1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,400 Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Teach 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:03,000 Sleep. Repeat. 3 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:04,920 My name is. Dylan and my name's Hayden. 4 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:06,800 And it is extra. I don't know where you are in 5 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,760 the country right now, but where we are, it is extremely hot. 6 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,440 I am struggling to function as a human being. 7 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:14,520 I am thirsty at the best of times. 8 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,600 I'm actually really regretting the fact that I don't have a 9 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,280 drink right now in front of me because I don't think I'm going 10 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:19,720 to last the whole time. So whenever there's a Jingle 11 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,560 coming up, I'll be off to get a drink because it is so hot in 12 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,760 general. And I feel like the most British 13 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,680 thing in the world is to talk about the weather and also moan 14 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,560 about the weather because all of the year saying how cold and 15 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,000 miserable they are. I wish we were just somewhere 16 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,600 where it was nice. It's finally nice. 17 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,880 And I don't like you, Hayden, but I'm struggling to function 18 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:38,800 as a human being. Yeah, the the thing that on top 19 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,560 of this, right on top of all this, because obviously very 20 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,840 British, very British must know about this as well, is I can't 21 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,640 believe how many of us, including me, are allergic to 22 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,600 the Earth. Like, I don't, I don't 23 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,760 understand why I can, why I wake up in the summer. 24 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,640 Yeah, I've lived like, yes, come on, 8 months of it's being cold. 25 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,560 It's been so great. Finally got some heat. 26 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,640 Oh, I'm allergic to the air. Like what? 27 00:00:58,880 --> 00:00:59,960 Why? Hay fever? 28 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:01,120 Hay fever? Yeah, Like, why? 29 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:02,520 Why? My eyes itching? 30 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,160 Come on. We've evolved to this. 31 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,000 What's happening? It's a joke. 32 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,560 It's so true. I don't, I don't get hay fever 33 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,160 luckily, but for the first time in what I feel like is my life, 34 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,520 because I don't know, I was sneezy and had a tickly nose and 35 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,840 I felt like I felt like it was what hay fever was last week 36 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,080 when I was in school and I thought don't start now. 37 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,040 I don't want to be allergic to the. 38 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,800 Grass. One of us, one of us. 39 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,080 It's just this happened though, because I definitely what I 40 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,720 definitely did not have hay fever for a huge portion of my 41 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:33,600 life. That was not a thing I 42 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,520 experienced and I got older insane. 43 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,960 And yeah, anyway, other than, you know, so yeah, heat and hay 44 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:42,280 fever have a little moan. Well, it like, but like swerving 45 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,560 this round as we always do. It's like I made this to do at 46 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:45,800 schools because this is a school bucket. 47 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,200 Of course, is just the heat and teaching, right? 48 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,520 Because I feel like we kind of got we got to the end of the 49 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,520 week before the heat kind of kicked in really. 50 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,240 And I'm dreading if it stays until next week as we released 51 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:03,840 this podcast because teaching in a classroom of 32 children where 52 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,760 there is barely enough room to actually move, never mind 53 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,160 actually, you know, have our own space around us during what is 54 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,120 essentially a heat wave, is probably one of the worst 55 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,040 experiences that you can have in a profession. 56 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:16,600 Yeah, yeah. And I tell you what, Dylan, 57 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,400 you've actually missed out on just a little bit of icing on 58 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,240 this cake, right? Because you've not actually 59 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,560 taught you since, and I don't think I need to explain why. 60 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,640 The older you get, the more likely it is to be worth when 61 00:02:27,640 --> 00:02:29,640 you're in the room in the heated room. 62 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:31,440 After playing football for an hour. 63 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,400 On the playground, yeah, yeah, there's, there is something 64 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,000 about you see you get hardened to it. 65 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,920 Teachers do come up when at the end of the year, a day in Year 6 66 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:41,720 and a hot day and they go, whoa, they walk in, they have to get 67 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,480 acclimatised. They normally sort of wear some 68 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,720 sort of special equipment for 10 minutes just to get used to it. 69 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:46,880 You know, I've got a theory about this. 70 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,680 Well, my theory is that's why you're in year 6. 71 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:51,720 It's so that you don't feel embarrassed that it's actually 72 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,520 you that's causing that it is you. 73 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,400 Really. You're saying that Mister Sweat 74 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,920 is saying that? What what I love is at school, 75 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:02,480 Hayden and I tend to on a Tuesday, I think it's a Tuesday 76 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,240 for whatever reason, we're PP as and stuff. 77 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,360 We tend to have lunch together in my room because we don't see 78 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,720 each other really in school and we don't get all the time. 79 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,360 And every Tuesday, one of our my lovely colleagues who's a HRDA 80 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,200 who is teaching that afternoon will come around towards the end 81 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,000 of lunch just to like, you know, get the books out ready to do 82 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,920 that their lessons in the afternoon. 83 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,960 And every single time she comes in and she says, oh, it's the 84 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:26,760 meat club. Yeah, I knew you were going to 85 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,840 say that because literally this week we didn't do it. 86 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,160 She came in and she said, oh, and you know what? 87 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:33,400 You know what? I was there, but you weren't. 88 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,760 And she went, oh, it doesn't smell of meat this week, so it's 89 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,280 me. It's the meat, man. 90 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:39,800 Can we just clarify because this could sound right. 91 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,640 The reason that it's called meat club is because we eat. 92 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:43,800 Our lunch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 93 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,600 It's not just a sandwich sacks. Of meat and saying what's weird 94 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,680 is I was eating my normal lunch and she didn't. 95 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,760 She said it in the smell of the packet meat club. 96 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,040 Clearly I get packeting meaty, stinky meat for lunch. 97 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:56,760 Oh, gosh. But you were saying how Teacher 98 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,400 Tat was mentioning. Yeah, it was AC or something. 99 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,120 Yeah, I think, I think it was maybe yesterday when we were 100 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,000 recording this. It was a question it was 101 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,480 basically clearly geared towards like, what does your school do 102 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:07,880 about the heat? Because one of the questions was 103 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,240 about air conditioning, something to do with air 104 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:11,680 conditioning. And I literally remember 105 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,880 thinking about. Oh yeah, this is clearly to do 106 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,440 with the fact that schools don't have air conditioning and it's 107 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,880 horrendous in the proper heat. Is is awful. 108 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,880 Like I can I can only say you need to experience being in that 109 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:23,680 room. And do you know what? 110 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,160 Everyone was at school at some point in their life. 111 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,440 I remember being in secondary school especially and Oh my 112 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,800 goodness me, if it was a hot day, everyone like ran around 113 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:32,880 and played at break time and stuff. 114 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,520 And you're in that perfect age of just like that room must have 115 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,120 been a hot like horrendous. There's no way. 116 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:39,960 How come my teachers have taught a good lesson like that? 117 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,040 Can't be enjoyable. And they'd still say you cannot 118 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,800 take your blazer off. No, insane. 119 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,120 Oh my God, yeah. I did a whole thing about that 120 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,240 on social media. And and I'm, I'm, I'm amazed at 121 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,600 how many people still have that view of no, it's it's right. 122 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:53,960 It's the right thing to do because it's smart. 123 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:55,840 Even when it's like 5% of people. 124 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,760 I just can't fathom even that amount of people thinking that 125 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,160 it's OK to make a child really, really hot because you have to 126 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:02,880 make a jumper. Because otherwise how will I 127 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,760 have the Latin phrase on your chest that will make you feel 128 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,080 part? Of the big group what on? 129 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,240 Earth are you? Talking about the, the problem 130 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,720 is in schools with like going back to just it being horribly 131 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,560 hot and why, why it's just, it has seemingly always been like 132 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:15,880 this. It's because air conditioning is 133 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,160 so expensive and because I remember speaking to a head 134 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,520 teacher once I I worked at a school years and years ago, I 135 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,440 only worked there for one year. And in terms of like heat, it 136 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,360 was the worst experience I've ever had in my life. 137 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,520 I I cannot. Wasn't that a brand new? 138 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,400 Build it was a brand new. This is what like blows my mind. 139 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,680 It was a brand new school. And I'm not saying that. 140 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:34,720 Oh yeah, I went in there a couple of days. 141 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,000 I'm talking like literally the the year it was built like 142 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,560 brand, brand new. I was the first person ever in 143 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,520 that classroom facing the sun on the side of the building. 144 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,960 And it was like to the point where I'm like, I actually, I, 145 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,000 maybe I'm exaggerating here. I reckon it was like over the 146 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,360 like levels where you would ethically be allowed to have 147 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:52,120 human beings in there. Wow. 148 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,440 But I honestly thought that I was like you. 149 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,680 Were like a dog in the supermarket who's been left in 150 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,320 the car. Yeah, literally that was me and 151 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,360 all of the kids in my class. I was like, this can't be 152 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:01,400 allowed. Like you can't. 153 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,800 How can this be? There must be a a cap where at 154 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,280 some point it's like, Oh no, that's like legally not allowed. 155 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:07,800 You can't have kids in a room that's just hot. 156 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:10,160 Yeah, that's what it felt like. And I said, what to the head 157 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,200 teachers? Why don't we have? 158 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,200 Because what they didn't do on purpose, they're not like, yeah, 159 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:14,080 got ya. Of course. 160 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:15,360 I was like, why don't we have air conditioning? 161 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:16,800 And they sort of looked at me and they were like, do you 162 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,040 really need to answer that question? 163 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,480 Like what? We don't even have necessities. 164 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,080 In school, we don't have a chair in the classroom. 165 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,720 Yeah, I don't have a chair. Like, why do you think I was 166 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:25,560 like, Oh yeah, it's money, isn't it? 167 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,080 It's like, yeah, it costs way too much. 168 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,000 We just cannot. Afford to and how many days of 169 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,920 the year realistically? That's what he followed it up 170 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:32,640 with. He was like and realistically 171 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,000 like we'll have what 10 heat WAVY kind of days in this year? 172 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,600 We'll have a bunch of like fairly hot days that are 173 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,720 manageable. I was like, Oh yeah, but it's 174 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,760 rubbish though, isn't it? Can I, can I ask you a question 175 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,120 linked to this? Because you get children when 176 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:45,920 you have days like this and they've been in the field and 177 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,760 it's hot and they come down and they're sweating and they've 178 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:50,160 been enjoying themselves on the field. 179 00:06:50,280 --> 00:06:53,720 And they're 789 years old, OK. And they don't really have the 180 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,640 forward thinking, not maliciously, but they're just 181 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,600 enjoying themselves to think, oh, this is the time when I can 182 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,560 go to the toilet and fill up my drink and things like that. 183 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,840 And break time finishes or lunchtime finishes. 184 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:06,480 They come into your classroom and 15 of them want to go to the 185 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,280 toilet and 25 of them want to drink. 186 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,920 Yeah. What's what's your gut instincts 187 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,120 on that in general when that happens? 188 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,880 I I let it go a long time ago, this, this whole thing like I 189 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,440 used to, I used to think I had to care about that. 190 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,800 I used to be like, Oh, the powers that be. 191 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,360 If I if I am not teaching, if they if they catch me not 192 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,120 teaching for three minutes of this 2 1/2 hour afternoon for 193 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,600 some reason that we do have kids now, they'll be they won't like 194 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,400 it. And now I'm, I'm just the 195 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,920 opinion of their, their kids, they are, they've had a, they've 196 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,040 had their lunch break their hearts. 197 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,680 Like you said, they're thirsty. Just let them go to the toilet 198 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,240 and have a drink and then just start the afternoon. 