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Hello everyone. 
Welcome back to another episode 

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of Teach, Sleep, Repeat. 
My name is Dylan. 

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And my name is Hayden. 
Adam feels like forever, so just

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the last two sat here doing. 
This because it has been. 

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Forever it has been. 
What have you been doing? 

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You selfish? 
Man ohh you know, moving house. 

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In house. 
Just kidding, of course I have 

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had a baby, so. 
Oh my God. 

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Stop going on about it. 
Is this what I was like? 

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Is this what I was like when I 
was? 

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With you when I made a joke. 
Ohh look everything you got on 

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there about. 
Rory Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
Couldn't care less. 

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Yeah, Could not care less. 
Nice. 

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Point So that's that's my week 
done. 

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Yeah. 
Anyway, hello listeners. 

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Thank you for being so patient. 
Thank you for listening to our 

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little bite size episodes for 
our amazing interview with Jane 

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Cornstein. 
And I keep getting Constine or 

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Considine right. 
If you're listening, I'm sorry, 

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it's one of them. 
And Heather Wright reading books

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ever, ever. 
Wrong. 

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Good banter. 
Now they're lovely. 

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I'll tell you what, I'm not 
gonna do it right now, but yeah.

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Yeah, this is what I was gonna. 
Say a big thanks because we've 

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received a package today. 
Whoa, Heather from Reading 

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rocks. 
I'm gonna open this a bit later 

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on. 
If you're watching the podcast, 

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we'll do a little Instagram real
opening up the little goodies 

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inside. 
Thank you very much. 

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Heather Brilliant. 
So that's gonna get some 

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engagement. 
Instagram popping off. 

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Still love it? 
Yeah. 

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Go on, talk about. 
You. 

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No, That's all. 
We're making some memes, guys. 

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If you love memes, get onto 
Instagram. 

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We love memes. 
And we finally decided to start 

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making some memes. 
And I can't believe one of the 

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memes. 
It's just this dog doing the 

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most stupid laugh in the world, 
even though all I did was at the

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top. 
Just put when you teach your 

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friends say teachings. 
Easy. 

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And there's a dog going 1.2 
million views. 

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And people like. 
Oh my God the funniest thing 

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I've ever seen, and it is, it 
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Don't, Don't rip the customers. 
No, no, no, no. 

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Customers over 1000. 
Drinking. 

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It's been long enough now that 
when we say customers, people 

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are like why do they keep? 
Calling it kind of, but episode 

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one, I've also had messages 
within the last week or so from 

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three different people who've 
self referenced themselves. 

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As customers, good. 
Well, thank you to our 

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customers. 
Keep listening. 

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You can buy absolutely nothing 
from our merch store that 

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doesn't exist. 
But one day we're going to set 

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up a merch store. 
Like 2 days we'll make 5 sales. 

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And that'll be the end. 
We've got real customers. 

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Anyway, thanks for listening, as
always. 

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Hopefully you're ready for a 
nice little chat. 

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Hayden, we're gonna talk about a
week because I remember when I 

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got to come to the podcast after
Rory was born. 

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It was my time to vent and say 
things that I just wanted to get

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out there. 
So this is your chance, Hayden. 

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How have your last two or three 
weeks? 

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Been I don't think I'm as quite 
as delusional as. 

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You. 
I don't think you are. 

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Either you were you'd like lost.
It I know. 

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Well, here's the thing. 
I did a lot for my partner. 

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So yeah, I find it quite easy. 
I've been sleeping every night. 

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I put earplugs in. 
In fact, I go to next. 

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I go next door most days. 
No, I think I tell you what has 

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been helpful, and I've said it 
before, but we. 

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But listening to your ramblings 
and your experiences did help us

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because it was kind of like, 
well, I can probably skip a few 

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of these. 
Things now on the test animal. 

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Yeah, you're the best animal. 
Maybe not make some of the 

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mistakes you made. 
It would have made him the 

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first. 
I would have made them. 

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I would have made them. 
You know, steak. 

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Yeah. 
Anyway, how's it been now? 

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How, how, How are you feeling? 
Because it's bloody tough, 

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right? 
Ohh mate, it's the first few 

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days I I was like oh this is the
biggest mistake I've ever made 

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in my life during the night 
times because I was like I can't

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I can't sleep in the hospital. 
That was only a fleeting moment 

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of of thought because when I see
her and I'm cutting ohh man, I'm

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so I'm already getting taking 
the Mick out off by my family 

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because I just can't I can't 
leave her alone. 

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I can't stop by picking her up 
and giving her kisses and. 

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Cuddles. 
You thought I was weird saying I

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was gonna be kissing Rory and 
my. 

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Children, I know. 
I was just like, no, no, no, you

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know, I just, I I really didn't 
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stage at all, though. 
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this, but I really, really 
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the weeks leading up to birth 
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I'm sort of putting on this 
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I'm supposed to be nothing but 
this feeling. 

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And I'm not because I'm just 
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going to enjoy it all and I'm 
going to be in that massive 

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statistic of parents who whose 
regret is having kids. 

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But you don't hear about it. 
You don't hear about it. 

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And it's good that even though 
you might have turned the 

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corner, it is good that you talk
about it because there be people

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who are we're leading up 
thinking they can't say that, 

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yeah, hearing hearing at that is
real and it's a it's a 

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legitimate feeling. 
It'll be really good. 

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But so. 
So post now that you've had the 

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experience, have the night times
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Well, they're not as bad as I 
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I thought they were gonna be 
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I think we're in this weird 
routine right now, which can't 

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go on, by the way, the only 
reason this is OK because I'm 

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still on maternity leave. 
So at the moment, Lauren goes to

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bed at like 10, and I'll stay 
with the baby a bit longer 

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because I just to give her some 
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All right? 
Because she's breastfeeding. 

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So it's just giving her a break 
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least, just just getting to 
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So I'll stay with the baby for a
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But she seems to have. 
I mean, it's called the witching

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hour. 
Yeah, It's like an actual 

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phenomenon. 
And it's not an hour either. 

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No, It's like 3-4, three or four
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So every single night so far we 
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night between precisely between 
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That time when you're trying to 
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Sleep when Lauren gets to sleep 
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where I'm really tired now, sort
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I'm like, OK, Lawrence had an 
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the baby. 
Hopefully now she'll sleep for 

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three hours and then Lauren and 
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hours. 
Of sleep. 

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Oh my God, she she's a different
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She wasn't stopped. 
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So all day, like, right now, 
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Super chill. 
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Once she's had a feed, she'll 
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She doesn't care. 
She's cool. 

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And if she's awake, she's just 
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Like, she's just sort of looking
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around. 
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PM, She's like, oh, had a feed. 
There you go. 

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Put you down. 
OK, I'll pick you back up. 

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I'll Rock You. 
There's rocking work. 

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No screaming, screaming, 
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OK, Rocking is not good. 
That's fine. 

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Let's swaddle you up. 
Let's get you wrapped up. 

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Let's get you out. 
Do you like that? 

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She's like, get it off me. 
Pushing her arms out. 

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And I'm like Oh my God, it's 
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don't know what to do. 
And I've seen a video. 

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She is loud. 
She is loud. 

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For a tiny little Princess, she 
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Dream man she can. 
Scream. 

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Dreams. 
But that's that's the bit. 

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That's the bit I'm struggling 
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I'm getting to terms of it now. 
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really, really struggled because
you just feel like a, I mean, I 

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know you had this feeling as 
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failing the kids. 
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Because she was screaming and 
nothing I was doing was 

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consoling her. 
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was like, Oh well, stuffy then 
honestly, it was so pathetic. 

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I was like well. 
Like again, you're getting angry

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over baby. 
I've given you what you want. 

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I've given you I'm. 
Have you said this? 

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Cause I've I've said this to 
Rory multiple times. 

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I like you. 
Get exactly what you want as 

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soon as you want it. 
Every single day. 

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Forever. 
What are you moaning about? 

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What? 
I've said to you Milk. 

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And you've cracked it back out. 
What else? 

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Do you? 
I've wiped the poo off the back 

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of your neck because somehow it 
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Ohh baby, let's talk, let's talk
poo. 

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Let's talk. 
Poo. 

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Let's talk poo for me. 
If you're if you're a bit 

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squeamish or you just don't like
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you got Oh my God, it's just 
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Like And it's just constant, I 
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And with breastfeeding, it's 
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And it's just wet as well. 
It's like it's like brown water 

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comes out of my baby and it 
stinks and I'm like, ohh yay. 

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At least that's not gonna happen
for another 19 minutes, and the 

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amount of times she like, has 
done it immediately after a 

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change. 
They know they. 

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Know they they just. 
Know what's that? 

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What's that? 
Brand new. 

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Yeah. 
OK, yeah. 

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What's that? 
Ohh, I'm putting a nappy on you,

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right? 
Ohh. 

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Better do that now. 
Then it's the time to poo, isn't

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it? 
Shall I poo once you've changed?

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Yes. 
Shall I scream once Mommy's gone

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to bed? 
Yes. 

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Yeah. 
I think you know this. 

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Like, talk about how newborns 
like they can't cognitively, but

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they know what they do. 
Yeah, I think they know exactly 

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what they're. 
Doing. 

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Ohh, it's just a poo smile. 
No, she's smiling at me because 

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she knows what she's doing. 
All right. 

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She knows Wendy smiles are a 
conspiracy. 

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Yeah, that they're not real. 
Don't listen to them. 

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Here's where you get your real 
father and mother news. 

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Yeah, Windy smiles are not real.
But getting used to it though, 

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you know it's not as Again, I 
was quite scared about the whole

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nappy changing thing because I 
just didn't think I'd be one of 

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those people. 
But yeah, you just do it and 

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she's just an extension of you. 
It's weird, isn't it? 

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If it's any consolation, I still
hate getting changed, so few 

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weeks down the road it will be 
exactly. 

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The same at the moment. 
She just doesn't like it, she 

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screamed. 
But I've realised is is just 

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purely if she's remotely cold. 
Yeah, imagine someone taking all

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your clothes off involuntarily 
and like, come on then, let's 

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wipe your I'm gonna hold your 
legs. 

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Up on your arse like you'd be 
like what? 

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This is horrible, horrible 
experience. 

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Only are you touching me? 
My bum, which I hate. 

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You're holding my legs up in the
air and I'm on my neck and I and

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I was fully clothed minute ago. 
Now I'm freezing cold and the 

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pool was warm Warm seat. 
Yeah. 

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Ohh man, but you still talking 
about? 

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Her. 
Jeez. 

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Ohh. 
Do you wanna know? 

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Something No. 
Yeah. 

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No. 
But I will summarise, there's 

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been lots of highs and lows. 
Yeah, like extreme highs, 

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extreme lows. 
I feel like the kind of 

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honeymoon period is wearing off 
a little bit now because I was 

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like super crazy, like euphoric 
in my feelings. 

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So the first thing that. 
Keeps you going, though. 

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Keeps you going. 
Calm down a bit now I'm a bit 

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more like this is my life now, 
This is just this is just my 

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life now. 
So we have nice cuddles in the 

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day and. 
You've made me think because 

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I've got. 
Because I'm not going to lie, I 

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just spoke to someone at work 
who had two sets of twins. 

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Yeah. 
Right. 

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So not only did they have twins 
and I was like how did you do 

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that? 
Two years later fell pregnant 

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again. 
Twins again. 

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And I was I was just talking to 
her like, I I can't fathom doing

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twins once. 
Now I've got Rory never mind 

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then doing twins again. 
And I just said to her, I I just

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because I was knackered. 
I was absolutely knackered. 

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And I remember we speak about 
how I do still think we've got 

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it easier than than the girls 
being at home constantly trying 

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to with a fussy baby. 
Yeah yeah. 

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But I think what I need to 
reflect on now and really make 

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clear to everyone is it doesn't 
mean that our jobs easy like 

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it's if if their jobs 10 out of 
10 hard ours is 9.9. 

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Because going to work and trying
to function without sleep it, it

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just it doesn't work for me it 
doesn't work and I know I'm 

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running at like 40% all the 
time. 

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But I asked her at what point am
I not going to be tired? 

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And she almost she just laughed 
and she went, Nah, that's done 

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now. 
Her reasoning was really funny 

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and I was just taken aback by 
how much it made sense. 

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And I was really sad after 
because she said by the time you

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get over being tired, you've 
either had another one gone 

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through it again, yeah, And then
when they're old enough, 

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eventually you're just old. 
So you're just tired now? 

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And I was like, oh, oh, right. 
So I will never not feel tired 

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again. 
She was like, yeah, basically. 

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Ohh it sucks. 
I see. 

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Ohh, it's objectively terrible 
for my well-being. 

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OK, it's alright. 
Hopefully he becomes some kind 

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of, you know, rich, you know, 
businessman or football player. 

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Because that's the only way it's
gonna be off. 

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Look after you. 
Yeah. 

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The only way it's gonna pay off.
Well. 

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Statistically speaking, yeah, 
37. 

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Sorry Dad, I can't afford the 
£700,000 home because the 

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Boomers have got them. 
But Dad, you're a boomer. 

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Will be the Boomers. 
I love how the idea of Boomer is

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like it's just an old question, 
nothing to do with the. 

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Actual person who's a cured 
wealth. 

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But yeah, it made me think as 
well, because the other night I 

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was so tired in in the night. 
I'm like, I'm a different beast.

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I'm a different beast. 
And I was just knackered like 

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that. 
Rory's fussing with Lauren. 

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She's feeding him, getting him 
down. 

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And I'm half awake. 
And I I just hear him fussing. 

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And that usually means he's in 
his in his crib, wanting to be 

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fed. 
Yeah. 

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OK, wait a minute. 
Here you go. 

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And I just picked up my pillow 
and gave it to Lauren. 

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And there's the baby. 
There you go. 

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There's the baby. 
I was like, what? 

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And I was like baby. 
Take Lauren, take the baby. 

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Laurence holding the baby's 
feeding. 

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And now she's holding the. 
Other one sleep giving him a 

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bellow as if that's helpful as 
well. 

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Ohh, he's fussing. 
Ego take feed the pillow. 

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I love your delusional brain. 
You. 

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I tell you what you reminded me 
because I don't really get that.

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But I did have one thing last 
night I've not even told Lauren 

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yet. 
Yeah, I woke up in a very, very 

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well, those weird states where 
I'm not actually awake. 

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Yeah, yeah, I'm awake enough to 
think I'm awake and. 

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That's so weird mistake. 
Isn't it? 

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It's very bizarre because you 
just hallucinate. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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And I was looking at Laura and I
just remember this, it was 

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really bizarre but didn't freak 
me out at the moment cause I was

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half asleep and I was looking at
Lauren and she just had a giant 

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head that was Rivers head. 
Her face was just Rivers face. 

