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Hello everyone, welcome back to 
another episode of Teach Seat 

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Repeat. 
My name is. 

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Dylan, and my name is Hayden. 
And we're back with another 

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episode. 
It's just US 2. 

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Did we do a guest last week? 
We did. 

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We had because we recorded it a 
while ago. 

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That's why we're confused. 
Kate on didn't. 

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We have loads of guests lined up
obviously. 

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Yes, we definitely haven't done 
that thing again where we got 

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like four in a row and then we 
stopped booking anyone. 

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We are always on the lookout for
guests, so we'll see in the 

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future. 
But back to us for now. 

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And I've reflected on a few 
times. 

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People do like it when it is 
just us though. 

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Like they love the idea of the 
guests. 

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And I always got like not 
scared. 

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But I remember when we first got
guests and then we went to again

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a, a stint of us, just us two. 
I was really worried that not 

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everyone would think, ohh, just 
these two guys again. 

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But. 
But they love us, Dylan. 

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Yeah, they love it. 
I love that they love us. 

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And if they could choose to vote
for us, they would. 

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They definitely would. 
And I've no, no voting on my 

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mind for any reason at all. 
I don't know anything happened 

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this week. 
Nothing to do with the. 

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Episode which we've got. 
So anyway, before we get into 

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it, anything you want to let me 
know about? 

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Him right now. 
What about you? 

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I'm hyper aware of where I'm 
talking. 

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So Dylan, Dylan and ignore, 
ignore what he said the other 

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week. 
They're like, ohh, we've 

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upgraded our audio. 
It's much better now. 

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And it was the worst any episode
we've ever had. 

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So last week's episode didn't 
sound that great, and this week 

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we're really trying to talk into
the microphone. 

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So if this sounds great and 
crispy, then you know why. 

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But if it doesn't, then you also
know why. 

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It doesn't. 
Then I've just doubled down on 

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the idea that we think this 
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Anyway, I'm all good. 
How are you? 

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Your weeks been right. 
Yeah, fine. 

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It's half time. 
We've made it half term, so lots

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of people listening to this. 
Again, I know we've got 

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international listeners, so I 
really do apologise if it's not 

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half time for you. 
You're still working half time 

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here in the UK. 
And I'd forgotten it was half 

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term because obviously Hayden 
and I, we work Monday to 

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Wednesday and we do our tutoring
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week. 
But that meant that half time 

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for me actually started on 
Wednesday, but it didn't 

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register with me because we 
still had stuff to do. 

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You know, I work in week wasn't 
over. 

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So I wasn't like have have that 
huge relief about it's half term

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and he got to Friday and I'm 
sure he's going to talk to you 

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about his barbecue in a minute. 
But we we fired up a BBQ at 

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Hayden's he wanted to test. 
Out. 

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Don't worry, you talk about it 
very soon and and because 

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obviously we're British and as 
soon as it's only like right 

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BBQ, we don't have a barbecue 
and we're wasting the day. 

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Yeah. 
And I, I remember I was sat 

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eating an Oreo sandwich, like 
ice cream things because 

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obviously having a bit of sugar.
Now it's it's summer again. 

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Sorry, just never get and I got 
a text from my colleague who I 

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share the class with saying you 
come to the pub and other that 

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they're going to the pub for end
of end of term. 

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And I was like, oh, you did 
mention something last week. 

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I really struggled to pass 
things over between my week. 

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My week seems like two really is
split in half. 

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Yeah. 
Anything to do with school, I 

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kind of forget about it until 
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Yeah. 
By Wednesday evening it's done. 

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It's gone. 
It's like that Apple TV show. 

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Did you watch it, Severance? 
No. 

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So the whole, the whole point of
severance is there's like this 

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technology a bit further in the 
future where they implant 

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something into your brain and 
you go to work, but when you go 

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to work, you passed through like
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technology this like you gotta 
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You go to your floor to do your 
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off. 
It's almost like you turn into a

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different person. 
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So the point being like 
efficient. 

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Yeah. 
You literally from your point of

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view, you walk into work, you 
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immediately you walk out of the 
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And that whole 8 hours of work. 
That's so cool. 

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Yeah. 8 hours of work you've 
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You literally do not know what 
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I've heard good things about 
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It's an amazing watch at some 
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Yeah, because the whole, the 
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there on the outside, it's great
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experience work if you haven't 
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you don't have to experience 
work. 

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Isn't that cool? 
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the morality which is really 
interesting was you create you 

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on the inside. 
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You're also forcing yourself to 
only experience work. 

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And the whole idea is, is like, 
is that person as morally 

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valuable as you? 
And you follow both kind of 

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people. 
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Adam Scott is the lead in it and
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he's kind of like this 
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pretty bad life and wife passed 
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Yeah. 
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Yeah. 
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cause he's this like, hey, I, I 
love my job like an office like,

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you know. 
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what's going on his outside. 
Line and that exactly and the 

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whole point is in the job 
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starts and she slowly is like 
what all I'm doing is this is 

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all for all this is what's going
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this lift and like it develops 
into them trying to break out 

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and stuff but it turns out that 
spoiler alert anyone's gonna 

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watch this that that that woman 
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the company who are doing this 
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proof how this is this isn't 
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brilliant I'll prove it I'm 
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hilarious and she ends up 
breaking out yeah no but in the 

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end and and it's it's just 
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Thanks for ruining it completely
within 3 minutes there's. 

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There's a bit of evidence here 
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I would say to people that if 
you know how a show ends, you, 

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you scientifically enjoy more. 
Ohh really? 

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You scientifically enjoy things 
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You have to. 
Spoil, enjoy. 

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I don't watch it, I don't want 
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Yeah. 
That sounds good though. 

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Anyway. 
Really well off track there. 

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So yeah, I did hint at your BBQ.
Come on, talk about it. 

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There's not much to say because.
Most people want to hear about 

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it, obviously. 
I just, yeah, of course. 

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Dentist from last week, so I 
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Wow, you've ruined my next joke.
Sorry you ruined it. 

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I was about to do half ruined 
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I'm about to do a whole bit then
on pretending that dentists have

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called me from the dentist 
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it. 
Thanks, Tim. 

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Much funnier when you do it. 
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embracing the dad life. 
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And, and I was just saying just 
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podcast was like, OK, really 
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This will get him. 
This will get him nothing. 

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Gets past me, Hayden. 
Nothing. 

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Nothing. 
Including Joy. 

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Yeah, Bob, who's right? 
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fully embracing the 
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We'll stand around the BBQ the 
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talking about golf, me looking 
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my lovely freshly planted seeds 
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barbecue. 
And I just felt it's good. 

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It's a good place. 
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word, but I was gonna say. 
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Yeah, but it's not. 
What's the word for that? 

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Basic. 
Dad. 

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Don't know basic dad. 
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Does it got the dad bods? 
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that way before we were down. 
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talking about being on a diet. 
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tell me about it. 
I'm kind of trying on a diet. 

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They're like, ohh, yeah, the old
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But I was like, yeah, I'm trying
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I've gone past that. 
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younger, you remember people 
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we're talking about, like 
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There's one thing I wanna be 
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And, and what curvy actually 
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like stick thin. 
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horrible like environment of 
girls, like thinking they had to

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be so, so, so skinny. 
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I kind of feel like we're moving
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because people say dad bod, they
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stereotypical body of a dad with
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like quite a skinny bloke. 
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wider at the top than he is at 
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And it's a bit of a stomach 
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like, you know, hugely 
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And, and again, it's like it's 
turning into that, but it's 

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like, that's right. 
I've got a dad bod. 

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It's like that's not what they 
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They're. 
Getting better and better, these

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old dad bothering me, harder to 
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It's the dad. 
Yeah, it's the dad. 

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Chris Pratt. 
OK, in that case. 

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Yeah, it comes somehow as 
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Now, dad bod. 
Yeah, you gotta be earning a 

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couple of million a year as an 
actor. 

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Yeah, Dad bought is actually 
just give your salaries strange,

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but I want I want to talk about 
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mentioned crops go on. 
I am really embracing like, you 

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know, there's a few there's a 
few things you go through like 

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watershed moments growing up 
where you slowly realise that 

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you are an adult and and to me, 
one of them in is I can really 

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like separate people out here 
where people are age and their 

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opinion on Crocs, because I 
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us growing up that Crocs were 
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Crocs were horrendous. 
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it, but anyone who's in, like, 
their 30s, that turning 30, late

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20s, early 30s, I can tell a lot
about them by their reaction 

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when I say Crocs. 
Because if they're just like, 

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ohh, Crocs, Oh my 
My Crocs are my slippers around 

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the house. 
I have to admit I obviously 

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tried to wind you up every day 
because, you know, as you know, 

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Dylan's and then that doesn't 
like being, you know, his things

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being touched and all those 
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We've talked about dinner 
before, you know, go back and 

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listen to Yeah about dinner. 
But is that, what is that just 

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one? 
That was a bit weird talk about 

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you. 
And I was cracking up at the 

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idea that your mum didn't clock 
on that you were a bit strange 

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when you were eating silica 
packages in in Clarks or 

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whatever it was. 
Do not eat, I think I'll taste. 

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It wouldn't be anything else 
anyway. 

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Ohh God, that story is my 
favourite story. 

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But yeah, if I put Dylan's Crocs
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am one of those guys. 
Like Crocs, Crocs look stupid. 

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Put them on and I and I was a 
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and I thought these are nice. 
My first thought was these feel 

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good. 
Do you like in the movies when 

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like they rushes into their 
brain, they have like this 

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moment like just like 
Ratatouille when the food critic

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gives the food, when he gets 
back to his childhood with wide 

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eyes, wear Crocs. 
You have that moment of rural 

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comfort and joy. 
Yeah, I'm now thinking it might 

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happen. 
I reckon for my birthday 

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someone's gonna get me cross 
because I mentioned this. 

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I reckon Lauren. 
Yeah, it's part was clocked on 

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you. 
Said it quite loudly, I reckon. 

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Lauren. 
Yeah, the other side of this 

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door. 
Yeah, our producer. 

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Who? 
Who? 

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We just hide away. 
Yeah. 

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And make it sound good. 
Sound issues yes yeah Lauren 

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honestly yeah yeah, but Crocs, 
Crocs amazing but yeah pretty 

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good week I mean I'm I'm quite 
excited it's half time I feel 

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like my time doesn't exist 
anymore but. 

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You've been you've been 
messaging me at 5:00 AM a lot. 

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What's going on? 
Who's getting up at 5:00 AM? 

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This is unreal. 
Any other parents out there, 

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please message me and tell me 
I'm not alone. 

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Because. 
Because I'm pretty sure I can't.

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I'm obviously not the only one. 
I hate that phrase. 

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Am I the only one who and then 
insert something which is so 

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normal? 
Yeah, probably. 

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Generally one who has Weetabix 
with milk. 

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No, of course you aren't. 
What do you mean I'm I'm the 

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only one who sits on their chair
with their bum. 

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But. 
No. 

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Am I the only man in the world 
sitting down to wee? 

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Well, maybe. 
No I think I know more blokes 

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who said to me than who stand up
at this point. 

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It's come to you. 
We are entering the zone of just

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doing what feels good and not 
what is proper and that is why 

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I'm here for anyway Rory wakes 
up I I honestly there is about a

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4 minute window which is 458 to 
five O 2 and he wakes up in that

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window every single day and it 
doesn't matter. 

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This is what I don't get. 
If every day he had 4 1/2 hours 

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sleep and woke up like, ohh, his
body clocks developing, he could

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go to bed at six or half eight, 
right? 

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He would wake up at half one in 
the night and at 5:00 in the 

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morning. 
Yeah. 

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And when he wakes up at 5:00, I 
think ohh yeah, a bit of food 

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and like a bit of a rock. 
Maybe another hour. 

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No, no, no. 
Like about 5. 

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And it's hilarious because 
there's a difference when he 

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wakes up and he we know we'll go
back to sleep. 

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He kind of just like says yeah, 
because he clearly wants to be 

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asleep. 
And you know. 

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Yeah, 5:00 AM right? 
Because he is, his head is like 

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turning looking cuz he knows 
we're in the bed next to him and

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he's like turning and he just 
goes yeah. 

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And I'm like Oh my As soon as I 
hear they are, yeah. 

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You're not going back. 
That it's just you. 

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He's just mini. 
He's probably looking for silica

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packets. 
Is it? 

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Is it me? 
Do I do that? 

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Do I get up and walk my head? 
I'll go. 

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Honestly, yeah, when you're, 
when you're not around other 

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people, yeah, that's your true 
self. 

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That is you. 
Yeah, that's the other thing 

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about having a kid. 
Anything that he develops that's

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annoying, it's going to be just 
me. 

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Yeah. 
So it's gonna be hard to be 

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annoyed. 
Yeah, you'll, you'll remember 

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your child and be like, ohh, 
yeah, that's me. 

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That's weird. 
There isn't. 

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I think about the 5:00 AM thing.
It's strange. 

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I don't know. 
There's a link between the the 

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daylight that comes out of 5:00 
AM and him getting up every 

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single time there's something 
there that might be a. 

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Reason I'm trying to convince 
Lauren that has to do with that.

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Yeah. 
And she was like, Nah, I was 

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like that one logical thing I 
think it is, though. 

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I think it is. 
And then she was like, I don't 

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think so. 
And I was like, this is just 

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with. 
Animals historically don't wake 

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up when it gets light, do they? 
That's that is a definitely a 

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thing. 
They do wake up generally after.

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It's weird though, we're really 
up on the tangent here. 

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Like why do we go to sleep at 
like for like 8 hours? 

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Like aren't we really vulnerable
as animals? 

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I know we're not now because we 
got buildings and stuff, but how

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on earth did we evolve to get 
unconscious for eight hours? 

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In a row. 
I often think that such pathetic

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versions of our like primitive 
sales, aren't we? 

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Honestly, if if you just took 
away my house and like money 

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right now, I had nothing right, 
I'd be dead in a week. 

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Honestly, I wouldn't know what 
to do. 

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If you put me in like the best 
place for it as well like easy 

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survival, I still wouldn't be 
like ohh. 

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I'd already an. 
Evolution, feed me someone give 

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me water. 
I wouldn't know what to do. 

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Ohh no survivors go back Rd 
laughing. 

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What Finally here we there 
licking his lamb finally after 

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all these years? 
Yeah, Bear Grylls knows what to 

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do. 
We don't Bear Grylls and Ray 

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Mears. 
Ramiers Ray Mears was a better 

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version of hair growth. 
I used to love his hair. 

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Grows a Tory fraud? 
No, sorry, not talking politics.

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Politics today. 
Come on. 

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Ohh. 
At all. 

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No, not at all. 
Just wait half an hour. 

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No talk about SATS, right? 
Yeah, let's, let's go into our 

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little chat because this is the 
week as a recording, you're 

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listening to this. 
If you're listening to this 

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episode, the day it comes out, 
all the week comes out. 

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Last week the sats were 
released, so the embargo has 

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been lifted. 
Uh, Sats were taken by year six 

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children two or three weeks ago.
We're gonna go through papers, 

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have a lot of reflection. 
Yeah, quick reflection, quite a 

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few talking points online, few 
talking points heading likes to 

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go through the test being year 
six teacher and he found a few 

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very, very, very weird things. 
So we're gonna have a reflection

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there and reflection like rhymed
really nice with election. 

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And it's not that I'm political 
or anything, it's I don't 

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actually want the politics. 
We just use it in the title. 

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Yeah. 
So we talk about Sats. 

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Yeah, stay around the politics. 
OK, Hayden, are you all set with

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your framing? 
Your crotch. 

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Further back this time I was 
like, oh, I don't want my legs 

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in it. 
And they're watching on Spotify 

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in for a treat for the 1st 15 
minutes. 

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No, it wasn't is now looking at 
it, hopefully not. 

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We're going to see a big spike 
on the retention, like someone 

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rewinding. 
God, what's wrong with us? 

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Right, Hayden, you're a year six
teacher. 

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I sat where a couple of weeks 
ago and we go through all the 

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papers and stuff for our 
tutoring. 

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Like we we like to keep ahead on
that and do videos and stuff and

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explanations. 
Where would you put this year's 

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SATS papers on a scale of 
incredibly unfair and horrible 

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to too easy and there's no point
doing it. 

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Everyone can do all these 
questions. 

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Overall bang in the middle, I 
think you would you say, I 

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think, OK, it's weird. 
It's a good thing in the context

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of SATS, like whether OK, so 
just within the confines of 

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let's just assume we all think 
SAS is OK, Sure, this this, this

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set of papers was OK. 
So she's not gonna be discussing

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whether we should abolish Sats. 
We have done that, yeah. 

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We might mention it briefly, but
we have done in depth discussion

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about the Sats in general. 
But no, I think about the last 

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Sats and all of the controversy 
around the reading paper being a

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bit too hard and stuff. 
This one was still quite tricky,

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but it wasn't as bad as that. 
The maths I thought was 

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completely fair. 
I know you've had a little look 

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at the mass papers and the GPS 
was alright as well. 

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I just bought the whole process 
that that is exactly what that 

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is like. 
I didn't have really have any 

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major issues. 
There's a few little bits we can

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pick apart and a bit, but they 
they're small enough where it 

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wasn't enough to be like, ohh, 
there's whole sats. 

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There was a sham. 
It was so unfair for these kids.

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It was a fair bunch of. 
Tests so as an insight them for 

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anyone who wasn't involved in 
this act, whether they're a 

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teacher or even just a parent. 
What was your experience with 

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the children sitting in the 
papers? 

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Because I think a big thing a 
lot of people are interested in,

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interested in their well-being 
is, you know, that that's kind 

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of a big, you know, problem. 
Sometimes it think for long 

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parents especially. 
So again, having administered 

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the SATS and gone through it 
with your cohort, how did you 

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find that? 
Well, that's interesting, that's

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for it. 
Cause any of this stuff, if you 

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do write to us, if you have a 
comment, I know Dylan deals with

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Instagram, but please, if you've
got something to say because I'm

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genuinely so interested in other
schools and how this happened, 

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right? 
So this is me going for the 

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paper. 
So we did GPS and as always, I 

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think the GPS is weirdly timed. 
I like the majority of the 

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children sit in the test were 
finished with 20 minutes left, 

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15 minutes left. 
And I find that's quite often 

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the case of GPS because it's 
just 50 typically really quick 

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one mark questions and then. 
How long do they have? 

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Like 45 minutes. 
And I do find that children 

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generally with through that, 
which I find strange because 

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then when they do the reading 
paper, I think the next day the 

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reading paper to me every single
year. 

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I always think why is it so 
harshly timed? 

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They get so much extra time for 
the GPS and the same group of 

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children. 
By the way, I had about 30 to 40

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with me in the hall because I 
was administering the kind of 

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the bulk of the kids in our 
school, the same group of kids 

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that are all finished and sat 
there looking through their GPS 

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papers 20 minutes ago were all 
like generally all struggling to

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finish that paper. 
I I saw that 10 minute timer 

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sort of get to 10 minutes left. 
And I was looking around the 

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hall and I was thinking, wow, 
half of these kids are just 

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scrambling now to the third 
text, which typically requires 

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almost them 2020 minutes to do. 
Yeah, like a bit more than a 

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third, maybe 25. 
And yeah, I just thought, this 

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is just seems wrong. 
Like there's no way these kids 

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have all just suddenly now. 
Ohh I forgot how to read the GPS

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yesterday. 
It's like, no, the timings are 

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just off and I think that every 
year. 

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Do you think that's the biggest 
impact on well-being for the 

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children then? 
Like in terms of like we're 

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talking about the difficulty, 
the act of actually doing the 

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test, the timers, is that what 
you notice is like a bit of a 

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red? 
Flag I'd say that yes and and 

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I'd say it's 5050 with with the 
difficulty. 

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Sure. 
I think for well-being with 

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kids, if they find it 
challenging, if they find it too

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challenging, whatever that 
threshold is for them, I think 

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that's really negative on their 
well because it makes them feel 

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rubbish. 
Sure. 

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And I equally think that for any
difficulty for any kid, if then 

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if they feel like they're stress
because they're not finishing 

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it, and then I'll get an 
opportunity to show what they 

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can do, whether they're, you 
know, really high ability or 

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not. 
I think that's also a massive 

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contributor to them feeling 
really stressed after it. 

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Ohh, didn't get time to do the 
last three questions. 

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Which they could have. 
Thought they could have got 

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right and and they really wanted
to cause maybe it's. 

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Important to have a go at. 
It yeah. 

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And like, that's just not fair. 
So I think the reading comp just

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needs more time. 
I don't know why it is an hour. 

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The text seems to be getting 
slightly longer over the years 

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as well. 
So it takes a bit more time to 

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read. 
The questions are just getting a

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little bit more. 
Well, is that really in their 

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comprehension? 
Well, I've always found that 

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weird in terms of a timer for 
comprehension. 

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I know why timers existing 
tests, like I understand that 

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there are reasons. 
So someone's listening. 

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Well, of course you need a 
timer. 

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Yeah, you're OK You're testing. 
Can they get through a text 

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quick enough? 
And you know how, how quick do 

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you have to understand something
before you don't really properly

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understand it and all that kind 
of stuff. 

452
00:18:39,460 --> 00:18:43,620
But I, I still, my gut instinct 
with comprehension is that if it

453
00:18:43,630 --> 00:18:48,680
takes a child an extra minute to
get to the right answer, I don't

454
00:18:48,690 --> 00:18:50,940
think that matters. 
That's that's my opinion. 

455
00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,240
I agree, I think, I think there 
is a place for word reading 

456
00:18:54,250 --> 00:18:57,040
speed. 
Hmm, in terms of a some sort of 

457
00:18:57,050 --> 00:18:59,420
measure, maybe a kids ability to
read. 

458
00:18:59,470 --> 00:19:02,450
But yeah, I agree generally and 
especially when especially when 

459
00:19:02,460 --> 00:19:04,600
the majority of kids are 
struggling to read it like in 

460
00:19:04,610 --> 00:19:06,650
that time, I'm like, come on, 
this is not even reflecting like

461
00:19:06,660 --> 00:19:08,220
the average reader this sort of 
time. 

462
00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:10,320
So that was mental. 
And then with the maths 

463
00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:13,060
arithmetic mean, you seen the 
arithmetic paper. 