199 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,560 Just let it go. You can actually just not get 200 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,400 annoyed at it at all. I realise it's a decision. 201 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:44,920 I just don't get annoyed about it. 202 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,520 Now I'm like, yeah, OK. They say, yeah, go, just go now. 203 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:48,640 Just go slowly out. I don't care. 204 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:49,680 We'll just die in a couple of minutes. 205 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,680 It's literally fine. And what do you actually gain 206 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,480 from being annoyed by it anyway? Like. 207 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:54,840 And again, you're absolutely right. 208 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,120 The only reason I've ever, ever, ever, ever been annoyed at that 209 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,160 is because I feel like I've been indoctrinated to be told I need 210 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,000 to have every single minute on learning. 211 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,240 And actually, whenever I just actually think about what my 212 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,920 inside thoughts are about a child saying, can I go to the 213 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,760 toilet? And by the way, I'm not going to 214 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,040 lie, I don't know. This will get me into trouble 215 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,600 with other people who say this is right or wrong. 216 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,280 If a kid in a lesson says can I go to the toilet, I just say 217 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,200 yes, because they just need to go to the toilet. 218 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,680 I'm not, I'm not there to train their bladder. 219 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,160 Like, yeah, I know what? Oh, the teacher can't go to the 220 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:24,400 toilet. Yeah, I'm an adult. 221 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,080 There's, there's a different set of rules for me. 222 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,480 There's that doesn't automatically means you can't. 223 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,960 And I just think there's, I've started to teach my children and 224 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,880 I've said to them, and I really trust them because we've built 225 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,320 this up over the whole year now where I'm saying to them, if 226 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,000 you're desperate to go to the toilet, of course you can. 227 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,200 If you can wait until you've done a few more questions 228 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:41,919 because you don't really need to go right now and there's a 229 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:44,960 difference, then maybe could you get these questions done for me? 230 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,400 And I tell you what, 90% of the time the children say, oh, yeah, 231 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,800 I'll do these questions because they've, they've learned that 232 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,280 they know they're allowed to go eventually. 233 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,240 It's not a kind of strict, Oh my gosh, if I can go, I'm going to 234 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,160 go right now. It's just if they're desperate, 235 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,880 they can, they know they can go. And if they're not, and if 236 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,800 there's one person who takes the mic a little bit about the fact 237 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,760 that, oh, they're allowed to go to the loo for a bit, do you 238 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,000 know what? I'd rather that one person take 239 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,040 liberties. But the six other kids who need 240 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:09,960 the toilet, who aren't sat there desperate, not being able to do 241 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,280 good work because they really need to go to the loo. 242 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:12,960 That's a good point. I was about to come back at you 243 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,760 and say there'll be the people online and say oh, wokey teacher 244 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,560 doesn't have any discipline and won't, won't let's the kids roll 245 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:20,080 the roof. Discipline, by the way, for 246 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:21,080 wanting a we. I know. 247 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:22,520 Yeah, yeah. And, and I actually think that 248 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:23,680 what you said is a really good point. 249 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:25,920 And we should definitely like, let's just let's make that a 250 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,560 bigger point. Like we've spoke about it so 251 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:30,400 many times as a podcast with so many different contexts. 252 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,960 We shouldn't take away liberties because a small percentage of 253 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,920 people are abusing them like we we'd like. 254 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:36,920 There's so many elements of life. 255 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:38,960 I won't go into too much detail where that is true. 256 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,560 And that's absolutely true with the toilet. 257 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:42,720 Just let me go to the toilet. And there's another aspect of 258 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,120 this where it's like, oh, that kids taking advantage, they just 259 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:46,000 want to get out of the classroom. 260 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,280 OK, well, clearly they need to get out of the classroom. 261 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:51,800 Let them have a what do you mean? 262 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,160 Like, if you go on the one-size-fits-all model, you do 263 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,720 tend to, like, shoehorn yourself into this way of thinking of 264 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,720 there is only there is one rule, and it's for everyone, and it 265 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,360 can't possibly be broken. And then you remember that we're 266 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:04,760 all actually quite different. Yeah. 267 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,760 And do you know what? There might just be a kid who 268 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,320 genuinely needs 3 minutes out of your lesson every time, and the 269 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:11,760 other kids don't need it, and that's fine. 270 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,240 You can't then say, oh, you're now naughty for it. 271 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:15,480 Yeah. Like, I'm not. 272 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,200 I'm not going to pretend that there's absolutely 0% chance 273 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,880 that someone actually genuinely, for no good reason takes like 274 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,240 takes advantage of it. I'm sure that happens. 275 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,520 But like you said, if you actually have a good system in 276 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,480 your classroom, it is genuinely very, very, very rare. 277 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,880 So rare that it's not even a worry that enters my head. 278 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:35,080 And I, yeah, it just, it, it does make me sad inside a little 279 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,040 bit because again, different, different children will come to 280 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:39,640 you and have different experiences from different 281 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,600 teachers, whether it's in the same year group, previous year 282 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,560 groups, previous schools, even at the being in where a child 283 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:47,600 will say, oh, I'm not allowed to go to the toilet in this 284 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,000 situation or in that situation. I was told no for this or that. 285 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,320 And whatever situation previously that's been in, even 286 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,920 sometimes outside of school. Yeah, I just think to myself, do 287 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,560 you know what I what I can control in my classroom here is 288 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,240 that I'm OK with you going to the toilet. 289 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,800 And if you need a drink, I'm OK if you're having a drink because 290 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,240 it's just water at the end of the day. 291 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,560 And then if, if it's the fifth time in a row in a 30 minute 292 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:11,960 period, do you know what I'm going to do as professional, 293 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,320 start to wonder what's going on and go and have a chat with you 294 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:15,520 and see if I can get to the bottom of it. 295 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:20,120 But it's a blanket rule so often, although maybe nice and 296 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,880 easy to kind of put out there, it's easy to say no to everyone 297 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,360 all the time, isn't it? Is it, is it realistic? 298 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,840 Is it helpful? Is it nice for your kids or 299 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:28,720 wokey? Wokey. 300 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,680 Please let them go to the loot. If that's woke. 301 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:33,000 I'm woke. Yeah, Christ call me woke like 302 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:33,720 people go to. The toilet. 303 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:34,880 Because you know what? I think you are. 304 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,480 If you don't, I won't say it. You're filling that back. 305 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:38,680 Filling that back. You could be that. 306 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,080 No, I won't say. Because this podcast will get 307 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:41,480 cancelled. Do you know what, Dylan? 308 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,360 You might be surprised to know that there is one exception to 309 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,800 this rule for me. There is one time where I where 310 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,080 I genuinely quite often say no. And that is when they ask to go 311 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,320 to the toilet 5 seconds before I'm about to dismiss them from a 312 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,680 time lunchtime. And I'm like, guys, if you let 313 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:56,800 me finish my sentence, I'm about to say you can go. 314 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,440 Like there's honestly, you're, you're taking longer to ask me 315 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,080 to go toilet and I would have just finished the lesson and it 316 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:03,800 happens a lot. And I finally worked out why. 317 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,080 I don't know why it took me so long 'cause it's quite simple. 318 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,120 I finally worked out why there was such a phenomenon of people 319 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,240 asked me to go to the toilet in the last two minutes of the 320 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,040 lesson. And I was like, what's going? 321 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,160 Why did this always seem to happen is because they don't 322 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,760 waste their break time. They want to go to the toilet so 323 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,720 they can do that bit not in their break time because you 324 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,760 know what just a reminder of everyone, even though we say why 325 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:22,680 didn't you go on your break time? 326 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:24,320 You just had break. Kids don't want to waste their 327 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,320 break time going for a wee. They want to have fun. 328 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,400 Break time for them is playing football or running around or 329 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,080 playing and. They don't get on whatever. 330 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,480 And I do think this conversation, by the way, I do 331 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:34,720 think it's a very different conversation. 332 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,520 As they move up to secondary school, there'll be lots of 333 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,000 secondary school teachers listening to this guy. 334 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,640 Well, yeah, my kids go to the toilet for a vape break. 335 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,480 Do you know what I mean? Like very, very, very, very, 336 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:43,920 very different. We're talking about 8 year olds. 337 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,520 We come from the angle of an 8 year old where 99% of the time 338 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:47,720 they just want to go to the loo and it's fine. 339 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:49,640 And so, yeah, I think that's a completely different 340 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:50,560 conversation, like you're saying. 341 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,440 But again, you're right. You use your break. 342 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,480 I'm an adult and I use my break to go to the toilet. 343 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,280 And you know, we should be saying to the children, if you 344 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,000 can wait until break time. That's how we function in 345 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,640 society. Usually is if you're watching a 346 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,320 film, you went into the intermission, you might need the 347 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,440 toilet for a bit. It's OK to need to go to the 348 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,560 toilet and not immediately be gratified. 349 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:08,560 Yeah. But what I'm saying is just in 350 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:12,640 general, if they can, why? Why am I inventing the rule that 351 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,600 they can't? It's not like it's a show where 352 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,320 the show is carrying on. We can't miss much. 353 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:17,920 I'm in a classroom where you can go. 354 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,520 So do you know what? Can you hold it? 355 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:20,560 No, I'm desperate. Off you go. 356 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,120 Yeah, and is that naughty? No. 357 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:23,400 God, just get over it. Exactly. 358 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,600 Anyway, that ended up but crazy chat there. 359 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:27,200 The other thing we're gonna catch up about? 360 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:32,240 Is this is the time of the year we're past the May 31st deadline 361 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,400 where you put your letters of resignation in. 362 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,560 And I'm pretty sure by now if someone had decided that they 363 00:13:37,560 --> 00:13:40,080 were going to stop teaching, I mean, we're a few weeks in by 364 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,040 now. You've heard about it so well, 365 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:43,400 We. Literally had didn't we at our 366 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,200 school, the like the teacher sheet come around this week the 367 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,920 teacher did. So everyone gets to find out our 368 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,360 school, I don't know if it's the same for you guys. 369 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,520 Everyone's found out this week. Maybe your teacher leaves it a 370 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,000 bit longer because they're still trying to figure out. 371 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,120 But we found out where all the teachers and Tas are going to be 372 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:57,800 next year, and it's big, isn't it? 373 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,320 People saying I'm officially in this year group or that year 374 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,360 group, yeah. And I know a lot of people will 375 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,320 be listening to this and think, I wonder what guys there, 'cause 376 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,640 you're in Year 6, obviously. Yeah, been in year 6 for five 377 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:08,880 years now. You've been in year 4 for 378 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,240 probably quite a long time. For a long. 379 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:11,280 Time. And I know you like to tell me 380 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:12,360 that you're in six and I'm in four. 381 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,920 Yeah, superior dichotomy there. So where are you next year? 382 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,240 Funnily enough, I wasn't on Nasheet. 383 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:19,840 And you? Me. 384 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:20,880 Neither, and you weren't. Either. 385 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,200 And I did notice that and I did think what on earth has 386 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:24,440 happened? So what's happening, Aiden? 387 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,400 Well guys, we've got quite a big announcement to make and we're 388 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,520 making it very casually in the middle of this episode. 389 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,440 But didn't I have quit teaching? We have quit. 390 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,600 Teaching, I mean, I think my heart's going wrong. 391 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,440 No, no, it's a, it's a big thing, isn't it? 392 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:37,840 Because we've talked about it a lot. 393 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:39,760 We've talked about quitting teaching a lot. 394 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,600 We talked about the pros and cons and I don't know, I've not 395 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,360 done the title to this episode yet, but you may won't have 396 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,800 clicked it thinking, oh, I kind of already got a hint of what's 397 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:48,680 going on. Yeah, maybe. 