262 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,360 being threatened to be fired. I mean, every other week. 263 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,240 It was just like I was part. Of having a baby. 264 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,640 Right while I was pregnant and then right after I had the baby 265 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:45,360 and one of the particular women that she was this, she was 266 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,720 married to the executive pastor. We're at the copying machine and 267 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,640 she just looked at me and she said things are going to change 268 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,920 around here because I sleep with the big guy. 269 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:59,000 And I just, I just stood there like what what did she just say 270 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,200 to me? I sleep with the big guy. 271 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,360 Is she saying my husband's going to get fired? 272 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,600 And she was after my husband and I thought she is going to 273 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:13,360 sexually manipulate her husband until he fires my husband. 274 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:18,120 And that was confirmed. And so I remember I had, you 275 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,200 know, I was awesome, was sleeping in a cradle in our 276 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,600 room. And I had such a sense like wake 277 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,600 up and I was leaned over his cradle and I realized he was 278 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,160 asleep, but yet I was widely awake. 279 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:33,880 And I had such a sense God was like, go pray. 280 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,080 So I'm walking in circles. We have no furniture, so it's 281 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,720 moonlight coming through the windows, walking in circles. 282 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,280 I'm praying everything I know to pray. 283 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,440 I'm coming against witchcraft. I'm calling her out by name. 284 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,640 And all of a sudden I, and I probably was praying for, I 285 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,480 don't know, 10-15 minutes, just walking in circles, praying in 286 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,680 the spirit, praying scripture. And all of a sudden I felt like 287 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:57,880 somebody had walked into the room. 288 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:02,320 I thought I woke up John. So I open up my eyes and all the 289 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:07,840 sudden I see a 14 foot like hologram of a woman. 290 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,360 But this is back before there were holograms, or at least I 291 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,920 didn't know about them. And she looked like a cross 292 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:17,880 between Jezebel and Cleopatra and she looked like a cross 293 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:23,040 between Cleopatra and Amazon. And and she was magnificent. 294 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:30,400 She was strong, she was fierce, she was beautiful, but she was 295 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,920 angry. And I realized in that moment 296 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:39,680 that I was wrestling with the Jezebel spirit that this was not 297 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,520 just witchcraft. This was something that hated 298 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:48,920 repentance, hated holiness, had its own profits that were fed 299 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,000 from its table. And I just was like, it was 300 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,480 just, it was like the revealing. It was like an A pulling back of 301 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,760 a curtain where I saw an entity didn't try to engage me, didn't 302 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,000 chase me around the room. I prayed, went to bed, got up 303 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,760 the next morning, woke up and thought, why was that in my 304 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,560 house? What was that doing in my house? 305 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,599 And I heard renounce any sympathy you have towards the 306 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:14,960 spirit. As I said, Father, I renounce 307 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,880 any sympathy I have towards a Jezebel spirit. 308 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,880 And then I thought, have I done something? 309 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:29,360 Have I done something wrong? And the truth is, Christian, I 310 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:33,560 get upset when people attack my boys, my husband, my daughter in 311 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,800 laws. Nobody's gone after my 312 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,120 grandkids. But that would also be 313 00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:42,520 upsetting. My friends and I had written a 314 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:46,160 letter about what this woman had said to me. 315 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:51,760 I had decided I was going to expose the toxic culture in this 316 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:57,280 church to the senior leader. And I remember Jezebel wrote a 317 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,400 letter and but I was like, I'm not stealing you, but he's a 318 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,520 vineyard. And I was like, you're 319 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,400 controlling an outcome. He said, I'm doing a deep work 320 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,960 on your husband and you are getting in the way. 321 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,560 Tear up the letter. And John came home and I told 322 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:18,800 him what happened and we prayed. See, we're in a spiritual battle 323 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:24,280 and what we're wrestling with is bigger than we can do in our 324 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:28,000 human strength. And so we need to humble 325 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:33,560 ourselves, submit to God, resist the devil, and then he will 326 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,000 flee. So the first posture again of 327 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,360 any spiritual warfare we know is humility. 