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who's buying the book, Hello everyone and welcome back to
another episode of teach sleep. Repeat, this is episode 5.
My name is Dylan and my name is Hayden.
And we are back again with another one.
It's been a busy week this week. There's another teacher strike
going on as we record this. It's happening today for you or
be obviously in the past. But what I wanted to do Hayden
was just ask you how's your week been?
May have not really been catching up you much now.
Not seen you have. I I've had a funny week
actually. I have Thought something for the
first time is now, it's not often.
Is it in our career? Now, this far in that we
actually teach something that's brand-new, we've kind of done
it. All right, I've been teaching
yoga, I'll just preface this with when I introduced it to
this group of kids, who like, you know what, we gonna do, what
we do in a PA, what we doing, what we do and I said yoga and
they're like one of them looked me up and down right and went,
oh honestly, as it'll be like, I'm not sure you can stretch
knit. And she said no offense, but
they have to be a little bit more flexible for that.
And I was like, you cheeky, The but inside thinking okay I am
actually not flexible whatsoever.
So I've been teaching video, do funnily, enough, my children as
well. I've told them that we'll be
doing dancing in PE and had a very similar experience actually
of them just thinking, okay, I don't think that you'll be
teaching me how to dance. Yeah, I've had that.
You know what? I've enjoyed it though, there's
like way more than I thought I would.
I was a little bit like, oh my God.
Just get through this. This unit never taught yoga.
It's been really good. The kids are actually loving it.
It's all about relaxation, obviously, and stretching.
And I was thinking, oh, they're all going to just below.
Oh oh oh well let's just play some sport.
You know, they love it. They're stretching their diet
breathing properly, I'm thinking they're going to laugh.
They're not have been really well-behaved, it's actually
quite enjoyable. I think a lot of people actually
with yoga. It's a really interesting one
because when they do it adults included.
There's a lot of Skeptics but afterwards, nearly everyone.
I've seen tried actually. I said, wait a minute.
Yeah, it's good. Just to slow down and let your
body and control your breathing like it.
But it does feel better to do this.
Yeah, this relaxation thing is relaxing night, either.
I thought it would do that. I don't have a fun experience
that one of the children. I don't know.
It was, but it was just funny because it was silent.
Whole, we're doing a frog pose, which is where I literally look
like a frog pose. It is, that is it simple as
that. Exactly.
What you imagined legs, kind of a part like knees out, you know,
like a frog and you just kind of crouched down and you do some
breathing crouched down, you can imagine what happened.
You're compressing, your stomach just had a nice prop Trump
through the hall as we did that. That was that was quite amusing
to try to ignore that. I could, you know, you just
pretend that. Oh, no.
Didn't hear that. All the kids are like Just as
you're trying to calm everyone down.
It's on, let's one frame. Yeah.
Luckily they were calm enough to just get over it pretty quickly.
Anyway, what have you been up to?
Well, it's been assessment week for us.
Obviously down in lower school. Yes, 3, 4 and 5 and our school
be doing assessments, just to see how they're getting on
halfway through the year and assessment week always throws
up. Some absolute Corker has I
absolutely love marking their test.
I really do. Sometimes you think I've got to
get through all of these papers and they'd pilot really quickly.
You do a Maps everything meticulously.
English reading, then the next day you got another reasoning
paper and you've got GPS, it just adds up and adds up,
actually, I relish it because some of the answers are just
unbelievable, and they've really thrown up some comedy.
This this year, we had one question in maths and it was a
reasoning question. So one of the characters in the
test because you have the same characters, no, shiv and Dev,
they're always in there in the SATs we know it's Chen.
Good old channel is turns up but in our papers, one of them had
said, if I count from 0 to 400, And 21.
So if I can Zero from zero in my 4-times tables counting up in
fours, will I reach 421? Yes or no.
And I'd lots of answers brilliant.
None of them. Right.
But lots of very interesting answers because we've been
really focusing on like the procedure getting them really
solid actually doing the maths. And we've done some reason
obviously, but just they're a little bit sketchy.
But they really try so hard and the answers they were genuine
but they really made me laugh and one child.
Again, we were talking about being quick and a test of how
pace is quite important. Because if you get stuck on a
question, you can't really waste all your time on it because you
might have a question you can do later on which means you won't
get there in the end. So we train them to just think.
Okay. If you're not sure just going to
the next one. Come back to it later.
Yeah. Anyway, this child's answer.
A bit of fear into me that he'd been sat there for ten minutes.
Because he said, no, because I counted from zero and I didn't
get to 421 lat. Just wait about time.
I thought you were going to say. No.
Because the time. Table doesn't go that high.
That sounds like a nice. I had I had one that said yes.
And their answer was simply yes because and in this in these
questions you don't get a mark just for saying yes or no.
They're really just test your explanation.
Your reasoning one of them said yes because numbers go on
forever. Hello really.
Trying to catch you out there when they thinking maybe he'll
believe that you're allowed to take that one, that's a good
reason. Yeah, they do go on and and
another one that really cracked me up there was this specific
question basically, because it made me realize perhaps that's
something we can work on in the future.
Because one of the children said and I Never ever mastered these
words in my life, but it was really cute because I can see
where they've got it from. They went.
Yep. 421, is because any number with a foreign is in the four
times. They just, they Tryin, they know
that you need, those kind of answers.
They just they don't the Logics not there behind them.
Yeah, they might have got it from the five times table.
Now, it's five euros, or, you know, it two times table has to
be an even number. And I thought I was really
actually, you know, I wasn't at all annoyed obviously.
And I just think that's a really good use of assessment actually.
Really. Yeah, and when you get there
moments of, wait a minute, nearly everyone was kind of
falling down and this question type and that's where
assessments can be so useful because sometimes it can feel
like you're hitting your head against the wall, like, why are
we bothering with this assessment?
I'd rather be teaching them. I'd rather be actually teaching
these children, these things, but they do have their uses and,
you know, Gap analysis and seeing where the children,
actually course, the questions. Where you think I kind of
expected most of them to be getting there.
Well, now, I could do that in my starters, and we can really
focus on that. So, yeah, I've had assessment
week, it's been enjoyable for me.
Me to see how the children are getting on.
I'm not sure the three children by the way, in my class who all
had birthdays this week, who all spent it doing assessment, liked
it that much? That's rubbish.
That's that sucks. I am you just think about
assessment? Just reminded me of just might
were really quick story. Just my favorite.
Little thing is a spelling test it was years ago but it's just
stuck in my head and the Word was giraffe.
And you know, this story is. I know there's a way it's about,
right? Because I showed about 5,000
times because it made me laugh so much the best spelling of
giraffe ever. And I want you to listen is just
to think, what would be, how could you spell giraffe in a
funny way that still says giraffe and it's the most
simplistic way for letters long. Okay draft2digital.
It was the best feeling I've ever seen her word and I just
think that person should be like a dictionary, but yeah.
I think that's brilliant because they are absolutely just using
the sounds. Yeah, trough.
So let's graph and say, yeah, it's like not even the, I just
love. They didn't get their GI because
we don't really pronounce it. Do we properly, but nobody don't
often say G RAF. Like we just get, it's a really
crappy. It's not really common with
spelling actually, and it's the Ed ending because that Ed
ending, quite often makes a t sound, mmm.
So what we see a lot of in our writing is, I'll say jumped, and
you can tell the children of That they're going.
Okay okay. How can I write spell this word?
Me? Stand out jump dude.
Mmm and they just see on the end and you have to look at and go
well you know there's some logic there at least you don't put a
why for no reason. And then as in, you know, in the
English language we thought I know let's make some of them
actually have a tea and then you get words like burnt.
I know they have this lithium has more logic behind it.
We can explain why there's burned and burnt but for the
kids they just like what some of them have tea.
I thought it was a. He always Edie.
How's it cracks me up reminds me of that video we made Hayden of
the ough ending yeah. How many different ways there
are saying it crazy. How on Earth do people with a
foreign language learned? This English language, I do not
get it. Is that it's a tough that sound?
Yeah. Sometimes would you mean while
this through actually understand this.
Do this do oh yeah it's just five this five or six isn't the
company was found six, different sounds for the ough spelling.
One more thing that happened this week which I knew you'd
find quite funny because of the visual comparisons.
But I had to kind of observation, it wasn't a proper
preservation, but we had like a visit to come around our school
head. Teacher took them around.
She helps with, I like school, Improvement plan and stuff came
into my lesson for about 20 minutes, which was nice.
But I was bit, you know, you always on edge only, when
someone's just sat there like, watching clearly judging you.
Anyway, I'm thinking right, let's make this.
Let's make this really good. The kids are come to the from.
We were doing some whiteboard work on the, on the board and
one of the children just called me Voldemort and, you know, it
is like, there's a little in Which is like a little in joke
with me in the kids. We'd be messing around the day
before. I was calling a Hedwig And she
was called me Voldemort because she I'll tell you to be
offended. She was like, you look like
Voldemort because you're bold and I was like, hey, you know,
hey that's mean and I started calling her Harry Potter names,
and we're just having a joke being out of context.
I was like, I don't want the head teacher, just to think that
these kids are just rinsing me, couldn't be the older more
inappropriate. Yeah, I know and I was like, oh
it just made me feel so awkward but I knew it'd make you laugh
because of Voldemort that is hilarious.
