1 00:00:00,050 --> 00:00:01,410 Hello everyone. Welcome back to another episode 2 00:00:01,420 --> 00:00:03,050 of Teach, Sleep, Repeat. My name is Dylan. 3 00:00:03,060 --> 00:00:05,550 And my name is Hayden. And please don't. 4 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:07,810 Don't click off. You've not clicked on the last 5 00:00:07,820 --> 00:00:10,190 episode or the episode before. Hayden has, for the third time 6 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:11,950 in a row, wore the same shirt. Don't. 7 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:13,990 Worry about I also wore it last week when we didn't do an 8 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,820 episode. Just just you know. 9 00:00:16,340 --> 00:00:18,450 I'm starting to think that's all you wear when you're not in 10 00:00:18,460 --> 00:00:20,350 school. Well, and I've got a bit of a 11 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,290 theory. And the reason is because this 12 00:00:22,300 --> 00:00:24,680 week I was speaking to some children on the playground who 13 00:00:24,690 --> 00:00:27,750 are in your class who I thought previously, we obviously talking 14 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,190 about you, we'll come onto that later. 15 00:00:29,260 --> 00:00:32,040 But she said to me, yeah, I call him Blue Shirt man, because he 16 00:00:32,049 --> 00:00:33,550 always wears the same blue shirt. 17 00:00:34,210 --> 00:00:37,900 It's so true, I have right just to explain myself here. 18 00:00:37,910 --> 00:00:40,130 But please do, because I am about to absolutely expose 19 00:00:40,140 --> 00:00:43,260 yours, because I I think people will think that what you do is 20 00:00:43,270 --> 00:00:44,430 mental. So God. 21 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:48,150 What do you mean? I've actually got like 12 to 15 22 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:50,260 shirts in my wardrobe. OK, how many can fit? 23 00:00:50,910 --> 00:00:53,260 OK, let's I've got 15 shirt, right? 24 00:00:53,270 --> 00:00:55,460 Yeah, 12 of them. I haven't worn in over 2 years. 25 00:00:55,590 --> 00:00:58,190 Why? Because I've put on weight and I 26 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,440 was like, no, I I still refuse to accept the fact that I 27 00:01:01,450 --> 00:01:02,680 shouldn't be. I need to fit into those. 28 00:01:02,690 --> 00:01:03,390 Shirts. That's fine. 29 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:04,660 That leaves you with three that fit, right. 30 00:01:04,670 --> 00:01:06,040 Three. And you're only in school for 31 00:01:06,050 --> 00:01:07,900 three days a week. Yeah, so naturally. 32 00:01:07,950 --> 00:01:10,460 Obviously I wear one a day always. 33 00:01:10,550 --> 00:01:11,360 Is that true? I do. 34 00:01:11,370 --> 00:01:11,910 Now. You do. 35 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,480 Now I do. Now you do it now. 36 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,220 Now talk about my past all you want. 37 00:01:15,230 --> 00:01:17,870 Dylan, he you're trying to embarrass. 38 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:18,860 Me. No, I'm not. 39 00:01:18,870 --> 00:01:19,780 I'm right. You have you. 40 00:01:19,790 --> 00:01:21,480 You you defend yourself. Another reason. 41 00:01:21,490 --> 00:01:23,560 Look, I have three shirts, OK? They're all blue. 42 00:01:23,570 --> 00:01:25,710 Yeah. And I wear them Monday, Tuesday, 43 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,220 Wednesday they get washed and wear them next week. 44 00:01:27,230 --> 00:01:29,220 I wear the same free on. Rotation so you've never won the 45 00:01:29,230 --> 00:01:34,360 same shirt 2 days. Anymore, because these are, 46 00:01:34,370 --> 00:01:35,850 these are what I call my fat shirts, alright? 47 00:01:35,860 --> 00:01:38,430 Because they're the ones when I'm at my biggest, I wear these 48 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:39,540 three. It just happens to have been 49 00:01:39,550 --> 00:01:41,920 that I've been on them for two. Years You've been fasting diet 50 00:01:41,930 --> 00:01:43,560 for two weeks. Obviously you've moved out. 51 00:01:43,570 --> 00:01:45,710 Talk about that in a minute. But I used to. 52 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,330 I used to. If I got home and my shirt 53 00:01:48,340 --> 00:01:51,850 wasn't like, particularly if it wasn't smelly, basically I've 54 00:01:51,860 --> 00:01:52,860 been. I'll be right for another. 55 00:01:52,870 --> 00:01:53,590 Day. That's good. 56 00:01:53,940 --> 00:01:56,920 Take it off and hang it up. I can't do anymore. 57 00:01:56,930 --> 00:01:58,020 I sweat too. Much so. 58 00:01:58,110 --> 00:02:00,570 So that's how you judge whether clothes go in the washing 59 00:02:00,580 --> 00:02:02,480 machine or not. If they stink. 60 00:02:02,610 --> 00:02:04,860 If they stink. Bye, Lauren. 61 00:02:04,870 --> 00:02:06,960 Be like, what about all that bacteria and yellow stains? 62 00:02:06,970 --> 00:02:09,800 Like, no, it doesn't smell. Doesn't smell. 63 00:02:10,009 --> 00:02:11,920 It's going back on the next day. So sometimes. 64 00:02:11,970 --> 00:02:15,890 And my whole point was, yeah, I wanted to reduce washing, yeah. 65 00:02:16,070 --> 00:02:18,680 I mean, I mean it's a matter of reduction going from three 66 00:02:18,690 --> 00:02:20,700 shirts to two. Have you ever ironed a shirt? 67 00:02:20,830 --> 00:02:23,410 Yes. So I don't plan to start. 68 00:02:23,420 --> 00:02:24,670 Soon. Wait, so you're trying to reduce 69 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:25,400 stuff? Not even you. 70 00:02:25,410 --> 00:02:27,190 Don't even do it. Do you wash your shirt? 71 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:28,910 Do you do the washing home? Very rarely. 72 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:30,260 Do you do the ironing? No. 73 00:02:30,270 --> 00:02:33,670 So he he had no benefit at all from from wearing the shirt. 74 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,540 Twice. I feel bad because I know Lauren 75 00:02:35,550 --> 00:02:36,410 does the ironing and I'm like, I. 76 00:02:36,420 --> 00:02:39,660 Don't give up ohh mine to do. It's funny because I do that but 77 00:02:39,670 --> 00:02:42,970 with my trousers. I will often wear my trousers 78 00:02:43,020 --> 00:02:45,510 every day of the week. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and. 79 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,910 But I think that's normal underwear. 80 00:02:48,920 --> 00:02:52,780 And wear for terms. You've actually never changed. 81 00:02:54,390 --> 00:02:56,130 My trousers get washed probably once every two weeks. 82 00:02:56,140 --> 00:02:57,580 We. Do change the waistline every 83 00:02:57,590 --> 00:02:58,260 every year or. Two. 84 00:02:58,270 --> 00:03:01,820 Yeah, I get a new belt. At 36 now, I don't know what 85 00:03:01,830 --> 00:03:04,070 you're on. By the way, it's 3636 is my 86 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,690 account. I've got 36 and that's when I 87 00:03:06,700 --> 00:03:10,390 thought do something about that. So as you all know, anyway, off 88 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:16,530 on a tandem very quickly on that point of the waistline, you've 89 00:03:16,540 --> 00:03:19,730 been doing a challenge with me every day, OK? 90 00:03:19,740 --> 00:03:21,900 And your challenge, just for anyone who wasn't listening, 91 00:03:21,910 --> 00:03:24,590 didn't hear that Hayden's challenge every single day and 92 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,390 we're going to see how far we can go with January 1st. 93 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,600 Is January the first New Year? How many days in a row can we 94 00:03:28,610 --> 00:03:30,310 both do Our particular challenge? 95 00:03:30,380 --> 00:03:32,470 Mine was to cut out sugar from my diet. 96 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,070 Hayden supposed to go on a fasting diet. 97 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,890 Now. Cutting out sugar for me was 98 00:03:35,900 --> 00:03:39,300 more about how I feel. It was more about like, I want 99 00:03:39,310 --> 00:03:41,590 to get clarity when I don't eat sugar, I'm less groggy. 100 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,050 I feel less tired, I feel better and like the weight loss is kind 101 00:03:45,060 --> 00:03:47,390 of like a a separate thing that happened as a result. 102 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,310 It's a bonus. Whereas you chose fasting 103 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:50,960 specifically just to lose weight. 104 00:03:50,970 --> 00:03:52,110 Yeah, I just want to drop a. Few pounds. 105 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,260 So how much did you have you lost in WOW? 106 00:03:55,350 --> 00:03:57,180 I started kind of. I'm going to share my weight 107 00:03:57,190 --> 00:04:00,210 because who cares? I started on OK because I don't 108 00:04:00,220 --> 00:04:01,160 really care. Actually. 109 00:04:01,370 --> 00:04:04,640 I start on 15 stone 2. Yep, I did drop down. 110 00:04:04,950 --> 00:04:07,840 I did drop down to 14 stone 13. Really. 111 00:04:07,900 --> 00:04:10,400 Yeah, Now 115 stone. What happened? 112 00:04:11,250 --> 00:04:13,870 What happened? Wow, I've got a bit lazy with 113 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,300 the old. This is the problem. 114 00:04:15,310 --> 00:04:16,209 Right. Wait, wait, wait. 115 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,529 No, I'm still going. I'm still doing it. 116 00:04:18,540 --> 00:04:20,790 The problem with this diet, and I know you're going to rinse me 117 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,370 about it anyway, the problem with this, with this diet is I 118 00:04:25,380 --> 00:04:28,730 can do the fasting easy. I cannot eat for 16 hours a day, 119 00:04:29,380 --> 00:04:31,730 but when it comes to the 8 hours where I can eat, like 120 00:04:31,740 --> 00:04:34,010 technically there are no rules. It always says, yeah, you know, 121 00:04:34,020 --> 00:04:36,530 just eat a normal amount, eat what you want in those eight 122 00:04:36,540 --> 00:04:38,180 hours. It's the 16 hours that cause 123 00:04:38,190 --> 00:04:40,040 you're you're you're keep something about ketosis, you're 124 00:04:40,050 --> 00:04:42,580 going to ketosis and ketones. Buddy, buddy, did you get this 125 00:04:42,590 --> 00:04:44,320 off like an? Instagram ad Was this like? 126 00:04:44,330 --> 00:04:47,550 We've got off some app that I was using to track it and I was 127 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,670 like, Oh yeah, brilliant. What it doesn't mean it doesn't 128 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,150 mean is you can eat a whole range of cake. 129 00:04:52,220 --> 00:04:54,350 It doesn't mean you can eat a pack of four whispers. 130 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:55,910 It does. These are the kind of things 131 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,690 that I need to stop doing. This morning and there was a 132 00:04:59,700 --> 00:05:02,900 four lack of whispers, A4 pack of ripples, and some whisper 133 00:05:02,910 --> 00:05:04,190 golds. Yeah, why? 134 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:05,950 Why? Well this I I tell you what this 135 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,580 is cause and I know what this was from. 136 00:05:07,590 --> 00:05:09,750 So yesterday I came home and on the side I said to Lauren, ohh 137 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,260 my mum, My mum's been around then ohh every time my mum comes 138 00:05:12,270 --> 00:05:14,480 round she always brings. Like, is she an enabler? 139 00:05:14,540 --> 00:05:16,330 Yeah, she's an enabler. Blame her mum. 140 00:05:17,130 --> 00:05:20,860 But so in all seriousness, if I actually want to see results 141 00:05:20,910 --> 00:05:23,230 like you're seeing results you can talk about in a minute, I 142 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,480 do. I do need to also basically do 143 00:05:25,490 --> 00:05:27,420 your diet. Maybe a light version because 144 00:05:27,430 --> 00:05:30,160 I'm doing the fasting if I just cut out like 50% of the. 145 00:05:30,170 --> 00:05:31,090 Sugar. Yeah, yeah. 146 00:05:31,100 --> 00:05:32,250 I'll probably start losing weight. 147 00:05:32,260 --> 00:05:33,810 You stopped eating chocolate? I bet you would. 148 00:05:33,820 --> 00:05:35,180 Yeah, almost definitely just that one. 149 00:05:35,190 --> 00:05:36,530 Almost definitely. Chocolate is the. 150 00:05:36,570 --> 00:05:38,520 Is the killer, isn't it? We've got you've had loads of 151 00:05:38,530 --> 00:05:41,190 success and actually wanna hear about it because it's a hard 152 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,020 diet kind of sugar so. Yeah, I mean, it's hard. 153 00:05:44,060 --> 00:05:47,500 It's hard for someone like us. I think for the average Joe, 154 00:05:47,510 --> 00:05:49,890 it's like it's a couple of chocolate bars, yeah. 155 00:05:49,900 --> 00:05:51,720 No, I already have some self. Discipline. 156 00:05:51,730 --> 00:05:54,030 Yeah, literally. So we're coming from a place of 157 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,200 no self-discipline whatsoever to just trying to be a bit of a 158 00:05:57,210 --> 00:05:58,790 grown up. And I always say this, just 159 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,770 trying to be an adult and it's going well. 160 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:02,910 But essentially I'm not snacking. 161 00:06:03,020 --> 00:06:06,130 Yeah, I'm not snacking at all. So you look different. 162 00:06:06,180 --> 00:06:07,620 Yeah. Yeah, I've lost weight. 163 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,030 I've lost some weight. So And it is. 164 00:06:10,280 --> 00:06:13,410 Jokes aside and taking the maker stuff, it is it is nice when 165 00:06:13,420 --> 00:06:17,530 people say it and they're like you because again numbers on the 166 00:06:17,540 --> 00:06:20,760 scale it doesn't actually matter, might actually care that 167 00:06:20,770 --> 00:06:22,420 much. The number one thing is 168 00:06:22,430 --> 00:06:26,000 genuinely how I feel and losing weight makes you feel better 169 00:06:26,050 --> 00:06:28,980 because you are just a bit more mobile and also in your clothes 170 00:06:28,990 --> 00:06:31,280 you feel a bit less conscious. I've I've realised I never 171 00:06:31,290 --> 00:06:35,220 thought I was that conscious but but now putting the same clothes 172 00:06:35,230 --> 00:06:40,410 on and not like noticing my belly and stuff as much, it just 173 00:06:40,420 --> 00:06:42,340 looks like a how AT shirt should fit. 174 00:06:42,350 --> 00:06:45,140 Yeah, and only then did I realise that, Ohh yeah, that was 175 00:06:45,150 --> 00:06:47,340 in my mind definitely. Like, every day when I got 176 00:06:47,350 --> 00:06:49,590 dressed, I was like, God, and like, when you put on a shirt, 177 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,880 like you said, you do the buttons up and you're like, OK, 178 00:06:51,890 --> 00:06:54,540 this shirt never used to feel like this where it's getting 179 00:06:54,550 --> 00:06:57,880 tighter. It does just feel better to have 180 00:06:57,890 --> 00:07:00,920 lost a bit of weight. And that's the side goal of this 181 00:07:00,930 --> 00:07:01,900 thing. And it's working. 182 00:07:01,970 --> 00:07:06,220 But also, I must say, I don't feel remotely as tired remotely, 183 00:07:06,270 --> 00:07:08,500 like, not even close to it. And we've always said this 184 00:07:08,510 --> 00:07:10,860 before, that's the best. We've been absolutely knackered, 185 00:07:10,930 --> 00:07:12,590 like, during school and stuff. Yeah. 186 00:07:12,650 --> 00:07:14,300 And we were like, OK, I need to get some more sleep. 187 00:07:14,310 --> 00:07:16,700 And then maybe we'll get some more sleep and we'll still feel 188 00:07:16,710 --> 00:07:19,260 knackered the next day. And the reason is you don't feel 189 00:07:19,270 --> 00:07:21,440 tired because you're not getting enough sleep. 190 00:07:21,510 --> 00:07:24,510 You feel tired because your body is an absolute mess, like, like. 191 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,970 Honestly, it's like. It's running of ripples right 192 00:07:26,980 --> 00:07:29,830 before bed and then got a good night's sleep did not help the. 193 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:30,870 Situation. Yeah, literally. 194 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,760 So you're waking up, your body's done in. 195 00:07:32,820 --> 00:07:36,250 It's trying to like function off a diet which is not remotely 196 00:07:36,260 --> 00:07:38,510 suitable. So all I'm doing is I'm having 197 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,470 breakfast, dinner, and I'm not going to do this again. 198 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,420 Breakfast, lunch and dinner. It's because I'm. 199 00:07:43,430 --> 00:07:45,850 Northern and I want to say breakfast dinner, just episode 200 00:07:45,860 --> 00:07:50,780 dinner, breakfast dinner. Dinner said no, said Yeah. 201 00:07:50,790 --> 00:07:52,430 I just have breakfast, dinner, lunch every day. 202 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:53,270 And I said in that. Order. 203 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,420 Yeah, funny, Good joke. But yeah. 204 00:07:55,430 --> 00:07:58,790 And then no, No crisps, no chocolate, no fizzy drinks. 