1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:00:01,550 Hello everyone. Welcome back to another episode 2 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:02,330 of Do You Sleep? Repeat. 3 00:00:02,340 --> 00:00:03,950 My name is. Dylan and my name is Hayden 4 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,240 Hammer back in the room. In the room sitting down this 5 00:00:06,250 --> 00:00:09,570 time in the studio, Yeah. Is it down this time because 6 00:00:09,610 --> 00:00:12,570 he's got a long old day? First thing Dylan did, I was 7 00:00:12,580 --> 00:00:16,630 setting up how you came in, walked in, not hello, allegedly. 8 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:17,940 Nothing. I've made him a drink, left it 9 00:00:17,950 --> 00:00:21,140 there for him. Can we sit down this week? 10 00:00:22,130 --> 00:00:23,810 Let me sound like a six year old builder. 11 00:00:23,820 --> 00:00:26,310 He did. You can sit down and shut up. 12 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,830 I don't wanna stand up. We had some feedback though from 13 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:30,980 last week, didn't we? Yeah, My favourite bit of 14 00:00:30,990 --> 00:00:34,710 feedback was, firstly there was some nice stuff you're like, oh, 15 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:36,390 you know, it's more conversational. 16 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,400 Yeah, having more of a chance, more natural. 17 00:00:38,410 --> 00:00:40,770 We're not like waiting for like the two second zoom today. 18 00:00:40,780 --> 00:00:43,950 Yeah, but my favourite one was how someone told me that you 19 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,770 look so incredibly bored and disinterested when I'm talking 20 00:00:46,900 --> 00:00:49,990 because it's on the screen, there's no cutting out anymore. 21 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,160 I can't get rid of it. I usually I love the idea that 22 00:00:53,170 --> 00:00:54,260 you were doing it there, but like. 23 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,250 I have no idea what you just said. 24 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,480 No idea. Just apparently you just like 25 00:00:59,490 --> 00:01:00,990 like like you just make the cameras off. 26 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:01,670 You know what? Still. 27 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,989 On it's not the first time I've had feedback that my general 28 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,350 thinking and listening failure is so like resting like. 29 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,220 Like, I don't even mean to be rude. 30 00:01:14,230 --> 00:01:17,330 Sometimes. I am just so sometimes I am 31 00:01:17,340 --> 00:01:18,990 zoned down. I am being rude, but you don't 32 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,010 know it. They do know it. 33 00:01:21,100 --> 00:01:24,990 Yeah, the point? Other times, yeah, yeah. 34 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,850 Anyway, so exactly yeah. And by the way, so much better. 35 00:01:28,860 --> 00:01:30,130 I feel like I'm just having a chat. 36 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,430 The mood has changed. I do wonder if the other bit of 37 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:42,290 feedback I got as well was no, no, no, OK no, it was on and 38 00:01:42,300 --> 00:01:45,450 we're probably already take it now was, but we do it normally 39 00:01:45,460 --> 00:01:48,410 in different rooms. Yeah, it's it's a bit more like 40 00:01:48,420 --> 00:01:51,690 proper, like more of a conversation, whereas they said 41 00:01:51,700 --> 00:01:55,390 it's good or bad, but it's definitely way more like we're 42 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,910 just being silly like in. School. 43 00:01:57,970 --> 00:01:59,860 I'm not. I mean, that's probably a thing. 44 00:01:59,870 --> 00:02:03,090 But I'm not sure how much of that is the situation of us 45 00:02:03,100 --> 00:02:05,370 being in here, and how much of that is if you listen to every 46 00:02:05,380 --> 00:02:08,789 single episode, I would say we steadily have become. 47 00:02:09,229 --> 00:02:11,530 Anymore, you're going back and listen to episode one. 48 00:02:11,540 --> 00:02:13,800 Honestly, it's fine. We could Episode one. 49 00:02:13,810 --> 00:02:16,510 Hello Haygen, what do you think about education? 50 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,650 Ohh well Dylan, I'm actually thinking that it wasn't quite a 51 00:02:20,660 --> 00:02:23,710 state right now, isn't it? And now we're like God teaching. 52 00:02:25,370 --> 00:02:28,400 I love it and it's exhausting and we also hate it. 53 00:02:28,830 --> 00:02:30,740 But yeah, that that was the generic feedback. 54 00:02:30,750 --> 00:02:32,860 It just really made me laugh. Was like it was quite positive 55 00:02:33,210 --> 00:02:35,100 but but it just really pinpointed. 56 00:02:35,110 --> 00:02:36,940 Yeah, absolutely. It's. 57 00:02:36,950 --> 00:02:40,110 I just know that face and what made me think of was how we are 58 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,860 effectively shadow banned, right from being in the same year 59 00:02:42,870 --> 00:02:45,160 group in any school we work in. There's not like an official 60 00:02:45,170 --> 00:02:46,680 role. Yeah, but I think it's good for 61 00:02:46,690 --> 00:02:48,380 both of us. I think we both agree because do 62 00:02:48,390 --> 00:02:50,790 you remember those days when we were in the same year group? 63 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,540 Yeah, I remember, because you just throw stuff. 64 00:02:52,550 --> 00:02:54,980 I think that's what I remember being in the same year group 65 00:02:54,990 --> 00:02:56,350 that I don't know about anyone else. 66 00:02:56,420 --> 00:03:00,040 But when I look at this I just, I just think of target paint 67 00:03:00,050 --> 00:03:01,640 one. It wasn't hard, so it was like a 68 00:03:01,650 --> 00:03:04,420 soft like dodgeball. One of the kids got me to turn 69 00:03:04,430 --> 00:03:09,300 round yesterday and honestly I'm not joking, just said see, he's 70 00:03:09,310 --> 00:03:13,760 got hair at the back, that's what I did. 71 00:03:14,110 --> 00:03:16,760 And obviously, like a mug I just went what turned round. 72 00:03:16,770 --> 00:03:18,400 And because they would be like they're nice glass. 73 00:03:18,410 --> 00:03:19,820 I'm not gonna lie, We haven't. Yeah, really. 74 00:03:19,830 --> 00:03:23,720 Answer baby bouncer. And yeah, I was just like, but 75 00:03:23,730 --> 00:03:27,050 to me, what I love about that is it kind of insinuates that 76 00:03:27,270 --> 00:03:28,800 they're just having a conversation. 77 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,640 Should have been doing the work they're doing your hair minute 78 00:03:32,710 --> 00:03:37,480 like you're the teacher, Jesse. I'm like no regard for you 79 00:03:37,490 --> 00:03:39,530 whatsoever. One of them's like one a little 80 00:03:39,540 --> 00:03:40,970 bit of money. They had a bet on it. 81 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,370 Yeah, ohh damn it. That's my lunch. 82 00:03:44,380 --> 00:03:50,710 Does have hair in the back. Someone got their gammon anyway, 83 00:03:51,020 --> 00:03:53,090 that was the feedback from last night was pretty cool. 84 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,550 I I actually. In the end I went up and down 85 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,950 like a roller coaster on mine. Boyment of being face to face. 86 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,770 I think I prefer it. And it feels more like we're 87 00:04:00,780 --> 00:04:03,310 just having a chat and it feels like, well, those year four days 88 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,320 where where we come round and we're in the same school, yeah, 89 00:04:06,330 --> 00:04:09,920 And in the same year group. And we would just spend 2 hours 90 00:04:09,930 --> 00:04:12,780 talking and then be moaned about being stressed, whereas now we 91 00:04:12,790 --> 00:04:15,340 spend 0 hours talking and still learning about being stressed. 92 00:04:15,380 --> 00:04:17,540 So that's how far teachers come, yeah? 93 00:04:17,589 --> 00:04:23,350 Teachers got way better anyway. Yep. age-old question. 94 00:04:23,420 --> 00:04:24,460 What's the catch up on this week? 95 00:04:24,470 --> 00:04:25,930 Because I already know what you're gonna say. 96 00:04:25,980 --> 00:04:27,830 I already know what you gonna talk about because it's been my 97 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:29,050 own week. How was your week? 98 00:04:29,060 --> 00:04:30,580 True. Fantastic. 99 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,530 Just like your week, there's been stress free. 100 00:04:33,630 --> 00:04:37,910 Umm, your face. We'll get to my week. 101 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,540 It's been good. I think we're gonna talk 102 00:04:40,550 --> 00:04:42,850 obviously about behaviour and stuff later, but just a little 103 00:04:42,860 --> 00:04:45,690 things. My class are just lovely and you 104 00:04:45,700 --> 00:04:48,350 taught these this cohort before as we said last week, so I'm 105 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,530 just, I'm just in the way they're lovely. 106 00:04:51,780 --> 00:04:54,940 Send it somewhere, I don't know where or when We'll talk about 107 00:04:54,950 --> 00:04:57,710 that. Later Yeah, yeah, OK. 108 00:04:58,020 --> 00:05:00,870 But yeah, the the main point is the school band. 109 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,070 So we just talking about our banter. 110 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,170 We're shadow banned from being in the same year group. 111 00:05:05,180 --> 00:05:08,230 Definitely true. Can see why, because when we're 112 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,500 not causing complete chaos this, these last two weeks, I feel 113 00:05:12,510 --> 00:05:14,930 like I should start with my story of the lunch hall and we 114 00:05:14,940 --> 00:05:15,820 go from there. OK. 115 00:05:15,830 --> 00:05:19,450 That was the most because we'll bring in the customers like I 116 00:05:19,460 --> 00:05:21,900 was brought in customers back to calling you back. 117 00:05:21,990 --> 00:05:23,450 Yeah. Someone messages the other day 118 00:05:23,460 --> 00:05:24,780 in reference themselves a customer. 119 00:05:24,790 --> 00:05:25,990 Ohh, brilliant. Yeah. 120 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,490 So I'm gonna bring the viewers on a journey with me because. 121 00:05:28,500 --> 00:05:29,870 I am the listeners. Dylan as well. 122 00:05:29,940 --> 00:05:33,590 Yeah, sorry, you're right. But it's stressful week, 123 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,840 alright. Anyway, I walk into the lunch 124 00:05:35,850 --> 00:05:38,960 hall to have lunch with the children and it's kind of moved. 125 00:05:38,970 --> 00:05:41,450 Around like timings and stuff. Why do you do that by the way? 126 00:05:41,460 --> 00:05:43,740 I never actually asked what like we all have lunch in the staff 127 00:05:43,750 --> 00:05:45,330 room. Why do you eat all Well, I get a 128 00:05:45,340 --> 00:05:46,680 school dinner. I just a free one. 129 00:05:46,690 --> 00:05:48,920 It's free. Ohh if you eat with the kids. 130 00:05:48,930 --> 00:05:50,660 It's not why I get it. I can afford a lunch. 131 00:05:51,770 --> 00:05:56,000 But I, you know, remember I said in the podcast, I'm not sure. 132 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,510 You know, he said every week about how you should have your 133 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,140 lunch prepared so you're not stressed at lunchtime. 134 00:06:02,150 --> 00:06:02,850 Yeah. Didn't do it. 135 00:06:02,860 --> 00:06:04,890 Yeah. So one way to get around that is 136 00:06:04,900 --> 00:06:07,040 you get free lunch, just jump the queue, go in, get free lunch 137 00:06:07,050 --> 00:06:09,360 10 minutes, eat it, and then. Go I didn't do any of those tips 138 00:06:09,370 --> 00:06:11,270 that I gave. You don't. 139 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:13,420 So we have a fraud actually. If you want to go, if you want 140 00:06:13,430 --> 00:06:15,610 to see how much of forces we are, then yeah, go back and 141 00:06:15,620 --> 00:06:17,380 listen to that episode where we give you advice that we don't 142 00:06:17,390 --> 00:06:20,420 follow. Anyway, prepared lunch slash 143 00:06:20,430 --> 00:06:23,170 code is guaranteed for every dinner and just sat with the 144 00:06:23,180 --> 00:06:25,430 kids. One, because I think you get it 145 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,370 for free if you with the kids. But two also, it's just nice. 146 00:06:28,380 --> 00:06:30,330 Yeah, like it's. Just and I love you, this 147 00:06:30,340 --> 00:06:31,930 cohort. Honestly, honestly. 148 00:06:31,940 --> 00:06:33,030 Idolise him. I don't. 149 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,290 I don't mean to. Like, I'm not trying to sound. 150 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:36,850 I'm gonna sound like I'm being arrogant. 151 00:06:36,860 --> 00:06:38,740 Yeah, I wish you are. I am incredibly arrogant. 152 00:06:38,780 --> 00:06:41,710 But honestly, walk into that hall with the with the fives and 153 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,730 sixes who are taught in the last couple of years and I can't go 154 00:06:44,740 --> 00:06:47,690 past the table without a kid wanted to talk to me, but I I 155 00:06:47,700 --> 00:06:48,450 love it. It's nice. 156 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:53,030 Anyway, So I sat down chatting to him and I sat down and this 157 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,710 is what happened though. They're coming up to me and I'm 158 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,680 like, no, what? They're like, no, no, they're 159 00:06:56,690 --> 00:06:59,090 coming up to me to say just to Stevens. 160 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,290 Mr Steve Mr Steve and like what? Why has he done? 161 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,070 And they're like and and then there's one guy I told the 162 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,750 deputy head. Literally said to him, I'm. 163 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,890 I'm just. I just want to let you know that 164 00:07:12,180 --> 00:07:15,480 Mister Stevens just finds any opportunity to mention Mr. Price 165 00:07:15,490 --> 00:07:17,030 in the lessons. And I just. 166 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:18,520 I'm just, you know I'm just wanna let you know. 167 00:07:18,530 --> 00:07:20,350 I just wanna tell you so only the kids come up to me. 168 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,290 You wanna talk to Mr Stephen? You've been talking about you. 169 00:07:22,300 --> 00:07:24,640 He's been talking about you. Turns out I'm the hook for any 170 00:07:24,650 --> 00:07:25,990 kind of creative writing that happens. 171 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,730 In that you're pretty much so I obviously go and find Hayden and 172 00:07:28,740 --> 00:07:31,920 Hayden, please, please allude to the elicitors as to what's been 173 00:07:31,930 --> 00:07:32,940 happening in this. Last. 174 00:07:32,950 --> 00:07:34,950 Well, not much. Just like basically any. 175 00:07:35,150 --> 00:07:37,290 The English lesson, particularly, and maths 176 00:07:37,300 --> 00:07:40,550 actually. Any lesson lesson where there's 177 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:45,170 anything I can model or I'm just noticing that they're starting 178 00:07:45,180 --> 00:07:46,940 to build up a bit like remember 20 minutes into our 179 00:07:46,950 --> 00:07:49,230 prepositions. That's boring and I'm just like, 180 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:50,930 I just want to. I just want to spice it up for 181 00:07:50,940 --> 00:07:52,680 five seconds to try and get their attention. 182 00:07:52,940 --> 00:07:55,110 Of course it's it's at the detriment of this guy. 183 00:07:55,340 --> 00:08:00,910 And today, for example, we were writing sentences with colon to 184 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,870 introduce a list. And of course I gave them a 185 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:08,170 prompt which was. Something like I just saw Mr. 186 00:08:08,180 --> 00:08:09,910 Price and was terrified or something like that. 187 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,430 Something about him, and they had to come up with the reasons 188 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,960 why. I believe this list like that's 189 00:08:14,970 --> 00:08:17,470 the thing. It's jokes aside, it is. 190 00:08:18,730 --> 00:08:20,710 Like great and engaging for them. 191 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,030 Like they do write some good stuff and then I'm like, ohh, 192 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:24,720 you can't. They wanna be funny that you 193 00:08:24,730 --> 00:08:26,280 want to be funny. I'm like, you know you can't 194 00:08:26,290 --> 00:08:29,420 read it out if it's not right. Let's be punctuated correctly. 195 00:08:29,430 --> 00:08:31,510 It's spelled correctly. You've used in conjunction. 196 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,429 That doesn't make sense. Which makes sense. 197 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,200 I want to read this out. Make it a laugh about how much 198 00:08:36,210 --> 00:08:39,390 the price is. Is Shrek, You know, Yeah, it was 199 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:40,000 an ogre. That. 200 00:08:40,010 --> 00:08:41,980 That was a theme, Yeah. And we called you an ogre. 201 00:08:41,990 --> 00:08:43,030 You. Well, today you were you were 202 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:44,530 wearing a mum's bikini. Yeah, apparently. 203 00:08:44,540 --> 00:08:46,600 OK, and which the kids obviously been hilarious? 204 00:08:46,610 --> 00:08:47,370 Brilliant. Yeah. 205 00:08:47,410 --> 00:08:48,870 But did they do some good writing? 206 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,290 They did some good writing. That's really good. 207 00:08:50,300 --> 00:08:52,550 I was really impressed and I heard about this, I heard about 208 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:56,160 this story and I thought, alright, OK, no problem. 209 00:08:56,210 --> 00:08:58,120 Knowing that these kids can very quickly turn. 210 00:08:58,190 --> 00:09:00,220 I've got a lot of credit with these kids. 211 00:09:00,410 --> 00:09:03,500 So yeah, so I made I'm going to post on Instagram. 212 00:09:03,610 --> 00:09:06,620 I went away and basically I sat at lunch time and plotted with 213 00:09:06,630 --> 00:09:08,030 these children. They were telling me and I was 214 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,200 like, how can we get him? How can we get back? 215 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:12,300 Could you just get it? I was like, OK, you know, I'm 216 00:09:12,310 --> 00:09:15,450 going to do, I'm going to make you, I'm gonna make a few of 217 00:09:15,460 --> 00:09:17,490 your bookmark right, You know? Like what? 218 00:09:17,500 --> 00:09:18,490 Did you tell them you were gonna? 219 00:09:18,500 --> 00:09:20,660 Yeah, I'm gonna make a bookmark, OK. 220 00:09:20,700 --> 00:09:22,810 And I'm gonna put Mr Stevens face. 221 00:09:22,820 --> 00:09:24,070 On it. It's gonna be a funny face. 222 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:25,560 They'll know. And they're like, yeah, yeah, 223 00:09:25,570 --> 00:09:26,950 yeah, you should do that. You should do that. 224 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,560 So today I made four bookmarks. Postman Instagram at Street with 225 00:09:30,570 --> 00:09:35,510 Peapod. Cost on Instagram you want to go 226 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,730 and see what the bookmarks look like, but it's just like a card 227 00:09:37,740 --> 00:09:39,210 for you, like making a silly face. 228 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,670 And it's a YouTube video, yeah, YouTube video at the bottom. 