1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,760 I don't like women. Well listen, we need to stop 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:08,080 saying that because God not only loves women, He likes them. 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:13,320 Female relationships are the most crazy, chaotic and 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,560 challenging, but when they are healthy, they are the most 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:22,040 supportive and fulfilling. I was looking at myself in the 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,880 mirror and thinking you're not enough and I was projecting that 7 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,160 onto other women. I just said I don't like women. 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,240 But really what I was saying is I don't feel wanted, I don't 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,759 feel valued, I don't feel invited by other women because 10 00:00:32,759 --> 00:00:34,840 of these lies I believed about myself. 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,520 What is the number one lie? I believe in the garden when 12 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,760 Satan looked at Eve and made her question. 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,560 In my life, I have found that female relationships are the 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,880 most crazy, chaotic and challenging, but when they are 15 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,200 healthy, they are the most supportive and fulfilling. 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,760 I believe today God wants to flip the script on that. 17 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,200 Maybe you're out there and you've said I don't like women. 18 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,000 Well, listen, you are not alone and so many women. 19 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,600 I've said that to me. But the truth is we need to stop 20 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,640 saying that because God, not Natalie, loves women. 21 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,200 As my friend Natalie said, he likes them. 22 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,720 So you're going to love today's interview. 23 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,440 We're going to be talking about sacred sisterhood. 24 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,200 And I have one of my favorite people in the entire world 25 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,800 joining me today. Her name is Natalie Runyon, and 26 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,600 she wrote a book which I absolutely love called I Don't 27 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,600 Even Like Women. Oh my gosh, Natalie. 28 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,640 For so many years, I bonded with my audience by saying, I don't 29 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,200 how many of you who don't like women. 30 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,200 The hand would all go up and I'd be like, I don't like them 31 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,120 either. But here's the truth. 32 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,720 These are lies. These are lies that need to be 33 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:54,000 exposed. And we're going to be talking 34 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,120 about some of those lies because they are getting in the way of 35 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,840 us having a sacred sisterhood and the fullness of life that 36 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,600 God actually means for us to have as women. 37 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,720 So, Natalie, tell me, why in the world would you tackle this 38 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,080 subject? Well, I remember you're not. 39 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,760 One of your and I's very first interactions was I had just 40 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,040 become women's pastor at this large church. 41 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,400 Under protest. Under protest, mind you, after I 42 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,360 had yelled, I don't even like women when they made me go into 43 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,160 this, this role. But I was desperate to find 44 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,520 someone to come in who I trusted to really kind of help me make 45 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,000 this transition. I called you, you came in. 46 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,400 It was the first time we'd met in person. 47 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,800 It wasn't COVID it was it was people were in masked. 48 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,840 Masked and we were already traumatized by all the things, 49 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,920 but we're walking down the hallway and you asked me, you 50 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:43,400 said, how did you end up taking this job? 51 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,120 Because you were worship. I was worship. 52 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,400 You're like, I don't know. And I said, I don't know, I 53 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,360 don't even like women. And you looked at me and you're 54 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,440 like, yes, I have been saying this for years. 55 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,400 And we bonded over this one phrase that I think, for me, 56 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,160 made me feel so less alone. So thank you for pioneering 57 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,040 this. Thank you for leading US women 58 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,080 all these years and still loving us even when you had a lot of 59 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,480 reasons not to. Well, and I want to say this for 60 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,600 everybody, there's like, why would I want to listen to two 61 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,640 women who don't like women? I am a woman. 62 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,200 Listen, we love women, We love women and the things we didn't 63 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,320 like about women were things that God never meant to be, like 64 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,360 key factors or markers for his daughters and and we are 65 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,840 believing for better things. Absolutely. 66 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,840 And what I learned in my 4 years in that role was that God didn't 67 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,080 invite me there for me to pastor the women. 68 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,600 He invited me there for his women to pastor me. 69 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,280 And so those four years were really humbling as I. 70 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,480 Explained that. You know, I realized that I 71 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,800 didn't like myself. I was looking at myself in the 72 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,280 mirror and thinking, you're not enough. 73 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,240 All these scripts, these lies that I had been believing about 74 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,760 myself over the years, and I was projecting that onto other women 75 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,920 who I felt rejected by or who I didn't feel invited by. 76 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,320 And as a result, I just said I don't like women. 77 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,400 But really what I was saying is I don't feel wanted, I don't 78 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,920 feel valued, I don't feel invited by other women because 79 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,040 of these lies I believed about myself. 80 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,760 And those women really helped flip that script for me. 81 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,720 Wow. What is the number one lie? 82 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,760 Is it the one we've already said, or is there another one 83 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,600 that you find to be that stumbling block or that tripping 84 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,200 point for women? I think this whole idea of that 85 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,279 women are just so competitive really encompasses all of the 86 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:22,800 things that we're going to talk about today. 