Usually we start the podcast off as some kind of joke or a little
skit that we put together. But we thought this week after
reading, what was just horrifying news story that this
really deserves to be spoke about in its own, right?
And it was the story of Ruth Perry.
She was a head teacher, who worked at a primary school and
tragically. She took her own life and more,
and more light has been shed on what happened and essentially,
her school had been inspected by ofsted, and she's been passed
down the Judgment. That her school was was
inadequate. And that's the language that is
used by enough said rating and in the interim period from her
receiving that judgment to. When the report would be
published this tragic event happened and I think what we
need to do is just give her the respect.
She deserves and really shed a light on what is a profession
that is steeped in these horrible horrible pressures it
is absolutely Dreadful news and I think it really has put ofsted
in the spotlight right now and it's brought something really
important in teaching to the Forefront.
Everyone's mind, which is well-being.
It's something we've talked about a little bit before in a
previous episode because the end of the day working in schools
can be incredibly incredibly stressful.
So if you are having a hard time at school, visit education
support dot org.uk for some tips and support or they've even got
a helpline that you can use as well.
Hello everyone. Welcome back to another episode
of teach steep. Repeat, my name is Dylan and my
name is Hayden. Thank you so much for tuning in
to episode 8. I can't believe we're this far
in already. We're absolutely loving it and I
must say, Dylan, I'm feeling really good.
Oh yeah. Because we are booming.
We have we are getting so many new listeners and our podcast.
We've got people from all over the country.
People are house like your house.
Like, you know, everyone's listening a whole to households
up you're saying well, You know, what's really interesting is we
do have the numbers. We do have an app, so it tells
us all the statistics and stuff and jokes aside is really
exciting for us because we wanted to this for a long time
and we're getting close to 100 unique listeners every week
already, which is just crazy. Can you imagine?
I know, we live in the world of millions of views on Tick-Tock
videos and stuff, but can you just imagine 100 people walking
around just to listen to us? Chat rubbish?
Like honestly, I can't believe it is so exciting.
That's 100 customers, Dylan, 100,000 Running joke there, if
you don't get it, go back and listen, just think of all the
merchandise, we can sell them. I can think of tops of underst
written across it and inflatable dolphin that we just sell.
But it's been sold half deflated already, of course because yeah,
you know. Yeah.
And if this is the first podcast listening to, I completely
understand how you have no idea what we're talking about.
So do go back and watch them. But Hayden, great, great note to
start. I'll absolutely love that
because we are really excited. I'm going to keep doing it.
We're going to keep doing this and you guys are the Ones who
drive this forward. You're doing this for and your
stories and you writing in to us.
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Even if it's just to say hello, we want to chat to you.
We want to know you are audience and we also want that endorphin
rush when you share one of our reels.
So if you can share one of my recent Instagram, if you can
spread the word of the podcast to your friends, that would
Absolutely amazing for us and get Hayden.
Guess what? The last thing I'm going to ask
for is because I'm a bit obsessive it, right?
I'll go on, go on a rating on Spotify, please, because we are
going up and up and up. We've got a bunch of followers,
but our rating number is less than number of followers.
We've got so, I know you're out there guys.
Just click that five-star, it helps us so much, we really
appreciate it. Listen right, we want that
organic growth. So every single week we're going
to tell you, to go and share our reels and give us a rating or,
right? It's all about the organic
growth. Anyway, Should we move on?
You're gonna completely organic from the goodness of your own
heart? And from the goodness of me
constantly telling you what to do.
So come on in Hayden. I suppose this is the time where
you have to tell me all about your we can't wait.
Come on laughing. Well listen right.
There's a bit of a throwback to last week, you'll know if you
watch any of our reals some of them.
You can see that I'm wearing that beautiful necklace of
beans. Well, I was, I was I'll keep my
neck warm. All right, I got a bit of
Whiplash from playing squash anyway.
It got Wes you and actually around.
So you didn't see this, you didn't know what happened.
I just took myself off to minor injuries because my necklace,
really, really hurting you didn't.
It hurts so much like to the point where all people other
people were like, maybe you should go and get it checked
out. So, it wasn't just me, it wasn't
just me. I was, I wouldn't have got.
All right, I'm just gonna put it out, but I went there because I
would have gone, but I did go. Oh yeah.
Cause you know, people convinced me to go but I also, okay, fair
enough, red. So I assume you got there, you
got Scene and then they kind of put something in place.
Your horrific neck injury or, you know, they just laughed you
off with Justin. All right, you know, it might be
one of those two options. It doesn't matter does it
because he's poor, but it's just checking that I'm.
All right. Okay.
And it just happens to be that I am all right?
And yes they did laugh it off and tell me to get some
painkillers. If I sat there for three hours
could have just gone to the shop and got yourself three hours,
telling you. Listen, these guys are under
immense stress, Hayden. They're striking because of
horrific working conditions and pay and they're just stretched
to the Limit because people go into them to see them for a bit
of a sore neck. It did feel a bit bad.
I did actually feel bad. I was like, oh God, I am that
guy, I am, that person when I got there, I remember I message
you actually after about three hours of sitting around saying,
hey, I've seen this whole room turn around like there's not a
single person that's in this waiting room, that was here,
when I got here and you said to me, you're like probably means
it's quite a low priority. Then I was like, I want to be
angry at you, and I was like, oh man, he's right, I've clearly
shouldn't be here. There's people walking in with a
thumb half all Ling off and there and your they're going to
pipe my necks a bit. So let me in please.
I think my legs broken, literally while some texting you
on my phone looking down. Yeah, yeah.
My necks broken. I was stupid.
Well, sounds like a great use of the NHS is time.
Thank you for your service and I know that's actually fine.
Well, something did happen to school as well.
Actually I'm going to tell you about just a quick.
Again a bit of a throwback here. It was quite funny.
Made me laugh. A new and a new member joined my
master class this week. Hey up too often.
But yeah and a new be a newbie, join me.
And obviously, they came into the other children immediately,
you know what, I'm going to ask the player right at the start of
the lesson. He's either.
Can we play by that? Come with Bebo, darts or can we?
Can? We pay shootout?
Which they're doing and I see she said she sat down little bit
confused. And she said, what's, what's the
blow dryer? And then before I get to answer,
she says she assumes, you know, wrongfully makes an assumption
here, that this is a normal type of game.
She says is it that one where you just kind of go head-to-head
in the person that gets it wrong sits down?
And I was like, no, no no, no no.
Proceeded to explain her. This insane game.
We play in math. You're there.
Just shaking your head. No, no, I put in your jacket on
explore Jackson and I darling handing her, the elephant is put
on ahead. No, no, this is don't know what
the other kids already put on their differently.
Is ready to play. You've got the zebra, the
cheater the Jag. Yeah.
Oh sorry. Yeah, he go, let's go.
Yeah. So that was quite fun.
It's enjoyable explaining the game to a new person.
So yeah that's that's the highlights of my week anyway.
What about you? Anything interesting, yeah.
I mean, the that one thing happened this week, and I know
every single teacher can relate to this, because there is just
something, isn't there about finding a treat or a stash of
food or something? Just to keep you going when the
job is just absolutely making you.
So tired, you finish the day and I was talking, we went down, I
went down to your five, went down to have a chat.
It was for an actual work reason but they had a box of biscuits
on the side. So obviously I'm edging towards
them as well. I've just got this me just
slowly agent. Are you AFI not bad?