464
00:19:13,070 --> 00:19:14,840
I'll ask you what you what did 
you think of the arithmetic 

465
00:19:14,850 --> 00:19:17,200
paper in terms of like 
difficulty and stuff? 

466
00:19:17,290 --> 00:19:20,720
I, I've got, I've got probably a
potentially controversial 

467
00:19:20,730 --> 00:19:24,930
opinion on arithmetic in that 
having seen every arithmetic 

468
00:19:24,940 --> 00:19:27,660
paper for years now, because 
like I said, I always go through

469
00:19:27,670 --> 00:19:29,910
and, and model answers and do 
them. 

470
00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,570
I, I think, OK, you can come 
back to this. 

471
00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:39,170
I think that the average child 
in year six should aim for full 

472
00:19:39,180 --> 00:19:42,830
Marks and everything paper. 
And I know that some children 

473
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,870
who can't, some children who 
can. 

474
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,480
And when it comes to reasoning, 
the average child absolutely 

475
00:19:47,490 --> 00:19:48,710
would be nowhere near full 
marks. 

476
00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,240
No, same for reading comp. 
Same for GPS actually, in my 

477
00:19:51,250 --> 00:19:52,860
opinion, like you could do well 
in GPS. 

478
00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:56,070
There's a lot of weird stuff GPS
that go up when it comes to 

479
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,440
arithmetic. 
The processes involved in that 

480
00:19:58,450 --> 00:20:02,400
question, you could write them 
down and get every single 

481
00:20:02,410 --> 00:20:04,840
process that will come up before
the test comes up. 

482
00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:07,550
Yeah, you, you, you. 
OK, You will get an additional 

483
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,960
question with 11 number has 2 
decimal places. 

484
00:20:11,970 --> 00:20:13,350
One number has three decimal 
places. 

485
00:20:13,450 --> 00:20:17,240
You will get 2 fractions that 
have one as the numerator that 

486
00:20:17,250 --> 00:20:21,680
you multiply together. 
You will get a You will get a 

487
00:20:21,690 --> 00:20:24,100
fraction multiplied by. 
Sorry. 

488
00:20:24,170 --> 00:20:27,290
Provided by a whole number, you 
know, you, you can, you, you 

489
00:20:27,300 --> 00:20:29,660
will get short division, you 
will get this long division, you

490
00:20:29,670 --> 00:20:31,230
will get multiplication. 
It's the same. 

491
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,310
So yeah, my whole point there is
I suppose over over the course 

492
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:39,470
of four years or from year three
up to year six, I think that as 

493
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,850
teachers we should be aiming for
them to be able to answer every 

494
00:20:41,860 --> 00:20:43,790
question. 
And I think in year six 

495
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:48,070
especially the the average child
should sit down and have and 

496
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,560
been able to prove over the last
couple of months that they can 

497
00:20:50,570 --> 00:20:51,550
answer every single question on 
the. 

498
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,290
Test. 
Yeah, yeah, it sounds like a 

499
00:20:53,300 --> 00:20:55,230
really big stretch target. 
I think I'll just dive into it a

500
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,450
bit more because yeah, like you 
said with other tests, the 

501
00:20:57,460 --> 00:20:59,880
average child I don't think 
should be should be going the 

502
00:20:59,890 --> 00:21:01,380
50. 
Percent, I've been lined up the 

503
00:21:01,390 --> 00:21:04,250
children in the in the year in 
in the whole country who are in 

504
00:21:04,260 --> 00:21:06,060
year six. 
If you picked out the middle 

505
00:21:06,180 --> 00:21:08,340
code, yeah, my opinion is they 
should be able to answer the 

506
00:21:08,350 --> 00:21:09,540
question on the. 
Test Yeah, yeah, it should be 

507
00:21:09,550 --> 00:21:11,180
aiming 40. 
It's funny because I don't think

508
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:13,360
every child should be aiming for
full marks in maths in general, 

509
00:21:13,370 --> 00:21:15,480
no, but yeah, the arithmetic 
paper is just different, isn't 

510
00:21:15,490 --> 00:21:16,720
it? 
Is just very, very different. 

511
00:21:16,730 --> 00:21:19,890
And I yeah, I agree. 
I think some people probably 

512
00:21:19,900 --> 00:21:21,840
listen to thinking, come on, 
that's that's mad. 

513
00:21:21,850 --> 00:21:24,240
And realistically, the average 
is probably the average child 

514
00:21:24,250 --> 00:21:26,540
should probably be getting 
somewhere between 30 and 30. 

515
00:21:26,550 --> 00:21:29,000
I was gonna say probably. 30 But
I think what I really want to 

516
00:21:29,010 --> 00:21:30,040
stress is that you talk about 
aiming. 

517
00:21:30,050 --> 00:21:33,080
Yeah, average kid should aim for
40 out of 40. 

518
00:21:33,090 --> 00:21:35,830
And, and that's why I try to be 
really clear when I said should 

519
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,820
have proven honestly in the in 
the months beforehand, having 

520
00:21:38,830 --> 00:21:41,790
had four years of key stage two,
that there there should be 

521
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,010
nothing that could come up on 
that test which they have no 

522
00:21:44,020 --> 00:21:45,550
idea about. 
Yeah, there might be something 

523
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,230
on the test like maybe for, for 
example, long divisions, one I 

524
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,430
can think of straight away where
working out the multiples of 49 

525
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:52,630
might be really tricky for a 
child. 

526
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,630
Yeah. 
Or if they haven't learned their

527
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,970
times tables, a lot of the 
questions are going to be 

528
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,420
absolutely not be able to get 
there. 

529
00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:01,800
But my point is you should aim 
by year 6 to 9 your time. 

530
00:22:01,810 --> 00:22:04,830
Should be average year six kid. 
No, that's exactly the average 

531
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:05,550
kid. 
Should know that. 

532
00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:08,290
Well, there's some kids who 
can't. 

533
00:22:08,300 --> 00:22:10,140
It's like I know and I never 
expected to get. 4. 

534
00:22:10,150 --> 00:22:11,860
Yeah, yeah. 
So that, that's my opinion. 

535
00:22:11,870 --> 00:22:14,230
And having a look through the 
test, I thought the only thing 

536
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,490
that really struck a chord of me
where there were two things 

537
00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:20,050
where they at every single 
opportunity, it felt like they 

538
00:22:20,060 --> 00:22:22,300
formatted the question in a way 
that was different to what they 

539
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:24,970
thought the kids might see. 
Yeah, they they very, very, very

540
00:22:24,980 --> 00:22:30,050
often, almost too often. 
But the answer box first equals 

541
00:22:30,060 --> 00:22:31,880
and then the question. 
Yeah, which is such a small 

542
00:22:31,890 --> 00:22:33,820
thing, but. 
And, and I've got nothing wrong 

543
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:36,130
with that being on the paper, 
but it felt like they did that 

544
00:22:36,140 --> 00:22:38,060
about eight times. 
And it was, Yeah. 

545
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:41,590
And it was like, if you're gonna
test children on that and you 

546
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,260
know children won't get it, you 
are essentially saying they're 

547
00:22:44,270 --> 00:22:46,200
not gonna get 8 Times Now 
instead of just like three or 

548
00:22:46,210 --> 00:22:46,920
four. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

549
00:22:46,930 --> 00:22:49,320
And, and the other thing that 
really stood out to me, which 

550
00:22:49,330 --> 00:22:53,710
was crazy because this genuinely
doesn't matter in my opinion, is

551
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,360
the answer to almost every 
fraction question was a fraction

552
00:22:57,370 --> 00:23:00,760
that could have been simplified.
So for example, the answer I 

553
00:23:00,770 --> 00:23:02,390
think to one was something like 
46. 

554
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,050
The answer to another one was 
1420 firsts. 

555
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,140
And, and there was all I mean by
that is you will get the mark if

556
00:23:08,150 --> 00:23:11,540
you don't bother touching it. 
So if if it's let's say it's 

557
00:23:11,550 --> 00:23:17,610
2514, THS take away 414th, yeah,
you will get a mark for putting 

558
00:23:17,620 --> 00:23:19,600
twenty 114th. 
That's fine, Yeah. 

559
00:23:19,610 --> 00:23:22,640
But then if you try to simplify 
it and do it wrong because you 

560
00:23:22,650 --> 00:23:25,200
see it simplify, it could be 
simplified and for whatever 

561
00:23:25,210 --> 00:23:27,980
reason, maybe you put 14 / 7 or 
whatever it is you do. 

562
00:23:28,020 --> 00:23:31,460
Yeah, if you then try and do an 
extra step and then put that 

563
00:23:31,470 --> 00:23:33,080
down, you'd get it wrong. 
Yeah, you would. 

564
00:23:33,090 --> 00:23:35,640
Even though you've done the 
subtraction absolutely correctly

565
00:23:35,650 --> 00:23:38,830
and you've got the right answer.
And I just thought, wow, there 

566
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,110
could have been some points at 
least when it wasn't option 

567
00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:42,930
simplify. 
Yeah, but you weren't even. 

568
00:23:42,940 --> 00:23:44,150
Yeah. 
Because if you're gonna get a 

569
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,170
mark for not simplifying, that's
such a weird extra step to that 

570
00:23:47,180 --> 00:23:49,310
you can only lose by doing. 
That you're highlighting now 

571
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,710
really is that is that really 
nuanced stuff that I think 

572
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,770
teachers when you're 6, you just
sort of think we're just playing

573
00:23:54,780 --> 00:23:56,640
a game at this point. 
Absolutely we're playing a game 

574
00:23:56,650 --> 00:23:59,360
because you know what, on 
average, if you had two classes 

575
00:23:59,370 --> 00:24:01,710
and one of them you you really 
explicitly drilled to them 

576
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,980
because you know how the Sats 
works, right, You drilled to 

577
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:05,550
them. 
Never simplify your answer as it

578
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:06,810
tells you to. 
And the other one they did never

579
00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:08,630
mentioned it, but they were 
taught simplifying like they 

580
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,180
both would have been exactly. 
They're not there. 

581
00:24:10,190 --> 00:24:12,580
There's probably, there's 
probably a high chance that one 

582
00:24:12,590 --> 00:24:14,740
class of app would outperform 
the other, not based on ability,

583
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:16,720
but because they know the test 
technique and the other ones 

584
00:24:16,730 --> 00:24:18,500
were trying to do something. 
And there's obviously gonna be 

585
00:24:18,510 --> 00:24:21,050
the occasional accidental error.
Yeah. 

586
00:24:21,150 --> 00:24:24,860
You know, any extra steps opens 
up the possibility of accidental

587
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:26,040
errors. 
Nothing to do with ability. 

588
00:24:26,110 --> 00:24:27,280
Absolutely. 
It's just, yeah, it's really 

589
00:24:27,290 --> 00:24:27,790
funny, isn't it? 
So. 

590
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,740
That, that, that was my gut 
instinct having a look through 

591
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:31,560
the recipes. 
But I thought the content, as 

592
00:24:31,570 --> 00:24:34,130
always, I think it's gonna be 
really hard to find a year where

593
00:24:34,140 --> 00:24:36,080
you look at the requisite test 
and you think, oh, that's tricky

594
00:24:36,090 --> 00:24:37,480
because you just know what's 
gonna come up. 

595
00:24:37,490 --> 00:24:39,100
Every year there's like one or 
two questions. 

596
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:40,350
Ohh, didn't really picture like 
that. 

597
00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:43,110
With my kids, before putting 
those one year, it was something

598
00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:46,430
like I think it was four and 1/4
times no. 

599
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,070
Two and 1/4 * 39. 
They got two and 1/4 * 30. 

600
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,130
That's what it was, which again 
is not actually that tricky. 

601
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,290
You defeated 9 * 239 quarters. 
It's like it's almost like a 

602
00:24:56,340 --> 00:24:58,420
improper fraction to a mixed 
number question. 

603
00:24:58,430 --> 00:25:00,240
Or do you wanna make it into 
decimals and 2.7? 

604
00:25:00,250 --> 00:25:04,080
Whatever you wanna do. 
But I felt like again, if you're

605
00:25:04,090 --> 00:25:06,780
drilling as a year six teacher 
passed test questions past. 

606
00:25:06,790 --> 00:25:08,560
Papers never come. 
Up it's actually I don't think 

607
00:25:08,570 --> 00:25:10,600
it's come up before where 
something on 1/4 * 30. 

608
00:25:10,610 --> 00:25:12,160
Never. 
Which in fact, the only thing 

609
00:25:12,170 --> 00:25:14,240
that's come up with a mixed 
number of times, an odd number 

610
00:25:14,330 --> 00:25:16,540
is 1 1/2 right there. 
You've had like I remember the 

611
00:25:16,550 --> 00:25:20,110
classic 1 1/2 * 59 was that, was
that in the reasoning paper, 

612
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:21,660
something like that. 
And there was that. 

613
00:25:21,730 --> 00:25:23,590
There was that reasoning 
question that was like something

614
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,060
to do with the days on a 
different planet. 

615
00:25:25,070 --> 00:25:27,880
Yeah, that was like that. 
But you know, doing that 

616
00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:29,480
question, that is the correct 
curriculum. 

617
00:25:29,490 --> 00:25:29,990
Question. 
Yeah. 

618
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,780
And and actually it's. 
A good thing, I think that. 

619
00:25:31,790 --> 00:25:33,940
Came out funny because I taught 
that fairly recently as well. 

620
00:25:33,950 --> 00:25:36,080
Yeah, I was like, I was just 
looking at numbers and just 

621
00:25:36,090 --> 00:25:37,820
mixed numbers in the column is 
like if you ever get a mixed 

622
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:40,130
number times the number, then 
just partition it at all number 

623
00:25:40,140 --> 00:25:41,550
of times this and the fraction 
times this. 

624
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,330
Yeah, just put it back and. 
That's where actually, I would 

625
00:25:43,340 --> 00:25:46,020
say the more they can find for 
those questions in Arabic, I 

626
00:25:46,030 --> 00:25:47,620
actually get behind that for. 
Yeah. 

627
00:25:47,670 --> 00:25:49,410
Because, again, what you're 
doing is the opposite of what 

628
00:25:49,420 --> 00:25:50,960
you said. 
Someone who's been drilled to 

629
00:25:50,970 --> 00:25:52,980
test technique, if they only 
ever use the same Bank of 

630
00:25:52,990 --> 00:25:55,400
questions when it comes to the 
test, yeah, those test 

631
00:25:55,410 --> 00:25:56,470
techniques are gonna shine 
through. 

632
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,940
And I think you should be 
looking actively at a question 

633
00:25:59,950 --> 00:26:02,260
writer to find curriculum 
questions that aren't too 

634
00:26:02,270 --> 00:26:04,260
difficult but pitch nicely for 
the curriculum. 

635
00:26:04,330 --> 00:26:06,840
Yeah, that test children on 
their knowledge, not on their 

636
00:26:06,850 --> 00:26:08,100
test. 
Yeah, the question should be 

637
00:26:08,110 --> 00:26:12,750
when making it is OK, if a child
understands this concept, can 

638
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,260
they answer this question? 
Yeah, then call use it. 

639
00:26:15,270 --> 00:26:16,710
It's gonna come really nicely 
into a discussion. 

640
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,600
We're gonna have a minute about,
yeah, different questions. 

641
00:26:18,650 --> 00:26:20,780
I think maybe, Yeah, go on. 
Just final reflection on the 

642
00:26:20,790 --> 00:26:21,780
mask then. 
Yeah, realistic. 

643
00:26:21,790 --> 00:26:24,420
I agree with the right. 
I think most kids timing wise, 

644
00:26:24,510 --> 00:26:26,300
they were right with it. 
You know, especially I didn't 

645
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:28,280
quite a lot of my able 
mathematicians in there. 

646
00:26:28,290 --> 00:26:30,720
So they were finally finished. 
Quite what the reason because. 

647
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,430
The only thing this year it was 
the same last year, I think all 

648
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,460
the year before I can't 
remember, but reasoning paper 

649
00:26:35,470 --> 00:26:37,760
two was like distinctly harder 
than reasoning paper. 

650
00:26:37,770 --> 00:26:38,760
Three comes before. 
Right. 

651
00:26:38,770 --> 00:26:40,090
Yeah. 
So the 2nd paper they did, 

652
00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:42,680
there's three papers altogether.
The 2nd paper they did was so 

653
00:26:42,690 --> 00:26:45,750
much harder than the 3rd paper 
and all of this there's the 

654
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,350
objective is like really wrong 
with that. 

655
00:26:47,420 --> 00:26:50,350
I don't like it when it's that 
way around because the only 

656
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:53,110
thing I think can happen from 
that is it just put it just gets

657
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,330
some of the contacts up and 
knocks their confidence for that

658
00:26:55,340 --> 00:26:56,640
last Test. 
I just think the hardest one 

659
00:26:56,650 --> 00:26:58,610
should be at the. 
End full stop, because you 

660
00:26:58,620 --> 00:27:00,040
because kids are children are 
used to that. 

661
00:27:00,050 --> 00:27:02,660
And then I know a lot of 
children who after that first 

662
00:27:02,670 --> 00:27:04,600
because the the next test on the
next day. 

663
00:27:04,660 --> 00:27:07,110
So you've got a whole night of 
worrying and I know a lot of 

664
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:09,450
children were thinking what if 
paper to was like that? 

665
00:27:09,460 --> 00:27:12,350
Ohh, my gosh, paper three is 
going to be horrendous and that 

666
00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:13,440
was a bit weird. 
There's no need. 

667
00:27:13,450 --> 00:27:14,740
To do. 
It's just unnecessary that that 

668
00:27:14,750 --> 00:27:16,940
would be my only reflection. 
We're gonna talk very 

669
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:19,250
specifically about some 
questions, so we're gonna dive 

670
00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:21,450
in now because there are a few 
questions every year. 

671
00:27:21,780 --> 00:27:24,170
No, we've said in general we 
think it was quite a fair test. 

672
00:27:24,180 --> 00:27:25,100
I. 
Think it was quite a fair. 

673
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:27,730
Test and there's always going to
be tricky stuff and you can pick

674
00:27:27,740 --> 00:27:29,150
out. 
Last year there was a bit more 

675
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,920
than usual and there's a bit of 
a furore, especially I'm 

676
00:27:30,930 --> 00:27:32,470
reading. 
But there were still some 

677
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,490
questions this year which we 
just saw when we looked through.

678
00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:37,650
And then also online there's 
been a lot of debate and 

679
00:27:37,660 --> 00:27:41,380
discussion about yeah, my 
opinion on Sam is different to 

680
00:27:41,390 --> 00:27:43,490
your opinion on Sam. 
We have a good chat about 

681
00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:45,050
whether it's good or not to give
10 year olds. 

682
00:27:45,060 --> 00:27:46,630
This let's, Let's start with the
reading. 

683
00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:48,640
There's one question we've got 
here from the reading paper 

684
00:27:48,650 --> 00:27:51,620
because I, I, I was looking for 
it very, very intricately the 

685
00:27:51,630 --> 00:27:53,460
other day and I was looking at 
the mark scheme for every single

686
00:27:53,470 --> 00:27:55,440
question as well. 
And I stumbled across this 

687
00:27:55,450 --> 00:27:57,020
question right at the beginning 
of the paper. 

688
00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:59,470
And I genuinely can't believe I 
had to message Dillon cause 

689
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:00,750
normally I jumped the gun with 
these things. 

690
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,600
And he'll be like, no, you've 
just, you've just not seen this 

691
00:28:02,610 --> 00:28:04,440
thing. 
So I messaged Dylan and be like,

692
00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:07,100
is it just me or is this 
question completely wrong and 

693
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:10,490
actually just just broken? 
So here it is question three of 

694
00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:13,920
the reading comp paper. 
So you'd assume early on, but 

695
00:28:13,930 --> 00:28:17,080
easier as well. 
It says, how can you? 

696
00:28:17,090 --> 00:28:18,420
And this is an exact quote all 
the way. 

697
00:28:18,460 --> 00:28:21,650
How can you tell? 
Streaked tenrecs are social 

698
00:28:21,660 --> 00:28:24,550
animals for anyone listening is 
not in the same world the 10 

699
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,550
reps of these little creatures 
the whole text was all about. 

700
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,210
So that's not just like already.
There's. 

701
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,910
Non visual text about that. 
So they would have had some 

702
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,710
context. 
How can you tell their social 

703
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,470
animals now? 
The text says in a paragraph, a 

704
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:42,690
very short paragraph, it says 
both Lowland 10 Rex and St 10 

705
00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:45,910
Rex are very social animals. 
So I can tell them. 

706
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,680
Police says that and then the 
question says how can you tell 

707
00:28:49,690 --> 00:28:51,200
that that street terms are 
social animals? 

708
00:28:51,210 --> 00:28:54,020
Also question three, you assume 
it's gonna be easy and I looked 

709
00:28:54,030 --> 00:28:56,400
to the mark scheme and it's 
marked as a retrieval question 

710
00:28:56,410 --> 00:28:58,140
as well. 
So you so it's not even an 

711
00:28:58,150 --> 00:29:00,420
inference question where it's 
like you have to find evidence 

712
00:29:00,430 --> 00:29:02,180
to do it. 
It's it's labelled as a 

713
00:29:02,190 --> 00:29:03,880
retrieval. 
Question should just be in the. 

714
00:29:03,890 --> 00:29:05,150
Text. 
You just find the answer in the 

715
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,220
text and it's there. 
And then obviously me and a lot 

716
00:29:09,230 --> 00:29:11,740
of the kids, this is how I would
have answered it when I was 

717
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:14,440
walking around, I looked at that
and I thought, I'm gonna answer 

718
00:29:14,450 --> 00:29:17,720
that as. 
I would answer that as because 

719
00:29:17,730 --> 00:29:19,660
the text says they're very 
social animals. 

720
00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:22,710
Because it does. 
It literally says that it looks 

721
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,320
at the marking. 
It says do not accept the text 

722
00:29:25,330 --> 00:29:27,660
says that they are social 
animals or any reference to the 

723
00:29:27,670 --> 00:29:29,800
fact that the text says they're 
social animals. 

724
00:29:29,870 --> 00:29:32,510
Yeah, but the question is how 
can you tell our social animal 

725
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:33,910
unreal. 
I just think it's mad because 

726
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,100
really what they're trying to 
do, it's very poorly worded. 

