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Hop little Bunny hop, hop, hop, 
hop, little Bunny hop hop. 

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Ohh, sorry within the podcast 
not singing to our children the 

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same nursery around for the 57th
time of the day. 

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Right, right, right. 
Look, we recording, recording. 

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Hello guys. 
Welcome back to another episode 

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of Teach sleep. 
Repeat. 

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My name is Hop. 
My name is Little Bunny. 

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Oh my gosh, it's infiltrated on 
mine. 

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It's Easter. 
I know, I know, It's like the 

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only time of the year where it's
now acceptable to sing that song

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because I've been singing that 
about you for about 6 months. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
And yeah, Rory starts bouncing 

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before it's even, but nothing's 
on. 

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And they'll just start looking 
at me like bouncing. 

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I was like, do you want hot 
Little Bunny to play? 

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And they'll be like, yes. 
So I put it on Spotify and we 

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hop Little Bunny, hop up, up. 
And then the bunnies sleep. 

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Yeah. 
And he goes on the floor. 

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How many head down? 
How many times do you listen to 

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it before you start crying? 
What's the order of cut off? 

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Because mine's about. 
Three. 

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I think initially it was about 3
and then I got over it because I

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got to like 57 and I was like, 
I'm just a robot now, no. 

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It's your favourite. 
I'm just a robot. 

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It's it reminds you of that 
severance. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
So Oh my God, it's so good. 

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So good. 
Like, I know we're not, I know 

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we're a teaching podcast, but 
let's just digress for a second 

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because if you haven't watched 
Severance, it's probably my 

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favourite show since early Game 
of Thrones. 

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Wow. 
That's big. 

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That's big, yeah. 
Genuinely I I love the concept. 

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I yeah, actually I enjoyed it. 
A. 

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Lot so so we explain the concept
very quickly for anyone who 

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hasn't watched it. 
The concept is severance is like

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this procedure you can get and 
it's it's basically a a 

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commentary about like the 
corporate world and how 

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horrendous it is. 
And you can choose to go to this

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company called Lumen and get the
severance procedure, which 

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essentially splits your brain in
half so you don't split in half.

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Your physical body is the same 
at all times, but you walk into 

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work, get into an elevator, and 
as you move to what's called the

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severance floor where you do 
your work, you flip. 

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So your brain flips 
consciousness to your new 

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consciousness you've created to 
do your work. 

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So the point being you've you've
essentially created a new being,

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a new soul is the whole like, 
idea of the show. 

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Yeah. 
It's like, how much, how much 

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rights do these new people have?
But the horrendous thing when 

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you actually think about it is 
from the point of view of the 

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person on the outside, it's 
great because you go to work in 

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the morning and then from your 
point of view, you go in the 

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elevator and you immediately 
step out of the elevator after 

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doing your day of work. 
So you don't think about work. 8

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hours has just passed. 
And for you, it's immediate. 

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So yeah, you might lose some of 
your life, but you're at work 

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and you hate work, so why would 
you not just cut your brain off?

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But then on the flip side, the 
person you've created inside, 

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who is still you, but a 
different consciousness, who 

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doesn't have any idea of what's 
going on, they only ever exist 

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in work. 
So they walk out the elevator to

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do their work, finish their day 
of work, go to the elevator, and

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immediately come back out again 
for the next day of work. 

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Yeah, they don't get to sleep. 
No, they they literally only 

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exist in work mode. 
It's a really, really cool show.

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It's on Apple TV, so yeah, if 
you haven't watched it already, 

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like definitely watch it. 
Yeah. 

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Can you, Can you imagine? 
Can you imagine it for teacher? 

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Would you do it? 
Would you do it? 

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Well, having watched the show, I
feel like I feel bad for my 

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inner self. 
Yeah, doing only work. 

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Yeah, imagine that. 
Imagine. 

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Imagine. 
Oh my God. 

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I mean, some teachers do this. 
Imagine. 

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Imagine defining your entire 
life only by teaching. 

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Imagine like every single waking
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Existence. 
Wait, what? 

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You don't just go home, sleep 
and come back. 

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Maybe I am 7. 
Yeah, sleep is your severance. 

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You're having a great time, but 
you sleep. 

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Yeah. 
Oh, no, I, I don't. 

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I don't think I could do. 
That no, no, I just. 

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I couldn't do it. 
It would be hell for the for the

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inside me who doesn't get a 
break you imagine. 

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Like, Oh my God, it's kind of 
you're so over stimulated. 

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I just need to just need to 
decompress and just stepping out

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the door and then being back 
with the kids. 

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Go, Sir, Sir, Sir. 
Oh my God. 

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I did this last night. 
It is last night. 

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I can't believe. 
It ohh God yeah, that's nasty. 

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It's nice, well worth a watch 
though. 

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It's one of those things where 
you can get a 7 day free trial 

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to Apple TV, get it in at a 
point now in half term, which 

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we're in, yeah, where you know, 
you can binge. 

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It exactly what I did by the 
way, did I? 

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Did I tell you that I did 
actually manage to watch season 

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1 and two in the seven? 
That's incredible. 

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That's 20. 
In term time I was staying up so

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late like I have to watch. 
This. 

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So you did 20 hours of TV? 
Yeah, well, not in a week. 

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Some. 
Of them are like 30 minutes. 

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Long they're. 
Different. 

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They're about 30 to 50 minutes. 
And then there's like the odd 

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one that's like. 
An hour The finale was like an 

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hour finale was like a. 
Feature like films like it was 

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so long, Yeah. 
It's unbelievable. 

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Yeah. 
So yeah, watch it. 

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Watch it. 
Yeah, that's for sure. 

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Yeah, definitely watch 
Severance. 

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Anyway, other than that, all 
good this week, yeah. 

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I'm a bit scarred still. 
Yeah, two point O. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Go on. 

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Yeah, people might have not 
listened, I don't know. 

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But a few weeks ago we mentioned
how Hayden has had his bathroom 

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done, Didn't put a lock on his 
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You can all wonder what might 
happen when a bathroom door 

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doesn't have a lock on it. 
I accidentally walked in on his 

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girlfriend on the toilet, so 
I'll get back. 

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Might ran out quick. 
I was laughing about it. 

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That's funny. 
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Just before we recorded that 
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Episode. 
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like ghostly, like, oh gosh, 
done can believe it. 

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This morning you went to the 
toilet famously, you can take up

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to half an hour. 
So I was like, cool, we'll we'll

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do the podcast later on. 
I guess I'll just sit here and 

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wait for them to finish on the 
toilet is. 

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What they here for isn't. 
It this is a. 

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Revelling in this. 
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the landing and someone going 
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I was like, OK, that's Hayden. 
He's gone to get a drink or 

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something. 
We're ready to do that. 

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I'll just go and blow my nose 
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So I went out, open the door. 
There you are, sat in the 

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toilet, bum out and everything. 
Just sat there having a boot. 

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Yeah, well, you. 
I should hope so. 

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If you're going to the toilet, 
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Out, I'm out suggests that like 
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You think I'm going to the 
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No, you just you could see the 
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Hello. 
You're so calm. 

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And I was like, so that's 2 for 
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infant who constantly poos and 
gets a nappy change. 

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Yeah. 
So I've now seen all three of. 

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You have a poo poo in this 
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Yeah, literally. 
That's that's an achievement, I 

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think. 
I think so. 

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I think that's like a level of 
of closeness that you don't 

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really get of many people. 
Yeah, that most people don't 

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want. 
No, I don't. 

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Most people wouldn't want. 
Most people don't even think 

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about as a thing. 
No, no, well, you don't go to 

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the I never even thought about 
who I've seen to go to The Who 

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have you seen go to the toilet 
listeners? 

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Just think now because I bet the
only only people you're close to

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really have you seen go to the 
toilet. 

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Has it ever happened at work 
where someones not locked the 

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door? 
Because I've had it a couple of 

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times. 
Not me where I've I've gotten 

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into the toilet and someone else
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the door. 
What? 

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On the toilet. 
Yeah, adults, like, no, yeah, 

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yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Oh my God. 

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But a couple of times in my 
career, and obviously it's 

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mortifyingly embarrassing for 
that person, isn't it? 

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I'm just you walking in. 
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I just feel awkward, 'cause I'm 
like, crikey, I walked in my 

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toilet. 
God, no, Never. 

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I felt like I was quite. 
I thought that would be quite 

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normal. 
I just forget to lock the door. 

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Is that why you still haven't 
got a locker in your bathroom 

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door? 
You're like that's quite normal.

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It's quite normal. 
Come in, come in. 

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What do the podcast on the new 
come on, come in, guys should do

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that. 
No, absolutely not never ever, 

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ever, ever. 
So this week very common in the 

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well, I say this week, what 
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week of term before Easter is 
very common for a parents 

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evening and we had our parents 
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How did you find it? 
Like what what your initial 

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reactions. 
Let's talk, parents. 

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Evening. 
I had the probably the most like

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straightforward positive parents
of nothing I've ever had I. 

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Think you might have said that 
last time as. 

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Well, did I? 
Well, maybe I've had a few in a 

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but they say this is the same 
same cohort, same year, but 

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like, I don't know if I feel 
like every year like there's at 

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least one maybe like a slightly 
difficult conversation. 

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Honest, honestly, I had a blast.
It was like I just, everyone was

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so nice. 
I didn't have any troubles at 

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all. 
There was no conversation that 

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made me think a bit like, oh, 
I've got to prepare for this. 

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I've got to deliver some bad 
news. 

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It was just fine. 
I had a really nice time. 

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How nice is it when you know you
can just sit there for 10 

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minutes and essentially big up 
their child and how well they've

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done that? 
I see that as my role at Parents

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Evening because to be honest 
with you, if I think about 

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anything negative that I've got 
to say, it's so rare that the 

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first time I'm ever going to say
that is when we're at Parents 

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Evening sat in front of the of 
the parents. 

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Because I think it, it does. 
I don't like using this word 

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because there are probably some 
instances where it's fine, but 

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it does feel a bit 
unprofessional that it would 

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feel from the parents point of 
view that you've waited three 

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months to mention something 
that's quite important. 

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Well, if I, if I put in put 
yourself in their shoes, if I 

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was going to parents evening 
with River and they were like, 

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Oh yeah, she's been she's been a
nightmare all year. 

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And I and I and they hadn't told
me at any point that her 

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behaviour was bad. 
I would be like, oh, like could 

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you have told me that sort of 
anytime before now so I could 

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maybe have helped that. 
Are you giving me a description 

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of what's happening or are we 
going to talk about how we can 

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fix it? 
Because it sounds as if you're 

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just saying she's a nightmare 
and. 

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Yeah, and you haven't talked 
about it. 

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Try and fix it. 
Yeah, I agree. 

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Our head teachers quite like 
that as well, as he always says,

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you know, no surprises. 
Apparently if you've got 

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something you know there's 
something that's unbelievably, 

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urgently negative to say, then 
you probably should have 

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addressed it. 
At some point, and if you 

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haven't do it the week before, 
you know what I mean? 

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Like if you haven't just saved 
beforehand, just have that semi 

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difficult conversation because 
the last thing you want in a 

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timed zone where you've got 10 
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something down and the parents 
are like, well let's try and 

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sort this out then. 
Yeah, sure. 

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Not now though. 
By 10 minutes is up, got the 

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next person waiting. 
It's just not the environment 

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for that. 
It's the environment for quick 

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catch UPS, positive 
reinforcement, yeah, yeah. 

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And a couple of next steps that 
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And then it's, it's not the 
environment for oh gosh, this 

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thing's completely unhinged by. 
Yeah, agree. 

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How was your time keeping this 
time? 

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evening time keeping and I I 

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know I shouldn't because it's 
like you can't control it 

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sometimes and parents just won't
go or something like that. 

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But I really, really, really 
pride myself on in later on in 

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my career, especially being 
wrapping things up and being 

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able to sense times coming to an
end, sense a parent might not 

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actually naturally just go and 
be like, OK, so yeah, overall 

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really, really good. 
Like, I just want them to carry 

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on doing what they're doing and 
we'll keep doing our job. 

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Nice one, my job share is really
good at using body language like

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I'm always really impressed. 
Just stands up, walks out. 

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Yeah. 
No, no. 

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But she does, it's so 
impressive. 

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I look at her sometimes I'm 
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Like she I said, yeah, it's 
brilliant. 

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So yeah. 
And she'll start moving. 

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Yeah, start getting up. 
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fantastic. 
And just that like that movement

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of like starting to get up, it's
just a signal to everyone's 

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subconsciously is, oh, this is 
finishing now and everyone 

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starts getting up while still 
talking. 

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It's like before you realise it,
we're all standing up and it's 

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like, oh, you're leaving now. 
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really impressive how you use 
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Do you still use a timer? 
Because you tend, you said in 

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the past you've had like a 
little timer. 

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Yeah, no, I just use the clock 
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right. 
So I just, I use that clock 

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internally where I'm like if 
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like, we need to wrap it up now 
just to keep time. 

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And, and it's it's not that I 
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the parents, it's just that you 
don't want to have later on that

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in in your parents evening 
someone waiting for 20. 

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Minutes. 
Yeah, it's awkward, isn't? 

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It but we, we, we kind of we 
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when we were coming towards our 
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overran and it just, it 
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you get less of a break. 
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then you get 6 hours then we 
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So we we got there. 
It was fine. 

