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Hello everyone, Michael bad to 
another episode of Teacher 

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repeat. 
My name is Dylan and my name is 

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Hayden, and today we're going to
be going through those all Timer

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1 liners from people who just 
hate teachers. 

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Am I going to? 
Is this going to boil my blood? 

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Maybe, but we're going to do it 
in a fun way where we read out 

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what a typical teacher hater 
troll might say, OK, take the 

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piss out of them. 
Yeah. 

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And why it's funny. 
Yeah. 

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And then actually try and 
dismantle it and why it's just 

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embedded in nonsense because you
probably can think of a few 

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already. 
Can we can we rate them on how 

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annoying they actually are as 
well? 

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Yeah, OK, let's do that. 
Just like just how how, Yeah. 

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How boiled your blood gets when 
you actually hear it. 

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In real life, what's the scale 
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Not. 
Not to boil not. 

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Not 100, not 100, not 100, 
Julie. 

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Not to 1000. 
Not a mathematician, that's. 

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Really precise. 
That's good, because then we. 

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Yeah, we. 
Can on a scale of naughty to 

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1000? 
And we've got about 1000 things 

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here. 
So we can, No, we've got about 

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10, OK. 
So someone can count as we go 

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through, All right. 
Yeah. 

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So they have to be all multiples
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Yeah. 
Because. 

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There's 1000. 
So what we'll do is we'll read 

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out each one. 
We'll start with that rating 

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then yeah, OK, I've got 
reaction, all that, and then 

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like you said, we'll unpick it. 
So the first one, those who can 

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do, those who can't teach. 
Look my my got guttural reaction

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to this is on the scale of 
nought to 1000, this is honestly

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like 112. 
Honestly like 112 roughly 

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people. 
Will take nothing. 

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That's so crazy girl. 
I was thinking 100. 

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And 11 genuinely, yeah, it 
doesn't. 

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It doesn't actually annoy me 
that much. 

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No, because I just it maybe it's
because I'm this is true. 

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I can't do. 
That's why I I can't teach. 

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That's why I quit. 
Oh man, no, the reason it 

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doesn't get me up is because 
it's so embedded in like I heard

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that my whole life. 
Like when I hear that now, I 

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just think it's banter. 
It's not even banter though, 

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because some people mean it. 
Like it's just, it's nothing. 

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It's not, it's not even funny. 
Like I'm just like it's nothing 

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to me because it's just, it's, 
it's coming from a place of 

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complete lack of understanding 
about what teaching is like 

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those who can't do teachers. 
Like what do you think? 

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Do you think we don't do? 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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Like, like I got you there. 
You can't do so you must teach. 

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What do you think we do? 
I think, I think it stems from 

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more like secondary school 
subject specialists where we go,

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ohh, you couldn't do you 
couldn't do your job in history,

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so, so you gotta teach you, 
haven't you? 

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You weren't a very good 
historian. 

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Well, won't getting the stonks 
in on the history job. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
And, and, and I always hear 

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people say this, and I'd love if
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secondary school business 
studies because that always 

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happens. 
Yeah, always happens. 

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Someone else be sat in business 
study, there'll be some bro 

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podcaster who's turned out to 
have some kind of success in in 

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wealth and business, etcetera, 
who then goes on and was like, 

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yeah, when I was at school, my 
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never had a business of his own.
Why was he teaching business 

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studies? 
I was like, OK, so, so, so 

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you're, you're kind of logic 
here is that no one should ever 

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be a business studies teacher 
because if they're already good 

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at it, they wouldn't be doing 
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So you wouldn't have had a 
business studies sense like what

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you've caught. 
Of course you need some people 

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to teach some stuff. 
It it just it seems like 

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nonsense to me. 
Like my food tech teacher never 

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had a restaurant which means 
they can't possibly teach me how

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to cook. 
It doesn't really make. 

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Sense yeah, it's it's hard 
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like the analogy is probably 
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are like if you're if you're a 
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never had them and ran a 
business like I do think there 

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is some point to that. 
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business studies teacher who 
maybe had some experience in 

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business. 
Before, yeah, yeah, exactly. 

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Yeah. 
Because like to to me it's not 

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equivalent to a food tech 
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Yeah, to me that's equivalent to
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how to bake a a cake. 
Yeah, sure. 

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Like it's a very fundamental 
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And I'd be like, well, yeah, 
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teacher, you should know how to 
make an omelette because you're 

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teaching kids how to make. 
I I don't think the comparison 

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you're making is bad at all 
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on a pedestal who come into 
primary school teaching who have

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had a career before, no? 
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really specific about what they 
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Yeah, there is a certain level 
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in that field, I think to be a 
suitable teacher. 

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So I'm not talking about going 
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You were, you were a chartered 
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primary school. 
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about. 
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if you're a food tech teacher, 
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of, of, of how to cook food. 
Sure, right. 

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If you're a maths teacher, you 
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level how to do maths, right. 
And if for any subject, there 

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should be a certain level that 
that you're at and for business 

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studies like it, it seems to 
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have been involved in them and 
run some kind of business or 

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done something seems to be like 
a fair like, OK, I'll throw it 

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to you. 
Do you think a business studies 

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teacher can never ever have ran 
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still teach it well? 
Yeah, yeah. 

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That's the thing. 
That's right. 

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That's where I think it falls 
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I don't think the analogy for 
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different from any other 
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So so you so you think that a 
food tech teacher can never have

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cooked an omelette before and 
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because that then the analogy is
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No, there's a basic level of way
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Be a basic level. 
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lower than having. 
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I don't think the basic level is
you have to run a business fine.

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I think you can conceptually 
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and and teach business studies 
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So if you just. 
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omelette, but you've never 
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You can teach kids how to make. 
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for that one. 
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I mean, I do think, I do think 
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I think the bar probably is 
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one. 
I just don't think business is 

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like different. 
I don't think whatever the bar 

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is for food tech, I don't think 
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different to whatever the bar is
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Do you know what I mean? 
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Just think. 
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cooking and knowing how to to 
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OK, cooking is like, OK you you 
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cooking what you want. 
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done it once so that you can 
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Correct. 
Why is that not the same for 

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business? 
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to have run a business like 
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So you. 
Don't need to have made. 

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Cooking a OK, cooking an 
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significantly simpler than 
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business. 
Yeah, Like, they're not the 

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same. 
They're not equivalent. 

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Yeah, I don't know. 
The restaurant thing is. 

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No, no it's not. 
The the restaurant thing is the 

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same. 
They have a business is quite 

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easy. 
Not really. 

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Like it's easy to do OK, OK, 
it's easy to go on comedy's 

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house and put in a random name 
and buy a company name. 

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But like actually running a 
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Same as cooking, I think. 
The restaurant thing is probably

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was was closer to the analysis. 
No, because the restaurant is a 

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business that's the same. 
That's not to do with a food 

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tech thing. 
You're missing my analogy here. 

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The exact thing that qualifies 
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Nothing to do running a 
restaurant. 

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Here's a better analogy then. 
Cooking is what? 

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You have to have been a chef to 
be a food tech teacher at some 

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point in your career? 
Yeah, I don't think that's true.

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Fair. 
I think you can have just done 

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some cooking at home. 
Yeah, as long as just a business

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home. 
Yeah, literally. 

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So running a small business, 
maybe that, but not even that. 

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You didn't need to run a small 
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You could watch some videos. 
You don't. 

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You could talk to your mates on 
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It's different. 
I'm just, I'm trying to get, 

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you're trying to find an 
equivalence here. 

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Yeah, Yeah. 
And you're saying, yeah, just 

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cook at home. 
So I'm saying yeah, run a 

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business from home. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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But OK. 
In the same way of math, it's 

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like you have to know how to do 
the equation before you do it. 

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You don't have to have any 
genuinely any actual role in a 

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in a like a certified you. 
Need to know how to do them and 

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understand the process. 
Yeah, you need to. 

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And do it and be able to do. 
It, yeah, but I think there's 

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some things. 
You can solve. 

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The problem some things you can.
You can understand how to do 

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them completely, conceptually, 
Absolutely. 

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That's it. 
But as a teacher, do you not 

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think the bar is that you should
be able to do them? 

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And it's not just conceptual. 
You should be able to do them, 

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but I think you can prove that 
conceptually for some things. 

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OK, so so it sounds like you 
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for all the other subjects apart
from like business studies? 

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No, no, no, a little bit 
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With history, for example, 
right, if, if you're a history 

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teacher, you should be able to 
look at lots of different 

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sources, compile an argument, 
write an essay or a 

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dissertation. 
Yeah, you should be able to do 

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that. 
You should be able to not, not 

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just conceptually. 
You don't have to have done it. 

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No, I think you do have to have 
done it. 

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If you're a history teacher, you
have to have done that yourself 

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And and walked the walk before 
you expect children who are 

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younger than you to do the same 
thing. 

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Yeah, of course you do. 
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, you definitely

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have to. 
Of course you do. 

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Like if if my if I went into 
school, my history teacher 

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hadn't written a dissertation on
a history degree or or had had 

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not done any writing themselves 
or any actual proof of 

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understanding sources, citing 
them, putting them into an 

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argument, and writing long long 
essays, I'd say you shouldn't be

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a history. 
Teacher, OK, so they'll do that 

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in the degree. 
So that's fine, you'll be fine. 

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OK. 
But do you think they have to 

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have out in the field, have 
experience of done that as well?

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Or do you think doing it in a 
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would, they'll do a business 
degree to teach business. 

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Do not think that the degree 
gives them the suitable level of

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experience of of of the doing. 
Sure. 

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But I right, but in the in the 
degree of doing, but if you did 

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business studies as a degree, 
you've done the business, you 

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would have done stuff that is 
equivalent to running a 

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business. 
You would have. 

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You would have learned 
everything you need to learn 

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about business itself and done 
it. 

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Good, that's fine, you get it. 
But. 

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They have done it then, so they 
have done it, yeah. 

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Yeah, because we've, I think 
the, I think it was fair to 

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establish that you have to have 
had the degree to teach the 

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subject anyway because that's 
just not that's. 

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Not true at the minute. 
Is it not? 

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No, that's the whole point In 
secondary school, so many 

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teachers, they're not got a 
specialist in their subject. 

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Yes. 
Bat around. 

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So. 
So my point here is there just 

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has to be minimum. 
And again, look, there are loads

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for the business studies teacher
listening right now. 

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They're like, what? 
I've never run a business. 

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Yeah. 
Are you sure you can be great at

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your job, Right. 
Because you've gone through the 

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qualifications and the levels 
and you've done it. 