229 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:44,190 It just said when you read your cliffhanger in your favourite 230 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,860 book and you're like and I made sure to put your face at the 231 00:09:47,870 --> 00:09:50,160 top, so just hang up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 232 00:09:50,170 --> 00:09:52,760 So to give them to these four children, they went back 233 00:09:52,770 --> 00:09:54,500 apparently to year six. And I said hide them. 234 00:09:54,510 --> 00:09:56,330 Just put them in your book and I'll see them at some point. 235 00:09:56,340 --> 00:09:57,780 And apparently they all did it. Yeah, they did. 236 00:09:57,790 --> 00:10:00,120 So they were in my class at that time. 237 00:10:00,130 --> 00:10:02,260 So we do it like a carousel afternoon every now and then. 238 00:10:02,270 --> 00:10:05,370 So I had all the whole year group this afternoon and I 239 00:10:05,380 --> 00:10:07,140 happened to have those four children at that time. 240 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,960 First let's first session and yeah, they came back in. 241 00:10:09,970 --> 00:10:13,100 And I do love moments like this, like these are really special to 242 00:10:13,110 --> 00:10:16,870 me, seeing kids come back in pure like. 243 00:10:16,970 --> 00:10:19,770 Pure joy. Exactly like the like they will 244 00:10:19,780 --> 00:10:21,760 remember that they'll laugh about it for weeks. 245 00:10:21,770 --> 00:10:25,590 Yeah, like, absolutely. Like one girl came in and she 246 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,570 was like bright red and trying so hard not to laugh and like 247 00:10:29,580 --> 00:10:34,530 wet herself laughing and and and I was also aware that I wasn't a 248 00:10:34,540 --> 00:10:36,560 lesson as well. So I was like, I knew that he'd 249 00:10:36,570 --> 00:10:38,930 done something funny. So I thought, right, I'm going 250 00:10:38,940 --> 00:10:40,730 to let them do their thing. But right now because I actually 251 00:10:40,740 --> 00:10:42,110 am teaching. So I was like, come sit down. 252 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:43,760 And I knew that that fit with their theme. 253 00:10:43,770 --> 00:10:46,010 They're all hiding something anyway, So I just pretended. 254 00:10:46,020 --> 00:10:47,160 But come on, sit back down. Get on with it. 255 00:10:47,870 --> 00:10:51,400 And then, yeah, maybe like 1015 minutes later, I'd actually kind 256 00:10:51,410 --> 00:10:52,520 of forgotten. I'm not gonna lie. 257 00:10:52,530 --> 00:10:55,400 I would just got into the lesson and I was like, walking around 258 00:10:55,410 --> 00:10:58,140 the tables and there's one boy who's really funny. 259 00:10:58,250 --> 00:11:00,300 I really like this guy. He's so funny. 260 00:11:00,590 --> 00:11:04,500 Just just had this bookmark just like just perfectly poking out 261 00:11:04,510 --> 00:11:05,940 where she just put there because, you know, was going 262 00:11:05,950 --> 00:11:07,240 around and he was like, pretending to do it. 263 00:11:07,250 --> 00:11:10,140 Like. Yeah, just sort of moved this 264 00:11:10,150 --> 00:11:12,620 bit like this as I'm walking past it just moved this book 265 00:11:12,630 --> 00:11:15,960 with his hand and I saw the thing poking out and I was like, 266 00:11:15,970 --> 00:11:19,740 what is this now? Well I really like just went 267 00:11:19,750 --> 00:11:23,900 mental, you know? Ohh, it was fun, but right, this 268 00:11:23,910 --> 00:11:26,320 is what they don't like. You don't teach it in in 269 00:11:26,330 --> 00:11:30,190 university and stuff, right? It is those moments like right 270 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,480 now, I'm not gonna lie, I've been incredibly stressed and 271 00:11:32,490 --> 00:11:34,000 we'll talk about. I have just been so stressed 272 00:11:34,010 --> 00:11:36,220 this week. Yeah, but that like little 273 00:11:36,230 --> 00:11:40,010 snippet there is genuinely making heart full of like 274 00:11:40,020 --> 00:11:42,130 laughter, enjoyment. Like it's just is genuinely so 275 00:11:42,140 --> 00:11:43,560 funny. And the the thought of those 276 00:11:43,570 --> 00:11:47,080 kids like what is actually like maybe this is controversial, 277 00:11:47,090 --> 00:11:50,910 right? But the I think those kids today 278 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,130 got more out of that than anything else they did all day. 279 00:11:54,010 --> 00:11:55,860 But for them personally, yeah, I mean, that's me. 280 00:11:55,870 --> 00:11:57,080 OK. Yeah, sure. 281 00:11:57,090 --> 00:11:58,640 They learn how to order numbers up to six. 282 00:11:58,650 --> 00:12:01,600 Digits, But they don't care. Yeah, sure, they learn, you 283 00:12:01,610 --> 00:12:04,360 know, the the, the, the wives of Henry the Eighth, whatever it is 284 00:12:04,370 --> 00:12:05,500 they were doing. Yeah. 285 00:12:05,630 --> 00:12:08,950 But realistically that that moment of like those connections 286 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:13,320 in your head of laughter and joy and enjoying themselves but long 287 00:12:13,330 --> 00:12:15,900 term was to have an effect on their bond. 288 00:12:15,910 --> 00:12:19,460 And and I know it's a joke for you, but it's still they only 289 00:12:19,470 --> 00:12:20,700 find it funny because they respect. 290 00:12:20,710 --> 00:12:21,280 You. Yeah. 291 00:12:21,290 --> 00:12:22,160 Yeah. Love you. 292 00:12:22,170 --> 00:12:24,000 It was. It was at the. 293 00:12:24,130 --> 00:12:27,370 Was at the cost of maybe 60 seconds, umm, of a less than 294 00:12:27,380 --> 00:12:28,730 genuine. And that's realistically like 295 00:12:28,740 --> 00:12:30,950 all it actually took up. Because after about 60 seconds 296 00:12:31,060 --> 00:12:33,570 we thought we we'd had our laugh and then we did just get back to 297 00:12:33,580 --> 00:12:36,670 what we were doing, right? And I would say that 60 seconds 298 00:12:36,680 --> 00:12:38,980 was worth it, absolutely worth it. 299 00:12:38,990 --> 00:12:42,730 It's like 60 seconds more of learning maybe, But I think that 300 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,850 had a bigger impact overall because I think teaching, I 301 00:12:45,860 --> 00:12:49,270 always have thought this is just a big psychological game. 302 00:12:49,590 --> 00:12:51,720 And I know I've said this before, I'm just repeating 303 00:12:51,730 --> 00:12:54,790 myself, but I think our job is to get. 304 00:12:54,860 --> 00:12:58,820 Children to enjoy learning and if we have to forge situations 305 00:12:58,890 --> 00:13:01,600 where they attribute their time in a classroom, learning with. 306 00:13:01,670 --> 00:13:03,010 I like that. It was fun. 307 00:13:03,020 --> 00:13:05,820 Yeah, genuinely. I think making those links yeah, 308 00:13:05,830 --> 00:13:09,120 long term is going to serve those people better. 309 00:13:09,130 --> 00:13:11,550 It's like, OK, do you remember learning as a fun experience or 310 00:13:11,630 --> 00:13:15,030 are you like half of the UK culture that absolutely. 311 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,440 Just to test score and then tells our children how much they 312 00:13:17,450 --> 00:13:19,210 hate school and they're just true. 313 00:13:19,220 --> 00:13:21,010 That's that's a cultural thing, you know. 314 00:13:21,540 --> 00:13:23,300 Yeah. I think it's important that we 315 00:13:23,510 --> 00:13:26,300 just don't take ourselves too. Seriously, sometimes. 316 00:13:26,310 --> 00:13:30,880 And actually just do something fun for the very sake of it 317 00:13:30,890 --> 00:13:33,460 being fun for the kids so they have a funny memory to go home 318 00:13:33,470 --> 00:13:34,810 with. Yeah, and that's fine. 319 00:13:34,850 --> 00:13:38,850 You're convincing me more and more because, look, don't get me 320 00:13:38,860 --> 00:13:40,270 wrong, this, this. I always feel like I'm a 321 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,150 hypocrite when I say this. Because we always talk about how 322 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,510 having fun with the children is like the number one stepping 323 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,860 stone for me for so much stuff. Whether that's behaviour, 324 00:13:48,870 --> 00:13:52,210 whether that's respect, whether that's life lessons on how to 325 00:13:52,220 --> 00:13:54,240 get on with someone and where the line is and how to joke with 326 00:13:54,250 --> 00:13:57,370 them and being a person who's likeable as they grow up. 327 00:13:57,380 --> 00:14:00,350 Yeah, And also the fact that it leads them to be learning more 328 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,120 because they want to be in the classroom with you and they hang 329 00:14:02,130 --> 00:14:03,210 off you and stuff like that, right? 330 00:14:03,250 --> 00:14:05,690 So, like, that is absolutely my mantra. 331 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,070 But I still somehow I'm kind of trapped in that idea. 332 00:14:09,150 --> 00:14:10,940 Yeah. But, you know, the the idea of 333 00:14:10,950 --> 00:14:12,180 learning this thing is sacrosanct. 334 00:14:12,190 --> 00:14:14,760 And yeah, we have to always have the end goal of learning this 335 00:14:14,770 --> 00:14:16,720 thing. It's obviously just not true. 336 00:14:16,730 --> 00:14:20,340 I think it's because it's our job to teach them stuff. 337 00:14:20,470 --> 00:14:23,200 But some kids don't get that wholesome experience outside of 338 00:14:23,210 --> 00:14:23,820 school. Yeah. 339 00:14:23,830 --> 00:14:25,960 And you're giving it to them. And it's not saying that they 340 00:14:25,970 --> 00:14:28,520 all don't because obviously they have fantastic lives. 341 00:14:28,650 --> 00:14:30,790 But no matter what your situation is going to be 342 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,840 children in your cohort who don't experience that. 343 00:14:33,910 --> 00:14:37,200 Hmm. And they, that is everything to 344 00:14:37,210 --> 00:14:39,120 them. And like, we can give them that 345 00:14:39,370 --> 00:14:40,580 it's. It's a powerful thing. 346 00:14:40,590 --> 00:14:41,370 Yeah. And it's. 347 00:14:41,380 --> 00:14:43,700 Good. I I think you went for a bit of 348 00:14:43,710 --> 00:14:45,740 a phase and I don't mean to trivialise you as if I know you 349 00:14:45,750 --> 00:14:48,420 better than, but just as someone who knows you very well and we 350 00:14:48,430 --> 00:14:51,990 talk a lot about like our views on everything with school, I do 351 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,970 feel like you went through. If I think about the end of this 352 00:14:54,980 --> 00:14:57,390 phase, or if that's just the way you think now, but where like 353 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,880 last year like you were, you were really, really really, like 354 00:14:59,890 --> 00:15:02,450 vocal about that opinion you were just saying before of like, 355 00:15:02,500 --> 00:15:04,290 yeah, but every minute is learning time. 356 00:15:04,300 --> 00:15:06,390 And actually that is that is the only unimportant goal. 357 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,240 And you and I remember, I actually remember being a bit 358 00:15:08,250 --> 00:15:09,510 like, Oh my God, like literally think. 359 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,870 Honestly, genuinely yelling at you a little bit in my head, 360 00:15:11,980 --> 00:15:13,870 thinking I don't think I agree with you, really. 361 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,910 I think that's a side effect. I think that's like a symptom. 362 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,870 I think it's a symptom of the wider structure of teaching 363 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:27,860 where you you've gotta put it in context here of every hour of 364 00:15:27,870 --> 00:15:30,660 training we get or have got, whether it's personally or in 365 00:15:30,670 --> 00:15:34,340 general, every single thing we have been told from the top down 366 00:15:34,350 --> 00:15:38,560 is from that perspective. It's never Are we ever given 367 00:15:38,570 --> 00:15:42,480 training truthfully on the feelings of the children? 368 00:15:43,430 --> 00:15:46,030 Not that I remember really. We had, we had a bit of a mental 369 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,560 health chat once but are we ever really like every single thing 370 00:15:49,570 --> 00:15:53,160 we're told to do and that instructs our job is from the 371 00:15:53,170 --> 00:15:55,390 idea of they have to be able to learn this, go and show they've 372 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,570 learned this skill and retrieved this fact and do this and do 373 00:15:57,580 --> 00:16:00,640 that and do this. And do the importance and if if 374 00:16:00,650 --> 00:16:03,560 you also marry that with the attitude of OK, well this is a 375 00:16:03,570 --> 00:16:06,580 job we we have been striking and I think this is it came it came 376 00:16:06,590 --> 00:16:07,840 in tandem with the strikes right. 377 00:16:07,910 --> 00:16:11,740 Because my my idea with them was OK I'm I'm putting less time 378 00:16:11,750 --> 00:16:14,720 into this job then because otherwise it's just completely 379 00:16:14,730 --> 00:16:17,420 unsustainable. So my goal had to be really, you 380 00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:19,540 know, simplified. And it was they need to learn as 381 00:16:19,550 --> 00:16:21,440 much as possible. And I think that's how I coped 382 00:16:21,450 --> 00:16:24,180 with trying to manage the fact that we're striking, not going 383 00:16:24,190 --> 00:16:27,590 over and above and doing 10 hours extra every single week to 384 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:28,570 get everything done. Yeah. 385 00:16:28,580 --> 00:16:30,010 So I was like, cool, How can I distil this then? 386 00:16:30,020 --> 00:16:32,490 OK, it's my job to come in and make sure they learn this and 387 00:16:32,500 --> 00:16:34,330 learn that. And whilst I'm doing that, I'm 388 00:16:34,340 --> 00:16:35,810 going to try and build those relationships. 389 00:16:36,830 --> 00:16:39,190 But the end goal was always to make them learn things. 390 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,810 I still think the end goal is to make them learn things. 391 00:16:41,860 --> 00:16:44,710 I just think that maybe I need to vocalise more, actually. 392 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,650 What I mean is that those relationships are just so 393 00:16:47,660 --> 00:16:49,730 important. And I think maybe at the start 394 00:16:49,740 --> 00:16:52,110 of the school year is when that's more obvious because I 395 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,250 spend so much time at the start of the year forging those 396 00:16:54,260 --> 00:16:56,550 relationships and trying to make them laugh and enjoy being at 397 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,140 school and just showing them that I care about them. 398 00:16:59,210 --> 00:17:00,840 Yeah. Is more important right now than 399 00:17:00,850 --> 00:17:03,020 whether or not they know how to add 10. 400 00:17:03,090 --> 00:17:04,300 Yeah. And it sounds absolutely 401 00:17:04,310 --> 00:17:05,770 ridiculous to some people. Maybe. 402 00:17:05,780 --> 00:17:07,440 But others will hear that and go, obviously. 403 00:17:07,490 --> 00:17:08,710 Yeah. And I think if you're a teacher, 404 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,140 you can get trapped in that idea of objectives, objectives, 405 00:17:11,150 --> 00:17:15,290 objectives, objectives right now, you asked me, what if I had 406 00:17:15,300 --> 00:17:18,670 one thing from each kid that I want them to have learned in 407 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,220 these first three weeks or feel in these first three weeks, is 408 00:17:22,230 --> 00:17:24,180 that they're safe in school and they enjoy being with me. 409 00:17:24,260 --> 00:17:25,930 Yep. Yeah, I fully agree. 410 00:17:25,940 --> 00:17:27,609 I don't disagree with you whatsoever. 411 00:17:27,619 --> 00:17:30,550 That's number one to me, always will be, always has been, 412 00:17:31,020 --> 00:17:32,650 regardless of anything that else. 413 00:17:32,660 --> 00:17:34,190 Everyone says. I'm just sort of like, yeah, OK, 414 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,650 that's your opinion. Because I know what has worked 415 00:17:36,660 --> 00:17:39,930 for me and it is the children I've, I've had that relationship 416 00:17:39,940 --> 00:17:42,110 with have always done the best. They just have, absolutely. 417 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:44,850 And I think it pays dividends, doesn't it now like now when 418 00:17:44,860 --> 00:17:47,560 they're in year six and but you can use that hook for me to get. 419 00:17:47,570 --> 00:17:48,950 Better, Yeah, I know. That's why I do it. 420 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,580 I'm not doing it. I was saying to someone in the 421 00:17:50,590 --> 00:17:52,540 in the staff. I was like, I wouldn't do it 422 00:17:52,550 --> 00:17:56,080 about another member of staff. Because it's a different, it's a 423 00:17:56,090 --> 00:18:00,290 different relationship then like they know securely that mean you 424 00:18:00,300 --> 00:18:02,110 have that banter, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 425 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:04,510 So they understand like properly the relationship, you know, the 426 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,460 children, they're clever enough. I think a lot of people might be 427 00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:08,970 listening to this worried like or does it set a precedent? 428 00:18:09,020 --> 00:18:11,650 No, no it doesn't. That's what I mean, because 429 00:18:11,660 --> 00:18:15,010 these kids do not do this for anyone else, because what we've 430 00:18:15,020 --> 00:18:18,850 explicitly taught them along the way is that behaving like this 431 00:18:18,910 --> 00:18:21,460 is acceptable in certain circumstances. 432 00:18:21,470 --> 00:18:24,740 It's a very mature way of thinking and acting. 433 00:18:24,830 --> 00:18:27,430 Really hot on that as well. Like for, for example, literally 434 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,810 today. Like just just made that point. 435 00:18:30,860 --> 00:18:31,970 Like what? One kid. 436 00:18:32,770 --> 00:18:35,310 Just took it too far that there's I make it very clear 437 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,920 that there is a line like we can have fun and these are the 438 00:18:37,930 --> 00:18:39,780 boundaries in which we and they're learning those lines. 439 00:18:39,790 --> 00:18:40,780 So it's a learning. Exactly. 440 00:18:40,790 --> 00:18:42,800 And that's fine. And then, and then someone was 441 00:18:42,810 --> 00:18:43,850 just being a little bit too silly. 442 00:18:43,890 --> 00:18:46,200 I was like, oh, OK, actually, you need to stop because I tell 443 00:18:46,210 --> 00:18:48,310 you what you're doing. You're starting to take the Mick 444 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,550 out of me and the fact that we've had a little bit of fun 445 00:18:51,610 --> 00:18:52,950 and now you're just taking advantage of it. 446 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,920 So we're all going to stop you going too far, right. 