398 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,200 So less of a less of a Cliff hanger for you maybe than for 399 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,920 us. But yeah, listen, we are not 400 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,720 going to be a an official weekly classroom teacher anymore from 401 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,080 next year. We've put our notice in, and I 402 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,200 think we're going to dive into now a little chat about it. 403 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:07,880 So there'll be a lot of people out there. 404 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,080 And we've got a lot of messages from people in general saying, 405 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:11,680 guys, keep fighting the good fight. 406 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,520 You know, what you're saying is really important for teachers. 407 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,720 You're doing the right thing. We need more teachers like you. 408 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:17,080 Well, you haven't. Yeah. 409 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,320 Because I'll tell you what, I finally came to that message 410 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,480 with the guy with the Nigel Farage picture on his his 411 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,720 profile picture that said quit then I was like, well, all right 412 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:24,560 then. So. 413 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,560 So let's, let's be real, let's just rewind for a second because 414 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,280 we've done a lot of a lot of episodes on weekly episodes now 415 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:31,960 for nearly like a year, but missed anything. 416 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:33,560 Yeah, we're not Mr. Not Mr B and. 417 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,920 Obviously we put our resignation letter in before the deadline, 418 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,800 so a few weeks ago now, but we've known for quite a few 419 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:44,040 months I think that we were 99% going to do it again. 420 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,800 We had conversations with our head teacher. 421 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,640 Nothing was a shock. It's a long term decision. 422 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:50,400 So what? Hey there. 423 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,440 I want you to explain because I think there's going to be a lot 424 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:58,280 of overlap between us why we have decided to quit teaching. 425 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,560 It's a big. Question Bill, it's a big 426 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,520 question and I, and I don't want to do it a disservice with, with 427 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:04,680 one answer. There's going to be lots of 428 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,720 prongs to this. OK, But do you know what? 429 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,080 If I'm going like properly, just right at the core of this, I 430 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:14,800 just, I just feel like I, I'm wasting too much time. 431 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:19,160 I, I, I just, I waste so much of my time doing things that I just 432 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,040 don't think. And to the point where I'm so 433 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,320 arrogant about it. I know it's just not impacting 434 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:25,760 the kids. It's not impacting me as a 435 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,800 teacher. I'm just wasting my time 436 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:29,680 constantly. I'm sick of it. 437 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,800 We've talked. A lot about this exact thing and 438 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,480 we've done what I think and I hope and I know from messages 439 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,600 we've got is it's helped people a lot to kind of get to the 440 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,720 bottom of what they can cut out of the job, right. 441 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,400 And I know you and I have cut out a lot of things from the job 442 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,480 which may rub people up the wrong way, may make certain 443 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,600 people think that we're not in it properly, etcetera. 444 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,560 But we back ourselves to know we're doing the right thing for 445 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,320 the kids all the time. We've cut all that back and 446 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,840 you're and it sounds like you still think we do too much 447 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,880 rubbish. It is a bit rubbish. 448 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,360 Or is it that you personally just don't want to do it anymore 449 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:02,920 and that you think it's acceptable? 450 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,599 Like, you know, is it, is it just part of the job and you've 451 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:07,280 just got to the point where you don't want to do it anymore? 452 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,480 Or is there still things in this system now it's teaching that 453 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,640 you just think that is completely pointless and I'm 454 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:13,800 still doing it a bit of everything. 455 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,400 So let me break that down. I think I'd like to think I 456 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,599 follow my own advice in terms of cutting back on you do on gunk. 457 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:21,800 We really don't need to do this job. 458 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,520 There's a lot of superficial stuff that we convince ourselves 459 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,200 we have to do and we really just don't have to do it. 460 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,680 And we talk about it a lot in this podcast, But then there is 461 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,000 just stuff that is baked into the job, right? 462 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,200 That I also just hate doing, like marking. 463 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:34,960 And that sounds silly. It's like you're a teacher. 464 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,040 Of course you're marking. Get over it. 465 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,000 Marking. It's like, yeah, OK, do you know 466 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,560 what? 10 years ago, five years ago, 467 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,520 even I could get over it. I was like, it's not that 468 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,240 unenjoyable. But I'm at the point now where 469 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,480 with marking and even down to like planning, like I think 470 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,160 because I because I've always planned at home. 471 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,200 And maybe this is this is the fault of my own, right? 472 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,000 Because I really struggled to plan at schools. 473 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,400 I have to just be in my own space. 474 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,520 And I find I'm easier if I'm at home just planning my lessons. 475 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:57,240 I just don't want to do it anymore. 476 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,920 I don't enjoy it. I love being with the kids, but 477 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,920 I just don't want to do the stuff around it. 478 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,040 And a lot of that stuff is actually reasonable, which has 479 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,720 made me think, am I? Have I just been in this game 480 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,360 too long? I don't know did that. 481 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:11,120 That kind of ticked over for us, didn't it? 482 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:13,520 I can talk from from my own experience here that I think I 483 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:18,000 was good 234 years ago, probably around COVID time to be fair, of 484 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,240 realising what was really impactful for the children and 485 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:21,800 cutting back what I didn't want to do anymore. 486 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,000 But this, there is certain parts of this job now where I can't 487 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,920 sit here on this podcast and say, oh, don't do that. 488 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,840 It's just a nonsense because it's probably helpful and 489 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,480 there's probably parts of the job that are good in terms of 490 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,600 that, you know, looking obviously looking at books and 491 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:36,880 knowing children's gaps and things. 492 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,560 Yeah, that is helpful, isn't it? Like, that is the extra mile you 493 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,440 want to go to replanning things to be more in line with new 494 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,920 curriculums and stuff. That is obviously a good thing 495 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,040 that we need to do. And I, I can't sit here and say 496 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,400 we shouldn't do that. But what I can sit here and say 497 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,000 is I don't want to spend my time doing it. 498 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:53,360 Yeah. I don't want to do. 499 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:56,600 It and if it was just a case of turning up to teach the children 500 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,120 and and almost having that freedom of 20-30 years ago, you 501 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:02,360 know, pre curriculum, even that people talk about that freedom 502 00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:05,360 people used to have, I think it would be a 10 out of 10 job. 503 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,720 But there's just too much stuff that I'm not even now at this 504 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,320 point saying is completely pointless. 505 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,160 What I'm saying is I simply don't want to spend my time 506 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,800 doing it. Mind the compounding of stuff 507 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,160 that I should reasonably just be doing that I don't really enjoy 508 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,960 doing anymore. Like the stuff that goes around 509 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:21,440 the actual, you know, the good bit with the kids. 510 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,400 Plus genuinely all of the pressure of all of that extra 511 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,200 stuff that we're constantly trying to help you guys like get 512 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,400 rid of that you can actually justifiably get rid of. 513 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,160 There still exists though. There's a pressure. 514 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,360 It's not like you get to say no and then no one ever talks about 515 00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:34,200 it again. All of that stuff still exists 516 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,200 and you still get people looking down their noses at you because 517 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,040 you're not doing these things. They're going so above and 518 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,120 beyond and staying till 6:00 every night and do it's like, 519 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:42,680 OK, look, you're still like, it still makes me feel a certain 520 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,400 way even when I choose not to do them. 521 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,880 And I think the kind of combination of that, whatever 522 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,000 that line is in my head, something's changed over the 523 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,800 last year or so where I was like, I just don't think, I 524 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,680 don't think the the pros outweigh the cons anymore to me, 525 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,040 despite there still being the thing inside of it, which is 526 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,400 like the thing I literally love doing the most in the world, 527 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,320 which is teaching kids. Which is why this whole 528 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,360 conversation feels so hard because I feel like a hypocrite. 529 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,040 I genuinely feel like a bit of a hypocrite. 530 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,320 Like sitting here saying all this, but I'm trying to justify 531 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,000 how I still love you all the kids, but I just can't justify 532 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,320 as from the holistic view of my life. 533 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,000 I just think now is the time for me to leave the classroom. 534 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:21,920 Yeah. We've, we've had so many 535 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,840 conversations about this. This has been a long time coming 536 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,360 for us. We've we've probably spoken 537 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:27,760 about when and how and if we can quit teaching. 538 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,480 Like having long term plans, it is something to celebrate for us 539 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,720 honestly, in terms of we were going to quit teaching when we 540 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,160 got to the point where other things we wanted to do were at 541 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,320 the point where it could sustain us. 542 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,840 So it is a celebration in itself that we've managed to get to 543 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,840 this point through other things. And we'll talk about that in 544 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,760 more detail. But I, I want to just highlight 545 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,760 what you said there about it is difficult as well, though, like 546 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,480 my, my first thought here, you've, you've talked really 547 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,200 nicely about why we've quit, why your main reason is, and we'll, 548 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,720 we'll talk in more detail about other things. 549 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,280 But a big forefront of my mind for the big thing in the 550 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,040 forefront of my mind for the last year or so even has been 551 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,160 stopping me from confirming quitting is that I love teaching 552 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,240 so much. I, I, I, I don't think ever I 553 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,760 will replace that being a job that I love. 554 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,080 And there's nothing better like being in front of the children, 555 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,200 teaching them a maths lesson, which I think is really useful 556 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:21,880 for them and will help them become more rounded. 557 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,520 And then getting something And even for me, going in everyday 558 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,760 and building these relationships with these really amazing young 559 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,160 people and just getting to know them and helping them develop, 560 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,360 whether it's maths, reading, English, science, finding their 561 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:37,840 interest, knowing them really well, helping them, being a safe 562 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,280 space for them, looking after them. 563 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,800 That is just the ultimate service job for me that I think 564 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,440 hits every single box of what I want to do in my life. 565 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,200 It and I find it so sad and I really, really wrestled with it 566 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:55,200 that it's got to the point where this is baked into a system that 567 00:21:55,200 --> 00:22:00,120 I think is inherently broken and there are children falling 568 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:02,600 through the gaps, whether it's the SEM register growing, not 569 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,720 enough funding to actually give these kids what they need. 570 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,000 Too much pressure being put on me as a as a teacher. 571 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,880 And I don't mind saying that there's just too much pressure 572 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,560 for me to deliver everything. It's really hard to do that. 573 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,920 I've got to put in so much of my own extra time to get this job 574 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,520 done. The pay is not kept up with 575 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,000 inflation remotely. You're getting attacked from 576 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,040 left, right and centre whenever you talk about these problems 577 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,320 from stupid people online who've never been involved in education 578 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,600 in their life. When everything is fundamentally 579 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,160 rooted in me wanting to help the kids. 580 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,680 I really, really struggle. And I still struggle now, 581 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,920 despite the fact we are quitting teaching with that decision. 