1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:00:03,000 Dylan Daily Mail front page, cynical walk out. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,300 That portrays our children again. 3 00:00:05,500 --> 00:00:07,700 Can you believe it? These teachers our children 4 00:00:07,700 --> 00:00:09,500 cannot afford another day of school? 5 00:00:09,500 --> 00:00:11,200 Not a single day. I absolutely agree. 6 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,500 But before we carry on, I'm just going to phone call one second. 7 00:00:14,500 --> 00:00:18,800 Hello, I King Charles I did not bad. 8 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:20,600 Not bad. Yep, no problem. 9 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,300 So you get a crown on your head on Saturday and you want the 10 00:00:24,300 --> 00:00:26,300 schools to close on the Monday for all children. 11 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:32,800 Okay and when is this SATs week? Yeah, one day won't hurt, no 12 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:33,600 problem. See you then. 13 00:00:39,700 --> 00:00:42,500 Hey everyone, welcome to the first episode of this brand, new 14 00:00:42,500 --> 00:00:46,500 podcast, teach sleep, repeat my name is Dylan, and my name is 15 00:00:46,508 --> 00:00:49,000 Hayden and we are primary school teachers. 16 00:00:49,300 --> 00:00:53,400 And we thought what better way to start our podcast with one of 17 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,200 the most quietest weeks in recent, history, Hayden anything 18 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,600 happening this week and not really Monday pretty normal 19 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,300 Tuesday. Yeah, and so on Wednesday, we 20 00:01:02,300 --> 00:01:04,400 had a couple hundred thousand teachers got a strike. 21 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:07,800 Oh, Not know what a pretty significant. 22 00:01:07,900 --> 00:01:11,900 So we chosen this week to start off our podcast. 23 00:01:11,900 --> 00:01:14,400 For those of you who don't know, I'm sure you will do because 24 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,400 it's been flooding, the media, the any you, which is one of the 25 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,300 biggest education unions in the country ballad to their members 26 00:01:20,300 --> 00:01:22,500 over the last few months. Hayden, the nine members of the, 27 00:01:22,508 --> 00:01:25,600 any you, and I don't think Hayden mines are saying that we 28 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,800 voted. Yes to strike action and after 29 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:33,600 the turnout of over 50% and with 90%, plus voting to strike, it 30 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,200 came into effect on the first of the February, which was a 31 00:01:36,208 --> 00:01:38,000 Wednesday. And the only one hundreds of 32 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,900 thousands of teachers on strike, but there are hundreds of 33 00:01:39,900 --> 00:01:42,900 thousands of other workers. I think, in total Hayden, it 34 00:01:42,900 --> 00:01:45,700 went past, five hundred thousand people on strike. 35 00:01:45,700 --> 00:01:49,400 So it's a really big thing that's happened and I we think, 36 00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:53,600 you know, as to teachers and a lot of stuff in the press as you 37 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,600 could tell by her intro this week not necessarily being very 38 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,700 supportive. I think we want to get our point 39 00:01:58,700 --> 00:02:00,400 across don't we? Yeah absolutely. 40 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,900 And like one of the biggest things for me, I'm just going to 41 00:02:03,300 --> 00:02:06,500 Chuck this stat. You was just seeing How many new 42 00:02:06,500 --> 00:02:09,800 members the any you gained in the last couple of weeks and 43 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,300 that just speaks volumes to me? And I know they use that stat a 44 00:02:12,308 --> 00:02:15,300 lot in their, in their kind of campaign as well, but I think it 45 00:02:15,308 --> 00:02:19,100 was around 40,000 40,000. Yeah, I had I think by the end, 46 00:02:19,100 --> 00:02:22,100 it was about 20,000 because just to clarify, there are a couple 47 00:02:22,100 --> 00:02:25,600 of teaching unions, not all of them at the threshold to strike. 48 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,700 So I think people felt very passionately about their desire 49 00:02:28,700 --> 00:02:31,500 to strike. So for them to switch over in 50 00:02:31,500 --> 00:02:35,300 the interim period, it does just show that, you know, this is a 51 00:02:35,300 --> 00:02:37,700 strongly supported strike in the profession for sure. 52 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,200 Yeah. So what I wanted to do Hayden, 53 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,300 I've kind of come up this little game okay because what I didn't 54 00:02:44,300 --> 00:02:47,100 want to happen was we just jump on here and then we just end up 55 00:02:47,100 --> 00:02:49,700 getting into a heated argument where we both agree with each 56 00:02:49,700 --> 00:02:51,200 other and get annoyed where I went. 57 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:56,900 So as always, so what we've got here is quite a nice little. 58 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,700 Let's just say role-playing activity. 59 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:05,100 So I've put together some of the most popular, Auntie strike are 60 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,800 Difference, right? And I can tell already just by 61 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,400 your face that I can see. You are already willing to fight 62 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,000 against, I'm ready? I'm raring. 63 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,700 I can feel my Palms getting sweaty. 64 00:03:17,900 --> 00:03:19,900 I'm sure that's a vivid image for the listeners. 65 00:03:20,500 --> 00:03:23,000 So, just full disclosure here obviously, there's lots of 66 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,400 arguments online. We see in the newspapers but 67 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,000 this these particular arguments I found them on a really, really 68 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,800 interesting. In Instagram page called Emily 69 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,700 explains. It's been posted around Lots. 70 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,800 She's brilliant at making these infographics. 71 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,900 So make sure you do try and just check that out. 72 00:03:38,900 --> 00:03:41,800 But she put together these slides of common arguments 73 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,200 against the strike and how to kind of counteract them. 74 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,000 Now, I know for a fact Hayden, you haven't seen them. 75 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,900 So you don't know these arguments Advanced. 76 00:03:48,100 --> 00:03:51,700 So I'm going to see what you can tell me as a teacher who voted, 77 00:03:51,700 --> 00:03:53,900 yes to strike action, where we actually stand. 78 00:03:53,900 --> 00:03:56,100 So that if anyone actually does have these arguments in their 79 00:03:56,100 --> 00:03:58,600 head and they don't necessarily go, the strikes where we are 80 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,800 coming from, right? You better not maybe make me 81 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,400 embarrass myself at Dillon, no way, no way. 82 00:04:03,500 --> 00:04:06,100 And I just want to say there are a few arguments against the 83 00:04:06,100 --> 00:04:08,000 strike that were not even going to contemplate, right? 84 00:04:08,300 --> 00:04:11,500 So anyone who says you shouldn't be allowed to strike when I'm 85 00:04:11,500 --> 00:04:14,300 gonna go there, Yeah. Okay, that's fair enough. 86 00:04:15,500 --> 00:04:18,200 So let's get started. Let's go straight in and I'm 87 00:04:18,207 --> 00:04:20,300 going to put in a voice as well. Okay, this is the classic anti 88 00:04:20,300 --> 00:04:23,400 strike and teacher person. I'm going to get into the role 89 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:24,700 ready. Not wait to hear what you sound 90 00:04:24,700 --> 00:04:27,200 like. Okay, let's do this after covid. 