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You've still done it. 
Yeah. 

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You've still done the equivalent
of yeah, OK, Running a business 

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means you have to do XYZ. 
And I'm pretty sure on your 

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business studies degree you 
would have learned about XYZ and

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written essays about it and done
it. 

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So let's go all the way back 
then, because my whole point of 

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this was business studies is not
different to other subjects. 

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Yeah. 
So all that food tech then like 

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what? 
What? 

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What do you, what's the 
equivalent? 

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You don't do a degree in food 
tech. 

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Well, I think there is some sort
of qualification. 

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A lot of people go to college. 
I know my sister went to college

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and got qualification cooking 
and they and they did and they 

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did practical, practical cooking
because that was part of that. 

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So what I was trying to say was 
the bar is different for each 

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one in terms of the things you 
might do. 

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Like it looks different, but 
like in reality, like you don't 

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like. 
For cooking, you go and do your 

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degree, you do cooking. 
So I'm for business. 

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You should do the business 
stuff. 

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Yeah, but you'll get it through 
your degrees. 

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But you should still do it. 
Business studies don't have to 

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put on a pedestal of like, no, I
never said that you have to have

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now run a business. 
You did. 

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Yeah, you have to now run a 
business yourself. 

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No, none of these jobs you need 
to. 

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It's good if you have. 
Yeah, it's good. 

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But you don't need to have been 
a professional chef. 

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You don't need to have been a 
historian working for some 

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historian. 
I don't know the historical 

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charter. 
You know, you can like the the 

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baseline qualification for that 
role is is suitable. 

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And I completely it's a 
different argument to say that 

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sometimes teachers are put into 
roles where they don't have that

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qualification. 
That's just across the board, I 

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think, a problem. 
Yeah. 

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No, no, no. 
But what I was not saying, I was

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not making the point that the 
the qualification for the job is

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not enough, right? 
I was. 

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The point here is I'm saying 
people do jobs without that 

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qualification. 
So I'm just making it a neutral 

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thing. 
Now whether you've done the 

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qualification or not, there are 
certain things I think you have 

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to have at at a certain level to
be a teacher in that exact as a 

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specialist in. 
Degree, school, and that 

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comparatively. 
Right. 

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And I'm just saying I just, I 
don't think they are like, I 

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just think that's what I'm 
saying like in terms of business

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studies, whether you've done the
degree or not, there has to be a

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certain level where you have 
done the things you're preaching

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about. 
You have literally done them and

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understood them and and 
practised them. 

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And that's why if you haven't 
got, of course, if you do a 

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history degree, you've done all 
the stuff I said you need to do.

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But if you haven't, I think you 
have to be able to prove that 

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you can do that before you're 
you're good enough to be a 

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history teacher. 
So that's why I was 112. 

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Yeah, sorry, back to the 
episode. 

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I forgot A roll of podcast 
those. 

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Yeah. 
So those who can do. 

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Yeah, those who can't go and get
a business degree teach 

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business. 
I've got nothing against by the 

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way, I'm just going to say right
now this is great, but I'm just 

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saying that that's kind of where
it comes from. 

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That's the ultimate version is I
see a lot of business, which is 

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yeah, to be fair, that's that's 
in particular 1 and I and I 

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think that there's a reason why 
it's that one in particular, 

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because if you know how to run a
really like, you know, if you 

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know, yeah, yeah, yeah, same 
thing. 

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It makes it one. 
You say. 

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It's like, yeah, it. 
And let me be really clear now 

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as well, it is a different role.
And that's why we still need 

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teachers to do it, right? 
Completely, completely. 

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Because you can still learn 
about something without being 

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excelling in that role. 
Yeah. 

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And that's where it comes from. 
It's like, well, if you were the

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best at that, you wouldn't be 
teaching it. 

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That's true. 
If you were the best at running 

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a business, you wouldn't be 
doing business studies. 

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Yeah. 
If you were the best at teaching

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cooking, you wouldn't be 
teaching it in a secondary 

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school, you'd be. 
You'd be off that. 

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You'd be off teaching chefs how 
to cook. 

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Yeah, Yeah, right. 
If you weren't the best 

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mathematician, you wouldn't be 
in a secondary school teaching 

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maths. 
You'd be off applying your maths

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to something. 
Yeah. 

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So. 
So there is a semblance of truth

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here. 
I just think it completely 

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disregards the whole profession.
That's really important that we 

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need. 
And as a teacher myself, that's 

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why I just like it doesn't even 
know it. 

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Just ignore it. 
I'm just like, yeah, yeah, 

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you're an idiot. 
They're different things. 

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Exactly that, 100% I, I think 
that's really true. 

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The semblance of understanding 
why that, why that analogy came 

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about. 
But ultimately, like, some 

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people also just want to teach. 
Yeah. 

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And it's like, and to 
completely, like, make them feel

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like crap over this. 
It's just so like some people 

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legitimately are like, I want to
go and get this degree because I

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really want to be a teacher and 
I like this subject. 

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I'm going to marry them 
together. 

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And I want to teach that subject
to kids. 

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And like, that's completely 
legitimate. 

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Like we shouldn't just some. 
Of my favourite teachers were my

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food tech teachers and I'd never
dream of even questioning them 

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for a second because they were 
with young children teaching 

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them how to cook, which is 
what's an important life skill. 

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Yeah, it's vital. 
Well, you're, if you're already 

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good, you'd be in the Michelin 
star restaurant teaching the 

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chefs how to do it. 
But they're not. 

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They're here because it's 
helpful, so. 

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And, and, and also, I don't even
want to do that. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
Some people it's legitimate as 

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well to be like, yeah, I 
probably, it'd be, it would 

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actually be legitimate for 
someone to be in a position 

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where it's like they are 
actually qualified enough to do 

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that and they just don't want to
do it. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
And be like, that's not even 

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unheard of. 
Like you could be good enough to

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go and work that, but I don't 
want to. 

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It's a horrendous environment. 
I'd rather just be here 

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completely. 
Anyway, next one ready. 

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Go on. 
I'll do it. 

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I pay your salary, so I have 
control and my point of view is 

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important. 
And I pay your bloody salary. 

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So you listen to me, Mr I pay 
your bloody salary. 

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Like a 300 for me is it? 
I find it a little bit 

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triggering when it comes to the 
context of all of the. 

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Stuff you just said. 
I think just saying I pay your 

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salary is like is like. 
Mine's mine's zero. 

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Yeah. 
But OK, the whole context of 

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this is that the people teaching
so 703 for me. 703 yeah, really.

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Why is it so high for you? 
Because it's, it's such a sense 

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of entitlement, as if everyone 
doesn't pay for everyone. 

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Yeah, as if for some reason, 
because it's from taxpayer 

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money, like. 
Oh, Now, therefore you're my 

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servant and you shall do exactly
what I say. 

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No, I'm sorry. 
I'm the specialist. 

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Shut up. 
Doesn't matter where this comes 

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from. 
Sure. 

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Yeah, OK. 
You pay great. 

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I could just pretend that my mum
pays for me and not you. 

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There you go. 
I could walk into a shop and 

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spend £300 and then tell the 
person exactly I pay your salary

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because I contributed a tiny 
amount of that salary. 

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That's my point. 
That's exactly my point. 

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Because even in the private 
sector, yes, everyone pays 

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someone's salary. 
Yeah. 

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So your customers pay the 
customer's always, right? 

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Yeah, but I'm pretty sure in 
your own job as well, you get 

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annoyed when customers say that 
to nonsense. 

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Yeah, that's similar, isn't it? 
The customer was right. 

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And I pay your salary. 
That's the same part. 

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Well, I'm a paying customer 
here. 

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Sure. 
Why don't you necking? 

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No, because you are wrong. 
Still, I pay your salary. 

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What's your point? 
Because the only point they make

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when they say I pay your salary 
is therefore you're below me. 

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Yeah, I pay your salary. 
So you better wound your necking

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and listen to what I've got to 
say. 

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Because I pay your salary. 
There's no no one's saying this 

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going. 
I pay your salary. 

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That's brilliant. 
That's nice, isn't it? 

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They're only doing this as a way
to try and belittle you. 

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Yeah. 
And put them on a pedestal above

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you. 
So listen to me and then and and

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then who says this to you if 
someone says it's you from an 

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insurance company? 
Well, yeah, I pay your salary, 

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mate. 
I've got house insurance and car

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insurance and home insurance. 
Yeah, home and house insurance 

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double paying. 
But yeah, I pay your salary as 

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well. 
What's your point? 

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I'm paid to deliver a role as a 
specialist. 

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Shut up. 
Yeah, I'm not going to come into

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your job and tell you how to do 
the insurance. 

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Probably you do Probably. 
If you're doing it really badly,

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maybe I'll have an opinion, but 
I also don't know that much 

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about insurance, so I'm going to
just leave it to you. 

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Yeah, it. 
Seems like a scammer, don't it? 

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Yeah, I'm going to pay 
insurance. 

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And if I ever want to take money
out, you're going to put my 

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insurance up massively to cover 
the cost. 

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Oh, it's it sounds like I'm just
paying you money every month. 

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Yeah. 
What we need to do is think of 

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comebacks for every single job 
that's in the same line as that.

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I pay a salary that's a do we 
just need to have something? 

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Do you know what I mean? 
Have you always wanted to be a 

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scam artist to an insurance 
broker? 

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Don't really think that, by the 
way. 

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So please don't get annoyed. 
But like, I don't think it was. 

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I don't think people want to be 
a scam artist, but I think 

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insurance. 
Is no, I think they just enable 

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it through taking a salary from 
them and get get get paid in 

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Commission. 
Yeah, the more they RIP someone.

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Off Well I think you enable left
woke beta male teachers. 

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You'll love something that's 
coming up later. 

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Propaganda. 
You'll love one of those. 

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We'll go. 
Later in this. 

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All right, we'll stick around 
for that one. 

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We're not going to. 
Do it right now so in 10 months 

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you're hooked in. 
I pay salary, piss off. 

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Yeah, bet 9. 
Yeah, BET9700700. 3 isn't that 

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one? 
Then how do you feel about this 

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one? 
Go on, working 9:00 to 3:00 and 

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having every weekend off must be
wow nice. 

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It's lovely, thank you. 
It's lovely. 

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And you pay it for me. 
Yeah, crazy. 

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You only work. 
For me, thanks for paying me. 

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I have to buddy work 8 till 5 
and I don't get every weekend. 

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I don't get how many weeks 
holiday do you? 