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But yeah, in general, I mean, I 
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always, always enjoy parents 
Evening. 

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I think what I will say is, and 
I'm going to bring this up again

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because I think we brought this 
up last time, I don't know what 

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the best way to do parenting is.
Like how do you effectively talk

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to that many parents as maybe 
when you sometimes teach English

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and master different children as
well as your class of 30 

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children? 
What's the best way of doing it?

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Do you do it in one swoop where 
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in the evening and just you get 
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Do you spread it out and have 
later evenings that don't go 

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quite as late but for a few 
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Do you close school for half a 
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and just see where that takes 
you? 

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I don't know. 
And I I just think it's one of 

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those things where you could 
just have to suck it up and bear

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it for a couple of times a year.
I don't know if there's a good 

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way of doing it. 
I think, I think it is kind of 

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absurd the idea that that 
schools, our school does this 

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and then we, our star, our star 
voted for it. 

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So it's like whatever, but 
working till like 99 PM like 

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that. 
So our parents evening is at the

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end of a full school day from 
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And luckily, fortunately for us,
it's on Thursday. 

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And we we're because we have job
share, we're part time. 

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We're not in on in the day on 
Thursday anyway. 

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So for us it's just going in 
parents evening. 

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But I get there, my job share, 
she's finished a whole day of 

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work and she's exhausted. 
I got there yesterday and my 

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team honestly were knackered. 
Like I looked them all and they 

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were like they were all just 
like, I can't I can't fathom the

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idea that I've now do another 
six hours of like think of a 

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hence work, the talking parents 
as well on top of that whole 

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school day. 
So I don't think I don't think 

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that's the best way of doing it.
In all honesty. 

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I think there has to be a token 
from the school to be like, it 

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starts at 1:00. 
Sure, OK, not every parent can 

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get in. 
I get it. 

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The whole point is most people 
work because they can't get in. 

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But some can because I've been 
at schools where it happens and 

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there's always parents there at 
1:00. 

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They can do it and then and then
then it goes on later. 

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But it maybe it finishes at 7 
rather than 9. 

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I don't know, you know, and then
you know, it's just a few more 

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hours back of your day. 
I think there's a middle ground 

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somewhere, but you do kind of 
have to suck it up because it's,

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yeah, it's just a, it's just a 
challenge. 

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But you only do it normally 
twice a year. 

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Once a year for some schools, 
yeah. 

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So, and, and like I said, it's, 
it's so rare that it's 

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horrendous the act of doing it. 
Yeah, yeah, it's. 

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Not so, you know, it's just, 
it's just long. 

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One one thing I find really 
awkward, and I know you have 

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opinions on this as well, so I'd
like to hear what you think is, 

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is the content in which you talk
about on parents evening. 

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And I'd love to I please write 
in to us because I really want 

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to know how what people talk 
about on parents evening because

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I find it a bit cringy when I 
spend end up spending the 

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majority of my time talking 
about very specific areas of 

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maths and grammar and English. 
She's fantastic at using the 

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progressive tense. 
But just needs to work on using 

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subjunctive form in her writing.
I, I, I honestly die a little 

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bit inside. 
But because like we have a 

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system of like that's stupid. 
We give each other notes for 

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maths and English and things. 
And I'm like, Oh, I just, I just

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don't think that any parent. 
And if they do a very small 

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minority actually care and want 
to hear about like the specific 

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like parts of, I don't know, 
like elements of, oh, they're, 

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they're doing great in place 
value, but they just need to, 

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they just work on fractions with
different denominators more 

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knowing that you as a teacher, 
like you're the person doing 

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that. 
You're obviously going to do 

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that at school. 
I find it a little bit awkward 

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and I always think, do parents 
just want to hear how well their

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kids are getting on, like how 
happy they are? 

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Like what? 
Where is the middle ground? 

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What do you think we should be 
talking about our parents? 

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Evening. 
It reminds me of when you write 

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a report at the end of the year 
and you include what clubs they 

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go to. 
Yeah, I know. 

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I signed up for them and I 
picked them up from the club. 

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It's like they go to, they go to
football club, they do maths 

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everyday. 
Yeah, they do it. 

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I know that's not very helpful. 
They need to work on the 

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curriculum. 
I, I think there's an overlap 

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of, of people who you're kind of
dismissing a bit when we say 

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this, which are the people who 
don't necessarily obviously 

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don't understand the subjunctive
form and, and can't help with 

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that, you know, attainment, but 
kind of do like to hear the 

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teacher say, we've been doing 
this and they're doing it well. 

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And so you like what you know, 
if you go to the doctors, you 

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might not necessarily understand
what your doctor's saying in 

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terms of, well, I measured your 
cortisol levels and that's all 

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good. 
The fact it's good is enough for

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you to be like, oh, OK, I don't 
need to understand all of this, 

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but that's nice to hear. 
So we've been learning a lot 

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about frontal adverbials and, 
and expanding our sentences to 

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make them more detailed using 
conjunctions and leaving stuff 

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on that 10 second sentence for a
parent can be enough to be like,

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oh, that's, I don't understand 
that. 

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But that's good to hear. 
You're doing these things that I

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don't necessarily understand, 
but my child's getting on well 

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with them. 
I think I think you have a point

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where if you're sat at parents 
evening saying, oh, and and 

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yeah, little Johnny does really 
struggled with those 

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subordinating conjunctions. 
So if you could just do a bit of

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that, that's pointless. 
Yeah, that's pointless. 

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If you say, if a doctor said to 
you, can you just reduce your 

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cortisol, you'd be like, what on
earth are you talking about? 

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Like that's not helpful in 
itself. 

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So I think hearing that you're 
doing well and subject specific 

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language is fine. 
I think expecting parents to 

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take something in and do 
something about it is where we 

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lead to the there's definitely. 
A line isn't there because there

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are some things they can do, 
like with reading. 

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I guess reading's the one I 
cringe at most because I think 

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it's quite easy to be like, Oh 
yeah, they just need to work on 

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their infant skills. 
But their their retrieval's 

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really good and and summarising 
questions that they that's 

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that's not parents worry about 
what? 

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No, all we need to say is right 
for reading from in my opinion 

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of like the perfect parents 
leaving to me would be a minute 

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no more on like the academic 
stuff of like they're sort of 

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working at average level in 
maths. 

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We're expected. 
They're doing really well. 

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We're work, you know, keep 
working on the timetables 

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because that'll help them get a 
bit better and maybe practise 

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some fluency at home in reading.
They're slightly below average. 

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That's what age expected. 
So can you just just just 

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encourage them a bit more to 
read? 

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We'll do the same thing at 
school. 

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Sure. 
And we'll do the specific stuff 

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in. 
Yeah, yeah, we'll just, but not 

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sitting there being like, yeah. 
So in their in their test, you 

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know, they're scoring 24 out of 
50. 

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You know, they needed three more
marks in that test. 

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So maybe if they could work on 
sort of those inference skills, 

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they're doing quite well with 
the retrieval, but the inference

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I'm not well. 
Yeah. 

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This, I don't know, just just 
say like, OK, this is this is 

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roughly where they are. 
They're either doing all right 

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or they're behind or they're 
significantly above in these 

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subjects. 
If they're if they're 

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significantly behind, that's 
when I'll start coming in and 

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being like, here's something you
could maybe do about it. 

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But obviously, obviously we're 
the main body of people who are 

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going to do something about 
that. 

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We are the school. 
Yeah, And it just feels awkward.

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It's it is, it is tricky. 
I know what you mean. 

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Because we're just doing our job
and they're going to make 

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progress. 
I I literally answered the 

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question at parents, even this 
time of a parent said what can 

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we do at home? 
And it was that generic. 

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It was like, it was a nice 
positive, like a session where 

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we said getting on really well, 
doing the right things, it's all

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good. 
And they said, what can we do at

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home? 
And my answer was essentially 

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nothing. 
Like my answer was just like, 

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honestly, if, if, if your child 
cracks on doing what they're 

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doing, they're going to make 
progress. 

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And the reason they're going to 
make progress is because they're

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so well-rounded as an 
individual. 

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That's the, that's the number 
one thing I think that we can do

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at home with our kids before we 
send them to school is if your 

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child's polite, courteous, hard 
working, respectful, nice to be 

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around, happy, and that comes 
from home and we try and keep 

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that at school, that child 
almost always will make 

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progress. 
That child will do like what, 

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what no matter where they're at.
They might not be a greater 

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depth academically, they might 
be a bit lower. 

448
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But if they do all of those 
things, I can think of so many 

449
00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,400
children over the years who've 
struggled a bit with their maths

450
00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:54,560
or their English or their 
reading. 

451
00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,400
But my goodness, me across the 
year, they've made so much 

452
00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,560
progress because they're the 
loveliest kid that I've ever 

453
00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,520
met. 
And when it comes to parents 

454
00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,680
evening and when it comes to 
what we can do to our next 

455
00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,600
generation, honestly, the number
one thing we can do is have 

456
00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,040
well-rounded kids with with 
those personality traits. 

457
00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,840
That is going to have so much 
more of an impact than me saying

458
00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,360
to someone, Oh, well, you know 
what, they're a bit disruptive 

459
00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:17,120
in lessons, actually. 
But if you could just work on 

460
00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:19,000
that subjunctive form, that 
would be fantastic. 

461
00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,080
Now, to be honest with you, it, 
it's, it is the personality and 

462
00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,840
the, you know, well roundedness 
of the child and the happiness 

463
00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,320
of the child. 
And if they're having social 

464
00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,040
issues in school, that's 
something we can step in and fix

465
00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,040
straight away. 
It's, it's that that's more 

466
00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,800
important to me because it's my 
job to do the academic side. 

467
00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:37,880
We're going to do the academic 
side. 

468
00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,800
That's the part that we have 
less control over. 

469
00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,720
That ultimately has the biggest 
impact on their outcomes. 

470
00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,040
Yeah, I agree. 
I think that's fantastic and and

471
00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:50,360
just for feeling good, I guess. 
So like one of my last 

472
00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:54,160
appointments of parents 
evenings, this is like 8820, I 

473
00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:55,160
think at this point where it's 
at. 

474
00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,440
Dad came in of this kid and this
kid in my class, I'm thinking, 

475
00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,840
oh, she is, she is the classic 
like if you had a class of 32 of

476
00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,600
this child, your job will be a 
dream. 

477
00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,080
Like she's so lovely and just 
get some of everything like 

478
00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,000
academically, just completely 
fine. 

479
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,320
And honestly all areas like just
easy, easygoing. 

480
00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,080
And dad came in and this was 
refreshing to my ears because I 

481
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,320
was sort of thinking, this is 
how I think and I wish everyone 

482
00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,440
was like this. 
He sat down and he was like, 

483
00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,040
just so you know, I and he did 
swear a little bit, but I always

484
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,360
swear on the podcast. 
I don't give a monkeys, I'll 

485
00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:28,520
replace the word. 
I don't really give a monkeys 

486
00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,240
about the sort of maths in 
English. 

487
00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:31,720
Like I actually don't really 
care at all. 

488
00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,280
He was like, the only thing I 
care about is how is if my 

489
00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,920
child's happy, how she's getting
on, if she's polite. 

490
00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,560
Basically everything you just 
said there. 

491
00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,720
This parent came in and said 
just so you know, and he had the

492
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,080
he had the Gump to say that a 
lot of parents think it, but 

493
00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,840
they don't want to rude like 
professional conversation. 

494
00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:46,200
He was just a bit more like 
outgoing. 

495
00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:47,680
Yeah, I don't care about any of 
that stuff. 

496
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,000
So please don't waste my time 
with it. 

497
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,720
Can you just tell me how she is 
as a human being? 

498
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,320
And basically because then 
because I know she'll be 

499
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,440
learning if she's happy at 
school. 

500
00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,600
And I was like, I, I literally 
said, well, I said, well, that's

501
00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,800
refreshing to me. 
And I said, OK, cool, let's 

502
00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,360
scrap these notes. 
Then I was like, just so you 

503
00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:04,560
know, she's expected across the 
board, pushing greater depth in 

504
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,080
every subject. 
So there you go. 

505
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,720
What else do you need to know 
about that? 

506
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,360
I could sit here and read you a 
bunch of notes that we've 

507
00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:12,200
written about the specific areas
that she's quite good at and the

508
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:13,840
areas that she's not good at, 
which funnily enough are the 

509
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,280
ones we haven't taught yet, but 
I won't. 

510
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,960
And we just had a 5 minute 
conversation about how nice this

511
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,200
child was and, and like very 
specific situations in school 

512
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,080
where she's been kind. 
Where she's been generous, where

513
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,400
she's like stayed level headed 
in like a challenging situation.

514
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,320
Then we talked about her social 
side of her life and we really 

515
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,160
went in depth into like her 
friendship and how she feels at 

516
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,920
home about some of like some 
conflict that she'd have with a 

517
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,800
friend that I didn't know about.
And I was like, Oh my God, like 

518
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,080
this is what I this is the 
conversation I think everyone 

519
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,480
wants to have. 
Yeah, and and it becomes then 

520
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,280
more of a conversation and less 
of a lecture. 