328 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,360 Humility. And so I, I do feel like there's 329 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:45,360 always that counteraction. There's the the loud woman and 330 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:49,600 then there's wisdom, there's the adulterous, and then there is 331 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,240 the woman of virtue. And so we always have to make 332 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,040 choices as women. Which one are we going to 333 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,000 embrace the council of? And we need to discern which one 334 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,800 is speaking at any given moment. So, you know, when you when you 335 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:07,760 hear Jezebel, we think about oh, Ahab's wife and makeup and, you 336 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,080 know, being tossed out the window by eunuchs. 337 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:15,280 But it's not an individual. And the truth is, it's not even 338 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,400 attached to a gender. It is Jezebel actually means 339 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:24,600 it's the spirit represents the inability to cooperate or work 340 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,600 together. It it is it is after its own 341 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,040 motivation. It is after its own agenda. 342 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:36,520 And we actually see a type of it when we look at the the whore of 343 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:41,880 Babylon, we see this idea of I'm I will be a queen. 344 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,320 And then God's like, well, actually, this is what's going 345 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,120 to happen. And so there's again, that 346 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:53,280 imagery of a woman who is conniving, who is crafting and 347 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,520 cruel. I mean, Jezebel falsely accuses 348 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:03,880 a innocent man, hires people to to denounce him publicly. 349 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,760 To get what she wants. And I feel like we can look at 350 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:12,520 our culture right now and we can see that craftiness and cunning 351 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:18,920 and under underhanded and undermining and rebellion is 352 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:23,160 more rewarded than wisdom. I mean, we look at the Proverbs 353 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:27,440 31. She opens her mouth with wisdom 354 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,440 and kindness, and we don't see that often. 355 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,800 We see a lot of anger and we see a lot of scheming now. 356 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,280 This is probably going to be tough to hear and it's tough to 357 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:45,720 say as moms, but sometimes what you're saying is we want to 358 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,080 control the narrative. We want to completely protect 359 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,560 our kids from ever experiencing anything, which is, you know, a 360 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,720 good desire, but. Wouldn't that be wonderful? 361 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,000 Oh my goodness, I know we can just go to Never Neverland. 362 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,120 What do you call it with your voice? 363 00:20:58,280 --> 00:20:59,960 I used. To tell my voice, I used to say, 364 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,600 let's go to mommy baby world where the boys, the babies never 365 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:04,880 grow up and the mommies never grow up. 366 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,360 If you know the map, let me know because I will go there right? 367 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:12,000 Yes, I couldn't find it. But in that heart posture, we 368 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,640 can get to that place of wanting to control so much. 369 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,080 So you actually wrote about this. 370 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:20,280 And to me it was like, sorry, no, in a good way. 371 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,080 In a good way. We can't just protect our kids 372 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,920 from everything, but we can prepare them. 373 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,160 We can show them that awareness. We can't model it. 374 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,880 What's the importance and how do we cultivate an atmosphere in 375 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,480 our home where our children are prepared, they're aware and 376 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,120 they're inspired to continue in the way. 377 00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:43,280 I mean, you have 4 grown men now, but four boys that 378 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,600 continued in the way of faith. To me, that means that there 379 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,840 must been an atmosphere that they were allowed to grow into 380 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,640 and were inspired to continue in. 381 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,120 How do you do it? Yeah, I mean, it wasn't gentle 382 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:56,400 parenting. I know that. 383 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,920 I know that. I'm always like, I mean, I and I 384 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:04,800 do think there's so much pressure on parents right now to 385 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,880 do everything perfect. And there's all of these 386 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,960 different thought patterns of this is what parenting looks 387 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,640 like now. This is what parenting looks 388 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:18,720 like now. And yet we act like our wisdom 389 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,560 is better than God's wisdom and having clarity and telling your 390 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:28,080 children that you're there not to be their friend, but to be 391 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,600 their instructor, that there is commandments that come from the 392 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,000 father, that there is instruction that is dissimilated 393 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,880 from the mother. That you hope that one day you 394 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,680 guys will be friends. But right now