727
00:29:36,110 --> 00:29:38,230
Very. 
What they're trying to say is 

728
00:29:38,290 --> 00:29:42,020
what evidence is there to prove 
that they are social animals and

729
00:29:42,030 --> 00:29:43,730
what they should have done is 
what they've always done in the 

730
00:29:43,740 --> 00:29:45,950
past, which is just quote the 
actual text. 

731
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,390
Yeah, say like show the quote 
and quotation Marks and say what

732
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,550
evidence that backs up the fact 
that their social animals. 

733
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,160
Then you obviously can't use the
quote that's in the question. 

734
00:29:54,170 --> 00:29:58,270
Yeah, because I suppose a lot of
children or defenders of this 

735
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,930
even might say some children 
will know that they shouldn't 

736
00:30:00,940 --> 00:30:02,850
repeat the question. 
Yeah, So the question says how 

737
00:30:02,860 --> 00:30:04,740
can you tell St Turmeric social 
animals? 

738
00:30:04,930 --> 00:30:07,660
I would argue it's pretty 
obvious from a teaching point of

739
00:30:07,670 --> 00:30:10,000
view. 
And some children might know you

740
00:30:10,010 --> 00:30:12,210
don't simply repeat the question
and the answer because that's 

741
00:30:12,220 --> 00:30:15,400
mad. 
However, in this exact case of 

742
00:30:15,410 --> 00:30:17,880
how it's worded, that is not 
wrong. 

743
00:30:17,950 --> 00:30:20,860
So to, to, for a mark scheme to 
say that it's wrong is 

744
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:22,250
unbelievable. 
And what it's actually doing is 

745
00:30:22,260 --> 00:30:24,180
undermining the text as a whole 
because what it's what it's 

746
00:30:24,190 --> 00:30:26,980
suggesting there is no, no, you 
can't actually trust the text 

747
00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:28,920
unless you then back up with 
more stuff from the text. 

748
00:30:28,930 --> 00:30:30,470
Now, isn't it never happened 
before like that? 

749
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,580
Yeah, that's that's never 
happened. 

750
00:30:32,590 --> 00:30:34,480
Yeah. 
It's always been the case where 

751
00:30:34,530 --> 00:30:35,900
there isn't a direct thing from 
the text. 

752
00:30:35,910 --> 00:30:38,650
You there's only evidence to 
back it up or there's not. 

753
00:30:38,690 --> 00:30:41,160
And if you write the quote and 
the question and then you answer

754
00:30:41,210 --> 00:30:43,450
justifying the quote by writing 
the quote, that's very 

755
00:30:43,460 --> 00:30:45,260
specifically what we teach. 
They're not there. 

756
00:30:45,270 --> 00:30:46,620
Yeah. 
You know, if you have a question

757
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:51,340
saying, you know, how do you, 
how do you know or, or can you 

758
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:54,060
explain something from the text?
If it's just written in that 

759
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:57,040
very simple turn of phrase, 
you're no longer explaining it, 

760
00:30:57,050 --> 00:30:58,130
just repeating it. 
Yeah. 

761
00:30:58,140 --> 00:31:01,050
So the explanation would be, and
it would force you to go to the 

762
00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:02,960
text, find the quote and then 
read on. 

763
00:31:03,250 --> 00:31:07,190
And that's a comprehensive. 
Question could be like how can 

764
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,660
you how can you tell that that 
street 10 rats like living 

765
00:31:10,670 --> 00:31:13,090
together Sure and it's OK 
because the text says are very 

766
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:14,410
social animals exactly. 
Fine. 

767
00:31:14,420 --> 00:31:16,910
And you kind of test in Word 
meaning to a degree there. 

768
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,830
Yeah, you know, in a way, 
because you need to know what 

769
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,280
social means. 
Yeah, but that's a normal 

770
00:31:20,290 --> 00:31:22,900
question that's come up. 
Yeah, that just really annoy me 

771
00:31:22,910 --> 00:31:25,750
because you know what there's 
there's there's going to be a 

772
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,930
huge amount of children who have
been drilled. 

773
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,640
Everything you do comes from the
text and found the evidence and 

774
00:31:31,650 --> 00:31:34,180
they were just logically put 
because the text says they're 

775
00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:36,310
very social and they're thinking
it's question three is an easy 

776
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,560
question and and. 
Taken out from that even, 

777
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:41,980
there'll be a whole bunch of 
children who have have got it 

778
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:43,750
right. 
That's the end of it. 

779
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,490
Like, yeah, there'll be a whole 
bunch of children who have 

780
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:46,510
answered that question 
correctly. 

781
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:47,510
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Who? 

782
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,420
Because of the mark scheme, 
because of the jumping through 

783
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:50,990
hoops that they want you to do 
Because. 

784
00:31:51,060 --> 00:31:54,330
Because the question doesn't 
test what the question writer 

785
00:31:54,340 --> 00:31:56,870
wanted to test. 
They've just made the mark 

786
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,240
scheme wrong because they're 
like, no, I don't want to test 

787
00:31:59,250 --> 00:32:00,120
that. 
It's like, well, write a 

788
00:32:00,130 --> 00:32:02,250
different question because that 
question isn't doing it. 

789
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:02,910
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

790
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,990
It's unbelievable. 
I'd say that to me. 

791
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,590
I'm going to say right now that 
is the only question out of the 

792
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,570
entirety of these tests, which I
think is just completely wrong. 

793
00:32:12,620 --> 00:32:14,760
I think there are some we can 
argue weird. 

794
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,520
There are some we can argue. 
Yeah, yeah, maybe too far, just.

795
00:32:17,530 --> 00:32:19,630
Straight up a mistake. 
I'd argue that it's just a 

796
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,280
terrible question. 
Yeah, it's wrong. 

797
00:32:21,290 --> 00:32:22,790
Yeah. 
Yeah, they would be able to 

798
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,930
defend that, I don't think. 
No, I think it's a good point. 

799
00:32:24,940 --> 00:32:26,610
Now we can move on to another 
question that popped up. 

800
00:32:26,620 --> 00:32:29,110
And again, I'd love to know, by 
the way, anyone listening, what 

801
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,850
your opinion is on this and 
especially if you're out of 

802
00:32:30,860 --> 00:32:33,620
school, are you aware this is 
what we're asking children to do

803
00:32:33,630 --> 00:32:34,760
when they're ten? 
And do you think that's 

804
00:32:34,770 --> 00:32:36,010
appropriate? 
Because I think that's, again, 

805
00:32:36,020 --> 00:32:37,730
it's a separate conversation, 
but I think it's really 

806
00:32:37,740 --> 00:32:39,460
important. 
Or if you are a teacher, did you

807
00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:41,000
notice some children really 
struggling on? 

808
00:32:41,010 --> 00:32:42,170
Some people get in touch with 
us. 

809
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,390
They will find us on Instagram 
at Teach St People there. 

810
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,580
Let me try one more time at 
Teach the Repeat podcast to find

811
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:51,240
us on Instagram. 
That is honestly the best way to

812
00:32:51,250 --> 00:32:53,330
get in touch because I don't 
actually really check anything 

813
00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:55,440
else. 
So if you just go to Instagram, 

814
00:32:55,630 --> 00:32:57,900
you might find a few reels. 
Again, I'm not sure of their 

815
00:32:57,910 --> 00:32:59,550
political and I'm not a 
political. 

816
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,790
Person No we're not. 
At the end of this episode and 

817
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,920
talk about politics. 
So this is a really good point 

818
00:33:05,930 --> 00:33:08,860
to go now because Hayden and I, 
we love arguing. 

819
00:33:09,490 --> 00:33:11,520
Some might say it's debating. 
I'd say it's just straight up 

820
00:33:11,530 --> 00:33:13,420
arguing. 
Sometimes for the sake of it. 

821
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:15,120
Yeah, because it's fun, even if 
we agree. 

822
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,990
I often take up an opposing view
of Hayden just to test his 

823
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,310
opinion. 
Sometimes opposing. 

824
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,930
Opposing of. 
You not opposing opposing this 

825
00:33:25,940 --> 00:33:27,430
one GPS paper. 
You sent me this. 

826
00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:30,410
Yeah, go on, you explained. 
It, it's a great question. 

827
00:33:30,420 --> 00:33:32,800
Yeah. 
And it's number change. 

828
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:34,610
Great question in terms of like 
to talk about. 

829
00:33:34,620 --> 00:33:38,490
OK, So it's #50 it's the last 
question on GPS paper, which is 

830
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,980
quite often really hard. 
If you look back at all the 

831
00:33:40,990 --> 00:33:43,330
previous papers, it's often #50 
it's proper nasty. 

832
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:48,690
And it says this circle, the two
adjectives that are synonyms in 

833
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:51,930
the sentence below and then the 
sentences. 

834
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,230
The street was lined with grand 
houses. 

835
00:33:54,420 --> 00:33:57,770
The modest cottage stood out 
amongst its imposing neighbours.

836
00:33:59,070 --> 00:34:01,710
So that's the question. 
Go on then, you reflect. 

837
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,770
First of all, what do you think 
about if you saw that for the 

838
00:34:03,780 --> 00:34:04,730
first time? 
What would you? 

839
00:34:04,740 --> 00:34:07,070
What do you think kids should be
doing to solve that question? 

840
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,989
OK, I'm actually going to flip 
it very quickly before I tell 

841
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:15,120
you that because the context was
Hayden sent me this saying this 

842
00:34:15,130 --> 00:34:17,480
is incredibly true. 
This is not good. 

843
00:34:17,489 --> 00:34:21,010
This is a bad question. 
They said it was really. 

844
00:34:21,020 --> 00:34:23,080
Well, but then also a lot of 
people were saying that then 

845
00:34:23,130 --> 00:34:24,900
that the answers are not 
synonyms. 

846
00:34:24,909 --> 00:34:26,770
Yeah. 
And and then my point was that 

847
00:34:26,780 --> 00:34:29,139
they are. 
So, you know, we can talk about 

848
00:34:29,150 --> 00:34:31,380
how difficult this question. 
Is disagree, I guess because I 

849
00:34:31,389 --> 00:34:33,239
don't think they are synonyms. 
Real. 

850
00:34:33,290 --> 00:34:34,670
No, not anymore. 
I've gone back around. 

851
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:38,139
OK, so OK, let's go for it then.
So my point here is circle the 

852
00:34:38,150 --> 00:34:40,719
two adjectives that are synonyms
in this sentence below. 

853
00:34:40,889 --> 00:34:43,500
Firstly, it's a circle, the two 
adjectives. 

854
00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:46,920
So straight away what I would 
expect children to do in this 

855
00:34:46,929 --> 00:34:48,500
case is you need to find two 
adjectives. 

856
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:52,010
I'd be looking through the text 
and I'd be finding two 

857
00:34:52,020 --> 00:34:53,429
adjectives. 
You might argue, well that's 

858
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,380
tricky because you might find 2 
and then there's actually 

859
00:34:55,389 --> 00:34:56,920
another one. 
Yeah, cause they're very used to

860
00:34:56,929 --> 00:34:59,330
having questions earlier on 
which are circle the two 

861
00:34:59,340 --> 00:35:01,410
objectives in this sentence and 
there are only two and that's 

862
00:35:01,420 --> 00:35:03,020
the point. 
So firstly, I'd say that's 

863
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:05,320
something you could argue is 
just a bit of a trick. 

864
00:35:05,370 --> 00:35:08,260
Circle the two adjectives, but 
they read on that are synonyms. 

865
00:35:08,270 --> 00:35:10,480
So that suggests that there are 
maybe more than two. 

866
00:35:10,850 --> 00:35:13,220
So I would look at this sentence
and I'd say, OK, well the 

867
00:35:13,230 --> 00:35:15,520
adjectives that are only three 
actually, and they come before a

868
00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:17,340
noun. 
So that's very bread and butter 

869
00:35:17,350 --> 00:35:21,520
for a year. 
Adjectives are grand, modest and

870
00:35:21,530 --> 00:35:23,880
imposing. 
And then, then comes the 

871
00:35:23,890 --> 00:35:26,620
second-half of the question, 
which is which to a synonyms. 

872
00:35:26,670 --> 00:35:28,460
Yeah. 
And again, in year six, I would 

873
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:31,120
expect the average child to know
that synonyms means has the same

874
00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:32,270
meaning. 
Yeah, it means the same. 

875
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,140
Thing words that mean the same. 
So grand, modest and imposing. 

876
00:35:36,730 --> 00:35:40,260
My opinion is it's very obvious 
that modest is the odd one out 

877
00:35:40,270 --> 00:35:41,260
there. 
Yeah. 

878
00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:44,400
And I would be saying, OK, well,
even if you didn't know what 

879
00:35:44,410 --> 00:35:48,740
these words completely meant to 
grand and imposing you, in my 

880
00:35:48,750 --> 00:35:52,210
opinion, if you're at a higher 
level of your GPS understanding 

881
00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:55,350
and if you can identify 
adjectives and you know synonyms

882
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,590
means the same thing. 
I actually think this is a 

883
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,810
really good question to test 
that Can you identify synonyms 

884
00:36:00,820 --> 00:36:02,570
even with you're unsure what 
words fully mean? 

885
00:36:02,860 --> 00:36:07,700
And again, my point is we need 
to have a scale of difficulty on

886
00:36:07,710 --> 00:36:10,470
questions, otherwise we just go 
for the lowest common 

887
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,220
denominator and the whole test 
would be really easy. 

888
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:14,170
So yeah, yeah. 
For example, a synonym question 

889
00:36:14,180 --> 00:36:17,540
might be match the synonyms at 
its most basic level. 

890
00:36:17,550 --> 00:36:18,390
Yeah. 
And that was one like that 

891
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,560
earlier. 
Yeah, there you go. 

892
00:36:19,570 --> 00:36:23,780
So this clearly has been 
designed to put two kind of 

893
00:36:23,830 --> 00:36:26,180
strands together, which alone 
can be quite simple. 

894
00:36:26,490 --> 00:36:29,050
Then make it tricky because the 
words are tricky as well with 

895
00:36:29,060 --> 00:36:31,060
word meaning. 
And I think it's a really good 

896
00:36:31,070 --> 00:36:34,260
last question is my opinion. 
And what what was your biggest 

897
00:36:34,270 --> 00:36:36,050
issue with the question? 
Let's dive into let's. 

898
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:37,970
Is it? 
Cause it's almost like it's not.

899
00:36:37,980 --> 00:36:39,820
It's not like I just 
fundamentally disagree with that

900
00:36:39,830 --> 00:36:42,670
because I actually do over. 
It's a separate point I thought.

901
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,800
You said your last question. 
I think you can solve it in a 

902
00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:46,890
really interesting way. 
Like you said, if you read the 

903
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:49,710
modest cottage stood out amongst
its imposing neighbours. 

904
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,400
Yeah, from that sentence alone, 
even if you didn't know what 

905
00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:54,910
modest imposing meant, knowing 
their adjectives, the way their 

906
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,890
sentence is phrased, you know 
they mean opposite then. 

907
00:36:56,900 --> 00:36:57,330
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

908
00:36:57,340 --> 00:36:59,070
So that immediately gets rid of 
one of them. 

909
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,410
And then you just have to work 
out. 

910
00:37:00,490 --> 00:37:02,820
The brand to be modest. 
Exactly that. 

911
00:37:02,830 --> 00:37:04,690
So we've test technique. 
I think you can solve this 

912
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:06,990
question and it's a really good 
last hard question. 

913
00:37:07,060 --> 00:37:10,750
My problem with it was just 
literally like the raw 

914
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,520
understanding of of synonyms. 
I just, I don't think that in 

915
00:37:15,530 --> 00:37:17,080
this sentence, and that's what I
want to stress. 

916
00:37:17,090 --> 00:37:20,540
It says our synonyms in the 
sentence below. 

917
00:37:20,590 --> 00:37:23,820
I don't think grand and imposing
are synonyms in that sentence. 

918
00:37:23,830 --> 00:37:27,000
I know they are synonyms outside
of the context of this question,

919
00:37:27,130 --> 00:37:29,520
but I just don't think they are 
synonyms, and they're not close 

920
00:37:29,530 --> 00:37:31,410
enough in meaning to. 
Actually be though so. 

921
00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:34,970
So my point here is you're, 
you're imposing a different 

922
00:37:34,980 --> 00:37:37,860
definition, by the way, as a 
verb, because this is imposing 

923
00:37:37,870 --> 00:37:40,030
as an adjective. 
You are kind of put, you are 

924
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,200
projecting your understanding of
these words onto this sentence. 

925
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:46,870
In that sentence they are 
actually used emphasise, are 

926
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:47,520
they? 
Yeah. 

927
00:37:47,530 --> 00:37:49,000
The street was lined with grand 
houses. 

928
00:37:49,140 --> 00:37:50,710
Let's imagine, let's just 
imagine it. 

929
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:52,650
They mean big. 
OK Yeah, the street was lined 

930
00:37:52,660 --> 00:37:54,900
with big houses. 
The small cottage stood out 

931
00:37:54,910 --> 00:37:57,090
amongst its big neighbours. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

932
00:37:57,100 --> 00:37:59,900
From the authors point of view, 
you, you are kind of saying, 

933
00:37:59,910 --> 00:38:01,910
well, it's not used in this way.
And I was like, well, it could 

934
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,370
be Yeah, it could be. 
Because if we swap big, then 

935
00:38:05,380 --> 00:38:06,610
that's exactly what the author 
means. 

936
00:38:06,620 --> 00:38:09,370
And my, my only point here is if
you search what is the 

937
00:38:09,380 --> 00:38:12,590
definition of imposing? 
Yeah, it the first word of the 

938
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,440
definition is grand. 
Yeah, I'm not gonna disagree 

939
00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:16,390
with that. 
But my my point is, those two 

940
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,310
words literally mean large. 
And I think an argument that 

941
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,860
says, well, I don't use it, I 
use it, I use them in different 

942
00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:26,690
contexts is just irrelevant like
they. 

943
00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:29,210
Literally just been basically. 
I don't think it's irrelevant. 

944
00:38:29,250 --> 00:38:32,300
I think it's relevant enough to 
confuse children in this 

945
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:33,730
because. 
I think it's supposed to confuse

946
00:38:33,740 --> 00:38:35,090
them. 
Yeah, yeah, I get it. 

947
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:37,310
I get question 50, but I just 
think it went a bit too far. 

948
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,470
I don't know, maybe it. 
Didn't you're saying earlier in 

949
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,430
the text it had a very simple 
synonyms question? 

950
00:38:41,540 --> 00:38:44,010
So how on earth do we make 
synonym questions harder? 

951
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:46,150
There's only two ways in my 
opinion, to make synonyms 

952
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,370
question harder. 
One pick words that no children 

953
00:38:48,380 --> 00:38:49,620
will know. 
It's pointless. 

954
00:38:49,630 --> 00:38:51,610
I think you did without the 
context of the sentence, but 

955
00:38:51,620 --> 00:38:54,150
that would be just as hard if it
was like Brandon imposing. 

956
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,410
Are they synonyms or? 
Antonyms. 

957
00:38:55,420 --> 00:38:56,760
This. 
This is this is my point, 

958
00:38:56,770 --> 00:38:57,510
though. 
Hmm. 

959
00:38:57,550 --> 00:39:01,430
Like if what we're doing here is
we're making it trickier because

960
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:03,790
if we just did it straight up, 
two words that children won't 

961
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:04,730
have heard of. 
Yeah. 

962
00:39:04,740 --> 00:39:07,630
That is literally Eva. 
You're testing word knowledge 

963
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:08,500
then. 
Yeah. 

964
00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:10,470
You're not actually testing if 
you know synonyms are. 

965
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,380
What I think this question does 
really well is you can know what

966
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:18,180
synonyms are and get to the 
right answer without actually 

967
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:19,830
fully knowing what these words 
mean. 

968
00:39:20,370 --> 00:39:22,560
That's the only testing what 
synonyms. 

969
00:39:22,570 --> 00:39:24,570
Do do you think this is 
interesting? 

970
00:39:24,580 --> 00:39:26,370
I thought I had when I was 
talking to someone about it. 

971
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,410
Do you think that this question 
would be easier to do if you had

972
00:39:30,420 --> 00:39:33,910
never actually experienced the 
words grand and imposing in real

973
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,280
life for force you had no 
understanding? 

974
00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:38,710
It depends. 
It depends how you've how you've

975
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,620
come across them. 
There's a lot of assumption. 

976
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:43,030
Going on, so you've never got my
point is you've never seen the 

977
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,630
word grand or imposing before. 
So it's like proper you just 

978
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,710
going back to like you're just 
using the whole thing that well,

979
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:49,930
I know modest and imposing must 
be opposite based on that 

980
00:39:49,940 --> 00:39:52,670
sentence and you're using that 
technique versus children who 

981
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,390
maybe have a really good 
understanding of what they've 

982
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,110
seen grand use loads in text and
they've seen imposing user loads

983
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,790
in texts. 
Yeah, I guess my overall point 

984
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,050
here is I think it's a 
disadvantage to know what they 

985
00:40:01,060 --> 00:40:03,940
mean and and. 
Because I think the overlap is 

986
00:40:03,950 --> 00:40:07,500
so small and not used in real 
life like grand is is 

987
00:40:07,570 --> 00:40:10,220
exclusively used exclusive easy 
isn't. 

988
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:12,710
It it's not exclusive. 
It's not exclusive, though. 

989
00:40:12,750 --> 00:40:14,150
I don't think so. 
No one uses grounded. 

990
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,800
We'll never. 
It will never be used not to be 

991
00:40:15,810 --> 00:40:18,140
a positive. 
Connotation is very often but 

992
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:20,690
and again, OK, so I guess my 
whole point stepping back again,

993
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:23,200
there is fine. 
Like it is used as a positive 

994
00:40:23,210 --> 00:40:26,230
word, but it's always used to 
mean big. 

995
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:29,050
And if someone uses it in a way 
that doesn't mean big, they're 

996
00:40:29,060 --> 00:40:31,060
using the word incorrectly. 
We can't. 

997
00:40:31,070 --> 00:40:33,480
We can't. 
You can't, you know, gonna test.

998
00:40:33,490 --> 00:40:35,810
Well, some people get this 
wrong, so we won't put it in. 

999
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,600
No, that's the reason why it's 
been putting in. 