205 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,600 They're they're trifecta. And no fast food. 206 00:08:01,670 --> 00:08:06,630 No fast food. The trifecta but and I know like 207 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,940 no fast food but like backing like McDonald's, that kind of 208 00:08:09,950 --> 00:08:11,750 thing. The only thing we have had is 209 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,490 like a Nando's. Yeah yeah yeah. 210 00:08:14,700 --> 00:08:18,060 From this oven, that wood fire oven pizza place and stuff like 211 00:08:18,070 --> 00:08:18,690 that. Yeah. 212 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,470 So not. Necessarily, no. 213 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:21,230 So it's fine, you. Can. 214 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,150 Yeah, You've got to. Because I tell you what, it 215 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:24,750 feels more sustainable than last time. 216 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,960 Yeah. I I, you know, I walked in and I 217 00:08:26,970 --> 00:08:30,130 saw them chocolates and a part of me was like, I would eat two 218 00:08:30,140 --> 00:08:31,950 of them right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 219 00:08:32,039 --> 00:08:36,179 But I don't, actually. I don't sit wanting it, and the 220 00:08:36,190 --> 00:08:40,100 benefits of the whole diet is outweighing my desire to go and 221 00:08:40,110 --> 00:08:40,730 eat it. Yeah. 222 00:08:40,740 --> 00:08:43,890 So it does feel good now though, and I'm going to start doing 223 00:08:43,900 --> 00:08:46,060 some more exercise now. Now I've added in a bit of that 224 00:08:46,070 --> 00:08:49,560 and I've got to a bit like knocked a bit off, Yeah, because 225 00:08:49,570 --> 00:08:52,210 like I said, the numbers are cool, but I want to feel better, 226 00:08:52,220 --> 00:08:53,880 so I just want to get. Stronger anyone not watching, by 227 00:08:53,890 --> 00:08:56,460 the way, Dylan is has been doing this episode so far with his top 228 00:08:56,470 --> 00:08:58,540 off. He's really, really proud to 229 00:08:58,550 --> 00:09:01,250 present. Isn't it? 230 00:09:01,290 --> 00:09:03,140 Isn't me. I've gone from morbid obesity to 231 00:09:03,150 --> 00:09:05,340 obese and I'm like, yeah, this is how you do it, guys. 232 00:09:05,410 --> 00:09:09,480 On the on the app. Yeah, all BMI is all crazy 233 00:09:09,490 --> 00:09:11,360 anyway, because I'm like a short stocky. 234 00:09:11,370 --> 00:09:13,010 But I tell you what anyway. Obesity. 235 00:09:13,020 --> 00:09:15,450 There's like, it's very easy to get into that bracket, isn't it? 236 00:09:15,460 --> 00:09:16,720 Like the actual technical side of it? 237 00:09:16,730 --> 00:09:18,500 I said I've been on like that app. 238 00:09:18,510 --> 00:09:20,850 I've been obese for years. Yeah, I've got news for you. 239 00:09:22,290 --> 00:09:25,440 Real life killer. Not the app mate, But yeah, no. 240 00:09:25,610 --> 00:09:26,940 Lower threshold than you think it. 241 00:09:26,950 --> 00:09:29,640 Is it is. And I know a lot of people will 242 00:09:29,650 --> 00:09:33,240 be listening who feel the same way of like, OK, I know I need 243 00:09:33,250 --> 00:09:36,800 to do something, but I'm working so hard constantly at school, 244 00:09:36,810 --> 00:09:39,010 it's easy for me to get a ready meal and some chocolate and 245 00:09:39,050 --> 00:09:41,220 walking for the staff area. We've done it for years. 246 00:09:41,230 --> 00:09:43,460 Like, it's this is not remotely like a judgy thing. 247 00:09:43,610 --> 00:09:47,840 And if you're listening to this anytime from sort of March back 248 00:09:47,850 --> 00:09:50,430 on, then then this is what we need to listen to this advice we 249 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,420 have given up by them. I think what I have found this 250 00:09:52,430 --> 00:09:54,870 week really hard though, purely because and I know you know this 251 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,020 as well, because we've both been there. 252 00:09:56,030 --> 00:09:58,220 I had a rank cold last week. Yeah. 253 00:09:58,230 --> 00:10:00,710 And when you feel ill, just everything is just so much 254 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,620 effort. And I think I really dropped off 255 00:10:02,790 --> 00:10:04,950 because I was, I was actually a bit more conscious before this 256 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,080 week about what I was eating in the day that was losing. 257 00:10:07,090 --> 00:10:09,100 I was losing weight and then I've kind of put a pound back on 258 00:10:09,110 --> 00:10:10,100 I. Forgot you all that does. 259 00:10:10,110 --> 00:10:13,280 Actually, and yeah, it's like it's just pure, like it's not 260 00:10:13,290 --> 00:10:14,440 lazy. Feeling sorry for yourself? 261 00:10:14,450 --> 00:10:17,050 But also your body is trying to fight, like fight off stuff and 262 00:10:17,060 --> 00:10:19,150 it needs more calories I assume, and I'm not. 263 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,540 Saying the nasally. Voice if I'm just guessing. 264 00:10:21,690 --> 00:10:24,330 Anyway, let's move on. Let's talk about this week. 265 00:10:24,340 --> 00:10:26,120 A quick recap of our week. Some funny stuff happened. 266 00:10:26,130 --> 00:10:28,770 Yeah, we're gonna get into a really chunky bit of this 267 00:10:28,780 --> 00:10:30,010 episode. Now move forward to it. 268 00:10:30,020 --> 00:10:31,610 So. So I wanna start with story and 269 00:10:31,620 --> 00:10:32,950 it is kind of between me and Dylan. 270 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,730 This is for you guys because it's a funny thing that happened 271 00:10:34,740 --> 00:10:37,030 this week. So I was on the playground on 272 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,700 Tuesday and a bunch of your kids, your maths class, Dylan's 273 00:10:40,710 --> 00:10:44,150 in year 4, I'm in year six for context and maths class. 274 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,950 A couple of these girls come up to me and was like really riled 275 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,680 up and they were like, we're going to beat you. 276 00:10:48,690 --> 00:10:50,210 And I don't know what you're talking about. 277 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:51,660 Yeah, yeah, we're going to beat you. 278 00:10:51,670 --> 00:10:53,340 And Dylan explained that he set up a times. 279 00:10:53,410 --> 00:10:56,610 It was rock stars competition between his class and my class. 280 00:10:56,740 --> 00:11:01,470 A year four set and a year six best mathematicians in the 281 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:02,490 school set. Yeah, just for. 282 00:11:02,500 --> 00:11:05,560 Context top set year six. So I was like, all right, OK, 283 00:11:05,830 --> 00:11:08,150 yeah, I've only set it for three days so they can smash you. 284 00:11:08,190 --> 00:11:09,600 Yeah. OK. 285 00:11:09,610 --> 00:11:13,060 We're going to get the iPads in. Obviously playing behind the 286 00:11:13,070 --> 00:11:16,200 scenes, I'm playing along with this but to the kids I'd be 287 00:11:16,210 --> 00:11:18,050 like, no, I'm going to go tell all my essays right now. 288 00:11:18,060 --> 00:11:20,270 They're going to go home and they're not letting year fours 289 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,610 beat me. If you fours beat us and and I 290 00:11:22,620 --> 00:11:26,920 think I said something like Mr Mr. Price can take over or 291 00:11:26,930 --> 00:11:29,330 something like that And I was like but if I win if these if 292 00:11:29,340 --> 00:11:31,840 they are my year six is win. I'm coming into your classroom 293 00:11:31,850 --> 00:11:33,360 next week I'm kicking Mr. Price out. 294 00:11:33,370 --> 00:11:34,790 I'll be taking the class from now on. 295 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,930 That's all I said. That is all I said and and the 296 00:11:37,940 --> 00:11:39,670 conversation ended there. I didn't hear anything More of 297 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:42,380 these girls ran off like. I'm going to tell you what 298 00:11:42,390 --> 00:11:43,420 happened after that. Then yes. 299 00:11:43,430 --> 00:11:46,590 So they came into my classroom, like, honestly, could barely 300 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,720 breathe. They were so like and and it and 301 00:11:50,730 --> 00:11:54,020 it and they said something about right, right. 302 00:11:54,030 --> 00:11:56,280 We get to, we get. Listen, if we win, we get to 303 00:11:56,290 --> 00:11:58,440 chase Mr Stevens and he's gonna kick you out the window. 304 00:11:58,450 --> 00:12:00,580 If you win, he's gonna kick you out the window and take over and 305 00:12:00,590 --> 00:12:02,040 teach us maths for the whole time. 306 00:12:02,090 --> 00:12:04,100 So completely made that up. Already kicking out the window? 307 00:12:04,110 --> 00:12:07,620 Yeah, literally just made out of nowhere, went out his PA that 308 00:12:07,630 --> 00:12:09,820 afternoon. I came back from PA and what the 309 00:12:09,830 --> 00:12:12,130 teacher teaches, PSHE said. The kids have written a note for 310 00:12:12,140 --> 00:12:14,550 you or something, this whole note of this plan, how they're 311 00:12:14,560 --> 00:12:16,410 gonna chase you around the playground, right? 312 00:12:16,450 --> 00:12:20,040 And they said in maths on Wednesday, Wednesday morning. 313 00:12:20,450 --> 00:12:22,680 And they found that they'd won. Yeah, because I because 314 00:12:22,690 --> 00:12:26,120 initially it was Monday to Monday and my class, like we had 315 00:12:26,170 --> 00:12:28,260 iPads out in the morning and it's correct answers. 316 00:12:28,330 --> 00:12:31,800 So like my class got like loads ahead And then your class just 317 00:12:31,810 --> 00:12:34,900 did their homework, which is like a minimal amount and they 318 00:12:34,910 --> 00:12:37,220 overtook us. So I was like, OK, the yes, 319 00:12:37,230 --> 00:12:39,340 they're just gonna win because they're quicker, just even if a 320 00:12:39,350 --> 00:12:42,040 few of them do it. And so I changed the date back 321 00:12:42,050 --> 00:12:44,180 to Wednesday and then we got the iPad out again on Tuesday. 322 00:12:44,190 --> 00:12:46,640 Anyway, they won and they were unbelievably excited. 323 00:12:46,690 --> 00:12:48,880 And I was like, I need to really think of something for you guys. 324 00:12:48,890 --> 00:12:50,720 A nice little treat because you beat the year sixes. 325 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:52,640 Just a trick to make do those times table. 326 00:12:52,650 --> 00:12:54,340 Yeah. And they're like, no, no, no, 327 00:12:54,350 --> 00:12:55,630 no, no, no. There's a letter. 328 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,250 There's a letter on the on the shelf. 329 00:12:57,290 --> 00:12:59,300 And I was like, what? And they they left the letter, 330 00:12:59,310 --> 00:13:00,830 that letter on the shelf. So I've got it. 331 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,950 And then then we come to the front and explain what's gonna 332 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:03,920 happen. And I was like, yeah, right. 333 00:13:03,930 --> 00:13:06,470 So the same 2 girls came to the front in maths and they were 334 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,630 just so excited. And the kids in the class were 335 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,170 so excited as well and they were there going right. 336 00:13:11,180 --> 00:13:14,420 So basically what we get to do is, Mr Stevens, we're going to 337 00:13:14,430 --> 00:13:16,130 chase me. It's going to be Mr. Price and 338 00:13:16,140 --> 00:13:17,870 Miss Gillett, who's my teaching assistant. 339 00:13:17,980 --> 00:13:20,290 Or some days in school. Yeah, they're gonna be behind. 340 00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:22,060 Mr Stevens. And they're gonna be chasing Mr 341 00:13:22,070 --> 00:13:23,970 Stevens. Then it's us two behind them 342 00:13:23,980 --> 00:13:25,300 that we're gonna be chasing Miss Stevens. 343 00:13:25,310 --> 00:13:27,440 And then everyone else is behind us and we're going to change 344 00:13:27,450 --> 00:13:29,890 Miss Stevens all around the playground and that's because he 345 00:13:29,900 --> 00:13:32,980 lost. So like and basically that was 346 00:13:32,990 --> 00:13:35,540 that was yesterday the last day. They think that's happening next 347 00:13:35,550 --> 00:13:35,900 week. Yeah. 348 00:13:35,910 --> 00:13:37,040 I mean, it's got to happen now, isn't it? 349 00:13:37,050 --> 00:13:39,080 And when this is released, it's going to be happening like 350 00:13:39,090 --> 00:13:41,160 tomorrow it's gonna happen. And I said, I think, I think 351 00:13:41,170 --> 00:13:42,620 this is Stevens on duty on Tuesday. 352 00:13:42,630 --> 00:13:44,910 And I've just got this vision now, because if 20 kids are 353 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,920 chasing Man Playground, everyone will join me. 354 00:13:46,930 --> 00:13:50,100 In the whole of the school kid years ago that that started in 355 00:13:50,110 --> 00:13:53,250 my class was really funny and he started this chant about me. 356 00:13:53,260 --> 00:13:54,710 I can't what it was, but it was quite funny. 357 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,840 Baldy Baldy over there, yeah. Probably it was like Miss 358 00:13:57,850 --> 00:13:59,150 Stevens for president or something like that. 359 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:00,180 I think it was. And he managed. 360 00:14:00,190 --> 00:14:03,870 I'm not joking. He got every single child on the 361 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,690 playground to following. Him like a big. 362 00:14:05,700 --> 00:14:08,750 Conga line chancing this. Thing was that I was gone now. 363 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,550 Yeah, I think I remember. Yeah, yeah. 364 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:11,950 Every year or two years. Ago. 365 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,730 Look what's going on. There's like hundreds of years. 366 00:14:14,740 --> 00:14:15,860 Ago. Two years ago, yeah, yeah, yeah. 367 00:14:15,870 --> 00:14:18,120 And I was like it only lasted for like 20 seconds but for. 368 00:14:18,130 --> 00:14:20,190 The fact he managed. To get like a hundreds of 369 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:21,700 children for a minute just to do this thing. 370 00:14:21,780 --> 00:14:24,450 That kids gonna go someplace? So yeah, Tuesday, bring on 371 00:14:24,460 --> 00:14:26,520 Tuesday. I'll be chased around. 372 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,350 By just love it, I feel like we're getting right back into 373 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,010 our group of of like winding kids up in terms of getting them 374 00:14:31,020 --> 00:14:33,290 riled up about you, cause my class are now becoming a bit 375 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:34,730 obsessed. With you, but it's great cause 376 00:14:34,740 --> 00:14:36,310 what did make them do their times? 377 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,570 Yeah, completely, exactly. That's the whole thing. 378 00:14:38,580 --> 00:14:40,750 I was like, yeah, they're gonna love the fact they've managed to 379 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:42,830 beat some year sixes they weren't realise it's because we 380 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,680 didn't cost. Like they won't know. 381 00:14:44,690 --> 00:14:46,610 That I didn't think of you winding up kids. 382 00:14:46,620 --> 00:14:49,090 I did have a bunch of girls in my class come up the other day 383 00:14:49,100 --> 00:14:51,590 and I know this was to do with you and they were just staring 384 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,870 at my forehead. I was like well. 385 00:14:54,230 --> 00:14:56,540 What do you want to watch the US office, Right. 386 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,760 One of the things Jim does to Dwight cause Jim's always 387 00:14:58,770 --> 00:15:00,820 pranking Dwight. Yeah, one of the simple pranks 388 00:15:00,830 --> 00:15:03,440 Jim does to Dwight is just literally get everyone to look 389 00:15:03,450 --> 00:15:05,200 at his forehead instead of his eyes when he's talking. 390 00:15:05,210 --> 00:15:07,600 Yeah, so I said to him, get as many people as you can to do. 391 00:15:07,610 --> 00:15:09,190 I think they just ran off quite excited and did it. 392 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,220 Just them to as many people as you can to do it. 393 00:15:11,230 --> 00:15:13,400 And don't tell, don't pretend nothing's happening. 394 00:15:13,490 --> 00:15:16,900 Have conversation with him but stare at his forehead and don't 395 00:15:16,910 --> 00:15:18,300 get eye. Contact at all came into my 396 00:15:18,310 --> 00:15:19,970 English lesson. Just stare at my forehead. 397 00:15:21,510 --> 00:15:23,880 Ohh no. I love the idea that something 398 00:15:23,890 --> 00:15:25,540 that happens and straight away like I know. 399 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,960 Stella Yeah, of course, Yeah. I went too far. 400 00:15:27,970 --> 00:15:30,310 After about 20 seconds, I was like, Mr. Price specifically 401 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:31,730 told us. To stare at your forehead is 402 00:15:31,740 --> 00:15:33,830 like ruining the joke, but fair enough. 