91 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,700 Kids need to be in school. That's why do you sound like 92 00:04:31,700 --> 00:04:32,900 that? Amazing? 93 00:04:32,900 --> 00:04:34,700 Right, so, we start again, I'm listening. 94 00:04:34,700 --> 00:04:35,900 I need to tell me take this seriously. 95 00:04:35,900 --> 00:04:38,300 Here we go. Okay, I'm gonna do the poster 96 00:04:38,300 --> 00:04:41,600 after covid. The kids need to be in school. 97 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,600 Especially the vulnerable ones. Or did I tell you what? 98 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:45,800 I'm a cat. I'm annoyed. 99 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,300 You started with this one because that's probably like, 100 00:04:47,300 --> 00:04:49,800 the biggest argument. The one that nearly made me go 101 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,200 on, maybe we shouldn't, but my gut reaction to that because 102 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,000 someone said that to me in person was yeah. 103 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,200 Okay. Well they're also not a school 104 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,100 at the weekends and all of the half times and holidays and 105 00:05:01,108 --> 00:05:04,200 other bank holidays, including the bank holiday that was thrown 106 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,200 at us randomly this year for King Charles as well. 107 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:11,000 So I just don't think it really holds up personally as a reason 108 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,300 not to strike as if it's like that's that counteracts. 109 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,200 Else like all of the reasons we do strike for I don't think 110 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,500 although it's a good argument because obviously we care about 111 00:05:20,500 --> 00:05:22,300 these kids. And that's the idea of that 112 00:05:22,300 --> 00:05:27,400 argument is like praying on us on our sort of our weakness. 113 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,200 Is I guess, of course, we care about these children and it's 114 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,100 hard to say. Now don't do want to look after 115 00:05:33,100 --> 00:05:36,000 those kids, you know. But I just think there's a 116 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,800 bigger picture. Yeah, absolutely great. 117 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,000 And from my point of view, the thing it really frustrates me is 118 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,000 when someone plays the vulnerable children card, you 119 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,000 know, or you know, there's children who have special 120 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:51,000 educational needs because if we're going to get angry about 121 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,700 the provision for these children because they miss school for one 122 00:05:53,700 --> 00:05:55,200 extra day. Like you said, which is just one 123 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,700 day of over 100 in this, in the whole year. 124 00:05:57,700 --> 00:06:01,700 When they're not in school, we should be getting 100 times as 125 00:06:01,700 --> 00:06:04,300 angry. At the fact that any budget has 126 00:06:04,300 --> 00:06:07,900 been been squeezed over the last decade, there's no money in 127 00:06:07,900 --> 00:06:11,000 place to support these children. The social care aspect has been 128 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,900 absolutely drained, and these children are falling through the 129 00:06:13,907 --> 00:06:17,300 net. So for someone to pick that up 130 00:06:17,300 --> 00:06:19,900 as a kind of point, I just think they're actually missing the 131 00:06:19,900 --> 00:06:21,800 bigger picture and I tell you something as well. 132 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,900 I really don't like, is this like whole rhetoric around like 133 00:06:24,900 --> 00:06:27,400 it, that every responsibility is on teachers. 134 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,800 I don't like that. Like, obviously teachers are 135 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,900 responsible for loads of things and we shouldn't say that 136 00:06:31,900 --> 00:06:35,500 they're not but the whole point of this strike is to say. 137 00:06:35,700 --> 00:06:38,100 It's the government that are in charge of this the government 138 00:06:38,100 --> 00:06:40,200 can change that if we have a problem with these vulnerable 139 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,700 children, not having a place to go for that day. 140 00:06:42,700 --> 00:06:44,600 The government can do something about that. 141 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,700 That's the point of the strike at the end of they like you're 142 00:06:46,700 --> 00:06:49,400 saying, we're not trained social workers. 143 00:06:49,700 --> 00:06:52,300 We want the absolute best for these children and we have a 144 00:06:52,308 --> 00:06:54,900 specific skill set that we're very good at and we take 145 00:06:54,900 --> 00:06:56,400 Safeguard and extremely seriously. 146 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,500 And if I had to say the number one, most important part of my 147 00:06:58,500 --> 00:07:01,000 job, that I take the most seriously, is that children, are 148 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,200 in a safe environment, but it's a separate argument to striking 149 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:06,300 or not. It really is. 150 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,400 Yeah, it's not enough to say no no striking. 151 00:07:08,500 --> 00:07:10,200 So good. Try Dylan. 152 00:07:11,300 --> 00:07:12,900 Okay. Okay, so I'm going to I'm going 153 00:07:12,900 --> 00:07:15,400 to get into role now as someone else from a different part, the 154 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,100 country because I'm sure not all people from London are against 155 00:07:18,100 --> 00:07:19,700 the strike, so bad accent. I'm gonna. 156 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,400 Yeah, I'm going to find an accent ready, right? 157 00:07:24,100 --> 00:07:29,400 I hope you're ready for this. Well teachers, happy hot. 158 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,500 Sorry why I just yeah, I was expecting that. 159 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,300 Come on. It's a posh. 160 00:07:35,300 --> 00:07:37,700 It's a posh lady. Now, from somewhere in the 161 00:07:37,700 --> 00:07:39,500 middle of the country is why wouldn't you just gone straight 162 00:07:39,500 --> 00:07:42,400 to that ya? Go teachers have been offered up 163 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,700 to a nine percent pay rise. They just being greedy. 164 00:07:45,500 --> 00:07:47,400 Oh gosh that's my favorite that's my favorite one. 165 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,200 This is the easiest one to bat away. 166 00:07:49,700 --> 00:07:55,300 Look it's simple. If inflation is let's say 10% to 167 00:07:55,300 --> 00:07:58,500 make it easy and you don't get a 10% pay rise. 168 00:07:59,100 --> 00:08:00,400 You haven't had a pay rise at all. 169 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,200 If anything you've had a pay cut, if you get 10 percent, you 170 00:08:03,207 --> 00:08:05,800 still haven't had a pay rise. You just get in the same pay as 171 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:10,500 last year is just scaled up. Yeah, absolutely. 172 00:08:10,500 --> 00:08:13,200 And you know the annoys me the most about this rhetoric because 173 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,300 Jillian Keegan the education secretary has been on the 174 00:08:16,300 --> 00:08:19,000 television and I said, this sentence out loud and it's 175 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,900 outrageous because it's a classic case of using data to 176 00:08:22,900 --> 00:08:26,500 support your argument. In a really snide way, she went 177 00:08:26,500 --> 00:08:30,800 on and said, teaches some teachers will be receiving a 15% 178 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,700 pay rise and they keep saying the things along the line was 179 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:35,900 along the lines of newly qualified. 