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We are not wrestling with 
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We are wrestling with demonic 
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Now, I had been raised to be 
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I had the astrology pillow. 
I had a. 

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Ouija. 
Board My family believed in 

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talking to the dead. 
The spirit realm controls every 

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other realm. 
We are seeing demonic warfare 

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escalate at an unprecedented 
rate right now. 

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We are seeing so many people not
just under attack, but attacking

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one another. 
And when we see this climate of 

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upheaval and chaos and attack, 
we need to remember there is 

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something darker in the shadows.
We are not wrestling with 

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people. 
We are wrestling with the 

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serpent. 
Welcome to the Fight for Female 

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podcast. 
I'm Lisa Bevere, and I believe 

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that female is something worth 
fighting for. 

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I don't know if you are 
noticing, but women are under 

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attack. 
We've got culture sexualizing 

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what it means to be a woman, and
we have the church silencing the

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voice of its daughters. 
And the very first thing I want 

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to say on the very onslaught is 
we are not wrestling with 

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people. 
We are wrestling with demonic 

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forces. 
And I know they're like, wait a 

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minute, I don't want to hear 
that. 

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I am wrestling with demonic 
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Well, you are. 
Not long ago, I had this 

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incredible privilege to be part 
of a mentoring group. 

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I was the one older woman there 
and we were sitting at 

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breakfast. 
And breakfast is not my best 

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time in the morning. 
I usually require a lot of 

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caffeine to wake up. 
But we were sitting at this 

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table, and it wasn't long before
I became aware that these young 

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girls sitting at this this table
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enemy had strategically marked 
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One of the young women shared 
that she had lost three babies 

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in the last year. 
Another one talked about the 

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discouragement. 
Another one talked about the 

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attack on her marriage. 
Another one talked about the 

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incredible onslaught against 
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And as I listened, I realized 
that they think the wrestling 

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issues that are flesh and blood 
issues, that are people issues, 

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that are government issues, but 
they're not wrestling flesh and 

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blood issues. 
They are wrestling with demonic 

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forces. 
I love that the Bible makes this

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really clear. 
In Ephesians chapter 6, verse 

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10, it says finally, finally be 
strong in the Lord and in the 

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strength of His might. 
Put on your whole armor of God 

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that you may be able to stand 
against the schemes of the 

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devil. 
For we do not wrestle against 

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flesh and blood. 
So that means if it's flesh and 

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blood, that is not what you were
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rulers, against the authorities,
against the cosmic powers over 

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this present darkness, against 
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heavenly places. 
Now, this came home for me 

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pretty hard when I first became 
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Now, I had been raised to be 
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I had the astrology pillow. 
I had a Ouija board. 

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My family believed in talking to
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There was all sorts of crazy 
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But once I became a Christian, I
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force. 
There was light and there was 

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dark, and I needed to confront 
some areas of my life where I 

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had partnered with darkness. 
Just to kind of give you an 

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idea, John and I had gotten 
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So we're going way back now 
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years. 
We had gotten engaged and I had 

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come home to my parents house 
and the oppression in my parents

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home was so overwhelming that 
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literally felt like something 
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me in my bed at night and trying
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And I would hear in my head, you
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Well, I'm going to tell you 
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The enemy is a liar, so he kind 
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So as soon as I said Jesus, all 
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And then I kept thinking, but 
it's a constant battle, it's 

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depressing, it's oppressive. 
And so I called a man who was a 

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spiritual father to me and I 
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home. 
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so depleted and depressed and 
almost ready to even call off my

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marriage. 
And he said, you know what, you 

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need to go through your parents 
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with some of those things that 
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My background was very, very 
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thought it was important to 
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mother and watch scary movies 
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I thought that if I could sit 
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proved that I was brave. 
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time as a little girl hiding 
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him to think, oh, she's brave. 
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watch ghosts, she can watch 
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monsters, and she endures it. 
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fear in me. 
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though I was scared, I kept 
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My mom would sometimes even get 
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me keep her company while she 
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And, and looking back, I, I 
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that. 
So my room was a collection of 

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different things. 
I had a cross above my bed in 

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case a vampire came in, But I 
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that all my friends could sign 
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sleepover. 
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The Ouija board was something 
that you know, you use those at 

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summer parties, you use those at
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You have a question that you 
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Ouija board. 
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the Ouija board worked. 
It worked, but again, it works 

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by a lesser power. 
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divination is real, but 
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the divine. 
We are to be children that are 

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of divine nature, not divination
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So that whole brokenness and 
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astrology, sun signs, all those 
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Again, I was born in 1960. 
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my parents were going down that 
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realized. 
That it was a destructive force 

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and that God actually had 
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Another thing. 
This is kind of an interesting 

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tip. 
But I was born on June 6th, 

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1960, and for a while there 
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the Antichrist was going to be 
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decade. 
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get presents from different 
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They would put them on our front
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on June the 6th. 
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for a while that perhaps I might
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I remember being very thrilled 
when I got born again and I had 

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such a sense of the Holy Spirit 
said your parents have actually 

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given permission for this 
oppression to enter their 

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household, but you have 
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And and that may sound like a 
crazy thing, but what I did is I

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literally walked into my bedroom
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this space is a sacred space. 
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And I am a daughter of God. 
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and I have the authority to 
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And so I draw a bloodline over 
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no evil comes. 
It will not disrupt my dreams 

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anymore. 
It will not oppress my sleep. 

