1 00:00:00,060 --> 00:00:01,510 Hello, everyone. Welcome back to another episode 2 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:02,470 of Teach Sleep. Repeat. 3 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:04,870 My name is Dylan and my name is Hayden, and we are the Men in 4 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:06,760 black. Are we really are the men in 5 00:00:06,770 --> 00:00:07,510 black? We did not. 6 00:00:07,580 --> 00:00:09,290 Is that brand new top? Brand new top. 7 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:09,870 Yeah. So. 8 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:11,840 When I walked in the black top this morning, did your heart 9 00:00:11,850 --> 00:00:13,870 sink a bit? I didn't notice because 10 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:15,850 obviously I don't notice these things until we sit in front of 11 00:00:15,860 --> 00:00:17,410 a camera and go, oh look, we were in the same thing. 12 00:00:18,810 --> 00:00:21,830 A vast majority of people don't watch this podcast so that 13 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:22,960 first. Made me customers. 14 00:00:22,970 --> 00:00:24,570 Was a complete waste of your time. 15 00:00:24,580 --> 00:00:25,630 How you doing? I'm alright. 16 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,220 Remember we first, we first went on on video, right? 17 00:00:29,230 --> 00:00:31,170 And we kept making jokes about it and we were saying, oh, 18 00:00:31,180 --> 00:00:33,210 you're so weird for watching us. And now it's just normal. 19 00:00:33,260 --> 00:00:35,700 Yeah, it's quite normal to have stalkers, I think. 20 00:00:35,710 --> 00:00:37,480 Who wants everything? That's what you are, isn't it? 21 00:00:37,490 --> 00:00:38,830 Really. Who does watch on it? 22 00:00:38,990 --> 00:00:42,160 Give us a message because apparently it's a lot of you. 23 00:00:42,340 --> 00:00:45,530 Apparently on the stats on Spotify. 24 00:00:45,540 --> 00:00:48,670 Apparently I didn't have anyone watching me on this week's 25 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,080 podcast. Yeah. 26 00:00:51,090 --> 00:00:53,020 How's your week been? We've been back at school. 27 00:00:53,030 --> 00:00:54,300 Haven't. Back at school after a lovely 28 00:00:54,310 --> 00:00:55,980 trip to Centre Parks, we spoke about last. 29 00:00:55,990 --> 00:00:59,620 Week What was more tiring, the holiday or the work you work 30 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,520 actually you. Being around you more often. 31 00:01:02,650 --> 00:01:04,030 Was very tired. Why was that? 32 00:01:05,379 --> 00:01:08,520 Business the holiday. I was so knackered that weekend. 33 00:01:08,530 --> 00:01:10,160 We got back. Couldn't believe it. 34 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:11,180 But it was good. It was worth. 35 00:01:11,190 --> 00:01:13,270 It it's always good when you finish a holiday much more tired 36 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,050 than when you went on it. I said to my mum and she was 37 00:01:15,060 --> 00:01:17,360 like, ohh, she's like, that is just what it's like for kids. 38 00:01:17,370 --> 00:01:18,680 She's like it's the sign of a good holiday. 39 00:01:18,690 --> 00:01:20,620 If you come back knackered it's because you were doing 40 00:01:20,630 --> 00:01:22,600 everything you could to try and make it nice for them. 41 00:01:22,730 --> 00:01:25,620 And it's lovely because they'll never, ever remember it, and it 42 00:01:25,630 --> 00:01:26,900 might as well have not happened. For them, no. 43 00:01:26,910 --> 00:01:28,340 But we've got, we've got some pictures of it. 44 00:01:28,350 --> 00:01:30,420 We got a picture of them in the bath we can embarrass them with 45 00:01:30,430 --> 00:01:31,580 when they're older. It's fine. 46 00:01:33,220 --> 00:01:36,610 I've seen, I've had a quick look at the notes and I've just seen 47 00:01:36,620 --> 00:01:38,000 something that says Apple pie story. 48 00:01:38,010 --> 00:01:39,710 Apple pie store. That's vague enough for me to 49 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:40,380 be, really. Interested. 50 00:01:40,390 --> 00:01:41,660 I'm looking forward to telling this story. 51 00:01:41,670 --> 00:01:44,130 So yesterday I went to one of us. 52 00:01:44,140 --> 00:01:46,710 So just for context, we have a choosing business and I went to 53 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,480 one of our choosers houses who's going to be taking over a bit 54 00:01:49,490 --> 00:01:51,050 of. Workload and he's going to work 55 00:01:51,060 --> 00:01:55,960 to run the business with me. You no taking over. 56 00:01:56,020 --> 00:01:58,990 We we run mock tests through the year and it was just a little 57 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,310 event and he's going to take over that role of like managing 58 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:02,830 them, right. So I said, I'll come round, 59 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,690 we'll run through all get you set up. 60 00:02:04,780 --> 00:02:07,060 And because it was quite late, I said, jump me to bring some 61 00:02:07,070 --> 00:02:08,289 dinner. You know, we'll just get a 62 00:02:08,300 --> 00:02:10,090 takeaway or something. So we decided on on a 63 00:02:10,100 --> 00:02:12,750 McDonald's, a cheeky McDonald's, and that was great. 64 00:02:12,820 --> 00:02:16,310 At the time he was with another colleague who is both his friend 65 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:20,050 and also a tutor for us who said, ohh, I want an apple pie. 66 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,000 And I thought they were joking. I was on my way to McDonald's. 67 00:02:22,010 --> 00:02:24,130 I thought it was just me. She doesn't even live with him. 68 00:02:24,250 --> 00:02:25,940 I mean, I thought, no, that's not happening. 69 00:02:26,180 --> 00:02:27,870 And then they text me as I was at McDonald's. 70 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:29,680 Are you actually getting the apple pie? 71 00:02:30,350 --> 00:02:32,780 And I thought, I thought it was a joke, but OK, I'll get the 72 00:02:32,790 --> 00:02:33,570 apple pie. That's fine. 73 00:02:33,580 --> 00:02:35,240 I'll drop it to her house. Whatever. 74 00:02:35,250 --> 00:02:36,800 There you go, Texas saying you're lucky. 75 00:02:36,810 --> 00:02:38,430 You know you better enjoy this apple pie. 76 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,770 Was that the exact language you? Used Yeah, I I was really nice 77 00:02:41,780 --> 00:02:44,420 in my language. I didn't use any expletives when 78 00:02:44,430 --> 00:02:45,690 I spoke to. Her definitely not. 79 00:02:45,730 --> 00:02:47,370 I said you better enjoy this apple pie. 80 00:02:47,380 --> 00:02:49,860 You're a lovely woman, is what I said to her. 81 00:02:51,170 --> 00:02:53,280 And then I was driving away from McDonald's and I just had a 82 00:02:53,290 --> 00:02:54,990 feeling, you know, my McDonald's senses. 83 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,610 I. Don't wanna do anything for her. 84 00:02:56,700 --> 00:02:59,160 That's what you thought. I just I just feeling inside. 85 00:02:59,230 --> 00:03:01,360 Ohh it's still gonna hate you when I replace him. 86 00:03:02,190 --> 00:03:04,620 But she gave me the bag McDonald's, and I thought, I 87 00:03:04,630 --> 00:03:07,420 just feel like there's, it should have felt more heavy. 88 00:03:10,340 --> 00:03:13,210 How often do you go to my doubles that you can lift up the 89 00:03:13,220 --> 00:03:15,070 bag and go I'm missing or something? 90 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,230 I knew one of my five items is missing. 91 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:18,350 This is not. Waiting right? 92 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,560 I wasn't I was bloody right. So I pulled I was driving at 93 00:03:20,570 --> 00:03:22,620 McDonald's and I thought no I'm going to stop and check cause be 94 00:03:22,630 --> 00:03:24,640 annoying if I go there and something missing something 95 00:03:24,650 --> 00:03:26,350 missing. The McDonald's Whisperer. 96 00:03:28,330 --> 00:03:30,030 I looked in. I closed my eyes. 97 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:31,330 Obviously I did it all from smell. 98 00:03:32,340 --> 00:03:34,590 Something's missing in here. I can't can't smell the. 99 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:35,910 Apple I'm getting, I'm getting cheeky. 100 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,170 Muggy I'm getting double cheeseburger. 101 00:03:38,180 --> 00:03:41,490 No backing. Did and actually what I realised 102 00:03:41,500 --> 00:03:42,540 was I had the complete wrong order. 103 00:03:42,550 --> 00:03:43,890 I didn't even have our order at all. 104 00:03:43,900 --> 00:03:46,070 I was like, we didn't order any of this stuff. 105 00:03:46,220 --> 00:03:49,520 So I was like oh bloody hell. Took it back into McDonald's at 106 00:03:49,530 --> 00:03:50,950 that point. I picked up the drinks that she 107 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:52,720 gave me first and realised they weren't even the drinks I 108 00:03:52,730 --> 00:03:53,960 ordered. Probably should have noticed at 109 00:03:53,970 --> 00:03:56,390 that point when she gave me two drinks that weren't the drinks. 110 00:03:56,460 --> 00:04:00,670 Anyway, went in and I said oh sorry, but this is not my order. 111 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,020 I've got someone else's order and was a lady said next to me 112 00:04:03,030 --> 00:04:06,070 and she was like, oh, is that the old chicken selects meal and 113 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:07,890 two Cokes? Yeah, this is yours. 114 00:04:08,150 --> 00:04:11,180 He's like, yeah, I drove past the window, didn't realise where 115 00:04:11,190 --> 00:04:13,110 to stop and then you, you were the car behind. 116 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:13,680 Me. Sorry. 117 00:04:13,690 --> 00:04:15,090 Let's go through her thought process. 118 00:04:15,100 --> 00:04:16,470 I know. Go through the drive through. 119 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,370 I'll order my food, I'll pay for my food, and then I'll go home. 120 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:21,390 And go to the next window please. 121 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:24,730 OK, what countries left McDonald's? 122 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:27,710 So she thought she held her back. 123 00:04:27,870 --> 00:04:29,320 Didn't exist. It was a bit light. 124 00:04:29,750 --> 00:04:31,940 I know I did think what? What do you mean you missed? 125 00:04:31,950 --> 00:04:34,900 You missed the window where you get your food and you don't 126 00:04:34,910 --> 00:04:36,810 know. How many Tesco put your whole 127 00:04:36,820 --> 00:04:39,800 chart for it and just going good day, yeah, you've paid backing 128 00:04:39,810 --> 00:04:41,500 out. So I thought, OK, well it wasn't 129 00:04:41,510 --> 00:04:44,320 McDonald's fault really, that she just, she just did it wrong. 130 00:04:44,390 --> 00:04:46,600 So I stood there waiting and explained the situation, very 131 00:04:46,610 --> 00:04:48,560 apologetic. And then they found my meal 132 00:04:48,570 --> 00:04:50,720 because the next person obviously was like, this isn't 133 00:04:50,730 --> 00:04:52,740 my meal out the window. A sensible person that actually 134 00:04:52,750 --> 00:04:55,560 realises when the drinks are wrong and I say put it to the 135 00:04:55,570 --> 00:04:57,210 side, found one. I said, really, where you have 136 00:04:57,220 --> 00:05:00,070 your meal, all good. I was like, no, no worries, no 137 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,010 worries, all fine. And I thought, I'm not going to 138 00:05:02,020 --> 00:05:03,380 check it again. No, not check. 139 00:05:03,390 --> 00:05:05,150 They obviously checked it now because I've told them to go. 140 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,070 I've told them exactly what my order was, of course. 141 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,870 And so I, I drive to, I'm going to name a Tasha's house. 142 00:05:10,940 --> 00:05:12,370 She listens and she listens fine. 143 00:05:12,420 --> 00:05:15,390 Drives Tasha's house and she was, you know, extremely excited 144 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,870 about this apple pie for. She came bounding over. 145 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,170 Came bounding out of her door like ohh my apple pie, something 146 00:05:21,180 --> 00:05:22,890 like that. Sound music. 147 00:05:22,900 --> 00:05:24,880 She can confirm that's it. That's how she came out the 148 00:05:24,890 --> 00:05:26,600 door. I can actually really imagine 149 00:05:26,610 --> 00:05:28,390 her doing. Back to that specifically, Tash. 150 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:29,970 Yeah. Very, very her, isn't it? 151 00:05:29,980 --> 00:05:31,630 Flamboyant of an Extremely flamboyant. 152 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,910 Yeah. Running out of her door, big 153 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,140 smile on her face like she was. I didn't actually expect you to 154 00:05:36,150 --> 00:05:37,280 do this. This is the biggest treat. 155 00:05:37,290 --> 00:05:38,660 You're probably the nicest person I know. 156 00:05:38,670 --> 00:05:40,540 You're my favourite human being. Didn't say that. 157 00:05:40,550 --> 00:05:41,730 No, No. But she came to the window. 158 00:05:41,740 --> 00:05:43,450 Her eyes said it. Yeah, her eye said it exactly. 159 00:05:43,460 --> 00:05:45,570 A body language eyes, You know, the fact she had no shoes on. 160 00:05:45,580 --> 00:05:47,620 She was so excited. And I said right, go on then. 161 00:05:47,630 --> 00:05:49,410 It's in one of these two bags. Sorry. 162 00:05:49,420 --> 00:05:52,120 You you noticed that she had no shoes on and you noticed about 163 00:05:52,130 --> 00:05:53,650 the McDonald's you're some kind of like. 164 00:05:53,660 --> 00:05:56,050 You got Spidey senses? I've got like eyes or something. 165 00:05:57,830 --> 00:06:01,570 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I said in one of these 166 00:06:01,580 --> 00:06:03,710 bags, open them up. So I opened one bag, shoved one 167 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,890 bag. She's excited looking through 168 00:06:05,900 --> 00:06:07,810 all right, Like that one's looking through my bag. 169 00:06:07,820 --> 00:06:10,050 I was like, ohh, it's not in here either. 170 00:06:10,140 --> 00:06:14,130 And the apple pie wasn't there. And she was gutted, but but held 171 00:06:14,140 --> 00:06:17,510 it and has, is now holding it personally against me to make 172 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,790 that clear. She was like, you owe me. 173 00:06:19,870 --> 00:06:20,990 You owe me an apple pie. I. 174 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,060 Think each day that goes past apple pie increases by 1 couple 175 00:06:25,070 --> 00:06:27,280 months now, Yeah. So I don't know how to feel 176 00:06:27,290 --> 00:06:28,690 about that. Is that my fault? 177 00:06:28,820 --> 00:06:31,490 I would say absolutely, because it's you. 178 00:06:31,540 --> 00:06:34,540 If it was anyone else, obviously, because it is you 179 00:06:34,550 --> 00:06:37,310 who's gone through this whole thing, through the whole ordeal 180 00:06:37,380 --> 00:06:40,910 of holding a bag from McDonald's and go, no, no, no, that is not 181 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,300 my order. But then for some reason I don't 182 00:06:43,310 --> 00:06:44,390 check it again. I know. 183 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:45,780 It was wrong with me. I just checked. 184 00:06:45,790 --> 00:06:47,230 I thought, no, they can't get it wrong. 185 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,030 The main thing that's come out of this story for me is I really 186 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,370 want to line up five bags of McDonald's food, right? 187 00:06:52,380 --> 00:06:54,410 Completely random. Get to hold them and tell me 188 00:06:54,420 --> 00:06:57,300 what's in them. And see successful all three, 189 00:06:57,310 --> 00:06:59,550 actually a medium prize and two large fries in that one. 190 00:06:59,620 --> 00:07:01,820 Yeah, yeah, I know. OK, we've done this before, but 191 00:07:01,830 --> 00:07:04,000 I'm gonna ask you right now because it is vital information. 192 00:07:04,010 --> 00:07:05,650 OK, What's your go to order? McDonald's. 193 00:07:05,660 --> 00:07:07,080 You're hungry driving home from work. 194 00:07:07,090 --> 00:07:08,540 You know that. Even it's late. 195 00:07:08,580 --> 00:07:10,730 Go through McDonald's, right? Gonna fill my boots here. 196 00:07:10,740 --> 00:07:12,600 What do you? Get so I can't remember to be 197 00:07:12,610 --> 00:07:14,570 adventurous. Big Mac meal, no cheese, 198 00:07:14,580 --> 00:07:16,210 obviously. I wish I didn't ask, honest. 199 00:07:16,340 --> 00:07:17,130 Cheese. Yeah. 200 00:07:17,300 --> 00:07:19,530 Cheese. Big white meal, No cheese Drink 201 00:07:20,180 --> 00:07:21,550 Oasis. Anything else? 202 00:07:22,310 --> 00:07:25,480 And hamburger. Yeah, I knew it was coming. 203 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,760 Getting that like 3 bites. Yeah, exactly. 204 00:07:28,770 --> 00:07:31,030 But I was looking at McDonald's menu yesterday and they had this 205 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,190 like triple thing that just three for 3 lbs Yeah, no, it was 206 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:35,820 like a burger with three burgers in it. 207 00:07:35,830 --> 00:07:37,960 But the hat trick burger, Patrick burger, yeah, I looked 208 00:07:37,970 --> 00:07:39,310 at it. I was like ohh, that could be 209 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,940 quite nice. And then I realised that cheese 210 00:07:40,950 --> 00:07:42,630 was the main element and I took out the cheese. 211 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,800 It would literally just be. Three burgers on top, three 212 00:07:45,810 --> 00:07:48,790 slabs of mince in a bread bun, 3 slabs. 213 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,900 Slabs of rancid mince. You know, I thought probably not 214 00:07:52,910 --> 00:07:54,560 the best idea for anyway. It doesn't know. 215 00:07:54,620 --> 00:07:56,690 Completely insane. Hayden doesn't like cheese. 216 00:07:56,700 --> 00:07:58,430 No, he's not tolerant. He's not vegan. 217 00:07:58,440 --> 00:07:59,410 I am. He's not, he's not. 218 00:07:59,420 --> 00:08:02,100 And he he just doesn't actually like geez, I think it's 219 00:08:02,110 --> 00:08:03,280 disgusting. I still can't get my. 220 00:08:03,290 --> 00:08:04,050 Head. It's disgusting. 221 00:08:04,060 --> 00:08:06,330 Is is the most disgusting food on this planet. 222 00:08:06,340 --> 00:08:07,970 It's absolutely revolting. Rancid. 223 00:08:07,980 --> 00:08:09,940 Interesting, that'll be the pollen on this if you're on 224 00:08:09,950 --> 00:08:12,700 Spotify right now. There is a whole cult of us like 225 00:08:12,710 --> 00:08:16,750 we all know each other. Preview when I walk around. 226 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,130 You. Rishi and ohh, I don't know. 227 00:08:22,130 --> 00:08:23,990 The third one. Oh, no, I'm just testing. 228 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:24,990 I'm testing you. Yeah. 229 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,330 We walk on the street. I'm like, right, we not. 230 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:28,190 We know. Obviously. 231 00:08:28,260 --> 00:08:30,930 We know each. Other Is it because I don't even 232 00:08:30,940 --> 00:08:33,200 know? This is the lack of calcium from 233 00:08:33,210 --> 00:08:36,780 the milk we don't drink. Another horribly pale person. 234 00:08:38,340 --> 00:08:39,870 Ohh, Jason. Jason. 235 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,750 I mean, I'm, I'm really pale, so I like to. 236 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,390 Have my photo taken, dear. Cheese. 