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And I looked at it for us. 
Solid, solid 10 seconds. 

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Was Lauren's face on Rivers 
smaller? 

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So Lauren was just facing me, 
you know, on the pillow like 

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this. 
And I was looking at her, and 

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she was just riveting but giant.
Just Are you sure it wasn't 

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River just really? 
Close to you. 

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Yeah yeah yeah yeah. 
And and and I didn't freak out 

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my my honest thought train was 
ohh I guess she does look like 

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her. 
It wasn't it was just river. 

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It was her actual face on 
Lauren. 

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Nonsense like the the short hair
and everything. 

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Ohh, she doesn't like mummy. 
OK, I'm going to. 

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Sleep. 
Yeah, I know. 

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I was like, OK, that's fine. 
I accept that. 

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I accept. 
Message was real, like the the 

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shock and horror. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Just last night as well. 
I just remembered something 

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else. 
I had the first Holy Trinity. 

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The Holy Trinity. 
This the sick, the Father, the 

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Ghost. 
I had, I had the the, the Von 

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people at the same time. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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That was funny, actually. 
Maybe laugh. 

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Quite a lot that you or river. 
Yeah, it was actually. 

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Lauren. 
When she was. 

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Stressing, she was right. 
Yeah, I was changing. 

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She was crying as well. 
I guess that's that's yeah. 

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OK, let's change the pose. 
Ohh, we all. 

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Ohh, you bombed as well. 
OK, brilliant. 

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You're covered in. 
Poo. 

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And you've done all that. 
You're crying again. 

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Yes, you're. 
Crying you're crying. 

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Ohh nappies on time to Yep, time
to crap. 

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OK, let's do it again. 
I say on average I get through. 

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Yeah, on average 2 nappies per 
per change. 

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Every time. 
Every time. 

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She always immediately does 
something this I'm going to bed 

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for a second. 
Because. 

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This has boiled my blood because
it's my fault every time. 

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And it happens every freaking 
time. 

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Every time I change her, 
exaggerating every time. 

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Most of the time I change her. 
Keep up the. 

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She wees right. 
Yeah. 

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And it's. 
I get it. 

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I know that's the thing like 
it's the cold and maybe you know

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you're wiping them over the 
weeks and and I'm always ready 

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for it now. 
And I'll I'll have that nappy. 

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I'll read the the new clean one 
there. 

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I'm ready. 
I'm like, come on you, We I'm 

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gonna get this. 
And every time I managed to, I 

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do this and then I sort of pull 
her clothes back because I just 

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kind of folded. 
Right, Yeah. 

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And she's just weed on them 
every time she's managed to get 

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away on them. 
And I'm like, Oh my God, because

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she hates. 
Being Why you putting clothes 

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back before you change the 
nappy. 

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What's going on? 
What do you mean? 

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Is she just completely naked 
when you pull the clothes? 

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Back. 
Well, yeah. 

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So. 
Like unpopular. 

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Up. 
Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah. 

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Half the half. 
The new nappy underneath. 

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So when's the chance to go? 
Home. 

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I don't know. 
That's why I understand it. 

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Because I'm like, surely the new
nappies catching this week. 

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Yeah. 
And then it's clearly just 

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trickling down the back of this 
new right and just about to put 

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a nappy. 
On like wrapped it round and 

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done it. 
Up. 

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No, at this point she's weird. 
Like I'm literally taking the 

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other one away. 
Nah, and she's peed everywhere. 

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So I'm like, ohh quick catch it.
Yeah. 

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And somehow it's gone. 
Quite on her belly. 

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I tried that, yeah. 
She screams so much that I was 

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like, I can never do this to you
again because you will explode. 

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Her head was gonna explode. 
Ohh, so it's been fun. 

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We're working out. 
I have. 

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Really. 
She's she's not cried once or 

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twice when changing her, and 
both times she's been super 

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warm. 
So I was like, clearly she's 

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just she's cold, you know, cold 
baby. 

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Anyway, That's right. 
Yeah, I needed that. 

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OK, nice. 
That nice one. 

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This one. 
Why my week? 

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But it's not really remotely as 
interesting. 

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Ohh, I'm sure it is. 
Yeah, So. 

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Well, I've done Christmas 
decorations in school. 

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You're one of two types of 
teachers, aren't you? 

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I don't know. 
Anyone listening with a teacher 

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could put themselves into one of
two brackets. 

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I did a little vote on Instagram
this week and it's about a 

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cupboard, you know? 
Is your cupboard just a hell 

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hole where you shove everything?
Yeah. 

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Yes. 
Or is it unbelievably, 

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pristinely organised people like
banners and big this is my pen 

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draw and et cetera like that. 
I'm definitely the chaotic 

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person. 
I think you're actually quite 

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good. 
You're probably maybe edging 

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towards chaos. 
Not quite that pristine. 

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I always think of like a 
pristine. 

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Easy. 
Beginning of the year The 

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beginning of the year A. 
Lot of people say that. 

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I'm saying I do one big, big big
big, tidy. 

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Hmm. 
It's already a mess in right 

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now. 
Like, that doesn't even last 

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Christmas for me. 
Anyway, I was asking one of two 

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types of teachers we've got to 
do, and this is really like 

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staple. 
Anyone who's in a primary school

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probably did this. 
You gotta decorate your hoops 

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because your hoop in the hall. 
For us, it's long pieces of 

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ribbon. 
And we had some amazing year 

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four with my parallel teachers. 
They did some beautiful wreaths.

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They looked really pristine all 
around the edge, you know, I'll 

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post a picture. 
My other parallel teacher in 

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your Ford did some snowflakes. 
Beautifully folded and cut out 

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with. 
It just looks fantastic and they

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were kind of hung up in the 
shared area next to each other. 

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I was like, why is it? 
That's beautiful. 

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That's really nice. 
Where's my one? 

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Ohh. 
There it is. 

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The absolutely demented snowmen.
We did snowmen and I honest to 

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God, snowmen are meant to be 
round. 

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Don't you sit circles to cut out
with your 4. 

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Don't do that because they don't
have the dexterity to cut 

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circles out. 
It's basically hexagons. 

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Nominations. 
Complete nonsense. 

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I tried to do in 3D as well. 
So like they fold out and they 

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they that that kind of worked. 
But then I was like OK if 

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they're hanging in the hall the 
back, it's just going to be blue

439
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while they're on card. 
That's going to look rubbish. 

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So what we'll do is I'll double 
up, Every kid can just pair up 

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at the end. 
We'll do them together at the 

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back and then be like 360. 
Yeah. 

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Didn't think that's gonna half 
the amount of decorations I. 

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00:17:08,550 --> 00:17:10,540
Have ohh yeah of. 
Course, so it doesn't remotely 

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fill the line anymore. 
So it's just sporadic, horrible,

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Frosty the snowman. 
Holy hell, half melted really 

447
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heavy. 
You gotta fall the kids head on.

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Assembly look like absolute 
rubbish now. 

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I was like, cool. 
That's teacher B right there. 

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That's A to be, don't know which
one. 

451
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You are, and I'm not even being 
there. 

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I'm teaching my donkeys. 
My donkeys of the year was like.

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Context. 
We can pick whatever we want. 

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He picked a donkey. 
Why would you pick a donkey? 

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Was like the last day to do 
them. 

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I hadn't picked anything. 
So you went on. 

457
00:17:39,530 --> 00:17:42,200
What's the most horribly tricky 
thing to make with LIKE? 

458
00:17:42,210 --> 00:17:43,680
10 year olds. 
I wasn't drinking, mate. 

459
00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:50,120
We made, we made a great card 
and they cut out like a 

460
00:17:50,130 --> 00:17:58,400
trapezium shape. 
The truth that makes me is as 

461
00:17:58,410 --> 00:18:01,290
well like Kyle, but they were 
just so crap. 

462
00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,070
Yeah, because mines like that as
well. 

463
00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,790
So you can tell it's a rubbish 
Christmas decoration because it 

464
00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,540
was just three white circles and
I gave them felt tips. 

465
00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,750
Can you draw the snowman? 
Everyone took the make up 

466
00:18:15,660 --> 00:18:17,230
completely, completely. 
I've not been this. 

467
00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:18,440
Year complete. 
Nonsense Complete. 

468
00:18:18,450 --> 00:18:19,690
Ohh yeah. 
They've done my job. 

469
00:18:19,700 --> 00:18:21,190
Share teacher will have. 
They gone up this. 

470
00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:21,770
Week. 
Done that. 

471
00:18:21,780 --> 00:18:23,400
I don't know what they've done. 
I can't remember what they 

472
00:18:23,410 --> 00:18:24,890
signed up. 
But it's not ours. 

473
00:18:25,060 --> 00:18:26,660
It's all the better for the 
school. 

474
00:18:28,010 --> 00:18:31,600
Think Hayden. 
What we should move on because 

475
00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:35,860
you've had enough out there. 
Someone did supposed with their 

476
00:18:35,870 --> 00:18:37,050
Spotify wrapped. 
Have you seen it? 

477
00:18:37,060 --> 00:18:38,560
Spotify Rap types. 
You see everyone. 

478
00:18:38,610 --> 00:18:40,950
It was really nice to see the 
amount of people who are sending

479
00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,190
us stuff saying thank you for 
being the top podcast. 

480
00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,300
I was like, that's unbelievable.
And there's literally, I can't 

481
00:18:45,310 --> 00:18:48,410
remember the exact number. 
It was over 500 different people

482
00:18:48,420 --> 00:18:50,630
wearing like their top five. 
Or top ten or something. 

483
00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,650
That is unbelievable. 
Like the amount of people just 

484
00:18:52,660 --> 00:18:54,730
listen to us so much. 
Thank you guys, that's nice. 

485
00:18:54,790 --> 00:18:57,870
One of my friends, I will say 
very quickly we've produced 

486
00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,620
2.2000 minutes, Something like 
that, yeah, something like that.

487
00:19:01,660 --> 00:19:04,320
One of my friends sent me his 
and he was in the in the top 

488
00:19:04,330 --> 00:19:07,340
nought .5% of listeners saying 
are you legend, Shout out, big 

489
00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:08,940
shout, James Brown, absolute 
legend. 

490
00:19:09,470 --> 00:19:12,180
But then I looked deeper and 
he'd listened to something like 

491
00:19:12,190 --> 00:19:15,710
2.8000 minutes and I went, 
you've listened. 

492
00:19:15,780 --> 00:19:18,060
You've listened to the 
equivalent of 16 hour long 

493
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:20,200
episodes, something like that, 
yeah. 

494
00:19:20,210 --> 00:19:21,250
And he was like, yeah, listen to
it. 

495
00:19:21,260 --> 00:19:23,790
Twice. 
Yeah, we were like, good one. 

496
00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,060
But then that was we worked out 
and it was like, yeah, I told 

497
00:19:27,070 --> 00:19:29,330
you, didn't it? 
Wow. 

498
00:19:29,460 --> 00:19:33,000
I mean, he actually does, but he
he said he don't know what's 

499
00:19:33,010 --> 00:19:34,490
going. 
On because we picked up his. 

500
00:19:34,500 --> 00:19:35,710
Company. 
I don't know, maybe he's just 

501
00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,590
been sending it to to people, to
customers. 

502
00:19:39,070 --> 00:19:42,260
I got this episode. 
Ohh, I like I like this one. 

503
00:19:42,970 --> 00:19:44,460
I'm really interested in toxic 
skills. 

504
00:19:44,510 --> 00:19:47,190
No, listen. 
Listen to this point at 27 

505
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,340
minutes into episode 40. 
Two, well, quick shout out to 

506
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:50,750
James, actually been helping me 
a lot recently. 

507
00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,620
Yeah, we've been remortgaging. 
Yep, need. 

508
00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:53,980
Financial planning. 
I do need. 

509
00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:55,270
It Do you need financial 
planning? 

510
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:56,530
Yeah, go to Need financial 
planning. 

511
00:19:56,540 --> 00:19:58,100
He's done a fantastic job. 
He's a top. 

512
00:19:58,110 --> 00:19:59,480
Cheers, James. 
Well done, James. 

513
00:19:59,630 --> 00:20:00,680
There you go. 
There you click, mate. 

514
00:20:00,690 --> 00:20:02,320
It's gonna next year. 
Spotify. 

515
00:20:04,110 --> 00:20:06,240
Nought .1%. 
Really weird because look at the

516
00:20:06,250 --> 00:20:09,980
analytics this episode 500 more 
listeners are more imagine. 

517
00:20:10,090 --> 00:20:11,640
Ohh cool. 
Let's pick up James everyday, 

518
00:20:11,650 --> 00:20:14,360
then every episode. 
Sponsored by Need Financial 

519
00:20:14,370 --> 00:20:17,710
Planning. 
All right. 

520
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:18,530
OK. 
We've had a debrief. 

521
00:20:18,540 --> 00:20:21,450
We've had, you know, the first 
half when our parenting podcast,

522
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,370
let's get on to the educational 
stuff here because we did do a 

523
00:20:24,380 --> 00:20:27,410
bite size episode end of last 
week and it was all about things

524
00:20:27,420 --> 00:20:28,730
you can do before you quit 
teaching. 

525
00:20:28,740 --> 00:20:30,550
And I know we always plough in, 
don't we? 

526
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,400
And it feels like we go 
negative, negative, negative. 

527
00:20:32,410 --> 00:20:35,270
But we're still teachers, you 
know, all this, all these things

528
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,080
we talk about. 
There were some really practical

529
00:20:37,090 --> 00:20:39,890
steps we've taken to stay in the
profession because at the end of

530
00:20:39,900 --> 00:20:41,770
the day, we love teaching. 
It's as simple as that. 

531
00:20:41,780 --> 00:20:42,870
We love working with the 
children. 

532
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,390
We love helping them out. 
But this kind of idea that the 

533
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,140
profession this kind of 
sleepwalk into this horrible 

534
00:20:50,150 --> 00:20:54,140
situation where we're losing a 
lot of teachers, people who are 

535
00:20:54,150 --> 00:20:56,600
in the job are more dissatisfied
than ever than are being 

536
00:20:56,610 --> 00:20:59,650
reported, showed that. 
So I thought today what we could

537
00:20:59,660 --> 00:21:02,640
do was kind of lead on from last
time five ways we can stay in 

538
00:21:02,650 --> 00:21:05,000
the job if you haven't listened 
to listen very practical and 

539
00:21:05,010 --> 00:21:07,030
send it to your teacher. 
Friends who have been a bit low 

540
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,850
might help them out a little 
bit, But I wanted to talk now a 

541
00:21:09,860 --> 00:21:12,450
bit more about in our longer 
episode about how the job has 

542
00:21:12,460 --> 00:21:15,960
changed because the well-being 
is on the on the down, OK, 

543
00:21:15,970 --> 00:21:19,600
recruitment on the down and 
people are leaving in droves. 