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It will not even torn met me 
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I was wrestling to walk into 
freedom from that in that 

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moment. 
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slept like a baby. 
God began to speak to me in my 

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sleep and it was just this 
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atmosphere. 
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listening to me and you share a 
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Maybe you're listening to me and
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situation. 
Maybe you're listening to me and

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you say, but I believe in my 
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situation where I have limited 
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Well, take the authority that 
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understand that everywhere that 
Jesus went, he had the highest 

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ranking authority. 
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sinners because he had more 
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on him. 
Same thing with the demonic 

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realm. 
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spirit than they have. 
So you can claim the the blood 

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of Jesus and draw a bloodline. 
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God to watch over you, but if 
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to change. 
So I remember he said wait till 

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everybody's gone. 
And I walked through the 

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different rooms and I was 
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I remember feeling such 
hopelessness in my parents 

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bedroom. 
They were on the verge of their 

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second divorce. 
I remember feeling such anger in

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my brother's bedroom. 
I remember actually even feeling

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something connected to the 
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I'm like there is just this 
darkness and oppression in every

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corner of our house. 
But he had told me you can draw 

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a bloodline around your room and
even though your parents have 

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said it's OK for the strife and 
stuff to come in, you can draw a

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bloodline. 
So I went, I went through all of

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upstairs, then I went through 
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kitchen and I remember all of 
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door to his bedroom started 
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Opening and slamming shut. 
I ran out of the house as fast 

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as I could in terror. 
And I thought, Oh my gosh, what 

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noise and I walked back into the
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the stairs, and I saw the door 
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And I was like, in the name of 
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Do you know that the enemy does 
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authority as a believer in Jesus
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He will always say to you, 
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that You're not good enough to 
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What you did last night 
disqualifies you from using your

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authority in the name of Jesus. 
And I'm just going to tell you 

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right now, he is lying to you at
the name of Jesus, not at your 

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name, not at your goodness, not 
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at the name of Jesus. 
Every other knee must bow. 

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And I love that Jesus didn't 
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I'm, I'm going to lend you my 
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He gave us his name. 
He gave us his name and he gave 

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us everything that that name 
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So why am I saying all this? 
Because too many people are 

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fighting spiritual battles in 
their understanding instead of 

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in the spirit. 
Too many people are fighting 

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spiritual battles on their cell 
phones instead of handling 

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things in the spirit. 
You have authority. 

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I don't. 
I don't know if people really 

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understand the authority that we
have as believers, the authority

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we have as women. 
I have so many women tell me, 

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well, my husband isn't taking 
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authority, so my house is just 
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Listen, the Bible does not say 
that you have authority when 

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your husband takes his 
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The Bible says that you have 
authority and I learned this 

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first hand. 
I remember when John first 

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started traveling and speaking, 
he would be pulling out of the 

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driveway and before he even 
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my boys would have, you know, 
split open his chin or the air 

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conditioner would break or we 
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something else would happen. 
And I would get so mad at John. 

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I would say, why aren't you 
praying more? 

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How come you are not praying for
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If you prayed for the people in 
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for your family, you wouldn't 
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I don't think you're praying 
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And John would say to me, Lisa, 
am I being obedient? 

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Am I being obedient to what God 
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And I hated it when he asked me 
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I said, yes, you're being 
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He said, then there is provision
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And he said, when I leave, you 
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Listen, my Bible says that Jesus
stripped the enemy of his 

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authority in the spirit of all 
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And you think, well, he doesn't 
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Well, I'm going to tell you he 
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If you do not walk in your 
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will be more than happy to take 
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it against you. 
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new Christian, I used to get so 
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day I might be a hero. 
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forgot. 
Being a hero has nothing to do 

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with people liking your posts on
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Being a hero is about standing 
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standing in the love of God, 
declaring hope when a generation

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feels hopeless. 
And now I'm going to go Sicilian

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on you for a moment because see,
I'm half Sicilian, which is a 

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good thing because I think it 
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Sicilian. 
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And being half Sicilian, I see 
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enemy that I am a threat. 
You know, it's always 

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interesting to me. 
The way the enemy attacks me is 

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very different than the way he 
attacks my husband. 

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The enemy always attacked me by 
attacking my children, attacking

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my home, attacking the places 
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most. 
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when my home was compromised, 
when I felt like I had a home 

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invasion, I felt unsafe. 
I feel like women get attacked 

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by the enemy in the area of 
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I believe that women are the 
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household. 
John and I are big believers 

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that John is the one who says, 
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this house honor God and that I 
am the out working of the 

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practical application of all 
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And so I was like, why? 
Why is this not working for me? 

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This, this one isn't taking care
of everything. 

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But the truth is delegated 
authority is powerful. 

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my husband was gone. 
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even when he was home, but I had
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than the things men value. 
So I want to speak to every 

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woman out there who feels feels 
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She feels like her household 
feels oppressed who she feels 

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like her identity is under 
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She feels marginalized by the 
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She feels threatened by her age 
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attractive or whatever it is. 
I'm going to tell your identity 

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is daughter of the most High God
and that identity of daughter of

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the most High God carries an 
authority with it that if you 

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don't use it's the same thing as
having money in your pocket that

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you never spent. 
It is up to you to take your 

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authority in the spirit. 
So I gathered these beautiful 

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young girls after breakfast all 
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There had been all these other 
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talk about. 
You can talk about how do you 

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actually, you know, scale your 
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write a book or actually 
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And after sitting and listening 
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these girls have loved God. 
I said, what about something on 

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spiritual warfare? 
And he said, sure, if you want 

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to do that. 
And so many of them leaned in. 

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So many of them asked questions,
they said, I, I feel like I'm 

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waking up at different times of 
the night and I, and I don't 

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know what to do with that. 
I so many of us saying I I know 

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that God wants to talk to me, 
but. 

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I'm not sure. 
I'm hearing him. 