403 00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:36,410 Like I only worked. If you don't tell him, you go 404 00:15:36,420 --> 00:15:37,990 crazy. But yeah. 405 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,590 I also had the other day on this note of the thing between us 406 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,610 two. We were doing an RE lesson and 407 00:15:43,620 --> 00:15:46,740 it was it was on this this passage from the Bible where 408 00:15:46,750 --> 00:15:50,910 Jesus talks about making the fisherman Fisher of men And and 409 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,560 the whole point was it's about Jesus like recruiting disciples 410 00:15:54,570 --> 00:15:55,940 and people to spread the word. Yeah. 411 00:15:55,950 --> 00:15:56,560 And. And they. 412 00:15:56,570 --> 00:16:00,200 And they go and fish for men in terms of go and get them to join 413 00:16:00,210 --> 00:16:01,340 Christianity. Catfishing. 414 00:16:01,390 --> 00:16:02,000 Yeah. Yeah. 415 00:16:02,010 --> 00:16:02,980 Catfishing. Exactly. 416 00:16:02,990 --> 00:16:04,650 Yeah. Dress it all up and it's nothing 417 00:16:04,660 --> 00:16:07,500 like they said it was going to be but like and the idea was 418 00:16:07,510 --> 00:16:10,930 that we would right at the end the job advert as if we were 419 00:16:10,940 --> 00:16:13,590 Jesus trying to find Fisher of men And the whole point was what 420 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,820 are the characteristics that you would want from a disciple. 421 00:16:15,870 --> 00:16:19,370 So like, kindness, loving, popular, they come up with all 422 00:16:19,380 --> 00:16:22,210 the Christian values basically. And and persuasive was a big as 423 00:16:22,220 --> 00:16:23,630 well because we're trying to convince people to. 424 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,640 Yeah, of course. And then we talked about like 425 00:16:25,650 --> 00:16:27,390 being a salesman and how it was modern day. 426 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,120 They'd be good people to get in because they convince. 427 00:16:29,130 --> 00:16:31,180 People to imagine they thought really hard then about, yeah, 428 00:16:31,190 --> 00:16:33,470 yeah, the kind of people they probably definitely label some 429 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:34,780 people. Yeah. 430 00:16:34,790 --> 00:16:36,070 This kind of person, so the quality. 431 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:37,410 Exactly. They were really, really 432 00:16:37,420 --> 00:16:38,810 focused. They're writing was actually 433 00:16:38,820 --> 00:16:40,250 really quite good. You know, had lots of ideas on 434 00:16:40,260 --> 00:16:41,700 the board. All those things you just said, 435 00:16:41,710 --> 00:16:43,440 love, kindness. And at the top of the sheet for 436 00:16:43,450 --> 00:16:45,400 the job advert was a picture of the ideal candidate. 437 00:16:45,410 --> 00:16:47,030 Of course, someone said finished writing. 438 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:49,370 They could drop picture of the ideal candidate and label. 439 00:16:49,380 --> 00:16:51,170 It and everyone took it. Seriously, everyone took really 440 00:16:51,180 --> 00:16:53,050 seriously. And and but Marcus Amari and 441 00:16:53,060 --> 00:16:55,750 opened the book and it was just a picture of me, knew nothing to 442 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,620 do with Fisher of men. Quite rotund people, I must say. 443 00:16:58,690 --> 00:17:00,800 My beard and hair you completely round circle. 444 00:17:01,150 --> 00:17:02,950 Yeah. And it was labelled Mr Bruce, Mr 445 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,220 Stevens and arrow to me saying good and an arrow to you say 446 00:17:05,230 --> 00:17:06,260 bad. Nothing to do. 447 00:17:06,270 --> 00:17:08,619 With nothing to do whatsoever underneath. 448 00:17:08,630 --> 00:17:11,520 He's like, yeah, fishermen needs to be, you know, have have real 449 00:17:11,530 --> 00:17:14,700 kindness, be persuasive. OK, Can we see a picture of 450 00:17:14,710 --> 00:17:15,339 that? No. 451 00:17:15,430 --> 00:17:17,920 But you have got a good and bad. Picture and there everybody is 452 00:17:17,930 --> 00:17:21,060 the downside of hyper too much and then they just ruin their 453 00:17:21,069 --> 00:17:23,000 essence. Got too obsessed? 454 00:17:23,010 --> 00:17:25,290 With it literally. So this is a fine line. 455 00:17:25,300 --> 00:17:27,730 Not pretending we have the line, but I'd much rather be like we 456 00:17:27,740 --> 00:17:28,970 are. Yeah, I much rather be. 457 00:17:28,980 --> 00:17:32,230 Like I've always said, kids, my number one priority is kids 458 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:33,810 enjoy school. I go home happy, go home with a 459 00:17:33,820 --> 00:17:35,950 smile on their face. Yeah, they're learning, Will. 460 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,810 Will come and maybe the second priority would be that teachers 461 00:17:38,820 --> 00:17:41,010 got home the smile on the face because the Workload Reduction 462 00:17:41,020 --> 00:17:45,820 Task Force, what manages to introduce some new Is, is there 463 00:17:45,830 --> 00:17:48,110 fantastic? Is there been a Segway early 464 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:50,470 release of the teacher workload reduction task? 465 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,000 Force. I know we play the Jingle and 466 00:17:52,010 --> 00:17:59,380 find out. All right, so anyone who doesn't 467 00:17:59,390 --> 00:18:02,980 know recently, and I'm talking like last week when this is 468 00:18:02,990 --> 00:18:07,380 released, the government have responded to something they've 469 00:18:07,390 --> 00:18:09,570 set up. And what they set up was it was 470 00:18:09,580 --> 00:18:12,240 a DfES workload reduction task force. 471 00:18:12,310 --> 00:18:14,020 And this all came about from the strikes. 472 00:18:14,030 --> 00:18:17,320 It was the idea of OK, listen, a big part of the reason why 473 00:18:17,330 --> 00:18:20,060 teachers are striking is because workload is at crazier than 474 00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:21,390 ever. It's more than ever. 475 00:18:21,470 --> 00:18:23,960 And systematically alongside that simultaneously. 476 00:18:23,970 --> 00:18:27,180 Rather, pay was stagnating. So you may have heard a lot in 477 00:18:27,190 --> 00:18:29,120 the media, especially if you're not a teacher, about the whole 478 00:18:29,130 --> 00:18:29,850 pay thing. Yeah. 479 00:18:29,860 --> 00:18:32,290 And that was the thing that drove forward because inflation 480 00:18:32,300 --> 00:18:35,090 was high. We could be like kind of blasted 481 00:18:35,100 --> 00:18:38,090 as selfish to the to the country because we're asking for so much 482 00:18:38,100 --> 00:18:40,570 money at a time when inflation is tough and everyone's feeling 483 00:18:40,580 --> 00:18:42,650 the pinch. That was 1/2 of it. 484 00:18:42,660 --> 00:18:44,750 And for many teachers, less than half of it. 485 00:18:44,860 --> 00:18:47,280 And I know a lot of teachers where they had to pick one thing 486 00:18:47,290 --> 00:18:49,370 that was more vital to them, the pay. 487 00:18:49,380 --> 00:18:52,920 It was, it was. The pay was important, but it 488 00:18:52,930 --> 00:18:55,040 was like, OK, listen, if we're in a situation where we can't 489 00:18:55,050 --> 00:18:57,930 afford to pay teachers at inflation, then we need to do 490 00:18:57,940 --> 00:18:59,240 something to reduce the amount of work that. 491 00:18:59,250 --> 00:19:00,590 They do, yeah, to make the job. Less so. 492 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,610 You know, one thing had to give and part of that was the 493 00:19:03,620 --> 00:19:07,240 government signed up to kind of set up this task force to reduce 494 00:19:07,250 --> 00:19:09,820 workload. It's been, there's been ongoing 495 00:19:09,830 --> 00:19:11,770 for years and years, these ideas being popped up to the 496 00:19:11,780 --> 00:19:14,660 government and it's kind of separate to the government. 497 00:19:14,670 --> 00:19:16,960 And then the government can respond to them and be like, OK, 498 00:19:16,970 --> 00:19:19,480 yes or no, yes or no. And this week we had the first 499 00:19:19,490 --> 00:19:21,070 recommendations from that task force. 500 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,740 And it was big news because the government have already replied 501 00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:25,850 to a couple of them and said yes or no. 502 00:19:25,890 --> 00:19:28,860 And there's been a general feeling of OK, this is how we're 503 00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:31,050 going to move forward. We'll talk at the end about what 504 00:19:31,060 --> 00:19:32,460 happened next. It's not done. 505 00:19:32,530 --> 00:19:35,060 But I thought this would be a fantastic episode for anyone who 506 00:19:35,070 --> 00:19:37,220 is in teaching or is wondering what the teachers do. 507 00:19:37,230 --> 00:19:39,300 Why are they striking? Why is this such a nuisance? 508 00:19:39,370 --> 00:19:41,110 Yeah, is it not known? What is the problem with work? 509 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:42,430 What is the problem? Yeah, why? 510 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,130 You know, the fact there's a task force being set up does 511 00:19:45,140 --> 00:19:46,720 kind of suggest there is a big problem. 512 00:19:46,730 --> 00:19:48,460 And just look at the retention. Particularly the government. 513 00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:50,810 Know this government who are Don't budge on anything. 514 00:19:50,820 --> 00:19:52,230 Yeah. If they've actually agreed to do 515 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,980 this, it's kind of like, OK, yeah, probably should take this 516 00:19:54,990 --> 00:19:58,070 seriously then. And and the great gaol gaol free 517 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,170 card for the government is they can reject this the. 518 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:01,880 Suggestions which, yeah, we'll talk about. 519 00:20:02,900 --> 00:20:05,930 The first one and I thought this was a fantastic idea and I'm not 520 00:20:05,940 --> 00:20:07,770 afraid to say when things are good and when the government 521 00:20:07,780 --> 00:20:09,370 make a good decision. I think that's really important. 522 00:20:09,380 --> 00:20:10,830 We've got to say when it's a good thing. 523 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,440 Is it an election year? Yes. 524 00:20:12,820 --> 00:20:15,620 But anyway, um, could they have separate, you know, reasons for 525 00:20:15,630 --> 00:20:16,680 doing it now? I don't know. 526 00:20:16,730 --> 00:20:20,460 But anyway, one really, really good thing, and it's it's rife 527 00:20:20,510 --> 00:20:24,460 across the the whole system since we started, really, was 528 00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:26,340 the introduction of performance related pay. 529 00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:29,760 Because the idea of performance related pay is you'd set up some 530 00:20:29,770 --> 00:20:33,180 targets with your SLT, whatever your mentor in school over the 531 00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:34,150 year. And it will be to do with 532 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,380 progress for the children, usually in maths or English or 533 00:20:37,390 --> 00:20:39,510 linked to the school's performance plan and what 534 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,410 they're working on as a school. And that all makes sense. 535 00:20:42,420 --> 00:20:45,310 It's good to have targets, especially. 536 00:20:45,460 --> 00:20:47,590 We've been told as well previously that, you know, these 537 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,470 targets are stretch targets. They're targets where they're 538 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,830 really kind of, you know, aspirational. 539 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,280 It would be really amazing if you managed to move all of these 540 00:20:55,290 --> 00:20:58,230 children up to that level. It's more than what's expected 541 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,220 from you as a baseline. The problem is though, when the 542 00:21:01,230 --> 00:21:04,030 government changed all this, I think it was like in 2014 and 543 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:09,270 when Gove was the education secretary, they linked pay rises 544 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,450 and moving up the ladder, not just to experience anymore, but 545 00:21:12,460 --> 00:21:15,570 to whether you met these performance targets and a big 546 00:21:15,580 --> 00:21:18,240 thing schools could do then was set ridiculous targets. 547 00:21:18,350 --> 00:21:20,800 You're never going to meet them. You don't meet them because it's 548 00:21:20,810 --> 00:21:23,800 not reasonable to you. And then you'll pay isn't bumped 549 00:21:23,810 --> 00:21:26,320 up to the ladder. I'm not talking about a pay rise 550 00:21:26,330 --> 00:21:27,900 percentage, pay rise for inflation. 551 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,760 We're talking about the experience ladder, where you go 552 00:21:29,770 --> 00:21:31,740 up to the first wrong step and wrong as years goes on. 553 00:21:32,010 --> 00:21:36,910 So they're saying and that it works poorly in practise this 554 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,330 this does the the the government, sorry, the body who 555 00:21:39,340 --> 00:21:41,140 the government have paid to go off and do all this research 556 00:21:41,150 --> 00:21:43,170 have said this does not work in practise. 557 00:21:43,340 --> 00:21:46,750 It doesn't actually make sure that teachers get there or not. 558 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,850 It's not enough of a carrot for teachers to be able to achieve 559 00:21:49,860 --> 00:21:51,320 those goals because the goals are unreasonable. 560 00:21:51,330 --> 00:21:52,910 It doesn't matter what they've got in front of them. 561 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,910 Yeah, it just adds stress. It just means that some teachers 562 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,610 don't get a pay rise at the end of the year. 563 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,710 And what's your thoughts on scrapping? 564 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,730 That a couple of things. So it adds, you know, like you 565 00:22:01,740 --> 00:22:05,430 said, it does just add another layer where that just makes this 566 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,000 job ridiculously different depending on what school you 567 00:22:08,010 --> 00:22:08,480 work in. Sure. 568 00:22:08,490 --> 00:22:10,420 For some reason it's like ohh, there's public sector job, you 569 00:22:10,430 --> 00:22:12,810 did the same training, you're on the same pay scale in that 570 00:22:12,820 --> 00:22:15,120 school though they're gonna set a crazy target for they're not 571 00:22:15,130 --> 00:22:16,810 gonna give you a pay rise. Go over there and they will. 572 00:22:16,820 --> 00:22:18,320 It's like I'm the same person. Yeah. 573 00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:19,890 So that's that's just stupid. I hate that. 574 00:22:19,900 --> 00:22:23,090 So I do agree with you know, it's not the best system if 575 00:22:23,100 --> 00:22:25,570 we're supposed to have this lovely public, fair public 576 00:22:25,580 --> 00:22:26,990 sector job where everyone paid the same. 577 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,080 So if you're you know someone who's not in teaching and you 578 00:22:29,090 --> 00:22:31,090 look at this, I can imagine people look at this and go I've 579 00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:33,360 got performance related pay. I've got sales targets and need 580 00:22:33,370 --> 00:22:35,010 to meet to get Commission and things like that. 581 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:36,790 Someone really. Maybe I'm gonna state agent, I'm 582 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,500 gonna really low base salary and unless we meet our targets in 583 00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:42,480 branch then I don't get paid as much and that's that's because 584 00:22:42,490 --> 00:22:43,760 you're making money for the business. 585 00:22:43,810 --> 00:22:45,630 What what do you think is different about a teacher? 586 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,570 Why should teachers not have it? Why why do we. 587 00:22:47,580 --> 00:22:49,600 Not annoying me, I was about to ask you the same question. 588 00:22:49,610 --> 00:22:51,780 So that's my that's my counter thought all the time. 589 00:22:51,790 --> 00:22:53,780 Is anyone in the private sector right now? 590 00:22:53,790 --> 00:22:57,550 I was thinking performance related pay is pretty, pretty 591 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:58,650 standard stuff. Sure. 592 00:22:58,700 --> 00:23:00,910 So I understand that the sympathies might not be there 593 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,150 when we're saying to scrap it. So I don't, I don't necessarily 594 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,430 think we should just scrap it. Yeah, because at the end of the 595 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,850 day, do people perform differently? 