Fake. Your fingers just like, you
know? Like like the hand of Wednesday.
The handles like a vanilla. Yeah.
Oh yeah, my day was fine. You know, I'm the worst with
small talk. My day was good.
Yeah. Lovely.
Oh screams is it over? And then and then and then they
offer you can I have 100. Yeah.
Thank you brilliant. Yeah.
I'll take one of those lovely. I've been good.
Go on then the classic. And so then obviously we got
chatting even more. As you know, chatting away
genuinely got into a conversation.
But ate like three or four in the process as well because, you
know, if you're gonna have a conversation for that long in a
school, where time is. So, so valuable, you want a few
biscuits as well. Yeah.
But anyway, the best part came when they went to put the
biscuits away, funnily enough, you know, obviously, normally
the worst time when they put the biscuits are late.
Nope, because they open this cupboard at a stash crisps and
the best thing. So Chris chocolate more
biscuits. And even at the back, you know,
I'm like my drink Hayden. I like to constantly be guzzling
on water gardening on So I'm always thirsty the back of the
cupboard. I honestly I kid you not a two
and a half liter bottle of lemonade.
It's like, okay, cool went to the kitchen, came back with an
empty glass straight away. I just, I would honestly say
that they're eating lemonade scoffing, some foxes biscuits,
they've gone, they've gone back into their classroom tomorrow, I
stood on my own in the shed area, literally just having my
own little snack party. So that was a good hard life but
I do know I love how much like you're the only person I know
actually, I'm sure there are others.
I'm sure I'm the weirdo here. The, you love drink so much.
Like a good drink to you. Is like almost equal.
I feel like it's like a good snack close to me.
There's just, there's no comparison.
I don't care. I'll just drink water all day
but a chocolate treat or yeah. But you're weird.
You drink so much liquid in the day.
I don't understand how this this would be interesting because
number one apparently it's a huge sign of diabetes.
So I should probably go to the doctor but the second thing is
minor injuries and my neck hurts, and I'm thirsty all the
time. The other thing is that, I'd be
really interested to hear from people then about whether they
are interested at all in what they drink.
Or is it just water? Because I forced my eyes, I
drink lots of water during the day because it's there, I'll
drink it. I'm not drinking Coke and one of
the children, anything like that.
But yeah, I do wonder. Where did most people fall?
Do they do they like a good drink?
Does it make them excited when they get a quality drink in the
fridge? And I'll, yeah, banging known
alcoholic like just just a nice drink.
That's not water or do they just not care.
They'll just consume whatever's in front of them.
You know, we really tackle the big issues on this podcast.
So if you want to let us know, what's your favorite drink
today? Oh my God.
Can I just have just remembered something that happened last
week? Is it your expense?
Obviously in it's about you drinking.
So we went out for lunch last week, listeners.
We went out for lunch. All right.
Dillon myself and our partners and but something really funny.
Happened related to Dylan's strange liquid that you drink so
much stuff. It's ridiculous.
Right? Can I really very quickly Just
I've got no idea where this is going, so I'm just going to see,
will do. You'll hear the story on your
Billet? Oh God.
Okay, you've exposed me. All right, so we finished.
Our lunch is the context. Okay.
We finished our last a drink, there we go.
Okay. Hey, we'd already had a drink
with our lunch. Now, most people, I would say,
when you get like a full-size drink that tends to do you for
the whole meal, right? Unless you have out for like
having wine or beer and stuff like that, it's different just
it's just like soft drinks. Okay, so we finished our meal
and we didn't get pudding, but Dylan was like, Might be nice.
I'm gonna get a hot chocolate. I'll sink and fair enough.
That's like your pudding is another drink, but, whatever,
you know, you've just drunk a liter of, like Pepsi but line.
And then when these, when he, when he gave his order, it was
like, well, actually, and he grabbed it grabbed.
The the waitress back said, as she can, I have a Coke as well.
And so, he said, well, we'll have a Coke as well because he's
embarrassed, that the fact that he was the only person ordering
two drinks, and then then a lady came over the drinks and put
down the hot chocolate. If I didn't and then look Todd.
Mostly naturally around the table for okay?
Who's having that the Coke or whatever it was.
And we all quick to jump on. So, yeah.
Oh, that's also his as well. Shit.
See was so embarrassed, but you can't drink a lot cause I don't
get embarrassed easily, but the idea of this way, is woman
bringing a drinks order over and it's all for me, exclusive you
all finish. There was, there's nothing on
your plate. You literally sat there and
watch me drink hot chocolate while sipping on a Pepsi.
But yeah, let's say what it was. Pepsi Max maximum taste maximum
sugar so it works. I suppose you would want more of
you maximum flavor. Well, the thing is about this,
the stash in year 5. This is where it leads into a
really big moment for a podcast Hayden.
This is a historic moment and you know why?
No, we're about to our first ever shout out.
Okay, so this week, yeah, this week we were talking to people
about what they do, whilst they listen to the podcast.
You got loads of Answers, you know, the classic ones driving
doing the shopping. Those loads different people
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By the way, can find her Instagram and let us know share
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Anyway, we got into one where we found out.
We have an avid listener her name's Sandy, hey, Sandy, and
she listens often while stirring her ironing.
So, I know, you might be very Right now and a bit shocked that
you've got a nice shout out for my podcast, just be careful.
Don't burn that shirt, pick it up and we just want to say thank
you for this. Nice, appreciate you and your
time classics. That was she like old sanity
always ironing. Always, I'm always on.
Is this classic? That's literally classic sounds
but yeah, thank you. And if you ever want anyone have
a shout-out on this podcast, that goes to about 100 people,
which were very proud of having one's a shout.
Please, just let us know. And we'll be On it.
One other thing, Hayden this week that I did.
I just keep my eye on it and I know we like to get political
sometimes. I don't want to just drag
everyone down and with us. Yeah, baby, I don't wanna drag
everyone down with me whilst I get political stuff, but I just
wanted to mention obviously in the week as well.
Boris Johnson, if you've not watched this Boris Johnson, he's
gone in front of a committee and they're basically trying to find
out if he lied to Parliament. And it's a really big deal of
you like a parliament. Yeah, I'm not sure we need a
little microphone committee to find that one out.
But So he's actually sat in front of this committee, right?
It's a bunch of politicians from his party from the conservative
party, Labour SMP, and they're questioning him on whether he
lied. Because he said, in Houses of
Parliament that no rules were broken and guidance was followed
at all times. Obviously, the sucre report came
out and the Met police had their investigation and found them
guilty, and he got a fixed penalty charge.
Notice I just beg you guys just to go and watch it because it is
the ultimate example in the class.
Asik politician, barefaced lying.
And, and people just kind of be like, okay, cool, because the
best part of it was they literally show what he said to
him on a screen, right? So he stood there, he sat there,
sorry, watching himself, say the guidance and the rules were
followed at all times on this big TV, right in this committee
and then immediately, they show a picture of him.
Draw the pictures of him holding Glass glasses up with like real
claims improve and to have broken the rules.
Yeah yeah where he got a penalty charge notice and he had people
in the room. Not so Distancing whatsoever,
right? Yeah.
And he he literally he staring at the picture of this of these
people stood next to each other with a table, full of wine and
beer, right? They say to him.
So basically how do you explain this?
Then if you weren't socially and he's genuine answer.
