1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,880 Hello everyone, Welcome back to another episode of TC Repeat. 2 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:02,960 My name is Dylan and my name is Tatum. 3 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:04,800 And if you're back at school this week, well, we've got a 4 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,760 question and answer podcast episode for you on your commute 5 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,280 to brighten your morning. And if you're still off, why not 6 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,440 listen anyway? Do it and if which you already 7 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:15,960 are, yeah. So thanks. 8 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:17,880 Just drive to school anyway so you can listen to us. 9 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,600 You couldn't possibly drive anywhere else when you listen to 10 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,320 this podcast. I wonder what people do you know 11 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,360 when? Because a lot of people listen 12 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,920 to us as their routine, commuting to work. 13 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,640 That's what the vast majority of people do, Sure. 14 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,440 But when you're off on holiday, obviously I'm wondering what 15 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,320 people do when they put this podcast on. 16 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,640 I don't know, I just can't. Maybe because it's mine podcast. 17 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,160 And I just can't imagine, you know, just going for a walk and 18 00:00:43,160 --> 00:00:44,040 playing it. Yeah. 19 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:45,680 I don't know, like, clearly some people do. 20 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:46,320 It's quite cool. Yeah. 21 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:47,600 I reckon. I reckon generally just like 22 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,200 mindless tasks as well. I know whenever we're cleaning 23 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,960 in the house. Lauren Lawrence, Airpods 24 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,680 straight in. Yeah, listening to a podcast, 25 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,640 hopefully this one. By the way, anyone who's 26 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,040 listened to a few episodes recently, we both have separate 27 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:00,480 partners called Lauren. We. 28 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,160 We don't have just one Lauren who both are children. 29 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:09,600 It just happens to be. We do a lot of things in a 30 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,240 similar way at the same time, but they are separate humans. 31 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:14,720 We promise. They are both teachers and we 32 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,200 did meet them both at the same school, but they are separate. 33 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,080 Separate Laurens. Maybe first question, why are 34 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,080 teachers the biggest hypocrites in the world? 35 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,640 Just sit in a staff meeting and listen to the chatter while 36 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,440 someone is trying to speak. PS Love the pod. 37 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,880 Fair plays that started, I was like, oh, it's a bit me. 38 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:33,840 It's true. That is a thing, isn't it? 39 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,400 Do as I say, not as I do, because I've delivered staff 40 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,920 meetings and I've been sacked there when someone else is doing 41 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,520 staff meetings and felt my insides boil with rage. 42 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:44,480 Because other people are talking. 43 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,080 Talk, stop talking. You spend your whole day saying 44 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,720 to children how when someone's talking, it's rude to speak 45 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,720 whilst they're speaking to you and then just they're chatting. 46 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,400 Like again, we, we protect teachers a lot Hayden, and we 47 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,680 talk about teachers a lot on this podcast, but that is just 48 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:01,840 rude. Yeah, it's just rude. 49 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,440 And all I was going to open this up to is you quite often on this 50 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,000 podcast say that there are just rules that apply to children and 51 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,360 other rules for adults simply because they're children and 52 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,120 we're adults completely. This is not one of them, right? 53 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,560 This is just, like, etiquette, basic courtesy. 54 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,400 Yeah. It's not, you know, we, we 55 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,640 talked about uniform before play a difference there. 56 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:21,760 But like, obviously teachers still have a certain level. 57 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,160 If someone's talking to you in and there's only like, let's 58 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,440 bear in mind there's only like 12 people in the room. 59 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,800 We can just hear you talking. And do you know what the worst 60 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:32,880 thing is? Like if you're just chatting 61 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,600 away, that's fine. And then someone's like, OK, 62 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,560 guys, let's just carry on. And then we'll go, that's fine. 63 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,640 Yeah, of course. But if, if it happens so often 64 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:42,040 that someone's giving a talk at the front and they go like, 65 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,240 great, OK guys, let's move on. I want to go into this now. 66 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,160 And then they just get completely ignored. 67 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,040 Yeah, I'm just like, how can you be so rude anyway? 68 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,200 But also when you're coming off a day where you've just spent 69 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,080 the day explaining to young children why they must learn to 70 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,680 be courteous and kind and and understanding what I'm talking 71 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:00,920 to. Them and listen when the person 72 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:02,680 at the front is delivering some information. 73 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:03,840 To them winds me up. Yeah, do. 74 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,840 You know what we should do, like, you know, we talked about 75 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:06,960 the National Literary Trust Scholar. 76 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,840 We got invited to that. There was one point there where 77 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:10,080 obviously there's a lot of people in that room. 78 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,000 I think I'm around 200 people and the person speaking at on 79 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:19,520 the stage at one point, just like really just quite quite 80 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,160 confidently. I respected it. 81 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,040 I was like, do you know what? He did not go, oh guys, can we 82 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,680 stop? He was just like basically 83 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,600 saying everyone shut up. Like he was just straight to the 84 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:30,520 point. And I'll tell you what, 85 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:31,680 everyone, shut up. I'll tell you what though as 86 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,080 well, if someone, someone might listen to that and go, well 87 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,040 don't speak to me like that, I'm an adult, don't talk whilst he's 88 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,640 talking. Then the first thing comes from 89 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,080 you being rude. You can't be rude and then be 90 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,200 like, well don't treat me like a kid. 91 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,720 Don't. Like 1 So in a staff meeting, 92 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,600 then what other what? Let's think of like maybe 3 top 93 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,120 ways that you can combat this. I think maybe from the 94 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,200 perspective of the person who's at the front, like you got, you 95 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:56,560 got people speaking, you're trying to deliver. 96 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:02,480 What do we do? Shut the fuck me, that's one. 97 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,000 Yeah, that's one. You got another one. #2 98 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,840 establish earlier callback. So I'm going to teach you a 99 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,240 callback very quickly. Yeah, I'm going to say shut the 100 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:14,560 and then you say OK, OK, ready. Shut the car and that'll get 101 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:15,800 more quiet. Right, so everyone says that. 102 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,640 Back. And the third option is to 103 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,279 simply just scream in their face. 104 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,640 Yeah, like incoherent. So go up to the, there's a 105 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,600 couple of people nattering maybe on that table over there. 106 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,120 You're the host and you're trying to move on what you do. 107 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,120 Just stop what you're doing, walk up to the table and scream 108 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,440 as loudly as you can. Just not an actual the word 109 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:33,360 just. Like the kind of the kind of 110 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,160 screen where you go red in the face if it comes out. 111 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:36,960 Yeah, yeah. And then when they inevitably 112 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,200 listen, you just just wipe your spittle off your face, wipe it 113 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,320 off theirs if it's calling them and you say thank you. 114 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:43,600 We're just moving on now. Courteous. 115 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:44,480 Wipe it off them. Exactly. 116 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,280 You've got a model being courteous, haven't you? 117 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,160 If you spit on someone, make sure you wipe it off. 118 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:51,600 That's just the it's the least you can do. 119 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,200 Oh God, winds me up. Yeah, it is annoying. 120 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,360 Keeping any other example, I just feel, I just feel like in 121 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,080 general, obviously teachers, we have really high standards for 122 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,080 the children and we always try and it's quite hard to not be 123 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,000 hypocrites. I mean, there's an easy one that 124 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,280 we can more sort of jovial in terms of being hypocrite is 125 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:09,640 whenever we teach them honestly anything about how to live a 126 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,320 healthy life. Like let's be honest, like some 127 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,480 people are extremely healthy and absolute role models. 128 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,520 The majority of people are normal. 129 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,560 And then you get to our level of sort of off the scale in terms 130 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,520 of. Don't be abandoned me in with. 131 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:23,080 This. Yeah. 132 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:24,760 You know, I think you are out there with me. 133 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:26,920 But yeah, didn't you have always book old for breakfast? 134 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,640 Yeah, cheers. We're a healthy snack school. 135 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,200 Don't go in my cupboard though because I absolutely do not 136 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,520 adhere to. This Sir, can I have Christmas 137 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:35,960 at break time? No, obviously not. 138 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,160 Well, why can you? I saw you through the window 139 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:43,320 eating A4 bags of shut the. And that's why you established 140 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,120 very quickly routines of your class, yes? 141 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,600 Oh God, there you go. Anything anymore? 142 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,800 No, I don't want to. I don't want to move on. 143 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,520 Yeah, go on then, go on. Next question hi Dylan and 144 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,520 Hayden paragraph 2.1 set this is very formal very I like this 145 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:00,840 this research has gone into this I'm. 146 00:06:00,840 --> 00:06:03,080 Already vexed because you said and and Hayden as if it was in 147 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,240 brackets. As if I'm not part of Hi Dylan 148 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:07,880 and Hayden. Hi, Dylan and Hayden and the 149 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:08,680 other? Oh, he's in there as well. 150 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:09,960 Yeah. Hi, Dylan. 151 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,080 Hi, Dylan. Karen is very official. 152 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,120 And Hayden question paragraph 2.17 of the School Admissions 153 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,600 Code requires admission authorities to provide for the 154 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,960 admission of all children in the September following their 4th 155 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,240 birthday. Most parents are happy for their 156 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:24,560 child to start school at this point. 