596 00:23:08,860 --> 00:23:12,560 Will people work harder? Will people be trying to improve 597 00:23:12,570 --> 00:23:14,830 themselves at a different rate? And should should there be any 598 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,290 kind of renumeration for it? Maybe, but I don't think that's 599 00:23:18,300 --> 00:23:20,590 true. And we've worked in schools long 600 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,910 enough to realise this, that the amount of work and hours you can 601 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,100 put into a cohort doesn't always necessarily translate to how 602 00:23:28,110 --> 00:23:29,250 much progress they're gonna make. 603 00:23:29,290 --> 00:23:32,980 It's not like sales where the more telephones you pick up. 604 00:23:33,030 --> 00:23:35,220 Hmm. And the more calls you make, the 605 00:23:35,230 --> 00:23:37,820 more sales you make. Yeah, the more hours you put in, 606 00:23:37,890 --> 00:23:41,000 the more sales you're complete. Therefore, you're gonna kind of 607 00:23:41,010 --> 00:23:43,480 kind of linked to the amount of effort you put in with this. 608 00:23:43,490 --> 00:23:45,180 Really. You know if I sit and replan the 609 00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:49,120 entire English curriculum, maybe one or two Cosby children might 610 00:23:49,130 --> 00:23:51,820 get through that didn't before because they, you know, they 611 00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:53,960 relate more to the text and they're more engaged. 612 00:23:54,290 --> 00:23:56,520 Your teaching style isn't gonna change because of performance 613 00:23:56,530 --> 00:23:57,330 related pay. Yeah. 614 00:23:57,340 --> 00:24:00,600 I'm not gonna suddenly become that teacher who now manages to 615 00:24:00,610 --> 00:24:03,240 make it form an amazing bond with this child who was so 616 00:24:03,250 --> 00:24:04,780 reluctant before. But now that I've got 617 00:24:04,790 --> 00:24:07,240 performance related pay, wow, I've made a real difference to 618 00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:08,040 that child. Hmm. 619 00:24:08,090 --> 00:24:09,780 It's it's not as linear, I don't think. 620 00:24:09,790 --> 00:24:12,600 And what's really interesting from this is the research says 621 00:24:12,610 --> 00:24:15,100 from this task force that it doesn't work in practise. 622 00:24:15,150 --> 00:24:17,600 It's this idea. And I think sometimes in culture 623 00:24:17,610 --> 00:24:20,110 we think that's what we always do, that's what everyone else 624 00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:21,980 does. Well, why don't we just carry 625 00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:24,950 well, you know, if the research is saying no, if the research 626 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,270 says working from home for a private company doesn't impact 627 00:24:28,340 --> 00:24:31,160 whatsoever with the output of the company and it makes people 628 00:24:31,170 --> 00:24:33,570 happier, we don't just, we shouldn't just turn around and 629 00:24:33,580 --> 00:24:35,980 say, oh, but we've always been in the office, so come back into 630 00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:38,190 the office, please, You need to react to research. 631 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,900 And if it's saying it doesn't work and it's only adding stress 632 00:24:40,910 --> 00:24:43,970 to the job, there's already 74 other things that stress out 633 00:24:43,980 --> 00:24:45,530 enough. It's one less thing to worry. 634 00:24:45,540 --> 00:24:48,170 About so do you think it should go back to or if it was like 635 00:24:48,180 --> 00:24:51,030 this war but just guaranteed every year you go up a point? 636 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,760 Yeah, I do. On on the main pay scale, yeah, 637 00:24:53,810 --> 00:24:55,620 I I don't mind that at all because the main pay scale, 638 00:24:55,630 --> 00:24:59,100 you've got to remember we're talking like 2 grand a year, 639 00:24:59,170 --> 00:25:00,840 right? We're not talking unbelievably 640 00:25:00,850 --> 00:25:03,600 high amounts of money. And naturally, if you've been a 641 00:25:03,610 --> 00:25:06,340 teacher for one or two years, it doesn't mean you're worse than a 642 00:25:06,350 --> 00:25:08,600 teacher that's been there for four or five years necessarily. 643 00:25:08,670 --> 00:25:11,260 But on the whole, in general, you do improve. 644 00:25:11,270 --> 00:25:13,680 Yeah, you're probably gonna be better than your two year pre 645 00:25:13,690 --> 00:25:14,970 yourself. Because you've taught this, 646 00:25:14,980 --> 00:25:16,180 you've done different year groups. 647 00:25:16,190 --> 00:25:18,440 Now you're more of an asset to the school in terms of your 648 00:25:18,610 --> 00:25:19,930 experience. Confidence. 649 00:25:19,940 --> 00:25:21,610 Yeah. And and I I look at it 650 00:25:21,620 --> 00:25:22,940 personally. This is how I look at the pay 651 00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:24,710 scale for teachers. I look at the pay scales 652 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,970 teachers as top of the main pay scale, which is about 38 grand 653 00:25:27,980 --> 00:25:29,440 now. I think 40 grand something like 654 00:25:29,450 --> 00:25:31,380 that. I look at that as the salary for 655 00:25:31,390 --> 00:25:33,430 being a teacher. Yeah, so that is a salary of 656 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,430 being a teacher. We start off too low and we're 657 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,480 working our way up to the teacher salary. 658 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,650 I don't see it as the teacher salary is 30 grand. 659 00:25:40,660 --> 00:25:42,330 Prove yourself. Be better to get more. 660 00:25:42,380 --> 00:25:44,010 Yeah, I see yourself as 40 grand. 661 00:25:44,020 --> 00:25:46,290 Work for five years, gain your experience, got the main pay 662 00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:48,580 scale and then that's the level of a teacher. 663 00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:49,560 That's a good way to think about it. 664 00:25:49,630 --> 00:25:52,070 That's how I look at it and that's why I think going up, you 665 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,230 just earning your stripes. Yeah, I don't necessarily agree 666 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,990 with it. I I absolutely despise the fact 667 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,410 that an ECT gets paid. I think it's roughly 12 grand or 668 00:26:01,420 --> 00:26:04,650 13 grand less than someone who's been doing it for four or five 669 00:26:04,660 --> 00:26:09,910 years when in my opinion they're doing the same job that that's 670 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,890 mad to me. I I've I've never really liked 671 00:26:11,900 --> 00:26:14,130 the whole experience. Automatically means money, which 672 00:26:14,140 --> 00:26:15,410 is what I'm saying we should go back to. 673 00:26:15,530 --> 00:26:18,550 But equally don't think that performance related pay when 674 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,340 your SLT are setting different targets than other schools that 675 00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:23,890 could be harsher or better. I don't think either system is 676 00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:25,860 ideal. I just think if you're teaching 677 00:26:25,870 --> 00:26:29,260 kids, you should just get paid to teach the kids. 678 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,430 If you've done it for three years or five years, should you 679 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:33,580 get 4 grand more? It's hard. 680 00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:36,490 I think there's more like psychology behind it, I think. 681 00:26:36,500 --> 00:26:38,050 Do you think it retains people more? 682 00:26:38,060 --> 00:26:40,170 Yeah, I think there is. There's got to be an element of. 683 00:26:40,260 --> 00:26:41,770 And not enough people are leaving. 684 00:26:41,890 --> 00:26:44,030 Yeah, well, as I'm saying, like if there wasn't a. 685 00:26:44,460 --> 00:26:46,210 Do you think more people would? I'm just imagining, I'm just 686 00:26:46,220 --> 00:26:48,310 imagining a scenario right where there was no pay scale at all. 687 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,590 It was just everyone comes in at this is what we pay teachers. 688 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,950 Everyone gets paid 40 grand. I just feel like people like me 689 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,980 and you who especially early on in our careers were like super, 690 00:26:56,990 --> 00:26:58,810 super driven, like aspiration wise one. 691 00:26:58,820 --> 00:27:00,890 I want to earn more. I want to be high on, be more 692 00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:03,920 important than school, whatever I think we would have been like. 693 00:27:04,540 --> 00:27:07,170 But you know. What day one I'll never even get 694 00:27:07,180 --> 00:27:08,550 paid. Like, why should I improve? 695 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,330 Why should I get better in any aspect? 696 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,340 Nothing to reward. Me. 697 00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:14,250 That's interesting, because the I thought the same thing, but 698 00:27:14,260 --> 00:27:16,670 just five years down the line. Yeah, I looked at it and I 699 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,390 thought, OK, I already know what I'll be on when I'm 28. 700 00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:21,990 Hmm. And I didn't like. 701 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,990 That exactly. So imagine it was from day one. 702 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,050 Yeah, sure. But I think I agree. 703 00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:29,310 But I also think all that might be replaced with then is I 704 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,990 think, paying teachers adequately for doing extra work. 705 00:27:32,060 --> 00:27:34,030 For example if you're just a class teacher, 40 grand. 706 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,750 Your class teacher, you who's been here for two years and you, 707 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,770 who's doing it for 10 years, you're still both class 708 00:27:38,780 --> 00:27:40,110 teachers. You're still both sharing 709 00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:41,430 planning equally. Hmm. 710 00:27:41,470 --> 00:27:44,760 Like you're just saying you're better so you get 10 grand more. 711 00:27:44,810 --> 00:27:46,780 Yeah. Whereas maybe if it's all at the 712 00:27:46,790 --> 00:27:50,180 same, I don't know the same renumeration, we might recruit 713 00:27:50,190 --> 00:27:54,330 more people because it's higher and then in the job you would 714 00:27:54,340 --> 00:27:56,340 then my point was we had to reform everything. 715 00:27:56,350 --> 00:27:58,560 It doesn't work currently because if you're a class 716 00:27:58,570 --> 00:28:00,080 teacher and you get X amount of money, cool. 717 00:28:00,130 --> 00:28:03,260 But then if you lead geography, you get a bunch actually get 718 00:28:03,270 --> 00:28:04,820 paid more. If you lead maths, you get a 719 00:28:04,830 --> 00:28:06,360 bonus. Then the aspiration comes in 720 00:28:06,370 --> 00:28:09,730 leading something or or taking on this kind of role within the 721 00:28:09,740 --> 00:28:10,960 school to make the school better. 722 00:28:11,030 --> 00:28:12,240 That's. Renumerated. 723 00:28:12,250 --> 00:28:14,410 It has to be monetary value. I was gonna, I was gonna say, 724 00:28:14,420 --> 00:28:17,500 like a lot of private companies have bonuses, right? 725 00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:19,130 Sure. They'll be bonuses for people's 726 00:28:19,140 --> 00:28:21,330 performance as well as their pay rises or whatever. 727 00:28:21,340 --> 00:28:22,670 Yeah. So if if we've got this scenario 728 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,830 where no one's being paid anymore, I think we'd within one 729 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,710 year, the entire nation would go to the point where we feel right 730 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,050 now where we feel stagnated by not going up with strikes and 731 00:28:32,060 --> 00:28:33,230 stuff. And you know what that makes me 732 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,970 feel? And I know a lot of people. 733 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,390 It's like, cool, I won't do any more work then. 734 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,590 Yeah, it's almost that spiteful thing of like, OK, if you think 735 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,440 I'm not worth any more money the next year when I'm more 736 00:28:40,450 --> 00:28:42,080 experienced than I won't do anything else. 737 00:28:42,460 --> 00:28:45,020 I will purposely do nothing more is almost how I want. 738 00:28:45,030 --> 00:28:46,100 Yeah. I want people to be like that 739 00:28:46,110 --> 00:28:47,850 because that's the point of the strikes. 740 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,110 So I think if I was on the same pay without any kind of new 741 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,610 system, right. Everyone's just like, no, 742 00:28:52,620 --> 00:28:53,760 everyone just gets paid 40 grand. 743 00:28:53,770 --> 00:28:56,730 Now, then I think you'd see a lot of people just not really 744 00:28:56,740 --> 00:28:58,270 doing it much extra. You wouldn't get those people 745 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,000 going above and beyond like they are now. 746 00:29:00,010 --> 00:29:02,110 Because I think the current system does kind of trick people 747 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,450 into thinking or if I'm going up from 26 to 28 grand, I will do 748 00:29:05,460 --> 00:29:06,330 that club. Sure. 749 00:29:06,380 --> 00:29:07,800 OK. I'll prove myself I'm worth 750 00:29:07,810 --> 00:29:08,830 that. You're absolutely right. 751 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,290 It does trick people into doing because. 752 00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:13,600 Currently the base level for a teacher is 20, 27.8 grands, 30. 753 00:29:13,610 --> 00:29:15,140 Right. 30 grand. It's moving to that. 754 00:29:15,150 --> 00:29:16,380 It has already. But it is. 755 00:29:16,390 --> 00:29:17,810 It's it's gonna be 30. Or at least it is. 756 00:29:17,820 --> 00:29:19,760 Yeah. So let's say it's 30 grand. 757 00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:21,400 That now is the base level for a teacher. 758 00:29:21,410 --> 00:29:23,300 And then you justify the leaps by doing extra work. 759 00:29:23,310 --> 00:29:24,900 Exactly So. So that's how they getting more 760 00:29:24,910 --> 00:29:25,630 work hours. Yeah. 761 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,240 So I think the base level for a teacher should be M6, which is 762 00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:31,240 the top of the main pay scale. That's just what I believe. 763 00:29:31,310 --> 00:29:33,820 And because you're still doing the same job but then anything 764 00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:37,300 extra, if you pick up extra things or if you get better, 765 00:29:37,310 --> 00:29:40,050 maybe that's what upper pay range would before you know use 766 00:29:40,060 --> 00:29:41,880 the upper pay range for that for that in that case. 767 00:29:41,890 --> 00:29:44,780 Because at the minute pay range, again for anyone who doesn't 768 00:29:44,790 --> 00:29:47,560 know, there's a main pay scale for schools that goes when we 769 00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:51,180 started it went from like 24 up to like 35 Right now it's moved, 770 00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:55,820 I think it goes up to about it's like 30 to 4042 maybe. 771 00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:58,680 And the first level of upper pay range is now 43. 