582 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,840 And that there's a part of me that feels a bit of guilt, I 583 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,960 suppose, that I'm stepping away from that role where I can be 584 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:42,760 that for the kids. Yeah. 585 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:43,880 Because you know. What people are going to say, 586 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,440 you know that, you know, the same people that do all the 587 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,040 guilt tripping online and like try to convince teachers, 588 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,000 gaslight teachers into thinking that they're only doing it for 589 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,560 the kids and nothing else. They should be selfless martyrs 590 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,440 and take whatever pay you're given and suck it up. 591 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,280 You know, that kind of rhetoric. It's like you just know what's 592 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,320 going to happen is, well, if you love that, if you love giving 593 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,120 that to the kids so much, then you wouldn't quit. 594 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,200 And you know, that's there. And I think that's where that 595 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,480 guilt comes from because I get it as well. 596 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,600 And on top of that, I, I don't know if you feel this, but I 597 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,280 feel really anxious that I'm just wrong. 598 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,280 Like, because I do feel the same with you as you about how much I 599 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,040 love being with the kids like it, it, it fulfils me. 600 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,560 So like the the fullest amount is, is a strange feeling. 601 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:26,040 And, and I do worry that even though I think the cons outweigh 602 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,480 the pros from that being the pro, I do worry that come 603 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,920 September or maybe even a year down the line, that if I didn't 604 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,680 have any of that in my life, there is literally no like 605 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,640 better alternative where, where it's kind of like, oh, you can 606 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,200 have the best job in the world, but it's still just not as 607 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,960 wholesome as those, those that bit of the job where you got to 608 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,840 teach kids and it was even worth all of the rubbish on top. 609 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,040 That's what I'm battling with in my head. 610 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,560 I don't think I'm wrong because I want to give myself some 611 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,400 credit. And I thought about, you know, 612 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,760 we, we've both been thinking about this and toying with this 613 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,080 idea for a long time. We nearly quit last year. 614 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:58,480 We nearly quit. I don't think we talked about 615 00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,680 this. We nearly quit three years ago. 616 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,880 Yeah, three years ago before we went part time, we were either 617 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,800 going to go part time and if that wasn't available, we were 618 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,160 going to quit. We were going to take the plunge 619 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,160 at that point. Going part time saved our career 620 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,920 for a bit, I must say. But yeah, you're right. 621 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,720 We've got to that point now where we just think, look, it's 622 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,240 I think it's best for us. And what I don't want to do is 623 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,720 get to 4550, look back and think that was the chance where we 624 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,200 could have tried it and we're going to try it now. 625 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,960 And OK, so coming back then to kind of almost a response to 626 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,960 ourselves there talking if if we're that, you know, that 627 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,600 engaged with the children, we love it so much, not even being 628 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,800 these people who are getting annoyed at us now, but people 629 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,640 who are in the education system saying, well, how can we keep 630 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,680 you? One of the first questions, and 631 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,520 I get asked this a lot now when we talk about potentially 632 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,120 quitting in the past, Why don't you just stay and climb the 633 00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:43,400 ladder? Why don't you just, you know, 634 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,840 why don't you stay in teaching then and, and move on to a 635 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,200 different role, become a SENCO, become a head of year, become an 636 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,400 assistant head, become a head teacher in the long term? 637 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,400 Is that viable? Like, why did you choose not to 638 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,520 do that? It's it's. 639 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,240 Just not desirable enough. It's simple as that, really. 640 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,520 And I think it's the same for the stats speak for themselves. 641 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,240 It's not desirable enough, you know, make that career desirable 642 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,520 for me and, and I'd consider it. But at the end of the day, you 643 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,040 know, you can't, you know, you can't offer me a, a tin of beans 644 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,360 and a penny and say, oh, and we're going to double your 645 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:10,440 workload. Do you want to come do this? 646 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,720 No, of course I don't. But it's for the kids who will 647 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,720 impact more kids. OK, well, I can go and impact, 648 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,440 you know what? I can go and impact more kids 649 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,480 honestly, out out of working out of school as well. 650 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,800 Like, it's almost patronising to suggest the only possible way I 651 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,760 could impact more my kids is becoming SLT at school. 652 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,840 Oh, do you know what? No, that's not it. 653 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,920 There's more ways to do that sort of thing, and that's one of 654 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,560 the things I'd like to do when I leave teaching. 655 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,640 But yeah, no, I don't want to work up a ladder. 656 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,800 Would you? Ever would you ever could you 657 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,160 ever see yourself as being ahead of school? 658 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:38,760 I. Consider this is going to sound 659 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,160 really arrogant. That sounds like everything you 660 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,520 say. I think I would probably enjoy 661 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,400 being a head teacher. I don't think I'd enjoy any of 662 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,200 the roles in between teaching and being a head teacher. 663 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,240 I don't know people like who do you think you are? 664 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:53,960 Go straight to the top. I think I would enjoy. 665 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,640 I don't think maybe I don't think I can go straight to the 666 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,520 top, but I think I'd enjoy the head teacher role. 667 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,640 But but again, I see it as a burnout role. 668 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,040 And you know what, Isn't that crazy that that is normal? 669 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,440 That's normal conversation. If I talked to her, I spoke to 670 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,400 someone recently, funnily enough, who said where I said, 671 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,480 Oh, you know, maybe I would probably enjoy being a head 672 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:10,960 teacher and they said, oh, no, don't do that. 673 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,840 Do that when you're 50 and it's the last four years of your 674 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,160 career. It's a burnout role. 675 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,520 Isn't that what do you mean? It's a burnout role? 676 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:18,920 That shouldn't be a burnout role. 677 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,520 That should be something where like, anyone who's got the skill 678 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,440 set and passion to do that, we should be getting them people in 679 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,920 that role and keep them there for a long time. 680 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,800 Crazy. So, yeah, couldn't be a head 681 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:27,880 teacher. I don't know about, I don't know 682 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,000 about you. Like, what's your opinions on 683 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,400 the whole thing, the whole scale, moving up the system, 684 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,320 being a head teacher, all of it. I don't want to do it. 685 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,320 We talked about it a million times. 686 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,920 I don't want to do it. Is middle leadership worth it? 687 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,360 No. You've got to be stuck in middle 688 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:40,000 leadership for three, 4-5 years. I'm not going to do it. 689 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,560 And I think this is the it's going to come back to, we're not 690 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,400 even mentioning this yet. The thing that I'm most strongly 691 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,120 passionate about is the my actual child. 692 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,800 You know, we've got, I've got a child now. 693 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,600 Rory is nearly two. He's only going to be in them 694 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,120 preschool years for four years, right? 695 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,040 So we've got a couple years now where we can be more flexible. 696 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,400 And this is a big part of it is this flexibility that we're 697 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,680 going to have because teaching it sounds great. 698 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,120 Oh, 13 weeks off a year, isn't it good? 699 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,320 It's probably one of the least flexible jobs out there. 700 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,760 You can't choose when your time off is. 701 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,800 No, if we're always ill or something or, you know, you need 702 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,920 to book something out or Rory's got a class that we're going to 703 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,560 go to. There's there's no physical way 704 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,760 I can book that time off. If it's in time time. 705 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,080 It's not flexible at all. I some days and this, this was a 706 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,480 kicker for me where I really kind of ticked over to be like 707 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,440 I'm quitting Was there, there are some days in term time where 708 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:37,520 I get up and get ready and leave before Rory's woken up and I get 709 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,920 home and Rory's just had his bath and he's going down to bed. 710 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,800 And I, I just personally don't care. 711 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,040 And you can come to me with your hustler mindset all you want or 712 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,680 like getting out there and getting out pee and stuff. 713 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,840 I, I don't even disagree. Like you do you, right? 714 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,600 You do you. And there's a benefit to that, 715 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:52,840 putting food on the table, etcetera. 716 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,000 And that's a role of a person in a family that is really 717 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,840 important. If there's a way for me to not 718 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,840 have to do that and still support him and still, you know, 719 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,120 be there for him financially. But I can also be there with him 720 00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:08,000 in person more whilst he's still not in school. 721 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,520 And in those formative years that is worth more than anything 722 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,520 to me. So even if it means that, OK, 723 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,600 look, I've got rid of my, my teacher pension, everyone says 724 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,520 so amazing. I don't have those 13 weeks off 725 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,040 a year guaranteed anymore. I'm missing out on that part of 726 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,760 the job, which I love, which is with the kids added onto that 727 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,520 cons that we talked about the things we don't want to do in 728 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,320 the job anymore, how much stress there is, how much burnout there 729 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,560 is in term time, the cognitive load we can talk about. 730 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,560 The biggest thing for me is the time I lose with my son in term 731 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,400 time. And do you know what I can do? 732 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,720 I can just be more flexible with him. 733 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,280 He's only little once that that was a big, big decider for me 734 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,840 where I'm like, OK, I'm only ever going to be in that 735 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,960 situation again ever again if I choose to be. 736 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,760 And I'm not choosing at the minute and there's no 737 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,160 flexibility there. So big thing for me is young 738 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,160 family and I don't think, I don't think I'll ever look back 739 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,800 and think wish I just wish I was in school longer. 740 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,000 No, I'm going to look. Back and think I just wish I'd 741 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,040 left and didn't do that part of marking which had no impact on 742 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,040 32 kids but meant I didn't get to have bath time with my son. 743 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,080 Realistically I don't really care. 744 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,880 Me personally, I'd rather go and have bath time with my son every 745 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,320 day of the. Week it's real, it's raw and 746 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,160 it's not something we probably would have been able to say a 747 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,000 few years ago because we just we just you know even hearing about 748 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:21,960 it you're just just not the same. 749 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,480 Is it you're in that situation now and it's real for you and 750 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,160 you can't invalidate that like no one can say now you're wrong. 751 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,840 What do you mean he's no that's just how you feel and that's 752 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,600 completely acceptable and and I I feel the same. 753 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,240 There's one more thing that I guess I want to mention as a as 754 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,400 a as a reason for I just don't want to be in this job anymore 755 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,120 and this one's a little bit not as much about me, I guess and my 756 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,360 experience with it. It's just I, I just can't deal 757 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,880 with the fact that the entire time I've worked in this job, 758 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,520 it's just been underfunded constantly. 759 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,440 I'm actually just like losing the will to live with how I just 760 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,760 have to go to a workplace that's falling down and kids don't have 761 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,800 any stuff. And like, and, and it's not, 762 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,680 it's not for any fault of anyone in our school. 763 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,720 It's because the powers that be don't fund it properly. 764 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,120 And I'm just like, I can't, I can't do this anymore. 765 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,520 Like even down to, OK, let's bring it to a selfish level, 766 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,000 even down to like, you know what your payback is? 767 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,680 You start teaching, you know what your pay is going to be in 768 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:09,920 six years because it's capped out. 769 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:11,960 Well, it's done. It's like, OK, there's no, 770 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,600 there's no money in it. It goes down every year, 771 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,160 respectively. You speak to your teachers that 772 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,040 you know on their way out when you start, and they're like, oh, 773 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,640 yeah, I used to have a fantastic lifestyle in this profession, 774 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,920 which is a profession, by the way, and which is essential for 775 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,560 society, doesn't exist anymore, though. 776 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,840 I can barely make ends meet now. Oh, OK. 777 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,120 Right. So just that the lack of funding 778 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,280 in schools and how it impacts me and how it impacts the kids and 779 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,960 that therefore impacts just a wider profession and the 780 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,480 experience of this job. I'm just not about it. 781 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:37,680 And I'm, I'm bored of it. I'm sick of it. 782 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,040 Absolutely. Absolutely. 