I don't like women. Well listen, we need to stop
saying that because God not only loves women, He likes them.
Female relationships are the most crazy, chaotic and
challenging, but when they are healthy, they are the most
supportive and fulfilling. I was looking at myself in the
mirror and thinking you're not enough and I was projecting that
onto other women. I just said I don't like women.
But really what I was saying is I don't feel wanted, I don't
feel valued, I don't feel invited by other women because
of these lies I believed about myself.
What is the number one lie? I believe in the garden when
Satan looked at Eve and made her question.
In my life, I have found that female relationships are the
most crazy, chaotic and challenging, but when they are
healthy, they are the most supportive and fulfilling.
I believe today God wants to flip the script on that.
Maybe you're out there and you've said I don't like women.
Well, listen, you are not alone and so many women.
I've said that to me. But the truth is we need to stop
saying that because God, not Natalie, loves women.
As my friend Natalie said, he likes them.
So you're going to love today's interview.
We're going to be talking about sacred sisterhood.
And I have one of my favorite people in the entire world
joining me today. Her name is Natalie Runyon, and
she wrote a book which I absolutely love called I Don't
Even Like Women. Oh my gosh, Natalie.
For so many years, I bonded with my audience by saying, I don't
how many of you who don't like women.
The hand would all go up and I'd be like, I don't like them
either. But here's the truth.
These are lies. These are lies that need to be
exposed. And we're going to be talking
about some of those lies because they are getting in the way of
us having a sacred sisterhood and the fullness of life that
God actually means for us to have as women.
So, Natalie, tell me, why in the world would you tackle this
subject? Well, I remember you're not.
One of your and I's very first interactions was I had just
become women's pastor at this large church.
Under protest. Under protest, mind you, after I
had yelled, I don't even like women when they made me go into
this, this role. But I was desperate to find
someone to come in who I trusted to really kind of help me make
this transition. I called you, you came in.
It was the first time we'd met in person.
It wasn't COVID it was it was people were in masked.
Masked and we were already traumatized by all the things,
but we're walking down the hallway and you asked me, you
said, how did you end up taking this job?
Because you were worship. I was worship.
You're like, I don't know. And I said, I don't know, I
don't even like women. And you looked at me and you're
like, yes, I have been saying this for years.
And we bonded over this one phrase that I think, for me,
made me feel so less alone. So thank you for pioneering
this. Thank you for leading US women
all these years and still loving us even when you had a lot of
reasons not to. Well, and I want to say this for
everybody, there's like, why would I want to listen to two
women who don't like women? I am a woman.
Listen, we love women, We love women and the things we didn't
like about women were things that God never meant to be, like
key factors or markers for his daughters and and we are
believing for better things. Absolutely.
And what I learned in my 4 years in that role was that God didn't
invite me there for me to pastor the women.
He invited me there for his women to pastor me.
And so those four years were really humbling as I.
Explained that. You know, I realized that I
didn't like myself. I was looking at myself in the
mirror and thinking, you're not enough.
All these scripts, these lies that I had been believing about
myself over the years, and I was projecting that onto other women
who I felt rejected by or who I didn't feel invited by.
And as a result, I just said I don't like women.
But really what I was saying is I don't feel wanted, I don't
feel valued, I don't feel invited by other women because
of these lies I believed about myself.
And those women really helped flip that script for me.
Wow. What is the number one lie?
Is it the one we've already said, or is there another one
that you find to be that stumbling block or that tripping
point for women? I think this whole idea of that
women are just so competitive really encompasses all of the
things that we're going to talk about today.
Women are so jealous. Women are so insecure.
Are these truths or lies? Or these are fallen traits women
go into. They're all of them.
I believe in the Garden, when Satan looked at Eve and made her
question if she actually heard from God, that's where it all
started. That everything that we know
that is to be true of us, that God says we are.
Satan is right there through a lie to try to deceive us.
Because we know Satan doesn't just lie, he deceives.