He says, he just shows. We were following the guidelines
that that was his. We are following the guidelines.
It a picture. Oh, I hope I'm not doing it.
And they said, well, here are the guidelines and they read the
guidelines to him. Stay to M plus apart Old Times
where you can. If you can't one meter plus with
necessary, you know, Provisions in place where that's a mask or
maybe. Like, if you're sat at a desk,
maybe those plastic, you know, dividers down the side so that
you're not left breathing on people and ask yourself.
Does everyone at this meeting or this workplace?
Have to be here. Could they be at home?
Or could this meeting or thing that's going on for your
business. Not happen at all and you still
get on with your work, right? And it's so clear that this is
just a get together a social, they're having a drink.
They're drinking wine, not working.
They having a drink and he just he just goes.
Yes there was there was we work, we had all the provisions in
place obviously it's a small place, we have to be crammed
together, but we had all the provisions in, place, like
plastic dividers and all this. Not, and then the guy that she
says, there's no plastic dividers are, there's none in
this picture. There's none in this.
That you're staring at and he just goes, yes.
Well you know we did this, we did that, we did everything
else, he just lies, just denying the picture completely and it
comes down to these two things for Boris Johnson, right?
One of two things have happened. He either knew the rules and he
lied. Yeah.
Or he doesn't know his own rules, and he genuinely thought
he wasn't breaking eyes, and he's the most incompetent prime
minister. That's everything.
I suppose. It's a double negative right
beside Boris. Yeah.
Which one you're going to Go for it because it's just mad and
I'll just like to write every now and then I just find it.
So like I was thinking about how that is quite relatable to
teaching, right but end and that, that sort of behavior of
just bare face lying because it's just generally something
you only do when you're sort of like, below the age of 10
honestly. It just is is like your kids
learn to lie and then they tend to learn when you're a bit older
but that doesn't really work. Like people just see through it
and then your reputation goes down here and actually people
don't like you as much, like that's just how it works and
it's just mentors me to Yeah, that's why that's politicians
tactics. Is it to do what that to do all
the children do my class when they've been lately done?
Something you've caught them red-handed and they go.
No, I didn't like what you did because I literally saw you 3
seconds ago. Do it.
So turn don't say you didn't because that's just gonna make
me annoyed and he, they just get way of it, though.
But they always do, and I think they've learned that it's like,
the whole strategy of like, it is blatantly a strategy.
I don't need anyone to tell me. This is a thing to have worked
this out, was like the most basic level of inference ever
that, that if politicians will, just they never say sorry.
They've clearly worked out that if you You never ever, ever,
ever admit to doing something wrong that.
There is a net gain to that. Of course, a lot of people see
right through it, but clearly more than fifty percent, don't,
obviously wouldn't do it. And it's just I hate all these
stupid tactics because it's like, it's just Child's Play and
it but it works on a mass scale. Apparently this kind of happened
in the committee, very briefly. Last thing I will say about it
was one of the people interviewing him and asking him
questions basically said there's quite a few of your supporters
who have been working really hard in the last few weeks to
completely discredit this committee.
Basically saying A lefty coup to try and kick Boris out basically
so that if they do find that he was actually in the wrong.
What could happen is you could be kicked out of the comments.
He could be like literally not allowed to be an MP anymore.
It's very serious from his career because that's all he
cares about. So the guy said, this has been
happening. Can you say right now that you
accept that we will, we will be fair whatever judgment we come
out as basically saying can you tell us one that these people
are wrong to be doing this to be to be discrediting this before.
It's even Started, but to he said, you kind of want The Best
of Both Worlds. Because these people, your
supporters are setting up so that if they find you guilty,
then the whole committee is, is just fast.
It's a lefty cool. They're just trying to get rid
of him, but if the committee find him not guilty suddenly,
the committee's word is acceptable and is like,
absolutely fun, completely vindicates him and it was just
such a good question and all he did was just ignore it and he
was just like, look, I've said why I think that this committee
has to be really Marshall and I hope they will be really
impartial. And I look forward to you
finding out that that I was in fact, not breaking the rules and
not misleading Parliament. And I hope that's the conclusion
that you come to. And it's like cool, but you're
going to accept that. We might go against what you
think, and still be fair. And he just literally goes.
I don't quite I don't quite like that wedding.
You've put there. But what I will say is that I'm
absolutely sure that once you've read all the evidence and you
read read, where do I put forward?
You will find me and exonerate me of everything.
So you just just didn't answer the question at all.
Pathetic. That's all I can say on that.
Right, let's dive straight into them.
You seen the title of this podcast is what we want to
really talk about this week. And it's all about it, all,
stemmed, rather from a telegraph headline that we saw and the
headline was simply teachers negotiate for more, pay for Less
work and it really kind of just rather's up than the hater when
we saw that. Because it's the whole idea of
the lazy teachers to are stereotype and how much work the
teachers actually do, and all of those classic things that we'll
get into in a second. What really annoyed me was, I
went to click on the article to read it because you know, I'm
not ashamed. You know, to say that I will
read anything from any newspaper because I'm just interested to
see what the points of view are. I might not necessarily agree
with them but I find it interesting.
Sometimes to look at the counter argument, even if just to kind
of show up what I think my opinion, but it was behind a pay
wall and I thought, this is just, this is classic amount of
people that will see this, but won't want to put the
subscription to read the Times every month.
But I've seen this headline, and it just perpetuates those myths,
and it got a bit Raw. Add up.
Didn't it him? Yeah big time because it is a
it's a it's a classic stereotype.
It's been around for as long as I remember.
That's for sure. Even I started teaching it was
this whole idea of cool 13 weeks holiday called lazy bunch and
you know also I've always been I haha.
Yeah it's funny but deep down you know you do the job for a
few years you like us. Not that's not true at all like
that. It doesn't work like this
whatsoever and I know we've got a few examples of when we have
you know how how different jobs and different careers have
incredibly different timetables doesn't make you lazier based on
the amount of You have in a row, you know.
Yeah, absolutely. And you know, we've had jobs,
we've got, you know, husbands are people, we work with
Partners who might go away for six months in a row and then be
off for six months in a row. That's, that's half, but they go
away, they stay away. That's a big commitment away
from family. There's no right or wrong way to
do your job. There's no one way in which the
hours are distributed and something about teaching that I
want to get into today is just to explain to everyone.
This is how much work that we actually do more.
Not, I'm not looking for sympathy.
I'm not looking to say we're better than anyone else.
This is just how it actually is broken down because there's a
fundamental disconnect I find between the general Public's
idea of what a teacher does, based on our contract, based on
our holidays, based on that I can imagine.
If you're a parent that annoyance of, I've got keep
these kids occupied for six weeks now.
Like, it seems like a long stretch, doesn't it?
But with what we actually do put into the job and you're
absolutely right Hayden 13 weeks off a year.
I mean, we do get 13 weeks off. It's correct.
It's that classic thing of you're Wrong.
But context is so key. When was the last time Hayden,
you did in a 93 gone to work at 3:09.
So that's something that happens is a teacher.
I mean, it doesn't ever happen, does it?
That's the thing people often say.
Are, you know, you just worked nine till 3:30, just getting a
bit before the kids leave. Just after, it's not, it's not
reality. There might be one teacher in
this country who manages to do that plays in the blood
teachers, all, but there, but the chances are that doesn't
happen anywhere for anyone. I don't know any school now that
starts at 9:00 I don't know any school that actually starts at
nine where children come through and enter the building at 9:00.
