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Hello everyone, welcome back to 
another episode of Teach Steep 

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Repeat. 
My name is Dylan. 

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And my name's Hayden. 
And before we start, Dylan, 

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you'll see your mouth going. 
You always pick on me at the 

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start of the episode, so I 
thought I'd pick on you. 

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You're wearing a Gym Shark 
hoodie right now, and you 

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haven't been to the gym in about
10 years. 

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Is there a reason for that? 
I'm also not a shark. 

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Well, you know, that was a bit 
more obvious. 

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I don't actually, but you have 
not you have not been to the gym

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in a long time. 
Just came back to me and I am a 

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shark. 
Like in clothing I can realise 

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not not even a shark who can 
talk. 

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Just a shark. 
Not me in shark form. 

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A literal shark. 
Only at this point and I realise

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a shark let me in the house, a 
shark got me a drink, a shark 

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took me upstairs, turned the 
lights on. 

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Not only that, I'm just doing 
dumbbells the whole time as 

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well. 
So what do you mean? 

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Yeah? 
I'm a gym shark. 

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Do you know what? 
Do you know what? 

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Bloody you take it all back? 
Bloody you take it all back. 

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Also, sorry, very brave coming 
from a man with some kind of 

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foreign language written on 
their top that could say 

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anything. 
Yeah. 

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Well, do you know what it says? 
No. 

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Well, I'll tell you then. 
In that case, it says this 

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podcast is great and you 
wouldn't even know. 

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You know, there's things of 
people who get tattoos and it 

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turns out it says like 
completely, yeah, that's you 

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right now. 
So funny. 

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That says something on the lines
of teachers suck. 

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Look what he's saying to you 
guys. 

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It might do or it might. 
It might just say T-shirt, it 

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might just say extra large. 
I don't know. 

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Have you seen the flip version 
where there's pictures of people

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in like Asian countries and it 
just says like smile? 

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Yeah, or again tattoos. 
They get something tattooed in 

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English on their on their arm 
and just doesn't make sense. 

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Loading like in their language 
it means really profound about 

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building up in English is just 
loading. 

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Yeah, yeah, does not have the 
same profound nature. 

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We took a bit of a detour there,
but anyway, today's episode is 

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all about artificial 
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Now something we talked about 
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to talk about it today is 
because we've just got back from

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BET 2026 and I would say the 
biggest thing on my mind when I 

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finished was sure excitement. 
There's lots of real good use 

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cases for artificial 
intelligence now can help 

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education, but also I, I can't 
shake off and I've never been 

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able to do this in education. 
The reality of actually 

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implementing it and how 
realistic it will be and what 

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will actually happen then in the
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So do you want to lay a bit of 
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our thoughts and what we even 
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Who did we hear? 
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So like just to sort of jump on 
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at bet was, is there anything 
but AI? 

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Because there was so much stuff 
and even last year we went and 

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we thought, oh, has a lot of AI 
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Because it was kind of, you 
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felt like genuinely everything 
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Like all of the because we 
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the arena, which is really cool.
And yeah, I looked at loads of 

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stand and it was just this 
everything has AI at the end of 

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the name AI in the name 
somewhere to be like, hey, look 

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us, we're using AI come and 
check us out. 

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So that I think that's important
context in terms of clearly it's

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on everyone's minds. 
So one of the one of the biggest

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things that happened was Bridget
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talk and we were in the arena at
the time and. 

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Education Secretary for anyone 
listening who might not be in 

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the UK, thank. 
You for the clarification and 

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she. 
Hated talking by the way. 

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He's a host of TC Repeat 
everyone listening outside of 

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the normal listeners. 
What we might do is every 

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sentence, if you could. 
Just sentence is just a group of

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words put together to make a 
phrase that makes sense on its 

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own if you. 
Could just summarise what I'm 

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saying each time, that'd be 
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Saying is when you're talking. 
You've done it in in a certain 

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tense. 
This is horrendous. 

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I'd be impressed if you can go 
on, right. 

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So yeah, Bridget Phillips came 
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talk and a lot of it really was 
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thinks. 
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think that AI can be a huge 
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problems in education. 
It's it's quite a wide open 

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point. 
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down and start anywhere in this.
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Do you know what I'll say 
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my time as a teacher, I think 
it's the most I've I've seen 

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passion come through. 
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And genuine desire for 
implementing technology in a way

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that's going to help teachers 
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in general and specifically 
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that comes through in everything
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So like I, I was very, I, I feel
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You know, I've seen the merry go
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over the whole time that I've 
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And I do think that her message 
is on point and I do think she's

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saying the right thing. 
So that's, that's a really good,

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solid start. 
Genuinely. 

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I, I just feel like sometimes 
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they're doing and implementing, 
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different things. 
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party political broadcast 
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understand. 
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that. 
It's a good place to announce 

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these things. 
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they're putting money in the 
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It's not enough money. 
I don't personally think, no. 

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And the big push about how 
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education and help teachers, She
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not about replacing teachers. 
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because I'm not sure in general 
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very, very clear about how it's 
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right and and kids to learn 
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My worry with it is that the 
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technology I've got an iPad here
in classrooms does not remotely 

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match what the vision is for 
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teachers alike. 
For sure that that to me is the 

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thing that screamed out that I 
I'll just want to get on the 

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roof to I want to get I want to 
start a podcast, you know, where

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I've got people listening and 
say only if only we had a 

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platform to sort the people and 
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Do you think then, because I've 
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since at the first, I was very 
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thought, which is schools don't 
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tech, to get the iPads, to get 
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whatever it is, to be able to 
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this tech, whether it's AI or 
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And I've that's where I started 
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thoughts now. 
But is that what you think? 

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Do you feel like the problem is 
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Schools aren't being given 
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That's it. 
There's multiple things going 

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on. 
Lots of schools have enough 

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tech, so where do they get the 
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Yeah, right. 
They got the money daily, right?

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I think lots of schools are 
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money elsewhere. 
I think that's also because of 

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necessity half the time, right? 
We've got a bunch of money. 

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What we're going to spend on, 
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to actually cover our teachers 
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Or maybe I'm going to spend it 
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PE is very important and 
physical health is super 

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important. 
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actually we're really behind on 
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So I'm going to boost some money
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All these decisions are fine and
makes sense, but unless you have

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a real clear tech part that is 
for tech, money's going to 

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haemorrhage out of that. 
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simply saying the government 
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I think it's a whole system of 
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money and funding going into 
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to date and it's ring fenced and
it's extra and it's, and it's 

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important to have because it 
feels like, again, it's just 

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another thing that the 
government can say is really 

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important and will really 
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Can you please just make sure 
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It's a, oh, wait, I've got 30 
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kids per year group, and four of
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At one point. 
It's like, OK, cool. 

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Let's look at all of the really 
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that can help their learning. 
We need more of a ratio than 

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that for it to actually be 
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Yeah. 
So we have to, we have to make 

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sure that schools are getting 
the technology they need because

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I can imagine a school in a 
rural area looking at what the 

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government are saying and 
nothing will cut through because

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the first thing that score in 
the rural area needs is the 

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funding to have the technology 
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That has to come first. 
Yeah, I fully agree. 

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There's a bit of a catch 22 as 
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when schools don't have enough 
tech, sorry, don't have enough 

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devices to use the tech. 
Sometimes that can actually make

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the tech they're trying to use 
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And then, you know, it's like, 
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equipment, the tech is actually 
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It's annoying because like you 
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working on one class they've got
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they're just it's annoying to 
use and that just isn't good 

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because this is great tech 
solutions that people are then 

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going, Oh, this is rubbish. 
Doesn't work. 

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It's not that it doesn't work, 
it's just that you don't have 

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the right equipment to use it. 
So that's one point. 

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And then secondly, yeah, I kind 
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said about the tech pot of 
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It has to, it has, it's the only
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Because I look at when you look 
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well, they've managed to do the 
tech, they've managed to get all

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of the equipment in their 
school. 

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So therefore clearly all schools
can do it. 

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I hate that generalisation 
because I'm like, we don't know.

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You don't know what that school 
prioritised. 

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Yeah, they might have cut back 
on other things that when you 

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find out about what they cut 
back on, you think, oh, you 

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can't cut that. 
That's a significant thing. 

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You're just looking at the fact 
that they have the equipment. 

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So it has to be regardless of 
what schools already have or 

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don't have right now. 
I feel like there has to be a 

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top down approach of we are 
going to equip all of our 

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schools with enough equipment so
that all of this stuff we're 

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saying about tech can actually 
be implemented properly because 

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one without the other doesn't 
really make any sense. 

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And that's when it comes back 
around to, and we've mentioned 

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this before in the past, lip 
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When people, governments, 
whatever policy makers say stuff

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and it sounds great. 
There's a glaringly obvious 

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problem that could be solved 
that isn't solved. 

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That's when I go, oh, OK, this, 
this is meaningless. 

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And this is just lip service. 
You're, you're not actually, 

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you're not actually trying to 
solve this problem because, you 

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know, you know, these schools 
have no equipment and you're 

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saying tech is the solution and 
then going blind eye walk away. 

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Yeah, that's just not good to 
me. 

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We can solve teacher burnout 
because it's going to do lots of

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marking for you. 
Isn't that fantastic? 

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Oh, really? 
Wait, can we have the thing to 

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do on? 
No, no, no. 

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OK, so it's not. 
Get it from your existing 

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budgets. 
We don't have our existing 

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budgets already completely 
stretched. 

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And if we if we would have to 
fire ATA to do this and we don't

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really want to do that, it's 
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other school did it. 
Yeah, OK, that's up to them. 

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Like right. 
Can we all just have the same 

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part for this thing? 
Can you just say here how much 

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you need? 
Here you go. 

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Here's an iPad for every kid. 
That is such a good point you 

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particular, it's easy to make 
comparisons between schools. 

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But schools are so much more 
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Like you said that school with 
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well not have any support stuff.
They they may have made that 

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decision. 
Right. 

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I think people can sometimes 
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one tech, more tech in the 
classroom. 

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That means at this expense 
that's bad, you're terrible. 

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No, it's not what I'm saying. 
I'm just saying that as a 

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baseline, we need to have that. 
There's there's something else 

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that really jumped out at me 
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political problem. 
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it's easy for us to sit here and
say, well, why don't you just do

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that? 
Isn't that easy. 