1000
00:40:37,610 --> 00:40:38,020
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1001
00:40:38,030 --> 00:40:41,010
Because if someone uses grand 
and it's not large, then they're

1002
00:40:41,020 --> 00:40:42,800
wrong. 
But that is not what the way 

1003
00:40:42,810 --> 00:40:44,430
means. 
And if someone's using imposing 

1004
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,720
only in a negative context, that
that doesn't mean it doesn't 

1005
00:40:47,730 --> 00:40:50,610
mean big, it means it means big 
and scary. 

1006
00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:52,940
Yeah, but like the point you can
argue that that doesn't mean big

1007
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:56,300
in that one imposing neighbours 
that that is probably more often

1008
00:40:56,310 --> 00:40:58,840
used to mean like neighbours 
that are like literally like 

1009
00:40:58,850 --> 00:41:00,760
getting, getting in your way, 
they're overbearing or. 

1010
00:41:00,770 --> 00:41:02,090
Their overwhelming. 
That's using. 

1011
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:03,450
That's using the verb, not the 
adjective. 

1012
00:41:04,370 --> 00:41:06,640
No, I I can impose my name is 
encroaching on someone. 

1013
00:41:06,690 --> 00:41:09,070
I I've got imposing neighbours. 
I could say that the house is 

1014
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,440
exactly the same size as mine, 
but why they say they're not 

1015
00:41:11,450 --> 00:41:12,460
imposing? 
That's my point. 

1016
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,980
You're using the word wrong that
you haven't got imposing them 

1017
00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:16,580
because they're bigger than you.
No, I could do. 

1018
00:41:16,590 --> 00:41:18,180
I could be describing them as 
imposing, surely. 

1019
00:41:18,190 --> 00:41:19,830
How? 
Because they're like they're 

1020
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,690
overbearing. 
They're they're they're. 

1021
00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:23,170
Being so large in a different 
sense. 

1022
00:41:23,180 --> 00:41:26,780
Yeah, but like metaphorically. 
Yeah, but why? 

1023
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:28,150
Why is that? 
There doesn't have to be 

1024
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:29,700
physical size, right? 
Now. 

1025
00:41:29,710 --> 00:41:32,360
But it's just my name is just 
supposing without specifically 

1026
00:41:32,370 --> 00:41:33,600
meaning they are physically. 
Matter. 

1027
00:41:33,610 --> 00:41:36,100
I also think in that case you're
using a slightly different 

1028
00:41:36,110 --> 00:41:37,630
definition. 
Yeah, but you don't know what 

1029
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:38,960
the definition it could be 
either in that one. 

1030
00:41:38,970 --> 00:41:40,600
There's no reason to believe 
that that. 

1031
00:41:40,650 --> 00:41:42,490
So you're. 
Saying neighbours is kind of 

1032
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:44,280
like the size of the house. 
So do you think never in 

1033
00:41:44,290 --> 00:41:46,980
synonyms questions we should use
words that have more than one 

1034
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:49,470
meaning? 
No, but there's no way to 

1035
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,150
actually know in that one. 
There is because it's either 

1036
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,660
modest or grand like that. 
There there. 

1037
00:41:54,670 --> 00:41:55,990
There are no other synonyms in 
that. 

1038
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,570
Question, you know, I know, but 
I'm just saying you could argue 

1039
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,790
and we're just gonna assume that
when we're saying posing 

1040
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,750
neighbours, we talk about the 
size of the houses was it could 

1041
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,610
that it could very like 
legitimately mean they're 

1042
00:42:05,620 --> 00:42:06,910
imposing. 
Fine, that's fine. 

1043
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,680
But I'm saying so in any case 
where there's more than one 

1044
00:42:09,690 --> 00:42:12,570
definition for a word, you could
say, well, it might mean this. 

1045
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,510
Yeah, that's fine, but the next 
word should actually just make 

1046
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,530
it clear that is one context or 
the other if it's if. 

1047
00:42:17,540 --> 00:42:19,290
It's important. 
I, I think I just disagree. 

1048
00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:23,390
I think this is just a hard 
question and I I can't get over 

1049
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,180
the fact that they literally 
mean the same thing. 

1050
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:27,390
Like, honestly, someone could 
sit there for an hour and 

1051
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,740
explain to me how they've used 
it wrong in the past. 

1052
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:31,480
Or other people might use it in 
a different context. 

1053
00:42:31,530 --> 00:42:34,510
Like I, I, my response always 
would be yeah, but they do mean 

1054
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:35,560
they they mean. 
Big. 

1055
00:42:35,570 --> 00:42:38,060
I reckon even taking out the in 
the sentence below would 

1056
00:42:38,070 --> 00:42:40,850
actually help a little in terms 
of they're just synonyms, 

1057
00:42:40,860 --> 00:42:42,740
because I just think it's such a
big argument for that that 

1058
00:42:42,750 --> 00:42:44,530
they're not. 
They're as far away from 

1059
00:42:44,540 --> 00:42:47,290
synonyms as it gets in the 
context of that sentence with 

1060
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:48,790
two words that are technically 
synonymous. 

1061
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,930
Dictionary definition. 
That's my point I guess, 

1062
00:42:51,340 --> 00:42:53,780
overall. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

1063
00:42:53,790 --> 00:42:55,470
I don't know. 
Yeah, it's funny cause I've just

1064
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,170
gone for the black and white 
route of. 

1065
00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:59,270
Yeah, the Arsenal games. 
Though they mean the same thing.

1066
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:00,230
Though, Yeah, no, I know. 
I get it. 

1067
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:00,950
Yeah. 
And it's not wrong. 

1068
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,730
Like that's all. 
I will make that really clear. 

1069
00:43:02,740 --> 00:43:03,890
Yeah. 
I don't think this question is 

1070
00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:05,650
incorrect or wrong. 
I just think it's really hard 

1071
00:43:05,660 --> 00:43:06,810
and and I was trying to explore 
why. 

1072
00:43:06,820 --> 00:43:07,930
I don't know what you guys 
think. 

1073
00:43:07,940 --> 00:43:10,830
I'm I again, I I don't want 
people to think I'm saying it's 

1074
00:43:10,890 --> 00:43:13,050
a easy question. 
No, no, no, it's a hard 

1075
00:43:13,060 --> 00:43:15,450
question. 
I'm simply arguing that it's not

1076
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:16,390
a bad. 
Question. 

1077
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,350
It's solvable. 
Yeah, it's it's a hard question,

1078
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,600
which isn't wrong. 
Yeah, and lots of kids have got 

1079
00:43:21,610 --> 00:43:24,290
it right with the exact logic as
we thought of and they wouldn't 

1080
00:43:24,300 --> 00:43:25,680
have remotely thought what I'm 
thinking of. 

1081
00:43:25,690 --> 00:43:28,270
No, I just or they might have 
known that grounded imposing. 

1082
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,580
Both mean big because they. 
Do. 

1083
00:43:29,630 --> 00:43:31,960
Yeah, yeah, which is true. 
I can't argue with that. 

1084
00:43:31,970 --> 00:43:32,600
They do mean. 
Cool. 

1085
00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:35,160
There's another question. 
Yeah, this was in a maths. 

1086
00:43:35,450 --> 00:43:37,510
I found this fascinating. 
I want to explain exactly what 

1087
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,380
happened in this situation. 
So this is from the master paper

1088
00:43:40,490 --> 00:43:42,780
for year six children who are 10
and 11 year olds. 

1089
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:45,810
What did someone find? 
A more interesting way, I'm 

1090
00:43:45,820 --> 00:43:48,280
gonna read out two questions to 
you, and I want you to just you 

1091
00:43:48,290 --> 00:43:51,290
can tell me and you can think if
you're listening, what the 

1092
00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:51,900
difference is. 
Really. 

1093
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:54,770
I guess there's one question. 
OK, that zoom in, I can't read 

1094
00:43:54,780 --> 00:43:56,430
it. 
Chin. 

1095
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,370
Good old Chen Chen buys these 
four items. 

1096
00:43:58,380 --> 00:44:00,390
I wonder what test this was from
Rechen. 

1097
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,980
Yeah. 
Yeah, OK, For items you got 670 

1098
00:44:04,990 --> 00:44:09,170
grammes of apples, 1 LB fifty, 
400 grammes of bread for nought 

1099
00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:14,440
#71 reading, as it says. 
Other women certainly pay full 

1100
00:44:14,450 --> 00:44:15,400
impact of the pound. 
Sign. 

1101
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:16,770
Not every time. 
So it's in Pence. 

1102
00:44:16,850 --> 00:44:19,730
Not pounds, yeah, not pounds. 
500 grammes of butter, but 

1103
00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:21,980
there's no price. 
And then there's 750 grammes of 

1104
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:24,390
cereal for £1.45. 
And it says Chen pays for the 

1105
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,360
four items with a £10 note. 
The price of the butter is not 

1106
00:44:27,370 --> 00:44:30,600
shown. 
She receives £3.85 change. 

1107
00:44:30,610 --> 00:44:31,720
So what was the price of the 
butter? 

1108
00:44:31,730 --> 00:44:32,740
That's a fantastic. 
Question. 

1109
00:44:32,750 --> 00:44:34,330
Great question. 
I love that question is really 

1110
00:44:34,340 --> 00:44:35,470
good. 
And there's another question I'm

1111
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,180
gonna read to you. 
Danny buys one loaf of bread for

1112
00:44:38,190 --> 00:44:43,900
one pound, 21 bottle of milk for
70 P, It says 70 P this time 2 

1113
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:46,740
packets of cheese with £2.30. 
Each packet. 

1114
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:50,700
Danny pays with a £10 note. 
He says I should get £3.30 

1115
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:52,460
change. 
Is Danny correct? 

1116
00:44:52,510 --> 00:44:54,540
You must show how to get your 
answer. 

1117
00:44:55,150 --> 00:44:58,300
They're two very different, 22 
very similar sorry questions. 

1118
00:44:58,390 --> 00:45:00,920
One is from the year 6 Sats and 
one is from GCSE. 

1119
00:45:01,650 --> 00:45:03,780
And people might already be 
like, well that's crazy. 

1120
00:45:03,790 --> 00:45:05,920
I don't think that's crazy 
because actually the GCSE does 

1121
00:45:05,930 --> 00:45:08,270
go right back and it's like the 
Sats has year three questions 

1122
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,690
in. 
The GC also has some easier 

1123
00:45:09,700 --> 00:45:10,740
questions in it. 
That's fine. 

1124
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,570
I'd argue the GC one is actually
easier. 

1125
00:45:12,610 --> 00:45:14,040
Yeah, I'd say it's a little bit 
easier the. 

1126
00:45:14,050 --> 00:45:16,970
Missing unknown like you know. 
Exactly that and, and the 

1127
00:45:16,980 --> 00:45:18,680
problem people have in this, I 
got this from Facebook, the 

1128
00:45:18,690 --> 00:45:21,980
problem people were having was 
that GCSE one gives you 3 marks,

1129
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:23,540
right? 
And it's two marks on the Sats 

1130
00:45:23,550 --> 00:45:25,590
question. 
And their point was for God's 

1131
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,440
sake, why are 11 year olds like 
expected to do this kind of in 

1132
00:45:28,450 --> 00:45:30,120
two steps? 
Because it can be done in two 

1133
00:45:30,130 --> 00:45:33,280
steps, by the way, both of them.
But like in GC, they're awarded 

1134
00:45:33,290 --> 00:45:34,930
kind of more marks. 
And I guess the straight up 

1135
00:45:34,940 --> 00:45:38,240
counter argument could be maybe 
everything proportionally gives 

1136
00:45:38,250 --> 00:45:40,790
you more Marks and GCSE's, in 
which case it's it's an 

1137
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,850
irrelevant comparison then if 
everything gives you a bit more 

1138
00:45:42,860 --> 00:45:44,300
marks. 
Anyway, I would also argue that 

1139
00:45:44,310 --> 00:45:47,200
the GCSE one, there are two 
steps mathematically, but then 

1140
00:45:47,210 --> 00:45:49,230
you also have to explain whether
he's right or wrong. 

1141
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:51,120
Yeah, so you are, you are 
actually doing another step 

1142
00:45:51,130 --> 00:45:51,660
there. 
Yeah. 

1143
00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:54,120
So it says, is Daisy correct? 
You must show evidence. 

1144
00:45:54,130 --> 00:45:56,770
So you're getting your two marks
for doing your maths, and then 

1145
00:45:56,780 --> 00:45:58,150
you've got to write a sentence 
to explain. 

1146
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,760
What you do actually because is 
there any correct? 

1147
00:45:59,770 --> 00:46:02,370
Could be yes or no and I think 
the evidence is just the maths 

1148
00:46:02,380 --> 00:46:04,350
like it would be in the. 
Here I'm using the masking 

1149
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,480
productivity I'm assuming. 
I'm assuming there's a mark for 

1150
00:46:06,490 --> 00:46:08,220
saying. 
Yes or no, you must show how you

1151
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:08,720
get your. 
Answer. 

1152
00:46:08,730 --> 00:46:09,620
I don't know. 
I don't. 

1153
00:46:09,630 --> 00:46:12,860
Know, but yeah, it's interesting
how they're thirty of the same 

1154
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:16,600
sort of questions. 
Yeah, four years later. 

1155
00:46:17,010 --> 00:46:18,960
There was something else in that
question I saw a lot of people 

1156
00:46:18,970 --> 00:46:23,420
say and I, I really disagree 
with them again, which is that 

1157
00:46:23,470 --> 00:46:25,870
in this question you've just 
described, again, if you 

1158
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,220
remember Hayden reading out, he 
read all the weights of the 

1159
00:46:29,230 --> 00:46:32,680
items that they've purchased. 
And at no point in the question 

1160
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:35,540
are the weights used to get to 
the answer relevant. 

1161
00:46:35,590 --> 00:46:39,260
And I, my opinion on that is 
that I completely sympathise 

1162
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:42,880
with people who say, oh, they're
10 and 11, Why are we giving 

1163
00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:44,240
them information they don't 
need? 

1164
00:46:44,250 --> 00:46:46,970
Solved question because it's 
hard enough to understand that 

1165
00:46:46,980 --> 00:46:49,650
they've got to find the total of
the amount that's there, work 

1166
00:46:49,660 --> 00:46:52,430
out the change and then what's 
left still for how much the 

1167
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:53,730
butter. 
But, and I would completely 

1168
00:46:53,740 --> 00:46:55,830
agree with those people. 
And I would say if that if the 

1169
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,210
weights were in this question, I
wouldn't bat an eyelid. 

1170
00:46:58,260 --> 00:47:00,410
I'd be like, cool, that's still 
a fantastic question. 

1171
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,410
I still think it's a fantastic 
question. 

1172
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:07,670
But I, I think it's fair in a 
problem solving question to put 

1173
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,030
information that children have 
to decide whether it's relevant 

1174
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,310
or not. 
And I would argue that it's not 

1175
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,910
hard in that question to very 
quickly figure out that the 

1176
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,550
grammes aren't relevant. 
Yeah. 

1177
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,270
And and that's a very small step
to take in terms of problem 

1178
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,190
solving. 
And I would say that is testing 

1179
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,530
problem solving. 
And for a child finishing 

1180
00:47:24,540 --> 00:47:28,000
primary school, I think it's 
acceptable to expect a child to 

1181
00:47:28,010 --> 00:47:29,000
know that they don't need to 
know. 

1182
00:47:29,010 --> 00:47:31,790
The grounds I agree, even though
it's a maybe an overload of 

1183
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,480
information that it is so easy 
to tell it's not relevant in 

1184
00:47:35,490 --> 00:47:37,650
that question. 
I think people's more wider 

1185
00:47:37,660 --> 00:47:40,570
point was that it's not there's 
not a problem with this 

1186
00:47:40,580 --> 00:47:42,210
question. 
It's more that it happened too 

1187
00:47:42,220 --> 00:47:44,280
often in the paper. 
People were saying they were 

1188
00:47:44,290 --> 00:47:47,360
just one too many questions 
where they were just putting in 

1189
00:47:47,370 --> 00:47:49,770
these really intricate traps of 
extra information they don't 

1190
00:47:49,780 --> 00:47:50,830
need. 
It was like, OK, we get the 

1191
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:51,840
point. 
It's kind of like you talk about

1192
00:47:51,850 --> 00:47:53,580
the answer box. 
Yeah, you take it was like, 

1193
00:47:53,590 --> 00:47:55,860
yeah, OK, we, you get the idea 
that it's good to see if they 

1194
00:47:55,870 --> 00:47:57,770
can interpret the answer box in 
different places, but eight 

1195
00:47:57,780 --> 00:47:59,760
times, because if they can't now
they got it wrong 8 times. 

1196
00:47:59,770 --> 00:48:02,430
Like, do we really need to make 
every single question have all 

1197
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,070
these extra information that's 
not needed? 

1198
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,330
I think that was the overall 
point. 

1199
00:48:05,340 --> 00:48:06,770
And I don't really think that 
was the case. 

1200
00:48:06,780 --> 00:48:08,230
I think people exaggerate a 
little bit. 

1201
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:10,230
I thought most of the paper was 
was OK. 

1202
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:12,240
The 2nd paper was just 
particularly tricky. 

1203
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,340
And you know what, the last five
or six questions on the 

1204
00:48:14,350 --> 00:48:16,790
reasoning papers are 
traditionally much, much harder.

1205
00:48:16,860 --> 00:48:18,570
Really high level year 6 
reasoning. 

1206
00:48:18,580 --> 00:48:21,020
Problems, that's why it's it's 
actually a really, in my 

1207
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:24,340
opinion, a very, you know, high 
level to get to greater depth in

1208
00:48:24,350 --> 00:48:25,830
maths. 
I think it's a really good 

1209
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,300
achievement, yeah. 
And if a child gets greater 

1210
00:48:28,310 --> 00:48:30,900
depth in them year six Sats, I 
think they're a fantastic. 

1211
00:48:30,910 --> 00:48:31,990
Mathematician. 
Yeah, definitely. 

1212
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,050
It's very hard to get that 
again. 

1213
00:48:33,060 --> 00:48:34,470
Yeah, it's not easy. 
It's not easy. 

1214
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,050
Whereas I would say reading, 
although I'd say you're a 

1215
00:48:38,060 --> 00:48:39,510
fantastic reader. 
Thank you. 

1216
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,050
I'd say getting great depth from
reading is still obviously 

1217
00:48:44,060 --> 00:48:47,110
really impressive, but I I would
expect it from more children. 

1218
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,970
Do you think? 
Yeah, there's just from what I 

1219
00:48:48,980 --> 00:48:52,330
see in terms of the, the, the 
marks a bit lower. 

1220
00:48:52,340 --> 00:48:54,140
There's a lot of technique to 
get there, unfortunately. 

1221
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:57,610
Yeah, I would say that there are
a lot more fantastic readers 

1222
00:48:57,620 --> 00:49:00,810
than fantastic mathematicians 
just from my day-to-day. 

1223
00:49:00,820 --> 00:49:03,010
Experience with them. 
Quick question for you, slightly

1224
00:49:03,020 --> 00:49:05,160
side track, but it's still 
saturated our having a 

1225
00:49:05,170 --> 00:49:08,450
discussion with our SLT recently
because context everybody else 

1226
00:49:08,460 --> 00:49:10,450
ask at the moment we're going 
through some English changes. 

1227
00:49:10,460 --> 00:49:12,860
We're trying to just up level 
our English really our whole 

1228
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:14,250
curriculum. 
So we're really, really thinking

1229
00:49:14,260 --> 00:49:16,220
about it and taking it slowly 
and just making sure we get the 

1230
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:19,480
foundations. 
And, um, we were having a 

1231
00:49:19,490 --> 00:49:23,120
discussion about reading and I 
forgot what I was going to say. 

1232
00:49:26,270 --> 00:49:28,250
What were you just saying? 
What? 

1233
00:49:28,260 --> 00:49:31,720
Was talking about in general, as
a teacher, what's going wrong? 

1234
00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:32,850
You do have amnesia. 
Yeah. 

1235
00:49:32,860 --> 00:49:35,930
As a teacher, in general, I 
think there are more better 

1236
00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:36,950
readers. 
Ohh, yeah. 

1237
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:37,920
That. 
I'm gonna finish what I'm 

1238
00:49:37,930 --> 00:49:39,140
saying. 
I'm gonna finish one second, 

1239
00:49:39,150 --> 00:49:40,910
please. 
There are more better readers. 

1240
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,690
And I'm interested what people 
think about this. 

1241
00:49:42,750 --> 00:49:45,290
There are more people I put a 
high level of reading than a 

1242
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:47,050
high level of maths. 
I mean, it's harder to get to a 

1243
00:49:47,060 --> 00:49:47,990
high level of maths. 
Sure. 

1244
00:49:48,060 --> 00:49:49,370
Yeah, OK, that's fair enough. 
Cool. 

1245
00:49:49,380 --> 00:49:50,890
Back to my point, because I 
remember it now. 

1246
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:52,550
So the to get expected in. 
Reading. 

1247
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:53,870
Good job. 
Stop editing, wasn't it? 

1248
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,200
We could be straight into this, 
sat through me talking now 

1249
00:49:57,210 --> 00:49:59,860
didn't, and Hayden having a 
moment where his eyes honestly 

1250
00:49:59,870 --> 00:50:01,880
died inside. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1251
00:50:01,930 --> 00:50:04,670
So to get expected in reading, 
you gotta gotta still, OK. 

1252
00:50:04,910 --> 00:50:08,110
Generally, Generally across the 
years, about half the marks on 

1253
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,320
the reading paper gets you 
expected right, which is quite 

1254
00:50:10,530 --> 00:50:11,860
pretty forgiving. 
Isn't it? 

1255
00:50:11,870 --> 00:50:14,490
Yeah. 
Pretty much sometimes, but 

1256
00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:17,640
whatever, it's around half. 
And my point is always when I 

1257
00:50:17,650 --> 00:50:22,530
talk to it, I was like, I reckon
we could never, ever, ever teach

1258
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:25,420
comprehension in the style of 
testing, right? 

1259
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:27,280
Sure. 
We just teach kids to read and 

1260
00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:30,710
like books and we will. 
It wouldn't really make a 

1261
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:34,110
difference to our our data 
because I fundamentally believe 

1262
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:36,960
that those papers are forgiving 
enough that children that can 

1263
00:50:36,970 --> 00:50:39,900
just read at age expected level 
will get expected anyway. 