521
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,680
So parents consultation evenings
to me are the best when you are 

522
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,760
learning things about the child 
from the parent and the parent 

523
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,960
are learning things about their 
child from you and you come to 

524
00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:57,560
together to be moulding and 
helping the children as much as 

525
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,440
they can. 
When it comes to academics, 

526
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,960
that's one sided. 
That's really one sided. 

527
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,600
That's me lecturing to you what 
we're doing and how you can help

528
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,840
that. 
That has its place, but it's not

529
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,800
particularly helpful in this in 
this aspect. 

530
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,360
Do you know where that would be 
helpful? 

531
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,040
When I'm talking to my partner, 
teacher or SLT, that's when we 

532
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,360
can talk academics and how 
useful this is and how we can 

533
00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:17,800
move on. 
And the children are really 

534
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,520
struggling with spelling. 
So let's have do something about

535
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,360
spelling. 
That's a conversation at parents

536
00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:24,560
Evening. 
A conversation is the child 

537
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,560
holistically, Yeah, that's how 
we're going to get the most 

538
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,200
progress and the best impact on 
that child and make them happier

539
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,120
and. 
Better and it gives them a 

540
00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:32,240
chance in that moment then if 
there are challenges for that 

541
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,560
child so they are significantly 
behind in something whether it's

542
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,760
social or academic is a chance 
for them then to say OK cool So 

543
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,040
what are we all doing about it 
what are you doing about it as a

544
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,880
school OK well actually we've 
got them in these three 

545
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,800
different intervention groups 
that are really targeted for 

546
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,200
this thing and we're really 
trying We've seen a bit of 

547
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,440
progress there that's what we've
done I'm not going to sit here 

548
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:48,840
and tell you all of the 
intricate things we've done in 

549
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,280
that intervention. 
I'm just going to tell you that 

550
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,360
we're providing support for your
child What are you doing at 

551
00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:53,440
home? 
Oh, you're doing this you're 

552
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:54,680
doing extra reading with them 
brilliant. 

553
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:55,920
We've seen them impact of that 
in school. 

554
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,760
This is working well this 
relationship because we are 

555
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,480
raising this child almost. 
Like a village takes a village. 

556
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,640
Together it is because we're 
spending 8 hours a day with that

557
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,000
man, 6 hours a day or whatever, 
with your child, with your child

558
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,120
like five days a week. 
And they're and they're 

559
00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:10,560
important to us and we care 
about them and, and it makes 

560
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,240
such an impact that again, they 
will finish off this chat. 

561
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,280
But on this kind of holistic 
view, the nicest comments we 

562
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,520
ever get from parents, even from
me as a teacher personally, are 

563
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,280
where parents say something 
along the lines of, wow, you 

564
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,160
really know my child. 
I've done my job so much that 

565
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,960
makes me warm inside. 
You really understand my child 

566
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,040
and you've never had it before 
where you say something like, 

567
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,480
oh, and. 
And and I knew he'd think that 

568
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,320
that was unfair. 
And I I spoke to him about it. 

569
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:39,600
And the parent goes, oh, yeah, 
he would. 

570
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,120
And the parents are like, yeah, 
you know, you know how he feels 

571
00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:44,680
that that is how we get you get 
this person. 

572
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,480
And they're the powerful 
moments. 

573
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,200
And there's where we have an 
impact on a move. 

574
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,920
I think the attainment, the 
chats like that, I think you're 

575
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:53,480
right. 
They go. 

576
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:54,800
Do you know what they go in? 
Reports. 

577
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,840
Yeah, that's what reports are 
for, in my opinion. 

578
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,960
When it comes to like academic 
stuff, just bang it in a report.

579
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,960
Honestly, I don't want to sit 
there and awkwardly talk about 5

580
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,960
minutes and you know them well. 
Not not just when parents are 

581
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:06,680
fundamentally about how well you
know them. 

582
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,760
It's when they get a little 
Malteser Bunny. 

583
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,840
It's happened to me and they put
it down on the desk at the end 

584
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,720
of it and say thank you for 
teaching my child and I'm like 

585
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,440
you. 
Straight in the mouth at 7:30. 

586
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,080
You didn't say anything because 
you had a mouth full. 

587
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,440
Yeah. 
Yeah, that Malteser Bunny. 

588
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,960
So that was a that was a nice 
treat on the parents evening 

589
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,720
this week. 
Oh man. 

590
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,840
But yeah, it's, it's lovely. 
I think 10 years in the job has 

591
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,280
helped me mould that mindset. 
If anyone's listening now going,

592
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,440
oh, I really don't never think 
that way or or do that you're at

593
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:34,440
a different point in your 
career. 

594
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,160
Maybe because you know, there 
was definitely a point where I'd

595
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,800
sit there and be like, I'm going
to write really detailed notes 

596
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,080
about where everyone is. 
I've just found over the years 

597
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,520
and maybe maybe having Rory has 
helped in the last couple of 

598
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,480
years where I think to myself, 
if I went to my son's parents 

599
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,040
evening, what would I truly care
about? 

600
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,080
Maybe it's a privileged position
to know that I can help with 

601
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,840
academic stuff anyway, you know 
what I mean? 

602
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,560
Maybe that is true, but thank 
you. 

603
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,720
But But I think I would trust 
the school to be covering that. 

604
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,880
I want to know, is he happy? 
Yeah. 

605
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,960
I don't want my kid to be happy.
And if he's happy and courteous 

606
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,560
and kind, do you know what will 
happen? 

607
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,240
He'll sit well in his lessons, 
Listen to learn. 

608
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,160
Yeah, he'll learn any. 
It's what will happen as a 

609
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,440
result. 
Yeah, definitely. 

610
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:14,880
Brilliant. 
I love that. 

611
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,200
I love that chat. 
Let's go on to now the main 

612
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,560
marker episode then, because 
something else we're really 

613
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,200
passionate about and we do hope 
this comes through, is reducing 

614
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,840
workload for teachers to make 
people's lives better. 

615
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,680
OK, and and a big point there. 
We can look back at what we just

616
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,560
said. 
Don't spend half an hour writing

617
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,640
really detailed academic notes 
for parents evening. 

618
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,200
Just know your kids really well.
There you go. 

619
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,960
That's saved you a bit of time. 
That can be your nought .5 on 

620
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,560
this list because we've got 6 
things you can actually straight

621
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,720
away to reduce your workload. 
You can do it immediately. 

622
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:46,160
Let's dive into it hidden. 
All right, let's dive straight 

623
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,400
into six things we think you 
could do straight away. 

624
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,160
Because a big part of what we're
doing on this podcast is, yeah, 

625
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,840
calling out the crap and the 
rubbish and the stuff we think 

626
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,880
is nonsense, but also trying to 
give actual actionable things 

627
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,600
that you can do as well. 
So let's start straight away 

628
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,320
with number one. 
Use your professional judgement 

629
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,520
to question and push back policy
and ideas in your school. 

630
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,400
This is something you can do 
straight away. 

631
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,520
It's not necessarily something 
that's easy. 

632
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,560
Depending on your environment 
that you're in or your 

633
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,720
personality, you could be 
someone who wants to avoid what 

634
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,560
you see as conflict and that is 
completely, perfectly 

635
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,520
acceptable. 
But what you have to understand 

636
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,200
is that unless people in your 
school at the level of being 

637
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,880
teachers and class teachers, 
etcetera, are willing to do this

638
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,000
with leadership, then you will 
be in a school that constantly 

639
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,840
feels like they can roll out new
things again and again. 

640
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,760
And take advantage of your time 
as a teacher. 

641
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,160
Well, reflect on your school 
right now because I've been in a

642
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,160
few schools that I can think 
differently about, right? 

643
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,440
Are you in the kind of school 
where they do roll out a lot of 

644
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,080
new things that will impact your
workload, where all of the 

645
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,920
teachers moan behind the SLTS 
backs and moan to each other and

646
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,680
then don't do anything? 
Or are you in a school where 

647
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,160
people are actioning what we're 
saying here, which is where at 

648
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,840
least one teacher or a couple of
teachers, maybe they're the one 

649
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,440
that, you know, it's like, oh, 
they're the one that's going to 

650
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:04,640
say something. 
There's always seems to be 1 

651
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,240
teacher, isn't there? 
I think there's, I think there's

652
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,400
two in our school. 
Yeah, two. 

653
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,520
Yeah, we've got a few in our 
school, I think. 

654
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,120
No, I know. 
Brazen School. 

655
00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:13,600
It's good. 
But, you know, it's not brazen. 

656
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,160
It's not. 
I want to push back on this 

657
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,720
again. 
It winds me up because I know 

658
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,680
there will be some people who 
see me as, oh, that brash guy, 

659
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,120
chatting up again, chatting 
back. 

660
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,560
Yeah, because I'm a professional
and these policy rollouts are 

661
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,160
directly impacting me and the 
time I get to spend with my 

662
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,080
family. 
Yeah. 

663
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,840
So yes, of course I'm going to 
talk about it. 

664
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,040
It's not me being bolshie. 
How many times have you been 

665
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,280
fired because you had an opinion
exactly? 

666
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,680
How many times? 
Well, never, because of course. 

667
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,240
Luckily as well though, I do 
work in a school where that I 

668
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,280
can say these kinds of things 
and it's can be a professional 

669
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,280
discussion. 
It can be a hard discussion. 

670
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,320
And here's the fun thing. 
So do you. 

671
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,200
You all work in a school where 
you're allowed to do that. 

672
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,160
Yeah. 
And you're not going to get 

673
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,840
fired for having an opinion. 
Genuinely. 

674
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,920
You're allowed to push back. 
Like you were saying to me 

675
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,600
earlier about we need need to 
get out the mindset of the the 

676
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,840
head teacher is our head teacher
from when we're at school, I 

677
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:58,720
think. 
That's a problem. 

678
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,800
I I'm going to talk about this 
very quickly because I think 

679
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,920
that's a problem. 
I think that's a mindset we have

680
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,720
in school because we are 
teachers and we're in this kind 

681
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,640
of pyramid of power, if you want
to call it that way. 

682
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,680
And we are so ingrained in 
traditionally thinking, no, what

683
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,800
the teacher says goes, and 
that's important for many 

684
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,880
reasons. 
We then apply that to ourselves 

685
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,760
sometimes and we think, well, 
what the boss says goes. 

686
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,840
It's like, yeah, do you know 
what it does? 

687
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,200
I'm, I'm not here to argue that 
I have a boss and I'm asked to 

688
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,040
do things that I don't always 
want to do or think is helpful, 

689
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,480
but I will do them because 
they've justified it in a 

690
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,240
certain way. 
And you don't always have to 

691
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,520
agree. 
That's not what I'm saying. 

692
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,920
What I'm saying is though, when 
something is objectively mad and

693
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,400
is going to impact your work 
life balance in a contract 

694
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,720
you've got because you're a 
professional employee, just 

695
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,720
don't. 
Don't put yourself in the same 

696
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,120
grounds as the kids listening to
an adult telling what to do. 

697
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,720
You are in a completely 
different ground. 

698
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,720
You are a professional, you are 
a teacher. 

699
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,480
So when policy is implemented 
that directly effects how you 

700
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,440
teach your class and the 
planning you have to put in 

701
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,520
place and the work you have to 
do that you as professional deem

702
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,920
not reasonable or not having an 
impact enough to justify the 

703
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,800
time you put in. 
It is completely acceptable for 

704
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,320
you and your staff to get 
together and say no. 

705
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,840
We. 
Professionally, that's the only 

706
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,200
thing I'll add to that. 
It is completely acceptable for 

707
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,000
you to professionally kick back 
and, and put up a kick up a bit 

708
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,800
of a fuss and say no, this is 
not suitable. 

709
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,560
What's not acceptable is what 
happens a lot, which is you and 

710
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,680
your staff. 
I don't know. 

711
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,640
Then you go moan behind their 
back and then unprofessionally 

712
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,480
bring it up. 
And I don't know, I can't think 

713
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,440
of a really good example now of 
where it becomes unprofessional.

714
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,400
But like there are certain 
channels, there's certain ways 

715
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:40,640
you should talk to someone 
professionally. 

716
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,480
End of the day, like then 
they're not your parent head 

717
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,840
teacher isn't your parent that 
they're not your when you were a

718
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,560
kid and had a head teacher and 
you felt like they told you off 

719
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,080
like they were like your your 
parent. 

720
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,400
That's not what they are. 
They're just another human being

721
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,120
at the kind of you know that 
they are working a job like you 

722
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,080
are. 
They're just doing a different 

723
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,560
managerial role. 
Have a professional discourse 

724
00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:59,640
with them. 
They're not going to take you 

725
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,000
very seriously if you go there 
being like effing and blinded 

726
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,000
and being and like threatening 
things, but you can absolutely 

727
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,600
you're well within your rights 
to say, oh, me and the staff 

728
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,240
have had a conversation. 
We don't think this is 

729
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,080
appropriate. 
Can we have another meeting 

730
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,520
about this soon and really 
discuss it? 

731
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,200
Like there's ways to do it, but 
if you don't do it at all and 

732
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,280
you and we just moan behind the 
scenes and then we go on to 

733
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,000
TikTok and Instagram and then 
come on to like our Instagram 

734
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,200
reels and be like and start 
venting on us instead. 