544
00:21:19,710 --> 00:21:22,880
So something's changed. 
The job is getting more 

545
00:21:22,890 --> 00:21:25,420
different and we're going to 
spend it in half, aren't we? 

546
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:27,860
Had in two different ideas here.
Yeah, we've kind of got this. 

547
00:21:27,930 --> 00:21:29,760
We've thought about what's 
changed and actually there's 

548
00:21:29,770 --> 00:21:32,140
these kind of macro changes. 
Aren't these big changes from 

549
00:21:32,150 --> 00:21:33,960
like over decades really like 
that? 

550
00:21:33,970 --> 00:21:36,020
If you talk to your parents and 
grandparents, they might tell 

551
00:21:36,030 --> 00:21:38,360
you some stories of how what 
education was like then. 

552
00:21:38,450 --> 00:21:43,460
But there's also been a massive 
change since we have joined this

553
00:21:43,470 --> 00:21:45,140
career. 
So we're talking over the last 

554
00:21:45,150 --> 00:21:47,520
decade at the most and that sort
of 8-9 years really. 

555
00:21:47,530 --> 00:21:50,460
And it's been intense of the 
last, I'd say, Since COVID, 

556
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:51,330
yeah. 
And since before. 

557
00:21:51,340 --> 00:21:53,160
I think it's been even more 
intense since then. 

558
00:21:53,230 --> 00:21:55,340
Yeah, since about 2019, Ohh. 
What happened? 

559
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:56,940
Then? 
Let's listen to find out. 

560
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:59,080
Charlie, but realistically, it's
2014. 

561
00:21:59,130 --> 00:22:00,700
It's kind of. 
The the new curriculum. 

562
00:22:00,710 --> 00:22:02,200
That's the new curriculum. 
There was a new national 

563
00:22:02,210 --> 00:22:04,240
curriculum for those that aren't
in education and new national 

564
00:22:04,250 --> 00:22:07,140
curriculum in 2014. 
And there's definitely just been

565
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:09,880
changes culturally and with 
funding and everything. 

566
00:22:09,890 --> 00:22:11,580
We go into those those topics a 
bit more. 

567
00:22:11,630 --> 00:22:15,150
So should we start then just by 
let's underpin this whole 

568
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,640
conversation with a bit of a 
chat about the macro changes. 

569
00:22:17,650 --> 00:22:21,510
What are some of the big things 
that have changed over time in 

570
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,770
education? 
From the teacher's perspective, 

571
00:22:23,780 --> 00:22:25,230
I guess mostly. 
Yeah. 

572
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,710
And I think this is great to 
start off with because like we 

573
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,310
always say, we've got lots of 
listeners and education, lots of

574
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,610
listeners outside. 
We can all attest to this. 

575
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,910
And I think some of the big 
changes in education, I'm 

576
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,250
talking like over 30-40 fifty 
years. 

577
00:22:38,260 --> 00:22:39,990
Have been really positive, yeah,
I'd say. 

578
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,890
Mostly, I think it's been really
good. 

579
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,130
And the biggest thing, I 
suppose, is you talk to teachers

580
00:22:44,140 --> 00:22:45,230
have been doing it the whole 
career. 

581
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,730
They never used to even be a 
curriculum. 

582
00:22:47,220 --> 00:22:50,520
They'd walk in one day. 
But hmm, let's paint some Van 

583
00:22:50,530 --> 00:22:51,660
Gogh sunflowers in the 
afternoon. 

584
00:22:51,670 --> 00:22:54,280
We do a bit of maths in the 
morning and you know, what was 

585
00:22:54,290 --> 00:22:57,470
expected of children was nowhere
near the levels we're talking 

586
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:58,940
today. 
We can have a discussion later 

587
00:22:58,950 --> 00:23:00,820
about whether we expect too much
from children today. 

588
00:23:00,830 --> 00:23:02,780
Yeah. 
But I think having that kind of 

589
00:23:02,860 --> 00:23:05,320
broad and balanced curriculum 
that was consistent across the 

590
00:23:05,330 --> 00:23:08,970
country and levels and and kind 
of benchmarks that we want 

591
00:23:08,980 --> 00:23:11,120
children to get to clearly was a
good. 

592
00:23:11,130 --> 00:23:13,210
Thing I think it was. 
I'm trying to think of the day 

593
00:23:13,220 --> 00:23:15,360
we didn't write it down. 
Was it 99? 

594
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:18,100
I felt like it was it was it? 
Was it? 

595
00:23:18,110 --> 00:23:19,560
Was it late 80s? 
I don't know. 

596
00:23:19,570 --> 00:23:20,880
We're completely making this up.
So let's. 

597
00:23:20,890 --> 00:23:22,120
Not pretend to know. 
I can't remember. 

598
00:23:22,130 --> 00:23:24,600
I just was trying to think of 
was was it when we were at 

599
00:23:24,610 --> 00:23:26,170
primary? 
School before that, I think. 

600
00:23:26,180 --> 00:23:28,720
Yeah, Because if it was I I 
don't remember there being, 

601
00:23:28,730 --> 00:23:30,460
like, feeling like a change, but
yeah. 

602
00:23:30,530 --> 00:23:32,470
Yeah, well, when when primary 
school, there's things like the 

603
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,760
numeracy hour and the literacy 
hour, and that was embedded and 

604
00:23:34,770 --> 00:23:37,130
it was really prescriptive. 
So there was definitely that 

605
00:23:37,140 --> 00:23:40,510
shift from kind of artsy fartsy.
Yeah, primary school. 

606
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,730
Just do what? 
You want life skills, you know, 

607
00:23:42,740 --> 00:23:44,200
talk about things and do 
addition. 

608
00:23:44,210 --> 00:23:46,230
Roman Empire, weren't you? 
Build a Colosseum. 

609
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,000
That'd be nice, wouldn't it? 
Yeah, And then, you know, we'll 

610
00:23:48,010 --> 00:23:50,300
do something else. 
But think that move and that 

611
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:53,200
shift especially at the start 
was only a good thing having 

612
00:23:53,210 --> 00:23:56,770
levels of what we expect 
children to get to and kind of a

613
00:23:56,780 --> 00:23:59,590
balanced even when no matter 
where you are in the country 

614
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:00,650
you've. 
Got to learn this. 

615
00:24:00,660 --> 00:24:04,050
Do you mean a good thing overall
for everyone, or do you mean a 

616
00:24:04,060 --> 00:24:06,100
good thing for the kids? 
Good thing. 

617
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,630
Listen it get it was less 
autonomy to the teacher. 

618
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,860
I'm sure if you're a teacher at 
the time, be really annoying to 

619
00:24:11,870 --> 00:24:13,010
be told. 
Now you've got to plan 

620
00:24:13,020 --> 00:24:15,240
everything from scratch do 
exactly this. 

621
00:24:15,290 --> 00:24:17,540
But I think overall, I think it 
has to be a good thing. 

622
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:21,790
Has to be a good thing that we 
have kind of what's the word? 

623
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,220
I'm looking for expectations and
people will hold you accountable

624
00:24:25,230 --> 00:24:26,720
to it. 
Because depending on what school

625
00:24:26,730 --> 00:24:29,160
you go to, what teach you got, 
I'm sure some children had an 

626
00:24:29,170 --> 00:24:30,730
amazing experience. 
Some children have. 

627
00:24:30,740 --> 00:24:32,520
Had because there just wasn't 
that structure in place. 

628
00:24:32,530 --> 00:24:35,460
It was a bit more potluck, but 
it was different back then I can

629
00:24:35,470 --> 00:24:36,720
imagine. 
Yeah, it was quite annoying 

630
00:24:36,730 --> 00:24:40,410
because when we we've talked 
with people who actually taught 

631
00:24:40,420 --> 00:24:42,270
in that time period, talk at the
end of their careers and I've 

632
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,650
been doing it for 34 years and 
we've heard stories of teachers 

633
00:24:45,660 --> 00:24:46,680
going to the pub at. 
Lunchtime. 

634
00:24:46,690 --> 00:24:48,350
Yeah, I know. 
And I wasn't even really that 

635
00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:49,850
long ago. 
I know teachers now who are, 

636
00:24:49,860 --> 00:24:52,130
who've still got a good, you 
know, 10-15 years left of the 

637
00:24:52,140 --> 00:24:54,020
career who were like, Yep, I 
remember at the start of my 

638
00:24:54,030 --> 00:24:57,550
career, you know, on a Monday, 
when Monday and Wednesday every 

639
00:24:57,620 --> 00:25:01,010
week we'd go down the pub at 
lunchtime for a whole hour and 

640
00:25:01,020 --> 00:25:03,210
we'd have a beer and we'd have, 
you know. 

641
00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:04,900
And I think I don't know about 
you. 

642
00:25:05,740 --> 00:25:07,690
I'm up for a pub visit. 
You know me, Hayden. 

643
00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:09,050
We're always up for going to the
pub. 

644
00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:12,610
I've always felt slightly 
unnerved by that and and this 

645
00:25:12,620 --> 00:25:15,510
idea whenever you say it or like
Ohh then that sound great. 

646
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,290
It down to the pub. 
I've always deep down even if 

647
00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:21,760
I've laughed and agreed, I've 
always thought oh that's not 

648
00:25:21,860 --> 00:25:24,700
quite professional is it? 
That's yeah, that's not that's 

649
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:27,810
not the it's the beer. 
The beer going out food. 

650
00:25:27,820 --> 00:25:29,890
Of course you can. 
The idea of sinking a pint and 

651
00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:31,770
coming back smelling of ale. 
Yeah. 

652
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,970
And teaching the children to me,
that's that's a that's a step 

653
00:25:34,980 --> 00:25:37,140
too far. 
I don't think in in the course 

654
00:25:37,150 --> 00:25:38,760
of your day teaching you should 
be consuming. 

655
00:25:38,770 --> 00:25:40,430
Alcohol. 
No, but I think that I think the

656
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:43,290
mindset of alcohol in our 
country has shifted a lot over 

657
00:25:43,300 --> 00:25:44,970
the years anyway. 
Isn't it used to be a lot more 

658
00:25:44,980 --> 00:25:46,980
just downstream people. 
I mean, people were drinking 

659
00:25:46,990 --> 00:25:48,430
like drive their. 
Car yeah. 

660
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,800
Literally would do that. 
And it was like not even a thing

661
00:25:51,810 --> 00:25:54,060
for quite a long time. 
You know it's mad. 

662
00:25:54,250 --> 00:25:56,920
Definitely, yeah. 
So yeah, I mean, they're, 

663
00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:59,020
they're some of the big changes.
Like culturally what you hear 

664
00:25:59,030 --> 00:26:02,520
about, I suppose the big one, 
you see a lot online. 

665
00:26:02,530 --> 00:26:04,340
And again, I've always thought, 
is this true? 

666
00:26:04,450 --> 00:26:08,340
It clearly is dwindling respect 
of the profession because I 

667
00:26:08,350 --> 00:26:11,050
think if you speak to my parents
or anyone who's over just sat in

668
00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:14,450
generation, the teacher said 
something that was final that 

669
00:26:14,460 --> 00:26:16,850
that was it and it was that. 
That's it I'm afraid. 

670
00:26:16,860 --> 00:26:18,520
Yeah, I'm the teacher side, of 
course. 

671
00:26:18,530 --> 00:26:22,810
Yeah, if the teacher said my kid
has done something, my kids in 

672
00:26:22,820 --> 00:26:24,460
trouble. 
Yeah, but I believe the teacher 

673
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:27,850
that I respect them. 
Thank you, Mr Teacher, Mr 

674
00:26:27,860 --> 00:26:28,510
Teacher. 
Whatever. 

675
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:29,850
Because why on earth would you 
make that up? 

676
00:26:29,860 --> 00:26:31,870
And even if you haven't made-up 
my kids going to take on the 

677
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,680
chin? 
Yeah, because you know, OK, no, 

678
00:26:33,690 --> 00:26:35,150
no, no, listen, don't, don't 
hear it. 

679
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,210
Teachers dealt with it, and this
is the conclusion they've come 

680
00:26:37,220 --> 00:26:38,390
to? 
Yeah, that's the conclusion 

681
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,990
they've come to. 
You're gonna have to learn. 

682
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,400
Sometimes it's not fair, Yeah. 
But most of the time, the 

683
00:26:42,410 --> 00:26:43,740
teacher's not making something. 
Up. 

684
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:44,870
Definitely, definitely change 
now. 

685
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,800
I mean, I made a meme recently. 
Didn't do as well as yours, 

686
00:26:46,810 --> 00:26:49,490
obviously, but you know it was. 
At 1.2 million. 

687
00:26:49,500 --> 00:26:51,800
Views. 
No, it was about 4000 so mine 

688
00:26:51,810 --> 00:26:53,630
was close. 
Yeah, 1.2. 

689
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,070
What's more, 1.2 million? 
Ohh no 1.2 million bit. 

690
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,010
More no, we need a national 
curriculum so that we can both 

691
00:26:58,020 --> 00:26:59,960
do. 
That anyway. 

692
00:26:59,970 --> 00:27:03,320
I mean, the whole point is me 
was about I literally said in 

693
00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:07,210
it, the child has been caught 
shoving glue sticks into someone

694
00:27:07,220 --> 00:27:09,810
else's shoes and then the 
parents like my my kid, would 

695
00:27:09,820 --> 00:27:11,930
never do that. 
My kid told me he didn't. 

696
00:27:11,980 --> 00:27:13,230
Ohh. 
That's fine then. 

697
00:27:13,300 --> 00:27:15,770
Ohh, sorry your kid told your 
kid told you He didn't. 

698
00:27:15,820 --> 00:27:17,780
I must have not seen that. 
Kids don't lie. 

699
00:27:17,790 --> 00:27:19,950
I forget as a teacher when I 
taught 1000 children. 

700
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:20,970
The kids don't. 
Like it's weird. 

701
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,400
And teachers? 
Do teachers do teachers? 

702
00:27:23,410 --> 00:27:24,330
Do. 
What's that? 

703
00:27:24,340 --> 00:27:27,010
You saw him do it. 
You do teachers eyes, they're 

704
00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:27,790
weird. 
They've got these. 

705
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,380
There's something about teachers
eyes. 

706
00:27:29,390 --> 00:27:31,390
They don't see things properly. 
Don't get it. 

707
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,250
I don't get it. 
I think linked to that though. 

708
00:27:34,260 --> 00:27:36,620
The kind of idea of the respect 
of the teacher. 

709
00:27:36,690 --> 00:27:39,240
Yeah, There is something though,
both ways. 

710
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,740
Yeah, because I do think that it
was very militant back then. 