1264
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:41,010
This is kind of what I'm getting
at. 

1265
00:50:41,020 --> 00:50:42,360
I agree. 
That's what I mean, like when I 

1266
00:50:42,370 --> 00:50:44,810
say if you're just a really good
reader, yeah, you will just do 

1267
00:50:44,820 --> 00:50:46,420
well on that test. 
Yeah, that's what I think. 

1268
00:50:46,430 --> 00:50:47,530
I really do. 
I really believe that. 

1269
00:50:47,540 --> 00:50:49,230
And I'd be willing to bet that 
obviously it's not the kind of 

1270
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:51,020
bet that some schools will be 
like, OK, let's just gamble. 

1271
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:54,400
And you were worried about them.
But I really, it's such a low 

1272
00:50:54,410 --> 00:50:57,940
threshold to get age expected. 
It's like yeah OK, all test 

1273
00:50:57,950 --> 00:50:59,590
technique might have got your 
extra 3 Marks and. 

1274
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,620
We'll test technique, help 
children who can't read properly

1275
00:51:01,630 --> 00:51:03,680
suddenly read. 
Properly, no, it's just not get.

1276
00:51:03,690 --> 00:51:06,470
It just helps them. 
Maybe over the line Maybe. 

1277
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,000
It looks good for the score, but
not better. 

1278
00:51:08,010 --> 00:51:09,560
Readers, do they love reading? 
Yeah. 

1279
00:51:09,570 --> 00:51:11,200
Do they get exposed to lots of 
genres? 

1280
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:13,500
That's what whole class reading 
is fantastic and it's the way to

1281
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:14,980
go. 
Yeah, definitely, absolutely. 

1282
00:51:14,990 --> 00:51:17,940
I'm all for that now. 
I'm really, really switched my 

1283
00:51:17,950 --> 00:51:20,640
mindset away from because you 
know, we've done a lot of tests,

1284
00:51:20,650 --> 00:51:23,050
style questions. 
We look at old papers and you 

1285
00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:26,050
got right, Mark, the classic 3. 
Any teacher listening that will 

1286
00:51:26,060 --> 00:51:27,340
know this. 
Yeah, let's have a look at 3 

1287
00:51:27,350 --> 00:51:28,780
Mark questions guys and how to 
answer them. 

1288
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:30,140
You need two points and one 
evidence. 

1289
00:51:30,290 --> 00:51:32,300
There's only ever two that come 
up on a paper, Yeah. 

1290
00:51:32,310 --> 00:51:34,190
And it's so easy to get one or 
two marks. 

1291
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,270
Yeah, even without any 
understanding of those questions

1292
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,360
about generally. 
I completely agree. 

1293
00:51:38,370 --> 00:51:41,300
Shift the mindset, enjoy 
reading, get better at reading. 

1294
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:42,880
That's all that. 
I don't have a problem with 

1295
00:51:42,890 --> 00:51:45,130
people saying it by the way, if 
I don't have a problem with 

1296
00:51:45,140 --> 00:51:47,100
someone saying to their kids 
this is how you answer these 

1297
00:51:47,110 --> 00:51:50,060
efficiently. 
But doing it to death years and 

1298
00:51:50,070 --> 00:51:52,040
years and years and years over 
and over and lessons all the 

1299
00:51:52,050 --> 00:51:53,320
time. 
Like it's just unnecessary. 

1300
00:51:53,330 --> 00:51:55,590
Just focus on getting your kids 
to like reading books. 

1301
00:51:55,660 --> 00:51:57,640
That is it. 
They will pass the test if they 

1302
00:51:57,650 --> 00:51:59,400
just like reading and therefore 
can read. 

1303
00:51:59,470 --> 00:52:02,020
And that is their wider issue 
with the tests at all. 

1304
00:52:02,090 --> 00:52:05,280
Yeah, Is that it's only because 
they exist that we're even 

1305
00:52:05,290 --> 00:52:06,720
having this. 
Discussion, though ironically, 

1306
00:52:06,730 --> 00:52:09,400
we probably stopped teaching. 
Kids, the Sats didn't exist, 

1307
00:52:09,410 --> 00:52:11,940
right? 
It wouldn't even be a question 

1308
00:52:11,950 --> 00:52:14,040
as to how we're doing this. 
Yeah, but what, You're gonna 

1309
00:52:14,050 --> 00:52:15,720
read a book? 
Yeah, we're gonna read this 

1310
00:52:15,730 --> 00:52:17,180
amazing book with these kids and
they're gonna. 

1311
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:18,640
Love it. 
I would go as far as arguing 

1312
00:52:18,650 --> 00:52:20,820
that kids would be better 
readers on average across the 

1313
00:52:20,830 --> 00:52:22,680
whole country if we didn't have 
Sats. 

1314
00:52:22,770 --> 00:52:24,980
Yeah, because I think our 
natural instinct would be to do 

1315
00:52:24,990 --> 00:52:26,860
it right. 
But Howard Gillian Keegan in her

1316
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:28,430
election campaign say every 5 
minutes. 

1317
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,530
We've got the best readers of 
the Muslim world. 

1318
00:52:30,540 --> 00:52:32,410
Yeah, they can pass the test. 
We. 

1319
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,820
Do we? 
Do we have the best readers in 

1320
00:52:34,830 --> 00:52:36,820
the Western world? 
Well, do you know what? 

1321
00:52:36,830 --> 00:52:39,250
It comes at a horrible price 
that kids resent reading. 

1322
00:52:39,260 --> 00:52:41,070
Yeah, it's a shame Labour 
brought in too much testing, 

1323
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:41,520
wasn't it? 
Done. 

1324
00:52:41,530 --> 00:52:42,680
Yeah, they did. 
They did, They did. 

1325
00:52:42,690 --> 00:52:44,370
And we're going to talk about 
politics right now. 

1326
00:52:44,380 --> 00:52:45,330
Actually, we're gonna go into 
it. 

1327
00:52:45,340 --> 00:52:46,790
We've heard quite a long episode
so far. 

1328
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,400
But we, we do really want to 
talk about selection. 

1329
00:52:48,410 --> 00:52:49,910
So let's talk about it. 
Cool. 

1330
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,850
This week, OK, well, if you're 
listening, I guess last week it 

1331
00:52:55,860 --> 00:52:57,850
was announced that the general 
election will be happening on 

1332
00:52:57,860 --> 00:53:00,370
the 4th of July. 
OK, you're going to get scared. 

1333
00:53:00,380 --> 00:53:02,270
You scared of you? 
Anyone listening to this knows 

1334
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,750
that there is a theme running 
through our podcast where we're 

1335
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,390
not worried about talking about 
politics, basing and holding 

1336
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,250
people to account. 
So I wanted just to start by 

1337
00:53:11,260 --> 00:53:14,030
saying we will talk politics in 
these next few weeks. 

1338
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,810
It's just bound. 
To Can I start by saying sorry 

1339
00:53:15,820 --> 00:53:17,230
in advance? 
I'm really sorry. 

1340
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:19,030
Dylan is unbelievably passionate
about. 

1341
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,910
Politics. 
So yeah, I am passionate. 

1342
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,650
I am passionate. 
However, I wanna just outline a 

1343
00:53:22,660 --> 00:53:24,790
few things I found a lot 
interesting in the last week or 

1344
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,370
so and I found myself in a 
position that I've never been in

1345
00:53:28,650 --> 00:53:31,410
during an election. 
So I want to lay it all out 

1346
00:53:31,420 --> 00:53:32,680
there. 
But the point is it's going to 

1347
00:53:32,690 --> 00:53:34,450
be a general election. 
We know it's coming this year. 

1348
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,790
No one thought it was going to 
be in the 4th of July. 

1349
00:53:37,290 --> 00:53:43,260
I can hear the Hayden's little I
I thought no like it will be the

1350
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:44,550
end of the year. 
Lots of people thought that 

1351
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,450
because what I would Rishi Sunak
done sooner. 

1352
00:53:46,460 --> 00:53:48,490
He's so far behind, but he's 
called it yeah. 

1353
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:50,800
It's gonna be in the middle of 
the EUR Hmm, middle of the 

1354
00:53:50,810 --> 00:53:55,190
summer, very random. 
And anyway, so I just want to 

1355
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,410
start off by saying to people, 
we said we were gonna talk about

1356
00:53:58,420 --> 00:54:02,700
the election this week. 
And straight away I thought to 

1357
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:04,650
myself, right, God, I need to 
brush up. 

1358
00:54:04,740 --> 00:54:06,150
I need to brush up my knowledge 
about this. 

1359
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:07,860
I want to get things right. 
If I'm going to be sat in the 

1360
00:54:07,870 --> 00:54:09,950
podcast talking about it, 
putting out to people and 

1361
00:54:10,060 --> 00:54:11,810
clearly saying my views and 
opinions. 

1362
00:54:12,020 --> 00:54:14,610
And, and I know for a fact, 
Hayden, you probably thought 

1363
00:54:14,620 --> 00:54:17,250
I've got, I don't know anything.
About that, I'm way less in 

1364
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,590
politics than you. 
I really try to avoid it at 

1365
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:20,680
most. 
And a lot of people do. 

1366
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:22,620
And a lot of people I spoke to 
at school kind of said, what 

1367
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:24,000
does that mean? 
Then when I said they'll be an 

1368
00:54:24,010 --> 00:54:27,150
election, I was like, I had to 
remember that not everyone's me.

1369
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,510
Like, yeah, I live on Wednesdays
at lunchtime. 

1370
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,250
I put Prime Minister's Questions
on like, that's just whether 

1371
00:54:32,260 --> 00:54:34,190
it's, you know, whether it's, 
you know, happening or not, 

1372
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:35,910
That's just what I do, whether 
it's an election. 

1373
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:39,150
So I know that I am part of the 
less than 1% of people who 

1374
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:40,870
really keep out of this kind of 
stuff. 

1375
00:54:41,220 --> 00:54:43,890
But then I thought to myself, I 
don't need to brush up. 

1376
00:54:43,980 --> 00:54:46,010
No, I don't actually. 
And you don't either. 

1377
00:54:46,020 --> 00:54:47,470
No. 
And that's really important 

1378
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,250
because this is a general 
election. 

1379
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:53,630
Everyone gets a vote. 
So actually us like swatting up 

1380
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,640
on stuff beforehand and getting 
knowledgeable about ohh, it's 

1381
00:54:56,650 --> 00:54:57,750
exactly this. 
That's not really 

1382
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,330
representative, is it? 
Because if, if we weren't doing 

1383
00:55:00,340 --> 00:55:02,690
this podcast, you'd trundle 
through your life and then come 

1384
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:03,840
July 4th, you'd vote for you 
gonna. 

1385
00:55:03,850 --> 00:55:05,750
Vote for represent you normal 
people out there that will just 

1386
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,500
sort of read the odd headline 
the other article and then get 

1387
00:55:08,510 --> 00:55:10,730
overwhelmed by it all and just 
wait for Dylan to tell you 

1388
00:55:10,740 --> 00:55:12,090
what's. 
Going on, we have a little chat 

1389
00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:14,770
and just just just dive straight
in. 

1390
00:55:14,780 --> 00:55:16,530
So I hope people at home, you 
know, feel free. 

1391
00:55:16,540 --> 00:55:18,070
Please Fact Check us. 
You know, a lot of it's just 

1392
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:23,010
going to be opinion, a lot of 
it, and I'm gonna talk about 

1393
00:55:23,020 --> 00:55:24,770
that so. 
Where do you wanna start? 

1394
00:55:24,780 --> 00:55:26,180
I've been making some Instagram 
reels. 

1395
00:55:26,410 --> 00:55:28,830
OK, so straight away, so I'll be
really honest, I'm gonna lay my 

1396
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,900
cards on the on the line here 
table. 

1397
00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:36,580
Yeah, wow, that's made-up. 
Maybe I'll say I am incredibly 

1398
00:55:37,170 --> 00:55:42,000
sorry, incredibly excited by the
prospect of the conservatives 

1399
00:55:42,010 --> 00:55:45,380
not being in power anymore. 
Yeah, I am incredibly anti 

1400
00:55:45,390 --> 00:55:48,730
conservative. 
I think the whole idea of what 

1401
00:55:48,740 --> 00:55:51,180
they stand for and more 
importantly what they've 

1402
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:56,650
actually done, I'm talking about
a track record now since 2010 is

1403
00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:59,270
dreadful. 
And I've seen the decimation of 

1404
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:00,920
education, having worked in it 
as well. 

1405
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:05,110
And I've seen the decimation of 
funding and I've seen the level 

1406
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:09,710
of standards that we allow our 
children to get drop off. 

1407
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:12,510
And the only reason those levels
are where they should be is 

1408
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,010
because of the hard work and 
determination of people who work

1409
00:56:16,020 --> 00:56:18,130
in school. 
So I don't think the government 

1410
00:56:18,140 --> 00:56:21,000
have done any favours for us 
whatsoever, but we've seen 

1411
00:56:21,010 --> 00:56:22,890
there's only so much we can 
actually do about correct 

1412
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:25,080
funding and we've seen the 
provision for our most 

1413
00:56:25,090 --> 00:56:27,360
vulnerable kids drop through the
floor. 

1414
00:56:27,370 --> 00:56:31,140
We've seen it in front of us. 
We've seen that we can't afford 

1415
00:56:31,150 --> 00:56:33,680
our heating bills anymore 
because the energy price cap 

1416
00:56:33,730 --> 00:56:36,280
came in for households, but it 
did not come in for schools 

1417
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,600
because it's classes like a 
business or a separate thing. 

1418
00:56:38,670 --> 00:56:41,020
So schools never got a cap on 
their energy prices, they just 

1419
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:43,780
doubled. 
Schools are ordering books and 

1420
00:56:43,790 --> 00:56:45,500
paper for their children to do 
stuff in. 

1421
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:48,190
That cost is just doubled. 
I was talking to the person who 

1422
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,520
orders books in our school two 
years ago. 

1423
00:56:50,590 --> 00:56:53,120
It costs £1500 to get all the 
books for the year. 

1424
00:56:53,340 --> 00:56:56,030
Now it costs £2800 to get all 
the books of the year. 

1425
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,230
No more. 
So I said to him, ohh, it's a 

1426
00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:59,270
good job at least budgets 
doubled sarcastically. 

1427
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,000
And he went no, no they haven't.
I was like, I know I'm just 

1428
00:57:02,010 --> 00:57:05,690
joking, but these are the things
that you don't see and and that 

1429
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:09,550
1300 LB extra that we've got to 
find now for the books just to 

1430
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,410
deliver children. 
The curriculum that has to come 

1431
00:57:12,420 --> 00:57:15,070
from somewhere. 
So that's coming from, I don't 

1432
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:16,380
know, maybe a TA we. 
Can't. 

1433
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:18,490
Either way, we're talking about 
exercise books. 

1434
00:57:18,500 --> 00:57:20,550
We're not even talking about 
like actual reading, but we're 

1435
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,650
talking about blank books for 
them to write their work in. 

1436
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,510
Quick thing about actual work, 
by the way. 

1437
00:57:24,580 --> 00:57:27,270
Had a discussion with the other 
day and we were trying to think 

1438
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,950
of other ways around buying 
books because we literally can't

1439
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,270
afford the reading books. 
Yeah, literally can't afford 

1440
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:33,500
them. 
Like we do not have the budget. 

1441
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:36,130
We're gonna have to think of 
another way to show kids books. 

1442
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,720
So that was like brilliant. 
The the big thing that I wanted 

1443
00:57:38,730 --> 00:57:41,370
to talk about here is, and I 
want people to understand this, 

1444
00:57:41,380 --> 00:57:44,330
like whatever you want to vote 
for, whoever you, whoever you, 

1445
00:57:44,340 --> 00:57:46,550
there are a lot of people sat 
there going ohh, but I don't 

1446
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,530
like Labour. 
I don't I like Labour probably 

1447
00:57:49,540 --> 00:57:51,820
the least I've ever liked Labour
right now in terms of they're 

1448
00:57:51,830 --> 00:57:53,860
not exciting to me. 
They seem very close to the 

1449
00:57:53,870 --> 00:57:56,380
Conservatives and a lot of stuff
in terms of we'll see, Yeah. 

1450
00:57:56,430 --> 00:57:58,650
And I really want them over the 
next few weeks to come out with 

1451
00:57:58,660 --> 00:58:00,380
some stuff I've seen when I 
lower the voting age. 

1452
00:58:00,610 --> 00:58:01,800
And that's brilliant. 
To me. 

1453
00:58:01,810 --> 00:58:04,180
That's very anti establishment. 
Yeah, I like that because I 

1454
00:58:04,190 --> 00:58:06,620
don't think many people in 
places of power would actually 

1455
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:08,940
be thinking that's a good idea, 
because it would, it tends to be

1456
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:10,560
against. 
Traditionally, younger people 

1457
00:58:10,570 --> 00:58:12,300
vote Labour. 
And people vote, so of course it

1458
00:58:12,310 --> 00:58:13,770
makes sense for Labour want to 
do that. 

1459
00:58:14,070 --> 00:58:15,700
Yeah. 
So I quite like that. 

1460
00:58:15,710 --> 00:58:17,120
But you know what? 
Ignore that for a second, 

1461
00:58:17,130 --> 00:58:20,540
because what winds me up, and I 
want people to do more of 

1462
00:58:20,550 --> 00:58:24,080
instead is judge on what's 
happened. 

1463
00:58:24,410 --> 00:58:26,940
The people who have been in 
charge 14 years. 

1464
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:29,480
Rather than imagine what other 
people might have done in 

1465
00:58:29,490 --> 00:58:31,200
charge. 
Yeah, and, and I can't deal 

1466
00:58:31,210 --> 00:58:35,080
anymore with anything going 
wrong and someone saying, yeah, 

1467
00:58:35,090 --> 00:58:37,700
because Gordon Brown sold the 
bloody gold for peanuts. 

1468
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:40,600
No, it's not though, is it? 
It's not because of something 

1469
00:58:40,610 --> 00:58:41,860
happened in 2008. 
Really. 

1470
00:58:41,870 --> 00:58:44,030
At this point, austerity was a 
choice. 

1471
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:45,300
And he might argue it was a good
choice. 

1472
00:58:45,310 --> 00:58:47,540
We had to do it because of the 
global situation. 

1473
00:58:47,590 --> 00:58:48,880
Fine. 
But it was still a choice. 

1474
00:58:48,890 --> 00:58:50,860
The the level we went to for the
cards. 

1475
00:58:51,730 --> 00:58:53,810
And. 
And, yeah, when someone says 

1476
00:58:54,070 --> 00:58:55,440
they're all the same, aren't 
they? 

1477
00:58:55,490 --> 00:58:58,150
They're not, they're not all the
same. 

1478
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,710
Now that's the point. 
And do you know what? 

1479
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,640
If they are all the same? 
Right. 

1480
00:59:01,780 --> 00:59:03,370
Let's try the other ones for a 
bit then. 

1481
00:59:03,540 --> 00:59:06,710
Yeah, let's just see, shall we? 
So, you know if Tory and Labour 

1482
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,870
are the same, which they're not.
But if they were. 

1483
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,640
OK, cool. 
Well, have the the one, the one 

1484
00:59:11,650 --> 00:59:13,050
thing that I've had power 14 
years. 

1485
00:59:13,060 --> 00:59:14,070
Have you liked what they've 
done? 

1486
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,780
Do you feel better off because 
of what they've done? 

1487
00:59:15,820 --> 00:59:16,980
No. 
OK, well, I'll try the other 

1488
00:59:16,990 --> 00:59:19,650
thing that you're saying. 
It might not be, but it is the 

1489
00:59:19,660 --> 00:59:20,770
same. 
What's grounded? 

1490
00:59:20,780 --> 00:59:23,750
Imposing, isn't it? 
It's like, oh, they're all the 

1491
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:24,550
same. 
They mean the same. 

1492
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:25,550
Yeah, they're not really. 
They are. 

1493
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,140
They never actually used in the 
same, actually completely 

1494
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:29,980
different and never use the same
ever. 

1495
00:59:30,050 --> 00:59:31,820
So I don't think Labour and Tory
are synonyms. 

1496
00:59:31,870 --> 00:59:34,160
So. 
Funny, all the same, they are. 

1497
00:59:34,990 --> 00:59:37,040
All the same, in that they both 
mean politicians. 

1498
00:59:37,310 --> 00:59:41,640
Ohh need joking your brain like.
I'm worried like what my 

1499
00:59:41,650 --> 00:59:43,100
argument? 
If you're wrong actually. 

1500
00:59:43,110 --> 00:59:47,440
It's OK to what I think, Yeah. 
And the thing that honestly gets

1501
00:59:47,450 --> 00:59:49,600
me wound up the most, I've been 
making quite a few reels about 

1502
00:59:49,610 --> 00:59:52,560
politics and it's hilarious 
because some hit the algorithm 

1503
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:54,450
and they just go to people. 
They've got nothing to do with 

1504
00:59:54,460 --> 00:59:57,300
teaching obviously causing 
politics post and the amount of 

1505
00:59:57,310 --> 01:00:01,250
people seen who go all the same.
You should just fight reform. 

1506
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:05,050
I'm like ohh that that's the 
thing you shouldn't do what 

1507
01:00:05,060 --> 01:00:07,450
makes. 
What on earth makes you think 

1508
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,030
that reform are better than them
too? 

1509
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,210
Why do you not automatically 
think reform are the same? 

1510
01:00:12,340 --> 01:00:14,740
Like because they sound like 
they want to reform. 

1511
01:00:14,750 --> 01:00:16,730
It's in the name. 
It's like it's just run by a 

1512
01:00:16,740 --> 01:00:17,770
millionaire who. 
Backed rolls. 

1513
01:00:17,780 --> 01:00:19,230
You realise it's a bunch of ex 
bankers? 

1514
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,290
Yeah, OK. 
Yeah, like this is the 

1515
01:00:21,300 --> 01:00:23,550
establishment you're saying? 
You are fight against on social 

1516
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,320
media reform. 
It's I don't know about anyone 

1517
01:00:25,330 --> 01:00:26,730
that just on like TikTok, 
Instagram. 

1518
01:00:26,740 --> 01:00:29,010
Reels on one of the things that 
makes about 15 over the. 

