1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,800 Can a Christian be demon possessed? 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,760 We are seeing the demonic coming into a household through 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,320 entertainment, through music, through, you know, sexual 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,200 perversion. If the supernatural world is 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,280 real, that's huge implications for our life. 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:19,200 It is amazing the amount of people who just endure horrible 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,520 hardships because they've been told can't be spiritual. 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,440 If I've got a young mom sitting at home and she's dealing with 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,920 something in her home or she's feeling like an oppression, what 10 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,440 are some of the ways that these things creep into our 11 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,680 households? The standard MO is you don't 12 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,480 have demons. Objects are not supposed to fly 13 00:00:37,480 --> 00:00:39,440 off shelves in your house, right? 14 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,000 You're not supposed to have dark shadowy figures staring at your 15 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,280 bed, right? But if you do, typically there's 16 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,120 something that has invited this thing in. 17 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,200 The main entry points for demons are. 18 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:58,040 Welcome to the show and I am so excited about today's episode. 19 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,960 Today I am going to be interviewing Ryan Buffet and 20 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:03,720 Ryan Buffet, you think, who is that? 21 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,240 Will? He is the host of The Exorcist 22 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,920 Files and if you've never heard of it, you need to. 23 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:14,760 It is ranked as one of the number one podcast and it has a 24 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,720 goal to bring people into an awareness of the supernatural 25 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,720 realm. And I found out last season that 26 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,080 there's a couple things you guys want to hear about. 27 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,120 You want to hear about the demonic realm and you want to 28 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,040 hear about desire and marriage. And so today we are going to 29 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,400 dive a little bit deeper, not into the desire, but into the 30 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:40,240 demonic realm. So Ryan, you decided to host 31 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,680 something called The Exorcist Files. 32 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:47,360 And I listened to 2 yesterday and it scared the bejeebies out 33 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,200 of me. I have listened to your 34 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,440 interviews and I found it to be so perfect, profound. 35 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,120 But what made you say, I think I'm just going to dive into the 36 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,200 deep end of this and can you give people a little bit of the 37 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,560 history about you? Are you a Catholic priest? 38 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,400 I'm not a Catholic priest. Hopefully my attire I think is 39 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,639 communicated that communicated that also, I think. 40 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:09,880 Just for clarity for the audience. 41 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,040 Did you finish both episodes? No, because one of them was so 42 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,840 frightening that I had to turn it off and pray in my car. 43 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,680 OK, that's not what I did Finish one. 44 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,160 I finished the Predator 1. Oh, OK, that. 45 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,840 One's The Predator 1 was profound and I, I, I was. 46 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,560 It was heartbreaking and it was profound. 47 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:29,400 Yeah, we can talk about that one. 48 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:31,240 Well, First off, thank you for having me. 49 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,400 You're welcome. I yeah, I didn't set out 50 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,560 actually to do a podcast about demons. 51 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,000 It's it's a really serious topic. 52 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,400 It's interesting as the host, I play the kind of skeptic and I 53 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,400 also try to inject a lot of humor into it because it is, 54 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:48,640 it's a strange topic. It's really weird. 55 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:51,840 We want to, I mean, I do approach it from a scholastic 56 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,800 standpoint because if, if the supernatural world is real, then 57 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,720 it's, we have a very vested interest in finding out, you 58 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,280 know, if it is real because that's huge implications for our 59 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,640 life. I actually started off because I 60 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:06,640 was actually in a really tough place theologically, 61 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:10,000 experientially with my faith. I think a lot of Christians have 62 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,840 been to this spot where you know you, if you just read the 63 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,760 Gospels and the book of Acts and you didn't have anyone to 64 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,240 explain to you that, Oh yeah, God doesn't do anything cool 65 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,200 anymore. It's a really cool intellectual 66 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,880 moral system that works well, which is true. 67 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,000 But you would read it and you go, man. 68 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,920 It seems like the apostles in Jesus's words seem to suggest 69 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:32,840 that I would see some really cool stuff in my life. 70 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,280 It also suggests I would see tough times. 71 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,240 So definitely not a prosperity gospel, but I thought I should. 72 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,720 James 5. It seems to read, you know, you 73 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,520 should, if any of you are sick or suffering, call together 74 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,040 members of the church and lay hands and pray and the sick 75 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,400 person will be made well. And I thought, well, that can't 76 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,000 just be figuratively like there has to be something happening. 77 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,360 Jesus healed all these people and I've seen 0 healings like 0. 78 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,880 And I was a, you know, I've been a Christian and going to church 79 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,760 and I hadn't seen anything crazy cool. 80 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,640 And I thought, well, I should see at least something cool over 81 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,080 the, over the course of a life lived with God, hopefully, 82 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:06,680 right. So I was in a really tough spot 83 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,200 and I had a tough, I was having a tough year and professionally 84 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:11,440 and personally. And I was just like, all right, 85 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,880 God, I want to know if this is real. 86 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,680 And I need an experiential God, I need something that I can like 87 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,880 when Paul says, I came to you not just in Word, but in power. 88 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,640 Indeed, I wanted some power and I wanted some deed. 89 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,400 And I had a really cool experience where I had what I 90 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,160 believe to be an encounter where God spoke to me about something. 91 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,640 And I actually told a friend of mine who was very high up at one 92 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,200 of the streamers in the entertainment industry. 93 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,360 And he said that would make a great show. 94 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,160 And I said I absolutely agree. It would. 95 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,560 He's like, do you have other stories like that? 96 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,760 So I started just collecting. I went out and I started 97 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,760 interviewing Christians around the country, people that I knew 98 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:54,160 and I trusted who were not out of their minds and who, this 99 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,800 isn't a regular thing, but I say tell me a moment in your life 100 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:01,760 that God did something profound. And I got some wild stories. 101 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:04,760 And that's how I got connected with Father Carlos. 102 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,600 And he told me a few stories and I went, this is wild. 103 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,040 And I said, we got a you want to do a show with me? 104 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,360 And he said no. And I said why? 105 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:14,640 He's like, this isn't a joke, kid. 106 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,960 Yeah. Because, because, and I just 107 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,760 want to highlight that there is scriptural precedent for 108 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,160 everything you're saying. I mean, Ephesians makes it very 109 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,640 clear that we wrestle not with flesh and blood. 110 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,360 And I think too many people think we are wrestling with 111 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,840 people, but it's very clear that we do wrestle, but we're 112 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:31,760 wrestling with principalities and powers. 