180 00:08:35,900 --> 00:08:37,900 Teachers will be receiving a 9% pay rise. 181 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,299 This is Ingenuous because the vast majority of teachers are 182 00:08:43,299 --> 00:08:46,200 not newly qualified teachers and they will not be receiving 183 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,200 anything close to a nine percent pay raise. 184 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,900 So to say that as the kind of answer to well you know teachers 185 00:08:51,900 --> 00:08:53,800 are getting a pay rise for my staff. 186 00:08:53,900 --> 00:08:55,600 It's nowhere near that it's just lying. 187 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,600 Really? I was actually speaking to an EC 188 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:03,200 T recently and it's that was just a bit of confusion in like 189 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,100 this idea of pay rise is actually little bit annoying 190 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,800 because they were saying I'm getting a really good pay rise 191 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,300 because I'm jumping from like bad. 192 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,200 Wanda Bantu and obviously there will be, you know, some sort of 193 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:14,900 inflationary pressure, rise on that as well. 194 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,300 Which feels like a good pay rise but I think we need to stop 195 00:09:18,300 --> 00:09:22,400 confusing this idea of moving through the band's within your 196 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,400 job. That's a different kind of pay 197 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,400 rise to the inflationary. Pay rise for people that are on 198 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,600 the same band like that. That's a very different thing 199 00:09:29,700 --> 00:09:31,200 and it should fill it should be even bigger. 200 00:09:31,300 --> 00:09:32,600 You know, you should have you should have both. 201 00:09:32,700 --> 00:09:35,100 I think you've just absolutely hit the nail on the head there, 202 00:09:35,100 --> 00:09:37,700 because we have progression in paying our jobs because we're 203 00:09:37,700 --> 00:09:42,100 more experienced. We have more more ability to 204 00:09:42,100 --> 00:09:44,400 kind of deal with children gets better. 205 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,000 And we're trusted more as we get more and more years behind us in 206 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,500 the profession. So that that progression is 207 00:09:50,500 --> 00:09:51,800 completely separate to inflation. 208 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,600 You're absolutely right. So yeah, they're going to get a 209 00:09:53,608 --> 00:09:54,800 pay rise. Absolutely. 210 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,600 But that's not just the way they show data, it's just so 211 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:00,900 disingenuous. Yeah. 212 00:10:00,900 --> 00:10:03,300 So yeah, I think I agree that argument when I saw that. 213 00:10:03,300 --> 00:10:06,000 I thought Hayden will have a field day here because that's 214 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,600 not how inflation works. Yeah, I like the Tories though. 215 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,100 Isn't it too? Sort of complaint data, got a 216 00:10:11,100 --> 00:10:14,800 user, the big pick out the best bits to push their agenda. 217 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,200 That's just strange. Don't normally see that the 218 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,300 really annoys me because just on a side note they said in prime 219 00:10:20,300 --> 00:10:22,800 minister's questions, Ritchie sooner was saying, it's the 220 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,700 largest increase in pay for 30 years and I was just saying, 221 00:10:26,700 --> 00:10:29,600 cool, should we put that in the context of the last 12? 222 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,500 Yes, i-i'll call. It's also the largest rise in 223 00:10:32,500 --> 00:10:34,300 inflation, so it's kind of irrelevant. 224 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,700 Yeah, it's like yeah, if you were to take inflation as a 225 00:10:37,708 --> 00:10:40,100 percentage and take away the It's rise. 226 00:10:40,300 --> 00:10:41,700 It's actually the biggest it with honesty. 227 00:10:41,700 --> 00:10:45,800 So nice one. Oh man, just a classic case of 228 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,600 using data to back up your argument and being disingenuous 229 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,400 it's just snide it's Sneaky and it's what they're really, really 230 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,300 good at and it works for them. That's the problem. 231 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,500 It does and you know, as you can see from these arguments so 232 00:10:56,500 --> 00:10:57,500 let's go on to number three ready? 233 00:10:57,500 --> 00:11:00,000 Yep, yep. We're doing this person to be 234 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,900 from. Well, you kind of shot me with 235 00:11:03,900 --> 00:11:07,500 the the the Posh woman somewhere up north, you know, go back to 236 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:09,300 your roots. Yeah. 237 00:11:09,700 --> 00:11:11,400 Yeah, true. I mean just for anyone listening 238 00:11:11,500 --> 00:11:13,500 I am a northerner at harm and it sound like it. 239 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,100 Okay, what word, the odd word that comes out, as Northern 240 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,900 gone. It's 111 instead of one rant 241 00:11:19,900 --> 00:11:23,100 one. And I'm just gonna have a Bryant 242 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,900 that's like super, super Posh. It's like, I know what every 243 00:11:27,900 --> 00:11:29,500 time you say. I can't take you seriously 244 00:11:29,500 --> 00:11:30,600 going, right? Let's get this. 245 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,400 Have a rant. So the next one. 246 00:11:33,700 --> 00:11:35,200 Okay, you got to like this song enough. 247 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:41,000 I'm not. 13 weeks off each year, a good pension, I can't believe 248 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,900 it. Oh man, two things ready? 249 00:11:43,900 --> 00:11:47,000 I'm going to summarize this real quick holidays aren't paid. 250 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,200 We just have our pay spread across the year and not paid. 251 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,800 So please stop using that I can make three points. 252 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,000 I lied, second point is, if you take all the hours, a teacher 253 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,500 works. In the year, it's still more 254 00:11:57,500 --> 00:11:59,300 hours and most people work in a year. 255 00:11:59,300 --> 00:12:02,500 It's just we have 13 weeks holiday. 256 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,500 Those hours are just more condensed and my third Point, 257 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,400 pensions. They have been massively 258 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,700 massively. What's the word I'm looking for? 259 00:12:10,700 --> 00:12:13,800 Not scrapped, but made much worse over the last 12 years. 260 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,500 Pensions used to be way better. They're still good. 261 00:12:15,500 --> 00:12:17,600 Pensions, don't get me wrong but they were better. 262 00:12:18,700 --> 00:12:21,000 Yeah, they used to be and I believe it was Final salary, 263 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:21,600 right? Yeah. 264 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,200 So you would work your way up the scale and then wherever you 265 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,100 want, find a salary. That would be a pension. 266 00:12:27,300 --> 00:12:31,100 And just a quick note here, and I agree with what you're saying 267 00:12:31,300 --> 00:12:33,200 because now, it's an average salary the way it works. 268 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,400 Is one 57th or whatever you earn in a year. 269 00:12:36,900 --> 00:12:40,700 Yeah that goes on to your pension basically. 