783 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,760 I, I, it's, it's another depressing fact where I live my 784 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,320 life, my work life, having to ignore the fact that I can't 785 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,400 cater to everyone. And it's so easy online. 786 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,840 And do you know what parents, parents of especially parents of 787 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,920 children with Sen needs, I can't fathom what they have to go 788 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,640 through to get to even get a slight modicum of what their 789 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,320 child needs for supporting schools. 790 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,840 But I can promise you, I can promise you right now that every 791 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,080 single teacher or by the vast, vast majority of teachers want 792 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,400 what's best for your children as well. 793 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,440 And it is just so, so hard right now in school financially. 794 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,960 And just like you're fighting for your child, and you should 795 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,120 continue to fight for your child and you should continue to be 796 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,960 the voice for that child, I promise you, teachers want the 797 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,720 best for for your kids as well. We've got 32 of them. 798 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,360 We've got 32 of people's worlds in front of us. 799 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,320 And a bunch of them won't need any extra support. 800 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,880 And you know, you shouldn't need an EHCP to be meeting the needs 801 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:37,680 of all the kids. No. 802 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,280 OK, I know that. But an EHCP comes with funding, 803 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,000 so it's really vital that kids who need that get that kind of 804 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,400 support. And there are going to be then 805 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,760 the children who aren't on the EHCP register in terms of 806 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,080 getting that support, but are still on the special educational 807 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,960 needs. There was news this week of it 808 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,840 going up to 20% of children are special educational needs. 809 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,000 We need to have inclusion 20 percent, 20%, one in five, which 810 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,680 which sounds right and if anything low based on what I've 811 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,120 seen in terms of being in a class of 30 children. 812 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,200 That's six kids. I can. 813 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,240 I can. Yeah, I think that's about, I 814 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,560 suppose. When you put it like that, I 815 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,120 wouldn't have, if you said guess the number, I would have 816 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,480 probably would have got under 10%. 817 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:15,480 Yeah, yeah. But when you actually think 818 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,000 about your class and maybe profile it in your head six 819 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,040 hours, yes, it's about right. It's about right. 820 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,920 I'd say for that kind of thing and, and those those that 821 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,320 overlap there where they don't get the funding, but they need 822 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,160 that extra support. Absolutely. 823 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,520 Schools should be putting things in place for them them, but but 824 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,040 how we don't have the adult support in classrooms anymore. 825 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,440 Teaching assistants have been decimated. 826 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,240 I'd I would love to know what percentage of teachers have the 827 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,360 same teaching assistant all week. 828 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:40,680 That used to be a thing when I was at school. 829 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,200 It was a teacher and a teaching assistant and they were a team 830 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,520 and they were together all week and they just taught everything 831 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:46,560 together. It doesn't happen anymore. 832 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,160 Have a teaching assistant X percent of the time and it just 833 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,560 doesn't happen. These little tiny things that 834 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,080 I've been eroded and picked away at and picked away at and picked 835 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,600 away at. And I've been in this job for 836 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,240 nearly a decade now. And I have seen how those small 837 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,600 pickings away every single year have impacted now long the long 838 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,840 term. And we are in a situation where 839 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,040 we need radical change if we're going to keep up with the needs 840 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:10,920 of our children. Yeah. 841 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,880 And it and it is just ultimately tips the job to a point where 842 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:15,960 it's just undesirable for me now. 843 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,560 That's it. You know, at the end of the day, 844 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,800 I am a human being as well. We're not these selfless martyrs 845 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,400 that everyone seems to want teachers to be. 846 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,680 I am just a guy doing a job, in all honesty. 847 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,880 And I've got my own life, I've got my own family, and I've got 848 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,440 other aspirations that I want to achieve and things. 849 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,360 And it's just a point where it's like it's tipped too far. 850 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,080 If you know what, if they want to keep in education, they could 851 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,800 honestly have made any more than 0% effort over the last 10 years 852 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,760 because that's what's happened. That's what's happened in this 853 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,520 country. It's not keeping teachers who 854 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,800 love doing this job anymore. It's not keeping skilled 855 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,480 teachers like I'm good at what I do. 856 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,800 I've done it for 10 years. And again, very arrogant. 857 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,120 I'm really running the theme of arrogance. 858 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,000 I can think of the. Title now in the Daily Mail. 859 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,160 Arrogant teacher leaves job and moans. 860 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,240 But I'm good at what I do, and you're good at what you do as 861 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,080 well. We actually shouldn't be. 862 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,080 You're good at what you do as well. 863 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,720 Sorry, but we shouldn't be leaving this job like the system 864 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,320 should be keeping us I think. A huge problem with the current, 865 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,040 the way that education is structured and because of the 866 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,960 erosion over time and because of what things have been put in 867 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,239 place to try and solve the retention and recruitment 868 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,639 crisis, etcetera, like the starting salaries being boosted 869 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,639 up, the bursaries for training and things like that. 870 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,880 It's, it's just a complete wrong approach. 871 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,719 You're trying to funnel more people into a system that's 872 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,840 completely broken. That's famously fixed his 873 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,679 machines, doesn't it? If there's a machine in a 874 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:31,719 factory that's broken, why don't we run more things into the 875 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:32,639 front of it? More pressure on? 876 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,679 It of course. Not and, and I think I would say 877 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:37,800 alongside, I mean, there's loads of jobs. 878 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,880 I'm not going to sit here and say this is the one job on 879 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,719 education which has been squeezed out because there were 880 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,199 15. But from my point of view and my 881 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:48,199 experience of being a teacher, experienced classroom teachers 882 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,440 are seen as completely dismissible because, you know, 883 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,440 you go and look for a job. Now as a teacher, it used to say 884 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,720 main pay raise to upper pay scale and maybe the school can 885 00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:00,160 make a decision based on how much experience they wanted. 886 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,240 You look at jobs now, over half of them will just say M1 to M4 887 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,560 Ects needed because they're cheaper, because we can't 888 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:08,800 afford. You basically we can't afford 889 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,760 you can't afford experience to the point where like, yeah, it's 890 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,360 not even valued anymore. So you get. 891 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,840 To the point where you've been a teacher like ours for 10 years 892 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,160 plus, that's where you get guilt tripped and thought, oh gosh, I 893 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,360 need to be doing loads more jobs to make myself viable in this 894 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:22,960 school now because I'm not going to be able to move anywhere 895 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:23,840 else. And all of those are going to 896 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,520 take me off UBS if I don't do all this extra stuff. 897 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,040 That's where academies and trusts and people from the top 898 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,920 down can really exploit experienced stuff, overwork 899 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,040 them, burn them out, squeeze them for as much as they can 900 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,080 whilst they're selling in the school and then guess what, when 901 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,320 they quit replacing with someone. 902 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,760 Is 15 grand a month cheaper? Woohoo Yeah 15. 903 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,200 Grand a month? Crikey, that's a lot of money to 904 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,120 my 15. Grand a month? 905 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,800 Hang on a minute, how much you been earning this job? 906 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,040 I'm actually staying and teaching. 907 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,480 Yeah, crikey. Do you know one thing I want to 908 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,600 come back on as well? Because I think I can imagine it 909 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,320 left thoughts of people's head is when you were talking about 910 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,400 kind of like the the big why, right? 911 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,240 Why you, why you're going to do it. 912 00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:58,640 And you were talking about your son and that flexibility. 913 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,440 You want to have that time at home with him rather than being 914 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:01,800 in this job. But there's no flexibility and 915 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:02,720 you're going to miss out on stuff. 916 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,440 It kind of gave the impression that you're going to quit 917 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,440 teaching and just sit around at home and what are you like, live 918 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,440 off the millions? Yeah, hang on a minute. 919 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,520 Because teaching is. So bloody lovely, so amazing. 920 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:13,680 Yeah, you're. Going to just live off your your 921 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,200 pension part 3231, however old you are. 922 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,720 I don't know, but really let's just talk about then like what 923 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:21,680 are we going to do? Like our plans, You know, first 924 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,120 of all, like if you've been listening to this for a long 925 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,000 time, you'll know, you'll know that we went part time because 926 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,240 we have a tutoring company. So obviously we have another 927 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:30,360 income stream there because that's the reason we went part 928 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,280 time in the 1st place. So that is going to be helping 929 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,760 keep us afloat massively. And we're going to continue to 930 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,680 try and expand and grow that tutoring and and just put more 931 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:38,800 of our thought and effort into that. 932 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,000 But it's not anything we're going to do. 933 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,160 Dylan, do you want to talk about some of our other? 934 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,200 Yeah, yeah, I just. Want to clarify that tutoring 935 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,360 thing as well, because I think a lot of people were listening, 936 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,560 going well, I'm thinking of leaving teaching and I don't 937 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,520 have anything to fall back on. And I wish I could. 938 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,600 And what I would say to you is this is not a Willy nilly quit 939 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:54,600 that we we don't just thought on. 940 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:55,840 Yeah, let's just quit. It's fine. 941 00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:59,480 We have meticulously over years put, you know, extra work into 942 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,280 growing something to be able to be in this position. 943 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,760 OK. And you might be in a position 944 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,640 where you quit because you're going to find a different job. 945 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,240 We're in a position where we've built something up. 946 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,920 The tutoring from the numbers we've run and how we built it up 947 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,520 should hopefully, you know, we can survive. 948 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:13,280 Yeah. OK. 949 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,360 So then it's a pay. Cut, but we can, of course. 950 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,480 It's a pay cut because currently we're doing the tutoring and 951 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,560 when we're teaching, but the time's going to be the pay off. 952 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,200 But if we can cover our mortgages and survive, that's 953 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,400 all good. So that's the first thing I say. 954 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,840 If you're thinking of teaching, just think about what kind of 955 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,920 side bits you can do just to boost yourself that you have 956 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,000 control over because I think that's really, really powerful. 957 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,480 A huge thing for me, and this links back with the fact that I, 958 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,200 I love teaching so much, is that I'm very passionate about this. 959 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,000 I'm going to sign up to do some kind of supply. 960 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,280 Now, we've talked about it a lot in terms of the benefits of 961 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,480 signing up for a supply company when they take a certain 962 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,040 percentage of the profits. I saw the stats again, it was, 963 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,880 it was crazy. I'm going to say the stats from 964 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,360 the average for secondary school, because this was the 965 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,440 biggest gap was schools are on average paying about £290.00 a 966 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:02,040 day for for supply. But a teacher's average take as 967 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,600 a supply teacher in a second in a secondary school was about 140 968 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,240 lbs. So it really was double. 969 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,120 Yeah, it really was like a 50% cut. 970 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,840 And there'll be lots of reasons why supply companies try and 971 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,920 justify with it. I just think that's incredibly 972 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,680 like for for the for the job of the person doing the day's 973 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,080 teaching and the job of the person finding someone to do the 974 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,600 day's teaching. They're not equal, are they? 975 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:21,920 There can't. Be there's got to be, there's 976 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,120 got to be a better system there out there. 