113 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,560 And so that is something that I have found to be so refreshing, 114 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:41,720 the way that you as a Protestant and Father Carlos, as a 115 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:46,680 Catholic, Catholic priest or exorcist, speak to this in a way 116 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,560 where you are framing it in lay persons understanding, but 117 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,920 you're not treating it as though it is familiar. 118 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,480 You're you understand there is the sacred and you understand 119 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,200 that there is this demonic realm. 120 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,400 And, you know, I feel like more and more of the veil between the 121 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,320 two of them are thinning. Like we are seeing the demonic 122 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,600 coming into households through entertainment, through music, 123 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,920 through, you know, sexual perversion and pornography and 124 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,360 all these different things. And I feel like there's an 125 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,200 awakening right now. And I love and I just want to 126 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:28,720 celebrate you saying there is more that unites us with faith 127 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,480 then you know, with the Catholic Church that we believe in Jesus, 128 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,080 that we believe it's the authority in his name that we 129 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:37,760 will probably never agree with doctrine. 130 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,160 Even the evangelicals don't agree on doctrine. 131 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,680 But the this was this took courage for you, Ryan, to say, 132 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,960 I'm going to platform both the Protestant questions and the 133 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,600 Catholic perspective. And I'm going to talk about some 134 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,360 of the things we've lost that need to be recovered. 135 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:57,320 Thank you. Yeah, I know it's it's been a 136 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,040 journey for me and I again, I, I just said because I wanted to my 137 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,640 main goal is I want to just document if these things are 138 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,440 real and I started the premise like let's because look, they're 139 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,480 not everything's demonic, you know, are these things real? 140 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,280 It's interesting that every culture on Earth different fate. 141 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,120 I mean, they're just, it's not a controversial topic when you go 142 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,400 to other places, but here it sounds weird and yet you go 143 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,960 through and you investigate this stuff and one you hear from one 144 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,280 person, go whatever. I've now had the, you know, 145 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,840 privilege of interviewing these a lot of priests and you know, 146 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,720 Orthodox priests, Catholic priests, Protestant deliverance 147 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,600 ministers. And when they all tell you 148 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,200 stories and they all line up with the same experience, the 149 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,440 same characteristics, and you go, OK, yeah, we have one 150 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,280 adversary and 1 savior. And it's nothing to be afraid 151 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:43,200 of. It's something to respect. 152 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,280 Creating the show is similar to like, running in sand versus 153 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,920 running on turf. It's just if you can feel the 154 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,880 weight of it and it's a heavy topic and you also don't want to 155 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,240 scare people. We did an episode on 156 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,280 Freemasonry, which was a fascinating academic exercise 157 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:57,440 because I didn't know a lot about it. 158 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,120 And so you just research it and you go, and I will talk to 159 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,520 priests who would say that's not a issue we worry about, right? 160 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,920 We just, it's not a thing like generational curses. 161 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,400 That's crazy. I am the granddaughter of a 32nd 162 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,840 degree Mason. And I do believe that 163 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,960 generational curses, I mean, I don't, I don't want them to be 164 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,440 true, but I have seen it activated in my life. 165 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,960 I had cancer at the age of five. My mother had cancer, My 166 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:28,240 grandmother had cancer. My grandmother had miscarriages 167 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,559 and almost died in childbirth. My mother had three miscarriages 168 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,919 between me and my brother. And just, you know, my, this is 169 00:08:35,919 --> 00:08:38,400 crazy. My grandmother was married, 170 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,200 divorced her first husband, remarried him and divorced him 171 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,880 again. My mother was married, divorced 172 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,800 her first husband, remarried him and divorced again. 173 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,520 And I said, you know what? I there's something, there's 174 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:54,160 some kind of pattern that is in our family that I don't, I don't 175 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,880 like. And when I had seen the pattern, 176 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,760 you can actually see that Satan is a legalist. 177 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,320 And if, if there's something that opened the door to the 178 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,840 enemy, why wouldn't we just pray and close it? 179 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,800 I mean, we don't have to get all caught up into the, the dark 180 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,200 realm. You know, I love the idea of 181 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,960 being innocent of what is evil and excellent at what is good. 182 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,640 And when we involve prayer and scripture and faith and God and 183 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:24,680 seeing that God always was for freedom and for healing and for 184 00:09:24,680 --> 00:09:28,400 hope and for love, then then I don't know why we would not 185 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,520 involve ourselves in prayer if that is our ultimately our 186 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:33,800 weapon. Absolutely. 187 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,280 No. It's Weapons of Warfare. 188 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:37,920 No, it sounds. Wow, I didn't realize that about 189 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,520 your fan. You got an interesting memoir. 190 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:40,480 I know you've written a lot of books. 191 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,320 So that's patterns. I will say that's one thing. 192 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,320 All these exorcists that we've interviewed. 193 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,080 And so for those who don't know, the show is dramatic recreations 194 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,080 of his cases. And then in between those 195 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,560 seasons, they're limited seasons. 196 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,360 Is this 3D audio? It's binaural sound, which is 197 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,760 really cool. And it's very well done. 198 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,360 Thank you. And but we also do interviews 199 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,880 because we say, look, you can take this is told from the case 200 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,280 files of one priest, but don't just take his word for it. 201 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,840 So we interview people. We interview psychologists and 202 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,000 therapists and deliverance ministers, Orthodox exorcists, I 203 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,000 mean other Catholic exorcist. And when they all tell you, hey, 204 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,000 patterns is the big thing and we look for patterns. 205 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,840 And again, that doesn't mean there are genetic patterns that 206 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:21,880 we have right. And so it's it's not looking for 207 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,200 a demon everywhere, but you still you go you're right. 208 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,760 There's no downside to praying about this and Tammy's story. 209 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,520 For those who know John Mark Comer and it's. 210 00:10:30,680 --> 00:10:32,880 Quite profound. It's amazing and it breaks your 211 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,200 box and I love that because you know things 90% of the time 212 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:38,960 makes sense with Christianity and then there's always these 213 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,480 exceptions where God's like you did what and how? 214 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,240 And I remember asking her like, aren't you like a little 215 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,080 perturbed? It took because I'm assuming you 216 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,280 went to every healing ministry like you know, you, you no one 217 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:51,680 could accuse you of not pursuing it. 218 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,440 And then yet like, you know, she's like, I'm just grateful to 219 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,480 be alive, right. And when you come back from the 220 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,640 brink like that, she'd. Even settled her heart that she 221 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,640 was going to die. And she's so. 222 00:11:00,680 --> 00:11:01,960 And yeah, and then it's just like what? 223 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,800 And like, that's the great, she said. 224 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,920 Something too effective to me that if you have accepted death, 225 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,400 but then give a new life like that is just such a great gift. 226 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,960 And now you just get to go pray for others and awareness. 