157 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,480 Children are not required to attend school until they reach 158 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,440 compulsory school age. Children born from the 1st of 159 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,120 April up until the 31st of August, known as the summer born 160 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,520 children, do not need to start school until the September after 161 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,240 their 5th birthday, a year after they could have first started. 162 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,080 A parent may request their summer born child is admitted 163 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,520 out of their normal age group at this point to reception rather 164 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,960 than to year one. I did this for my son who is a 165 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,200 very late August baby and was born slightly early before his 166 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,600 early September due date. So he started school in 167 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,040 reception and just turned 5 instead of having just turned 4 168 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,200 as he would have if it was done naturally. 169 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,760 He has no additional needs but wasn't ready for school and 170 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,280 would have been a very young starting at his starting point. 171 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,200 He is now year 3 and is absolutely in the right year 172 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,360 group for him. I faced a lot of opposition for 173 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:16,920 my decision from other teachers too. 174 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,960 Do you have any experience of summer borns who are out of 175 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,200 their chronological cohort? If So, what are your views on 176 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,240 this? That is fascinating. 177 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,840 I until very recently genuinely did not know this was an option. 178 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,280 So I was in the middle and I'm wondering if this is where you 179 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:33,520 were maybe so we can explain a bit. 180 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,360 I knew that you could delay the start of school. 181 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,960 So for example let's say you're summer born and the the 182 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,880 government have to provide you with a September space even if 183 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,280 it's like 2 days after your birthday. 184 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:45,960 Yep, because it's the September after you're 4. 185 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,520 But I knew you could say no, but I thought then when your child 186 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,600 joins school they had to join in year 1. 187 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,080 At the chronological. Point at the chronological 188 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,200 point. So I, I, I and a mixed 189 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,640 understanding of this, but it's very, very interesting actually 190 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,080 that you can, you don't have to put them in that. 191 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,320 You can actually just take that decision for them to be the 192 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,600 oldest then in the in the cohort below. 193 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,560 Well, in 10 years of teaching, I've never taught a child who 194 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,520 fits this description. No, they've always see their 195 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:11,680 ages. Yeah, you've got their ages. 196 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,680 And I would have definitely noticed that, that one point 197 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,840 that an anomaly like that. Yeah, I've never thought to 198 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,520 myself, oh, that person's born the year before. 199 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:18,280 Everyone else? Me neither. 200 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,240 So I just presumed it wasn't a thing, but I've seen it going 201 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:22,360 around social media a lot recently. 202 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,800 People talked about this. Yeah, why wouldn't you? 203 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Yeah, I agree. Like my cousin was born on 204 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,000 August 31st and was in, you know, the correct cohort in 205 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,640 terms. Of you correct hate and use your 206 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:33,840 language properly, you know what I'm saying? 207 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,600 Chronological one? Yeah, the one we couldn't be 208 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,840 correct for her to or him to have been in the one after. 209 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,559 Absolutely right. It's a wrong choice of language. 210 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,280 And I just think if yeah, if I had a child that close, I mean 211 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,040 I'd be interested to see what your cut off is in a minute. 212 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,200 But like August 31st to me as a no brainer, I'm like. 213 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,120 Come on, The cut off is when you you spent four years with your 214 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:53,800 own kid and you understand whether they're ready for score 215 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:54,120 or not. Sure. 216 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:55,320 Yeah, that's the cut off really, isn't it? 217 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,520 It's like so this person knew they weren't ready and it was 218 00:08:57,560 --> 00:08:58,440 fine. Exactly that. 219 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,560 So do you think it's good to have that leeway then of that, 220 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:02,160 you know, those few months before I said, what was it? 221 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,080 April, April the 1st up to August 31st, right. 222 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,760 Do you think it's a good thing then that we just give people 223 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,600 the leeway that if that within that bracket, they can just 224 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,200 choose. They can just choose or my kids 225 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,920 not ready yet. I, I, I, I think so, yeah, I 226 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,000 think so. Because having a harsh cut off 227 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:21,040 point just means you've decided that those children who are one 228 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,120 2-3 days before whether they are ready or not are going into 229 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,160 school. So having this like nice kind of 230 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,040 grace period of a few months where actually the parent can 231 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,440 decide based on they know their child best. 232 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,800 There may well be, you may well have a summer. 233 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,960 I was summer born. I was born on August the 8th. 234 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,280 So I was very, very young in my year group, but I stayed in my 235 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,240 chronological case. I went to school when the 236 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:41,760 chronological cohort went to school. 237 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,480 And I think it would be fair to say if I asked my mum or I look 238 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,480 back at my experience, that that was the right decision for me. 239 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,000 Yeah. I was ready for school. 240 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,680 I, I enjoyed school. I was, you know, I felt like my, 241 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:53,280 my parents felt like I was at that age. 242 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:54,480 You did well. I did well. 243 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:55,640 It's fine. It was fine for me. 244 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:56,800 And I think that was the right decision. 245 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,560 And I think holding it back and me doing reception a year later 246 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,840 would have just been kicking the can down the road unnecessarily 247 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:02,920 for me personally. Yeah. 248 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,400 However, there'd be someone else born on August the 8th who would 249 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:06,800 get to that point. And absolutely the right 250 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,280 decision for them would be to wait a year. 251 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,280 Yeah. And I actually think waiting a 252 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,440 year and then not doing reception and just doing year 253 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:20,400 one is, is actually, it feels to me as if the worst of the three. 254 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:21,800 Yeah, yeah, Yeah. Which is what you thought this 255 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:22,760 was before. Yeah, exactly. 256 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,240 Which is why I always thought to myself, like, OK, might not 257 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,360 quite be ready, but you miss all of reception. 258 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,320 Yeah, yeah. Which is like it seems like a 259 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,880 really key part of fundamental that and then you do year 1 and 260 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,160 you would have done year one anyway. 261 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,400 And just having not had a year of school beforehand, surely 262 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:36,600 that's worse, right. Exactly. 263 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:37,760 And that's what I always thought to myself. 264 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,280 And it's always down to the parents, like, you know, they 265 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,280 mentioned here in this question about they've had a lot of 266 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,080 opposition, especially from other teachers as well. 267 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:45,680 Yeah. And I just think to myself, even 268 00:10:45,680 --> 00:10:47,840 in that situation, if a parent had decided that was best for 269 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,040 their kid, who am I to say that's right? 270 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:50,760 Yeah, it's odd. The idea of opposition to this 271 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,160 is strange to me. I mean, I can't even think of 272 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:53,080 like, maybe I'm missing something. 273 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:54,680 What would what is here to oppose? 274 00:10:54,680 --> 00:10:56,000 Like, why would you be annoyed about that? 275 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,920 Are they going to be slightly bloody taller? 276 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,360 More time with their own family before they go to school and 277 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,920 have the same like. As a teacher, it's like, if 278 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:04,560 anything, this is. Good for you and this child 279 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:07,200 could have been born. Two days later, yeah. 280 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,440 Yeah, two days later. And they would have just been in 281 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:10,920 that gear group they're in anyway. 282 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,080 I always love it when, in this particular situation, when they 283 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,560 said they're actually due to be born in September. 284 00:11:15,560 --> 00:11:16,640 Yeah. So the fact they were slightly 285 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,480 premature, I'm like they were even cooking at the same point 286 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,160 as the other child that came out a week that was just born on a 287 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,880 due date, which was their due date, like, and there are 288 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,160 different cohorts now and they're the same, like they just 289 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:27,920 had different time in the womb. Like this is crazy. 290 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,600 To me it highlights the craziness of a really harsh cut 291 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,440 off point. So the fact it exists that 292 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,640 there's this like grey area where you can make a decision, 293 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:36,840 yeah, is obviously the best, it's the best way to go. 294 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,960 About it and it's a big window to be fair from April I presume. 295 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,480 I actually just presumed because I didn't know the dates to 296 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,160 recently when I was learning about this bit more. 297 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:44,640 I just thought, oh, it must have just been like August or 298 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:45,960 something. But it's quite a big but then 299 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,800 again, does it? Is there any way in saying OK 300 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,160 your child is born at the end of March? 301 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:52,400 Yeah. No, no, I don't think there is 302 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,040 because it goes back far enough. Yeah. 303 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,560 Where I think it's just at that point it's fair enough to say 304 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:58,720 like you are literally halfway through that year. 305 00:11:58,720 --> 00:11:59,120 Yeah. Yeah. 306 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,400 So March is the third month, September's the 9th month. 307 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,880 It's just saying like you're in the first half of this year. 308 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,480 So you know, even and you could say a lot for April born 309 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,440 children, the vast majority will just be ready. 