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If you don't go on politicians, 
why don't you just give everyone

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an iPad, etcetera. 
They must be constantly walking 

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a rope of appeasing people. 
At the end of the day, they're 

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there to serve the people. 
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portion of society and it's 
growing who look at tech and say

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tech in schools and screens in 
schools equals bad. 

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So in the one breath you've got 
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important tech is for the 
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I agree, by the way, because 
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world, which is so tech heavy. 
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they're learning how to actually
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also just like get the most out 
of them, right? 

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But then at the same time, we're
explaining how it's so important

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to do that. 
Tech's really important. 

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It's going to save teachers time
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Kids need to use it and and use 
it well. 

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At the same time, you've got 
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classroom, technology, what my 
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classroom, I'll be taking them 
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Then that's awful for them and 
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releasing a device on screen 
time, etcetera. 

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In the early years, they're 
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Bridget was saying, they're 
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advice for infants, give advice 
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secondary, so that that's going 
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So it'd be really, really 
interesting to see how this 

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tightrope is kind of walked 
because my genuine opinion is we

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need way more tech in schools. 
But I do think there'll be a big

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push back from a, from a big, 
big section of societies. 

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Like how do you think about 
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I do wonder if that guidance 
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know, the, the screen time 
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sort of early years and then 
they're going to, she said. 

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They're going to work their way 
out. 

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It could be a really big force 
for good, you know, yeah, I 

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think it could be the 
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saying to parents and people who
are more carers, whoever who are

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sort of anti screen time 
completely and can't see the 

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nuance between YouTube algorithm
brain rot and actual educational

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software that's really helpful 
like Mapsu. 

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Like Mapsu, you know can't see 
the difference just. 

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Randomly pick one out there. 
Yeah, he just thought of one on 

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top of. 
Your head. 

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Yeah, massive. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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Demo down below. 
But the way you're clever, 

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you're not into this. 
So but what, what that guidance 

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might end up doing is actually 
saying, Oh yeah, a little nod to

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it, yet all too much screen time
is bad. 

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But and then really from a top 
down policy makers perspective, 

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just say, but you do just need 
to stop putting it all in the 

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same category though, because 
this is actually good. 

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Government is saying this is OK,
this is fine. 

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Can we please stop panicking 
about it? 

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And yeah, this stuff that we all
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enough, bad for kids. 
Strangely enough, yes, it's 

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unsupervised, isn't it? 
At the hands of the tech giants,

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yeah. 
Your attention because I think 

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people worried that this 
guidance is going to come out 

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and just be like pandering to 
parents and carers who think 

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this and say Oh yeah, screen 
times terrible. 

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We're going to start banning 
screens in schools now. 

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I think people worrying, it's 
going to be that, like, I'd be 

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very surprised. 
It's not, it's not if that's 

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what it was. 
And also this is the thing, 

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there's no nuances. 
This is what I mean about. 

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It's a tightrope because I get 
what you're saying, right? 

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It could be, it could be a 
blessing in disguise where it 

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brings everyone together like 
it's lovely and roses. 

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What will what will actually 
happen is both sides will think 

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it doesn't go far enough for 
their side and both sides will 

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hate it. 
It's like the guidance that was 

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released about earlier screen 
time, right? 

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You had some people who said it,
it should completely say no 

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screen time ever for children. 
That's ridiculous, isn't awful. 

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And it said actually it compared
between 5 hours a day and 45 

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minutes a day, even 45 minutes a
day is awful and they weren't 

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happy right. 
Then the other side, you had 

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children of parents of special 
educational needs, children who 

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say that the screen time is is a
real device they can use to help

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their children actually get 
through the day. 

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And they were annoyed because 
they were saying you're not 

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thinking about SEND children in 
this. 

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And I just look at them, 
everyone in this situation, I 

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just go it's a guidance 
document. 

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Do you know what guidance is? 
Guidance isn't every single 

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person in the world to follow 
this all of the time. 

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This is just some advice. 
What do you want the government 

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to do in this situation? 
Because if they wholly side with

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you, they're going to alienate 
99% of people. 

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This isn't for an individual, 
this is guidance. 

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It's best practise for most 
children. 

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It's not hitting everything at 
once. 

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And I just worry that as we 
extend this up, anyone who isn't

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on the exact one percentile of 
what the guidance says will 

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think it's too far the other 
way. 

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I'm not quite right and it will 
end up making more people angry 

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than actually making them feel 
better about it. 

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And I just think that's what I 
mean when I say it's a 

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tightrope. 
And I think what the government 

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has to do and what I would love 
to see more of from politicians 

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in general is have an ideology 
that's backed up in evidence and

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research and mean something and 
go with it. 

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And then spend their time trying
to argue and convince people why

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that's the right thing to do 
rather than trying to pander to 

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everyone and make everyone feel 
happy. 

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You will never succeed at that. 
So why don't you just go for 

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something you actually believe 
in and try and convince people 

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of it? 
You got voted in for a reason. 

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Just go forward and do it and 
explain why it's a force for 

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good. 
And you know what? 

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If it doesn't work in the long 
run, you'll be out of office 

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next time. 
Yeah, definitely, definitely. 

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I like your point about 
guidance. 

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Can't please everyone. 
It's true because it has to be 

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for the average person, like, 
like there's always. 

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Even that sounds bad. 
You mean although people listen 

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to you, right? 
Very quickly because you didn't 

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mean it in a bad way. 
But even you saying the average 

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person made me think of, oh, am 
I not an average person? 

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Oh, my God. 
Yeah. 

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No, I mean that, you know, 
automatically. 

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Yeah, No, I know what you mean. 
But there'll be people listening

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about as my child, not an 
average child, just because. 

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They've got this. 
Yeah, it's not. 

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What, you mean it's just, yeah, 
I don't know how to explain it a

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different way. 
The graph I'm thinking of in my 

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head in terms of like, everyone 
is in this graph somewhere and 

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there's always outliers in every
graph ever. 

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Yeah. 
Ever. 

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Yeah. 
Like when you've got X&Y this 

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way, there is going to be 
someone, yeah, who's right up 

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here. 
And there's gonna be someone 

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who's right down here. 
And they are outliers to where 

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the general bulk of people are. 
And guidance generally comes in 

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to say, OK, we've got the big 
bulk of people here. 

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Yeah, this is generally 
guidance, but we're aware that 

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this might not be suitable for 
every single individual. 

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And the fact that people don't 
understand that I'm like, I 

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don't, yeah, you can't win. 
There is no win because you 

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can't please every single 
person. 

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So let's talk that that was 
Bridget Phillipson. 

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So she did, Yeah. 
Really interesting chat, very AI

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focused. 
Very tech focused, very 

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interesting in your opinion on 
the whole. 

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Then you finish that chat, you 
know the government starts and 

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stuff. 
How would you rate it? 

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What do you feel about is it? 
Is it a solid position? 

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Do you agree with it in general?
What? 

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What's your feeling? 
Overall, quite positive. 

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To be honest with you. 
I, I didn't really feel 

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negative. 
I, I, I felt like all the things

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she was saying, it was a fairly 
strong position of I think she 

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could have pandered more to Oh 
yeah, no, tech is bad in schools

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because of screen time. 
She didn't do that at all. 

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I felt like she was very much 
saying, no, actually tech is 

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really good and we're actually 
we're going to push more. 

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I think you know, there was and 
you find the right thing 

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allocated. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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I think it is the right thing 
because like you said, we live 

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in a tech heavy world. 
It's only going to get more 

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techie. 
I don't know what world people 

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are living in where they think 
that we're suddenly going to 

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regress back in terms of tech 
and how much is in our lives. 

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It's not happening. 
It's just not happening. 

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And we can use it to for so much
good, so much good, not just in 

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education across, you know, the 
world. 

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You see, you see loads of good 
uses of AI and tech in, in the 

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world of medicine and, you know,
and in education, obviously it 

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can be used for good as well. 
Like, I don't know, I don't know

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how it's so black and white to 
me. 

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So of course it was a good move.
There's so much in my life as an

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adult that tech has made better 
that I would hate it to have a 

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lobby group in that certain area
go no, no, it's too much. 

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Yeah, yeah, Yeah. 
Well. 

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Oh, actually, that's made me 
have my screening more accurate 

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now for my health, actually. 
Exactly. 

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So that sounds quite good. 
Yeah, I get it. 

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With children, we want to 
protect children. 

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That's that's our number one aim
as educators. 

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We always say if you were to ask
me my role as a teacher, my 

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number one thing was always 
safety of children. 

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So I, I please don't think I'm 
not taking that seriously, but I

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just think that you, you, that's
why I think you. 

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Can do it, Yeah, yeah. 
That's why I think it's like, 

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without sounding common control 
tech, it's not actually that 

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hard to ensure the tech is safe.
Like in in all seriousness, is 

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doing 10 minutes of your 
practise on a maths app in 

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school with your teachers like 
actually watching over you and 

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monitoring it and setting it for
you and then when you finish 

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they give you some intervention.
Are you are you? 

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Do you? 
Do you really going to try and 

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convince me? 
That that's bad. 

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Yeah, yeah, genuinely. 
Or that or that it's no better 

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than having a a sheet in front 
of them like and it's so easy to

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say what number one, the two 
things to me, everything now of 

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tech, especially now we're 
building a mass platform, right.

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Is does it save the teacher 
time? 

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That's what it's like a separate
thing that's just great. 

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Anyway, does it save the teacher
time? 

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Yes. 
Cool. 

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They get instant live gap 
analysis, for example, with like

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with Mapsu or instant generation
of multiple questions. 

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I don't know. 
Or the ability to see an 

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intervention group. 
I'm not trying, I promise. 

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00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:44,440
I'm turning to a sales pitch, 
but it is. 

453
00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,520
It is. 
Doing all the things that the 

454
00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,600
tech should be good for. 
And then what, you're I'm going 

455
00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,680
to tear you up here because a 
lot of people say that's great, 

456
00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:52,800
but it's at the expense of the 
kids. 

457
00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,720
Yeah, and it's not because if it
can save the teachers time and 

458
00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,080
it's also literally better for 
the kids because it's more, it's

459
00:17:58,080 --> 00:17:59,400
more personalised, it's more 
adaptive. 

460
00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,120
It can do things that one person
with a with pen and paper just 

461
00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:04,920
can't do quick enough. 
You might be able to do it if 

462
00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,600
you have three hours, but you 
don't have three hours. 

463
00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,120
You're in the middle of a 
lesson, like if it's better for 

464
00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:13,400
the children and it's better and
faster and gives more deeper 

465
00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,400
analysis, stuff that you could 
never get as a teacher and saves

466
00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,680
you time. 
It's a no brainer. 