your job is to 395 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:47,840 train them to love God, to love people, to honor God and, and to 396 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,000 honor each other. And so, you know, for us, it was 397 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,480 it was a journey of consistency. It was a journey of can't, you 398 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,400 know, is if, if I say this, will I follow through with this? 399 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,600 And you know, I even remember my boys. 400 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,800 You know, my boys, I'm sure they would laugh about this. 401 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,280 I remember Arden saying something to me at one point 402 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,280 because, you know, your husband Arden is, is the biggest of all 403 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,080 of the boys. And he asked me one time, way 404 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,360 before I met you, he said, were you ever big? 405 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,840 And I said, what, what does that even mean? 406 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,600 He said, I always just thought you were big. 407 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,360 And you know, people make fun. And because even when I speak, I 408 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:25,280 will do things like this. And I think it was having four 409 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,560 boys. I'm like, I am bigger than you. 410 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,160 Even if I'm not, I am going to give this like impression. 411 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,320 Like when a bear attacks, I'm like bigger. 412 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:41,040 But I would told my boys, I said I will be led by the Spirit, I 413 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,640 will follow God's direction. And I told them if you do 414 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,480 something wrong, I will catch you. 415 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,640 And they were like, mom, you don't really know what you're 416 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,640 talking about. I'm like, I did everything 417 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,920 wrong. There is nothing you can do that 418 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,760 I will not catch you doing. And one of the things, and this 419 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,280 is so simple, it's so simple. One of the things I made the 420 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,480 boys do, no matter what time they came home, if I was in bed, 421 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,280 they had to come in and kiss me. And the reason I had them come 422 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,120 in and kiss me was so I could smell them. 423 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,520 And if they smelled like alcohol or if they smelled like smoke or 424 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,160 if they were chewing gum when they came in, I would say we're 425 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,440 going to have to have a talk tomorrow. 426 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,760 And I just think too many people don't even do the practical 427 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,520 things. And so, you know, I just 428 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,120 practical things with your kids, smell them, smell them when they 429 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:27,240 come in. Make sure your kids come 430 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,760 understand that you're going to be watching then you're going to 431 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:31,880 know when they're going to come in. 432 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:38,120 If you're not comfortable with one of their friends, you have 433 00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:39,640 the right as a parent to say I'm not. 434 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,520 I'm not comfortable with you going to their house. 435 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,160 I'm not comfortable that person come to our house, but that that 436 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,080 means we're going to have more people around and you're going 437 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,600 to stay. We're going to do something as a 438 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,720 family during that time. Mothers that ignore their 439 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,480 intuition, they do it at their own peril. 440 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:59,440 Intuition means inward tutor. It means God is speaking to you 441 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:01,520 so that you can protect your kids. 442 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,920 I can't even tell you how many times I would just go out into 443 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,960 the backyard. I would stop everything I was 444 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,040 doing and I'd run into the backyard and be like a child 445 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,200 falling out of a tree. I'm not even joking. 446 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,480 And I'd be there just in time to catch them. 447 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,880 So the things that happened in the physical happen in the 448 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,560 spirit as well. So as mothers, we cannot be 449 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,000 silent, we cannot be shy. I think that's what a lot of 450 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,560 people are afraid of or not. I mean, when we have the, the 451 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,040 pronoun conversations and there's so much where we just 452 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,560 don't want to say it wrong. But I I hear the wrongest thing 453 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,120 would be to not do anything, to not have the conversations. 454 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,800 Yeah, you guys were a ministry family from when the boys were. 455 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,320 Young We talked about everything with our boys. 456 00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:43,640 They saw the positive, but did you bring them into like when 457 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,840 you saw the Jezebel, Amazonian, Cleopatra woman? 