310 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,120 Yeah, sure. It's like the odd one. 311 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:12,200 Yeah, it'll tail off, basically. Yeah. 312 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,360 Of course it will. And although there always has to 313 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,280 be clearly a cut off point, like you are getting a lot of that in 314 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:19,200 there. And if there's a special 315 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,720 educational need, which I would assume that it's more likely to 316 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,240 be down those down that down that line as to why a child 317 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,120 might not be ready if they were born that early. 318 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,160 Yeah, it would be more likely to be because of a special 319 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:30,800 education. That's true. 320 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,080 Hopefully there'll be something more things in place for support 321 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,320 for that child as well. So it's not about, you know, we 322 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:36,840 want anyone to fall through the gaps here. 323 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,280 But I feel like this is a a good policy. 324 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,120 And if as a parent, this person's decided to do this, 325 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,520 that's absolutely the right thing to do. 326 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,320 And like you said here, look, he's now in year 3. 327 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:47,400 He's absolutely in the right year group. 328 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,960 He would have been in that year group if the Labour had 329 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,560 literally gone on for 24 more hours. 330 00:12:51,560 --> 00:12:52,600 Yeah. Yeah, exactly right. 331 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,360 Of course, it doesn't matter what what? 332 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:55,800 What opposition do you have to that? 333 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,000 It's a net good. They've got an extra year of 334 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,560 their family. They've got an extra year at 335 00:12:59,560 --> 00:13:01,760 home. Like they didn't rush into it. 336 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,240 Why are they? Rushing the only opposition I 337 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,280 think people could have, which is based on them 338 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,240 misunderstanding this is that they, if someone then thinks Oh 339 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,960 well now I've got to cater for a wider range of needs because 340 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,200 that child is a year older and they're missing the whole 341 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,880 fundamental point of the only reason that's happened in the 342 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,160 1st place is because they weren't ready to school at that 343 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:20,720 age. So that's the only one I can 344 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,920 think of when maybe people misunderstand it and think 345 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:24,360 because you don't have to as a teacher. 346 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,960 Oh now, now I've got to differentiate a year above is 347 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,720 that no, you're missing the point. 348 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,240 They are just doing year one here as if Imagine you didn't 349 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,720 know the dates of birth. There you go. 350 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,040 That's the way to imagine it. And yeah, just thinking about 351 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,520 slightly because it's such an interesting question, thinking 352 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:44,240 more about summer born children in general, having, you know, 353 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,920 myself been born in the summer and you're born in the summer to 354 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,400 be fair as well. And I did quite well 355 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,120 academically and I liked school. I remember growing up thinking 356 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,480 that, oh, it's just an excuse. I'm going, how are you? 357 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:55,480 Why? Why do summer kids get more 358 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,200 like, you know, I'm a summer kid and I'm fine. 359 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,920 That classic, that classic, like my own experience is all I've 360 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:00,920 got. So I'm going to judge everything 361 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,920 on that, having been a teacher for 10 years, that you you 362 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,240 absolutely notice it. Yeah, it's clear as that. 363 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,840 It's clear as that and obviously there are exceptions, right. 364 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,520 But if you look after a general trend, yeah, children born in 365 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,640 September compared to children born in August are markedly 366 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:18,960 different, especially the lower down. 367 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,080 You go 100% even one class might not be enough. 368 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,600 You put 100,000 kids though on a graph, you're going to see that 369 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,040 trend line. It does exist. 370 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,280 Yeah, even even everything back to my career of teaching for 10 371 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,080 different classes yeah, I I could see that trend of intent 372 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,240 absolutely was was a thing. I agree. 373 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,760 And you know, it's it's you can't look at one example and 374 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,840 and then that'd be the basis for your view on something. 375 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,040 There's a reason why in select, you know, you know, 11 plus 376 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,360 tests, etcetera. There's age standardisation. 377 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,160 It's not because they just want to do it. 378 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,880 It's because scientifically backed by research and evidence 379 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,600 that they have, they see that there's a margin that they 380 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,040 account for and that's fair. I always find that. 381 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,120 Interesting, particularly with the 11 plus, right, because 382 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,360 those kids are obviously at the end of Year 5, starting year 6, 383 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:57,880 when they typically take that test. 384 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,960 The difference a year makes to the percentage of proportion of 385 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:02,680 their life at that point is actually quite significant, 386 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:03,920 isn't it? Like if you're 10%? 387 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,280 It's huge, Yeah. Because, of course, because I'm 388 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,200 10 years old. So, like, it makes sense, you 389 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:08,640 know, 100% because it needs to exist. 390 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,240 But oh, they all learnt the same thing. 391 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:11,640 Was like, yeah, but the brains are developing. 392 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,040 The brains are developing. And this goes to what people are 393 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,920 saying here. Would that, you know, is waiting 394 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:17,320 better? Yeah. 395 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,440 They get another year of brain development before they learn 396 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:20,280 the things they would have learned. 397 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,400 Of course they're going to learn their things better and more 398 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,120 deeply because they'll be more ready to do. 399 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:25,280 That exactly. And we know that's true. 400 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,240 And we say this about the curriculum even all the time. 401 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,320 Like one of the big gripes of the curriculum is why are we 402 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,040 cramming so much stuff early on it it's so much less efficient. 403 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,760 Yeah, we can spend 5 weeks trying to teach a four year old 404 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,920 what the concept of 1/2, or we can just wait till they're six 405 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,960 and they'll get it in 2 days. Wait till they're 9. 406 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,600 Yeah, genuinely, my my numbers are made-up. 407 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,240 There are the idea, the idea of like, yeah, it's just 408 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:47,640 completely, yeah, whatever there we. 409 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:49,000 Go. We have to be really picky about 410 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,760 what we're teaching young kids. Basically what we're saying 411 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,480 definitely because it's we really need to prioritise 412 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,160 properly because some things are just a waste of time. 413 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:55,840 Absolutely. Right. 414 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,320 Next question which half term is the hardest slog and why? 415 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:01,920 Well, I've not been a teacher for six months. 416 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,320 How can I possibly know? Why does it matter that I've 417 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,280 been there for 10 years beforehand? 418 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,600 Oh, possibly. Sorry, didn't half terms are 419 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,360 fundamentally changed. We don't experience this 420 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,080 anymore. They're completely different. 421 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,840 People who are listening to this for the first time that I've 422 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,160 missed out on that little conversation. 423 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,760 Yeah, that was last week. Go check out last week when you 424 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,280 were all on Easter break. Which half term is the hardest 425 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,560 slog and why? Winter 2, Winter 2? 426 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,400 Why that one? So just let's be really clear to 427 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,400 people. Let's just do 123456. 428 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,320 Yeah, it's the second one. Yeah. 429 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,400 And it's because it is almost always 8 weeks long. 430 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,560 Because the point where we start to school to Christmas is fixed 431 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,000 pretty much, isn't it? It's not like Easter. 432 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,160 Easter moves around. So the terms after are weird. 433 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,680 Sometimes you get a four. We had a four week term once. 434 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:46,800 I know. And we have like a five week 435 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,880 term, Six week term. They all tend to be a bit 436 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,480 shorter. Easter, sorry, winter 2, the one 437 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,280 just before Christmas tends to be like 8 weeks long. 438 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,320 It's cold, it's horrible. You can't really do much after 439 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,760 all before school because it's wet and cold and windy and dark. 440 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,920 It's not an enjoyable place to be in general in this country. 441 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:09,280 And it's, it's where I feel like you're, you're so early on in 442 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:10,839 the year, you're still getting to know your kids, you're still 443 00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:13,560 trying to push up expectations, you're trying to push them as 444 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,200 much as possible and get the most out of them. 445 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,880 And there's so much else going on as well that you've got to 446 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,960 cram in and think about like Christmas plays, Christmas 447 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,280 fates, Christmas fares. It's just non, non, non-stop. 448 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:24,839 And I always felt like the Christmas holidays. 449 00:17:24,839 --> 00:17:27,800 I just had to recover. Yeah, and you go into that term 450 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,520 off the back of a one week off typically. 451 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,600 Some schools get 2, but most schools get one week off after a 452 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,080 pretty long term. Term. 1 usually. 453 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,680 Seven. Yeah, usually 7:00 and 8:00. 7 454 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,640 and 8 exactly and even if they were the same length or at least 455 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,480 with the first time you had the six weeks summer holiday 456 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,920 beforehand, whereas this one is that you're one week off and 457 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,880 you're straight back in. I agree because people often 458 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,520 compare the one you're saying so winter 2 with the very last term 459 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,040 of the year as well because the summer summer 2 is often quite 460 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,160 long as well. Yeah, it is. 461 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,360 And and obviously at that point like you've, you know, you're 462 00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:55,120 actually at the end of the year now, so you've had the whole 463 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:57,920 year backlog behind you well. You're a year 6 teacher so after 464 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,160 such a difficult anyway so. It's fine. 465 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:01,920 There's my personally, even somebody who's great, I'll do 466 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:03,360 that all year. But I think the main difference 467 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:05,200 between them is honestly, even though the time can be quite 468 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,360 similar and maybe the exhaustion as well between you know #1 and 469 00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:11,640 #2 of the big term, winter sucks in terms of weather. 