He twists truth always. So he's twisting the words of
the Bible, twisting the words of the Father to make us doubt.
Do we actually hear from God? Are we worthy?
Are we wanted? Are we loved?
And then that translates into our relationships.
So now you've hit some things that are they're being contested
right now in the body of Christ so women can hear from God.
How did they hear from God? Only through the Bible.
I believe that through the power of the Holy Spirit that we are
able to discern the voice of the Father in alignment with the
Word of God. And so in order to hear the Word
of God and know the voice of God, we have to know the Word of
God. So as we are in the Word, then
we're able to debunk these lies that Satan speaks over us
through other people and through our own thoughts.
Yeah. You know, I feel like there's so
many women out there that they don't read the word.
They they know fragments of the word and then they know the
religious attacks against women and cultural attacks against
women. Now you actually travel and
minister. Do you minister only to women?
Oh no, I I minister on Sunday mornings to both men and women.
And do you find pushback on that?
You know, I have been very blessed, OK, to not have to deal
with some of the things that I know that those who've gone
before me like yourself and. They're looking at me like
you've had to do. I I also just want to honor you
guys because you have paved ways.
Like I literally get to run because you walked.
I get to stand on the shoulders of those of you who did have men
pick up their chairs and walk out.
I have not had that in my experience, but I truly believe
it's because I'm walking on ground that has already been
tilled up through your generation.
Well, and, and I love that, but of course the goal, as you know,
for women isn't just to get a place in the pulpit.
And and if that's the goal, then we've already lost.
No, we're, we're forgetting that influence is so multifaceted.
It's from the way we parent to the way that we are, you know,
in relationship with our spouses, the way that we serve
in our jobs and the way that we are sacred sisters or safe
sisters to our friends. Like our influence reaches so
beyond just platforms and microphones.
And I think we got so fixated on that.
I have to have title, pastor. I have to have title whatever
that we forgot that actually it's just to show up as a
daughter and be obedient to be exactly who He created us to be.
Yeah, and even Jesus was kind of like, hey, it's the Gentiles
that fight about having titles. I mean, you and are both
Gentiles. But this this was not the best
of best dynamic for us to be a fighting about titles or looking
for a title or looking for affirmation from people when we
have a mandate from God. What are you seeing as you're
traveling and you're ministering out of this message and and
exposing these lies? What are you seeing happen?
Well. First of all, the global church
is beautiful and we can learn a lot as the American church from
the global church. One thing I have found very
interesting is when you go over to the UK, they do not let you
use the phrase pastor's wife, because when they are a pastor
and they are married to a pastor, they too are pastoring
the church. And to see the partnership
between men and women in the church in the UK with something
that I was not prepared for. To see this unique true
partnership between not just husbands and wives, but between
men and women and their respect that they carry for each other
as carriers of the gospel. So I am so encouraged.
And what I'm seeing in the global church, and then what I'm
seeing is I'm also seeing women really just surrender to the
call of God on their lives, whether they have the title
pastor or not. They're just stepping up and
they're serving, they're loving, and they're starting to be that
sacred space that we're wanting to see the church be, not just
for women, but for a hurting world.
Right, you know, and you must be in put different places than
I've been in the UK because I think I definitely had pastor
and pastor's wives when I was there.
But here, here's the thing I love that you're separating is
it's not about a title. It's it's at the end of the day,
we're supposed to be servants. And what are you seeing happen?
Because you and I both know well, maybe you weren't this
way, but God had a deal with my need to control.
He said you are wanting to control and it wasn't, I
wouldn't even say it was an evil motive that I wanted to control.
It was a fear motive. I thought if I am not in control
in my marriage, if I am not in control of like where's our
money coming from? What's our, what's our
employment situation? Do we have life insurance?
Do we have health insurance? If you are not in control, then
you become afraid. So you respond to that fear by
being controlling. And, and for me, it was so
crazy. I had anger was the, you know,
the outcome, but behind the anger was fear and unbelief.
Are you finding that to be kind of a similar pattern for women?