87 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,360 Women are so jealous. Women are so insecure. 88 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,200 Are these truths or lies? Or these are fallen traits women 89 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:31,480 go into. They're all of them. 90 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,880 I believe in the Garden, when Satan looked at Eve and made her 91 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,520 question if she actually heard from God, that's where it all 92 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,760 started. That everything that we know 93 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,160 that is to be true of us, that God says we are. 94 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,560 Satan is right there through a lie to try to deceive us. 95 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,800 Because we know Satan doesn't just lie, he deceives. 96 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,440 He twists truth always. So he's twisting the words of 97 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,320 the Bible, twisting the words of the Father to make us doubt. 98 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,920 Do we actually hear from God? Are we worthy? 99 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:58,840 Are we wanted? Are we loved? 100 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:00,880 And then that translates into our relationships. 101 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,960 So now you've hit some things that are they're being contested 102 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:10,200 right now in the body of Christ so women can hear from God. 103 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,880 How did they hear from God? Only through the Bible. 104 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,520 I believe that through the power of the Holy Spirit that we are 105 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,160 able to discern the voice of the Father in alignment with the 106 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,440 Word of God. And so in order to hear the Word 107 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,000 of God and know the voice of God, we have to know the Word of 108 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,480 God. So as we are in the Word, then 109 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,520 we're able to debunk these lies that Satan speaks over us 110 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,920 through other people and through our own thoughts. 111 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:35,760 Yeah. You know, I feel like there's so 112 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,480 many women out there that they don't read the word. 113 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,960 They they know fragments of the word and then they know the 114 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:48,520 religious attacks against women and cultural attacks against 115 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,920 women. Now you actually travel and 116 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,280 minister. Do you minister only to women? 117 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,720 Oh no, I I minister on Sunday mornings to both men and women. 118 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,360 And do you find pushback on that? 119 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,960 You know, I have been very blessed, OK, to not have to deal 120 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,240 with some of the things that I know that those who've gone 121 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,160 before me like yourself and. They're looking at me like 122 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,320 you've had to do. I I also just want to honor you 123 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,000 guys because you have paved ways. 124 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,680 Like I literally get to run because you walked. 125 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,680 I get to stand on the shoulders of those of you who did have men 126 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,040 pick up their chairs and walk out. 127 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,960 I have not had that in my experience, but I truly believe 128 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,240 it's because I'm walking on ground that has already been 129 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:28,640 tilled up through your generation. 130 00:06:28,840 --> 00:06:33,200 Well, and, and I love that, but of course the goal, as you know, 131 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,360 for women isn't just to get a place in the pulpit. 132 00:06:36,840 --> 00:06:39,720 And and if that's the goal, then we've already lost. 133 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,920 No, we're, we're forgetting that influence is so multifaceted. 134 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,800 It's from the way we parent to the way that we are, you know, 135 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,600 in relationship with our spouses, the way that we serve 136 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,520 in our jobs and the way that we are sacred sisters or safe 137 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,480 sisters to our friends. Like our influence reaches so 138 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,240 beyond just platforms and microphones. 139 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,320 And I think we got so fixated on that. 140 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,040 I have to have title, pastor. I have to have title whatever 141 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,960 that we forgot that actually it's just to show up as a 142 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,520 daughter and be obedient to be exactly who He created us to be. 143 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,240 Yeah, and even Jesus was kind of like, hey, it's the Gentiles 144 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:19,640 that fight about having titles. I mean, you and are both 145 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,920 Gentiles. But this this was not the best 146 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,760 of best dynamic for us to be a fighting about titles or looking 147 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:31,880 for a title or looking for affirmation from people when we 148 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,440 have a mandate from God. What are you seeing as you're 149 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,240 traveling and you're ministering out of this message and and 150 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,960 exposing these lies? What are you seeing happen? 151 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:43,840 Well. First of all, the global church 152 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,560 is beautiful and we can learn a lot as the American church from 153 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,480 the global church. One thing I have found very 154 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,680 interesting is when you go over to the UK, they do not let you 155 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:58,680 use the phrase pastor's wife, because when they are a pastor 156 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,080 and they are married to a pastor, they too are pastoring 157 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,000 the church. And to see the partnership 158 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,600 between men and women in the church in the UK with something 159 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,200 that I was not prepared for. To see this unique true 160 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,240 partnership between not just husbands and wives, but between 161 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,480 men and women and their respect that they carry for each other 162 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,480 as carriers of the gospel. So I am so encouraged. 