711
00:27:43,250 --> 00:27:45,860
And I don't necessarily think 
it's bad that we shifted from 

712
00:27:45,870 --> 00:27:48,220
complete 100%. 
Oh my gosh, the teacher's word 

713
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:49,240
is final. 
That's the end of it. 

714
00:27:49,250 --> 00:27:51,700
It's awful because I also think 
teachers a lot. 

715
00:27:51,710 --> 00:27:55,680
Back then the attitude was if a 
child couldn't do something, 

716
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,430
this transform. 
Yeah, you're not trying hard 

717
00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:59,450
enough. 
What do you mean you can't? 

718
00:27:59,460 --> 00:28:01,230
What do you mean you can't do 
this math because you're not 

719
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,990
trying hard enough. 
And I'm gonna tell your parents 

720
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,470
you're not trying hard enough in
class. 

721
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,810
And that links in with SN ASD 
autism. 

722
00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:12,920
I think ADHD, I think a lot more
people back in the day. 

723
00:28:12,930 --> 00:28:14,890
When I've been back in the day, 
I'm talking like more than 20 

724
00:28:14,900 --> 00:28:17,450
years ago, I guess. 
Yeah, I think a lot more people 

725
00:28:17,540 --> 00:28:20,690
had a very negative experience 
of school and possibly even 

726
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:22,530
traumatic, you know, to the 
point where people grow up and 

727
00:28:22,540 --> 00:28:25,130
they really, really hate the 
idea of school and then they 

728
00:28:25,140 --> 00:28:27,980
pass that down, that fear and 
that anxiety to their kids. 

729
00:28:28,060 --> 00:28:31,900
They had such a bad time. 
Everyone in the country right 

730
00:28:31,910 --> 00:28:34,690
now, me and you, everyone knows 
of someone in the older 

731
00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:37,360
generations of their family 
talking about having a rubber 

732
00:28:37,370 --> 00:28:39,540
thrown at their head. 
Yeah, talking about being caned 

733
00:28:39,550 --> 00:28:42,290
by the head teacher. 
That stuff doesn't leave you. 

734
00:28:42,340 --> 00:28:45,210
It's unbelievable to think that 
back then that was acceptable. 

735
00:28:45,220 --> 00:28:47,840
And it's another example of how 
the big change in education have

736
00:28:47,850 --> 00:28:51,050
been unbelievably good that we, 
of course, we can't lay our 

737
00:28:51,060 --> 00:28:54,450
hands on children anymore. 
That is unbelievably crazy to me

738
00:28:54,460 --> 00:28:56,650
right now. 
And I don't believe that back 

739
00:28:56,660 --> 00:28:59,030
then there weren't people who 
thought that's wrong. 

740
00:28:59,150 --> 00:29:00,530
Yeah, I know. 
And it's funny because it's the 

741
00:29:00,540 --> 00:29:02,670
irony is like, you know, people 
like my grandad are saying, well

742
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,390
say, I mean he won't actually. 
But people of that kind of age 

743
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,380
will say things like, yeah, I 
remember, you know, I got bored 

744
00:29:07,390 --> 00:29:09,790
rubber throat in my head when I 
was chatting to SO and so it's 

745
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:10,910
good. 
We need to bring this stuff 

746
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:11,420
back. 
Yeah. 

747
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:13,410
And it's sort of like, ohh, 
wasn't a bit traumatising. 

748
00:29:13,420 --> 00:29:15,140
No, it's like, aren't you? 
Aren't you remembering? 

749
00:29:15,150 --> 00:29:16,460
This Are you still talking 
about? 

750
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:18,270
It And you tell me this every 
single year. 

751
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,270
It sounds like it was a bit 
traumatising, actually, and it's

752
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,970
really stuck with you. 
And that's not good. 

753
00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:24,530
Like, you shouldn't really 
remember being told off. 

754
00:29:24,540 --> 00:29:27,430
You should just be. 
And just because you remember, 

755
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,670
it seems like it's a good. 
Thing. 

756
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,460
Yeah, it's like. 
Ohh, I didn't do it. 

757
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:32,000
Yeah, because you were hit in 
the head. 

758
00:29:32,060 --> 00:29:34,240
Yeah, and you were lucky enough 
to be alright afterwards. 

759
00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:36,030
Some people would have been 
horribly traumatised and it 

760
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,760
genuinely, genuinely would have 
like set them up for a very 

761
00:29:38,770 --> 00:29:41,530
different life after that 
because they've been literally 

762
00:29:41,540 --> 00:29:44,040
physically abused at school. 
Like, that's not cool. 

763
00:29:44,150 --> 00:29:46,720
No, it's unbelievable. 
And I think that the last macro 

764
00:29:46,730 --> 00:29:48,360
change that we want to talk 
about before we get into our 

765
00:29:48,370 --> 00:29:51,460
experience and again, we hear 
this all the time. 

766
00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:54,790
There was no such thing as 
autism back in my day. 

767
00:29:54,890 --> 00:29:56,450
Well, these kids just badly 
behaved. 

768
00:29:56,460 --> 00:29:59,980
There's should be ADHD. 
Just making excuses for these 

769
00:29:59,990 --> 00:30:01,250
kids. 
Yes, there was. 

770
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,210
Yeah. 
And those kids were left behind.

771
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,870
Yeah. 
And those kids weren't given the

772
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,130
provision they need. 
They were the naughty kids. 

773
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,900
They were the kids who didn't 
try their hardest. 

774
00:30:08,910 --> 00:30:10,870
They were the kids who didn't 
achieve well. 

775
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,770
They still had the. 
Needs they What also happened 

776
00:30:12,780 --> 00:30:14,430
with those kids, they didn't go 
to school. 

777
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:15,150
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

778
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,710
Sometimes there was so much 
shame in it. 

779
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,330
Yeah, that's OK. 
That doesn't go to school. 

780
00:30:18,340 --> 00:30:21,060
Or they get sent to a different 
specialist provision school and 

781
00:30:21,070 --> 00:30:23,490
they maybe don't really need to 
be there because they're just a 

782
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:26,160
bit naughty. 
But yeah, there's a reason these

783
00:30:26,170 --> 00:30:27,960
things just haven't. 
They haven't just appeared. 

784
00:30:27,970 --> 00:30:30,170
I think people need to kind. 
Of you telling me it wasn't the?

785
00:30:30,180 --> 00:30:31,910
Vaccines. 
Yeah, alright. 

786
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,780
People need to kind of get over.
It's a I think it's a really 

787
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:37,110
immature thought process. 
When I hear people say that, I'm

788
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,770
like, have you really come to 
that conclusion If you're not, 

789
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:42,600
if you not spent like 10 seconds
thinking about how that's 

790
00:30:42,610 --> 00:30:43,340
that's. 
Ludicrous. 

791
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:46,020
When was the last time you were 
in a classroom with 32 kids? 

792
00:30:46,410 --> 00:30:48,240
And from our point of view, we 
can. 

793
00:30:48,250 --> 00:30:50,220
We notice when there are needs, 
right? 

794
00:30:50,430 --> 00:30:52,150
When was the last time those 
people saying it doesn't 

795
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,980
existed, that it doesn't exist? 
You Have you seen them? 

796
00:30:54,990 --> 00:30:58,060
No. 
Just badly paid, not even badly 

797
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:59,510
behaved. 
I know they just have needs like

798
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,150
they're not even bad behaviour, 
you know such. 

799
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,190
A horrible thing to say, isn't 
it? 

800
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,280
Badly behaved? 
What just like can't hold their 

801
00:31:05,290 --> 00:31:07,970
concentration for more than 10 
seconds because of a literal 

802
00:31:07,980 --> 00:31:09,740
disposition, like a chemical 
disposal? 

803
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:12,130
Yeah. 
So what we're gonna do as staff,

804
00:31:12,140 --> 00:31:13,190
and this is something that's 
changed. 

805
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,890
I think teachers now think, OK, 
if a child doesn't get 

806
00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:19,370
something, it's my job to find a
different way. 

807
00:31:19,420 --> 00:31:22,830
It's my job to kind of help them
find a way to do it. 

808
00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:25,040
It's never ever The child can't 
do it, though. 

809
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,710
It's your fault for not doing 
it. 

810
00:31:27,130 --> 00:31:30,670
And that has detrimental effects
on our well-being when funding 

811
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,500
doesn't happen and we don't get 
the help need. 

812
00:31:32,510 --> 00:31:35,800
But yeah, overall, it's one of 
those big macro changes. 

813
00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:39,120
I think if you go from general 
education, 5060, seventies 

814
00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:42,700
general education, Northeast, 
tens, 20s, it's incomparable. 

815
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:45,120
Yeah, it's been for the best. 
Yeah, I agree. 

816
00:31:45,130 --> 00:31:47,260
I think most of the changes are 
for the good. 

817
00:31:47,790 --> 00:31:50,420
People might disagree, but what 
about recent? 

818
00:31:50,430 --> 00:31:52,770
Years they've been. 
Should we dive a bit? 

819
00:31:52,780 --> 00:31:56,040
Into OK, let's have a quick 
Jingle, get our brains together 

820
00:31:56,110 --> 00:31:57,780
and come back and talk about the
recent years. 

821
00:32:00,370 --> 00:32:02,700
All right, Hayden. 
So there, there's like general 

822
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:05,560
macro events that have happened,
the things that have changed in 

823
00:32:05,570 --> 00:32:06,790
teaching. 
But I think what's going to be 

824
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,620
really interesting for people 
now and hopefully we can really 

825
00:32:09,630 --> 00:32:12,000
lay this out and articulate it 
because teachers will be feeling

826
00:32:12,010 --> 00:32:14,780
this and maybe just not being 
able to say, well, what, what is

827
00:32:14,790 --> 00:32:17,680
it? 
That's why am I so, so, so much 

828
00:32:17,690 --> 00:32:21,220
now more stressed than I've ever
been, especially in these more 

829
00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:23,290
recent years. 
So we've really thought hard, 

830
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:26,570
haven't we, about what exactly 
has changed because we started 

831
00:32:26,580 --> 00:32:29,320
teaching in 2016, ish 
20/15/2016. 

832
00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:34,610
We're now in 2023. 
And I do think that the job of 

833
00:32:34,620 --> 00:32:38,770
being a teacher is at this point
almost impossible. 

834
00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:41,950
I think what is literally laid 
out as expected from us. 

835
00:32:42,020 --> 00:32:46,370
Yeah, I I actually, I'm gonna go
out on a whim now and say it is 

836
00:32:46,380 --> 00:32:50,370
impossible to deliver all parts 
of our job to a high 

837
00:32:50,380 --> 00:32:52,320
professional standard all of the
time. 

838
00:32:52,530 --> 00:32:53,730
It is impossible. 
It is. 

839
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,270
Something has to give and people
find that really hard. 

840
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,130
I think part of maturing as a 
teacher is realising that 

841
00:32:59,140 --> 00:33:01,440
something has to give, otherwise
it's you. 

842
00:33:01,750 --> 00:33:04,760
It's kind of like something's 
gotta go or you're leaving this 

843
00:33:04,770 --> 00:33:06,890
profession, you know? 
And that's hard because you 

844
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:08,150
wanna do a really good job. 
Of course we do. 

845
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,660
We all wanna wanna do a really 
good job. 

846
00:33:09,790 --> 00:33:11,130
Let's talk about some of the 
things. 

847
00:33:11,140 --> 00:33:14,160
Then we've kind of divided it 
into 3 categories and there's a 

848
00:33:14,170 --> 00:33:15,460
few little things we'll talk 
about each one. 

849
00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:17,300
So we're going to start by 
talking a bit about money, a bit

850
00:33:17,310 --> 00:33:20,120
about funding, because. 
We're not talking salaries. 

851
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:20,620
No. 
Yeah. 

852
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:22,460
We're not talking about us, not 
about our money here. 

853
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:26,620
We're talking about a chronic 
and consistent underfunding of 

854
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:29,400
schools in the last decade. 
And it does go back further. 

855
00:33:29,410 --> 00:33:31,200
You can go back further, but 
let's just think about it in 

856
00:33:31,210 --> 00:33:31,810
recent. 
History. 

857
00:33:31,910 --> 00:33:34,560
I'm wearing the, you know, when 
we're in primary school, 

858
00:33:34,830 --> 00:33:38,680
education was ploughed with 
money and I felt it, I felt it. 

859
00:33:38,770 --> 00:33:41,860
I felt we got new things. 
We got computer suites, we got 

860
00:33:41,870 --> 00:33:44,500
new playground equipment, 
playground, We got stuff all the

861
00:33:44,510 --> 00:33:46,740
time. 
And it was really, really good. 

862
00:33:46,830 --> 00:33:49,240
And Blair had that whole thing 
with the Labour government of 

863
00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:51,300
education, education, education.
It was. 

864
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:54,920
There was a huge drive since 
2010. 

865
00:33:54,930 --> 00:33:56,220
Austerity. 
Hmm. 

866
00:33:56,260 --> 00:33:58,790
It just, it has been 
consistently, if you look at 

867
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,850
every graph possible, this isn't
a political spin. 

868
00:34:01,980 --> 00:34:04,320
It is a fact. 
Every graph possible. 

869
00:34:04,330 --> 00:34:06,510
It's been squeezed and squeezed 
and we feel. 

870
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,810
It do, you know, to be a really 
good experiment for people to 

871
00:34:08,820 --> 00:34:10,210
do. 
If you could ever be bothered to

872
00:34:10,219 --> 00:34:13,110
do this, go back. 
If you're an adult listening, go

873
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,969
back to your primary school, 
right. 

874
00:34:15,980 --> 00:34:17,770
And you know, I don't know what 
age you are. 

875
00:34:17,949 --> 00:34:19,170
This could be like recent 
history. 

876
00:34:19,179 --> 00:34:21,310
Whatever. 
Go back to your primary school 

877
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,620
and look around it and I promise
you that there is a very high 

878
00:34:25,630 --> 00:34:28,360
chance that you will go around 
and it looks exactly the same. 

879
00:34:28,370 --> 00:34:31,770
Same carpets, same building. 
Like there's no new building 

880
00:34:31,780 --> 00:34:33,300
work, that it's all just a bit 
more crumbly. 

881
00:34:33,310 --> 00:34:35,110
Same roof, same crumbly 
concrete. 

882
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,460
Same crumbly concrete. 
It will be the same kinds of 

883
00:34:37,469 --> 00:34:39,610
things on the walls, the same 
whole equipment. 

884
00:34:39,620 --> 00:34:42,929
You know, in the early 2000s 
when every single score hall 

885
00:34:42,940 --> 00:34:46,080
ever, the wooden floor got one 
of those wall wall equipment 

886
00:34:46,090 --> 00:34:48,210
things installed that no one 
ever used because it was too 

887
00:34:48,219 --> 00:34:50,679
scary to pull out? 
That's still there and there's 

888
00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:52,040
not been any advancement since 
then. 