447 00:18:55,930 --> 00:18:57,140 Learners boundaries and we'll have fun. 448 00:18:57,150 --> 00:19:00,160 If not, we're just, you know, and they were just like, because 449 00:19:00,170 --> 00:19:01,570 I've got a little bit of respect from them. 450 00:19:01,580 --> 00:19:03,710 They were actually like, oh God. I don't wanna do that. 451 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,860 Yeah, of course. It was nice, but it wasn't like 452 00:19:05,870 --> 00:19:08,800 a harsh crying or upset. They were just sort of like, OK, 453 00:19:08,910 --> 00:19:11,450 I'll get that now, yeah, and then, you know, tomorrow we can 454 00:19:11,460 --> 00:19:13,240 build on that. But I tell you what has come 455 00:19:13,250 --> 00:19:16,500 back, what has come back to me and you, cousins. 456 00:19:18,170 --> 00:19:21,120 Again, if you've not listened to one of our older episodes, we've 457 00:19:21,130 --> 00:19:23,330 had a very, very long ongoing joke. 458 00:19:23,340 --> 00:19:25,780 Ohh, yes. In which in which we're brothers 459 00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:29,400 and we tell the children that we're brothers and then most of 460 00:19:29,410 --> 00:19:31,840 them obviously don't believe it. And then we go, Ohh, we're just 461 00:19:31,850 --> 00:19:34,220 cousins really, but they always believe that because someone 462 00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:36,180 step down. Only joking. 463 00:19:36,190 --> 00:19:37,340 That was the lie. Here's the truth. 464 00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:39,160 Really mean just a manipulating that there. 465 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,170 OK, but the kids, they were like. 466 00:19:46,450 --> 00:19:49,200 Are you are you cousins? Because I'd always heard it from 467 00:19:49,210 --> 00:19:51,040 you years ago. They're, aren't you? 468 00:19:51,130 --> 00:19:51,960 Aren't you? Cousins? 469 00:19:51,970 --> 00:19:53,610 I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, They're trying to do something. 470 00:19:53,620 --> 00:19:54,860 I took it really serious. I was trying to. 471 00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:59,460 I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at them thinking they don't 472 00:19:59,470 --> 00:20:01,740 believe me, do they? They don't believe me. 473 00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:03,410 No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. 474 00:20:03,420 --> 00:20:05,980 And then I told one of them who didn't believe me, who do you 475 00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:08,060 very well. Was like, no, you're not. 476 00:20:08,110 --> 00:20:10,270 I was like, yeah, I know. But it's a it's an ongoing joke. 477 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,220 So what I need you to do next time you see Dylan is very 478 00:20:13,230 --> 00:20:16,180 convincingly say, see. I knew you weren't cousins, but 479 00:20:16,190 --> 00:20:18,700 I never knew you were. Do you hate Mr Stevens's dad? 480 00:20:20,250 --> 00:20:22,890 She the idea to have doing that. Stop doing it. 481 00:20:22,900 --> 00:20:25,020 She can stop laughing. But the idea of going to you and 482 00:20:25,030 --> 00:20:27,530 trying to be serious. Thinking saying that you're my. 483 00:20:27,540 --> 00:20:29,990 Dad, Ohh man, it was good. I'm having for the first time 484 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,800 because you know, I went to year 3 for one year. 485 00:20:31,850 --> 00:20:34,100 Yeah, yeah. That was that was this cohort 486 00:20:34,110 --> 00:20:36,690 who are now in year six. Ohh. 487 00:20:36,700 --> 00:20:38,100 Yeah, I keep. Thinking you had them before. 488 00:20:38,110 --> 00:20:39,740 I feel I did. I went up. 489 00:20:39,790 --> 00:20:42,620 Ohh yeah, 3:00 to 4:00. So this is the first time where 490 00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:46,410 I feel like I know them so well and I already feel sad that 491 00:20:46,420 --> 00:20:47,850 they're leaving. Yeah, and I'm not even with 492 00:20:47,860 --> 00:20:49,230 them. Not even like you like it. 493 00:20:49,470 --> 00:20:51,360 People in year six must get this every year. 494 00:20:51,570 --> 00:20:53,280 But like, just because I had them when they were so little 495 00:20:53,290 --> 00:20:56,030 and they came in post COVID, like just after the first COVID 496 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,220 year they started with us. It's definitely a thing having 497 00:20:58,230 --> 00:21:00,140 kids two years, I don't know what it is, but there is 498 00:21:00,150 --> 00:21:02,260 something about that, Yeah, because I've only had that once. 499 00:21:02,270 --> 00:21:04,910 And those kids I don't. I know it sounds biassed, but 500 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,430 they are like super special for me. 501 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,400 Yeah, they're just, I think it's because I had them two years so 502 00:21:09,410 --> 00:21:11,000 they just they, you know, I I missed them. 503 00:21:11,070 --> 00:21:12,740 Yeah, so good. Yeah, so good. 504 00:21:12,810 --> 00:21:14,140 But yeah. Anyway, that was how the the 505 00:21:14,150 --> 00:21:15,540 book OK, I will post the bookmark. 506 00:21:15,550 --> 00:21:17,460 I mean it's been a whole week and I was like, I've got this 507 00:21:17,470 --> 00:21:19,640 something back because these kids were absolutely lovely. 508 00:21:20,190 --> 00:21:22,340 I had a really I had this one thing this week. 509 00:21:22,350 --> 00:21:23,890 So I've not talked about market too much. 510 00:21:24,490 --> 00:21:26,180 Like maybe we'll talk about in a second. 511 00:21:26,190 --> 00:21:28,060 But it was just stressful. It's just been stressful. 512 00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:29,950 I think it's been stressful, Week mentioned. 513 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,380 Yeah, man. It's been stressful. 514 00:21:31,550 --> 00:21:33,340 I'm not gonna then I'm not gonna vent to you guys. 515 00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:35,020 You're here. I'm really sorry to cut you off. 516 00:21:35,030 --> 00:21:39,650 Can I just say one last thing? Just remember, just remember 517 00:21:39,660 --> 00:21:43,910 when you talk about your stress. So last thing. 518 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,870 I was in Dylan's room the other day, a great time and we looked 519 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,810 around and a bunch of kids were just laughing at his window. 520 00:21:49,820 --> 00:21:50,920 House. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 521 00:21:50,930 --> 00:21:52,040 I think they were like, ohh, it's them. 522 00:21:52,050 --> 00:21:53,610 They're together. They're not actually arch 523 00:21:53,620 --> 00:21:56,640 enemies or whatever. And and they came in and one 524 00:21:56,650 --> 00:21:57,710 girl just couldn't stop laughing. 525 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,430 You're like, what? And she was like, it's just your 526 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,930 eyebrows. It's just your eyebrows. 527 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,700 I got her to explain afterwards. She can't stop laughing to you. 528 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,470 I said to her, what Pointy. What were you laughing? 529 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,480 She was like, yeah, Mr Mr Mr Mr Mr Price's eyebrows are just so 530 00:22:10,490 --> 00:22:14,640 like pointy and bushy. She was like yours are really 531 00:22:14,650 --> 00:22:17,140 flat like this And she literally put her hands up this. 532 00:22:17,150 --> 00:22:19,020 She was like, Mr Prices are like that. 533 00:22:19,250 --> 00:22:22,340 They go a bit pointier. Like a Caterpillar they are. 534 00:22:22,350 --> 00:22:24,000 To be fair, yeah, they are pointier. 535 00:22:24,010 --> 00:22:26,800 Mine are more like rainbows, beautiful rainbows. 536 00:22:26,810 --> 00:22:29,880 And yours are like pointy, pointy like Jagger. 537 00:22:29,890 --> 00:22:33,090 We've gone on and on here. We have gone on and on. 538 00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:34,880 There you go, you know. I had a terrible joke from a 539 00:22:34,890 --> 00:22:37,410 child and it just really made me laugh because the child was 540 00:22:37,420 --> 00:22:39,840 trying to be really funny and, you know, just tell you a joke. 541 00:22:39,850 --> 00:22:42,880 I was like, OK, of course, on a podcast, what do you call a 542 00:22:42,890 --> 00:22:44,800 cheetah? That's not yours. 543 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,730 I don't know Nacho cheese. Cheese. 544 00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:54,900 She got nachos wrong. The cheese wrong. 545 00:22:54,910 --> 00:22:56,360 What do you call cheese that's not yours? 546 00:22:56,410 --> 00:22:58,830 Nacho cheese? What do you call it? 547 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,040 Cheetah. That's not yours. 548 00:23:00,090 --> 00:23:01,620 Ohh. Nacho cheese. 549 00:23:01,630 --> 00:23:06,160 Nacho cheese. I was like, was that good? 550 00:23:07,060 --> 00:23:10,230 Yeah. Yeah, sure. 551 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,480 Run along. Spelling. 552 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,250 Come on, do you spending trying to make bookmarks? 553 00:23:18,260 --> 00:23:21,580 She just sat there. She's just, she's just sat there 554 00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:23,250 going. I can't carry on and tell us how 555 00:23:23,260 --> 00:23:24,350 to. I can't. 556 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:26,230 This is such a good joke. I cannot carry on. 557 00:23:27,940 --> 00:23:30,820 That's not yours. Not turkeys. 558 00:23:30,930 --> 00:23:32,860 And she's so annoying she's gone home. 559 00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:34,680 All she's thinking about is the fact she got that joke wrong. 560 00:23:34,690 --> 00:23:36,660 It's like calling your teacher. Mum, she thought it was right. 561 00:23:36,770 --> 00:23:42,140 She was like. Please anyway ohh dear. 562 00:23:42,650 --> 00:23:44,960 But I think what we've been talking about actually leads 563 00:23:44,970 --> 00:23:47,380 really nicely into what this Aren't you stressed? 564 00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:50,350 I'm a bit stressed. I'm sorry, it's just, I know you 565 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:51,420 don't want to talk about it, but. 566 00:23:52,210 --> 00:23:54,610 I don't want to talk about it, but I want to know if people are 567 00:23:54,620 --> 00:23:57,720 watch this guy every session. Come on, how are you? 568 00:23:57,870 --> 00:23:59,560 I'm fine. I'm fine. 569 00:23:59,650 --> 00:24:01,320 A lot of people have this same thing. 570 00:24:01,380 --> 00:24:03,100 You just have a stressful week. Do you wanna massage? 571 00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:04,570 There is not enough. Don't touch me. 572 00:24:04,730 --> 00:24:07,110 There is. Please never, ever touch me. 573 00:24:07,370 --> 00:24:09,260 There's not enough time in the week to do stuff. 574 00:24:09,270 --> 00:24:11,460 And it just winds me up. It winds me up. 575 00:24:11,610 --> 00:24:14,540 This is such a weird job. I just don't know how many jobs 576 00:24:14,550 --> 00:24:17,010 where someone can be like. Do that and you're like. 577 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,650 I'm already doing my job. Yeah, my job time is filled. 578 00:24:20,660 --> 00:24:22,350 My, my, it's filled up. I'm not. 579 00:24:22,570 --> 00:24:23,970 I'm not in this building for fun. 580 00:24:24,860 --> 00:24:26,460 I was in. I was in school for 10 hours 581 00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:27,440 today. Hmm. 582 00:24:27,780 --> 00:24:29,370 Yep. I still didn't get some stuff 583 00:24:29,380 --> 00:24:33,360 done. And I just thought, tough, yeah. 584 00:24:33,410 --> 00:24:35,880 Just it's tough, but it's but it's it's I said this on the 585 00:24:35,890 --> 00:24:38,260 Fred the other day. It's so easy for me to say that 586 00:24:38,270 --> 00:24:40,680 and for everyone to say that, but you've still gotta live the 587 00:24:40,690 --> 00:24:42,180 stress of knowing you haven't done something. 588 00:24:42,190 --> 00:24:44,140 Yeah, like it's easy to be like, Oh well, it's not done. 589 00:24:44,150 --> 00:24:45,960 And I did leave. And also having people think 590 00:24:45,970 --> 00:24:47,120 things of you because. You have. 591 00:24:47,130 --> 00:24:49,450 I think I'm past that. I don't care about that anymore 592 00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:51,860 because I I would just turn around and say this is the 593 00:24:51,870 --> 00:24:53,230 amount of time I spent doing stuff today. 594 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,920 Yeah, no point any of this time was I just. 595 00:24:56,260 --> 00:24:58,080 I don't want to be in this. But you still carry a little 596 00:24:58,090 --> 00:25:00,120 bit, though I do. Even though you weren't on it, I 597 00:25:00,130 --> 00:25:02,430 reckon you still care. I mean a little bit, but I think 598 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,550 I'm at the point now where. Like if you think that that's 599 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,650 your problem, Like if you think that I'm being work shy or 600 00:25:08,660 --> 00:25:10,640 unacceptable for not doing something, yeah. 601 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,900 Having been in the building for 10 hours a day this week. 602 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,760 Then I'm not the problem. Hmm. 603 00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:20,110 I'm not the problem. It's true that the problem is 604 00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:21,750 the expectation. Yeah. 605 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,110 And I say every week, and I'm people like a broken record. 606 00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:26,110 Listen to this. But I want everyone else to 607 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:28,130 think this. You lost hundreds. 608 00:25:28,140 --> 00:25:30,720 If you striked. If you didn't, then well done 609 00:25:30,730 --> 00:25:31,970 for the pay rise for doing nothing. 610 00:25:32,020 --> 00:25:36,870 But apart from that, if you strike last year right, you lost 611 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:42,300 hundreds and hundreds of pounds. He's, I'm just, he's really 612 00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:44,240 grumpy. All right, he's saying he's. 613 00:25:44,250 --> 00:25:45,050 Grumpy. It's fine. 614 00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:46,650 It's fine. I don't mind losing hundreds of 615 00:25:46,660 --> 00:25:50,240 pounds so they gain 100. It's not love me if if you 616 00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:53,340 strike the last year you lost hundreds of pounds to just get a 617 00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:57,140 bit less of a pay cut and I'd say every week and workload has 618 00:25:57,150 --> 00:25:59,630 not changed. Don't. 619 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,110 You don't need to accept the fact that the strikes are over. 620 00:26:02,190 --> 00:26:04,190 Hmm. I voted no for that deal. 621 00:26:04,260 --> 00:26:07,550 You didn't. So I said OK, cool, this is what 622 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,270 I'm doing now. I'm not doing work outside of my 623 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,300 10 hours a day. Yeah, because that is way more 624 00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:15,320 than my director time. I'm already doing more than 625 00:26:15,330 --> 00:26:17,290 directed time. If something needs to be done 626 00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:19,450 outside of that, I don't have time to do it. 627 00:26:19,460 --> 00:26:22,270 It's not an endless pot. Let's make it clear for non 628 00:26:22,580 --> 00:26:26,600 educational people. Part time, 30 hours people are 629 00:26:26,610 --> 00:26:30,740 like, yeah, of course, yeah, but Dylan's not saying that he'll 630 00:26:30,750 --> 00:26:33,860 only do those those directed hours of like, well, you're like 631 00:26:33,870 --> 00:26:36,610 directed hours for most schools are gonna be something like 8:30 632 00:26:36,620 --> 00:26:39,030 to 3:30, right? He's not saying he's only gonna 633 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,050 do that. He's he's already saying he's 634 00:26:41,060 --> 00:26:44,490 gonna put in like an extra 2-3 hours a day for free. 635 00:26:44,540 --> 00:26:47,670 And if that's not enough, and I agree with this, if that's not 636 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,070 enough, I'm not the problem. If that's not enough, I think 637 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,740 I've had that opinion and kind of acting on it for like a 638 00:26:54,750 --> 00:26:58,120 couple of years to an extent. Have you done work outside of 639 00:26:58,130 --> 00:27:01,020 school every week? Weekends. 640 00:27:01,030 --> 00:27:02,710 Yeah, that's what I mean. I'm not there. 641 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:04,960 Ohh wow. Even the weekends I thought you 642 00:27:04,970 --> 00:27:06,620 were factoring in, like. A planning No, I'm not doing it. 643 00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:07,810 I'm not doing it. Wow. 644 00:27:07,850 --> 00:27:11,550 I don't. And and look, will I fold after 645 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,980 four weeks maybe because. Here's the point. 646 00:27:16,030 --> 00:27:18,940 I'm not relishing this. Yeah, I'm not revelling in this 647 00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:20,600 choice. Yeah, I'm stressed. 648 00:27:20,890 --> 00:27:23,080 I'm so stressed because I've implemented this thing on 649 00:27:23,090 --> 00:27:24,890 myself, not doing it right. I've got principles. 650 00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:27,120 Yeah, I've got principles. It's nothing to do with the fact 651 00:27:27,130 --> 00:27:28,120 I don't have a computer right now. 652 00:27:28,130 --> 00:27:30,780 That's a coincidence. Days. 653 00:27:30,790 --> 00:27:31,860 What? Started off, I physically 654 00:27:31,870 --> 00:27:33,790 couldn't do stuff. Yeah, but then I'm like, wait, 655 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,240 why am I doing it? So I made the choice. 656 00:27:36,250 --> 00:27:38,330 I've made the choice this year. Sorry, I'm going on now. 657 00:27:38,340 --> 00:27:39,420 But I've made the choice this year. 658 00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:41,200 I'm getting an earlier than I've ever got in. 659 00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:45,070 I'm getting in at 727. Ten, 720 people would be 660 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,680 laughing at that, by the way, because I know we're getting 661 00:27:46,690 --> 00:27:48,330 6:30. It's not a race to the bottom. 662 00:27:48,340 --> 00:27:49,820 Yeah, I know, this is the other thing. 663 00:27:50,020 --> 00:27:51,780 Don't compare me to. If you want to compare me to 664 00:27:51,790 --> 00:27:54,920 other people, I'd say cool. Anyway, back to my literal facts 665 00:27:54,930 --> 00:27:56,720 and arguments here, because that's irrelevant. 666 00:27:56,730 --> 00:27:59,460 If someone else wants to do more, that's nothing to do. 667 00:27:59,770 --> 00:28:02,660 Not really relevant. If someone else to work 74 hours 668 00:28:02,670 --> 00:28:04,760 a week, yeah, not really relevant because that's not the 669 00:28:04,770 --> 00:28:07,040 gold bar. I'm talking about pure hours. 670 00:28:07,820 --> 00:28:10,930 It's just mad. It's just mad to me how it's 671 00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:14,360 this job where it's just like and it's random. 