735
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,200
Like, oh, you're rude. 
No, no, no, no, just don't be 

736
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,600
part of the problem. 
Just just use your professional 

737
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,600
judgement. 
Call out things that are are 

738
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,640
terrible, have that professional
discourse with your SLT and 

739
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,360
something might change. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

740
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,960
And you'll be probably surprised
how often receptive, how 

741
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,520
receptive people sometimes 
artists kind of thing because a 

742
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,080
lot of the time when policy's 
being rolled out, it is usually 

743
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,040
with the best of intentions. 
It is, it is usually because 

744
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,680
they think it will have an 
impact on the children. 

745
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,120
But you, what I'm saying here is
you have a voice, you have a 

746
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,600
professional voice that you need
to use and, and, and take 

747
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,440
advantage of because otherwise 
you're just another cog in the 

748
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,520
machine that you think is 
broken. 

749
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,960
Doing another thing that takes 
up more of your time that you 

750
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,000
don't think is having an impact 
on the kids because you feel 

751
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,640
like you have to do, you know 
what eventually happened? 

752
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,000
You'll burn out and you'll leave
the profession. 

753
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,600
And there have been plenty of 
times where in the last few 

754
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,120
years, I've become much more 
confident to do this, but I've 

755
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,400
also been learning how to do it.
There have been times where I've

756
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,920
brought something up in a way 
that I regret. 

757
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,880
So for example, there might have
been some time before in the in 

758
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,360
the past where we've been in the
staff meeting, something was 

759
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:30,040
said that I might think that was
rude or wrong or a bad 

760
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,840
representation of something. 
And instead of me kind of, you 

761
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,040
know, professionally going away 
and being like, I wasn't quite 

762
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,360
happy with this because I think 
it represented that badly. 

763
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,280
Or I think it shows us in this 
light that I think is wrong. 

764
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,000
And we've been asked to do this.
And I think that's just not a 

765
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,880
good use of our time. 
I just bit back immediately and 

766
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,280
I was like, oh, actually, no, 
that's that very fair though, is

767
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:49,800
it? 
That's not right. 

768
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,120
You're wrong. 
Yeah, you're wrong because of 

769
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,600
that. 
And, you know, and I've said 

770
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,240
sorry for. 
I'm really sorry. 

771
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,360
I don't mean to be rude at all 
because I don't, but I just 

772
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,080
think it's important that we 
raise these things. 

773
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,520
And again, even in that 
situation where I felt maybe I 

774
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,760
went too far because I do 
overthink things, there were 

775
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,320
loads of staff who said thank 
you for saying that because it 

776
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,120
was exactly what I was, we. 
Were all thinking the same 

777
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,800
thing. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

778
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,000
It's a good point. 
It's a good. 

779
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:14,680
Point. 
That's it, really. 

780
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:19,040
That's just #1 is be confident 
in your professional, your 

781
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,160
opinion that something is wrong 
or won't work is genuinely as 

782
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,960
valuable, if not more valuable 
than someone who's outside of 

783
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,680
the classroom trying to 
implement things again and 

784
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:28,720
again. 
Yeah, because you're in the. 

785
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:29,760
Classroom. 
Understand that? 

786
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,080
Yeah, back yourself. 
Good, good point, Dylan. 

787
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,600
So #2 something I think you can,
this is like really sort of easy

788
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,920
to action like right now if you 
wanted to is I did this years 

789
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,080
ago by the way. 
So sit down and list maybe just 

790
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,200
start of this week, the the last
week you've been in school, 

791
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,080
right? 
List all of the aspects of your 

792
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,720
role, all the jobs you had to 
do, all of the things and tasks,

793
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,200
and would you. 
Put writing the list on the 

794
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,760
list. 
Writing the list is number one 

795
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,280
on the list. 
You write the list, but then 

796
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,520
then the number 2 is thinking 
about writing the list. 

797
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,480
So you go through, you literally
just write down like from the 

798
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,240
basics of like teaching maths 
all the way down to maybe even 

799
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,960
at the weekend I had to re plan 
a lesson, right? 

800
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,560
Just list every single thing you
had to do and then prioritise 

801
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:07,760
them right? 
In terms of what you feel. 

802
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:08,920
Because remember, you're 
professional. 

803
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,920
Like no one else needs to matter
with this. 

804
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,800
What you feel like was the most 
important job to the least 

805
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,440
important job. 
Now that's quite a vague 

806
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,000
description. 
I'll leave you to decide what 

807
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,760
you think most important is, 
because that could be what 

808
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,360
what's important to you at the 
moment might be the the outcomes

809
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,440
academically of children. 
What's important to you might be

810
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,600
the holistic side of the 
children. 

811
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:25,640
There's loads of social things 
going on. 

812
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,800
Whatever what's important to you
might literally just be what you

813
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,240
think has the most impact to the
least impact in terms of a task.

814
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,520
That's what I'd go for. 
I'd be thinking, what impact 

815
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,160
does this have on the children 
against the time it takes me to 

816
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,200
do that job? 
So that that would be something 

817
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,760
I'd be thinking, OK, that's 
really important. 

818
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,440
And it might might well be that 
even if a job takes 5 minutes, 

819
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,080
it might have 0 impact on the 
children that would go straight.

820
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,520
Away yeah, it'd go right to the 
bottom of the list, right. 

821
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,320
OK, so you'd be thinking about 
that ratio, which is a really 

822
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,120
good way of doing it. 
But either way, right, whatever 

823
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,880
you've done right, you've made 
you've made your list of all 

824
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,400
these million things. 
Firstly, you realise how much 

825
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,680
stuff you're doing, which might 
even just be enough for you to 

826
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,880
be like, crikey, I do so much 
stuff in a week I mean tasks, 

827
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,880
take the bottom 10% and 
honestly, honestly, scrap it. 

828
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,880
Yeah, don't do it. 
Literally don't do it. 

829
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,680
So do you mean don't do it, 
that's it forever? 

830
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,040
Or are you saying don't do it 
and see? 

831
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,720
Yeah, I, I OK, It's a middle 
ground. 

832
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,840
You can interpret how you want. 
I kind of wanted to be very just

833
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:13,360
a speech. 
Now I'm just. 

834
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,600
Wondering what you mean? 
Just a bit out there, but what I

835
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,560
mean is it could don't do it 
could mean don't do it this 

836
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:19,760
week. 
Maybe rethink it for next week, 

837
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,560
put on your list for next week 
because it's clearly not that 

838
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,440
important. 
It might even be don't do it at 

839
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,520
all and see if it makes any 
impact or if anyone even notices

840
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,040
right. 
The amount of things in my job 

841
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,200
this would make me sound like a 
terrible teacher because people.

842
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,200
Value only on the. 
Tradition. 

843
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,360
I was going to say people value 
teachers based on how many tasks

844
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,840
they do about this, but that 
honestly, I think it took me 

845
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,720
about one year of teaching to 
realise that there were so many 

846
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,360
parts parts of my job that were 
literally tick box exercises and

847
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,880
even the people telling you to 
do them didn't even care about 

848
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:45,880
them. 
Oh yeah, didn't even. 

849
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,960
Care about them? 
And, and I very quickly clocked 

850
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,760
on that there were there were 
big aspects of my job that I 

851
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,560
could just not take seriously in
any in any way at all. 

852
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,760
It made absolutely no impact to 
me, the kids or the people that 

853
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,040
are influencing the policy. 
And yet everyone will take it 

854
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,840
seriously. 
Are you, are you brave enough to

855
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,080
give me an example? 
Yeah. 

856
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:02,880
All right then. 
OK, Ready. 

857
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,160
Literally year 2 of teaching 
after spending a whole year 

858
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,920
where I was told that for every 
single subject. 

859
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,040
So for maths, English core 
subjects and all the foundation 

860
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,120
subjects, I had to fill in this 
really quite intricate like 

861
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,880
objective assessment sheet where
it was like, have the kids met 

862
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,040
this thing in this geography 
lesson? 

863
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,120
Have they not met this thing in 
this RE lesson, whatever. 

864
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,719
And he had to really assess it. 
And I finished it after the 

865
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,040
first year realised it didn't 
inform anything or anyone impact

866
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,840
the planning, impact the 
children or impact my teaching. 

867
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:31,960
And I was like, whoa, that was a
pointless waste of my time. 

868
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,080
We all decided we need, we need 
to like fill in these 

869
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,360
assessments for some reason. 
And then honestly, for the next 

870
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,120
nine years of my, I've never 
once I'm admitting this is this 

871
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,440
is this going to, oh, oh, isn't 
he bad? 

872
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,360
I have never once filled in an 
assessment like that. 

873
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,400
This is different to like tests 
and, and other things that 

874
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,960
inform my reports and, and the 
gap analysis and things I do. 

875
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,719
This is different, right? 
These are the assessments. 

876
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,320
Oh, yeah. 
You've got to fill in that grid 

877
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,160
for, for rivers, for history on 
that topic. 

878
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,680
You did. 
And, and don't forget to do it 

879
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,360
also for geography for that 
term, so we know where the kids 

880
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,720
were. 
Yeah. 

881
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,120
What's that for? 
Oh, so you can tell the next the

882
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,960
next teacher when they when they
come round to doing geography so

883
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,880
they can fill the gaps. 
Are they going to? 

884
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,440
No. 
Are they going to? 

885
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,880
Is that going to be, is it going
to change their planning? 

886
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,280
Well, no, they're using planning
from last year, Right. 

887
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,440
Or. 
But they should be adapting it. 

888
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,280
Are they, though? 
No, no, we're all just 

889
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,840
pretending. 
We're all just pretending. 

890
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,440
It's like, OK, do I need to fill
these in? 

891
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,960
Seriously. 
Yes, very seriously. 

892
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,880
Will you know if I haven't? 
No, all these kids, yeah, all 

893
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,520
fine in this one because it 
doesn't impact or inform 

894
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,560
anything. 
You're at the you're at the 

895
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,440
point now in your career where 
you can, you can genuinely look 

896
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,880
back on me like, well, my kids 
make good progress. 

897
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,680
Yeah. 
And I've never taken this 

898
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,200
seriously. 
Yeah, seriously, 10. 

899
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,160
Years in and I'm like, Oh my 
God, and there's no one out 

900
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,200
there that is making different. 
Honestly, it's ridiculous. 

901
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,200
So the things like that in my 
career where that would be at 

902
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,800
the bottom of my list if I had 
to order my list. 

903
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,000
Now, one of the things on there 
might be, oh, I've got to do my,

904
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:53,600
the end of term. 
I've got to fill in my 

905
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,800
assessments or whatever or 
collate them or whatever it is, 

906
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,760
you know, claim assessments that
goes to the bottom of my list. 

907
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,440
And not doing it to me is I'm 
not going to do it seriously 

908
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,360
because it's completely 
pointless, especially when 

909
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,040
you're in year 6 because you 
know, where do you know where it

910
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,360
goes? 
Literally nowhere, because 

911
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,800
there's not even the next year 
that I can even talk to and be 

912
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,120
like, oh, these kids didn't do 
very well in history. 

913
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,200
I think that's a huge part of 
primary school where we convince

914
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,000
ourselves something's happening 
or is important, but it doesn't.

915
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,720
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Like the the like you're saying 

916
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:20,800
there, for example, if we do a 
history unit on the Romans in 

917
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,720
year 3, Right. 
And I take those children up and

918
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:25,240
I've been teaching them Anglo 
Saxons. 

919
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,680
OK, pure honesty here, have not 
remotely looked at where they 

920
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,320
were for their year three unit 
on Romans. 

921
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,000
Because because you know, it's 
not going to change what I'm 

922
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,880
teaching the children. 
It's not going to change how I 

923
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,600
adapt on the spot and help them.
It doesn't matter to me whether 

924
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,120
the children fully understood a 
very specific point in one 

925
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,760
lesson last year. 
Because you know, what if if 

926
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,640
they didn't quite understand the
idea of society when it was in 

927
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,680
the context of the Romans 
compared to the Bronze Age, 

928
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,600
which they did in year 3. 
Do you know what's fantastic 

929
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:55,560
about what we're doing this 
year? 

930
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,120
We're already covering society 
anyway. 

931
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,680
We're already going to look at 
the difference between what the 

932
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,360
the Roman life when they left 
and the Anglo Saxons took over 

933
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,480
and how it almost seemed to have
gone backwards. 

934
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,520
We're going to talk about that 
again to the entire class. 

935
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,000
Whether or not they were deemed 
to be understanding that 

936
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,560
societal change last year or 
not, it is genuinely pointless. 

937
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,040
But again, there'll still be 
people listening to us say this,

938
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,440
going what do you we must assess
everything all the time. 

939
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:21,960
No, we don't. 
You have to. 

940
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,120
I think everyone really deep 
down knows it's a farce. 

941
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,360
And the problem is I don't even 
blame SLT for this. 

942
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,760
I genuinely don't. 
I blame Ofsted because at the 

943
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,480
end of the day, someone said to 
me, it's like, yeah, cool. 

944
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,360
I also think it's pointless, but
Ofsted literally say we have to 

945
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:35,760
do it. 
So if we if we if they come in 

946
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,160
and we're not doing it, they can
very rightfully say we told you 

947
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,600
to do this thing. 
You're not doing it requires 

948
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:40,720
improvement. 
Yeah, honestly. 