889
00:34:52,050 --> 00:34:54,920
And and I've said this before in
another episode ages ago, that 

890
00:34:54,929 --> 00:34:57,440
there was a a TikTok meme of 
OHH. 

891
00:34:57,450 --> 00:34:59,710
It was supposed to be nostalgic 
and like remember, remember all 

892
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:01,190
these? 
And it was showing pictures, 

893
00:35:01,260 --> 00:35:03,340
benches. 
Yeah, 6 benches in year sixes. 

894
00:35:03,350 --> 00:35:05,910
Ohh, it's the same. 
The little beanbags, the wall 

895
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,350
equipment. 
And it was like, yeah, none of 

896
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:08,300
that's. 
Changed that's not. 

897
00:35:08,780 --> 00:35:11,220
The little blue chairs with the 
holes in and those tables and 

898
00:35:11,230 --> 00:35:12,990
the green carpets, it's all 
there. 

899
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,670
It's all there and just rotted 
now. 

900
00:35:14,740 --> 00:35:17,450
But we have to use it because 
there's no funding for 

901
00:35:17,460 --> 00:35:19,630
equipment. 
There's no funding for tech. 

902
00:35:19,780 --> 00:35:22,690
It's so hard. 
There was a push about 10 years 

903
00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:24,880
ago that got iPads in loads of 
schools. 

904
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,770
I mean, if, if, unless those 
iPads are still running, good 

905
00:35:27,780 --> 00:35:29,690
luck, yeah, because it's hard to
get any more funding. 

906
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:31,190
From you know what did happen as
well? 

907
00:35:31,250 --> 00:35:33,190
Worst thing that's ever gone 
into schools, ever. 

908
00:35:33,460 --> 00:35:36,070
Chromebooks. 
Everyone got a Chromebook. 

909
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,200
They never worked. 
They never worked. 

910
00:35:38,210 --> 00:35:40,190
They cost about £0.10 each, I 
think, to run. 

911
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,970
Yeah, they they everyone got a 
Chromebooks. 

912
00:35:41,980 --> 00:35:44,150
Cool. 
We got a Chromebook each, but 

913
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,710
57% of them don't work ever. 
And the other lots aren't 

914
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:50,490
charged. 
So there's your Chromebook. 

915
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,990
God, but yeah. 
So chronic underfunding, even in

916
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,450
things like research and having 
specialists in your school. 

917
00:35:59,460 --> 00:36:03,050
There used to be just a lot more
budget for a school to be like, 

918
00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:04,510
haha, there's this need in our 
school. 

919
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,730
We're going to spend 12 grand 
this year having this group come

920
00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:09,780
in and this specialist, and 
we're gonna do these little 

921
00:36:09,790 --> 00:36:13,180
workshops and bits and bobs to 
enrich this part of our culture.

922
00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:16,070
Cultural capital of the school 
can teach that can teach. 

923
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,270
Yeah, that's it. 
Now teach that. 

924
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,500
Please don't identify the gap. 
OK. 

925
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:21,050
What we gonna do about it? 
Well, what you put in your 

926
00:36:21,060 --> 00:36:23,030
planning. 
You do that. 

927
00:36:23,070 --> 00:36:24,530
Can you? 
Not do specialist music 

928
00:36:24,540 --> 00:36:27,320
teaching. 
No Ohh. 

929
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,470
Not gonna get it then because 
I've got no money. 

930
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:36,060
I think the number one way for 
me as a teacher, I noticed this.

931
00:36:36,070 --> 00:36:37,740
So I notice everything you've 
been saying. 

932
00:36:37,870 --> 00:36:41,330
The thing that really, really, 
really, really gets me is 

933
00:36:41,340 --> 00:36:43,180
teaching assistants. 
Teaching assistants. 

934
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:47,040
It's the number one way where I 
think back to me being at school

935
00:36:47,090 --> 00:36:49,520
and I think now teaching 
assistants. 

936
00:36:49,530 --> 00:36:52,290
I felt like at my school when I 
was younger, outnumbered 

937
00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:53,700
teachers like two or three to 
one. 

938
00:36:54,070 --> 00:36:56,800
There was like a whole army of 
them and they all had specific 

939
00:36:56,810 --> 00:36:58,760
jobs. 
It might be 1 to one, it might 

940
00:36:58,770 --> 00:37:01,860
be that they're just literally 
assisting in the class as a 

941
00:37:01,870 --> 00:37:04,940
teaching assistant. 
That's the one thing to me 

942
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:08,350
that's absolutely crazy because 
I look at maths and English and 

943
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,760
we're going to talk about Ofsted
later on in the expectations of 

944
00:37:10,770 --> 00:37:13,620
afternoon lessons. 
But the big thing for me is I 

945
00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:17,690
think what would transform my 
job is having a teaching 

946
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:21,700
assistant who is my teaching 
assistant all day, works with me

947
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:25,380
as a teacher and we are a team 
and we can plan. 

948
00:37:25,710 --> 00:37:27,930
I'm going to do the planning on 
the teacher of course, but we 

949
00:37:27,940 --> 00:37:32,300
can literally together plan out 
our day and and we work as a 

950
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:34,760
team. 
Not shared with the other year 

951
00:37:34,770 --> 00:37:36,110
group for the rest of the year 
group. 

952
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,350
Sorry, yeah, because at the 
minute I think I probably get a 

953
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,700
TA for 50% of my morning 
lessons, not even every maths 

954
00:37:43,710 --> 00:37:46,200
lesson in your lesson. 
And never once for an afternoon.

955
00:37:46,210 --> 00:37:48,310
Lesson and that standard by the 
way, that's not just our school.

956
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,680
That's just that's just pretty 
standard. 

957
00:37:49,690 --> 00:37:51,820
Depends, you know just depends 
where you are. 

958
00:37:51,830 --> 00:37:54,490
Depends what class you got. 
And it's quite reasonable now 

959
00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:57,470
for people to have nothing at 
all at all times in the day. 

960
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,750
Maybe you're in a school that 
sets viability and the TAS have 

961
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,560
just been that, you know, 
they're they're limited resource

962
00:38:02,570 --> 00:38:05,760
and they've all gone to the the 
lower sets that need more handle

963
00:38:05,770 --> 00:38:07,320
support. 
And you happen to be teaching 

964
00:38:07,390 --> 00:38:09,700
higher sets all morning and and 
you just don't. 

965
00:38:09,710 --> 00:38:12,800
Have any By the way, I still 8 
years old and need help. 

966
00:38:12,810 --> 00:38:13,460
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

967
00:38:13,470 --> 00:38:16,120
And you also the point is and 
here's here's the big change 

968
00:38:16,130 --> 00:38:19,820
right not only has the has the 
funding you know caused us to 

969
00:38:19,830 --> 00:38:25,690
have less TCAS fewer fewer TA 
always catches now we do on 

970
00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:28,120
purpose now that's my my rules 
for. 

971
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:31,690
Notice the mistake? 
Well done, yeah. 

972
00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:33,110
Fewer mistakes from me, please. 
Yeah. 

973
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:35,490
Yes. 
Confused. 

974
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:36,620
Me. 
Yeah. 

975
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:39,960
So not only the funding has 
affected a it's it's their role 

976
00:38:39,970 --> 00:38:41,900
as well. 
So like you were just saying I 

977
00:38:41,950 --> 00:38:44,090
it definitely used to be a team.
There was a team spirit. 

978
00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:45,860
It was like the TA and the 
teacher, they were just this 

979
00:38:45,870 --> 00:38:48,220
little unit and between them 
they did what they needed to do.

980
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:49,780
It doesn't feel like that 
anymore. 

981
00:38:49,850 --> 00:38:52,900
That you'll be very lucky to 
have that is very much. 

982
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:55,310
You might have a little bit of 
support and they're not really 

983
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,020
your tea. 
They're also being pulled from 

984
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:57,930
pillar to. 
Post and they're doing 

985
00:38:57,940 --> 00:39:00,220
interventions and probably 
taking some children out in the 

986
00:39:00,230 --> 00:39:01,790
afternoon to do some extra maths
or something. 

987
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,570
Yeah, Or you know, but it's just
gone. 

988
00:39:04,700 --> 00:39:08,340
Says where it might be that the 
teacher just needs some literal 

989
00:39:08,350 --> 00:39:11,420
assistance, not with the kids 
from and it just literally they 

990
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:14,420
need help because they've got 
tonnes of jobs to do and they're

991
00:39:14,430 --> 00:39:15,600
in charge. 
They're the manager of the 

992
00:39:15,610 --> 00:39:18,720
classroom and they need someone 
to go and pick up this. 

993
00:39:18,730 --> 00:39:20,460
Could you print that? 
Would you mind just putting this

994
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:21,680
up on the wall for me? 
Can you go and get the 

995
00:39:21,690 --> 00:39:24,040
medication for that kid and just
sort this out for me? 

996
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,160
You just can't do that anymore, 
I think. 

997
00:39:26,170 --> 00:39:28,330
We're going to talk more about 
this later, I think, when we 

998
00:39:28,340 --> 00:39:30,760
talk about afternoons, sure, 
because that would be really 

999
00:39:30,770 --> 00:39:32,500
interesting. 
But I guess the last thing to do

1000
00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:37,970
with funding for me, and it's a 
huge gaping gap because whilst 

1001
00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:41,880
we talked in the gaping gap, I 
don't know what gap isn't 

1002
00:39:41,890 --> 00:39:43,340
gambling. 
This is a gaping gap. 

1003
00:39:43,630 --> 00:39:46,760
And the point though is we 
talked about our macro change of

1004
00:39:46,830 --> 00:39:49,620
SEM provision, special 
educational needs being a lot 

1005
00:39:49,630 --> 00:39:52,540
more on the map and and us being
way more aware of it. 

1006
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:55,000
Yeah, which is great, which is 
absolutely fantastic. 

1007
00:39:55,090 --> 00:39:58,660
What's horrendous is that then 
it stops. 

1008
00:39:58,710 --> 00:40:02,320
So as a teacher, from my point 
of view, what's happening is OK,

1009
00:40:02,330 --> 00:40:05,400
this child's getting a provision
plan. 

1010
00:40:05,690 --> 00:40:07,840
Fantastic. 
Getting this education, health 

1011
00:40:07,850 --> 00:40:10,040
and care plan amazing. 
Getting diagnosis, brilliant. 

1012
00:40:10,050 --> 00:40:11,370
I think we know all about their 
needs. 

1013
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,800
Down we can really cater to 
that. 

1014
00:40:13,650 --> 00:40:17,460
How are we going to cater to 
that and what what do you mean? 

1015
00:40:17,470 --> 00:40:19,620
We this lower case it really. 
Yeah, there you. 

1016
00:40:19,630 --> 00:40:20,880
Go, mate. 
Off you go. 

1017
00:40:20,930 --> 00:40:22,010
No. 
Look, there's the report. 

1018
00:40:22,020 --> 00:40:22,920
Now. 
We gonna take you to it? 

1019
00:40:22,930 --> 00:40:24,010
No. 
They've given you. 

1020
00:40:24,020 --> 00:40:25,360
Sorry. 
Have you got any funding for me 

1021
00:40:25,370 --> 00:40:27,600
to implement any of? 
Yeah, we spent on getting the 

1022
00:40:27,610 --> 00:40:28,740
report. 
OK. 

1023
00:40:28,750 --> 00:40:30,500
Yeah, that's all we've got. 
And isn't it something crazy 

1024
00:40:30,510 --> 00:40:34,680
like the 1st 10,000 lbs of 
someone's need has to be funded?

1025
00:40:34,690 --> 00:40:36,570
By the school, I think that's 
with educational healthcare. 

1026
00:40:36,580 --> 00:40:38,360
Plans. 
So what they're basically saying

1027
00:40:38,370 --> 00:40:41,900
is that if you go through the 
rigmarole of helping a child 

1028
00:40:41,980 --> 00:40:44,450
needs an education health care 
plan, you're gonna put a 10 

1029
00:40:44,460 --> 00:40:46,380
grand hole in your. 
Budget on the school budget? 

1030
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:48,450
Yeah, it really takes a hit. 
It makes it very hard. 

1031
00:40:48,460 --> 00:40:51,340
For So what? 
What if you have seven children 

1032
00:40:51,350 --> 00:40:53,500
in your class who absolutely 
need support? 

1033
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,330
Sorry, 70 grand before we do 
anything. 

1034
00:40:55,340 --> 00:40:56,080
Tough. 
We've seen it. 

1035
00:40:56,090 --> 00:40:57,840
We've seen it happen year after 
year after year. 

1036
00:40:57,850 --> 00:40:59,580
I've seen it happen every single
year in my career. 

1037
00:40:59,590 --> 00:41:01,770
Children get left behind. 
Yeah they do and it's horrible. 

1038
00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:02,710
Look at them. 
I think. 

1039
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:04,060
Ohh, you deserve it just as much
as. 

1040
00:41:04,070 --> 00:41:04,920
That person. 
And you know what? 

1041
00:41:04,930 --> 00:41:06,820
Do you know what? 
Obviously I'm not gonna pretend 

1042
00:41:06,830 --> 00:41:09,080
that we are more of a detriment 
than the child who might be 

1043
00:41:09,090 --> 00:41:11,970
getting what they need. 
But that's on us mentally that 

1044
00:41:11,980 --> 00:41:14,680
we know that these lovely 
children who are under our care,

1045
00:41:14,690 --> 00:41:17,720
who we are paid to look after 
every single day and help 

1046
00:41:17,730 --> 00:41:20,860
develop and meet their needs, We
physically cannot do that 

1047
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:24,740
because we don't have what's in 
place needed, that we have all 

1048
00:41:24,750 --> 00:41:26,660
agreed because there's been a 
plan approved. 

1049
00:41:26,670 --> 00:41:29,380
Everyone in the system agrees 
that the child needs this, but 

1050
00:41:29,390 --> 00:41:31,400
it's down to you to do with no 
funding and no help. 

1051
00:41:31,410 --> 00:41:32,620
Yeah, no. 
And UTI's gone. 

1052
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:34,740
Yeah, and there's no, there's 
no, there's nothing there. 

1053
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:38,060
We are at the end game of the 
funding crisis and I think to to

1054
00:41:38,070 --> 00:41:42,610
summarise this whole funding 
thing it it is completely broken

1055
00:41:42,890 --> 00:41:45,930
and we are not making when we go
on strike and when we shout out 

1056
00:41:45,940 --> 00:41:48,470
about this, we're not doing it 
because we're lazy, we're not 

1057
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:49,490
doing it. 
We like moaning. 

1058
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:51,490
We're doing it because we live 
this job. 

1059
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,050
We are. 
We love this job and it is 

1060
00:41:54,060 --> 00:41:55,010
completely. 
Broken. 