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And so I began to talk to them 
about if you weigh those things 

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in the spirit, if you wake up at
an unusual time in the middle of

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the night and you're not 
breastfeeding a baby, then 

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maybe, just maybe, the Holy 
Spirit is calling you to enter 

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in to a something more moment. 
I remember I had just had my 

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second baby and I found myself 
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the night. 
He was still sleeping in a crib 

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in our room. 
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like, wait, he's still asleep? 
Why am I awake? 

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Because every mother knows you 
actually are halfway up the 

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stairs sometimes before you 
realize you're even walking. 

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But I was over and I was like, 
he's awake. 

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There's something, there's 
something going on. 

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There's a reason that God is 
calling me to get up. 

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And I'm going to be honest with 
you. 

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There's sometimes I'm like, you 
may have a reason, God, but I'm 

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just going to go back to sleep. 
And that's not good. 

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But I have done that. 
But the times that I have paused

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and the times that I have 
listened to that I remember in 

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particular getting up, walking 
out into our living room didn't 

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turn on me the lights and just 
was circling and praying. 

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I remember we were in such a 
rough season of discouragement, 

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of confusion, of a lack of 
clarity. 

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I said, God, I don't know what 
it is that we are wrestling with

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right now, but I know it is 
dark. 

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I know it is after our lives. 
I know it is fighting us with 

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one of the enemy's most crucial 
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And I know right now there are 
so many people wrestling with 

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discouragement. 
Will my life ever matter? 

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Will I ever get an education? 
Will I ever get a house? 

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Will I ever get a job? 
Well, those are all natural 

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things that get attached to a 
very deeper sense of unbelief 

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that you believe. 
God is good for other people, 

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but you get discouraged when you
think that He has a plan and a 

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hope and a future for you. 
And so we want to wrestle with 

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discouragement in our head. 
But discouragement is an attack 

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against you spiritually. 
And so you don't want to fight 

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spiritual things with head 
things. 

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You need to fight spirit to 
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I don't care if it's an eating 
disorder. 

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I don't care if it's a marriage 
issue. 

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I don't care if it is a 
financial issue. 

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You can fight those things in 
the spirit because the spirit 

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realm controls every other 
realm. 

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We are seeing demonic warfare 
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rate right now. 
We are seeing so many people not

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just under attack, but attacking
one another. 

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And when we see this climate of 
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we need to remember there is 
something darker in the shadows.

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We are not wrestling with 
people, we are wrestling with 

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the serpent. 
And it is interesting to me that

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right now we are in the year of 
the dragon, and Dragons 

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represent destruction and chaos.
So stop looking at the 

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government to be your source. 
Stop looking at people to be 

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your answer and go to God. 
Because when the enemy has a 

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scheme, God already always has a
plan. 

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And I'm speaking as somebody who
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than 40 years, and I have seen 
his pattern of faithfulness over

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and over and over played out in 
my life. 

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I'm in a season of my life where
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My husband doesn't like me to 
say that, but that is just a 

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fact. 
I am an older woman. 

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I am 64 this year and I can look
back over the 4143 years of 

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walking with Jesus and I see his
pattern of faithfulness, but I 

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didn't see it in the moment. 
Read the Word of God. 

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Read the word of God and let it 
light up this path before you. 

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You are not the problem. 
Your husband is not the problem.

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Your children are not the 
problem. 

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Your friends are not the 
problem. 

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The money isn't the problem. 
There is a serpent in the 

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shadows that does not want to 
see you become everything that 

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God created you to be, and you 
need to fight to be the female 

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that God wants to see you to 
flourish and become. 

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I find it incredibly 
discouraging that people that 

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dabble in the New age or in 
witchcraft or the occult, they 

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are the ones that actually have 
more of an awareness of the 

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spiritual realm than the 
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I have kind of a funny story. 
Not long ago, I I watched this 

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beautiful woman on Instagram. 
She was just so well spoken and 

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she was Sicilian. 
And I thought, that's it. 

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I'm going to start following 
her. 

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So I start following her and it 
wasn't long before I find out 

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that if I'd like to, I could 
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her. 
And I was like, wait, wait, 

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wait, what just happened here? 
She had this connection with the

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spirit realm from the realm of a
familiar spirit. 

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We have a connection with the 
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Spirit and witchcraft and any 
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It's very interesting, and a lot
of people don't understand this,

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but they draw their power from 
the earth. 

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And yet God said to his children
that we could be innocent of 

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what is evil and excellent of 
what is good. 

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He gives us his word. 
Witchcraft has to involve all 

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these spells and aromatherapy. 
I actually like essential oils, 

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but I'm talking about they have 
to pit all these pieces 

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together. 
And if they don't have all of 

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their pieces in place, that 
curse comes back on them. 

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And God's like, hey, listen, I 
don't want you guys to mess with

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that. 
I want you to be innocent and I 

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want you to be effective, so I'm
going to give you my word. 

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And when you speak my. 
Word, I'm going to watch over my

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word to perform it. 
Crazy but true. 

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I was in South Africa and it was
getting ready to to minister 

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that night. 
And I don't remember what my 

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topic was, but right before, 
right before my time period, I 

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heard the Holy Spirit say, when 
you get up tonight, read this 

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specific passage out of Numbers 
23. 

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And I thought that has nothing 
to do, nothing to do with my 

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message, but I thought, OK, I'm,
I'm just so I pulled it onto my 

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iPad. 
It was a beautiful conference, 

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probably the most well advanced.
I I've been in so many different

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venues, but I don't think I've 
ever been in one that was as 

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pristine and technologically 
advanced as that venue. 

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They had opened up with praise 
and worship, then there was an 

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item, then there was the first 
speaker, then there was a break,

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then there was another item. 
Then there was praise and 

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worship. 
Then they introduced me and all 

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of the power in the building 
went out. 