1519
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,960
Cheers all round about all the 
comments. 

1520
01:00:32,970 --> 01:00:35,510
Are anything politically like 
I'm voting reform, reform. 

1521
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,710
It is just a flood of it. 
But you know what was exactly 

1522
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,160
the same? 
It was the same with UKIP. 

1523
01:00:39,170 --> 01:00:40,780
Remember everyone, everyone 
vote. 

1524
01:00:40,790 --> 01:00:42,530
UKIP was unbelievably loud about
it. 

1525
01:00:42,540 --> 01:00:45,710
Yeah, ohh, vote UKIP, right. 
You only about Ukip's like OK, 

1526
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,350
I'll just ignore it now, the 
reformers or whatever. 

1527
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,990
And it's like, OK, you can talk 
about conspiracies and if you 

1528
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,530
think people putting, I think 
corporations absolutely are 

1529
01:00:52,540 --> 01:00:54,990
putting their fingers in all the
pies and influencing people. 

1530
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,760
And when business come out and 
say they're supporting Labour 

1531
01:00:57,770 --> 01:00:59,510
now, it's actually a bit of a 
red flag. 

1532
01:00:59,610 --> 01:01:01,210
Me, I don't think that's an 
amazing thing. 

1533
01:01:01,220 --> 01:01:02,840
You can see why the 
establishment might think it's a

1534
01:01:02,850 --> 01:01:04,530
good thing or the papers or 
whatever. 

1535
01:01:04,580 --> 01:01:07,020
But when like, you know, if 
Walmart, you know, they're 

1536
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:09,410
American, like come out and sell
Tesco, come and say, yeah, we're

1537
01:01:09,420 --> 01:01:12,010
backing Labour. 
I'm like, ohh, yeah, that's 

1538
01:01:12,020 --> 01:01:14,240
weird because for me, Labour 
stands for the working rights of

1539
01:01:14,250 --> 01:01:14,830
the people. 
Yeah. 

1540
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,870
And I don't feel like you would 
care much about that at all. 

1541
01:01:18,060 --> 01:01:20,410
So like, whilst people might be 
like, ohh, that's cool. 

1542
01:01:20,460 --> 01:01:22,810
Personally, that's not that's 
making me. 

1543
01:01:22,820 --> 01:01:24,890
Less it just gives you an idea 
that maybe Labour have more 

1544
01:01:24,900 --> 01:01:27,390
centric than they are. 
They're right in the centre, 

1545
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,330
they're right in the centre and 
there's a place for centric 

1546
01:01:29,340 --> 01:01:31,110
policy. 
And someone made a comment and 

1547
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,160
it was really good point. 
I was like, there there is a 

1548
01:01:33,170 --> 01:01:34,640
place for being in the centre, 
right? 

1549
01:01:34,650 --> 01:01:37,260
Yeah. 
And if you get stuff done and, 

1550
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:39,260
and it comes boils down to this 
for me, cause a lot of people 

1551
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:41,220
are very anti care Starmer 
saying, well, they promised to 

1552
01:01:41,230 --> 01:01:42,890
scrap tuition fees when he 
became leader. 

1553
01:01:43,130 --> 01:01:44,520
He promised to do this. 
He promised to do that. 

1554
01:01:44,530 --> 01:01:48,470
I was like, OK, that's a fine 
grievance because you might have

1555
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,310
backed him thinking he wants to 
stand for this stuff. 

1556
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,220
And now he's not. 
That's fair grievance. 

1557
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:55,900
But what I would say to someone 
who's saying that is to become 

1558
01:01:55,970 --> 01:01:59,700
to be in power, he had to become
the leader of the Labour Party. 

1559
01:01:59,810 --> 01:02:01,920
And the way that works is you 
need to be voted in by its 

1560
01:02:01,930 --> 01:02:05,540
supporters who found at the 
mouth of Jeremy Corbyn, who's 

1561
01:02:05,550 --> 01:02:08,090
extremely left wing. 
And they were thinking of 

1562
01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:10,760
reforming how they even choose 
it because the base is so left 

1563
01:02:10,770 --> 01:02:13,610
wing and the Labour Party that 
unless you have those left wing 

1564
01:02:13,620 --> 01:02:15,290
policies, you'll never get 
chosen as leader. 

1565
01:02:15,340 --> 01:02:16,340
Yeah. 
So we have to do that. 

1566
01:02:16,350 --> 01:02:18,390
That's this is what like someone
who's just maybe being a bit 

1567
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,700
more straightforward might say. 
And then when he became Labour 

1568
01:02:21,710 --> 01:02:24,290
leader, if he ran on the same 
principles as Jeremy Corbyn, 

1569
01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:26,070
he'd get absolutely rinsed. 
Them would never come anywhere. 

1570
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:27,390
You had to do something. 
Different, yeah. 

1571
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,710
So to me, the number one thing 
you have to do is get in power 

1572
01:02:30,620 --> 01:02:32,850
and then you can start judging 
people on a different kind of 

1573
01:02:32,860 --> 01:02:35,000
note and the same way I've just 
said you should judge the Tories

1574
01:02:35,010 --> 01:02:36,410
and what they've done. 
Yeah, OK, cool. 

1575
01:02:36,420 --> 01:02:39,110
Well, we might hold our noses 
and vote for Labour. 

1576
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,880
A lot of people, because we just
can't stand with the Tories, 

1577
01:02:41,890 --> 01:02:43,550
have done. 
But then what we have to do from

1578
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,990
day one, if Keir Starmer gets in
is be on his back. 

1579
01:02:46,310 --> 01:02:47,390
It's OK. 
What you gonna do then? 

1580
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:50,780
We're gonna keep accountable. 
And I really don't want to give 

1581
01:02:50,790 --> 01:02:53,340
him a free pass. 
Like a lot of people will like 

1582
01:02:53,350 --> 01:02:56,020
what people do for the Tories. 
Now, I would hate if I became 

1583
01:02:56,030 --> 01:02:57,840
that for Labour. 
And just like something that was

1584
01:02:57,850 --> 01:03:01,860
clearly wrong, they just went, 
oh, that's alright, Labour. 

1585
01:03:01,870 --> 01:03:03,150
So I'll just I'll. 
Agree. 

1586
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:04,450
I agree. 
It's a weird system, isn't it? 

1587
01:03:04,460 --> 01:03:05,040
Very, very. 
Weird. 

1588
01:03:05,050 --> 01:03:07,710
What's your core instincts now? 
As someone who's not involved in

1589
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,610
politics, I'm very interested. 
But right now, what are you 

1590
01:03:09,620 --> 01:03:10,620
thinking? 
What are your thoughts? 

1591
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:13,710
On my core instinct is is is a 
is a is a broken system anyway. 

1592
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,270
It's two party system. 
Literally nothing matters unless

1593
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:17,910
you vote Tory or Labour. 
Genuinely. 

1594
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,990
Like I get you argue the seats 
and all that but honestly it 

1595
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,130
really doesn't matter if you 
only care really about who's 

1596
01:03:23,140 --> 01:03:25,700
actually in charge. 
The only thing you can do at 

1597
01:03:25,710 --> 01:03:27,170
this point if you don't Tories 
in is vote Labour. 

1598
01:03:27,180 --> 01:03:28,890
That's the way I see it. 
Which I don't like. 

1599
01:03:28,980 --> 01:03:30,510
I don't like that. 
That's the thing. 

1600
01:03:30,990 --> 01:03:33,350
Vote tactically or vote 
tactically? 

1601
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,010
What do you mean by that? 
Because to me that is just 

1602
01:03:35,020 --> 01:03:35,650
voting Labour. 
Yes. 

1603
01:03:35,660 --> 01:03:38,980
So the way the system works 
again is there are 650 seats 

1604
01:03:38,990 --> 01:03:39,850
across the country. 
Yeah. 

1605
01:03:39,860 --> 01:03:42,860
Countries get into 650. 
To have a government, you need 

1606
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:47,170
more than half because then when
someone suggests a law, you know

1607
01:03:47,180 --> 01:03:48,750
you've got over half. 
So it will go through. 

1608
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:50,100
That's how government works, 
basically. 

1609
01:03:50,110 --> 01:03:52,320
You just need. 
So we could technically work on 

1610
01:03:52,330 --> 01:03:53,760
our government where no one has 
more than half. 

1611
01:03:53,770 --> 01:03:55,050
That's what coalitions are for. 
Yeah. 

1612
01:03:55,060 --> 01:03:57,050
They basically say we'll work 
together and we'll all vote. 

1613
01:03:57,060 --> 01:03:57,890
Yes. 
Yeah. 

1614
01:03:57,900 --> 01:03:59,240
So we get past halfway. 
Yeah. 

1615
01:03:59,250 --> 01:04:00,570
Yeah. 
Or you might work for minority 

1616
01:04:00,580 --> 01:04:02,350
government. 
I think Theresa May for a bit 

1617
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,710
had one where she had like she 
was like 8 seats less than half.

1618
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,510
So that's why she had to deal 
with the DUP. 

1619
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,160
Right, Irish people make up 
some. 

1620
01:04:09,170 --> 01:04:10,990
Who said, OK, well, we're not, 
we're not necessarily a 

1621
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,280
coalition, but we've got a deal.
You'll vote through our 

1622
01:04:13,290 --> 01:04:14,740
policies. 
We'll give you 1 1/2 billion 

1623
01:04:14,750 --> 01:04:15,840
pounds. 
That's what happened. 

1624
01:04:15,850 --> 01:04:17,230
Yeah. 
So they, you know, there's deals

1625
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,470
to be made. 
Voting tactically is simply 

1626
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,950
saying every single individual 
scene, you look at the general 

1627
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:28,310
vibe of the population and you 
vote for whoever is the best 

1628
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,310
party in terms of number of 
votes that isn't Conservative. 

1629
01:04:31,470 --> 01:04:32,920
Yeah, so, and this is what I 
would do. 

1630
01:04:32,930 --> 01:04:34,730
Sure. 
So I'm, I'm so I'm much more 

1631
01:04:34,740 --> 01:04:36,160
anti Conservative than pro 
Labour. 

1632
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:40,590
But in my constituency where we 
live, the 2nd place was Labour. 

1633
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,690
So I'm voting for Labour. 
Yeah, so and, and, and the point

1634
01:04:43,700 --> 01:04:46,310
of voting tactically would be if
you really support the Lib Dems 

1635
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,710
or the Greens or even reform, 
whatever, whoever it is, if you 

1636
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:53,690
are more anti Tory than you are 
pro any kind of Labour or any 

1637
01:04:53,700 --> 01:04:57,190
other one, you would say, OK, 
well I want them to not be a 

1638
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,340
Conservative MP. 
So I'm going to give my vote to 

1639
01:04:59,350 --> 01:05:00,230
Labour this time. 
Yeah. 

1640
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,590
So the ones that are gonna get 
most likely to get it so. 

1641
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:04,660
In my constituency, if someone 
said they're gonna vote leave 

1642
01:05:04,670 --> 01:05:07,370
them or Green, I would say to 
them, would you consider holding

1643
01:05:07,380 --> 01:05:10,820
your nose and voting Labour? 
Otherwise, Conservatives will 

1644
01:05:10,830 --> 01:05:12,520
get in because we need to get 
past the Conservative. 

1645
01:05:12,530 --> 01:05:13,960
But yeah, what stupid system. 
Right. 

1646
01:05:13,970 --> 01:05:15,970
It's completely broken and I 
completely agree and a lot of 

1647
01:05:15,980 --> 01:05:17,760
people and that's not right and 
I'm like it's not right. 

1648
01:05:17,770 --> 01:05:20,010
But is the system we have. 
So actually we gotta use it for 

1649
01:05:20,020 --> 01:05:21,100
now. 
Yeah, all you need to do is 

1650
01:05:21,110 --> 01:05:24,310
Google tactical vote or vote 
tactically and there's literally

1651
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:25,950
websites where you can put a 
postcode in. 

1652
01:05:26,250 --> 01:05:29,420
It'll show you a breakdown and 
who you should vote for if you 

1653
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:31,300
want to vote. 
Tactically, yeah, absolutely. 

1654
01:05:31,310 --> 01:05:33,080
Mental to me, absolutely. 
Someone not in the world. 

1655
01:05:33,090 --> 01:05:35,620
I just think I just don't know 
what to think about. 

1656
01:05:35,630 --> 01:05:37,320
It is crazy. 
But yeah, I, I mean, I will be 

1657
01:05:37,330 --> 01:05:39,400
like, I will be voting Labour 
for that exact reason and I 

1658
01:05:39,410 --> 01:05:41,220
probably would vote Labour. 
Anyway, if you were somewhere 

1659
01:05:41,230 --> 01:05:44,000
where Labour were literally 
pulling it like 5% and and Lib 

1660
01:05:44,010 --> 01:05:47,170
Dems were 30 and Conservatives 
were 40, would you still vote 

1661
01:05:47,180 --> 01:05:48,960
Labour? 
I know I did the tactical thing 

1662
01:05:48,970 --> 01:05:51,540
hundred percent, 100% because 
like you, I'm, I'm more anti 

1663
01:05:51,550 --> 01:05:53,240
Tory than anything else. 
I just want them out of power. 

1664
01:05:53,250 --> 01:05:55,110
I don't really, I don't, I don't
care who comes in next. 

1665
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,960
I just want to be Tories again. 
I, I think, I don't think 

1666
01:05:57,970 --> 01:05:59,530
there's much they could have 
done to make it worse. 

1667
01:05:59,540 --> 01:06:01,460
And a lot of people always say 
that like, oh, I'll be worse if 

1668
01:06:01,470 --> 01:06:03,180
Labour. 
I'm like, would it would be 

1669
01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:05,640
quite hard, genuinely. 
You're not even disagreeing that

1670
01:06:05,650 --> 01:06:07,200
it could be. 
Yeah, I'm not those people. 

1671
01:06:07,210 --> 01:06:09,130
That's like, ohh, no it couldn't
possibly because Labour are 

1672
01:06:09,140 --> 01:06:09,840
great. 
Like the idea. 

1673
01:06:09,850 --> 01:06:12,440
So no, the idea. 
I actually don't really care if 

1674
01:06:12,450 --> 01:06:15,360
Labour and and Conservatives 
switched all of their policies, 

1675
01:06:15,410 --> 01:06:17,640
I'd then be voting Conservative.
I'm not against the word 

1676
01:06:17,650 --> 01:06:20,320
conservatives, I just don't like
what they've represented 

1677
01:06:20,330 --> 01:06:22,080
generally and what they've done 
to the country. 

1678
01:06:22,090 --> 01:06:24,200
I think it has diminished in 
lots and lots of ways when it 

1679
01:06:24,210 --> 01:06:26,030
didn't need to. 
Some things are out of our 

1680
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:26,800
control. 
That's fine. 

1681
01:06:26,810 --> 01:06:29,260
I'll never blame the Tories in 
the same way I won't blame 

1682
01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:31,470
Labour for the global market 
crash and things like that. 

1683
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,150
It's like, but there are other 
things where it has just 

1684
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,440
diminished that they have just 
literally chosen they, they did 

1685
01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:38,280
it did take a footballer to 
convince them to give kids food.

1686
01:06:38,330 --> 01:06:39,380
Yeah. 
And it's like stuff like I'm 

1687
01:06:39,390 --> 01:06:41,240
like, but that's, that's one 
example is like that happens 

1688
01:06:41,250 --> 01:06:42,630
every year. 
There's a massive thing like 

1689
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,480
that where they just don't wanna
do help anyone. 

1690
01:06:44,550 --> 01:06:47,660
But they'll line the pockets of 
their mates visibly and 

1691
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:50,100
obviously and have a WhatsApp 
group where they laugh about it 

1692
01:06:50,110 --> 01:06:52,800
and get away with it and have a 
party during COVID and nothing 

1693
01:06:52,810 --> 01:06:54,860
ever comes of any of it. 
And I'm sick of that. 

1694
01:06:54,930 --> 01:06:56,520
So I, I just want to give 
someone else a chance. 

1695
01:06:56,530 --> 01:06:59,500
I always don't really care. 
Do you know what if Reform UK 

1696
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:03,440
were the highest voted thing in 
our in our thing, they were 45% 

1697
01:07:03,450 --> 01:07:06,590
and and the and the service on 
46 that said I don't know, but I

1698
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,230
would though. 
I would just I'd be like, yeah, 

1699
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,770
OK, it knocks off another 
Conservatives. 

1700
01:07:10,780 --> 01:07:12,760
Is that not a tactical? 
I'd rather have a Conservative 

1701
01:07:12,770 --> 01:07:14,790
government than a reformed 
government, so therefore I 

1702
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:15,310
wouldn't. 
Deal. 

1703
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:16,810
OK, Fair enough. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

1704
01:07:16,820 --> 01:07:18,770
If the choice was between before
on Conservative, yeah, 

1705
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:20,250
absolutely. 
Rather have a Conservative 

1706
01:07:20,260 --> 01:07:22,800
government because Reform are 
just the fringes of the Tories 

1707
01:07:22,810 --> 01:07:25,180
who are left because they're 
annoyed going eating their full 

1708
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:26,890
English going. 
How long till the full English 

1709
01:07:26,900 --> 01:07:29,020
is called racist? 
That's the kind of people who 

1710
01:07:29,030 --> 01:07:30,410
are going to. 
Reform fair enough is where I 

1711
01:07:30,420 --> 01:07:32,220
don't know stuff. 
Knowing that would obviously 

1712
01:07:32,270 --> 01:07:34,710
impact my. 
Reform have some policies like 

1713
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,780
they want low tax, they want 
written constitution, yeah, 

1714
01:07:37,790 --> 01:07:40,420
there's there's there's things 
that they can say which which 

1715
01:07:40,430 --> 01:07:42,410
sound good. 
Yeah, I'm not again, it would be

1716
01:07:42,420 --> 01:07:45,200
stupid to say that everything 
about them ever is awful because

1717
01:07:45,210 --> 01:07:48,060
if they came out and said yeah, 
we want to recruit more teachers

1718
01:07:48,170 --> 01:07:50,320
and Labour have said they want 
to recruit more teachers, it's 

1719
01:07:50,330 --> 01:07:52,100
not now bad because Reform said 
it. 

1720
01:07:52,110 --> 01:07:55,140
Yeah, but as a whole, Reform 
being bankrolled by Richard 

1721
01:07:55,150 --> 01:07:57,660
Tyson and his own personal 
wealth and having people like 

1722
01:07:57,670 --> 01:08:00,990
Lee Anderson joined them, who's 
just an idiot, like, OK, that's 

1723
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:02,520
OK, That's the vibe. 
Then I. 

1724
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:04,900
Don't want them in charge. 
I think maybe terrible old 

1725
01:08:04,910 --> 01:08:08,270
Nigel. 
He's normally loud around this 

1726
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:09,800
time. 
Lost every single election he's 

1727
01:08:09,810 --> 01:08:11,600
ever been involved in, never 
become an MP. 

1728
01:08:12,050 --> 01:08:14,500
He has come out and said that he
won't be running because he 

1729
01:08:14,510 --> 01:08:17,450
because John White, because he's
focusing on the US election, 

1730
01:08:17,729 --> 01:08:21,370
which by the way is later on in 
the year complete Trump's Mr 

1731
01:08:21,380 --> 01:08:23,000
Trump. 
But you know, he cares so much 

1732
01:08:23,010 --> 01:08:25,399
about Britain. 
Cares so much about Britain. 

1733
01:08:25,470 --> 01:08:27,270
Yeah, he couldn't possibly 
involved in general election 

1734
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:29,630
though, because there's not 
American beneficial. 

1735
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:30,830
The reason is because you 
wouldn't. 

1736
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:32,520
Win. 
Yeah, he's a celebrity and he 

1737
01:08:32,529 --> 01:08:34,160
got out of it. 
Yeah, so fair enough. 

1738
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:37,310
Been popping up on my feed 
recently. 

1739
01:08:37,350 --> 01:08:38,420
Jeremy Corbyn? 
Really. 

1740
01:08:38,430 --> 01:08:41,080
Have you seen his standing 
independently in Islington? 

1741
01:08:41,130 --> 01:08:42,939
Yeah, he'll probably win. 
Yeah, he's been around for so 

1742
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:46,460
long and that yeah, that whole 
idea of I imagine in his, in his

1743
01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:49,649
seat, he is very well known and 
and I think I, I get the 

1744
01:08:49,660 --> 01:08:51,290
impression he's a really good 
local MP. 

1745
01:08:51,300 --> 01:08:53,020
Can you explain to me? 
I actually don't understand this

1746
01:08:53,029 --> 01:08:55,430
and you probably will. 
So a lot of people were saying, 

1747
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,729
ohh yeah, Jeremy Corbyn for PM, 
but he couldn't possibly, he 

1748
01:08:58,740 --> 01:09:00,880
couldn't possibly be taking 
votes to be the Prime Minister. 

1749
01:09:00,890 --> 01:09:03,680
He's only trying to get a. 
Seat in his area, right? 

1750
01:09:03,689 --> 01:09:05,540
So, So no one votes for a Prime 
Minister. 

1751
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,819
So no, no one ever actually, 
because the Prime Minister, 

1752
01:09:08,830 --> 01:09:10,620
right. 
And they sure, that's why that's

1753
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:14,899
why you know when Liz Truss took
over Boris Johnson and when 

1754
01:09:14,910 --> 01:09:18,720
Rishi Sunak overtook Liz Truss 
of technically there was nothing

1755
01:09:18,729 --> 01:09:20,979
wrong with that because people 
voted for their local MP. 

1756
01:09:21,069 --> 01:09:22,430
That's cool. 
So you know when we. 

1757
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,160
Vote how it works. 
But so many people in the 

1758
01:09:24,170 --> 01:09:26,010
comments were like, yeah, we're 
voting for the Prime Minister. 

1759
01:09:26,020 --> 01:09:27,560
I was thinking, I don't think 
that's how. 

1760
01:09:27,569 --> 01:09:29,000
I'm pretty sure that's not how 
it works. 

1761
01:09:29,010 --> 01:09:30,529
So he's just trying to be voted 
in. 