1061
00:41:55,020 --> 00:41:57,350
It's failing the kid. 
We get to watch it first hand, 

1062
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,210
fail a lot of these children and
you just think, God, there 

1063
00:42:00,220 --> 00:42:02,550
could, there could be so much 
more in place for these children

1064
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,100
with just a little bit of money,
a bit of funding and it's not 

1065
00:42:05,110 --> 00:42:06,610
there. 
So it's double edged blade. 

1066
00:42:07,220 --> 00:42:11,030
Yes, we think it's great blade, 
double edged sword, sword, same 

1067
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,050
thing. 
All right, all right. 

1068
00:42:12,290 --> 00:42:14,210
Let's just stick from now on and
the same. 

1069
00:42:14,220 --> 00:42:15,700
Who are you? 
Who are you calling me out on 

1070
00:42:15,710 --> 00:42:18,920
these gaping gaps? 
You crazy, man. 

1071
00:42:20,380 --> 00:42:23,890
It's a double edged sword 
because yes, overall the change 

1072
00:42:23,900 --> 00:42:27,460
towards SEM provision has been 
great because it's way more 

1073
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:28,840
recognised now. 
Capability. 

1074
00:42:28,850 --> 00:42:32,110
Yeah, you know, that's great. 
But the funding availability? 

1075
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,470
The funding. 
The funding hasn't kept up with.

1076
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,190
It. 
I meant accessibility, vision, 

1077
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:39,510
you know, we. 
Just say what someone else is 

1078
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,860
saying. 
Like, yeah, yeah, but that's the

1079
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:43,800
problem. 
It's not kept out. 

1080
00:42:43,810 --> 00:42:46,590
The funding hasn't kept up with 
the research and understanding 

1081
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,840
of these children's needs, which
is really hard because then we 

1082
00:42:48,850 --> 00:42:51,850
just get to watch the system 
fail, great part of teaching. 

1083
00:42:51,930 --> 00:42:54,250
In the 70s it didn't exist. 
We were blind to it. 

1084
00:42:54,310 --> 00:42:56,300
Now we know it's there and it 
still doesn't get. 

1085
00:42:56,310 --> 00:42:57,430
Sorted. 
Yes, woo. 

1086
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,310
Brilliant. 
Right. 

1087
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,020
Let's talk about our next sort 
of topic of conversation. 

1088
00:43:01,030 --> 00:43:03,550
I guess so. 
Since we started, since we 

1089
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:08,710
started school, this has been, 
it's unimaginable to me this 

1090
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:10,430
change it. 
I I can't actually fathom it. 

1091
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,610
Looking back now that it used to
be. 

1092
00:43:13,660 --> 00:43:16,230
We teach maths and English and 
then we do some topic in the 

1093
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:19,280
afternoon and with some science.
It wasn't low stakes, OK? 

1094
00:43:19,290 --> 00:43:21,310
We still want to make some 
fantastic and we have some fun 

1095
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,310
lessons. 
We might do some geography where

1096
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,660
we looking at some maps and we 
go outside for a bit history. 

1097
00:43:26,670 --> 00:43:29,210
We'll get some artefacts out and
discuss them and that's cool 

1098
00:43:29,220 --> 00:43:32,440
because these are 7 year olds so
that is all they need to do is 

1099
00:43:32,450 --> 00:43:34,510
just have a little chat. 
About actually need to remember.

1100
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,130
Certain facts? 
No, they do. 

1101
00:43:36,140 --> 00:43:38,290
They do now. 
Yeah, because in 2019 there was 

1102
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:42,440
a new Ofsted and that framework 
has single handedly ruined this 

1103
00:43:42,450 --> 00:43:44,850
profession in my opinion. 
No, we I do. 

1104
00:43:44,860 --> 00:43:46,260
Think big words and. 
Doesn't. 

1105
00:43:46,270 --> 00:43:47,540
No, no. 
Because we talk about the 

1106
00:43:47,550 --> 00:43:49,560
funding. 
Yeah, that you know, teachers 

1107
00:43:49,570 --> 00:43:51,520
with miracle workers and will 
always put the kids first. 

1108
00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:53,520
And we are professionals and we 
do make sure children get what 

1109
00:43:53,530 --> 00:43:57,020
they need. 
So jokes aside and stress aside,

1110
00:43:57,170 --> 00:43:59,960
the annoying thing about the 
underfunding is they're such a 

1111
00:43:59,970 --> 00:44:02,810
fantastic teachers out there 
that we are kind of plugging 

1112
00:44:02,820 --> 00:44:04,110
those. 
Gaps and pick up the slack. 

1113
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,300
Picking up the slack and and 
that's why we're so stressed. 

1114
00:44:06,310 --> 00:44:08,910
That's why we're so stressed. 
But however with the Ofsted 

1115
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,670
unless you follow this 
framework, you're at risk of 

1116
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,650
your score being deemed requires
improvement and then head loses 

1117
00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:17,470
their job. 
Everything down the pan. 

1118
00:44:17,540 --> 00:44:19,250
Yep. 
So Hayden can you just very 

1119
00:44:19,260 --> 00:44:21,930
quickly summarise for anyone who
doesn't know what we're talking 

1120
00:44:21,940 --> 00:44:24,110
about. 
Firstly, what do we even mean by

1121
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,470
a framework? 
What happened in 2019? 

1122
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,770
How did this shift and change 
our job a lot when it comes to 

1123
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:30,800
afternoon. 
Lessons. 

1124
00:44:30,810 --> 00:44:33,050
So you probably know what often 
is and you know their job is to 

1125
00:44:33,060 --> 00:44:35,430
keep schools accountable and 
they have their own framework 

1126
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,440
documents so that when they go 
into schools that all of their 

1127
00:44:37,450 --> 00:44:39,780
inspectors, they're all 
consistent and they know what 

1128
00:44:39,790 --> 00:44:42,190
they're looking for. 
And what I guess the major 

1129
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:47,600
change in 2019 was this idea 
that any sub they can look at 

1130
00:44:47,610 --> 00:44:50,730
any subject, including all of 
the afternoon subjects in 

1131
00:44:50,740 --> 00:44:55,250
extreme detail and they will 
scrutinise at any one subject to

1132
00:44:55,260 --> 00:44:58,010
an extreme level. 
Whereas before there was a there

1133
00:44:58,020 --> 00:44:59,630
was a bit more of a kind of a 
surface approach. 

1134
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,640
They might, they might do that 
with English because they are 

1135
00:45:01,650 --> 00:45:03,490
the core subjects, and with 
science. 

1136
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,320
But when it comes to those 
afternoon subjects, when it 

1137
00:45:06,330 --> 00:45:09,880
comes to maybe PE and geography,
history and music and languages 

1138
00:45:09,890 --> 00:45:12,070
and RE, it might to be a bit 
more of A. 

1139
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,270
Let's just check that you've got
a curriculum you're following 

1140
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,720
and the children are being 
enriched and they're they're 

1141
00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:19,030
developing some understanding of
of these subjects because they 

1142
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,110
are primary school that they'll 
go to secondary school and 

1143
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,720
become a bit more specialised in
areas in those. 

1144
00:45:24,730 --> 00:45:27,490
Subjects with specialised. 
Teachers with teachers who only 

1145
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:30,450
teach that thing. 
So what it's done is it's put 

1146
00:45:30,460 --> 00:45:34,250
this immense pressure on schools
to make sure that every teacher 

1147
00:45:34,260 --> 00:45:38,140
is an absolute specialist in 
every single subject, which is 

1148
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:39,970
which you might think, wow, 
that's great. 

1149
00:45:40,020 --> 00:45:43,470
And yeah, I in the ideal world, 
that is great, isn't it? 

1150
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,580
That does sound good. 
Imagine having skilled teachers 

1151
00:45:45,590 --> 00:45:47,200
that well, it's like Kate. 
Cool. 

1152
00:45:47,340 --> 00:45:50,360
It's not real though, is it? 
And also where where does that 

1153
00:45:50,370 --> 00:45:51,400
come from? 
It's Ohh. 

1154
00:45:51,410 --> 00:45:53,320
Suddenly I'm just going to be 
that skill now. 

1155
00:45:53,330 --> 00:45:54,940
It's no, no. 
It's going to come out of my 

1156
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:56,790
time and it's going to be very 
stressful. 

1157
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,290
And it manifests in the idea 
then since then, leading a 

1158
00:46:00,300 --> 00:46:03,300
subject has become the most 
toxic thing you honestly could 

1159
00:46:03,310 --> 00:46:05,820
possibly do to someone's 
well-being, because you don't 

1160
00:46:05,830 --> 00:46:08,740
get paid for it. 
You simply don't get paid for 

1161
00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:11,070
it. 
So you've got to do this change 

1162
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,250
in school progression documents,
make sure everything is really 

1163
00:46:14,260 --> 00:46:16,390
clear between year three and 
year four, then your five. 

1164
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,080
And how is that going if you're 
in history? 

1165
00:46:18,090 --> 00:46:19,510
How's the chronology getting 
better? 

1166
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,690
And how's their understanding of
sources getting better? 

1167
00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:23,630
And how's all the, you know, all
the different strands of 

1168
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:24,810
history? 
There's gotta be progression 

1169
00:46:24,820 --> 00:46:26,880
throughout the whole school. 
You're in charge of that, by the

1170
00:46:26,890 --> 00:46:28,000
way. 
You've got, you've got to make 

1171
00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:31,560
that OK. 
Not only am I not a history 

1172
00:46:31,570 --> 00:46:34,730
specialist, so I don't know what
you're talking about, I also am 

1173
00:46:34,740 --> 00:46:37,770
just delivering my job of 
teaching, which is all my time 

1174
00:46:37,780 --> 00:46:39,550
already. 
That's all my time gone already.

1175
00:46:39,620 --> 00:46:42,700
And now you want me to be a 
specialist in history And I made

1176
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:45,700
a meme about this. 
The joke was you know, a a head 

1177
00:46:45,710 --> 00:46:47,500
teacher buttering up someone 
saying how ohh. 

1178
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:50,860
Who's that wonderful girl? 
Because my dad's asked you to 

1179
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:51,780
leave geography. 
For nothing. 

1180
00:46:51,790 --> 00:46:54,300
Yeah, yeah, it's it's the fact 
that it doesn't come with pay 

1181
00:46:54,310 --> 00:46:56,400
your time. 
It's just insanity. 

1182
00:46:56,450 --> 00:46:59,660
Even just time is a bit like a 
bit cheeky, Not actually paying 

1183
00:46:59,670 --> 00:47:02,480
me for it, but at least I'm 
reducing time from my other job 

1184
00:47:02,530 --> 00:47:05,140
and just pay is still a bit like
what's a bit cheesy because I do

1185
00:47:05,150 --> 00:47:07,690
work full time hours already. 
You are just kind of paying me 

1186
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:10,100
to do it my weekends. 
And it's never it's never worth 

1187
00:47:10,110 --> 00:47:11,480
it. 
No, Not at all. 

1188
00:47:11,490 --> 00:47:12,590
Never. 
Never perfect. 

1189
00:47:12,660 --> 00:47:15,350
So yeah, Office 2019 did mess 
things up a little bit. 

1190
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,650
We've definitely felt the 
change, especially post COVID 

1191
00:47:17,660 --> 00:47:22,390
when those when it was even more
imperative to catch these kids 

1192
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,350
up. 
But I think the main issue I 

1193
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,490
have is it's become really 
knowledged based. 

1194
00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:30,990
And boring, Yeah, it is. 
On the whole, I think there's 

1195
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,970
big changes you can make to 
curriculums to make them better.

1196
00:47:32,980 --> 00:47:37,050
And I think progression is cool 
and I understand it, but the 

1197
00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:41,190
lead into knowledge. 
I agree with you more and more 

1198
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,330
as time goes on. 
I don't care if a child doesn't 

1199
00:47:44,340 --> 00:47:46,330
know when Tutankhamun's tomb was
found. 

1200
00:47:46,340 --> 00:47:48,390
Umm. 
However, what would be really 

1201
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,340
cool would be to talk about what
was in the tomb. 

1202
00:47:50,350 --> 00:47:51,310
Hmm. 
And why they? 

1203
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,580
Went and found it. 
And knowing the ancient, what 

1204
00:47:53,590 --> 00:47:55,790
the ancient Egyptians were, 
Yeah, just having that kind of 

1205
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,610
more interesting level of 
knowledge. 

1206
00:47:57,710 --> 00:47:59,430
Do you know what? 
7 year old. 

1207
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:02,190
If you really find this 
interesting, you can go and do a

1208
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,490
bit more research on it. 
And you might even do it in the 

1209
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:06,750
next five years of secondary 
school when you have a 

1210
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,770
specialist history teacher that 
knows loads about. 

1211
00:48:08,780 --> 00:48:11,670
It I think the job has to be 
right and this is where it's 

1212
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,240
changed and it's more stressful 
than ever. 

1213
00:48:13,410 --> 00:48:16,460
I would love my job to be to get
children to be able to read, 

1214
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:19,620
understand well, to be able to 
do the most basic of maths and 

1215
00:48:19,630 --> 00:48:21,300
understand that there are 
problems that they can work 

1216
00:48:21,310 --> 00:48:24,680
towards and have methods on how 
to solve them and have a love of

1217
00:48:24,690 --> 00:48:28,160
learning other things. 
And that's enough. 

1218
00:48:28,290 --> 00:48:31,260
They they don't have to leave 
second primary school, sorry, 

1219
00:48:31,330 --> 00:48:36,440
knowing what the rock formation 
was in an ancient in Pompeii. 

1220
00:48:36,490 --> 00:48:39,610
I don't care if they know that's
metamorphic or not. 

1221
00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:42,190
Or sedimentary or whatever. 
I don't actually care. 

1222
00:48:42,260 --> 00:48:45,250
What I care about is, I imagine,
if they were hooked by the 

1223
00:48:45,260 --> 00:48:47,030
story. 
Are there any volcanoes in Peru 

1224
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,130
and are they active or dormant? 
They kids don't care, yeah, why 

1225
00:48:50,140 --> 00:48:52,890
would they care about that? 
Yeah, it's so uninteresting and 

1226
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:54,430
boring. 
But kids to most. 

1227
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,430
People, but I've seen kids and 
this is the beauty of being in a

1228
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,630
primary school. 
They can get hooked on a rocks 

1229
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,300
lesson. 
They can get hooked on it 

1230
00:49:01,310 --> 00:49:03,730
because they're going to just go
and get some rocks from the 

1231
00:49:03,740 --> 00:49:05,480
playground. 
Whenever I've done rocks with 

1232
00:49:05,490 --> 00:49:08,370
children before for weeks 
afterwards, I get children come 

1233
00:49:08,380 --> 00:49:09,660
in the morning. 
I found a rock. 