163 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,520 And what I'm seeing in the global church, and then what I'm 164 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:28,200 seeing is I'm also seeing women really just surrender to the 165 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,920 call of God on their lives, whether they have the title 166 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,080 pastor or not. They're just stepping up and 167 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,159 they're serving, they're loving, and they're starting to be that 168 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:39,039 sacred space that we're wanting to see the church be, not just 169 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:40,840 for women, but for a hurting world. 170 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,080 Right, you know, and you must be in put different places than 171 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,880 I've been in the UK because I think I definitely had pastor 172 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:48,560 and pastor's wives when I was there. 173 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,000 But here, here's the thing I love that you're separating is 174 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,320 it's not about a title. It's it's at the end of the day, 175 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,520 we're supposed to be servants. And what are you seeing happen? 176 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,520 Because you and I both know well, maybe you weren't this 177 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:09,120 way, but God had a deal with my need to control. 178 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,920 He said you are wanting to control and it wasn't, I 179 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,480 wouldn't even say it was an evil motive that I wanted to control. 180 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,040 It was a fear motive. I thought if I am not in control 181 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,200 in my marriage, if I am not in control of like where's our 182 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,160 money coming from? What's our, what's our 183 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,200 employment situation? Do we have life insurance? 184 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,320 Do we have health insurance? If you are not in control, then 185 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:38,920 you become afraid. So you respond to that fear by 186 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:43,080 being controlling. And, and for me, it was so 187 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,560 crazy. I had anger was the, you know, 188 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:52,200 the outcome, but behind the anger was fear and unbelief. 189 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,760 Are you finding that to be kind of a similar pattern for women? 190 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,880 Yes, and I've acted out in this too, because I can remember 191 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,560 growing up where women were allowed to have the title pastor 192 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:05,600 and then growing up into ministry, into denominations 193 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,720 that didn't allow that and them calling me worship teacher or 194 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,040 worship leader or worship director, anything that he 195 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,600 wasn't pastor. And I remember thinking, but I'm 196 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,640 pastoring these people more than the actual pastor is pastoring 197 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,680 people. And that anger, which we know 198 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:23,720 anger is a secondary emotion, right to control, to 199 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,840 inferiority, whatever it is. And I would just like be raging 200 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,480 in my office, like why won't they just give me that title? 201 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,840 And I learned I was putting so much energy towards getting them 202 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,480 to change a title that God didn't care what that title was. 203 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,240 He was looking for my obedience. And the more I surrendered to 204 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,920 that, then I was able to really surrender to what he wanted. 205 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,560 Now when they called me into the office and said we want to move 206 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:50,360 you from worship, you know, to women's ministry, I threw a 207 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,640 massive temper tantrum. And God really did have to pry 208 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,360 that from my cold, dead hands and say you're not a one trick 209 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,240 pony. My daughters are not one trick 210 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,600 ponies. And I have many tools in your 211 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,720 tool belt that I want you to use to help build the Kingdom and 212 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,880 defeat the enemy. And that was for me a massive 213 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,560 issue with control. I wanted title worship pastor. 214 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:10,240 He wanted me to be a women's pastor. 215 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,360 And that was four years of him having to wrestle that from my 216 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,360 hands. I remember when God and my 217 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,560 husband tricked me into doing a women's meeting and it was a 218 00:11:19,560 --> 00:11:22,920 Pentecostal holiness church. I'm still like, look at me like, 219 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,640 does this got me double Pierce here? 220 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,680 No, no, I mean, I just did not fit. 221 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,520 And I remember just crying out and saying I don't like women. 222 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,200 I don't like women. I'm not really a woman. 223 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,840 I have a man's brain, a woman's body. 224 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,520 I I don't connect with women. And I threw this whole fit, and 225 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,000 the only response I got from my Heavenly Father was I like 226 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,320 women. And I was like, OK, that makes 227 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:47,520 sense. You did create. 228 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,200 You did create them. OK, You, you made them. 229 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,600 And he said to me, begin to tell my daughters that their answers, 230 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,160 not problems. He said they're hearing 231 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,000 constantly in the church that their problems to be controlled 232 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,880 rather than answers to be embraced. 233 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,720 And when you think you're a problem, you act like a problem. 234 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,360 And I do feel like this is what your book is addressing, the 235 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:13,120 lies that women have listened to, whether it's the feminist 236 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,720 telling them you need to take power from the man, it's our 237 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:21,200 turn now, You need to do whatever that is or whether it's 238 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,840 insecurity and fear. And you know, I know that you 239 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:31,680 address very specifically some of these lies And, and why, why, 240 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:35,680 why, why is this so important right now? 241 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,000 Well, the church is having this kind of ongoing conversation 242 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,320 between what's happening in our society and then what's also 243 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,360 happening in the church. So women are getting inundated 244 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,280 on both sides. They're hearing, what does the 245 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,160 world say about me? And then what does my pastor say 246 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,040 about me? What do you, some of the men 247 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,000 that I work beside, say about me? 248 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,600 And so we're constantly trying to find that rhythm within the 249 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,720 church culture as well as in the world. 