1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,000 We are on the verge of another election. 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:08,600 We are a nation on the threshold of either revival or ruin. 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:14,040 If we want to see a unified and better world, how do we fight 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:15,920 for that without fighting someone else? 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,120 I'm going to say this, 2020 was triggering for me. 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:23,120 It was awful. You can't be conservative to the 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,480 neglect of being a Christian, and you can't be progressive to 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,000 the neglect of being a Christian. 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,960 You are first and foremost a Christ follower. 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,800 So I want to ask you, is it important that we still have a 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:37,840 voice within our nation in voting? 12 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:42,800 I'm not going to tell you how to vote, but I am going to talk to 13 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:48,360 you back, OK? I am. 14 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,520 I'm in a little bit of angst right now. 15 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:55,600 We are on the verge of another election, a big election. 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,320 And I'm going to say this, 2020 was triggering for me. 17 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:05,640 It was, it was awful. So many people with so much 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,880 anger and so many opinions. And I feel like we're 19 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,680 escalating. We're going up to that place 20 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,240 again. And so I'm not going to tell you 21 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,280 how to vote, but I am going to talk to you about how you should 22 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,240 behave. We need to stop being ugly and 23 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,880 hateful Christians. Whenever it gets to an election 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,480 time, we need to act like the elect instead of acting like we 25 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,400 only care about election returns. 26 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,640 This is a crazy, crazy time, Christian. 27 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:38,440 I remember after the 2020 election, I had posted a quote 28 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,520 by Abraham Lincoln. I was like, I feel like Abraham 29 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,880 Lincoln is safe. I feel like I feel like I can go 30 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,640 with Abe. And it said we are not enemies, 31 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,280 we are friends. And I thought, I think everybody 32 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,920 needs to remember we all go to the same country. 33 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:54,880 A lot of us call ourselves Christians. 34 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,640 I'm figuring my people that they're not going to hang around 35 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,000 if they're not Christians. And I said, come on, come on. 36 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,080 We need to stop polarizing. We got to stop saying, oh, if 37 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,919 you voted, you voted that way, you're a white supremacist who 38 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,640 endorses violence. Or if you voted the other way, 39 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:16,840 you're a Marxist baby, I said. We are Americans. 40 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:21,640 We're Americans and we have the privilege of voting. 41 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,800 We should not be attacking one another, causing division. 42 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,880 We need to actually give people margin to not feel like they can 43 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,160 stick their heels in the ground and fight for their whatever 44 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,120 moment. But we need to move forward as 45 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,920 Kingdom people. I believe in voting. 46 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,520 I believe it's a privilege. And as long as we have the right 47 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,400 and the privilege to vote, we should vote. 48 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,400 And I believe that we should vote according to Scripture, 49 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:53,080 according to the what what we see as Christians outlined. 50 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:58,880 But what I am concerned about is the hateful behavior of 51 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:03,400 Christians during the election, the demonizing of everybody that 52 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,240 they think disagrees with them. I'm just going to ask you right 53 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,240 off the bat, how do you form your opinions, whether they're 54 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,120 well informed, they're biblically informed? 55 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,560 How do you form those without getting into this place of 56 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,440 division that we're seeing so commonly? 57 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,240 Yeah, well, I mean, I think that all of us need to vote platform, 58 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,680 not personality. I'm, I'm, I may get in trouble 59 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,000 for this. I don't trust the media. 60 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,480 I don't trust the media. So we need to do a little bit of 61 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,520 our own due diligence. And here's the other thing. 62 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,440 See, when I was growing up, there was something called 63 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,760 voting booths. You got to go into a boat booth 64 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,200 and vote. Nobody knew what you put on 65 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,640 there. It was between you and your pen. 66 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,880 You put it in and you had the right to privacy. 67 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,840 And right now, people are publicly arguing with one 68 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,240 another rather than actually persuading. 69 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,640 Like we need to be able to talk about things in ways that are 70 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,720 civilized. I am so tired of the name 71 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,400 calling. I am so tired of the slandering. 72 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,840 And as Christians, as Christians, we need to call each 73 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,000 other up, not out. And I'm just seeing so many 74 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,200 people saying, oh, that part of the body of Christ, They're not 75 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,720 even really Christians only. We're the real Christians over 76 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,680 there. They're not really Christians 77 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,120 only. We're the real Christians. 