977 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,840 So I don't. Know if I will sign up to a 978 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,240 company, but what I will definitely do is get the 979 00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:31,360 enhanced DBS check get my name out there move schools and just 980 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,760 say look, if you're looking for any kind of cover, maybe we 981 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,000 could do it even together and just say a little bit hit hit 982 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,920 one of us up or e-mail this and we'll have maybe we can do you 983 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,120 know what I've been thinking about a lot and this is just ad 984 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,560 Lib now on this podcast is thinking about just getting some 985 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,760 other contacts for a list and instead of signing up and you 986 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,880 know a company where they've got 1000 teachers and obviously 987 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,560 they'll find someone if we can somehow find, you know a group 988 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,560 of a group of 678 teachers who are quite local in our area and 989 00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:58,840 just say like what will come through US? 990 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,320 I'm not going to take a cut. This is just a lot of us would. 991 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:02,800 If me and you. Can't do it. 992 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,800 Would you just quickly send out a WhatsApp in the morning or 993 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,480 something? But I, I think there's a way 994 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,720 round where then I can actually get paid for my day's work that 995 00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:11,560 school is paying. I think cutting out that 996 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,320 middleman, I get why that middleman exists at ease, mainly 997 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,480 from the school's point of view. But, you know, I really want to 998 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:17,520 do supply. Yeah, yeah. 999 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:18,360 And. Ultimately, like I'm, I'm the 1000 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,320 same. Like we've obviously talked 1001 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,040 about doing supply before we ever agreed that was a good 1002 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,560 option because I just thought because I, I don't, I don't want 1003 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,640 to be out of the classroom. I will, I will miss the kids. 1004 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,800 I know it like I haven't done this job for 10 years and put up 1005 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,200 with some of the stuff that I hate for so long. 1006 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,040 We still will be. Teaching. 1007 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,520 Yeah, like. Realistically, and we said all 1008 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,920 this like, yeah, I'm going to try and be in the classroom 1009 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,640 still, but we are quitting. We are quitting classroom 1010 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,520 teaching and we are buying back that complete freedom of our 1011 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:39,560 time. Ultimately, if I don't want to 1012 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,200 do supply for a month, I'm not doing supply for a month. 1013 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,440 So that's the freedom I'm getting there to continue, you 1014 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:44,560 know, expanding our choosing company. 1015 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,360 And do you know what, I'm not going to go into the details of 1016 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,440 it right now because even we, we don't really know exactly yet, 1017 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,640 but we are sticking around in education like we are not, we're 1018 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,120 not going to go off into a different industry here. 1019 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,400 Like that is not our plan. Our master plan here is very 1020 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,640 much to be working full time across our different ventures 1021 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,640 within education, whether it's Ed tech or curriculum stuff or 1022 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,760 supply or whatever it is like we're going to be staying in 1023 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,160 education. And of course, this podcast. 1024 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,160 That's a big one, you know. I think. 1025 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,400 I think. We should just take a minute to 1026 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,680 reflect on and people listening who've got this far. 1027 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,840 You know, I think probably the reason we're even in this 1028 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,280 position right now to be so confident we can quit teaching 1029 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,200 is because of this podcast is because of what we've built on 1030 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,560 social media is because of the, you know, the amazing people 1031 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,600 we've met throughout our whole journey of building this podcast 1032 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,800 up from literally nothing. And I know I say this a lot 1033 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,640 because, but it's because I'm really quite proud of it is you 1034 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,000 get a lot of people who do amazing work on social media, 1035 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:42,920 lots of kind of educational stuff that they post and they do 1036 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,720 unbelievable work and they build up a, a community around, you 1037 00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:48,080 know, a day in the life of a teacher or these, these, you 1038 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,240 know, websites that are really cool to use, etcetera. 1039 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,560 And then those people kind of get to that point and they 1040 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,320 think, well, what else can I do? And they'll start a podcast 1041 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,200 maybe, and, and they'll have a bunch of big followers maybe, 1042 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,400 and they'll, they'll just start their podcast up from there. 1043 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,360 That what I'm really proud of is that we started this podcast 1044 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,720 with nothing. We, we had nothing. 1045 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:08,360 We did, we did nothing and we just had this passion and desire 1046 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,920 and love of this job of teaching, which is still there, 1047 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,240 We still love this job so much. But this, this see people around 1048 00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:16,800 us burnt out and completely ruined from this job. 1049 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,600 And I was just fed up with it. And I, I love how many people we 1050 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,880 have now reached through social media, through being passionate 1051 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,560 about education, through doing this podcast for 2 1/2 years at 1052 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,640 this point. And it is because of all of 1053 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,200 those people and the confidence we have and the love we get from 1054 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,360 you guys, which you know, you, you messaging us saying you 1055 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,920 helped me, you, you've made me have more time with my son. 1056 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,880 You let me stand up to SLT when I knew they were wrong. 1057 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,840 You gave me the confidence to do something. 1058 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,520 And we know that we can continue to do that and, and expanding 1059 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,560 this podcast and continue because this podcast is going 1060 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:49,920 nowhere. Guys, we're going to carry on 1061 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,520 saying what we need to say for education. 1062 00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:53,200 We're going to be in the classroom still. 1063 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,160 We're going to have your back. We're going to be the people who 1064 00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,160 can speak out for teachers all the time and, and just be behind 1065 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,560 them and help them as much as possible. 1066 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:04,320 So we want to do more. I mean, again, like you said, 1067 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,520 Hayden, we haven't actually fully decided exactly, exactly 1068 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:08,440 the avenues we're going to go down. 1069 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,080 But there's going to be more series that we're going to do. 1070 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,080 There's going to be there's going to be extra things that we 1071 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,240 put in place to get content out there for you guys. 1072 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,120 I want to. Use my time to do realistically 1073 00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:18,640 why I started this podcast with you. 1074 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,680 And it was very much your passion. 1075 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,200 When we started this, you were the one that was like 1076 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,120 spearheading like, come on, let's do this podcast. 1077 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,440 And for me, I was like, OK, I need to find like a purpose for 1078 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,520 this as well. I'm not just going to do it 1079 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,440 winning the images for a laugh. Like it needs to be something to 1080 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,960 me as well. And to me, it was about being 1081 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,640 the voice. Like I was like, OK, I'll speak 1082 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,400 out then about things that maybe people feel awkward about. 1083 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,480 I'll speak out about the troubles and education that 1084 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,720 maybe people don't know about, and we'll try and reach as many 1085 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:41,280 people as possible. And I just want to be a voice 1086 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,640 for people in education, kind of like what you were saying. 1087 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,440 So for me, whatever we do with this podcast, any expansion that 1088 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,960 comes, it doesn't matter if I'm in the classroom one day a week, 1089 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,880 three days a week or five days a week or one day a month, 1090 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,280 honestly, because we're going to continue talking to teachers, 1091 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,520 continue talking to people working in education in general. 1092 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:58,800 And we're going to be that voice. 1093 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,240 And with my free time that we're going to get from this, I'm 1094 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,400 going to be pushing that narrative out harder than ever 1095 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,520 before because I still, I'm not going away from education, 1096 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:08,880 neither are you. Like, we're still going to be 1097 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:09,720 here. We're just not going to be 1098 00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:11,240 spending three days a week in the classroom. 1099 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,240 We'll be that voice and we'll and we'll make your voices very 1100 00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:15,600 clear. So keep running to us. 1101 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,040 So to. To round this off, I guess just 1102 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,880 chat about why we're quitting, etcetera, because we'll have a 1103 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,400 little bit of something else in a second for the let's finish 1104 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,520 off this podcast. But basically what I want you to 1105 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,280 do now is people have listened to this, people have clicked on 1106 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:28,200 it. We're leaving teaching. 1107 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:29,320 Here's why, here's what we're doing. 1108 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,920 Someone out there now listening is thinking, wow, they've done 1109 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,280 it. They've quit teaching. 1110 00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:40,440 I wonder if I should, what would you say to someone that they 1111 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,520 should be thinking and having a thought train of when coming to 1112 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,160 a conclusion whether they should continue teaching or stop? 1113 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:49,840 What would you say to that person? 1114 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,080 Where's your line? I, I, I spoke earlier about my 1115 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,680 line. I, I, what I can't tell you is, 1116 00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,200 is exactly the criteria at which point you have to say, Oh yes, 1117 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,760 now I'm quitting. It is totally subjective, 1118 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,120 completely up to you. Where's your line? 1119 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,680 There was a line for me where the cons outweigh the pros. 1120 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,240 My cons might be different to your cons. 1121 00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:10,480 My pros might be different to your pros. 1122 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,200 But there was a point where that happened. 1123 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,320 Firstly, I also didn't do it immediately. 1124 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,960 I did spend a quite a lot of time I said and said, you know, 1125 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,920 we didn't talk about it much in this podcast because we kind of 1126 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,000 wanted to leave it until we've actually decided whether or not 1127 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,840 we're you're gonna do it and. We, we honestly basically did do 1128 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,080 all that discussion on the podcast pretty much just in a 1129 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:28,840 way where that's what a lot of people are talking about. 1130 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:29,440 That is quite. Funny. 1131 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,400 Yeah, it moulded a lot. Of our opinions, didn't it? 1132 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,800 Our our minds have been like completely unfiltered out on 1133 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,680 this podcast. So you like, there's no fake in 1134 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,320 it. Everything we say is is on here. 1135 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,920 But yeah, find your line. That's my advice anyway. 1136 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,840 Find your line and really sit down and think about the pros 1137 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,280 and cons and the whole wider side of life as well Enough for 1138 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,560 Dylan. The huge part was one of the 1139 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,400 massive pros was he gets to spend time for his son who's 1140 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,200 only this age once. This could be a different 1141 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,440 conversation if it was in six years time and your son is just 1142 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,040 at school anyway. Like that might not be a bigger 1143 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,440 a bigger factor for you and it might change your whole opinion. 1144 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,080 So think about that for yourself. 1145 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,600 That'd be me. Did you want to add anything to 1146 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:02,520 that? I think. 1147 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,320 I think if I'm talking to someone who's thinking about 1148 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,040 quitting, what I would say to what I'd say to you is run the 1149 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,080 numbers. This is so important and a lot 1150 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,000 of people, again, kind of they don't live life blase because 1151 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,280 we're a lot of people are living paycheck to paycheck, etcetera 1152 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:17,880 like that. But what I'm saying run the 1153 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,840 numbers really carefully and and really think about what your 1154 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,240 minimum level you can drop to is really, really look at what your 1155 00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:26,960 rent monthly payments or your remortgage. 1156 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,480 Your remortgage is coming up. What's it going to go to? 1157 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,200 Look at how much money you need to live and survive and then 1158 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,160 add, I would say 30% on top of that and just say, OK, that is 1159 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,840 my bare minimum in my household. How can I reach that bare 1160 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,320 minimum? If I can't reach that bare 1161 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,920 minimum through quitting teaching, I need to be working 1162 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,800 on that as I'm still teaching. Yeah, absolutely. 