It has creeped back actually hasn't it.
You're right because it different used to be a thing
that nine was kind of the Standard Time.
If anything, like 9:10 they've caught last night sometimes but
you're dead, you're right. It really has creeped back.
I find that most of my friends now.
I like all my kids, you know, the kids coming. 88, 45 or 8:30
or whatever. Yeah, that's an interesting
point. So, I just want to dive into
this and give the context for people because it's something
we've mentioned before in the podcast.
And we said jokingly, well, what a whole podcast was this and we
actually are putting a whole session.
Section of our podcast Rubber and it is directed time.
So Hayden, could you just explain to everyone what they're
at? The time is then I'll come in
with the details, the final stuff.
Yeah, so really, really in a nutshell, right?
We have to have something called directed time and our job
because we have a wider framework called Teaching
Standards. And there are basically
essentially lots of roles we have to complete as teachers,
but it's hard to put a time frame on everything.
So what we've come up, what the system has come up with is
something called directed hours or directed time where the
school is allowed to say, For this amount of hours a year
which is obviously broken down into per week.
Typically we can tell you exactly what to do in that time.
But outside of that time you do things as and when you need to
to meet those, those teacher standards.
Yeah. So directed time is broken down
to 1265 hours over the year and that is over 39 weeks.
So that's 195 days. So 39 weeks in the year.
That's why we got our time off from the 13 weeks.
Five of those days are inset days where we expected to go and
do training. But what's really interesting is
comparing this time. So if you look at 1265 hours, if
you compare that to the amount of hours, someone does in a
general full-time job with, let's say four weeks holiday,
they're looking at much closer to 1800 hours and how many hours
a week is that on? So that's on 38 hours a week.
Yeah, for 48 weeks that's considering you get four weeks
holiday paid. You know you're looking at 24
hours of work during that year, okay?
So a standard full-time contract, some of 37 and a half
summer 38, it's just roughly around there.
So there's a huge disconnect there and you can see where
these stereotypes come from. That is two thirds of the hours
that teachers have in their contract.
But I want to play a little game of you Hayden right now because
you're literally a teacher as we all know.
And we did that PP a skit, the start of an episode previously
about all the things teachers have to do.
So I want to highlight to everyone these Five hours, I
want you to tell me Hayden, the things that you believe are
included in this directed time as our contract States and then
we'll talk about what's not included and how actually that's
going to make up the difference. So I knew this was coming up and
I purposely avoided looking up anything to do with director
time, basically and I thought it'd be more fun to just guess.
Obviously, in outside of I Derek to time we have this kind of
caveat of you. Also have to get lots of these
other jobs done and it's all kind of included in the salary
that we paid. So it's kind of hard to to say
that we have this, we only pay for those directed hours, right?
But it's really strange, isn't it?
Before you start guessing how we have a contract, which says x
amount of hours, and then, it just kind of completely ignores
that by saying, but you have to get everything else done.
Yeah, I know. Well, when there's no point
having this number of hours is there because that's not the
job. It's almost almost an admission
of by the way, these jobs you can actually can't get done in
these hours that we're saying a direct.
Yeah. But we're just going to just
going to leave this random number anyway.
We could increase it but no. So I think because of that with
that in mind Obviously they're going to be jobs that don't fit
into it. Come on.
SO number one thing, you can get a full house here.
Come on, Arkansas. I can duplicate number one
teaching. It's a contact time of the
Judgment including all of those times like in the mornings and
when you're dismissing them or whatever you know when you're
not teaching but you need to be with them.
Yeah. I contact time right.
Yeah. Just contact time I think there
has to be there has to be something to do with planning.
I know that's going to be a funny one PPA we try that and I
bet it covers things like marking and assessments that To
do it properly, welcomes all. Well, we're going to come into
that in much more detail later. It's there, but it's not really
enough, but keep going. Okay, that's interesting.
Is it takes a lot of time to mock tests and things.
Yeah, I reckon parents evening. That's gotta be Mac me is in
there but yeah, it started reports report writing.
No. Oh really, I really think that
almost in there. Not, not directly in directed
time. Oh, that's interesting.
I this thought I was given. Yeah.
No, not in the list on any you my fraid.
So unless Got their information wrong.
It's not actually directly in that time.
Lot of schools give time for it, which is very good and grateful,
but it's not in directed time. I'm going to presume.
I don't know if this is the right sort of thing is, like,
break duties, lunch duties. Is that a thing that had been
done Exercise? I'm so any duty is indirect to
time, okay? But not lunch.
Lunch is one hour where it technically, it's not on our
contract. We're not paid.
Of course, teachers always take the full hour and just chill and
relax. Don't know how them?
Yeah, and don't do any work. Definitely, definitely.
That's true. Don't get me started.
Technically, Early lunch hour, not at all.
In director time, cannot be directed during that time,
cannot be told to do something or X, Y Zed, that is
interesting. And we'll talk more about it
later. But anyway, I'm trying think
what else might be interested time?
You've pretty much got them. All, there's only one.
One last thing and I'm in my list are thing about something
happens every week. We always it meetings, meetings,
exactly yeah. Any meetings after school.
So professional development training.
And if you have a group meeting and stuff, you can't be directed
to do that. If unless it comes out of your
director time, of course. So there's there's lots in
there, right? There's lots in there, but
nowhere near what? The job entails.
So, the whole point of this kind of exercise, hate is just to
show that. Yes, the bear number of hours in
our contract is much less than what you say.
The average worker might do in a year, but but but but if you add
up a generic timetable, let's say from 8:30, to let's say 3:30
because you have to dismiss children as well, and that's
part of it. Erected time you see what the
children if you add up those hours of just being in school,
not counting lunch hour, but from When the Children walk in
the door. So when you have this Le
contacts on, at the end of the day, more contact time and the
meeting. So we add on an extra hour a
week and another arrow week, let's say for CPD, let's just
say that let's add that in there for good measure because usually
a couple hours a week where you directed to do meetings and CPD.
If you add up all of those hours together, you get to about Fifty
two hundred hours below contact time, but then you've got to add
in what we said. Parents evenings community
events, open evenings, all those things that kind of happen
throughout the year, right? That gets you pretty much to our
contact time to our director time story.
So, the teaching the delivery of the teaching, the meetings,
you've got to go to anything your director to do in your time
in school. Gets you to the directed Taco.
Okay, your turn. So basically the A time that
were given only just covers like that they'll, you know, like the
bare necessity of a job, like they actually being with the
kids. So other than the PPA that we
get, which we've already jokes about, which is, you know, about
two hours a week all of the planning and a like extra
assessment. You do any marking have to do,
which is obviously a ridiculous job.
That's not socially included know, and think of it this way,
right? That, that was it. 1200 hours of
contact Time. Vast majorities teaching, right
those lessons have to be made. Not just that that curated by us
and I just want to break down planning because again, people
might think oh you can just grab planning from online but it's
just not true. You've got to adapt it to your
class. You've got to build it from
scratch most of the time, if your school's embarking on a new
curriculum, that's a huge lot of work load that's going to be put
onto to plan in your own time. Maths English.
All the afternoon lessons. You've got to interpret a
curriculum. Read a curriculum.
Know what? You've got to deliver you to
your children. Prepare the teaching slides,
prepare the tasks. That's just too.