672 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,730 It's completely random. It it doesn't matter like you, 673 00:28:16,740 --> 00:28:19,420 you could have something to do, like you could have a parent who 674 00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:21,750 wants a meeting, you could have a document. 675 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,000 You've got to fit in right? That someone else just doesn't. 676 00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:26,950 They're already stressed, working hard. 677 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,170 I don't want to give them anything. 678 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,580 So I'm not saying give everyone something. 679 00:28:30,620 --> 00:28:32,470 I'm saying I've got this extra thing now. 680 00:28:32,820 --> 00:28:36,510 My time is not worthless. I'm sorry, my time is not 681 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,130 worthless. And there's a lot going on at 682 00:28:38,140 --> 00:28:41,520 the minute. In terms of both our lives and 683 00:28:41,610 --> 00:28:43,240 like, we just moved house and everything. 684 00:28:43,310 --> 00:28:47,900 And I'm just getting ready now to be like, like, look, I've got 685 00:28:47,910 --> 00:28:50,540 to go home and do decorating. Otherwise I don't have a 686 00:28:50,550 --> 00:28:52,560 kitchen. Yeah, yeah, I've got to go home 687 00:28:52,570 --> 00:28:55,720 and, you know, look out for everyone else or do this or do 688 00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:58,260 that because otherwise that doesn't happen. 689 00:28:58,770 --> 00:29:00,680 So actually, yeah, I'm not doing it. 690 00:29:00,910 --> 00:29:03,170 Yeah, and he's stressed. I'm stressed. 691 00:29:03,180 --> 00:29:06,030 I'm stressed because it's a stressful burden to take on and 692 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,160 I really respect people who've done it for so far because it's 693 00:29:08,170 --> 00:29:11,230 not nice being in a school. Like you might feel like you're 694 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,380 the minority of like ohh, workshy. 695 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,440 It's like no, look at the look at the numbers. 696 00:29:15,450 --> 00:29:18,280 No teacher is work Shy. No, by definition, no. 697 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,840 It just can't happen. No. 698 00:29:19,850 --> 00:29:21,460 And that is a stigma that gets put on teachers. 699 00:29:21,470 --> 00:29:23,940 I think sometimes they don't do as much as the ones that do. 700 00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:29,270 Tonnes of time I think as well what you're experiencing at the 701 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,600 moment because you've just moved out like you've got you have 702 00:29:31,610 --> 00:29:35,420 actually got on as much as I like to joke but a lot of you 703 00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:38,040 know we've we've been very, very lucky we're we're we're very 704 00:29:38,050 --> 00:29:42,230 lucky people in terms of in our whole career really we've not 705 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,200 had that much like outside stress to deal with no maybe a 706 00:29:45,210 --> 00:29:48,040 house move 5-6 years ago. Give us like that. 707 00:29:48,050 --> 00:29:50,340 You know I'm not being funny. Moving into your first time. 708 00:29:50,350 --> 00:29:51,770 Very different from moving a house. 709 00:29:51,780 --> 00:29:53,300 Yeah, true. You move from one bedroom, 710 00:29:53,310 --> 00:29:54,500 basically. You look at your mums or 711 00:29:54,510 --> 00:29:55,470 whatever. Exactly. 712 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,230 That's much easier, isn't it? Yeah, but it just really 713 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,330 highlights that. It makes it a bit more aware, I 714 00:30:00,340 --> 00:30:03,230 guess, of other people who are potentially in these kinds of 715 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,000 stress for whatever reason. There are stresses. 716 00:30:05,010 --> 00:30:08,210 You are was like stuff outside of work more regularly all the 717 00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:09,770 time. You don't then works you some 718 00:30:09,780 --> 00:30:11,850 piled on top and like people like some people and some people 719 00:30:11,860 --> 00:30:14,790 don't have that at all. And then and then they have the 720 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,120 expectation of expectation of like well I'm you know I'm 721 00:30:17,130 --> 00:30:19,240 putting in the work. I'm putting 12 hours in a day on 722 00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:20,460 average. Why aren't you doing It's like 723 00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:23,530 well maybe their life outside of work is very very, very 724 00:30:23,540 --> 00:30:24,270 different. Yeah. 725 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,650 And it's not fair to expect them to live up to that as well. 726 00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:31,070 And maybe it's not and they just don't want to do that because 727 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,690 it's a job. Like I'm not being funny. 728 00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:37,110 Like that is the point. We've got to like how crap is 729 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,830 your life? Outside of teaching for you to 730 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,590 justify not doing this, that's where we're at. 731 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,720 That's true. That's where we're at. 732 00:30:42,730 --> 00:30:44,430 Where what's what's the awful thing that's going on that 733 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,030 you're not doing 12 hour life. Fine. 734 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,230 Come on. Ohh, Sundays just got planning. 735 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,130 Yeah, there was a cut there because I went off on one. 736 00:30:50,580 --> 00:30:53,030 We gonna do about it? I'm sweating. 737 00:30:53,210 --> 00:30:55,130 I think that's the longest we've ever done. 738 00:30:58,140 --> 00:31:00,710 There's like a. Theme We get on to what we're 739 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,510 actually talking about. I think it's time to play the 740 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:08,460 Jingle everybody, don't you? Hello, we're back after that 741 00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:12,770 short break. Why I pet I just said I can't do 742 00:31:12,780 --> 00:31:14,800 the accent. Why Ant and Dec are not 743 00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:17,800 returning returning? Someone message on Freds. 744 00:31:17,810 --> 00:31:19,840 They posted like what are you up to? 745 00:31:21,550 --> 00:31:26,360 Why I packed with like a deck. Ohh man ohh we yeah this anti 746 00:31:26,370 --> 00:31:28,110 neck sweats like this on television. 747 00:31:28,410 --> 00:31:34,460 No, they get their foundation people into pat them down to two 748 00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:38,300 men dripping in a in a studio which is just a tiny room in. 749 00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:40,320 My house, bedroom, a massive light. 750 00:31:40,670 --> 00:31:43,350 Who do we think we are? There's like 10 people gonna 751 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,330 listen to this, I tell you. We think ohh mate, there's a lot 752 00:31:45,340 --> 00:31:46,490 of people copying us right now, isn't? 753 00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:48,180 There Ohh mate. A lot of people. 754 00:31:48,190 --> 00:31:50,160 A lot of people. White Rose Education. 755 00:31:50,210 --> 00:31:51,460 Ohh got a podcast? Yeah. 756 00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:56,110 Listen, listen, we did it first, alright? 757 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,690 We did it first. We did it. 758 00:31:57,700 --> 00:32:03,230 But Mr P, copy this new season. Come on, Mr P Yeah, we referred. 759 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,490 We've been in a podcast for like. 760 00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:06,990 Months. All these people, God do. 761 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,330 I'm doing a podcast now. Listen, listen. 762 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,590 Do you wanna do a podcast and ask us? 763 00:32:13,210 --> 00:32:15,460 Speaking of Mr P, love him if you. 764 00:32:15,530 --> 00:32:18,210 Yeah, go back a few episodes. He came on, he chatted to us. 765 00:32:18,220 --> 00:32:20,960 He was great. This time we just say that joke 766 00:32:20,970 --> 00:32:22,200 because they'll laugh. They'll laugh. 767 00:32:22,210 --> 00:32:24,530 He's gone on tour, by the way. I really, I wish I could go on 768 00:32:24,540 --> 00:32:25,390 tour. I literally can't go. 769 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,210 I would have gone and watched him. 770 00:32:26,220 --> 00:32:27,580 You wanna go? No. 771 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,760 That's all we do. One we're gonna fill out the the 772 00:32:32,770 --> 00:32:35,380 town hall, 10 people and their dog. 773 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,470 Well, we just turn up. Should we buy a ticket with Mr 774 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,170 Pete and just go on the stage? Hello. 775 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,760 Hiya, it's Mr P Mr Rest. Ohh yeah, that was a joke. 776 00:32:47,770 --> 00:32:50,980 One three piece. Yeah it's great. 777 00:32:50,990 --> 00:32:53,620 He's his podcast is smashing it. Yeah he's podcast is bad. 778 00:32:53,630 --> 00:32:55,980 Listen to the first episode it's just it's classic there's 779 00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:57,620 there's they get so many stories. 780 00:32:57,690 --> 00:33:00,150 I know I'm very clear. Like can we have one please? 781 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,530 Yeah, I'm asking if we can have the dregs. 782 00:33:02,540 --> 00:33:05,540 Yeah, like I was worried about copy was like, can you write us 783 00:33:05,550 --> 00:33:07,180 your funny stories? Isn't really an education 784 00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:08,660 podcast, which is absolutely nailed that. 785 00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:10,410 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Isn't it massive? 786 00:33:10,420 --> 00:33:14,200 We're gonna do it anyway. No, he's great. 787 00:33:14,210 --> 00:33:16,660 He's such a great guy. One of those things like we said 788 00:33:16,670 --> 00:33:19,370 I know we're not talk about Mr this whole thing but classic 789 00:33:19,380 --> 00:33:21,550 thing of when you speak to someone who has that kind of 790 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,270 following. I I just thought, I always think 791 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,070 with those people, like, they're probably a little bit, maybe 792 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,740 aloof bit, like, yeah, you know, I'm busy doing this. 793 00:33:28,750 --> 00:33:31,160 But he was just such a nice, he was really cool. 794 00:33:31,170 --> 00:33:33,510 I messaged him, not remotely expecting a reply. 795 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,480 Like, yeah, he's got like 400,000 followers. 796 00:33:35,490 --> 00:33:38,440 And all our people who come on, yeah, I know everyone's been so 797 00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:41,120 good, but I was least expecting a reply from him purely because 798 00:33:41,130 --> 00:33:42,500 of that reason. Yeah, but the more followers 799 00:33:42,510 --> 00:33:44,430 got, just generally the more messages you're gonna get the 800 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,880 more you've got three right? And yeah, he was just like 801 00:33:46,890 --> 00:33:48,730 alright pal. Yeah, yeah, it sounds cool. 802 00:33:48,740 --> 00:33:49,740 He was like, yeah, I listen to that. 803 00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:50,990 I was like, ohh, it's just enough. 804 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,110 He's human being. Ohh yeah, people are just 805 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,140 normal. People are like you, very 806 00:33:56,150 --> 00:33:58,220 cynical all the time. I'm like, no, no, we've got like 807 00:33:58,230 --> 00:34:00,740 100 followers now. I don't talk to you, you or you. 808 00:34:00,810 --> 00:34:02,050 We've got more than 100 followers. 809 00:34:02,270 --> 00:34:02,960 Have we? How many? 810 00:34:02,970 --> 00:34:04,740 I don't. Know more than 100? 811 00:34:05,010 --> 00:34:07,460 I honestly, I don't look anything ever. 812 00:34:07,770 --> 00:34:09,580 I couldn't even tell you if a person listening to. 813 00:34:09,590 --> 00:34:11,480 This. I'm just doing it for laughs. 814 00:34:11,489 --> 00:34:14,810 This podcast has been streamed in 40 different countries. 815 00:34:14,820 --> 00:34:17,940 Now that means nothing to me because I just presume everyone 816 00:34:17,949 --> 00:34:20,340 on the VPN even. OK, it's that one person that. 817 00:34:20,350 --> 00:34:22,889 Just pretend it sounds good. OK, sounds good. 818 00:34:23,179 --> 00:34:25,920 In 40 different countries it was me and my VPN. 819 00:34:25,929 --> 00:34:30,550 I went on my. Anyway, behaviour. 820 00:34:30,610 --> 00:34:32,770 Yeah, right. Is linked is linked to the same 821 00:34:32,780 --> 00:34:34,920 before wrapping up there. Should be, yeah. 822 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,530 I'll be really honest with the customers, the consumers, yeah. 823 00:34:38,540 --> 00:34:41,510 You're listeners, consumer, we we've been zonked. 824 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,710 Like this week we do actually. We do actually find this podcast 825 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,409 and you won't believe it, but we do actually plan it out and we 826 00:34:47,420 --> 00:34:50,250 did not plan one this week. And we sat and we said what's 827 00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:52,500 something that we can just talk about having had so much 828 00:34:52,510 --> 00:34:54,770 experience and literally just have a conversation about it 829 00:34:54,780 --> 00:34:56,060 Because this is more conversational being. 830 00:34:56,070 --> 00:34:57,620 Yeah. And we thought behaviour was 831 00:34:57,630 --> 00:35:00,250 such a good one. Because we've had a lot of 832 00:35:00,260 --> 00:35:03,120 feedback previously when we've mentioned behaviour just in 833 00:35:03,130 --> 00:35:04,870 passing, maybe at the end of an episode or something. 834 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,410 And someone basically saying, ohh, you know, we love your 835 00:35:07,420 --> 00:35:08,930 approach to it and things like that. 836 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:14,020 Because there's a lot of debate at the minute and there's just 837 00:35:14,030 --> 00:35:17,450 this idea with behaviour and maybe we can talk about our own 838 00:35:17,460 --> 00:35:19,930 experiences. But there's definitely this idea 839 00:35:19,940 --> 00:35:22,930 that's floating around, very popular, that behaviour is 840 00:35:22,940 --> 00:35:26,590 getting a lot worse, parental engagement is getting a lot 841 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,150 further away and maybe the onus is being placed much more now 842 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,850 onto the teacher rather than the person or the child, you know, 843 00:35:33,930 --> 00:35:37,370 exhibiting those behaviours. And there's a lot of reasons for 844 00:35:37,380 --> 00:35:39,990 that, but just in general with behaviour. 845 00:35:40,670 --> 00:35:44,350 We talked about our mindset of positivity and yeah, and and and 846 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,250 it being key. But if you could distil your 847 00:35:46,260 --> 00:35:49,040 behaviour into like a simple few sentences maybe. 848 00:35:49,050 --> 00:35:50,350 I know you struggle with my behaviour. 849 00:35:50,490 --> 00:35:52,020 No. Your behaviour, Your your 850 00:35:52,030 --> 00:35:55,380 attitude towards behaviour. Yeah, what would you say? 851 00:35:55,470 --> 00:35:57,940 I hate the word non-negotiable because there's a whole debate 852 00:35:57,950 --> 00:36:00,730 around things that's in my expectations on the kids. 853 00:36:00,740 --> 00:36:03,970 Yeah, and you're like, cool. This is exactly what I expect. 854 00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:06,200 I give you this, I'll give you that. 855 00:36:06,530 --> 00:36:10,670 But what I expect from you is this just I honestly one word 856 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,250 just like just mute No2 words mutual. 857 00:36:12,260 --> 00:36:13,690 Respect. One word I was gonna say. 858 00:36:13,700 --> 00:36:14,970 Respect. And I was like, actually, no, I 859 00:36:14,980 --> 00:36:18,440 specifically mean respect. I respect you. 860 00:36:18,450 --> 00:36:20,050 You respect me. Does that work when they ask you 861 00:36:20,060 --> 00:36:21,390 to turn around and check your in your head? 862 00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:24,010 No. That's just bullying me. 863 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,170 Thanks for reminding me. I don't know. 864 00:36:26,180 --> 00:36:27,590 I was probably more to it. I'm pick it. 865 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,150 But realistically that's what it always boils down to for me. 866 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,790 It's like we're all different. And I've said to children 867 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,190 before, I've had a I've had a boy in my class once who was 868 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,090 just just swore a lot. Just classic. 869 00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:39,470 Like people have different backgrounds. 870 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,060 I don't care. Personally, I always go back to 871 00:36:42,070 --> 00:36:43,990 like me on a personal level, like I don't really care. 872 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,450 Outside of the job, outside of the job, like as a person, as a 873 00:36:46,460 --> 00:36:47,850 person, as a human being. I'm not. 874 00:36:47,860 --> 00:36:50,590 I don't really care if someone says a word that we've decided 875 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,230 is offensive like the to whatever, like people would use 876 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:55,760 it all the. Time the F word. 877 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,720 I mean, for you. Let's go all the way through the 878 00:36:58,730 --> 00:37:00,330 alphabet. Yeah, exactly. 879 00:37:00,340 --> 00:37:03,110 Like, I swear a lot outside of outside of my job in this. 880 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,100 Podcast very quickly though. We've had meetings before 881 00:37:06,110 --> 00:37:09,370 through business and stuff, and maybe it's someone we've had a 882 00:37:09,380 --> 00:37:11,690 meeting with a couple of times or, but sometimes maybe it's a 883 00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:12,810 tutor we're talking to and stuff. 884 00:37:12,820 --> 00:37:15,330 And although we know them and stuff, I feel uncomfortable when 885 00:37:15,340 --> 00:37:16,120 you sweat. Do you? 886 00:37:16,130 --> 00:37:20,430 Yeah, just because I just think. Like what we're talking about 887 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,100 now basically I'm ohh they. It's not that I care, but I'm 888 00:37:23,110 --> 00:37:25,410 like ohh in this setting they might care. 889 00:37:25,460 --> 00:37:28,260 Yeah, think of us differently because of your, I guess. 