270 00:12:40,700 --> 00:12:44,500 So every time for example you only 30,000 pounds, I think it's 271 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:47,500 something like over that year, you earned 500 pounds a year for 272 00:12:47,500 --> 00:12:50,100 your pension. And the next year of your own 273 00:12:50,108 --> 00:12:53,100 32,000 pounds, you might earn an extra five hundred fifty pounds 274 00:12:53,100 --> 00:12:55,300 your pension every year. So if you retired, then your 275 00:12:55,300 --> 00:12:59,000 pension would be 1000 whatever that be one thousand and fifty 276 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,900 pounds every year. So you're getting an average is 277 00:13:01,900 --> 00:13:04,500 not final salary anymore, so if you'll get somewhere in the 278 00:13:04,508 --> 00:13:06,700 middle, so there was a lot of backlash. 279 00:13:06,900 --> 00:13:10,900 That but also its kind of this. There's two points I want to 280 00:13:10,900 --> 00:13:14,700 make here number one is just because some things in the job 281 00:13:14,700 --> 00:13:18,100 are good or above average, it doesn't mean that you then just 282 00:13:18,100 --> 00:13:20,900 ignore the bits that are really detrimental to you providing the 283 00:13:20,900 --> 00:13:22,300 care that you need. Especially in something as 284 00:13:22,300 --> 00:13:24,200 important as looking after children. 285 00:13:24,500 --> 00:13:27,400 This the, you know, it's a really important job and we're 286 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,300 not trying to say other jobs are less important or more 287 00:13:29,300 --> 00:13:31,100 important. But if there's a problem with 288 00:13:31,100 --> 00:13:33,400 it, someone pointing at something that's okay, in the 289 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,800 system, doesn't really cut it as an argument. 290 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,200 And the other thing I wanted to to say was and maybe you can 291 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,300 answer this. Hey Adam if the 13 weeks off 292 00:13:40,300 --> 00:13:41,800 each year in the pension so amazing. 293 00:13:42,300 --> 00:13:45,200 Why aren't there more teachers? Yeah, not not. 294 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,100 Even just that is like the teacher rate is dropping and 295 00:13:48,100 --> 00:13:50,900 dropping and dropping struggling to recruit new teachers. 296 00:13:50,900 --> 00:13:54,100 So yeah, if it is so desirable as people like to point out with 297 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:55,700 these amazing weeks. Yeah. 298 00:13:55,700 --> 00:13:57,400 Like where are the teachers then? 299 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,100 Absolutely. I think it was a 40% below. 300 00:14:01,100 --> 00:14:03,500 The target for newly qualified teachers car. 301 00:14:03,500 --> 00:14:06,100 Something along those lines. Yeah that anti know what's 302 00:14:06,100 --> 00:14:08,800 crazy. What's bad about that as well. 303 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,000 If you think about it, the government having a real push to 304 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,800 the minute to say, starting salaries. 305 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,800 They're going up by 10%. You're going to start to 30 306 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,100 grand soon. That was a big 2019, Manifesto 307 00:14:17,100 --> 00:14:19,400 pledge for the Tories. It's not come in yet because 308 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:20,600 they say because of covid etcetera. 309 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,400 But, you know, they're really, really trying to get people 310 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:24,600 through the door and it's not working. 311 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,000 And you need to compound that with how many teachers leave the 312 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,400 profession. Within three or five years. 313 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,300 It's just actually saw someone on Facebook really recently 314 00:14:32,300 --> 00:14:34,600 genuinely just quoting the exact thing they were like I was 315 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,400 promised this salary and it's just not true. 316 00:14:37,500 --> 00:14:40,100 They're really annoyed and probably quit immediately. 317 00:14:40,100 --> 00:14:41,700 I don't know what happened, but it did make me laugh. 318 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,800 Yeah, retention is a big issue one-fifth of teachers. 319 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:50,200 Quit in the first three years, one-third of teachers, quit in 320 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,100 the first five years. Can you just imagine how much 321 00:14:54,100 --> 00:14:57,200 money out of their own pocket? They spent to train to be a 322 00:14:57,208 --> 00:15:00,200 teacher in University 9,000 pound a year. 323 00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:03,100 They do it for less than 5 years and say, nope, not worth it. 324 00:15:03,100 --> 00:15:07,200 They take that debt on and it's such a dire situation that they 325 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,000 don't even bother carrying on with depression. 326 00:15:09,300 --> 00:15:11,900 Yep. It's not too crazy and people 327 00:15:11,900 --> 00:15:14,800 will ignore that point because it doesn't fit their agenda. 328 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,000 So so moving swiftly on to them. Moving swiftly on, I've got a 329 00:15:19,008 --> 00:15:21,000 few more. So let's go for this one. 330 00:15:22,300 --> 00:15:24,600 If you don't like it that much mate, we're back to London by 331 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,400 the way. If this guy has a fair few 332 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,000 arguments, if you don't like it that much power, why don't you 333 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,300 get another job? I actually had this argument 334 00:15:31,300 --> 00:15:34,100 made to me recently, I'm not going to say who, but it was 335 00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:35,600 genuine for someone in my family. 336 00:15:35,900 --> 00:15:39,700 Making this argument to me. I was so enraged and my 337 00:15:39,700 --> 00:15:42,200 response. It was I didn't I tried not to 338 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,300 get too involved my but my response was simply cool. 339 00:15:45,300 --> 00:15:47,900 Well, if we all take that advice, good luck having any 340 00:15:47,900 --> 00:15:50,900 teachers or nurses because it was kind of about like it the 341 00:15:50,900 --> 00:15:55,500 whole public sector. I just what a stupid argument. 342 00:15:56,300 --> 00:15:59,300 Like, I respect the idea that someone might want to go and get 343 00:15:59,300 --> 00:16:02,100 another job and and work up a different ladder and have a 344 00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:04,000 different pay opportunities. That's cool with me. 345 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,800 I love that, but it doesn't work for everyone. 346 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,200 You can't say to every single teacher, just yeah, we'll go get 347 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:11,800 it. Job then then you'll have no 348 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,400 teachers. Will you so don't that's not the 349 00:16:13,408 --> 00:16:17,000 solution to the problem. We need to fix the actual issue 350 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:21,200 with teaching, make it a desirable job, it really reminds 351 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,400 me of this this mean that was going around and it was this 352 00:16:25,100 --> 00:16:28,100 conservative guy in America. I remember his name but he was 353 00:16:28,100 --> 00:16:31,200 giving a speech and there they were talking about rising sea 354 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,100 levels, right? So one of the students said, 355 00:16:34,100 --> 00:16:38,600 look, our Coastal area, are coastal town within x amount of 356 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,200 years, due to, you know, climb, It change which the guy was 357 00:16:41,208 --> 00:16:43,100 trying to refute basically say, oh, it's not a problem, either 358 00:16:43,100 --> 00:16:46,300 to think about it due to climate change, our houses will be under 359 00:16:46,300 --> 00:16:49,000 water water within within 30 years or something. 360 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,900 And the guy just respond saying, yeah, well you know, if that 361 00:16:51,900 --> 00:16:55,100 happens just sell them and in the mean, was someone coming in 362 00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:58,500 saying to who there are underwater? 