949
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:42,880
So I'm like, OK, cool. 
Let's all just agree then to not

950
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,920
take it that seriously because 
none of none of us are going to 

951
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,000
use it in our daily practise. 
None of us are going to check on

952
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,400
it. 
Yeah, it doesn't impact 

953
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,840
anything. 
We know Ofsted are wrong. 

954
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,360
They're literally wrong because 
they don't work in. 

955
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:52,200
Schools, well, they're driving 
up. 

956
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,080
Standards mate Driving up. 
Standards, yeah, we've got to, 

957
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,480
we've got to assess all the 
humanities that can we, you 

958
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,000
know, that's one of those. 
Anyway, going back to the 

959
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,840
original point is just, yeah, 
prioritise everything. 

960
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,520
I've got off on a massive tandem
completely. 

961
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,560
I'm glad I asked that question. 
Completely expose myself and 

962
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,840
probably honestly half of you 
have also realised in your 

963
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,360
career that there are some 
things that are pointless and 

964
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,280
you just do them. 
You tick a box, they don't 

965
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,880
really mean anything. 
You haven't done them to the 

966
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,560
degree that they're supposed to 
be done because they're. 

967
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,120
Pointless. 
That's why we did this. 

968
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,960
And there's loads of things that
do that, which is why #2 to is 

969
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,840
to make this list, prioritise 
things. 

970
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,600
Realise at the bottom 10% are 
probably things that honestly 

971
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:24,160
you didn't need to spend your 
weekend doing. 

972
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:27,320
You didn't need to stay till 
5:30 instead of five last week 

973
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,200
every day doing that thing 
because it was honestly utterly 

974
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,640
pointless. 
So just either don't do it or 

975
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,800
find a way to do it. 
Hayden doesn't even teach 

976
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,320
history. 
Like it's just completely 

977
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,320
pointless. 
Teaching history, this is 

978
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:37,640
pointless guys. 
We're going to just, we're going

979
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,800
to do some more maths. 
History's already happened. 

980
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,200
Maths is the only subject I 
love. 

981
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:45,320
Right, moving on #3 use old 
planning. 

982
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,720
Do you know I can already sense 
the kind of person listening to 

983
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:49,040
this. 
It might be like this is a 

984
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,200
horrendous list. 
What terrible practise. 

985
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,080
Awful. 
What awful practitioners? 

986
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,200
Do you not care about the kids? 
Oh my God, obviously I do. 

987
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,520
But I don't need to do new 
slides every year to care about 

988
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,120
my children. 
Do you know what I did? 

989
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,920
I planned my lessons really well
the first time around, right? 

990
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,400
And I've been in Year 4 now for 
four years. 

991
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,600
Do you know what hasn't changed?
How to add mixed numbers and a 

992
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:11,840
fraction together. 
Yeah. 

993
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,880
You know what hasn't changed? 
The representation that I've 

994
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,360
planned. 
Do you know what hasn't changed?

995
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,640
The thing the kids need to learn
at the end of Year 4 because the

996
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,400
curriculum stayed the same. 
Do you know what has changed 

997
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,000
though? 
Your ability to adapt on the 

998
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,360
spot 100% to. 
Yeah, and I do it all the time. 

999
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,720
What I don't need to do right is
so people, the pushback on this 

1000
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:31,280
might be you can't choose old 
planning because kids are 

1001
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,080
different. 
OK, My pushback would be kids 

1002
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,920
are different and I can just use
the same planning because the 

1003
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,480
not there's not only one way to 
adapt your teaching. 

1004
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,040
There's not only one way, which 
is to change your slides to 

1005
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,040
adapt because you know what I 
could do? 

1006
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,320
I could look at my class and be 
like my class, my class are 

1007
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,480
quite good at this actually. 
I could probably sit there, look

1008
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,360
at this old planning and maybe 
add some extra bits in or, or 

1009
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,840
get rid of some stuff that's 
kind of going over old things 

1010
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,920
that I don't need anymore. 
I could sit there and do that 

1011
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:06,000
for 45 minutes, an hour, right? 
Or I could use those slides and 

1012
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,520
go, oh, next, next, next. 
Don't need to do that anymore, 

1013
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,600
right. 
So that is the same thing. 

1014
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,560
And one of them requires me to 
sit down and replan stuff for 

1015
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,040
hours in my own time and have 
less time with my son. 

1016
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,840
And the other thing requires me 
to use my. 

1017
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,400
Professional judgement to go on 
the spot. 

1018
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,240
Actually, no, no, no, we're 
going to go straight Oh to do. 

1019
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:24,040
The thing you'll pay for and. 
I'm with you. 

1020
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,880
This is what winds me up so, so 
much sometimes about this job, 

1021
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:29,880
which is I'm paid as a teacher 
to. 

1022
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,440
That's what I'm paid for. 
That's why I'm paid quite well. 

1023
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,880
That's why I'm a professional, 
because I have the ability to, 

1024
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,120
on the spot, realise or know 
something and change and adapt 

1025
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,280
it. 
That is the teacher standards we

1026
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,560
talk about that are so 
important. 

1027
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,800
Yeah. 
What is not showing that off is 

1028
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,760
my ability to spend 2 hours 
doing something at the weekend 

1029
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,360
to change it like that. 
This is not what I'm paid to do 

1030
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,200
earlier in my career. 
Maybe that was the right thing 

1031
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,640
for me to do because I'm still 
learning. 

1032
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,120
Yeah, let me clarify something 
because I can feel, I could feel

1033
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,440
someone misunderstanding 
something, right? 

1034
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,320
I want to clarify this. 
You say use old planning. 

1035
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,960
Let's say though, next year you 
got, let's say at the moment 

1036
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,320
you're teaching a lower ability 
set, and then the next year 

1037
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,520
you're teaching a higher ability
set in that same subject. 

1038
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,240
Are you still saying Yep, use 
the exact same planning? 

1039
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,760
Yeah, of course not. 
Of course not. 

1040
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,320
Absolutely right. 
What I'm saying is when the 

1041
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,600
objective and the generic 
outcomes of your class and the 

1042
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,480
way they are are the same reuse 
stuff. 

1043
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,880
But what I'm also saying is if 
you live in a live, if you live,

1044
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,800
I do live in a school, if you 
work in a school with the right 

1045
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,000
culture and outlook on this kind
of thing, yeah. 

1046
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,960
Then if you move classes or ever
to a different year group even, 

1047
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,440
or a different type of set or 
group of children, one of two 

1048
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,080
things can happen. 
You will re plan stuff, but you 

1049
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,160
know what, your objectives are 
probably still the same. 

1050
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,360
We're talking about English and 
maths. 

1051
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,640
You might look at the structure 
and expand it and find some more

1052
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,920
resources for your children, or 
plan some more slides in, and 

1053
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,720
even you might sometimes plan 
from scratch. 

1054
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,800
Well, I found when I've changed 
like sort of learning groups, so

1055
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,080
I've, I've, I've taught 
children, but I've, I've had a 

1056
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,160
set before who are, who are our 
lowest 12 achievers. 

1057
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,720
And my job was to really help 
these kids like just just make 

1058
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:09,120
progress basically at their 
level, right. 

1059
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,800
And then the next year, year, 
I've taken the top 32. 

1060
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,640
You can't compare. 
So honestly, I've had to 

1061
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,600
complete like zero of my 
planning from the one year was 

1062
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,560
applicable to next one because 
everything was different. 

1063
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,080
But what I could do, and this is
where a really good school in 

1064
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,800
common place is, is I could use 
the planning though of the 

1065
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,520
teacher that was in that that's.
The year of family. 

1066
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,680
Like and not all of it. 
I replanned bits of it because 

1067
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,480
all for various reasons. 
Some of it was just personal, 

1068
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,280
some of it was because I feel 
like these kids are different. 

1069
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,840
What you planned, I'm trying. 
To or you as a teacher might not

1070
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,240
necessarily think that that's 
not my style, that's. 

1071
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:42,400
My style, that's to you at that 
point, but I could still use it 

1072
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,280
was there as a basis. 
It wasn't. 

1073
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,440
There's a shame, I think in some
schools using someone elses 

1074
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,840
planning that no, you should be 
planning from scratch. 

1075
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,360
It's your set now. 
No, no, no, just you. 

1076
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,120
It's there. 
But like the thought experiment 

1077
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,480
for me is this right? 
Teaching has happened for a 

1078
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,280
very, very, very long time. 
And the curriculum also hasn't 

1079
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,120
changed in quite a long time. 
So for the last 10 years, 1010 

1080
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,560
years, right, the curriculum has
changed. 

1081
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:08,520
It's it's not true, right that 
every single year since 2014, 

1082
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,000
all teachers planning has got 
better consistently community 

1083
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:15,840
cumulate. 
I can't speak cumulatively. 

1084
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:16,840
You're right. 
I'm all right now. 

1085
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,640
Your your talking's definitely 
not got better. 

1086
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,440
I was trying to say cumulatively
you're teaching English. 

1087
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,920
Cumulatively you're teaching. 
No, I don't teach. 

1088
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,360
I told you, Dylan, I didn't 
teach maths. 

1089
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:25,680
That's every plan. 
How to pronounce words? 

1090
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,280
Yeah, that might be good, but 
it's not true. 

1091
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:28,400
Is it that like because? 
It. 

1092
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,760
Because it's not improved. 
It's not improved cumulatively, 

1093
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,640
right? 
Because if it was like that 

1094
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,520
would it doesn't make sense. 
Of course, some planning 10 

1095
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,640
years ago was honestly probably 
better than some of the planning

1096
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,280
you made this year. 
It didn't need to be replanned, 

1097
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,480
but we did it anyway because we 
have this culture, toxic 

1098
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,280
culture. 
Like unless you're spending the 

1099
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,080
weekend planning, you know what,
what good are you doing for your

1100
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,440
for your students is not true. 
So where you can use old 

1101
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,160
planning, don't reinvent the 
wheel, I guess is the point here

1102
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,480
where you can use old planning. 
And there's a lot more 

1103
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,520
situations where you can use old
planning than maybe you think. 

1104
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,920
Use old planning. 
Tweak it or don't do anything to

1105
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,320
it. 
If it's appropriate, adapt on 

1106
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,160
the spot if you can. 
If you look at it and think I 

1107
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,040
can just tweak that in the 
moment, do that then. 

1108
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,640
Yeah, and I think that's what 
people conflate. 

1109
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,760
They conflate the idea that if 
you're not using your own new 

1110
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,040
planning and you're using 
someone else's old planning, you

1111
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,800
being a lazy teacher who is not 
adapting to your class, they are

1112
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,160
different things. 
I adapt every single day. 

1113
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,440
Do you know what? 
Even if I planned from scratch, 

1114
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,920
I would argue that it's bad 
practise to not be adapting on 

1115
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,280
the spot anyway. 
So that that is so separate. 

1116
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,840
That is a separate thing. 
I could have planned from 

1117
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,920
scratch and I'd still be 
skipping past slides that when I

1118
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,800
was planning, I thought, I put 
this in case and the kids don't 

1119
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,800
need it and I'm like, quite they
don't need this skip past, skip 

1120
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,760
past don't need it. 
It's it's a different thing. 

1121
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,480
Do not conflate being a good 
teacher, adapting stuff on the 

1122
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,520
spot in front of your class to 
what they need, which is what 

1123
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,400
I'm paid professionally to do 
with me spending four hours at 

1124
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:44,440
the weekend planning from 
scratch. 

1125
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,520
These are not the same. 
Do you think it's possible that 

1126
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,720
a teacher out there, maybe even 
us in the past, has planned a 

1127
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:51,960
new lesson from scratch because 
they think it's supposed to be 

1128
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,840
done that way and ended up 
planning a lesson that's worse 

1129
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:54,880
than the one that already 
existed? 

1130
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,200
Yes, of course that exists. 
Yes, of course that's happened, 

1131
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,680
yes. 
So that just again proves this 

1132
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,120
whole point of like it does. 
It's not essential to my plan. 

1133
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,480
No 100%. 
Anyway, point #4 hope you enjoy 

1134
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,160
these points so far guys. 
But point #4 is. 

1135
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,960
What they could do there leaves 
a review. 

1136
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,800
We weren't in the middle. 
Do you know because it's in the 

1137
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,640
middle of the seven middle. 
Yeah, people listening at the 

1138
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,760
end they might drop off leaves a
review every going guys, we're 

1139
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,040
going for over 200 on Spotify. 
We're nearly there and on Apple 

1140
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,680
podcast when people actually 
write reviews. 

1141
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,080
We've had such nice reviews in 
the last week or two. 

1142
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:21,960
Please leave us a review 
wherever you're at. 

1143
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,840
And out of five stars they 
should probably go. 

1144
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,160
Probably 5, I think. 
I reckon. 

1145
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,360
Yeah. 
Problem is, Dylan, by doing it 

1146
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:27,440
in the middle, we've messed up, 
weren't we? 

1147
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:28,640
Messed up. 
Because they're listening so 

1148
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,400
intently to this. 
They're not gonna, they're not 

1149
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:31,920
gonna stop and do it. 
But maybe they will. 

1150
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,560
Maybe this time, Yeah, they'll 
stop listening for a second and 

1151
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:35,920
just give us a quick review. 
That'd be nice. 