890 00:37:28,270 --> 00:37:30,610 I guess I just, I don't know. In the moment I think I'm 891 00:37:30,620 --> 00:37:32,390 comfortable. If I'm swearing, it's usually 892 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,410 cuz I'm comfortable and I'm also usually like subliminally quite 893 00:37:35,420 --> 00:37:39,000 certain that they're not or or I don't care. 894 00:37:39,010 --> 00:37:40,790 Yeah, if they judge me, I'm like, well, it's a relevant. 895 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,660 This is my choice of language. Equally I'm in the same 896 00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:45,360 situation. I'm like, are we there? 897 00:37:45,370 --> 00:37:48,320 Yeah, maybe some. Yeah, sure, just a bit quicker. 898 00:37:48,660 --> 00:37:52,440 But I've had a kid before who swears a lot and some people 899 00:37:52,450 --> 00:37:55,520 might be like very unacceptable, like Oh my God, go crazy. 900 00:37:55,590 --> 00:37:59,740 And I just took the kid to the side and I just explained I. 901 00:37:59,750 --> 00:38:04,150 Was like bellowed out. I'm tired of it outside. 902 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,340 Yeah. I just very like calmly cause I 903 00:38:06,350 --> 00:38:07,620 don't really care. Yeah. 904 00:38:07,630 --> 00:38:09,330 Yeah. And I didn't want him to just 905 00:38:09,340 --> 00:38:11,680 completely disengage with me as a human immediately because I 906 00:38:11,690 --> 00:38:14,180 don't speak like him and and I'm pretending not to be like him. 907 00:38:14,190 --> 00:38:15,860 I'm not even being truthful. I'm just lying. 908 00:38:15,870 --> 00:38:17,160 Like, yes, I don't speak like this. 909 00:38:17,170 --> 00:38:18,100 Absolutely. Course I. 910 00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:20,140 I don't even speak like this. Yeah. 911 00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:23,260 Yeah, yeah. And I just said to him, look, 912 00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:24,760 this is how it works in the school. 913 00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:26,560 I was like, I love swearing. That's how I said it. 914 00:38:26,570 --> 00:38:28,230 And I was like, this is risky. If someone else heard me say 915 00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:30,190 that, they might be like. But it's the same thing only 916 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,080 because of the preconception. Effectively. 917 00:38:34,490 --> 00:38:36,380 Is that wrong to say? No, I surely not. 918 00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:37,950 This kid got it. Like, maybe I wouldn't say it to 919 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,620 someone a bit younger. Yeah, but I just said I love 920 00:38:39,630 --> 00:38:41,740 saying and but this is the situation. 921 00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:44,490 I don't swear here and here's why and here's why you need to 922 00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:46,810 not do it as well. This is the stigma that you're 923 00:38:46,820 --> 00:38:48,200 going to get. This is the reactions people 924 00:38:48,210 --> 00:38:50,040 have to just not worth it. It's just language. 925 00:38:50,050 --> 00:38:53,930 So you've gotta understand that and genuinely, honestly, 926 00:38:53,940 --> 00:38:56,010 honestly, didn't swear again. And I was like, oh, that was 927 00:38:56,020 --> 00:38:57,430 easy. He's been told off for three 928 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:58,730 years. Was shouting as well. 929 00:38:58,740 --> 00:39:01,300 He didn't swear again maybe like once or twice in the playground 930 00:39:01,310 --> 00:39:03,450 slipped out, but generally in the classroom just didn't 931 00:39:03,460 --> 00:39:04,900 happen. I was like, cool, there we go. 932 00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:06,650 Didn't ruin my relationship with it. 933 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,490 And it's just, I don't know, I just try and get that mutual 934 00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:11,350 respect. He could see I wasn't actually 935 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,480 demeaning him as a human and saying what you, how you sound 936 00:39:14,490 --> 00:39:16,510 and communicate is wrong. Don't do it. 937 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,770 I was just saying I get it. I'm like, you know, we can 938 00:39:19,780 --> 00:39:21,890 connect, but maybe don't do it in here. 939 00:39:22,660 --> 00:39:25,160 And you know you're going to like success stories, which is 940 00:39:25,170 --> 00:39:28,150 great. But I'm wondering, I'm diving 941 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,390 more now into that feeling that all teachers have had. 942 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,130 If you're a teacher, listening to this, if you're a parent, 943 00:39:33,140 --> 00:39:35,770 listening to this tenfold because from what I hear from 944 00:39:35,780 --> 00:39:37,970 parents. It's even harder at home to kind 945 00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:41,590 of behaviour of things. So I guess what I'm saying is, 946 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,930 you know, we've been a teachers for a long time now and we've 947 00:39:45,940 --> 00:39:48,910 gone through enough cohorts, enough classes to understand 948 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,530 that the way I feel towards behaviour management isn't 949 00:39:52,540 --> 00:39:54,930 consistent. And what I mean is so my 950 00:39:54,940 --> 00:39:57,730 attitudes are and what I expect are my expectations. 951 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,890 I always think of having clear rules, as few rules as possible, 952 00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:03,390 but that are really important and you adhere to and everyone 953 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,730 sticks to. But I've had enough reactions. 954 00:40:06,810 --> 00:40:10,810 From the ways of doing stuff to understand that there's more to 955 00:40:10,820 --> 00:40:12,090 it. OK, what do you mean? 956 00:40:12,140 --> 00:40:17,370 So I I don't think, again, people feel free to discrete 957 00:40:17,380 --> 00:40:19,240 talk to me, tell me if there's a way to do this right. 958 00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:22,710 Yeah, but I don't think there is one set way to do something in 959 00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:25,350 terms of behaviour where you're gonna catch everyone in the net. 960 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,690 Yeah, sure. And I think from year to year 961 00:40:27,740 --> 00:40:30,030 you will have different children, different needs, 962 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,950 different kind of they behave differently. 963 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,690 That's not a constant you're in control of. 964 00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:38,670 That's not something you can, you know, that's a variable. 965 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,550 That's something that is out of your control. 966 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,110 So the way you do things might hit 95% of your class one year 967 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,640 and it's breezy. And you think I'm the best 968 00:40:46,650 --> 00:40:47,990 teacher in the world that have management. 969 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,210 And guess what, guys, it's me because I did this and someone 970 00:40:51,220 --> 00:40:53,190 asked you, how did you do it? Well, I just built a 971 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,310 relationship with them and I just had three simple rules and 972 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,880 they all did it. And I think that we've been 973 00:40:58,890 --> 00:41:00,600 through the mill enough to know that that can be really 974 00:41:00,610 --> 00:41:02,870 disheartening to hear when you feel like you're doing the same 975 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,030 thing but not get the same outcome. 976 00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:06,470 Yeah. And I don't think it's, it's the 977 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,860 same thing. I don't think it's down to you 978 00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:11,190 and those outcomes because I can do the same thing the year after 979 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,920 and really struggle. Yeah, I I've had exactly that. 980 00:41:14,030 --> 00:41:16,280 So I have had both ends of the spectrum. 981 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,310 Like right now the class I have this year are really nice. 982 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,460 They are on that level where it's like, yeah, I can just take 983 00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:23,950 these three things. They all immediately do and we 984 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,620 have a great time. Honestly, that's just the level 985 00:41:25,630 --> 00:41:26,850 of people come to you. How do? 986 00:41:26,860 --> 00:41:27,780 You do it. Yeah, I know. 987 00:41:27,790 --> 00:41:29,730 As if it's me. It's not remotely me. 988 00:41:29,740 --> 00:41:33,770 They're in Year 6. None of my input has got them to 989 00:41:33,780 --> 00:41:35,650 this this point After 10 days anyway. 990 00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:37,840 Yeah, 10 days. Not after me being constantly 991 00:41:37,850 --> 00:41:39,180 having taken the Mick out of you. 992 00:41:39,350 --> 00:41:40,850 But that's also the reason that I can do that. 993 00:41:40,860 --> 00:41:45,180 Whereas I've had classes before, like cohorts I've taught in the 994 00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:49,110 past, where I absolutely, absolutely cannot treat them in 995 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,620 the same way that I'm already treating these kids. 996 00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:52,140 It doesn't work. And it would. 997 00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:54,360 You would get nothing done. Everyone would get stressed. 998 00:41:54,370 --> 00:41:56,930 I'd be constantly crossed other kids to be angry at the 999 00:41:56,940 --> 00:41:59,830 behaviour, like the culture in that cohort is different. 1000 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,620 And again, it had nothing to do with my actual input. 1001 00:42:02,860 --> 00:42:05,330 Like the reason their behaviour was like that and I would go as 1002 00:42:05,340 --> 00:42:07,400 far as arguing that it didn't have much. 1003 00:42:08,060 --> 00:42:11,210 There wasn't much impact from the previous teachers as well. 1004 00:42:11,220 --> 00:42:13,830 Like I don't think we should. We could go back and pinpoint 1005 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,750 like ohh, there's the teacher that messed it all up. 1006 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,630 Yeah of course. They're the two teachers that 1007 00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:19,980 then back-to-back. They complete all those children 1008 00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:21,570 can't behave now because of them too. 1009 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,110 It doesn't work like that. I do think you can have a little 1010 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,950 impact. You can, but I don't think it's 1011 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,710 much, honestly. Think of it this way. 1012 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:30,610 If you were just joking constantly, there were no 1013 00:42:30,620 --> 00:42:32,500 repercussions. There were no clear 1014 00:42:32,510 --> 00:42:35,190 expectations. Those are the basic building 1015 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,770 blocks where if you're not doing that, then focus on that. 1016 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,810 I think there's a lot of teachers out there who are doing 1017 00:42:40,820 --> 00:42:43,310 those things and I felt like this in the last couple of 1018 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,780 years, numerous times where I'm like, am I actually bad at 1019 00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:48,700 behaviour management? Yeah, because I've always 1020 00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:51,450 thought since, you know, since my early days, that was one of 1021 00:42:51,460 --> 00:42:53,080 my strengths. I've always thought that. 1022 00:42:53,090 --> 00:42:56,220 I just think I do think naturally as a man, I do think 1023 00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:58,840 there is that just 10% that you start off a bit higher on 1024 00:42:58,910 --> 00:43:01,360 because your voice naturally cuts through and stuff like 1025 00:43:01,370 --> 00:43:03,640 that. I do think we have those natural 1026 00:43:03,710 --> 00:43:07,260 kind of benefits, benefits just from the off without doing any 1027 00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:10,100 kind of, you know, actual putting things in place. 1028 00:43:10,410 --> 00:43:13,410 But yeah, I just think, I don't know. 1029 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,770 I've had those moments where I'm like really experienced and 1030 00:43:15,780 --> 00:43:18,210 stuff worked before. And then I've had those 1031 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,260 interactions with children where I'm like, nothing's working and 1032 00:43:22,270 --> 00:43:25,350 I'm just getting annoyed and I think with less experience. 1033 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,480 You look at that and you go, it's me, what can I do? 1034 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,670 And as a teacher, you're always going to ask yourself, because 1035 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:31,990 it's your. Job and you blame yourself. 1036 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,050 I have this mantra as well. I remember one of the Tas I 1037 00:43:35,060 --> 00:43:36,460 worked with always reminded me of it. 1038 00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:38,020 And I was like, that is important when I was like an 1039 00:43:38,030 --> 00:43:40,530 input. And it was If the children don't 1040 00:43:40,540 --> 00:43:43,210 understand something, hmm, it's my problem. 1041 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,570 You know, If they, if they don't get something, it there's no 1042 00:43:46,580 --> 00:43:49,150 good being annoyed at them. If they don't get it, then it's 1043 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,090 my job. Yeah, literally my job to find a 1044 00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:53,330 different way to try and. Do you tell? 1045 00:43:53,340 --> 00:43:55,870 Do you sell that to the kids? Yes, because I see you better. 1046 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,090 It's just better. It's like I said to him this 1047 00:43:58,100 --> 00:43:59,450 week when I was setting expectations. 1048 00:43:59,460 --> 00:44:03,330 I said I promise you all and I looked at them and I promise you 1049 00:44:03,820 --> 00:44:07,630 that if you do not understand something and you have tried to, 1050 00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:10,170 I will never. I know. 1051 00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:13,100 I said to him, do you think I will ever get annoyed or tell 1052 00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:17,070 you what if that's the case and they were like, no, no, no, of 1053 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,610 course I won't. I will never ever do that. 1054 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,090 But what do you think I'm going to do if you don't understand 1055 00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:25,140 how to do something but you weren't paying attention or you 1056 00:44:25,150 --> 00:44:27,830 haven't even tried it or you haven't even put pen to paper or 1057 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,270 you show me. You've shown me a choice where 1058 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,570 you haven't given it a go. And they were like, ohh, yeah, 1059 00:44:32,580 --> 00:44:34,260 of course. And I'm like, that's when we're 1060 00:44:34,270 --> 00:44:37,530 gonna have a conversation. Because we boil it down to the 1061 00:44:37,540 --> 00:44:39,350 rules where you always have to try your best. 1062 00:44:40,060 --> 00:44:43,270 You always have to respect other people. 1063 00:44:43,340 --> 00:44:45,650 And that comes in with listening when they're talking. 1064 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,090 And. And that's almost it. 1065 00:44:47,140 --> 00:44:48,630 Yeah. Because if you get out of your 1066 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,070 seat, I'm like, you're not respecting me. 1067 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,570 Hmm. You're not respecting the 1068 00:44:51,580 --> 00:44:52,480 person. Next you've been put off. 1069 00:44:52,490 --> 00:44:54,410 Now you guys see. Yeah, you're shouting out, 1070 00:44:54,420 --> 00:44:56,810 respecting everyone else's time. Someone's talking and you're not 1071 00:44:56,820 --> 00:44:59,050 listening, not respecting them. You can almost encompass 1072 00:44:59,060 --> 00:45:00,490 everything in these really basic rules. 1073 00:45:00,700 --> 00:45:03,300 And we had a message from Kyle, Kyle, one of the people listen 1074 00:45:03,310 --> 00:45:05,590 to the podcast. Really nice guy. 1075 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,310 Just basically saying he was listening to our podcast about 1076 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,570 Simple Rules, and he put a picture of his three rules up 1077 00:45:11,580 --> 00:45:14,260 there. Hmm, you can't go wrong because 1078 00:45:14,270 --> 00:45:15,740 you just point to it. And I was like, he's gonna have 1079 00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:17,530 a good year because he's just very clear. 1080 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,880 And you know, as long as your rules cover everything, such an 1081 00:45:20,890 --> 00:45:23,250 impact. And yeah, I think understanding 1082 00:45:23,260 --> 00:45:26,460 that even with this attitude and clear expectations, high 1083 00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:31,320 expectations, you're gonna get some children who make wrong 1084 00:45:31,330 --> 00:45:33,990 choices. Yeah, of course and and I'm, I'm 1085 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,060 wondering your your ideas here just going into the meta. 1086 00:45:36,070 --> 00:45:37,130 Now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1087 00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:40,470 You know, there's a lot of people, myself included, a lot 1088 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,760 of the time. Yeah, who like to look for. 1089 00:45:43,050 --> 00:45:45,700 There's a reason it's not an excuse. 1090 00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:48,500 The reason It's a reason this person's misbehaving. 1091 00:45:49,250 --> 00:45:51,700 What's your opinion on that attitude of there's always a 1092 00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:54,710 reason there's not, not always just a, you know, goes right. 