237 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:50,960 Ohh always freaks me out. Like when they're seeing those 238 00:08:50,970 --> 00:08:52,520 black and white you're flashbacks in your head. 239 00:08:52,530 --> 00:08:55,420 Cheese you back to your childhood of being forced and 240 00:08:55,430 --> 00:08:57,120 just eat it. Eat your dinner, Hayden. 241 00:08:57,130 --> 00:08:59,700 Eat I do have one of them. Well, I memory of like where I 242 00:08:59,710 --> 00:09:01,900 think of well, actually, because I was forced to eat lasagna at 243 00:09:01,910 --> 00:09:04,200 school. Genuinely, really, genuinely 244 00:09:04,210 --> 00:09:07,250 forced to eat lasagna. I was in maybe a three and I had 245 00:09:07,260 --> 00:09:08,240 a school. I don't normally have school 246 00:09:08,250 --> 00:09:10,740 dinners, but for some reason I had school dinners that day and 247 00:09:10,750 --> 00:09:12,270 it was lasagna and it was cheesy lasagna. 248 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,680 Oh my God, and they would not have didn't want to eat it. 249 00:09:14,690 --> 00:09:16,670 And it wasn't even being I wasn't trying to be horrible. 250 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:18,740 I literally just said something I really, really, really don't 251 00:09:18,750 --> 00:09:20,690 like. I just don't meet this and 252 00:09:20,700 --> 00:09:22,390 they're like, we're not going to write to eat it. 253 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:24,250 And I sat there the whole whole hour. 254 00:09:24,260 --> 00:09:25,820 They wouldn't leave. They would not let me go until 255 00:09:25,830 --> 00:09:27,810 they lasagna. I probably had like one mouthful 256 00:09:27,820 --> 00:09:29,230 of it in the end around for dinner time. 257 00:09:29,270 --> 00:09:32,150 No, because I know what you do. You'll throw cheese at me. 258 00:09:34,350 --> 00:09:35,880 Yeah, yeah. What do you think about that in 259 00:09:35,890 --> 00:09:37,150 general in school? Because we. 260 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:38,520 Ohh. Wait, let me just check. 261 00:09:38,870 --> 00:09:40,160 Ohh Yeah, This is the teacher podcast. 262 00:09:40,170 --> 00:09:42,230 Let's talk. Ohh. 263 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:43,990 Yeah. So do what do you think about 264 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,460 kids who just refused to eat at lunchtime? 265 00:09:45,470 --> 00:09:47,230 Where's the line? Because they eat something. 266 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,480 Weird, isn't it? Probably, Probably more labelled 267 00:09:49,490 --> 00:09:51,980 liberal than ever because experience. 268 00:09:51,990 --> 00:09:54,150 I'd be like any kid that says now, but OK, bye. 269 00:09:54,770 --> 00:09:56,630 Because I'm like, I don't want to repeat. 270 00:09:58,200 --> 00:09:59,510 To Stevens my. Go. 271 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,470 Just go. No, no, my son. 272 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:02,160 Sorry. It's the end of day. 273 00:10:02,170 --> 00:10:04,210 I want to catch you quickly. My son he's not been eating his 274 00:10:04,220 --> 00:10:07,270 lunches for. Weeks I know ohh, you know about 275 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:08,150 this already. I do. 276 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,240 I know very well. OK, so you've been trying I've 277 00:10:10,250 --> 00:10:12,390 been encouraging him to to eat all of his dinner. 278 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,770 I've been encouraging him to leave his dinner if he doesn't 279 00:10:14,780 --> 00:10:17,530 like No, no, but he no Mr Stevens, listen, he comes home 280 00:10:17,540 --> 00:10:20,050 starving everyday Yes, and I know he does actually like it. 281 00:10:20,060 --> 00:10:22,410 He does because he's at home. So can you just please make sure 282 00:10:22,420 --> 00:10:24,090 he eats it? I won't I won't do it. 283 00:10:24,100 --> 00:10:25,500 What What? That's part of your job, Mr. 284 00:10:25,510 --> 00:10:27,220 It's not part of my job. We've had a whole discussion 285 00:10:27,230 --> 00:10:28,360 about this on our podcast. You should. 286 00:10:28,540 --> 00:10:30,690 But basically with me while I was on Instagram. 287 00:10:33,060 --> 00:10:35,790 Yeah, I don't know, I I would hate to punish children for not 288 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,290 liking food. Yeah, I find that insane. 289 00:10:37,340 --> 00:10:38,890 But sometimes. But like you said, sometimes 290 00:10:39,060 --> 00:10:40,900 we've all been there as a kid where you're just being stubborn 291 00:10:40,910 --> 00:10:42,080 and actually you wanted something else. 292 00:10:42,090 --> 00:10:43,220 You didn't get it. So now I'm not eating. 293 00:10:43,230 --> 00:10:44,070 This. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 294 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,150 So there is a line where it's like, OK, yeah. 295 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,810 It's like everything we talk about on this podcast and a line 296 00:10:48,820 --> 00:10:51,830 somewhere we decided the problem is probably funding some sort of 297 00:10:52,700 --> 00:10:54,770 somehow funding's fault. It's the Tories. 298 00:10:54,780 --> 00:10:58,130 I think it's the Tories and that's why you listen to the 299 00:10:58,140 --> 00:11:00,470 podcast guys, for that incredible insight into all the 300 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:01,680 problems that we have in teaching. 301 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,060 So apple pie. Great. 302 00:11:03,070 --> 00:11:04,110 Good stuff. How are you? 303 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:05,550 I'm. Fine, I'm absolutely fine. 304 00:11:05,560 --> 00:11:08,510 I've been thinking about the fact that your notes are when 305 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,370 this is about us. Well then your notes are 306 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,750 terrible. That's not fun. 307 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,490 Mine says apple pie story. Where's Where's the? 308 00:11:15,500 --> 00:11:16,170 Fun in that? Ohh. 309 00:11:16,180 --> 00:11:21,780 Let me explain why this Sunday, which is after we record this, 310 00:11:23,260 --> 00:11:26,520 carry on this, after we record this podcast, but before it's 311 00:11:26,530 --> 00:11:27,930 been released. So it's happened already. 312 00:11:27,980 --> 00:11:30,330 So I had a great Father's Day. Did you? 313 00:11:30,380 --> 00:11:32,780 Ohh yes and also yesterday had a great father's. 314 00:11:32,790 --> 00:11:34,340 Day. I think yesterday was fantastic 315 00:11:34,350 --> 00:11:36,550 and I would think that all of the surprises were very 316 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:38,530 surprising. To me, all of the fathers were 317 00:11:38,540 --> 00:11:41,240 laughing like this. What a great day. 318 00:11:41,250 --> 00:11:45,030 But the only thing is to have a Father's Day is we've got a BBQ 319 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,040 at my parents house, we're gonna go to everyone that's on the 320 00:11:47,050 --> 00:11:48,650 afternoon. But then Lauren said to me 321 00:11:48,660 --> 00:11:51,780 yesterday, what are you doing in the morning on a on Father's 322 00:11:51,790 --> 00:11:53,230 Day? And I was like, ohh, nothing 323 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,510 actually I'm not doing anything, I'm free. 324 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,870 She went ohh, OK, alright then. So I spent the rest of the day 325 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:04,920 thinking, ohh, I gotta say, yeah, it's like, ohh, I'm gonna, 326 00:12:04,930 --> 00:12:06,800 I'm gonna cry. But that sounds quite nice. 327 00:12:06,980 --> 00:12:10,910 And then then later on we were organised in an interview we 328 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,660 have with like something to our business and we and the person 329 00:12:13,670 --> 00:12:15,830 could do Sunday morning. And I was like, no, no, no, no, 330 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,770 no, no. Don't think I can do Sunday 331 00:12:17,780 --> 00:12:19,170 morning because I've been asked about it. 332 00:12:19,180 --> 00:12:21,770 I've got to keep that clear. I'll just check when because we 333 00:12:21,780 --> 00:12:24,550 can work around it. So by the way, Lauren, what what 334 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:30,450 is going on Sunday morning? Nothing I said but you no sorry. 335 00:12:30,460 --> 00:12:31,810 Ohh, earlier you asked me what? I'm doing. 336 00:12:31,820 --> 00:12:36,440 You're crying at this point, it was just a long don't worry 337 00:12:36,450 --> 00:12:39,830 about. That I said, ohh, earlier you 338 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,790 you just asked me what's going on Sunday morning. 339 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,140 So I just thought, are we? And she was like, oh, no wonder 340 00:12:44,150 --> 00:12:45,130 what you're doing. Yeah. 341 00:12:45,180 --> 00:12:47,440 So so I said to you nothing. And you went, that's OK. 342 00:12:47,450 --> 00:12:51,920 Yeah, I could do the interview. So Sunday morning, having a nice 343 00:12:51,930 --> 00:12:54,700 little chat with someone. Yeah, one of our people like an 344 00:12:54,710 --> 00:12:57,370 interview really. Is it just talk about something? 345 00:12:58,100 --> 00:13:00,870 But yeah, that, that that was, that was fun. 346 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,790 I honestly thought, like, that's lovely, isn't it? 347 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,410 Yeah, lovely. That's something in the morning 348 00:13:04,420 --> 00:13:07,350 for my first Father's Day. Yeah, I'll be doing nothing. 349 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,430 Did you do anything on Mother's Day though's first mother's? 350 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:14,540 Day I don't remember. So that's a no. 351 00:13:14,970 --> 00:13:17,640 I think we did. I think I got, I think I got 352 00:13:17,650 --> 00:13:19,860 paid Rory's feet and put his feet somewhere. 353 00:13:19,940 --> 00:13:21,590 Yeah, on a card or something. Fair enough. 354 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,840 The Wall. Yeah, Chuck some painters. 355 00:13:23,850 --> 00:13:25,120 Yeah. Yeah. 356 00:13:25,130 --> 00:13:26,260 It's nice, isn't it? It's nice. 357 00:13:26,350 --> 00:13:30,010 That's my notes, farmers name. It's not I've got another. 358 00:13:30,020 --> 00:13:31,900 I've got another thing that actually just thought without 359 00:13:31,910 --> 00:13:34,920 looking at. Ohh please tell me about how 360 00:13:34,930 --> 00:13:37,970 insane the amount of work you know. 361 00:13:37,980 --> 00:13:39,050 I don't know, I just read your mind. 362 00:13:39,060 --> 00:13:41,020 It's like a McDonald's. Well, last week before we 363 00:13:41,030 --> 00:13:42,660 started back at work, I was talking. 364 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,960 You picked me up and went, that's all he's got to talk 365 00:13:44,970 --> 00:13:46,190 about. It feels better. 366 00:13:48,050 --> 00:13:53,490 There's no buying there, son. Inside and the only thing I was 367 00:13:53,500 --> 00:13:56,580 going to say was last week we said, isn't time 6 lovely? 368 00:13:56,590 --> 00:13:58,770 Isn't time 6 great? The weather is so good, My 369 00:13:58,780 --> 00:14:00,800 favourite times. Then I had a week back and I 370 00:14:00,810 --> 00:14:04,370 remembered how insane it is. Like I just thought straight 371 00:14:04,380 --> 00:14:06,180 away I was like, oh, there's four things that I need to do in 372 00:14:06,190 --> 00:14:08,500 the next two weeks and that all massive jobs and I've got to 373 00:14:08,510 --> 00:14:11,100 continue actually doing my full teaching schedule, which is in 374 00:14:11,110 --> 00:14:12,990 itself a full time job. And I've got some planet and 375 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,050 I've got some market. But by the way, you still got 376 00:14:15,060 --> 00:14:16,980 staff meetings. And also, can you please write 377 00:14:16,990 --> 00:14:18,670 and all your reports? And not only write all your 378 00:14:18,680 --> 00:14:20,670 reports, can you then proofread all the reports from someone 379 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,340 else please? The same amount of time. 380 00:14:22,390 --> 00:14:23,610 By the way, there's a Twilight as well. 381 00:14:23,620 --> 00:14:24,970 We've got some training. Really nice. 382 00:14:24,980 --> 00:14:26,130 Ohh. It's weird that you only found 383 00:14:26,140 --> 00:14:28,310 about found out about writing reports last week. 384 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,480 Well, Hayden, how do you expect me to proofread reports before, 385 00:14:30,490 --> 00:14:32,920 before, before the deadline when people aren't finished? 386 00:14:32,930 --> 00:14:34,190 I said writing, not proofreading. 387 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:35,290 Well, writing. My own fault. 388 00:14:35,300 --> 00:14:36,490 I'll be doing that. This weekend. 389 00:14:38,540 --> 00:14:40,420 Ohh, quite hilarious. Golden week one, I've got to 390 00:14:40,430 --> 00:14:42,450 write my report. For writing this is where my 391 00:14:42,460 --> 00:14:45,010 mind place was when I was doing my reports right clearly, 392 00:14:45,020 --> 00:14:49,440 because I was still so in year three, right in in year three, 393 00:14:49,450 --> 00:14:54,210 we did Sikhism and I remember I absolutely loved that whole 394 00:14:54,220 --> 00:14:55,520 unit. I remember thinking to myself, 395 00:14:55,530 --> 00:14:57,980 I'm not very religious person. I remember thinking after this 396 00:14:57,990 --> 00:15:03,470 season, this religion, I can I can I really like the whole idea 397 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,190 of service and the community and helping people like that. 398 00:15:06,510 --> 00:15:08,920 So whenever we've been Davari now, because obviously in the 399 00:15:08,930 --> 00:15:10,280 chat. So we do a lot of Christianity, 400 00:15:10,490 --> 00:15:13,480 everything of RI think of Christianity, then we do it. 401 00:15:13,490 --> 00:15:14,770 Sexism. That's lovely. 402 00:15:14,830 --> 00:15:16,620 Yeah. So in year four now, I mean, 403 00:15:16,630 --> 00:15:19,020 year four, we do Hinduism, which is another big religion. 404 00:15:19,130 --> 00:15:22,040 And I remember teaching about Hinduism and the beliefs of 405 00:15:22,050 --> 00:15:24,300 karma and reincarnation. Yeah. 406 00:15:24,310 --> 00:15:27,140 Well, karma reincarnation, although my dears and I was 407 00:15:27,150 --> 00:15:29,380 like, this is cool. Isn't all really good? 408 00:15:29,390 --> 00:15:30,860 Ari is really cool. We get to know all these 409 00:15:30,870 --> 00:15:32,090 cultures. You have nothing to know about 410 00:15:32,100 --> 00:15:33,130 others. And we talked about how Rishi 411 00:15:33,140 --> 00:15:34,480 Sunak's Hindu. Is he? 412 00:15:34,490 --> 00:15:37,240 Yeah, he's Hindu, the first practising Hindu to become Prime 413 00:15:37,250 --> 00:15:40,090 Minister and all this really cool chat about Hinduism. 414 00:15:40,300 --> 00:15:41,590 So I was writing my reports away. 415 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,790 I've done all my reports, I've done all my mass reports, I've 416 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,770 just got a few bits and bobs to do now to finish off because I 417 00:15:46,780 --> 00:15:50,720 share them with Amy, obviously my job share and she just 418 00:15:50,730 --> 00:15:52,950 messaged me yesterday going. Have you done your reports? 419 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,270 And I was like, yeah, she's like, Oh yeah, I thought you'd, 420 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,650 because, you know, we did, we know we did Hinduism this year, 421 00:15:57,660 --> 00:16:00,550 not Sikhism. I'd written Sikhism and then 422 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,290 every single report and I said, I he really, he really does 423 00:16:04,300 --> 00:16:07,550 grass the understanding of the Sikh religion and the culture 424 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,570 and the ideas of reincarnation and the ideas of karma. 425 00:16:10,580 --> 00:16:13,710 So I got all these, I got all the individual parts of Hinduism 426 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:14,850 correct. I just called it. 427 00:16:14,860 --> 00:16:16,010 Egoism. OK, because. 428 00:16:16,020 --> 00:16:16,550 Of that, yeah. Yeah. 429 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,590 So I just literally labelled the seekers because I was like 430 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:19,650 seekers him. What a lovely. 431 00:16:19,660 --> 00:16:21,610 Religion. Much further idea of you making 432 00:16:21,620 --> 00:16:24,220 up 32 statements for all your kids about how much they love, 433 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,160 completely exposing that none of it's real. 434 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,060 Because they didn't do it. The 5K's, they know all about 435 00:16:30,070 --> 00:16:33,190 the 5K and how they wear the silver bracelets and all that. 436 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:34,930 Yeah, all that. Gonna carry a sword. 437 00:16:34,980 --> 00:16:37,730 And I don't think that's it. That's how Linda was actually. 438 00:16:37,770 --> 00:16:40,180 So I got it right. But I'd literally I'd written 439 00:16:40,190 --> 00:16:42,550 season every single one because I'll go and change. 440 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,490 That right now so would you know my. 441 00:16:45,500 --> 00:16:46,620 Speakers. And it says here that you 442 00:16:46,630 --> 00:16:48,630 understand the culture of it. So what can you tell me about 443 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:49,790 it? Yeah. 444 00:16:50,250 --> 00:16:52,640 So yeah, that was my story about reports. 445 00:16:52,650 --> 00:16:55,210 Love that, very good, very you. Have you got anything else? 446 00:16:55,220 --> 00:16:57,560 For you, so I was just gonna reflect on it's a less funny 447 00:16:57,570 --> 00:17:01,750 thing a few a funny thing. I can't say the word last. 448 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,780 Think you're fine? My mind think you'll find the 449 00:17:03,790 --> 00:17:06,680 word is. Lesser, lesser, lesser few funny 450 00:17:07,150 --> 00:17:09,599 but want to our business for a minute because we don't talk. 451 00:17:09,990 --> 00:17:11,710 Cry these guys. We look forward to that. 452 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:12,819 We. Don't talk about it much. 453 00:17:12,990 --> 00:17:14,980 It's a big part of our. Life, we're talking about 454 00:17:14,990 --> 00:17:16,880 flexible working and stuff and job sharing all that. 455 00:17:16,890 --> 00:17:18,310 So it's kind of linked. They're related. 456 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:20,819 What do you wanna talk about? Stick around and for after this 457 00:17:20,829 --> 00:17:22,980 boring bit when we can talk about flexible work. 458 00:17:22,990 --> 00:17:26,040 You don't do the notes as if I didn't just tell you so we can 459 00:17:26,050 --> 00:17:31,920 talk about I mean was that they just check the notes over here. 460 00:17:32,190 --> 00:17:35,700 I think we're. Flexible, working flexible. 461 00:17:35,710 --> 00:17:37,200 Working. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 462 00:17:37,210 --> 00:17:38,650 But basically want to reflect on it for a minute. 463 00:17:38,660 --> 00:17:40,980 It's a scary, scary time for us to see how you feel because I 464 00:17:40,990 --> 00:17:44,480 feel like, you know, you find these things a little bit more 465 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,530 like it gets you, gets you feeling some type of way when 466 00:17:47,540 --> 00:17:48,580 when we do. This really good. 467 00:17:48,590 --> 00:17:51,940 Description of the word 10 seconds spray bottle. 