772 00:29:58,890 --> 00:30:03,200 So it's a separate scale, right? And a lot of schools still now 773 00:30:03,210 --> 00:30:06,340 cling on to the fact that if you move to the upper pay range you 774 00:30:06,350 --> 00:30:09,840 have to be leading a subject. You have to be doing loads extra 775 00:30:09,850 --> 00:30:12,340 to really justify moving from just the range of a classroom 776 00:30:12,350 --> 00:30:15,530 teacher to doing extra stuff. My point would be classroom 777 00:30:15,540 --> 00:30:17,690 teachers should be paid a base amount which is good for that 778 00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:21,420 job and that anything extra. You either use TLS if you're 779 00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:23,910 leading just maths for example, you get an extra amount of money 780 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,570 for doing that. Or if you then do more for the 781 00:30:26,580 --> 00:30:29,410 school in general, perhaps you are, you know, overseeing upper 782 00:30:29,420 --> 00:30:31,860 key stage two or you're a year group leader or something like 783 00:30:31,870 --> 00:30:33,480 that. Justify it through putting them 784 00:30:33,490 --> 00:30:35,810 through to the next stage and you have this kind of two tier 785 00:30:35,820 --> 00:30:39,330 system of OK, if you're an ECT or just the classroom teachers 786 00:30:39,340 --> 00:30:42,210 been doing it for eight years. You, in my opinion are doing the 787 00:30:42,220 --> 00:30:44,780 same job and I don't think anyone could actually really 788 00:30:44,790 --> 00:30:47,440 begrudge apart from experience, the fact that you get paid the 789 00:30:47,450 --> 00:30:48,520 same. I reckon people, would you? 790 00:30:48,530 --> 00:30:49,220 Know. Yeah, they would. 791 00:30:49,230 --> 00:30:50,960 They would because of the traditional thing, though. 792 00:30:50,970 --> 00:30:53,720 Yeah, if you've got that experience, OK, So what are you 793 00:30:53,730 --> 00:30:56,120 bringing more than the other person? 794 00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:59,140 Are you their mentor? No, it might just be that you're 795 00:30:59,150 --> 00:31:00,980 just getting better results, you're more confident you know 796 00:31:00,990 --> 00:31:02,480 you're doing, you don't need, you don't require as much. 797 00:31:02,490 --> 00:31:04,170 Support. In that case, if you're getting 798 00:31:04,180 --> 00:31:06,490 more, if you're getting more results, you could justify going 799 00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:10,140 to the pay range, yeah, yeah. So I don't mind having some form 800 00:31:10,150 --> 00:31:13,560 of performance related pay when it's off the main pay scale, but 801 00:31:13,570 --> 00:31:17,190 if it's just the idea of just doing that job, I don't know. 802 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,280 I I think there's a huge discrepancy there and I don't 803 00:31:19,290 --> 00:31:21,730 think it's a bad thing that the starting salaries gone up. 804 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,430 Hmm, no, not I don't think it's bad that we've basically 805 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,820 squashing that main pay scale. Personally, it's annoying for us 806 00:31:26,830 --> 00:31:28,930 because we've gone through the main pay scale and we started on 807 00:31:28,940 --> 00:31:31,530 22 grand, like you know, we started on really low. 808 00:31:31,540 --> 00:31:34,290 But if you just let go of that for a second, objectively it's 809 00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:36,710 better that they're putting up the starting salary, I think. 810 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,950 As long as yeah, in this, in our made-up system here. 811 00:31:39,020 --> 00:31:41,870 As long as there is has to be widespread, there has to be a 812 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,320 bonus system. There just has to be. 813 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,910 There has to be. I just don't think. 814 00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:47,900 Yeah, I think of what you've had one year, right, where you got 815 00:31:47,910 --> 00:31:50,500 two teachers on the same pay. Yeah, one of them does the bare 816 00:31:50,510 --> 00:31:52,090 minimum for the job. Yeah, OK, fine. 817 00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:53,880 They're doing the job right. And the other one just goes 818 00:31:53,890 --> 00:31:56,090 above and beyond all the time. They run all these extra clubs 819 00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:58,730 they take their kids to on trips and they do these things. 820 00:31:58,740 --> 00:31:59,940 They just require loads of extra planning. 821 00:31:59,950 --> 00:32:03,180 And at the end of the end of the year they go there, they head 822 00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:04,520 teacher, OK, what am I on next year? 823 00:32:04,530 --> 00:32:07,480 Obviously I've done tonnes more work than here and they're like, 824 00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:10,730 oh, same pay again. And it's like, OK, so if there 825 00:32:10,740 --> 00:32:12,480 is a system where it's like, OK, you can go up to the other pay 826 00:32:12,490 --> 00:32:14,270 scale actually, because I tell you what, you are doing all 827 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,830 these extra things, they're not. That's their choice. 828 00:32:15,910 --> 00:32:17,710 Come on, you stay there. You're doing all these extra 829 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,790 things. But that then to me, it's just 830 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,630 like this whole thing is just justifying. 831 00:32:21,820 --> 00:32:23,670 That already exists though, yeah. 832 00:32:23,740 --> 00:32:27,150 That already exists now, I know. And then we were like, what's 833 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,810 the point? I'm getting paid 12 grand less. 834 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,410 When we started as ET, right? We were getting paid less than 835 00:32:33,420 --> 00:32:36,530 what we are now, three days a week at the top of the scale. 836 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,570 And we were getting paid less than, never mind inflation and 837 00:32:39,580 --> 00:32:41,450 pay rises and stuff. We were getting paid less than 838 00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:43,610 than someone who was part time at the top of the pay scale. 839 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,150 That rinsed me. I was like, that's horrendous. 840 00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:47,440 Yeah. So we can't pretend that it's 841 00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:49,270 working now. That's true, But there used to 842 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,990 be a bit more of a bonus system. Didn't they used to be 843 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,260 retention? Retention like schools used to 844 00:32:53,270 --> 00:32:56,680 have a lot more power to to basically, yeah, just pay, pay 845 00:32:56,690 --> 00:32:59,240 their teachers like a bonus at end of the year to retain them. 846 00:32:59,290 --> 00:33:01,080 If they're really good teachers, you know they're going to. 847 00:33:01,090 --> 00:33:02,630 Golden handcuffs thing, wasn't it? 848 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,760 You can't move for three years, but here's. 6 grand, yeah. 849 00:33:04,770 --> 00:33:06,380 Then they used to have that power and they did it all the 850 00:33:06,390 --> 00:33:08,570 time and they just don't. I think the system still exists, 851 00:33:08,580 --> 00:33:11,600 they just don't have the budget. So there is no retention 852 00:33:11,610 --> 00:33:14,360 bonuses. But yeah, overall I think scrap, 853 00:33:14,370 --> 00:33:16,600 scrap, the performance rate related pay because it does just 854 00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:18,090 get abused. I don't actually think it works 855 00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:19,490 very well. I think we need to be very 856 00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:22,050 careful about what comes in, in its place. 857 00:33:22,060 --> 00:33:24,020 There has to be, you know in the same way we talk about Ofsted 858 00:33:24,030 --> 00:33:26,810 later, there has to be something I guess that makes sure people 859 00:33:26,820 --> 00:33:29,330 are doing their job properly. But I don't think we should link 860 00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:31,700 it to, but I just you know the standard pay. 861 00:33:31,710 --> 00:33:34,320 Scale there going out for more trust army when you join in the 862 00:33:34,330 --> 00:33:37,950 state agency or if you join in the shortage broker or have you 863 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,190 join anything that's kind of in the High Street and there's 864 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,680 there's this kind of performance related pay thing and you're 865 00:33:42,690 --> 00:33:45,490 earning your stripes and and it helps you to train more and get 866 00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:47,170 better. It's an incentive to improve, 867 00:33:47,180 --> 00:33:49,190 right. That's very different to us 868 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,010 who've done years of training and our professionals and have 869 00:33:52,020 --> 00:33:53,750 done stuff in. There has to be a level of trust 870 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,430 here. Yeah, it's not the same as some 871 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,480 sales job that a 16 year old can walk into on the High Street. 872 00:33:59,660 --> 00:34:02,630 We don't need to have the same kind of pay performance level. 873 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,470 We are already qualified, have passed strenuous tests. 874 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,239 We are professional teachers. I think there has to be 875 00:34:08,250 --> 00:34:10,969 reflected in how we're paid. We don't then have to justify 876 00:34:10,980 --> 00:34:14,010 every year like yes, we have to have something in place, but I 877 00:34:14,020 --> 00:34:15,130 think at the minute it's not working. 878 00:34:15,139 --> 00:34:17,219 But luckily the government they've reacted to a couple of 879 00:34:17,230 --> 00:34:18,880 these things already. They've said they're going to 880 00:34:18,889 --> 00:34:21,739 urgently rapidly review this and try and replace PRP. 881 00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:24,790 Well, fortunately paid by the excitement by next year a less 882 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,070 bureaucratic way to manage performance fairly and 883 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,590 transparent and that's only a good thing. 884 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,210 But watch this space we'll see. I think that's a good thing. 885 00:34:31,219 --> 00:34:33,449 Yeah. Next thing on the list this 886 00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:35,300 again all of these are really interesting to me. 887 00:34:35,310 --> 00:34:36,710 This is something you're really passionate about. 888 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,650 So I'm gonna introduce I want you to crack on with it. 889 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,620 It's the idea that they've said okay schools and trusts because 890 00:34:42,630 --> 00:34:45,730 this is something we come on to later schools around by local 891 00:34:45,739 --> 00:34:48,440 councils. Trusts are their own kind of 892 00:34:48,449 --> 00:34:50,060 business. Lots of schools are moving to 893 00:34:50,070 --> 00:34:51,699 trusts. You don't quite understand the 894 00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:52,679 difference. We'll go into that later. 895 00:34:52,690 --> 00:34:54,840 But just for now know that trusts have more autonomy. 896 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,550 Schools are more answerable to local authority. 897 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:58,080 Council. Yeah. 898 00:34:58,090 --> 00:34:59,800 Yeah. So schools and trusts should 899 00:34:59,810 --> 00:35:03,520 consider assigning a senior leader with dedicated. 900 00:35:03,530 --> 00:35:04,880 So this is their debt, that's it. 901 00:35:04,930 --> 00:35:08,400 Their responsibility is simply to improve well-being and reduce 902 00:35:08,410 --> 00:35:10,640 workload. Now we see this in schools at 903 00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:12,890 the minute. This does happen sometimes, but 904 00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:17,180 it might often be a teacher, a teaching assistant, a side thing 905 00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:20,110 to tick off for their like, you know, that's my appraisal target 906 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,820 is for well-being. There might be a questionnaire 907 00:35:21,830 --> 00:35:23,810 every now and then. This is very different. 908 00:35:23,980 --> 00:35:27,570 Senior leader. Yeah, dedicated to well-being 909 00:35:27,580 --> 00:35:29,350 and reducing workload. Why is that so? 910 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,370 Important right? Someone in the SLT doing this is 911 00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:35,440 so so important and already even like the should consider. 912 00:35:35,450 --> 00:35:36,820 I'm like no, that needs to not be. 913 00:35:36,830 --> 00:35:38,400 I should consider it should be as important as. 914 00:35:38,410 --> 00:35:40,290 Does your school need a deputy head teacher? 915 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:41,190 Yes. OK. 916 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,390 They also you also need this person. 917 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,150 So important. I think it's fair to say that 918 00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:49,580 none of this will happen. This change will never ever 919 00:35:49,590 --> 00:35:52,280 happen or become another one of the 1000 mix that we have in 920 00:35:52,290 --> 00:35:55,000 teaching, because so much of teacher education world is just 921 00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:57,460 a gimmick, just gimmick after gimmick after gimmick after 922 00:35:57,470 --> 00:35:59,420 promise after promise after broken, whatever. 923 00:35:59,910 --> 00:36:03,040 I don't think any of this will happen if we don't have someone 924 00:36:03,050 --> 00:36:06,560 who is wholly accountable for it, Someone high up that leads 925 00:36:06,570 --> 00:36:08,740 this is, you know, involved in leading the school. 926 00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:12,100 Absolutely. Like their job is on the line 927 00:36:12,110 --> 00:36:14,340 for doing this, you know? I mean, it's part of their job. 928 00:36:14,350 --> 00:36:15,570 It'd be like us walking into school. 929 00:36:15,580 --> 00:36:17,000 I'm like, Nah, I'm not teaching today. 930 00:36:17,490 --> 00:36:18,980 That's how. That's how serious it would be 931 00:36:18,990 --> 00:36:21,060 taken if they said no, I'm not going to, we're not going to do 932 00:36:21,070 --> 00:36:22,110 well-being. No, no, no. 933 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,590 Your school doesn't function without this, you know, this 934 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:25,370 doesn't. It's broken. 935 00:36:25,380 --> 00:36:28,490 Now you need this person. So yes, very, very passionate 936 00:36:28,940 --> 00:36:31,540 about this, purely because I just think that without the 937 00:36:31,550 --> 00:36:33,780 accountability it will not happen. 938 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,860 The big word for me in there is dedicated, because what I can 939 00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:38,790 see happening a lot now, maybe it's already happening. 940 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,490 People have experience of this, someone already an SLT who has a 941 00:36:43,540 --> 00:36:46,080 kind of responsibility already. Let's say it's EM provision. 942 00:36:46,140 --> 00:36:48,870 Let's say it's teaching and learning across the school like 943 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,550 this really big thing. We'll also tag on the end. 944 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,430 I'm also well-being manager and that there is immediately a 945 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,210 detriment. Like there is immediately kind 946 00:36:57,220 --> 00:36:59,170 of a crossroads there if they're gonna clash. 947 00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:03,670 Because objectively, if you are leading teaching and learning in 948 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,670 the school and you're leading SEM provision by by default, 949 00:37:07,780 --> 00:37:10,750 every year for SN is getting more and more children who need 950 00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:12,890 special provisions. That's true. 951 00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:14,980 And every year, for teaching and learning, it feels like there's 952 00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:16,540 something else that's going to happen that we're going to. 953 00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:18,930 Have to stand as a higher. Higher frameworks, the bars, 954 00:37:18,940 --> 00:37:20,090 higher. We've got to get up the league 955 00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:23,560 tables immediately. Your gut there on how to fix 956 00:37:23,570 --> 00:37:25,640 that will be to increase workload for your staff because 957 00:37:25,650 --> 00:37:26,840 they've got to deliver different things. 