Be able to deliver it in the first place, which is all we're
getting paid for in our contract, the preparation
Hayden. When was the last time?
I said it earlier, you spent a lunchtime.
Just having your lunch when it's not part of director time.
So we can add this onto the list.
What do teachers spend? Most their lunch time doing
honestly? And I really, really truly think
I'm not exaggerating here. I think I genuinely speak for
every single teacher in this country I would say, the average
teacher spends at least 50% of their lunch hour preparing.
Fold are afternoon lessons because guess what afternoon
lessons these days are like 2 hours long in total in the
average school, they don't just magically happen.
You need to have your resources ready to keep children
entertained and learning for two hours.
It takes time, and that's for a normal lesson.
Now, this is where my gears really get ground.
Because when you're getting ground here, son, so it's when
we have Have lessons which are amazing.
But I think is I love these lessons and I'm not taking away
from doing these. I think there's a great in the
best experiences but art lessons, DT lessons, cooking
lessons. If you do that sort of thing
they they take honestly. Usually all of your lunch hour
and probably a bit of time in the morning or desperate help
from another adult because you realize you haven't an hour
isn't enough time to prep, all the stuff that the resources
they need. So yeah.
That was my little rant, but lunch hour the fact that that's
not paid, which I didn't know. By the way, I genuinely.
Thought that was just a paid out of our day is, is I'm just
thinking, now, over the eight years, how many hours of Free
Labor? I have given in my lunch time
and it's definitely normal expected.
By the way, I've also been asked to do things in that time.
Many many, a times, can you undo this as first aid?
Can you go ahead with this? He comes out.
Can you help me prep? This, could you go to meet that
confirming that parent? Like, I didn't even think
anything of it, I just do those things because I thought it was
my job, but I'm not paid. No, genuine eat.
It is not part of director time. So, and here's the thing, just
again, going into that Clause that's in our contract.
There is just a professional standard that they just tag into
the contract so that they get away with this.
You have to put in the additional amount of time, not
specified. It just says adequate to do the
job. So everything else that's just
expected. But not in directed time, just
has to be done and it's written there in your contract.
It makes it an exponential makes an infinite contract.
It in any other job. If you have to stay late until
9:00, you have to still not less a nice parents evening, like
Park director time, but let's just say you have to have
meetings after. Or you run over to 6 p.m. you'd
put a form in for overtime, that that can't happen for.
There's no such thing as over time because it's just cool.
Was it part of the job? You've got to do?
Obviously I wouldn't be doing it cool though.
You've already been paid for it then and I just don't get it.
There's no incentive, there's no incentive there.
Like, why am I going to work till 6:00 every day?
If it's the same, as we work until 4:30 and I get the job
done, still it is no professional kind of respect, in
terms of our time is teachers. I actually really deep in
thought now because you said something interesting.
I don't I've just never thought about this.
He's right, you said like the average job, let's say you work
in. Was it?
48 weeks a year, you said 38 hours a week and you said it
came out to something, I'm going to round it like 1800 hours.
It was around that kind of. Yeah, it was, it was basically.
It was basically very, very similar to if you add all our
extra things together it comes out to what about 1800 is that?
There's a standard full-time job.
Yeah. Okay, cool.
So but I'd directed hours were 1265 ish.
Something like that? Yes.
Yeah. And so there is so I see Kind of
I'm having a thought now about like, how I do understand that
then we are like technically those directed hours are
actually a lot less than the average job.
So it does kind of make sense that we should do things outside
of those hours. But what I'm struggling to
understand is one, what is the average amount of time?
Teachers are really doing them because we don't seem to have
actual figures on it, you know? I mean, it's clearly way more
than this what this amount and to why isn't there an actual
cap? I don't why.
Why isn't there an actual? Okay.
Yeah we expect this is a minimum but also this is a maximum
because, you know, well-being is important.
I've just really confused as to why that hasn't been put in
place other than not being. So I'm genuinely I'm genuinely
so glad you asked because I ran a more simplified version of.
It was just me saying because I'm aware.
There's lots of numbers been banded about that the kind of
summary of what we've said. So far is yes.
Our contract is much less. Yes, we get 13 weeks off but
it's so intense. During term time that we work
such long days and don't Really stop that.
I honestly don't start. We eat for 20 minutes maybe and
then in our break time we're prepping something and I
lunchtime were prepping something after school was sat
down with marking straight away. It's so intense.
So, I just thought, okay, we've broken down the hours that
technically we do, right? But I just thought to myself.
Let's do a really simplified version of this calculation of
just taking your average teacher from the time, they walk in the
door at school to the time they walk out.
Okay. And I think it's really fair to
say, I know me personally the this isn't this isn't
necessarily what I do. You because I've kind of gotten
to habit of coming into school slightly later because stuff
might be prepped and then I might stay later some days.
It's just it varies for everyone.
But I think a really fair average for a teacher getting in
school at 7:30 and leaving school at 5:00.
A very, very Standard time. I'd say, I think to get to get
your preparation done in the morning.
And then also, after school, to get all of your marketing done
because let's not forget, you might have 90 books to Mark
every single day I'm on. And some of those days would
include meetings and things as well, or we adding that on top.
Yeah. No, no.
So, Saying five is a really fair like under estimate of, you
know, that's an average time you might leave because there will
be days, we'll leave at 5:30 5:45, they'll be some days where
you might be able to leave at 4:30.
But I think a fair average is five o'clock.
I think that's really important as well because I just I don't
want to come across like, we're exaggerating and make it all
look as teachers we do so much. I think it's really important
the listeners understand that, that is a very modest.
I think, average of What teachers do because I know that
there have been many years in my career that I did considerably
longer days and that. And also like I said years other
years where My work days were completely different to that but
that's a good average. Yes sir.
That's the point I don't exactly right.
What you just said you did. We're not saying oh well life so
hard. We're just trying to get people
to understand the actual hours and the work.
We do whom who don't know and aren't even horrible about it,
they just unaware, they just don't quite get it, they don't
see it. So yeah, 7:30 till 5:00 that's
nine and a half hours, right? What I am going to do and I'm
being perfectly transparent. Here is I'm just counting the
lunch hour because I promise you like you said 99% of teachers.
More than half their lunchtime going for it.
Ok, so let's call it nine and a half hours and we'll take a bit
back because most teachers work longer than these hours every
day. So let's just call it nine and a
half hours out of your home. When you get to school and you
leave every single day, that's 47 hours and a half every week.
So think of a standard full-time job, just under 40, we're
working just under 50, it's just way more intense.
Okay? That by the way is from getting
into school to leaving school. So if we extrapolate that out
for 39 weeks because obviously, we don't work for E 2 weeks.
We work for 39 weeks. Yeah.
And we then multiply that out. We get to the magic number 1850
and if we compare that to the standard full-time job of 38
hours a week for 48 weeks, that's 1830 roughly.
So they're very very close, they're the same, it's just that
we're working more intensely for six weeks.
Then we got a whole week off more intensity for six weeks.
Then we might get six weeks off and it goes for the year, okay?
But you may have noticed something about my calculations.
I've dived was about to Painting because I think I know you're
going to say, obviously, that the burning thing here is and I
know teachers at home will be like you've not included this
huge part of the job, which is every weekend in term time.
Like I try to be really good at a hard time.
I'm not even going to, this is another level loads of teachers.
I know most teachers that I know work so much over half turn
brakes as well. I'm not going to close that.