227 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,680 And I tell this, I tell her story to people and they're 228 00:11:15,680 --> 00:11:17,760 like, well, that breaks my theology box. 229 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,400 And I'm like, well, great, like what? 230 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,680 Something needs to change. Then you know, then you're, if 231 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:23,920 your experience starts contradicting your theology, 232 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,920 then one of those two is wrong. And it's like and her story. 233 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,800 So I encourage everyone, that's a great place to start. 234 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,200 If you're not into dramatic recreations of Ouija boards 235 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,800 coming alive, then you can listen to her testimony, which I 236 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,600 just tell everyone, it's just, it's remarkable. 237 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,640 And it's, it's beautiful and it's so redemptive. 238 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,960 You know, what happened for me, Ryan, is I started having a 239 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:44,880 reoccurring nightmare. I'd had it all through my 240 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,960 childhood. And then I became a Christian. 241 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,160 And it paused for a little bit. And then it was this nightmare 242 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,480 that was every single night. And I would even pull myself out 243 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,840 of the nightmare and panic and go back into it. 244 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,720 And in the nightmare, I would leave my parents home and it 245 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,200 would be sunshine and I would turn a corner and enter a Gray 246 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,280 zone. And even in the dream I'd be 247 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,320 like I hate this dream. And I could see darkness in the 248 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,600 distance. And in the distance I saw three 249 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,640 dead men. One was a skeleton, 1 was 250 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,080 partially decayed, and one I knew was newly dead. 251 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,200 And they would start walking to me, towards me, and I would turn 252 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,800 around and try to run. And no matter how fast I ran, I 253 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:27,880 could not escape the Gray zone. And in the dream, I would I 254 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,320 would say in the name of Jesus. And they would just keep coming. 255 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:31,920 And it would really freak me out. 256 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,240 And I would always do something where I'd pick up a stone or 257 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,560 something and I would be yelling, your dad, you can't 258 00:12:37,560 --> 00:12:39,560 hurt me. And I would throw something at 259 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:41,600 them. And as soon as I crossed it in 260 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,560 the natural, they were able to do something to me. 261 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:46,920 So in the dream, they were either stabbed me, cut off my 262 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,120 arm. I would wake up like this. 263 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,440 And I was like this nightmare. I got to a place where I did not 264 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,840 want to sleep. I'd been just been married to 265 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:54,720 John. I think we were married for 266 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,560 about a year and a half. I would have him pray nothing 267 00:12:57,560 --> 00:12:59,600 was happening. And I reached out to his 268 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,920 spiritual father and I said I am having this reoccurring 269 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,080 nightmare. And I told him everything and he 270 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,320 said I'm going to send you a cassette tape because we're that 271 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,000 old. And it was about sins of the 272 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,480 father's and generational curses. 273 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,360 And, you know, John didn't even believe it at the time that that 274 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,160 was even a thing. But John came from nice people. 275 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,720 I did not. And so I came from a history of 276 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,760 adulterers, a history of, you know, Masons, all this kind of 277 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,320 stuff. So I fasted, prayed, did 278 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,480 communion and listen to those cassette tapes and renounce all 279 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,680 of the things I knew to renounce, whether it was 280 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,000 horoscopes, Ouija boards. I mean, the guy just kind of 281 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,760 would have you pause the tape and listen to the Holy Spirit. 282 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,440 And all I know is that I went into that prayer time one way 283 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,120 and I came out a completely different way. 284 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,920 And all of my boys, none of them had any of the problems that I 285 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,000 had. And the, you know, whatever that 286 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,760 root of cancer was broken, alcoholism was broken, you know, 287 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,040 adultery, divorce, it's pattern. It was a new beginning for me, 288 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,640 Ryan. I wanted to be the beginning of 289 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,040 1000 generations who loved God and kept his commandments. 290 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,840 And I, I felt the weight of that. 291 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:14,360 I was like, God, can I be that? Can I be, can can my prayers 292 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:18,880 have that kind of impact to set something in motion for the 293 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,200 generations going forward, that every life that passes through 294 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,840 my life is no longer cursed and bound and, you know, destined 295 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,760 for divorce and bankruptcy and loss. 296 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:34,440 I was like, I want that. And so for me, you know, that 297 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,560 was part of my story. But I love something I think was 298 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,520 CS Lewis that said God can be original with everybody. 299 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,360 And I don't want everybody to have to go through my story. 300 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,960 But what I love about The Exorcist Files is the fact that 301 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:54,280 you guys always loop it back to Jesus Christ, that it is faith 302 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,360 in God. It is faith in God's goodness. 303 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,200 It leads with confession and repentance. 304 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:03,160 And if you know, here's the thing for me, you know, you said 305 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,680 that you you resist the devil and he flees. 306 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,760 But the first step is humble yourself. 307 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,800 And I feel like there's nothing more humbling than confession. 308 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,200 Yeah, and Father, he has a line which he may have borrowed, I 309 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,280 think I've heard this in from a few places, but he'll say, you 310 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:23,360 know, 11 honest confession is better than 1000 exorcisms. 311 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,000 And before his team goes in the room, everyone prays up and 312 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,320 everyone goes to confession and he's like, you're going to go in 313 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:30,920 that room. You need to know that you're you 314 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,840 know, you're clean and you you've cleared it. 315 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:34,880 You're cleared before God. And I've actually, that's 316 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,920 something I've been deeply moved by because, you know, even James 317 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,760 5 says confess your sins to one another. 318 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,920 And, you know, you can get into the theological discussion 319 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,200 about, you know, the sacrament of confession and whether 320 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,200 that's, you know, necessary from a Christian perspective. 321 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,400 Because when you document the demonic and you say, OK, 322 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,760 generally speaking, and again, just taking this from a purely 323 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,000 journalistic standpoint, if these things are the standard MO 324 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,360 is you don't have demons, right? If you aren't walking around, 325 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,760 you're not supposed to have, you know, your objects are not 326 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,280 supposed to fly off shelves in your house, right? 327 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,760 You're not supposed to have dark shadowy figures staring at your 328 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,760 bed, right? But if you do, typically there's 329 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,800 something that has invited this thing in or adore, these rights 330 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,520 have been gained. And that's for when people 331 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,960 wonder like what does it mean to do an exorcism? 332 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,080 It is to exercise those rights, right, and to remove them. 333 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,360 And you mentioned the legal authority. 334 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,520 And so Christ having the ultimate legal authority. 335 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:25,760 And that's something we appreciate. 