And that's that's true though because like It sometimes, you
know, it that's happened to me before, right?
Where I've told the children for example, my first name because I
because I just don't care. Because, yeah, by the way guys,
I'm a human being with a name. I'm not just Mr. Price, who
lives in his cupboard? When you go home, like I don't
just come out in the morning. I'm a human being.
So I often tell them stuff by personal life, like that's
relevant or, you know, they tell me something that happened at
home. I say something I did that
weekend, I went to see my parents and they've got a dog,
and we went out for whatever. And so I tell them my name and
Then obviously, you tell some children the name of their
teacher, especially the teacher before thought that was
inappropriate for every reason or didn't choose chose not to
make that a thing, they're really excited by it and it's
quite clear. Let you tell me your age like
you're 29. I'm like, yeah, I know if that's
if that's made you happy then that's the easiest thing.
In the world. Believe me, I'll sort of my age.
I believe it. Nobody's it, the parents, don't
believe you ever met and then also.
So I tell them my name is Dylan. And I remember very vividly in
another school. There was this teacher, who's a
bit more old school, absolutely loved her.
Brilliant. But she's a bit more old school
where that would be completely inappropriate for the children
to ever know or call you by their name disrespectful.
Just not right. And I remember because I was
having a chat with her and one of my children won't pass and
the child went. Hey Dylan, are you do it like
that? So I'm prepared to reply, I'm
just go. Oh careful what you like.
I just laugh it off because of the context right there.
You can text that I've told them it and I made a joke and that's
that's fine to me and this teacher just lost it.
She's like how Dare you disrespect your teachers
announcer. Whoa!
Stop. Stop it.
Because I'm there, like God, I'm the reason this child's getting
told off now. Have I pushed the line by
telling the money, I don't think so and that kind of that is
exactly what's happened there. Isn't it with your little joke
and the head coming? It's like, oh this is fine.
But why? Now, why have you done that
right now? Can we just and then you feel
like, I shouldn't be hiding it anyway, it doesn't really
matter. So it's all that context, right?
Yeah, exactly. That.
And it's our decision personal decision, I had chose to have
that joke with that child. I chose to not get annoyed when
they compare Peter. All the more because they were
trying to be funny. They want to insult me.
They were trying to her laughs. Yeah.
It's all about the context and I'm leaking onto that is funnily
enough. Actually, it's kind of linked.
I suppose one of my children this week, I really gone with
him. I really got on with him and my
children. They were just, you know, when
they just get a bit too loud and they just carry on a little bit
too much. Sometimes you just have to
remind them and you just have to bring them back down and to say
very calmly and you know, use that whole guys, you know, you
let me down. A little bit because actually, I
don't mind if you're having a chat about this, or that if
you're getting the work done in this context, and you're talking
about the work, but you just kind of little bit too far,
guys. I think, sometimes you just
chatting about something different, something else to do
the lesson and it's not really the time for that, and you just
try and level with them in that way.
And if that works, 95% of the time, never have to raise your
voice or actually get annoyed at them.
They kind of do reason with that.
And, and one of my boys came up to me and he said Mr. Price, I
was like, yes, yes. No, you just said about,
obviously we weren't really our best behavior, so afternoon, I
was like, yeah, well, I was just thinking what I'm going to do
because of that. After school, I'm going to go to
the shop and the corner, and I'm going to get you something.
I know, I know not all listen. We all have these time sometimes
and I just wanted to remind you what the expectations are and
that's why I know just next time we're just going to try and
focus our work a bit more you know it's just a whole class
thing. You'd have to get me anything at
all and you kind of put his finger like this and then and
then another listen, I'm the boss around here and I do don't
take no for an answer. Oh no, I love it when they
repeat phrases. Yeah, they just hear that from
somewhere. And I was okay, but listen to
me, I don't need to do anything for me like that.
I just want next time. As a class, we're going to
really focus on our work and as I, okay, okay.
And anyway, so the end of the day, he's walking off and he's
with me to start with, obviously waiting for parents to pick up
and he just looked at me Rose. But you know, I'm going just
like, no, don't don't do this. I so and then he walked off, so
he's trying to play it cool. Like, yeah, I'm the boss.
Stuff. His parent arrived and he walked
off in his object, there's mom. And I saw, ya cut short off.
You go and he walked off and he's dead sweet.
You always waves at me as he goes as well.
Really, really sweet boy. Just wants to be nice and in
some ways by mr. Price by and he's walking off he
goes by see you later. Bye.
Love you. I just yeah paused and we looked
at each other died. He was just like he went red as
a beet root cause you just used to say that's his mum and he was
just like and I just pointed to and I went all go so that shop
now. I won't tell your mates that
actually has happened to me a couple of times and my favorite
one, it was like a double, it was so funny.
There's this boy, equals sort of thing.
Had a nice relationship with this kid, right?
Really, really nice and his whole family's Gonna Save you
and he was India six at the time.
Two years ago now, and he was leaving the room.
He was the last one out of the room, so he's lucky.
No one else was around. I didn't laugh at him and he and
he caught first. All he called me, mum, Mom, mom,
mom mom and then he did that thing from Agents immediately.
You've got Junk cause you're like, oh god, I've said the
wrong thing and that's terribly embarrassing.
He was embarrassed and then a bit flustered and then as he was
leaving the door, he kind of clothes he went right?
Okay love you. Oh and he got it again.
It's called my mom and said love you and he just he just left in
like red face and just left and just breathe in silence.
It was done in. If I kind of Ages just knowing
that for him, that's like he's gonna think about that all day
now. Like, I can't believe.
Levi called my male teacher mum, unbelievable?
So, before we move on, going back to assessment week, what
I'm going to do Hayden because obviously we set up the
Instagram this week, right? And it's actually been pretty
awesome. We've got a whole bunch of
followers. Some of our friends obviously
some people we know some of you guys.
I don't actually know where you've come from.
So higher, high open listing and we don't know who you are.
Thank you so much for paying attention and following on
Instagram because what I'm going to do Hayden, I'm going to post
a couple of funny Answers on our Instagram.
So if you want to go and take a look and my absolute favorite
one, it'll be the last one obviously, because, you know,
you need to play the Instagram algorithm, right?
You need to get swiping. I've heard that's what you do.
So the last picture I'll put on the roulette wheel will be one
from your girlfriend Hayden. Yeah, it is honest to God.
My one of my favorite ever. Do you see them online?
Sometimes you're like, oh God, that's unbelievable.
That would never happen to me. That's that's crazy.
And we see our own ones that are quite funny and maybe a bit
silly. The one that your girlfriend has
I'm not going to give any spoilers.
Maybe Hayden you can just say one word at the end which are
might give a people over him and it's my favorite answer ever go
and see on our Instagram, teach sleep, repeat podcast.
I want you to go onto that and and take a look.
Hey Dan, what's the what's the one word him?
I wasn't no, I'll just put my get way too much.
I'm gonna go for the less. Okay, we're less intimately.
I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna say Pentagon.
Okay, pretty, I was hoping to go for that one.
As soon as I said, one word I was like, oh, don't give it away
because it comes down to a This understanding, let's say it's
really worth seeing. So guys, check this out and hate
it. I think it's time for us to
actually move on. This week, we wanted to take a
look at something that really really bugs us as teachers and
that is toxic SLT. And before we go into any
detail, a really want to make it clear.
Both of us do that the schools we currently work at.
Absolutely. Do not think this about our
current managers are leaders. One bit, this is not at all.
The talking about we're talking about where we here in the
community of teachers, horror stories of management just going
AWOL Are going absolutely off the rails and just bring him
rules. Bring an expectations which are
just completely unreasonable and makes you think, what on Earth
are you thinking, where do you get off?
But there was one thing that came up this week, Caden, that
really riled me up and it kind of links to completely
incompetent, useless leaders. And that is something from the
release of Matt, Hancock's, WhatsApp messages.
Have you seen anything about arkady?
I saw you put this on our Instagram, but I was meant to
ask you. I've genuinely have noticed.
Trending. I don't know what it is though.
If you could fill me in, that would be great.
Okay, that's good. Because I can tell you what
happened, then maybe we can have a discussion from there, but
your your original thoughts. So essentially Matt Hancock, you
know, the guy who wanted a separate, you know, that guy.
Yea though, the guy who was at the health secretary during the
pandemic. Yeah.
You know, that guy here, fumbling be food.
Yeah. Yeah.
It was an end and they didn't follow them himself.
That's that guy. Yeah.
It's hot guy. Hot guy, but he was a bit.
He was a bit nice on. I'm so there but everything he's
got He said sorry what? So basically Matt Hancock very
recently try to kind of steal a jump because at the minute
there's a big covid inquiry going on.
It don't know how long it's going to take its dragging their
feet. Obviously, there's going to be
loads of things that happened during the covid pandemic that
were wrong incorrect. They made bad decisions.
But there is a genuine, I think understanding even from me, the
most vehemently against the conservative party that I do.
I understand that it was happening in real time.
We've not had anything like this before, they had to make quick
decisions. And actually, I kind of there
are certain things that they did, which I think well, you
know, they try to act quick them and maybe it was the wrong thing
to do, even down to some of the contracts that they ordered.