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Get Wait a minute, it sounds 
like you would love teaching. 

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Yeah, yeah, come. 
Along my God's a reaction 

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working night to free and having
every weekend off again. 

457
00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,960
Personally this doesn't annoy me
anymore because I just think 

458
00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:45,160
it's just complete nonsense. 
To me this is like a 207 really.

459
00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,120
It triggers me more. 
You know, I think that's like 

460
00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,960
500 in the middle, really. 
Maybe 501 go one side. 

461
00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:53,880
Yeah, 501. 
Closer to complete mental 

462
00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,120
breakdown. 
Yeah, yeah, I suppose because I 

463
00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,320
just, it really irritates me 
that someone can have such a 

464
00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,440
misunderstanding of the role of 
teaching and say it so 

465
00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,120
nonchalantly. 
And I was like, shut up. 

466
00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,400
I just want to say shut up, you 
know, what are you thick? 

467
00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:07,400
That's what I want to say to 
those people. 

468
00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:08,400
You can't because you've got to 
come rude. 

469
00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:09,400
I can't have the podcast, 
obviously. 

470
00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:10,480
To every single one of them. 
Of course. 

471
00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:10,839
Of course. 
Yeah. 

472
00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:11,839
Because you don't see them. 
Yeah. 

473
00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,200
Just come down much later. 
Exactly. 

474
00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,359
Feel like you're saying it to 
What are you going to do 9 till 

475
00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,839
3 every weekend off? 
Like, why are you making such a 

476
00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:19,599
presumption? 
Yeah. 

477
00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:23,319
And also like it shows how 
ignorant you are because 

478
00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:28,880
honestly, 10 seconds off just 
looking into this first of all 

479
00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,360
shows you that no one's even 
doing contact time 9 till three.

480
00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,760
It's like half 8 till 3:15 
anyway. 

481
00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:35,920
Oh, it's only 45 minutes I 
thought. 

482
00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,440
Yeah, it just goes to show you 
already wrong. 

483
00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,360
Even if it was just contact time
that teachers did, which isn't 

484
00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:42,800
we can go into the whole thing. 
You're just already wrong. 

485
00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,640
And it anyone who says something
like this doesn't actually care 

486
00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,680
about the truth. 
They they can't care about the 

487
00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,240
truth because it would be so 
easy to debunk what they're 

488
00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,360
saying as nonsense that if they 
haven't debunked it themselves, 

489
00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,440
they don't care and they don't 
want to know, which I think is 

490
00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,160
why I'm less triggered by it 
because I'm just like, oh, you 

491
00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,480
are just a complete moron. 
There is nothing we can do. 

492
00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,080
And when like what gets me as 
some, as you know, we've got 

493
00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,360
social media now. 
It's actually a Facebook 

494
00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:10,760
comment. 
By the way, we've got like 

495
00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,440
55,000 followers on Facebook. 
I don't go on Facebook. 

496
00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,680
So if you're from Facebook, 
Hello, cheers. 

497
00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,880
Yeah, thank you. 
It just cross posts but every 

498
00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,520
now and then I'll go on just to 
check, just to see. 

499
00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:21,800
Yeah, what's going on in the 
comments? 

500
00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,880
And there was a comment along 
this line, but it was within, 

501
00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:26,960
there was like hundreds of 
comments in this row we did. 

502
00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,920
And the vast majority of 
obviously teachers going like, 

503
00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,600
it's ridiculous. 
I, I get in at half seven every 

504
00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,760
day and leave at 5:00 and I 
still have stuff to do in the 

505
00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,760
evening or at the weekend along 
those lines of like, oh, a 

506
00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,880
person doing the job who's 
experienced it, who's just 

507
00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,800
telling you what they do 
hundreds of individual times on 

508
00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:43,480
their own. 
Yeah. 

509
00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,560
And someone commented going, oh,
it's just nonsense. 

510
00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:46,800
I know a teacher only works 
there. 

511
00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,200
It's 9 till three, Like, oh, 
well, it's so easy. 

512
00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,480
Like what you're moaning about. 
I'm like, there, there are 

513
00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,400
hundreds of examples as to why 
you're wrong around this comment

514
00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,800
that you put in and you still 
hold on to it like, well, I 

515
00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,120
think this and I'm the main 
character in life, aren't I? 

516
00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:05,000
So what I say goes, you're wrong
and an idiot. 

517
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:10,040
Yeah, people that use their 
very, very limited pool of 

518
00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,200
examples of of anything to 
justify their entire thought 

519
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,480
process or something that is is 
baffles me always. 

520
00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:16,800
Can I link this to another one 
then? 

521
00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,840
Because this is another one that
we get, maybe we can rate it as 

522
00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,000
well. 
But it's, it's very much linked 

523
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,120
to what I've kind of gone on to 
here. 

524
00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:23,800
Yeah, I know you a teacher who's
lazy, so you all must be. 

525
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,440
That is it, isn't it my? 
Brother's a teacher and he gets 

526
00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,920
in at 8 and leaves at 3:15 every
single day and doesn't do any 

527
00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,160
work. 
OK. 

528
00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,720
That's do you know what it could
be true, yeah, but. 

529
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:35,440
Probably. 
Probably. 

530
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:36,440
I'm sure. 
Of course there'd be someone 

531
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:37,080
like that. 
Yeah. 

532
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:38,840
Of. 
Course, but then it's like, so 

533
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,200
you're all lazy. 
You know what you're moaning 

534
00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,080
about you. 
Can do that or even not you're 

535
00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,080
all lazy. 
So I don't know what you're all 

536
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,120
doing wrong, right. 
You could all do this right, but

537
00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:50,040
as if the bar then gets to be 
like that's too low in terms of 

538
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,680
like I can always guarantee if 
you're getting, if you're just 

539
00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,080
going in precisely for contact 
time stuff's not getting done. 

540
00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,520
I'm sorry, it's not, it's not. 
I'd be blown away, someone said.

541
00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,120
Someone show me a good example 
of teacher really fulfilling 

542
00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:05,840
that full potential of their 
role and doing those out is not 

543
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:06,880
possible. 
No, it's not. 

544
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,320
That doesn't even do you know 
what actually it goes against 

545
00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:10,600
the contract. 
Yeah, you have to. 

546
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,080
Because the contract literally 
says directed time and 

547
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,440
reasonable hours outside the 
whole reasonable things where we

548
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,360
argue a lot. 
Yeah, So we have to do 

549
00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:18,480
something. 
You've got to do something. 

550
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:19,880
So that person's just not even. 
They're just not. 

551
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,400
You're glorifying someone just 
not even doing the job properly.

552
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,800
Yeah, that's not doing us any 
favours as teachers. 

553
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,720
Yeah, let's not set the bar of 
don't do the job properly, 

554
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,480
right. 
That's like saying, Oh my mate, 

555
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,840
the worst insurance, he only 
works from 9:00 to 11:00. 

556
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,280
Yeah, his contract is 9 till 
five. 

557
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,040
He just decides to go home early
and using that as the bar to set

558
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,160
to all other insurance brokers. 
Like, yeah, he does 2 hours a 

559
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:39,200
day. 
What are you lot doing get? 

560
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:39,960
Scamming. 
Come on. 

561
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,520
Yeah. 
Come on, you're putting on 

562
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,640
unnecessary works. 
No, he's just leaving early. 

563
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:44,960
Yeah, he's breaking his 
contract. 

564
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,040
I get something similar and it 
actually triggers me. 

565
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,120
This is off the list. 
I'm gonna add something to it 

566
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,120
because it's the other way 
around. 

567
00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:54,000
It's not from a teacher hater. 
I get a lot from teachers who 

568
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,200
will say something like I saw a 
video, I can't remember who it 

569
00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,240
was, I can't remember who it 
was, but I'm not trying to dig 

570
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:00,880
anyone out. 
But it was a video and it 

571
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,760
annoyed me because the video was
a little known fact about 

572
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,760
teaching. 
Teachers are, are only paid for 

573
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,040
their directed time and anything
they do extra is not paid for 

574
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,120
and it's extra work that they 
shouldn't be doing, right? 

575
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,440
And I was like, you are wrong, 
but you are wrong. 

576
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,360
We, we, we spend 99% of our time
defending teachers and saying 

577
00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:22,880
lots of go above and beyond. 
But anyone who says teachers are

578
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,200
only paid for directed time and 
therefore should only do 

579
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,760
directed time are wrong. 
Yeah, because it it could not be

580
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,840
more clear in the contract and 
we can talk about whether we 

581
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,280
think the contracts are 
ridiculous or not and we can 

582
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,360
have a really good conversation.
And I think we probably agree 

583
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,280
that that little bit in the 
contract which says you need to 

584
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,360
do your director time and 
additional reasonable hours is 

585
00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:46,200
nonsense because it's vague, but
it does exist. 

586
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,560
It is in there. 
It is in there. 

587
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,720
So when you say like teachers 
work extra for free, we actually

588
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,880
don't. 
Like part of our salary is 

589
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,600
director time plus another part 
of our salary is reasonable 

590
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,520
extra hours. 
And that's involved in the 

591
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,880
payment. 
So it it, it's not helpful when 

592
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,320
people say just do directed time
and then go home. 

593
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,800
And that'll teach them that 
isn't your contract. 

594
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,920
You know what would be helpful? 
And this is where I think we 

595
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,960
need to all get on the same 
page, directed time. 

596
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,240
And then we all define 
reasonable together. 

597
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,920
And even if we just say it's one
hour a day that that would 

598
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,320
quickly get eaten up because it 
could be in lunchtime, which is 

599
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,680
not directed time, could be 
after school, which when you do 

600
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,000
marking or a bit of extra 
planning when PPA overruns. 

601
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,240
Yeah. 
Or in the morning, if we all 

602
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,560
agree. 
Yeah, whatever it might be, if 

603
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,880
we all agree let's do an hour 
extra, that is then definitely 

604
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,040
within the contract. 
It also says in the contract, no

605
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,000
one else can dictate to you what
reasonable is. 

606
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,200
Yeah, so they can't say that's 
not reasonable. 

607
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,280
You can say, well actually look 
at my contract, yeah, it says 

608
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,440
reasonable hours and you can't 
be dictated to what reasonable 

609
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,400
hours are. 
And I'm pretty sure the number 5

610
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,280
is ours. 
So yeah, yeah, yeah. 

611
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,200
I've done five of them, Yeah. 
And I've said it's reasonable. 

612
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,200
And actually, do you know what 
my whole colleague circle has as

613
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:52,680
well? 
Yeah. 