336 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,400 You can any tradition, right? It's not the exorcist, it's not 337 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,760 the church, right? It's God who ultimately is 338 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,320 responsible for setting that person free. 339 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,720 But the other part that's interesting that we found is 340 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,680 that you can have the goat, you can have the most faith filled 341 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,800 exorcist right with the team and you can call down all the angels 342 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,200 and the litany of the Saints and the weight of the church and 343 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,000 history. And if that person, as you 344 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,440 mentioned in that one episode, just says, no, I want to keep 345 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:57,120 sinning like they have to choose and God soberly respects those 346 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,560 decisions. And, and I just, it's very 347 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,000 chilling. And that episode in particular 348 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,560 was really difficult to write because up until that point, 349 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,440 these all had a really happy, happy ending. 350 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:09,760 And we thought it was important to show that sometimes, a lot of 351 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:14,839 times sin is enticing and people are like, you know, I, you can 352 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:17,319 say I want God, right? But only God knows in your. 353 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:18,240 Heart. They wanted relief. 354 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,640 Yeah, Oh yeah. They wanted the benefits of 355 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,160 citizenship in the Kingdom without actually having to pay 356 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,880 the taxes. And that person walked away in 357 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,640 that case. And it's really sobering because 358 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,120 you're like, a lot of people just choose it. 359 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,520 And God's like, all right, you know, as Paul says, I can turn 360 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,560 you over and. Yeah, when we were listening, I 361 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,520 actually wasn't my hairdresser and I said, hey, I'm going to be 362 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,040 interviewing Ryan tomorrow. And I said, can we listen to 363 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,080 this together? And I just looked or I said, 364 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:46,600 well, that's a little different than we handle sin in the church 365 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,600 right now, turning somebody over to Satan that the that through 366 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,880 the suffering of their flesh that their soul or spirit would 367 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,280 be saved. I said we don't, we don't do 368 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,240 that very often. So it that's fascinating to me. 369 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:58,800 So I want to ask you a couple questions. 370 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:03,080 First of all, can A, and you've already alluded to it, can a 371 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:08,200 Christian who is a believer in Jesus Christ cast out demons? 372 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,840 Or is it only something reserved for the Catholic Church? 373 00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:14,320 No. So and also let me just preface 374 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,160 right, I don't call myself an expert on this. 375 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,640 I have a privilege of sitting in a spot where I can synthesize 376 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,240 the responses from a lot. And then personally, just in my 377 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,000 own life, having good friends who have gone through 378 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,400 deliverance, right? So I can say, OK, here's what I 379 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,360 see. And also God is God works in 380 00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:35,480 many different ways and he's not bound by his own, you know, 381 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,120 theological restrictions that we are, right? 382 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:38,800 So he can he can do whatever he wants. 383 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,680 I mean, we saw that with David and with Jesus, and it shocked 384 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,560 the Pharisees. If God wants to break his own 385 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,760 rules, he can't, right? So just even if there's a 386 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,920 preferred way he might go, no, I'm going to work through like 387 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,400 this. Generally speaking, no, It's on 388 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,280 our show. We take the position and Father 389 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,400 Martins will teach that any believer baptized in Christ has 390 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,840 the authority to trample on snakes and scorpions. 391 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,360 We also see this in scripture when the disciples come to Jesus 392 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:06,120 and they seem to be a little offended that someone else is. 393 00:19:06,120 --> 00:19:09,240 I think it's Mark 9. They say, you know, Lord, we saw 394 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,920 someone casting out demons in your name and they weren't on 395 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,160 our team. They had different jerseys. 396 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:14,440 They were not. They weren't part of our 397 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:15,640 denomination. Yeah. 398 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,720 And and she says, hey, they're not against you, right? 399 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,000 If they're not against you, they're for you. 400 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,400 And I think he alludes to in one translation to like, hey, like 401 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,160 they're not. Anyone who does a miracle in my 402 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,600 name will not be neutral on me for long, right. 403 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,160 And so he seems to permit this. And then marks like these signs 404 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:31,520 shall accompany those that believe. 405 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,000 Like there seems to be a general sense that there's an authority 406 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,640 there. Now this the other part though, 407 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,280 is do you have authority in every situation, right? 408 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,760 And that's something I would say, no, it's not something you 409 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,480 run into. So it's knowing when God has 410 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,280 called you to fight that battle, anything that you were the legal 411 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,640 owner of and have legal authority over, you pray over 412 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:50,920 that, right? And say, look, I go to hotel 413 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,120 rooms now and I'm just like. I always pray over my hotel 414 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:54,560 room. You know what's people make fun 415 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,640 of me for that sometimes and I'm like, what's the downside, 416 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,440 right? Upside is maybe get upgraded, 417 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,240 right? You know, you never know. 418 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:01,280 Like, there's definitely been room. 419 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,920 For a good night's sleep I've had, I've had felt like I've had 420 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,800 rough nights when I haven't prayed over my room. 421 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,680 When we were recording exorcist files and again I have not had 422 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:15,480 anything really crazy happened to me thankfully, but I was in a 423 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,600 room that I was staying at a friend's house and every I was 424 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,040 having a lot of sleep issues and every time I'd lay my head down 425 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:29,320 I would hear this in the wall. This just three and I thought, I 426 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,280 don't know, this was in Georgia and I thought I don't know what 427 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:33,720 rodents are in the walls or whatever. 428 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,400 So I pound the wall and I'm like, and it was just loud 429 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,280 enough and just rhythmic enough to annoy me to where you can't 430 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,040 fall asleep. Turn the lights off, get back 431 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,360 up, pound on the wall, right? And they're like, oh, it could 432 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:45,720 be chipmunks. And I'm like, do chipmunks sound 433 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,920 like that again? My only exposure to chipmunks is 434 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:52,440 Alvin and his two brothers. And so I was unaware of this. 435 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,440 So finally I got up on my bed. This is not prescriptive, but 436 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,320 this is just what worked for me. Results may vary. 437 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,760 I got up in the bed and said, you know what, this room was 438 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,360 legally given to me. I don't know what else goes on 439 00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:05,000 here, but this room is now under my jurisdiction. 440 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,240 And so Lord, would you bless this. 441 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,560 I think I use some more colorful language than what I'm sharing 442 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,000 with your listeners. And I said you got to cut this 443 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,600 bleep out now and it never happened again. 444 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,240 And I just. And there was something about 445 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,160 just. And again, not to be formulaic, 446 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,240 but when you assert, I think it also just raises your faith and 447 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,120 you say, no, like, like I am, this is my son, I am praying for 448 00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:27,240 them. This is my house. 449 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:28,720 I own this. You're not welcome here. 450 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,240 This is my show. We had at various times with 451 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,080 different vendors, we'd have, you know, differences. 