1163 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:50,280 Right. And if. 1164 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,880 My aim is to quit teaching. There's your goal. 1165 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,040 Have a goal. What you can't do is just think, 1166 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,160 oh, well, I can't get there. I'll just hope one day I can, 1167 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:00,480 because I tell you now, you won't. 1168 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,280 The way teaching is funded and the way our pay has been 1169 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,520 squeezed over and over again and the way inflation is going and 1170 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,640 interest rates, etcetera, you will not end up leaving 1171 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,480 teaching. You have to have an actionable 1172 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,240 plan. So go away, run your numbers, 1173 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,920 see what your baseline is. I think it's called pit Pony 1174 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,240 method if you want to search that. 1175 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,360 It basically works out what your absolute minimum actually is 1176 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,760 because for a lot of people, you can earn less than you think and 1177 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,640 still stay afloat and still be OK. 1178 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,480 There might be some sacrifices you make and do you know what? 1179 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,600 You might look at it and go, well, I can quit teaching, but I 1180 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,040 have to sacrifice this part of my life. 1181 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,400 I won't be able to go out as much. 1182 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,480 Do you know what the pros of teaching outweigh the cons At 1183 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:40,760 that point? I'm going to stay in teaching. 1184 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,800 You have to do what Hayden has said. 1185 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,720 Find your line. But I think you can only find 1186 00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:47,360 your line when you look at the black and white money you can 1187 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,480 actually afford to do. And if you can't afford to do it 1188 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,640 and you really want to quit, start doing that side hustle 1189 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,280 idea. Start doing a bit of tutoring on 1190 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,240 the side and start getting your CV up on jobs, online, on 1191 00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:01,600 Indeed, go on LinkedIn. Put yourself out there because 1192 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,640 you won't regret it. If you want to quit teaching, 1193 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,720 don't think that it will just happen. 1194 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,080 You have to just do it. And when people look at us and 1195 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,360 the things we've achieved and the things we've done, and if 1196 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,400 ever anyone tries to belittle it by saying, Oh yeah, well, 1197 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,640 anyone, anyone could have done that, my response is always, 1198 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,520 yeah, but I did and you didn't. And that is it. 1199 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:18,800 Just lucky. You've got to try. 1200 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,760 You're just lucky. Do you know what? 1201 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,040 I am lucky. I want to talk. 1202 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,120 This kind of winds me up a little bit because I am lucky 1203 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,360 and I'm never, ever going to turn into that person. 1204 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,040 Like you see millionaires who say how did you get that hard 1205 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,840 work? No, no, you were lucky as well. 1206 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,640 You were very, very lucky. Almost always. 1207 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,120 You, you're lucky for a reason. And you seem to be a bit self 1208 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,680 respected there and say, yeah, I was lucky. 1209 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,320 But you know, but I worked hard. I gave myself the opportunity to 1210 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,760 be lucky. Give yourself the opportunity to 1211 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,520 be lucky. I applied to a gun who wants to 1212 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,480 be a millionaire 7 times. I got rejected 6 times, finally 1213 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,280 got on it, want some money. Very, very, very lucky. 1214 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,800 But I could have stopped after 12345. 1215 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,920 I could have stopped and said, oh, it's not for me, I can't do 1216 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,520 it. Yeah, no doing it. 1217 00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,000 Yeah, I mean. Similar to our children company, 1218 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,320 it's seven years old now. Sometimes I forget to mention 1219 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,520 how long last. We started our children company 1220 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,200 7 years ago, two years into teaching. 1221 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:06,800 Yeah, exactly 2 years for teaching. 1222 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,000 So it's taking every year for me. 1223 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,120 So it's taking a long time to build the position it's in and 1224 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,960 it's still not done. Like I said, it's still going to 1225 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,480 be like a risk, risk as sacrifice to our salaries to to 1226 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:16,800 drop to drop down to that amount. 1227 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,760 But yeah, I like how I kind of went down the emotional route 1228 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:19,360 there. Find your line. 1229 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,440 You went down a very logical path there and it was good. 1230 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,120 I think a bit of a bit of all of that. 1231 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,040 It's probably how we've come to good conclusions together 1232 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,240 because we've kind of done that thought process between us. 1233 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,160 I think you've got to do. Both you've got to do both and I 1234 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,960 think you can only do the emotional one if you have your 1235 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,680 black and white. If you go down the emotional 1236 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,360 route too early, you might just be like, right, I'm quitting. 1237 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,520 Put my hand noticing I oh gosh, I'm done my numbers. 1238 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,120 This isn't going to work. I can't do it. 1239 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,520 You have to do your numbers. And then you can be emotional 1240 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,440 and let that kind of lead yourself, definitely, but do it 1241 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,240 in the parameters of your current situation. 1242 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:47,840 Hayden's right. We can't tell you. 1243 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:48,920 You have to work that out yourself. 1244 00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:54,040 All right, Dylan, just before we finish up this episode, I want 1245 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:55,880 to ask you one question. You might think it's quite 1246 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,520 funny, given the context of the last 50 minutes of this episode. 1247 00:48:58,520 --> 00:48:59,800 Do I want air? Conditioning in this room? 1248 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,840 Yes, I'm like please. I'll tell you what, that 1249 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,120 classroom I worked in I told you about was hotter than this. 1250 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,400 Really. So much. 1251 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,800 OK, Well, yeah, that's just just saying because I. 1252 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,760 Feel like I've lost 7 litres of water. 1253 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,280 Yeah, you're. Going to be very thirsty but 1254 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,280 here we go. Someone asked me recently, would 1255 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,480 you recommend teaching to a friend? 1256 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,680 And for full context, this person is close to me, knew I 1257 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,080 was, knew I was quitting. So they were kind of asking me 1258 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,360 with that, with that in mind, which is why I'm going to now 1259 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,800 pass it over to you. With that in mind, would you 1260 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:34,640 recommend teaching to a friend? This is a really hard question. 1261 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,200 We've touched on this before. Would I recommend teaching to a 1262 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,760 friend? Blanket friend? 1263 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,120 I don't know blanket answers in I don't they don't have a prep. 1264 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:46,360 They don't want to. They're just thinking. 1265 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,360 Would you recommend it? Yeah, no. 1266 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:54,720 OK friend who I think has the profile that matches the best 1267 00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:57,680 things about the job. Even though I'm quitting and I 1268 00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,880 feel like I profile the best things about the job, what I 1269 00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,840 like, so I know that I'm ending up quitting, I would still 1270 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,440 recommend it to that person. So I hope that makes sense. 1271 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,760 If I think that person has the right profile to enjoy the 1272 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,880 amazing bits about teaching, I think it's worth doing to a 1273 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,120 certain degree, yeah, to a certain level, for a few years 1274 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,800 at least. But if I was just saying blanket 1275 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,400 to someone, one of my mates who is just random thinking, Oh 1276 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,760 well, I don't want career to go down, I wouldn't go to it 1277 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,200 immediately. It's like, well, you have to do 1278 00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:27,000 this. Yeah, yeah. 1279 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,840 Someone who's thinking I've got these five options, I might 1280 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,400 consider that one. And you can see the other 1281 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:31,600 options. You probably just say like, no, 1282 00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:32,800 don't do that. Go and do one of these other 1283 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,040 things you're interested in. Yeah, I guess an interesting way 1284 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,960 to explore the idea that you can say that whilst also just 1285 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,840 spending 50 minutes saying you're quitting teaching, right? 1286 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,600 Because I can see that the the irony there is you're in a 1287 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,880 different position to right now to where you were nine years ago 1288 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,200 and you started. So if you could go back in time 1289 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,800 and you're your own friend, your only friend, which is real, if 1290 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,840 you could go back in time and speak to Dylan nine years ago as 1291 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,680 you now, Dylan, who was passionate, like about to go 1292 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,160 into teaching, he loves the idea of teaching. 1293 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,040 Would you try and steer him away from it or would you still 1294 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,240 recommend that older Dylan? Yeah, you should go into 1295 00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:06,120 teaching. I'd probably. 1296 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,600 Say, mate, ditch the tie. Makes no difference to your 1297 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,080 teaching. Don't worry about wearing that. 1298 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,360 Yeah, don't. Don't wear a full suit. 1299 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:14,400 Don't buddy up. With this guy I. 1300 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,800 I see, OK, this is a great, this is a great question now and I 1301 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,480 love people's thoughts about being hypocritical. 1302 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,440 I don't think I would change my career path because do you know 1303 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,440 what? And then another reason why I'm 1304 00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,760 so excited by moving on to different things is it's still 1305 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,920 in education. And I don't think I'd be in a 1306 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,240 situation right now where I feel like I can still have a massive 1307 00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:36,120 impact on the education world if I hadn't done teaching for that 1308 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:37,280 long. So do you know what, if 1309 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,760 anything, maybe do you know what maybe I would say to myself is 1310 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,760 when COVID came around, quit. Do your four or five years, 1311 00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:47,240 maybe I would say to myself, you could have quit sooner. 1312 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,720 Maybe I could have said it to myself and maybe I could have 1313 00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:53,440 quit before I had my my son because I think my partner 1314 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,600 falling pregnant and knowing that Rory was on the way. 1315 00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,720 Definitely, definitely, definitely, definitely at that 1316 00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:01,000 point made me think, oh, OK, look, I'll just stay for a year 1317 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,320 or two then because I've got a son on the way and this is the 1318 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,400 security that I need. So maybe a couple of years 1319 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,920 beforehand, maybe leave this, leave a bit earlier maybe. 1320 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,520 Potentially, I don't know. I reckon you give yourself more 1321 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,640 credit, I think. I think you did the right thing 1322 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,360 at the time your line moved because you were having a child. 1323 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:15,560 That's a huge, that's a huge thing. 1324 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,720 And your line just moved. And it's OK to say that, like 1325 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,360 we're saying to other people, consider everything. 1326 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,440 No, I considered everything. Yeah, I suppose. 1327 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:22,880 I'm saying I think I did the right thing at the minute, but 1328 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,320 leave two years before that, Right. 1329 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,680 So like, you know when, when it was 2-3 years? 1330 00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,240 Yeah, right before we even thinking about having children. 1331 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:30,720 Yeah. At that point, I could have quit 1332 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,080 and tried something. But you know what? 1333 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,320 If I look back, look at the situation I'm in now, we've 1334 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,720 built this podcast. This podcast took 2 1/2 years 1335 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:40,080 for us to get this point that I think everything, you know, has 1336 00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,400 led to this point where I, I can't really look back and say, 1337 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,040 oh, well, I could have done that differently because I don't know 1338 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:45,760 what have happened. Yeah. 1339 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,480 You wouldn't be here right now. I might have a different job in 1340 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,000 education, not even in education. 1341 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,680 And I might have hated that job. And I might have gone back to 1342 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,880 teaching and not slowly built up everything else and been in a 1343 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,360 situation where I'm stuck as a classroom teacher or having to 1344 00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,520 move up and do year group leader and taking all my time away. 1345 00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:01,440 So do you know what? I'd go back to myself and I'd 1346 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,280 say no, Keep it the same. Keep it the same. 1347 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:04,240 Same. Yeah. 1348 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,680 I don't regret any of my like career moves and decisions in 1349 00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:10,720 all honesty. Like I don't regret having ten 1350 00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:12,640 years in in this career. I've loved this career. 1351 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,120 I've loved so much about this job. 1352 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,680 I hope, I hope that's come across quite clear in this 1353 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,520 because it could maybe see been seen as quite negative, but I've 1354 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:19,960 loved it and I wouldn't change a thing. 1355 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,280 I just think the right move for me now, it's like a chess game. 1356 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,000 It's just the right move for me now is to come out of the castle 1357 00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,320 for lots of different reasons. The castle, but do it wrong. 1358 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,000 Can't use it as a Knight Queen's Gambit. 1359 00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:31,440 Yeah, Rook to 85 could show that. 1360 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,440 Yeah. Never was it, but would you? 1361 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,120 So would you? What would you say to a friend? 1362 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,040 Because I would have reservations. 1363 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,080 OK, here. OK, here's the big question. 1364 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:44,000 Would you, would you be disappointed, happy, neutral? 