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But the scripture that God had 
given me was there is no 

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witchcraft against Jacob. 
There is no divination against 

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Israel. 
And I remember in that moment I 

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said I can yell in the dark and 
I just yelled out the scripture 

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and all of the lights went on 
and the guy that was hosting me 

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said that two witches ran out of
the building. 

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You have no idea the power that 
has been made available to us 

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because we are so busy reading 
fragments of the Word instead of

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declaring the word of God and 
all of its might and all of its 

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strength and all of its power. 
And when we actually speak the 

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Word of God, we actually call 
that celestial power, that 

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spiritual realm that is the 
higher realm into play. 

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And so too many Christians, 
they're just, they're casual. 

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They're casual with what is 
powerful, and they're careless 

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with the demonic realm. 
We have no idea how much is 

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getting let in to our homes 
because of things that we laugh 

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at, entertained by, or are even 
in agreement with. 

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Maybe five years ago that was 
OK. 

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This is not the time for us to 
dabble in the new age or 

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manifesting things in our own 
strength and ability. 

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We are actually I love that God 
said for this purpose was the 

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son of God manifest that he 
would destroy the works of the 

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evil 1 so we don't practice the 
works of evil to set people free

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in our own strength. 
We are going to navigate this 

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world by the power of God. 
And again, so many people don't 

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realize that Luciferian mindset 
is all about self. 

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It's not even about Satan. 
It is all about self. 

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And so I think God is shaking 
everything that can be shaken so

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that we get sick of ourselves 
and begin to cry out to God. 

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There's so many people that they
are in the New age or maybe 

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they're playing around with 
tarot cards or the Ouija board 

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or whatever it is. 
They think, Oh no, but I, I'm 

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confused. 
And you hear from the enemy just

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like what I heard. 
You can't say that you can't 

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escape it. 
You can't do that. 

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But the truth is, that's a lie. 
You have been drawn to the 

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supernatural. 
That is why, that is why you 

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even went to tarot cards, 
because you you know that there 

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is another force, that there is 
a greater force. 

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That is why you've gone to Ouija
boards. 

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That's why you've gone to palm 
readers or whatever. 

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You are actually hungry for a 
connection with your creator, 

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and the enemy has said, oh, no, 
no, your creator's too busy, or 

452
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,960
he's too angry or he's too 
distant, or he's not involved 

453
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,960
anymore or doesn't want to be 
involved with you, even if he is

454
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,240
involved with other people. 
And all of those things are 

455
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,200
lies. 
I have to believe that you're 

456
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,720
hearing this because you know 
that you were created for 

457
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,960
something more. 
And so many people do not 

458
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:09,040
understand that it as as simple 
as renouncing, confessing. 

459
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:14,240
And I really am a big proponent 
going to a local church and 

460
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:19,560
getting water baptized. 
But the moment you turn away 

461
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,200
from darkness, there is no force
in hell. 

462
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,320
No matter how much they say they
can stop you, they cannot stop 

463
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,080
you. 
I would also encourage you 

464
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,680
because anybody that's been 
involved in the supernatural, in

465
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,400
the realm of witchcraft or the 
occult, you've had people in 

466
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,480
your world that have told you 
that there is something more. 

467
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:45,280
And I understand the longing. 
We all love magic because we 

468
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,920
were created for the 
supernatural. 

469
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,600
But I love how CS Lewis talks 
about the White Witch had a 

470
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,800
level of magic, but there was a 
deeper magic. 

471
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:02,760
You were made for God's deeper 
Holy Spirit connection that is 

472
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,240
pure light. 
Pure truth has nothing to do 

473
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,120
with your abilities or 
inabilities and everything to do

474
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,280
with Jesus's sacrifice and life 
for you. 

475
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,000
So if you are finding yourself 
trapped, if you have a friend 

476
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:24,360
you can reach out to, great. 
If not, all you have to do is 

477
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,760
pray. 
You can simply pray. 

478
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:33,720
Jesus, I am so sorry for turning
to the ways of darkness. 

479
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,800
Jesus, forgive me for partnering
with evil. 

480
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,400
I didn't even know it was evil. 
Forgive me for exalting self 

481
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,800
above God, forgive me of my 
sins. 

482
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,680
Jesus, I turn from darkness and 
I embrace you as the Lord of my 

483
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,080
life. 
I embrace your ways and I turn 

484
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,160
away from my ways. 
I thank you that I'm being born 

485
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,080
again out of a Kingdom of 
darkness into a Kingdom of 

486
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,960
light. 
And then I'm going to challenge 

487
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,000
you to get in a local church and
maybe some of these things 

488
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,360
maybe. 
You have a similar. 

489
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:16,000
Past that I did, I actually had 
to go through and systematically

490
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:21,480
break some of the alignments 
that I had made with darkness. 

491
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,040
And we believe in the power of 
those confessions and 

492
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,280
renouncing. 
Yeah. 

493
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,640
We believe that you can be the 
beginning of 1000 generations. 

494
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,240
I don't care how many 
generations have walked in 

495
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,800
darkness. 
We believe that you can be the 

496
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,640
beginning of 1000 generations 
who love God and keep his 

497
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,720
commandments. 
You know, I love the story of 

498
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,640
King Josiah. 
King Josiah, he was a very young

499
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,800
boy when he became king. 
They, they took him, they made 

500
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,480
him king. 
But the temple was in ruins. 

501
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,400
The, the, the word of God had 
been displaced. 

502
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:59,240
The ordinances of God had been 
neglected for so long. 

503
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,840
And what happened was when he 
found, Oh my gosh, we have not 

504
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,800
done anything that God wants us 
to do. 

505
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,080
He said, all right, from this 
moment forward, God, will you 

506
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,080
forgive us from all the things 
we didn't know how to do. 