452 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,840 And I would pray over the meetings and say, hey, would you 453 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,840 protect and extend the blessing that you know Father and I have 454 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,960 of being citizens of the Kingdom over other individuals and we 455 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,120 would suddenly have a more peaceful working arrangement. 456 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:52,760 I have become very just excited to just say parent authority. 457 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,920 Worst case, nothing happens. Best case is you see a lot more 458 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,120 fruit. And then obviously a lot of the 459 00:21:58,120 --> 00:22:03,960 cases that we profile, it took people like re like possessing 460 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,600 their authority and to and praying that. 461 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,720 And like Tammy Comer's story, it wasn't until she just prayed and 462 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,480 and it drives me nuts. Yeah, and and broke those 463 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,560 alliances. You know, I somebody told John 464 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,560 and I something very early on in the ministry we were in our we 465 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,320 were in our mid 20s. I think we only had Addison and 466 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,200 they said if you do not take your authority in the spirit, 467 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,960 the enemy will take it from you and use it against you. 468 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,760 And I remember I was teaching at this like media class. 469 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,120 I used to teach television makeup. 470 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,160 And I'm my students. I was maybe 28 at the time. 471 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:42,320 My students were behaving horribly and I'm driving in and 472 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,120 I'm getting angry at them. I'm like, I'm your boss. 473 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:48,120 Stop, stop, stop. And I was driving back in and, 474 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:52,080 and I heard the Holy Spirit say you are the instructor of that 475 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,720 classroom. Take authority over the disorder 476 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,720 and the chaos and the the cussing in the classroom. 477 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,720 Just renounce it because they were bringing pornography and 478 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,880 they were acting terrible. They're being very sexual with 479 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,840 me. And I said I in Jesus name, God, 480 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,520 you've given me this course to teach and I arrest the 481 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,000 atmosphere for learning and for the Holy Spirit. 482 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,560 There will not be this crude look. 483 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:22,680 And the crudest, most horrible young man started crying and 484 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,640 confessed that he had been a Christian and he, I mean, we 485 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,080 ended up having him over for dinner, ministering to him and 486 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,640 the whole classroom atmosphere changed. 487 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,720 So I love that you have this authority over what God has 488 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,840 entrusted to you. And I do the same thing in my 489 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,960 hotel room. If I call my husband, I didn't 490 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,280 sleep last night. My husband's like, did you pray 491 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,400 over your room? I'm like, I did not. 492 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,960 But I've learned I'm going to pray over my room and I would 493 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,120 rather pray over my room. Even if I don't have a great 494 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:53,160 night's sleep, I'm still still going to exercise that 495 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,840 authority. And too many people don't 496 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,240 understand that Jesus said all authority in heaven and earth 497 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,360 have been given to me, and I'm giving it to you. 498 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,320 Jesus said that he only did what he saw his Father doing, only 499 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,320 said what he heard his Father saying. 500 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,920 So we have to still be led by the Spirit. 501 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,160 We don't have to go looking for demonic things, but if they come 502 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,200 into our realm of authority, I think we as believers, there is 503 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,320 an onus on us to do that. So I want to ask you a question. 504 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,840 Can a Christian, somebody who is either baptized in the Catholic 505 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:29,040 Church, baptized into the faith, can they have demon possession 506 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,440 or is it just oppression? And what is the difference? 507 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,920 I think some of it comes down to what do you mean by possession? 508 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,600 Where they lose control of their actions and their response. 509 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,480 Yeah. So I would say Christians can 510 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,520 absolutely be possessed if they engage in now. 511 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,920 I think it's very rare. And again, for the listeners, 512 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,680 like an exorcism is an extraordinarily a true exorcism 513 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,280 in the Catholic Church to be granted is extraordinarily rare. 514 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,040 That's one thing everyone says they're like, look, you know, we 515 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,360 are more likely, you know, it's, it can be mental health, there's 516 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:01,480 medical tests. And I mean, you watch the movie 517 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,880 The Exorcist, right? 90% of the movie is this priest 518 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,880 trying to explain away by natural causes and to get Regan 519 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,400 tested to just find the natural 'cause, right. 520 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,160 And so by the time it reaches an exorcism, it's been determined, 521 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,240 OK, there's an issue there. So I think this is how I work it 522 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,240 out, right? Because obviously you are owned 523 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,480 by Christ, right? You're baptized, you're owned by 524 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,880 Christ. You could legally own a house, 525 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,080 say in Florida and you could abandoned it, it's still legally 526 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,560 yours, etcetera. And through that neglect, you 527 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,560 leave the doors open, whatever you know, and others come into a 528 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,240 temporary possession because you just neglected it and you've run 529 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,840 away from it. And so someone is temporarily in 530 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,920 possession, they don't own it, right? 531 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,720 And it is up to you to come back and say, no, I own this house, I 532 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,120 have the legal authority, the Holy Spirit dwells in me, right? 533 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:50,960 And you are out there. So that's how that's a 534 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,000 controversial take cuz I know many people say no, you cannot 535 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,880 be possessed. But it's like it depends on what 536 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,480 you mean by that term. So I think there we have stories 537 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,640 where people who are baptized Christians and God in his 538 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,560 whatever wisdom and his sovereignty has allowed them to 539 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,240 experience bouts of losing free agency. 540 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,120 But importantly, even in scriptures, I don't know of any 541 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:12,560 story where someone loses full agency. 542 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,240 I mean, even the demoniac that the Legion demoniac, I mean, it 543 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,640 says he ran towards Christ, right? 544 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,720 So even while manifesting, he's like fleeing towards the Savior. 545 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,560 So I obviously and then I think being a baptized Christian means 546 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,600 that, you know, you have a more important dwelling in there and 547 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,280 that is that protects you and that confers an enormous amount 548 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,560 of protection. I don't think it's far fetched 549 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,040 to think that God in his mercy will say, fine, you want to have 550 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,040 the wages of sin. Some things start happening 551 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,080 there. But obviously I think, you know, 552 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,720 if you're baptized, Christ owns you and you might in your own, 553 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,600 you know, neglect open some doorways up. 554 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,400 And then obviously what the church will say is you get it's 555 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,120 you're far more likely to be oppressed. 556 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,960 I mean, either way, Jesus can set you free, whether it's an 557 00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:00,320 oppression or possession. If you confess, renounce and say 558 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,560 I'm going to repent of this, freedom is available. 559 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,800 According to the show and the stuff that we've documented, 560 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:09,040 like what are the signs of possession, especially to answer 561 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,600 your question, like what does it mean to be possessed, right? 