468 00:17:53,490 --> 00:17:57,260 If you don't get that, listen to episode 60. 469 00:17:58,530 --> 00:18:02,550 Ohh every something in the. 60s or why not just all of the 470 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:03,930 previous? All of the previous episodes, 471 00:18:03,940 --> 00:18:05,990 yeah. Anyway, so we're at the point 472 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,990 now where we've we've grown a little, we've gone part time 473 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,110 because of our little side business that was just genuinely 474 00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:14,750 a side hustle for many years, which was a bit of tutoring. 475 00:18:14,820 --> 00:18:16,870 And we've slowly grown it. And we've always had the mindset 476 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,290 of totally risk free, really, really slow building. 477 00:18:20,300 --> 00:18:22,680 We'll do everything ourselves, even if it takes 10 times longer 478 00:18:22,690 --> 00:18:24,740 because we don't want to maybe spend loads of money. 479 00:18:24,780 --> 00:18:27,860 We spend risk. It, we spent like £200 when we 480 00:18:27,870 --> 00:18:29,790 started on that resourcing, yeah. 481 00:18:29,860 --> 00:18:33,790 And then we've not put a single penny of our own money into this 482 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,620 business since then. We actually, we have, we 483 00:18:35,630 --> 00:18:37,310 actually have enough. No, we've only, we've, so only 484 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,150 time we've needed something, even if we think it's a good 485 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,960 idea, like getting a new website was a big thing for us, rather 486 00:18:42,970 --> 00:18:44,860 than what a lot of businesses would do, which is they'd, 487 00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:46,730 they'd get that investment, they'd ever take out a loan or 488 00:18:46,740 --> 00:18:48,670 something because they know it's going to pay dividends in the 489 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,930 future. We were like, Nah, we'll always 490 00:18:50,940 --> 00:18:53,190 just save up first. So if it takes us a year longer 491 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:54,670 to get there, we'll do that. We've always done that. 492 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,280 But recently we wanted to start a bunch of a couple of new 493 00:18:57,290 --> 00:18:59,620 services and we've taken a new leap. 494 00:18:59,700 --> 00:19:03,260 I think it's, I think if we should like talk about it, but 495 00:19:03,270 --> 00:19:08,120 what we aren't we, but it's been 3 minutes so, so basically we 496 00:19:08,130 --> 00:19:11,500 have built a bit of a team of resource creators to help us 497 00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:13,820 jumpstart these new services, which would normally take about 498 00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:15,210 two years to. Create, well, because we just 499 00:19:15,220 --> 00:19:17,620 sit and creating ourselves. So we've created every resource 500 00:19:17,630 --> 00:19:19,760 so far, just ourselves. I think apart from a couple of 501 00:19:19,770 --> 00:19:22,640 things, I've outsourced people. But mostly me and. 502 00:19:22,650 --> 00:19:24,810 You but yeah, now it's. Exciting, kind of scary because 503 00:19:24,820 --> 00:19:27,210 spending loads of money investing on in these people and 504 00:19:27,220 --> 00:19:29,730 the services don't exist yet. But I would, I would say it's 505 00:19:29,740 --> 00:19:31,480 still the business money. And it's because the business 506 00:19:31,490 --> 00:19:32,760 has grown. The business has grown. 507 00:19:32,770 --> 00:19:34,490 It's allowed to invest as much money. 508 00:19:34,580 --> 00:19:36,560 But you know, yeah, anyone else has a business out there? 509 00:19:36,570 --> 00:19:38,870 It is, it is like it is just a leap, isn't it? 510 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,860 Because at the end of the day, that is our money because we've 511 00:19:41,870 --> 00:19:42,590 earned it. Yeah. 512 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,870 And it's our, you know, our profits and our company and 513 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,470 stuff. So either we're going to invest 514 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:47,810 it or we're going to take the money. 515 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,370 And I think we've had the mindset before of take the 516 00:19:50,380 --> 00:19:53,930 money, live a comfortable lifestyle, reinvest when you can 517 00:19:53,940 --> 00:19:55,820 save. And I think at this point we're 518 00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:58,220 just like, let's just do. I don't I wonder if there's like 519 00:19:58,230 --> 00:20:02,620 a bit of boredom comes into it of, you know, we, you know, our 520 00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:04,880 service, we, we teach here. Of children and can't we do a 521 00:20:04,890 --> 00:20:07,800 little bit of your stuff? We're now completely overhauling 522 00:20:07,810 --> 00:20:09,300 year four to be a complete service. 523 00:20:09,310 --> 00:20:11,360 We're going to introduce year six is going to be the whole 524 00:20:11,370 --> 00:20:14,160 idea of through through primary school. 525 00:20:14,210 --> 00:20:17,200 Yeah, eventually thinking about doing GCSEs and stuff like that 526 00:20:17,210 --> 00:20:20,640 and working in secondary school, but it's just a hint of boredom. 527 00:20:20,650 --> 00:20:22,590 I don't know about you. Like we've gone part time. 528 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,000 We've done that for a couple of years now. 529 00:20:24,010 --> 00:20:27,480 I feel like I'm at the at the cycle point of I need something 530 00:20:27,490 --> 00:20:30,470 else like and even if this doesn't work then OK, well we'll 531 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,860 just carry on as we were then. Like we'll build the money back 532 00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:34,280 up anyway because of where we are. 533 00:20:34,410 --> 00:20:36,050 Yeah, I agree. I think it is important. 534 00:20:36,060 --> 00:20:37,780 I mean, we like that we are a year goes past. 535 00:20:37,790 --> 00:20:40,820 If we don't do something new, we tend to get a bit itchy, itchy, 536 00:20:40,890 --> 00:20:43,660 itchy feet. Itchy Feet is definitely the 537 00:20:43,670 --> 00:20:46,590 saying. And yeah, the only bad, bad news 538 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,590 for our listeners is we haven't got for the podcast yet. 539 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,200 We keep putting a new episode every week. 540 00:20:50,420 --> 00:20:53,080 I'll listen to #1 now what we like. 541 00:20:53,090 --> 00:20:55,060 Ohh, God is annoying, isn't it? So yeah. 542 00:20:55,070 --> 00:20:56,840 Are you happy you had your bit about business? 543 00:20:56,850 --> 00:20:59,450 Yeah, I just want to reflect on it and I was gonna see how you 544 00:20:59,460 --> 00:21:01,730 felt about it, but I suppose it kind of links into the next 545 00:21:01,740 --> 00:21:02,760 chat. Anyway, we're gonna talk about 546 00:21:02,770 --> 00:21:03,800 going part time. Are we? 547 00:21:04,670 --> 00:21:06,720 So we're gonna play the Jingle now. 548 00:21:06,780 --> 00:21:09,000 We're gonna talk about going part time and flexible working 549 00:21:09,010 --> 00:21:11,100 and teaching and stuff. But I do have a nice little 550 00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:13,120 hypothetical question for you to answer after this single. 551 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:19,010 OK, that sounds good. Hey, then it's time to answer my 552 00:21:19,020 --> 00:21:21,470 hypothetical question. You ready? 553 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:35,160 That sounds great. That's the Django OK, ready. 554 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,880 Ohh. I need you to take you 555 00:21:36,890 --> 00:21:38,460 seriously. I thought this online. 556 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,860 You crack me up and I really had to think about it. 557 00:21:41,910 --> 00:21:43,980 OK, I'm ready. Because this, by the way, you 558 00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:45,840 have to take this seriously because this is an incredibly 559 00:21:45,850 --> 00:21:46,820 serious question. OK? 560 00:21:46,830 --> 00:21:49,150 You're listening at home. I want to know what you think. 561 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:50,800 Let us know. Question. 562 00:21:50,890 --> 00:21:59,290 Would you rather stay exactly as you are or I thought you got 563 00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:01,330 now? Yeah, exactly as you are. 564 00:22:01,340 --> 00:22:05,120 Or, umm, take six attempts at bowling a strike for £100 565 00:22:05,130 --> 00:22:09,500 million and if you don't bowl a strike you turn into a dog. 566 00:22:13,620 --> 00:22:20,770 Oh my God, what? Sorry, would you rather say 567 00:22:20,780 --> 00:22:24,500 exactly as you are or take six attempts at bowling, strike and 568 00:22:24,510 --> 00:22:27,400 if you don't bother strike you turn into a dog? 569 00:22:28,210 --> 00:22:31,660 That is unbelievably complex for some reason. 570 00:22:32,530 --> 00:22:34,140 Up until you said the. Word dog. 571 00:22:34,150 --> 00:22:36,390 I was absolutely adamant that I was going to take that one. 572 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:37,740 That race. I was like, there's nothing he 573 00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:38,850 could do. You take away my whole life 574 00:22:38,860 --> 00:22:40,700 savings, whatever. I take the risk for 100 million, 575 00:22:41,070 --> 00:22:43,920 turn into a dog. I'm not so sure. 576 00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:48,540 I'm not talking like I'm talking about when, when when we say 577 00:22:48,550 --> 00:22:50,410 dog, you can't talk. You're not talking dog. 578 00:22:50,420 --> 00:22:52,100 You are just a dog. You are you though. 579 00:22:52,110 --> 00:22:53,680 Yeah, you are. You and people around you would 580 00:22:53,690 --> 00:22:56,510 be like, ohh, missed that Hayden at least at least he's ohh. 581 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,400 Look at him. I bet he's a he's sad. 582 00:22:58,660 --> 00:23:00,840 Secondly, could I miss on purpose? 583 00:23:03,930 --> 00:23:06,950 We're gonna be talking. I don't really wanna. 584 00:23:07,130 --> 00:23:11,410 Do I have to take the 100 mill? I think they're. 585 00:23:11,420 --> 00:23:12,880 Serious Ebola striker in your gut. 586 00:23:12,890 --> 00:23:15,840 It's six. You've got to strike it. 587 00:23:15,850 --> 00:23:18,100 God's sake. God's sake. 588 00:23:19,170 --> 00:23:23,160 Give me 100 Mel. Oh my God, I don't if if this 589 00:23:23,170 --> 00:23:26,730 was dead serious. You mean it because because 590 00:23:26,740 --> 00:23:27,840 it's. Hey, I'm asking you right now. 591 00:23:27,850 --> 00:23:29,970 I've got it set up. I've got the bar now set up in 592 00:23:29,980 --> 00:23:31,790 the other room. I've got the dog's body. 593 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,290 Imagine what the dog's body out there ready for your soul to. 594 00:23:34,980 --> 00:23:37,730 Is it currently alive? Yeah, he's going to swap. 595 00:23:39,220 --> 00:23:45,860 Will become the David David. Do you see more stock? 596 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,860 I think, but how much was it? 100 million hundred hundred mil. 597 00:23:50,900 --> 00:23:52,910 100 mil, one strike out. I'm pretty. 598 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,870 Bloody good at bowling, I'll tell you that. 599 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,620 Have your bowling with the pause of a dog. 600 00:23:58,850 --> 00:24:02,440 I'm joking there. I think I would do it. 601 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:03,460 No, wait. No. 602 00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:04,860 No barriers. No barriers. 603 00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:06,870 No, no. Barriers want to look at me. 604 00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:08,360 I look like someone needs barriers. 605 00:24:08,370 --> 00:24:10,080 But on your turn into a dog and you're OK with that? 606 00:24:10,090 --> 00:24:11,120 I won't turn into dog, I'll get this. 607 00:24:11,130 --> 00:24:16,090 Right, you really have picked like the wrong sport here. 608 00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:19,470 Are you a secret bowling? Fanatic any sport baby backs. 609 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,810 Throwing. Just don't do something with my 610 00:24:21,820 --> 00:24:24,720 feet. Just do anything we have to 611 00:24:24,730 --> 00:24:26,780 bend, please, because I won't be going back up. 612 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:29,940 Ohh, I don't know. I think I would. 613 00:24:29,950 --> 00:24:31,780 I think I'd do it. No way. 614 00:24:32,250 --> 00:24:36,080 So you've got a child and you go sorry darling, I'm gonna try and 615 00:24:36,090 --> 00:24:37,660 strike 100 mill if. Not bark. 616 00:24:37,670 --> 00:24:40,000 Bark, no. If not, If not, you're doing the 617 00:24:40,010 --> 00:24:41,540 challenge as well. You'll be a dog with me. 618 00:24:41,630 --> 00:24:44,420 No, no, no, it's just you. But if not, you do get a nice 619 00:24:44,430 --> 00:24:45,820 family pet. Would you not take it? 620 00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:48,930 No, absolutely not. No, you're making me doubt 621 00:24:48,940 --> 00:24:49,910 myself. I'm doing that. 622 00:24:50,210 --> 00:24:51,640 I'm doing it, baby. Live life on the edge. 623 00:24:51,910 --> 00:24:53,440 Of the life of a dog is alright in it. 624 00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:55,660 Yeah, Short, short. Though which dog you are. 625 00:24:55,810 --> 00:24:57,620 That's, that's part of the question, I suppose, is what 626 00:24:57,630 --> 00:24:59,850 kind of dog would you be and not a street dog. 627 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,500 As in, like what breed you choose? 628 00:25:02,510 --> 00:25:05,450 To breed at least, OK, you'd be a golden retriever in a loving 629 00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:07,330 family. But you, you can't talk. 630 00:25:07,340 --> 00:25:09,780 You can't talk, though. And and there's one person in 631 00:25:09,790 --> 00:25:12,140 the family who does Tuggy cholera bit too much when I was 632 00:25:12,150 --> 00:25:12,950 looking. OK. 633 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,670 Like a bit like that's why can I bite them? 634 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,850 No, no, no. Yeah, I'm doing it, I'm doing 635 00:25:19,860 --> 00:25:21,060 it. I'll get a strike and I'll take 636 00:25:21,070 --> 00:25:24,020 the 100 mil walk away by ten 10,000 golden retrievers. 637 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,450 And implant myself into all of them like a horcrux. 638 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,720 All of them. I mean, someone tries to, 639 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,630 someone tries to destroy me, they have to destroy themselves 640 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,250 at the same time. That's how it works. 641 00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:37,380 Followed Waldemar through. Yeah, OK, Baltimore as the kids 642 00:25:37,390 --> 00:25:38,100 call me. Thanks to you. 643 00:25:38,110 --> 00:25:39,760 Yeah. Anyway, yeah, that's been a 644 00:25:39,770 --> 00:25:41,420 while since you mentioned that. Yeah. 645 00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:43,410 But it wasn't mentioned it. I hear it every day though, so 646 00:25:43,450 --> 00:25:46,250 thanks for that. Right, guys, let us know what 647 00:25:46,260 --> 00:25:47,380 your answer that hypothetical is. 648 00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:49,500 And here's a quick another Jingle. 649 00:25:49,630 --> 00:25:51,420 No, no, no, no, no. I'm not finished the question. 650 00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:52,780 I've got one more typical. Back to you. 651 00:25:52,790 --> 00:25:54,480 OK. How many bowls? 652 00:25:54,490 --> 00:25:58,360 2 how many, how many bowling attempts would you have to be 653 00:25:58,370 --> 00:26:04,110 given until you take this deal? Like would you do it for if you 654 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:06,250 had 10 attempts, would you would you take it? 655 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,360 When is it no longer? A risk to you? 656 00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:11,740 OK, let's work backwards. If I had 100 attempts, I'd do 657 00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:13,280 it. Yeah, OK, There's no way you're 658 00:26:13,290 --> 00:26:14,940 getting. Straight on 100 hundred if I 659 00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:17,560 went bowling if I-10 games of bowling, I'd get straight yeah 660 00:26:17,630 --> 00:26:20,380 Now I I actually think in a single game of bowling I'd get 661 00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:22,840 straight yeah but would I risk it becoming. 662 00:26:22,850 --> 00:26:26,000 A dog no. So that's like 20/20/20 ish 663 00:26:26,010 --> 00:26:27,580 isn't it? Because you know, we do 2 per 664 00:26:28,490 --> 00:26:30,380 two guys for a strike. Hayden strikes first goal or 665 00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:32,070 nothing. Yeah, you're gonna get 10 666 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,280 attempts to strike, but if you haven't been getting a strike, 667 00:26:34,290 --> 00:26:36,660 you've got up to like 20 goes until you've got until you run 668 00:26:36,670 --> 00:26:38,140 out of goes to get a striker, no. 669 00:26:38,210 --> 00:26:40,350 You can't if you have a. If you bowl and don't get a 670 00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:41,970 strike, your next one can't be a strike. 671 00:26:42,620 --> 00:26:44,060 You only get 10 attempts at strike. 672 00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:48,200 Ohh yeah, you idiot. Ohh. 673 00:26:48,210 --> 00:26:49,620 In that case I won't be taking it. 674 00:26:50,220 --> 00:26:52,360 What if the first one hits nothing? 675 00:26:52,550 --> 00:26:56,790 Does it count as night despair? I'm so good at bowling, by the 676 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,040 way. How are the rules working? 677 00:26:58,050 --> 00:26:58,580 Please? Why? 678 00:26:58,590 --> 00:27:00,060 It's not technically, it's right. 679 00:27:00,070 --> 00:27:01,490 We are gonna pay the go now. We're gonna get into. 680 00:27:01,500 --> 00:27:02,560 The actual hang on before the jungle. 681 00:27:02,570 --> 00:27:08,850 Let's play the Jingle. A couple of years ago we went 682 00:27:08,860 --> 00:27:12,690 part time, and part time in a school is one of two things 683 00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:14,690 usually. So obviously part time means 684 00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:16,310 less time in school. Either part time or full. 685 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,930 Time. Yeah, well, part time Hayden 686 00:27:17,940 --> 00:27:21,230 means one of two things, either as a teacher, maybe in in 687 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,990 secondary school is different obviously because it's different 688 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,570 periods you have already scattered timetable. 