458 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,520 Is that something that you talk through with them? 459 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,880 No, no, because, because this is the first might have been 460 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,160 written on it. No, I did not because they were. 461 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,640 Madison was three, maybe 2 1/2. Well, how did you introduce them 462 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,000 into the spiritual? And so they weren't fearful, but 463 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:05,920 they were prepared. Yeah. 464 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,480 So we would take our kids with us everywhere. 465 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,160 I mean, we took our four kids to Indonesia. 466 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,800 I'm looking back and I'm like, what were you thinking? 467 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,840 We would debrief with them and we would say, you know, John 468 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,360 would talk to them about, hey, during the altar call, did you 469 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:22,280 see that? Did you hear that? 470 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,800 What were you sensing? We would we would try to 471 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,720 develop. We brought them into prayers 472 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,440 with us. We brought them into services. 473 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,680 My kids were not stuck into random church that I didn't know 474 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,480 the people in the I don't I'm not just going to throw my kids 475 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,920 into nursery or this is my first time at a church in the state 476 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,400 that I I'm not from country. I sat. 477 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,360 Oh yeah, Indonesia, definitely. I sat, I sat with my kids during 478 00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:51,720 the services and we talked about things afterwards. 479 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,200 They asked us questions during after Sunday morning service, 480 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,480 our boys, we would debrief like what spoke to you today? 481 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,560 What didn't, what was confusing, what didn't speak to you? 482 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,080 Do you have any questions? And they would always engage in 483 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,880 conversations. We didn't criticize the pastors 484 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,600 presentation. We asked them what did you 485 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,520 understand? What did you not understand? 486 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,800 And and they always were very insightful. 487 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,880 And so actually, to be honest with you, it says in scriptures 488 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:26,680 who through constant use have their senses exercised to 489 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:32,240 discern good from evil. You want to actually tell your 490 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,720 children what they're sensing isn't wrong. 491 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,680 You need to have them have conversations about it. 492 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,120 And to every single Mama, their what you're sensing. 493 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,640 What you're sensing isn't wrong. Just make sure you have the 494 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,040 right response to it. It's not a fear response, it's a 495 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,560 constructive response. I love in chapter 13 when you 496 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:57,040 talk about the fight for female heroes, you say this world needs 497 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,400 women who are strong and able in faith rather than women who are 498 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,200 weak and steeped in their fears. And I know speaking personally, 499 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,280 but I'm sure I can attest to someone else watching. 500 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,760 I don't want to be a mom who's too scared or as we were saying 501 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,560 earlier, too distracted to know how to fight for my children, 502 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,280 fight for my husband, fight for my home. 503 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:21,200 I also am aware of in this time of doing so much. 504 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,360 Or maybe the mom that doesn't have help or is exhausted and 505 00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:27,680 thinks I want to go to war for my children but I have like 5 506 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,680 minutes before they wake up. How would you empower her to 507 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,800 really advocate and protect her children, even in the busy 508 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:40,000 seasons or the hard times? Yeah, I feel like God works with 509 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,440 your rhythms. I mean, if I mean my children, I 510 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,680 don't even know if they would be any kind of Christians if they 511 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:46,880 had to defend on me in the morning. 512 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,520 I mean, I mean, John is the morning person. 513 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,000 God understands what mothers need to do. 514 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,320 Like I when I first, you know, like you're, you're getting 515 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,120 ready to have your second baby. I remember, you know, getting up 516 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,200 at 2:00 AM, getting up at 6:00 AM and just maybe falling back 517 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,720 asleep while I was breastfeeding my second baby. 518 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,160 And the first baby wakes up and you just feel like your, your 519 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,280 whole day, you're behind and then you're not reading your 520 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,240 Bible in the morning and you're breastfeeding and you're 521 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,080 changing diaper. And then your, your husband 522 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,800 comes in from prayer at 7:30. And I used to think God is gone, 523 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,160 God, God's gone from Orlando. He's left, he left at 8. 524 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,720 He's like Lisa, it's 8:00 AM Sorry, you know. 525 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,960 Got to go to Central. You hopefully you can make this 526 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,360 happen tomorrow, But he worked with my rhythms and he worked 527 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,320 with what I was going through with my life as a mother. 