507
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,120
And then you know what he did? 
King Josiah, He went through the

508
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,400
entire temple. 
He cleared it out. 

509
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:26,800
And then he pulled down all of 
the high things and desecrated 

510
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,360
all of the altars that were from
the, you know, the idolatries 

511
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,840
that Israel's had had partnered 
with. 

512
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:40,160
And I love that he was zealous 
for God and he had this 

513
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:45,360
revelation that it wasn't just 
about his choice, but it was 

514
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,120
about the choice he was making 
for future generations. 

515
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,000
And so I would really challenge 
you to to read about Josiah 

516
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,640
because I love Josiah because 
Josiah, this is what this is. 

517
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,080
When you read The Kings, there's
such richness, if you'll 

518
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:03,040
actually just deep dive into it,
it said that Josiah had a heart 

519
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,800
like his father David, but David
was not the father of Josiah. 

520
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,960
Josiah actually had a very 
wicked and corrupt father. 

521
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:17,080
But anytime you turn to the 
heart of God, he gives you a 

522
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,040
divine legacy. 
And so I love that it said he 

523
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,240
was, he was like his father 
David. 

524
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,400
Even though David was not his 
natural father, David became his

525
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,920
spiritual father. 
And so for me, I'm always like, 

526
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,480
hey, we got some crazy in my 
background, but I am believing 

527
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,200
that I now have a new legacy, 
that I have a legacy of 

528
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,760
godliness now, not the legacy of
the ungodly. 

529
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,000
So today I'm actually joined by 
my daughter-in-law, Christian, 

530
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,120
and we are going to. 
Discuss actually how. 

531
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,600
Some millennials and Gen. 
Z's and Gen. 

532
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,920
Alpha, how they're interacting 
with some of these spiritual 

533
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,960
questions and demonic realm. 
Thank you Christian for joining 

534
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,680
me. 
I'm happy to represent. 

535
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,040
I think you're hitting the nails
spot on with this is actually a 

536
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,240
spiritual world and what we 
battle is spiritual. 

537
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,600
I've seen millennials really not
fully understand the power 

538
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,040
that's for them. 
We think the powers in the tarot

539
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,080
cards and like very new age 
things. 

540
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,320
We have people that are like, my
crystal is going to give me all 

541
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,639
the answers. 
I'm going to manifest all the 

542
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,480
things I need in life. 
Why do you think, How have we 

543
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:28,679
gotten that far? 
You know, I do think that every 

544
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:30,679
generation kind of has this 
wrestling. 

545
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,000
They have a wrestling like, oh, 
well, I'm not my parents. 

546
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,679
I'm not my parents. 
Like I, I remember John and I 

547
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:40,080
used to say we're not religious.
We have a relationship with 

548
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,920
Jesus Christ. 
And now your generation is like,

549
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,920
we're not religious, we're 
spiritual. 

550
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:50,360
And so I do think there's that 
wrestling, but I also am seeing 

551
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:55,159
way more of the new age come in 
with this spirit because it's 

552
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:58,080
like anything spiritual is 
spiritual and everything 

553
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,440
spiritual is good, which isn't 
necessary. 

554
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,440
It's not necessarily true. 
And you know, I, I feel kind of 

555
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,360
ignorant. 
I didn't even understand how 

556
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,920
what a big deal manifesting was.
What's serious. 

557
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,800
It's it's like. 
Huge. 

558
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,520
And it's like OK, now manifest. 
Like what? 

559
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,200
Like I remember we referred to 
manifesting like a demon 

560
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,680
manifested. 
Or we're like, what just 

561
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,560
happened here? 
And so everything has shifted. 

562
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,640
And I do think that it's 
interesting for me. 

563
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:35,960
I feel like the millennials are 
hungry, spiritual, but also I 

564
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:41,000
feel like they're dull. 
Like they're so dulled by the 

565
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:46,440
constant influx of everything 
that they've lost some 

566
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,200
sensitivity. 
Does does that make sense? 

567
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,840
Like, you know, John are 
watching a show recently and we 

568
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,120
thought, wow, it was an older 
show. 

569
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,240
We thought we have all lost our 
vocabulary. 

570
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,760
Like we have all dumbed 
everything down. 

571
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:06,080
And I think sometimes there's 
this dumbing down that dulls the

572
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,160
sensitivity and the discernment 
of a generation. 

573
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,400
And that is a big concern for me
with with millennials. 

574
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,160
And I do think sometimes like 
John, my first generation, we 

575
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,160
are so over say we made 
everything wrong because we are 

576
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,560
just afraid like that could be 
wrong, that could be evil. 

577
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:22,800
We're first generation 
Christians. 

578
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,360
That might be an evil thing. 
Don't let our kids do that. 

579
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:26,720
The. 
Pokémon Cards. 

580
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:29,000
The Pokémon cards, we've 
apologized for that so many 

581
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,160
times. 
Somebody told John that if you 

582
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,120
burn a Pokémon card, a demon 
will scream and I was gone 

583
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,600
somewhere and I gathered our 
boys in the garage and burnt the

584
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,280
Pokémon cards and none of them 
screamed. 

585
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,240
Well I think the boys are 
screaming now because they were 

586
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:46,280
actually worth money. 
So I've heard that it's just 

587
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,800
they got it mixed up. 
I want to ask you though, as a 

588
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,960
mom, what do you think is at 
risk for this generation when 

589
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,800
they aren't dull to the 
spiritual? 

590
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,000
Yeah, I think. 
That my concern is that they're,

591
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:07,640
they're so familiar with sound 
bites, but they're not familiar 

592
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,800
with sound doctrine. 
And so people have all these 

593
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,680
catch phrases, but they don't 
have the word of God that 

594
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,320
rightly divides. 
So we live in a time period 

595
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,400
where I think your generation 
sometimes has a sense that 

596
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,840
something doesn't feel right, 
but it sounds OK. 