But honestly, weekends every teacher puts in work that we
can, whether it's for hours on a Sunday morning where it's all
day Saturday. Whether it's a bitter cup of our
Sunday night, you can't, you just cannot plan a week of
lessons inside your two hours of PPA with the other 65 jobs that
you have to do in that two hours.
It's not possible, but if you're weakened has to go to it.
So the fact that you haven't included that in your kind of
total there of 1800 hours just shows that that is a very very
modest number and it's almost definitely more than that.
What I really want to just drive home now and thank you so much
for listening to us but this long because we are really
passionate about just showing Information.
Because it's just not understood.
And I think the point to summarize, what we're saying is
just the act of going to school teaching, delivering lessons
doing everything involved in our day.
And going home is already a full-time job across the whole
year. It's just more intense.
We also then have this expectation, built into our
contract to do things outside of that, which happens at our
weekends in term time, the ride is wild, there are business
owners out there who say they work 80 hours a week.
More power to you. Unbelievable.
So, hard-working deserve everything, you get, we're not
comparing. We're not saying, oh, I'll be
the best or oh, okay, so hard done by.
No, we get a decent wage, you know, we want to keep up with
inflation. But we are aware that people
work a lot more than us and actually end up getting paid
less as well. It's not a comparison.
It's just information and hopefully, you know, a little
bit more now about the actual workload as a teacher.
And if you look at the title of our podcast, how much the
teachers actually work, well, what Are they than well
hopefully the answer that question and the answer is we
have no idea but somewhere around 1800 to 7,000 hours a
year. We've just spent half an hour
explaining something and to are not answer the question.
Yeah I think I think what the bit that we've answered his
teachers work, a normal amount if not more, simple.
As that, just condensed across the year.
Bish bash, Bosh. Now we're all informed can move
on All right, I've got a quick one for you.
Hey them, a little story that got sent in to me by one of my
friends who listen to the podcast and I'm going to frame
this as a game, okay? Okay, so I'm going to read you a
word and way to tell me what this word means, okay?
Because we all know you're you're brilliant and you know
I'm picking root words and stuff.
The word is I'm going to take the word first.
Give me a force. The word is the room.
Vrroom, vrroom. I thought you're gonna embarrass
me. I don't know.
Should I know what this word is? Am I supposed to know?
He's up? Eat enemies.
Not heard of the ride but room. No.
Is it, is it something to do for room?
But I don't know, I feel like an idiot.
Now, right, let me read you a sentence and we can what we can
do, Hayden, we can read Around the word, okay?
I can wait around the word, ready?
Yeah, I found him dozing comfortably by the barroom
stove. Of the old dilapidated Tavern.
So a color, some sort of them comfortably by the barroom
stove, or Warm Spice. This is so this what exactly
what you're doing right now. Yeah, is what my friend was
days? Have watts per room?
I don't understand what the room is barroom.
Like be a one word and he said, he went to Google and you're
such a room. Ho, it's It's a room where you
can get drinks, that sounds like a fantastic.
I still didn't click, if not click at all.
So I read in the next patient. Wait a minute.
That's exactly what I did with under.
Tell your friend. He's very under thinking this.
Yeah, that's funny. See, it was really funny, by the
way, what was really funny about this was?
I just kept reading, cuz he sent me the paragraph and it goes on
to explain that this bloke. You find is a bald man.
I was like, it's in the room. It's so is understand.
Us is a link back to me. Everything comes back.
So on the topic of, you know, me being a fool, I'm going to drag
you into this now because I've actually got a story, I
Confessions of a teacher and the teacher happens to be me and
kind of you because you're involved in this story.
Just don't know what it is. Okay, I'm looking forward to
this. Remember.
Okay, so I remember this earlier right at it just I just like
creasing up, you know what you do and you just remember
something random and it is a memory from maybe second year of
teaching perhaps like well you know we all been would have been
my third year your second year and we worked at the same school
and both of us I'm going to confess this right now because
I'm not afraid. I think a lot of other people
will share this. We hate doing displays.
Oh, don't get me, honestly, lick that.
Let's look back to direct the time.
Shall we should have mentioned this?
Because, because depending on the school year, in displays may
be the bane of your life, or they may be something that's
just kind of quite casual and you just update them every now
and then but displays for non teachers, are those things in
the classrooms with this stupid borders?
They look the same. Since about nineteen sixty, the
color backgrounds and put stuff on the display.
Is and they look good. No one looks at them but they
look good. They make the classroom that
bright anyway. Then I quickly discovered that
that we absolutely hate doing that job is it's like this
honest on top of all the other jobs we have to do this.
It's the yeah it's like a little pile.
I've got I've got an option here.
I can either sit and mark the 60 books that I need to Mark every
day or I could go and update that display in a corridor that
three people. Look at every mmmm, which one
should I do? So one year did And I, you know,
being rebellious after making our city stickers as well, that
you hear from our kind of our podcast episodes, we just
thought it would be funny. A fun game to see how long leave
this one particular backing up on this display and it was it
wasn't just any old back. It wasn't just like a yellow
color or something, it wasn't underwater theme.
So how many topics across the year?
Can we somehow make some tenuous lead to an underwater background
theme? So that we never I have to
change it because we really got me bothered.
Well yeah, I remember this because it started off strong.
Right water cycle. Yes.
A big ocean, nice one. But we also did Egypt, and I
remember thinking, oh, River Nile.
And we also did living organisms and food chains.
Like cool. What's the food chain?
But you did go buy into the woods.
I'm sure it fell down when we had to do a topic on like
volcanoes and earthquakes and stuff.
And I memorize being like tsunamis.
Yes natural disaster. It was like, it was tectonic
plates, wasn't it? So it did link.
Yeah, but our main focus was not inhabited like half a lesson on
tsunamis cool. So now, he's a doll.
Wait, let's get up and we kept it up there for a staggering.
It was more than a year. Actually, we definitely more
than a year. We did a whole year and then we
just kind of continue to use it for a bit longer and the joke
sort of run out eventually when someone was like, yeah you going
to change? That's this place I guess.
Tell you what those it really didn't it just show that no one
of our whole year. No one noticed not a single
child or adult in our school remotely noticed I commented on
it, just highlighting the enormous waste of time.
It would have been to change every two months.
Yeah. It's just it's just look I know
that it's lovely. Like I like this plane
children's work actually. That's one thing I do like doing
because it can become like a bit of a prize and a bit of a you
know ambition for them to get their work on the wall and
stuff. But I don't even do that as much
as I used to because honestly truly Lee when I'm in the
classroom I'm just focused on delivering that lesson and
delivering it as best I can for the children and they get the
support they can in front of them, do you know?
I mean it's lovely and as some classrooms genuinely I are
completely get that they look unreal and they're really nice
places to be in but it just doesn't always actually directly
linked to their learning and their progress.
And I think we're one of the worst professions in the world
for doing stuff because it's what we do, you know, rather
than because it's, you know, clinically proven or toxin
there's a Line is take box and again, right?
So I I'm really curious to know that about the people listening,
particularly, obviously if you're working in a school, what
you think about this? Because I realized a couple of
years, I guess into my career, that this tick boxing exercise
of having displays which was just really standard practice.
I didn't really question it before.
Then I was like, yeah, of course you do you have to have
displays, you have to, you know, make the children engage with
these displays in the classroom show.