689 00:27:24,580 --> 00:27:27,210 But in primary school it tends to be either you are a maths and 690 00:27:27,220 --> 00:27:29,600 English set teacher and you go in every morning five days a 691 00:27:29,610 --> 00:27:31,430 week and you do English and maths every day. 692 00:27:31,620 --> 00:27:34,590 Or you share an entire class with another person and one of 693 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,660 you does three or four phase one of you does one or two days or 694 00:27:36,670 --> 00:27:37,880 something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 695 00:27:37,930 --> 00:27:41,850 We took the job share option of we do three days a week. 696 00:27:41,860 --> 00:27:45,020 The good one. The yeah, the lovely one and our 697 00:27:45,070 --> 00:27:48,200 job share partners do two days a week and between us we're just 698 00:27:48,210 --> 00:27:49,720 treated as one person in the school. 699 00:27:49,730 --> 00:27:51,940 Yeah. Now this whole episode is going 700 00:27:51,950 --> 00:27:54,270 to be talking about flexible working, flexible working and 701 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,390 also job shares because that's where we have kind of our 702 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,330 speciality, I suppose. So before we go into the Inns 703 00:28:00,340 --> 00:28:04,360 and outs of how flexible working can actually work in a school 704 00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:07,160 and the limitations are much different to other jobs and the 705 00:28:07,170 --> 00:28:08,830 impact it might have on recruitment and retention and 706 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,270 things like that, I wanted just to reflect on our actual real 707 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,460 life experience of flexible working. 708 00:28:15,470 --> 00:28:17,940 So we put in, we put in a flexible working request. 709 00:28:18,010 --> 00:28:20,730 We ended up getting our three days a week. 710 00:28:21,290 --> 00:28:28,670 What did it do to you, Hayden? That affected your enjoyment of 711 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,640 the job and your ability to, I guess, stay in the job. 712 00:28:31,650 --> 00:28:33,610 What would have happened if you were denied this request? 713 00:28:33,620 --> 00:28:34,860 I would have quit for a. Start. 714 00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:36,060 Would you have, I'll be honest with that. 715 00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:37,400 Absolutely. I probably would have probably 716 00:28:37,410 --> 00:28:40,010 have that one more year again because we're quite risk free. 717 00:28:40,020 --> 00:28:41,350 Normally. I would have been a bit like I 718 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,170 would have put myself out of it. We were ready to quit though. 719 00:28:43,910 --> 00:28:45,420 Yeah, we did. Kind of actually we did. 720 00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:47,380 We did say to ourselves, didn't we, if this was going to be 721 00:28:47,390 --> 00:28:49,800 denied, we were quick because we were burning out. 722 00:28:50,110 --> 00:28:51,640 And, and that's what it did to me, I suppose. 723 00:28:51,650 --> 00:28:54,350 It stopped me burning out. And I don't want to pretend like 724 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,860 I was burning out just because of the job. 725 00:28:55,870 --> 00:28:58,340 It's because we were trying to run a business on top of a full 726 00:28:58,350 --> 00:29:00,160 time teaching job, which we all know is kind. 727 00:29:00,170 --> 00:29:02,960 Of which already people burnout. From exactly and we're lucky at 728 00:29:02,970 --> 00:29:05,340 our school where is a good school and actually at other 729 00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:06,790 schools. I probably would have been long 730 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,840 burned out by that point. Our school's pretty good anyway, 731 00:29:08,850 --> 00:29:12,280 but we were still burning out. So going part time for me, I 732 00:29:12,290 --> 00:29:15,330 guess saved my career a little bit in terms of it kept me as a 733 00:29:15,340 --> 00:29:17,790 teacher for however long. You know, I don't think I'll 734 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,450 always be teaching. I do think there's gonna be a 735 00:29:19,460 --> 00:29:23,450 point where we take the business full time probably in the 736 00:29:23,460 --> 00:29:26,130 future, but it certainly kept us in a bit longer because it 737 00:29:26,140 --> 00:29:30,430 allowed us to take that middle step of pure safety for us where 738 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,310 it was like, well, we know we're going to make we're going to 739 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,080 make up the money from the business that we run, but we 740 00:29:35,090 --> 00:29:37,030 probably don't earn enough in the business yet to go fully 741 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,990 like the full risk mode of quitting. 742 00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:42,840 So it was a nice safety net. I don't would would you have 743 00:29:42,850 --> 00:29:46,250 because obviously we thought the three days a week option was 744 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,850 superior because we needed those days at home. 745 00:29:48,940 --> 00:29:52,820 Would you have taken the five days a week doing mornings only 746 00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:56,160 but finishing at lunchtime option if that was the only 747 00:29:56,170 --> 00:29:57,740 other option? Or would you have quit? 748 00:29:58,010 --> 00:30:01,050 If it was the only option I would have taken it. 749 00:30:01,410 --> 00:30:03,720 However, I did not quit. Yeah, I think so. 750 00:30:03,730 --> 00:30:07,220 I think so. I do think however, that doing 751 00:30:07,230 --> 00:30:10,110 full days is superior to doing every morning. 752 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,050 I think we talked about this a long time on the podcast, but I 753 00:30:12,060 --> 00:30:15,460 do think but mornings works for some people, for example, 754 00:30:15,470 --> 00:30:18,090 parents of slightly older children who maybe are in 755 00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:19,900 nursery all morning. It's perfect. 756 00:30:19,910 --> 00:30:22,740 It's perfect, isn't it all? Or childcare is easier for them 757 00:30:22,750 --> 00:30:24,140 to sort. Out you can be done before the 758 00:30:24,150 --> 00:30:25,980 end of the school day basically. You can see them and just do 759 00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:28,130 half day, whatever it takes in terms of that respect. 760 00:30:28,140 --> 00:30:31,650 It does work for some people and also it does kind of mitigate a 761 00:30:31,660 --> 00:30:35,290 lot of the stigma around job share, which is that you're 762 00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:37,850 teaching maths Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and that progression 763 00:30:37,860 --> 00:30:39,130 clearly carries on for the children. 764 00:30:39,140 --> 00:30:42,290 But you change teacher and that that can be a problem and and 765 00:30:42,370 --> 00:30:44,270 that mitigates that completely because it's set teacher. 766 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,170 You just teach them all the. Time And I suppose there's, you 767 00:30:46,180 --> 00:30:48,930 know, another huge perk of being a set teacher is that if you 768 00:30:48,940 --> 00:30:52,070 don't, if you're not tied down to a class, any teacher 769 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,850 listening right now, I know there's a lot of responsibility 770 00:30:54,860 --> 00:30:57,430 and extra work that comes with having your own class. 771 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:57,790 Right. Yeah. 772 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,650 And on top of just planning for the afternoon. 773 00:30:59,660 --> 00:31:00,030 Yeah. Yeah. 774 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,790 So it's not just it's not just planning and teaching the 775 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,250 afternoon, is it? There is a lot of other stuff 776 00:31:04,260 --> 00:31:05,520 you know. Parents evening for a start. 777 00:31:05,530 --> 00:31:07,670 Healthcare plans, you've got to. Write yeah, you know, all of 778 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,070 those those jobs are kind of let teachers do their parenting. 779 00:31:11,420 --> 00:31:12,950 That's true. They do, they do, but they might 780 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,050 not do it. Some schools they might not 781 00:31:14,060 --> 00:31:15,390 have, you know it's not going to be their. 782 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,990 Class, but like it tends to be an afternoon enrichment, 783 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,390 afternoon trips, things like that. 784 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,760 There's this pros and cons because I've got I've no set, 785 00:31:21,860 --> 00:31:23,880 which is in our school, we have set teachers to every morning. 786 00:31:23,890 --> 00:31:25,050 Yeah. We also have job share people 787 00:31:25,060 --> 00:31:28,730 who dates so that there are pros and cons to both and I do get 788 00:31:28,740 --> 00:31:32,180 that and I don't, I wouldn't be reticent to say that, you know, 789 00:31:32,250 --> 00:31:35,080 set, set teachers do less. I don't think that's true 790 00:31:35,090 --> 00:31:36,220 necessarily. No, sure. 791 00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:39,280 Because I think the planning Mass in English is much more of 792 00:31:39,290 --> 00:31:40,680 a job than planning the afternoon. 793 00:31:40,750 --> 00:31:42,280 So they're they're planning more. 794 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,950 Yeah, I was trying to highlight really got a question for you 795 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,130 then. So thinking about just very much 796 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,990 about you, you've been part time for two. 797 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,910 Years 2 1/2 years. 2 1/2. I. 798 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,850 Ohh, no, no, no. You started halfway through. 799 00:31:56,860 --> 00:31:59,470 You started in the September. So you've done I've. 800 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:00,450 Been. Has it been? 801 00:32:00,460 --> 00:32:02,250 Has it been to and? This is my third year, yeah. 802 00:32:02,260 --> 00:32:04,610 Crikey, yeah. So you've done 2 1/2 years, 803 00:32:04,740 --> 00:32:09,450 taught me through how you felt at the start and how you feel 804 00:32:09,460 --> 00:32:11,760 now about it that might know that's gonna be different or not 805 00:32:11,770 --> 00:32:14,660 and kind of what happened if it is different about like the day 806 00:32:14,670 --> 00:32:16,280 one of going part time, how did you feel? 807 00:32:16,330 --> 00:32:17,460 Unbelievable. Yeah. 808 00:32:17,470 --> 00:32:21,910 And it was, it was crazy because again, do you know, we we always 809 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,530 talk about how if you get out the classroom every year that 810 00:32:24,540 --> 00:32:26,950 goes by, you kind of become more removed from what it's like 811 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,830 being in the classroom. Yeah, I absolutely think that 812 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,800 this is happening to me with being a full time teacher. 813 00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:35,170 So I talk about burnout. I talk about things like that. 814 00:32:35,450 --> 00:32:38,280 I am every year that goes past, I'm another year away from 815 00:32:38,290 --> 00:32:40,660 actually experiencing what it's like to work all week in a 816 00:32:40,670 --> 00:32:43,300 school because it is insane in terms of in terms of mental 817 00:32:43,310 --> 00:32:45,840 load. So for me going to do a job, 818 00:32:45,850 --> 00:32:50,910 share, it honestly transformed my looking back, my mental 819 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,410 health because it happened after COVID and there was a lot of 820 00:32:55,420 --> 00:32:57,770 stuff going on in COVID. I think that I kind of just 821 00:32:57,780 --> 00:33:00,510 suppressed the little bit like the whole idea, like the world 822 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,330 felt like it was falling apart, was affecting everyone, 823 00:33:02,340 --> 00:33:04,470 obviously. And we talk about how, ohh, we 824 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,330 got some time at home, wasn't that nice, and we had our own 825 00:33:07,340 --> 00:33:09,660 house and we had a garden. So I know we were very lucky in 826 00:33:09,670 --> 00:33:11,950 terms of some people stuck in a flat and it was incredibly 827 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,620 tricky mental health wise. Yeah. 828 00:33:13,660 --> 00:33:16,250 So we had them benefits, but I definitely suppressed a lot of 829 00:33:16,260 --> 00:33:17,890 it. And a lot of my stuff came out 830 00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:19,850 in health anxiety around that time. 831 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,980 I was really worried, I'm really worried about my health. 832 00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:23,260 Like the doctors. Yeah. 833 00:33:23,270 --> 00:33:24,830 It was like going to the doctors and getting stuff checked. 834 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,770 It wasn't even to do with COVID. It was like other stuff. 835 00:33:26,780 --> 00:33:29,160 And I'm like, ohh, I've, I've got to have a lump in here and 836 00:33:29,170 --> 00:33:30,680 can you check that? And then I'd get the doctor to 837 00:33:30,690 --> 00:33:32,610 check it like 6 times even though I already checked, it's 838 00:33:32,620 --> 00:33:34,100 already been scanned. It's like it's fine. 839 00:33:34,150 --> 00:33:37,360 And we're years later now. And I definitely think that was 840 00:33:37,370 --> 00:33:39,980 linked to COVID and I definitely think it was actually linked to, 841 00:33:40,050 --> 00:33:43,100 you know, incredible stressing the job as well. 842 00:33:43,620 --> 00:33:47,280 And when we, when I went part time job share, it genuinely 843 00:33:47,290 --> 00:33:50,480 transformed my outlook and my day-to-day stuff. 844 00:33:50,550 --> 00:33:54,110 It didn't just change my work, it changed how I was at the 845 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,570 weekend because I had more time. It impacted everything to do in 846 00:33:56,580 --> 00:33:57,520 my life. I was just happier. 847 00:33:57,530 --> 00:34:01,110 Yeah, straight away. And I would say that, you know, 848 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,250 kind of LinkedIn with that is the fact you didn't go part time 849 00:34:04,260 --> 00:34:05,630 as quickly as I did. Yeah. 850 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,570 So obviously we were both hoping to go part time. 851 00:34:07,580 --> 00:34:09,110 We could both spend time in the business. 852 00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:12,530 So we kind of stalled going full send on the business until we 853 00:34:12,540 --> 00:34:14,540 were both off. I was two times behind Dylan, 854 00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:16,050 for context. He went in September and I went 855 00:34:16,060 --> 00:34:17,770 in January. Yeah, he had two terms without 856 00:34:17,780 --> 00:34:18,550 me. Yeah. 857 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:21,290 It was just because of like situations of job sharing and 858 00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:22,429 stuff like that the people are doing. 859 00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:23,760 Was always ready to go in September. 860 00:34:23,810 --> 00:34:26,920 So those, those from September to December, I think that was 861 00:34:26,929 --> 00:34:28,340 2021. Hmm. 862 00:34:28,969 --> 00:34:33,630 That was probably my favourite 3 months ever of, of like Jane of 863 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:35,880 like life. Because you know, anyone who 864 00:34:35,889 --> 00:34:38,310 knows I'd won millionaire, I'd one who wants to be millionaire. 865 00:34:38,350 --> 00:34:41,610 So I had, I had that financial stability which was huge and a 866 00:34:41,620 --> 00:34:43,679 massive thing that we're kind of not even brought up yet is that, 867 00:34:43,690 --> 00:34:46,469 you know, flexible working doesn't mean you are less had 868 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,760 that financial stability. I want to play golf on my 869 00:34:48,770 --> 00:34:51,310 Thursdays, knowing I was playing golf when I would have been 870 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,560 really stressed, trying to make sure, you know, everything's 871 00:34:53,570 --> 00:34:55,840 done and I'll have a break time and I can just get my lunch prep 872 00:34:55,850 --> 00:34:57,500 because I've got to go and do one afternoon. 873 00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:59,360 I said I just went and played golf. 874 00:34:59,430 --> 00:35:02,700 Yeah, with my mate who was off and I just chilled out. 875 00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:06,220 And that reset helped me massively every time we needed 876 00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:08,440 it. Yeah, because we'd spent, we'd 877 00:35:08,450 --> 00:35:11,930 spent the three years before that not just working part time. 878 00:35:11,940 --> 00:35:13,500 Sorry, not just working full. Time. 879 00:35:13,820 --> 00:35:16,670 So I'm not exaggerating, I'm exaggerate a lot, so I'm trying 880 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,570 not to exaggerate here. I'd say we spent the three years 881 00:35:19,580 --> 00:35:24,940 before that working seven days a week for like for at least 90% 882 00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:25,650 of the weeks a. Year. 883 00:35:25,660 --> 00:35:27,580 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Genuinely like because we did 884 00:35:27,590 --> 00:35:29,790 our full time job obviously and then we run the business on the 885 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,480 weekends and evenings. We treat half terms like 886 00:35:32,930 --> 00:35:34,860 finally, time for business. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 887 00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:37,520 It was crazy. And we were just burning out 888 00:35:37,530 --> 00:35:39,920 because we know it's just mad. I agree. 889 00:35:39,930 --> 00:35:41,860 By the way, the same sort of experience at the start, it was 890 00:35:41,870 --> 00:35:44,260 just like pure euphoria where I was like, I can't believe I'm 891 00:35:44,270 --> 00:35:45,340 not at school. It felt naughty. 892 00:35:45,350 --> 00:35:46,800 Didn't. Yeah, we felt like we couldn't 893 00:35:46,810 --> 00:35:48,470 go out. People might see us, like my 894 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,720 question went to school. Yeah. 895 00:35:49,790 --> 00:35:52,160 But you know, we, we started things like Wednesday night 896 00:35:52,170 --> 00:35:56,270 beer, you know, Wednesday. After school. 897 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,650 Became our Friday yeah, so we have that went. 898 00:35:59,660 --> 00:36:04,430 Didn't It didn't last long. But being but how do you? 899 00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:06,560 Do you feel the same now or has it changed? 900 00:36:06,570 --> 00:36:09,300 Yeah, it's changed massively. It's, it becomes the new normal, 901 00:36:09,310 --> 00:36:10,920 doesn't it? And this, this is the worry 902 00:36:10,930 --> 00:36:14,500 about it. I, I still think it's, I, I'm a 903 00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:16,180 much better level than I ever was, right. 