250 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,280 And so when I post about these things, these lies, like women 251 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,160 are so competitive, women are so judgmental, women are so caddy 252 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,800 or emotional, What really comes out are women trying to defend 253 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,920 positions that they were ever meant to defend. 254 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,720 Like God being our defender, we should be able to rest in the 255 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,400 truth that no, I'm a daughter, I have a place at the table. 256 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,440 But because we're hearing all of these lies coming from not just 257 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,840 Hollywood, but also Christian culture, women are getting a 258 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,520 double dose of this whole Did God really say this about you? 259 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,480 Not just coming from the world, but from the church? 260 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,400 And that's why I want to encourage women to stay in their 261 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,800 positions in the church, to serve, and to watch God move 262 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,080 through our obedience. Not our titles, not what seat at 263 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,280 the table we have, but just by showing up and being the woman 264 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,360 God's created us to be. That is absolutely beautiful. 265 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,160 And you know, one of the things I think that is so clear in your 266 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:54,840 heart is you're actually calling women to repent of agreement 267 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:59,080 with lies. And and the truth is, you know, 268 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,680 as so many people want to blame the men, we want to blame the 269 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:04,240 culture, we want to blame the church. 270 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,720 But the truth is that none of that happens unless we agree 271 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,800 with it or react to it. And so when we say, all right, 272 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:18,000 God, I've wanted to control or I have been competitive because 273 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:22,480 I've watched how men compete to drive each other higher and 274 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,760 women will compete to eliminate. And part of that is because they 275 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,840 feel like there's not a seat at the table for them. 276 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,160 And, and something I had to, I mean, I, I feel like all of us 277 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,400 as we're in the women's world have experienced that scarcity. 278 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:42,000 Like Oh no, like if if she has a space and I have less 279 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:47,960 opportunity, but you're actually counteracting that her having a 280 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,840 space means you have more opportunity. 281 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,120 Yes, it's a it's collaboration is what kills competition. 282 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,400 And so when I get a seat at a table, what I'm looking for is 283 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,960 how many more chairs can I pull up to make more room for my 284 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,120 sisters. I want to speak their names in 285 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,920 rooms that they don't even know that their names are being 286 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,040 spoken in because I'm thinking, how much stronger are we 287 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:10,960 together? It's also beautiful for our 288 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,360 brothers to see us working in harmony, for where there is 289 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,280 unity, it commands the Lord's blessing. 290 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,520 And so for our brothers to see us preferring one another to 291 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,360 say, Oh, yeah, I can actually do this, but that I have a friend 292 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,680 who's better at this than I am, can I introduce you to them? 293 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,240 They might be a better fit. And to start preferring sisters 294 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,920 over each other. The tables can be so long and 295 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,280 wide when we start pulling up chairs versus saying, oh, God 296 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,800 must have favorite daughters because there's only one seat at 297 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,400 that table when God doesn't have favorite kids. 298 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,080 And so I've learned in all of my saying I don't like women, that 299 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,120 I actually love women even more when there's more of us sitting 300 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:46,800 at the table. That's beautiful. 301 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,360 Yeah. And I feel like God will 302 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,000 actually give you the gift of making you go into this room of 303 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,240 women that you didn't want to be part of. 304 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,920 And then God's like, OK, and where did that come from? 305 00:15:58,680 --> 00:15:59,800 Where did that come from? Where? 306 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:01,640 Because I know you've grown up in the church. 307 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,520 I grew up as a heathen, but you grew up in the church. 308 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,000 So what? Where did that I don't like 309 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,240 women thing come from? It always felt so fake. 310 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,360 I always joke about how my first memories of women's ministry was 311 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,080 they would do foot washings and the women would leave their hose 312 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,200 off. I had that somebody here to me, 313 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,720 somebody did it to me. I was like, I'm not taking my 314 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,600 hose off it. Was a little weird and there 315 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,200 were tea parties and so many fake flowers and it felt like 316 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,680 also being a pastor's kid. So bad. 317 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,080 Like being a pastor's kid, these same women who were like putting 318 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,320 off these beautiful events were also gossiping about my mom and 319 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,760 talking about my dad and trying to parent me and, and making 320 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,560 judgment calls about me as a pastor's kid. 321 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,600 And so the one. You were a cheerleader. 322 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,280 Yes, I was like, that's. Like Satan, all of that. 323 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,040 You know, it was like all the ones that were like praying with 324 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,960 me at the altar were also the ones that were talking about me 325 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,360 behind my back. And why do you think that was? 326 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,400 You know, I could go on and on about all the things I think 327 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,880 about the lies that women are jealous, but at the end of the 328 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,400 day, I just believe we are fallen people carrying a perfect 329 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,000 gospel. And just like Paul told us in 330 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,599 Corinthians, look, I've been betrayed by my enemies and 331 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:10,720 betrayed by those I thought were my brothers. 