614
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,920
And we're all doing one hour 
extra and then we go off. 

615
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,200
That's good. 
Yeah. 

616
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:57,440
So that triggers me the other 
way. 

617
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,440
And it doesn't help when you get
people who are saying things 

618
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,200
like, oh, it's nice just working
direct to time, isn't it? 

619
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,040
And then you also get teachers 
saying, yeah, let's just do 

620
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,280
that. 
Let's just get some kind of 

621
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,640
middle ground, please. 
Yeah, good one, good one. 

622
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,760
Next one. 
Most of what you teach is 

623
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,200
pointless. 
Interesting that one. 

624
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,400
Doesn't trigger me. 
No, I was going to say that. 

625
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:21,640
That genuinely doesn't trigger 
me. 

626
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,280
Someone said that to me. 
I'd be like, OK, let's talk 

627
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,360
about that. 
Excuse me? 

628
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,520
It's not pointless. 
Thank you and I shall go back to

629
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,280
teaching the active passive 
voice. 

630
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,480
Yeah, I'll be doing a rivers to 
be fair, but. 

631
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,680
Fair enough. 
Well, I think I think Rivers is 

632
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,120
less pointless than active 
voice. 

633
00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:36,880
OK, God's sake. 
Here's where it does trigger me 

634
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,720
right, is when people use 
examples where I don't think 

635
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,560
it's pointless when there's 
particularly when it comes to 

636
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,760
like maths or core subjects and 
they say, they say teach them 

637
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,400
that particular insert math 
thing is pointless because they 

638
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,040
won't use that. 
I've never used Pythagoras when 

639
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,520
I've been older. 
People love that one. 

640
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,000
I haven't. 
Yeah. 

641
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:53,680
No, I haven't. 
I've. 

642
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,240
Used it to solve logic puzzles. 
There you go in my. 

643
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,600
Own free time. 
Completely necessary. 

644
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,680
I just think there's deeper 
pedagogy, of course, problem 

645
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,160
solver. 
There is deeper pedagogy too. 

646
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,720
Why we do all the things we do 
in in terms of in maths if we're

647
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,320
talking about to my maths. 
Well, I don't use Pythagoras 

648
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,040
before, no, but let's just think
the logical process of 

649
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,000
understanding how to go about 
something and going about a 

650
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,480
problem and not getting the 
right answer, then trying again 

651
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,720
and then understanding certain 
rule set and then applying that.

652
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,160
You do that all the time. 
Yeah. 

653
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,000
And honestly, right. 
If we actually stopped at where 

654
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,400
the general bar is in terms of 
what you might need for just 

655
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,560
general, very, very basics in 
jobs. 

656
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,640
Let's stop at you too then. 
Yeah. 

657
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:32,760
What? 
Oh, yeah. 

658
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,680
I don't. 
I also, I don't use triangles in

659
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:35,680
my job. 
OK, cool. 

660
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,920
When I teach kids about 
triangles, I don't. 

661
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,040
Yeah, I don't use that. 
I don't use year 6 algebra. 

662
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,200
Yeah. 
So you probably do, by the way. 

663
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,800
Yeah, because algebra is 
probably the most right In my 

664
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,840
opinion, algebra is the most 
widely used, but. 

665
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,760
People think that though because
because they don't see in their 

666
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,320
life. 
May plus, that's my point. 

667
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,360
My point is that it's the most 
abstract thing when you just 

668
00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:56,080
look at it as a whole and easy 
to say you never use it. 

669
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:58,320
Yeah, but actually you probably 
use that way more than knowing 

670
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,280
what a dodecahedron is. 
Yeah, so, but let's go back to 

671
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,400
the actual point and what's 
triggering most of what you 

672
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,680
teach is pointless. 
I have an issue with the word 

673
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,960
most because if I think about my
primary school timetable, well, 

674
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,440
half it's English and math 
straightaway, and then the 

675
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,200
afternoons are art. 
Not pointless. 

676
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:16,880
Yeah. 
Not pointless to teach art, of 

677
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:17,920
course. 
Not pointless. 

678
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:18,720
Yeah. 
What do you mean? 

679
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,080
Are you defining a point by it 
can make me money in a job that 

680
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,000
I'm going in? 
The job specifically only I want

681
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,280
as well. 
That's not even about everyone 

682
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:27,480
else. 
So from year 2 we should put 

683
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,000
everyone in the box like 
engineer, Carpenter, TikTok 

684
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,320
influencer, YouTube footballer 
and they only learn and they 

685
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,120
only do that. 
Like I'm obviously not like like

686
00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:37,920
so when it says most I'm like 
it's just not. 

687
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,960
Yeah, that I feel like people 
will use the word pointless 

688
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,760
retrospectively, right. 
Exclusively that Yeah, it's like

689
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,720
OK when I'm. 
A Pythagoras professor? 

690
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,360
Yeah. 
Do you, like, use it all the 

691
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,520
time? 
Yeah, Actually, I'm a business 

692
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:49,440
studies teacher. 
Yeah. 

693
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,480
Uses business studies called 
constantly. 

694
00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:55,560
It's like, OK, we can all 
retrospectively when we're 40 

695
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,280
and we're kind of deep rooted 
into a job or career, whatever, 

696
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,080
go back and go for a checklist 
of everything we they ever 

697
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,760
learned at school and be like, 
oh, I didn't use that, that, 

698
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,960
that, that and that. 
But to suggest that we can then 

699
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,240
go back in time and tell people 
like, well, don't do these 

700
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,200
things because that going to be 
pointless for you is absurd. 

701
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,960
Yeah. 
And like, you could look, you 

702
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,520
could look back at it. 
You're absolutely right, because

703
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,640
I could look back at what I did.
And there were lots of people 

704
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,160
who say something like, drama is
pointless. 

705
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,960
Yeah. 
And like, if you actually look 

706
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,600
at my job, like you could 
probably say, Oh yeah, it's 

707
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,040
pointless because you're not an 
actor. 

708
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,880
But really it was the opposite 
of that. 

709
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,800
Yeah. 
It really helped me in general 

710
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,320
just build confidence. 
And then that has gone on to 

711
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,400
build me up in other ways where 
I could put on a show for the 

712
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,840
children and teach and do things
like this and social media 

713
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,360
videos and, you know, talk on a 
podcast. 

714
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,320
Exactly. 
So I think it's just, it's 

715
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,960
never, you know, A to B, like 
you don't use this exact 

716
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,480
Pythagoras theorem that you 
learn, therefore that's 

717
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,960
pointless. 
It's like there's, there's so 

718
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,640
many nodes and strands that come
off learning things like that. 

719
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,360
Yeah. 
Which in the long run impact you

720
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:56,400
positively, even in the way that
isn't naturally, you know, abyss

721
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,280
straight away. 
Definitely, definitely. 

722
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,200
So what did we give? 
Did we give that on a rating? 

723
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,600
I felt like we didn't. 
What was it again? 

724
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:02,760
Most of it. 
Most of it. 

725
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,480
The teachers might not because I
think be really honest, I think 

726
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,960
quite a bit is pointless. 
Yeah, yeah, I do. 

727
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,920
I I I've said before I've I've 
stood in front of a class 

728
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,400
knowing this is the lesson I 
have to teach and thought why am

729
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,560
I doing this? 
But does that, does that just 

730
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,400
break our analogy of like, you 
think it's pointless because you

731
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,880
don't think any of those kids? 
Are going to do that thing? 

732
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,160
No, no, because because I'm I'm 
looking at the. 

733
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,160
My point here is that I know my 
class. 

734
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,120
I'm in front of them and I know 
that actually I could just read 

735
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:30,240
a story to them and there'd be 
other people who say that's 

736
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,600
pointless, okay. 
But for my class right now, 

737
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,360
actually, it would just be so 
much better for them just to get

738
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:36,960
engrossed in this story. 
And yeah, okay, I can't decide 

739
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,160
what isn't pointless, but it 
doesn't mean just because it's 

740
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,440
hard to individually say that 
the the the end point of your 

741
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,520
logic is nothing is pointless 
then because it might be good 

742
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,280
for one person. 
Yeah, yeah, I do think some 

743
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,120
stuff's pointless. 
OK, I think pointless is a 

744
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:51,240
really strong word. 
I think maybe maybe the word 

745
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,640
pointless isn't right. 
OK, what we're talking about 

746
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,840
better stuff I could priority. 
I'm thinking priorities, 

747
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,160
genuinely. 
Yeah, some stuff is. 

748
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,000
It just shouldn't be the 
priority right now. 

749
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,320
Like it's in fact it's so low on
the list. 

750
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:01,360
It's not pointless because there
might be 1 kid who likes this 

751
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:03,800
thing, but it's significantly 
lower than all these other 

752
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:04,800
things. 
I think that's probably where 

753
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,000
I'm trying to. 
Get yeah, no, that's fine. 

754
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,160
That, that, that makes way more 
sense, yeah. 

755
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,480
All right, another one ready. 
All teachers do is just complain

756
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,400
and moan online. 
Pretty much, yeah, it's true. 

757
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,600
And zero. 
Yeah, no rage right there. 

758
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,320
Yeah, I can't really argue with 
the fact that every reel we ever

759
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,760
put out, the ones that go viral 
are the ones that where we're 

760
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,200
moaning about something. 
So clearly people like it. 

761
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,240
It's not all we ever do. 
I'm actually going to do a quick

762
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,760
call out for a couple of people 
not call out, shout out, call 

763
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:31,640
out. 
Sounds like I'm calling them out

764
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:32,880
for doing something bad. 
They're not they're doing 

765
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,040
something good positive. 
We've we've, we've watched them 

766
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,800
for a while while I have anyway,
because you don't do social 

767
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,160
media really. 
And I like their content. 

768
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,520
It's very positive. 
It's like day in life. 

769
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,560
Here's what we got up to. 
It's like very upbeat. 

770
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,720
So like it kind of goes against 
what we're saying of social 

771
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,160
media in, in general. 
Absolutely. 

772
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,720
Kind of like a negative money 
place. 

773
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,400
And we met them at the National 
Literary Trust Gala that we 

774
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:52,560
were. 
That's a mouthful, isn't it? 

775
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,840
Yeah, that is that we were 
invited to because that's 4 

776
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,800
takes before this. 
We had to stop because you're. 

777
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,000
Gonna be saying Natural History 
Museum, National Literary Trust.