1093 00:45:55,420 --> 00:45:58,370 There is always a reason, but the reason isn't always an 1094 00:45:58,380 --> 00:46:00,430 excuse. I think that's the way I see it. 1095 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,970 OK, so can it be you're saying the reason can be an? 1096 00:46:02,980 --> 00:46:07,070 Excuse the the reason. The reason can be the reason can 1097 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:11,190 be they wanted to annoy you. Yeah, yeah. 1098 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,050 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. 1099 00:46:12,060 --> 00:46:14,640 And it's like, cool, it's not an acceptable reason. 1100 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,910 But I don't like the excuse culture that happened. 1101 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,430 I don't know. I don't know if it's, you know, 1102 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,620 you earlier on you said about how maybe the culture over time, 1103 00:46:23,630 --> 00:46:27,530 like there's a bit of stigma or a stereotype that that parenting 1104 00:46:27,790 --> 00:46:30,450 is becoming more like lenient. And it's the teachers problem. 1105 00:46:30,460 --> 00:46:32,670 It's teachers fault the kid before. 1106 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:33,050 The kid? Yeah. 1107 00:46:33,060 --> 00:46:35,820 And it used to be more You listen to the parents, listen to 1108 00:46:35,830 --> 00:46:37,690 the teacher, and then they believe the teacher. 1109 00:46:37,730 --> 00:46:39,930 I don't know if that's true. No, I don't either, because I 1110 00:46:39,940 --> 00:46:41,930 haven't talked long enough. I think it's been exactly the 1111 00:46:41,940 --> 00:46:43,970 same the entire time I've been teaching and again, I feel like 1112 00:46:44,020 --> 00:46:47,460 I've the vast majority of parents then, absolutely 1113 00:46:47,470 --> 00:46:48,540 fantastic. Yeah, yeah. 1114 00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:50,350 And I think it's very easy to latch onto the few. 1115 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,870 Yeah, a couple and and and like because the end of the day 1116 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:53,890 parents are just people. Yeah. 1117 00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:56,590 I'm who are we kidding if we think every single person. 1118 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:57,960 It's lovely and polite. Of course they're not. 1119 00:46:57,970 --> 00:46:59,430 Some of those people are gonna be parents sometimes. 1120 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,560 Like of course I've had a few fallings out, but overall like 1121 00:47:02,610 --> 00:47:06,410 on the whole, 99% lovely interactions with but going back 1122 00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:10,950 to like reasons and excuses I don't like and it really grinds 1123 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,560 my gears when very very very obvious behaviour like bad 1124 00:47:15,570 --> 00:47:18,820 behaviour that is just. For the sake of like arrogance 1125 00:47:18,830 --> 00:47:23,120 or being obnoxious or just being rude because those children 1126 00:47:23,130 --> 00:47:27,020 haven't been taught manners. When they get excused for staff, 1127 00:47:27,090 --> 00:47:30,800 it angers me to my soul because as a professional, I always feel 1128 00:47:30,810 --> 00:47:35,540 that horrible burden of I better not annoy the parent or the 1129 00:47:35,550 --> 00:47:37,140 person who's challenging me on this. 1130 00:47:37,150 --> 00:47:39,280 Because, you know, I don't want to complain about me or 1131 00:47:39,290 --> 00:47:41,240 something like that. And I hate that because it 1132 00:47:41,250 --> 00:47:42,370 always puts me in an awkward position. 1133 00:47:42,380 --> 00:47:43,980 But at the end of the day, if someone come up to me and 1134 00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:46,960 saying, well, my child got told off for this today, they weren't 1135 00:47:46,970 --> 00:47:49,340 doing that. Oh, I hate it. 1136 00:47:49,350 --> 00:47:52,620 I'm like, oh, sorry, sorry, yeah, no, my eyes, the thing I 1137 00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:54,910 saw, are relevant because your child has told you. 1138 00:47:54,980 --> 00:47:57,640 Happened before. So ignore everything I said that 1139 00:47:57,650 --> 00:47:59,830 I saw. Let's go with your account, 1140 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,240 which is based on your child's account. 1141 00:48:01,250 --> 00:48:04,020 Like, what are you? And I find that so rude, So 1142 00:48:04,030 --> 00:48:05,230 rude. And that's a little bit 1143 00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:05,970 different. Mining. 1144 00:48:06,010 --> 00:48:07,030 Undermining. Yeah, I don't. 1145 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,740 I wanna make it clear, though, that's not the same as like a 1146 00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:11,470 situation where something happened and I'm already going 1147 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,060 off secondary information from different kids accounts. 1148 00:48:14,070 --> 00:48:15,360 Yeah. And then maybe the parents just 1149 00:48:15,370 --> 00:48:17,320 chipping in saying actually there's a bit of history here. 1150 00:48:17,330 --> 00:48:18,540 Maybe this has happened in this session. 1151 00:48:18,550 --> 00:48:19,800 That's just helpful. That's helping the 1152 00:48:19,810 --> 00:48:21,770 investigation. I don't mind that. 1153 00:48:21,930 --> 00:48:25,160 So yeah, back to your original question, I think. 1154 00:48:25,230 --> 00:48:27,010 Everything has a reason. I just don't think they're 1155 00:48:27,020 --> 00:48:28,950 always acceptable. Devil's advocate here because I 1156 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,770 I agree. I think I think what what's 1157 00:48:30,780 --> 00:48:32,990 happened is, and again correct me wrong, people who have been 1158 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,930 teaching a lot longer than we have back in the day. 1159 00:48:36,020 --> 00:48:38,390 Yeah, it would be that the teacher said something that was 1160 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,740 unquestionable. Clearly some teachers took 1161 00:48:40,750 --> 00:48:42,360 advantage of that. We're talking about a time when 1162 00:48:42,370 --> 00:48:45,540 you could throw a rubber a kids face like I'm joking. 1163 00:48:47,060 --> 00:48:49,450 Cheers as well, like you could get the cane right because the 1164 00:48:49,460 --> 00:48:51,960 teacher didn't quite like the look of you everyone. 1165 00:48:51,970 --> 00:48:54,060 Everyone's Nan and Grandad got a story and they hate school. 1166 00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:55,770 Yeah, so clearly that's horrendous. 1167 00:48:55,780 --> 00:48:59,230 Yeah, it's it's shifting. So there's a, it's a fact that 1168 00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:03,050 it's shifting towards more, you know, I wanna say restorative. 1169 00:49:03,060 --> 00:49:04,300 A big thing at the minute. Yeah. 1170 00:49:04,310 --> 00:49:05,650 Schools having restorative things. 1171 00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:07,750 It's not just punishment, punishment, wrong, bad 1172 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,090 punishment, wrong bad punishment. 1173 00:49:09,100 --> 00:49:12,580 It's wrong, bad understanding. Yeah, that's obviously a good 1174 00:49:12,590 --> 00:49:14,530 thing. Again, I'm talking very 1175 00:49:14,540 --> 00:49:17,750 specifically about, you know, you said it's not the child's. 1176 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,270 You know, child might not been taught manners. 1177 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,610 Yeah, and they're just being rude. 1178 00:49:20,620 --> 00:49:23,220 Hmm. Is that the child's fault that 1179 00:49:23,230 --> 00:49:25,530 they've chosen then not to do something if they need to be 1180 00:49:25,540 --> 00:49:27,330 taught like like we're teaching them the line. 1181 00:49:27,340 --> 00:49:28,550 Yeah. You know, in the same way that 1182 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,010 you're, you know, do do we go down that route or should we go 1183 00:49:31,020 --> 00:49:33,470 down that route of, well, they've not been taught, OK, 1184 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,790 look, nurture, help, No one's ever going to say that's a bad 1185 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,790 thing. But there is obviously a line 1186 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,340 when someone has been taught here. 1187 00:49:42,180 --> 00:49:43,270 We've been. I've been that kid. 1188 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,870 You've been that kid at school who did something simply because 1189 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,330 they wanted to. And it was funny to break the 1190 00:49:48,340 --> 00:49:48,770 rule. Yeah. 1191 00:49:48,780 --> 00:49:50,630 Well, it wasn't because of something at home that morning. 1192 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:51,700 Yeah. It was because you went in and 1193 00:49:51,710 --> 00:49:55,010 you chose chaos. Yeah, I I exclusively from 1194 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,190 exclusively from about the age of 10 I'd say cuz I was really 1195 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,990 good before that. From the age of 10 until I left 1196 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,350 school, the only thing that mattered to me was making my 1197 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:10,320 friends laugh at any expense. That's in and you still fail. 1198 00:50:10,930 --> 00:50:13,780 Yeah, didn't do that. Is that 50 years practise? 1199 00:50:13,790 --> 00:50:15,240 But it was. It was, though, like. 1200 00:50:15,250 --> 00:50:17,480 And I'm not saying I wasn't like, the proper horrible Kimi 1201 00:50:17,490 --> 00:50:19,500 was definitely rude. I looked back and I cringe at 1202 00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:21,460 some of my memories of, like, things I said to teachers. 1203 00:50:21,470 --> 00:50:22,900 But imagine what you chose in that day. 1204 00:50:22,910 --> 00:50:24,070 You just wanted to make mates laugh. 1205 00:50:24,110 --> 00:50:26,410 Yeah, right. There's that. 1206 00:50:26,450 --> 00:50:30,780 The memes right now of the naughty kid who managed to leave 1207 00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:33,330 less and get chips. And it's like because that whole 1208 00:50:33,340 --> 00:50:35,110 restorative thing of you know, we come out of lesson, you've 1209 00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:36,680 been completely rude and horrible. 1210 00:50:36,730 --> 00:50:40,120 You've you've like and I'm like. Jokes aside now there's massive 1211 00:50:40,130 --> 00:50:43,380 huge rising rates of children abusing teachers, especially 1212 00:50:43,390 --> 00:50:46,080 secondary school. And they do that and they get 1213 00:50:46,090 --> 00:50:49,660 taken out, Arm around them, have some crisps, go for a walk. 1214 00:50:49,730 --> 00:50:53,350 And it's like, let's not pretend there's not a line because 1215 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,520 there's some people out there who will jump down your throat 1216 00:50:55,530 --> 00:50:57,240 if you say we should be doing that. 1217 00:50:57,350 --> 00:50:58,740 Yeah. No, no, no. 1218 00:50:58,830 --> 00:51:01,760 Everyone, everyone. There's a reason for every 1219 00:51:01,770 --> 00:51:03,070 single behaviour. Hmm. 1220 00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,100 We treat them beautifully. Nice, restorative. 1221 00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:08,120 All good. There's a place for restorative. 1222 00:51:08,170 --> 00:51:11,900 But if someone's choosing to be a little bugger, sometimes they 1223 00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:14,570 need to be told and punished. Yeah, and don't do that. 1224 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,020 Don't do that. No, that's unacceptable. 1225 00:51:16,070 --> 00:51:17,190 You do it again. Cool. 1226 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,180 You're gonna lose this. You're gonna lose that. 1227 00:51:19,230 --> 00:51:21,850 Yeah, well, you're not gonna get crisps and ice cream. 1228 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,280 That's more reflective of real society in my opinion. 1229 00:51:24,650 --> 00:51:27,260 I think, like, you know, good countries around the world have 1230 00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:30,800 really good restorative like prisons and things. 1231 00:51:30,810 --> 00:51:32,390 Netherlands, I think have. Really good, yeah. 1232 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,540 You know, the Nordic, that kind of area in general is always 1233 00:51:34,550 --> 00:51:37,220 quite quoted, isn't it? I think the success probably 1234 00:51:37,230 --> 00:51:39,090 comes from the fact that you're still punished. 1235 00:51:39,100 --> 00:51:41,740 There's a law and you are punished for it, like you're 1236 00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:45,170 going to prison, but you are also given the opportunity to 1237 00:51:45,210 --> 00:51:47,220 restore yourself rather than just being labelled as you're 1238 00:51:47,230 --> 00:51:48,240 just nothing now. You're worthless. 1239 00:51:48,250 --> 00:51:49,260 Well done. You've messed up your whole 1240 00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:50,580 life. You're nothing that happens in 1241 00:51:50,590 --> 00:51:53,360 this country like that is the prison system in this country. 1242 00:51:53,490 --> 00:51:56,260 There are. So the the rate of reoffenders 1243 00:51:56,270 --> 00:51:57,780 is huge. Hmm. 1244 00:51:57,890 --> 00:52:00,960 Restorative help is so good. Yeah. 1245 00:52:01,030 --> 00:52:02,380 It's so good. Yeah. 1246 00:52:02,450 --> 00:52:06,720 But we we we can't just pretend that there are not some children 1247 00:52:06,730 --> 00:52:09,450 out there who don't just misbehave because they want to, 1248 00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:10,670 you know? It's. 1249 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,720 As a cultural impact, I'm thinking about school now. 1250 00:52:13,830 --> 00:52:16,840 I think even though you send it with, it said it was a meme, 1251 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,580 like the impact it would have on a child who's really trying to 1252 00:52:21,590 --> 00:52:24,140 behave in a class seeing one of their peers. 1253 00:52:24,310 --> 00:52:28,370 Who's just done something vile in the classroom then having 1254 00:52:28,380 --> 00:52:30,570 some sort of treat within even like a week. 1255 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,050 Yeah honestly I'd be if I was that kid as someone who's quite 1256 00:52:34,060 --> 00:52:36,000 switched on to that sort of thing would be like that's 1257 00:52:36,010 --> 00:52:38,790 completely unjustified. Like that kid just threw a chair 1258 00:52:38,860 --> 00:52:41,510 at a teacher and now they're having they're going like a 1259 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,680 special ice cream treat with this like behavioural unit. 1260 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,010 What on earth? What I'd be like why are they 1261 00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:47,750 getting that? I would understand it as good 1262 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,030 and sometimes kids don't understand it and there is a 1263 00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,930 bit, there is a wider thing there and it's like you don't 1264 00:52:51,940 --> 00:52:53,530 understand it, but this is still the best decision. 1265 00:52:53,540 --> 00:52:55,860 I do think there are situations like that, and I'm not saying 1266 00:52:55,870 --> 00:52:58,230 restorative is bad. No, never mind, but but but 1267 00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:00,330 there, there just has to be common sense. 1268 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,390 If you're doing solely restorative and someone doing 1269 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,580 that is on the same level as someone who maybe is going 1270 00:53:06,590 --> 00:53:08,830 through something at home, who maybe has some kind of 1271 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,350 diagnosis, some kind of need, we can't group these things 1272 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,070 together and we can't pretend that the same. 1273 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,210 And we can't just say it's only ever because of a reason that's 1274 00:53:17,220 --> 00:53:19,110 justified. It's not. 1275 00:53:19,260 --> 00:53:22,050 They need to sometimes learn. And there's this, my favourite 1276 00:53:22,060 --> 00:53:25,990 thing, amazing teacher we work with who is fantastic for 1277 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:30,930 children with certain needs. Yeah, always, always says that 1278 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,180 the world isn't going to change, that the wider world isn't going 1279 00:53:34,190 --> 00:53:36,490 to change. And what she means by that is 1280 00:53:36,500 --> 00:53:40,540 simply these children, no matter what, no matter if they're a 1281 00:53:40,550 --> 00:53:43,780 diagnosis of ADHD, maybe ASD, we give them all the help and 1282 00:53:43,790 --> 00:53:47,070 support they need, but they need to learn that in the real world 1283 00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,250 there are rules and there are consequences and they still 1284 00:53:50,260 --> 00:53:53,020 apply and they still apply. You know, there are things we 1285 00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:56,230 can put in place to support, but you know, there are things we 1286 00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:58,020 have to expect from everyone. Yeah. 1287 00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,220 And I think sometimes the idea of that restorative justice in 1288 00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:04,860 schools is we have, you know, we have these really high 1289 00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:06,610 expectations. Everyone's gonna be brilliant. 1290 00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:07,900 Ohh my gosh, we have this mantra. 1291 00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:10,690 Everyone's, you know, attitude towards it and just teach the 1292 00:54:10,700 --> 00:54:13,240 Staffs all on the same level and if you break it. 1293 00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:15,790 Yeah, OK. I agree. 1294 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,750 I'll make two points. Cause one point I wanted to make 1295 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,750 the whole way through and I was eventually getting to it because 1296 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,920 I don't, I don't want anyone to think that I don't like 1297 00:54:21,930 --> 00:54:24,310 restorative Yes. I'm actually more profit yes 1298 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,840 than anything. But the thing I hate and I just 1299 00:54:28,850 --> 00:54:30,380 don't know schools that do this right. 