958 00:37:26,850 --> 00:37:29,000 They got to plan more stuff, they've got to write more ieps, 959 00:37:29,010 --> 00:37:32,400 They've got to you know apply for some funding for for these 960 00:37:32,410 --> 00:37:34,360 children in their class. They've got to put extra time in 961 00:37:34,370 --> 00:37:36,960 to help them. Your initial thought there is, 962 00:37:36,970 --> 00:37:40,720 OK, more work for those guys, but your well-being manager just 963 00:37:40,730 --> 00:37:42,520 offer them a younger class at end of the time. 964 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,840 It will be that's. What's so dedicated is really 965 00:37:44,850 --> 00:37:47,670 important to me because the responsibility should be for a 966 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,090 well-being manager is to have an ear on the ground, and you are 967 00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:53,930 representing your staff at that point who are representing the 968 00:37:53,940 --> 00:37:55,840 school. It could even be that a teacher 969 00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:57,400 joins SLT. Hmm. 970 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:58,740 But they're still just a teacher. 971 00:37:58,750 --> 00:38:01,200 But they join SLT meetings. Yeah, they're there on that. 972 00:38:01,210 --> 00:38:04,040 When decisions are made, the well-being manager, whose sole 973 00:38:04,050 --> 00:38:06,300 job is to be, well-being manager, has to be there to say 974 00:38:06,370 --> 00:38:10,030 OK, well what's the payoff? For example, I know in our 975 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,890 school last year we did this big rollout of a new curriculum in 976 00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:14,800 the afternoon, which is fantastic. 977 00:38:14,850 --> 00:38:17,290 It's a really good curriculum, but it was a lot of work for our 978 00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:19,050 staff. It was a lot of work. 979 00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:21,850 We're maths leads. There's no well-being manager in 980 00:38:21,860 --> 00:38:25,180 our school, but as mass it would be very easy for us to walk in 981 00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:27,450 and say, OK, cool. By the way, we are completely 982 00:38:27,460 --> 00:38:30,730 revamping how we do times tables across the entire school also, 983 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,200 and the planning, it's OK, but I think for these three topics we 984 00:38:34,210 --> 00:38:35,780 need to take. This course with new scheme. 985 00:38:35,790 --> 00:38:38,720 We're gonna go to a new scheme. Yeah, we we absolutely could 986 00:38:38,730 --> 00:38:40,920 have walked in and said that. And we have the backing of our 987 00:38:40,930 --> 00:38:43,770 SLT, which is, which is really nice to be in that position 988 00:38:43,780 --> 00:38:46,370 where we know that if we think something's good, SLT will have 989 00:38:46,380 --> 00:38:49,810 our back. But we also had to consciously 990 00:38:49,820 --> 00:38:53,250 be say to ourselves, no, there may be things that are 991 00:38:53,260 --> 00:38:56,440 objectively for maths if everyone does them right now. 992 00:38:56,510 --> 00:38:59,040 But during this time where, including us as class teachers, 993 00:38:59,050 --> 00:39:01,940 we're planning more and more for an afternoon curriculum, we have 994 00:39:01,950 --> 00:39:04,340 to balance it out. And the idea of someone, yeah, 995 00:39:04,350 --> 00:39:07,020 the idea of someone being dedicated in SLT, that would 996 00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:09,020 already be on the table before it got to us. 997 00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:11,550 It would be, it would be a linchpin where they've got all 998 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,590 their fingers in all the pies they know the English team are 999 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,550 planning, revamping this, this curriculum. 1000 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,100 They know their history leads over there thinking all we need 1001 00:39:18,110 --> 00:39:20,400 to add in some extra tasks at the end of each unit. 1002 00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:23,360 They're going to have all of that in their mind thinking, OK, 1003 00:39:23,370 --> 00:39:26,200 well, this in English League. If we're going to do this, I 1004 00:39:26,210 --> 00:39:28,000 need to go and talk to these other guys because we can't 1005 00:39:28,010 --> 00:39:30,510 introduce that yet. It's gonna be a timetable thing. 1006 00:39:30,580 --> 00:39:33,950 It has to be proactive because we've seen what schools like. 1007 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,410 You can go for a lull in a school. 1008 00:39:35,420 --> 00:39:37,370 It's very rare. But you can go for a lull where 1009 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,870 everything's kind of chugging along. 1010 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,590 It's like, OK, well, we've just changed that. 1011 00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:43,930 It's OK At the minute, suddenly three different subject leads 1012 00:39:43,940 --> 00:39:46,540 will get really passionate about something, which is great from 1013 00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:47,970 their point of view. And I think, OK, look, 1014 00:39:47,980 --> 00:39:49,390 everything's running along. It's quite quiet. 1015 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:50,970 Let's do this. Now let's let's do that. 1016 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,340 All of a sudden, within the time, you've got 4 curriculums 1017 00:39:53,350 --> 00:39:55,030 to change. Yeah, you've got four things to 1018 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,430 do. So I think that's really 1019 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:57,850 important. It was interesting to me, the 1020 00:39:57,860 --> 00:39:59,710 government replied to quite a few of these things. 1021 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,010 It didn't reply to this. They've got a history, haven't 1022 00:40:02,020 --> 00:40:03,170 they? Have kind of not liking this 1023 00:40:03,180 --> 00:40:05,080 idea. You know I've my genuine 1024 00:40:05,090 --> 00:40:06,810 thoughts are right. I think it's a bit of a Unicorn 1025 00:40:06,820 --> 00:40:09,710 role. I I reckon I have to see it to 1026 00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:11,450 believe it right? Because I'm thinking about this 1027 00:40:11,460 --> 00:40:15,150 scenario where we go from what we are now to having dedicated 1028 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,350 well-being leaders in schools. Right. 1029 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,730 How do we get there right they've got to employ someone. 1030 00:40:20,020 --> 00:40:23,190 What are the chances that a school that maybe is a bit more 1031 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,930 toxic actually go no, we're gonna do the right thing this 1032 00:40:25,940 --> 00:40:27,000 time. We're gonna employ someone that 1033 00:40:27,010 --> 00:40:29,880 really will challenge us. What's the chances they do that 1034 00:40:29,930 --> 00:40:32,840 Or they employ someone that they know will just be they can just 1035 00:40:32,850 --> 00:40:34,800 puppet master again. Yeah, like, I think it's gonna 1036 00:40:34,810 --> 00:40:37,160 be a really, really, really, really hard thing to actually 1037 00:40:37,170 --> 00:40:40,160 get schools that really need this to go from having horrible 1038 00:40:40,170 --> 00:40:43,810 workload and terribly toxic schools to employing one person 1039 00:40:43,890 --> 00:40:46,840 who hasn't got the the confidence to come in and. 1040 00:40:47,530 --> 00:40:50,820 Say. Yeah, we've got the confidence 1041 00:40:50,830 --> 00:40:53,600 to challenge it and actually make a difference because I just 1042 00:40:53,610 --> 00:40:55,710 don't. I think it's going to be really 1043 00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:57,320 hard for schools. To do that and and and you're 1044 00:40:57,330 --> 00:40:59,710 right, because it will be easy to do in schools where already 1045 00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:00,760 you can have that. Dialogue. 1046 00:41:00,770 --> 00:41:03,070 So ohh, I've got this. I've got this teacher in year 1047 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,230 six who already have tonnes of work and it's totally on on the 1048 00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:07,420 head teacher now. Right now thinking OK I'm going 1049 00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:09,930 to see if she will be the work, the well-being and workload 1050 00:41:09,940 --> 00:41:12,080 manager because I tell you what she'll just do whatever I say. 1051 00:41:12,090 --> 00:41:13,510 She's trying to work out her career. 1052 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,090 You do that. OK, we all, we tick the boxes, 1053 00:41:17,340 --> 00:41:19,640 we've got, we've got it now all look how good we are and 1054 00:41:19,650 --> 00:41:22,000 actually not doing anything. Yeah, I think that could happen. 1055 00:41:22,070 --> 00:41:23,610 So we have to be really, really careful. 1056 00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:25,960 However, it does leave me on to the next point, the next point 1057 00:41:25,970 --> 00:41:28,520 here as well, because when I read this, my first thought was 1058 00:41:28,530 --> 00:41:30,260 OK, someone needs to keep their head teacher in check. 1059 00:41:30,270 --> 00:41:30,790 Them. Sure. 1060 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,720 Because because yeah, by by, by proxy, everyone SLT your head 1061 00:41:33,730 --> 00:41:34,530 teacher stole your. Boss. 1062 00:41:34,540 --> 00:41:36,470 Yeah, exactly. And actually the chances are 1063 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,110 you're going to be closer to them and anyone else in the 1064 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,930 school and probably trying to impress them, trying to be on 1065 00:41:39,940 --> 00:41:41,570 their side. Sure, because you're a team at 1066 00:41:41,580 --> 00:41:44,270 that point, right? But the next point I was like, 1067 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,160 this is good because the next point here is DfE may want to 1068 00:41:47,170 --> 00:41:49,500 consider having a designated governor as well-being champion. 1069 00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:53,170 Now again, if you're not in schools, head teacher is at the 1070 00:41:53,180 --> 00:41:55,230 top of the pile really. And the only thing that keeps 1071 00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:58,710 them accountable and kind of a local day-to-day basis or week 1072 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:00,910 to week basis is the governors, the governing body of the 1073 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:06,060 school, who are all volunteers. And I just think, yeah, if we've 1074 00:42:06,070 --> 00:42:08,440 got our volunteer coming to the school, that's way more likely 1075 00:42:08,450 --> 00:42:10,670 that you'll be able to find a good volunteer governor who is 1076 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,350 super passionate about well-being without the head 1077 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,050 teacher being able to maybe have their, you know, to fight that 1078 00:42:17,060 --> 00:42:19,570 off or, you know, make a bit. More of And we've seen how 1079 00:42:19,580 --> 00:42:22,130 sometimes head teachers get when they know governors are on the. 1080 00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:23,330 Case. Exactly right. 1081 00:42:23,420 --> 00:42:24,840 And some head teachers, you know, I've got a good 1082 00:42:24,850 --> 00:42:26,790 relationship, their governors and maybe they've managed to 1083 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,580 find a way to have that kind of thing. 1084 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,020 But actually there's a good chance that you could get in a 1085 00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:35,520 governor of a school who is like, no, I'm not, you know, 1086 00:42:35,530 --> 00:42:37,020 this is the head, this is not good enough. 1087 00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:39,530 The head teacher is absolutely just employing people that that 1088 00:42:39,540 --> 00:42:41,720 will do what they say and not doing the job properly. 1089 00:42:41,730 --> 00:42:43,910 So no. So having the governor above the 1090 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,840 head and having an an SLT member below the head teacher in terms 1091 00:42:47,850 --> 00:42:51,870 of job hierarchy, both dedicated to well-being, I think. 1092 00:42:52,530 --> 00:42:53,560 I think it could. Work. 1093 00:42:53,570 --> 00:42:56,720 OK, so that was advocate here, my favourite role to play. 1094 00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:59,380 My friends, they used to say were at union stuff because I 1095 00:42:59,390 --> 00:43:01,880 just like debating and arguing. They'd they'd call it Dylan's 1096 00:43:01,890 --> 00:43:03,580 advocate. It's just replace the devil. 1097 00:43:03,850 --> 00:43:07,710 So just do that now. Yeah, OK You're head teacher in 1098 00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:11,220 a school that is struggling. You've got staff who, you know 1099 00:43:11,230 --> 00:43:12,800 take shortcuts because they're fed up. 1100 00:43:12,850 --> 00:43:15,530 I've been there before. I know nothing against the staff 1101 00:43:15,540 --> 00:43:18,080 for doing so. You've got Ofsted due. 1102 00:43:18,670 --> 00:43:21,200 OK, this has just been released. You need to put a well-being 1103 00:43:21,210 --> 00:43:24,030 manager below and above you in the governors and in the SLT. 1104 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,330 Yeah, you really want to implement change to improve the 1105 00:43:26,340 --> 00:43:28,620 outcomes for your school, but they are blocking you every Rd 1106 00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:30,700 because inevitably change means work. 1107 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,550 What on earth is the solution there? 1108 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,950 Do you let the school stagnate? I think that's when it comes. 1109 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,630 I think that's when a good head teacher puts together a proper 1110 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,460 report, a proper report, because I think they've got to have 1111 00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:41,750 they. Still, in what way report? 1112 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,600 Report as in to report to the governors maybe with this 1113 00:43:44,610 --> 00:43:46,110 well-being person in line saying right. 1114 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,750 Appreciate the these are the concerns you've raised. 1115 00:43:49,220 --> 00:43:50,600 This is this is our future of our school. 1116 00:43:50,610 --> 00:43:52,060 Right. And actually put together, say 1117 00:43:52,070 --> 00:43:54,040 here are numbers. If we change all of this at once 1118 00:43:54,050 --> 00:43:55,950 then it might have this effect. I understand we can't. 1119 00:43:56,030 --> 00:43:58,390 If we don't change anything, sure this is where our standards 1120 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,710 are going right now as a school. And I think a good head teacher 1121 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,190 has that persuasion ability, has that ability to look at to plan 1122 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,660 for the future, look at the school action plan and saying 1123 00:44:07,860 --> 00:44:09,750 yeah, no, you know no one wants to do extra work. 1124 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,090 But if we don't at least put in a B&C, then this is what's gonna 1125 00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:15,360 happen to our school. We're gonna, you know, our 1126 00:44:15,370 --> 00:44:17,670 standards are gonna keep declining if it's one of those 1127 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,160 schools. Because it's rare that it's 1128 00:44:19,230 --> 00:44:20,900 seven things going wrong. At once, yeah. 1129 00:44:20,910 --> 00:44:24,010 And it might just be that the plan is not that we're not gonna 1130 00:44:24,020 --> 00:44:26,230 do these things at all, is I imagine that a well-being 1131 00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:28,650 manager's role is to be like, OK, can we not do the seven 1132 00:44:28,660 --> 00:44:30,150 things at once? Could we space them? 1133 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,740 Out, Yeah, Because. You think gonna do stuff. 1134 00:44:32,010 --> 00:44:32,790 Yeah. Of course we are. 1135 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,660 We. I think if any teachers take 1136 00:44:34,670 --> 00:44:36,550 this away of like yes, no more change. 1137 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,350 You need to drop that. That's not how it works. 1138 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,350 And actually that's a port that is actually a poor attitude. 1139 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,290 I think to to education. Of course stuff has to change 1140 00:44:43,300 --> 00:44:44,550 it. It moves the times. 