78 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:29,960 And the truth is, when we have pride and strife rampant in the 79 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,520 body of Christ, when we have, then we'll have division and 80 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:38,520 chaos and every evil work. Even if we think we're doing 81 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,160 right, we will end up with the wrong result. 82 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:43,560 And you're saying this across the board? 83 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,280 I'm saying this across the. Board both parties believing and 84 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:48,040 unbelieving. We've made a mess. 85 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,920 How would you begin to unwind that? 86 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,800 Like, what should we be doing to unmake the division? 87 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,080 Create unity without compromising. 88 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,120 Because I know we also say truth in love. 89 00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:00,560 Yeah. Keep to your principles. 90 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,520 Yeah. You know, and, and I believe 91 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:08,760 that we don't have to go to the RNC or the DNC to get our 92 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,840 opinions. I believe we need to know the 93 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:13,440 platform. We need to say what we need to 94 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:19,320 be informed and we need to say, now if I'm informed on what this 95 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,800 party stands for, how does that agree or disagree with 96 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,280 Scripture? And, and so that is at the end 97 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:29,880 of the day, it's not the word of a politician. 98 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,320 It's the word of God. Like what does it? 99 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,960 And then you don't have to prove your point to everybody else. 100 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,000 You know, you and John and I are big believers and you preach the 101 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,760 truth and the truth exposes lies. 102 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,920 You don't attack people, you attack lies. 103 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,480 And so when we when we have a culture of sound bites and lies, 104 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,000 we become a culture that just echoes sound bites and lies. 105 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,240 And we need to be people who understand the word of God. 106 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:03,680 And when it comes to politics, politics, Oh my gosh, we need to 107 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,280 hit our knees and stop throwing stones. 108 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,000 We need to cry out for God to heal our nation. 109 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,920 We need to be involved in that healing, but we need to stop 110 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,480 thinking that the anybody that looks different, thinks 111 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,840 different than us is a problem. We are a nation on the threshold 112 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:26,520 of either revival or ruin. As far as I am concerned. 113 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,640 There's there's never been a clear path where we need to seek 114 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:36,000 God because we have so much sin in our nation that if we do not 115 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,040 seek God, we are not going to be able to rightly divide anything. 116 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,240 We're just going to be divided. And that's where we are right 117 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:43,880 now. We are houses divided. 118 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,120 We are people divided. We are divided by things that 119 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,160 should never divide us. And we need to be a people where 120 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,040 we stand in the middle and declare truth even if it means 121 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,640 we get shot at by both sides. And, and I remember I remember 122 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,440 getting shot at from both sides. I remember when I posted the 123 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:06,320 Abraham Lincoln quote and said, hey, don't allow the media to 124 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,160 say you have to hate each other. Don't allow the media to divide 125 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,680 immediately. I had half my group say, I can't 126 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,640 believe you voted for Biden. I'm unfollowing you. 127 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,080 Then the other half said, I can't believe you voted for 128 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:19,600 Trump. I'm unfollowing you. 129 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,720 I didn't say anything. I said do not allow a spirit of 130 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:29,240 division to split this nation because that ruling demonic 131 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,840 dragon, I mean, we're in the year of the dragon. 132 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:38,520 Dragons create chaos. Chaos works best in confusion 133 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,640 and division. And so that's really what I want 134 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:46,080 to speak to is we do not want to partner with the Dragon's dream 135 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:51,960 of chaos, division, destruction, violence, discouragement, 136 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,760 hopelessness. We do not want to do that. 137 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:59,080 And at the end of the day, at the end of the day, it is not 138 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,480 our source is not one presidential candidate, the 139 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:08,600 other, our source is God. And, and you know, I, I'm 140 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,120 having, I'm having a hard time saying this the same way as I 141 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,000 used to say, that's how I said it before. 142 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,280 It's not one party or the other, it's Kingdom. 143 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,040 And we need to be people that say what aligns with the 144 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,080 Kingdom, what aligns with the Kingdom because there's bad 145 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,400 things about both parties. There's bad things about both 146 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,480 the politicians, but there's nothing bad with the Kingdom. 147 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,720 And so when we are Kingdom driven people, we will vote 148 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:37,520 according to Kingdom principles, which should give you a clear 149 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,600 path forward. I don't have to tell you, 150 00:08:40,039 --> 00:08:45,880 goodness gracious, you should be able to monitor yourself control 151 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:50,080 and not get get involved in contentions online. 