467
00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,680
So the only barrier at that 
point is the kids haven't got 

468
00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,600
the, the, the equipment. 
So that's why full circle 

469
00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,480
finishing this conversation 
about Bridget Phillips and her 

470
00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,920
and her chat. 
That's why to me it's, it's been

471
00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,960
out like this stuff's been 
around for like 20 years. 

472
00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,640
Do you know what I mean? 
Like iPads, It's not like it's 

473
00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:33,960
brand new and it's like, oh, 
we're working on it. 

474
00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:35,640
We're going to start getting 
that funding together for this 

475
00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,560
new tech, for this new equipment
in schools. 

476
00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,280
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. 
Computers have been around for 

477
00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,480
like 30 years in schools. iPads 
have honestly been around for at

478
00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,520
least 15 years in schools. 
Like what are we talking about? 

479
00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,720
Come on. 
It's it's been so long now that 

480
00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,200
there isn't really much excuse. 
It's just OK, let's just let's 

481
00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,200
just get it done. 
Yeah, get it done, get it done. 

482
00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,640
And then from there the kids 
will benefit. 

483
00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:55,760
Absolutely. 
I completely agree. 

484
00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,080
I'm I'm very excited by it. 
I just think that has to come 

485
00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,560
first. 
It just has to second thing then

486
00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,360
before we go on to our. 
So the main bulk, what we'll do 

487
00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:06,040
later is we'll talk from a more,
I suppose, practical point of 

488
00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,720
view from teaching how useful AI
is for different jobs around, 

489
00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,920
around the classroom. 
What, what, whether it's a good 

490
00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,360
thing or a bad thing, come on to
that. 

491
00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:16,480
But one thing I wanted to talk 
about very quickly was what I 

492
00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,880
found one of the most 
captivating talks I've actually 

493
00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,640
listened to in a long time where
I was really like really on the 

494
00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,440
edge of my seat listening to 
every word they were saying. 

495
00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,640
And it was Amor Rajam from who 
hosts University Challenge. 

496
00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,000
Yes, an amazing journalist, does
BBC as well. 

497
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,360
And he's got a podcast a minute 
called Radical where he's going 

498
00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:37,960
in depth about people who like 
being radical in certain things.

499
00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,560
That was one about foster carers
recently. 

500
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,920
He's got Jonathan Height coming 
on who did the anxious 

501
00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,120
generation talking about 
smartphones, etcetera. 

502
00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:47,480
So I'm really interested and you
can just tell Amor really goes 

503
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,760
into depth about the things he's
talking to someone about. 

504
00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,600
And he's such a powerful 
interviewer because he knows it 

505
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,560
really well, but understands 
that there's an expert over the 

506
00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:56,760
way. 
And he was talking to Hannah 

507
00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,840
Fry. 
Everyone knows Hannah Fry, Fry 

508
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,400
squared. 
She's you're a big fan. 

509
00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,400
Huge. 
Fan just going back for a second

510
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,360
just gassing up Hannah Fryer. 
She's awesome. 

511
00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,200
I remember probably around the 
same same time we found it, 

512
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,600
there was a YouTube channel 
called Number File. 

513
00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,720
Still is number file if you're 
into maths. 

514
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:12,920
Which we are. 
Did you and you just? 

515
00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:14,840
You just like nerding out about 
maths things. 

516
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,240
It's just cool math stuff. 
Number file is a great channel 

517
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,560
and Hannah Fry, she think she 
still might do to be there but 

518
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,560
she there was certainly a period
of time like 78910 years ago 

519
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,960
where she did loads of videos 
with number file. 

520
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,320
And that is originally probably 
about 10 years ago how I got 

521
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,160
introduced to her and I remember
watching the video thinking 

522
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,240
she's awesome. 
I want to watch her explain more

523
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,480
stuff. 
Also just fun fact, she does not

524
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:34,680
age. 
She does. 

525
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,720
I was not age. 
I saw her on stage with with 

526
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,640
ammo doing this talk and I was 
like, you look exactly, exactly 

527
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,600
the same, Paul. 
Rudd and Hannah Fryer having the

528
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:43,920
same diet in your samples? 
Go. 

529
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,680
Seriously, go pull up a pull up 
a thumbnail from 10 years ago on

530
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,320
YouTube. 
She has not aged at all as 

531
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,600
mental. 
Whereas you do, I don't. 

532
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,040
Actually I don't I will look 
like this hopefully until I'm 

533
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,160
70. 
But the, the, the chat they had 

534
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,800
was really interesting. 
It was all about AI, it was all 

535
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,880
about artificial intelligence. 
And it kind of it was, it was 

536
00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:02,360
like embedded in education, but 
talked about like wider society 

537
00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:04,840
as well. 
And something I found so 

538
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,960
interesting and it really got me
thinking was they were talking 

539
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,760
about how AI will transform 
education, right? 

540
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,560
So whether we like it on our AI 
is here to stay, what's it going

541
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,640
to do? 
And they spoke about how 

542
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,920
currently AI, for example, 
there's a lot of worry in in 

543
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,320
university for students, 
etcetera. 

544
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,880
Sixth form, how AI is writing 
essays for the children. 

545
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:26,840
OK. 
And it's like, cool, I've got a 

546
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,560
shortcut now I can just write an
essay, get it done, get it 

547
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,280
graded. 
There's my B, Boom, I've got it.

548
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,360
And it really highlighted this, 
this issue and this thought 

549
00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:36,520
about how what is the point of 
learning? 

550
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,360
And AI has really put a 
microscope on it because for 

551
00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:43,560
those children, the point of 
learning was to get to the grade

552
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,000
at the end. 
And that is something I think is

553
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,240
so problematic in education all 
the way through that What's the 

554
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,000
point of learning to pass the 
test? 

555
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,680
What's the point in VA 6 to make
sure the SAT results are good at

556
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,080
the end? 
What's the point in secondary 

557
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,960
school to get your GCSE for your
qualifications? 

558
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,040
I understand in isolation why 
those things are important, but 

559
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,040
it became the whole reason for 
education for a lot of teachers.

560
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,160
I've got to get them through 
this test. 

561
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,360
I'm just doing it for the test. 
Doing it for the test. 

562
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,400
AI comes along and makes the end
product something you can just 

563
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,880
do in five seconds. 
It solves the problem if you 

564
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,720
think about it, AI solving that 
problem. 

565
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,520
I've written an essay for you. 
I've saved you 6 hours. 

566
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,480
Isn't everyone says AI is 4? 
Isn't that fantastic? 

567
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,960
And for me, what it's 
highlighted is how education 

568
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,640
needs a revamp. 
Whether we've got AI or not. 

569
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,960
Education needs to be resented 
to the act of learning is the 

570
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,680
point of learning. 
Why else do we learn if not for 

571
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,680
the journey and the struggle and
trying something and getting it 

572
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,080
wrong and finding something out 
and seeing that it works and 

573
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,280
spotting patterns? 
The act of doing that, much like

574
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,320
problem solving in maths, the 
act of doing something you don't

575
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,240
know how to get to the end, but 
you're going to try and get 

576
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,600
there anyway based on what 
you've learned with someone, a 

577
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,280
teacher normally alongside you, 
prompting you in the right 

578
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,880
direction. 
That's the point of learning. 

579
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,640
And it I found it fascinating 
how they spoke about how AI is 

580
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,320
taking that away and it almost 
doesn't matter anymore. 

581
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,840
And I'm interested to your 
points about, we talk about AI 

582
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,880
in tech and how it's so 
important that it should be 

583
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,320
implemented in education 
correctly. 

584
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,520
Do you think that's a problem 
and an issue then that it could 

585
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,920
end up being? 
We're not really focusing on 

586
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,760
what's important. 
Oh, big time, big time. 

587
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,800
I think I think Hannah, she went
really like meta with this and 

588
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,680
she was talking about almost 
like the whole world and just I 

589
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,480
like even like lifespans and she
was like we and I agree. 

590
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,800
We really just need to challenge
the status quo completely of 

591
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,040
like how life works now. 
She was like, AI is going to be 

592
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,160
so disruptive and such a fast 
moving tech that we already need

593
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,240
to stop looking at life as, Oh 
yeah, you go to school, you work

594
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,360
for X amount of years, you get 
these grades so that you can get

595
00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:44,880
this job and you work that job 
for 40 years so that you can 

596
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,720
retire and have a nice bit of 
time before you die. 

597
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,040
That is what she said. 
And and she was like, that's 

598
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,520
just not going to be a thing 
anymore. 

599
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,520
Like we're already seeing the 
disruption of people having to 

600
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,160
retrain after five years in a 
job because, oh, hey, I can do 

601
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,000
it now. 
It's happened in the short span 

602
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,400
of AI going from this little 
gimmicky thing to where it is 

603
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,360
now of in that time, it's 
already eradicated certain jobs 

604
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,000
or or at least huge, you know, 
chunks of certain jobs, and 

605
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,760
that's just fast. 
It just fascinates me like it. 

606
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,120
It not only does the education, 
you know, structure of education

607
00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:15,800
just need to be completely 
dismantled all of life. 

608
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:16,400
It's just. 
Like. 

609
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,000
We need to start what are we 
preparing children for? 

610
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,720
But ultimately it's for the 
workforce generally. 

611
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,840
That's what we know people, 
society says about education. 

612
00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:25,200
Well, the workforce is changing 
rapidly, and the workforce is 

613
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,640
going to be nothing like it used
to be. 

614
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,160
So actually, what are we 
preparing kids for? 

615
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,240
Yeah. 
And it kind of went back to that

616
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,840
question of what are we doing? 
Yeah, just getting essays done 

617
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,800
quicker and getting grades isn't
even useful anyway. 

618
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,400
That's the irony of it. 
It's like, you know, exactly. 

619
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,680
It's not even that useful now. 
It's solving a problem that 

620
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,400
doesn't need to be a problem. 
We've made it a problem. 

621
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,800
So here's the beauty of it. 
It's solving a problem for the 

622
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,640
workforce of yesterday. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

623
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,480
It doesn't even solve a real 
problem anymore. 

624
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,880
No, it doesn't make sense. 
So everything's outdated. 

625
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,880
All needs to be restructured and
rethought. 

626
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,520
I think is a huge problem. 
I don't think is gonna be any 

627
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,840
quick fixes to this at all. 
What I found really interesting 

628
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,080
as well on the back of that was 
how, you know, it was a big 

629
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,160
talk. 
That's why I loved it. 