1152
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,280
Maybe. 
Anyway, back-to-back to. 

1153
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,640
The point #4 #4 leave a review. 
Yeah, this one's really. 

1154
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,440
Linked to an episode we did 
recently, but we didn't want to 

1155
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,280
not we didn't want to leave it 
out because it was it was so 

1156
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,560
important. 
We did a whole episode talking 

1157
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:49,480
about it, but it's just stop 
accepting automatically things 

1158
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,720
that you know or even just to 
have an opinion on that you 

1159
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:54,920
think are not acceptable. 
I think let's let's let's let's 

1160
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,400
move this shift this from the 
first point, which was being 

1161
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,680
able to push back on stuff, 
right. 

1162
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,160
Let's shift it to what you're 
saying things you know are 

1163
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,880
wrong, things you know, go 
against what your contract says,

1164
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,240
OK things you know are actually 
bad workplace practise. 

1165
00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:09,480
Don't just accept so the. 
Actionable point then I guess 

1166
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,240
really here is know your 
contract. 

1167
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,920
We did the whole episode about 
knowing your contract, right? 

1168
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,040
Know your contract, know that 
you know, we've talked about 

1169
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,320
this the whole this word, the 
word reasonable. 

1170
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,480
It's like the killer word in the
contract of teachers are 

1171
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,240
expected to do a reasonable 
amount extra outside of school 

1172
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,160
outside of directed hours to get
the job done. 

1173
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,840
It's the killer because some 
people take it one way and some 

1174
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,840
people take it the other way. 
But remember, reasonable does go

1175
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,120
both ways. 
You know, reasonable for who? 

1176
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:37,200
Reasonable for you, reasonable 
for the SLT because they want to

1177
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,600
meet stand like certain 
standards they've set like 

1178
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,200
you've you've got to have the 
confidence to understand that 

1179
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,400
your contract doesn't mean my 
head teacher who is my boss of 

1180
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,080
life gets to tell me what's 
reasonable for my life. 

1181
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,240
No, no, no, no. 
That's not what it. 

1182
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:52,720
Means, and you know, it's great.
There's literally a paragraph in

1183
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:56,080
that contract, if you know it 
really well, that says those 

1184
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,280
people cannot dictate to you 
what reasonable is. 

1185
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,600
Yeah, it's not even us just 
saying, oh, reasonable works 

1186
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,040
both ways guys, let's interpret 
it this way, which is great for 

1187
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,400
us. 
Read the contract. 

1188
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,680
There is a paragraph that says 
that SLT leadership, anyone else

1189
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,680
cannot tell you what reasonable 
is and how much work to do and 

1190
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,280
when to do it outside of 
directed time. 

1191
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,520
It is in writing. 
I had a really interesting 

1192
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:17,920
conversation with someone on 
TikTok. 

1193
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,000
I did, I did a video about about
this, about this idea of this 

1194
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,160
reasonable part of the contract 
because I I probably fall on the

1195
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,560
side and I still do that. 
I think that ambiguity in that 

1196
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:33,600
contract is the root cause of so
much burnout and, and teachers 

1197
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,080
leading exploitation and 
exploitation. 

1198
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,360
That's the word and I still 
think think that, but this, this

1199
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,360
guy had made, made what I 
thought was a really interesting

1200
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:40,280
point. 
I'd like to see what you think 

1201
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,680
about it. 
And his point was, Oh my God, 

1202
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,960
no, we should not get rid of 
this from the contract. 

1203
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,080
The idea that we have this idea 
of reasonable and this 

1204
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,960
professional judgement comes in 
is a real positive for the 

1205
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,000
profession because it's a 
contract. 

1206
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,440
And like you said, it works both
ways. 

1207
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,000
So what this does is it actually
should be giving the teacher the

1208
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,760
power to define what reasonable 
is for them and the ability 

1209
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,760
going back to .1 to push back 
and say, no, no, no, I'm I'm 

1210
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,920
professional at saying this is 
not reasonable now. 

1211
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,040
And his idea was let's, let's 
not go down the bureaucratic 

1212
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,800
route of putting an X amount of 
time on it. 

1213
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,960
So we have the 1265 plus 
additional reasonable. 

1214
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,560
Let's not change it to 1500 
because for some staff that 

1215
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,960
might mean they end up doing 
more work and they might mean 

1216
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,280
they're ticking some boxes and 
things like that. 

1217
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,720
And his my main criticism is 
that that's amazing and I get 

1218
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:30,400
what you're saying and we've got
the same outcome goal, but that 

1219
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:31,880
it's already that and it doesn't
happen. 

1220
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,360
Yeah, OK. 
I mean, you kind of said my 

1221
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,960
point there. 
So like the keyword and 

1222
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,320
everything you said was the word
should. 

1223
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,000
Yeah. 
His use of modal verbs, they're 

1224
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,480
like, you know, yeah, the 
teachers should be using. 

1225
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:42,920
Yeah, but they're. 
Not yeah, we have to all be on 

1226
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,160
the same. 
Page I love ideology like I 

1227
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,640
often live in an ideological 
version of the world in my head 

1228
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,680
and I and I strive towards it. 
And when we went on strike, it's

1229
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,440
because I'm pushing for this 
ideology and then nothing 

1230
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,480
happened after, you know, we 
talked about it after in a 

1231
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,200
different episode, but I really 
do like ideologies and I and I 

1232
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:57,880
think the sentiment is great. 
Yeah, it is. 

1233
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:01,920
It is potentially a really good 
thing that it says reasonable in

1234
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,920
the contract and therefore we 
can interpret it and we have 

1235
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,040
this lower cap and reasonable 
extra. 

1236
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,600
It's kind of what we champion it
to be, but we don't. 

1237
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,280
So it's kind of a point to point
because do you know what it's 

1238
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:13,720
that reasonable? 
It's been around like it's not 

1239
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:15,640
like it's brand new and we're in
the first year and we're finding

1240
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:16,720
our feet. 
We're no, no, it's been in the 

1241
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:19,560
contract for decades. 
It's been there for a long time.

1242
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,320
And and it doesn't that's the 
ideology isn't the reality. 

1243
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,480
The reality is teachers are 
being massively exploited for 

1244
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,840
for this word reasonable way, 
way, way more proportionally, 

1245
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,960
like disproportionately than the
amount of teachers who are 

1246
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,520
managing to. 
If we did put a cap of 1500 

1247
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,520
hours, I don't, I don't think 
there's I think there's a small 

1248
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,600
percentage of teachers that 
would negatively be impacted. 

1249
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,400
Like, Oh, I was only doing 1419 
lime an hour. 

1250
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,280
Blooming, Blooming Eck, is what 
we say as teachers because we 

1251
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,640
don't swear. 
Yeah. 

1252
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,560
So I don't know. 
I think I, you know, I wouldn't 

1253
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,120
get angry at this person. 
I think it's a really nice 

1254
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,760
point. 
But I just think, yeah, the 

1255
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,280
reality kind of speaks for 
itself, though, doesn't it? 

1256
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:53,800
Because, yeah, we should be. 
But we should have been doing 

1257
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,400
that for the last 15 years and 
we haven't. 

1258
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:55,720
So. 
And. 

1259
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,320
There's a whole bunch of stuff 
we weren't going to now. 

1260
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,160
We did it previously in 
different episodes about how 

1261
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,080
knowing your contract can impact
your PPA, impact your your 

1262
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,200
workplace rights. 
You know, literally just how 

1263
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,760
many hours you should be doing 
in a week. 

1264
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,120
Like when it comes to weeks like
we've just been through which 

1265
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,720
which have parents evening. 
Maybe I've had people who've had

1266
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,000
also had twilight in the same 
week as parents evening. 

1267
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,440
Just tot up your hours and know 
that actually you shouldn't 

1268
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:16,920
doesn't go above a certain 
amount every week. 

1269
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,120
That is literally your working 
rights. 

1270
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,000
So knowing that, stop accepting 
things and, and this is the 

1271
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,200
actionable thing. 
If you literally, if you know 

1272
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,440
your contract, you can literally
in black and white send an 

1273
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,720
e-mail, snip something in, tag a
union Rep and and bring this up.

1274
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,840
This is not acceptable because 
our contract says this. 

1275
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,160
I've tagged my union Rep. 
No, it doesn't have to be 

1276
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,080
personal. 
Crack on. 

1277
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:40,720
Crack on. 
But we're not doing it. 

1278
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,240
Let's get on to #5 Go ahead. 
Go on, number 50, me again, Look

1279
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,640
at that. 
Distinguishing between what's 

1280
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,440
nice for the kids, like things 
that you do that are nice. 

1281
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,840
Well, that's nice, isn't it? 
And actually impactful like so 

1282
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,080
you just have this split in your
head of tasks. 

1283
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,720
What do you mean though? 
Because nice is like, you know, 

1284
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:58,680
bigging them up a bit. 
Well done mate. 

1285
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,680
Are we, are we saying things 
I've got in my head straight 

1286
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,680
away clarify for me or not? 
I'm thinking that you mean 

1287
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,960
things like writing in the book 
next to a smiley. 

1288
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,520
Wow, what a lovely paragraph 
you've written, Johnny. 

1289
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,960
That kind of thing for every 
child every single day is nice, 

1290
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:14,800
but it's not necessarily having 
an impact. 

1291
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,280
And as teachers we might think, 
but it's lovely. 

1292
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,840
It's part of my job. 
You're saying listen, just do 

1293
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,000
it. 
Literally that sort of thing. 

1294
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,400
OK. 
And even that someone could 

1295
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,360
argue no, it is having an impact
because it's a bit positive on 

1296
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,640
their mind. 
There's always an argument for 

1297
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,280
everything. 
I think it's very hard to define

1298
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,640
precisely. 
Like black, like zeros and ones.

1299
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,760
This is only nice. 
This is only impactful, but 

1300
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,240
there is a scale there where you
can probably determine something

1301
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:36,600
as like, we're just doing this 
because we think it's nice, but 

1302
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:37,760
it's not really having an 
impact. 

1303
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,480
And if that thing is then adding
loads of workload, you should 

1304
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,680
probably think about cutting 
that thing in half or even 

1305
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,560
scrapping it all together. 
Like there's a nice actual thing

1306
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,000
here of start thinking about 
everything you do as is this 

1307
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,640
impactful for the children or am
I doing it because it looks 

1308
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:50,520
good? 
Is it an optic? 

1309
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,200
Is it nice? 
Is it because or I haven't 

1310
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,800
written in the if your thought 
train to writing something in 

1311
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,920
the book is I haven't written, I
haven't written in that book in 

1312
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,280
a certain amount of time, so I 
better write in that book today.

1313
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,280
If that's the reason you're 
writing the book, you're doing 

1314
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,400
it because you think it's nice. 
Sure you're not doing it because

1315
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,760
you think it's impactful, 
because if you thought it's 

1316
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,560
impactful, you would have done 
it automatically because you're 

1317
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,760
a teacher. 
You do that already, right? 

1318
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,120
And I've culled that sort of 
stuff completely from my life. 

1319
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,880
Like I really, if you look at my
books, if I write something in 

1320
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,080
their book, it's because I think
it's going to have an impact. 

1321
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,040
I honestly almost never write in
their books now, like 

1322
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,360
acknowledgement stuff. 
Sometimes, sometimes you'll see 

1323
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,280
in my book that hang on because 
sometimes you will see in my 

1324
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,360
book. 
Oh, well done. 

1325
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,040
You did a really good bit here 
because you know why? 

1326
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,480
Because that child, I know it 
will have have an impact on them

1327
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:32,440
because they've got a really low
self. 

1328
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:33,880
Esteem so you don't acknowledge 
your kids ever. 

1329
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,240
You're horrible. 
Yeah, never in the hour that 

1330
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:37,640
they teach them in that. 1 
exactly. 

1331
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:38,880
Right. 
Like I acknowledge them all the 

1332
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,040
time and I acknowledge them even
after the lesson. 

1333
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,440
I say look for all your work 
last night. 

1334
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:43,880
And it was fantastic. 
Boom, done. 

1335
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,480
Look at that. 
I just saved an hour because 

1336
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:46,920
everyone's immediately got the 
same feedback. 

1337
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,600
It doesn't make a difference. 
But for that one kid, I did 

1338
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,080
write a really nice comment in 
them because I know they've been

1339
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,040
working really hard recently and
that's going to have an impact. 

1340
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:54,440
For this kid, though, I didn't 
write that. 

1341
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,880
I didn't write anything at all. 
And this other child, they got 

1342
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,440
something wrong and I wrote a 
little note there to help them 

1343
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,320
because I think it was a really 
easy misconception that I can 

1344
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:01,880
explain in words. 
And for this other child, they 

1345
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,920
made a misconception. 
I don't think it'll be impactful

1346
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,480
for me to write it in words 
because it was complex. 

1347
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:06,480
I'm going to talk to them 
tomorrow. 

1348
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,680
I'm a teacher. 
Your teachers as well. 

1349
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,720
You know what's impactful? 
So basically the, the actionable

1350
00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:13,240
point here, I'm not letting 
Dylan speak at all. 

1351
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:14,520
You're right. 
I'm going and going. 