Yes, and I've acted out in this too, because I can remember
growing up where women were allowed to have the title pastor
and then growing up into ministry, into denominations
that didn't allow that and them calling me worship teacher or
worship leader or worship director, anything that he
wasn't pastor. And I remember thinking, but I'm
pastoring these people more than the actual pastor is pastoring
people. And that anger, which we know
anger is a secondary emotion, right to control, to
inferiority, whatever it is. And I would just like be raging
in my office, like why won't they just give me that title?
And I learned I was putting so much energy towards getting them
to change a title that God didn't care what that title was.
He was looking for my obedience. And the more I surrendered to
that, then I was able to really surrender to what he wanted.
Now when they called me into the office and said we want to move
you from worship, you know, to women's ministry, I threw a
massive temper tantrum. And God really did have to pry
that from my cold, dead hands and say you're not a one trick
pony. My daughters are not one trick
ponies. And I have many tools in your
tool belt that I want you to use to help build the Kingdom and
defeat the enemy. And that was for me a massive
issue with control. I wanted title worship pastor.
He wanted me to be a women's pastor.
And that was four years of him having to wrestle that from my
hands. I remember when God and my
husband tricked me into doing a women's meeting and it was a
Pentecostal holiness church. I'm still like, look at me like,
does this got me double Pierce here?
No, no, I mean, I just did not fit.
And I remember just crying out and saying I don't like women.
I don't like women. I'm not really a woman.
I have a man's brain, a woman's body.
I I don't connect with women. And I threw this whole fit, and
the only response I got from my Heavenly Father was I like
women. And I was like, OK, that makes
sense. You did create.
You did create them. OK, You, you made them.
And he said to me, begin to tell my daughters that their answers,
not problems. He said they're hearing
constantly in the church that their problems to be controlled
rather than answers to be embraced.
And when you think you're a problem, you act like a problem.
And I do feel like this is what your book is addressing, the
lies that women have listened to, whether it's the feminist
telling them you need to take power from the man, it's our
turn now, You need to do whatever that is or whether it's
insecurity and fear. And you know, I know that you
address very specifically some of these lies And, and why, why,
why, why is this so important right now?
Well, the church is having this kind of ongoing conversation
between what's happening in our society and then what's also
happening in the church. So women are getting inundated
on both sides. They're hearing, what does the
world say about me? And then what does my pastor say
about me? What do you, some of the men
that I work beside, say about me?
And so we're constantly trying to find that rhythm within the
church culture as well as in the world.
And so when I post about these things, these lies, like women
are so competitive, women are so judgmental, women are so caddy
or emotional, What really comes out are women trying to defend
positions that they were ever meant to defend.
Like God being our defender, we should be able to rest in the
truth that no, I'm a daughter, I have a place at the table.
But because we're hearing all of these lies coming from not just
Hollywood, but also Christian culture, women are getting a
double dose of this whole Did God really say this about you?
Not just coming from the world, but from the church?
And that's why I want to encourage women to stay in their
positions in the church, to serve, and to watch God move
through our obedience. Not our titles, not what seat at
the table we have, but just by showing up and being the woman
God's created us to be. That is absolutely beautiful.
And you know, one of the things I think that is so clear in your
heart is you're actually calling women to repent of agreement
with lies. And and the truth is, you know,
as so many people want to blame the men, we want to blame the
culture, we want to blame the church.
But the truth is that none of that happens unless we agree
with it or react to it. And so when we say, all right,
God, I've wanted to control or I have been competitive because
I've watched how men compete to drive each other higher and
women will compete to eliminate. And part of that is because they
feel like there's not a seat at the table for them.
And, and something I had to, I mean, I, I feel like all of us
as we're in the women's world have experienced that scarcity.
Like Oh no, like if if she has a space and I have less
opportunity, but you're actually counteracting that her having a
space means you have more opportunity.
Yes, it's a it's collaboration is what kills competition.