152 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,880 You know, we've lost the art of conversation. 153 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,640 You know, it used like there's people that that will disagree 154 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,360 with me and they will just attack me. 155 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,760 Then I have people that disagree with me and you what they do, 156 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,000 they text me and they're like, Hey, I just, I just kind of want 157 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,080 to, I want to put this on your on your radar. 158 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,160 And you know what? I appreciate the fact that they 159 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,320 respect me enough to reach out because they believe I'm 160 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,440 reasonable and I want you to be a reasonable people. 161 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,600 I want you to be led by the spirit and reasonable people. 162 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,160 You do not have the right to hate people that disagree with 163 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:30,800 you. I don't. 164 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,920 You will never have the right to use violence. 165 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:41,680 You will never have the right to cut off half the body of Christ 166 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:44,880 because you think less of them or or whatever. 167 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:49,760 And so we have a culture that is screaming left and right and we 168 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,120 cannot choose left or right. We have to choose rightly 169 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,840 related with Jesus and he doesn't form our decisions. 170 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:58,800 Yeah, I'm gonna be honest with you. 171 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:03,800 I remember when I first got to the voting age, I just had no 172 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,760 interest in being part of it because I would see all the 173 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,360 commercials of like, I'm so and so. 174 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,920 And I endorse this message. The other party is terrible. 175 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:12,520 You should vote for me. And I was like, this just feels 176 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,120 like high school gossip. And that was even years ago with 177 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,640 different candidates. So that's not even pointing to a 178 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,760 party, but it just felt so messy to me. 179 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:22,680 It is messy. I thought, I don't even know how 180 00:10:22,680 --> 00:10:26,240 to get involved with this. Now that I have children, I see 181 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,840 the urgency and I'm like, well, I can't ignore this. 182 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,480 I have to be proactive. But it still feels just so 183 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,280 misaligned. I'm like, I just want to know 184 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:37,360 what the meat of the matter is. So I want to ask you anyone else 185 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,360 that feels that same way of goodness, Lisa, there is so much 186 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,040 division. I don't even want to voice 187 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:43,080 anything. I don't want to have these 188 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,560 conversations. Is it important that we still 189 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:49,560 have a voice within our nation and voting? 190 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,000 Absolutely. I mean, being proactive rather 191 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,680 than problematic is going to be the solution going forward. 192 00:10:56,680 --> 00:11:01,160 We need to be a people that say I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to 193 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,320 form my decisions off the word of God. 194 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,360 Those will be my convictions. But that doesn't mean that I 195 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,000 can't have respectful conversations with other people. 196 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:17,320 Matter of fact, you know, when I feel respected, I feel heard, 197 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,600 even if even if I disagree. And what we're happening is 198 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:26,000 right now, we have so many people that are so hard line on 199 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,280 their side that they are actually making it difficult. 200 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,400 And I hope you hear me. You can't. 201 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:38,800 You can't be conservative to the neglect of being a Christian and 202 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,720 you can't be progressive to the neglect of being a Christian. 203 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,600 You are not first and foremost progressive or or conservative. 204 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,440 You are first and foremost a Christ follower and you have to 205 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,440 live like a Christ follower and you can't hate anyone. 206 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:58,120 You don't get to hate people. You don't get to attack people. 207 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,720 You don't get to slander people. You don't get to listen to 208 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:06,320 gossip mongering. We need to step back and recover 209 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,760 some sensibility and, and not, you know, be like, well, who you 210 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,240 vote, who you for, who you for, you know, here's the thing. 211 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,520 The enemy always chooses sides, but God says, all right, who's 212 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,800 on my side? Like I, I love the dynamic of 213 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:25,360 when Moses comes down, there has been like all this chaos. 214 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,920 They're like, hey, Moses, you're taking too much on yourself. 215 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:29,960 You know, listen, we we're all holy. 216 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,080 We're all holy. You're not, you don't get to be 217 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:33,600 the big leader. We're all holy. 218 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,640 God talks to us. We don't even Korra's rebellion. 219 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,120 And Moses isn't like, who's on Korra's side? 220 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:40,760 He didn't do that. He said, who's on the Lord's 221 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,080 side? And that's what we need to ask a 222 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:44,240 question. And I'm going to talk about 223 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:45,560 politicians. I'm talking about you. 224 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:47,800 Are you going to be on one side or the other? 