470 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,400 Like everything you said about the weather does actually have a 471 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,320 huge impact. I saw, I saw loads of reels 472 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,560 recently because obviously it became sunny for a couple of 473 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,840 days in the UK in March. And there were there were people 474 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,240 saying you don't realise the quite the negative effect that 475 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,040 the horrendous winter of dark days has on your mood. 476 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,360 That then when it actually goes away and when the sun comes out, 477 00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:35,120 you're like, oh, this is what it feels like to be human. 478 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:36,840 Yeah. It's, it's insane happiness. 479 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,240 Yeah. Genuinely, I feel like that I I. 480 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:40,720 What's it called seasonal? Depression. 481 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:42,160 Yeah. Sad, isn't it Seasonal. 482 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:43,920 Oh. I don't know, whatever. 483 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,240 It's sad what you feel. Maybe sad's just a feeling. 484 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:47,880 You're a little card with a sad face. 485 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,560 Hayden, you're feeling sad today. 486 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:50,520 That's just how they describe to. 487 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,560 Me. Yeah, seasonal, effective, 488 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,040 effective to. Stop trying to make some work, 489 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,280 yeah. XAD, that's fine, XAD. 490 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:58,280 But yeah, it's real. It's real. 491 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,360 Definitely real. Let's do another question, if 492 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:03,200 you're allowed to pick any 2 foundation subjects and 493 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,520 foundation subjects, are all subjects for English and Maths 494 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,960 for non teachers to be taught by the PPAHLTA instead of you, 495 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,120 which ones would you pick? I actually don't think the HTA 496 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:14,440 should be covering my lessons. All right, get over there. 497 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:15,320 Now you've done that bit. What? 498 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,480 Was the answer actually you think they are taking a punch 499 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,360 job and not paid nearly enough to do that job? 500 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,800 OK, so I'm going to rephrase this question for you. 501 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,560 H LTA is that there? I don't expect you to do that 502 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:24,880 for me. Wow, my Bennett, that's really 503 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,320 nice. I'm picking RA, so how much is? 504 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,920 Going to be covered. Cool, that whole time I was 505 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,280 thinking, well good virtue signalling, but they're doing RE 506 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:38,400 got. My HLTA taught RE for me in my 507 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,480 ECT year, Mrs Laffey and she did a fantastic job and I was very 508 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,520 grateful to enough to teach that subject. 509 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,360 Personally. I I do you know what I I 510 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:49,840 actually quite like RE. Yeah, me too, I'm saying. 511 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,480 So I wouldn't actually pick RE because I really like teaching 512 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,920 kids about the different religions, etcetera. 513 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,320 And I feel like if it's done the right way, it's really, really 514 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,240 good lesson. I only like teaching Ari if I 515 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,160 get to indoctrinate the children to a particular region. 516 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,240 That's the only time indoctrination. 517 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,120 Like yeah, so we're doing Christianity for the 7th time. 518 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:08,760 Wow, there's a reason for that. Read between the lines, kid. 519 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,960 Why is my school called St Something? 520 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,400 Yeah, because that's the indoctrination we all agree is 521 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,320 good in England. Charge of England, English 522 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,000 patriotism. We're all going to think this. 523 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,680 And can you say God's great? Probably not. 524 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:30,280 So PPA then obviously RE is a is a funny one kind of this one. 525 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:31,480 There's a there's a quote to that. 526 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,600 By the way, there is like a legitimate side of that is that 527 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,080 you'd have to do it. It was I have to do it. 528 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:36,800 It was a it was a written marked lesson. 529 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,280 So that I crack on. Don't give away. 530 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,440 Don't give away my art. Well, so your so your letter the 531 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,320 H Poor HLTA, yeah. Yeah, absolutely go against 532 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:44,640 everything I've ever said on this podcast. 533 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,480 OK, I I think I'm going to put PE out there. 534 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,560 And the reason is because I think, I think, and This is why 535 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:52,960 I'm I'm I told you it's going to change. 536 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,200 It's not my HLTAI think PE should be taught by qualified 537 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,480 coaches. OK, you pulled that back. 538 00:20:58,480 --> 00:20:59,800 That was going to rock bottom for a second. 539 00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:02,640 You pulled it back. No, no, I, I, I actually think 540 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,880 that you should get a couple of PE lessons a week and we should 541 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,520 do one of them as a class teacher and be like part of, I 542 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,880 understand my class really well and do skills and stuff like 543 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,840 that, whatever it might be. But I do think. 544 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,120 I don't think that. We'll come back to that. 545 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,600 But I do strongly think that exercise PE is so important and 546 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,120 a professional should be doing it with the kids. 547 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,240 Yeah, absolutely. Why? 548 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,040 Why you don't You don't think? I do think. 549 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,680 That no, I'm just being silly. I'm being, I'm being lazy. 550 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,040 I, I think I agree, I think PE should be on a pedestal. 551 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,640 It should be taught more often. The ideal situation is, is 552 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,280 always to me, I think taught by an expert so they can actually 553 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:36,440 just get the most out of the subject. 554 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,120 But I think in in failure of that, which is realistically 555 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:41,320 everywhere and we should absolutely just be doing PE with 556 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,000 the kids as well, you know? What happens a lot, and I see it 557 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,720 a lot and there's a lot of people who message us about this 558 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,840 and they're worried about this, is that, you know, PE quite 559 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,360 often for PPA is, is kind of schools higher out, you know, 560 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:54,640 coaching companies, right? And those coaching companies 561 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,000 have overheads. They need to make a profit, 562 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,400 etcetera, blah, blah. They get a contract with the 563 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,240 school. Maybe they've got a few actual 564 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,360 coaches who are qualified maybe. And then lots of apprentices, 565 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,720 young children, 161718 year olds who work for them at an 566 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,080 apprentice rate, really cheap, not fully qualified yet. 567 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,120 And those apprentices end up taking a lot of the PE lessons 568 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:13,720 because obviously they've got a loan on the job as well. 569 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,880 Yeah, of course the problem becomes, well, they're 161718 570 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,400 year old apprentices, they're not specialists and I'm not 571 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,240 being funny a lot of the time. The classroom teacher could 572 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,240 deliver a better PE lesson and the school is still paying extra 573 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:25,480 for them through the coaching system. 574 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,720 So there's there's something going on there where we need to 575 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,200 be really careful about the quality and what our children 576 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,680 are getting because it feels as if a lot of the time it can be 577 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,840 kind of like ticked off as like, yeah, P ES covered. 578 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,160 Guys, we've got this coaching team in. 579 00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:39,880 They're going to cover it. Oh my God, we don't have to 580 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,760 think about it anymore. Write the cheque, see you later. 581 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,000 Yeah. But if you actually were to hold 582 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,320 those accountable as to what they're actually teaching, I've 583 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,760 seen some some absolutely terrible PE lessons. 100%, it 584 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:55,160 makes me realise that PE is definitely a victim of squished 585 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,640 budgets. Yeah, because really what used 586 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,240 to happen and it doesn't happen as much anymore, is schools 587 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,200 would have a PE teacher Exactly. You'd have a PE specialist who 588 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,600 worked full time for the school. And that is something that I've 589 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,040 noticed over the years from personal experience and also 590 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,360 just talking to people through this podcast. 591 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,760 That's it gets it gets they they go, you know, along with the 592 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,920 Tasmania, the, the people that are squashed out of the system 593 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,480 because the school needs to save money because they've had 594 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,200 another year of unfunded pay rises. 595 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,480 They've got to account for the PE teacher goes the the extra 596 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,360 Tasmania go. Oh, you've got one family layer 597 00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:27,640 as an officer. Oh, you've got none now. 598 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,200 Like the people like that, the the fringe jobs that aren't 599 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,760 literally just you're a teacher in front of kids in the 600 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,520 classroom all day. They just go. 601 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,040 I'm not not by the way, I'm not blaming anyone in this situation 602 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,880 because what you've summed up is absolutely right. 603 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,760 If it's cheaper and lot of schools are finding this, it's 604 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,160 cheaper to get a coaching company to come in and do that 605 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,520 than it is to hire someone full time. 606 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,200 Well, there's only one reason it's cheaper. 607 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,200 Yeah, it's because they're hiring apprentices at a much 608 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,960 lower rates for the job. It's only one reason it's 609 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,720 cheaper and more effective to do that. 610 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,200 So obviously you, there is no shortcut here. 611 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,200 You can't save money and get the same standard. 612 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,320 It's going to dip. But because it's kind of 613 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,800 external, I feel like it gets less of the, the kind of eyes in 614 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,680 it than it would normally do. And I think it can be just 615 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,240 assumed that, well, it's a coaching company. 616 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,480 Doing this does not necessarily mean that it's quality. 617 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,640 Like if you used to have APE specialist in your school doing 618 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,640 PE all the time with your children, who's done it for the 619 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,600 whole career and that's their job and their speciality. 620 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,400 And then you just, you know, you, you get rid of them to save 621 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,800 money and you and the money you saved, you put into a coaching 622 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,600 company to do it. It's not going to be equivalent. 