And so when I get a seat at a table, what I'm looking for is
how many more chairs can I pull up to make more room for my
sisters. I want to speak their names in
rooms that they don't even know that their names are being
spoken in because I'm thinking, how much stronger are we
together? It's also beautiful for our
brothers to see us working in harmony, for where there is
unity, it commands the Lord's blessing.
And so for our brothers to see us preferring one another to
say, Oh, yeah, I can actually do this, but that I have a friend
who's better at this than I am, can I introduce you to them?
They might be a better fit. And to start preferring sisters
over each other. The tables can be so long and
wide when we start pulling up chairs versus saying, oh, God
must have favorite daughters because there's only one seat at
that table when God doesn't have favorite kids.
And so I've learned in all of my saying I don't like women, that
I actually love women even more when there's more of us sitting
at the table. That's beautiful.
Yeah. And I feel like God will
actually give you the gift of making you go into this room of
women that you didn't want to be part of.
And then God's like, OK, and where did that come from?
Where did that come from? Where?
Because I know you've grown up in the church.
I grew up as a heathen, but you grew up in the church.
So what? Where did that I don't like
women thing come from? It always felt so fake.
I always joke about how my first memories of women's ministry was
they would do foot washings and the women would leave their hose
off. I had that somebody here to me,
somebody did it to me. I was like, I'm not taking my
hose off it. Was a little weird and there
were tea parties and so many fake flowers and it felt like
also being a pastor's kid. So bad.
Like being a pastor's kid, these same women who were like putting
off these beautiful events were also gossiping about my mom and
talking about my dad and trying to parent me and, and making
judgment calls about me as a pastor's kid.
And so the one. You were a cheerleader.
Yes, I was like, that's. Like Satan, all of that.
You know, it was like all the ones that were like praying with
me at the altar were also the ones that were talking about me
behind my back. And why do you think that was?
You know, I could go on and on about all the things I think
about the lies that women are jealous, but at the end of the
day, I just believe we are fallen people carrying a perfect
gospel. And just like Paul told us in
Corinthians, look, I've been betrayed by my enemies and
betrayed by those I thought were my brothers.
This is just part of the Christian walk.
And I have to decide, am I going to let that keep me from Jesus
or am I going to to be the change?
Am I going to be part of the solution?
In this book, I pray is the beginning of a conversation that
our daughters aren't going to have to live through what we
walked out, what you walked out. That every generation is being
the change that God has called us to be for true, safe, sacred
sanctuary of sisterhood that we're called to be so that we
don't have to be those caddy women gossiping in the bathroom
that we're prophesying, not gossiping.
Yes, yes, to all of it. That would be so powerful.
You know, Psalm 6811 says the Lord announces victory and
throngs of women shout the happy news.
And then I love it says enemy kings and their armies flee as
the women, they they collect the plunder.
So, so one of the things I love about that is that hasn't
happened. And so that is the prophetic
Psalm. And it's interesting because if
you really think about it, it says the Lord announces victory
and it says enemy kings and their armies flee.
So this is talking about a city under siege, that there is a
siege and God is saying, I see what's going on, but I'm not
going to say what the enemy is saying.
I'm going to say there's victory.
And if we will begin to say what God is saying, then the enemy
kings and all of their armies that have been camped around us
with lies, with cultural strongholds, with religious
strongholds, we just fall in nature.
Like you said, sin, sin, sin is just so yucky.
It makes us say and do things or we choose to say and do things
that we just are so ungracious. So not she opens her mouth with
wisdom and kindness. You know, that that dynamic.
And I, I do believe that that is a prophetic Psalm.
And I do believe God is watching and waiting for us to be those
women. You know, Christian and I, we
went to the farmers market and we were talking about this
dynamic. And I told her there is a quote
that I read many years ago by Margaret Mead and she's an
anthropologist. And she said historically across
every single culture, that sister is the most competitive
relationship in the family. But when they grow up, but when
they grow up, they become the most powerful.
And I believe that your book is an invitation for the women to
grow up. It's time.