332 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,440 This is just part of the Christian walk. 333 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,839 And I have to decide, am I going to let that keep me from Jesus 334 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:18,400 or am I going to to be the change? 335 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:19,920 Am I going to be part of the solution? 336 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,520 In this book, I pray is the beginning of a conversation that 337 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,280 our daughters aren't going to have to live through what we 338 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,320 walked out, what you walked out. That every generation is being 339 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,080 the change that God has called us to be for true, safe, sacred 340 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,000 sanctuary of sisterhood that we're called to be so that we 341 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,200 don't have to be those caddy women gossiping in the bathroom 342 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,400 that we're prophesying, not gossiping. 343 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,080 Yes, yes, to all of it. That would be so powerful. 344 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:51,320 You know, Psalm 6811 says the Lord announces victory and 345 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,000 throngs of women shout the happy news. 346 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,640 And then I love it says enemy kings and their armies flee as 347 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,200 the women, they they collect the plunder. 348 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,440 So, so one of the things I love about that is that hasn't 349 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,040 happened. And so that is the prophetic 350 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,240 Psalm. And it's interesting because if 351 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,200 you really think about it, it says the Lord announces victory 352 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,640 and it says enemy kings and their armies flee. 353 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:21,560 So this is talking about a city under siege, that there is a 354 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:27,000 siege and God is saying, I see what's going on, but I'm not 355 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,000 going to say what the enemy is saying. 356 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,440 I'm going to say there's victory. 357 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:35,400 And if we will begin to say what God is saying, then the enemy 358 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,400 kings and all of their armies that have been camped around us 359 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,040 with lies, with cultural strongholds, with religious 360 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,480 strongholds, we just fall in nature. 361 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,760 Like you said, sin, sin, sin is just so yucky. 362 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,760 It makes us say and do things or we choose to say and do things 363 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,480 that we just are so ungracious. So not she opens her mouth with 364 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,160 wisdom and kindness. You know, that that dynamic. 365 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,080 And I, I do believe that that is a prophetic Psalm. 366 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:10,560 And I do believe God is watching and waiting for us to be those 367 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,200 women. You know, Christian and I, we 368 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,600 went to the farmers market and we were talking about this 369 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,760 dynamic. And I told her there is a quote 370 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,560 that I read many years ago by Margaret Mead and she's an 371 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,960 anthropologist. And she said historically across 372 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:31,680 every single culture, that sister is the most competitive 373 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:36,160 relationship in the family. But when they grow up, but when 374 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,600 they grow up, they become the most powerful. 375 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:44,080 And I believe that your book is an invitation for the women to 376 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,600 grow up. It's time. 377 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,040 It's time for us to grow up so that we're not just competing, 378 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,280 but we're all winning. And our family, highly 379 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,160 competitive sports, pickleball, golf, whatever it is. 380 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,120 You know, when when somebody wins and somebody loses and John 381 00:20:01,120 --> 00:20:02,840 does not like to lose, I'm just going to say it. 382 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,520 We've had to teach them to say a win for. 383 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:10,120 Them is a win for me because I'm like John's like, no, it's not. 384 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,080 It's a loss for me. I'm like, it's a win. 385 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,200 If one of your sons win, it's a win. 386 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,640 And, and I think that that is something this sisterhood needs 387 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,480 to say. And don't you think it's 388 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,880 interesting that Satan, he knows the power that we as women 389 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,440 collectively have when we're unified, that we are an army, 390 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,320 not a sorority, That we actually. 391 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,520 Are you in a sorority? I was not. 392 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,680 I was. I was you. 393 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,760 I was. No, listen, I'm just going to 394 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:39,120 say it was quite possibly one of the most terrifying things is if 395 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:42,000 you exited a room and then remember, oh, I forgot my 396 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,160 toothbrush. Walk back in. 397 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,360 They were talking about you. It, it was terrifying. 398 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,760 You know, the church wasn't meant to be that sorority or the 399 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,880 Country Club. It's meant to be this army of 400 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,520 believers. And when women look at the 401 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,760 partnership between JL and Deborah right, you see what, 40 402 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,520 years of peace to Israel because two women were obedient to stay 403 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,000 in position and use what was in their hand. 404 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,000 And women from very different backgrounds. 405 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:02,880 Yes, and even Mary and Elizabeth. 406 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,160 I mean, Elizabeth's been praying for this baby. 407 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,800 Mary comes busting in like I'm going to have the Son of God. 408 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,080 And you know, what does Elizabeth do? 409 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,240 She starts prophesying. Not you stole my Thunder, but 410 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,360 man. I've been hiding. 