562 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,560 So the church recognizes, the Catholic Church recognizes sort 563 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,760 of three signs. And interestingly, while many 564 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,800 things point to it, they don't use aversion to religious 565 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,600 objects as a primary indicator because that can be faked, 566 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,320 right? So they do superhuman strength, 567 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,280 right? And there's so many stories of 568 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,680 just little old ladies tossing holders across the room, 569 00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:33,720 knowledge of the unknown and then speaking in strange 570 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,880 languages, right. You know, in Annalisee 571 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,000 Michelle's case, right, she starts speaking Chinese and you 572 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,520 go, did she pick it up? This is pre Rosetta Stone or any 573 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:42,720 of her sponsors, you know, Babble. 574 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:43,640 One of our sponsors. Yeah. 575 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,400 It's like, what would you do? And so, yeah. 576 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,600 So those 3 signs typically have you present, but interestingly, 577 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,640 a lot of those signs don't show themselves until the actual 578 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:57,160 session has begun, et cetera. And do you need those? 579 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,000 I mean, yeah. The other thing that's 580 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,600 fascinating about what we've discovered is like, you talk to 581 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,360 these priests like the demons are this really interesting 582 00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:08,560 contradiction of these. Eternally brilliant, angry, 583 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,160 stupid 4 year olds that like have every vested interest to 584 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,240 remain hidden because, you know, we get this question all the 585 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,160 time. Where are the tapes? 586 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,760 Show me the evidence, right? And I always ask, well, what 587 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,560 evidence would you accept in today's day of AI and photos? 588 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,640 Like what would you what? Sure, being honest with 589 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,840 yourself, what would you what would it take? 590 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,520 You'd have to probably see it yourself and may you not have to 591 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,360 right, right. But what evidence would you 592 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,640 suggest? And, you know, also there's an 593 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,080 interesting assumption there, like, all right, if these things 594 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,760 are real, if there are these, for lack of a better term, 595 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,520 interdimensional entities that seek to wreak havoc, right? 596 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,320 And they can only be removed via this tradition. 597 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,160 And their best interest would be to hide, right? 598 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,520 They have no vids. Like you're like, well, why 599 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,240 don't you catch you on camera? How do you know the thing would 600 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,040 allow you to catch on camera? I have had so many technical 601 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,160 difficulties. And again, this could, please 602 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,920 hear me. This could be entirely 603 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,520 coincidental, right? Totally open to that. 604 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,560 But the amount of recordings that just disappear, Internet 605 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,480 connections that suddenly cut out when I have great Wi-Fi and 606 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,720 you interview enough people who've made these movies, watch 607 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,800 Chuck and Carrie Solomon's interview about making nefarious 608 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,960 the movie, the amount of things that happened in that movie. 609 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,840 And you just go, OK, at some point, anyone who does this type 610 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,560 of content, we all smile and we exchange stories. 611 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,880 Our first interview we recorded for this show backed up three 612 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,200 times. It was just disappeared. 613 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,160 I want to ask you a couple questions as we wrap up. 614 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:33,120 So how do, how do these, because I, I do feel like more and more 615 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:38,160 people are #1 aware it, it's evidence of why the Exorcist 616 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,600 files is so popular. There are people that don't 617 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,800 believe in God, that believe in demonic forces. 618 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,560 It's very interesting. They, they understand the dark 619 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,480 realm. They don't understand by 620 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,600 acknowledging a dark realm, there has to be the Kingdom of 621 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,560 light and, and the creator. But how, if if I've got a young 622 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,280 mom sitting at home and she's dealing with something in her 623 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,720 home or she's feeling like an oppression or there's something 624 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,720 going on with her child or she's got a teenager, that seems like 625 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,360 all of a sudden there's like a shadow. 626 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,800 What are some of the ways that these things creep into our 627 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,480 households, into our everyday lives? 628 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,640 And what are some of the things that can be the response for a 629 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,520 I'm I'm a mom, I'm staying home, but I sent I'm the believer in 630 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,320 the house. My husband isn't a believer. 631 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,200 What can I do? She's asking those kind of 632 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,800 questions. Yeah. 633 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,360 And I think, you know, one, obviously the challenge is that 634 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,440 there's no formula for evading tribulation in our lives. 635 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,640 I think that's something that I've really come to appreciate 636 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,200 about the Catholic Church's teaching and just my own life of 637 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,160 like, OK, somewhere along the line I decided like, I treat 638 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,280 things like bad things are happening automatically. 639 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,560 They need to go away because God. 640 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,200 Is American. Yeah, God is mad at me like this 641 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,120 idea that like and again, this attention, right? 642 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,480 God clearly wants to bless people and he's a good if the 643 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,280 Bible is true, then he wants to bless people, right? 644 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,920 And yet, you know, the apostles all have really, you know, tough 645 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,320 ending, you know, tough ends. And you go, OK, like Jesus says, 646 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,880 like many, you know, like you will face many trials in this 647 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,960 life. Fellowship is suffering and then 648 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,760 he prunes us. There's all these different 649 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:16,960 things. Right, so starting with the 650 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,600 premise of like, OK, First off, like if something is happening 651 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,680 and we had a priest on who I really appreciate it, he goes, 652 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,560 all right, He's like, something bad's happened to you, right? 653 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:24,720 He's like, all right, we're going to deal with it. 654 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,120 But he's like, First off, like, thank God, like you're doing the 655 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,480 dance, right? To make up what is lacking in 656 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,000 Christ's suffering, right? You get to now participate in 657 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,040 this crazy journey and saying, God, you've not given me any 658 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,800 trial that you don't count me able to handle. 659 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,240 And so I start with that cuz a lot of times what happens in our 660 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,160 spiritual warfare discussions is it goes, okay, this is happening 661 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:46,880 automatically. There's a formula. 662 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,000 What are the words? What do I say? 663 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,560 Let's get rid of it. And the reality is, Satan, if 664 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,720 this whole thing is real, it seems to be the only reason God 665 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,880 would permit an active adversary to torment us is for our own 666 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,680 refinement and to use him as a pawn. 667 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,000 And I got to think that's one of the best ultimate ironies of 668 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,440 this whole thing. Is that Satan again, if he's 669 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:11,400 real in this rage and rebellion against God can't help in the 670 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,960 most brilliant attacks. He's this glorious mind that he 671 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,840 has right is so depraved. He ends up furthering God's goal 672 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,800 and he just ends up playing. He ends up leading people to 673 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,160 Christ. And that with the crucifixion, I 674 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,320 mean, it said, have the Princess of this world known they would 675 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,240 never have crucified the Lord of Glory? 