1234
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:11,720
Yeah, they just bring me a rock 
and it's like that. 

1235
00:49:11,730 --> 00:49:14,400
That is all I care about. 
Yeah, you, if you couldn't tell 

1236
00:49:14,410 --> 00:49:15,940
me, how old do you think that 
rock is? 

1237
00:49:15,950 --> 00:49:18,860
Because based on the lines and 
the sedimentary build up, I 

1238
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:20,860
couldn't care. 
Less, but if you could tell me 

1239
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:25,000
if a kid said to me I want to go
and find out excellent X or Y 

1240
00:49:25,010 --> 00:49:26,580
about this, then I'd be like 
I've done my job. 

1241
00:49:26,590 --> 00:49:28,220
Well good. 
I don't care if they memorised 

1242
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:29,420
it now, but this is just a 
memory test. 

1243
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:31,440
It's all a memory test. 
Now we're really going down this

1244
00:49:31,450 --> 00:49:34,570
rabbit hole in education of test
and memory on everything. 

1245
00:49:34,580 --> 00:49:37,240
It's such a stupid way of 
standardising children. 

1246
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,760
And I suppose to summarise how 
has that changed over our 

1247
00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:41,570
career? 
I think it's just it's it's 

1248
00:49:41,580 --> 00:49:46,080
workload and its expectation 
with absolutely no extra 

1249
00:49:46,090 --> 00:49:47,700
support, and it links back to 
what we're saying. 

1250
00:49:47,710 --> 00:49:50,460
And that's the point I wanted to
make about a because we have 

1251
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:53,010
this really high bar now. 
That bar has been raised and 

1252
00:49:53,020 --> 00:49:55,220
raised and raised for afternoon 
lessons. 

1253
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,330
You can come at me and tell me 
that's a good thing, all you 

1254
00:49:57,340 --> 00:49:58,950
want. 
And I'd be hard for me to argue 

1255
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,620
against it, to say for the same 
reason it was good that 

1256
00:50:01,630 --> 00:50:04,090
curriculum came in general, of 
course. 

1257
00:50:04,100 --> 00:50:06,070
Is it good that we have higher 
standards for history and 

1258
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,090
science? 
Of course. 

1259
00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:09,810
It's hard for me to argue, no, 
but it has to come alongside. 

1260
00:50:09,820 --> 00:50:13,070
Funding has to come alongside 
support, because I bet you now 

1261
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,460
if you're a teacher listening to
this podcast, you have help in 

1262
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:18,740
the mornings for English and 
maths at some point. 

1263
00:50:18,850 --> 00:50:21,520
And you probably have smaller 
groups because you might have 

1264
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,860
people premium funding to get an
extra teacher and do sets and 

1265
00:50:23,870 --> 00:50:26,380
things like that. 
I bet you have nothing in the. 

1266
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:29,100
Afternoon, and I bet it's your 
longest subjects as well. 

1267
00:50:29,170 --> 00:50:32,820
The idea of an 8 year old doing 
a two hour 20 or two hour 30 

1268
00:50:32,830 --> 00:50:35,800
lesson in the afternoon where 
it's pure, you've got to 

1269
00:50:35,810 --> 00:50:38,890
remember all these historical 
facts is mental. 

1270
00:50:40,090 --> 00:50:41,540
Without break, Yeah. 
Without break. 

1271
00:50:41,550 --> 00:50:43,590
Some schools have breaks. 
Most schools don't know in the 

1272
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,120
afternoon. 
It's just like a big chunk. 

1273
00:50:45,130 --> 00:50:47,420
Of we got loads of support, 
loads of extra input from maths 

1274
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:49,640
and English, real with help, and
it's only for an hour and a half

1275
00:50:49,650 --> 00:50:51,850
ish, but in the afternoon you're
on your own. 

1276
00:50:51,860 --> 00:50:52,900
It's 2 1/2 hours and got to 
know. 

1277
00:50:52,910 --> 00:50:54,740
Everything and make sure you 
don't forget the three hours of 

1278
00:50:54,750 --> 00:50:56,270
English did before. 
That I know. 

1279
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,740
Already exhausted, Tough. 
You're really tired and you 

1280
00:50:58,750 --> 00:51:00,560
don't want to work hard to OK, 
cool. 

1281
00:51:00,570 --> 00:51:02,780
Well, that's tough because I'm 
going to get judged on it. 

1282
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:04,820
And by the way, afterwards I 
need to assess you on every 

1283
00:51:04,830 --> 00:51:06,400
single tiny strand in. 
Every single. 

1284
00:51:06,410 --> 00:51:13,220
My happy memories of school are 
100% doing nice fun things in 

1285
00:51:13,230 --> 00:51:16,620
the afternoon that got me 
interested in the stuff that 

1286
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:18,590
that is it. 
Yeah, I know I did Tudors, 

1287
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:19,470
right? 
Yeah. 

1288
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,670
I couldn't tell you now. 
I probably could. 

1289
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,070
So it's bad example, but I 
couldn't tell you. 

1290
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,690
For example, when Queen 
Elizabeth was born, I'm sure I 

1291
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:31,150
got taught. 
But do you know what I remember 

1292
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,650
that she was a leader who never 
married and she was part of the 

1293
00:51:33,660 --> 00:51:35,600
Spanish Armada. 
And we had this whole thing was 

1294
00:51:35,610 --> 00:51:38,040
like, wow, that's cool. 
That's really interesting. 

1295
00:51:38,050 --> 00:51:40,350
And what, You know, Henry the 
Eighth was this unbelievable 

1296
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,350
tyrant. 
They were just split from the 

1297
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:43,610
church and made-up this new 
religion. 

1298
00:51:43,620 --> 00:51:45,620
Like, wow, I remember that. 
That's really interesting. 

1299
00:51:45,630 --> 00:51:47,480
Yeah, I don't remember the 
single. 

1300
00:51:47,490 --> 00:51:49,380
Remember the the type of 
material that was used to make 

1301
00:51:49,390 --> 00:51:51,880
his his cloaks. 
That's the kind of random. 

1302
00:51:51,890 --> 00:51:53,520
Nonsense. 
What was the chronological link 

1303
00:51:53,530 --> 00:51:55,380
between that and the Victorians?
He shot. 

1304
00:51:55,390 --> 00:51:57,530
Yeah, Tell tell me about 
democracy in that time. 

1305
00:51:59,140 --> 00:52:01,570
How did democracy change from 
the Stone Age? 

1306
00:52:01,620 --> 00:52:03,220
Yeah, to the victory Don't. 
Care. 

1307
00:52:03,230 --> 00:52:05,530
And you know what? 
I don't even have a huge problem

1308
00:52:05,580 --> 00:52:07,570
with having those discussions. 
I just don't like when it's 

1309
00:52:07,580 --> 00:52:09,810
forced in. 
If there's a time where you 

1310
00:52:09,820 --> 00:52:11,450
think this is, the kids are 
really interested in this, and 

1311
00:52:11,460 --> 00:52:13,730
this is a good way to talk about
democracy, That's an important 

1312
00:52:13,780 --> 00:52:15,710
concept to understand. 
Cool. 

1313
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:17,780
It's just. 
But it doesn't matter if a 10 

1314
00:52:17,790 --> 00:52:20,030
year old cannot make a 
democratic link throughout 

1315
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,100
history, no. 
No, of course it doesn't. 

1316
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,370
Let's go into the last. 
One, let's be quick here because

1317
00:52:24,380 --> 00:52:26,290
we are coming towards the end of
the episode. 

1318
00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:29,580
But there is one more thing. 
I think it's huge think this is 

1319
00:52:29,590 --> 00:52:33,320
could have sneaked into macro, 
but I do think that there's a 

1320
00:52:33,330 --> 00:52:35,400
part of this which really has 
been intensified, especially 

1321
00:52:35,410 --> 00:52:36,860
since COVID in my opinion. 
Yeah. 

1322
00:52:36,930 --> 00:52:40,520
And that is the digital age, OK.
I think the digital age in 

1323
00:52:40,530 --> 00:52:42,920
general, we can talk about all 
the positives and the ways that 

1324
00:52:42,930 --> 00:52:44,300
we can use technology to help 
us. 

1325
00:52:44,310 --> 00:52:46,330
But I think there's two strands 
to this. 

1326
00:52:46,340 --> 00:52:48,920
And the first one is direct 
access to your teacher. 

1327
00:52:49,250 --> 00:52:51,660
I don't think that was ever a 
thing previously. 

1328
00:52:51,870 --> 00:52:54,320
The idea now that in a lot of 
schools, luckily not our school 

1329
00:52:54,330 --> 00:52:57,000
very well managed, I think every
school should be like this, but 

1330
00:52:57,010 --> 00:52:58,660
a lot of schools just 24/7 
access. 

1331
00:52:58,670 --> 00:53:01,930
You could receive an e-mail at 
9:00 PM from SLT saying do this 

1332
00:53:01,940 --> 00:53:04,200
for tomorrow. 
You could receive an e-mail at 

1333
00:53:04,210 --> 00:53:05,970
6:30 in the morning from a 
teacher saying, ohh, my son's 

1334
00:53:05,980 --> 00:53:08,000
going to be doing this today. 
Can you please make sure that 

1335
00:53:08,010 --> 00:53:09,010
you keep an eye on him? 
Hmm. 

1336
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,090
Can you please make sure you 
don't message me because I'll do

1337
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:12,150
my job? 
Without you telling me, that's 

1338
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,130
not even the worst here. 
That's a bad tear, by the way. 

1339
00:53:14,140 --> 00:53:15,920
And if that happens in your 
school, you just say no, it's 

1340
00:53:15,930 --> 00:53:17,990
not my working hours. 
You absolutely never, ever, ever

1341
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,390
report response. 
You might want to read it. 

1342
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:20,390
That's why it's up to you. 
Yeah. 

1343
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,310
Don't respond to an e-mail at 
9:00 PM because then it will 

1344
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,470
just set this precedent. 
But that's that's Tier 1. 

1345
00:53:24,540 --> 00:53:26,900
Tier 2 is that happens. 
And also parents have direct 

1346
00:53:26,910 --> 00:53:28,970
access to you as well and 
through whatever system your 

1347
00:53:28,980 --> 00:53:31,240
school has. 
And we'll and can just message 

1348
00:53:31,250 --> 00:53:34,510
you at any point in the day. 
And again if there's a bad 

1349
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,540
culture in your school, they 
will expect a reply. 

1350
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,600
Yeah, certain point you just 
think that's mad. 

1351
00:53:38,610 --> 00:53:41,220
That did not happen before back 
in the like the the macro 

1352
00:53:41,230 --> 00:53:42,540
conversation titled. 
Isn't. 

1353
00:53:42,550 --> 00:53:45,880
It yeah, is extremely entitled 
as if we're just. 

1354
00:53:46,540 --> 00:53:48,710
Ohh, just yeah. 
Would you ever just message your

1355
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:50,770
doctor at half six going excuse 
me? 

1356
00:53:50,980 --> 00:53:53,060
Yeah, That thing you tried, it's
not working. 

1357
00:53:53,070 --> 00:53:54,170
No, you'd be on the phone for 
10. 

1358
00:53:54,180 --> 00:53:54,850
Minutes. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

1359
00:53:54,860 --> 00:53:55,440
The next. 
They have. 

1360
00:53:55,450 --> 00:53:58,430
They have a reception putting 
you in to not even book you in. 

1361
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,820
Yeah, so. 
Not only are you talking to 

1362
00:54:00,830 --> 00:54:02,520
someone else, you don't even get
to talk to the doctor at the 

1363
00:54:02,530 --> 00:54:03,990
end. 
It's like, at what point did we 

1364
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,060
become these fools who just 
again, just from a parent 

1365
00:54:07,070 --> 00:54:09,250
saying, ohh, I'm sorry my 
daughter said that this thing 

1366
00:54:09,260 --> 00:54:10,690
happened today and she wasn't 
happy about it. 

1367
00:54:10,700 --> 00:54:12,400
Yeah, all right. 
Quick thing, by the way, it's 

1368
00:54:12,410 --> 00:54:14,590
really, really short. 
I rang 2 dentists yesterday 

1369
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,540
really bad toothache. 
I'm not signed up for the just. 

1370
00:54:17,550 --> 00:54:19,770
E-mail them direct e-mail. 
Yeah yeah I just messaged 

1371
00:54:19,780 --> 00:54:22,890
message rang 2 dentists and I 
explained my situation said I 

1372
00:54:22,900 --> 00:54:25,410
don't think I remember can I can
I get some sort of NHS 

1373
00:54:25,420 --> 00:54:28,290
membership because obviously I 
am I I do I am a paying member 

1374
00:54:28,300 --> 00:54:30,730
of this country. 
And the answer hilariously it 

1375
00:54:30,740 --> 00:54:33,730
was like ohh no. 
That was it. 

1376
00:54:34,340 --> 00:54:37,270
Is there a way to get? 
Is there a way to get in No 

1377
00:54:37,660 --> 00:54:38,590
fully? 
Fully. 

1378
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:42,650
I've got a hole in my tooth. 
Ohh ah bye. 

1379
00:54:42,730 --> 00:54:45,050
That's a shame. 
Can I get, can I get on that 

1380
00:54:45,060 --> 00:54:47,110
list? 
No, there's no space. 

1381
00:54:47,180 --> 00:54:49,610
No dentist, OK can no get a 
list. 

1382
00:54:49,620 --> 00:54:51,600
Thank you. 
Bye bye. 

1383
00:54:51,610 --> 00:54:53,510
Now I've just got a horrible 
toothache and I don't really 

1384
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,790
know what to do. 
I have to pay private but. 

1385
00:54:56,100 --> 00:54:57,670
Maybe you'll start screaming 
like river. 

1386
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,030
Every time you change your 
nappy. 

1387
00:55:00,450 --> 00:55:03,640
Last thing on this, because I 
think this is LinkedIn something

1388
00:55:03,650 --> 00:55:05,870
that's changed a lot and it's to
do with the whole media thing 

1389
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,710
culture. 
It's just it's just smartphone 

1390
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:12,130
usage and and I think why that's
changed in the last few years is

1391
00:55:12,140 --> 00:55:14,790
it used to be when Maria school,
there's still mobile phones but 

1392
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,000
it was literally a mobile phone.
I could call someone like a text

1393
00:55:17,010 --> 00:55:19,980
someone there might be some 
things going on all texting each

1394
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:23,320
other inappropriate things might
be bullying or going on and 

1395
00:55:23,330 --> 00:55:26,420
that's to do with the teachers. 
But but these days if there's 

1396
00:55:26,430 --> 00:55:28,850
something going on WhatsApp 
group chat, suddenly it's the 

1397
00:55:28,860 --> 00:55:31,510
teachers problem to try and sort
out if it's outside of work. 