411 00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:16,640 I've been keeping this right. Well, the thing. 412 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,480 I love about Elizabeth, which is such a beautiful thing. 413 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,240 The word of the Lord was that John the Baptist would be filled 414 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,800 from the Spirit, with the spirit from his mother's womb. 415 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,800 But she was like, after all this time, I'm sorry. 416 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,600 It's not just him. I'm going to be filled with the 417 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,920 Spirit too, and she the babe in her left. 418 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,600 And then she prophesied. And then you think about this 419 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,400 like, then he begins to announce the coming of Jesus. 420 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:41,760 Jesus goes. And then I think about that, 421 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,400 like, what I carry is not in competition with what you carry. 422 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,680 In fact, it may be a harbinger for what the next generation of 423 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,960 women are going to carry. And are we willing to not be in 424 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,600 that competition with each other to actually carry what God wants 425 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,600 us to carry and not despise it because it may not be as good in 426 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,320 our mind, but it's just as holy and just as important? 427 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,360 Yeah, I do think that you're speaking to a whole generation 428 00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:05,440 of women that we've got the Ruth and Naomi too. 429 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,280 Yes. And Naomi's that have trying to 430 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,240 change her name to Mara to bitterness that hey, I went out 431 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,800 full and I'm coming back empty. And now, you know, I've got this 432 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,520 Moabite daughter-in-law who she's the only one that stuck 433 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:24,840 with me, you know, and and but instead of being resentful, she 434 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,440 positions her with the kinsman Redeemer. 435 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,160 And it's so funny when, when you study this relationship between 436 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:37,200 these two women, it was like, she could have, like, she could 437 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,920 have just completely signed off, but she was like, no. 438 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:45,600 And then you see that when Ruth has a baby, she brings her to 439 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,680 Naomi, and Naomi nurses her. Now, I don't know if that really 440 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,000 means she breastfeeds her, but it means that all of a sudden 441 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,240 her life was full again. And if we can get the older 442 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,920 women and the younger women to connect in this house, you 443 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,400 describe a sacred sisterhood, which is there's absolutely no 444 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,720 room for competition. There's absolutely no room for 445 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,840 gossip. You know, I, I think gossip is 446 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:16,560 such a subtle thing for women. What, what, What are some of the 447 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,280 things, like addressing gossip that you've done with your 448 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,520 writing? You know, in the church it looks 449 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:27,440 like a prayer request, it looks like concern, it looks like 450 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,840 unity if it's not carefully managed and discerned. 451 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,040 And This is why I always say gossip is the egos demand to be 452 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,840 heard when it has nothing important to say. 453 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:38,720 Can you just say that one more time? 454 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,920 Gossip is the egos demand to be heard when we actually don't 455 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,720 have anything important to say. And I think for a lot of us, we 456 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,080 think if I can just insert myself into this conversation, 457 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:51,000 I'll feel wanted or if I can contribute, I'll feel validated. 458 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:53,720 Rather than talk about our own vulnerabilities or talk about 459 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,720 our own insecurities, we will target somebody else's failures 460 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,040 or flaws to feel like we're part of something. 461 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:03,800 And this is another indicator that we are feeling lost or not 462 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,680 validated or not wanted. And so gossip is this very low 463 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:11,000 hanging fruit in the church that looks like a common denominator, 464 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,240 but really it's sin and we really have to beat the buck 465 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,800 where it stops with as women to say, you know what, this is not 466 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:19,280 a good conversation. I think we need to change 467 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,440 topics. And I've yet to do that and 468 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,360 actually not be received by my friends. 469 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,000 Yeah, I remember. And you know, and I'm not saying 470 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,960 I'm totally innocent, but I do remember there was a time where 471 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,440 God was like, I'm trying to do some things in your life and 472 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,280 you're not gossiping, but you're listening to it. 473 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,280 Yes. And he said, people are bringing 474 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:42,120 you things and they say, I'll bring I'm bringing this to you. 475 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,440 I'm bringing this to you, Natalie, because you're safe. 476 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,400 And he said you may be safe for them, but it is not safe for 477 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,800 you. And he said, I said in my word, 478 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,480 don't speak it and don't listen to it. 479 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:59,160 And so he made me have to start calling people back and 480 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,320 apologizing. Not I would say, I am so sorry 481 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,640 that I was gossiping. And they say, oh, you didn't say 482 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:10,400 anything. I'd be like, I know, but I was 483 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,640 listening, I was listening, I had an opportunity yesterday. 484 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,400 I was on a, a beautiful young woman's podcast. 485 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,600 And, and afterwards we, we did the podcast for an hour and then 486 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,440 we talked on, on just on, you know, on Zoom for like another 487 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,120 hour. And I was sharing with her my 488 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:33,760 thoughts about somebody that had been less than kind towards that 489 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,120 person. And I said to her, you know, I 490 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:41,240 realized that I was judgmental towards that person. 