623 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,240 No. And everyone needs to understand 624 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,560 that. And I'm not even, I'm genuinely 625 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,400 not even necessarily blaming the coaching companies for this 626 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,240 because they are what they are. They're not actually hiding 627 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,200 anything whatsoever. No, but we can't pretend that 628 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,240 it's going to be equivalent. And also not assuming that all 629 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,120 apprentices are just absolutely dreadful and terrible. 630 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:42,960 Like it's just. Above some amazing I I've 631 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,240 literally had apprentices in schools that I've worked in who 632 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,360 do lessons who are amazing with the kids. 633 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,280 They are fantastic. And it's the same thing when 634 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,040 TA's are amazing with the kids. It's the same thing when HLTAS 635 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,120 are amazing teachers. This is this can all exist, but 636 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,840 it's in the backdrop of you're not getting paid properly to do 637 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,760 it and you don't have the qualifications that we can't get 638 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,400 past that. And if we're just happy with 639 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,760 that being the case, I don't think we should be. 640 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,240 But like, it doesn't mean that I'm saying it awful people. 641 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,520 Of course, I'm not saying that some of the some of the best 642 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,320 people with the kids have been like apprentices and people on 643 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,760 and TH teaching assistants and HLTAS who don't get the pay 644 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,680 packet they deserve. But let's not pretend that it's 645 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:23,960 equivalent. Yeah, it's not. 646 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,080 Yeah. Yeah, No, I agree. 647 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,200 Couldn't agree more. So. 648 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,840 Two, we had REMP with handover. Yeah, I was going to say you 649 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,800 kind of didn't really. So going back to this question, 650 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,640 I want you to have an answer just very specifically in this 651 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,960 context, right? You know it's your HLTS and you 652 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,960 know it's your HLTA and they're doing the PPA. 653 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:39,360 Let's even say in this lovely situation, it's plan form. 654 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:41,360 They don't have to mark, it's all good, but they do. 655 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:42,640 But you do have to pick a lesson. 656 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,160 For them, I was going to say art and ICT because they typically 657 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,160 don't need marking, but you're saying they don't need marking. 658 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,720 Whatever I pick, Yeah, in this made-up. 659 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,280 Then I talk to my HLTA, see their interest and let them 660 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,000 pick. Really. 661 00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:54,080 Yeah, if, if, if. If there's no marking involved 662 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,240 anyway. I love teaching maths. 663 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,240 No, it's literally hey, the question literally said. 664 00:25:58,600 --> 00:25:59,920 No jet over. You asked them though. 665 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,040 Out of these, OK, now out of these options that is very 666 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,400 clearly defined to this question we've been asked. 667 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,400 I really do like maths. OK, it's good, but it's it's 668 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,720 irrelevant. It's like telling me you like 669 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:08,680 cheese. It's irrelevant to. 670 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,040 This. I don't like cheese and I really 671 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:11,280 do like teaching maths. Tough. 672 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,760 So out of these afternoon lessons, your geography history, 673 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,560 which one piques your interest? All the plans there? 674 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,200 What do you feel like you're more encouraged about? 675 00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:19,360 Pick 2. Do any of them? 676 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,400 Not asking you. Yeah, but I'm the TA in this 677 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,560 role. Did any of those subjects have 678 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,400 maths involved? Next question. 679 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,200 Your recent post about independent writing in Year 6 680 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,080 seemed to split people. Can you clarify what you meant 681 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,160 about teachers and schools pretending writing is 682 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,960 independent? When you see it written down? 683 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,960 It's quite, Yeah, it's quite provocative. 684 00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:37,960 Pretending writing is independent when it isn't. 685 00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:40,040 Surely kids need support when they're writing. 686 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,240 That's our job. Right, right. 687 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,760 Everyone just buckle up. We're just going to have a 688 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,360 little disclaimer. I'm going to just cut a little 689 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:46,800 shot there to Dylan. You can see how he's getting 690 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,960 ready, winding up. Dylan, I'm going to hand this 691 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,200 over to you. I'm going to go quiet for a 692 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,640 minute. Can you please clarify the thing 693 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,200 that you said very clearly last time? 694 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,880 Yeah, I can't believe how many people can't listen to a word I 695 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,760 say, so I'm going to say it again. 696 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,120 It wanted the end sentence. Surely kids need support when 697 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:07,240 they're writing. That's our job. 698 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,160 In this video that's being referenced, I said twice that we 699 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,720 should constantly be giving feedback to children on their 700 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,960 writing, constantly be modelling writing, constantly be giving 701 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,840 sentence stems, constantly be giving ideas, constantly be 702 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,720 modelling editing, constantly be doing it together and doing the 703 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,080 job of teaching. We should be doing that every 704 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,000 single day. That should happen. 705 00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:31,600 What I said was, and people can't get their head around 706 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,680 this, that independent writing is what we should be judging the 707 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,640 children on, on what level they are with their writing. 708 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,880 And independent writing is not what the children are doing 709 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,960 every single day in the lesson. Independent writing should 710 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,840 happen, in my opinion, twice a time, maybe once, maybe three 711 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:55,000 times that we that we, that we assess actual independent 712 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,840 writing can happen all the time because independent writing 713 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,880 happens and then you're given feedback by the teacher and then 714 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,920 you look at that feedback and then you improve your writing. 715 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,080 And that's part of the process, right? 716 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,800 So physically, children independently writing can happen 717 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,840 loads and the teacher can give feedback and help them and they 718 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,960 improve it and they learn and they get better that that. 719 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,960 It's 1 box. That, that is should happen 720 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,000 lots. That's the art of teaching. 721 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,800 Yeah. When we assess independent 722 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,040 writing, it has to be independent writing. 723 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,560 It has to be that. We say, okay, do you know what? 724 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,080 Twice a time the kids are just going to sit down, there's a 725 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,520 prompt, we're going to do a diary entry. 726 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,680 We've been practising it for two weeks and all the little 727 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,840 intricacies and the details and you've had the feedback and the 728 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,320 prompts and the scaffold and everything, but I'm going to 729 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,760 assess what you can do independently now so you get 730 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,160 absolutely no support. You're going to produce a piece 731 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,600 of independent writing for half an hour and then we're not going 732 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,800 to touch it afterwards, apart from maybe you can independently 733 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,000 edit it and get some time to do that. 734 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,600 I'm not going to market and then give it back to you to change. 735 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,000 You're not going to write this up in a nice, neat, fancy book 736 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,200 after my input because I'm going to assess this piece of writing. 737 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,400 When you are assessing independent writing, there 738 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,640 should be absolutely no input from an adult or a scaffold or a 739 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,040 piece of writing on the board or anything at all, because we are 740 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,680 assessing independent in writing, much like when we 741 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,080 assess independent mass ability when we do a short test. 742 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,920 OK, if I was to say when we do independent test in maths, we 743 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,800 shouldn't be giving children feedback and telling them what 744 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,680 to do and then letting them fix it and then assessing them 745 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,680 after. No one would bat an eyelid. 746 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,600 Because that's pretty obvious, isn't it, That if we're 747 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,560 assessing what people can do independently, we don't help 748 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,520 them? Does that mean that I'm saying 749 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,800 we should never give children feedback on their maths or help 750 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,200 them out in any context ever? No one thinks that as well. 751 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,080 So why when it comes to writing, do we suddenly think, oh, kids 752 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,520 need the feedback, don't they? Yes, they do every single day. 753 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,720 They should be getting it. And the and the beauty of 754 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,600 independent writing in this, even in this exact scenario, is 755 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,000 they will still get feedback because the independent part it 756 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,840 at the point of assessment. Yes, exactly the point of you 757 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,240 assessing the writing. The thing you're assessing at 758 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,480 that point has to have been completely independent once 759 00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,840 you've assessed it. Crack on. 760 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,360 They can do what they. Want give it back to them and 761 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,400 tell You can give them as much feedback as you want afterwards 762 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,480 as long as it's doesn't change your assessments because they 763 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,040 then go and edit it but. Also, but also no, I'm pushing 764 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,440 back as well because no, you need some work which is not 765 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,200 touched. You need some work when it 766 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,000 doesn't happen because what can you take to moderation 767 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:14,760 otherwise? Sure, OK. 768 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,120 If you're doing what you're when people take to moderation, Oh, 769 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,760 well, they did it independently. So yeah. 770 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,200 But then you did tracing paper over the top of it, told them 771 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,400 what to change. They went away and changed it. 772 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,320 And then we took that to moderation. 