It's time for us to grow up so that we're not just competing,
but we're all winning. And our family, highly
competitive sports, pickleball, golf, whatever it is.
You know, when when somebody wins and somebody loses and John
does not like to lose, I'm just going to say it.
We've had to teach them to say a win for.
Them is a win for me because I'm like John's like, no, it's not.
It's a loss for me. I'm like, it's a win.
If one of your sons win, it's a win.
And, and I think that that is something this sisterhood needs
to say. And don't you think it's
interesting that Satan, he knows the power that we as women
collectively have when we're unified, that we are an army,
not a sorority, That we actually.
Are you in a sorority? I was not.
I was. I was you.
I was. No, listen, I'm just going to
say it was quite possibly one of the most terrifying things is if
you exited a room and then remember, oh, I forgot my
toothbrush. Walk back in.
They were talking about you. It, it was terrifying.
You know, the church wasn't meant to be that sorority or the
Country Club. It's meant to be this army of
believers. And when women look at the
partnership between JL and Deborah right, you see what, 40
years of peace to Israel because two women were obedient to stay
in position and use what was in their hand.
And women from very different backgrounds.
Yes, and even Mary and Elizabeth.
I mean, Elizabeth's been praying for this baby.
Mary comes busting in like I'm going to have the Son of God.
And you know, what does Elizabeth do?
She starts prophesying. Not you stole my Thunder, but
man. I've been hiding.
I've been keeping this right. Well, the thing.
I love about Elizabeth, which is such a beautiful thing.
The word of the Lord was that John the Baptist would be filled
from the Spirit, with the spirit from his mother's womb.
But she was like, after all this time, I'm sorry.
It's not just him. I'm going to be filled with the
Spirit too, and she the babe in her left.
And then she prophesied. And then you think about this
like, then he begins to announce the coming of Jesus.
Jesus goes. And then I think about that,
like, what I carry is not in competition with what you carry.
In fact, it may be a harbinger for what the next generation of
women are going to carry. And are we willing to not be in
that competition with each other to actually carry what God wants
us to carry and not despise it because it may not be as good in
our mind, but it's just as holy and just as important?
Yeah, I do think that you're speaking to a whole generation
of women that we've got the Ruth and Naomi too.
Yes. And Naomi's that have trying to
change her name to Mara to bitterness that hey, I went out
full and I'm coming back empty. And now, you know, I've got this
Moabite daughter-in-law who she's the only one that stuck
with me, you know, and and but instead of being resentful, she
positions her with the kinsman Redeemer.
And it's so funny when, when you study this relationship between
these two women, it was like, she could have, like, she could
have just completely signed off, but she was like, no.
And then you see that when Ruth has a baby, she brings her to
Naomi, and Naomi nurses her. Now, I don't know if that really
means she breastfeeds her, but it means that all of a sudden
her life was full again. And if we can get the older
women and the younger women to connect in this house, you
describe a sacred sisterhood, which is there's absolutely no
room for competition. There's absolutely no room for
gossip. You know, I, I think gossip is
such a subtle thing for women. What, what, What are some of the
things, like addressing gossip that you've done with your
writing? You know, in the church it looks
like a prayer request, it looks like concern, it looks like
unity if it's not carefully managed and discerned.
And This is why I always say gossip is the egos demand to be
heard when it has nothing important to say.
Can you just say that one more time?
Gossip is the egos demand to be heard when we actually don't
have anything important to say. And I think for a lot of us, we
think if I can just insert myself into this conversation,
I'll feel wanted or if I can contribute, I'll feel validated.
Rather than talk about our own vulnerabilities or talk about
our own insecurities, we will target somebody else's failures
or flaws to feel like we're part of something.
And this is another indicator that we are feeling lost or not
validated or not wanted. And so gossip is this very low
hanging fruit in the church that looks like a common denominator,
but really it's sin and we really have to beat the buck
where it stops with as women to say, you know what, this is not
a good conversation. I think we need to change
topics. And I've yet to do that and
actually not be received by my friends.