630
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,000
I think that's why I was 
captivated, because it was about

631
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,480
big, big, big things. 
And it started with education. 

632
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,960
But you very quickly found out 
that actually education is life 

633
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,360
is everything, right? 
And they spoke about how again, 

634
00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:15,000
this is backdated view, much 
like what you said about go to 

635
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,040
go to school, get qualification,
get a job, retire. 

636
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,880
There's also a backdated view 
that you kind of don't have to 

637
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,080
keep learning new things. 
And this idea of like learnings 

638
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,400
for school keeper back then, 
it's actually with the advent of

639
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,120
AI. 
And she and she was saying, Amor

640
00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:29,960
was saying both of them are 
saying how they're more curious 

641
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,560
and find out more things than 
ever because they can use AI to 

642
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,080
superpower things, to superpower
research to find things out. 

643
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,080
And I was like, yes, that's what
we need as well. 

644
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,120
We need an entire population 
who's thirsty for knowledge, 

645
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,360
right? 
And unfortunately in school 

646
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:46,240
right now, I don't think we're 
feeding that thirst for 

647
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,600
knowledge enough. 
I think we're feeding a need for

648
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,560
to pass an exam feeling, a need 
for to write an essay. 

649
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,800
AI is going to come along and do
it even quicker and get us even 

650
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,360
further from creating a 
generation of children who want 

651
00:25:58,360 --> 00:25:59,960
to learn for the sake of 
learning. 

652
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,280
And what that will do is in the 
short term, cool grades might be

653
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,920
okay for a bit when we're just 
marking an essay, but it's going

654
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,440
to be a double whammy because 
like you said, the 

655
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,440
qualifications won't matter 
anymore because the jobs won't 

656
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,320
be there. 
But also then when they're 

657
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,160
adults, they'll have no 
experience in the act of 

658
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,640
learning or no desire to want to
find out more because they just 

659
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,520
think a bot can do it for them. 
And that's where we have to. 

660
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,880
We have to teach children at 
some point in their journey 

661
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:31,320
through education how to use AI 
to not do the work for them 

662
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,280
necessarily, but to help them 
with their learning and the 

663
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,120
journey themselves and make AI 
work for them rather than just 

664
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,360
exporting all of the output. 
Couldn't agree more. 

665
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:43,600
To superpower their critical 
thinking skills? 

666
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,520
Exactly. 
To superpower their enjoyment of

667
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,360
learning a particular subject 
that they've just found out. 

668
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:49,160
But how long? 
Have we said that it feels like 

669
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,440
AI is just putting a microscope 
on it? 

670
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,920
It's like, oh, AIS come along 
and can do the thing we've 

671
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,680
always thought is pointless and 
stupid even quicker, so kids 

672
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,200
have to do less. 
It's like, cool. 

673
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,720
The the problem remains. 
As a teacher, I want to inspire 

674
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,440
children, OK? 
I want to inspire them to want 

675
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,520
to find things out. 
My job I always thought of when 

676
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,040
I was in front of my class was I
want to trick them into thinking

677
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,480
they're deciding what comes 
next. 

678
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,720
I want to make them think that 
they're on their own journey, 

679
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,400
which they do as much as 
possible, but I'm curating it. 

680
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,560
My job as a curator and my job 
is to inspire, to make them 

681
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,040
think something. 
I want them to think of the next

682
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,600
thing in the progression without
them thinking I've made them do 

683
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:27,120
it. 
Yeah, yeah. 

684
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:28,560
Or without you just telling 
them, Yeah, because it's 

685
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,440
obviously, you know, you're 
thinking, you're asking the 

686
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:31,720
questions like, yeah, what would
happen here? 

687
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,600
You know exactly what happened. 
You're curating a curious mind. 

688
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,520
That's what you're doing. 
Yeah, that's what you want to 

689
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,200
do. 
And how boring and droll are the

690
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,600
lessons where you just stand at 
the front and just tell them 

691
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,160
things? 
Yeah, if I wanted to. 

692
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,920
There you go. 
There's AIAI can do that if we 

693
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,360
want to. 
We just get it on a voice note 

694
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:48,680
app, read out some facts to the 
kids. 

695
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,360
Yeah, what's that going to do? 
I want to inspire them. 

696
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:54,680
That's why I think there is 
still that difference between 

697
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,160
the teacher delivering A 
curriculum inspiring children 

698
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,320
and what AI can currently do 
right now. 

699
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,440
I think there's still a big, big
disconnect. 

700
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,120
We have to focus more on what we
as humans can do, human to 

701
00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:07,400
human. 
Well, that was a really good 

702
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,920
example of maybe a part of the 
class and perhaps the AI could 

703
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,560
be used for if it's literally 
just here are facts and you need

704
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,760
to know them. 
And there's no reason why a bot 

705
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,680
didn't even have to be AI 
couldn't just give you those 

706
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,520
facts. 
And in the olden days, they'd 

707
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,840
call it a book, give a child a 
book by themselves and read it 

708
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,240
to find out yourselves. 
But let's maybe we can go 

709
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,320
through a few things then in the
world of education that we think

710
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,960
and rank them as to how how good
we think AI is at doing that 

711
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,720
job. 
So in other words, how it almost

712
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,240
kind of coincides with how 
likely we think then AI is to 

713
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,040
replace that job, because how 
the better it is, the more 

714
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:38,920
likely. 
This is good. 

715
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,080
It's good. 
So we'll give it a square out of

716
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,880
10 and we'll say basically how 
useful is AI for this? 

717
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,680
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So I'll start you off then you 

718
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,880
can go with this one. 
So written lesson plans. 

719
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,800
OK. 
I think a solid 8A, solid 8 

720
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,640
explain. 
Because again, there's going to 

721
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,240
be context to all of these by 
the way, people here, right? 

722
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,840
And go what? 
Either way, the solid context 

723
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,000
here is that AI now, especially 
large language models can be 

724
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,800
trained on documents you upload.
Actually might be uploading 

725
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,440
documents from your curriculum. 
OK. 

726
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,360
Also very important, the prompts
you put into it. 

727
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,120
What I'm not saying in anything,
I think I'll talk for both of 

728
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:12,480
us. 
Now. 

729
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,680
I don't think either of us are 
just saying press a button and I

730
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,840
hope it comes. 
We have to have the 

731
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,520
understanding here that what 
we're doing is prompting AI to 

732
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,560
do this for us. 
So this is only as good as your 

733
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,960
prompts at any point. 
But if your prompts are good, 

734
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,640
especially I'm thinking of 
medium to long term planning, If

735
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,080
you want AI to organise your 
learning in a structured order 

736
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,600
and you're putting up the 
curriculum for it, I think it'd 

737
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,880
be very good at putting that 
into a table for you and mapping

738
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,880
out across the year that kind of
grunt work that you could sit 

739
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,480
there and do it on Excel if you 
wanted to. 

740
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,400
AI can do that in 10 seconds for
you. 

741
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,760
I think that's fantastic. 
The actual content itself, the 

742
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,360
reason why it's not more than an
8 for me is because I think 

743
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,720
personally, the content will 
always come from something else.

744
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,680
Even if I was curating it, I'd 
be getting my content from 

745
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,040
somewhere else. 
I'd be reading through the 

746
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,920
content and deciding what to do 
AI, I'd be giving it that right.

747
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,440
So it's still, it's still. 
Don't just think that I'm hoping

748
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,680
it does the right thing. 
And the reason it's not 9 or 10 

749
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,800
is because afterwards I'd be 
spending time going through what

750
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,280
it did and editing it. 
But I think in general, for 

751
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,400
written lesson plans, I think 
written lesson plans on the 

752
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,840
whole, especially when you're 
more experienced, are an 

753
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:12,800
absolute waste of time. 
Yeah, yeah. 

754
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,240
I was going to say, what about 
in the classic situation where 

755
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,000
you've already planned your 
lesson in terms of what, however

756
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,920
you do that, whether it's a 
PowerPoint or in your mind or 

757
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,120
it's practical, whatever. 
And then the school policy is, 

758
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,480
Oh, no, you have to have it 
written down on this, on this 

759
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,400
planning format. 
You've already done the work. 

760
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,160
There's nothing to gain for you 
in the situation of writing it 

761
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,680
down. 
It's just for the score in that 

762
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,240
situation, it's the 10 out of 10
because I'm like, I don't even 

763
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,840
want to do this anyway. 
So if someone else and if AI can

764
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,360
just take what I've already done
and and just put it into some 

765
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,160
lovely written lesson for 
someone else, great. 

766
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,080
So here's here's my big worry 
for AI. 

767
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,800
Not worry, but I can see this 
happening already is people 

768
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,440
become obsessed with AI and try 
to shoehorn AI into every single

769
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,360
part of their teams life. 
So let's say you're the head of 

770
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,080
a school or a trust and you 
think I need to get AI and 

771
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,080
everything for productivity? 
We must get it in everything. 

772
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,960
Sometimes I think it adds steps 
that you don't need right? 

773
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,640
So whilst okay, sure in your 
context there right of your 

774
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,640
written plan, you've already got
your smart notebook or your or 

775
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,280
your PowerPoint for your lesson.
You're ready to teach, you're as

776
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,120
ready as you can be, but there's
a your your school go. 

777
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,800
No, no, I need a written plan 
just put into AI. 

778
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,640
It'd be so quick. 
It was like, OK, any second I 

779
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,120
put into making that is a second
I didn't need to spend yeah, but

780
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,120
they'll look at how long would 
it have taken you if we hadn't 

781
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,440
had AI. 
It's gone from one hour to 10 

782
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,800
minutes. 
Isn't that fantastic? 

783
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,240
I really need people to 
understand here and just be 

784
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,080
nuanced and think about stuff 
moment to moment because 

785
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,080
actually, no, you haven't saved 
50 minutes, OK? 

786
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,000
You've wasted 10 minutes. 
Yeah, definitely. 

787
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,600
It's like Amazon Black Friday. 
No, you haven't. 

788
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,360
You haven't saved £200 on that 
Hoover. 

789
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,120
You don't need OK from 400 to 
£200. 

790
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,960
You've wasted £200 because you 
didn't. 

791
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:45,920
Need it? 
Yeah, and you won't get about 

792
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:46,480
anyway. 
Exactly. 

793
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:47,440
Just flip it. 
Exactly. 