1398
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:32,800
And I'm sorry, it's the parents 
job. 

1399
00:55:32,810 --> 00:55:34,720
Don't give your child WhatsApp 
if they can't handle it. 

1400
00:55:34,730 --> 00:55:37,510
Yeah and if there's a problem 
going, don't come to me, go to 

1401
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,040
the other parents. 
You know it's it's not I I I 

1402
00:55:40,050 --> 00:55:41,260
find it crazy. 
That's even in our. 

1403
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:43,350
Jurisdiction primary school 
drives me crazy of these things.

1404
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,650
Secondary schools are different 
game because they are at the age

1405
00:55:45,660 --> 00:55:46,710
where they can actually have 
these things. 

1406
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:48,920
But primary school drives me 
insane because it's like it's 

1407
00:55:48,930 --> 00:55:51,200
quite clearly they're very well.
They're very well advertised as 

1408
00:55:51,250 --> 00:55:54,220
being like 13 plus quite or 11 
plus or whatever. 

1409
00:55:54,270 --> 00:55:57,320
I'm like no one at primary 
school is actually technically 

1410
00:55:57,330 --> 00:55:59,100
should be like. 
So it's never my problem. 

1411
00:55:59,110 --> 00:56:01,300
I literally, I'm like, no, they 
shouldn't. 

1412
00:56:01,380 --> 00:56:03,810
You're choosing that your kid 
used that thing. 

1413
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,580
It is not absolutely not my 
problem now if if some drama 

1414
00:56:07,590 --> 00:56:09,310
happens outside of school, but 
it's the thing, isn't it? 

1415
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:10,490
That's changed a lot over the 
years. 

1416
00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:12,010
It's just this expectation that 
we will get. 

1417
00:56:12,020 --> 00:56:14,510
Involved somehow it's because 
they're just children in our 

1418
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,470
class and I get we we we do. 
I don't know what to think. 

1419
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,530
We don't feel this bond with our
children that we want to help 

1420
00:56:20,540 --> 00:56:23,770
them whenever we can. 
But there is a line is is my job

1421
00:56:23,780 --> 00:56:27,790
to teach them stuff. 
I'm It's not my job, I don't 

1422
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,230
think. 
Or it shouldn't be, at least to 

1423
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:33,340
solve issues outside of Go on 
apps you let your children 

1424
00:56:33,350 --> 00:56:35,220
download on phones you. 
Buy that we don't let them use 

1425
00:56:35,230 --> 00:56:37,090
in school. 
If it was on an iPad in school, 

1426
00:56:37,140 --> 00:56:38,870
my job. 
My job completely, yeah, yeah, 

1427
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,310
it's on an internal system. 
My. 

1428
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:41,380
Job. 
And The thing is, I say that I 

1429
00:56:41,390 --> 00:56:43,850
know I've never said no, I've 
never once turned down that 

1430
00:56:43,860 --> 00:56:45,120
help. 
I've always got involved in 

1431
00:56:45,130 --> 00:56:46,190
help. 
But there is that in the back of

1432
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:47,450
my head. 
I'm like for God's and again. 

1433
00:56:47,460 --> 00:56:49,690
Of course we'll help cause we're
then kind of people, but I just 

1434
00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:51,630
that's another thing. 
It's another string to our bow 

1435
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,890
right now, which we it's just 
adding to our workload 

1436
00:56:53,900 --> 00:56:56,430
relentlessly. 
So and the one last thing with 

1437
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,960
smartphones and we'll finish 
this bit the worst thing now and

1438
00:56:58,970 --> 00:57:01,190
this has changed and we're 
talking like three or four years

1439
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,030
now even from when we started. 
And smartphones are already a 

1440
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:08,430
problem is it is those is TikTok
and Instagram reels and things 

1441
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:12,110
because they are so unfiltered 
and driven by an algorithm of 

1442
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,670
what you like watching. 
As soon as a kid gets fed 

1443
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,630
something and they remotely 
linger on it a bit too long. 

1444
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,630
Feeds them more. 
Feeds them more so much 

1445
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,110
inappropriate content. 
On TikTok I use TikTok and it's 

1446
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,620
horribly inappropriate. 
I'm an adult and I can philtre 

1447
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:27,450
that content myself and I. 
But I often will be scrolling 

1448
00:57:27,460 --> 00:57:29,680
through and I'm thinking through
the lens of a kid in my class. 

1449
00:57:29,690 --> 00:57:32,350
I feel like, you know what if if
some of these videos popped up 

1450
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,280
that are just genuinely 
violence, you'll get one that I 

1451
00:57:35,290 --> 00:57:36,690
get. 
I'll get think something like 

1452
00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:39,350
racist or something. 
I'm like that someone's making a

1453
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,560
racist joke in in a in a on a 
little tick tock video here to 

1454
00:57:41,570 --> 00:57:44,940
get some laughs, hopefully by 
people that maybe understand the

1455
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:47,300
nuance or they're just being 
horribly racist and you think 

1456
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:48,750
kids can consume that? 
Yep. 

1457
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,620
And they don't have the 
intelligence, the philtre to be 

1458
00:57:51,630 --> 00:57:53,750
like, oh that's disgusting. 
That's someone that's just free 

1459
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,440
media that someone put on there.
And I'm like kids can watch this

1460
00:57:57,450 --> 00:57:59,610
stuff, man. 
And it really impacts them. 

1461
00:57:59,620 --> 00:58:00,970
Of course they talk about it. 
How many? 

1462
00:58:00,980 --> 00:58:05,870
Children mention Elon Musk got 
Andrew Tate, Ohh Andrew KSI, 

1463
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,330
Logan Paul. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1464
00:58:07,390 --> 00:58:08,510
I'm sorry. 
I don't care. 

1465
00:58:08,580 --> 00:58:09,790
I'm in France. 
They are for adults. 

1466
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,200
If you like them, crack on mate.
Don't bother me for the fact 

1467
00:58:13,210 --> 00:58:16,480
that the way that the people 
like KSI and Logan Paul pretend 

1468
00:58:16,650 --> 00:58:18,730
that they're marketing to 
adults, when really they're just

1469
00:58:18,740 --> 00:58:21,220
absolutely rinsing. 
Kids watch time on for ad 

1470
00:58:21,230 --> 00:58:22,900
revenue. 
It's weird and prime and things 

1471
00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:27,070
like that, but the things they 
churn out is just adult content.

1472
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,630
It's not appropriate, disgusting
because I have no problem with 

1473
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,560
people, obviously, because kids 
TV, the kids media exist and 

1474
00:58:33,570 --> 00:58:35,840
adult TV can exist and adult 
content can exist. 

1475
00:58:35,890 --> 00:58:39,100
But there is a chasm right now 
on YouTube and TikTok that we 

1476
00:58:39,110 --> 00:58:42,460
have these influencers who are 
absolutely rinsing child's watch

1477
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:45,420
time for ad revenue whilst 
pretending it's for adults and 

1478
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:47,670
they know full well that they 
are marketing to kids. 

1479
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,000
There's no way Prime is not 
marketed to children with 

1480
00:58:50,010 --> 00:58:51,530
Bright. 
Yellow colours under 10 years. 

1481
00:58:51,540 --> 00:58:52,910
How many adults have drank 
prime? 

1482
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:53,760
Gone. 
All that's delicious. 

1483
00:58:53,770 --> 00:58:55,690
Yeah, I'll keep buying those. 
No, it's. 

1484
00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:58,150
I'll collect the bottles. 
It's for 12 year olds and and 

1485
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,670
let's stop pretending it's not. 
And then when they they release 

1486
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,120
their podcasts and things, 
they're just talking like in a 

1487
00:59:03,130 --> 00:59:06,690
very inappropriate about adult 
content, knowing full well that 

1488
00:59:06,700 --> 00:59:09,060
their audience are 12 year olds.
It's. 

1489
00:59:09,070 --> 00:59:10,600
Disgusting. 
It's Dodge and it seems his way 

1490
00:59:10,610 --> 00:59:11,800
into school. 
That's a big change. 

1491
00:59:11,810 --> 00:59:16,000
We've seen smartphones and their
usage is becoming a real problem

1492
00:59:16,750 --> 00:59:19,640
both in cyber bullying and the 
things they can access on them 

1493
00:59:19,650 --> 00:59:22,720
so easily now. 
Ohh dear, do you want to finish 

1494
00:59:22,730 --> 00:59:23,800
a quick story? 
Let's finish. 

1495
00:59:23,810 --> 00:59:25,330
Very quick story. 
What about now? 

1496
00:59:25,420 --> 00:59:27,750
Yeah, we're gonna go. 
This is a really short story, 

1497
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,730
but it made me laugh so much. 
So I'm gonna tell this story, 

1498
00:59:29,740 --> 00:59:30,850
then we'll wrap it up and we'll 
come. 

1499
00:59:30,860 --> 00:59:33,670
OK. 
So I was talking to one of my 

1500
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,730
friends the other day came to 
see Rory, we having a chat and 

1501
00:59:36,740 --> 00:59:39,150
they had this story for me that 
as soon as it happened they said

1502
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,130
to their friend, I've got, I've 
got the podcast. 

1503
00:59:42,180 --> 00:59:45,950
So really short one. 
There was something went on at 

1504
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,170
school, OK. 
Between a few children. 

1505
00:59:48,260 --> 00:59:50,850
And as you know, we've got to 
contact parents sometimes, 

1506
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,450
depending on what it is. 
So it's OK. 

1507
00:59:52,460 --> 00:59:53,890
It's gonna let parent know what 
happened. 

1508
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:54,990
Cool. 
After school, Yeah. 

1509
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:56,290
We'll go and get the number of 
the parents. 

1510
00:59:56,300 --> 00:59:58,250
So this teacher went along, got 
the number for the parent. 

1511
00:59:58,300 --> 01:00:00,240
Ready to have a really serious 
conversation about what? 

1512
01:00:00,250 --> 01:00:01,710
You know. 
This did happen today. 

1513
01:00:03,050 --> 01:00:05,130
Blah, blah blah. 
So sat down, tucked in the 

1514
01:00:05,140 --> 01:00:07,440
number ringing. 
Ring, ring, ring, ring. 

1515
01:00:08,300 --> 01:00:12,580
Person picks up. 
Make me a winner, teacher. 

1516
01:00:12,590 --> 01:00:13,720
Put the phone down straight 
away. 

1517
01:00:13,790 --> 01:00:18,000
Didn't say anything before. 
It was a radio show about to 

1518
01:00:18,010 --> 01:00:19,580
give him money. 
That's what is that on there? 

1519
01:00:19,690 --> 01:00:21,700
Ohh yeah. 
Ohh my. 

1520
01:00:21,710 --> 01:00:24,580
Gosh, the teacher put the phone 
down, went to their mates. 

1521
01:00:24,590 --> 01:00:26,180
I can't call them, I can't call 
them back. 

1522
01:00:26,190 --> 01:00:26,740
So. 
Funny. 

1523
01:00:26,750 --> 01:00:28,530
Do you know what? 
I, I I love that happened 

1524
01:00:28,540 --> 01:00:30,440
because I thought so many times.
I've listened to the radio 

1525
01:00:30,450 --> 01:00:32,120
thing. 
I'm like, there's gotta be some 

1526
01:00:32,130 --> 01:00:34,140
people who have just 
coincidentally been listening 

1527
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:36,320
to, had a phone call from 
someone and then shouted it and 

1528
01:00:36,330 --> 01:00:38,640
embarrassed themselves. 
Oh, sorry, no, you haven't got 

1529
01:00:38,650 --> 01:00:42,630
the. 
Job, that is make me, you know, 

1530
01:00:43,020 --> 01:00:45,270
I'm not a winner. 
I haven't won and I don't. 

1531
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,930
Have the job, mate. 
I tell you what, if if someone 

1532
01:00:47,940 --> 01:00:50,050
did that to me, if someone 
answered the phone to me saying 

1533
01:00:50,060 --> 01:00:53,100
make me a winner, there's no way
I would be able to resist the 

1534
01:00:53,110 --> 01:00:55,250
urge to go along with it. 
For a minute. 

1535
01:00:55,780 --> 01:00:58,430
I pretend I'd be like yes, well 
done, You have one. 

1536
01:00:58,500 --> 01:01:01,670
A child who broke the rules. 
This is your teacher speaking 

1537
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:06,600
here, apparently, by the way. 
Yeah, if you ask people, you can

1538
01:01:06,610 --> 01:01:08,090
tell them that. 
People don't always watch 

1539
01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:09,570
Hayden. 
Ohh yeah, if you're not watching

1540
01:01:09,580 --> 01:01:12,360
then you're missing out. 
So I'm making a phone. 

1541
01:01:12,370 --> 01:01:13,880
Simple. 
If you're not watching, make a 

1542
01:01:13,890 --> 01:01:16,530
phone symbol to here, right? 
Now is it with your small finger

1543
01:01:16,540 --> 01:01:18,020
and your thumb, That means 
you're old. 

1544
01:01:18,060 --> 01:01:19,960
Yeah, because you're used to 
like that kind of flip phone. 

1545
01:01:20,030 --> 01:01:22,220
What kids do now, apparently, is
just flat palm. 

1546
01:01:22,270 --> 01:01:24,440
Flat part they make like a claw.
Well, you know, like same 

1547
01:01:24,450 --> 01:01:25,760
planet, Yeah, just where you 
holding. 

1548
01:01:26,050 --> 01:01:26,830
Yeah. 
Wow. 

1549
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,300
There we go, Boomers. 
Boomers, We're all one now. 

1550
01:01:30,370 --> 01:01:33,650
We're all one eventually, so it 
works. 

1551
01:01:34,050 --> 01:01:35,870
It works, boy. 
Ohh dear. 

1552
01:01:35,940 --> 01:01:38,830
What age were we all vote Tory? 
Hmm, I don't know. 

1553
01:01:38,900 --> 01:01:42,990
Never. 
Let's wrap up Ohh political ohh 

1554
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,390
in there that you get that right
in. 

1555
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:45,830
There, don't forget, Rishi does 
listen. 

1556
01:01:45,900 --> 01:01:46,730
Does listen. 
Yeah. 

1557
01:01:46,740 --> 01:01:48,330
Does this joke. 
I think you're doing an 

1558
01:01:48,340 --> 01:01:51,710
absolutely stop now. 
Terrible. 

1559
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:53,630
Job. 
OK, guys. 

1560
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:55,420
Thank you so much for listening.
Thanks for making it this far. 

1561
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:57,790
And we'll see you again next. 
Time Check out our bite size 

1562
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:58,860
episode as well if you haven't 
already. 

1563
01:01:58,870 --> 01:02:00,350
This week is really fun. 
Bye.