363 00:16:58,700 --> 00:17:01,800 Like I know exactly what you're talking about. 364 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,900 I live on the internet, I've seen this Meme and I believe he 365 00:17:04,900 --> 00:17:12,500 says to who Aquaman Classic classic example of that. 366 00:17:12,500 --> 00:17:15,300 Just that backwards thinking, there's not a real solution. 367 00:17:15,500 --> 00:17:18,000 It might be on an individual level to like, one or two people 368 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,800 that manage to do that, but it doesn't work. 369 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,700 Yeah, okay, I've got one more, I've got one more because this, 370 00:17:23,700 --> 00:17:26,099 this was interesting to me because there were a few points 371 00:17:26,099 --> 00:17:27,400 I want to make, but I want to see what you say. 372 00:17:28,500 --> 00:17:29,500 We're going to Scotland for this one. 373 00:17:29,500 --> 00:17:33,400 Ready. They earn more than the average 374 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,000 worker. They should be quite content 375 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,200 with that. That's very good. 376 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,100 I didn't listen to a word you said, because I was just 377 00:17:39,500 --> 00:17:41,600 listening to your accent. Could you say again? 378 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,700 But with a more thick accent. Right. 379 00:17:44,700 --> 00:17:45,700 That's good. Because you can understand it 380 00:17:45,708 --> 00:17:47,400 the first place. Yeah, but now I'm going to 381 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:48,500 listen to it. Now, this is just for that, this 382 00:17:48,500 --> 00:17:52,100 just for estimating, they earn more than the average worker. 383 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,700 They earn more than me. And I work hard, they should be 384 00:17:54,700 --> 00:17:57,500 happy. This is actually really tough 385 00:17:57,500 --> 00:17:59,500 one. And I don't get to actually, 386 00:17:59,500 --> 00:18:02,800 don't get too annoyed at this one because I think it's really 387 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,200 easy to just very quickly lose empathy, for other people 388 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,700 because Lee. The reality is, a lot of people 389 00:18:08,700 --> 00:18:11,200 are in dire conditions in this country and they don't even have 390 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,600 unions sometimes to back them up and they're just stuck. 391 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,700 So, I kind of understand why these people might get a bit 392 00:18:18,700 --> 00:18:21,900 better because they see someone in a better position and like 393 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,800 fighting for more. And they can't even fight for 394 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,300 more and they're not getting paid as much like I get it. 395 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,600 I absolutely agree. And this is, this is why I 396 00:18:29,608 --> 00:18:32,500 wanted to bring this one up because I really, really, really 397 00:18:32,500 --> 00:18:36,000 want people to understand that we do have empathy. 398 00:18:36,100 --> 00:18:38,800 Yeah, we do understand that. And honestly, what I would say 399 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,900 to this is we just look at what happened this week during the 400 00:18:41,908 --> 00:18:44,700 strikes, look at how many hundreds of thousands of other 401 00:18:44,700 --> 00:18:47,700 people from other professions. Look at every other job that 402 00:18:47,700 --> 00:18:52,000 have gone on strike lately and even then look at the jobs that 403 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,000 have even worse conditions and worse pay them teachers have. 404 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,600 Now look, I know we have University degrees. 405 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,100 I know we are trained Professionals in certain in this 406 00:19:01,100 --> 00:19:02,800 job, which is a very specific job. 407 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,500 Which is highly skilled, tricky and important. 408 00:19:05,700 --> 00:19:08,900 But the you cannot look down on someone and say their job is any 409 00:19:08,900 --> 00:19:10,500 less important. Look at covid with the key 410 00:19:10,500 --> 00:19:13,300 workers who were the people that kept the country running, right? 411 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,700 Yeah. The teachers, provided some care 412 00:19:15,700 --> 00:19:19,100 for the key workers, but who are the key workers, who did who 413 00:19:19,100 --> 00:19:22,500 picked up all of the, the bins every single week still, when 414 00:19:22,500 --> 00:19:24,300 there are no protector, there's no protection before, any 415 00:19:24,300 --> 00:19:26,200 vaccines or anything. We're not buying food and shops. 416 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,400 Are we without people? You still working there. 417 00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:30,000 You know. I agree. 418 00:19:30,300 --> 00:19:34,300 So are speaking to some people who work in a retail near me 419 00:19:34,500 --> 00:19:35,500 recently. I've got quite a few friends 420 00:19:35,500 --> 00:19:38,700 that work in retail and they're actually saying although they 421 00:19:38,700 --> 00:19:40,900 don't really have that kind of Union support and yeah, they're 422 00:19:40,900 --> 00:19:43,300 not they're not being paid as much in that profession 423 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,300 generally when these strikes happen and when pay does 424 00:19:46,300 --> 00:19:48,700 actually change, it does lift up the private sector as well. 425 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,000 Because obviously, the private sector is very competitive. 426 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,400 So if they have terrible, terrible pay compared to other 427 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:55,800 places people are going to leave. 428 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,100 So pay does generally In these places like it, when teachers 429 00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:02,400 strike, or when the, you know, the union strike from any public 430 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,000 sector. It's not just them that will 431 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,600 benefit from any positive changes. 432 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,400 It does kind of spread out to the other sectors, as well. 433 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,800 And I think that's really important for people to 434 00:20:12,808 --> 00:20:15,400 understand. Yeah, it's not isolationist, 435 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,300 right? It's not just, and what it can 436 00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:19,900 turn into is a race to the bottom, and it could be about us 437 00:20:19,900 --> 00:20:23,000 fighting each other, right? Do you think the Amazon worker 438 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,800 and I we have more in common as teachers to an Amazon worker. 439 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,400 We do as teachers to the, the big cats in the city. 440 00:20:30,500 --> 00:20:33,600 To the ultra-rich, we are much closer to these people. 441 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,000 We are essentially working class were no longer, it's no longer 442 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,000 really a middle-class job. Teachers can't afford a house. 443 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,400 If they've just starting out, you know, you need to have dual 444 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:42,900 income. You need to have support from 445 00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:45,000 parents. It's no longer traditionally 446 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,800 middle class, even we just got a certain education level, a 447 00:20:47,808 --> 00:20:51,100 certain level of qualification, you know. 448 00:20:51,100 --> 00:20:53,400 I'm a bit of a Facebook Warrior, right? 449 00:20:53,500 --> 00:20:55,400 You know, better keyboard Warrior, you know, this, you 450 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,800 know, this is just that To get into heated debates online 451 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,300 because I grew up in that generation. 