794
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,160
Yeah, Yeah. 
You've no longer wasted 60 

795
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,320
minutes. 
You've wasted 10 minutes. 

796
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,960
That's the way to do it. 
No, you've saved 50. 

797
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,200
Exactly. 
So thinking outside the box is 

798
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,320
important, isn't here. 
In general, if just like is the 

799
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,640
system broke, is is the system 
the problem, not can we make the

800
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,000
system quicker? 
Exactly right. 

801
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,360
I'm going to give you, I'm going
to communication with parents. 

802
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,080
So letters, newsletters, notes 
in general. 

803
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,960
Maybe as a teacher you want to 
e-mail parents. 

804
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,440
Quite probably like a three or 
four for me. 

805
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,920
Yeah, because I think the, I 
think, I think AI can do some of

806
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,360
the grunt work in terms of 
speeding up your notes perhaps 

807
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,400
into a formal letter. 
That's quite good. 

808
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,120
There's no reason. 
But like, realistically, all of 

809
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,920
the content absolutely has to be
created and created by you. 

810
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,640
You know what I mean? 
You're talking to a parent about

811
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,920
their child. 
Like every child is unique. 

812
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,400
It's a different situation. 
It's not like a curriculum 

813
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,280
document. 
You can't just upload the child 

814
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,640
into a into a thing and say this
is like a national curriculum 

815
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,600
document is one thing and it's 
objective, you know? 

816
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,200
GDPR. 
Yeah, exactly. 

817
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,920
But a child is like a child. 
Every child's experience and 

818
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,240
life is different. 
I can't really. 

819
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,640
I just need to talk to the 
parent and have a nuanced 

820
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,160
conversation. 
Like I don't really think AI. 

821
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,800
Hold that floor. 
Yeah, because I'm going to give 

822
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,880
you another one straight away. 
Report writing that one. 

823
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,160
Why is it different? 
I kind of said it already that 

824
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,240
report writing is. 
Nuanced. 

825
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,480
Every single child is. 
Different, true. 

826
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,800
I guess I'm really putting 
emphasis on report writing on on

827
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,040
the writing bit. 
Communication with parents to me

828
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,920
is like phone calls and like you
said, maybe notes or or chatting

829
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,320
after school. 
Like it's kind of like AI is. 

830
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,600
I can't see it replacing much of
that. 

831
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,920
OK, so you so for communicate, 
let's be really clear then 

832
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,480
because that's very interesting 
for communication with parents. 

833
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,160
What you're saying is actually 
you should be doing in person 

834
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,760
stuff more. 
Yeah, realistically and I, I 

835
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,520
don't think AI should be taking 
that away from the experience of

836
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,520
school and the relationship 
between parents and. 

837
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,040
School. 
OK, Very. 

838
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,560
Interesting. 
Whereas report writing is 

839
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,560
traditionally a piece of paper 
with writing on it. 

840
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,800
And to me, I mean, I've done it 
for years, there's, there's just

841
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,280
no benefit to me writing out the
paragraphs myself when I can 

842
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,920
just put all of my bullet points
that I would already have 

843
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,520
written. 
So in both situations, AI or not

844
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,840
AI, I'm writing some bullet 
points out about a child and the

845
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,320
things I want to get across to 
their parent. 

846
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,440
Then I'm spending either 1520 
minutes curating a lovely 

847
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,440
paragraph that's written really 
nicely, or I can spend 5 seconds

848
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,160
putting into AI and saying this 
is my writing style. 

849
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,840
Can you just, can you just put 
these notes into a paragraph and

850
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,720
then proofreading it, always 
doing little bits of edits, but 

851
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,600
the time saved is astronomical. 
When I started using AI for 

852
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,040
reports, not only were they just
better because I wasn't getting 

853
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,159
the fatigue and starting to just
be like, oh man, I've been 

854
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:17,400
writing reports for 17 hours. 
Genuinely because I'm just, I'm 

855
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,719
so fatigued that and it's all in
my own time because no one ever 

856
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,520
gets bloody report writing time 
nearly or never enough that I'm 

857
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,440
just copying paragraphs from 
previous kids because they're 

858
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,040
similar. 
I'll just change, tweak a word 

859
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,080
or two. 
Oh, I'm just using a Bank of 

860
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,120
stuff from five years ago, from 
10 years ago. 

861
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,040
Like like we all pretend that 
that was fine. 

862
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,800
Maybe it was, but we can't then 
also say, oh, AI is terrible. 

863
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,639
Actually, AI was making more 
unique paragraphs than ever 

864
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:43,800
before. 
It was still mimicking my style 

865
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,840
and I and it didn't have to copy
and paste anything from any 

866
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,600
other child. 
I could give it unique notes 

867
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,880
every single time about each 
child, and all it did was just 

868
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,679
formulate those notes into a 
paragraph for someone else to 

869
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:55,719
read in a professional manner. 
So like the sheer amount of 

870
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,440
grunt work that had to go into 
report writing for you bumps it 

871
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,080
up from your free. 
So what would you give out of 

872
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,440
10? 
For you, I'd probably still give

873
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,560
it like 7 because ultimately, 
yeah, it would be a 10 if if the

874
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,120
notes taking wasn't existed, 
existing even 7. 

875
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,440
Probably a bit generous to be 
honest with you. 

876
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,760
Because that is, I'm going to 
give it five. 

877
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,200
I'm going down because I think 
half, half of the importance 

878
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,880
there is is just from you, the 
teacher, your understanding of 

879
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,400
the child, nothing to do with 
anybody else. 

880
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,120
That bit is so important, even 
though it only takes 5% of the 

881
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,640
time now. 
Yeah, very, very important. 

882
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,840
So AI can't cannot replace that 
bit, but it can replace the time

883
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,000
saved with writing. 
So I'm going to very quickly on 

884
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,680
this now, whilst we're talking 
about this, I'm going to ask 

885
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,080
you, would you use AI for this 
thing? 

886
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,160
It's all to do with this. 
OK. 

887
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,360
OK. 
Would you use AI to to when 

888
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,160
sending an e-mail to a parent? 
Yeah. 

889
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,560
Would you use AI when sending 
out a letter to a parent? 

890
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,160
Yeah. 
Would you use AI when writing 

891
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,040
reports? 
Yep. 

892
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,480
Would you use AI when writing a 
HCP plan? 

893
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,560
Yeah. 
Interest. 

894
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
What made you slow down? 

895
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,360
Because I was thinking that's 
more sensitive and again, like a

896
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,720
bit more nuanced, but actually 
do. 

897
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:56,840
You think it's worth the time 
notes or are you really 

898
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,080
separating Outlook? 
I put the grunt, I put the 

899
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,920
actual actually. 
Yeah, I think because you have 

900
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,680
to put so much, so much careful 
consideration of thoughts into 

901
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,800
the kind of your note taking 
process when writing the HCP in 

902
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,920
the 1st place, that kind of 
becomes the HCP. 

903
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,480
I'd probably avoid. 
It so there might actually not 

904
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,840
be that much difference there 
because it's so it's so from. 

905
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,920
You trying to see where maybe 
your line is basically like, you

906
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,240
know, like, you know, a letter 
out to a letter is just very 

907
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:20,080
generic. 
Isn't it down to like a very 

908
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,080
specific legal document over the
plan for the HP that we're gonna

909
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,000
implement for? 
The child. 

910
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
There's got the Whether I'm 

911
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,360
right or wrong, there's got to 
be a line somewhere. 

912
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,360
In my opinion, I still probably.
I think I would, you know, in 

913
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,840
what, in what respect there 
purely if there was just some 

914
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,280
crazy format I had to fill out 
and I was like, I've done all 

915
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,960
the work and I just wanted to 
turn into that format. 

916
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,400
I'd absolutely use that. 
And just be really clear. 

917
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,040
I want to put a disclaimer in 
here because I know me and you 

918
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,400
know this and this is like deep 
within our brains, we would do 

919
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,320
not advocate and would never 
actually put children's names 

920
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,560
and we would not breach GDPR by 
putting children's names and 

921
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,840
data into things like ChatGPT. 
You can use blanks. 

922
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,120
You can get it to structure 
sentences without using 

923
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,240
children's names, and you 
shouldn't do it. 

924
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,960
We should say that because it is
very, very, very, very, very, 

925
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,080
very important. 
Like there are people out there 

926
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,840
who are lovely and don't mean 
any harm whatsoever, who won't 

927
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,320
even think about it. 
They're not being malicious, but

928
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,080
it's bad and you should not do 
that. 

929
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,440
So if you're doing your reports,
don't put just put literally 

930
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,880
like a string of letters or a or
something in when you're putting

931
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,600
it into the thing, you still 
give the description, the bullet

932
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,160
points and then just manually 
replace put the child's name in 

933
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,480
your. 
So that's how that's how to do 

934
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,560
it. 
Just to be really clear, in case

935
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,440
someone's. 
Also that means, by the way, it 

936
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,800
means that I built in my editing
and reviewing whilst I was 

937
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:28,720
putting name in. 
Yeah. 

938
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:30,200
And I did one of the. 
I was like, oh, it's an extra 

939
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,600
thing. 
Not really because I read it. 

940
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,640
I always read them, Yeah. 
And any time it said name, I'd 

941
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,200
write their name in, then I'd 
keep reading it. 

942
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,000
And it may be something else. 
I don't quite like that word. 

943
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,120
I think it's not quite right. 
I added that, put the name in, 

944
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,120
put the name in it. 
It worked quite well. 

945
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,200
Yeah, it was absolutely fine. 
It really was still a huge time,

946
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,840
save for unique reports. 
I'm going to give you 1 now. 

947
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,120
So going back to the context of 
rating out of 10, how useful AI 

948
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,080
is for something in the 
classroom, lesson hooks. 

949
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,480
So that bit at the start of the 
lesson. 

950
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,800
Yeah, I think this is where it 
can come into its own depending 

951
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,680
on what you're doing. 
Like it can be 10 out of 10. 

952
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:03,240
Genuinely, I've, I've not for 
every lesson ever, but you might

953
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:04,600
decide actually, do you know 
what? 

954
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,600
I, we did some writing once 
before we were doing some 

955
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,680
character description. 
Tell me the hardest thing to get

956
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,200
kids to believe is real when 
they're doing writing, is that 

957
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,560
it? 
There's a real purpose behind 

958
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,640
it, right? 
How much better is children's 

959
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,880
writing when there's purpose? 
That's why, you know, when 

960
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,760
you're writing a letter, you try
and write that to someone 

961
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,480
important. 
You say I'm going to send it to 

962
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,040
David Attenborough, I'm going to
send it to the Prime Minister, 

963
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,160
I'm going to send it to Father 
Christmas, whatever it might be.