528 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,640 He worked through me praying with my kids at night. 529 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:44,360 He worked with me having an atmosphere of, to be honest with 530 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,880 you, pray, prayer and worship throughout the day. 531 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,880 And when I might be doing something in the kitchen or 532 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:59,440 doing laundry and I felt the presence of God on a song or I 533 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,240 sensed the Holy Spirit calling me to pray. 534 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,760 I dropped the laundry basket and I hit my knees and I would just 535 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,600 say that whatever that prayer was in that moment and I modeled 536 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,760 something different than what John modeled, it doesn't make 537 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,440 his wrong. Him getting up very disciplined, 538 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,320 you know, doing I'm going to do this for an hour. 539 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,880 Do that for an hour. But I modeled this ability to be 540 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,520 a little bit more free flow. When you have children, you got 541 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,200 to drive them to school, you got to pick them up. 542 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,840 You've got to do all these different things that you can't 543 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,800 be like, well, I was in the spirit and I, I forgot, you 544 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,800 know, so God can work through that. 545 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:42,680 There's so many times I'd be in the car with Arden and we'd be 546 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,600 listening to worship music and we'd both be singing and the 547 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,400 presence of God would fill the car. 548 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,480 And then I'd stop and I'd look at him and I said, did you sense 549 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,720 the presence of God? And he would say, yes, yeah. 550 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:03,120 Just seizing those moments and not missing them is so crucial. 551 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,560 But I, I did. I had worship music going. 552 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,160 I mean as soon as I got up till I went to bed basically. 553 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,360 I feel like the mistake is when we think that ministering is 554 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,720 mother's is the same as ministering to a congregation. 555 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,920 It's so different and you have to be ready. 556 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,400 I mean, we try to do when there's not Pooh Bear playing, 557 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,000 we'll do worship. He does like honey. 558 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,640 He does. But we sing Jesus loves me every 559 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,760 night and I love hearing like the Jesus a lot like the not 560 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,480 even being able to say the words, but knowing he's saying 561 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,360 that and he has an awareness and it's. 562 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,560 We did the whole Michael Kard sleep sound in Jesus, you know, 563 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,400 like we would sing at least three. 564 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,120 But I did create a lot of elaborate putting my kids to bed 565 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:54,680 where we prayed, we read, we sang, you know, it was it was it 566 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,560 was an enormous amount of time. Joe would be like, are you still 567 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,240 putting the kids to bed? I mean, it kind of came back to 568 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,120 bite me, but I, I look back and I'm glad because those were the 569 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:10,320 moments that really anchored my children in the presence of God. 570 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,760 And I remember Addison being a baby and just lifting up his 571 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,480 hands and saying, I worship by you God. 572 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,120 I worship by you. He come by and glorify and 573 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,960 worship. And it was just, I was like, 574 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,080 Jesus, you were looking at this child who is worshipping. 575 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,200 I remember Addison saying to me, why did Jesus have to die? 576 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,400 Why could an Angel not have died for my sins? 577 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,240 I mean, he was probably three. I was pregnant with Austin, so 578 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,600 he wasn't even 3 yet. So conversations that are sacred 579 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,880 can happen when you're laying on the floor amidst Legos, because 580 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,360 that's when that one happened. At dinnertime. 581 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,000 We would have conversations at bedtime when my boys are coming 582 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,120 down from their day, where they processed any pain they went 583 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,520 through, any shame they went through, any confusion they went 584 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,000 through. They didn't want to necessarily 585 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,240 do it when they walked in the door from school, they wanted it 586 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,920 to be over. But when they were going to bed, 587 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,840 they were ready to unburden their soul. 588 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,160 And I, it wasn't every night, but I tried to make myself 589 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,560 available every night. Not every night that they 590 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,280 unburden themselves, but spending time with them, giving 591 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,640 opportunity for them to say, hey, mom, this, this happened 592 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,720 today. And it really, it really hurt. 593 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,920 And you know, that's a treasure when they share those kind of 594 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,920 things with you. I remember Arden was one of the 595 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,400 my most precious moments with Arden. 