904 00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:18,570 So we peaked at like the four over and we did it. 905 00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:21,160 It's never gone back to what it was beforehand, I think. 906 00:36:21,310 --> 00:36:24,200 And if you're at home thinking, God, I am so burnt out. 907 00:36:24,290 --> 00:36:27,620 And if you look at just do the maths and see what your impact 908 00:36:27,630 --> 00:36:30,940 on actually have on your salary, because dropping dropping two 909 00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:32,980 days is 40% of the time you're in school. 910 00:36:34,030 --> 00:36:36,950 It doesn't translate to a 40% drop in what you earn just 911 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,810 because of the. Tax was around 25%. 912 00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:41,890 Yeah, take home pay. Yeah, so just just, I know money 913 00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:43,610 is really tight at the minute, but just look at what you'd 914 00:36:43,620 --> 00:36:46,310 actually lose and see if there's ways that you can kind of make 915 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,350 that money up. A lot of people could make that 916 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,320 money up or at least a chunk of it through just doing a couple 917 00:36:50,330 --> 00:36:52,970 of hours of private tutoring, find one or two clients like 918 00:36:52,980 --> 00:36:54,920 you, you could make up a nice chunk of that money. 919 00:36:54,930 --> 00:36:56,830 So that's what I'd say to anyone listening now going, well, of 920 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,240 course these guys could do it. Then the business, I think it's, 921 00:36:59,250 --> 00:37:02,170 I think it's very viable for a lot of people and the mental 922 00:37:02,180 --> 00:37:05,070 health impact is insane and it raise up your mind if you're 923 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,420 thinking now I can't tutor because I'm working full time 924 00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:11,380 and I'm getting so stressed out. That would transform with those 925 00:37:11,390 --> 00:37:12,740 days off. And you can use those days off 926 00:37:12,750 --> 00:37:14,800 at your leisure just to spend some hours, you know, finding 927 00:37:14,810 --> 00:37:16,320 it. So yeah, I mean, it's different 928 00:37:16,330 --> 00:37:19,420 now because I look at the three days and, and I honestly think I 929 00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:21,120 could, I could, I'd be happy with two days now. 930 00:37:21,130 --> 00:37:23,440 Yeah. Because yeah, the business is 931 00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:24,490 growing. We've got other stuff you want 932 00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:27,340 in the business, but also just like, you know, I, I'd look at 933 00:37:27,350 --> 00:37:30,080 it and, and again the drop every time you drop because you've got 934 00:37:30,090 --> 00:37:32,200 a tax free allowance of about 12 1/2 grand. 935 00:37:32,370 --> 00:37:34,360 So you can earn that much before you're taxed. 936 00:37:34,410 --> 00:37:37,240 So every day you drop off, you're losing taxed income. 937 00:37:37,310 --> 00:37:40,360 That's why it's not and not the untaxed income. 938 00:37:40,370 --> 00:37:44,010 So again, if you dropped one more day, that's a 1/3. 939 00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:46,090 Drop in how much you're in school, you'll pay. 940 00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:48,490 Would not go down by a third. You pay might go down by 20% 941 00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:50,960 again, about 1/4 again I think. I think 3rd to 1/4 is actually a 942 00:37:50,970 --> 00:37:53,540 really good ratio in terms of dropping down and compared to 943 00:37:53,550 --> 00:37:55,820 your actual take home pay drop is about 1/4, not 1/3. 944 00:37:56,470 --> 00:38:01,040 So something to consider, but what I would say is it really, 945 00:38:01,050 --> 00:38:03,840 really worked for me and I'll come back to you in a second. 946 00:38:03,850 --> 00:38:05,290 I and I know it worked for you though. 947 00:38:05,330 --> 00:38:08,990 And I would say that if flexible working wasn't something that we 948 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,660 could do as teachers, we'd be another one of the statistics. 949 00:38:11,730 --> 00:38:14,140 And at the end of the day, recruitment and retention is an 950 00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:17,160 insane problem. This kept us in the profession 951 00:38:17,170 --> 00:38:21,420 that we literally love. So, you know, we moan a lot 952 00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:23,900 about it because we love it and we want to teach forever. 953 00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:26,220 And I want it to be a really enticing profession. 954 00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:27,780 And there's only one reason I'm still doing it. 955 00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:30,960 And by the way, the thing that's only thing that's drawn me out 956 00:38:30,970 --> 00:38:34,340 of the teaching world as a teacher is our education 957 00:38:34,350 --> 00:38:35,820 business. We are passionate about 958 00:38:35,830 --> 00:38:38,010 education. So I, I don't know if it's 959 00:38:38,020 --> 00:38:40,880 something that can actually help fix this retention problem 960 00:38:41,010 --> 00:38:44,160 without doing too much extra funding, which just isn't going 961 00:38:44,170 --> 00:38:47,150 to happen, then I think it's necessary and it's a good thing. 962 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,300 What about you? What you thought? 963 00:38:48,430 --> 00:38:50,180 I don't have too much more to add really because I think we 964 00:38:50,190 --> 00:38:52,220 had a similar experience. I just want to really make it 965 00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:55,580 clear that once that honeymoon period was over of us going part 966 00:38:55,590 --> 00:39:00,330 time, I did very much return to a similar state as before, like 967 00:39:00,340 --> 00:39:03,840 you said, a new normal. The difference being I wasn't as 968 00:39:03,850 --> 00:39:06,500 physically and mentally drained anymore. 969 00:39:06,590 --> 00:39:08,700 That's that's the difference. But in terms of my happiness, 970 00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:10,930 and people often don't want to talk about happiness or they 971 00:39:10,940 --> 00:39:13,120 feel they have to pretend I'm, oh, I'm happier now because of 972 00:39:13,130 --> 00:39:16,520 this things like I am no happier than I was when we were full 973 00:39:16,530 --> 00:39:20,080 time running a business. Genuinely, I'm no happier, but 974 00:39:20,090 --> 00:39:22,470 I'm not as worn out. I think that's probably the way 975 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,920 to put it. So I'm still glad I did it. 976 00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:28,740 But you know, the high did come back down and I'm a new state of 977 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:29,910 that. We've watched those. 978 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,960 Happiness is relative, isn't it is relative, completely 979 00:39:31,970 --> 00:39:33,560 relative. You could not work at all and be 980 00:39:33,570 --> 00:39:36,120 exactly as happy as you are right now or you could, you 981 00:39:36,130 --> 00:39:38,730 know, there are other factors. So I think it's important to 982 00:39:38,740 --> 00:39:40,830 keep in mind, we have this next conversation about flexible 983 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,450 working and how it's not an automatic fix is that's kind of 984 00:39:43,460 --> 00:39:46,620 what we're saying. But in terms of stress, in terms 985 00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:50,360 of burnout, in terms of exhaustion, that can link to 986 00:39:50,370 --> 00:39:52,210 happiness, Obviously we're not as stressed and not as burnt 987 00:39:52,220 --> 00:39:52,960 out. You're not going to be 988 00:39:52,970 --> 00:39:56,170 absolutely, absolutely right. So less of the negative, less of 989 00:39:56,180 --> 00:39:57,560 the negative emotions. Put it that way. 990 00:39:57,570 --> 00:40:00,450 My baseline is still about the same, but I don't feel as 991 00:40:00,460 --> 00:40:02,990 stressed and negative as I as regularly as I was feeling. 992 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,430 Because there's something insane looking. 993 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,930 I I look back at my, there was always the same point in the 994 00:40:07,940 --> 00:40:11,330 year when I was working full time when I would say to you, I 995 00:40:11,390 --> 00:40:12,730 don't wanna do this anymore. Yeah, I'm gonna. 996 00:40:12,740 --> 00:40:14,170 I'm gonna. I'm gonna quit and it was 997 00:40:14,180 --> 00:40:15,890 basically the end of every big time. 998 00:40:15,940 --> 00:40:17,330 Yeah. So getting towards the end 999 00:40:17,340 --> 00:40:18,680 towards Christmas, I'm like, I can't do it. 1000 00:40:18,690 --> 00:40:22,470 I'm so tired end of Easter and in the summer I can't do this 1001 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,460 anymore. But I have genuinely not had 1002 00:40:25,470 --> 00:40:28,850 that feeling of I am exhausted at the end of the term. 1003 00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:30,880 Oh my God. Like complete exhaustion. 1004 00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:32,600 Yeah, obviously end of the time he gets tired. 1005 00:40:32,610 --> 00:40:34,760 We still work, you know, we still work and still have a 1006 00:40:34,770 --> 00:40:37,150 break in the half time now, but I I haven't it's not been. 1007 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,860 The same being part time has highlighted how how stressful 1008 00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:43,370 the job of teaching is. Yeah, and some people listen to 1009 00:40:43,380 --> 00:40:45,570 this and I know my mates probably ohh teaching you're 1010 00:40:45,580 --> 00:40:47,460 really hard job as if there's not other hard jobs. 1011 00:40:47,470 --> 00:40:49,030 I get it. I'm never commenting on other 1012 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,160 jobs not being hard or hard. I'm just saying teaching is. 1013 00:40:51,170 --> 00:40:52,270 Really. Well, the Instagram comments 1014 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,700 section I think you will, honest to God. 1015 00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:59,140 Yeah, but having our two days at home where we work just as many 1016 00:40:59,150 --> 00:41:02,140 hours as we were doing a teaching day because because we 1017 00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:05,880 still need to put in the time. I don't feel 10% as knackered 1018 00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:08,600 after on a Thursday or Friday at the end of the day as I do on a 1019 00:41:08,610 --> 00:41:10,340 Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. When I'm at school, if that 1020 00:41:10,350 --> 00:41:12,580 isn't to me proof that teaching's insane. 1021 00:41:12,590 --> 00:41:14,390 Like, I actually don't care, other people say. 1022 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,510 Anymore it's so. Exhausting is insane, So 1023 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,320 exhausting. And I'm actually at the point 1024 00:41:18,330 --> 00:41:21,200 now where if someone honestly just what had just has a 1025 00:41:21,210 --> 00:41:23,720 run-of-the-mill office job. I'm not degrading your job 1026 00:41:23,730 --> 00:41:26,180 whatsoever or saying it's not important or what you're doing 1027 00:41:26,190 --> 00:41:27,380 is is pointless. Yeah. 1028 00:41:27,390 --> 00:41:30,700 What I am saying though is it is not remotely as tiring as 1029 00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:34,200 teaching 32 children all day with the admin that goes around 1030 00:41:34,210 --> 00:41:35,560 it. Yeah, it just isn't. 1031 00:41:35,610 --> 00:41:38,320 I'm sorry it's more stressful. Yeah, I agree. 1032 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,680 But if you're going to compare it to like a Labour job or some 1033 00:41:40,690 --> 00:41:42,590 sort, I don't know. Probably different kind of 1034 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,180 exhaustion. Different kind of education I 1035 00:41:44,190 --> 00:41:45,570 find. Actually the mental exhaustion 1036 00:41:45,580 --> 00:41:46,640 more than the physical exhaustion. 1037 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,340 A bit of physical exertion. But what I'm saying with with 1038 00:41:50,350 --> 00:41:52,200 labouring, that would be a physical exhaustion, physical 1039 00:41:52,210 --> 00:41:54,940 which is different to teaching, which is just an all out mental 1040 00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:55,970 exhaustion. Yeah. 1041 00:41:55,980 --> 00:41:56,960 Yeah. Like it's insane. 1042 00:41:56,970 --> 00:41:57,790 Yeah. It's weird, isn't it? 1043 00:41:57,830 --> 00:41:59,760 We're bum tricky job. Yeah. 1044 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,730 So in terms of flexible working in general, we literally live 1045 00:42:02,740 --> 00:42:04,840 flexible working and we're huge advocates for it. 1046 00:42:05,010 --> 00:42:09,630 And I suppose what I want to talk about is the fact it's in 1047 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,680 the news at the minute as well. That's why I wanted to have this 1048 00:42:11,690 --> 00:42:13,470 podcast. Before they working week well. 1049 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,510 Yeah, you talked about that. You said the Green Party 1050 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,970 manifesto has come out, the Green Party, Let's be clear, 1051 00:42:18,980 --> 00:42:21,570 we're not gonna get into power. But what, what these kind of 1052 00:42:21,580 --> 00:42:23,910 fringe parties can do is just put stuff in the discourse. 1053 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,390 I suppose that's, that's yeah, 100%. 1054 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,470 And the idea of, you know, four day working weeks been around 1055 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,050 for a long time. There's been trials and stuff. 1056 00:42:29,060 --> 00:42:32,710 And we've always, yeah. But we've always talked about 1057 00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:35,290 how education does just feel different. 1058 00:42:35,340 --> 00:42:38,250 It does just feel different. So firstly, let's think about 1059 00:42:38,260 --> 00:42:39,730 what's been in the news of education. 1060 00:42:39,740 --> 00:42:42,340 Like what could we actually do? What, what might flexible 1061 00:42:42,350 --> 00:42:43,950 working look like? And we talked about going part 1062 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,370 time. That's the most obvious version 1063 00:42:45,380 --> 00:42:47,300 of flexible working. But I've seen some other bits 1064 00:42:47,310 --> 00:42:49,100 and I'm gonna, I'm gonna send them to you and you're gonna 1065 00:42:49,110 --> 00:42:51,780 tell me what you think. Yeah, I've seen, I've seen a 1066 00:42:51,790 --> 00:42:56,150 school in the UK who said every single Friday school finishes at 1067 00:42:56,590 --> 00:42:58,040 half 12. I was going to mention this. 1068 00:42:58,050 --> 00:42:58,460 As well. Yeah. 1069 00:42:58,470 --> 00:43:00,600 So, you know, the school finished half 12, go home, 1070 00:43:00,610 --> 00:43:02,660 whatever, crack on. Yeah, that's a good idea. 1071 00:43:02,670 --> 00:43:04,780 Or not. I, I like the idea. 1072 00:43:04,850 --> 00:43:06,960 I read that article and I read into a bit more detail. 1073 00:43:06,970 --> 00:43:09,360 There's some quotes from some teachers that were like, oh, 1074 00:43:09,370 --> 00:43:12,520 it's great because now you know, I get the odd long weekend away 1075 00:43:12,530 --> 00:43:15,060 now because I'll go out, I'll go away on the Friday, literally 1076 00:43:15,070 --> 00:43:17,650 like lunchtime and go away Friday, Saturday, Sunday and 1077 00:43:17,660 --> 00:43:18,940 come back. And it's really, really nice for 1078 00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:19,840 that. And I was like, that's, that's a 1079 00:43:19,850 --> 00:43:22,290 cool idea. But then I read in the same 1080 00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:25,040 article that and I don't know why I'm surprised. 1081 00:43:25,050 --> 00:43:27,080 Obviously this is happening, but they all they've done is 1082 00:43:27,090 --> 00:43:28,780 condense all of those hours into the week. 1083 00:43:28,850 --> 00:43:30,660 Yeah, it's the same amount of working hours. 1084 00:43:30,670 --> 00:43:32,900 It's just that Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday with a 1085 00:43:32,910 --> 00:43:34,580 longer days. That's what the four week is, by 1086 00:43:34,590 --> 00:43:36,500 the way, four day week is because I don't know a lot. 1087 00:43:36,510 --> 00:43:37,280 I'm very. Naive. 1088 00:43:37,290 --> 00:43:37,940 A lot. A lot of it. 1089 00:43:37,950 --> 00:43:39,550 Some of it's not. Some of it's the same of time, 1090 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,130 but some of it Is 10 hour days for four days OK instead of 1091 00:43:42,140 --> 00:43:44,180 eight hour days for five. Days, so I want that. 1092 00:43:44,190 --> 00:43:47,540 That made me, I don't know if this is right, rightful emotions 1093 00:43:47,550 --> 00:43:49,160 or not, but I was a bit like, oh, it's just a gimmick. 1094 00:43:49,170 --> 00:43:50,670 Then it's the same amount of work. 1095 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,960 I'm going to be just as tired. I'm just condensing it into 1096 00:43:52,970 --> 00:43:55,880 different days and then I thought or would I and actually 1097 00:43:55,890 --> 00:43:57,270 I don't know. So this is where I want to hear 1098 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,340 what your opinion. Is no, I I've thought really 1099 00:44:00,350 --> 00:44:01,590 interesting. I read about it too and I saw 1100 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,890 they made the days longer because I thought initially when 1101 00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:07,330 I saw this, I thought, yeah, they've just made Friday PA Hmm. 1102 00:44:07,370 --> 00:44:10,010 And like, you know, but no, they school literally. 1103 00:44:10,020 --> 00:44:11,920 Closes then. I basically worked in a school 1104 00:44:11,930 --> 00:44:13,310 that did this didn't. I Yeah. 1105 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,920 I worked. I worked in a school once he was 1106 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:16,190 as a free. School. 1107 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:17,650 So when you said you don't know how you feel? 1108 00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:19,440 Yeah, it wasn't exactly like this. 1109 00:44:19,450 --> 00:44:22,510 It was a bit different, but. You mentioned this before 1110 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:23,870 because you had basically finished. 1111 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,090 You started early every day and finished earlier every. 1112 00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:27,480 Day finished later. Sorry. 