778
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,240
We met them at the at the gala 
and it was Mr we met Mr 

779
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:09,800
Hallahan, we met the Geordie 
teacher and a bunch of loads and

780
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,120
loads of people are there. 
And but those two I've 

781
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,520
personally followed for a long 
time and they're just really 

782
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,400
positive, Yeah, really positive 
outlook on the job. 

783
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,160
And it's really nice to see. 
And it is unfortunate that, you 

784
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,320
know, no go turbotry is seen as 
booming. 

785
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,760
Honest, honestly, I do think 
there's a there's a scope here 

786
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,760
just to grow up a bit, you know,
in what way, in the way of that.

787
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,200
If you just see someone 
complaining about something, No,

788
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,360
it's realism. 
It's being realistic. 

789
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,120
If something's broken, we use 
our platform to talk about it so

790
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,800
other people can realise that 
it's not just them experiencing 

791
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:47,960
this. 
Yeah, actually, it's a 

792
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,720
widespread thing. 
They don't usually need to 

793
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,800
internalise whatever it is 
that's awful. 

794
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,920
They need to understand everyone
else is going through it as 

795
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,360
well. 
Not only is that shared 

796
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,040
experience genuinely, in my 
opinion, enough to justify doing

797
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,640
it, but then on top of it you 
can provide solutions on what 

798
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,120
you can do to help. 
Yeah, definitely. 

799
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,800
So I, I think it's, it's 
realism. 

800
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,360
Mr P did a real recently about 
about this thing or people. 

801
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,080
People say, oh, you're moaning 
online, etcetera. 

802
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,040
It's like, well, no, I just use 
my platform to talk about things

803
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,320
I think are important. 
Yeah. 

804
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,080
And when I say grow up, I mean, 
there are some people out there 

805
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,600
who just think this isn't all 
lovely and roses and and smell 

806
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,560
like daisies and fantastic. 
So it's bad. 

807
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,520
You shouldn't be doing this. 
It's bad for the profession. 

808
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,240
I just think they need to grow 
up a bit. 

809
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,440
Right, OK, They think that we 
should glaze the profession. 

810
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,640
We shouldn't talk about the 
negative things because being 

811
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,480
moany and negative is worse than
truth. 

812
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,640
Completely. 
And I was like, it's just 

813
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,240
realistic. 
And you know, Omar, who did the 

814
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,600
episode with unofficial 
teacher's manual, the author, 

815
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:41,200
that book. 
Yeah, yeah. 

816
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,280
He did a comment actually and 
tagged us. 

817
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,080
And his comment was basically 
like to Mr P was saying if 

818
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,360
you're negative, then so am I. 
And so I teach the repeat. 

819
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,440
Yeah, yeah. 
But and then his whole comment 

820
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,960
was about how it's not negative.
It it doesn't. 

821
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,240
Just because something isn't 
nice doesn't mean it's a bad 

822
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,800
thing to talk about. 
I think it can be good to share 

823
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:00,520
those things. 
So. 

824
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,400
So when someone says all 
teachers do is mine online, 

825
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,480
you've been very vocal before of
saying you think that the 

826
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,560
interpretation of the job is 
really important. 

827
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,040
So do you think that we go too 
far? 

828
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,120
I I don't think so. 
I don't think we go too far. 

829
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,560
I think criticism and moaning 
also just get completely banded 

830
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,840
together as if there's no 
difference. 

831
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,240
Like as if we can't critique 
something without just oh, 

832
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,680
negative moaning teachers is 
like, can you just listen to the

833
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,080
critique I just gave and said 
like and just see if you agree 

834
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,000
with him. 
We have a talk about it 

835
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,720
discussion. 
Like it doesn't have to just 

836
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,840
boil down to oh, just moaning 
about nothing. 

837
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,800
Well, actually, there was a 
valid point that I was talking 

838
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,560
about. 
Sometimes we do moan, everyone 

839
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,200
moans and sometimes it's a scale
that moaning might be less 

840
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,480
justified. 
You're just having a bad day and

841
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,160
you moan about something that 
really isn't that bad on your 

842
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,560
day at work or whatever. 
That is good old classic 

843
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,000
moaning. 
But most of the time though, 

844
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,640
it's not that. 
And the only thing I'd say like 

845
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,600
with us that just gets me a 
little bit is just, is purely 

846
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,800
the fact that online when it 
comes to clips and reels and 

847
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,520
things like that, I, I think 
because the, the critiquing 

848
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,160
negative Emoni ones, whatever 
you want to call it, generally 

849
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,240
do better and go more viral and 
people listen to them longer. 

850
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,400
I worry that people get the 
interpretation that we have 

851
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,120
nothing positive to say because 
they're not the people that 

852
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,440
aren't. 
If you're consuming our long 

853
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,840
form podcast, I think I like to 
think that we're quite fair and 

854
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,480
we have we talk about a lot of 
positive things, but I do worry 

855
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,560
sometimes it panics me that 
people are just does it panic 

856
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,240
you not not panic. 
I just, well, it does it in a 

857
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,800
way because I because I care 
about what the way I come 

858
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,040
across. 
That's my point. 

859
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,800
You seem to care more about that
representation. 

860
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,440
Yeah, I do care about it. 
I think it's important to me. 

861
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,000
I guess self, just me, 
selfishly. 

862
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,040
So I wouldn't want people to 
form an opinion because they've 

863
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,480
watched seventeen of our reels 
and they just happened to all be

864
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,880
things that they just think 
maybe are just on the scale of 

865
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,960
money, some inconsequential, 
some more consequential. 

866
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, it's hard. 

867
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,960
It's hard on social media 
because it's not a case of it's 

868
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,440
not even a case of if you follow
us, you see every video we post.

869
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,640
Yeah, it's not how it works. 
No, it's just not how it works. 

870
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,800
Like we we can put a video out 
there that will genuinely get 

871
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,680
3000 views, right? 
Got nearly 70,000 followers. 

872
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,080
You'll get like 3000 views. 
We'll put another video out 

873
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,480
there that will get a million. 
Views. 

874
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:57,160
Yeah. 
Mental. 

875
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,320
So it's it's you know, it's 
almost like followers is 

876
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,000
becoming like a vanity metric 
online where actually, you know,

877
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:08,040
it's just what people watch and 
and listen to and go all the way

878
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,560
through about skipping past. 
Yeah, the algorithm learns that 

879
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:11,600
it's something people are 
watching. 

880
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:12,960
It pushes it out there even 
more. 

881
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,480
Exactly. 
So, you know, absolutely 

882
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,800
someone's experience of us 
online could just be our six 

883
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,920
most watched podcast clips, 
which I can probably guarantee 

884
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,360
are. 
I was going this thing in 

885
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,280
education is just completely 
broken. 

886
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,840
I can think of one that we still
get likes for all the time, 2 

887
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,040
rather that we did recently. 
One was about how you have to 

888
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,520
accept you're letting your kids 
down as a teacher because the 

889
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,360
system's broken, and to get 
through it and not be broken by 

890
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,560
the system you just have to 
accept that you personally can't

891
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,560
do enough. 
And the other one was about how 

892
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,280
teaching assistants pay is 
dreadful on paper. 

893
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,640
Right, and this is where I kind 
of disagree with you. 

894
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,480
They are both negative things. 
The the teaching system is 

895
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,880
completely broken. 
You let your kids down all the 

896
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,520
time. 
The pay is disgraceful for 

897
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:55,720
teaching assistants. 
They're exploited. 

898
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,960
They are, they are negative 
things, right? 

899
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,720
I don't care if that's the only 
two things people see from us 

900
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,840
because I put it out there for a
reason, because I want people to

901
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,440
see it. 
So if if they're looking at 

902
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,280
going, oh, these guys are always
bloody negative, that's I don't 

903
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:08,880
see it as a problem. 
I see it as a them problem. 

904
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,440
So I don't care if you think 
that because I think they're two

905
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,199
really important messages to get
across that I thoroughly believe

906
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:16,000
in. 
So it doesn't bother me. 

907
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,840
Like if things are being pushed 
out there, it's because they're,

908
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,400
it's because people want to 
watch it. 

909
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,880
It's because people are 
literally consuming it. 

910
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,639
It only gets pushed out there if
people are taking it in and 

911
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:27,719
reading it. 
And most of the time they're 

912
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,320
completely agreeing with us. 
So if someone, my point here is 

913
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,480
if someone looks at it and goes,
why are you so negative? 

914
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:33,600
I'm like, mate, that's a you 
problem. 

915
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,040
It's not negativity, it's 
realism, and it's what a lot of 

916
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,400
people want to hear. 
OK, so rating then. 

917
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,800
So if I find because of my 
personal reaction to it, which 

918
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,719
is clearly very different to 
yours, I find when people talk 

919
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,679
about all teachers do is moan 
and complain like that really 

920
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:48,000
gets me. 
That's like 800 and 851 like. 

921
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:51,639
Yeah, I'm like, I'm like 7. 
Yeah, really down there. 

922
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:55,239
That didn't bother me, like, 
like because I'm like, yeah, we 

923
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,320
do that. 
What would annoy me is go on to 

924
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,280
be like, if someone said you 
should only talk about positive 

925
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,400
stuff. 
Yeah, 1000. 

926
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,760
I just find it undermines 
everything. 

927
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,360
It's all if someone, when 
someone comes to the conclusion 

928
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,720
that all teachers do is moan and
complain online, it just, it 

929
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:11,640
annoys me so much because it 
because it undermines every 

930
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,120
single valid argument and point 
people are trying to make about 

931
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,960
teachers because it's all just 
banded together now and that's 

932
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,480
just what they think. 
And that annoys me that someone 

933
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,000
comes to that conclusion. 
That's an M problem. 

934
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,400
Though, I know, but it really 
frustrates me that they get to 

935
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:22,840
that conclusion. 
It's not. 

936
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,840
It's not. 
But like, we wouldn't be making 

937
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,600
these videos if we weren't 
trying to change people's minds 

938
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,400
and make a bit of a difference. 
Like so that the idea that 

939
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,560
someone's immediately closed off
to it really pisses me off. 

940
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,200
But I don't think those people 
would be or not because those 

941
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,600
people will see positive and go.
I've seen people before going, 

942
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:37,840
oh finally at last you're not 
bashing SLT. 

943
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,880
It's like at no point was I 
bashing all SLT. 

944
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,160
Like people have these, they 
already formed these. 

945
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,520
You could have the most clear 
video in the world saying people

946
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,800
in leadership who are toxic and 
do this thing are bad people and

947
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,280
there would still be someone who
goes you hate SLT. 