1762
01:09:30,540 --> 01:09:33,180
That and as an independent, he 
has literally zero chance of 

1763
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:35,370
becoming Prime Minister because 
even if he got voted in all that

1764
01:09:35,380 --> 01:09:37,569
was happening in the 
backbenches, yeah, he'd have one

1765
01:09:37,580 --> 01:09:40,069
vote every time. 
Yeah, but you know he wouldn't 

1766
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,069
be at all in a. 
Party to remember there, though.

1767
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:44,430
I like that different there. 
Well, this is the thing about 

1768
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,370
Corbyn. 
I've really like shifted off 

1769
01:09:47,380 --> 01:09:49,370
him. 
But I think that's because it's 

1770
01:09:49,380 --> 01:09:54,270
always the context of like, 
yeah, he he, he does. 

1771
01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:56,690
He's really, really, really, 
really left. 

1772
01:09:56,700 --> 01:09:57,770
I want to talk to you about 
this. 

1773
01:09:57,870 --> 01:09:59,050
He's really, really, really 
left. 

1774
01:09:59,060 --> 01:10:01,390
And that pushes a lot of people 
out because he's very, very high

1775
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:05,810
tax, very, very much, you know, 
is seen as, you know, an 

1776
01:10:05,820 --> 01:10:08,220
extremist sympathiser. 
We can talk about whether 

1777
01:10:08,230 --> 01:10:11,550
specialist, yeah, we can talk 
about how true those accusations

1778
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:13,940
are or not anti-Semitic because 
everything happened in the 

1779
01:10:13,950 --> 01:10:15,010
Labour Party and stuff like 
that. 

1780
01:10:15,020 --> 01:10:17,940
But yeah, again, we can talk 
about whether that's true, 

1781
01:10:17,950 --> 01:10:19,830
whether that's false, whatever, 
whatever. 

1782
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:21,840
It's like a conversation that is
honestly not even relevant 

1783
01:10:21,850 --> 01:10:23,670
anymore because we're living in 
a different time. 

1784
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:28,810
But the thing that I find 
interesting is how influential 

1785
01:10:28,820 --> 01:10:31,690
people on the extremes can be 
when it comes to running a 

1786
01:10:31,700 --> 01:10:34,850
party. 
So let's take the Labour, the 

1787
01:10:34,860 --> 01:10:39,440
Conservative for example, right 
now, she soon hack is very much 

1788
01:10:39,450 --> 01:10:42,680
beholden to the extreme right 
wing of the Conservative Party. 

1789
01:10:42,770 --> 01:10:45,640
So that's why we've got policies
like the Rwanda bill. 

1790
01:10:45,710 --> 01:10:49,260
Yeah, that's why he's trying to 
really crack down on student 

1791
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:52,360
immigration to come. 
And in our universities, which I

1792
01:10:52,370 --> 01:10:55,100
don't think anyone who's 
moderate thinks is bad, but he's

1793
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:57,360
like, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm going
to clamp down on that because it

1794
01:10:57,370 --> 01:10:59,190
makes the right wing of his 
party happy. 

1795
01:10:59,250 --> 01:11:00,970
They'll keep supporting him and 
things like that. 

1796
01:11:00,980 --> 01:11:04,100
And the point is in the current 
system we have, let's say Labour

1797
01:11:04,150 --> 01:11:06,560
get a majority of on it, like 
20. 

1798
01:11:06,850 --> 01:11:10,390
Let's just say they get 20, more
than half it within that 20, 

1799
01:11:10,440 --> 01:11:14,930
let's say there's 30 or 40 of 
them out of 380 MP's who are 

1800
01:11:14,940 --> 01:11:17,730
extremely left wing and the 
Labour Party, they then have the

1801
01:11:17,740 --> 01:11:20,850
power to veto any law. 
So these small minorities 

1802
01:11:20,860 --> 01:11:23,710
extremes have huge power in 
these parties because let's say 

1803
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,810
here Slama wants to bring 
something very centrist in the 

1804
01:11:26,820 --> 01:11:28,670
left, the left, right. 
No, no, no, no, no. 

1805
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,550
We can't lower tax for rich 
people for whatever reason. 

1806
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,110
They have the power to vote no, 
and it won't get through as law,

1807
01:11:35,150 --> 01:11:38,110
even though it's only about 40 
people, because that, that, that

1808
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:39,860
number of votes takes you past 
halfway. 

1809
01:11:39,910 --> 01:11:41,570
Hmm. 
And that's what's happened with 

1810
01:11:41,580 --> 01:11:42,980
the Tories a lot in the last few
years. 

1811
01:11:42,990 --> 01:11:44,460
Yeah. 
Which is the right wing I've got

1812
01:11:44,470 --> 01:11:46,370
No, no, not voting for that. 
And then they can't get law 

1813
01:11:46,380 --> 01:11:47,640
through. 
That's why Theresa May stopped 

1814
01:11:47,650 --> 01:11:48,780
being. 
Prime in their own party. 

1815
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:50,580
It's like, yeah, because. 
Theresa May could get Brexit 

1816
01:11:50,590 --> 01:11:52,570
done because there was nothing 
could get through Parliament 

1817
01:11:52,580 --> 01:11:54,570
because the extreme right wing 
were like, no, it's not right, 

1818
01:11:54,580 --> 01:11:56,290
we're not leaving. 
But you, you want us to stay in 

1819
01:11:56,300 --> 01:11:58,160
the customs union? 
You want us to stay linked with 

1820
01:11:58,170 --> 01:12:00,450
Europe not having it. 
And their own party were 

1821
01:12:00,460 --> 01:12:03,360
blocking them. 
So my point here is we could end

1822
01:12:03,370 --> 01:12:06,400
up seeing if Labour get a 
smaller majority. 

1823
01:12:06,410 --> 01:12:08,860
Yeah, we could end up seeing 
these small pockets of Labour 

1824
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:11,050
having a lot of influence and a 
lot of people won't like that. 

1825
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:13,520
Really interesting. 
A lot of people voted Labour 

1826
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:15,600
will be ohh, don't know about 
that. 

1827
01:12:15,730 --> 01:12:20,330
Get Jesser back, you're gonna do
yourself up for a lot of haters.

1828
01:12:20,340 --> 01:12:23,600
No, I think I'm because I'm not 
really that into politics. 

1829
01:12:23,610 --> 01:12:25,800
I just they're all like. 
Everyone gets broadband that 

1830
01:12:25,810 --> 01:12:27,480
sounds good. 
Yeah, do you know what even 

1831
01:12:27,490 --> 01:12:30,300
that's all I resonate with 
Jeremy Corbyn is. 

1832
01:12:30,530 --> 01:12:32,090
I just think he's a nice human 
being. 

1833
01:12:32,350 --> 01:12:37,180
And in my experience of politics
in my whole life, I don't think 

1834
01:12:37,470 --> 01:12:39,220
any other politician is a nice 
human being. 

1835
01:12:39,230 --> 01:12:41,080
I'm not even not even joking. 
I'm not even exaggerating. 

1836
01:12:41,090 --> 01:12:45,000
I I genuinely don't think that 
is in single other politician at

1837
01:12:45,010 --> 01:12:48,320
the top is a nice person. 
I think they're all horrible, 

1838
01:12:48,330 --> 01:12:50,220
horrible people. 
Whereas I think Jeremy Corbyn, 

1839
01:12:50,430 --> 01:12:53,060
yeah, was an actual nice human 
being and I don't think it was 

1840
01:12:53,070 --> 01:12:55,180
even fake. 
I think he genuinely cares about

1841
01:12:55,190 --> 01:12:56,490
people. 
So a couple of things gonna come

1842
01:12:56,500 --> 01:12:59,780
back on very quickly is he's got
a lot of anti-Semitic people 

1843
01:12:59,790 --> 01:13:01,760
saying he's anti-Semitic. 
So I would be very careful 

1844
01:13:01,770 --> 01:13:03,750
saying. 
That to me, that's just being 

1845
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,440
completely, completely derailed 
and debunked and and very much. 

1846
01:13:06,450 --> 01:13:07,720
Proven to be. 
That's fine. 

1847
01:13:07,730 --> 01:13:10,040
The the cause of like big money 
and conservative. 

1848
01:13:10,050 --> 01:13:12,360
Partners I don't know because 
it's just there's a lot from 

1849
01:13:12,370 --> 01:13:13,500
inside. 
The Labour Party said he was 

1850
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:16,260
anti-Semitic as well. 
It just, it's just nonsense to 

1851
01:13:16,270 --> 01:13:18,120
me. 
Cares about everyone in the 

1852
01:13:18,130 --> 01:13:20,430
world, is in his whole life 
talking about literally everyone

1853
01:13:20,440 --> 01:13:23,130
and every action he's ever done 
proves that he loves and cares 

1854
01:13:23,140 --> 01:13:26,080
about every single human being 
except except Jews. 

1855
01:13:26,090 --> 01:13:27,720
Jewish people. 
But he also didn't condemn 

1856
01:13:27,730 --> 01:13:28,250
Hamas. 
Who? 

1857
01:13:29,010 --> 01:13:31,280
You just didn't. 
He hasn't condemn them, but in 

1858
01:13:31,290 --> 01:13:32,880
this whole Israel. 
Have you seen the entire 

1859
01:13:32,890 --> 01:13:34,440
government also not doing that 
now? 

1860
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:36,920
No, they've condemned Hamas. 
I took my while I didn't. 

1861
01:13:36,930 --> 01:13:39,110
Read about they hate hammer. 
You mean the Israel government? 

1862
01:13:39,150 --> 01:13:41,110
No, our government, they were 
very much throw up ages. 

1863
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:42,660
They weren't taking. 
They weren't taking sides. 

1864
01:13:42,670 --> 01:13:44,210
Right, They took Israel side 
immediately. 

1865
01:13:44,220 --> 01:13:45,380
That was the whole. 
Point, right. 

1866
01:13:45,390 --> 01:13:47,660
OK, Yeah, everyone took it did, 
yeah. 

1867
01:13:47,670 --> 01:13:48,660
That's right. 
Yeah. 

1868
01:13:48,670 --> 01:13:51,750
But I'm just saying like, not 
condemning Hamas is insane. 

1869
01:13:51,810 --> 01:13:53,620
Yeah. 
There are terrorist organisation

1870
01:13:53,630 --> 01:13:56,540
who attacked and invaded another
country and took hostages and 

1871
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:59,390
killed hundreds of people. 
So as soon as someone doesn't 

1872
01:13:59,650 --> 01:14:03,070
condemn Hamas, yeah, I am like, 
that's really weird and it does 

1873
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:04,380
stink of antisemitism. 
Does it? 

1874
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:06,400
Does it ring through the same 
other other way round though? 

1875
01:14:06,410 --> 01:14:08,770
When it was like it took them 
months to not condemn Israel for

1876
01:14:08,780 --> 01:14:10,970
literally like decimating 
suggestions. 

1877
01:14:10,980 --> 01:14:12,900
I think there's there was a bit 
of a grace period where it was 

1878
01:14:12,910 --> 01:14:14,550
like, you gonna retaliate. 
Yeah. 

1879
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:15,860
Yeah. 
But when they're consistently 

1880
01:14:15,870 --> 01:14:18,270
bombing innocent children in 
Palestine, I think Israel are 

1881
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:19,520
disgusting as well. 
Yeah. 

1882
01:14:19,530 --> 01:14:24,700
So all I'm saying here is it's 
fine for us to say that's how 

1883
01:14:24,710 --> 01:14:27,540
could you not condemn Israel for
literally killing millions of 

1884
01:14:27,550 --> 01:14:28,940
innocent people? 
That's crazy. 

1885
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:30,710
Why are they still doing this 
and coming off the water and 

1886
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:31,850
doing war crimes? 
Yeah. 

1887
01:14:32,450 --> 01:14:35,660
OK, but also we can't then 
ignore people who don't condemn 

1888
01:14:35,670 --> 01:14:38,000
Hamas. 
No, but it's the same thing in 

1889
01:14:38,010 --> 01:14:41,810
terms of but the problem is 
because Jeremy Corbyn was then 

1890
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:43,080
derailed. 
He lost his whole career and 

1891
01:14:43,090 --> 01:14:44,740
he's anti-Semitic for not doing 
that. 

1892
01:14:44,830 --> 01:14:46,970
The the current government for 
literally doing the same thing 

1893
01:14:46,980 --> 01:14:49,090
and not condemning Israel for 
months after they killed 

1894
01:14:49,480 --> 01:14:51,490
millions, but they took thousand
children. 

1895
01:14:51,500 --> 01:14:53,980
It's ohh, no, they're they're 
not all they're not racist. 

1896
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:54,790
They're. 
Not racist, no. 

1897
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,860
No, but I'm saying they are. 
Yeah, I know. 

1898
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:58,870
A lot of people are saying that.
My point is it was very active, 

1899
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:00,390
very differently. 
We'd happily talk about 

1900
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:01,970
government now, but this is 
right. 

1901
01:15:01,980 --> 01:15:05,120
Areas like Jeremy, Ohh, no, 
those anti-Semitic things like 

1902
01:15:05,130 --> 01:15:07,760
yeah, it's no different to. 
Yeah, but what I'm saying is I'm

1903
01:15:07,770 --> 01:15:08,910
not. 
I'm not stood here. 

1904
01:15:08,980 --> 01:15:11,520
You're stood here and you'd 
really like Jeremy Corbyn on 

1905
01:15:11,530 --> 01:15:13,700
those eyes and I really like 
she's doing that or I really 

1906
01:15:13,710 --> 01:15:14,660
like. 
No, I know. 

1907
01:15:14,670 --> 01:15:15,940
Yeah. 
Like so that is the difference. 

1908
01:15:15,950 --> 01:15:18,890
But my point is you could you 
were you were in anyway that was

1909
01:15:18,900 --> 01:15:20,140
a bit dangerous to say, like 
Jeremy I. 

1910
01:15:20,150 --> 01:15:21,330
Think it's also dangerous to say
like. 

1911
01:15:21,970 --> 01:15:23,610
Yeah, but it is OK, that's 
completely fine. 

1912
01:15:23,620 --> 01:15:25,900
And our society like you 
wouldn't get people could come 

1913
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:28,840
at me now and be like you're 
anti-Semitic now because you 

1914
01:15:28,850 --> 01:15:30,890
like Jeremy Corbyn. 
But yeah, if if I said I'd like 

1915
01:15:30,900 --> 01:15:32,650
to wish you soon out and people 
would come up to me and say, 

1916
01:15:32,660 --> 01:15:35,270
ohh, you hate Palestinians. 
Yeah, I think it's just, it's 

1917
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,380
just I think a lot of people. 
Would entail maybe? 

1918
01:15:37,470 --> 01:15:39,540
But yeah, you're But we got 
right wing press. 

1919
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:43,210
Yeah, you got the establishment 
who are considerably right wing.

1920
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:45,220
And that's what I don't get when
people say like everything's 

1921
01:15:45,230 --> 01:15:47,630
left wing. 
So yeah, what is it is. 

1922
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,630
It I, I don't, yeah, I'm, I'm 
too down a hole now. 

1923
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,270
Jeremy Corbyn. 
There's so many logical reasons 

1924
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:53,540
for that. 
Just just so. 

1925
01:15:53,550 --> 01:15:56,770
Obviously he wasn't honest. 
I, I don't know enough. 

1926
01:15:56,780 --> 01:15:58,030
I'm not gonna sit here and say 
it wasn't. 

1927
01:15:58,300 --> 01:16:00,330
Because it's so obvious, it's 
just mental to me. 

1928
01:16:00,340 --> 01:16:01,860
It's. 
OK, because. 

1929
01:16:01,870 --> 01:16:03,670
He didn't like it. 
I don't like what they're doing 

1930
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:05,390
right now. 
He just also didn't like them. 

1931
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:07,690
What they doing literally the 
same thing years ago I. 

1932
01:16:07,700 --> 01:16:09,030
Agree. 
And I think anyone being called 

1933
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:10,750
anti-Semitic for that, I I think
that's crazy. 

1934
01:16:10,830 --> 01:16:13,900
That's something being against 
the state actions and against a 

1935
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:16,540
race of people. 
Yeah, but I think not condemning

1936
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:18,520
Hamas is anti-Semitic. 
Yeah. 

1937
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:19,360
Do you think so? 
Yeah. 

1938
01:16:19,370 --> 01:16:21,300
Anti-Semitic. 
Yeah, I mean, unreal, they asked

1939
01:16:21,310 --> 01:16:23,980
quite clearly. 
A terrorist organisation going 

1940
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:25,720
after Jewish people. 
And where they then as well, I 

1941
01:16:25,730 --> 01:16:27,640
don't know. 
Yeah, Hamas 100%. 

1942
01:16:27,690 --> 01:16:31,320
Yeah, Hamas by definition there 
are terrorist group backed by 

1943
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:35,810
other Middle Eastern countries. 
And this is not me saying people

1944
01:16:35,820 --> 01:16:38,520
who live in Palestine are all 
anti-Semitic, this is me saying 

1945
01:16:38,530 --> 01:16:40,950
an organisation which is a 
terrorist organisation which are

1946
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:44,720
act on October the 7th Israel 
because well, they want their 

1947
01:16:44,730 --> 01:16:45,800
land back as well. 
I get that. 

1948
01:16:45,810 --> 01:16:49,640
But that that is they are 
anti-Semitic, They are anti 

1949
01:16:49,650 --> 01:16:51,700
Jewish people. 
Yeah, whatever you can justify 

1950
01:16:51,710 --> 01:16:53,390
as much as you want to say, well
they took their land as a 

1951
01:16:53,450 --> 01:16:55,160
whatever. 
They are anti-Semitic though. 

1952
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:56,420
Yeah, sure. 
Completely. 

1953
01:16:56,470 --> 01:16:59,920
Netanyahu is Islamophobic, who's
the leader of Israel? 

1954
01:16:59,930 --> 01:17:03,140
He is, that's it. 
That's Islamophobia hate, that's

1955
01:17:03,150 --> 01:17:05,320
anti-Semitic. 
That is absolutely true. 

1956
01:17:05,410 --> 01:17:09,020
So not condemning Hamas to me is
completely insane. 

1957
01:17:09,070 --> 01:17:11,730
And if anyone tries to defend 
him and say that what they're 

1958
01:17:11,740 --> 01:17:14,100
doing is accept I would just be 
like it's not though. 

1959
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,130
And I know it's a like massively
grey area, the whole peace talks

1960
01:17:17,140 --> 01:17:21,350
and stuff, but not condemning a 
terrorist organisation for 

1961
01:17:21,420 --> 01:17:23,990
crossing the border and 
literally murdering innocent 

1962
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:24,870
people? 
Yeah. 

1963
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,060
Is insane when you're then 
saying, well that's what they're

1964
01:17:27,070 --> 01:17:28,490
doing to Palestine, they're 
medicine. 

1965
01:17:28,500 --> 01:17:29,990
Yeah, that's awful. 
Both awful. 

1966
01:17:30,050 --> 01:17:30,720
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1967
01:17:31,180 --> 01:17:32,420
That's what, that's my opinion 
on that. 

1968
01:17:32,540 --> 01:17:33,990
But you know, we're going down a
rabbit hole here. 

1969
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:38,190
Macro politics, these nice light
hearted teacher podcast. 

1970
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,590
I know, Jesus, I actually kind 
of forgot we're recording a 

1971
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,240
podcast and I'm just anyway, 
this is the most genuine chat 

1972
01:17:43,250 --> 01:17:44,890
I've ever had. 
You know more than I do actually

1973
01:17:44,900 --> 01:17:47,340
quite interesting. 
I do genuinely no, but you do 

1974
01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:48,660
the expert. 
Cause I don't, I don't expect 

1975
01:17:48,670 --> 01:17:50,480
you expect, but you know more 
than me about some of that 

1976
01:17:50,490 --> 01:17:52,390
stuff. 
Like I, I don't, I didn't know 

1977
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,850
that, you know, I mean, I didn't
really know that he had actively

1978
01:17:55,860 --> 01:17:59,090
hadn't condemned Hamas. 
So what he does really well, 

1979
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:01,790
yeah, is he'll be like, he'll 
say, someone say to him, do you 

1980
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:02,860
condemn Hamas? 
Yeah. 

1981
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:05,160
And he'll do the He'll turn into
that classic politician that you

1982
01:18:05,170 --> 01:18:06,190
hate. 
The question. 

1983
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,650
Of course I don't like it 
killing innocent people. 

1984
01:18:08,740 --> 01:18:10,830
Yeah, so don't do you condemn 
what Hamas did. 

1985
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:12,480
Of course, I don't wanna see 
innocent people. 

1986
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,380
Yeah. 
Can you just say that you 

1987
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:17,290
condemn Hamas for what they did 
as a terrorist organisation? 

1988
01:18:17,300 --> 01:18:19,490
Yeah. 
Look, I think whenever innocent 

1989
01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:21,630
people are killed, it's bad. 
And then his defenders go see, 

1990
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,220
he said it, See he said and 
yeah, but he's doing that 

1991
01:18:24,230 --> 01:18:25,390
politics thing. 
Yeah, sure. 

1992
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:27,900
Whereas he were very, very, 
very, very, very comfortably 

1993
01:18:27,970 --> 01:18:29,990
talk about how horrendous the 
Israeli government are. 

1994
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:31,590
They should never be doing it. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1995
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,600
That's that's when it's like, 
and that's fine. 

1996
01:18:33,610 --> 01:18:35,670
Yeah, yeah. 
But he when his hearts around 

1997
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:37,320
doing it the other way. 
I'm like, there's something 

1998
01:18:37,330 --> 01:18:39,110
there. 
Is weird, but the way I see it 

1999
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:40,560
is he was years ahead of pop 
culture. 

2000
01:18:40,570 --> 01:18:43,160
Now now everyone finally is 
suddenly like you look at any 

2001
01:18:43,170 --> 01:18:45,180
social media ever. 
It's like, ohh, 3 past nine. 

2002
01:18:45,250 --> 01:18:47,420
Everyone is now being like, oh, 
this is a bit mental actually 

2003
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:49,770
what they're doing. 
He, I think he was just years 

2004
01:18:49,780 --> 01:18:51,380
ahead of that. 
And, and back then, you know, 

2005
01:18:51,390 --> 01:18:53,390
when no one knew the full 
context, it was like, oh, he 

2006
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,810
just hates Jews run by. 
And he was like, well, it 

2007
01:18:55,820 --> 01:18:56,940
probably is deeper than this, 
though. 