1113 00:44:27,490 --> 00:44:28,560 Sorry. The school finished there, but 1114 00:44:28,570 --> 00:44:29,010 you didn't? Yeah. 1115 00:44:29,020 --> 00:44:30,860 So the kids came in at 8:15. Yeah. 1116 00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:34,140 And they finished at four. Yeah, but you didn't. 1117 00:44:34,190 --> 00:44:35,960 But I didn't on every day. So they did that Monday to 1118 00:44:35,970 --> 00:44:37,400 Thursday. So from the kids perspective, it 1119 00:44:37,410 --> 00:44:40,140 was 8:15 till 4:00 Monday to Thursday, and on a Friday it was 1120 00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:42,680 8:15 until 3:15. That was a bit more of a normal 1121 00:44:42,690 --> 00:44:44,280 day. So it's not even shorter the 1122 00:44:44,290 --> 00:44:44,760 last. Day No. 1123 00:44:44,770 --> 00:44:46,540 For the kids. For the kids it wasn't, but for 1124 00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:50,990 the teachers we had to do to to do the Friday was normal. 1125 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,670 We just everyone had to do Friday is normal. 1126 00:44:52,750 --> 00:44:54,850 But for the four days that were a bit weird, that went to a 1127 00:44:54,860 --> 00:45:00,550 4/4/15, 4:00, whatever it was we had to do 8:15 until 2:00 on two 1128 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,290 of the days, Yeah, 8:15 until 4:00 on two other. 1129 00:45:04,300 --> 00:45:06,110 Days right so this you're just told my PA. 1130 00:45:07,830 --> 00:45:09,300 Ohh yeah, it was. Yeah, so so. 1131 00:45:09,310 --> 00:45:10,960 I think it's a finish earlier. No. 1132 00:45:10,970 --> 00:45:13,000 So this, this, this whole thing, the thing I was gonna say here 1133 00:45:13,010 --> 00:45:16,450 is I thought it was just P on a Friday, but it's not, right. 1134 00:45:16,460 --> 00:45:18,150 This is the whole school where it's condensed. 1135 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,180 Ohh yeah. Into 4 1/2 days and then PPA 1136 00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:23,560 still within that. So it would still feel good. 1137 00:45:23,630 --> 00:45:26,670 What I was going to say about this example here of flexible 1138 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,260 working, leaving early on a Friday is great. 1139 00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:30,440 And it might work for a lot of people. 1140 00:45:30,450 --> 00:45:32,160 It might be, it might be, it might be sound. 1141 00:45:32,170 --> 00:45:36,220 It might be a great idea, but it only works if the outer workload 1142 00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:39,140 is also reduced. If the workload we have to do 1143 00:45:39,150 --> 00:45:42,310 outside of the job is still just as much as in lots of schools 1144 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,160 where it's a problem. Yeah, then all you're doing is 1145 00:45:44,170 --> 00:45:46,900 just stretching out the day even more because the day is already 1146 00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:47,960 longer. As a teacher, Yeah. 1147 00:45:47,970 --> 00:45:50,350 Name one teacher who actually finishes at 3:15 when the school 1148 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:51,140 finished. Of course they don't. 1149 00:45:51,150 --> 00:45:53,400 They finish at 5:15. So if you're making the day 1150 00:45:53,410 --> 00:45:56,070 finish at 4:15, all you're actually doing to a teacher is 1151 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,120 making that day finish at 6:15 on those. 1152 00:45:58,130 --> 00:46:00,650 So that's even more stressful. So if you're going to have these 1153 00:46:00,660 --> 00:46:03,720 longer days as a teacher, that might work in an office when you 1154 00:46:03,730 --> 00:46:05,190 go in early, leave early, but that's it. 1155 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,480 Yeah. As a teacher, that doesn't 1156 00:46:06,490 --> 00:46:08,530 necessarily work if you have these longer days because you'll 1157 00:46:08,540 --> 00:46:10,700 have to spend an hour prepping in the early in the morning and 1158 00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:12,770 you're gonna have to stay late to do your marking and stuff. 1159 00:46:12,820 --> 00:46:14,930 So I don't necessarily think this is the win. 1160 00:46:15,460 --> 00:46:17,230 But I'd be interested to hear from people that have. 1161 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,030 I don't have anyone listening has actually experienced that 1162 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,750 exact situation. I know it's only like a couple 1163 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,360 of schools have done it, but I don't know my, my gut feeling is 1164 00:46:25,570 --> 00:46:27,510 my gut feeling is it would be the exact same experience that 1165 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,780 we've had in the past, which is would it would be a cool gimmick 1166 00:46:29,790 --> 00:46:31,980 at 1st and there'd be a bit of like whoa. 1167 00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:34,070 And then it returned and you'd feel exactly the same. 1168 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,830 Yeah, I think, I think it's different to what we do because 1169 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,100 we literally dropped 2 days of. Work No, I know, but I mean I 1170 00:46:38,110 --> 00:46:40,100 just meant that that it might feel good. 1171 00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:42,540 I reckon a lot of people is so much better, but give it a year. 1172 00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:45,660 I my gut feeling is you're probably because you are doing 1173 00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:47,480 the same amount of work in the week you're probably gonna. 1174 00:46:47,490 --> 00:46:49,480 You're gonna feel worse on the days when you do a longer. 1175 00:46:49,490 --> 00:46:50,640 Right. Yeah, it's gonna be absolutely. 1176 00:46:50,650 --> 00:46:53,000 But at the end of the day, you can't argue with, you know, at 1177 00:46:53,010 --> 00:46:54,900 least something along the weekend that's kind of cool. 1178 00:46:54,940 --> 00:46:57,180 Another thing. So was it? 1179 00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:59,160 This would require more funding I suppose, but a lot of schools 1180 00:46:59,170 --> 00:47:02,540 give extra PPL already and it was to make PPE for anyone who 1181 00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:04,300 doesn't work in a school is planning, preparation and 1182 00:47:04,310 --> 00:47:07,230 assessment time. As a teacher, you get 10% of 1183 00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:10,540 your teaching time in a week is given to you as time out of the 1184 00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:12,820 classroom to prep stuff. We've done jokes before about 1185 00:47:12,830 --> 00:47:16,340 how that doesn't remotely cover the time to prep, but so that 1186 00:47:16,350 --> 00:47:19,240 what that translates to is half a day every week that teachers 1187 00:47:19,250 --> 00:47:21,840 get out of the classroom. And something that I've seen 1188 00:47:22,010 --> 00:47:24,500 battered around lately just to try and incentivise the job 1189 00:47:24,510 --> 00:47:26,970 again a bit more because, you know, hybrid working isn't 1190 00:47:26,980 --> 00:47:28,660 something that's possible in schools and we'll talk about 1191 00:47:28,670 --> 00:47:32,590 that, but is to have a whole day of PA, just the whole day of PA 1192 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,310 where, you know, you're you, your children are still in 1193 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,870 school. So from a children's point of 1194 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,630 view, it's that a full week of school, but their teacher is not 1195 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,450 in on Thursday, let's say, or Monday or whatever it is. 1196 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,150 And that day, perhaps they have sports coaches in the morning 1197 00:47:45,220 --> 00:47:47,850 and they have, you know, specialist musician music 1198 00:47:47,860 --> 00:47:50,240 teachers or Spanish teachers or drama, whatever it is in the 1199 00:47:50,250 --> 00:47:53,120 afternoon or even just normal curriculum covered by a higher 1200 00:47:53,130 --> 00:47:54,610 level teaching assistant, whatever. 1201 00:47:55,350 --> 00:47:58,340 And that really interests me a lot more than the first one 1202 00:47:58,350 --> 00:48:00,560 because the first one, just like, you know, moving jigsaw 1203 00:48:00,570 --> 00:48:02,440 pieces around. Yeah, this one is actually 1204 00:48:02,510 --> 00:48:04,620 putting some jigsaw pieces in the bin and not having to do it 1205 00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:05,240 anymore. I agree. 1206 00:48:05,250 --> 00:48:08,870 So this this one to me really, really piques my interest. 1207 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,700 I don't know what you think about having a whole day PPA. 1208 00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:14,440 And the big thing for me was the freedom to not have to come in 1209 00:48:14,530 --> 00:48:16,540 on that day and, you know, do whatever you want. 1210 00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:18,120 To well, let's put the two elements of that then. 1211 00:48:18,130 --> 00:48:21,540 So first of all, I think a whole day PPA, even if you're in 1212 00:48:21,550 --> 00:48:25,860 school, would have an enormous impact on workload production. 1213 00:48:25,930 --> 00:48:29,330 I think it's a great idea. I think it's mental that we've 1214 00:48:29,340 --> 00:48:33,570 got to 2024 and we still the, the, the powers that be still 1215 00:48:33,580 --> 00:48:37,440 think 10% of time out of teaching is enough to remotely 1216 00:48:37,450 --> 00:48:40,340 get anything done. But doesn't just impact teachers 1217 00:48:40,350 --> 00:48:41,840 free time on the weekends and evenings. 1218 00:48:42,090 --> 00:48:43,270 Whole day. Great idea. 1219 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,100 We should absolutely be pushing for that and fighting for that. 1220 00:48:45,150 --> 00:48:50,030 Even better if you have that flexibility to go home on PA. 1221 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:51,910 So let's just about in general, what do you think about that in 1222 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,560 general, even schools that just have normal PA, do you think it 1223 00:48:54,570 --> 00:48:58,420 should be widely accepted and normal to be able to just go 1224 00:48:58,430 --> 00:49:00,760 home during PPA and do what you want in that time? 1225 00:49:00,770 --> 00:49:02,460 Or do you think it should be something that's like, oh, you 1226 00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:03,800 do what you want, but you gotta stay in school? 1227 00:49:03,810 --> 00:49:05,920 Cause yeah, I was gonna ask you about this because it's 1228 00:49:05,930 --> 00:49:08,670 something I've heard a lot of, especially after since COVID, 1229 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,480 because in COVID time you wanted to spend as little time as 1230 00:49:11,490 --> 00:49:12,680 possible in buildings where people. 1231 00:49:12,690 --> 00:49:14,310 So it was policy for a lot of schools. 1232 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,700 Where go get out of you. Literally have to go home. 1233 00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:18,460 It's not even not even doing you a favour. 1234 00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:20,480 It's just don't spend a little time this building as possible. 1235 00:49:20,490 --> 00:49:21,900 Go home because you're not teaching. 1236 00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:26,250 I was going to ask you because my gut instinct is it's a it's a 1237 00:49:26,260 --> 00:49:29,480 really good idea to give the professional, which is, again, I 1238 00:49:29,490 --> 00:49:31,170 think it's something we forget a lot of teaching. 1239 00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:34,130 We are professionals. We are a profession. 1240 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,250 We've been highly trained to do this job. 1241 00:49:36,260 --> 00:49:38,770 Yeah. And we are entrusted to, to plan 1242 00:49:38,780 --> 00:49:41,550 and assess stuff mostly in our own time anyway. 1243 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,490 So with that level of trust should come the level of trust 1244 00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:46,340 to do that as and when we wish. Yeah. 1245 00:49:46,490 --> 00:49:48,890 But what I was going to ask you is so obviously, yes to me is 1246 00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:49,980 the answer. You should be able to take 1247 00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:50,930 whatever you want. Yeah. 1248 00:49:50,940 --> 00:49:53,630 What do you think though, about schools where, let's be honest, 1249 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,700 right now, there are some teachers who maybe are falling 1250 00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:59,100 behind in their work, aren't aren't doing their planning. 1251 00:49:59,110 --> 00:50:01,560 And you know, we can talk about whether they should be planning 1252 00:50:01,570 --> 00:50:03,550 at home or not. But the teachers who just need a 1253 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,720 bit more support aren't necessarily following the school 1254 00:50:06,730 --> 00:50:09,560 ethos, let's say of planning all the school guidelines of how to 1255 00:50:09,570 --> 00:50:12,720 do things correctly. Where do you stand on a school 1256 00:50:12,730 --> 00:50:18,560 then using that almost as like a not, I guess a punishment, but a 1257 00:50:18,570 --> 00:50:21,820 genuine way though to say, well, we want to give you some 1258 00:50:21,830 --> 00:50:24,620 support. OK, So not, not talking toxicity 1259 00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:27,210 right now, which we all know exist, I'm talking about schools 1260 00:50:27,220 --> 00:50:28,280 like I want to give you some support. 1261 00:50:28,290 --> 00:50:31,040 You've got some PDA time. I wanna come and support you in 1262 00:50:31,050 --> 00:50:32,630 this planning. Wanna come and help you as your, 1263 00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:35,710 as your SLT. Yeah, I wanna make you better. 1264 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,610 And actually you are underperforming. 1265 00:50:37,660 --> 00:50:39,810 So it's part of my job to make sure it's making sure you're 1266 00:50:39,820 --> 00:50:42,560 performing. What do you say to would you 1267 00:50:42,570 --> 00:50:44,650 then have to say to all your staff, OK, no one can go home 1268 00:50:44,660 --> 00:50:46,630 anymore? Or would you have a two tier 1269 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:47,470 system? Where? 1270 00:50:47,580 --> 00:50:49,920 OK yeah you're fine to go home but you need to stay here cause 1271 00:50:49,930 --> 00:50:50,540 I'm helping. You out? 1272 00:50:50,550 --> 00:50:52,690 Yeah, No, I I am completely against that. 1273 00:50:52,780 --> 00:50:56,470 I think the fundamental issue there is is the idea that SLT 1274 00:50:56,540 --> 00:50:58,380 get involved with your PBA, that that's it. 1275 00:50:58,390 --> 00:51:00,660 To me I'm like Nope, PA are protected. 1276 00:51:00,670 --> 00:51:05,410 Should be a protected time. I think a good manager needs to, 1277 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,370 if, if there's a problem that's out of the ordinary, then they 1278 00:51:08,380 --> 00:51:10,220 need to do out of the ordinary things to solve it. 1279 00:51:10,300 --> 00:51:12,750 They need to take them out of class in different times to do 1280 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,690 other things, to do various training, to do meetings, 1281 00:51:14,700 --> 00:51:17,070 whatever. I don't think it should then be. 1282 00:51:17,340 --> 00:51:18,730 And it is basically a punishment. 1283 00:51:18,740 --> 00:51:21,910 It's everyone else gets this freedom of PA, but you don't 1284 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,510 because you're not doing your job good enough. 1285 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,570 So I'm going to take away the bit of freedom you have and 1286 00:51:25,580 --> 00:51:27,290 we're going to use that time to solve it. 1287 00:51:27,380 --> 00:51:29,350 I think it should be no, you're entitled to that just like 1288 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,020 everybody else. It doesn't that PA isn't 1289 00:51:32,030 --> 00:51:33,810 dependent on how good you're doing your job. 1290 00:51:33,820 --> 00:51:36,330 I don't think it ever should be having, you know, it should be. 1291 00:51:36,340 --> 00:51:37,870 There should be other processes involved. 1292 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,040 That's what good managers to do. So I've heard of schools doing 1293 00:51:40,050 --> 00:51:42,590 that and I do think it's toxic. Think even if they try to say 1294 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,330 it's not toxic, I've heard of schools that have that allow 1295 00:51:45,340 --> 00:51:48,410 their teachers to do P at home, but haven't allowed some 1296 00:51:48,420 --> 00:51:51,090 teachers to do P at home or some or something along those lines. 1297 00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:53,230 I've had loads of schools that do that just doesn't sit right 1298 00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:55,410 as it doesn't sit right. All I'm like, no, you're just 1299 00:51:55,420 --> 00:51:56,950 firstly, you're it's embarrassing. 1300 00:51:57,020 --> 00:51:59,310 Two tier system. Yeah, two tiers is embarrassing. 1301 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,620 It's like a weird, you've now made PPA and meritocracy of like 1302 00:52:02,660 --> 00:52:04,320 some weird. So it's as if they're not 1303 00:52:04,330 --> 00:52:05,720 entitled to it already, you know. 1304 00:52:05,730 --> 00:52:07,720 Well, they both get the. PA is what they might say. 1305 00:52:07,790 --> 00:52:09,600 Yeah, but you don't if you're staying in school because I need 1306 00:52:09,610 --> 00:52:11,500 you here to do. Something but they're planning 1307 00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:12,670 like it would have been just gonna have. 1308 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:13,740 Support. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1309 00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:16,880 I just think you did that. And I thought he's gonna freak 1310 00:52:16,890 --> 00:52:18,460 out soon. As I told you no. 1311 00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:20,980 So in answer, absolutely not. It should never be, never be 1312 00:52:20,990 --> 00:52:22,140 done like that. I think everyone should be 1313 00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:23,980 entitled to PPA. And I also think everybody 1314 00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:26,310 should be entitled to have P at home or do it wherever they 1315 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:27,280 wish. And I don't think that should 1316 00:52:27,290 --> 00:52:29,260 ever be questioned genuinely. I think there's a single teacher 1317 00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:33,490 that shouldn't have that privilege because like you said, 1318 00:52:33,540 --> 00:52:36,530 on average we do 20 hours teachers on average, and this is 1319 00:52:36,540 --> 00:52:38,870 a stat, it was 20 hours, 18. Hours. 1320 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,470 It was between 10 and 20. OK, I think it was around 20 1321 00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,530 hours of overtime, free overtime, extra overtime a week 1322 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:50,490 on average for teachers. And if they are doing that to 1323 00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:53,890 get their job done, who, what manager on this planet is going 1324 00:52:53,900 --> 00:52:56,290 to be like, ohh, if they take their pet home, they might not 1325 00:52:56,300 --> 00:52:58,930 do their bloody work. They want to do work. 1326 00:52:58,940 --> 00:53:01,020 They might only choose to do the 20 hours they were going to do 1327 00:53:01,030 --> 00:53:03,750 anyway and not be we're going to do in that time. 1328 00:53:03,900 --> 00:53:05,940 But of course they're not. Of course not. 1329 00:53:05,950 --> 00:53:08,890 Do you know what? Even if they did go home and put 1330 00:53:08,900 --> 00:53:11,010 their feet up, they're still going to do the work. 1331 00:53:11,020 --> 00:53:13,110 They'll do it at the weekend when they do their other 5 1332 00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,360 million jobs. It's not going to not get done. 1333 00:53:15,450 --> 00:53:18,020 And if it's not getting done, then step in and sort it out. 1334 00:53:18,030 --> 00:53:19,570 Yeah, You're a manager. Do your job at that point. 