948
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,120
You're a dead brain because it's
not what I said and it's not my 

949
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,360
responsibility. 
I can't be more clear than the 

950
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,320
video I posted. 
If you comment something 

951
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,480
underneath that is just 
literally not what I said in the

952
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,360
video. 
That's just, it's not a me 

953
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,840
problem. 
Yeah, if someone just thinks 

954
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,600
like, oh, it's just so negative 
all the time, you can think 

955
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:11,440
that. 
That's fine. 

956
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,280
It's not my responsibility to 
make you not think that. 

957
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:14,640
Whatever. 
I don't care. 

958
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,400
Still triggers me though. 
Yeah, still trigger me. 

959
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:16,760
That's fine. 
So. 

960
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,520
Here's another one. 
This one's a very good one. 

961
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,160
Get a different job if it's that
bad. 

962
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,720
OK, this triggers me. 
Yeah, District, this is like 

963
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:27,240
874. 
Wow, nearly the 9 hundreds. 

964
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:30,200
No, it triggers me a lot because
I know how much of a problem it 

965
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,080
is that we are haemorrhaging 
teachers like so. 

966
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,520
So when people say why don't you
just leave, it's like a double 

967
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:36,320
whammy. 
Yeah, yeah. 

968
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,840
It's like, firstly, you're an 
idiot if you think you can't 

969
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,040
complain about something without
getting to the point of leaving.

970
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,040
And actually when I was 
teaching, I was complaining 

971
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,200
about it a lot because I wanted 
it to change, because I didn't 

972
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,760
want to leave. 
The the goal of me talking about

973
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,560
it was that I did not end up 
leaving. 

974
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,040
So when someone says why don't 
you just leave, it annoys me 

975
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,960
because I'm like, I know I could
just leave. 

976
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,200
I don't want to. 
That's the point. 

977
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,400
That's why I'm saying it's bad 
and why they can fix things 

978
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,320
because there are very, there 
are lots of redeemable things 

979
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,280
about teaching. 
There's loads of things that 

980
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,160
piss me off about teaching. 
So I'm going to talk about them 

981
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,960
because I want to stay. 
And then the double whammy is 

982
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,880
why don't you just leave? 
Lots of people are and I also 

983
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,920
want to stop them from doing 
that, which is why I'm doing it.

984
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,600
Just why I'm talking about it. 
So it's like it really 

985
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,200
triggered. 
Me there is 1/3 whammy to this, 

986
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,960
which is something you said a 
lot, so I'm surprised you didn't

987
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,360
say it right then. 
Is that so many people to them 

988
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,280
Like they're you saying that 
it's just like they're thinking,

989
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,240
yeah, I want to and I literally 
just can't exactly. 

990
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,160
I can't like not everyone. 
Like it's so silly to just think

991
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,720
that everyone can just up and 
silly, silly. 

992
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,040
I can just up and leave their 
job because I don't like this 

993
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,240
anymore. 
I'm quitting tomorrow. 

994
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:41,560
So come on. 
Like the reality for most normal

995
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,040
working people is you cannot do 
that. 

996
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,360
You're tied into a mortgage or 
rent or somewhere. 

997
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,720
You can't just take some crazy 
financial risk like that. 

998
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:50,520
Some people can. 
That's great. 

999
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,720
Yeah, cool. 
A lot of people can't. 

1000
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:54,680
And you just saying why don't 
you just quit then is really not

1001
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,160
helpful as you. 
Make the answer and the answer 

1002
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,760
because I've got a mortgage 
bills. 

1003
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,600
Yeah, yeah. 
So it's a job between those 

1004
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:00,480
three things. 
I agree. 

1005
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:01,920
By the way, I find this, it's 
really tricky. 

1006
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,840
And why don't you just quit? 
It's just so like for those 

1007
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,720
three reasons, it's just so 
wrong. 

1008
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:10,360
I'm like, come on, Like just 
think about what you're saying a

1009
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,120
bit more. 
Do you want everyone to quit? 

1010
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:13,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
That's always my favourite. 

1011
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,240
Well, I had this, I had this 
argument with my stepdad years 

1012
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:17,960
ago, right. 
Like we, we always debate about 

1013
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,360
running stuff like this and 
you'll never be on my real dad. 

1014
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,120
Yeah, that doesn't end up like 
that. 

1015
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,880
But he was like, Oh yeah, you're
just, I think we're actually 

1016
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:25,920
talking about nurses at the 
time. 

1017
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,400
And then it kind of went on to 
teachers as well. 

1018
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:28,640
Were you a teacher at this 
point? 

1019
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:29,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 
yeah. 

1020
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:30,880
I think it went on to you. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1021
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,040
I think it was around the time 
of like nurse strikes and 

1022
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,080
teachers strikes and public, 
just public service strikes. 

1023
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,680
And it was all up in the air. 
And he's like, oh, do you know 

1024
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:39,600
what? 
If the job's that bad, just go 

1025
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,240
and get another one. 
And it just, I hate that 

1026
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,600
argument so much. 
I'm like, cool, OK, imagine if 

1027
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,240
everyone took your advice. 
Imagine if they all just did 

1028
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:49,520
that. 
What what the hospital was going

1029
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,400
to run by fairies. 
Like, what do you think is going

1030
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,880
to happen? 
No one's going to educate our 

1031
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,360
kids. 
How about we focus on fixing the

1032
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,320
problems that making everyone 
want to quit rather than just 

1033
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,400
telling them all to go and get 
another job because, you know, 

1034
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,320
that's not a solution. 
It's dumb. 

1035
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,720
It's not a real solution. 
And that's what I said to. 

1036
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,080
Them it's the same thing when 
people say like flippantly, 

1037
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,640
like, you know, when they talk 
about how long the summer 

1038
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,040
holidays are and stuff, well, 
they get loads of time off. 

1039
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,480
Just make them come in for 
another 4 weeks. 

1040
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,040
I was like, OK, let's just 
ignore every reason why. 

1041
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,280
It's just ridiculous what you're
saying. 

1042
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,120
Let's just say that happened. 
Yeah. 

1043
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,400
And we got to the point we were 
like, OK, yeah, four extra 

1044
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,760
weeks. 
OK, one of two things needs to 

1045
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,880
happen. 
You pay the teachers for the 

1046
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,200
extra 4 weeks that they'll be in
work for the extra directed 

1047
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,240
time, right? 
So that won't happen. 

1048
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:32,000
No. 
Right. 

1049
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:34,800
Or it remains the same amount of
pay and you just expect them to 

1050
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,240
work more for some reason, 
Despite that being completely 

1051
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:39,280
ridiculously backwards thought 
that would never apply to any 

1052
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,120
job ever. 
You do more work, please, for 

1053
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,840
the same pay. 
OK, I will leave. 

1054
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,360
And then there'll be a Max 
exodus of teachers and then you 

1055
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,040
won't have enough teachers to 
teach the children. 

1056
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,320
So it's like, OK, which one of 
those situations do you want? 

1057
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:56,280
It costs way more or you don't 
have enough teachers because 

1058
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,800
that's what will happen when you
make that change. 

1059
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,160
And there is people who can't 
think past the end of their nose

1060
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,920
because they're so far up their 
own backside that they just 

1061
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,320
think bloody teachers. 
I could just say this thing 

1062
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,640
because it will make old people 
get really up for it and say 

1063
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,360
they're really bloody lazy. 
And I'm going to put it in the 

1064
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,800
Daily Mail tomorrow. 
I'm going to say lazy teachers 

1065
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,720
when I work for my and it work, 
it'll work. 

1066
00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:19,120
It'll get people saying it, but 
but if you actually just follow 

1067
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,000
through with what would happen, 
it would be. 

1068
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,520
It's a logical thought trend. 
Do you think there's a middle 

1069
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:24,760
ground though? 
Genuinely, based on everything 

1070
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,920
we just said, where people might
think, yeah, just do the one, We

1071
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,520
don't pay them more because like
we've just established, there 

1072
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,200
won't be a mass exodus because 
so many, too many people are 

1073
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,600
just tied into the job. 
They won't be able to leave. 

1074
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,040
They'll just be horribly unhappy
instead. 

1075
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,880
Some somewhere, but it'll push 
some to leave. 

1076
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,680
It'll push some to leave who are
on the edge of doing. 

1077
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:40,560
It'll just say, do you know 
what? 

1078
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,440
It's not worth my yeah, it's not
worth your health. 

1079
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,720
And no, not even if they can. 
They'll just take a pay cut and 

1080
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:46,200
survive, right? 
Because there are some people 

1081
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,840
who can but choose not to. 
Like can is such a loaded word 

1082
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,280
here. 
Like there are some people who 

1083
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,520
will obviously who could just go
and get another job and take 

1084
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,280
even like a 10 to 15 grand pay 
cut. 

1085
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,240
There are some people who could 
do that and have a lower quality

1086
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:00,160
of life. 
I'm not saying it wouldn't 

1087
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,200
affect. 
Yeah, they'd have massive. 

1088
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,720
Sacrifice, I'm not saying yeah, 
I'm not saying it wouldn't 

1089
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:03,840
affect them, but they can do 
that. 

1090
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,240
So it what I'm saying is for a 
lot of those people that would 

1091
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:07,840
just tip them over to be like, 
it's not life anymore. 

1092
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,760
Yeah, I'd rather go and have a 
much less stressful job. 

1093
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,880
It won't have the same quality 
of life, but I won't be as 

1094
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,040
stressed. 
And to me, that's worth the 

1095
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,440
money. 
Yeah, it'll, it'll tip people 

1096
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:15,560
over the edge and. 
They weren't think of that 

1097
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,160
before, but now they are. 
Exactly that it'll tip people 

1098
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,800
over the edge, but it will also 
have a detriment on recruitment.

1099
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,840
It'd become it'd become far less
true, far less job like 

1100
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,120
appeasing job. 
Yeah, we're already struggling. 

1101
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,600
With that's the biggest argument
I think that. 

1102
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,960
Yeah, it'd be both, but it would
just make some people more leave

1103
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,120
who wouldn't? 
Because there will be some 

1104
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,040
people on that line who are 
should I, Should I, Oh my God, I

1105
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,480
will now. 
And they'll just take the hit 

1106
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,160
and then recruitment went and 
then give it four or five years.

1107
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,800
Yeah, nonsense. 
Yeah, yeah, definitely. 

1108
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,280
So that's quite a triggering 1 
then Quite a triggering. 

1109
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,680
One quite triggering and dinged 
go on crack on you. 

1110
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,720
Did one good job, all right. 
Teachers are just brainwashing 

1111
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:50,600
the next generation with 
personal politics. 