They ordered loads and loads of something, maybe it didn't come
through, there was some sort talk about it, being giving
loads of money to their friends and stuff, but I do think
sometimes they were just trying to secure huge amounts of PPP as
soon as possible and it kind of just went wrong another time.
So we're just trying to secure her Amounts of money for their
friends. So it is 50/50.
This is the problem, this is the problem.
Then this is the, I guess the point I'm making is that yes,
there were that, but how on Earth can you look past the
other things which were just outright outrageous?
I can't think of a different way to say absolutely idiotic.
Absolutely idiotic decisions. And and the thing that's really
interesting is what's happened, is Matt Hancock.
Like I was saying he would least a book recently, the covid
Diaries really soon. Soon.
Realistically, if you think about it, after what happened?
Very raw, lots of families died, and had people who died in their
due to covid. And due to direct decisions.
That the government made, let's be realistic.
And there's this, he tried to steal a March.
Basically, he tried to release his own story before the inquiry
came out before. Anyone could say anything,
obviously to try and frame it to make him look better, right?
Of course, she's going to say something to frame it in a way
where he's like, I was a bubbling buffoon who got
everything wrong. But what he did was he hired he
Active a reporter. A journalist called Isobel
oakeshott. I believe her name is and she is
one of those GB news types, talk to EV very much anti lock down,
but quite a prominent figure on the right of politics in
England. And for all intensive purposes
knows how to put an article together.
Let's say knows how to put a good piece of writing together
to that's engaging gets clicks and things like that he worked
with her on this book. She was basically his
Ghostwriter because obviously, he's not an author.
He's not a very good selfish actually, never mind an author
as well. Well, and she had signed a
nondisclosure agreement to not to release any of these WhatsApp
messages because he decided to give them to her.
As if to say look, here's everything that happened.
Here are all my WhatsApp messages, why?
I think it was let me get this, right?
It's over 100,000 messages. And there's over two million
words, right? That he literally handed over to
her. As, if to say look, this is
everything that happened. Let's write a diary about what
went on and essentially, it turns out that the whole of
government during this time went on to Zap, I think what's apps
this place, where actually, we were having things, decided
about our freedoms and our liberties, and our on our rules,
and our children, and our schools, just via WhatsApp in.
You know, it's if I send means on WhatsApp.
How on Earth is political stuff going on and WhatsApp?
And essentially what's happened is, she released them to the
telegraph. So she ignored the NDA and her
point is well, it's for the public good.
This is a woman who was anti lock down right, completely anti
lock down who the health secretary, who imposed lockdowns
Chose to help write his book defending him.
And now he's shocked that she's turned around and release these
messages and it's just filled. And the telegraph of said, look,
there's about 50 stories in here and they started to release them
like one by one. Obviously, it's a great scoop
for them, but the big thing bringing this back down 360
Hayden, the reason it's relevant to us.
Is that the time obviously, the education sector was Kevin
Williamson, Gavin Williamson. By the way, the guy who recently
got sacked from his role, for being a bully, the guy who got
Competitor post and has a government job somehow despite
being continuously incompetent. Oh yeah, I got a guy who can
completely messed up? The algorithms for predicted
grades and messed up all the A Levels as you like it.
Oh yeah. I like him.
My favorites are my favorite
part about him and this whole mess was when they sent us back
to school in January 2021, for one day.
Yeah, you know, Boris Johnson went on.
Tell you that weekend and said schools are perfectly placed.
A safe place to kind of say my words.
I'm so angry schools are perfectly safe, places for
children. Should be, there's nobody Don't
you fret? And we went back for one day and
then he said they're closed for six weeks because they could be
Vector the bus. Oh yeah.
So Gavin Williams. I got ya.
I got ya him, really, really sound Giza.
Him and Hancock. Obviously going to back to back
and forth because Hancock's, the health secretary, but instance,
the education secretary. And it essentially in the in
these leaked messages, they're just rinsing teachers.
They're rinsed in any you and Willie Nelson's point was, Matt
Hancock said, great cracking, cracking news conference today
to Williamson who announced New thing, the those teaching unions
really are. And then use the five letter
word, beginning with a to describe the teaching unions to
which government him. Some reply guy.
Yeah they are. They really really really just
don't like work basically just just completely going in and the
fact that the classic stereotype of yeah teachers just hate work.
The guy who's in charge of them, by the way, the education
secretary, imagine private messages being there, just
having a pinion that that that's that wrong.
So rooted out of reality, like Do you know any teachers that
does he does? He has he ever seen a teacher or
what their workload? Well they do.
Like we talked about last time, it's just absurd to me to think
that any teacher could not want to do work.
I hate that. Absolutely.
And and the point the point is that during this time, by the
way, he was, it was pending open.
Letters to teachers the sacrifices, you've made
unbelievable, you've worked so hard, he had this really
annoying voice as well. And that's not relevant, but it
really annoyed because I had to speak and he's really So hot, it
was very nasally. I still can't even listen to him
here. And now, you know, we know, at
the time, he was lying through his teeth because he didn't come
here to absolutely fake. And then, the other thing that
they spoke about was Hancock, they're having a discussion.
Basically, about Williamson wanted schools to be able to be
provided with PPE. Basically, like Williamson said,
look, we need me to find a way for schools to be able to get
people through the central system for, like, through
government giving PPE. Not because he cared by the way.
Not because he thought, let's protect them on the front line,
whilst everything else is Is closed because and I quote, he
said, yeah, it's a last Last Resort really because they'll
just use it as an excuse not to teach they'll use as an excuse
not to learn if they can't get their have to pee.
That's that's mad. And if we get pde new new.
So Hancock's, Hancock's point was I was trying to get away
from centralized why can't schools get their own, you know,
in the budget. That's huge.
Why can't school just get their own from their own budget and
Williamson was saying look you know he didn't come in like
teachers I'm representing them they're doing right, you know we
need to protect them. No no it was well you know
they're going to want to close otherwise aren't they?
So which might Hancock replied with laughing emojis and an
arrow hitting a bull's-eye as if so yeah you can spot that you've
got that. So totally right, we all agree
of this. And you know what to do?
It's really funny. Go on.
That's really, really, really fun.
It's really funny. All this.
This I'm really, really fine. Yeah, it's funny.
It's funny to tell my voice, how funny, this is, what's really
funny? What's really funny about it?
I'm gonna say again, is that during this whole time, by the
way, in other messages that were leaked, because obviously this
is Matt Hancock's phone. Matt Hancock was going in on
Kevin Williamson saying that he is in on another planet.
Thinking skills should stay open and that schools should actually
close. So he's just pandering.
This is this The government by the way, this these are the
people who are supposed to come into power with ideology, right?
And you know what is really evidence from these WhatsApp
messages is how they were just making decisions on the Fly And
what really, really gets to me is I think in a pandemic, you
cannot blame the government for certain decisions that they have
to make quickly. But what is really, really
evident in these messages is that the government were
completely ignoring scientific advice, the Government were
playing politics throughout, it was true in the Care Homes.
The government were advised that and they said at the time,
asymptomatic transmission is a thing.
And we need to test before we get these people into Care.
Homes Care, Homes were decimated because I did bother and they
say it's because a they didn't know about asymptomatic
transmission, which is a lie. There's messed is, there is
literally recordings of parliament from March 20, 20 of
them talking about asymptomatic transmission, and the second one
is because they say there wasn't enough testing capability at the
time, there was much less Testing, but our we're talking
about priority testing, right? Do you think maybe the care
homes from hospitals to Care Homes?
The most humble people in the whole country?
Probably should have been the number one priority, and the
cherry on the cake Hayden. We didn't have enough tests for
people, going into Care Homes, to protect our most vulnerable.
But at this point, Jacob, Riis morgue had a test.
Specially Courier din for his daughter, who are covid at the
time classic that just shows the classes and that doesn't it on
how much money they made as well out of these contracts because I
always, Just think it's kind of like, you know, the whole world.
All thing we talked about last time and how big huge powerful
organizations groups of people can Will pretend to have some
sort of moral High Ground. When actually, it's just all
about money the whole time. I just, yeah, I just wonder how
much of it like that. You just you've exposed it?
They were of those messages, they don't care.
They don't care. There was no morality there at
all. It was just how much money can
we squeeze out of schools? How much money can we not?
Give them for these things? But, but on the surface will be
like, oh yeah, the sacrifices, we're going to get Ep2 schools
and we're going to close it because we realize it's actually
unsafe after even though we've been saying it for weeks and
weeks, like I hate. Yeah.
Because I actually think I think what happened was Boris went on
television on the Saturday and said, schools are a safe place
to be. Yeah.
And actually funny enough, heydon't.
Everything of every single piece of scientific advice, actually
changed on the Sunday and that's why they had to close the
schools because, you know, obviously the science only
realized in that 48 hour period. That it wasn't that they were
ignoring it up until then, you know, it was, it was definitely,
it was definitely them listening to the science.
They To the science all the way through apart from when they
didn't and it's been horribly exposed and I think and I'm kind
of rubbing my hands together here over the next few weeks.
I think they'll be more and more.
I will say this, though. I think some people might say,
oh he's had his. He said his whatsapp's leaked
and I'd doesn't wash with me because if it was personal, if
it was just you know chats with family.