1352
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,600
The actionable point here is 
decide in your head everything 

1353
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,480
you do at school from now on. 
What is just on the side of I'm 

1354
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,280
doing it because it's nice or 
I'm doing it because it's an 

1355
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,560
optic and I have to be seen to 
be doing this thing, but it 

1356
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,000
doesn't have any impact. 
And what things actually, I 

1357
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,760
think having an impact, because 
I'm a professional teacher, I 

1358
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,120
know what actually has an impact
on kids or not Stop doing the 

1359
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,120
nice things or just just half 
them, just half them and find 

1360
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,600
that you're just cutting back a 
bit more time. 

1361
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,640
If your policies every single 
day you have to write something 

1362
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,360
in the books, honestly start 
doing it half as much and then 

1363
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,640
challenge the policy. 
It goes back at the. 

1364
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,120
End of the year, you can say, oh
look, my guys, really weird 

1365
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,080
this. 
I stopped doing this a month 

1366
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,040
ago. 
I didn't tell any of you, but I 

1367
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,680
stopped doing it a month ago and
I made the exact same progress 

1368
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,080
as everybody else. 
So maybe we're all just wasting 

1369
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,880
our time doing this, and we 
could, we could get back some 

1370
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,520
time for us teachers, see what 
they say. 

1371
00:53:58,520 --> 00:53:59,840
Be be the change you want to 
see. 

1372
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,520
Sometimes I completely agree 
with you and yeah, don't feel 

1373
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,280
guilty because someone else is 
doing something. 

1374
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:05,720
This is what happens with 
teaching. 

1375
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:09,040
Last point in this #5 so often I
see someone think, oh, well, 

1376
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,400
that person is doing. 
I've got to, yeah, that person 

1377
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:12,720
is doing, Oh my gosh, I've got 
to do it. 

1378
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:14,080
I feel awful. 
They're doing it. 

1379
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:15,880
I've got to do it. 
That's not a reason to do 

1380
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,840
something. 
Yeah, that is not alone a reason

1381
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,600
to do something. 
There have been multiple times 

1382
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,800
where another teacher has done 
something and I've thought, 

1383
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,760
damn, that's good, I'm going to 
use that tomorrow. 

1384
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:25,720
That is amazing. 
Wow. 

1385
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:27,280
I can see how that will impact 
my kids. 

1386
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,360
That's what I thought. 
There've been multiple other 

1387
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,520
times where someone's gone. 
Oh, I write this thing on the 

1388
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,000
board every day and I've thought
that's great, but it would not 

1389
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,520
have any impact on my kids, so 
I'm not going to do it. 

1390
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,800
I don't think. 
Oh gosh, am I not doing the same

1391
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,520
as everyone? 
Oh my gosh, I don't spend as 

1392
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:42,960
long. 
I don't spend as long marking as

1393
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,560
someone else. 
Doesn't that mean we all have to

1394
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:45,200
mark more? 
No. 

1395
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,680
Do you know what maybe means? 
Do you know what potentially it 

1396
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,120
might mean? 
We'll have to mark less, so 

1397
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,400
let's just not jump onto that 
bandwagon of more is better. 

1398
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,280
Let's do a couple more examples 
because I feel like I did this a

1399
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,360
lot more when I was a younger 
teacher, right? 

1400
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,760
I mean, firstly, just your 
example of like you see other 

1401
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,080
staff doing things. 
Here's a really good one. 

1402
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,680
I've seen loads of times in my 
career. 

1403
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,200
I've seen teachers like sticking
things into children's books 

1404
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,400
because they're like, oh, the 
children are just messy and I 

1405
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:08,920
want this in their books really 
nice and neat. 

1406
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,040
So they stick it all in like pre
stick it in four and they might 

1407
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,800
take the books home that evening
and like get all this thing 

1408
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,200
prepared and I'm like that's 
nice. 

1409
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,360
I'm just going to give them 3 
minutes to stick it in 

1410
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,040
themselves. 
And if it's slightly messy, I 

1411
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,680
don't really care because it's 
not actually going to have any 

1412
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,280
impact on anything. 
It just looks nice. 

1413
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,520
That's one really good example. 
It's like you wasted an hour. 

1414
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,640
I wasted zero time and the 
outcomes were honestly the same.

1415
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,920
And and wasted is such a it's a 
strong word because for them 

1416
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,120
that might that might that they 
might not care doing that. 

1417
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,400
This is the thing that I'm I 
really want to push as well is 

1418
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:36,680
that I don't care if people do 
that. 

1419
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,400
Yeah, yeah, I honestly don't 
like. 

1420
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,760
I personally don't care if that 
person wants to take it home and

1421
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,600
stick it in when I would care as
if then there's a book look like

1422
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,640
this person's cheats are really 
lovely and yours are messy. 

1423
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,360
Can you sort out, please? 
I'm sorry, No. 

1424
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,000
The only reason they're they do 
that is they take it home for an

1425
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,400
hour and I'm not gonna do that. 
But that that's when there's a 

1426
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:54,800
problem. 
Yeah, that's when it's an issue.

1427
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,840
When it becomes the bar and that
person taking it home should be 

1428
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,520
the first person to say, Oh no, 
no, I I just did that because I 

1429
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,440
want to. 
Yeah, it's absolutely should not

1430
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:03,680
be having spending an hour doing
that. 

1431
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,000
That's up to you. 
Here's another one. 

1432
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,000
Early in my career, probably the
first five years of my career, 

1433
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,800
every single half term, I'd make
sure in my half term break that 

1434
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,680
I would sit down with a 
document, an Excel sheet. 

1435
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,120
I'd make my, I'd make my class 
in an Excel sheet and I'd do a 

1436
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:15,720
seating plan, do a new seating 
plan. 

1437
00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:17,640
I'd really think it through. 
I'd even used to attach like 

1438
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,080
some data to it and stuff like 
what the hell I was doing like, 

1439
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:21,920
Oh yeah, these kids are here 
because they're for this reason.

1440
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,200
Like there's the case they're 
not anywhere by cheques. 

1441
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:24,440
You know, I've got these 
children here because they're 

1442
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:25,600
laurability. 
I've got them, put them here, 

1443
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,040
here, and here's their data 
point from last time. 

1444
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,320
Now I get a scrap piece of paper
on the first day of term. 

1445
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,000
If I want to change this, 
sometimes I don't want to change

1446
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:33,720
it. 
I'm like, no, they're in a 

1447
00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:35,040
you're in a good position. 
They come in, we're changing 

1448
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:36,120
seats. 
No, I think you're in a good 

1449
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:37,080
place to learn. 
Sit down. 

1450
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,920
Done. 
Other times I scrap their paper,

1451
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,320
draw it up and map out the 
classroom. 

1452
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:42,720
I have, I think 5 minutes past 
that. 

1453
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:44,720
Sat there in registration maybe.
Or I'll do it over, you know, 

1454
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,600
the lunchtime or the next day or
whatever, and I'll do a seat 

1455
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,200
plan like that. 
It was nice what I was doing 

1456
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,040
before, Yeah. 
Didn't have any impact, though. 

1457
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:52,320
I didn't need to. 
Do it, and if it did, it was 

1458
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,240
minimal, not worth your. 
Time. 

1459
00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:55,280
Yeah, yeah, exactly. 
It was too far on the scale 

1460
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,680
towards Nice for me to justify 
doing it. 

1461
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,040
And one last thing, Displays. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1462
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,680
I used to come in every half 
term and do displays. 

1463
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:05,640
What's wrong with me doing get a
life mate? 

1464
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,760
Literally. 
I'd go and go and touch graph. 

1465
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,280
Yeah, exactly. 
I'd come in in the half term, 

1466
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,880
every single half term, and get 
my new displays ready for the 

1467
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,840
time. 
Not a single child in my whole 

1468
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,320
career has ever commented on 
one. 

1469
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,520
They don't care, no. 
Kids, can I tell you one thing? 

1470
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,960
The only time I've ever seen a 
display of yours get so much 

1471
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,120
attention and so much love, Oh 
yeah, was a whiteboard display 

1472
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:25,560
where you write a Riddle. 
Yeah, I wrote a daily. 

1473
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,760
Riddle nothing to do with 
actually doing displays coming 

1474
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,800
in for hours now it's just a 
daily Riddle which would have 

1475
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,400
taken you 10 seconds, had 10 
times more impact, 100 times 

1476
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,920
more of an impact on your class 
yeah than any display you've 

1477
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,640
ever done other than yeah, 
literally, but there you go 

1478
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,920
like. 
And even that, and even that was

1479
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,640
just nice. 
Yeah, it was just no one needs 

1480
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:42,840
to do. 
And if you're really under 

1481
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,240
pressure, you can stop doing 
that. 

1482
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,320
But if if you want to do it, do 
it. 

1483
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,040
I might not. 
It doesn't mean I'm a worse 

1484
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,480
teacher than you. 
It means brilliant. 

1485
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:51,600
Well done, pal. 
That's great. 

1486
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:52,920
You want to do. 
It so I'll leave the point on 

1487
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,880
that. 
Then cut, cut the cut tasks in 

1488
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,680
your head into nice and 
impactful on a scale. 

1489
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,400
Which ones on the nice side can 
you maybe stop doing altogether 

1490
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,840
or at least cut a little bit 
back to buy back some of your 

1491
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:02,960
time? 
You'll be surprised how many 

1492
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,040
things you can do with minimal 
minimal negative impact at all. 

1493
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:07,680
Are you ready for the most 
controversial point? 

1494
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:09,960
This is This is number six. 
This is number six. 

1495
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:15,880
You as a teacher do not have as 
much impact on the outcomes of 

1496
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,160
these children as you might 
think. 

1497
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:18,440
You do what? 
What do you mean? 

1498
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,080
You're telling me that my job is
pointless? 

1499
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,000
No, not at all. 
I'm saying you have an impact, 

1500
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,400
but it's not as impactful as you
might think. 

1501
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,880
And there are other things that 
come into play than the quality 

1502
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,480
of your teaching as to the 
outcomes of the children. 

1503
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,640
This, I can imagine, would get a
lot of people's backs up. 

1504
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,040
Yeah. 
Because you, you you would take 

1505
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:40,280
it the wrong way. 
Yeah, of course you would. 

1506
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:41,560
I feel like I take it the wrong 
way. 

1507
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:42,240
Yeah. 
What do you mean? 

1508
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:43,880
I don't have as much impact as I
think I do? 

1509
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:44,800
Yeah. 
That's rude. 

1510
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:45,840
Yeah. 
What are you saying to me? 

1511
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,280
What I'm saying is you can have 
an impact on the outcomes of 

1512
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,480
children Attainment. 
I'm talking about attainment. 

1513
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,720
So I can have an impact. 
You can have an impact, but it's

1514
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,360
small. 
OK. 

1515
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:01,560
The outcomes of children and how
they do educationally wise is 

1516
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:06,360
far more correlated to their 
their their intelligence. 

1517
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,840
Yeah, it's far more correlated 
to their personal 

1518
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,240
characteristics and their 
traits. 

1519
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,720
That is going to have much more 
of an impact on their outcomes 

1520
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,240
than the teacher in front of 
them. 

1521
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:16,640
OK. 
And how are you backing this? 

1522
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:17,440
Up. 
I'm backing this up with 

1523
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:18,680
research. 
This is from the Cambridge 

1524
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,320
University Press. 
It's been released by Douglas 

1525
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,040
Detterman. 
Douglas K Detterman, you can 

1526
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,560
search this up. 
And the title is Education and 

1527
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,560
Intelligence. 
Pity the poor teacher because 

1528
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:32,240
student characteristics are more
significant than teachers or 

1529
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,560
schools. 
And it could get you back up 

1530
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:36,800
when you hear that. 
And I get it. 

1531
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,640
But when you read it, it makes 
complete sense. 

1532
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,360
So there's a bit of a thought 
experiment here. 

1533
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,560
Imagine you get 50 classes of 
children. 

1534
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,840
OK. 
And in these fifty classes of 

1535
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,040
children, the ability of the 
children is completely mixed. 

1536
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,840
There's no streaming whatsoever.
There's mixed ability classes, 

1537
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,280
50 of them. 
And you have 50 teachers, OK. 

1538
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,640
And they're all various degrees 
of teaching, right? 

1539
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,960
And how competent they are as a 
teacher, because whatever metric

1540
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,360
you want to go by, there are 
some teachers that are better 

1541
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:06,480
than others. 
That's just. 

1542
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,120
Whatever it is, we've. 
Whatever it is. 

1543
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,800
From like best teachers, the 
worst teachers. 

1544
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,080
It sounds silly, but I get the 
idea that completely right. 

1545
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,560
So in this first set with the 
mixed classes, we put the 

1546
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,480
teachers from best teacher 
making the most impact possible,

1547
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,600
to the lowest teacher to making 
the least impact. 

1548
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,320
Possible, right? 
And we give them all a class. 

1549
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,000
We give them all a class that's 
mixed ability, and what we see 

1550
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:29,240
is the teachers who are better 
at making better outcomes do 

1551
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,880
make more progress than the 
other teachers at the bottom. 

1552
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,240
Right. 
So the outcomes of the children 

1553
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:37,720
that top class yeah, are better,
are better the children with the

1554
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,360
quote unquote worst. 
Exactly. 

1555
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,160
The teacher who isn't as good at
getting progress. 

1556
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:42,480
That's true. 
That happens. 