1365 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,840 What would your reaction be if River, as she grew up River got 1366 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,840 to 1516 doing her options, she said. 1367 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,240 Do you know what that I think? I think I'm going to go into 1368 00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:55,840 teaching. I don't think my opinion really 1369 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,480 changes if it's River or not, in all honesty. 1370 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,160 I think I'm quite objective with this, which is fairly similar to 1371 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,800 yours, which is if I looked at River when she was 15 and 1372 00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,200 knowing what teaching was like, maybe it's changed then probably 1373 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,640 not worse. Yeah, worse. 1374 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,600 And I looked at her and I thought, yeah, you're absolutely 1375 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,320 suited for that. You know, you remind me of a 1376 00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:12,560 young me and I was super passionate. 1377 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,720 And I tell you what, I absolutely loved those first 1378 00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:17,160 years of my career in terms of there were some drawbacks in 1379 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,000 terms of, you know, toxicity in schools I worked in. 1380 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,480 But I loved the the I loved my job like I massively loved and 1381 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,800 lived and breathed it. If I looked at her and she and I 1382 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,600 thought, yeah, she's got the right sort of skill set. 1383 00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,480 She's in the right idea there. Like she's definitely built for 1384 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:29,920 this kind of job. I'd be like, yeah, go for it. 1385 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,840 But if I looked at her and I and I and I thought, I was worried 1386 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,480 thinking she's being naive and this is totally not the kind of 1387 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:37,880 skill set. Like she's been building up this 1388 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:39,920 other skill set, which is perfect for these other things. 1389 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:41,840 And teaching is not going to be it. 1390 00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:42,960 And she can have a horrible time. 1391 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,680 I might, I'm disappointed, but I might just try and would you be? 1392 00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,200 Wise. I'd be wise and just try to put 1393 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,840 all the facts out there and be like this is you might 1394 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,280 experience this, this is this and I probably in my head be 1395 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,440 worried that she's gonna do something that could be really 1396 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,680 bad. But you know, I mean, that's my 1397 00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,360 answer to that one. But going back to just a friend 1398 00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,000 in general, yes, same as you. I think if if it looks like a 1399 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,880 career they'll enjoy, I'd absolutely recommend it. 1400 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,600 So I guess I want to make it really clear that our answers 1401 00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,080 aren't no, yeah, we're not just blanketing. 1402 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,800 We're not allowed now. Like taking the high horses. 1403 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,480 No, I'm now quitting teaching. So I think everyone is a stupid 1404 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:14,680 career choice. Not amazing. 1405 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,640 Absolutely not. It's a fantastic career choice 1406 00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,240 to make. It still is a fantastic career 1407 00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:19,880 choice to make, just not for me. Yeah. 1408 00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,080 And if you've got that profile, like you said there, I see so 1409 00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,160 many and I love that we have so many Ects who listen to this 1410 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:30,520 podcast and seem to get so much out of it because I just, that 1411 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,240 doesn't change in me, you know, like I, I love being with the 1412 00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:35,120 children and teaching them because I love helping them and 1413 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,560 moulding them. I love the idea of people 1414 00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,840 listening to this right now who are earlier on in their career 1415 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,960 who want some help navigating teaching. 1416 00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,200 And I want to be that voice for them. 1417 00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,680 I want to help them stay in a bit longer, even if it's an 1418 00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,400 extra 234 years, even if they stay nine years instead of six 1419 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,800 years, even if they stay five years instead of two years, 1420 00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,640 whatever it might be. And they still enjoy themselves 1421 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,920 and they still get the amazing parts of this job, which are the 1422 00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,520 best things in the world because they've listened to what we've 1423 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,640 said or other people people have said about bending this off 1424 00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,480 because it doesn't matter or standing up for themselves. 1425 00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:07,280 That is such a win, not only for them, but for the children who 1426 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,640 they get to teach as well. That's why I'm so passionate 1427 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,400 because I want to help people. I fundamentally. 1428 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,400 So I read, I got a book about Stoicism. 1429 00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:17,720 OK, so I'm a bit going from my Stoic phase right now. 1430 00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:20,120 So anyone who doesn't know what Stoicism is, look it up. 1431 00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,920 It's like a old philosophy. It's this idea of you're in, 1432 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,880 you're in charge of yourself and external factors are hard to 1433 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,840 control. And if you chase trying to 1434 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,600 change things, you can't change. You just lead into a life cycle 1435 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,880 of just anger and, and, and bad habits and disresentment, right? 1436 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,520 So, and, and, and you know, listen to the podcast. 1437 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:38,560 You know that we need that sometimes. 1438 00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:39,720 We're talking about a machine here. 1439 00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:42,880 It's like it's hard to actually influence when it, when it comes 1440 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:49,160 to that kind of idea of being in control of what you can do that 1441 00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,920 I think, I think there's so much we can take from teachers in 1442 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,160 that respect of that helped me get another 2-3, four years out 1443 00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:59,200 of my career knowing what I'm in control over and being able to 1444 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,720 say, OK, look, I'm not in control of that, but I'm going 1445 00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:05,720 to enjoy and do what I can do. And a big thing of stoicism, a 1446 00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:07,720 huge question. And I'd love everyone who's 1447 00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:09,400 listening to ask themselves this question. 1448 00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:10,720 And I want you to think about this as well. 1449 00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:12,640 Maybe we'll come back to it in the future because it's not 1450 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,720 something you can answer easily. It sounds like a basic question, 1451 00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:17,360 but the question is, who are you? 1452 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,120 Who are you? You know, don't, don't just say 1453 00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,760 I'm a, you know, I'm a dog mum, I'm a teacher. 1454 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,320 I'm a, I'm a, I'm a job. I'm a, you know, caps 1455 00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,080 dysfunction in this gear of society. 1456 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,400 Who are you? Essentially? 1457 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,120 What do you want to be defined by? 1458 00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,640 What are your goals? What do you want to do and 1459 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,640 achieve in life? What do you want to be known 1460 00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,280 for? Who are you? 1461 00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,360 And I've really been thinking about this question and I've a 1462 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,360 look at the things that I get the most joy out of and what I 1463 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,840 can control role it is helping other people. 1464 00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,840 It it it comes down to that. And like this, and like we 1465 00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,040 always said, this act of service and doing things for someone 1466 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:59,920 else and this idea of it's always feels better to do and 1467 00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:02,200 give than it should be to receive. 1468 00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,840 And I'm guilty of wanting to receive things and seeing value 1469 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:06,880 in stuff that doesn't have value. 1470 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,280 Ultimately, who are you? Like, what do you want to be 1471 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,400 known for? And I think the reason why you 1472 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,480 and I and other people who I see this kind of profile in and why 1473 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,520 I'd say to them going to teaching is if you have that 1474 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,600 ultimate desire to give to other people and to help them and to 1475 00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,560 improve them through what you can control. 1476 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,280 Teaching's the best job in the world. 1477 00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,600 And if you can have that stoic attitude of I can control what I 1478 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,520 can control, and I'm OK with the fact that I can't control other 1479 00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,240 things. And if you can get over the fact 1480 00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,400 that that can be heart wrenching to see kids not getting what 1481 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,320 they need. And it is true that is not nice. 1482 00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,360 And you don't have to think it's nice, but you just have to 1483 00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,640 realise you can't control that. So control what you can give to 1484 00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,800 the right people in our society to help them and ignore the 1485 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,040 noise. It it can be the best job in the 1486 00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:51,560 world. I've just got to the point now 1487 00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,240 where I've done that enough. I need to remove myself because 1488 00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,520 I'm finding it tricky to do. Yeah, that's. 1489 00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,720 Brilliant. I think at the point of the 1490 00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,800 podcast now where we can say we're transitioning into a 1491 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:06,520 philosophy no longer, I didn't want to interrupt you at all 1492 00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,440 because I had a few think I was going to take the mic at one 1493 00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:09,240 point. I thought, you know, actually 1494 00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,360 you're making a genuinely really, really, really good 1495 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,600 point. And I think, yeah, I want to 1496 00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,000 reflect on that. I'm going to go and think about 1497 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:15,520 that. Like who? 1498 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,080 Who am I at that deepest level? You're right. 1499 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,000 It's so easy to be superficial and answer, but who are you? 1500 00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,920 Maybe. Who are you? 1501 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,440 Who am I? Who want to be and I think yeah, 1502 00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:23,760 that drives me it drives you as well. 1503 00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,680 We have these conversations a lot, you know in within the 1504 00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,360 parameters of that question, I think, but we're not going 1505 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:30,600 anywhere. I think that's really, I just 1506 00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,200 want to finish up by saying and making it extremely clear that 1507 00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,720 yeah, we we run a podcast called Teach sleep, repeat and I'll 1508 00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,760 still be sleeping. I I'll be repeating that. 1509 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,520 Actually. We want a really conscious and 1510 00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:44,920 we are going. To teach them and I and I. 1511 00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,040 Get exactly we're still going to be in classes and we're still 1512 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,600 going to be in education. I want to make that really 1513 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,000 clear. Like this isn't the end. 1514 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,840 If anything, honestly, we are going to it's just going to get, 1515 00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,120 we're going to go harder. And you know what? 1516 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,160 I. Generally I I want and maybe 1517 00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,680 need is. If listeners have got this far, 1518 00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,560 can you just send us a message? Can you just let us have we 1519 01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,480 achieved some of the things we've sought to achieve? 1520 01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,440 Do you feel heard? Do you enjoy what you hear? 1521 01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:07,960 What do you want to hear more of? 1522 01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,240 What can we do to help? Because we've got a lot of. 1523 01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,600 Time to kill. We've got a serious amount of 1524 01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,520 time to fill up, so if you could just give us some ideas. 1525 01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:16,680 I'll tell you what mate. Well, do you know? 1526 01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:17,800 What? We've got some holidays coming 1527 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,920 up and I keep saying, oh, in the summer we'll have time to fit 1528 01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,880 this in. And then I suddenly remember, 1529 01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,000 no, no, that's it though. Yeah, we don't, we don't go back 1530 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,120 in September. Yeah, that carries. 1531 01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:28,320 On we also teach you how you know. 1532 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,320 Time for us and we want to make a change we want to serve 1533 01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,920 people. We want to help you help us help 1534 01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,200 you get in touch give us prompts, give us ideas because 1535 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,680 we've got a whole bunch in my notes right now that we didn't 1536 01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,000 get a chance to do today but I keep everything guys. 1537 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,680 I really do even if we don't do it straight away we might do it 1538 01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,440 at some point and I appreciate it yeah. 1539 01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,320 Hayden, where can they find us? They can I. 1540 01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:50,560 Don't do this to me. I've. 1541 01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:52,160 Never done this. Where can we find us on? 1542 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:53,680 Instagram but teach the repeat POD. 1543 01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:54,800 No cast. Yep. 1544 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,360 Teacher repeat podcast. It's got the Gmail. 1545 01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,240 Is that without the pod? TikTok at teach sleep repeat 1546 01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:01,120 podcast. Correct. 1547 01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,000 Same thing. E-mail and e-mail 1548 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,280 teachsleeprepeatpod@gmail.com. Absolutely, I think. 1549 01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,600 We might need to spend some of our time, Yeah, aligning those. 1550 01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,840 Yeah, it's quite. Running meme that isn't it. 1551 01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,240 And do you know what's? Gonna really, really help us, 1552 01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,720 especially because we won't have a job soon, is if you just give 1553 01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,280 us a review. Wherever you are, guys, you're 1554 01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,120 gonna ask for money. Then I was like, we can't be 1555 01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:20,800 snooping to this level already, surely? 1556 01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,960 No, just a review. It's free massively, guys. 1557 01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,240 That was big for us. Let us know what you think and 1558 01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,760 we will see you next time. So yeah.