773 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:30,040 There needs to be specific work that you leave alone and you can 774 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,080 take to an independent moderator, which you know is 775 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,280 going to happen at the end of the year. 776 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,960 And you say these are the bits of work they did completely 777 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,320 independently with no input from me whatsoever. 778 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,400 And you can see, oh, look on the next page. 779 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,600 They did this independently. Then I gave them feedback, then 780 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,320 they fixed it. So we're not going to assess 781 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,840 this right now because we can't because this isn't completely 782 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,480 independent. This has had my input in let's 783 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,080 just turn back a page to the one that I've left clearly as 784 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,040 independent work. Let's assess that. 785 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,040 We need to assess independent writing because this aids 786 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,880 learned helplessness. Why are we so shocked that 787 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,720 children can't write a coherent? Oh well, they can't do it, so I 788 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,600 give them some help. That's the point. 789 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,080 We need to be able to see they can't do it rather than pretend 790 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,320 they can. Yeah, I agree. 791 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,400 And by the way, what you said doesn't actually counts, right? 792 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,400 What I said. I said we can give kids feedback 793 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,760 afterwards. I didn't say you should then 794 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,600 write all over that work. No, but you can give them 795 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,440 feedback. You can give. 796 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,240 Them feedback, but then obviously going to change it as 797 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,520 well, right? No, no, maybe just literally 798 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,240 say, but you can't. You can literally talk to a kid 799 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,240 and tell them what was great and what about their writing. 800 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,920 And they say, by the way, though, we need to keep this 801 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,440 untouched. Yeah, because there's an 802 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,640 assessment piece. But well done. 803 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,240 You did these things great. And this thing you could work 804 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,800 on. On independent writing, I used 805 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,960 to just do smileys. Yeah, I used to just go through 806 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,080 and say, wow, you've done this, well done. 807 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,800 Why you've done that, Well done. It was just positive feedback. 808 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,960 And then in general, children had a next step. 809 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,800 So for one child, their general might's next step based on where 810 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,200 they are, they're writing. Actually for them, it's just 811 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,680 about writing in sentences. For another child, their general 812 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,480 next step might be adding detail to their writing because they 813 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:47,520 can write in coherent. Sentences. 814 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:48,760 So what you're the same is one point. 815 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,920 Yeah, completely sorry. But it's, it's about like people 816 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,680 say what it was. This is how they justify that 817 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,720 what it was independent. Then I gave them feedback after 818 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,840 and they changed it. It's like that can't now be 819 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,240 assessed. That's all I'm saying. 820 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,040 And there was a mixture of people who are like, you know, 821 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,400 basically saying what I've just talked about there. 822 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,840 It's like, I am not saying we shouldn't be doing writing where 823 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,040 it's modelled and we're teaching them. 824 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,000 You cannot pretend that's what I'm saying because it's not. 825 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,320 I'm talking about how we assess writing and it has to be 826 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,880 assessed. Independently, what we're saying 827 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,520 is when that untouched bit of work goes to moderation, the 828 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,960 people that have actually pretended that it's untouched is 829 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:22,920 the problem. Exactly. 830 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,680 They're not really untouched because they've had loads of 831 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,400 feedback and you've done it on tracing paper and post it notes. 832 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,440 That's the problem and. Knowingly to make it look like 833 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,080 it's independent when it's not. And that's the issue. 834 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,480 Oh, and then someone was like, oh, don't hate the player, hate 835 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,440 the game, bore off, don't moan at teachers. 836 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,200 No, I will actually, because there are some schools who don't 837 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,960 do this. Oh, there's so much pressure 838 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,120 from the top. Yeah, there is. 839 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,120 There's lots of pressure on the top from Sats. 840 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,960 But do you think if I sat next to a child and they were doing 841 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,800 their maths Sats paper and I was like, oh I know, sorry, there's 842 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,880 pressure so I'm just going. To I know they can do. 843 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,240 This I know change going to change it. 844 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,600 No, you can't do that. And we all accept you can't do 845 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:55,880 that. The pressure doesn't matter. 846 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,320 Have some professional integrity for sake. 847 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,480 Have some integrity in what you're doing. 848 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,560 Stop pretending. Oh, we need to get them to this 849 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:03,920 level. They're not there though. 850 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,360 So the more you pretend you're making a rod for your own back 851 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,600 in the future and you're making a rod for every other school in 852 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,120 the area's back who don't do that. 853 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,280 And if we all do it, then we all need to stop and it's not 854 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,560 acceptable. Oh, we all just cheat on the SAT 855 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:16,760 papers, don't we? No, we don't. 856 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:18,720 Maybe there's lots of pressure on the SAT. 857 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,280 Yeah, but we don't cheat. We don't open up and go oh God, 858 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,680 crossed out, kid. Redo that, please. 859 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,520 You've made a mistake there. Actually, how you do this, that 860 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,600 word means less, so you have to subtract. 861 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,760 So let's just do that, shall we? Oh, but I was pressure. 862 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,360 Pressure. They did the maths themselves. 863 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,120 There was pressure though. There was pressure from top. 864 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,520 So I had to tell him no, he didn't have some integrity. 865 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,000 Don't say work is independent when it isn't. 866 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,760 Do writing all of the time. That isn't independent. 867 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,880 And he's helped and gives feedback to it every single day. 868 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,360 But. But have some points of yours 869 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,480 timetable where it is actually independent and can actually be 870 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,720 assessed and is left alone. That's how we assess writing. 871 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,600 And when we pretend we don't, you're part of the issue. 872 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,160 I'm going to say you. I mean you and your school, 873 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,000 yeah, you and maybe you're your 6th leader who's saying you have 874 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,440 to do it or maybe your your head teacher saying you have to do it 875 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,680 or maybe no one's saying you have to do it and you just think 876 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,080 you want to to make yourself look better. 877 00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:10,639 Yeah, you are part of the problem. 878 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,199 Stop doing it. But you're so mean to teachers 879 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,360 on this. I actually don't if you think 880 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,360 that's mean. If you look at that situation 881 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,840 and go the person doing the cheating or the person calling 882 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,440 out the cheating, or who's worse, the person calling out 883 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,719 the cheating, I've got nothing to say to you other than. 884 00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:25,920 You're wrong. Stop doing it. 885 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,280 Stop doing it anyway. And we can have, we're not going 886 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,639 to do it right now because you'll go off another 10 887 00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,120 minutes, but we can have a separate conversation about the 888 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,800 systemic pressures. But you can have both 889 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,080 conversations. You can say professional 890 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,400 integrity is really important, isn't it? 891 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,080 Yeah, cool. We should do these things to 892 00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:40,400 maintain it. Yes, we should. 893 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,600 Or there's loads of pressure making us not want to do that 894 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:43,960 though. Cool, let's talk about that now 895 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,600 separately like they are just separate things, so. 896 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,520 And and all I say is people look at that pressure from the top 897 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,880 and then still decide where their line is, their line will 898 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:53,880 be. Well, obviously I'm not going to 899 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,880 cynics for a child doing a maths AT paper and change their answer 900 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,680 for them, that's ridiculous. But I will do that literal, 901 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,400 actual same thing when it comes to their writing. 902 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,120 Yeah, yeah, because writing's harder. 903 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:05,280 The bar's too high, yeah. I wonder why the bar's too high. 904 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,760 The bar's too high, but everyone seems to be getting roughly the 905 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,280 same level every year, so maybe the bar's not too high. 906 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:12,920 What it is when we cheat? Yeah. 907 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,520 When the bar is the national average, which is determined by 908 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,640 us, like, and that's too high, it's like, well, then it's 909 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,440 wrong. That means by definition, we 910 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:21,920 didn't do it properly. Yeah, because that's the 911 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:22,760 average, Yeah. Yeah. 912 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,760 And, and when we talk about this, the reason we talk about 913 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,120 it is because I can't describe it is so widespread. 914 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:28,960 Yeah, of course it is. It's so. 915 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,720 And that's why people, people also use that as a 916 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:32,920 justification. Well, everyone else is so. 917 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,280 OK, cool. That's the end of the 918 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,240 conversation, I suppose. And oh, it's now fine to 919 00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:38,320 pretend. Well, it's independent. 920 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,720 When it's not, it's, well, it's just a nonsense to me. 921 00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:44,280 Absolute nonsense. Come on, come on, don't do it. 922 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:46,800 Oh, Devon was mean to me because I do it. 923 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,160 Why do you do? If you do it, why do you do it? 924 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,840 Pressure. OK, There's lots of stuff you 925 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,920 don't know how to pressure about, OK. 926 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,760 What to make is to make your data look good. 927 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,360 Is that worth hyper inflating their children's results? 