Yeah, I remember. And you know, and I'm not saying
I'm totally innocent, but I do remember there was a time where
God was like, I'm trying to do some things in your life and
you're not gossiping, but you're listening to it.
Yes. And he said, people are bringing
you things and they say, I'll bring I'm bringing this to you.
I'm bringing this to you, Natalie, because you're safe.
And he said you may be safe for them, but it is not safe for
you. And he said, I said in my word,
don't speak it and don't listen to it.
And so he made me have to start calling people back and
apologizing. Not I would say, I am so sorry
that I was gossiping. And they say, oh, you didn't say
anything. I'd be like, I know, but I was
listening, I was listening, I had an opportunity yesterday.
I was on a, a beautiful young woman's podcast.
And, and afterwards we, we did the podcast for an hour and then
we talked on, on just on, you know, on Zoom for like another
hour. And I was sharing with her my
thoughts about somebody that had been less than kind towards that
person. And I said to her, you know, I
realized that I was judgmental towards that person.
I realized I was the Pharisee in that mix that I, you can go to
bed free and wake up a Pharisee and you think you're spiritual
both times. And I just shared it with her.
And as soon as I shared what I had seen in my own life, she
opened up and shared. And I do think that God is not
going to give us that one accord or the kind of anointing that
we're hoping to see in the body of Christ that sets captive 3
that, you know, draws the Spirit of God into our meetings because
you, you and I both know if the Spirit of God is not in the
meetings. No, it's not going to happen.
And and truly part of my journey of healing.
I mean, my other books have been about church hurt.
So much of my own healing has been repenting for the areas
where I contributed to some of that pain and to that hurt by my
own actions and looking in the mirror and saying, wow, yeah,
there's women who have talked about me, but I've talked about
women and and I've also been the one to have to call people and
just recently and say, I'm so sorry I partnered with that
narrative like that was not in my heart.
And, and to be free from that and to say, in order for me to
forgive, I have to be able to ask for forgiveness for me to be
repentant. And look, the upper room revival
didn't fall in the upper room until they repented.
And that's what this what I believe is coming to the church
is not just this overall global repentance, but individual
repentance where we look in the mirror and say, let it start
with me. That's absolutely beautiful.
You know, it's always shocking and amazing to me that we, you
look at spiritual warfare and the first step of spiritual
warfare is repentance. It is humility.
We, we, we submit ourselves to God, we resist the devil and
then he flees. And so many people just go after
the devil and, and he's just laughing at us.
He's like, I, I know how you talk about other people.
I know what you've said about your husband.
I know what you've said about your church.
I know what you've said. And then I find that people that
gossip about their church, then they go to the church and they
don't receive anything. Yes.
And then they then they leave that church.
Right. And then they go to another
place and the first time somebody does something they
don't like. Right, there's a common
denominator there and yeah, I we also know that the devil is in
the comment section of our social media accounts too, and
we can see he. Said yours, he said mine.
Too. He's right there.
And what are people coming at? They're coming at these idols
that we have created that we have allowed to become comfort
blankets. They've become these like places
of security for us. And I think gossip is one of
those identity, our titles. And the minute we uncover those
idols, the very first ones to come at us are Christians who
are wanting to hold on. And so that's been the hardest
part about this message has really been watching women not
want to let go of the power that they feel that they have
acquired as being the only woman to sit at a table.
And when we talk about church hurt, we have to talk about why
it is at the hands of women a lot of times.
And I believe that it goes back to this liking that piece of
power, being in the know, the gossip, all of that.
And so those comment sections are full of women trying to hold
on to something that they don't even own.
No, what do we have that God didn't give us?
I mean, that that's, that's the truth, You know, it's, it's it's
interesting to me. You, you and I have gone to the
same church. We have lived through some some
different things and yet you love Jesus, I love Jesus.