2008
01:18:56,950 --> 01:18:59,510
It probably is deeper because 
actually I might be able to say 

2009
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,920
the same about 90% of the 
population in England right now.

2010
01:19:01,930 --> 01:19:02,740
Then you will. 
You will. 

2011
01:19:02,750 --> 01:19:03,940
Hate what? 
I love you a lot of people. 

2012
01:19:03,950 --> 01:19:05,250
You just not like what Israel 
are doing. 

2013
01:19:05,260 --> 01:19:07,160
A lot of people are Islamophobic
in this country. 

2014
01:19:07,230 --> 01:19:08,360
Islamophobic. 
Yeah. 

2015
01:19:08,430 --> 01:19:10,800
Yeah, completely. 
And the other way in terms of 

2016
01:19:10,810 --> 01:19:13,610
that's that's why, that's why 
he's seen even extras like this.

2017
01:19:13,620 --> 01:19:16,340
He's he's lefty, Muslim, social 
social. 

2018
01:19:16,350 --> 01:19:17,870
Life. 
Yeah, OK. 

2019
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:18,920
He's just got a different 
opinion. 

2020
01:19:18,930 --> 01:19:20,390
Yeah. 
Probably just sort of there are 

2021
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,290
horrible inequality and 
injustice that's happening. 

2022
01:19:22,300 --> 01:19:26,420
There were certain things that 
he's done which are a bit weird.

2023
01:19:26,750 --> 01:19:29,180
Yeah, in that respect. 
And it's like, ohh. 

2024
01:19:29,250 --> 01:19:31,690
And could approach it different.
The whole idea again of like, 

2025
01:19:31,700 --> 01:19:34,220
you know, it was ingrained in 
the in the Labour Party. 

2026
01:19:34,230 --> 01:19:37,220
And like there's been reports 
and stuff that worth reading. 

2027
01:19:37,290 --> 01:19:39,820
It's. 
It's not a straightforward. 

2028
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:41,680
It's just. 
He's a nice guy. 

2029
01:19:41,810 --> 01:19:43,530
He's like, and everyone else is 
a bad guy. 

2030
01:19:43,540 --> 01:19:46,360
It's like, do you know what? 
Rory Stewart was a Conservative 

2031
01:19:46,370 --> 01:19:48,500
MP for a long time. 
And I really like him because I 

2032
01:19:48,510 --> 01:19:49,660
listen to his podcast. 
Yeah. 

2033
01:19:49,670 --> 01:19:51,920
And he's left the Tories now 
because he went under Boris 

2034
01:19:51,930 --> 01:19:53,230
Johnson. 
He was like, I'm not serving on 

2035
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:55,540
this guy. 
Yeah, yeah, and I was and and 

2036
01:19:55,550 --> 01:19:57,840
you know, there's a few 
conservative politicians who are

2037
01:19:57,850 --> 01:20:01,400
good people, but I can't get on 
board with them that they enable

2038
01:20:01,410 --> 01:20:04,490
that machine right now. 
OK, well, I'd never vote for you

2039
01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:06,560
because I never that I think 
you're a nice person. 

2040
01:20:06,610 --> 01:20:08,960
But you have also imposed a cap 
on benefits. 

2041
01:20:09,150 --> 01:20:10,520
You have also overseen 
austerity. 

2042
01:20:10,530 --> 01:20:12,870
You also defend austerity. 
You think the King's the best 

2043
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:14,750
thing in the world. 
And I'm like, I don't agree with

2044
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:16,940
any of that. 
But we can be humans on a human 

2045
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:18,230
level. 
And I cannot hate you. 

2046
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:19,820
And I'm not think you're out to 
get me. 

2047
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:22,220
I can think that you're trying 
to help in a different way to me

2048
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:27,130
for sure. 
But yeah, as as a machine, my 

2049
01:20:27,140 --> 01:20:30,110
overall arching point here of 
politics is for a 14 year 

2050
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,700
machine since 2010, which is 
literally my adult life, by the 

2051
01:20:32,710 --> 01:20:34,150
way. 
Yeah, literally my adult life 

2052
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:35,390
has been a Conservative 
government. 

2053
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:40,360
I couldn't vote in 2010 but I 
could vote from then on and my 

2054
01:20:40,370 --> 01:20:44,430
life has not got objectively 
better for the same what I would

2055
01:20:44,440 --> 01:20:45,830
be as a 30 year old at this 
point. 

2056
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,340
I don't think there's, there's 
been multiple times where it's 

2057
01:20:48,350 --> 01:20:51,050
been proven that they're just 
scumbags who are just literally 

2058
01:20:51,060 --> 01:20:54,240
lining their mates pockets. 
Yeah, I don't want them in power

2059
01:20:54,250 --> 01:20:55,960
anymore and that's the bottom 
line for me. 

2060
01:20:56,010 --> 01:20:58,210
So whatever anyone else can say 
to me, I'm not. 

2061
01:20:58,510 --> 01:21:00,240
That's great. 
But if you also don't want them 

2062
01:21:00,250 --> 01:21:02,560
in power, there is things we can
do to try and make that. 

2063
01:21:02,570 --> 01:21:03,650
Happen. 
I've got devil's advocate for 

2064
01:21:03,660 --> 01:21:04,660
you. 
It's been thrown at me before. 

2065
01:21:04,670 --> 01:21:06,340
And it's one of those questions 
where I think the trick is in 

2066
01:21:06,350 --> 01:21:09,640
the question you just said life 
is not objectively got better 

2067
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:11,680
since, you know, since you 
became an adult. 

2068
01:21:12,090 --> 01:21:13,590
But you're in a better position 
right now. 

2069
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:15,280
Yeah. 
You're like you're you're in a 

2070
01:21:15,290 --> 01:21:17,180
much better position than you 
were personally. 

2071
01:21:17,190 --> 01:21:18,760
I'm 15. 
Years, I really tried to get 

2072
01:21:18,770 --> 01:21:21,680
that in my first answer and I 
couldn't get the words out. 

2073
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:26,240
My trajectory, yeah, of life, 
obviously my wealth has improved

2074
01:21:26,350 --> 01:21:28,590
over time. 
I think my wealth and and 

2075
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,880
well-being and of the country in
general would have improved much

2076
01:21:31,890 --> 01:21:34,150
more on this trajectory. 
Because obviously as you move 

2077
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:37,260
through time, you yourself, 
that's why as you grow older, 

2078
01:21:37,270 --> 01:21:39,590
people tend to become more 
conservative because they've 

2079
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,600
built their wealth now and they 
want to hold on to it because it

2080
01:21:41,610 --> 01:21:44,350
was a struggle to get there. 
On the macro level of the 

2081
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:47,070
country, if you just took a 
snapshot in 2010 and a snapshot 

2082
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:50,370
in 2024, yeah, the average 
person is worse off. 

2083
01:21:50,380 --> 01:21:51,870
Yeah. 
And you think it's OK to mention

2084
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:55,130
these sorts of things even if 
you personally have actually? 

2085
01:21:55,220 --> 01:21:56,730
Benefited quite well. 
I've hated it. 

2086
01:21:56,740 --> 01:21:58,730
I've always hated it when 
someone uses phrases like 

2087
01:21:58,780 --> 01:22:01,930
champagne socialist and stuff, 
which is essentially just it's 

2088
01:22:01,940 --> 01:22:03,990
OK for you to like socialism 
because you're well off. 

2089
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,100
And it's like, what? 
Yeah. 

2090
01:22:07,150 --> 01:22:10,300
Tax me more like, yeah. 
Like when we pay tax for our 

2091
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:11,390
business. 
Hmm. 

2092
01:22:11,430 --> 01:22:14,200
Like I, I genuinely never care. 
Yeah. 

2093
01:22:14,210 --> 01:22:16,620
I'm like, cool, that's built in.
And that's because we need to 

2094
01:22:16,630 --> 01:22:18,840
pay tax. 
And what I will never understand

2095
01:22:18,900 --> 01:22:24,040
is people who want to pay, like,
have much lower tax, like have 

2096
01:22:24,050 --> 01:22:25,280
big tax cuts. 
Basically. 

2097
01:22:25,390 --> 01:22:27,460
It's like, cool, well, do you 
want the NHS to work? 

2098
01:22:27,750 --> 01:22:29,670
Do you do you like this system 
we have? 

2099
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:33,060
Because currently it's broken. 
We've got the highest taxes ever

2100
01:22:33,070 --> 01:22:35,950
since World War Two and probably
the worst, honestly, the worst 

2101
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,940
systems and care that we have. 
And I don't this is gonna be a 

2102
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:40,940
hard thing for any government to
solve because we got an ageing 

2103
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:43,910
population as well who need the 
services more but will 

2104
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,180
contribute less tax. 
And I think the only way to go 

2105
01:22:46,190 --> 01:22:48,280
about it, I'm just saying right 
now is some kind of wealth tax. 

2106
01:22:48,650 --> 01:22:51,190
Like if someone sat on a 
property for 40 years and it's 

2107
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:54,040
gone from costing 30 grand to 
1.2 million. 

2108
01:22:54,090 --> 01:22:56,680
Yeah, I don't think that person 
should get all of that money. 

2109
01:22:56,810 --> 01:22:58,640
They've not all that's happened 
in that case. 

2110
01:22:58,650 --> 01:22:59,780
Is just do that? 
Why would they? 

2111
01:22:59,790 --> 01:23:01,840
Socialist change because they 
could, they could sell. 

2112
01:23:01,850 --> 01:23:03,820
What I mean is I don't think I 
should just stay in the family. 

2113
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:05,690
I think it should be a really 
big wealth tax on that. 

2114
01:23:05,820 --> 01:23:07,160
OK. 
Well, the reason isn't it is 

2115
01:23:07,170 --> 01:23:09,290
that it's already 40% capital. 
Gains over a million, 

2116
01:23:09,300 --> 01:23:11,690
inheritance over a million. 
There's not. 

2117
01:23:11,700 --> 01:23:12,710
It's your, it's your first 
house. 

2118
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:14,010
There's no capital gains. 
Yeah, there is. 

2119
01:23:14,020 --> 01:23:15,810
No, it's not. 
If it's your only property, 

2120
01:23:15,820 --> 01:23:18,260
there's no capital gains tax. 
It's on the second property. 

2121
01:23:18,270 --> 01:23:18,700
Ohh. 
Is it? 

2122
01:23:18,710 --> 01:23:19,950
Yeah. 
So if I sold this house and just

2123
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:21,610
didn't buy another house, I just
get the full profit? 

2124
01:23:21,620 --> 01:23:22,330
Yeah. 
That's mad. 

2125
01:23:22,340 --> 01:23:23,810
I thought it was 20% first 
property. 

2126
01:23:23,820 --> 01:23:25,310
There's no. 
I didn't know that it was all 

2127
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:26,620
properties. 
I'd be very happy to prove him 

2128
01:23:26,630 --> 01:23:28,350
wrong, but I'm not completely 
under the impression that it's 

2129
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:29,090
second. 
It makes sense. 

2130
01:23:29,100 --> 01:23:29,840
It might be. 
Yeah. 

2131
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:31,270
But there is inheritance tax and
stuff. 

2132
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:32,590
And it's like some people want 
that car. 

2133
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:36,220
No, no, no, no, no, no. 
Especially for if it's your 

2134
01:23:36,230 --> 01:23:38,260
business and you build stuff up.
I I see that. 

2135
01:23:38,270 --> 01:23:42,230
I do see that differently from 
living in a home that you got 

2136
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:43,500
when it happened to be 
affordable. 

2137
01:23:43,550 --> 01:23:46,520
And now that is just honestly 
nothing. 

2138
01:23:46,590 --> 01:23:50,840
And again, Rishi Sunak, look at 
his numbers because he's made 

2139
01:23:50,850 --> 01:23:53,290
millions right through 
investments and stocks and 

2140
01:23:53,300 --> 01:23:55,450
shares. 
The the idea that that is taxed 

2141
01:23:55,460 --> 01:23:57,960
less than actual work is insane 
to me. 

2142
01:23:58,010 --> 01:23:59,570
Yeah. 
And that should be immediately. 

2143
01:23:59,580 --> 01:24:01,940
Passive income, yeah, he didn't 
trade time for. 

2144
01:24:02,130 --> 01:24:06,840
Like someone working as a nurse 
who earns 40 grand a year pays a

2145
01:24:06,850 --> 01:24:09,350
higher percentage of tax on 
their income than Rishi Sunak 

2146
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,440
pays on his millions. 
Than Rishi Sunak does on 

2147
01:24:11,450 --> 01:24:12,740
interest he got for those 40 
grand. 

2148
01:24:12,750 --> 01:24:15,510
Yeah, interest or or investments
or dividends or anything like 

2149
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:17,560
that. 
The the threshold is lower. 

2150
01:24:17,630 --> 01:24:20,400
We take evidence through our 
company, if they turn round and 

2151
01:24:20,410 --> 01:24:22,400
say dividends are going to be 
taxed exactly in line with 

2152
01:24:22,410 --> 01:24:26,040
income, we pay more tax. 
I also don't think we'd have a 

2153
01:24:26,050 --> 01:24:28,600
leg to stand on pretending that 
that was not fair. 

2154
01:24:29,230 --> 01:24:31,250
Yeah, we we'd have less money, 
right? 

2155
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:33,820
But I think that's where you 
gotta stand on moral duty and 

2156
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:37,090
say, well, we are also just 
working, you know, that is, that

2157
01:24:37,100 --> 01:24:38,620
is our work. 
So why should it not be the same

2158
01:24:38,630 --> 01:24:40,560
as attaching work? 
It's insane to me. 

2159
01:24:40,570 --> 01:24:44,570
And that's where a lot of people
were like, Nah, it's especially 

2160
01:24:44,580 --> 01:24:45,980
when you talk about Rishi Sunak 
level. 

2161
01:24:46,700 --> 01:24:48,570
I think the system's OK at the 
minute. 

2162
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:49,890
I mean, why would we change 
that? 

2163
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:51,150
Yeah, it's not. 
Fair. 

2164
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:53,950
Yeah, we all benefit. 
Percentage, I paid way more tax 

2165
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:55,960
than you. 
Yeah, but as a percentage you 

2166
01:24:55,970 --> 01:24:56,910
don't. 
Yeah. 

2167
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:59,650
The idea that I think Rishi 
Sunak pays something like 26% on

2168
01:24:59,660 --> 01:25:02,030
his tax, it worked out he had 4 
million and paid about a million

2169
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:02,910
in tax. 
Yeah. 

2170
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:06,910
If you earn 40 grand and and 
spent 12 grand on tax, that's a 

2171
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:08,330
higher percentage of that's 
going on. 

2172
01:25:08,340 --> 01:25:09,160
Tax, yeah, yeah. 
And. 

2173
01:25:09,170 --> 01:25:11,320
That's wrong, and it doesn't 
matter that a million to 12. 

2174
01:25:11,330 --> 01:25:12,990
Grand doesn't have a place, is 
it not? 

2175
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:14,990
A lot of people do confuse like,
well, he did put a million into 

2176
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,660
the system. 
So you know it took 3,000,000 

2177
01:25:16,670 --> 01:25:18,060
out. 
They got a lot more like his 

2178
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:20,330
life is better though, yeah. 
Because it only because he had 

2179
01:25:20,340 --> 01:25:21,770
money in the 1st place to put 
into these. 

2180
01:25:21,780 --> 01:25:23,680
You know, investments and stuff.
Yeah, I hate that argument. 

2181
01:25:23,730 --> 01:25:25,850
It's unbelievable. 
This episode going really long. 

2182
01:25:25,860 --> 01:25:27,470
We haven't actually done any of 
the things we planned. 

2183
01:25:27,480 --> 01:25:28,940
What do I do? 
Well, yeah, we should. 

2184
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:31,520
We should. 
We should probably end it. 

2185
01:25:31,570 --> 01:25:34,300
Yeah, I'm gonna come to you 
maybe with. 

2186
01:25:34,610 --> 01:25:36,530
Well, I guess we can summarise. 
We're going to say here. 

2187
01:25:36,540 --> 01:25:38,000
Now we're not going to talk 
about this again. 

2188
01:25:38,010 --> 01:25:39,520
Why don't we say this? 
The next episode we talk about 

2189
01:25:39,530 --> 01:25:40,460
it. 
Properly, we were going to talk 

2190
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:42,740
about like what Labour did last 
time and how much of it was 

2191
01:25:42,750 --> 01:25:43,050
good. 
How? 

2192
01:25:43,060 --> 01:25:46,850
Much people off. 
No, no, we'll, we'll put it in a

2193
01:25:46,860 --> 01:25:49,060
way that's digestible because 
again, lots of people listen. 

2194
01:25:49,070 --> 01:25:51,630
Our teachers, we're gonna talk 
about education in particular. 

2195
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:54,030
What do we want to actually see?
Happen yeah, we're gonna reflect

2196
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:56,050
on yeah, New Labour when they 
were in and what they did for 

2197
01:25:56,060 --> 01:25:59,150
education compared to the last 
15 years and maybe think. 

2198
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:00,890
What can we actually do in the 
future to make education? 

2199
01:26:00,900 --> 01:26:03,280
And it's gonna be, we're not 
gonna be like Silver Linings we 

2200
01:26:03,290 --> 01:26:05,170
could be looking at. 
A lot of labour done was 

2201
01:26:05,180 --> 01:26:05,770
probably. 
Bad. 

2202
01:26:05,820 --> 01:26:07,340
Yeah, yeah, we'll reflect on all
of it. 

2203
01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:08,770
We're gonna pick out the good 
stuff, so. 

2204
01:26:08,780 --> 01:26:10,390
Stick around for that. 
I've got some questions from 

2205
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:11,970
people and I'll just knock them 
onto next time. 

2206
01:26:11,980 --> 01:26:16,990
Yeah. 
You said as a question, yeah, I 

2207
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,850
am still do one, I am sorry one.
Question And this is the end. 

2208
01:26:19,860 --> 01:26:24,280
OK, OK, so the only question 
here is let's go for OK, Should 

2209
01:26:24,290 --> 01:26:25,450
I? 
OK, you've gotta vote here. 

2210
01:26:25,460 --> 01:26:27,290
You gotta tell me for the last 
question, should I do the 

2211
01:26:27,300 --> 01:26:30,410
incredibly one that made me like
burst out laughing and was just 

2212
01:26:30,420 --> 01:26:32,910
really provocative, or should I 
do the one where you can 

2213
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:33,990
actually give me a proper 
answer? 

2214
01:26:34,030 --> 01:26:35,890
Provocative one, because we've 
had a lot of serious chats. 

2215
01:26:37,470 --> 01:26:40,560
Be nice to end on this actually.
OK anyway, this is just write 

2216
01:26:40,570 --> 01:26:41,570
this. 
I said any questions for 

2217
01:26:41,580 --> 01:26:42,800
podcast. 
We talk politics, but it could 

2218
01:26:42,810 --> 01:26:44,590
be about anything. 
But mostly about politics. 

2219
01:26:45,060 --> 01:26:47,550
Question, Any idea how on earth 
there are people who work in 

2220
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:49,740
schools that actually vote Tory?
I just don't understand it. 

2221
01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:54,200
I have an idea because you know 
what, it's people like me and 

2222
01:26:54,210 --> 01:26:56,180
saying I'm sorry, who don't 
really get that involved and 

2223
01:26:56,190 --> 01:26:58,640
probably just have lots of other
influences that say, yeah, do 

2224
01:26:58,650 --> 01:27:00,020
this. 
Loads of people just vote based 

2225
01:27:00,030 --> 01:27:01,920
on what their family tell. 
Them to do or who just don't 

2226
01:27:01,930 --> 01:27:04,990
really care as much about 
education as they do about like 

2227
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,270
social wars and stuff. 
Like I I've talked to people who

2228
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:09,850
worked in a school who said they
vote Tory and their whole point 

2229
01:27:09,860 --> 01:27:11,350
was, yeah, well, they do 
something about immigration, 

2230
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:12,240
aren't. 
They yeah, yeah. 

2231
01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:14,780
And last one, all big, all big 
corporations generally vote 

2232
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:15,980
Tory. 
They got a lot more money back 

2233
01:27:15,990 --> 01:27:17,150
in them. 
There's a lot more money to 

2234
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:18,390
brainwash you into thinking a 
certain way. 

2235
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:19,830
So it's gotta work on some 
level, isn't it? 

2236
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:21,950
They wouldn't keep doing it. 
So instead listen to this 

2237
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:25,040
podcast and with our very, very 
tiny budget of £0, we will try 

2238
01:27:25,050 --> 01:27:27,090
and brainwash you the other. 
Way sorry we've got the one 

2239
01:27:27,100 --> 01:27:29,060
legit legitimate one. 
Or they just think Tory is 

2240
01:27:29,070 --> 01:27:30,430
better and they vote for. 
Legitimately. 

2241
01:27:31,770 --> 01:27:34,290
Ohh, I'd definitely so. 
Yeah, which is fair enough to be

2242
01:27:34,300 --> 01:27:35,680
honest with. 
You, it's fine if you wanna see 

2243
01:27:35,690 --> 01:27:40,230
the decimation and the action, 
the absolute destroying of, of 

2244
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:42,350
the funding for our children and
children going hungry. 

2245
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:44,530
And they had a whole macro level
of children coming into school 

2246
01:27:44,540 --> 01:27:46,550
with like dirty clothes more 
often because their family don't

2247
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:48,570
have any money at all and 
there's no support whatsoever 

2248
01:27:48,580 --> 01:27:49,960
before school. 
And then they come and they 

2249
01:27:49,970 --> 01:27:52,300
can't even be toilet trained. 
And then we've got to have much 

2250
01:27:52,310 --> 01:27:54,650
more pressure as teachers and 
actually our jobs got worse over

2251
01:27:54,660 --> 01:27:57,070
time. 
If you liked all that, vote. 

2252
01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:00,280
Tory and if you want to see 
tuition fees go from nothing to 

2253
01:28:00,290 --> 01:28:03,490
something and and that's 
becoming the most important 

2254
01:28:03,500 --> 01:28:06,760
thing of schools in Blair, 
right, We'll talk about this 

2255
01:28:06,770 --> 01:28:08,530
next week. 
Thanks guys. 

2256
01:28:08,540 --> 01:28:09,340
See you next time.