928 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,080 And then they go to secondary school and they think, what the 929 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,160 hell? These these kids can't even do a 930 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,160 paragraph coherently. And it's not because it's not 931 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,800 your teaching problem. They can't do a paragraph 932 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,280 coherently. They find it really hard and 933 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,240 tricky and it's just a combination of lots of things. 934 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:11,720 But just don't take it personally. 935 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:14,760 The best bit is then after all this, no matter what path you've 936 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,920 taken, the righteous one or the the bad one, you go to 937 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,960 moderation and no one has a clue what's all about anyway. 938 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,360 And it's all it's I'm so subjective that it's actually 939 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,480 pointless because the, the the scale of subjectivity is so wild 940 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,080 that it's skewed you. You might get lucky on one 941 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,120 table. They think the children are 942 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,320 working towards are actually expected. 943 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,120 Well done. The bathroom, your bathroom 944 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,760 expect is too high, isn't it as well? 945 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:36,760 Yeah, it is. It is too high, but it's too 946 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,880 high because the bathroom expected is basically you need 947 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,280 to be able to do everything. Yeah, perfect. 948 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,080 So again, this is another thing people say it's like, well, the 949 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,880 bar's too high. Like, I don't want to put this 950 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,840 kid down as expected because they are actually where I expect 951 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,480 them to be, but the expected bar is too high. 952 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,400 So I'm just going to fudge it a bit so they get there. 953 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,400 So it looks like it's right. You got an issue, you got an 954 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,120 issue outside of the what you're talking about. 955 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,040 Your issue is about the bar. So only if repeatedly we 956 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,480 actually show where children actually are independently, then 957 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,280 we can maybe talk about, oh, we'll look, clearly there's some 958 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,480 evidence here that this bar's too high, but we all pretend the 959 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,240 bar's acceptable and is where the average is. 960 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,920 It's a nonsense. There is the average writer is 961 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,880 not expected level because expected level's too high. 962 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,640 What you're saying will never happen. 963 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,400 I know, I know, I know. So it's interesting, like I do 964 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,680 sometimes think that would be, that would be the right outcome, 965 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,120 but it will literally never happen and that just won't 966 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,600 happen. What do we do then? 967 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,800 Do you know, there's some people who say I'd be very interested 968 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,440 just to go back to completely independent writing as like, 969 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:29,960 almost like a test, a time to set. 970 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Will people still cheat? 971 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,240 Probably. I can imagine there hasn't no 972 00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:35,080 prompt in front of them. Here's a scaffold with some 973 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,480 blank sweep. Put some adjectives in and just 974 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,200 make it look really good. But I could probably. 975 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,760 But if we actually just independently get kids to sit 976 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,560 down and see where they can write, it would be so much lower 977 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,360 than we're pretending it's at. And that also can be fine. 978 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,200 It can be fine that an 8 year old can't write fully coherently 979 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,040 over 2 pages. Do you know what? 980 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,880 That's OK. But let's not pretend they're 981 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,800 somewhere they're not. Yeah, that is it. 982 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,560 That conclusion to me is I don't know what the exact answer is, 983 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,760 but I know. But definitely the system has to 984 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,400 change. Yeah, because we've just 985 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,280 established that it will not, that the current situation will 986 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,960 not change, that we won't have some unanimous uprising of 987 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,240 righteousness where everyone that the simultaneously decides 988 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:15,000 we're no longer going to fudge this system, we're all going to 989 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,320 do it properly so that it's fair for everyone. 990 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,040 That won't happen. So we have to change the. 991 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,960 System because people would rather get annoyed at me for 992 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,160 talking about it. Yeah, there would. 993 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,720 People would genuinely in that situation rather go well, not 994 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:25,320 mine. Just stop moaning about it. 995 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,960 Let me do it. The school next to you who 996 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,080 doesn't do that cheating is getting much results than you, 997 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,200 even though the children aren't doing less than them. 998 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,120 So you are causing that problem. Yeah, it's, that's it at the end 999 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,480 of the day. It's a fun one. 1000 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,120 It's a fun one. Well, we'll definitely come back 1001 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,600 to it when someone inevitably doesn't understand it again and 1002 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,040 we have to explain that by we, I mean. 1003 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,720 But shouldn't we give? Shouldn't we be giving kids 1004 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:47,920 feedback about writing? Writing's really hard. 1005 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,160 Should we be helping them do their? 1006 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:51,880 Right. Stop. 1007 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,120 Stop. That is enough. 1008 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,280 That is enough. I need to read my book about 1009 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,320 stoicism. Yes, yes, I think you do. 1010 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:58,800 Here's an expression we'll chew up a little bit. 1011 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,000 So that's a short, silly one. Please, please, please can you 1012 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,640 make undefed merch? I really want a T-shirt. 1013 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:07,920 A lot of people didn't. This was a long time ago. 1014 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,320 You might have to explain the context of the word undefed. 1015 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,120 Undefed, it's spelt, UNDERFED. Hayden was reading a story, 1016 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,960 Letters from the Lighthouse. I think it was, yeah. 1017 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,800 Yeah, reading a story and came across the word undefed and 1018 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,600 didn't know what it meant so thought it was a nice teaching 1019 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:22,840 point for his class. Right. 1020 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,000 Just read around the word. What could undefed mean? 1021 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,760 Well a Long story short kid. But they end up so doesn't that 1022 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,840 say underfed? Yes it does. 1023 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,120 It's underfed and read it wrong. But it was a good experience 1024 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,600 because we established as a class that undearth wasn't 1025 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,560 adjective. That was describing people as 1026 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,440 looking quite skinny and not having enough. 1027 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:40,640 Context you worked out. Context. 1028 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,200 We worked it out and it turns out it just. 1029 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:43,520 Yeah, it's because of. Different words, you see. 1030 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,680 I got sent a few times the Ramesh Ranganathan one recently. 1031 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,840 Oh yeah. So Ramesh is hosting BBC Radio 1032 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:49,520 2. Yeah. 1033 00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:53,200 And he says ashamed, like ashamed from London. 1034 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,280 And then he realises, oh, it says a shame. 1035 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,040 That's. Hilarious. 1036 00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,200 I just worked that out as you said it. 1037 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,320 Ashamed. Ashamed. 1038 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,880 Smashing man, but it was actually a shame, just his 1039 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,120 moment of it, just worrying in his head and he realises what 1040 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,880 he's done. Can I just just take his hand 1041 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,240 because you know, the episodes got we derailed all the time 1042 00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:14,400 just to say how unbelievably funny Roma Shranganathan is in I 1043 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,520 mean in general, but also I'm watching the last one laughing 1044 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,200 on Amazon right now. I. 1045 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,280 When this is released, by the way, I'll be completely. 1046 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:21,920 Finished. Yes, it will come a couple of 1047 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,280 days. With five episodes in, I think. 1048 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,040 5 episodes in and he played his his joker recently and I won't 1049 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,120 give any spoilers but it is I was in tears like it was one of 1050 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,480 the funniest things I've ever seen. 1051 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:35,360 You know, it's, it's funny because it's, it's like really, 1052 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,440 it's kind of comedy that's pushing this out there. 1053 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,560 Like it's, it's not like it's not necessarily kind, but 1054 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,240 because it's about himself. Exactly. 1055 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,760 It's, it's funny because he makes other people say stuff 1056 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,280 basically. And part of the joke is like, 1057 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:47,240 they would never say this thing. It's. 1058 00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:48,600 It's awkward to you, but. It's about his, you know, he's 1059 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,520 got a lazy eye, isn't he? So we can say it's about that. 1060 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:55,360 And, and the, the by by far, by far the funniest part was when 1061 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,120 he's talked about who became Prime Minister in 2007, right. 1062 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,360 Yeah. And it was Gordon Brown. 1063 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,280 Yeah, yeah. And he said, can anyone guess 1064 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:03,880 what? Can anyone guess what my 1065 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,520 nickname was? I'm not going to say it didn't 1066 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,960 come from him. No, but he he mentions it and it 1067 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,440 it, it just I, I couldn't have got through. 1068 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,600 That the amount of yeah, just quick quips and things he had 1069 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,080 like that, that just every single one got me. 1070 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,960 But yeah, very, very funny, man. And Bob Mortimer, It's just Bob 1071 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:18,560 Mortimer. Yeah. 1072 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,000 Just the whole thing's brilliant, the whole thing's so. 1073 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,840 I will say Season 2. I'd say it's even funnier the 1074 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,080 season 1. I thought season 1 was pretty 1075 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:25,840 funny. Season 2. 1076 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,320 Is blowing me away how funny it is. 1077 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,160 They all came out. I saw something about because 1078 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,320 Alan Carr was in it, he's in Lost or Nothing and he came out 1079 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,760 and he was saying, my God, I'm so glad it's good because they 1080 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,720 all finished it. Obviously they're not allowed to 1081 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:38,200 laugh. So if you just think about what 1082 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,440 they've done, they've spent six hours in A room not remotely 1083 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,200 laughing at anyone's jokes. And they're comedians who like 1084 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:45,640 their trade is getting laughed out of people. 1085 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,640 So they said they were saying they finished it and they all 1086 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,960 thought like, that's the worst thing I've ever done in my life. 1087 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,280 Like obviously nothing was funny. 