676 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,240 They did not understand. They thought they were. 677 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,600 They thought they were becoming, you know, they were going to 678 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,600 take everything and they they became the inheritance instead 679 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,040 of inheriting. So God has this ability to flip, 680 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,360 but I also even feel like he trains our hands for war and our 681 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,880 fingers for battle through hardship. 682 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:44,120 Yeah, and it makes you. Yeah. 683 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,760 And so you're getting refined. And so it sucks. 684 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,640 And so it's like, I've just, but I've tried to in the midst of. 685 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,760 And gosh, I've been so blessed in my life. 686 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,960 And there are people out there experiencing such horrible 687 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,640 things. And it's a weird thing to say to 688 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:57,960 thank God. You're not thanking God for the 689 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,720 tragedy, but you thank God for the opportunity to endure and to 690 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,880 lean on him and to develop faith, right. 691 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,840 And it says, right. So do not be surprised when the 692 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,480 fiery trial comes upon you. Right. 693 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,000 And after a little while, right, and then you receive this crown 694 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,000 of glory. So it's like, alright, God, 695 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,720 you've you, I can handle this. I got this right. 696 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,200 And it sucks. So all that to say, First off, 697 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,760 you know, ask yourself, are you, are you walking close to God, 698 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,440 right? Are you living a life that's 699 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,760 close to God? And you know, so that's that's 700 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,720 the first thing the main doorways that are taught on this 701 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,040 show that are the main entry points for demons are sexual sin 702 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,800 cult is the big one, right? So just dabbling the cult 703 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,720 violation of the first commandment, trying to assert 704 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,840 God's authority, right? There is no God except your God. 705 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,960 So that'd be witchcraft. Witchcraft. 706 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,880 Ouija boards. Astrology horoscopes, OK, New 707 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,080 age, yeah, that stuff. Secondly, unforgiveness, which 708 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,640 is really interesting. So that's one. 709 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,560 We're just like, we all have someone who wronged us. 710 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,520 And it's like, and it also includes self, which I found 711 00:33:58,520 --> 00:33:59,560 very interesting, right? Yeah. 712 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,720 And so you cannot despise if you're a child of God, you can't 713 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,160 despise a child of God. And you have to, you have to 714 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,520 forgive them. And so we've had many stories 715 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,920 about people who just they had to let go someone who really 716 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,360 hurt them, someone who deserves punishment, right, for what they 717 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,159 did. But, you know, vengeance is mind 718 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:17,120 sayeth the Lord. And so just you have to forgive. 719 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,159 So forgiveness is a huge, huge issue. 720 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,040 And so that's why I really appreciate Father Martin's 721 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,679 really big on therapy. And just like, you know, deal 722 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:27,159 with that emotional, it's like garbage, right? 723 00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:30,199 Rats collect around garbage. So take care of that working 724 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:31,679 down the line. If you're like, OK, this is 725 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:33,639 weird. You know, stuff's happening. 726 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,520 I can't. I can't think of an obvious open 727 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,040 doorway. Interestingly, and again, I 728 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,880 sometimes struggle to share this stuff because I don't want 729 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,040 people to be like freaked out. But I have friends who like 730 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:44,639 their kids, are having crazy nightmares. 731 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,760 Actually. And even too, even yesterday I 732 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,440 got an e-mail with someone saying I brought a dreamcatcher 733 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,360 into my house and I started, you know, just using it or whatever. 734 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,760 And I don't know how you use a dream catcher, but just like put 735 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,760 it up and was talking about same thing. 736 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,360 Start having night terrors and. Which it's supposed to stop 737 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,320 those? Ironically, yeah, so faulty. 738 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,680 So ask for a refund. But they start having these 739 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,360 crazy incidents and this young girl starting night terrors. 740 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:11,160 And interestingly, in this story, her starting the dreams 741 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,560 weren't awful right away. It was her grandma would start 742 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,600 visiting her or grandma. And then grandma eventually 743 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,000 turned into this grotesque in the in the recounting of this, 744 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,920 like this grotesque monster would shake the bed and 745 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,880 everything. They got rid of the object and 746 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,040 everything got normal. And you're like, OK, I don't 747 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,600 know. So when people say that sounds 748 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,000 crazy, this is silly. Oh my gosh, you really Like 749 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,720 really, dude, I was like, you know what? 750 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,000 I don't know what to tell you. I've just had at this point, 751 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,800 dozens and dozens of people who I know are normal just saying, 752 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,040 yeah, night terrors started item in the house, got rid of the 753 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,360 item, night terrors stopped. And then also don't be afraid to 754 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,920 ask your pastor, etcetera, like just hey, look, this is what's 755 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,240 going on and dig into it. I think a lot of us just tend to 756 00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:52,960 ignore the stuff. It is amazing the amount of 757 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,280 people who just endure horrible, horrible hardships because 758 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,040 they've been told can't be spiritual. 759 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,640 It's, you know, it's mold. And your goal was curiosity, but 760 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,720 you have seen so many people come to a place where they have 761 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,760 a genuine faith in Jesus Christ. It's not that they're pursuing 762 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,960 the demonic, but you're actually reaching out to people that are 763 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,840 disenfranchised, who have deconstructed their faith, that 764 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,520 are at a place where they know the demonic is real, but they 765 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,440 have never seen the power of God or the freedom of God. 766 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,880 And I just want to, I want to celebrate that, Ryan, because I 767 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,200 found everything that all of the interviews to be so well 768 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,120 conducted. You answered every question that 769 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,280 I would have on the outside looking in. 770 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,040 And I'm so, so impressed by Father. 771 00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:43,680 I mean, I'm just his, his grace, something he said. 772 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,240 And again, I want every believer out there to know that you have 773 00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:50,400 authority in Christ, but you will only have the authority you 774 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,200 have in Christ if you actually use that authority. 775 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:59,240 And we know as Christians the way into spiritual authority is 776 00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:02,200 obedience. So confession, obedience, 777 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,440 resisting the devil means a pathway of obedience, and then 778 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,560 he flees. But we have the right to use the 779 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,720 name of Jesus, and the name of Jesus is higher than any other 780 00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:15,640 name. And the enemy will always tell 781 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,840 you, no, you can't say that I saw what you watched, or I heard 782 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,600 how you talk to your husband, or heard how you were impatient 783 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,160 with your children. I want you to know that he is a 784 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,960 liar and you have the name of Jesus, that name that actually 785 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,320 is a spiritual banner over your life of authority. 