1335 00:53:19,580 --> 00:53:23,090 Yeah, Basically, yeah. I find it hilarious because I 1336 00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:25,740 guess that moves really nicely into what I want to talk about 1337 00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:28,400 in terms of hybrid working. So you know what the government 1338 00:53:28,410 --> 00:53:30,740 have done in the last few years. And again, we cannot turn our 1339 00:53:30,750 --> 00:53:32,960 nose up at this because it's obviously a good thing, right, 1340 00:53:32,970 --> 00:53:35,850 that they have raised the starting salary to 50,000 lbs. 1341 00:53:35,860 --> 00:53:39,430 Yeah, they have decimated pay for a long time because that's, 1342 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,560 that's the that's the context. But yeah, you know, at least 1343 00:53:41,570 --> 00:53:45,300 they did bump up the starting salary a decent amount to at 1344 00:53:45,310 --> 00:53:48,000 least try and catch up somehow. They did something cool. 1345 00:53:48,270 --> 00:53:51,370 The bad news is it did nothing. So there were recruitment 1346 00:53:51,380 --> 00:53:55,860 numbers haven't improved. So it was something like 500 1347 00:53:55,870 --> 00:53:58,330 extra teachers when you take into account the people who left 1348 00:53:58,340 --> 00:54:00,720 teaching and the people who trained to become a teacher. 1349 00:54:00,790 --> 00:54:04,020 We've got 500 more teachers like this year, which is insanely 1350 00:54:04,030 --> 00:54:05,340 low. We need way more. 1351 00:54:05,350 --> 00:54:07,310 OK. I remember the 8.8% teachers 1352 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:08,560 left last year. Yeah. 1353 00:54:08,770 --> 00:54:10,420 And that's not including retirement. 1354 00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:12,030 Yeah. So when you include the people 1355 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,780 who trained, we missed the training target. 1356 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,140 And because we missed the training target, the net figure 1357 00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:18,360 was like 500 more teachers. We need way more teachers. 1358 00:54:18,370 --> 00:54:21,780 So that was completely wrong. And a big reason that's being 1359 00:54:21,790 --> 00:54:25,520 touted as to why this is happening is because teaching is 1360 00:54:25,530 --> 00:54:28,920 kind of trapped in almost like the Victorian era, I suppose, 1361 00:54:28,930 --> 00:54:30,740 but it's very much trapped pre COVID. 1362 00:54:30,910 --> 00:54:34,370 And I'm not necessarily sure it's teachings fault because I 1363 00:54:34,380 --> 00:54:37,410 think teaching has some limitations as to whether hybrid 1364 00:54:37,420 --> 00:54:39,150 working can even be introduced in the 1st place. 1365 00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,470 So for a lot of professions now, if you're a young professional, 1366 00:54:42,540 --> 00:54:45,330 the idea of being having some kind of hybrid working model 1367 00:54:45,340 --> 00:54:47,150 where you might go into the office one or two times a week 1368 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,390 where necessary, but you can crack on with your work at home, 1369 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,910 that's really appealing. And way more common. 1370 00:54:52,020 --> 00:54:55,330 Way more common now and and with teaching you have just got to 1371 00:54:55,340 --> 00:54:56,670 turn up and teach you lessons every day. 1372 00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,230 You know, there are children who come in because like it or not, 1373 00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:02,310 a chunk of our job is childcare. So people can go to work and 1374 00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,590 society can function. So, you know, it's not even a 1375 00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:05,930 bad thing. Of course we need the children 1376 00:55:05,940 --> 00:55:08,140 in school. And but the other part is that, 1377 00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:11,720 you know, teaching is for face to face purposes. 1378 00:55:11,890 --> 00:55:14,060 That's how we do it. We go in and we help children. 1379 00:55:14,130 --> 00:55:15,670 We can do boosters and stuff online. 1380 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,680 We can help children online, but the hybrid model doesn't really 1381 00:55:19,690 --> 00:55:23,000 work with teaching. So I guess my point here is how 1382 00:55:23,010 --> 00:55:25,950 can we have flexible working? How can we approach this? 1383 00:55:26,810 --> 00:55:30,100 But even when hybrid working is something that can't happen. 1384 00:55:30,290 --> 00:55:34,920 And the biggest kind of elephant in the room right now is we 1385 00:55:34,930 --> 00:55:37,780 already do hybrid working as teachers. 1386 00:55:37,790 --> 00:55:40,670 Like, you know, it wouldn't work in terms of the full time job. 1387 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,920 We actually have everyone like you can't do hybrid teaching. 1388 00:55:42,930 --> 00:55:44,360 You gotta be in school for your job. 1389 00:55:44,430 --> 00:55:46,870 So oh, yeah, that's that's weird because I do 20 hours of work a 1390 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,040 week at home. Yeah. 1391 00:55:48,090 --> 00:55:51,120 So, you know, I could do work at home as a hybrid teacher. 1392 00:55:51,170 --> 00:55:54,340 So teaching is already hybrid when you do a full time job 1393 00:55:54,350 --> 00:55:56,520 because you're doing lots of work in your own time and 1394 00:55:56,530 --> 00:56:01,660 evenings and weekend. How can we make this hybrid job 1395 00:56:01,730 --> 00:56:03,870 an actual hybrid job? Or is it impossible? 1396 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,260 What you think? I don't know. 1397 00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:07,860 I don't know if there's probably some wacky way that you could do 1398 00:56:07,870 --> 00:56:11,000 it I haven't thought of, but maybe just recognition of it. 1399 00:56:11,010 --> 00:56:13,250 What do you mean for a start? Like the fact that you're saying 1400 00:56:13,260 --> 00:56:15,200 it already is hybrid? But perhaps every Wednesday. 1401 00:56:16,690 --> 00:56:18,330 And teachers, thank you for doing the work. 1402 00:56:18,340 --> 00:56:22,370 Maybe recognition that by putting it into the job spec, 1403 00:56:22,380 --> 00:56:25,470 maybe that, yeah, you do do work at home in this time. 1404 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,330 It's hybrid working. You do these things at home, but 1405 00:56:27,340 --> 00:56:29,210 you get paid for. It, yeah, but that's that's 1406 00:56:29,220 --> 00:56:30,300 funding. So that's not gonna happen. 1407 00:56:30,310 --> 00:56:31,560 Yeah. So no. 1408 00:56:31,660 --> 00:56:34,120 So how do we do it? I don't know if we can. 1409 00:56:34,130 --> 00:56:35,630 Have you got any ideas? No, not really. 1410 00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,450 I think it's impossible. I think we need to be in the 1411 00:56:39,460 --> 00:56:42,990 room for childcare. Society needs to function. 1412 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,970 People are like ohh, teachers. We're not. 1413 00:56:44,980 --> 00:56:46,890 We're not child carers. Well, we are. 1414 00:56:46,970 --> 00:56:48,830 There you are. We are though, aren't we part of 1415 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:49,870 our job? No idea. 1416 00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:51,550 We were when we're at Centre Parks. 1417 00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,390 We went to a restaurant and do you remember how we were served 1418 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:59,650 our food in the Mexican place? Little Robot came over genuinely 1419 00:56:59,660 --> 00:57:03,870 just just by itself, came over all of our food on it, and then 1420 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,060 someone else came and gave us a plate. 1421 00:57:05,070 --> 00:57:07,520 So a bit gimmicky, but. Came over looking forward how 1422 00:57:07,530 --> 00:57:08,200 this is. Gonna happen. 1423 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,690 I'm thinking invest in robots, OK, with the funding we don't 1424 00:57:12,700 --> 00:57:18,820 have, I will record from. I'll just sit at home, OK, And 1425 00:57:18,830 --> 00:57:22,210 on the screen, prerecorded lessons, robot goes around, does 1426 00:57:22,220 --> 00:57:24,500 my job. I think that's the most insane 1427 00:57:24,510 --> 00:57:26,830 thing you've ever said. People are still listening. 1428 00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:27,600 Work. Thank you. 1429 00:57:27,710 --> 00:57:28,920 Wouldn't work. Yeah. 1430 00:57:28,930 --> 00:57:31,080 I guess the point I wanted to highlight with that kind of 1431 00:57:31,090 --> 00:57:33,720 hypothetical there is that we already have a hybrid job. 1432 00:57:33,790 --> 00:57:36,690 It's just that it's one and. 1/2 you look online though everyone 1433 00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:38,380 will be teaching your kids in no time. 1434 00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:40,150 It'll be robots before we know it. 1435 00:57:40,330 --> 00:57:42,500 Well, I I. Think I don't think it. 1436 00:57:42,510 --> 00:57:45,540 Will give it 5 to 10 years. Our kids are gonna have a 1437 00:57:45,550 --> 00:57:48,560 transformational experience. Yeah, I absolutely change the 1438 00:57:48,570 --> 00:57:50,360 world changes. Well, but yeah, you know, in 1439 00:57:50,370 --> 00:57:53,800 terms of flexible working going back to it, I don't think 1440 00:57:53,810 --> 00:57:56,480 hybrids reasonable. I don't think I don't I don't 1441 00:57:56,490 --> 00:58:01,700 think that it could possibly work in schools unless for I 1442 00:58:01,710 --> 00:58:05,360 don't know how this would work, but parents might have hybrid 1443 00:58:05,370 --> 00:58:07,780 jobs and therefore be able to have their children at home 1444 00:58:07,790 --> 00:58:09,410 certain days and they can do work. 1445 00:58:09,470 --> 00:58:12,600 But I don't think it will work. I think the way forward flexible 1446 00:58:12,610 --> 00:58:16,960 teacher for flexible working the teachers is to like we said 1447 00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:20,500 longer PPA, yeah and then you can be flexed with that job, but 1448 00:58:20,510 --> 00:58:23,640 the kids are still in school doing stuff and even that 1449 00:58:23,650 --> 00:58:25,520 timetable change at the very least is something that. 1450 00:58:25,530 --> 00:58:27,360 Could happen. Well, OK, all right then in the 1451 00:58:27,370 --> 00:58:30,480 real world then here's how flexible work, here's how I'm 1452 00:58:30,490 --> 00:58:32,520 calling it flexible work. I don't know it is really is 1453 00:58:32,530 --> 00:58:34,860 doing what we've done doing, doing job shares, making job 1454 00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:38,260 shares always, well, not always some people don't want it, but 1455 00:58:38,270 --> 00:58:41,880 making it more common that you can have job shares where you go 1456 00:58:41,890 --> 00:58:43,660 in a certain amount of days and someone else because they are, 1457 00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:45,890 there's a massive stigma. But that's not flexible working. 1458 00:58:46,250 --> 00:58:48,250 With them it's not flexible working, it's just. 1459 00:58:48,260 --> 00:58:49,820 Reducing because you get less. Power. 1460 00:58:49,830 --> 00:58:51,900 Now I know, I know yeah, but you know what at least in that 1461 00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:55,920 scenario if for example, when we when we wanted to go part time 1462 00:58:56,010 --> 00:58:59,850 when we were offered doing the mornings or five days a week and 1463 00:58:59,860 --> 00:59:03,520 doing the three days a week instead to me I'm like well the 1464 00:59:03,530 --> 00:59:05,700 three days it feels more flexible to do the three days a 1465 00:59:05,710 --> 00:59:08,210 week then I get 2 days back rather than doing 5 days at work 1466 00:59:08,220 --> 00:59:09,440 still. So at least in that scenario 1467 00:59:09,450 --> 00:59:12,340 there was a bit of a choice there and I know that doing job 1468 00:59:12,350 --> 00:59:15,200 share in days is quite frowned upon A lot of schools won't do 1469 00:59:15,210 --> 00:59:16,770 it. They actually have a blanket or 1470 00:59:16,780 --> 00:59:18,490 like we don't have to take. Jobs yeah we're really 1471 00:59:18,500 --> 00:59:20,410 interested to know how many people listening their schools 1472 00:59:20,420 --> 00:59:24,230 have a blanket no because I think even our school at some 1473 00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:25,930 point that there was like don't like them they. 1474 00:59:25,940 --> 00:59:28,190 Didn't want to have. Them don't like them, you don't 1475 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,460 like them at all. There is a stigma there with 1476 00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,190 flexible work and that needs to change. 1477 00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,330 That has to change in teaching education. 1478 00:59:34,420 --> 00:59:36,990 You, I'm not even going to pretend that there aren't pros 1479 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,460 and cons. And and when you say there are 1480 00:59:39,470 --> 00:59:42,340 cons to a job share as a leader, you'd be like, OK, well, don't 1481 00:59:42,350 --> 00:59:46,370 do them. But I think the pros mean we 1482 00:59:46,380 --> 00:59:48,500 have to make it work. We have to grow up. 1483 00:59:48,510 --> 00:59:49,890 We have to have a grown up conversation about it. 1484 00:59:49,900 --> 00:59:52,420 If you just have a blanket, no. When your staff come to you and 1485 00:59:52,430 --> 00:59:55,370 say, what about flexible working a blanket, no, cool. 1486 00:59:55,380 --> 00:59:56,780 You're starting to burn out. You gotta lose them. 1487 00:59:56,790 --> 00:59:58,170 Is that what you want? I was about to say. 1488 00:59:58,180 --> 01:00:00,450 Is that what you want? Is it probably sounds very like 1489 01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:02,160 up yourself doesn't. It no it sounds. 1490 01:00:02,170 --> 01:00:04,150 Like at the end of the day they would have lost two members of 1491 01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:05,370 staff. They have lost me and you at 1492 01:00:05,380 --> 01:00:06,460 that point. So the pro was kept. 1493 01:00:06,470 --> 01:00:08,390 Members of staff that worked here for years know the school 1494 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:13,600 and a bloody good. We didn't do a podcast at that 1495 01:00:13,610 --> 01:00:14,820 point. They regret. 1496 01:00:15,810 --> 01:00:17,660 Yeah, I don't know. I think, yeah, flexible working, 1497 01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:21,680 I can't, I can't think of a way comparably with other jobs that 1498 01:00:21,690 --> 01:00:23,600 actually have flexible working where you get to work. 1499 01:00:23,690 --> 01:00:25,700 I think it has to be built into things that already exist. 1500 01:00:25,740 --> 01:00:28,820 I don't think children can be spending less time in school. 1501 01:00:28,890 --> 01:00:30,740 Yeah, and that's, and that's my, I think that's where a lot of 1502 01:00:30,750 --> 01:00:32,760 people draw a line. And it's personally where I also 1503 01:00:32,770 --> 01:00:34,930 draw the line. If if flexible working means 1504 01:00:34,940 --> 01:00:38,640 that kids are learning from home one day a week and it's forced, 1505 01:00:38,990 --> 01:00:40,800 I think that's bad. I think there should be 1506 01:00:40,810 --> 01:00:43,210 provision where children going because we're seeing now, for 1507 01:00:43,220 --> 01:00:45,210 example, Labour in their manifesto have said about how 1508 01:00:45,220 --> 01:00:47,350 they're going to have breakfast club places that free. 1509 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,190 Yeah. So if anything, we're expanding 1510 01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,600 provision for children in school and that's going to get 1511 01:00:52,610 --> 01:00:56,350 hopefully working people back at work and childcare and things 1512 01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:57,990 like that. So I understand all of that. 1513 01:00:58,060 --> 01:01:01,310 I think it has to be built in where more bodies perhaps are in 1514 01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,350 school, but for less time each and. 1515 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,500 And the big one for me is PPA all day because that doesn't 1516 01:01:08,510 --> 01:01:10,670 affect the money you're getting, right. 1517 01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:13,930 It would be short, would cost some money obviously to get 1518 01:01:13,940 --> 01:01:15,710 cover for those mornings and stuff. 1519 01:01:15,780 --> 01:01:20,560 But when we're talking about a comparative to, you know, any 1520 01:01:20,570 --> 01:01:23,520 other option where children aren't in school or or, you 1521 01:01:23,530 --> 01:01:26,880 know, ploughing us with money, I think this is a cheaper option. 1522 01:01:26,890 --> 01:01:29,580 Idea about this and it is very, very similar. 1523 01:01:29,590 --> 01:01:31,980 I'm not going to claim as I've got some crazy new idea, but you 1524 01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:36,100 know, job share, no, no, but and this does come with a bit of 1525 01:01:36,110 --> 01:01:37,750 funding. So I get that it may be less 1526 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,380 realistic immediately because there's no money. 1527 01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:42,610 But thinking about that PA from home idea, let's say a school 1528 01:01:42,620 --> 01:01:45,120 was like, we just can't give you a whole day of PA. 1529 01:01:46,050 --> 01:01:48,620 However, you're going to get your normal amount of PA, which 1530 01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:51,360 is half a day, and you can still spend the rest of the day at 1531 01:01:51,370 --> 01:01:52,470 home. This is part of your our 1532 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,410 flexible working policy. From my lunch. 1533 01:01:54,460 --> 01:01:57,660 Yeah, it's, it's not PA, but you know, you're at home, you do 1534 01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:58,900 what you want. So in that time you don't have, 1535 01:01:58,910 --> 01:02:00,420 you can do what you want. You can work if you want. 1536 01:02:00,430 --> 01:02:02,550 To what do you mean it's not? Pi suppose it is the same thing 1537 01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:06,570 actually, it's just what it's just work, OK, But I'm imagining 1538 01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:10,130 the idea of funding specialists to come in to make it up to make 1539 01:02:10,140 --> 01:02:12,790 a flexible a flexible working calendar. 