1088 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,560 No one laughed. It's just been dreadful. 1089 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,800 I've been trying to make people laugh for six hours and no one 1090 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,600 laughed. And only five times did someone 1091 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,080 actually laugh because like when they're getting cards and stuff 1092 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,520 now, it's like a little smirk name for like a proper laugh. 1093 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,520 Like they barely anyone laughs. That's the whole point of the 1094 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:04,920 thing. But they finished it and he was 1095 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,760 really worried that it would. It was just dreadful. 1096 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,480 And he's like, he seems to come out. 1097 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:09,960 Everyone thinks it's better than the one before. 1098 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,920 And he's, like, having even watched it, he understands now 1099 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,640 why it's funny. It makes sense in the moment. 1100 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,800 They they all thought like, this is the worst. 1101 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:16,800 Yeah. Because from their perspective, 1102 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,600 it's just a quiet room of no one laughing from us. 1103 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,480 And we're cutting into like, Jimmy Carr laughing and we're 1104 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,720 laughing ourselves, like, so there's laughter involved from 1105 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:24,160 our perspective, but from them it's not. 1106 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,360 And actually, if you actually, if you look at what we see, we 1107 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,880 see like, let's say 10 minutes of Romesh in an episode, 5 1108 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,880 episodes, it's like 4550 minutes of Romesh. 1109 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,760 He's in there for six hours. Yeah. 1110 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,680 So there's a whole other thing where he's just talking to 1111 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,200 people. And yeah. 1112 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,720 And if you actually deep what's happening, it's David Mitchell 1113 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:41,920 with a hat going crash, bang. What what happened, Jack? 1114 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,640 And no one's laughing. He just does a whole performance 1115 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,560 and no one laughs. He leaves and. 1116 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,520 Probably thinks, oh that wasn't very funny then. 1117 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,920 Where is actually. That's the whole premise. 1118 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,960 Oh, man, really funny, right? She didn't have a question. 1119 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,560 Go on. We didn't really answer that 1120 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:55,560 question. When's the merch coming? 1121 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,520 Some point maybe? Let's talk about last one. 1122 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,080 Laughing for her 10 minutes. Exactly. 1123 00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:02,600 Right, here we go. You've got 24 hours child free 1124 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,080 and no jobs to do Dreamy. This is ultimate free child free 1125 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,640 time for you to do whatever you like with When is your When is 1126 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,880 your 24 hours starting or start? At 10 AM? 1127 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,000 2:00 PM When? When is it after bedtime and 1128 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,920 what are you choosing to do? I am 24 hour window. 1129 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,920 I am gonna I don't think I don't think when the 24 hour starts is 1130 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,360 relevant. No, just a day in it. 1131 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,520 It's like yes, you get you get a 4:00 PM Yeah, at some point 1132 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,800 true, I guess, I guess. Oh yeah, I suppose. 1133 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,120 No, it does make a difference. No, I don't think it does. 1134 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,200 It does, because if it starts at like 3:00 PM, it does mean that 1135 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,000 you spent the day doing normal parenting things which might 1136 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,800 exhaust you. If you start at 9:00 AM, it's 1137 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,000 fresh as soon as you get up. Yeah, I was thinking just a 1138 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,000 normal day then. So like 8:00 AM. 1139 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,760 Yeah. So no, no, no, it would be. 1140 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,280 It wouldn't be. That's a really good point. 1141 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:52,720 It would have to be like 6:00 AM. 1142 00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:55,040 Yeah, that's when Rory gets up. But I said 8:00 AM I'd be 1143 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,960 getting out of your room. No, it goes 8. 1144 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,000 So actually midnight. Midnight. 1145 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,160 Yeah, it starts at midnight. That's. 1146 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,480 Midnight, all right. So when I can wake up, whenever 1147 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:03,880 that's good, that's my first thing. 1148 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,320 I'd go out for breakfast somewhere. 1149 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,200 I don't know where, but I'd just go out because because you can 1150 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,120 go out for breakfast somewhere. I'd go and play golf in the 1151 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,280 morning thing, but golf in the morning. 1152 00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:16,320 Then I'd go for lunch. So I'd go out for breakfast 1153 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,120 somewhere, golf, go out for lunch, pub in the after noon 1154 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,320 because it's a nice sunny day. Just go somewhere with pub 1155 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:22,200 garden. It's very nice. 1156 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,000 It's not raining. It's my perfect day. 1157 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:25,480 I can control the weather as well. 1158 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:27,920 I go to the pub for the afternoon. 1159 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,880 There's a football match on the team. 1160 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,600 I support the team win. It's fantastic. 1161 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,240 Yeah. Go out for dinner. 1162 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:34,760 Yeah, definitely go out for dinner. 1163 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,200 And then in the evening, probably just a nice chill one 1164 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,120 indoors, playing some, playing some board games with some 1165 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,160 people. Not you. 1166 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,880 No, not some people I like I've. Not got the day off? 1167 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,640 So you're looking after Rory? Yeah, yeah, and, and just 1168 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,440 chilling out in the evening and having a couple of drinks and 1169 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,480 going to bed whenever I want. What about you? 1170 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,000 Nice, I spent it with my wife and family. 1171 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,440 Is it better or worse to have a child in your class that has a 1172 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,520 teacher as a parent? It's either a person on your 1173 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,080 side or somebody who you can't wrangle with your clever teacher 1174 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,880 talk and hold you to account. So would you when? 1175 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:17,480 When a child when their parent is a teacher, is it good or bad? 1176 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,360 I'd say on the worst side, generally, I think yeah, I think 1177 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:22,360 so. I think it's more annoying when 1178 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:23,600 there are people well. I'm going through it because I 1179 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:24,880 have a completely different. Experience. 1180 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,600 Yeah, I guess I am just based off a couple of it's not much 1181 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,080 experience really, but I just find they're a little bit more 1182 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,240 annoying. That's sort of like taking up 1183 00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:32,920 your time. It's hilarious. 1184 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,200 Like hypocritical, like teachers, like teachers don't 1185 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,920 want to the worst people have taken up other teachers. 1186 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,720 Time. Yeah, no, yeah, yeah. 1187 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,720 All the extra meetings and this and that and question. 1188 00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:42,120 I'm just like, oh mate, just let me do my job. 1189 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:43,440 Oh, really? Do my job. 1190 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,200 I've only I've only had positive experience. 1191 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:48,280 Yeah, like I've had I've taught a child who you've. 1192 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,480 Also taught I have had positive experiences as well by the way. 1193 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,400 I can think of enough negative ones where I'm like, oh, it's 1194 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,960 kind of annoying. Their their mum was a head 1195 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,160 teacher and she couldn't I like to I didn't know she was a head 1196 00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,160 teacher until months after still teaching them because it just 1197 00:45:59,160 --> 00:45:59,600 wasn't a thing. I. 1198 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:00,560 Know exactly what you're thinking. 1199 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,400 Like a lovely mom. Unbelievably lovely family. 1200 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,040 Yeah, yeah, like the thing and in general, whenever they have 1201 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,320 been a teacher, it's been. You do get that though, where 1202 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,440 people are all mums, a teacher by the way, that's how it's 1203 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,040 framed, isn't it? Often like all mums a teacher or 1204 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,920 old dads ahead or. And I think, yeah, you are 1205 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,040 right, sometimes they do hold you more accountable because 1206 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,560 from their point of view or that they they work in a school and 1207 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:22,480 they know what should be happening. 1208 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,960 If they get the whiff of that not happening for their own 1209 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,000 child, of course, obviously they'll be the first person to 1210 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,880 say shouldn't this happen. Whereas if they weren't a 1211 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:29,880 teacher, maybe they wouldn't even know. 1212 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they know the jargon that. 1213 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,600 But in general, yeah, in general, it's been a positive. 1214 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,520 I'd say overall are neutral to edging towards nice. 1215 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,080 But it's not like I don't think it's automatically better. 1216 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,320 No, I don't think it's automatically. 1217 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,320 Better. That's probably why I should 1218 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:45,240 have started with that. Really. 1219 00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:47,440 I don't think that either. I just think my my personal 1220 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,440 experience is a couple of annoying ones where I'm like oh 1221 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,520 do you know what could have just been easier if they do? 1222 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,120 You think it's annoying when for a parent their kid they get 1223 00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,200 placed in a class? Do you think it's annoying when 1224 00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:59,760 their their teacher is a teacher? 1225 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:05,880 What that makes, that makes no sense, right? 1226 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:08,200 OK, cool. Because I I've spent a long time 1227 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,760 processing whether that made any sense. 1228 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,320 I'm glad the conclusion was no, it doesn't. 1229 00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:16,440 Because because my teacher a teacher or not? 1230 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,640 My gut reaction was what? What would be the other 1231 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,240 situation of course that teaches the teacher like I was like, 1232 00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:24,280 what am I missing? You. 1233 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,400 You. You really, really asked you. 1234 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,240 I did. Is it better they're a teacher 1235 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:33,080 or not when they're a teacher? No, actually fun enough. 1236 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,440 They're always taught by the HLDA, not going off by teacher, 1237 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:37,360 so yeah. Oh God. 1238 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,320 There you go there. You go. 1239 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:44,840 Anyway, another fun episode. Why don't you stick around for 1240 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,200 Wednesday when we'll be back with another one? 1241 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:48,800 What's Wednesday's about? Do we know you? 1242 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,960 Nope. See you then.