786 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,840 And it has nothing to do with you and everything to do with 787 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,480 what he did for you. And so at the end of the day, I 788 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,880 think that the Exorcist Files is going to open up doors for 789 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,720 people. And I want all of my people in 790 00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:52,000 my audience to, to explore this because you have so many 791 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,960 questions. But I want you to do a deep dive 792 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,720 into God's faithfulness and how are you serving God? 793 00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:00,760 Are you, are you walking in obedience? 794 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,440 Are you walking in humility? Are you comparing and chronic? 795 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,320 You know, it's so interesting. It says the lust of the eye, the 796 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,520 lust of the flesh, and the pride of life. 797 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,600 These are the things that will never actually be quenched in 798 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,720 our life if we are not doing something that is a constant 799 00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:19,960 reminder. What I love about the message 800 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:25,640 translation, it says the pride of life is wanting to appear 801 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,400 important in the eyes of others. I remember years ago God asked 802 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,240 me, what do you want, Lisa? Do you want to be popular or do 803 00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:36,320 you want to be influential? And at the end of the day, you 804 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,840 can be popular with people and not have power in your life. 805 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,120 And popular means common and trendy, but influential means 806 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,840 that you have the power of God in your life, which means 807 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,640 sometimes you notice the one and sometimes you walk only in your 808 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,280 realm and not compare yourself to other people's realms. 809 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,160 Ryan, can you do something? Can you pray for the people that 810 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,600 are out there that are like, wow, this, this brought up so 811 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,160 many questions for me and I want to do a deep dive. 812 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,480 I want to be curious and I don't want to be afraid. 813 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,640 I want to walk in my authority and I want to walk closer to 814 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:11,760 Christ. Can you pray for them? 815 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,400 Absolutely. Well, Lord, thank you for this 816 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,480 opportunity and thank you for today. 817 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,840 Lord, I pray that we would have hearts of Thanksgiving rejoicing 818 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,960 always, no matter what the world throws at us. 819 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,680 And so, Lord, would you guard our minds and our hearts as we 820 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,960 pursue truth wherever it leads to lead us into the fullness of 821 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,600 truth, Lord. And so, Lord, I pray for anyone 822 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,240 listening who desires to learn more about this topic that you 823 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:39,840 would illuminate, that you would highlight, that you would speak 824 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,440 loudly, God, and that you would lead us into the proper 825 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,880 perspective on this. Lord, that is my prayer every 826 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,920 time I do this Show. Lord, with that we would just be 827 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,240 we would be authentic to the truth in this teaching or so 828 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:57,040 help us find that balance to not to glorify the demonic and give 829 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,320 it too much attention, but to not be ignorant of the schemes 830 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,000 of what is happening. And so but Lord help us have in 831 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,560 the words of the canonical Friday Night Lights, help us 832 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,800 have clear eyes and full hearts for you, Lord. 833 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,960 So thank you for this show and bless all who listen and click 834 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,720 that like and subscribe button. You are hilarious. 835 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,160 You know, we've talked about the really big, but I want to make 836 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,200 it personal. I want to bring it home to you. 837 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,760 If you're a young mother and you're like, my baby is having 838 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,480 night terrors, or maybe you're a young single girl and you're 839 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,640 having sleep paralysis at night. I want you to know that the name 840 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:38,280 of Jesus is just as powerful in your mouth as it is in anybody 841 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,400 else's mouth. The enemy doesn't want you to 842 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,280 know that. He wants you to think you got to 843 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,080 go outside to actually find help. 844 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,800 But I want, I want you to know that as a mother of young kids, 845 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,120 I remember one of my sons was going through something and it 846 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,760 wasn't making any sense. And I had such an awareness. 847 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,440 The Holy Spirit said you don't want to scare him and pray over 848 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,840 him while he's awake. Wait until he goes to sleep. 849 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:08,280 Something unhealthy, something unclean has tried to attach 850 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,800 itself to him. And so I remember going up to 851 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,000 the rooms, I had all the boys in one room and I just, I just 852 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,920 listened to the Holy Spirit and I laid hands on my son and I 853 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,240 just very calmly, I didn't have to yell. 854 00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:25,520 I didn't have to scream. I said I break any unholy, 855 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:30,400 ungodly alliance between him and I said the person's name and 856 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,520 when I laid hands on my son, I don't know if you've ever seen 857 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,840 those medical things when they shock people back into a place 858 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,680 of life. My son came off the bed and then 859 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:45,080 went back down and never, ever asked for that person or asked 860 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,760 to. You don't like be involved with 861 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,880 that person again. Something that the devil had 862 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,600 tried to weave. I as his mother was able to 863 00:41:54,720 --> 00:42:00,200 exercise my authority and say Nope, Nope, this is my son and 864 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,520 he is under my protection and this household is a household 865 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,720 that serves God. So we will not tolerate any 866 00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:11,920 weaving of darkness with any members of this household. 867 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,080 Something else that was crazy, I used to, we were first in our 868 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,640 apartment. We only had one child and there 869 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,120 was, I love blue and white porcelain and I had this blue 870 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,440 and white porcelain thing. And every time I would go to 871 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,640 pray, I would feel something with the vase and I would look 872 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,960 over at the vase and I think how there's, that's weird. 873 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,840 I don't know why I feel weird about that vase. 874 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,160 And then one day I sat on the floor and I noticed that all of 875 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,120 the, the feet on the vase were skulls. 876 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,440 And I was like, OK, that thing that's an that's an instrument 877 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,920 of death. And I am a child of life. 878 00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:45,400 And I thought I can either pray for I can throw it out, but I 879 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,240 just threw it out. So there might be things in your 880 00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,240 house and there's something in your house. 881 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,760 You don't have to be afraid. You just need to be sensitive in 882 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,560 the spirit and just get that thing out. 883 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,920 There are so many games going on right now that are trying to 884 00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:03,120 bring darkness and fear into our children. 885 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,520 That's I'm going to charge you to be sensitive and protective 886 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,280 over your children's imaginations. 887 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:15,400 God wants to anoint your children's imaginations and the 888 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,960 enemy wants to darken it and he wants to shut it down for his 889 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,920 purposes. So, so as a Mama, I'm giving you 890 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,000 permission to take away phones. I'm giving you permission to 891 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,520 shut down screen time, send your kids outside to play in the 892 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,360 fresh air and the sunshine and let them reconnect with creation 893 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,080 and their creator. Thank you so much for joining us 894 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,000 for the Lisa of your podcast. I'm hoping that this spoke 895 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,320 something to you and we want to hear from you. 896 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,960 So please, please, please put comments and questions in there 897 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,720 because I want to see you actually personally helped and 898 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:53,520 I'm I want to see your household filled with the Spirit of God.