1557
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:47,520
However, what we do then is we 
take another set of 50 classes 

1558
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:51,480
with 20 children, but this time,
instead of ranking the teachers 

1559
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,400
from their ability, we're now 
going to stream the children. 

1560
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,200
So we have 50 classes of 20 
children. 

1561
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,880
So that's 1000 children and we 
take the top 20 children each 

1562
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,360
time and they're in the top set,
they're in the top group and we 

1563
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,120
take the next 20. 
So ranking the kids and the next

1564
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,280
intelligence exactly that. 
We're ranking the children by 

1565
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:09,960
their characteristics and their 
intelligence. 

1566
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:15,000
We see way more of a move 
regardless of what teachers with

1567
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,800
each class because we don't rank
the teachers anymore. 

1568
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,640
It's completely random. 
So the teachers are mixed. 

1569
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,520
The teachers are mixed. 
The best teacher might be with 

1570
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,040
the lowest class, or the middle 
teacher might be with the best 

1571
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,040
class, or what we say is the 
worst teacher might be with the 

1572
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,160
third best. 
It's completely. 

1573
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:27,360
Random. 
Yeah, all the teachers could 

1574
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,520
even be just the same level. 
Of exactly that, whatever, 

1575
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,560
whatever it is, No, with this 
case, the teachers are 

1576
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:32,360
different. 
That's the point. 

1577
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,840
That is literally the point 
because the ability of the 

1578
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,440
teacher doesn't have as much of 
an impact because what happens 

1579
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,160
is the children at the top make 
the most progress no matter what

1580
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,200
teacher they're with, right? 
And the point of this experiment

1581
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:48,040
is, yes, we have an impact, but 
by far and away the biggest 

1582
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,280
impact on a child's ability and 
outcome and intelligence and 

1583
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:55,640
growth is themselves. 
It already will be happening 

1584
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,640
because of how they are as a 
rounded individual. 

1585
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:58,960
Can I read the little bit of 
summary here? 

1586
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:00,840
Because I think I get that. 
That made complete sense to me. 

1587
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,080
I get that, right. 
So like I'm going to give you 

1588
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:04,320
numbers now for the difference, 
right? 

1589
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,680
So what what this study show, 
well tried to show at least, was

1590
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:12,920
that teachers in that first 
analogy accounted for 1% to 7% 

1591
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,400
of total variance of every level
of education. 

1592
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,680
So we're saying like the 
difference between that that 

1593
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,480
bottom like that worst teacher 
with a mixed ability class and 

1594
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:24,160
that amazing the the best 
whatever best means teacher was 

1595
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:28,480
like 7% was the difference. 
It accounts for 7% of of like 

1596
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,680
the yeah, the impact we can make
on on education. 

1597
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,640
Whereas for students, the 
intelligence, just their 

1598
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,360
intelligence accounts for 90% of
the variance associated with 

1599
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,680
learning gains. 
So essentially like it was, 

1600
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,240
yeah, like you said, the the top
ability children made the most 

1601
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,120
progress anyway, regardless of 
what teachers had. 

1602
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,760
And and what you said to me 
earlier is someone you've spoken

1603
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,200
to, someone who's essentially 
told you that in your career, 

1604
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,000
Like, yeah. 
No, this, so this again is it's 

1605
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,640
not nice. 
And people might be thinking, 

1606
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,320
well, yeah, obviously if 
children are more intelligent, 

1607
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,400
of course they're going to make 
more progress that that just 

1608
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,600
very quickly before we go on to 
what I was told, the whole point

1609
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,560
here is exactly, exactly. 
So when you're ploughing extra 

1610
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,320
loads of extra stuff into to and
being the best teacher you can 

1611
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,680
be, it does have an impact. 
But like we need to just it's 

1612
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,000
not as much as we might think it
is. 

1613
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:15,240
So I was told, I remember I did,
I had a lesson observation and 

1614
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,360
this is from SLTA while ago. 
This has really stuck on me 

1615
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,560
since. 
And essentially they said I had 

1616
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:25,480
a class of 32 and they said 25 
of these children, no matter 

1617
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,520
what you did, would have been 
absolutely fine. 

1618
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,120
This lesson, no matter what, no 
matter how you taught, no matter

1619
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:31,880
what you did, they would have 
behaved themselves well. 

1620
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:33,760
They have the characteristics to
listen. 

1621
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,240
They would have made progress. 
Do the work. 

1622
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,400
Because they would have done the
work that's in front of them and

1623
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:39,640
they would have got better at 
science. 

1624
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,640
There's another 10% which could 
go either way. 

1625
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:47,000
And that's down to maybe your 
ability then to help them and to

1626
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,240
keep them on task. 
And he, and he even said this to

1627
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,560
me, there are 10% who it 
honestly doesn't matter what you

1628
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,360
do, they're going to find this 
really tricky. 

1629
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:55,680
They're not quite accessing this
because they're just at that 

1630
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,760
same level or they're so 
disruptive that they won't do 

1631
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,120
any learning no matter what kind
of thing you do. 

1632
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,760
So his whole point now was, I'm 
not sure if he was trying to 

1633
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,440
make this point, but it really 
stuck with me From my point of 

1634
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,080
view was cool. 
I have an impact on 10% of these

1635
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,680
children. 
I, I have an impact in terms of 

1636
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:16,080
their progress and how much 
extra things they can learn is 

1637
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,200
quite small and is smaller than 
most teachers like to hear. 

1638
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,880
And where I can have a big 
impact on these children is more

1639
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,800
socially being a safe space, 
letting them talk about their 

1640
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,600
feelings, being a part of a room
where we can make mistakes, et 

1641
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,480
cetera. 
I don't want to diminish all of 

1642
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:34,840
that 'cause I think it's really 
important. 

1643
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:39,960
My point here, number six, is we
don't have as much of an impact 

1644
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,200
as we think we do. 
So next time you're justifying. 

1645
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,120
Oh God. 
But I just love the kids. 

1646
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,520
So I'm gonna spend 8 hours on 
Sunday replanning this stuff to 

1647
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,240
make it really, really amazing. 
You're having a one to 7% 

1648
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,400
difference. 
You're having a one to 7% 

1649
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:54,840
difference. 
Across the year, and that's one 

1650
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:56,760
lesson exactly. 
You're ploughing 8 hours into 

1651
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:57,960
into one week. 
Sorry. 

1652
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,280
Yeah. 
And across the whole year, 

1653
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,880
you're having a one to one to 7%
variance on their ability. 

1654
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:04,640
Yeah, it's a really important 
point. 

1655
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,840
And it sounds like, you know, I 
don't want anyone to listen to 

1656
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:08,960
this being like, God, these guys
are like buzz kill negative. 

1657
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,760
It can sound really negative. 
What I don't want you to take 

1658
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,840
from this is that we're that we 
think that therefore you 

1659
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:14,720
shouldn't do anything. 
No. 

1660
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,080
Yeah, completely. 
That's not what we're saying. 

1661
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,760
What we're saying here is if you
want to take back control of 

1662
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,840
your life as a teacher and start
gaining, you know, getting some 

1663
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,000
of your hours back outside of 
school, you've done your 

1664
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,760
reasonable hours and more, 
right? 

1665
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,600
Start looking at some of the 
tasks you do that you have given

1666
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,920
importance to, significant 
importance to in your mind, 

1667
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,320
maybe because of your own 
beliefs or because of the 

1668
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,480
culture of the school that 
you're in that have really 

1669
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,880
forced you to kind of think this
way and challenge it. 

1670
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,600
Because what you're, what we're 
saying here is you'll find that 

1671
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,720
if you stopped doing a lot of 
these things, you might think, 

1672
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,040
oh, that's going to have such a 
big impact because you've put so

1673
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,400
much importance on it. 
And what we're saying is it 

1674
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,680
probably won't at all. 
It probably won't have that much

1675
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:55,360
impact at all because teachers, 
we have a much smaller impact on

1676
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,080
children's academic success than
we think they do. 

1677
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,160
So that I'm going to reiterate 
one other point you said, 

1678
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:01,560
because I want to be so clear 
here. 

1679
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:02,280
No one. 
No one. 

1680
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:03,840
I was back at us with like 
saying, well, we think something

1681
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:05,280
we don't. 
Wait until this is slipped into 

1682
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,000
a one minute. 
Real, literally, yeah, quite, 

1683
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,680
you know, 10 minute real is that
we are talking about academic 

1684
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,200
intelligence. 
You know, we're talking about 

1685
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,440
that kind of success here. 
We are not talking about the 

1686
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,320
impact we can have on children 
holistically, which what Dylan 

1687
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:18,280
was talking about, the social 
stuff. 

1688
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:19,520
This is a different 
conversation. 

1689
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:22,800
We are advocates for. 
School should be a safe space 

1690
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:27,160
for children to enjoy their life
and have fun and become lovely 

1691
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,200
people. 
That is where I want to be 

1692
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:30,920
spending my time, having an 
impact on children. 

1693
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:34,840
I'm not, however, going to go 
home on on Sunday and change all

1694
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:38,320
of my fonts because the school 
has now decided there's a new 

1695
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:42,040
font policy because it will 
have, and in this case, I'm 

1696
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:45,120
being honest, that will have 0% 
impact on the outcomes of the 

1697
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,320
children socially or 
academically. 

1698
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,640
It will have absolutely none. 
It's not even going to snip into

1699
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,760
the 1%. 
Like there are some things that 

1700
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:52,920
are so absurd they don't do 
anything. 

1701
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,680
But there's, there's other 
things that I might deem as, do 

1702
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,520
you know what that probably 
would have a 1% impact. 

1703
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,200
I reckon I would see a 1% 
difference if I did this thing. 

1704
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,880
But this thing across the year 
is going to take me a total of 

1705
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:07,360
about 80 to 90 hours if I 
implemented it. 

1706
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,360
And it's just not worth it. 
And as a professional you should

1707
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:15,160
be able to say that's not worth 
it. 1% difference for 80 hours 

1708
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:18,400
of my time is not a fair trade 
on top of the hours I already 

1709
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,680
do, so I'm not gonna do it. 
And you're not a bad teacher for

1710
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:22,120
doing that. 
And if someone wants to argue 

1711
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:24,120
that it is, you're bad. 
You need to do that. 

1712
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,160
Just ask them why they're not 
doing 120 hours. 

1713
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,320
Yeah, just ask them why they're 
not doing 160 hours. 

1714
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:29,640
Oh, you do have a cut off. 
Cool. 

1715
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,720
Mine's at a different place. 
You don't care about the kids. 

1716
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:32,880
You could do another 10 hours a 
week. 

1717
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,880
Yeah, Yeah, I could, but. 
But I've got to have my dinner. 

1718
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,120
No, you don't. 
You could have a little snack 

1719
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:37,200
whilst you're doing. 
You're you're you're. 

1720
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:38,120
No. 
It're absurd. 

1721
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,360
You can always face the same 
argument. 

1722
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,160
It's just push, push, push, push
until they realise that there is

1723
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,400
no line to come. 
Full circle here while we finish

1724
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:45,600
up. 
I think what this does 

1725
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,880
beautifully is it comes back to 
our passion that we were saying 

1726
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,200
earlier about parents evening 
when we're talking about the 

1727
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,480
holistic view of the child and 
how that is the most important 

1728
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,240
thing. 
That is the thing that we see 

1729
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,480
have the biggest impact on 
attainment, have the biggest 

1730
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,960
impact on all outcomes in school
is how well-rounded we can build

1731
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:03,640
this child. 
And it takes a village to raise 

1732
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,880
a child and a school's role is 
in that too. 

1733
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:08,560
And I think we forget that 
sometimes. 

1734
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:10,920
We're so obsessed with data and 
league tables and attainment. 

1735
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,440
Yes, that's important. 
But when it comes to parents 

1736
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,400
evening and yes, opposite the 
parents of a child that you're 

1737
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:19,200
with every single day, I want 
that child to be polite, kind, 

1738
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,520
well-rounded, happy, safe. 
And if we can build that 

1739
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:26,000
together, that is going to have 
much more of an impact on that 

1740
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,319
child's outcomes, including 
attainment than anything else I 

1741
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:32,399
can do at the weekend on a slide
changing a font. 

1742
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,680
There we go, there we have it, 
the finale from dinner. 

1743
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,120
What a lovely point to finish on
and I hope you really, really 

1744
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:39,760
hope you enjoyed the six points 
and I hope you've managed to 

1745
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,319
action some of them at least, 
even straight away and. 

1746
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:44,279
Yeah. 
And can I pick up everyone who 

1747
01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:47,880
listens to us and understands 
what we're saying without trying

1748
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:49,920
to be malicious because that 
does it really does make up 

1749
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,520
because we we love the kids. 
And I love it when people 

1750
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,080
message us and say your passion 
really shines through about how 

1751
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,479
much you love teaching the 
children, etcetera. 

1752
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:58,359
Yes, that's everything we're 
saying here. 

1753
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,120
We love the kids, we love our 
colleagues, we want to help 

1754
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:04,040
everyone and this is our goal. 
So thank you to everyone who 

1755
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,479
listens and says, yeah, guys, 
well done because that is what 

1756
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:07,920
we're trying to do. 
So I appreciate that. 

1757
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,760
Appreciate you guys. 
Anyway, until next time, bye.