If it was just his own personal life, I would then feel sorry
for him. I'd be like look, you know, we
all have our personal life, we all have our things.
Going on. That's that is like a different
line. If you're conducting government
work on your WhatsApp, this this and and this is opens Freedom of
Information because of that this is absolutely fine.
Heat, you know what he said to defend himself by the way,
Michael Hancock gone? Yeah, have a guest, have a
guess, what do you think? He might have said when his
literal what's out from his Ghostwriter who clearly has them
has just released them? What do you think?
He said in response? Probably just that they were
person that they were private conversations and they shouldn't
been leaks or something like that?
I don't know. Yeah, that that might have been
like a sensible thing to do, right?
He has tried to They've been doctored and don't show the true
that they're not true like okay. Like our context of important no
context. Yeah, exactly.
Because you know, it's a politician's best friend says no
context when actually. There's just like an irrefutable
statement has been said, yeah. Is it will there be any
contacts? That would make it so good.
Oh, you've given the context now that you hate teachers.
No problem. Education secretary crack on
mate, no problem. Well, I think we should use this
kind of idea of exposing toxicity and move on to our next
section of this Podcast, which is kind of like you've already
described a very quick summary is all about just exposing some
of those really toxic teams out there in the country in the
world, who make their staffs lives hell.
Because actually, they don't do a very good job, they are quite
incompetent, majority of schools, fantastic.
There is LT out there that I just do an amazing job.
Majority people are doing that and we think you're great, but
there are some members of SLT out there including head
teachers who do just not deserve to be in that role because they
are not making lives. Any easier of their staff or
potentially The people's. Yeah, absolutely.
And what's really interesting to me now that we've got a really
good idea of what an incompetent leader, looks like for a strong
storm at Hancock, I'm with some, I think we can go into this.
Now with an idea of actually it's not just schools.
If you I know a lot of people listen to this podcast, we don't
even work in a school, which I found Crazy by the way.
But thank you so much for saying a lot of as Hayden.
Always says, why are you here? But at least a not sure we
doing. Yeah, carry on.
We can all kind of resonate. With that really annoying, boss,
who just is so out of touch. And the first thing I wanted to
say is what really grinds my gears about these people is when
they use their position of power, to literally become a
bully because that is the definition of bullying.
It's an imbalance of power and putting your position in that in
that kind of role as a buff, someone to just intimidate them
and make them think that things are on and Gaslight them.
But one of the biggest things that I've noticed in schools is
When SLT or people in charge just lie, they just light and
get something for and hope. No one will say anything.
You know, I there's one example, one story because obviously
we've asked people for different stories.
We've had loads in. So we're going to kind of just
drawn the all of them rather than have just a feature and
we'll talk discuss them. Just just want one of them was
simply telling a part-time member of Staff.
Who works Monday to Wednesday ofsted came in.
It was Thursday. You'd think that the reaction
might be are offset of coming in.
Would you mind coming in for some overtime?
Will give you a day in lieu will pay you.
You know can you asking them? No no they said you must come
in. It's the rule you have to be in
offset of here. See you tomorrow.
Can you imagine doing that? Yeah, yeah I can imagine people
doing it but it's just completely wrong what you said.
And people will they'll be you know, if that head is quite also
are looking for like, just overbearing perhaps with the way
they talk you might be intimidated and be like, okay,
and just not question it because it's not worth it, they'll make
your life. If you question it and you just
do it, it's just not, right? Is it?
It's just toxic. It's an absolutely toxic
environment where people can say that kind of thing, and they
don't even feel like they can be questioned.
My question is to these people who holds them accountable, you
know, it does schools where they make staffs life, a misery if
something's not quite what they think it should be, they'll
observe them every two weeks, they're in the classroom walking
around telling you should have done this, you should have done
that. Undermining, the people who
actually are with the children every single day actually
delivering the lessons. One who holds them accountable
for giving the feedback what I've had to feed a row before.
Maybe you've had the same Hayden where I fundamentally disagree
with them or they've been wrong. I've been told before how to use
a certain grammatical clause and the way I taught it was wrong
when it was actually correct. These people in, you say to
that, they've got it wrong. Well, I've I mean talking about
toxic management. You just I'm off on one.
Now my head here thinking of memories and how I've worked in
a Skype is a few schools. I've worked in a school before.
Well, I did think the management got really toxic and I left
that's why I left. I didn't like working there
anymore and one of the things they did which is the main
reason I left was that it just they mistreated staff.
Once they want to get rid of them once he didn't fit anymore
you know and it was often it was it was often oldest after I've
been there for a long time. Once you didn't expensive stuff,
expensive stuff at the exactly that.
Yeah, they just their way of getting rid of them was just a
let's just bully them. Let's just reduce them to tears
on a regular basis. What we'll do is we'll go in,
will watch that lessons. The portion Italy so that they
feel like oh why am I being watched all the time and every
single lesson they do will tell them?
It was absolutely terrible and I have to be observed, terrible.
Terrible table doesn't matter they've been teaching 25 years.
That was the worst thing I've ever seen.
Make them cry and then just do it.
Rinse and repeat week after week after week and then they quit
and it worked. But if they don't quit what they
did was because I also worked in the school, they would move the
teacher every single year. So if they manage to get through
here, And I thought okay, you know, I've got three or four
years until retirement. Let's just get through this,
they'll move them. The next year to a different
year group. And then if they got through
that year they'll move them again.
They will just do every single trick in the book to not give
the people, the respect, they deserve these women who have put
their lives into the education system who grown adults would
walk past them in the street stop and be thankful for what
they've given them in the classroom.
No, no, it's okay because the CEO is in.
When did when did schools get CEOs by the way?
Sorry, are we in London? Are we in?
Are we in the city? Doing a financial Trade, what's
the CEO doing? Walking in telling me how to
teach, how many times did the CEO taught and they in the
classroom at all and they're coming.
I actually know because what we said was actually the first five
minutes. We should be doing quite
independent reading. And for the next three minutes,
the children should be doing their books.
You actually were doing it for 4 minutes.
So I'm going to come and reinsert and it's and I've
noticed in your book. There was only seven peer
assessments when I should have been five self-assessments and
three peer assessments. So actually, that's not good
enough. They all that stuff, I
absolutely hate. I'm just saying around going to
rant. Tick box, tick box exercises,
where you get this idea from ofsted of what they want to see.
And you just put it into a checklist and you're like, okay,
everyone's books need to have these things in them.
Every lesson has to have these things in them, but what if my
kids don't know, it doesn't matter.
The pedagogy doesn't matter. It's not about the kids.
It is about taking these boxes that is more important than
actually, you know, bespoke situations where you might go
off on a tangent and teach these children a different way because
you recognize, that's what they need.
They don't need that self-assessment sticker right
now, I remember this. One example is exactly this.
Ray makes you laugh when you worked in this school together
and we had two stickers for marking for everything.
I'd stick a success criteria and it seemed like every time there
was a new staff meeting which ended up at the end being.
Okay. So we're going to have stickers
for this in every lesson. So it would start off with
Landing objective would have its own sticker.
Success criteria would have its own sticker.
So we've wanted to obsess too. Then we had to have a sticker of
orange and green depending on how the children got on.
So we Mark the work and then sticking orange.
If that wasn't wasn't You know, they didn't get the objective
green if we felt like they were secure, so that's 2.
Then the next lesson had to start with the green pen
question, which was on another sticker.
So that's four stickers for one lesson right now then three
times it was it three times a week.
We had to do a peer assessment, which was another sticker.
So, in one lesson so far, by the way, there's twice, as many
stickers as there is work in the book but it's okay because it's
what we have to do because that's what we do, isn't it?
We have to have stickers in the book that's five stickers.
And I'll always remember got to the point where we then had a
staff meeting and it was Involvement and the idea of
involvement you love it. Already the idea of helping
involvement was basically how involved the children.
The lesson is your pitch, correct.
So that it's not too easy that their board but it's not too
difficult that they can't be engaged.
So it's about it was basically a very Posh we're saying pitch.
It was like a really long way of telling experienced staff
members. Your children should be engaged
in the lessons. I thank you, thanks for that.
So what came out of that was to show that we're worried about
involvement, you know, in case the big old came in because
that's the most important thing. Obviously, in every single
lesson we had to put another sticker in and the children at
the end would have to Circle 025 for how involved they felt they
were. So rubbish, wasn't it V?
I thought they were who was observing them at the end?
They had to go. That's over. 550 a diva fives or
zeros, that was it. No one was ever for everyone
because I never pulled up about it.
Remember Trevor, we made that she, we made it, we were so,
Just sick of all this rubbish. We will find out we're trying to
make a point which are which I have a laugh at it.
Ironically got lots of because it did all the right things but
we made this because because they liked it, they liked it, I
remember they saw it. Wow, that's good.
And we were like this is a joke. So like sometimes it's one of
those lessons where you take pictures and stuff.
So we kind of made this nice like we used to just make this
little sheets where you put like a compilation of pictures on
there and sticking a book. It was nice for them.
You know, we will do so because they weren't they wouldn't have
done any work in their book, right?
So the idea was that it should evidencing that we did work.
That was that less, you know, and so on this Sheet.
We put we snipped in all the stickers.