225 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,680 Are you going to be on the Lord's side when Joshua, after 226 00:12:50,680 --> 00:12:54,320 40 years of wandering in the desert, being lied to, having 227 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,720 snakes, killing off your parents, all the different 228 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:01,840 plagues going on, he's finally on the edge of the promised land 229 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,600 and he sees a warrior and he's like, OK, I got to figure out 230 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,120 who this guy's because I don't know who he is. 231 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:07,240 He's like, whose side are you on? 232 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,920 And he says, I'm not on anybody's side. 233 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,520 I am the captain of the army of the Lord of hosts. 234 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,040 Take off your shoes. This is holy ground. 235 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,080 We have a privilege to vote, but we do not have the right to be 236 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:28,760 mean or hateful or a divisive. We need to be people who vote in 237 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:34,680 a way that honors our God commitment, but we need to honor 238 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:39,120 the people that we see and not alienate half the nation because 239 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,280 I, I just don't want to see our nation split again. 240 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:48,280 The division is so it is so epidemic right now. 241 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,080 And this has been something that the enemy has worked on for so 242 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:56,120 long and so hard Christian ever since 2020, vaccinated, not 243 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,680 vaccinated, you know, male, female, just what it's constant 244 00:13:59,680 --> 00:14:03,640 division, division, division. And we, we exercise our rights 245 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,840 to vote, but we also exercise self-control and kindness. 246 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,040 Hey, I am so excited. The Fight for Female Reclaiming 247 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,760 our Divine Identity book is now available. 248 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:19,320 I am so excited that you can get your hands on this message. 249 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,640 It is filled with practical wisdom and conversation. 250 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,560 So many people are like Lisa, thank you so much. 251 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,840 I didn't know how to say or what to say and so I'm hearing the 252 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,600 reviews. Super exciting. 253 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,000 You can grab your copy today on Amazon. 254 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,840 It is the kindness of God that leads us to repentance, not the 255 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,360 anger. I mean, and again, going back, 256 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:45,040 the wrath of man or woman never works the righteous purposes of 257 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,640 God. And I'm seeing a lot of 258 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:51,040 ministers get really worked up and say if you're not like me, 259 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,760 then you're like them. And that is very much a binary 260 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,720 choice. Well, maybe those people want to 261 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,960 hear them. We do not want to, we do not 262 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,960 want to push people away by labeling them. 263 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,320 It's it was so crazy when I wrote without rival. 264 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:09,600 It says depersonalizing everyone into a rival. 265 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,440 We cannot depersonalize, we cannot label, we cannot shame. 266 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:19,200 We need to be more united than ever before as followers of 267 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,680 Jesus Christ and pray for our nation. 268 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,320 Period. Not praying against not praying. 269 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,840 We need to pray God's will for our nation. 270 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,600 So I'm hearing you say, is someone listening to this is to 271 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,520 have your convictions formed from the word stand with those, 272 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:39,320 but not to try to bring everyone to your side or dig your heels 273 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,680 in the sand. Because I've seen, I mean, we've 274 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,320 all seen the debates online, We've seen the debates in 275 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,000 person, the videos, and I just don't feel like we're actually 276 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:52,120 getting any of the intended desires that we thought we would 277 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,480 get from any of those. So what do you think Jesus would 278 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,920 do if he was a person like you and me voting in this election? 279 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,480 What would he do in this time? Well, first of all, I think that 280 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,560 Jesus had the revelation that he belonged to another Kingdom. 281 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,120 Now I don't think the Jews got to vote under Roman rule. 282 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,640 I think the Romans were the little bit, the oppressors 283 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,600 there. But he seemed to have the 284 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,960 awareness that you render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, which 285 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,360 is our right to vote. And you render unto God what is 286 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,320 God's. And we get, we get weird when we 287 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:28,640 blur the 2, when we expect God to deal with Caesar or Caesar to 288 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,440 deal with God, we need to render to Caesar what is Caesar to God, 289 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,560 what is God. And, and for all of us. 290 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,800 That means, I mean, I, we're going to vote, we're going to 291 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,000 vote. It's important, it's that we 292 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,800 vote, but it's also important that we pray, pray and act. 293 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,480 And I, I do think people are thinking right now, it doesn't 294 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,840 matter elections are rigged. It doesn't matter which way I 295 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,360 vote, my vote won't count. That is what the enemy wants you 296 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,560 to believe. He wants to intimidate you into 297 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,520 inaction. So here's the way I look at it. 298 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:06,720 If I do my thing, if I vote, I pray, I vote, I do my civic 299 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,960 duty. If they are corrupt with it, I 300 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,680 did my duty and I my hands are clean. 