491 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:46,920 I realized I was the Pharisee in that mix that I, you can go to 492 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,280 bed free and wake up a Pharisee and you think you're spiritual 493 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,440 both times. And I just shared it with her. 494 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:59,080 And as soon as I shared what I had seen in my own life, she 495 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,600 opened up and shared. And I do think that God is not 496 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:10,480 going to give us that one accord or the kind of anointing that 497 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,800 we're hoping to see in the body of Christ that sets captive 3 498 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,800 that, you know, draws the Spirit of God into our meetings because 499 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,720 you, you and I both know if the Spirit of God is not in the 500 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,160 meetings. No, it's not going to happen. 501 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,000 And and truly part of my journey of healing. 502 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,120 I mean, my other books have been about church hurt. 503 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,040 So much of my own healing has been repenting for the areas 504 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,000 where I contributed to some of that pain and to that hurt by my 505 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,920 own actions and looking in the mirror and saying, wow, yeah, 506 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,920 there's women who have talked about me, but I've talked about 507 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,000 women and and I've also been the one to have to call people and 508 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,880 just recently and say, I'm so sorry I partnered with that 509 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,400 narrative like that was not in my heart. 510 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,960 And, and to be free from that and to say, in order for me to 511 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,040 forgive, I have to be able to ask for forgiveness for me to be 512 00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:58,240 repentant. And look, the upper room revival 513 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,200 didn't fall in the upper room until they repented. 514 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,040 And that's what this what I believe is coming to the church 515 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,560 is not just this overall global repentance, but individual 516 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,880 repentance where we look in the mirror and say, let it start 517 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,000 with me. That's absolutely beautiful. 518 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,880 You know, it's always shocking and amazing to me that we, you 519 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,960 look at spiritual warfare and the first step of spiritual 520 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,640 warfare is repentance. It is humility. 521 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,600 We, we, we submit ourselves to God, we resist the devil and 522 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,400 then he flees. And so many people just go after 523 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,440 the devil and, and he's just laughing at us. 524 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,680 He's like, I, I know how you talk about other people. 525 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,840 I know what you've said about your husband. 526 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,280 I know what you've said about your church. 527 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,440 I know what you've said. And then I find that people that 528 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,560 gossip about their church, then they go to the church and they 529 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,880 don't receive anything. Yes. 530 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,880 And then they then they leave that church. 531 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,720 Right. And then they go to another 532 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,320 place and the first time somebody does something they 533 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,720 don't like. Right, there's a common 534 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,280 denominator there and yeah, I we also know that the devil is in 535 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,920 the comment section of our social media accounts too, and 536 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:02,080 we can see he. Said yours, he said mine. 537 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,480 Too. He's right there. 538 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,040 And what are people coming at? They're coming at these idols 539 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,520 that we have created that we have allowed to become comfort 540 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,680 blankets. They've become these like places 541 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,960 of security for us. And I think gossip is one of 542 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,000 those identity, our titles. And the minute we uncover those 543 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,480 idols, the very first ones to come at us are Christians who 544 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,480 are wanting to hold on. And so that's been the hardest 545 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,520 part about this message has really been watching women not 546 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,440 want to let go of the power that they feel that they have 547 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,000 acquired as being the only woman to sit at a table. 548 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,080 And when we talk about church hurt, we have to talk about why 549 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,640 it is at the hands of women a lot of times. 550 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,240 And I believe that it goes back to this liking that piece of 551 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,280 power, being in the know, the gossip, all of that. 552 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,520 And so those comment sections are full of women trying to hold 553 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,400 on to something that they don't even own. 554 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,160 No, what do we have that God didn't give us? 555 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,760 I mean, that that's, that's the truth, You know, it's, it's it's 556 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,480 interesting to me. You, you and I have gone to the 557 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,160 same church. We have lived through some some 558 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,440 different things and yet you love Jesus, I love Jesus. 559 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,680 And we don't just love Jesus, we love the church, which means we 560 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,880 love the church that is flawed. We love the church that has 561 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,880 failed us. We love the church that we 562 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,240 believe Jesus is washing with the water of his word to evoke 563 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,040 her beauty. And I'm just so thankful that 564 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,680 you said I want to be part of that. 565 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,400 And I want you to take the time that we have remaining to speak 566 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:36,720 to the women that would come here and say, Natalie, I need 567 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:42,720 you to address both the the weaknesses, but the promise on 568 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,760 the other side and and then pray with them. 569 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,880 Absolutely. Well, women just know man like 570 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:54,080 you are God's greatest jewel. When he made you, it was so 571 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,640 intentional and so with which promise and intentionality. 