1112
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,240
This is actually honestly like 
907 really. 

1113
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:57,040
This really triggers. 
Me into the 9:00. 

1114
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,240
Hundreds. 
It really triggers me. 

1115
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,560
Is it because you are doing that
and you hate being pulled out? 

1116
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,360
You heard it here. 
First, because I want my lefty 

1117
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,800
WOKI beta liberal agenda to be 
out there to the masses. 

1118
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,080
That's why. 
Yeah, like, let me do it. 

1119
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,440
Yeah, it it really triggers me. 
Is it? 

1120
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,800
Is it triggering? 
Because again, like the other 

1121
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,160
ones, they're just so far from 
the truth as to what's happening

1122
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,160
in schools or. 
It, yeah. 

1123
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:22,120
Is that a bit really There's 
there's like there's so many, 

1124
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,280
there's so many reasons why it 
triggers me, which why 

1125
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,800
amalgamates, that's one of them.
Yeah. 

1126
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:31,520
I think that you see the odd 
article in GB News Online of 

1127
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,640
something that is genuinely bad,
right? 

1128
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:38,360
That is genuinely maybe the 
example of a teacher going too 

1129
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,720
far of the personal beliefs with
the class and I would say that's

1130
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:43,240
bad practise. 
You should do it where? 

1131
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:44,800
No matter where my politics 
lies. 

1132
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,440
Of course, which? 
Obviously happens in every job 

1133
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:47,920
ever. 
By the way, just to clarify, 

1134
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,160
teachers, I'm perfect, right? 
That's my point I was going to 

1135
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,840
make is this is you. 
You see that? 

1136
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,280
And the thing that triggers me 
is when people go say our kids 

1137
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,520
are bloody ruined in this next 
generation. 

1138
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:04,360
Yeah mate, I have taught for 10 
years and it does not happen 

1139
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:05,720
where? 
I'm not saying it doesn't happen

1140
00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:08,240
at all, but to suggest that 
therefore it's happening 

1141
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:12,680
everywhere is just stupid 
because you've seen one thing 

1142
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,720
and what it is, is you want to 
believe that this is happening 

1143
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:18,280
everywhere. 
So you see one example, you see,

1144
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:19,880
see that's happening everywhere.
It's ridiculous. 

1145
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,920
It's not. 
It is not. 

1146
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:24,040
This kind of indoctrination is 
not happening everywhere. 

1147
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:25,440
That's one reason why it annoys 
me. 

1148
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:30,000
Another reason I'll throw this 
back to you is the definition of

1149
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,640
indoctrination for some other 
people will just be ridiculous 

1150
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,600
and it's not indoctrination. 
For example, there'll be some 

1151
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,920
people if they walked into a 
school and they saw some kind of

1152
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,160
poster or something on the wall 
which was about welcoming 

1153
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,400
everyone, everyone's welcome 
here. 

1154
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:55,120
Or even something as specific as
we don't stand for anti racism, 

1155
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,880
right? 
There are some people who look 

1156
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,640
at that and go bloody 
indoctrination shouldn't be in 

1157
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,640
schools. 
And that's the other thing that 

1158
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,760
really, really triggers me. 
It's like you're you're you're a

1159
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,800
you're an idiot. 
Yeah, there's not, there's not 

1160
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,360
there is a big, there was a big 
thing in America recently where 

1161
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,400
it was basically pushing back 
against everyone. 

1162
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,080
Malcolm. 
There was just a post saying 

1163
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,360
everyone welcome and there and 
there was a big, big push back 

1164
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,160
from parents saying it's 
indoctrination. 

1165
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,760
You shouldn't be saying stuff 
like that because their 

1166
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,080
interpretation of that. 
And it was the whole thing with 

1167
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,640
with trans ideology racism. 
Border. 

1168
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,480
Control everything you can think
about because they saw the words

1169
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,480
everyone welcome. 
Which is just a nice thing to 

1170
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:38,760
have in a school, by the way. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1171
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:39,800
Yeah. 
It's a school. 

1172
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,480
Come in, everyone's welcome. 
We make this. 

1173
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,560
They saw that and they were 
like, oh, that's political. 

1174
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,240
That's brainwashing. 
You shouldn't be teaching kids. 

1175
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,600
You shouldn't be teaching. 
Kids that everyone's welcome. 

1176
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,960
That's mad, isn't it? 
Yeah, that's just got so far 

1177
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,600
down the line of of that's why I
get annoyed division, isn't it? 

1178
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,240
Yeah, that's crazy to me. 
And it do you know what's more 

1179
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:57,200
annoying is the fact that I can.
I understood so quickly why 

1180
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,400
people would think that as well.
I mean, I didn't I I like I'm so

1181
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,440
I'm so attuned to the the 
madness of the world right now 

1182
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,840
that I could immediately think 
of four reasons why a bunch of 

1183
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,200
parents in America, yeah, 
particularly would be looking at

1184
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,680
being. 
That's not true because it got 

1185
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,560
based all the things you just 
said because they don't like the

1186
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,840
trans move and they don't. 
Like think, are you saying 

1187
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,200
paedophiles are welcome? 
No, Yeah, yeah, that's. 

1188
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,640
Legit, but that's in my head. 
I'm like, oh, I reckon they 

1189
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:20,520
think that, yeah. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1190
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:21,720
That's what I. 
Mean I'm like, that's not fair 

1191
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:22,880
enough. 
That's mental. 

1192
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,400
Yeah, they're mental. 
These people are crazy. 

1193
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,520
Yeah, of course everyone in this
school is welcome. 

1194
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,640
Everyone which is all of the 
people here, they're all 

1195
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,520
welcome. 
That's what that means. 

1196
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,000
It means everyone coming into 
this school right now, which, 

1197
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,480
yeah, by definition is the 
people that go to this school. 

1198
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,560
You can think of the worst 
person in the world, right, And 

1199
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,560
apply that and say you should 
see you're you're saying that if

1200
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,520
Hitler was around now, you'd be 
welcoming me. 

1201
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,320
Oh my God, like nonsense. 
Like that's where then I'm like,

1202
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,920
come on, come on. 
It's just, it's just ridiculous.

1203
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,880
The whole, the whole idea, 
because you kind of get into it 

1204
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,000
with indoctrination, 
brainwashing. 

1205
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,960
I've always found that 
fascinating because I'm like, it

1206
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,920
is quite subjective in terms of 
what we define as 

1207
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,880
indoctrination, really. 
In terms of like, I'm sure 

1208
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,640
someone, anyone could justify 
literally anything we ever tell.

1209
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,480
Like the purpose of school is 
indoctrination to an extent, 

1210
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,840
right? 
We're indoctrinating these young

1211
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,240
mammals in into the specific 
culture that we live in and 

1212
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:16,840
speak. 
Language properly without. 

1213
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,840
You speaking English in this 
country, are you? 

1214
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,840
That's indoctrination into that 
language, yeah. 

1215
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,240
Kind of like because we all 
speak English here, like I guess

1216
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:26,400
so if you want to call that 
indoctrination. 

1217
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,560
Oh, doing maths every day on the
timetable, indoctrinating them 

1218
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,000
and thinking maths is what? 
OK. 

1219
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:31,520
And reading is. 
Yeah, reading. 

1220
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,440
Yeah, we also do that. 
Is that indoctrination? 

1221
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,640
Like, Oh yeah, we've prioritised
teaching kids to read. 

1222
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,320
I bet the reading's in English 
as well, isn't it? 

1223
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,320
Well, that's indoctrination. 
I find it a strange concept 

1224
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,200
basically, is what I'm saying. 
Like I think there are levels, 

1225
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:43,120
right. 
Of course there are. 

1226
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,320
I think there are. 
Easy to point out. 

1227
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,800
Definitely when it comes to 
extremities, like it's very easy

1228
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,200
to say that's that's just clear 
cut. 

1229
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,680
We all agree that's. 
But it's indoctrination. 

1230
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,040
Indoctrination. 
If you're saying it's 

1231
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,080
indoctrination to teach English 
every day, I think that's a bit 

1232
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,480
wild. 
I think that's a bit wild as 

1233
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:55,440
well. 
I think that's more extreme on 

1234
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:56,880
the other side I. 
Think it's indoctrination? 

1235
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,080
Being but I think someone might 
say in a way it is because 

1236
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,760
you're teaching kids to think a 
specific way. 

1237
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,520
I don't know. 
Does it fall under that 

1238
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:06,280
category? 
I don't know. 

1239
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,240
Like is teaching just by 
definition indoctrination? 

1240
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:12,080
That's kind of what I'm getting 
at, and I might be genuine, I 

1241
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,320
might be wrong. 
Genuinely, I'm. 

1242
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,960
Going to read it out. 
Indoctrination is the process of

1243
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,320
forcefully or persistently 
teaching a person or group to 

1244
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,840
accept a specific set of 
beliefs, ideologies, or 

1245
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:22,760
doctrines. 
OK. 

1246
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,360
So I think it's more 
specifically like. 

1247
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,400
So academics wouldn't count. 
That's not beliefs or 

1248
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:27,320
ideologies. 
That's fair enough. 

1249
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,440
That's fair enough. 
And I think that's why 

1250
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,880
indoctrination separately, you 
can kind of, I can kind of see 

1251
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,800
why people separate and say you 
shouldn't be indoctrinating 

1252
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,120
anything because what they're 
saying is the role of school is 

1253
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,280
to not go into beliefs or moral 
moralistics. 

1254
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,680
Yeah. 
But I I personally think it's 

1255
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,600
fine to go into the realms of 
morals when it's just a blanket 

1256
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,400
thing. 
Of course it is and and also. 

1257
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,520
But some people say it's not. 
Yeah, and, and, and, but, But if

1258
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,800
you're persistently saying to 
people, right, Case, here's the 

1259
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,080
troubling bit, which goes 
against what we both think, 

1260
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:53,520
right? 
Yeah. 

1261
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,400
But I'm going to play devil's 
advocate a bit here. 

1262
00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:59,400
Some will say that persistently 
saying whatever it is, if it's a

1263
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,040
moral outlook on, like 
persistently if it's a moral 

1264
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,880
outlook on life and like the 
acceptance of absolutely 

1265
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,000
everyone no matter what, if 
you're persistently saying that 

1266
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,920
to the children and teaching 
them that every day, that is 

1267
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:09,800
indoctrination. 
Yeah. 

1268
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,560
In the same way you just talked 
about how reading would be 

1269
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:12,560
indoctrination, but we don't 
care. 