964
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,640
So purpose is massive in writing
because you get children engaged

965
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,480
and want to do it. 
So we were doing some writing 

966
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,440
before we did some character 
descriptions quite draw quite 

967
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,240
boring, genuinely, like unless 
they've got a really vivid 

968
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:42,040
imagination that some children 
don't have. 

969
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,320
So AII remember at the front of 
the room we were doing some 

970
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,200
shared writing together. 
We were talking about how to use

971
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,760
different descriptive words, 
etcetera. 

972
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,840
What can make the, the, the 
monster thing they're doing, 

973
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,200
monsters or aliens or something,
really stand out? 

974
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,840
And I then put that into image 
generation and it made the image

975
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,320
and they saw it and they 
immediately then could link 

976
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,720
between the words they had 
chosen and what it looks like. 

977
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,240
And then after that, we went 
back, we identified all the 

978
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:13,720
adjectives in the sentence, for 
example, and we said, OK, that 

979
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:17,520
that alien, it's, it's too big. 
It's too big. 

980
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,360
Did we describe? 
Oh, you said it's enormous. 

981
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,840
Rub it out, changed it went to 
something else. 

982
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,760
It's green. 
I don't think Green's that good.

983
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,720
I think in the in that 
environment, I think it'd be 

984
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:28,800
better to be like purpley or 
something, whatever it might be.

985
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,400
Go through, scrub out the 
adjectives and swap them. 

986
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,280
Whatever reason to maybe change 
the theme or to change the feel 

987
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,760
of the monster to make it from a
cuddly monster to a scary 

988
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,600
monster. 
So the kids were having purpose 

989
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,000
because they knew it was about 
to be regenerated and we were 

990
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,760
talking about the power of words
in writing. 

991
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,240
It became tangible for them. 
That hook was 10 out of 10 for 

992
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:52,120
my kids because suddenly they 
were thinking every word they 

993
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,240
wrote in their paper. 
They were thinking right when 

994
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,480
Mr. Price generates this image, 
I said to them, going to 

995
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,960
generate all your animals When 
Mr. Price generates this, is 

996
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,160
that the right word to use? 
Or actually, I really want it to

997
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,680
look like this. 
What's a better word? 

998
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,160
Let's get the thesaurus. 
Let's look it up. 

999
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,080
There was so much purpose. 
Their writing was so much 

1000
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,960
better. 
It was meaningful. 

1001
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,080
And we said every word that goes
in your page will be learned and

1002
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,520
be shown. 
And it was 10 out of 10. 

1003
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,240
That hook worked so well. 
And that was using AI. 

1004
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,600
That's it. 
Do you reckon you're skewed 

1005
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,480
slightly towards English in 
terms of like where hooks are 

1006
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,320
really good? 
Yeah, because it depends. 

1007
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,120
It depends because writing, I've
also before asked it like what 

1008
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,960
AI can do is give you lots of 
ideas. 

1009
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,040
Yeah, true, lots of ideas. 
So for example, what I always 

1010
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,320
say is never ask it for a hook, 
never ask it for an idea. 

1011
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,640
You might say, right, I'm doing 
a lesson this afternoon on, you 

1012
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,600
know, encampments or something, 
or Roman history or, or how, you

1013
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,160
know, the Anglo Saxons came over
to Britain, etcetera. 

1014
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,400
I made you didn't say Rivers, 
but yeah. 

1015
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,240
Rivers. 
Rivers are. 

1016
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,080
I'm really trying to avoid 
saying rivers usually. 

1017
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,640
Really. 
I'm doing a lesson on rivers. 

1018
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,400
How can I hook the children to 
get them interested in this 

1019
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,160
story? 
So you can say to them like, but

1020
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,960
you can say give me 10 ideas. 
Yeah, definitely. 

1021
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,120
And it'll generate 10/7 will be 
nonsense. 

1022
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,240
Yeah, 2 will be all right, and 1
might be really good. 

1023
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:08,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So it's just about ideas and it 

1024
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,600
can give you ideas. 
And I found again, I'll say this

1025
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,800
again, AI for a lot of people is
stifling creativity. 

1026
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,440
For me, I became more creative 
because it gave me more ideas. 

1027
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,520
I did stuff at the start of 
lessons that I would not have 

1028
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,040
done before. 
I always thought to myself, 

1029
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,880
what's a really good hook? 
And Oh my God, I just scoffed my

1030
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,160
lunch down. 
I'm on duty for a bit. 

1031
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:29,040
I've got a lesson this 
afternoon. 

1032
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,800
I can't think for two seconds. 
Why don't you try starting off 

1033
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,520
by doing this? 
Yes, we're going to start off 

1034
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,440
with a little story. 
Wouldn't people argue that is 

1035
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,240
stifling your creativity though 
because you didn't do it? 

1036
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,080
No, it's not stifling by 
creative because the option is 

1037
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,960
I'm not creative at all or I'm 
choosing, I'm making my lesson 

1038
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,680
more creative. 
So that's what that's what I 

1039
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,560
mean. 
Like I without it, I would not 

1040
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,120
have done anything. 
So by definition, I was more 

1041
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,600
creative. 
But if I'm not, I'm not this. 

1042
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:56,320
I'm a teacher. 
I'm there to give children, you 

1043
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,000
know, option opportunities in a 
lesson to be more hooked and 

1044
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,720
engaged by something. 
It's a more creative lesson. 

1045
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,480
Am I personally going through 
the creative process of sat down

1046
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,880
thinking about, no, I don't have
time to do it, but it's made my 

1047
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,520
lesson more creative. 
It's made my children more 

1048
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,760
engaged. 
I'm giving more to the kids as a

1049
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,880
result, just because I've used 
this as a tool. 

1050
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,160
I think for hooks, by all means,
use your own hooks that you've 

1051
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,800
used in your whole career. 
There are some lessons. 

1052
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,400
I know what I'm gonna do all the
time when I'm doing instructions

1053
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,200
for the first time. 
We make a sandwich. 

1054
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,000
Yeah, yeah, of course. 
And we go, the kids say, put the

1055
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,440
bread on top, I'll put on top of
my head. 

1056
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:29,920
You're not being specific 
enough. 

1057
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,360
All that kind of stuff. 
This stuff I will always do, but

1058
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,600
for lessons where you want 
something just whack it into AI.

1059
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,640
The Egyptian lesson years ago 
and we used to introduce 

1060
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,480
Egyptians and we'd get we'd get 
the toilet paper out, dress up 

1061
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,720
as mummy, they'd get the sand 
out and they'd dig for treasure 

1062
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,960
just to get them hooked into the
idea of. 

1063
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,200
Dig for treasure, that classic 
historical language. 

1064
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,960
Dig for treasure. 
Kids dress up as mummy. 

1065
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,720
Dress up as archaeologists. 
No one's taking primary learning

1066
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:53,560
seriously. 
But it was hook, you know, and 

1067
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,520
the thought of like replacing 
that with that was the best hook

1068
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,120
for that. 
Yeah. 

1069
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,160
I mean, that that didn't need 
AI, but you're absolutely right.

1070
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,360
You know what AI might have been
instrumental in thinking of that

1071
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:01,960
hook in the 1st place. 
Do you know from that meta level

1072
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,800
like, yeah, exactly. 
As well as actually being used 

1073
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,880
like in your English example? 
I want to do another one with 

1074
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,320
you because it's kind of linked.
I think it's close enough. 

1075
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,640
Anyway, that was lesson hooks. 
What about in the main part of 

1076
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,600
the lesson, like the actual 
worksheet? 

1077
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,440
Oh, this really depends. 
It can genuinely be 0 out, then 

1078
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,360
it can genuinely be absolute 
trash nonsense. 

1079
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,640
It can be quite useful, right? 
So let me be really specific 

1080
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,680
here, give you some examples. 
When I've taught GPS objectives 

1081
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,760
in the past and I've wanted ten 
questions to fill a gap with a 

1082
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,240
preposition or something, or 
choosing between as sorry and 

1083
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:39,400
and a right or choosing A 
determiner to go in the gap or 

1084
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,480
anything like that kind of 
nonsense that I hate anyway. 

1085
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,080
I don't want to spend 10 minutes
putting a sheet together for 

1086
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,240
that. 
So AI was very good at 

1087
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:52,240
generating 10/15/20 sentences 
with the preposition missing and

1088
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:55,160
maybe even in brackets 3 to 
choose from that kind of 

1089
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,000
generation of worksheets. 
Fantastic. 

1090
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,000
AI generated loads of times 
table practise for me. 

1091
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,080
And I said only do three and two
times table mix up the 

1092
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,600
presentation. 
It could handle that. 

1093
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,120
Yeah, yeah, right. 
So in terms of that kind of 

1094
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,880
rote, repetitive fill in the box
text level stuff. 

1095
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,520
Closed procedure. 
Exactly. 

1096
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:13,880
Closed procedure, that's the 
word. 

1097
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,240
I found it was very good at 
that, especially if you give it 

1098
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:20,440
the right prompts and told it 
what to do outside of that when 

1099
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:21,920
it gets a bit further. 
I don't know. 

1100
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,440
We've played around with 
different things, haven't we? 

1101
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,120
And I'm not going to sit and 
name all companies etcetera, but

1102
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,040
but it can be hit and miss, 
right? 

1103
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,280
Yeah. 
I think if we sort of band it 

1104
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,200
together then with maybe lesson 
generation general, like slide 

1105
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,960
generation. 
So like your work, basically the

1106
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,080
content that you might put in on
a sheet for the kids to work 

1107
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,120
through, all the content that 
might be on your slides when 

1108
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,320
you're going through. 
But very quick, I think that's, 

1109
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:41,920
I think that's, I think it's 
completely separate in terms of 

1110
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:45,360
even the worksheets. 
Yeah, like I think even that 

1111
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,680
even those alone is such a wide 
range. 

1112
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:48,360
Oh, fair enough. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1113
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,680
But in terms of the no, because 
you're basically saying no 

1114
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,120
worksheet's fine. 
It's not like half the time like

1115
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,840
if you, if you want a registered
worksheet, like for example, 

1116
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,680
even in a maths objective, you 
know when you create maths 

1117
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,040
questions where in a row there's
a reason why you put them in a 

1118
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,240
row. 
Like you know, 7 * 870 * 871 * 

1119
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:10,360
871 * 9 and and all that, you 
know, individual, you could sit 

1120
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,240
and work them out, but every 
single jump there's a reason why

1121
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:14,760
you've jumped it and there's 
reasoning built in. 