597
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,640
So then they, they push beyond 
it. 

598
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,120
Like I'm even watching as I, I 
watch social media, even the 

599
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,000
arguments that people are 
making, they don't make sense. 

600
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,440
I'm like you're that that's not 
making sense. 

601
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,440
You're repeating what somebody 
else has thought out for you. 

602
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,000
And I think Christianity can 
actually make that same mistake.

603
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,280
You're repeating what you heard 
your pastor say instead of. 

604
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,560
Getting in the. 
Word of God for yourself and or 

605
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,720
your your favorite influencer or
your favorite content creator. 

606
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:55,200
I don't there's all these. 
Different words for it now. 

607
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,400
But but you're not actually 
getting into the Word of God, 

608
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,520
reading it and allowing the Holy
Spirit to minister to you where 

609
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,160
the Word of God becomes alive, I
think. 

610
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,760
I think that is a big concern 
for me, that there is a lack of 

611
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:14,960
discernment because this 
generation is is spiritual and 

612
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,240
they're not rightly. 
Dividing. 

613
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,400
Right. 
It's like Gen. 

614
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,400
Z millennials. 
We're not faithless, but we're 

615
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,480
putting our faith and the wrong 
things. 

616
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,160
And I really, this was a wake up
for me One time is you and John 

617
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,880
were talking about how in the 
beginning of your ministry you 

618
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,600
would travel and you just see 
people set free and you see 

619
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,080
people manifest demons. 
You'd see all this spiritual 

620
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,640
power. 
But the lest spiritually awake 

621
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,560
we've become. 
I think we've seen that less and

622
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,280
less. 
So how do we get back to seeing 

623
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,520
revival hit and seeing people 
set free? 

624
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,560
I mean, I'm reading the Bible 
and the gospels and it's like 

625
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,440
they're healed, they're healed, 
they're set free. 

626
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,320
A demon came out, like 7 came 
out of Mary Magdalene. 

627
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,120
How do we get back to seeing 
that? 

628
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,720
Because I know some people that 
do say when they do come to 

629
00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:01,320
faith, they're like, I didn't 
even know God could heal me. 

630
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,120
All this I know. 
Well, I again, I think that if 

631
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,920
we, we actually acknowledge 
that, hey, I've gotten 

632
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,800
complacent. 
You know we live in the United 

633
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,400
States of America, where? 
You don't need a plan BI mean 

634
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,800
you don't need you know you've 
got you don't need God because 

635
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,440
you could just do it yourself. 
And when we go to other nations,

636
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,000
you still see the power of God 
way more evident because they 

637
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,520
don't have a Plan B. 
They are just like if, if God 

638
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,600
doesn't come through for them, 
there's nothing. 

639
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,960
And so when we live in a country
that has this kind of 

640
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,720
overwhelming constant 
information and yet no 

641
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:44,720
transformation, constant 
connections and yet no lasting 

642
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:48,800
commitments, you have to fast. 
I remember, you know, there was 

643
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,720
again, I've been around for a 
while, there was this passing, 

644
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:54,640
Hopefully it was passing. 
It may still be happening 

645
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,200
somewhere trend that you would 
you would have to go to a 

646
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,680
service and people need to 
laugh. 

647
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:01,560
I'm not talking about someone 
who's funny. 

648
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,800
I'm just thinking like in the 
middle of a service, people 

649
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,560
would just start laughing. 
And I remember being so tired. 

650
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,240
I'm a young mother and I 
thought, OK, maybe that's what I

651
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:13,000
need to do. 
Maybe for me to get free I need 

652
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,760
to go to a meeting? 
Do a laugh, laugh, have my skirt

653
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,400
over my head. 
I don't know what I need to do, 

654
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,120
but I'm going to do whatever I 
can to get free. 

655
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,360
And I go to this meeting and 
nothing happens. 

656
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,920
And the next morning I'm so mad 
at God. 

657
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,920
I'm like, I went to this meeting
and I went expecting for you to 

658
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,200
touch me. 
And I remember he said to me, 

659
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:39,600
the Holy Spirit said, manna and 
manifestations will always leave

660
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,640
you hungry for something more. 
He said Lisa if. 

661
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,960
You want to have a hunger, a 
spiritual hunger in a land of 

662
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,920
abundance. 
You need to. 

663
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,080
Fast. 
And I think there's so many 

664
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:58,280
people unwilling to fast, but 
fasting does give you authority 

665
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,600
in the Spirit, not so much 
because it changes God, but it 

666
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,760
changes you. 
And I remember I was nursing a 

667
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,920
baby during that time. 
I thought if I fast, I'll lose 

668
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,000
all my breast milk. 
And he was like, you need to 

669
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,880
fast the things that distract 
you. 

670
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,480
You need to fast the things that
hold you back from me. 

671
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,040
And so I put aside a certain 
phone calls, you know, I, we 

672
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,320
didn't have, we didn't have cell
phones back then, But I put 

673
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,880
aside magazines. 
I put aside things that were 

674
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,720
distractions, things that I went
to to ease my discomfort. 

675
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,400
And I leaned into the discomfort
and I read the word of God and I

676
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:41,480
began to contend with God and 
say, I want to give you more of 

677
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,880
me. 
If we want more authority in the

678
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:49,360
Spirit, we need to create more 
capacity for God's Spirit to 

679
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,280
inhabit our lives, which means 
we have to deal with the things 

680
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,480
that we're now filling ourselves
with because we fill ourselves 

681
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,840
with so much that God gets the 
leftovers. 