596 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,400 Arden would go over to this boy's house where he, you know, 597 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:44,080 had a friendship with this boy. But the sister, the sister was 598 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:49,520 cruel, unusually cruel to Arden. And he said, mom, she said, she 599 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,080 said, I hate you, Arden, I hate you. 600 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,040 And he said, mom, please don't let her come over. 601 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:02,720 And I was like, absolutely. And I thought, why, why do girls 602 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,160 go right for the dagger to the heart? 603 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:13,639 And and I thought, well, if we can be discerning in the wrong 604 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:17,080 way to know what would hurt somebody, then can we flip that 605 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,800 and begin to bring words of healing that's good and 606 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,520 strength. So good. 607 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:27,199 Well, there is a whole chapter in Five for Female on the 608 00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:29,520 spiritual realm, which is why we've tackled it in so many 609 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,400 different angles over the last few episodes. 610 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:32,480 But. Because our reality. 611 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,560 I know that's true because this conversation is not going 612 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,960 anywhere. You have some questions that 613 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,000 people can ask themselves at the end of that chapter. 614 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,440 Do you want to just share maybe like one or two of those you've? 615 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,800 Got them in front of you. Well, you wrote it. 616 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,600 Doesn't mean I've memorized them. 617 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,679 So I just want to ask you guys if you're thinking OK maybe I 618 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,560 should get this book or maybe there's something in my life I 619 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,800 want to combat or conflict. Here's 2 questions just to think 620 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,600 on. Is there a situation you're 621 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,160 trying to control that needs to be surrendered? 622 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,400 Is there a person you're trying to control but should turn over 623 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,320 to God? I know what Lisa's answer was 624 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,560 for her example of this story, but. 625 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,480 And it's not a one time thing. You know, Christian, once you've 626 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,800 actually dealt with what you're wrestling with personally, you 627 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,440 can take it further. You have the right as a daughter 628 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,720 of the Most High, whether you're married or whether you're 629 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:35,760 single, to arrest the atmosphere of your home for the presence of 630 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,560 God. You know, Christian, as I travel 631 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,560 and minister, I walk into the hotel room and I say from this 632 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,280 moment forward, every unclean thing, every perverse thing, 633 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,360 every dark thing, every shadowed thing, it goes from this room. 634 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:58,320 This room is now separated for the presence of God in my home. 635 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,600 That's what we did. My children make so much fun of 636 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,360 me because I would, I would not just play worship music. 637 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,240 I would not just sing worship music. 638 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:13,120 I would dance to worship music. And when I sense an atmosphere 639 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,720 of oppression, I would say, OK, how do I worship God with all of 640 00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:20,520 my might and all of my soul and all of my strength? 641 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,120 That's that's dancing. And my children be like, Oh my 642 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,960 gosh, she's out. She's at it again. 643 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,880 She's at it. And sometimes I do it in my 644 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,920 bedroom alone, but sometimes it would just fill out and it would 645 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,600 be in the great room and my children would be up in the loft 646 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,080 looking down. And Lisa's got the tambourine 647 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,640 again. Here I go, there we go. 648 00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:40,760 She's just doing it. But I could sense the entire 649 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,680 atmosphere shift for the presence of God. 650 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:48,680 And then Christian, just as you can arrest the atmosphere for 651 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,120 the presence of God, you can have people come to your house 652 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,280 and bring things they shouldn't bring. 653 00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:00,120 And I remember in particular, my mother was in a very dark season 654 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,280 of her life. And my husband was gone on a 655 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:07,240 trip and he came home and he said, was your mother here? 656 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,320 I said, well, wait, why would you? 657 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,680 Why would you ask that? He said, because whenever she's 658 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:19,280 here, I sense criticism. I sense heaviness, I sense 659 00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:23,640 hopelessness. And he said, Lisa, you need to 660 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,080 guard the atmosphere of our house when your mother comes. 