572 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,440 And you not only are wonderfully and beautifully made, but you 573 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,440 are absolutely worthy of sacred sisterhood, to be adored, to 574 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,480 have good friendship, and to not just have reconciliation and 575 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,600 relationship with the Father, but reconciliation and 576 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,240 relationship with other women. And it's a beautiful thing. 577 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,680 It is a beautiful thing to be able to have Elisa and these 578 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,320 women that are sitting here and the women at the grocery store 579 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,600 and at the store to look at each other and just to think, wow, we 580 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,600 were created by the father to be friends, to love each other, to 581 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,200 care for each other. And that responsibility is so 582 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,600 heavy. It is so massive, but it is so 583 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,800 worth it. And you are worthy of every 584 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,520 friend that comes your way. And so I just want to pray over 585 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,280 you that if you're saying, look, everybody has friends but me, I 586 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,160 want to tell you this. Not everybody has friends. 587 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,960 We're all in this together looking for not 100 friends. 588 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,720 We just need the 1:00 to be able to call and say, I see you, I 589 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,960 love you and let's be what we needed to each other. 590 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,720 We don't have it. Let's create it. 591 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,840 Let's build the tables and let's flip the script on the lies that 592 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,080 the enemy has been trying to get us to believe all these years 593 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,280 and say we're going to follow the better word, and that's the 594 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,680 word of God. That's beautiful. 595 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,600 And they don't need a pulpit to do a Nope, do they? 596 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,960 We can. They can just start on their 597 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,200 knees in their bedroom. Yes. 598 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,040 They can start at their kitchen table and they can invite people 599 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,920 into their homes. Carpool lines, Starbucks, 600 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,640 grocery store, and what is sacred sisterhood? 601 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,000 It's safe sisterhood. It's holy sisterhood. 602 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,400 It's a sanctuary of sisterhood. That's it. 603 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,240 And I hope they heard that being safe does not mean people get to 604 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,640 gossip to you. Being safe means that you 605 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,160 actually help people boundaries frame their words. 606 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,920 You know, you don't shame them, you don't cut them off, but you 607 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,600 help them frame their words. So it's, it's a better report. 608 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,760 You know, I, I want to say this about Natalie. 609 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,160 Natalie, I really believe that this book is a healing agent. 610 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,000 And there's lies, but there's always truth. 611 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:53,000 And the truth is the only thing that stops the progression of a 612 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,520 lie. And I know that some of you are 613 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,040 out there and you've been hurt by women. 614 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,240 I've been hurt by women. Natalie's been hurt by women. 615 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,520 But the truth is, if women can hurt and wound deeply, then we 616 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,960 believe that they can heal deeply as well. 617 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,640 And so the enemy doesn't want you to know that God made you as 618 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,920 a connector. You're supposed to do life and 619 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,040 community. You're supposed to do life with 620 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,600 beauty, femininity, strength, wisdom, and kindness. 621 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,920 And I believe Natalie's book, I don't even like women. 622 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,680 And that's and other lies that get in the way of a sacred 623 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,320 sisterhood is an amazing starting place for you. 624 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,600 So I'm hoping you're going to grab a copy of it. 625 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,960 This isn't just like, oh, I'm going to, I'm going to just do 626 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,680 this. This is going to, this is going 627 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,280 to confront you. And it does have spaces for you 628 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,960 to do the work because you don't want to read a book and then 629 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,560 just put it down. You want to actually have an 630 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,280 experience with transformation. And I believe you've created a 631 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,560 tool for God's daughters to walk in transformation. 632 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,120 And would you mind praying for them just directly over the 633 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,600 audience? Absolutely, God, we thank you so 634 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,480 much for your daughters, Lord, who you don't just love, you 635 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,040 like God. And I thank you, Lord, that you 636 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,880 use your daughters to heal one another, God through friendship, 637 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,760 through sisterhood. And I pray right now, God, for 638 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,640 every woman who is listening, Father, that she would know that 639 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,040 not only is she loved God, but that she is wanted, that she is 640 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,240 beautiful, that she has a calling on her life. 641 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,120 And there are women who want to rally around her and to lift her 642 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,200 arms up over her head and call her blessed. 643 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,600 And so God, I prophecy over what my sister's carry right now. 644 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,240 God and I bless it and I, I call it good Father. 645 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,920 And I just pray, Lord, that we would sit together like midwives 646 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,480 on each other's birthing stools, Father, and call to life the 647 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,520 things that you are birthing inside of us. 648 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,640 And I pray for unity from your daughters and your house in 649 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,760 Jesus name, Amen. Amen. 650 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,080 It's beautiful. Thank you so much for coming and 651 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,040 being with me. I loved you. 652 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,120 I couldn't wait for this. Thank you. 653 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:53,360 You're amazing.