682
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,880
And I think too many people 
don't realize how much they are 

683
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:08,240
satiating their their discomfort
with entertainment or talking to

684
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:10,080
other people. 
And again, I'm not talking about

685
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,920
don't talk to people. 
I'm just saying instead of 

686
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,440
praying or reading your Bible, 
you pick up your phone and talk 

687
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,840
to somebody. 
And there is a place for that. 

688
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,320
But I think we're afraid of 
prayer and fasting. 

689
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,680
And if we want to be a 
generation, I see God constantly

690
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:30,400
resetting people. 
When the people come together 

691
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,200
and they pray and they fast and 
they don't attack the 

692
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,720
government, they actually own 
their own sins. 

693
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,600
There's something about when we 
humble ourselves before God. 

694
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,360
Seek. 
His face pray and turn from our 

695
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,560
own wicked ways. 
And seems like the church always

696
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,480
gets caught up in trying to turn
the world from its wicked ways 

697
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,320
instead of turning from their 
own wicked ways. 

698
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,800
And I'm like, right now God is 
shaking the church. 

699
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,720
And I do think millennials and 
Gen. 

700
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:02,560
Z's like, what the heck, What 
are you guys doing? 

701
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,720
I remember that's how we felt. 
John and I would look at our 

702
00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:07,240
leaders and say, what have you 
done? 

703
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:08,880
We're going to. 
We don't want to be. 

704
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,400
Associated with these. 
Leaders so we're going to say 

705
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,120
we're just relationship driven, 
not religious. 

706
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,680
And I think that's why they're 
like, we're not, you know, 

707
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,040
we're, we're just spiritual 
because they don't want to judge

708
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,120
certain people and they also 
don't want to be associated with

709
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,000
certain people. 
What you're saying is hitting 

710
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:29,280
and making so much sense too, 
because I think about how much 

711
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,200
we're not actually hungering for
God, at least as the people in 

712
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,360
generation, we're just like, I 
just want to be full. 

713
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,520
So it's like as soon as that 
tank tips in, instead of seeing 

714
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,960
what you're saying of God saying
this is an invitation to draw 

715
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,720
closer, it's like, but I don't 
want to feel this discomfort. 

716
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,760
So put something on it. 
Put something on it. 

717
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,400
You mentioned earlier depression
and mental health. 

718
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,560
I'm curious how much of that is 
because we're hurting because 

719
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,640
we're actually over full. 
Like you can probably tell me 

720
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,040
better than I could guess at the
proverb of when it says a man 

721
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,840
that is over full even honey 
doesn't taste good anymore. 

722
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,760
To the full soul, loathe the 
honeycomb. 

723
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,960
Yeah, no, it's true. 
And I do feel like right now we 

724
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,120
are obsessed with our own 
selves. 

725
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:14,240
Like, we spend so much time 
rehearsing our pain, looking at 

726
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:18,240
our past, studying, you know, 
the path that got us to this 

727
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:20,480
place. 
Well, when you look back, you go

728
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:26,040
back and when you study where 
you've been, you only know what 

729
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,920
you know when you got to the 
place you are right now. 

730
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,800
So it's, it's not going to 
really move you forward. 

731
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:35,280
And, and I, I do feel that God 
is so clear where he says my 

732
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,720
ways are not your ways and my 
thoughts are not your thoughts. 

733
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,360
And right now we just have 
thoughts about ourselves. 

734
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,560
And God says, as high as the 
heavens are above the earth, so 

735
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,040
are my ways and my thoughts 
above yours. 

736
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,360
He says, so think my thoughts. 
And I was like, OK, So what are 

737
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,040
your thoughts? 
He said my word is my thoughts 

738
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,880
and I can either meditate on 
what how I feel I've been 

739
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,520
mistreated or misjudged or past 
trauma. 

740
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,600
And I'm not I'm not belittle 
like those things, but I'm 

741
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,720
afraid that too many people are 
magnifying those things. 

742
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:11,600
They're focused on how their 
husband disappoints them, how 

743
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,560
their children aren't doing 
this, how how they went through 

744
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,040
trauma and how trauma marked 
them Well. 

745
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,160
We cannot control what was done 
to us, but we actually can 

746
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,520
control how we choose to respond
to those things. 

747
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:27,600
And I do not want to raise 
another generation that is so 

748
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,160
self focused that they spend all
their life trying to figure out 

749
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,360
why they're messed up. 
And they're still messed up once

750
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,360
they know why, because knowing 
why doesn't. 

751
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,520
Set you free. 
Knowing Jesus, knowing the 

752
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,440
truth, is what sets you free. 
And I'm not saying that we don't

753
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,600
have tools, because I think 
tools are good, but we need to 

754
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,280
have an encounter with truth and
then tools to break the pattern,

755
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,560
right? 
Well, I know you're saying all 

756
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,320
this speaking to millennials 
because you do believe that 

757
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:54,440
there. 
Is. 

758
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,320
You do believe that there is a 
spiritual power within them. 

759
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,800
And I want to, and I want to 
highlight that note because you 

760
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,480
always tell your voice and they 
tell me because they believe it 

761
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,440
so truly that you said that this
generation is made for. 

762
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,360
Well, you say it. 
Tell them. 

763
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,520
Tell them what you. 
Said. 

764
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,560
You know it all happened. 
Alec could come home from a 

765
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,480
youth group and I always wanted 
to have deep, meaningful 

766
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,120
conversations with my boys after
school and, and they were like, 

767
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,920
no, no, I mean, they already 
were like, no, we they. 

768
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,920
Probably were like I have to 
eat, I'm starving. 

769
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,280
Yeah, we have to eat. 
And also just days can be 

770
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,360
overwhelming and it takes some 
time to process what you've gone

771
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,040
through. 
And then at dinner I was like, 

772
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,240
let's talk about our highs and 
lows. 