452 00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:05,300 But anyway, right, I was talking to someone recently, who was 453 00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:07,800 like really cool. They were really supportive of 454 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,500 the teacher strikes and they're kind of reasoning was if we make 455 00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:13,900 the profession more desirable then we will attract. 456 00:21:14,100 --> 00:21:18,000 Skilled people who will uplift the education system, a really 457 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:23,100 good quality argument for why we need better rights anyway in the 458 00:21:23,100 --> 00:21:28,000 same breath this person. Then compare Lately just 459 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,000 slaughtered like the rail strikes and train train drivers 460 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,600 and things like this saying. It is disgusting. 461 00:21:34,900 --> 00:21:37,200 But these people like, almost like, not even calling the 462 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,100 people Were Striking, how dare they, when they make so much 463 00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:45,200 money strike for, you know, rights, all these basic things 464 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,700 called REITs. And I, and, and I think that is 465 00:21:47,700 --> 00:21:49,400 just is exactly what you were saying about. 466 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,500 It's a race to the bottom, like just because they are a bit 467 00:21:51,500 --> 00:21:53,200 more. That is irrelevant. 468 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,400 Now, they're there. Now scum because actually, they 469 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,800 don't earn as a Well, as me, so I'm an Outlaw strike because I 470 00:21:58,808 --> 00:22:01,000 need more. Absolutely. 471 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,500 And you know, that's case in point with the rmt, right? 472 00:22:03,900 --> 00:22:07,100 The majority of people they're striking for are even still the 473 00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:10,000 low, paid workers the cleaners, the people who work at the 474 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,600 station's. The drivers were a part of it 475 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,100 and they're entitled to strike and get an inflationary payroll. 476 00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:17,900 So they want to maintain their lifestyle because that's that. 477 00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:19,900 What pay they get? It's irrelevant. 478 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,300 But you know, that's just classic right wing media, using 479 00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:24,900 that latching onto it. Oh, train drivers on this, they 480 00:22:24,900 --> 00:22:28,100 only reason they're reporting. That is to undermine them and 481 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:29,700 it's the same when they say, teachers aren't on. 482 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,700 Is 42,000 pounds a year, the main pay scale of teaching. 483 00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:36,900 If you're just a classroom teacher goes to 38,000 pounds, 484 00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:40,300 how can you sit there and say the average pay for a teacher is 485 00:22:40,300 --> 00:22:43,300 42,000 pounds. The, you are fudging the numbers 486 00:22:43,300 --> 00:22:44,500 again. I'm sure there's some maths 487 00:22:44,500 --> 00:22:46,900 where you can justify it somehow, but it is not an 488 00:22:46,900 --> 00:22:49,000 accurate representation and they're doing it politically 489 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,600 motivated. Well, as that we've got, got any 490 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,900 more for me, I can take it now. Yeah, that'll do for now. 491 00:22:55,900 --> 00:22:58,100 Well, well, well played. I liked about that was a nice 492 00:22:58,100 --> 00:22:59,700 discussion, there was one other thing. 493 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,200 Want to just chat back quickly and it's something I've noticed, 494 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,100 you know, we're part of Facebook groups for the teachers. 495 00:23:05,700 --> 00:23:08,500 We've got active in them sometimes and we see arguments 496 00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:12,400 and back and forth and then was an element of toxicity and my 497 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,900 say, at some points between those who are striking and knows 498 00:23:16,900 --> 00:23:21,600 who went and just the idea of teacher versus teacher, actually 499 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,100 at each other's throats different ideologies, different 500 00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:27,000 reasons for doing stuff. And I just wanted to get your 501 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,700 take on on that kind of friction and wear. 502 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,700 Where you stand on that. You know, do you as such as a 503 00:23:32,700 --> 00:23:36,400 striker or both strike? Do you feel at all? 504 00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:39,200 That way, towards some people who have chosen not to strike, 505 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:46,200 for example, you know what? It's hard not to and I do I feel 506 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,900 like a bit of a child when I do this because I, you know, I, you 507 00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:53,100 know, we try not to generalize but I do feel maybe a little bit 508 00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:58,300 bitter, perhaps, I just don't understand some reasons but like 509 00:23:58,300 --> 00:24:03,700 I feel like I haven't yet. Heard a really strong reason not 510 00:24:03,700 --> 00:24:05,900 to strike. That can't be kind of quite 511 00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:09,000 quickly and easily like retaliated. 512 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,300 Do you know what I mean? Okay, so you got me a mean and 513 00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:13,200 maybe I can throw a couple at you and just see what you think. 514 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,600 Okay, so really big one at the minute. 515 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,100 It's the literal reason we're striking. 516 00:24:17,100 --> 00:24:19,900 It's called pay up because we want an inflationary pay rice. 517 00:24:19,900 --> 00:24:23,000 Just they can't afford to take the hit on their pay. 518 00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:25,500 Yeah. Like when when I first heard 519 00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:26,600 that I was like yeah that's a really valid point. 520 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,200 Actually it sucks because you know You know the whole point is 521 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,200 yeah, maybe if we had better pay conditions this you wouldn't be 522 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,200 able to take a day. So it's kind of ironic but also 523 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,100 the unions are there to support those people. 524 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,700 They will support you that they've got massive schemes, you 525 00:24:42,700 --> 00:24:44,300 can apply for funding for that day. 526 00:24:44,300 --> 00:24:46,800 If you really need it like you can still support the strikes. 527 00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:49,600 I think from my point of view, I agree. 528 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,400 The big thing for me is I absolutely 100%. 529 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,800 I was always going to strike I, I believe it fully. 