1270
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
We're saying, OK, maybe not, 

1271
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,200
but, but maybe it is 
indoctrination. 

1272
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,400
But maybe what we're saying is 
some indoctrination is OK. 

1273
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:22,560
That's the point I'm trying to 
make. 

1274
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:23,840
I've got one more thing to back 
this up. 

1275
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,840
Right. 
Literally part of the basically 

1276
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,360
every UK school is something to 
do with British culture. 

1277
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,760
Yeah. 
That is inherently based on that

1278
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,760
definition is indoctrination 
completely. 

1279
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,720
But we all obviously think 
that's OK because we live in 

1280
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:35,440
Britain. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1281
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,080
So like no one has a problem 
with teaching British culture in

1282
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,360
in British schools to kids who 
are growing up in British 

1283
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,080
culture. 
Yeah, some, but it is what maybe

1284
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,800
they do. 
But it is indoctrination. 

1285
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,480
Yes, in in the literal sense, in
the same way that what you just 

1286
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:47,960
said about saying everyone. 
And faith schools. 

1287
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,520
Like right faith. 
Schools getting kids to walk in 

1288
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,920
to an assembly and sit down and 
all chant back a reading from 

1289
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,040
the Bible. 
That is indoctrination, and for 

1290
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,480
me that goes above the line. 
I think that's bad, I think 

1291
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,840
that's wrong, and I think that's
bad. 

1292
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,160
Objectively, I don't think we 
should be. 

1293
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,720
Doing no matter what the. 
Faith I don't think we should be

1294
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:04,280
doing no matter what the faith, 
it's nothing to do with the 

1295
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:04,880
faith. 
It's to do with the 

1296
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,960
indoctrination of, of making 
children believe in a God. 

1297
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,320
I don't think that's OK. 
And other people, most people in

1298
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,120
fact, disagree with me on that 
one. 

1299
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,040
So, so that's my whole overall 
point here is it's obviously 

1300
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,200
subjective. 
So indoctrination itself, if 

1301
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,320
someone's saying we've got 
really deep here, if someone's 

1302
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,360
saying you're just 
indoctrinating the kids, the 

1303
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,440
answer really probably should 
be, yeah, we are. 

1304
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,920
Yeah. 
But you know, the act of 

1305
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,360
indoctrination itself isn't 
necessarily a bad thing, but we 

1306
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,360
should be looking at what we're 
doing with indoctrination. 

1307
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,960
But the the the people hear what
I'm saying here and get 

1308
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,440
immediately triggered because 
they have this idea of 

1309
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,120
indoctrination being negative 
all the time. 

1310
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,360
Yeah, yeah, of course. 
Indoctrination is persistently 

1311
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,040
putting across the and, and 
teaching an ideology, A belief, 

1312
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,400
a set of values. 
So if you agree with that 

1313
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,160
ideology, belief, a set of 
values, you obviously don't 

1314
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,280
think that it's a bad thing. 
But if you disagree with them, 

1315
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:51,520
then you obviously think it is a
bad thing. 

1316
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:52,960
And that's where this comes 
from. 

1317
00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:55,800
People will be saying, you know,
I, I personally disagree with 

1318
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,240
that. 
Whether we think that's 

1319
00:49:57,240 --> 00:50:00,000
acceptable or not, they will 
personally disagree with it. 

1320
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:04,560
Do they have the right to in a 
public school, no matter what me

1321
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,000
and you think is acceptable or 
not? 

1322
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:07,680
Do they have a right in a public
school? 

1323
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,040
No matter. 
It doesn't matter if we think 

1324
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,000
they're right or wrong. 
Do they have the right to say 

1325
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,920
you shouldn't be doing that to 
my kids, stick to academics. 

1326
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,320
I think they have the right to 
have an opinion. 

1327
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,080
Of course they do. 
The thing just going back to 

1328
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,240
this to really clear, the thing 
that triggers me about it is 

1329
00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:21,200
when people, and you basically 
just said this, I'm going to say

1330
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,360
it again, is when people decide 
to call it brainwashing when 

1331
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,880
it's something they don't agree 
with and they don't think it's 

1332
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,400
brainwashing when it is 
something they agree with. 

1333
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,040
That's what annoys me because 
it's like they can't even agree 

1334
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,680
that in this idea of 
brainwashing, indoctrination is 

1335
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,360
subjective in the 1st place. 
It's like, oh for God's sake. 

1336
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,400
So, oh, it's brainwashing our 
kids with this political 

1337
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,440
ideology. 
But if I was teaching your 

1338
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,440
political ideology, you wouldn't
call that brainwashing, would 

1339
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,520
you? 
So, yeah, reform recently a 

1340
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,440
reform candidate went into a 
school and did a talk about 

1341
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,840
reform, and obviously all the 
reform people are absolutely 

1342
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:50,480
loving it. 
Yeah, of course. 

1343
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,000
And it was just, it was just 
like, just think for one second 

1344
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,240
about everything you've said 
about schools. 

1345
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:56,840
If you think about the typical 
reform candidate of how it's 

1346
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,440
awful and stuff, you can't, you 
don't get to now not think it's 

1347
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,480
awful. 
You don't, you don't get to now 

1348
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,960
think that's OK because it's 
what you believe in that. 

1349
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,400
That story, I've seen that as 
well, triggered me at 1000 on 

1350
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,160
this scale. 
Yeah, because of the reason we 

1351
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,400
just established. 
That's what annoyed me so much. 

1352
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,240
Indoctrination is OK, but it's 
what I want, yeah. 

1353
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,320
That ohh God I just can't stand 
it. 

1354
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,120
I do think just be really clear,
the teachers are brainwashing 

1355
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:20,480
the next generation of personal 
politics. 

1356
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,000
I think there's a really good 
debate to have here about where 

1357
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,240
the line is in in school. 
You should do it in general 

1358
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:27,840
about politics and certainly 
personal politics. 

1359
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,440
I think that's a reasonable 
opinion and debate to have. 

1360
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:31,680
To talk. 
It's not happening lots. 

1361
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,000
But yeah, that isn't happening 
lots. 

1362
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,800
No, no, no. 
The personal politics thing of 

1363
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,880
someone in the classroom giving 
their personal politics to the 

1364
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,480
class. 
I I agree that's bad. 

1365
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:39,560
And I don't think it happened as
much. 

1366
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,800
The wider point of 
indoctrination is an interesting

1367
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:42,800
one. 
Yeah, because you could have 

1368
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,080
someone walk past, imagine you 
walk into a school and and 

1369
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,360
they're on the way to the hall, 
right, to deliver an assembly 

1370
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,720
and they walk past something on 
the wall and it's about anti 

1371
00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:58,240
racism and and they think, oh 
God, and it's there any need for

1372
00:51:58,240 --> 00:51:59,760
that? 
Like, oh God in that's all. 

1373
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,240
Oh gosh. 
And they go to they go to the 

1374
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:04,200
hall and then they're delivering
a sermon on Christianity. 

1375
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,120
Yeah. 
It's like, OK, you've decided, 

1376
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:12,360
you've decided if you have that 
thought train, you've decided 

1377
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,640
personally which indoctrination 
to you is acceptable or not. 

1378
00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:19,960
And so, so putting it all back, 
you know, should schools not do 

1379
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:21,680
any? 
I know this is this is what I've

1380
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,480
I've never got to a conclusion 
of this argument. 

1381
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,600
I felt like we've even off the 
podcast had this conversation. 

1382
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,120
I don't know what the solution 
is. 

1383
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,000
I just know the only thing we 
shouldn't be doing is completely

1384
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,280
ignoring the fact that the 
hypocrisy. 

1385
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,320
That's it, that's it. 
We should just stop. 

1386
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:39,680
Let's we should try. 
We should aim to be as like the 

1387
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,200
least hypocritical we possibly 
can be when we're talking about 

1388
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:43,360
that. 
That for me is the first step. 

1389
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,520
And we're not even there in 
terms of like, will we ever be 

1390
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,080
able to draw a line? 
Probably not, no. 

1391
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:49,760
Basically, like the world is 
constantly changing. 

1392
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,360
Culture is constantly changing, 
Opinions constantly change. 

1393
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,800
And this is all about the 
subjectivity of culture and 

1394
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,400
opinion. 
So it's an impossible task. 

1395
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,280
But that example you gave 
happens if people walk in 

1396
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,040
through, I don't agree with that
indoctrination. 

1397
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,560
Here's my indoctrination. 
It's like, for Christ's sake, 

1398
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,160
like at least accept that that 
is hypocrisy and then we can 

1399
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,320
maybe talk. 
Imagine like there's a racist 

1400
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,120
incident on the playground and 
it goes to the teacher and they 

1401
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,440
go, sorry, can't get involved in
this belief system of whether 

1402
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,480
this is good or bad. 
No, it's bad. 

1403
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:17,560
Yeah, it's bad. 
It's bad. 

1404
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,720
So we can say it's bad. 
Like there has to be like 

1405
00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:21,520
there's some obviously some 
stuff that's just true. 

1406
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,360
True. 
So, so like, should schools do 

1407
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,280
beliefs and system and and 
morality? 

1408
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,600
Of course they should. 
Of course they should. 

1409
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,080
Yeah, But it's tricky where the 
line is. 

1410
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,720
Yeah, hard. 
And you're interested. 

1411
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,560
So yeah, this, this imaginary 
person we made-up. 

1412
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,160
Yeah. 
Put them to rights, haven't we? 

1413
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,520
Definitely. 
It's probably a business studies

1414
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,800
teacher. 
I've made enemies there. 

1415
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,160
Yeah, you have? 
No, I just, I just. 

1416
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:48,720
It was the only time where I was
like, you have to have had some 

1417
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:49,680
experience. 
Yeah. 

1418
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,240
You have to have had some 
experience doing it in order to 

1419
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:56,320
teach it well, I think. 
Yeah, and I agree for every 

1420
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,880
single subject equally. 
That's it. 

1421
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,040
It's just weird that business 
studies gets picked out that's. 

1422
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,600
What I'm saying? 
We have to agree to disagree, 

1423
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:04,760
right? 
No. 

1424
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:06,920
Yes, maybe. 
I don't know. 

1425
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,240
Can you repeat the question? 
Yeah, absolutely not guys. 

1426
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:10,360
We'll see you next time. 
Thank you so much. 

1427
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,520
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1428
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:13,840
Back and check out Q&A this 
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1429
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,760
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It's it's a funny 1. 

1430
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:16,400
Bye. 
See ya.