A bit of their work have really fun displays as well to aren't?
They work. Just things to get them engaged.
And I realized after a couple of years that it absolutely should
just be a preference because I think I personally think that
displays are just a tool that you may or may not remotely use.
And because I know some teachers who use a displays religiously
and they're really effective, they have working walls that
they change all the time. They display is like another
whiteboard to them and that's the way they use it and I know
and I'm like that's you know, always amazed by that.
But I feel like that what Happens.
What if it gets extrapolated from that is then.
Okay, cool air has to do that now and it's like our but that's
not my teaching style. Everyone's got to so well, no,
because I will do. I will get that learning across.
I just happen to have put that time and effort into this other
thing by the way. And I'm going to use that as my
teaching tool and I'm going to display these things, a
different way. So I don't know if people agree
of that, I've done. If I'm just like convincing
myself because I don't want to do an extra job.
Now, I think the thing that listen look that's part of it
right, when we've got a list of 15 jobs, we have to prioritize
and and it in In terms of my own teaching style and your teaching
style, that's never going to be top of the list is it?
But what might be top of the list is going to get a new blow
dart from the blow dart shot because you really good option
to display the kids. New luck mr.
Stevens. Hello mr.
Stephens, can you show me? Where?
All of your key vocab is for the children.
Should look at. No, sorry, exactly a jungle
display left but I tell you what, they back to the serious
point, I You a lot of things like like you know, where people
do have that key vocab and working walls and stuff, like
they display key stuff for their learning.
I'd rather put down a little sheet and they can stay elastic
in there because a flap. It's like cool.
Let's look, let's use our little like key knowledge vocab she or
something. That just happens to be my, kind
of way of sticking key things that they have access to all the
time. Another teachers, do it a
different way and I'm just sort of like, can we, can we just not
make this crazy expectation of spending hours and hours and
hours and hours, doing displays because it just looks nice from
one perspective. Of basically an outsider looking
in. It doesn't have any meaning any
contacts unless you really delve deep into.
Okay. How is it use though?
Well, if you're a teacher, let us know what you think.
And if you're not, thank you for listening to them.
Yeah, I hope you're not alone without.
Yeah, I would make it as nice a there.
No, they do, they do fascinate me.
I find these people. Amazing who I've had.
People message me saying I didn't know that about teaching
and I love the idea of non-teachers just just enjoying
this podcast because it's just you know, as to talking about
our experiences, Having a bit of fun.
I still don't get it by the way. So if you're listening you're
not a teacher, don't understand why here.
I really, really appreciate it but just I do understand where
here Dylan because they're here to share our reals, they're here
to go to Instagram and help us promote organic growth as we've
been saying organic organic growth right from me pestering
you constantly. So thank you guys.
I love you. But Dylan, we're going to move
on to a toxic story. Just the one this week for
school so you can get your tea stuck into this.
I know you like to get. Is it going to get me angry?
Oh yeah, you're gonna get nice and riled.
Okay. And actually, it thinks really
well Hearts back to our conversation earlier and you'll
see why, okay? So someone recently wrote on a
forum talking about PPA, which is something we've obviously
mentioned. And essentially, their problem
was this, they haven't had PPA in three months.
And PPA is that planning preparation assessment time for
those listening to you. Today, it is a right for
teachers to have 10% of their time a week as BPA, they haven't
had PPA for three months with no particular, good excuses.
Other then we just haven't got the this off cover to get you
out of class. No, no, I'm next, no, not not
remotely acceptable, visit. Well, they're asking what the
legal requirement was. So that was that kind of
question to this forum that it's, you know, I I'm going to
get annoyed again. Hey, I thought we'd come down
I'm going to get riled up again because it's not even a
question. Like, how could you hurt?
How could you have a kind of speak?
Would you have the brass tacks to say now to like, what do you
mean now? It's not, it's not an option.
It's not something we do to be kind.
It's built in because guess what, like we just spent half an
hour telling you all the actual job itself doesn't fit into our
time and we get a measly two hours as a token.
You know, oh, look, maybe you could sort out your medium term
plan and go off at home and still do all your planning.
And you know, even get in the token like in terms of the
Garrity, you just get that. You get it and if you ever don't
get it, then, you know, between you and your people in Charger
SRT, you sought out, payback time because it's not even a
question. Like this guy's going to come,
you know, they're going to end up having to do report soon.
There's parents evening coming up when and I have to be prepped
for that, do you think we just turn up at parents evening and
just gonna die? Yeah, you're right.
When two reports get written just by the magic fairy while
some teaching maths. There's no there isn't Santa is
no question. They need that time and within
that sort of form is really interesting to us.
Kind of reading it or people's feedback and things like that
that they sort of went on to say that you know that essentially
they're having to get the unions involved because the school's
not doing anything and they're facing like disciplinary actions
for not getting stuff done. Like the cheek of facing
disciplinary action from the school for not getting these
extra things. Done the stuff that gets done in
PBA and their point is, but I've not been given any people.
PA. So I'm not just going to do it
even more in my own time. You like, you don't, you said
it's a token amount of time. Anyway, so the least you can do
is give me the. Give a give us that time and so
I'm I'm with that person. I stand with that person.
Don't do it. Don't do it, make it a standard,
make a point because actually no, we, you know, we do a lot.
We do a lot of free stuff. You don't need to do this extra
two hours a week, do you know, you are entitled to it.
And by the way, that's not just two hours, you know, contact
time, that's two hours of teaching, two hours of planning,
two hours of marking, You know, all compounds show, uh, that,
that same, that's it. When we have PPA, you know, the
whole point is that, you know, we kind of have a bit more time
after because we've not got afternoon lesson to Mark, we've
got maps in English, the plan and Mark, but you know, you're
saving on all of those things, it kind of compounds and it's
not even a question, you know. It's that classic thing we said
earlier, when we had the podcast about toxic schools, when people
at the top, just lie or just pretend something's, okay?
Because they're in a position of power and it's not, it's not a,
it's not a game. You don't get to choose.
When you're in charge of someone, it's a really high
pressure job. It's a really, really high
pressure job. But you cannot just pick and
choose what your staff are entitled to that.
That's just, not the way it goes.
I think they're gonna be in trouble.
I'll say that, I don't think the school's got a leg to stand on
if they get the uni involves unions involved as a really good
one. I know it's an annoying one but
it proper proper. Good story of just.
Wow, you know, you have to hear that every now and then to
remember there are some schools where this really does happen,
you know, count ourselves lucky foot.
Keep away are. All right.
Then to finish off couple of stories from the classroom.
Like I said earlier, guys, you make this podcast so if you
follow us on Instagram, send us a message.
We will reply. Send us an email with your
stories because they really do just make this podcast so good
when we get to read these stories out to you guys.
So a couple of short ones this week Hayden.
Let me start off with one of them and I want to give a kind
of like a bit of context here to everyone who's listening, there
are making these puppets, basically it's to do with
showing right because one of the things we do in our curriculum
is He's sewing DT, they're making these puppets.
The demon walked in afterwards and said, we're having a look at
what the children have made and picking them up.
And I look Dreadful and hello, my good.
Look at this one, this is unreal.
Look at that. This one's didn't even look like
a person, this is crazy. And then this teacher who wrote
into a said that, they picked up another one from the table and I
said, oh my God, this is the worst one that was look at this
one. Which what?