It was all in one and it had the learning objective, the success
criteria. It had the green pen question.
It had the marking for you back at the bottom and then they had
the involvement stick and I'm sure there was something else as
well, there was a box, there was a box for self-assessment.
We put the box, and it just, and there's like one picture because
it was this junk just took up the whole sheet and it was just
to make a point of why are we doing all this rubbish?
Like it just takes so much time and it's unnecessary, and it
doesn't improve learning and You know, surprise surprise.
I'm sure it's all been scrapped by now, because none of it was
remotely rooted in. This is actually good for the
children. It was just what to offset point
of the moment. Let's take that box and and not
on take another box, which we've been doing for ages.
Like, it's that classic thing or another thing and this thing,
and that thing, another thing I'll always remember because
the, the feedback stickers, the orangery feedback stickers
again, Hayden. And I, we just got to put, we
were just we knew we were leaving.
We knew we were going, we don't want be in the school anymore.
And all the feedback stickers would be half like a generic.
Statement, well done, you have managed to divide using short
division, whatever it is and there was always a picture at
the top and it's just like a smiley face or you know, like
something related a nice picture.
So yeah, like a like I dition symbol of adding additional
something that we'd find and waste our time doing when we
plan. So Hayden, I like call.
Well if we've got to do this we're just going to absolutely
take the Mick and we ended up just picking random pictures.
We have like cartoon characters and the absolute peak one and I
hope one day there are some children.
I taught a few years ago, it was They'll be in secondary school
now, maybe even leaving who look back at their old math books,
open up one day, and they'll see a green sticker saying.
Well, done with David Brent so bad, but it's so funny.
Oh man, the guy in a thumbs up, he's like really well done in
this case to go through negative numbers.
Wait it was just a joke, wasn't it?
I enjoy this moment for the whole, the whole cast of The
Pooh. Over a couple of weeks, they all
cast, made it on their little pictures of completely
irrelevant, because the whole thing was relevant, none of the
children even looked at it. Anyway, exactly what enjoyed it.
That was the point. I could have put a picture of
you on there. They would have just really been
looked at it course they do. So I've just got sorry.
Speaking of pictures of you. This is really funny because it
happened yesterday and I totally forgot to tell you.
So oh God I got right there is this it is this for now or
should we say before our stories later?
I'll go and save over the story. Save others.
Okay. Okay, I say for the story.
So guys, this means and Hayden up and down is about engagement
and retention. Okay, this is how we do it
apparently. So yeah, don't tell you guys
listening, obviously, this is how we do it.
We say we're going to do something at the end than the
current listening, so we're gonna do the end.
Okay? Alright, so I'm going to give
you some quick fire. Now, some stories that I got
from people about toxic management.
Okay? So let's just see if you've
experienced this, or what your initial thoughts, are you've not
seen these, okay? Number one, being expected.
To cover wet lunch and break time if it's raining and just
not getting a break, there's the rub.
I have experienced it and I and not a long time to fair, but I
do know of some friends who work at a school where they have to
go and break duty every day. I'm not even joking every day
and they don't get a break, and that's just expected.
And I'm like, okay, that's not and they're like, no, they found
a clause, they found a way around it.
Like there's the amount of hours before lunch is, like, just the
exact amount and they can just not give us a break.
So we're on break Judy every single day, that's crazy.
And there's sometimes, I've heard stories of people on that
shootie, it's like lunch is not directly time.
Not going to direct the time. I think we can get.
I think we should do a whole podcast by the way, on director
time, I recommend affiliate. Yeah, let's move on to the next
one. This one is just unbelievable
being called at 12:00 roughly on a sick day so that they could
check up and see if you can still come in.
What what been called for the next day, it's coming in that no
nothing that day to say, hey how you feeling?
Jack can you come in for the afternoon?
No, can you believe that? That's ludicrous, like and I
just know that that SLT member, which is wouldn't have thought
that through. They wouldn't have thought that
through That's what that's actually objectively terrible
and just it's blinkers. Sick.
They've got a problem. They've got blinkers on the
like, okay, this is the way I can solve it if you come in like
you've called on a sick, leave them alone.
Do not call them. Okay.
Another one gone directed time so this is this is links
director time. We will do a whole one three
meetings a week after school which they have to go to.
It's not a choice, three meetings a week after school for
an hour plus very often meeting scheduled in PPA where misleads
English seeds. We'll come along and and look at
their planning and tell them what to do which takes up the
whole PPA it. I just yeah I just know.
I know that they'll have some comment.
Ready. Do you know if you talk dirty
like you call them out and about it?
No no actually the hours add up and they'll just find some
should be able to add up to you. But I'm like just think for a
second though about your actual teachers as human beings?
Like do you think that you should ignore the fact that they
have to do hours of marking every day for free?
By the way? Because it's never in directed
time but it's not acceptable. Just half of empathy compassion
for these people, but actually, maybe we shouldn't do three
meetings this week because they have got marketing every single
day. And they've got a plan a lesson
to the weekend. Like, I just hate it, I hate it
when they're there, by the book, One Way, the teams they do this,
I said to do this. Yeah, always totally by the book
this way, but there's no leeway the other way though.
You know, I mean there's like, is fine this way.
Yeah, give us much time here whereby.
Yeah, you got to work the exact hours.
The weird. I know what to do, because of,
because of that, our policies and things were really buy the
book when it comes to you doing it for us.
We have want to give anything about that.
Stretch it. Let's not talk about statutory,
shall we? Let's have a think about that.
And the big thing for me is PPA. I detest anyone ever trying to
direct my PBA. That is my time.
I'm entitled to, to get my stuff ready to get ahead.
It doesn't scratch the surface of the jobs.
I've got to do. If anyone ever tried to put a
meeting in my PPA, I would absolutely give them a piece of
my mind Hayden or using PVA, as annexed as an excuse, if you're
like a steak. Haven't you seen?
You're struggling right? You below.
I'm just not getting this stuff down there so I don't need to be
a you've got your peepee a I've not have not been able to plan a
lesson so I don't do it the weekend until he PA as if it is
like this token, small amount of time is enough time to get
literally anything done. I don't know any teacher that
actually. I mean, I'm sure I do but most
teachers I find just use PPA to get marking down a bit earlier
for one day, a week, maybe not go home at 5:30 6:00 p.m. and
potentially plan like one or two lessons.
You're not getting a whole week. I lessons planned.
Every PPA getting your marking that.
It's just it's just ridiculous. It It happen.
Here's a good one because this isn't actually this doesn't have
to present this toxic at all and I wouldn't say anyone who does
this is next to it necessarily being horrible but it does lead
into the culture SLT walking around after school, saying,
just go home. That's such a classic thing, I
know what you mean because I have experienced it from so many
people who I love li who I like I respect.
And I do have a bad word to say about them but they would they
would say that sort of thing and I've probably done it as well.
I'm sure I've done it to people at stop.
I just go home and come on your neck, it go home.
I stupid because that yeah, okay, I'll just go home and do
this work when it's expected. Do I have to get this marked?
Yes. Okay.
Can I not mark it? No.
Okay, so I can't go home then. Can I what you're talking about?
Just go home. Oh, I do it.
We'll do it in the morning. It's kind of the same.
Logic is the whole PPA thing because quite often, people will
get meeting scheduled in their PPA, right?
Maybe they're meeting with parents for some reason or
there's an e HC P to go through this.
Yes, you have to have me. Eating's in school that has to
happen, right? Yeah.
And and you know, if they get scheduling your PPA that's
really annoying and I would absolutely like no, I'm not
doing it with PPA. So cool that has to happen
though. That meeting has to happen so
that, our of my time is being taken up.
So actually, sometimes people might prefer in their PPA, but
the point is, I've still lost an hour.
It's still got to go somewhere. Like, there's no like, oh, I've
got, I've got this, I've got people progress this week, you
know, in our school, we get time.
Booked out from, from this, the timetable to go and do them as
it should be. Some schools.
Do they do at lunchtime? They do APPA.
Is that cool? Well, I know that's Tech that's
technically free time. Sure.
But it's got to happen at some point and actually doesn't
really matter it's PPA or not because it's still an hour less
to go and do your job, which you've got loads to do outside
of it anyway, indirect and direct time, is that the phrase?
I'm going to start coining now and use that because it isn't
it. Like we said, if you're
absolutely right, if you've got a doing it, if that meeting
takes an hour, right? It doesn't matter when you put,
where you put it, it's still an hour extra them than what you're
going to do. And if you're being told you
Have to do it that you're being directed to do it and if it's
not been put in your director time, it's going somewhere that
else like in your PP a or in your after school or something,
it's their direct you to do it simple as that they go, they
breach of contract, you've done more hours and you're paid for
another hour of free work and it does grind your gears, but we'll
do a whole episode lady said about director time because
that's a, that's a big topic. Okay?
Last one, which I find really interesting having worked in a
school that does does this, and I didn't like it.
And I now work in a school that doesn't, and I think it's much
better overall. It's a very simple, one parents
having direct access to emails and having to reply to them,
within 24 hours. Oh, yeah, it's weird because,
yeah, I've been at schools where that is a thing and schools, but
that's not a thing. Sometimes goes for the office,
sometimes it goes, direct to you.
Sometimes it don't go to you at all.