301 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,680 That's how I see a Christian. I did my duty, my hands are 302 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:16,040 clean. It's. 303 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,319 Like the Barabbas and Jesus, you know what I did, what I did. 304 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,160 OK, I want to ask you this. When we look at 1st Corinthians 305 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,839 110, this is what's interesting to me, and I want to ask you if 306 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:28,400 maybe you can shed some clarity on it. 307 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:31,320 It says I appeal to your brothers and sisters in the name 308 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,120 of our Lord Jesus Christ that all of you agree with one 309 00:17:34,120 --> 00:17:37,520 another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, 310 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,920 but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. 311 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:48,680 So we don't want disunity, but if we want to see a unified and 312 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,760 better world, how do we fight for that without fighting 313 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,560 someone else? Do you get what I'm saying? 314 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,400 Yes, yeah. And that's that's the tricky 315 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,640 part, isn't it? I mean, my husband and I can be 316 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,360 united. That doesn't mean we're same. 317 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,920 I think we can be united in purpose. 318 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,160 I think that all the Christians can say, I'm going to believe 319 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,720 that our nation that was founded as one nation under God will 320 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,680 actually live up to the one nation under God. 321 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,200 I'm going to believe that our nation will have leaders that 322 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,160 will rule with truth and justice, that our leaders will 323 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,600 be surrounded with people that will give them wise counselor 324 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,640 and stewardship. That we're going to pray, and 325 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,400 this one I will get political on that. 326 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,400 We will pray for the peace of Jerusalem, that we will pray for 327 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:37,480 a revival in Israel, that there will be a settling and peace in 328 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,280 Israel. Pretty much all of the 329 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,160 civilization of the world has come through the Middle East. 330 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:47,560 We need to pray for peace in the Middle East, period. 331 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,160 We don't pray for peace for just this group or just that group. 332 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,280 We pray for peace. But God says that we are 333 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,240 specifically to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. 334 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,400 So we're believing that the king of peace, peace Salem means 335 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,560 peace. The king of peace will reign in 336 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,400 the Middle East and over our nation. 337 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:14,280 Do we believe that the Spirit of God will be honored in every 338 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:19,040 area and that everything that is wicked would be exposed, That 339 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,960 God is the one who will separate the precious from the vile? 340 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,000 That everything that can be shaken will be shaken. 341 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,320 I believe that we're in that season right now in the church 342 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,640 that God is like, I'm going to shake these things. 343 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,520 I'm going to shake these things at the rotten fruit falls off 344 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:38,480 and the ripe fruit falls. God is shaking our nation and 345 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,360 things are getting revealed left and right and we don't want to 346 00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:46,760 stabilize what God is shaking. We need to let the shaking 347 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,520 happen, but we ourselves need to stop being part of the 348 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,800 accusation. Let God do the shaking and then 349 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,520 we do our part. It's said that we're supposed to 350 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,680 pray for our leaders, pray for our leaders. 351 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,360 Not just the leaders that we elected, we pray for. 352 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:07,520 For all of our leaders that we can live godly and peaceful 353 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:08,760 life. Peaceful. 354 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,400 I don't. I think that's a word. 355 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,120 Peaceful lives anyway. That we can live godly and 356 00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:17,640 peaceful lives. Prayer is not a weak thing. 357 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,800 Prayer is a privilege. Prayer is an honor. 358 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,800 Prayer is a strategy. Prayer is a release of God's 359 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,240 Kingdom into the Kingdom of this world. 360 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:32,080 When I pray thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it 361 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,840 is in heaven. I am including every nation in 362 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,760 the world and specifically America. 363 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,440 So we need to pray and we need to pray. 364 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,160 Not like a scared prayers, like I'm so scared it's going to be 365 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:43,840 so bad. I hope so and so are this and 366 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:48,200 that we need to pray Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth 367 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,360 as it is in heaven. God, may heaven and earth align 368 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,600 with your purpose and your will right now. 369 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:58,000 And I'm not going to curse those that are made in your image. 