661 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,760 He said, if not, you know, you, you need to meet her at a 662 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,600 restaurant. I was like, what? 663 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,680 And he said, no, Lisa, I'm serious. 664 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,920 We cannot. So women have the ability, even 665 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,400 if their husband's gone, to walk in the spirit and have 666 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,080 authority. I, I remember when John would 667 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,880 travel, it would feel like everything would break down. 668 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,000 The air conditioner would blow up. 669 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,760 Kids would bust open their chin. You know, it would just seem 670 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,720 like everything, somebody would knock a tooth out or they'd 671 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:56,840 swallow up a penny or something. And I would be like, you're not 672 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,920 praying enough, John, you are not, you're not praying enough. 673 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,600 You're not dealing like you go out. 674 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,160 And I mean, I would just say if you prayed for the ministry the 675 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,840 way you pray for your family, you wouldn't even have a 676 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,920 ministry. You leave and it's like you're 677 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,840 exiting the neighborhood and everything falls apart. 678 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:14,960 And John said to me, am I obeying God? 679 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,080 And I was like, I am so tired of this question. 680 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:19,800 And I said, yes, you're obeying God. 681 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,920 He said, well, then there's provision in obedience. 682 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,200 And he said, if you every, everything falls apart when I 683 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,040 leave, it's because you, Lisa, are not staying in your 684 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:36,520 authority in the spirit. So obedience protects, obedience 685 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,720 provides and delegated authority is still authority. 686 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,320 And so I just, you know, I, I hear a lot of women say, oh, but 687 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,760 my husband's not a Christian. I don't, I don't care. 688 00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:49,960 I don't care. You have rank and privilege as a 689 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,920 daughter of the Most High to arrest that atmosphere in your 690 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,160 home. Yeah, because even the other 691 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,320 side of what you're saying, if people can bring negative in, 692 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,920 they can come and yearning for something that your home can be 693 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,960 this invitation to. And I love interior design, you 694 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,320 know that you do as well. And I love creating. 695 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,280 But I'm not good at it. I. 696 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,520 Don't. I don't know if that's true, but 697 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,320 I love making my home beautiful. But even more than that, I want 698 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,720 it to be a safe place and I want it to be warm. 699 00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:18,520 So when someone comes in and they're like, Oh, it's so 700 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,080 pretty. I'm like, thank you. 701 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,680 But when they come and they say, I feel peace in your home. 702 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,680 Like we've had friends that stayed at our homes when we're 703 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,960 traveling or something and they're like, I just found rest. 704 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,000 I found peace. That's the biggest compliment to 705 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,920 me because I mean, we can, we can make our homes a spirit. 706 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,080 And I think that's part of why there's that temptation right 707 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,800 now to be like, oh, you're just a stay at home mom or like you 708 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,320 have to go out and do this. But why is the home a place of 709 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,920 lack? It can be a place of blessing. 710 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,760 A lack and less and and yeah, no, absolutely. 711 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,640 I agree with you 100%. And you do that so well, 712 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,000 Christian. Thank you. 713 00:39:57,240 --> 00:40:00,800 Well, I hope you've gotten some insight and permission and. 714 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,840 Taking a deep breath, that discernment is something that 715 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,440 God wants to give you and we don't want you to doubt. 716 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,160 We don't want you to doubt when you have that that feeling. 717 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,800 So I've hope you've enjoyed this episode of The Fight for Female, 718 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,360 that Christian and I have discussed discernment if we ever 719 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:25,840 needed discerning men and women, that is right now. 720 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,120 I want to thank you for joining us. 721 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,840 I'm going to put a little pressure on you. 722 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,880 I'm going to ask you to subscribe, rate and review. 723 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,680 And if there's something that we did not cover, we want to hear 724 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,920 from you. It really means a lot when you 725 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,080 leave a comment. So until next time, this has 726 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,200 been the fight for Female with Lisa and Christian Bevier.