So it's really different. My gut feeling is when I was,
when I was in the position where I was directly, many parents I
didn't mind, but in retrospect, I just, I look at that.
I think that I can't believe I did that because it's, it took
up so much Much time. And when I found that when they
have direct access to you, they asked a lot more stuff and take
up a lot of time with really genuinely unnecessary questions.
Like why is, why are we the why they're learning about this
shape in math today? So I have a, what do I read as a
professional? Do I really have to now spend
some time like typing you the years experience I have about
how the curriculum works like is that is that appropriate?
So I much prefer. Now, having a system where the
parents have request. It's absolutely fine.
I'm happy to talk to about always.
It's all right. Yeah, of course, is they can
talk to end of the day, they can ring through the office.
If it's urgent and I will pick up the phone and I'll talk to
them, or they can email the office and it will get to me,
you don't need this. There's there's systems there
that I think should be in place for every school now.
I think Hayden what you're falling into the Trap of here is
exactly what Kevin Williamson said.
You just trying to avoid work. You just really, really, really
don't like work and so I just as Matt Hancock pulls back, the bow
and arrow to hit the bullseye saying he agrees with him.
Oh God, put the bow down. I'm off time.
Celebra six weeks. Yeah, yeah.
No, but he is working hard, I'm as I've represented the
government, okay? He's trying to show them a
better light. Oh yes, sorry.
He did it to raise awareness for dyslexia, that was it.
And he was going to get the money from he's gonna get the
money from his feet to the dyslexia Charities of which he
actually end up giving 10%. Oh yeah.
That was yeah, he's best friends with Marcus Rushford.
Now I think you know that they're working together and all
these like really Ultra. Do you remember that time where
the government couldn't feed our kids and then a footballer did
instead. Yeah.
Yeah, I do. Yeah, I was interested and they
still tried to take the moral High Ground, eventually it's
coming around his side. Like it was that decision.
Yeah. Actually it is, you know,
morally? We should do this thing that
you're only doing it because you got called out by someone with
more followers than you have as a government.
Okay? So we had, we had, those are
kind of small fry, they'll niggles that we don't like, but
I wanted to go into some horror stories that we've heard now
from SLT. I've got this story, okay, so
I'm going to tell you, I'm going To tell you this, this story,
that is genuinely real and I think it's the worst one.
I've seen in a long time and then I know I asked, you came up
with rather this game, this game for us to play you've got and
you can explain it after. So, I'm going to do this one.
Last one, I'm going to play our game, real honor.
Roll, go on. Okay, so excuse me, this one.
This is real. I want to say it one more time,
guys. You listening at home.
This is a thing that a CEO when I we've heard that word before.
That's right. Schools have CEOs now, CEO and
ahead sent an email to everyone and said this, you ready?
Cool. If you are caught using your
chair, during teaching time, it will be taken off you.
That's not real. That is 100 were descent word
like that. If you are caught caught caught,
not seen caught, you know, like stealing.
It's just as bad as I apparently, if you are caught
using your chair during teaching time, whether that is, I don't
know, isn't that just all day? What you're talking about,
you're caught using your chair and teachers and teaching time
it will be taken off you. Who do they think they are
talking to? I I personally love it.
When adults talk to other members of Staff, like, they're
four years old, and treat them like children, and I love that,
it makes, it makes them feel really good.
And it improves our well-being. I can't believe that like, I
understand a so annoying because it's like, it just goes from
zero to 100 real quick. I know there is a scale here of
if there was a teacher sat on their chair, sat at their desk,
not looking at the children, who all just doing a task out of a
book, of course. That's terrible.
That's not good teaching. That's bad pedagogy, right?
But that is not the same as you spend. 42nd sat on a chair cause
you're playing a video while still children are watching it
or you sat down because you want to do it independent writing and
you realized that when you're walking around they just
constantly. If you're behind them that it
back. They want your help and you just
take that step back for a second.
You sit there You. Observe, and I'm watching, I'm
thinking like that tables working.
Well, they're getting on and they're not asking too many
questions now because it needs to be independent.
This writing, there are reasons that you use your chair as a
tool. It's not always, I'm a lazy
teacher and my name is Kevin Williamson and I don't
understand, you know, it's not not, you know, I mean it I hate
it and it's just so belittling and degrading.
I'm actually really impressed with how you've responded to
that with some actual reasons because you're right is about
pedagogy. You can bring yourself to the
children's level. Sometimes you might be working
with a group quietly, you might just want to sit down Hayden.
You might just fancy sitting down because my first sport.
Yeah, my first thought was not. Oh I wonder what the pedagogy is
between. My first thought was, don't you
dare talk to me like that and now out of spite I'm going to
teach the whole lesson something.
Wait around on the wheel around in my chair, like I'm go to the
board. I'm gonna be awkward lie.
Just wheel between make him kiss me that tables.
We also about to talk to that kid.
Yeah, absolutely. I do agree with that, by the
way, as well. I was trying to think of her,
like a, like, the the argument for, I don't want anyone to
think. Yeah, we all just sit on our
chairs and teach and don't really interact.
The kids at all, because I get that argument, but you're right
also, I've been stand up for three hours.
I've been on, Bray Duty, I taught maths this morning, I
taught English. I've been stand up for three
hours. I just want to sit down for 20
seconds, so my feet stop. Hurting and then I'll carry on,
you know, it's not a problem and the first and if they imagine,
they're salty walking in there and be like, Oh, stand up whole
class stopping like this. Look at you thinking, you're in
trouble. Now with the head teacher stand
up, right? Taking that away from you,
honestly, you've been naughty and then imagine there are just
embarrassment of you, mr. And mrs.
Stevens, why don't you have your chair anymore?
Oh, that head teacher, took it away from me because I'll see
you swing on it. We've seen your sweet backwards
and nearly hit your head. No mate.
I just sat down for two minutes. Oh no.
Because I like the idea of this school, you know, that kind of
like you're teaching and you, literally, you go to put your
bum on the chair and, you know, your cheek just touches, just
brushes, the fabric of your chair, Gavin Williamson puts his
head around the corner. But ladies it gave off that,
don't teach the yeah, that's, that's horrible and I'm going to
move on because I've now got a little game for you to play.
Okay, so the game is this. I'm just going to read to you
two things, right about. Out about toxic SLT one of
those. Real one of them is not.
That's it simple. As that your guess which ones
real right got it going right to see what is that is the real one
that you did a fart drop and go Mission?
That's it. Last week's game.
Girl is, of course, if you're here that came about me farting
in classrooms, but I know you'll do.
Here we go ready, first first scenario, and it's first-person.
Alright, so some people, I'd appreciate some feedback how
many CT and a solo parent. I was told that my parental
leave will not be paid while caring for my daughter because
last Academic Year whilst The TA I had four days related to child
care, /, child sickness side, a little bit of time off the.
Sent me an email saying that it's up to their discretion.
This the line whether they will pay me or not you go.
That's the first thing you mentioned was that they're salty
line, I've accepted this and I can understand that if I'm not
there to teach then maybe I shouldn't get paid.
Okay, whatever. My question is, am I still
required to provide all the planning and resourcing despite
not despite being off and not being paid to expect a tilted
from home? They didn't come home whilst not
being paid, does that sound. Right?
What's the question? Can I, if this is real, then I
don't know what to say, like this.
What what, what save it? You save it because I got
another one. Okay, not this must be shorter.
All right, all right, all right, advice please.
I had teacher has asked for remote learning to be put on
class teams page before Tuesday, evening ahead of strike day on
Wednesday for the strike. I know they've asked the
teachers that are striking to plan lessons for lessons
resource, put Team so that the kids at home can do it like in
lockdown, you know, honest right day.
Am I right in thinking that we should not be doing this as we
do need to confirm. Whether we were in Striking or
not in the first place and we should really be setting work
when bright they're striking. Okay.
I reckon I can I how can I one of them's?
Not. Okay.
Let's think about this. What I think you could have made
up the strike one more easily because the Sharks happening and
stuff and we had that discussions.
So I'm going to say that's not real and unbelievably.
The first one about Them expecting you to work on a day
off, on paid to care for your sick child.
By the way, not just like you having the day off and you're
not getting paid. You're caring for your sick
child and therefore being unpaid.
But you also need to do work that day unbelievably.
I'm going to say that one's true.
So you're locking in your answer.
First one is true. Second one's not true on.
Yeah, I think you made up the strike one, because it's so well
known that you absolutely are with.
That's the idea of a strike. You withdraw, your labor.
How am I going to? You're not going to withdraw
your labor, to make sure that what you're withdrawing can
carry on without you. Yeah, that's just what SLT
member would ever in the in the recent weeks.
It's ever possibly think that's acceptable, right?
And actually say it's our staff. You'd be, you'd be insane to do
that. Are you setting up telling me
that's true. I'll tell you what.
They're both true. No, you absolutely must realize
that both true. I just, I thought it'd be funny.
So they're both true. Both of those stories are true
that Anonymous posts. I've seen on forums and things.
Recently, that both true. Do you know what that does
really, really well to finish this off from round, this off
very nicely expose, how SLT some of them think it's their job to
eat as much free workout of teachers as they possibly can.
And the more free work they can eke out of the river.
That's for doing stuff that you've directed time.