1122
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,080
I find it really struggles of 
anything like that. 

1123
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,680
And if you want a real quality 
task for your children, I think 

1124
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,120
it's better to create it 
yourself sometimes, or get it 

1125
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,200
from a real trusted source where
a specialist has done that. 

1126
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:27,560
That's all I'll say about that, 
but please crack. 

1127
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,800
On no, no, I was sort of 
bandaged together because I 

1128
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,120
also, I agree by the way, like 
with worksheet generation, go 

1129
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,120
back to that for a second. 
Even things like I think about 

1130
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,600
some of those sort of rich 
afternoon lessons we do 

1131
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,400
sometimes maybe in science or or
history or something where it's 

1132
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,240
not actually in that lesson, 
just about like question, 

1133
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:45,080
answer, question, answer, 
knowledge, knowledge, knowledge.

1134
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,120
Sometimes it's like a we're 
going to go out and we're going 

1135
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,800
to stick some leaves in and 
we're going to come back and we 

1136
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,440
analyse them and we're going to 
label them as stuff. 

1137
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:53,880
I felt like AI would was rubbish
at doing that. 

1138
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,560
It was rubbish at create that 
thinking of that idea and making

1139
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,280
a worksheet for me because I 
definitely tried it lots of 

1140
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,080
times and it was always very, 
very, very boring stuff. 

1141
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,040
So like, yeah, I agree, sort of 
three out of 10 is not not the 

1142
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,280
best at doing that. 
Then with slide generation, this

1143
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,720
one is fascinating because I 
feel like it's the it's the 

1144
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:10,200
thing people are trying to crack
at the moment. 

1145
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,000
And maybe it has been cracked, 
but I'm sort of yet to see it in

1146
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,400
all honesty, that there's lots 
of bits of software out there 

1147
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,880
that say, oh, just put in some 
prompts and or tell it what your

1148
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,720
curriculum is and it will make a
whole lesson for you at the 

1149
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:26,640
PowerPoint. 
And I've tried a few and I'll be

1150
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,160
honest, I would not use them in 
my class. 

1151
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,120
I would not use them. 
Like even you could argue or 

1152
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,560
maybe it just gives you a 
starting point, a base, a base 

1153
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,760
point to sort of adapt from. 
Even though it was, it was, I 

1154
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,400
was clutching at straws to be 
honest with you. 

1155
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,000
I was thinking, I have to edit 
this so much that I might as 

1156
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,240
well just start from scratch. 
Like this isn't really saved me 

1157
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:47,080
any time. 
And if I was to use it, it's 

1158
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:50,760
very very sub optimal lesson in 
terms of the resources being put

1159
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,120
in front of kids. 
That's just my opinion, I'm sure

1160
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,640
people disagree. 
A lot of people are enjoying 

1161
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,480
using these resources because 
I'm sure it does save them time,

1162
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,640
but at what cost? 
So this is I would say we can 

1163
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,440
probably round off in terms of 
the talk here, because I think 

1164
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:10,560
this is the perfect example of 
how saving teachers time and 

1165
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,320
school staff time is genuinely 
at the forefront of everything 

1166
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,320
that we should be using with 
tech, right? 

1167
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,240
But it needs to be on a level 
with it being quality for the 

1168
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,440
for the for the students, right?
For the children. 

1169
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,880
It has to be equal. 
It has to be because I feel like

1170
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,880
a lot of the shortcuts currently
for creating worksheets or 

1171
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,640
creating slides. 
I'm not saying it won't happen 

1172
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,200
in the future. 
I think we could get to a point 

1173
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,680
where it is very useful, but 
currently it's at the detriment 

1174
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,120
of the quality of what's being 
produced because AI can produce 

1175
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:42,720
slop. 
We know that it's still at this 

1176
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:45,240
stage getting better, but we 
know it can produce rubbish. 

1177
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,680
So when you look at these, I, I 
look at it, sometimes I think 

1178
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,040
that would not wash in my school
if, if I made, if I made that 

1179
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,680
slide, I said, here's the lesson
guys, for everyone. 

1180
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,040
That would not pass as a good 
enough lesson. 

1181
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,320
Not only sometimes in the 
generation of lessons that we 

1182
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,080
practise, we, we looked at and 
tried, not only sometimes were 

1183
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,160
the facts just wrong, which was 
a whole different conversation 

1184
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:06,680
about how it's scraping the 
Internet. 

1185
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,600
Sometimes the facts were 
literally wrong. 

1186
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,480
And as a teacher who's not a 
specialist in geography and 

1187
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,200
rivers, it could have it could 
have scraped something off. 

1188
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,760
That sounds right. 
What I'm gonna do research 

1189
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,160
everything. 
I might have just did a research

1190
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,240
myself. 
Literally just picture that was 

1191
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:22,440
wrong as well. 
It was it was a historical 

1192
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:23,680
person. 
It was really important that 

1193
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,160
this picture was accurate. 
Just pulled up like a picture of

1194
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,160
different people and I was like,
oh, this is terrible. 

1195
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,200
This is. 
Not good. 

1196
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,440
It's like it should have been 
Winston Churchill, but it was 

1197
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:33,840
bloody, you know? 
Margaret Thatcher. 

1198
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,880
Yeah, it's something. 
I don't think Margaret Thatcher 

1199
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,720
was involved in World War 2. 
Yeah, or it was someone that 

1200
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:39,600
just looked a bit like Winston 
Churchill, and it's like this. 

1201
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,320
Oh, like he's clearly scoured 
Internet and thought this was 

1202
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,320
this. 
But it's not like this is not 

1203
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:44,680
good. 
And it's not going to pass 

1204
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,680
schools. 
Everyone who works in this 

1205
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,040
school, we talk about it so much
how schools are obsessed with 

1206
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,920
uniformity as well sometimes and
slides having to look the same 

1207
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,200
and following the same 
structure. 

1208
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,080
There's no structure. 
There was no structure to those 

1209
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,400
lessons. 
It was just like a story. 

1210
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,960
And it's like, cool if we've got
absolutely no standards in what 

1211
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:03,760
lessons look like, maybe that's.
Just so I think it'll get there.

1212
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,880
In all honesty, with the great 
AI changing, I do think we'll 

1213
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,360
get there. 
It's just that right now I'd say

1214
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,640
it's not the best at doing that 
job and it still needs a 

1215
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:10,880
teacher's touch. 
Let's get to the big one, 

1216
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,000
because I really want to ask you
this one. 

1217
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:17,000
Teaching out of 10, AI replacing
teaching. 

1218
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:21,480
Right. 
Right now as the hold as me as a

1219
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:26,320
teacher in the classroom one. 1,
not 0 but. 

1220
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,880
One, no, no, not 0, because you 
just have to be honest that 

1221
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,600
there are things that AI is 
better than me at. 

1222
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,320
Yeah, of course there is. 
Hannah Frye said anything that 

1223
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,200
can be done sat at a computer 
will be replaced by AI. 

1224
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:42,880
Yeah, it is some element of a 
teacher's job sat behind a 

1225
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:43,960
computer. 
We wouldn't have a bloody 

1226
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,440
podcast at all. 
How often we talked about how 

1227
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,400
we're not in this repetitive 
point in the class. 

1228
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:50,880
So let's take that away. 
Yeah, brilliant. 

1229
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,760
That's maybe it's a 2. 
But the teaching bit, you are 

1230
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,120
standing in front of kids and 
you are delivering content to 

1231
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,080
them and you are teaching and 
you are adapting on the spot and

1232
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,680
you're doing all eight of the 
teachers standards. 

1233
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,960
That bit of teaching, pastoral 
right now. 

1234
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,480
Pastoral, OK, all of it. 
Yeah, right now is 1 out of 10, 

1235
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:05,920
isn't it? 
Yeah. 

1236
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:08,240
What do you think about the 
future? 

1237
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:10,320
Because this is where I think we
have had lots of little 

1238
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,040
discussion about. 
Let's air this out now. 

1239
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,960
All right, all right. 
Where do you think we're going? 

1240
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,880
It is to me, and this is not me 
saying this is good to me, 

1241
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:26,160
inevitable, that the job of a 
teacher will be replaced by 

1242
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,240
artificial intelligence at some 
point in the future. 

1243
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:35,720
Are we talking robots or AI 
actually doing the entire job, 

1244
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,080
teaching the kids, the pastoral 
care, all of it. 

1245
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,240
Listen, I I don't like this 
prediction. 

1246
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,120
I don't think this prediction is
good. 

1247
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,000
That's fine. 
But I do think there will be a 

1248
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,920
point where it will be a choice 
by governments or whoever is in 

1249
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:55,280
charge to spend more money to 
get a real life human in front 

1250
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,360
of the staff. 
And it'll only be as long as the

1251
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,280
resolve is there for humans to 
have humans with other humans, 

1252
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,280
that that will happen. 
I think it will get to a point 

1253
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,640
where artificial intelligence is
better at everything that we can

1254
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,280
possibly do. 
It's it's literally better at 

1255
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,280
building in the same way. 
Do you know, different people 

1256
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:14,560
have different strengths, Right?
Yeah. 

1257
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,080
And if you lined up 100 people, 
you could line them up in the 

1258
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,720
order of how emotionally 
intelligent they are and how 

1259
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,880
empathetic they are and how how 
kind they are and how tall they 

1260
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,040
are and how angry they get. 
And it'll be all different 

1261
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,280
orders. 
There will come a point where 

1262
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,400
artificial intelligence will be 
at the top 1% of every single 

1263
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:32,600
one of them, right? 
In the same way me and you are 

1264
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,760
different. 
Artificial intelligence will 

1265
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,360
learn what makes us different 
and better and worse and be 

1266
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,360
better at everything than 
humans. 

1267
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,240
That will happen. 
The intelligence will get to 

1268
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:44,880
such a high level, it will 
skyrocket up where it gets to 

1269
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,200
the point where it knows 
everything and can do everything

1270
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,640
better and always people. 
You'll never replace a human's 

1271
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,880
heart and a human's touch. 
I was like, yeah, well, do you 

1272
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,000
know what? 
There's, I can think of a few 

1273
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,400
human emotions and intelligences
that I have that I think you 

1274
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,840
could learn to be better at than
me. 