370 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,720 I'm not going to mock, but I will mark. 371 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,720 I will say this one is standing for this and this one is 372 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,760 standing for that. And there's a clarity. 373 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,920 So we can we can mark, but we cannot mock. 374 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,720 God does not want us mocking our brothers and sisters. 375 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,480 God is OK with us marking like, hey, hey, this is this is, this 376 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,160 is concerning, but not mocking. And at the end of the day, 377 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,200 they're not my servants. They're God's servants. 378 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,480 If they're ministers and I feel like they're not doing what they 379 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,160 should do, that's between them and God. 380 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,280 But I will continue to. I will continue to preach the 381 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,080 truth. That and I think it's worth 382 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:39,440 mentioning the Romans 12/18. So if everything I can do to 383 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,200 live at peace, that doesn't mean as. 384 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,880 Much as in your power, yes. Yes, and I think there's a big 385 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,080 difference between peace maker and peacekeeper like so we want 386 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,000 to be active, but I know your hope is that we walk away more 387 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,760 unified, more celebratory, more in line with what God even wants 388 00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:00,720 to do in our nation. How would you help someone know, 389 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:05,280 like a gut check of, hey, maybe you know, maybe you have been so 390 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,040 passionate about this topic, it has gotten a little divisive or 391 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,080 you have felt like you had to just go out and say this. 392 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,360 What's your gut check for? This is how to be aligned. 393 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:16,160 This is how to be in this vein of unity. 394 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,360 But still I'm. Passionate, I think. 395 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,960 I think it's always easier to choose sides. 396 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,320 So I think if we can step back, maybe have a pen and paper 397 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:30,200 instead of our phone and say, what is God honoring and what is 398 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,960 God dishonouring? What has what is the right of 399 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,880 governance? What what is our nation like? 400 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,040 What are the tenants of our nation, the honored God that 401 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,720 need to be upheld? And what are the things that 402 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,160 need to maybe be shifted? I don't know. 403 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,640 You know, I'm going to say very clearly, I have been very clear. 404 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,320 There's two things that are very important to me and that is the 405 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,800 image of God and that is the sanctity of life. 406 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,800 And so those are things that if I see those compromised or not 407 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,560 accommodated, those are going to be very big issues for me. 408 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,480 But you can't make every issue a big issue and everything 409 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,000 contention and everybody is someone you're arguing with. 410 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:17,600 But I can have conversations with people that I say, Hey, you 411 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:22,080 may, you know, you may, you may think, no, my big issue on how I 412 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,880 vote is this. So I'm not going to be like, no, 413 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,840 that's the wrong issue. It needs to be my issue. 414 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:29,960 So we need to say what is God honoring? 415 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,400 And strife has never gone on ring strife has never gone. 416 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,960 So if we've gotten caught up in all the narratives, all the 417 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,160 arguments of this or arguments of that, we need to stand in the 418 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,880 middle. God, what are you saying? 419 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:47,760 How can, how can your spirit and your will and your ways be more 420 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,720 celebrated in our nation? I'm going to go that way in my 421 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,640 vote, but even more so, even more so than in my vote, I'm 422 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:54,840 going to go that way with my life. 423 00:23:55,280 --> 00:24:00,360 I'm, I'm not going to attack, accuse, blame, slander. 424 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,840 I'm not going to partner with the dragon and be divisive. 425 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,760 I'm going to partner with God and believe that God can 426 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,640 actually do something in our nation and He can turn the heart 427 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,040 of the king and his because that that heart is in his hand. 428 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,640 He can turn it whatever way he wants. 429 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,560 I was just about to ask you, I mean, I love the wisdom that you 430 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,240 share. Obviously, you've seen many 431 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,960 things within politics over the last few years. 432 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:26,680 Is there a story that sticks out of for someone that's like, 433 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,200 well, Lisa, if I don't say this, nothing is going to change. 434 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,560 Is there a story where you saw the King's heart change? 435 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,200 I mean the Jesus movement all that time. 436 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,800 I was kind of oblivious. I think I was like 8 during the 437 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,320 Jesus movement. No, I've seen, to be honest with 438 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:48,760 you, I saw, I saw our nation slide. 439 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:56,960 I saw distrust in the in the mid 70s and then I saw hope come 440 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,640 back into our nation And I, I feel like where we are right 441 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,400 now, we've been before, which actually gives me hope that, 442 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,360 that while we all like people, just like, I don't trust 443 00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:10,120 anybody. I don't get my voice. 