1300 00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,570 I don't like overarching behaviour policies like as in 1301 00:54:34,580 --> 00:54:37,680 really simple ones as in like where the whole thing is we do 1302 00:54:37,690 --> 00:54:41,530 restorative here and that's it. Or we have this particular 1303 00:54:41,540 --> 00:54:44,350 thing, and this is the only system we use for everyone 1304 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,110 because it goes back to that thing you said right at the 1305 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,130 start of. Yeah, but you're never gonna 1306 00:54:48,140 --> 00:54:50,710 catch 100% of children that. Do you know what that policy 1307 00:54:50,780 --> 00:54:52,240 might apply. You might get the best one, and 1308 00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:54,610 it applies to 96% of your kids. Hmm. 1309 00:54:54,650 --> 00:54:57,660 But there's still 4% the kids where that policy is rubbish for 1310 00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:59,670 them and it's never gonna help them. 1311 00:55:00,330 --> 00:55:02,120 Can I come in? I mean, cause cause case in 1312 00:55:02,130 --> 00:55:04,650 point of nearly every single primary school in the country. 1313 00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:06,820 Nearly every single primary school in the country. 1314 00:55:06,830 --> 00:55:08,840 Think of the system you have in school for behaviour. 1315 00:55:08,890 --> 00:55:10,880 Yeah? What percentage of children 1316 00:55:10,890 --> 00:55:12,940 actually go through that formality of that system? 1317 00:55:12,990 --> 00:55:16,140 And what I mean is, whatever it is, whether it's warning, going 1318 00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:19,470 to this room, having this punishment, whatever it is, 1319 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,180 detention, whatever you do, yeah, whatever the system is. 1320 00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:25,070 What percentage of your kids actually make their way through 1321 00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,780 that step by step of the paving system? 1322 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,290 Less than 10%. Hmm. 1323 00:55:29,330 --> 00:55:33,550 The vast majority of children, just the fact that it exists and 1324 00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,620 they know that they have to behave a certain way is enough. 1325 00:55:35,690 --> 00:55:38,180 Yeah. So if we're talking a small 1326 00:55:38,190 --> 00:55:40,280 percentage of children actually making their way through this 1327 00:55:40,290 --> 00:55:44,730 process, yeah, if there are repeat offenders constantly 1328 00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:47,260 doing the same thing, then we can go into those root causes, 1329 00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:49,280 can't we? But that's when we can step in 1330 00:55:49,290 --> 00:55:51,870 and help those 4% who clearly this isn't working for. 1331 00:55:51,970 --> 00:55:54,050 But for the majority, just having something in place, it's 1332 00:55:54,060 --> 00:55:57,590 going to catch them then, you know, then dive in, then look 1333 00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,460 for the reasons, OK. And if it is just that the kids 1334 00:56:00,470 --> 00:56:03,030 being annoying because they want to be funny, yeah, we can sort 1335 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,600 it in some way. If it's because they have a 1336 00:56:04,610 --> 00:56:06,130 diagnosis, we can sort it in that way. 1337 00:56:06,140 --> 00:56:09,090 Yeah, because of this or that. We then need the specific range, 1338 00:56:09,100 --> 00:56:11,460 but resources. And yeah, just in the individual 1339 00:56:11,470 --> 00:56:12,950 case, there's no resources in school. 1340 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,500 That's why it's so hard. That's why you need an 1341 00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:17,010 overarching thing, because it's just a simple. 1342 00:56:17,020 --> 00:56:19,910 Policy anyway to stay with it? I'm sorry, I can't go into this 1343 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,090 case because I've got 17 kids so I need to do 1000. 1344 00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:24,050 Who comes? To school, yeah, it's it's just 1345 00:56:24,060 --> 00:56:25,770 unmanageable. So that's why we step into that. 1346 00:56:25,970 --> 00:56:28,570 I just realised I'm going into my like gawping thinking face. 1347 00:56:28,580 --> 00:56:30,700 Ohh yeah yeah we're. Gonna so thanks thanks for you 1348 00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:31,750 know taking the Academy everyone. 1349 00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,580 I'm aware of it now. I am listening. 1350 00:56:34,050 --> 00:56:36,860 I'm just going into when I go into deep thought I my face just 1351 00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:38,060 goes. I'm just thinking about you 1352 00:56:38,070 --> 00:56:43,990 saying I'm like I am listening. What I'm saying is so boring, 1353 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,810 boring. So if you had to you know, 1354 00:56:46,820 --> 00:56:49,930 summarise your your, your kind of top tips are behaving them. 1355 00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,330 Because I always think about teachers listening to this, 1356 00:56:52,340 --> 00:56:55,230 because I know for a fact we have a whole bunch of teachers 1357 00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:57,650 who like less than three years experience who are watching 1358 00:56:57,660 --> 00:56:59,410 this. And we've got between us nearly 1359 00:56:59,420 --> 00:57:02,530 20 years now. Yeah, we've talked about how 1360 00:57:02,740 --> 00:57:05,400 don't beat yourself up too much if you're doing the basics and 1361 00:57:05,410 --> 00:57:07,810 you're doing them consistently and there's still some problems, 1362 00:57:07,860 --> 00:57:09,670 it is out of your hands sometimes. 1363 00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,270 Whatever reason it could be, whether it's the child's fault, 1364 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,360 whether it's their conditions fault, whatever it is, don't 1365 00:57:15,370 --> 00:57:17,960 beat yourself up, because I've done that plenty of times and I 1366 00:57:17,970 --> 00:57:19,720 know I'm following policies and doing things. 1367 00:57:19,830 --> 00:57:21,590 So what would be your top tips then? 1368 00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,310 To those people You say, OK, you're struggling with behaviour 1369 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,080 or you think you're worried about it, you're training and 1370 00:57:26,090 --> 00:57:28,080 you're thinking, how am I gonna control 30 kids? 1371 00:57:28,090 --> 00:57:29,280 How am I gonna stay on top of it? 1372 00:57:29,350 --> 00:57:32,610 What would you say to them as your top tips as someone who's 1373 00:57:32,620 --> 00:57:33,910 more experienced? OK, so. 1374 00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:37,760 Whatever your blanket rules are cause we've already said there 1375 00:57:37,770 --> 00:57:39,900 are going to be some things where it's just like this is 1376 00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:42,040 just a non negotiable. You just don't shout out when 1377 00:57:42,050 --> 00:57:43,980 I'm talking. I don't care. 1378 00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:45,310 I don't care what your reason is. 1379 00:57:45,350 --> 00:57:48,180 OK, maybe you've got ADHD. OK, you still don't shout out 1380 00:57:48,190 --> 00:57:50,150 when I'm talking because it's a choice. 1381 00:57:50,410 --> 00:57:52,070 It might be a bit harder for you, and we can put some 1382 00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,050 restorative processes in to help you as an individual get around 1383 00:57:55,060 --> 00:57:56,040 that thing, but that's the thing. 1384 00:57:56,050 --> 00:57:58,740 And you might not be punished, like you might not be literally 1385 00:57:58,750 --> 00:58:01,720 punished harshly because you do all the time that, like you 1386 00:58:01,730 --> 00:58:03,600 said, restorative can come into play. 1387 00:58:03,610 --> 00:58:05,770 I want to justify that because I don't want anyone to think that 1388 00:58:05,780 --> 00:58:08,100 we're punished. Thinking of advocating punishing 1389 00:58:08,110 --> 00:58:10,670 people who literally have a disadvantage, A disadvantage and 1390 00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,600 this. Of course not, but but they. 1391 00:58:12,650 --> 00:58:15,290 But what the message? They shouldn't get is it's 1392 00:58:15,300 --> 00:58:17,850 because you've got this thing then. 1393 00:58:17,860 --> 00:58:20,910 Therefore you don't have to follow this simple rule. 1394 00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:22,910 It's just you gotta follow this simple rule. 1395 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:23,910 It might be a bit harder for you. 1396 00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:24,930 Here are some things to help you. 1397 00:58:24,940 --> 00:58:27,150 Exactly. That's how it should be so. 1398 00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,270 But whatever. Those rules are consistent, be 1399 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,330 consistent. And it's so much harder to do 1400 00:58:33,340 --> 00:58:36,050 than it is to say genuinely so true. 1401 00:58:36,060 --> 00:58:39,630 So hard I struggle now. To be consistent, parents do 1402 00:58:39,700 --> 00:58:41,330 have one child. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1403 00:58:41,340 --> 00:58:42,990 Yeah. Like, seriously, if any parents 1404 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,380 are listening, how hard is it to be? 1405 00:58:44,460 --> 00:58:46,710 System of your kid in terms of like the boundaries, 1406 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:47,790 expectations or to get in. Right. 1407 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,490 Do you cave? Because you do. 1408 00:58:49,540 --> 00:58:51,490 Right? Now imagine having 32 of them 8 1409 00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:53,170 hours a day. Not that many, but six hours a 1410 00:58:53,180 --> 00:58:55,130 day. Whatever, by the way, trying to 1411 00:58:55,140 --> 00:58:56,690 make them do work that sometimes they just don't. 1412 00:58:56,700 --> 00:58:58,110 Wanna do? Yeah, it's hard. 1413 00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,880 So don't make your rules too ridiculous. 1414 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,890 Make them really fair for every child in your class that they 1415 00:59:03,900 --> 00:59:05,300 could achieve. Yeah, it might be harder for 1416 00:59:05,310 --> 00:59:07,970 some of them, but they can still achieve that rule, maybe with 1417 00:59:07,980 --> 00:59:10,870 some support and be very, very, very consistent. 1418 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,570 Like, just stick to it. Don't start making excuses left, 1419 00:59:14,580 --> 00:59:16,880 right and centre. But equally, I'm going to 1420 00:59:16,890 --> 00:59:18,660 completely contradict myself here. 1421 00:59:18,730 --> 00:59:20,300 There we go. Because every child is 1422 00:59:20,310 --> 00:59:21,460 individual. Hmm. 1423 00:59:21,710 --> 00:59:25,280 And the reason I don't like blanket policies is because in 1424 00:59:25,290 --> 00:59:29,530 those situations. Maybe due to the reasons some 1425 00:59:29,540 --> 00:59:31,710 children might just need a little bit more TLC or a 1426 00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,360 different approach. That that they understand, yeah. 1427 00:59:35,370 --> 00:59:36,830 Whereas other children, it's like, cool. 1428 00:59:36,900 --> 00:59:40,900 You are just choosing to do this, to make your mate laugh. 1429 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,210 So I'm going to tell you off, That's it. 1430 00:59:42,220 --> 00:59:43,240 And then you're done. That's it. 1431 00:59:43,250 --> 00:59:44,570 You. You'll respond to that and you 1432 00:59:44,580 --> 00:59:45,910 won't do it again. I don't think there's a 1433 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,530 contradiction there. I'm gonna come in and just 1434 00:59:47,580 --> 00:59:49,210 clarify. It just sounded like it does a 1435 00:59:49,220 --> 00:59:51,270 bit. But I think your expectations 1436 00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,950 and constant from the front, delivering on the front line can 1437 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,290 constantly be that way. I think you're talking then, 1438 00:59:57,300 --> 00:59:58,950 about how you react to that. Yeah, that's it. 1439 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,160 So, like, from the point of view of the children, they have to 1440 01:00:01,170 --> 01:00:03,310 know it's unacceptable because otherwise they'll do it like you 1441 01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:04,320 said. Yeah. 1442 01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:05,510 You have to know some acceptable. 1443 01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,070 But then how are you gonna try and solve that? 1444 01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,440 I think that's less. It's less easy for us to give 1445 01:00:10,450 --> 01:00:12,630 tips at that point. Yeah, because they're so unique. 1446 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,710 Because I've had certain children where it's just 1447 01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,030 clicked. I've tried something. 1448 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,690 Ohh OK that's a sticker chart did actually work for you 1449 01:00:18,700 --> 01:00:21,560 because for whatever reason that's enough of a hook for you 1450 01:00:21,570 --> 01:00:24,100 to become fixated on that and want to do that and then that's 1451 01:00:24,110 --> 01:00:26,720 good for another child. It would just be me being 1452 01:00:26,730 --> 01:00:29,160 brutally honest with them. Like you said, the child who's 1453 01:00:29,170 --> 01:00:30,940 swearing. I might say to someone I've I've 1454 01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:33,770 said this before and I thought I might going too far and I've 1455 01:00:33,780 --> 01:00:36,600 just thought no because it's and and I've said this and I said 1456 01:00:36,610 --> 01:00:37,770 this to parents and parents evening. 1457 01:00:38,060 --> 01:00:42,290 I've said children will stop liking you Hmm. 1458 01:00:42,340 --> 01:00:44,570 And and I'm not and I say to I don't want that to happen. 1459 01:00:44,580 --> 01:00:47,110 You don't want that to happen. No one wants that to happen. 1460 01:00:47,180 --> 01:00:49,640 But you've got to understand the way you're behaving and treating 1461 01:00:49,650 --> 01:00:52,670 other people. They will stop wanting to spend 1462 01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,650 time with you and at break time it's a choice. 1463 01:00:54,660 --> 01:00:56,910 It's a very small time. There's a very subtle difference 1464 01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,290 between that and something that people would be like, oh, that's 1465 01:00:59,300 --> 01:01:01,850 terrible. And this is is really clear if 1466 01:01:01,860 --> 01:01:04,990 you said to a kid no one likes you, oh gosh, that's awful. 1467 01:01:05,150 --> 01:01:06,680 Don't do that, please. Please be careful with your 1468 01:01:06,690 --> 01:01:08,770 wording. But if you're explaining to them 1469 01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,110 that their actions, the consequences of their actions, 1470 01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:15,050 which might result in like social, it's embedded in praise. 1471 01:01:15,260 --> 01:01:17,900 Yeah, it's like, you know, you've got a lot of friends. 1472 01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:18,710 Yeah. And you're lovely. 1473 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,350 Yeah. You're you're so, like right 1474 01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:24,070 now, having such a nice chat. But these choices you're making, 1475 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,150 they're going to have a consequence. 1476 01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:27,790 And they are choices, aren't they? 1477 01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,290 And you talk to them. You say you chose to do this, 1478 01:01:30,380 --> 01:01:32,790 you could have chosen this, and you give them things they could 1479 01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,810 have done. It's always so carefully 1480 01:01:34,820 --> 01:01:37,580 structured. Because if we simply go up to a 1481 01:01:37,590 --> 01:01:40,420 child and essentially tell them they're bad, yeah, And then walk 1482 01:01:40,430 --> 01:01:42,280 away, that's just negative. It's negative. 1483 01:01:42,290 --> 01:01:43,480 It's horrible. I'm an adult. 1484 01:01:43,490 --> 01:01:45,840 They're a child. And I don't like you now, right? 1485 01:01:45,850 --> 01:01:49,000 So I think the the thing I wanna come back full circle to is we 1486 01:01:49,010 --> 01:01:52,260 spoke about how I expect them to behave in lessons and to learn 1487 01:01:52,270 --> 01:01:55,380 things and stuff like that. In the same way we teach 1488 01:01:55,390 --> 01:01:59,120 children how to interpret primary and secondary sources in 1489 01:01:59,130 --> 01:02:01,640 history. I think it's our job to teach 1490 01:02:01,650 --> 01:02:05,700 children how to behave. And would we ever say that every 1491 01:02:05,710 --> 01:02:07,570 child ends in the same way when it comes to maths? 1492 01:02:07,580 --> 01:02:08,880 Yeah, no, of course, of course you wouldn't. 1493 01:02:08,890 --> 01:02:11,270 So why are we? Why are we pretending that every 1494 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,710 child learns in the same way that you just behave and half 1495 01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,730 the time will not even teaching them we just say do this? 1496 01:02:15,980 --> 01:02:18,470 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Imagine going to Mass and saying 1497 01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,640 add four. Yeah, never done it before. 1498 01:02:20,650 --> 01:02:21,790 Add 400. Con. 1499 01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:23,490 You can't do it. Detention. 1500 01:02:23,940 --> 01:02:25,730 Yeah, OK. Those kids can praise, praise, 1501 01:02:25,740 --> 01:02:26,770 praise, praise, praise. Exactly. 1502 01:02:26,820 --> 01:02:29,490 So I just think there's got to be a mixture of stuff. 1503 01:02:29,500 --> 01:02:31,890 I think the extremes on both ends are ridiculous. 1504 01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,870 So the 1970s from the rule at someone's face Don't. 1505 01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:36,450 Do that physical punishment horrible. 1506 01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:38,320 Stupid conditioning. Silly. 1507 01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:39,470 Yeah. Ohh. 1508 01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,660 Are are some things moving too far the other way now? 1509 01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:44,200 I think so, yeah. I think we've just got to fight 1510 01:02:44,210 --> 01:02:46,640 to keep common sense. Yeah, yeah, that's it, isn't it? 1511 01:02:46,690 --> 01:02:49,860 Everything's common sense. Stop blanket thinking about 1512 01:02:49,870 --> 01:02:52,080 anything. Just put like just individually 1513 01:02:52,090 --> 01:02:54,000 think about the they're they're human beings. 1514 01:02:54,070 --> 01:02:56,360 They have an entire life like you and all your whole 1515 01:02:56,370 --> 01:02:58,300 everything complex about you. They have that as well. 1516 01:02:58,310 --> 01:03:02,280 I think that would be my #1 tip to an ECT if someone had to say 1517 01:03:02,290 --> 01:03:06,340 to me you've got an ECT and you can say one thing to them. 1518 01:03:06,350 --> 01:03:10,060 One bit of advice, I think that encompasses enough to say to 1519 01:03:10,070 --> 01:03:13,900 them, treat them like this sounds so condescending. 