And being told you've got to do it or making them, try and work
for a strike they where they're not getting paid or making them.
Try to provide work and do something at home when they're
caring for their sick. Child, these people get a grip.
So we're going to say to that get a grip and if your SRT, I
like that in a school, please, can you tell us?
Because we will just say on this podcast and then, oh, what, what
it might be playing in your room as you're doing your marketing
and they're coming around, I'm sorry.
Push pull this podcast. That just how crazy is that?
You're gonna take my chair off me.
Sorry, I'll stand up while some marking.
Sorry. Yeah.
We're here to expose them. So send in your stories.
Come on. Do it Anonymous.
We won't make moment won't mention any names or schools,
anything like that. It would just be here to expose
and talk about because, you know what the best bit is, Right?
We've got this ultimate protection here because if
anyone gets annoyed at it call you done wrong, then that's
terrible. I do this at my school you
should be saying this because actually that's really that cool
your the toxic person then so you can't say anything.
Thanks for telling us that we put on it to it.
I'm SLT. And I've done this before
cooled. You wanna come on?
Because we'll have a chat pal. Like, we can we connect week and
a bit jumpy. Really interesting.
We have talked about guessing before I would just like to get
people in who do disagree with us.
Because the thing is, sometimes there's a problem.
I know, it's funny, and I know I really enjoy these podcasts, but
we do kind of overlap of about 80% of our opinions.
So, you know, even though we are, obviously always write, it
would be nice, sometimes someone to get.
And on and have a chat with them and then tell we can tell them
they're wrong. Yeah, pretty great.
Great. Now, it was like horrible Jokes
Aside Jokes Aside 100%. It would be really cool to get
some different views on because, you know what, we probably
misunderstood some stuff even in there.
I mean, maybe not the working moisture, caring for a sick
child thing. I don't know if that'd be like
that, but there's definitely some, some parts of it that, you
know, we haven't been in that position and we don't know.
The pressures of is the chances are some things within the five
episodes we've done this. There's, there's been a listener
that's actually disagree with something.
We said, and that's fine. We actually like that.
And we are as opinionated as we get as a heated as we get We are
very, very happy to accept. We're wrong.
I situation aren't quite happy. Listen to someone who's more
expert than me and a topic and tell me why I'm wrong.
You know, I that's that's not something I'm against I take
pride to do that and I will try to get more on the podcast in
the future Hayden tell you why you specifically I'm wrong.
Right. Dylan, I think it's time to move
on because we haven't even talked about our stories from
the classroom yet and you might have noticed listeners that this
is other, but of a chunkier episode, a bit longer.
So if you are listening on Spotify, let us know in the poll
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So if you could do that, and give us a rating, maybe we'd be
hugely appreciative. But Paden, as you've just said,
should we dive into a few small stories this week?
Haven't we not one big one? Yeah.
And I actually want you to start with a story that happened
recently, something that happened at a school which just
was hilarious and I think you probably know what I'm talking
about involves a toilet but does yeah.
We we got have hinted towards this last week.
I almost forgot about this and this wouldn't have been included
today. I had my friend don't message me
going. Oh, I can't wait to hear about
the toilet story. And I was like, whatever you
talking about and he said, oh, you said, you got locked in the
toilet. Essentially, our school.
The toilet has been like a ongoing problem are poor site
manager. I swear every, every other day I
walk past the toilet and he's on his knees, trying to fix the
lock. It's just been really dodgy for
ages and he finally thought he fixed it.
And it was like, we take an assigned down, you know, our
head and put a sign on the toilet door saying, don't use,
unless you want to get locked in making a little joke.
Ha funny. He taking that down the day
before this happened. As oh science, not gone.
It's obviously fixed it. I went in went to the toilet.
Luckily, it was just a week and you'll see what it's like in a
second. I came back out.
This is our school, open the door.
It I turned the lock and it just stayed locked and oh, this is
the 31. So I'm opening it turning the
lock again. I'm like, okay, cool.
Alright, no problem. Stay calm down and stay calm.
I could feel myself getting like 10% nervous.
I could just feel a little jumps.
I know I'm locked in the toilet though, so that's not great.
So after school don't know who's around.
So I've got, it's not problem. I've got my phone on me, I'll
get my phone out. And then I suddenly remembered
that we get, absolutely no signal, our school and 95% of
the staff, get nothing on their phone.
So I'll try to ring Hayden funny enough and my all catching Haden
straight to voice. Hey, yeah, this is Hayden's
voice, Matt. Okay, so the Panic goes up to
20% like I am locked in a toilet though so we'll be good to go
earn it. So I go over to the door and I
just start gently gently knocking.
Obviously, nothing happens because this is in the corridor,
this is like nowhere near a classroom.
The only saving grace would be if someone happened to be
walking to the staff room, so I'm embarrassing, isn't it?
Embarrassing knocking on those girls with, I bet.
Yeah. What's going on knocking
knocking at 50%? Now, getting a bit more, I'm
locked in here. And I've, I wanted to go out.
I couldn't. So I started like knocking, like
this. Not.
Not, not, not not. And apparently, the teachers had
heard this knocking for a good two minutes and just not hardest
at this. And they thought, Fixing the
toilet, pretty used to it. No, it's someone who cried wolf.
Yeah, literally. That's just Dave, he's fixing
the toilet. Probably is always around there.
So Me Knocking knocking. Anyway, eventually someone hears
me. It felt like 50 minutes.
It was probably 10 minutes maximum.
Someone hears me eventually and I say hi.
Yeah, I'm locked in and he was like, oh God.
So you went to find our site manager.
Dave absolute Legend and a Dave comes along.
But in this time obviously the teachers Come back to the
classroom told the people who had earlier and there's eight,
there's eight people stood, outside the door now, and I'm
there going. Oh, hi everyone.
Hayden, Hayden over here, gets his phone starts with hoarding
right above at the top. There's like a window pane that
no one could see through. So it's very private still.
No one could see through it all. I see, he just wax his hand
above his phones. They're filming.
There's a is locked in there. Mate, 8 people start side
laughing, you can imagine my delight when I walk past and saw
this crowd around the toilet and I know He's locked in there
Dylan, Dylan. Really, and I tell you now, and
my teaching partner Amy. She said this as well.
She was just, like, I'm so glad it was you and I said, what do
you mean? And her point was basically, if
it was anyone else. That'd be like, a lot of
concern, I think I'm people at all.
Okay, let's just, let's keep them calm because it was me.
I just the way I am, I just, you know, have a laugh and don't
really take anything. That's why I filmed it because
it's funny. I knew exactly funny.
Every single person was just laughing having a joke sit
outside. And whilst they were laughing
the way it the way it. So happened that I could have to
get out. Was that the Dave, our site
manager couldn't fix it from the outside.
So he came along and he goes are still.
I can only fix this from the inside, and I went ha ha good
one. And he might no seriously, I can
only fix it from the inside and I was like, well, I'm on the
inside and I'm logged in. So how we gonna get out and
straight away? I'm like, cool.
We got to get the fire brigade down it and it no, no, it's
fine, it's fine. So, all I hear then I like
screws on screwing down the bottom, then my feet and I look
down and there's a vent. I didn't realize there was a
vent on the door, so he's basically undoing this vent.
And what happens at this point. He starts passing me tools
through screwdriver different head, like three different
things and he has to talk me through how to unlock myself,
out the door. I took the door apart, I took
the handle off from the inside. He was give me his instructions.
Obviously, it's funny. So he's there and his knees.
Trying to look, I'm going to post a picture on Instagram by
the way. So if you're still listening to
this are Instagram will also have a picture of my head poking
through to show you that this really happened.
Dave's on his knees. Everyone's taking the mick.
Just having a joke. Having a laugh led by you.
Can I just say Hayden? Yeah, and it's so funny.
We've got a video if they've just sat, they just look
something else. Can I talk to him?
Please really cross. You're so angry because we're
days away. Dave is the most chill guy.
He's so lovely. I've got a lot of time for Dave,
he's a great, great guy, and he was just trying to help me and
he was clearly getting annoyed. Like, guys, I know it's still
early and we can take the mick, but can we get him out please?
So past me through, I managed to get out in the end, it took
about five minutes and I got And there was still six people
there, and the funniest thing that happened was, I'm out.
It was like, yeah. Okay.
All right, is that? Yeah, I do.
Deputy head books. I've gone.
I don't think he is. All right.
Fine, I'm fine. I promise.
And the best thing was I actually finally managed to get
out and what happened here, but the whole year five team had
just caught wind that you are stuck in a toilet and we're
making their way down to see and you know presumably laugh at you
and you just got out as they arrive.
They're like, oh, it's just it's not didn't care about you, they
just are I didn't get to see. It is caged animal in his toilet
but yeah, it was a weird feeling, you know, because I
actually said after I came out and I was fine.
Well, yeah, it's fine, it's fine.
And I just like calm down a bit and I realized that for about
five minutes I wasn't fine at one point and I was very much
just pacing up and down like I'm going to be in here forever.
How can I teach from the toilet? Hey kids get your books out
Kenya. It's like it's taking that
pretty mm. Well, I've got another story or
expense because earlier on in the podcast I was about to start
telling a story and We said we'll save it for now, right?