530 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:02,200 But what I will say is that I do I actually completely and 531 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,500 utterly respect the individuals choice to strike or not. 532 00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:08,200 And at the end of the day and I'm sure you'll agree deep down, 533 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,800 I know we will it's irrelevant. Whether we agree with their 534 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,100 decision or not it's irrelevant whether we think their reasons 535 00:25:14,100 --> 00:25:16,200 are Justified or not. They have the right to not 536 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,700 strike and they don't have to. But there is a line and I'll 537 00:25:20,700 --> 00:25:22,500 explain this line and I see if it's any different for you. 538 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,900 Someone deciding not to strike. But understands. 539 00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:29,700 All right, equally back, if they don't strike, they're going to 540 00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:32,600 work, they do their job and then they go home, they teach their 541 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,600 class, they go home, they got paid, we're all back in. 542 00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:37,600 We're colleagues. We got on with each other. 543 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,100 Absolutely, no hard feelings. They understand why we did it. 544 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,000 We understand that they have the right to do that to, which is 545 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,800 absolutely fine. The line for me is, if a teacher 546 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:54,100 has chosen not to strike and then maybe is undermining one of 547 00:25:54,100 --> 00:25:57,400 their colleagues, Eggs by going in and covering a class to me, 548 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,000 that's a different line. It's an active Choice. 549 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,000 What do you think? Yeah. 550 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,400 Like there's two layers to it, isn't there? 551 00:26:03,700 --> 00:26:06,100 If you are truly in the position where you could have, just not 552 00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:10,300 done that, then I do, I don't really like that position. 553 00:26:10,300 --> 00:26:14,300 It does make me feel like it is a bit undermining, but I do also 554 00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:16,700 understand that. Like, you and I quite Bowl, she 555 00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:18,900 didn't like we're, you know, we're quite confident generally 556 00:26:18,900 --> 00:26:21,800 when we were in school, maybe just from years of work in the 557 00:26:21,808 --> 00:26:23,600 profession, but a lot of people aren't idea. 558 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,400 Forget that sometimes A lot of people, like, even people are 559 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,400 doing this strike, it was a huge move for them. 560 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,700 And they've probably spent the whole day feeling really nervous 561 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,600 about what their colleagues think, what their, what, their 562 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,200 bosses think, you know? And, and I reckon some people 563 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:37,900 are probably in that same sort of position that aren't 564 00:26:37,900 --> 00:26:39,800 striking. And they just think, I don't 565 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,900 really want to do this. But I also, this is my boss 566 00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:44,100 telling me to go and cover this class, you know? 567 00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:47,600 So I think we just have to kind of understand that side of the 568 00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:50,400 coin as well. Yeah, you're right. 569 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,200 And it, you know, it's about maintaining that balance of your 570 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,100 relationships at work, right? Because even from the point of 571 00:26:56,108 --> 00:26:59,400 view of heads have been directly instructed by the government to 572 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,800 do, everything they can to open school for as many children as 573 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,100 possible. And that's manifested itself, in 574 00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:05,600 lots of different ways across the country. 575 00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:08,700 Some schools had to close some schools, managed to find ways to 576 00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:11,300 open. Even when most of the staff Were 577 00:27:11,308 --> 00:27:17,400 Striking, and as someone who did take part in the strike, I felt 578 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:22,200 that my first reaction was slight annoyance at those 579 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,300 schools who had really gone out of their way above and beyond to 580 00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:28,500 get as many of the children in the school as possible, simply 581 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,400 because it kind of felt like it was undermining the fact that 582 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,300 we're taking a pay cut to take strike action. 583 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,100 Yeah and you know up until recently covering wasn't even a 584 00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:39,100 thing that was accepted when it comes to strikes, that's the 585 00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:41,700 idea of a strike, you're withholding your labor and that 586 00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:43,900 destruction is the reason you're striking. 587 00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:48,300 So, you know, cover is a massive The strike action that kind of 588 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,800 in a way, nullifies it in the first place, whilst still losing 589 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,200 your paper, taking part in strike action, but I just think 590 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,900 the more, the more you think about it. 591 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,700 I obviously want what's best for the children. 592 00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:01,400 I would not be a teacher otherwise. 593 00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:04,000 So if you're telling me that children got to go to school, 594 00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:06,600 see their friends being a safe environment and especially 595 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,100 vulnerable children. I think that subjectively a good 596 00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:11,400 thing and I don't suddenly think that's a bad thing just because 597 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,700 I voted to strike. So there's that two parts in the 598 00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:15,800 head, I think being able to compartmentalize those two 599 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,400 things. Things and understand that both 600 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,900 of them can be valid and the same person hold both of youse. 601 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,900 I think that really helped me to actually just say I'm striking. 602 00:28:22,900 --> 00:28:25,500 I'm doing it for this reason and it didn't really affect me them 603 00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:28,100 and what happened from then on. Yeah, I think so. 604 00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:32,800 I wonder if King, Charles will will ring in, give us that they 605 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,200 back, you know, completely negate it. 606 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,200 How about on? Yeah, on that day. 607 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,000 Yeah, we get the choice to go into school or not. 608 00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:39,900 No. Yeah. 609 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,900 For the children for the children's sake, we're going to 610 00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:45,300 go in now as teachers article on, but obviously that is so we 611 00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:46,000 can't argue. Yeah. 612 00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:49,500 Yeah, absolutely can't miss a single day of school unless I 613 00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:51,800 man's getting a Golden Crown on his head. 614 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,300 So, this might be a little bit challenging Dylan, but I hope 615 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,000 I'm hoping you can rise to this in sort of summary. 