1141 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:45,550 It moves with your cohort. Yeah. 1142 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,470 You cohorts. Your kids change every year. 1143 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,690 Every year that goes by. So I think a head teacher's role 1144 00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:51,950 is to go like, yeah, OK this is our ideal world. 1145 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,790 I now thank you well-being. Nigerian governor. 1146 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,680 I appreciate that. Actually, doing that I probably 1147 00:44:55,690 --> 00:44:57,520 would lose 7 of my staff. Yeah. 1148 00:44:57,610 --> 00:44:59,820 Going off long term sick because it's too stressful. 1149 00:44:59,950 --> 00:45:02,020 Here's our new plan. Do we all agree on it? 1150 00:45:02,030 --> 00:45:04,560 Do we think this is manageable? We're going to do this thing 1151 00:45:04,570 --> 00:45:07,120 first and then next year we're gonna do that thing and the year 1152 00:45:07,130 --> 00:45:09,220 after we'll review it and hopefully we'll put in these 1153 00:45:09,230 --> 00:45:10,810 other things and I think that's what we'll go ahead. 1154 00:45:10,820 --> 00:45:12,180 Teacher will do. They won't just go. 1155 00:45:12,190 --> 00:45:13,880 OK you're fine. Have a pair of Paddy. 1156 00:45:13,950 --> 00:45:15,660 Fine. We'll watch the standards drop 1157 00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:16,820 then call. You're not. 1158 00:45:16,830 --> 00:45:17,380 Don't be. Don't. 1159 00:45:17,390 --> 00:45:19,060 Be I actually think collaboration is really 1160 00:45:19,070 --> 00:45:21,040 important. And I think if if these roles do 1161 00:45:21,050 --> 00:45:24,810 happen and those people in the same way a head teacher, a rogue 1162 00:45:24,820 --> 00:45:27,110 head teacher might right now go rogue and say we're doing all of 1163 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,490 this right now. If if the well-being people come 1164 00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:32,270 in and say we're doing nothing ever, that's equally poor for 1165 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,250 school. So I think having them in the 1166 00:45:34,260 --> 00:45:35,730 1st place, they're going to be really defined. 1167 00:45:35,740 --> 00:45:37,370 It needs to be collaborative. Yes. 1168 00:45:37,380 --> 00:45:39,720 Their first thought is, well-being the head teachers. 1169 00:45:39,730 --> 00:45:40,970 First thought is progress. Yeah. 1170 00:45:40,980 --> 00:45:43,100 You know, come together meet in the middle and talk to you. 1171 00:45:43,110 --> 00:45:44,220 That's how it comes about dialogue. 1172 00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:45,990 That's how it can work. However, the government have 1173 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,410 always been very reluctant to kind of introduce anything like 1174 00:45:48,420 --> 00:45:50,580 this, but they're very much like, no, we'll leave it to the 1175 00:45:50,590 --> 00:45:53,110 schools, knowing full well that schools can eat as much out. 1176 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,230 Because they think that pandas in that scenario standards could 1177 00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,590 drop a. Bit well, look, OK. 1178 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,870 Do you agree that objectively they would? 1179 00:46:01,180 --> 00:46:04,340 I actually don't, and I'll tell you why, OK, cuz I was thinking 1180 00:46:04,350 --> 00:46:05,650 this thing. They probably wouldn't, but 1181 00:46:05,660 --> 00:46:07,550 actually. If you did, I think. 1182 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,410 In all these scenarios, we always, always take out the fact 1183 00:46:10,420 --> 00:46:13,250 that really stressed teachers don't perform as well. 1184 00:46:13,310 --> 00:46:14,870 Absolutely. And it's like we never, we never 1185 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,430 include that metric. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. 1186 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,100 They might get the work done. But I tell you what, when 1187 00:46:19,110 --> 00:46:21,370 they're sick and you've gotta cover supply and they're doing 1188 00:46:21,380 --> 00:46:23,480 it for six months, that's not going to be as good as your 1189 00:46:23,490 --> 00:46:25,590 teacher being there. I do think we have to take into 1190 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,010 account or it might not be as good objectively if the seven 1191 00:46:29,020 --> 00:46:31,320 things get done over three years instead of one, because then 1192 00:46:31,330 --> 00:46:32,790 we've had to wait three years for these things. 1193 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:37,150 But having really healthy happy teachers in school probably will 1194 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,370 out offset that in in a positive way. 1195 00:46:40,380 --> 00:46:41,930 I think so. But we can't measure that. 1196 00:46:41,940 --> 00:46:43,270 So the government should they ignore it. 1197 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:44,520 So no standards will be. Worse. 1198 00:46:44,530 --> 00:46:45,590 Yeah. Because, yeah. 1199 00:46:45,660 --> 00:46:48,430 And and I think you're absolutely right and it's 1200 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,150 something I'm coming more towards you on. 1201 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:52,870 Never disagreed with you, but you've always been very staunch. 1202 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,630 That's the absolute most important thing for anything is 1203 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,870 the well-being of teachers because of the domino effect. 1204 00:46:57,910 --> 00:47:01,770 And I've always thought, yeah, you know, but they need to have 1205 00:47:01,780 --> 00:47:04,290 good teaching and and good lessons right in front of them. 1206 00:47:04,330 --> 00:47:07,310 But I think it is a domino effect and I think when having 1207 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,600 been in the profession now for like 8-9 years, you see the 1208 00:47:10,610 --> 00:47:11,740 effect. I felt it. 1209 00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:14,960 When I'm happy, when I'm happy in my job, I do just do more 1210 00:47:15,010 --> 00:47:16,490 genuinely. And I've seen it online as well. 1211 00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:18,120 I remember I've read it out ages ago. 1212 00:47:18,130 --> 00:47:20,960 I saw something on Facebook, someone being like, I hope I 1213 00:47:20,970 --> 00:47:22,500 left my old school. I don't know exactly what it 1214 00:47:22,510 --> 00:47:24,500 was, but it was like I left my old school where I where I 1215 00:47:24,510 --> 00:47:27,090 refused to do clubs and things have gone to this new school and 1216 00:47:27,100 --> 00:47:28,820 they treat me really nicely and I feel really happy. 1217 00:47:28,830 --> 00:47:30,120 And now I'm doing clubs voluntarily. 1218 00:47:30,130 --> 00:47:31,320 Yeah. And the whole point was like, 1219 00:47:31,330 --> 00:47:32,620 yeah, cause they're happy now. Look at that. 1220 00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:34,490 Standards improved. Because you know what, That hour 1221 00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:36,680 they're doing a club, they've saved 2-3 hours of planning. 1222 00:47:36,690 --> 00:47:38,310 Yeah, because it's not anymore. They just feel valued. 1223 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,770 They just feel like, yeah, I'm happy. 1224 00:47:39,780 --> 00:47:41,660 So I'll do this for the kids rather than I'm stressed. 1225 00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:43,530 I need to go home. I'm get away from this. 1226 00:47:43,540 --> 00:47:46,090 Place I've gotta say, and it's not down to the score anything. 1227 00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:48,360 It's just down to like I think being ground down after years 1228 00:47:48,370 --> 00:47:50,870 and years the system and like the government kind of 1229 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,430 disrespecting as in my opinion constantly about paying stuff 1230 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,230 where I do miss. I've said it before on the 1231 00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:59,500 podcast miss doing things with the children because it's fun 1232 00:47:59,830 --> 00:48:01,680 and and that's usually in lunchtime club. 1233 00:48:01,690 --> 00:48:04,620 I used to just have kids in at lunchtime because they wanted to 1234 00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:06,710 come in and do some colouring and but yeah of course you can 1235 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:09,330 I'm only marketing you come and sit down whereas I know for a 1236 00:48:09,340 --> 00:48:11,400 fact now said it a million times they come at lunch and like no 1237 00:48:11,410 --> 00:48:14,680 I've got to prep I've got to do this I've got to mark and also 1238 00:48:14,690 --> 00:48:16,670 even if I don't do you know what I just want 5 minutes. 1239 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,340 Yeah and I think it's all acceptable but I miss being that 1240 00:48:19,350 --> 00:48:23,900 person who is driven solely by the kids outcomes and I think 1241 00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:26,980 that makes for a better teacher. I feel like that's been grounded 1242 00:48:26,990 --> 00:48:28,880 out because of the system and I want the system. 1243 00:48:28,890 --> 00:48:30,720 To change, I do think that was that was our Unicorn years 1244 00:48:30,730 --> 00:48:32,500 though in terms of we have we've got kids now. 1245 00:48:32,510 --> 00:48:34,880 Yeah like our our lives personally are very different as 1246 00:48:34,890 --> 00:48:35,640 well. So I think that does. 1247 00:48:35,650 --> 00:48:38,170 Also, if I don't mark half an hour at lunch, I go home half an 1248 00:48:38,180 --> 00:48:39,690 hour later. Yeah, and then you see Rory for 1249 00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:41,900 half an hour less. It's like it's it does suck. 1250 00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:43,410 I'm definitely feeling that pinch. 1251 00:48:43,420 --> 00:48:46,700 Obviously Rivers 8 weeks now coming up to 9 weeks and every 1252 00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:50,580 single day by 3:30, all I'm thinking of is I want to go home 1253 00:48:50,590 --> 00:48:51,800 because I want to give her a cuddle. 1254 00:48:51,870 --> 00:48:54,840 I've been away from my little like child. 1255 00:48:54,850 --> 00:48:57,900 So little I know, and she's not. Or even when they're four. 1256 00:48:57,910 --> 00:49:00,010 I think that but they're. So precious, I got really sad 1257 00:49:00,020 --> 00:49:02,880 last week and I genuinely felt like actually upset because 1258 00:49:02,990 --> 00:49:04,850 because I had a cold. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1259 00:49:04,860 --> 00:49:07,170 And and I obviously when in those first few days when you 1260 00:49:07,180 --> 00:49:09,770 have a cold and you actually are contagious as anything. 1261 00:49:09,900 --> 00:49:11,530 And I had a nasty cough and I just felt. 1262 00:49:11,540 --> 00:49:12,770 Rubbish You miss swimming, didn't you? 1263 00:49:12,820 --> 00:49:14,110 Yeah, I miss you guys went swimming. 1264 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,640 I didn't come and I just tried to stay away from river as well 1265 00:49:16,650 --> 00:49:17,930 as much as I could in the house. I didn't care. 1266 00:49:17,940 --> 00:49:21,000 I didn't cuddle her and it was like 4 days and after about four 1267 00:49:21,010 --> 00:49:24,350 I genuinely felt I was like, God, like the four days in a 1268 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,880 race in proportion of her life is quite a big chunk so far. 1269 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,460 It's like I've missed a big chunk of her eight weeks so far, 1270 00:49:29,470 --> 00:49:31,170 just we're having four. Days changing quickly. 1271 00:49:31,180 --> 00:49:32,340 Yeah, and I was like, what she what? 1272 00:49:32,350 --> 00:49:33,940 She forgets me. And I started going down these 1273 00:49:33,950 --> 00:49:35,370 stupid avenues. Of course you won't. 1274 00:49:35,380 --> 00:49:37,130 But I was like, no, but feeling sorry for myself. 1275 00:49:37,140 --> 00:49:39,000 Like what if she now doesn't now? 1276 00:49:39,010 --> 00:49:41,100 Now she's used to only seeing Lawrence and she doesn't trust 1277 00:49:41,110 --> 00:49:43,120 me being around anymore. And I was like, oh God, well, 1278 00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:44,520 I've been at work. I feel like this. 1279 00:49:44,530 --> 00:49:46,240 I'm like ohh should not see me for 10 hours. 1280 00:49:46,310 --> 00:49:53,370 My, my mum and stepdad went to a care home and where my nannies, 1281 00:49:53,500 --> 00:49:55,400 Yeah. And there was COVID in the care 1282 00:49:55,410 --> 00:49:57,530 home. My nan didn't have COVID, but my 1283 00:49:57,540 --> 00:49:59,290 parents didn't have COVID either. 1284 00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:03,570 But they both were like, OK, we're not going to come just to 1285 00:50:03,580 --> 00:50:05,130 be safe. And we were like, that's really 1286 00:50:05,180 --> 00:50:06,850 thank you, because you don't know if COVID. 1287 00:50:06,890 --> 00:50:10,630 It meant that they didn't see Rory for like it was between 10 1288 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,130 and 14 days. They didn't come to. 1289 00:50:12,140 --> 00:50:14,250 You didn't come see because they thought, you know, we'll stay 1290 00:50:14,260 --> 00:50:16,170 away. It was just after Christmas, 1291 00:50:16,180 --> 00:50:17,580 right? So we saw them at Christmas. 1292 00:50:17,590 --> 00:50:19,310 They've been to the camp. They found out there was COVID 1293 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,450 and they were like, we need to keep going to the care home. 1294 00:50:21,460 --> 00:50:24,310 We're the only people who go and see her very regularly so we 1295 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:25,440 need to keep going to the care home. 1296 00:50:25,450 --> 00:50:28,240 But whilst there's COVID in the care home, we won't come and see 1297 00:50:28,250 --> 00:50:30,590 you even if we've got symptoms of symptomless or anything like 1298 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,100 that. And they came to see him and we 1299 00:50:32,110 --> 00:50:35,200 worked out like they they missed 12% of his life. 1300 00:50:35,300 --> 00:50:37,890 Hmm. And when you as a percentage, 1301 00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:41,720 you know, obviously, but at that .12% had gone past. 1302 00:50:41,730 --> 00:50:43,150 Yeah. And they were like he's changed 1303 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,350 so much because it was nearly two weeks and it's so precious 1304 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:47,960 right now. And again, it's things like 1305 00:50:47,970 --> 00:50:50,910 this, you know, I wanted to change as soon as possible if we 1306 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,510 have more children or just for anyone joining the job. 1307 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:54,830 Just just. I just wanna healthier, 1308 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,370 healthier, work life balance. That's all it is. 1309 00:50:56,380 --> 00:50:59,350 Yeah, it's got to be healthy. So next one is the only other 1310 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:00,970 thing the government has responded to. 1311 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,440 OK, so I'm looking at the time. This might be a slightly longer 1312 00:51:03,450 --> 00:51:04,450 one, but I'm really enjoying this. 1313 00:51:04,460 --> 00:51:08,140 So guys, strapping the next one the government responded to 1314 00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:12,050 straight away is the idea that the schools might want to 1315 00:51:12,060 --> 00:51:16,020 consider using inset time to look at addressing workload. 1316 00:51:16,270 --> 00:51:18,980 Now that in itself sounds. Fine. 1317 00:51:18,990 --> 00:51:20,110 Do you wanna explain in set time? 1318 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,100 For Yeah, so anyone doesn't know inset days are those, I think 1319 00:51:22,110 --> 00:51:24,010 they used to be called Baker days after someone in the 1320 00:51:24,020 --> 00:51:27,380 government who invented them. They're just days where as 1321 00:51:27,390 --> 00:51:31,000 teachers we've got to teach children for 190 days in a year 1322 00:51:31,170 --> 00:51:34,460 and we've got to be available for 195 days. 1323 00:51:34,530 --> 00:51:37,800 And that five days difference is when, for example, if you've got 1324 00:51:37,810 --> 00:51:40,410 kids and they don't go in on the first day after time or they 1325 00:51:40,420 --> 00:51:41,770 don't go in the last day of time. 1326 00:51:41,780 --> 00:51:44,500 Or maybe your school puts all 5 into one week and you get an 1327 00:51:44,510 --> 00:51:47,340 extra week off on 1/2 time somewhere in October or in in 1328 00:51:47,350 --> 00:51:49,870 the summer. And so those days are used for 1329 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,140 training. So that time specifically is OK 1330 00:51:53,150 --> 00:51:55,110 you're getting paid for this teachers, but you're gonna be 1331 00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,680 trained to be trained not be you're not with the kids. 1332 00:51:57,690 --> 00:52:00,500 It's just you go in and you might have a morning of training 1333 00:52:00,510 --> 00:52:02,070 and an afternoon of getting your classroom ready. 