1540 01:02:12,860 --> 01:02:14,980 Well, so you happy baby, you choose when you take it. 1541 01:02:14,990 --> 01:02:17,380 Is that you mean? Yeah, I guess so at the 1542 01:02:17,390 --> 01:02:19,710 beginning of me talking, I forgot that PPA basically is 1543 01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,530 flexible working. That's essentially what PA. 1544 01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:25,120 Just doing their job, but it's not it's non contact time to do 1545 01:02:25,130 --> 01:02:25,880 the rest of. Your job, yeah. 1546 01:02:25,890 --> 01:02:28,300 But there is a reality, I think with a little bit of money where 1547 01:02:28,310 --> 01:02:31,660 it's where it's just completely normal that people get, like you 1548 01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:34,950 said, they can, they can choose their days or it maybe it is a 1549 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:36,830 set day or something. They can just be at home, maybe 1550 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,890 even more than one day. Just admit the PA 20 years 1551 01:02:39,900 --> 01:02:42,350 behind. But but shut up. 1552 01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,990 I don't see why they I just. I've got this idea why where 1553 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,940 teachers, they get an afternoon every week, they get one 1554 01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:50,510 afternoon. I think one afternoon, one 1555 01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,450 afternoon should be enough to do all the work they do outside of 1556 01:02:53,460 --> 01:02:55,390 school. What do you think about that? 1557 01:02:55,500 --> 01:02:57,760 Is that I think that's. Great, especially seeing it 1558 01:02:57,770 --> 01:03:00,250 could be something like that. So flexible working can work 1559 01:03:00,260 --> 01:03:02,250 then can't. It is just having a day off and 1560 01:03:02,260 --> 01:03:04,330 we call it a it's. Fine, Yeah, Yeah, you should you 1561 01:03:04,340 --> 01:03:05,950 be more needs to be more of it. Yeah, yeah. 1562 01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,170 So flexible working in that respect of this isn't really 1563 01:03:09,180 --> 01:03:11,490 even flexible working, it's just making the job more manageable. 1564 01:03:11,580 --> 01:03:15,110 But you can be exploit that day because you know what if you 1565 01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,330 wanna spend that day morning in the spa and in the afternoon go 1566 01:03:18,340 --> 01:03:20,060 shopping and do your work in the evening. 1567 01:03:20,070 --> 01:03:22,450 Yeah, that is flexible then because you know you've been 1568 01:03:22,460 --> 01:03:25,210 given that date back. Sure you can if you need to take 1569 01:03:25,220 --> 01:03:27,040 that time. Lots of schools do. 1570 01:03:27,050 --> 01:03:29,260 Every time you just get me day, you get personal day. 1571 01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:32,140 You just book it in. It's there's no expectation. 1572 01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:33,610 It's on top of everything you already do. 1573 01:03:33,650 --> 01:03:37,460 Just get a date every time. And you might use that day to do 1574 01:03:37,470 --> 01:03:39,820 your planning for next term and not think about it the weekends. 1575 01:03:40,070 --> 01:03:41,180 That's your choice. Brilliant. 1576 01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:43,420 You might use that day to go and see your family. 1577 01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:44,780 You might put that down on Monday. 1578 01:03:44,790 --> 01:03:46,560 Have a long weekend somewhere. Because actually there's a 1579 01:03:46,570 --> 01:03:48,460 point, an important distinction that you kind of made there, 1580 01:03:48,510 --> 01:03:50,260 which is that it we're flexible working. 1581 01:03:50,270 --> 01:03:53,400 If you're still expected to be on the job and home like you 1582 01:03:53,410 --> 01:03:55,690 still expected to answer emails and stuff, yeah, that's 1583 01:03:55,700 --> 01:03:58,820 different to complete flexibility of you do whatever 1584 01:03:58,830 --> 01:04:00,420 you want with this day. Just get the job, just get the 1585 01:04:00,430 --> 01:04:02,620 work done whenever you want. I think that's exactly the same. 1586 01:04:02,690 --> 01:04:04,810 It's not because you still get the work done. 1587 01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:06,500 No, but I'm expected to answer emails at home. 1588 01:04:06,510 --> 01:04:07,810 They've got to be doing at that time. 1589 01:04:07,890 --> 01:04:10,260 If flexible in terms of I'm not in the office, I'm working from 1590 01:04:10,270 --> 01:04:12,040 home. I know people that flexible work 1591 01:04:12,050 --> 01:04:14,200 and when they're on their days on their computer, we have to 1592 01:04:14,210 --> 01:04:16,090 still prove that work. You've got to. 1593 01:04:16,100 --> 01:04:17,610 They've got to respond. To e-mail, Yeah, sorry. 1594 01:04:17,620 --> 01:04:20,720 Whereas if it was like because teachings already flexible, 1595 01:04:20,770 --> 01:04:23,060 Yeah, in that respect. So sort of like if I do your 1596 01:04:23,070 --> 01:04:24,350 extra unpaid work whenever you want. 1597 01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,450 Yeah, exactly. But if I had PPI at home and the 1598 01:04:26,460 --> 01:04:29,380 schools thing was, but you are doing people at home. 1599 01:04:29,570 --> 01:04:31,890 And so we do expect you. If we've got some correspondence 1600 01:04:31,900 --> 01:04:34,010 with you, we do expect you to answer emails you're working. 1601 01:04:34,020 --> 01:04:36,440 That's different to go home and do the work whenever you want. 1602 01:04:36,450 --> 01:04:41,770 I think that I think that's reasonable in a way in terms of 1603 01:04:42,070 --> 01:04:44,660 you can still e-mail stuff, correspondence, but then it just 1604 01:04:44,730 --> 01:04:47,330 goes into that murky business of how much of your PPA is, yeah, 1605 01:04:47,340 --> 01:04:49,550 protected. Because if someone emailed you 1606 01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,640 in PA, right and said, ohh, cash, can I grab you for 10 1607 01:04:52,650 --> 01:04:54,950 minutes, We'd almost certainly just yeah, of course. 1608 01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,540 Yeah, of course we would. But then if you're at home, do 1609 01:04:58,550 --> 01:05:00,330 they? Yeah, but no, like can you say 1610 01:05:00,340 --> 01:05:01,730 no? Can you say because it's your 1611 01:05:02,340 --> 01:05:04,440 call for 10 minutes? I mean I think the fundamental 1612 01:05:04,450 --> 01:05:06,540 thing is you probably should be able to say no in any situation 1613 01:05:06,550 --> 01:05:08,870 anyway because your a time they can't direct you. 1614 01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,350 I think it's one I, I'd be interested to know people 1615 01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,790 listening, right? How much of their PA is actually 1616 01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,220 completely undirected or not? Because a lot of people I 1617 01:05:17,230 --> 01:05:19,810 remember when I start off my career, PA would be like, cool, 1618 01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,010 let's meet at start PA and then we can just crack on afterwards. 1619 01:05:23,020 --> 01:05:26,210 And we still have that now. But that's practical and I don't 1620 01:05:26,220 --> 01:05:28,470 mind it because that's part of me planning. 1621 01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,150 That's part of my assessment. Like I'm going to get together 1622 01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:33,710 my team chat, but that is a, that is a meeting that's imposed 1623 01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:35,750 on me. So there there is that. 1624 01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,050 I think that's what it has to be, that professional. 1625 01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,130 Understand a lot of schools. I think this is quite normal, by 1626 01:05:40,140 --> 01:05:44,520 the way, where PA is directed in the sense that they have to go 1627 01:05:44,530 --> 01:05:47,260 to a certain PA room with their whole team so they can do their 1628 01:05:47,270 --> 01:05:49,440 planning together. And so it's like they're not 1629 01:05:49,450 --> 01:05:51,320 directing it. We just expect all your planning 1630 01:05:51,330 --> 01:05:53,140 to be done together. That's an expectation. 1631 01:05:53,730 --> 01:05:56,050 And we just expect that you do PPA in this room, but we're not 1632 01:05:56,060 --> 01:05:57,450 directing. You want to do what you want in 1633 01:05:57,460 --> 01:05:58,790 that time. We just need all of your plans 1634 01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,020 to get done together. And there's a weird thing. 1635 01:06:01,030 --> 01:06:02,270 I've known loads of schools that are like. 1636 01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:04,860 That and then you trap people sometimes for example, I know 1637 01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:08,780 you have we have our staff meeting after your PA yeah. 1638 01:06:08,830 --> 01:06:12,570 So that that is that has trapped point in a way like yeah, in 1639 01:06:12,580 --> 01:06:15,270 what I mean by that is you probably couldn't go home. 1640 01:06:15,340 --> 01:06:18,280 No, because you have to come back and that would be insane. 1641 01:06:18,290 --> 01:06:19,350 Yeah, that's a good point actually. 1642 01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,930 Cause realistically, if it wasn't me, it'd be another year 1643 01:06:21,940 --> 01:06:22,730 group doing that. Yeah. 1644 01:06:22,740 --> 01:06:24,970 So it's not like I could say just change my PPA day. 1645 01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:26,810 Works for you. Selfish. 1646 01:06:26,820 --> 01:06:28,560 Yeah. I suppose you could just make 1647 01:06:28,570 --> 01:06:31,290 sure all of the staff have PBA on any of the days except for 1648 01:06:31,300 --> 01:06:32,760 this one day that we do staff meetings. 1649 01:06:32,770 --> 01:06:38,250 No one has PA on that day. So, yeah, I guess summary, do 1650 01:06:38,260 --> 01:06:41,340 you think an introduction of proper flexible working? 1651 01:06:41,350 --> 01:06:44,350 Mm-hmm. Let's say the discussion at 1652 01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,990 least of the introduction of more PPA time, so the children 1653 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:51,140 stay in school, but the implementation of you absolutely 1654 01:06:51,180 --> 01:06:53,350 can do what you want in your PPA time if that's going home or 1655 01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,990 not. And also I would say the 1656 01:06:56,060 --> 01:06:58,470 reduction of the stigma of job sharing. 1657 01:06:58,540 --> 01:07:00,790 And if someone requests job sharing, you should absolutely 1658 01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:02,450 go out of your way to try and make it work. 1659 01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,490 And it's a lot easier now to apply for flexible working you 1660 01:07:06,500 --> 01:07:08,210 if you're knocked back, you can apply again. 1661 01:07:08,220 --> 01:07:10,000 It used to be apply once, I think in a year. 1662 01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:12,970 Now you can apply twice. There are certain things that 1663 01:07:12,980 --> 01:07:16,270 the school have to say no because they have to fill out 1664 01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,520 certain criteria. So when you apply, you can go 1665 01:07:18,530 --> 01:07:21,860 through the 8 criteria and say it wouldn't affect the quality 1666 01:07:21,870 --> 01:07:24,380 of my work because it wouldn't affect the morale of the school, 1667 01:07:24,390 --> 01:07:26,000 because it wouldn't affect the children. 1668 01:07:26,010 --> 01:07:28,490 Because like there are eight ways that schools can say no. 1669 01:07:28,500 --> 01:07:31,320 And you can kind of, I filled out this form from my partner 1670 01:07:31,330 --> 01:07:34,100 when we, we, we, we applied for her to go back and return to 1671 01:07:34,110 --> 01:07:36,420 work with flexible and, and go part time. 1672 01:07:36,930 --> 01:07:38,210 So you can counteract all of them. 1673 01:07:38,220 --> 01:07:42,000 Do your research and apply with all of that in mind. 1674 01:07:42,060 --> 01:07:46,740 Do you think that there is any way that simply going down this 1675 01:07:46,750 --> 01:07:50,480 road of more, more job shares, more part time for people who 1676 01:07:50,490 --> 01:07:52,560 want part time, people who want full time still having a bit of 1677 01:07:52,570 --> 01:07:54,580 flexibility with as and when they take their time, Do you 1678 01:07:54,590 --> 01:07:56,720 think this will actually fix the problems that we have in? 1679 01:07:56,730 --> 01:07:58,120 Each. I think it will massively help 1680 01:07:58,590 --> 01:08:01,980 fix it is a big word. I think it will massively over a 1681 01:08:01,990 --> 01:08:04,450 huge positive impact. Teachers are burning out, 1682 01:08:04,460 --> 01:08:06,380 They're quitting. You can't go to the data. 1683 01:08:06,450 --> 01:08:08,520 The education sector is getting worse and underfunded. 1684 01:08:08,530 --> 01:08:10,300 Everything is getting worse in education. 1685 01:08:10,940 --> 01:08:13,270 We need to do something, and I think this would help keep 1686 01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,830 teachers in the job. We have to incentivize the job. 1687 01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,260 So simple as that. Because if there's no incentive. 1688 01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:21,359 That's weird. There is no incentive and no 1689 01:08:21,370 --> 01:08:22,660 one's training. Yeah. 1690 01:08:22,710 --> 01:08:25,430 So umm, yeah, no, that's. Good chat. 1691 01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,439 That's really interesting. And obviously we literally do 1692 01:08:27,450 --> 01:08:28,300 part time. Yeah. 1693 01:08:28,310 --> 01:08:30,640 And I think that's a distinction I wasn't quite making at the 1694 01:08:30,649 --> 01:08:32,859 start of there are people who don't want to go part time. 1695 01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:34,290 They want their full wage. Yeah, exactly. 1696 01:08:34,300 --> 01:08:36,390 But they still want to have a decent sexuality. 1697 01:08:36,399 --> 01:08:37,960 Yeah. I think the P thing is probably, 1698 01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:40,580 I think that's probably it whole day PPA. 1699 01:08:40,990 --> 01:08:44,160 I think the school could have a, a little bit of leeway in terms 1700 01:08:44,170 --> 01:08:47,830 of, I wouldn't be totally against them saying that first 1701 01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:49,840 portion of that day you need to at least be around. 1702 01:08:50,090 --> 01:08:52,740 Yeah, it's a whole day. If they said, you know, between 1703 01:08:52,750 --> 01:08:56,040 9:00 and 12:00, just make sure you, you know, you're around at 1704 01:08:56,050 --> 01:08:57,380 least to answer queries and things. 1705 01:08:57,390 --> 01:08:58,660 I, I feel like I could get away of that. 1706 01:08:58,670 --> 01:09:00,140 But then if, you know, if the rest of it was completely 1707 01:09:00,149 --> 01:09:02,460 flexible, that be really cool. If the whole day was just 1708 01:09:02,470 --> 01:09:04,460 completely flexible and like, we just don't care what you do on 1709 01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:06,359 that day, as long as you get your job done, then that's cool 1710 01:09:06,370 --> 01:09:07,850 as well. I mean, there's some scope there 1711 01:09:07,859 --> 01:09:11,660 for like different variations of it, but the day off thing it's 1712 01:09:11,670 --> 01:09:12,760 got, it's got to be done, isn't it? 1713 01:09:12,770 --> 01:09:14,160 It's gotta happen. It's gotta have, we wanna keep 1714 01:09:14,170 --> 01:09:16,020 teachers. We've got to do something. 1715 01:09:16,170 --> 01:09:17,850 Clearly upping the money didn't work. 1716 01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:20,069 Yeah, the incentive at the start, it's like people looking 1717 01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:21,880 around like, cool, yeah, but I'm still going to burn out. 1718 01:09:21,890 --> 01:09:25,240 So I can burn out with 30 grand or I can burn out with 27 grand 1719 01:09:25,250 --> 01:09:27,240 like. Or I can leave and get a 40 1720 01:09:27,250 --> 01:09:29,149 grand job somewhere. Else exactly and actually have 1721 01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,399 flexible working. So either education has got to 1722 01:09:31,410 --> 01:09:32,720 get the times eventually isn't it? 1723 01:09:32,729 --> 01:09:34,920 The money is not getting there, so at least make the job better. 1724 01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,660 100% And you know what, all of this is cool. 1725 01:09:37,670 --> 01:09:40,319 And like we talked about the jigging around at the timetable, 1726 01:09:40,330 --> 01:09:42,310 even if we're not going to change anything, mean longer 1727 01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:43,689 days and then a short day on Friday. 1728 01:09:43,899 --> 01:09:46,609 All of this is genuinely completely pointless until we do 1729 01:09:46,620 --> 01:09:47,890 actually sort out that workload problem. 1730 01:09:47,950 --> 01:09:49,510 Yeah, like, you can do what you want. 1731 01:09:49,580 --> 01:09:53,479 Like if that PA comes with extra, you know you're expected 1732 01:09:53,490 --> 01:09:57,070 to do more because all you gotta hold out now so you can do this. 1733 01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:58,970 With this list of what you were doing before. 1734 01:09:59,020 --> 01:10:00,790 No, no, no, no. No, no, that day needs to come 1735 01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,700 with your job hasn't changed you still the same jobs to do. 1736 01:10:03,710 --> 01:10:05,810 You just got an entire extra data because if the 1737 01:10:05,820 --> 01:10:08,010 justification for Lt or whoever is in charge of the government 1738 01:10:08,020 --> 01:10:10,220 or anything Ofsted is now what we need to have these high 1739 01:10:10,230 --> 01:10:12,910 standards and, and we talked before, having high standards is 1740 01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,000 really good and we need to have. Clearly, you know, gonna work 1741 01:10:15,010 --> 01:10:16,580 really well to get this amazing curriculum. 1742 01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:19,110 It's like, cool if you're gonna keep them cool, don't judge 1743 01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:20,800 them, but give me extra time, yeah? 1744 01:10:20,810 --> 01:10:22,660 To get there, I'll tell you what we'll drop the highest standards 1745 01:10:22,670 --> 01:10:24,570 is when all your best teachers quit because they can go and get 1746 01:10:24,580 --> 01:10:26,590 paid 50K for another job because they really highly skilled. 1747 01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:28,990 Yeah, that's when the standards will start dropping exactly that 1748 01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,360 which is what's happening. Retain your good teachers. 1749 01:10:31,370 --> 01:10:33,470 Incentivize us. We love teaching. 1750 01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:36,300 We don't want to leave. We don't want to teaching when 1751 01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:39,500 you put your notice in. I've done it yesterday. 1752 01:10:40,410 --> 01:10:41,840 We haven't. We haven't. 1753 01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:44,570 We haven't. I enjoyed that chat finished up 1754 01:10:44,580 --> 01:10:46,440 there. Let's finish up there screaming 1755 01:10:46,450 --> 01:10:48,600 in the background. Yeah, let's go and sort that. 1756 01:10:48,610 --> 01:10:51,160 Out Bye bye everyone see you next time follows on Instagram 1757 01:10:51,170 --> 01:10:53,020 at tech podcast. See you then.