And we don't just love Jesus, we love the church, which means we
love the church that is flawed. We love the church that has
failed us. We love the church that we
believe Jesus is washing with the water of his word to evoke
her beauty. And I'm just so thankful that
you said I want to be part of that.
And I want you to take the time that we have remaining to speak
to the women that would come here and say, Natalie, I need
you to address both the the weaknesses, but the promise on
the other side and and then pray with them.
Absolutely. Well, women just know man like
you are God's greatest jewel. When he made you, it was so
intentional and so with which promise and intentionality.
And you not only are wonderfully and beautifully made, but you
are absolutely worthy of sacred sisterhood, to be adored, to
have good friendship, and to not just have reconciliation and
relationship with the Father, but reconciliation and
relationship with other women. And it's a beautiful thing.
It is a beautiful thing to be able to have Elisa and these
women that are sitting here and the women at the grocery store
and at the store to look at each other and just to think, wow, we
were created by the father to be friends, to love each other, to
care for each other. And that responsibility is so
heavy. It is so massive, but it is so
worth it. And you are worthy of every
friend that comes your way. And so I just want to pray over
you that if you're saying, look, everybody has friends but me, I
want to tell you this. Not everybody has friends.
We're all in this together looking for not 100 friends.
We just need the 1:00 to be able to call and say, I see you, I
love you and let's be what we needed to each other.
We don't have it. Let's create it.
Let's build the tables and let's flip the script on the lies that
the enemy has been trying to get us to believe all these years
and say we're going to follow the better word, and that's the
word of God. That's beautiful.
And they don't need a pulpit to do a Nope, do they?
We can. They can just start on their
knees in their bedroom. Yes.
They can start at their kitchen table and they can invite people
into their homes. Carpool lines, Starbucks,
grocery store, and what is sacred sisterhood?
It's safe sisterhood. It's holy sisterhood.
It's a sanctuary of sisterhood. That's it.
And I hope they heard that being safe does not mean people get to
gossip to you. Being safe means that you
actually help people boundaries frame their words.
You know, you don't shame them, you don't cut them off, but you
help them frame their words. So it's, it's a better report.
You know, I, I want to say this about Natalie.
Natalie, I really believe that this book is a healing agent.
And there's lies, but there's always truth.
And the truth is the only thing that stops the progression of a
lie. And I know that some of you are
out there and you've been hurt by women.
I've been hurt by women. Natalie's been hurt by women.
But the truth is, if women can hurt and wound deeply, then we
believe that they can heal deeply as well.
And so the enemy doesn't want you to know that God made you as
a connector. You're supposed to do life and
community. You're supposed to do life with
beauty, femininity, strength, wisdom, and kindness.
And I believe Natalie's book, I don't even like women.
And that's and other lies that get in the way of a sacred
sisterhood is an amazing starting place for you.
So I'm hoping you're going to grab a copy of it.
This isn't just like, oh, I'm going to, I'm going to just do
this. This is going to, this is going
to confront you. And it does have spaces for you
to do the work because you don't want to read a book and then
just put it down. You want to actually have an
experience with transformation. And I believe you've created a
tool for God's daughters to walk in transformation.
And would you mind praying for them just directly over the
audience? Absolutely, God, we thank you so
much for your daughters, Lord, who you don't just love, you
like God. And I thank you, Lord, that you
use your daughters to heal one another, God through friendship,
through sisterhood. And I pray right now, God, for
every woman who is listening, Father, that she would know that
not only is she loved God, but that she is wanted, that she is
beautiful, that she has a calling on her life.
And there are women who want to rally around her and to lift her
arms up over her head and call her blessed.
And so God, I prophecy over what my sister's carry right now.
God and I bless it and I, I call it good Father.
And I just pray, Lord, that we would sit together like midwives
on each other's birthing stools, Father, and call to life the
things that you are birthing inside of us.
And I pray for unity from your daughters and your house in
Jesus name, Amen. Amen.
It's beautiful. Thank you so much for coming and
being with me. I loved you.
I couldn't wait for this. Thank you.
You're amazing.