616 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,600 What would be your key? Takeaway? 617 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,700 Like, what would be your key point that you'd like the 618 00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:05,500 listeners to sort of consider or think about? 619 00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:08,700 Now about everything? We discussed two strikes, I'll 620 00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:10,800 probably say one or two things in this, but I'll try to be 621 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,100 succinct, and put into a sentence for me. 622 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,800 These strikes are about the longevity of our profession. 623 00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:23,800 And the fact we really care about these kids, we cannot keep 624 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,600 going what's been happening for the last 12 years to our budget 625 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,000 is unreal. And yes, we're asking for a pay 626 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,100 rise and yes, it's a high amount that the unions have gone in 627 00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:35,700 for, but that's supposed to be the start of a negotiation, 628 00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:37,400 which the government just don't seem bothered to do. 629 00:29:37,700 --> 00:29:40,000 They've got their decision to just going with it but from our 630 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,100 point of view, why have we gone on strike? 631 00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:45,100 It is to help the children in the long term. 632 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,600 No one is a teacher for the fun of it. 633 00:29:47,700 --> 00:29:49,800 We were going to carry on working long hours. 634 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,300 We're going to carry on putting our heart and soul into the job 635 00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:56,500 to give the children the best chance possible but it can't 636 00:29:56,500 --> 00:29:59,000 happen unless we are funded properly. 637 00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:01,800 And the biggest part of this strike action for me, the thing 638 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,600 that really really pushed me over the edge was that it's all 639 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:09,000 about it being funded if teachers A pay rise that's in 640 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,100 line with inflation, but it has to come from the school's 641 00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:15,100 existing budget. That is not good enough. 642 00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:17,700 We are not just endlessly greedy looking for 11 more, money 643 00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:21,000 ourselves, no teacher would accept that because provision 644 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,200 for children would go down. It would dip, we need more money 645 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,400 in our schools so that we can deliver quality education care, 646 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,200 and support for every single child and attract. 647 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,300 The best Educators. I think would be the only thing 648 00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:37,200 I'd add to that. That is, you know there is so 649 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:42,100 much More to my pocket and your pocket in a pay rise. 650 00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:45,200 So pay up government. It's not just for me it's for 651 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,900 the kids. It's for the whole educational 652 00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:50,300 Community. It's what needs to be done. 653 00:30:51,300 --> 00:30:54,800 So as far as far as podcast go Hayden, pretty heavy one, would 654 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:55,900 you agree? Yeah. 655 00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:58,600 Big time considering when we were thinking about doing a 656 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,400 podcast we were like, hey let's make a really fun like silly 657 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,300 educational thing. And we were like, yeah, let's 658 00:31:04,300 --> 00:31:07,400 will start with the hardest, hardest hitting topic, ever. 659 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,300 Well, you know why? Because it was in the news and 660 00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:11,500 it's what really matters, passionate didn't. 661 00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:13,000 And we actually wanted to get its message out. 662 00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:15,200 So this is the start of our podcast next week. 663 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,900 We will be back and it might be a little bit more. 664 00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:18,100 Lighthearted. What do you think we should go 665 00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:20,000 for hours? And I talked about the lack of 666 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,300 Prince sticks in my cupboard. Exact. 667 00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:23,300 That's what the people want to hear. 668 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,800 No one was here about strikes. We do, let's talk about the fact 669 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,600 that we have one print stick per 30 children. 670 00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:29,500 Yeah. And we'll blame the government. 671 00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:31,500 No, no, no. We're not going to go there, 672 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,600 we've done it. We've done that Justice today. 673 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,200 All right, that could be a feature of our podcast, you 674 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,100 know, blame the government. I can think of a little jingle. 675 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,600 Blaming the government for another thing. 676 00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:43,400 I'm going to make this into a jingle. 677 00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:46,000 I'm going to take this audio clip guys, you will see this 678 00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:48,400 again. Thank you for listening, see you 679 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:22,300 next time. Exact. 680 00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:23,300 That's what the people want to hear. 681 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,800 No one was here about strikes. We do, let's talk about the fact 682 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,600 that we have one print stick per 30 children. 683 00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:29,500 Yeah. And we'll blame the government. 684 00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:31,500 No, no, no. We're not going to go there, 685 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,600 we've done it. We've done that Justice today. 686 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,200 All right, that could be a feature of our podcast, you 687 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,100 know, blame the government. I can think of a little jingle. 688 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,600 Blaming the government for another thing. 689 00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:43,400 I'm going to make this into a jingle. 690 00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:46,000 I'm going to take this audio clip guys, you will see this 691 00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:48,400 again. Thank you for listening, see you 692 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:48,800 next time.