444 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,400 My, I don't trust them. My, my vote doesn't count. 445 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,000 Government's all what, whatever the narrative is in their head. 446 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,040 I feel like in this season of hopelessness, when men have 447 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,680 failed and when people have failed us and government has 448 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,520 failed us, we lift our eyes and then God begins to move in a, in 449 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,720 a, a new way. And so I am believing for a new 450 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:37,560 day for our nation and that that's a new day is very 451 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:38,920 different than just a new leader. 452 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:45,000 I was thinking how Jesus talks to people and when Jesus is like 453 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,320 gathering everybody for the last days and judgement or whatever 454 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,800 and he's, he's got the wedding banquet and he's like, see 455 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,640 somebody come in without his garment on. 456 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,400 He's like, Hey, friend, hey, where's your garment? 457 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,280 And he's like, I don't have one. I and he's like bind him hand 458 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,120 and foot, toss him out. But he, he opens up with 459 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:11,640 friendship and we need to open up conversations and hearts with 460 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,720 friendship. We need to open up with 461 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,200 conversation, not just throwing our ideas out there first. 462 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,600 I remember that when John and I were in a season of contention, 463 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,720 I was like, he is not listening. I'll just say it louder. 464 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,040 I'll just say it with some threats. 465 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:28,800 I'll call a friend, get their opinion. 466 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,240 I have their opinion to it. And I'm just going to layer all 467 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,480 this. And I was like, Lisa, if you 468 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:40,320 want John to hear you say it the way you'd want to hear it, it's 469 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,240 not complicated. Do you like being called names? 470 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,480 Do you like being labeled? Do you like being yelled at? 471 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:54,120 No, nobody does. We need to speak to people, and 472 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:59,520 we need to talk to them the way we'd want them to speak and talk 473 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,160 to us. We need to believe the best 474 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,120 first, not last. We need to call them friend, 475 00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:05,760 even if they're acting like an enemy. 476 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,880 And we need to create conversations that are 477 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,520 courageous and necessary if we are going to move the needle 478 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,760 forward in our our communities and in our country. 479 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,480 Because at the end of the day, I'm not even sure what the 480 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:26,760 politicians do, but I am aware of my neighbors and my family 481 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,600 and my friends. And if we do not have healthy, 482 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,480 strong families and communities where we respect each other 483 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,520 irregardless of our disagreements on things, we're 484 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,040 going to have greater problems than we could ever have 485 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,000 imagined. OK, so this one's for my 486 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,840 leaders. These are for my Christian 487 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,200 leaders, my influencers, my influencers. 488 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,120 Here's the here's the challenge of our day. 489 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:52,400 And I know it's challenging. We need to be clear. 490 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,640 We need to give Clarion calls. But we can't be cruel. 491 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,000 We can't name call. We can't attack. 492 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,880 We can't isolate. We can't slander. 493 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:09,560 We need to be compelling. I think about Paul speaking in 494 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,040 the book of Acts to King Theopolis, where he was like, 495 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,680 come on, I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you what I 496 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,000 know, what I've seen, what I believe. 497 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:23,400 And I remember he did it in such a winsome, compelling way that 498 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,600 King Theopolis said. Paul, you have almost convinced 499 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,840 me. We need to be people who are 500 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:36,200 convincing and constructive, not critics and callous. 501 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,160 This is not the time for us to be mean spirited. 502 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,880 We need to be clear. We need to be Holy Spirit LED. 503 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,240 I, I don't, I don't think there needs to be confusion around 504 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:54,320 things, but alienation is not going to help us preach the word 505 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,800 of God. Be bold, share your convictions, 506 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,400 and I do think that you can share your convictions from the 507 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,080 pulpit. Separation of church and state 508 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,160 was about protecting the church from the state, not the state 509 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,480 from the church. Do not allow intimidation to 510 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:16,920 cause you to shrink back or shut up, but don't be mean spirited. 511 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,480 There's absolutely no excuse for that. 512 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,440 Well, we hope that today's episode gave you some type of 513 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,840 parameters and honestly some type of hope for this coming 514 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,200 election. And we do hope that you would 515 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,160 come back for our next episode. So make sure you're subscribed, 516 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,640 you're rating and reviewing, and we will see you on the next 517 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,080 episode of the Fight for Female podcast.