And and that story is, is it happened, really recently and I
just forgot to mention it when we're talking about a week,
right? So I've not had this, you know,
how this and it will ring a bell because it's something I'm a few
years ago but it's come up again.
And it just made me laugh, right?
Okay. So a couple of years ago, I
found this. Well I think you might even show
me this just hilarious picture of Dillon, right?
Maybe we could post this on Instagram as well as, okay?
Yes, grab my clothes it's and I call it baby mr.
Price. He was young by then a couple of
years old and it's just the pose.
The Of the posture. You do is just it, maybe one of
them. It's one of the classic ones.
Have like, the blue velvet background back in the 90s.
Yeah. Like yeah.
Like I'm just like turn to the side on of my hands together.
Have but you look, you look both Thirty and three at the same
time, it's so funny. And I just love the picture.
It's one my favorites and I already took a picture on my
phone. Anyway, couple of years ago.
Just a bit of a hook for my math class, who all kids that knew
you because they had come up through the school and they
actually six. Right?
I put this on one of my lessons and I said, baby, mr.
Price gives you a gives you a proven.
It was just enough jokes to make them laugh and it escalated into
becoming baby Mr. Price cards and which made a limited
edition, right? I just pray, I put it into a
Word document printed them, laminated them and I made like
maybe 20 or so, and each card had fight, it came with fight
with 15 points. Some schools do that house
points and things, so it's something they wanted, right?
And I said, you're the Gil, get this and I'll never make them
again. They're limited edition.
So if you get one treasure it, I'm never doing this again,
like, a shiny coyote, when you collect it for, exactly.
I said, the only get it for really special things.
You're not just going to get it for nothing so they were I've
never known children to want something so bad, it was
hilarious. Any other school, reward me baby
mr. Price cards, please give you
one. I've heard that children still
have them years on from their siblings.
They said, oh yeah, he's got on his wall.
So, anyway, yes, yesterday. It's very recently.
Anyway, HR came into my car's the same child.
Funny enough. Who thought we were?
Brothers says, right? Funny and said I found her bed,
mr. Brice.
Garden the library. No, and it off Like Nate.
What does thinking this is a couple years ago now.
I surely. Yeah.
I was like I said, Go Get It, Go Get It.
Go to the library get it he brought it back and he's got
this these treasuring, this baby Mr. Price car holding it and I
just was so funny and I said he could keep it as like what
really as if I've given him a trophy.
No. Can I ask ya gon keep it?
You found you keep that one. Yes, yes, yes.
Kids around him. Like oh what you got on it are
what believe it. I've got to make some more of
these things. Oh my God, it's like a shiny
Harry Kane. So I got one, I'm gonna Trade
It. Oh that's unreal.
I love that so much. If you want to see the picture,
check out the Instagram, I'll get Dylan's post it.
But yeah you can see why I made cards have it.
Oh, that's pretty. And I love, I love those little
things we do with the children, which I just like, if you go, I
mean, they just unnecessary the kind of thing where maybe of SLT
walked in the kind of SLT that we've seen.
We've talked about today, they would kind of turn up their nose
to it. If you, if you spent like even
30 seconds and a lesson doing something like that, their
response would be something along the lines of how did they
make progress in that 30 seconds.
So I tell you how they Progress because I made a better bond
with them and in the future they're going to enjoy being in
my company more about to teach them better.
But was this one time where I put it on the screen I just just
get like you said nonsense this is nonsense.
It meant nothing but it but the kids had a good day because of
it. So whatever.
Every time they're to every time they went to talk, they had to
bow to the mr. Price.
Okay. I think I start talking.
I don't know. They're like, oh yeah.
Sorry, bad picture. As I told you, it's like a
shrine of you at the front is just so funny with messing
around. And but they had a good day.
Do you remember that time? Where in your class you had
this? I think it was last year, maybe
a couple years ago, you had a pet which they could take home
and take pictures off and you do not real pet.
No, no. Sorry, I'd better clear it was
it was not real. Guinea pig was like a toy guinea
pig. Like I tell ya and the idea was
they could just take it home for a week.
Have some pictures in like, you know, ever, they were up to that
weekend. Have picture with the hamster
there and it was just really interesting wall of pictures of
kids were gaming, some kids were in the car and the trip, see
their family, some kids are on holiday and it was really I
select selection of pictures so I just had a new picture taken
for for the school photo and when that happens for some
reason, in our pigeonhole, we get like a almost like a
passport sheet of like four by two by two or four pictures of
us, just just print it just, I don't know.
It's like a copy they had, I don't know what it was but it
was in my pigeon hole anyway and I thought I'm okay.
So I just walked around to your room when you went in there and
I put it up on the wall amongst these pictures.
So, these pictures will these children with hamsters and stuff
and then in the middle is just for portraits of me there,
smiling in the The middle remember because I didn't tell
you and you and I walked in one timer who's that with her with
the hamster up there and four months.
It just been on your wall. No one noticed.
Yeah. Eventually, kids, kids did to be
fair. Some kids did actually go.
What, what's that layout? Yeah, they like it's a big
surprise that. Yeah, I don't ask, I don't know
what happened up. There.
Is that your brother now? It's my cousin.
Yeah, just one more thing because I just, I'm on one now,
right? It's another a game, but it
just, it's just all this nonsense again, right?
That's a game I've invented and I got a new ta recently so that
the context is I've invented this ridiculous game with my
math class and then my new ta ta is come in.
And I've actually I was a little bit embarrassed to do it.
I was like, that's gonna, she's gonna think that.
I'm genuinely insane. Like I've lost my mind.
Like what right? If is this guy doing teaching?
Kids game just trying to make times tables more fun?
They don't want a dish, they do which they chop on a chart.
They've done it for years there in year.
Six. Exactly.
Like they've done dice games. I've done that today.
We've done times rocks and stuff.
If and have one game is a wild. Wild west shootout and have to
like walk away from each other. First one to say, the answer,
like wins the other person sits down.
Anyway, we've done all these games loads and I just I don't
know why, but I sometimes walk around with my meter stick, I
just love holding it as like a little Cain, I can just walk
around, I can rest on it eluded, it's just a habit.
I like just fiddling with stuff, right?
So I'm walking around this meat stick and and it's, and it's
Hollow for all the way through the middle.
One of those won't red and yellow ones, right?
And for some reason, I said, let's pretend were in the jungle
and your animals trying to run away, and I've got a blow job.
And so, I held it up like a big blow dart and, and if I, if I
got them at the blow dart, they had to answer my time saver
question in less than 5 seconds or they, or they have to, like,
tend to pass out because they were like, tranquilized just,
you know, I'm saying it now and I'm going red because it's so
embarrassing. I think they obviously,
obviously, they loved it because it is just completely insane.
So there's that, they're like tends to get shot by a blow dart
and then pretend to be tranquilized if they didn't
answer the question, it's really good.
So Disney taste Starts in my math class and what because I'll
go pay the product. We've had about darts and I'll
just wait, I shouldn't. I shouldn't read because I was
thinking, I don't want to play that in front of this home
because they're gonna think they're gonna like question why
I'm in this job like just complete Insanity.
I just imagine, it's not gonna first, I think, you know, okay.
How do you teach times tables in this school and you're just
there with a blow dart, your mouths.
Gonna, I'm just gonna implode of times tables.
Yes, we do. Sometimes table, as she goes to
get the dice out, and I've already got my blow dart, my
full jungle. The kids have been on the
elephant is like what? What's going on.
So instead we played the Wild Wild West game where they you
know just like just classic just you know they walk away from
each other first been so time stable.
So I put on some Wild Wild West music and I go into this world
will accent and she's already looking at me thinking, what is
wrong with this guy on? It's not.
I recognize I reckon she's thinking what a nice way to
engage the children because that's what it's all about,
right? You know that it is, is crazy
what you're saying, and it's just a shame that some cultures
some school. Cultures rather we'll just look
down on that kind of thing. It's absolutely fine.
Isn't it? As long as it doesn't like
genuinely just waste waste try and control.
Yeah, I think I think it's fine as long as there's a purpose to
it, if it's about engagement. Fine.
If it's about, you just hiding some learning in some sort of
fun activity than fine, you know.
And I do find actually that 95% of when my children are most
engaged. It's just what I've taught
something really well and explicitly and clearly and
they're just practice doing it. Like engagement doesn't have to
come from all these fancy bells and whistles Is the kind of
thing we like to do every now, and then, but actually the best
engagement comes from children, understanding something well,
and having worked pitch, that are high level.
And I think over the years, we've probably realized as well,
that these little fun things, we do of the children.
That if you do them all the time, it does have a negative
impact. It actually, if you rile up the
children, I know you mentioned this previously.
I think at a bit of a discussion in our pot yeah, talk about it
more another time but if you roll them up is actually hard to
get them back and then you can impact the learning.
So you've got to be careful when you do these things.
For sure, for sure. But I must say, I know you
touched on it earlier. This is been a mega episode.
I'm actually really excited that we've done this because we said
a few times. We were aiming for half an hour
for these podcasts won't be in. The first one came at half an
hour and we said to ourselves, we're just gonna have a chat and
if it goes on and on and we're interested in and we'll just go
put out there and we'll see what you guys think.
So this is a much longer episode today, really looking forward to
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