1275
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So I'm just saying I don't like 

1276
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,320
this fact and I don't think it's
necessarily a good thing, but I 

1277
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,560
just think that humans are a 
bunch of chemicals, chemical 

1278
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,240
reactions, neurons are true 
there. 

1279
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,200
There will be a point where we 
can replicate that in a robot, 

1280
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:18,520
an artificial. 
Empathy for you. 

1281
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,520
You never learned that one 
that's that's low and that's 

1282
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,240
easy. 
AI does that now better than 

1283
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,800
you. 
Literally, that's my point. 

1284
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,280
And so I think it will replace 
it. 

1285
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,840
And I think it's going to come 
down to a cost evaluation. 

1286
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,240
And eventually there'll be so 
much pressure that they'll drop 

1287
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:35,440
you like, look, why, why can we 
sit here and say, and in the 

1288
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,640
chat people said all the white 
collar jobs are going to go, you

1289
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:39,760
know, all all the different 
jobs. 

1290
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,040
They're like, you know, lawyers.
They'll be, they'll be AI bought

1291
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,440
another law inside out and 
within 3 seconds can work over 

1292
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,880
something's right or wrong. 
Can take about look at all of 

1293
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,160
the log of every single 
conviction ever. 

1294
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,840
Get rid of any kind of bias and 
just judge someone immediately, 

1295
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,240
right. 
Better than a group of 12 random

1296
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:55,600
people from the whole country 
can. 

1297
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,520
What we are, of course it's 
better, but it's only going to 

1298
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,680
be the resolve of the humans in 
the system to say, no, we need 

1299
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,560
that human connection. 
They need to think of a really 

1300
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,040
good argument why we do it 
because eventually it will just 

1301
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,680
be, well, we're doing it just 
'cause that's why. 

1302
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,160
And I think there'll come a 
point where it's like they're 

1303
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,280
just better off you go. 
And I think I will take over the

1304
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:15,520
world. 
God, that's mad, isn't it? 

1305
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,840
I, I got a couple of things to 
say because I think your, your 

1306
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,920
argument is very compelling, 
especially when there's infinite

1307
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,440
time involved. 
I mean, I'm sort of like, OK, 

1308
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,200
maybe in 3000 years that is. 
Definitely, I think sooner, but.

1309
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:26,280
For you think, yeah, for sure. 
I think our, our understanding 

1310
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,720
of our differences mostly late 
in time, but even with the 

1311
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:33,000
government, I, you know, I 
always see things on the online 

1312
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,920
of being like, oh, this country 
is now going to use an AI member

1313
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,600
of cabinet and stuff like this. 
And I'm like it. 

1314
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,600
It does make sense, probably 
long term to for for things like

1315
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,520
governing bodies to be a bit 
more objective and, you know, 

1316
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,640
less likely to be corrupted if 
possible. 

1317
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,440
Let's So let's hire in the Mark 
Zuckerberg and Sam Altman 

1318
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:50,680
company. 
I'm not really sure. 

1319
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,920
Yeah, don't get me wrong. 
I think it's, I don't mean it's 

1320
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,240
going to get rid of right. 
I think it's going to hyper 

1321
00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:58,440
concentrate it to a very few 
very, very rich people and 

1322
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,000
democracy will become a farce. 
That's what I think. 

1323
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,520
Potentially, but for the same 
reason that that that's dumb in 

1324
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,200
terms of like the corruption 
from a different way. 

1325
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:07,920
I do think the same thing is 
probably going to happen in 

1326
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,960
teaching in terms of, OK, let's 
get in this these two companies 

1327
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,800
now that control precisely what 
our kids are being taught, 

1328
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,080
rather than just, you know, the 
pick of all of humanity where 

1329
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,960
you get all sorts of teachers 
and all sorts of different 

1330
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,600
backgrounds and they get and 
children get access to all these

1331
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,840
different teachers across their 
career in school. 

1332
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,720
I think that paired with the 
fact that I think the human 

1333
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:28,080
resolve, we need to give it more
credit than then maybe you're 

1334
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,480
giving it. 
I really really really think 

1335
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,720
that even in 100 years when we 
have the most unreal AI robots 

1336
00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:35,960
that can be the top 1% and 
everything, we're still just 

1337
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,080
going to want 4 year olds who 
don't understand anything about 

1338
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,000
the world yet in front of 
another flesh person. 

1339
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,200
You know, not an AI person. 
I think, I think we'll always 

1340
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,320
want that. 
I want that want is great. 

1341
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,960
Something happen. 
I, I there are lots of people 

1342
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,440
who didn't want self-service 
checkouts at Tesco because they 

1343
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,680
wanted the human interaction and
going to talk to someone. 

1344
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,120
They didn't want one person in 
charge of 6 checkouts. 

1345
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,200
They wanted one person per 
person so they can talk to them.

1346
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,520
Don't matter what you want 
because at the end of the day 

1347
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,280
it's better for the company, 
it's better for money. 

1348
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,000
You're going to make money. 
We're going to get more people 

1349
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,160
through the door. 
We're going to get more money 

1350
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,360
through the tills if we do it 
this way. 1 is a great thing. 

1351
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,680
I want it to, yeah. 
It's not going to happen. 

1352
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:13,520
Do you know what one situation I
could imagine? 

1353
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,240
I think you probably told me 
this probably where it's come 

1354
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,680
from is firstly bigger class 
sizes. 

1355
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,880
Yeah, because I think that's, 
that's the first easy way to cut

1356
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,960
costs of. 
OK, look, all right, we have 50%

1357
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,880
real teachers, but 50% AI 
teachers and we can. 

1358
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,040
It's happening in America right 
now. 

1359
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,840
There's a school that does that.
We're talking to Lee, Mr P Bet, 

1360
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,880
and he was saying how in America
it has basically like 100 kids 

1361
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,040
in a room being taught something
and then they go off to their 

1362
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,840
one to one individual AI tutor. 
Right. 

1363
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:38,840
It's happening. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's yeah, 

1364
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,720
very similar example I was 
thinking of imagine like a big 

1365
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:44,800
room where it's almost flipped 
like the the teacher is the AI 

1366
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,200
robot that's basically just sort
of delivering facts. 

1367
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,040
It's not really doing the 
empathy thing very even if it's 

1368
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,160
really good at it, it's not 
actually we're not saying it's 

1369
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,240
going to provide the human 
touch. 

1370
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,240
And then the teaching assistants
are basically just some adults 

1371
00:55:55,240 --> 00:55:57,960
dotted around who can do that 
human to human interaction that 

1372
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,160
I don't think we'll ever, ever, 
ever not need. 

1373
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,120
I don't think we'll ever get to 
a point where we don't actually 

1374
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,000
want or need that as a society, 
no matter the cost. 

1375
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,280
But I can't imagine cutting 
costs of OK, yeah, but the the 

1376
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,400
one at the front delivering the 
knowledge is like that that can 

1377
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:10,800
be a robot. 
And there's just a few adults 

1378
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,120
around, just totally different 
roles. 

1379
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:13,320
It's not even teaching 
assistants anymore. 

1380
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,800
It's just the human to human 
connection people. 

1381
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,760
I don't actually disagree of 
anything you're saying. 

1382
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,520
I just, I'm just saying I don't 
think that will happen. 

1383
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:26,480
Like like I'm it's almost as if 
the two, the two like parts 

1384
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,840
we're having here are. 
But I think this is important 

1385
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,040
and we should still have that 
thing. 

1386
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,640
And I'm kind of saying, yeah, 
but we won't like I don't, I 

1387
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,000
don't disagree with you. 
I don't disagree with you at 

1388
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,880
all. 
I just don't think it will 

1389
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,960
happen. 
Is it better to have one to one 

1390
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,920
scanners at Tesco so you can 
talk to someone as you go for 

1391
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:43,800
it? 
I've got a problem with this. 

1392
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,360
I can talk to you right away. 
It's more immediate. 

1393
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,600
Is that better for the consumer?
Yes. 

1394
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,000
Is it better for the shareholder
of the company new because they 

1395
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,440
can make more money doing 
something else? 

1396
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,840
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
The big tech giants will be a 

1397
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,200
conglomerate. 
Everything will go through them.

1398
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,920
They will take over education as
well as everything else they're 

1399
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,480
taking over. 
And they will cut, cut, cut, cut

1400
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:04,560
because only be a few of them 
left. 

1401
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,600
They will take everything. 
It won't be a good thing, but it

1402
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,600
will happen. 
And that that would give it 30 

1403
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,880
years. 
Society will look like nothing 

1404
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,480
you have ever seen before. 
And we're going to have to 

1405
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,600
relearn everything, which is 
what we started off with. 

1406
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:20,760
The conversation with Hannah 
Frye. 

1407
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,840
I'm not saying that it's 
necessarily a good thing. 

1408
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,280
I'm just saying it's a thing. 
I mean, yeah, we'll have to 

1409
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,360
agree to disagree a little bit. 
I don't equally disagree. 

1410
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:30,680
I think that's probably what's 
going to happen. 

1411
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,720
But I like to think that. 
I like to think that human 

1412
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,720
resolve will come through a 
little bit stronger and we'll no

1413
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,200
matter how good AI is not 
replaced, just even if it's just

1414
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,000
a tiny bit plus a tiny bit of 
what teachers bring. 

1415
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,440
Still, now we've got people 
saying never use a screen ever. 

1416
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,680
We're like, Oh my. 
God, yeah, exactly right, Yeah. 

1417
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:49,800
I. 
Wonder how those people are 

1418
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,760
going to feel when they when 
they realise that kids teachers 

1419
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,880
an AI robot with a massive 
screen on its head. 

1420
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,000
Those screens, you say? 
No technology you. 

1421
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,240
Know what happened will be 
something some other crazy tech 

1422
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,280
development will happen in the 
next 10 years that will just be 

1423
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,280
wildly different again in the 
same way AI disrupted 

1424
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:09,600
everything. 
And it'll be something we can't 

1425
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,400
even comprehend right now. 
And it'll be like, no, it was 

1426
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,320
never going to be AI robots. 
It's going to be this other 

1427
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,560
insane, crazy, futuristic thing.
Joe, we should do at some point 

1428
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,680
in the next year, release a 
podcast episode that is holy AI 

1429
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,160
and just see who notices. 
See who notices. 

1430
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:25,560
Yeah. 
And it'd be crazy, wouldn't it, 

1431
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,800
if it was this one. 
Bye. 

1432
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:28,720
See ya.