773
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:39,440
They're like, we're not doing 
this for you. 

774
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,040
But at night time when I wanted 
to go to bed, when I had 

775
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,400
nothing, they're like now, now 
is the moment for us to have a 

776
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,920
deep and meaningful conversation
about the purposes of life. 

777
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,360
And I remember there had been a 
Blizzard and I was concerned. 

778
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,280
I stayed up for Alec to come 
back from youth and the people 

779
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,120
dropped him off and he had this 
thing where he'd written out his

780
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,920
name Alec. 
And that had like something by 

781
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,320
the A, something by the L, had 
the eagle by the E. 

782
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,160
That's all I remember. 
And then something by the C And 

783
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,840
he's like, this is me. 
And I'm like, that's awesome. 

784
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,400
And he's then a sudden, he just 
like rolled it back up and he 

785
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,640
said, mom, what do you think I'm
called to do? 

786
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,360
And I thought you're called to 
go to bed. 

787
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:18,680
That is what you're called to 
do. 

788
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,280
You're called to go to bed right
now. 

789
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,560
That's what the Holy Spirit is 
saying. 

790
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:28,680
But I, I had such a sense that 
God said, don't paint a world 

791
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,240
too small for him to move in. 
And I said, you know what I 

792
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:36,000
like? 
I believe that you're called to 

793
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,480
see up close what other 
generations have only seen in a 

794
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,440
distance. 
I believe you're going to speak 

795
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,560
out loud what your father and I 
have only dared to whisper. 

796
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,400
I believe you're going to lay 
hold of with your hands what we 

797
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:54,160
have only touched in prayer. 
So I believe that your 

798
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,680
generation that was created for 
signs and wonders and miracles 

799
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,120
and not for death and 
destruction. 

800
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,720
And it was like while I was 
talking to Alec, it was like 

801
00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:08,400
those things entered him, those 
promises of God that hope sent. 

802
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:14,000
And and when I watch that happen
with my son, I realized as an 

803
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:18,560
older woman that that was my 
mandate to speak over a 

804
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,920
generation of millennials and 
Gen. 

805
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,440
Z's and Gen. 
Alpha that everybody is saying 

806
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,760
disparaging things and not God's
mandate. 

807
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,880
And so, you know, we can't do 
those things in our own 

808
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,520
strength. 
So if we paint a world bigger, 

809
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,520
then our children can navigate 
in their own strength, they'll 

810
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:43,080
make that divine connection with
God and, and you know, surrender

811
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:48,960
their lives to Jesus and walk 
into the wonder of everything 

812
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:53,280
that his death provided for us 
to walk in, whether it's signs, 

813
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,560
wonders, miracles and salvation.
And and I feel like we have 

814
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,640
limited the power of the gospel 
to what we have seen and known. 

815
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,440
And God is like until you 
prophecy the unseen and the 

816
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:07,960
unknown, you're not going to see
more. 

817
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,360
Can you paint a picture for the 
woman listening for me? 

818
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:15,320
Speak to me. 
What am I called? 

819
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:16,760
It's C, It's all printer. 
Yeah. 

820
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,440
Can you paint a picture for the 
woman listening to this that 

821
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,760
says I'm in? 
I want to be more spiritual. 

822
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,320
I want to intercede for my kids.
I want to speak highly of my 

823
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:25,480
husband. 
Yeah. 

824
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,120
Can you encourage her right now?
Yes, absolutely. 

825
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,640
Well, first and foremost. 
I don't want you to think this 

826
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,400
is works. 
Because I remember like, yes, 

827
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,880
I'm going to pray an hour a day.
Yes, I'm going to read my Bible 

828
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,840
an hour a day. 
And then I failed very early on.

829
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,600
And then I thought God was mad 
at me. 

830
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:44,280
God was like, you promised to 
get up and pray for an hour and 

831
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,320
you did not do it. 
Now half of China was going to 

832
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,320
help because of your 
irresponsibility. 

833
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,520
And, and I just remember 
spending so much of my prayer 

834
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,200
time apologizing to God for the 
prayer times I didn't have in my

835
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,200
past. 
First of all, I want you to know

836
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,000
that you have not heard this by 
accident and God wants to speak 

837
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,440
to you more than you want to 
hear from Him. 

838
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:09,160
So I'm just going to ask you to 
ask the Holy Spirit to invade 

839
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,680
your life, to wake you up in the
night that when you read the 

840
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:17,480
Word of God, that you would see 
things that it wouldn't be dry, 

841
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,120
just rote religion, but the Word
of God would come alive. 

842
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,560
And it wouldn't just be alive. 
It would begin to resonate and 

843
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,240
speak. 
And when you find yourself in 

844
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:31,680
situations, the Word of God 
would speak to you in those 

845
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,440
situations. 
I just want you to know you were

846
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,160
made for this time. 
You are made for this time that 

847
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:44,600
is dark because in dark times 
light gets punctuated. 

848
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:49,040
I believe that God has His hand 
on your life and all you have to

849
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,000
do is do what Abraham did. 
God, I give you permission to 

850
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:57,320
make something and someone out 
of nothing and no one. 

851
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,840
He is the one when we surrender 
our all, He takes it all. 

852
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:06,880
So I'm so excited because we are
watching and waiting for you to 

853
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,640
actually make that exchange with
God and walk according to the 

854
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,920
Holy Spirit and to not wrestle 
with your husband, wrestle with 

855
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,520
your children, wrestle with 
people on social media, but 

856
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:22,000
wrestle in the Spirit speaking 
the Word of God. 

857
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,320
I hope that the Word of God 
becomes a language you are more 

858
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,080
fluent in than even English.