1520 01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:15,290 Cause I don't. I'm not saying that everyone 1521 01:03:15,300 --> 01:03:16,900 doesn't do it, but I just remember being at school and 1522 01:03:16,910 --> 01:03:19,300 thinking, I can't believe you're not treating me like I'm human. 1523 01:03:19,350 --> 01:03:22,740 Yeah, yeah, treat them like individual human beings. 1524 01:03:22,750 --> 01:03:24,880 Yeah, and that encompasses so much. 1525 01:03:24,890 --> 01:03:26,580 That encompasses differentiation, that 1526 01:03:26,590 --> 01:03:29,050 encompasses their needs, that encompasses understanding them, 1527 01:03:29,060 --> 01:03:30,790 that encompasses building relationship with them. 1528 01:03:30,830 --> 01:03:34,200 Everything comes down to treat every single person in your room 1529 01:03:34,210 --> 01:03:39,200 like an individual human being. So for me that is very powerful. 1530 01:03:39,350 --> 01:03:43,100 And I think when I was learning to teach someone asked me cause 1531 01:03:43,110 --> 01:03:45,480 I cause my PC year finished and we had a meeting with my link 1532 01:03:45,490 --> 01:03:49,060 tutor and she had she was such a nice question because it was a 1533 01:03:49,070 --> 01:03:51,840 question embedded in like a bit of praise because she wasn't 1534 01:03:51,850 --> 01:03:53,500 someone that like she was so lovely. 1535 01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:56,020 I like I was so influenced by this woman, Gina Donaldson. 1536 01:03:56,030 --> 01:03:58,330 I don't know you're not gonna be listening, but you're you're 1537 01:03:58,340 --> 01:03:59,280 amazing. She will. 1538 01:03:59,450 --> 01:04:02,180 She's amazing, like math specialist, so good like me, my 1539 01:04:02,190 --> 01:04:02,940 specialist. You. 1540 01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,580 Ohh. Well, anyway she would you have 1541 01:04:05,590 --> 01:04:07,180 like a debrief at the end qualified. 1542 01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:09,500 And she's so lovely. And I always remember the 1543 01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:12,210 questions she asked me and the question was, what do you think 1544 01:04:12,450 --> 01:04:15,010 made you had such a successful year, right. 1545 01:04:15,020 --> 01:04:18,110 And that was just like I was like just taking. 1546 01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,350 It yes access embedded in the thank you and and but she's 1547 01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,170 asking me why as well she's like ohh that's not only did you have 1548 01:04:23,180 --> 01:04:24,720 a good year I wanna hear from. You. 1549 01:04:24,730 --> 01:04:26,500 She was talking to the person. Ohh. 1550 01:04:26,510 --> 01:04:27,780 Sorry, we'll come to you in a minute. 1551 01:04:27,790 --> 01:04:32,410 Just work. Possibly Pasty brought food, but 1552 01:04:32,500 --> 01:04:36,930 no, she she asked that question and I just remember saying I 1553 01:04:36,940 --> 01:04:39,910 think it's because I said two things. 1554 01:04:40,180 --> 01:04:44,460 I copied really good teachers. Yeah, which is literally, I did, 1555 01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,360 umm, Fran Pettit. Nicole Mannings. 1556 01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:49,400 Not Mannings anymore. But yeah, they all my two 1557 01:04:49,410 --> 01:04:50,460 people. I just copied them. 1558 01:04:50,530 --> 01:04:53,360 I was like, you're amazing. I'm gonna copy. 1559 01:04:53,370 --> 01:04:57,440 You did as best I could. And the other thing was I got on 1560 01:04:57,450 --> 01:05:02,960 with the children I I made an effort to understand them and 1561 01:05:02,970 --> 01:05:05,040 know them. Rather than it's a number of 32. 1562 01:05:05,110 --> 01:05:08,430 Yeah, they're just like data. I've got 32 individual children 1563 01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:09,100 in there. Yeah. 1564 01:05:09,150 --> 01:05:11,240 And I love the idea of being able to. 1565 01:05:11,250 --> 01:05:14,470 Any one of them have. I'd be by the end of the year. 1566 01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,360 I want to be able to have a 5 minute conversation with any of 1567 01:05:16,370 --> 01:05:19,410 them and not before and be like, I know exactly what your 1568 01:05:19,420 --> 01:05:20,400 interests are. You can talk to me. 1569 01:05:20,410 --> 01:05:22,500 I can talk to you just chilled out, have a chat. 1570 01:05:22,590 --> 01:05:25,620 And that's what happens now when I walk through the corridor and 1571 01:05:25,630 --> 01:05:27,550 one of the kids stops me. Like I've done my job. 1572 01:05:27,610 --> 01:05:28,360 Yeah. I've done my. 1573 01:05:29,390 --> 01:05:31,670 A kid came back to school today, but I thought three years ago. 1574 01:05:31,710 --> 01:05:33,520 Ohh. And you know what happened in 1575 01:05:33,530 --> 01:05:36,080 the school you saw. Yeah tall girl next to me. 1576 01:05:36,090 --> 01:05:37,500 Oh my God. Ohh, no, no. 1577 01:05:37,510 --> 01:05:39,890 Because I I didn't tell you. So the podcast exclusive. 1578 01:05:40,270 --> 01:05:41,880 Exclusive. Don't wait for this news. 1579 01:05:42,210 --> 01:05:43,920 You haven't come out yet. And I was already out. 1580 01:05:44,090 --> 01:05:45,040 And this girl. Yeah. 1581 01:05:45,050 --> 01:05:48,280 And that girl came up to me and said, excuse me, Mr. Price. 1582 01:05:48,290 --> 01:05:50,350 And I kind of recognised that. I don't think I taught her. 1583 01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:51,760 Kind of recognised and. OK. 1584 01:05:51,770 --> 01:05:55,000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Does Mr Stevens still work here? 1585 01:05:55,530 --> 01:05:58,280 And I went warms my heart and I said yeah, he does actually, 1586 01:05:58,330 --> 01:05:59,580 yeah. He'll be out in a minute. 1587 01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:01,650 And she literally turned around to her Mama now, like. 1588 01:06:01,660 --> 01:06:03,670 Chess. Yeah, yeah, come on. 1589 01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:05,600 She said that she'd come back a few times and I hadn't just. 1590 01:06:05,610 --> 01:06:07,030 It was just like days. Obviously we're not there. 1591 01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:08,530 Yeah. Ohh, I love that. 1592 01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:09,730 Yeah. Ohh yeah, obviously. 1593 01:06:09,740 --> 01:06:12,690 Thursday, Friday, yeah. She she like she she celebrated 1594 01:06:12,700 --> 01:06:15,860 like my team had scored a goal. Yeah, of course. 1595 01:06:15,980 --> 01:06:16,910 And then her mum. Ohh. 1596 01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,470 OK, wait, wait and wait for you to come out. 1597 01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,080 Nice relationship with her and her family. 1598 01:06:20,090 --> 01:06:22,310 So it was really nice. It was one of the COVID years, 1599 01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,080 so it was like our online year. So just a different bond, wasn't 1600 01:06:25,090 --> 01:06:26,540 it? Like I spoke to the parents a 1601 01:06:26,550 --> 01:06:28,130 lot more online. We were just chatting 1602 01:06:28,140 --> 01:06:31,570 differently really. Have a little chat with her and 1603 01:06:31,580 --> 01:06:32,920 she was just, yeah, just buzzing. 1604 01:06:32,930 --> 01:06:34,870 And I just, I loved that she was buzzing to see me because it 1605 01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,610 means I did what you said. I did my job properly. 1606 01:06:36,620 --> 01:06:37,930 She enjoyed our time. Yeah. 1607 01:06:38,210 --> 01:06:40,050 Because if we get a short time really together yeah. 1608 01:06:40,060 --> 01:06:42,540 I think one of the most power just finished with my last one 1609 01:06:42,550 --> 01:06:46,060 of the most powerful things I've done with behaviour once I've 1610 01:06:46,610 --> 01:06:49,580 developed some sort of mutual respect relationship with the 1611 01:06:49,590 --> 01:06:49,890 kids. Right. 1612 01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:53,020 And we've got a bit of trust going on is do a comparison 1613 01:06:53,030 --> 01:06:56,040 where I directly talk about myself but with them. 1614 01:06:56,090 --> 01:06:59,120 So I'm like the most powerful thing I've ever said to someone. 1615 01:06:59,130 --> 01:07:01,270 I've seen their face drop and they understand what I'm saying. 1616 01:07:01,340 --> 01:07:03,800 Or rather than just telling them off, is they've come to me upset 1617 01:07:03,810 --> 01:07:07,000 that they're in having a having a tiff with a friend or whatever 1618 01:07:07,210 --> 01:07:09,030 and they've done something. So in my head, I'm thinking, 1619 01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:10,940 right, you're the problem. But kids don't like to hear 1620 01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:11,810 that. They don't like to hear 1621 01:07:11,820 --> 01:07:14,010 actually, it's your fault. You started this. 1622 01:07:14,020 --> 01:07:15,980 You you're the one that took this too far and you did a thing 1623 01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:18,280 and it annoyed that, you know. And now they're annoyed at you 1624 01:07:18,370 --> 01:07:19,810 basically. And they come to you saying 1625 01:07:19,820 --> 01:07:21,450 they're annoyed at not being my friend. 1626 01:07:21,490 --> 01:07:22,480 And I said. You know what? 1627 01:07:23,540 --> 01:07:24,210 Based on what? Her? 1628 01:07:24,220 --> 01:07:27,500 Based on what you told me, if I was, you're the problem, yeah? 1629 01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:29,220 Yeah, you ever know, start everything. 1630 01:07:29,230 --> 01:07:32,510 Like, yeah, I love swearing and you're the problem. 1631 01:07:33,900 --> 01:07:36,600 No, no, I've just said I've been. 1632 01:07:36,610 --> 01:07:38,660 It's that, you know, you said about being brutally honest. 1633 01:07:38,730 --> 01:07:41,870 Well, yeah, this is brutal in the way of just like you don't 1634 01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:43,400 wanna. Hear it but in but in a good way 1635 01:07:43,410 --> 01:07:46,500 as in like in a restorative way. In a constructive way. 1636 01:07:46,550 --> 01:07:49,190 I've said to a few children in the past when it's the right 1637 01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,430 situation they've explained something and I've gone. 1638 01:07:51,710 --> 01:07:55,760 If I was your friend I would also my feelings would be hurt 1639 01:07:55,770 --> 01:07:57,520 right now. I wouldn't want to talk to you 1640 01:07:57,530 --> 01:07:59,460 right now. And they've got it because I'm 1641 01:07:59,470 --> 01:08:01,600 I'm someone they trust right now and they actually want me to be 1642 01:08:01,610 --> 01:08:03,940 their friend almost in a way and and I've said to them as an 1643 01:08:03,950 --> 01:08:06,160 adult. Do they are looking for advice? 1644 01:08:06,170 --> 01:08:08,800 I've said if I think if I was your friend, I wouldn't want to 1645 01:08:08,810 --> 01:08:10,610 talk to you right now because that was really mean. 1646 01:08:11,300 --> 01:08:14,110 And they're like, whoa, OK And adults would do the same thing. 1647 01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:15,800 And I've seen kids faces sort of be like. 1648 01:08:16,500 --> 01:08:19,890 Realised penny drops maybe. Maybe. 1649 01:08:19,899 --> 01:08:22,240 And there's that moment of in your life where you realise 1650 01:08:22,250 --> 01:08:23,910 you're not introspect ways right. 1651 01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,830 Yeah, maybe. I maybe I was actually the main 1652 01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:28,450 problem. I it was my fault. 1653 01:08:28,540 --> 01:08:29,750 And that's really important in life. 1654 01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,600 Is that what you think every time one of the podcast episodes 1655 01:08:31,609 --> 01:08:32,010 is? Bad. 1656 01:08:32,060 --> 01:08:35,410 No, Because unfortunately, maybe nothing's my fault. 1657 01:08:35,779 --> 01:08:38,740 I never went through that phase, so I just get to tell. 1658 01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:42,430 I did tell the people I'm like, God, they're lucky they got me. 1659 01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:45,700 And if, if that was me, I would have hated this podcast episode. 1660 01:08:47,859 --> 01:08:51,050 Yeah, so that's good. Jokes aside, I mean, when we're 1661 01:08:51,060 --> 01:08:52,990 serious with all three minutes, wanna say jokes, that's why. 1662 01:08:53,069 --> 01:08:54,979 Yeah, but it's absolutely true and I think. 1663 01:08:54,990 --> 01:08:57,109 You gotta be careful. You got me really care but but 1664 01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,870 but like you're right and I think sometimes though what is 1665 01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:05,100 still acceptable, some parents might find wrong. 1666 01:09:05,149 --> 01:09:08,100 Yeah and and and whether it's acceptable or not, you'd never 1667 01:09:08,109 --> 01:09:10,020 want to cross that line because you wanna work with the parent. 1668 01:09:10,069 --> 01:09:12,580 So you've got to just pick and choose your things and and just 1669 01:09:12,590 --> 01:09:17,819 make sure everything's rooted in truth, reason and help. 1670 01:09:18,090 --> 01:09:20,660 Like, if you're doing something to be spiteful, what are you 1671 01:09:20,670 --> 01:09:22,240 doing as a teacher? You're gonna get caught out. 1672 01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:24,979 And yeah, more for you. Genuinely. 1673 01:09:25,020 --> 01:09:26,180 I tried everything I tried to do. 1674 01:09:26,189 --> 01:09:28,120 Try to be constructive. And sometimes, yeah, the truth 1675 01:09:28,130 --> 01:09:30,100 hurts a little bit. Well, I'm dripping. 1676 01:09:30,569 --> 01:09:33,939 We're over an hour. So what we call it, well, over 1677 01:09:33,950 --> 01:09:35,920 an hour. I think we had one jingo in that 1678 01:09:35,930 --> 01:09:37,970 whole thing. Yeah guys, one edit as well 1679 01:09:37,979 --> 01:09:39,590 where you made a mistake. You spat on my face. 1680 01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,859 Actually, I did actually. I'm sorry about that, but I'm 1681 01:09:41,870 --> 01:09:46,240 thinking next week, potentially, yeah, because the man's coming 1682 01:09:46,250 --> 01:09:49,160 tomorrow to mention out. Ohh, I wanna know. 1683 01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,029 Although this is kind of answering the question for me, 1684 01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:55,150 I'm gonna go back to my room. Yeah I've enjoyed face to face. 1685 01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,100 I really wanna know what people think cause we had some feedback 1686 01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:58,570 and it was good. I want more. 1687 01:09:58,620 --> 01:10:00,490 So genuinely, yeah, face to face. 1688 01:10:01,170 --> 01:10:03,120 How did you find the episode and if it was worse? 1689 01:10:04,130 --> 01:10:06,880 Tell us, just be honest long term, cause long term if you 1690 01:10:06,890 --> 01:10:09,270 really like it we would, we would quite like to actually set 1691 01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,240 up a bit of a studio. Yeah with the equipment we've 1692 01:10:11,250 --> 01:10:13,160 got we just need a different location. 1693 01:10:13,230 --> 01:10:16,250 Someone I know actually just bought a new house so everyone 1694 01:10:16,260 --> 01:10:18,810 might have some room, I don't know. 1695 01:10:18,850 --> 01:10:20,180 Do you know him? No. 1696 01:10:20,220 --> 01:10:22,500 No. God, I bet he's stressed though. 1697 01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:24,450 Yeah, he told me, moving on the last day. 1698 01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,730 Horrible Guy, moaning mother kids. 1699 01:10:29,260 --> 01:10:31,860 You know you got no friends. Never tell you what, very 1700 01:10:31,870 --> 01:10:34,470 quickly, no matter how stressed you get as a teacher, this kids 1701 01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:37,460 come through the door, bang, yeah, straight back onto it. 1702 01:10:37,470 --> 01:10:38,730 Horrible. Horrible shooting straight. 1703 01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:43,230 But when they're back onto it, I forget about it. 1704 01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,620 Yeah, I really do. Like they're so funny. 1705 01:10:45,630 --> 01:10:46,630 I love them, yeah. So good. 1706 01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,990 I look at them, I see they, they look to me like just marking. 1707 01:10:50,090 --> 01:10:51,740 I see. Just like their face just blurs 1708 01:10:51,750 --> 01:10:54,160 into a book and I'm sort of seething thinking I've got a 1709 01:10:54,170 --> 01:10:58,530 mark that later every single one of you is another green. 1710 01:10:58,540 --> 01:10:59,810 Tick. Yeah. 1711 01:10:59,820 --> 01:11:07,390 Put three lessons today. Look, anyway, I did enjoy that 1712 01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,270 and I hope people found it useful not only just to think, 1713 01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:12,730 ohh, I'm doing a good job. Yeah, I'm doing this. 1714 01:11:12,740 --> 01:11:13,710 I'm doing. That and also that. 1715 01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:14,870 We're doing a good job. Yeah, yeah. 1716 01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:15,590 Please tell. Us. 1717 01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:16,630 How much of a good job we're doing? 1718 01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:18,960 But you know the people, they want to talk to me when I go to 1719 01:11:18,970 --> 01:11:21,170 canteen, yeah. I think it's time we go for a 1720 01:11:21,180 --> 01:11:25,020 shower. I'm already having a shower feel 1721 01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:27,520 like and and this is true. I've just looked at them. 1722 01:11:27,530 --> 01:11:30,220 I've got wrinkly fingers like I've been in the in the swimming 1723 01:11:30,230 --> 01:11:34,560 for too. Long ohh wow. 1724 01:11:34,570 --> 01:11:36,070 Like a prune. Your mum's going to start 1725 01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:37,680 thinking you got hand problems as well. 1726 01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:40,680 Don't tell him if it's a condition, but his hands are 1727 01:11:40,690 --> 01:11:44,410 like prunes and he's not been in the bath Anyway guys, listen, go 1728 01:11:44,420 --> 01:11:46,420 and check out our episodes as the good stuff in the past. 1729 01:11:46,430 --> 01:11:48,400 We have some really good guests on as well and there are some of 1730 01:11:48,410 --> 01:11:50,760 my favourites out. We're gonna get some more guests 1731 01:11:50,770 --> 01:11:52,470 on soon, which had a little bit of a break because we had so 1732 01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:55,780 many in such a short time. We kind of as we always do. 1733 01:11:55,790 --> 01:11:58,200 We get a bit obsessed. We exhausted everyone we spoke 1734 01:11:58,210 --> 01:11:59,840 to and it was summer. Quick people checking out 1735 01:11:59,850 --> 01:12:01,840 summer, You've moved house. I've got a few lined up. 1736 01:12:02,500 --> 01:12:03,320 Have you? Yeah. 1737 01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:04,170 Nice. Let's go. 1738 01:12:04,180 --> 01:12:05,470 That's a lie. See you later, guys. 1739 01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:07,690 Alright, see you later. It's a lie. 1740 01:12:07,750 --> 01:12:08,350 It's not really.