Who did that? Was this person listening and
then the The class time around. I said Ah that's my one I made
before the lesson. No it was the teachers Dreadful.
Oh my God, I do so read. That was me.
Just again the context of today. So like we work so hard for our
lunch hour, this teacher. It's a free lunch hour.
Making this up. It, I'm gonna model it to the
children. Anyway, out that No, this is the
fact they've been going through the board just like, like just
to pick up and go. Why is that?
Why is this was for that. I think it was very much just
like it's lovely, it's Hampshire.
It's right now, it's joking. And the worst thing is if
they're listening to this podcast, they just found out.
They didn't even get paid for that lunch work on.
Wow, how to rub salt in the wound?
What's your second story? I've got a quick one here again.
This is from a person who worked in a school so they were a
governor and a TA and they worked in a school in various
roles. You know, there's classic people
who again, just make the school run.
Just do all these jobs that need to get done anyway.
So I'm going to read it as she sent this in to us.
I went into school once with my hair done and a few kids said
they really liked it. That's always nice.
Isn't it when you walk in and you kind of dance my kids, do
it. Whenever I trim my beard, I all
are cut. Bend down and write down draft
on your chest. I was surprised today.
Looking good, that's medically. All right, come on.
Yeah, okay so I use Head and Shoulders on my head and my
shoulders. So anyway getting that base, in
the kids is nice and it because you know, 95% of children there
will just be lovely. Yeah, but this one kid just said
I look like a man this one was a man so she got I got okay?
Thank you kids, lovely nicest thing.
Is this a storm with their brand new haircuts?
Walking in any way this? This is this teacher was on
playground Duty. And that day the same kid had
been saying something to other children and other girl about
her hair being Tatty. So it's kids getting off.
Someone about are to go around and open at all.
There's and the girl obviously got really upset, who got told
that her Fringe was Tatty and she came over to me, crying the
teacher. And I just said to her tell her
she needs a French cup. So clearly It's still feeling,
you know, anger at the fact, this child had come in and
dissed her hair. She said to the kid, don't I'll
just go and tell her she needs her Fringe.
Carl, no, not trying to Defuse The Situation already just told
child to go. She's just using Charla's our
vessel. Basically to impart her own
anger and oh got go tennis L fridge.
Cut anyway, the child literally did that then she kind of very
quickly realized wants to try to run away, maybe I shouldn't have
done that so she does know. No more than tell the kid that I
said, she needs a friend. Carlos Miss said, were you need
your friends cut off the other kid?
Fold her arms and just glared at the at me.
So just connectivity across the playground.
I was waiting to be called in the next day, but it never
happened. All that happened.
From that day was The Fringe kid just put Clips in from that day.
No gave her a complex. Well, that's funny, just went
home. Went home took Mom, Mom can, can
you buy me some hair clips, please?
Because out why? It turns out that I've got a
team, an Fringe, excuse me around.
All right insults. Oh I thought that was brilliant.
Just that, you know, letting them a step every now and then
because you know, children can say stuff to you just have to
brush it off, they're just children.
But sometimes they say something like you've got, is it been
snowy? Got dandruff on you and five
years. Like, well, if Hayden said that
to me, I'd be coming right back with ritalin.
Yeah, one of my favorite in. Insults about me because like I
said you know we try to teach the kids humility we laugh at
jokes as long as I don't get inappropriate, I think in it.
Don't cross a line one of my favorite insult because usually
it's just something about me being bald.
It's not that funny. I just uh, pretend to laugh.
Oh yeah, I heard that joke. Many times best one to me.
Was there looking at me? Intently, it's happened twice,
actually funny enough. So intently now, like, where
does your forehead stop then? And then did this action, right?
Even if you're not watching a real, you can imagine this well,
Everything, they're on their forehead, like just stop their
nose and they kind of moved upwards to show the sort of
normal stretch your forehead. But then obviously, I don't have
any hair, so they just carried on.
And then they went all the way down their back down to their
feet up around the front of their body and went back to
their nose ago. But uh That's so funny.
I couldn't even pretend to be annoyed at the fact that you
insulted. Me terribly, my forehead being
the entire circumference of my body.
Yeah, crack me up. Turns out I'm 100% for Eddie.
Yeah, they do just cut through. Sometimes.
I've had a similar one, but, but my favorite one ever, was just a
really blunt one. It was just really fun and I
just didn't know what to say. I just didn't know what to say,
it's all this child. Again, I was helping this child
and I could kind of just tell immediately that, you know, you
can just tell. They're just looking at you,
right? Not listening to me, helping
them at all. Just like, kind of Zone down, is
she staring? At me, I again, not my chest.
This time I face staring at my face and I don't touch him say
so, do you understand if she just went?
Why do you have spots? And I do you say to that.
I just know I just know a part of you was actually offended
that that I just know it. Well it's not you know one
someone just to say that you like and so my response, my
response. My response was literally just,
oh, I don't know. Once on tear rolling down your
eye but another another one right of.
Do you think about kids picking out the or spots?
Like just so beautiful but I didn't realize it.
I was anyone that was sure. Understand this if you don't
wear shirts very often, you might not.
But obviously we were sure pretty much every day and
obviously there's buttons going down and there's gaps in between
the buttons, right? So, you know, I'm 30 now.
All right, I'm a little bit heavier than I was when I
started my teaching career. I got a bit more on belly, all
right and but you haven't changed it.
You haven't changed your shirt, 77 years old.
So I remember one time I did, I just didn't realize but one of
the buttons had come undone like kind of near my belly button.
So a bit of my belly was just it was just more.
Or visit was saying and I was just bending over just trying to
help a kid and I was just staring at me with disgust and
then just like the pointed. Just like that is just pointed
at me and I look down. And I immediately felt really
embarrassed. I don't know why.
It was like, it's one button undone and it's slightly, you
can slightly see. My belly hair was just so
embarrassed and that kid, what did they didn't go?
Almost seems just so, you know, when your button is undone, you
might, you know, that in the nice about I like I'd say to you
on your buttons under they just uh, Like pretty and now I feel
self-conscious. Thank you.
I was, I was really enjoying that story and I truly believed
it. Until you said, if I had my
button undone, you would just go hotel.
If that's true. I would not know you would get
your phone out film. Yeah.
Okay. So we are at the end of this
week's podcast, I like by the way Hayden.
How you know, it kind of evolved.
I think one episode we said extended episode and it was like
an hour and 15 and now it's just every episode is an extended
episode. But again, you guys seemed to
enjoy it. You guys seem to like it and
jokes aside, I know we joke, a customers is to give us a
reviews and stuff but genuinely you really motivate us to
actually come back every week and keep doing this because we
absolutely love this. We'd be doing this to two
people. And it was just our parents
were, would have been really coming here?
We stand to it yet. Literally be listening to again
after, but the fact that so many of you are getting in touch of
us are following us are giving us the ratings are following and
I, of course, sharing the reels. I will keep saying it, but but
it's just, it's so nice. And I want to say thank you to
you guys for doing that because it's given us a little boost.
Doesn't Hayden. Yeah, nice.
Nice morale boost. Absolutely loving it.
So yeah, massive thank-you from the both of us.
One quick note, those of you who keep texting, Myself and Hayden
every week asking about the pretty stick story.
Mmm, we've got some good news and some bad news, okay?
The good news, is the pretty stick story will be in your ear
holes very soon. Yeah, the bad news is, we don't
know when see you next time.