1334 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,650 It's the start of the year or something like that. 1335 00:52:03,700 --> 00:52:07,950 We have five of them a year. So the idea of using inset time 1336 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,520 to address workload, great, but they went one step. 1337 00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:13,220 However, the Commission who were trying to reduce workload and 1338 00:52:13,230 --> 00:52:15,810 said you might also want to consider adding an additional 1339 00:52:15,820 --> 00:52:18,170 inset day. The point being that if there 1340 00:52:18,180 --> 00:52:20,440 are workload reduction taskforce, it's quite funny for 1341 00:52:20,450 --> 00:52:22,820 them to come out and say do this as well, but in the same amount 1342 00:52:22,830 --> 00:52:24,320 of time. So I can imagine they were 1343 00:52:24,330 --> 00:52:26,610 Saturday going OK, we can't really say this because it means 1344 00:52:26,620 --> 00:52:30,450 less stuff gets done. OK Also, have another inset day. 1345 00:52:30,500 --> 00:52:32,410 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it'll be 6 a year. 1346 00:52:32,500 --> 00:52:33,610 Makes sense. Have six. 1347 00:52:33,620 --> 00:52:35,630 It was 6 terms for Christ. Yeah, it's true. 1348 00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:36,540 How? Six anyway. 1349 00:52:36,550 --> 00:52:39,330 Yeah, like the only the only thing I suppose there would be 1350 00:52:39,340 --> 00:52:41,970 like, does it mean one less way of learning for the children? 1351 00:52:41,980 --> 00:52:43,100 Yeah. If that's true, there's a whole 1352 00:52:43,110 --> 00:52:45,320 absence scandal. We'll do a podcast on that soon 1353 00:52:45,330 --> 00:52:47,990 So the government can't be seen to be taking hours of school. 1354 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,090 I get that. Or do you pay us an extra nought 1355 00:52:51,100 --> 00:52:54,310 .5% for an extra one day out of 200 or something like that? 1356 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,140 How would it work to have an extra inset day? 1357 00:52:56,180 --> 00:52:58,170 Would it just be for free? And then in that case, that's 1358 00:52:58,180 --> 00:53:00,110 worse. So I can see why the government 1359 00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:04,170 did come out and say, no, there won't be another they're insert. 1360 00:53:04,180 --> 00:53:05,830 They don't think that's the right course of action. 1361 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,630 I don't necessarily disagree with that. 1362 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,900 Again, I might. I might think that we could fit 1363 00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:12,560 in another one like you, but I don't think that's a awful 1364 00:53:12,570 --> 00:53:15,300 government decision because at the end of the day, it's another 1365 00:53:15,310 --> 00:53:18,280 day with the children in school, kids in school, you know, after 1366 00:53:18,290 --> 00:53:20,720 COVID and strikes, whether people in the media likes to 1367 00:53:20,730 --> 00:53:23,800 think or not, I love my kids to be in school and I want them in 1368 00:53:23,810 --> 00:53:26,650 front of me so I can teach them. That's like the number one thing 1369 00:53:26,660 --> 00:53:28,520 that I could ask for. We're going to do a whole 1370 00:53:28,530 --> 00:53:30,600 session on absence. It's crazy at the minute. 1371 00:53:30,970 --> 00:53:33,300 But yeah, Instead, basically the government say they're to work 1372 00:53:33,310 --> 00:53:35,700 with schools and try and make use of the current 5 days. 1373 00:53:35,710 --> 00:53:37,300 And I don't think that's a bad thing. 1374 00:53:37,630 --> 00:53:42,840 So you know, Hayden, going back to the initial point though, how 1375 00:53:42,850 --> 00:53:46,660 helpful really is it for a workload reduction force to say, 1376 00:53:46,810 --> 00:53:48,990 yeah, use insects to reduce workload? 1377 00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:52,030 What when there's already stuff? Insects are a weird one. 1378 00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,890 I've been at schools where you have the classic one day at the 1379 00:53:54,900 --> 00:53:57,030 start of each term you go in but the kids aren't in. 1380 00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,520 And I've also worked in schools where you get the it's all 1381 00:54:00,530 --> 00:54:03,280 banded into an extra week off as insects and you do it all in one 1382 00:54:03,290 --> 00:54:06,470 go. Well, yeah, if it's a if it's a 1383 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,610 week off, just everyone knows the people with the week off 1384 00:54:08,620 --> 00:54:10,570 aren't necessarily just getting away with not doing 5. 1385 00:54:10,580 --> 00:54:11,870 Days. No, there's always. 1386 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,970 Split into, you know, doing extra stuff in your time. 1387 00:54:14,980 --> 00:54:16,970 It might be that you do some twilights during the times. 1388 00:54:16,980 --> 00:54:19,450 It might be that you do clubs or whatever it is, the hours. 1389 00:54:19,460 --> 00:54:21,910 Are the hours are yeah. Rack up somewhere else? 1390 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,100 I don't know, I just maybe I'm just being a bit sceptical. 1391 00:54:24,110 --> 00:54:29,200 Anyway, in sets to me, five days or six days, I don't know if 1392 00:54:29,210 --> 00:54:30,150 it's gonna make much. Difference. 1393 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,780 Well, I don't think this is about, this isn't about doing 1394 00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:35,120 less work. This is about, you know, like 1395 00:54:35,130 --> 00:54:38,050 you go into inset day, you might have training on maths in the 1396 00:54:38,060 --> 00:54:38,580 morning. Yeah. 1397 00:54:38,590 --> 00:54:40,550 And like there's this new approach, like when master was 1398 00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,520 introduced in 2014 and new curriculum, there was a lot of 1399 00:54:43,530 --> 00:54:46,060 CPD going on about how to teach mastery properly. 1400 00:54:46,370 --> 00:54:50,120 This is saying, OK, in that we get training on CPD, we get 1401 00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:53,320 training on mass training on technology, training on English 1402 00:54:53,330 --> 00:54:55,930 writing. In the same way, we need to have 1403 00:54:55,940 --> 00:54:57,830 dedicated time to have a collaborative approach. 1404 00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,290 You spoke about what everyone has to be in the same room, and 1405 00:55:00,300 --> 00:55:02,770 the only thing you're all discussing is well-being and 1406 00:55:02,780 --> 00:55:06,080 workload, right? Do you do you think? 1407 00:55:06,090 --> 00:55:08,150 For that I get you now. Sorry, Yeah, so do. 1408 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,250 Yeah. So it's basically saying, OK, we 1409 00:55:10,260 --> 00:55:13,210 might have to do a bit less training on history or maths 1410 00:55:13,260 --> 00:55:16,710 over the five days, but maybe half of one of the day all 1411 00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:19,210 everyone is in a room and you have that discussion. 1412 00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,560 I don't necessarily think that will, in a toxic school, bring 1413 00:55:23,570 --> 00:55:24,780 them back much change. Whatsoever. 1414 00:55:24,820 --> 00:55:27,200 No, I'm not. I don't know if a weird I don't 1415 00:55:27,210 --> 00:55:29,840 agree with the government, but I don't really disagree with me 1416 00:55:29,850 --> 00:55:31,260 though to be honest. In what way? 1417 00:55:31,330 --> 00:55:33,500 In in the fact that I'm saying no you you've got 5. 1418 00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:35,260 Just just. Ohh, I agree with that, yeah. 1419 00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:36,740 Just really just reschedule your. 1420 00:55:36,750 --> 00:55:38,110 Year. But do you think it would even 1421 00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:39,830 be useful to do that? What do you think will come out 1422 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,320 of doing that? I think it be useful like one 1423 00:55:42,330 --> 00:55:45,780 time at the start of all this. Would you like to keep it up? 1424 00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:48,640 You might have to but to set the culture maybe to be like this is 1425 00:55:48,650 --> 00:55:50,920 a thing now that we do yeah maybe it is worth doing it once 1426 00:55:50,930 --> 00:55:53,180 once a year, once per year in one of the insects. 1427 00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:55,960 Just talking about well-being and like what the score would be 1428 00:55:55,970 --> 00:55:58,890 quite interesting to explore how in that day, here's our school 1429 00:55:58,970 --> 00:56:01,360 and for the year and how we're gonna tackle work load and 1430 00:56:01,370 --> 00:56:03,140 you're all part of it. We've all got to do it in the 1431 00:56:03,150 --> 00:56:05,190 same way that if I introduce a new math scheme, we've all got 1432 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:06,880 to do it for a year and then we can evaluate. 1433 00:56:06,890 --> 00:56:10,230 It I guess now knowing in in ahead of time over the year what 1434 00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:11,520 you'll be introducing is called as well. 1435 00:56:11,530 --> 00:56:14,140 If you've got the SLT member and that governor like we talked 1436 00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:16,620 about earlier, it would be cool to go to your staff at the start 1437 00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:18,880 of the year I think and say right, this year, look we're 1438 00:56:18,890 --> 00:56:22,180 looking to transform the writing curriculum and we're also 1439 00:56:22,190 --> 00:56:24,860 looking to transform the history curriculum for example. 1440 00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:27,120 At least then you could sit down and say OK, right. 1441 00:56:27,130 --> 00:56:29,910 If we're going to do that then we have to agree now with 1442 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,110 everyone in the room. Maths leads, we're just going to 1443 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,520 keep chugging along, you know, art leads. 1444 00:56:34,620 --> 00:56:36,600 We're gonna not do that competition this year because 1445 00:56:36,610 --> 00:56:39,470 that was extra workload, because we're gonna put X amount of 1446 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,250 hours extra into doing this. We have to find X amount of 1447 00:56:42,260 --> 00:56:44,630 hours somewhere else to not. Put it in, we were gonna do on 1448 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,860 our fifth insert day this year. We're going to revamp their 1449 00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:48,770 geography quickly as well. But we can't do that because 1450 00:56:48,780 --> 00:56:50,410 we've now got this inset on well-being. 1451 00:56:50,420 --> 00:56:51,950 So actually, it's already working. 1452 00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,290 We've got one lesson that day this year to revamp another. 1453 00:56:54,300 --> 00:56:55,540 Curriculum. No, Just your own time. 1454 00:56:55,550 --> 00:56:58,500 Now, yeah, that's what was it. Ideally, schools, you know, 1455 00:56:58,510 --> 00:56:59,900 let's say they've got 5 insects and. 1456 00:56:59,910 --> 00:57:01,000 Right. And in each one they're gonna do 1457 00:57:01,010 --> 00:57:02,040 some training. Ideally. 1458 00:57:02,110 --> 00:57:04,910 What, just drop one of them now, You now get rid of one of those 1459 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,090 and you put this workload in. Yeah. 1460 00:57:06,100 --> 00:57:08,550 What's gonna happen is in those kinds of schools is like, cool, 1461 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,640 Now we're gonna squish 55 incidents. 1462 00:57:10,650 --> 00:57:12,100 Yeah. Training into four. 1463 00:57:12,110 --> 00:57:13,110 Yeah. And then have. 1464 00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,280 This and then when we finish, go, OK guys, carry on. 1465 00:57:15,490 --> 00:57:17,140 Yeah, you finish that off in your own time. 1466 00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:19,680 So realistically, just having a sick one does kind of make sense 1467 00:57:19,690 --> 00:57:23,130 to me because that way it's just it's the middle ground, I think. 1468 00:57:23,170 --> 00:57:25,720 I know we're gonna talk about absence, but my honest opinion 1469 00:57:25,730 --> 00:57:28,160 is losing. Losing one day at the start of 1470 00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:30,100 the last, like you've lost the day at the start of every term. 1471 00:57:30,180 --> 00:57:31,530 One. Let's say you do it that way. 1472 00:57:31,590 --> 00:57:33,070 Losing one more day. OK, fine. 1473 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:34,140 One. Mitigate it. 1474 00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:35,170 We'll make up for it. It's fine. 1475 00:57:35,180 --> 00:57:36,590 We can. We'll go from this in one day, a 1476 00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,390 day off on all times apart from one, to having a day off on all. 1477 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,430 Times all the sixth term. I just think it all keeps 1478 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:44,550 missing. It's different as well. 1479 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,230 If all kids miss a day, it's very different. 1480 00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:47,640 You just shut everything back, right? 1481 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,780 And let's be real, like, come on, How many years go past where 1482 00:57:50,860 --> 00:57:53,580 at least one day doesn't kind of out of nowhere just get 1483 00:57:53,590 --> 00:57:55,510 completely ruined by something completely. 1484 00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:56,700 And you have to and the kids aren't. 1485 00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:59,370 You know there's some some fun day happens or you a day out, a 1486 00:57:59,380 --> 00:58:01,200 trip, whatever. I like on that. 1487 00:58:01,210 --> 00:58:03,780 We can deal with one day. One planned day, yeah. 1488 00:58:03,830 --> 00:58:06,120 I think before we go into like the real juicy thing, that 1489 00:58:06,130 --> 00:58:08,420 really caught my attention. Like we're gonna hour in before 1490 00:58:08,430 --> 00:58:10,000 we get to the main bit. No, it's not. 1491 00:58:10,010 --> 00:58:11,440 But it's. I guess it is really. 1492 00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:13,340 This is gonna be a long podcast, guys. 1493 00:58:13,350 --> 00:58:15,060 Hope you're enjoying it. Haven't, you know, have a 1494 00:58:15,070 --> 00:58:16,780 little. Don't pause it, keep playing it, 1495 00:58:16,790 --> 00:58:18,380 But use this time to just reflect. 1496 00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:21,790 On how people can pause. It OK, let's do Jingle after 1497 00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,180 this because I think we're gonna come into one part of it now, 1498 00:58:24,890 --> 00:58:29,580 which is a list of things that this body have said teachers 1499 00:58:29,590 --> 00:58:32,490 should not do. And it's fascinating. 1500 00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,190 It's really fascinating. So I'll come on to that. 1501 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,190 But I think if we're talking about the general tone of this 1502 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,380 workload reduction task force, I'm sceptical because the 1503 00:58:41,390 --> 00:58:44,090 general tone is all of these points we talked about. 1504 00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:45,880 The two main ones that the government responded to. 1505 00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,950 Yes and no. OK, whatever. 1506 00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,470 The main point of all the rest is always beyond workload. 1507 00:58:51,540 --> 00:58:54,670 Be ready to change and manipulate what we say helps 1508 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,030 workload. Review it every time. 1509 00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,250 Have someone across the school and the governors have someone 1510 00:58:59,260 --> 00:59:01,880 across the school in their school basically used the 1511 00:59:01,890 --> 00:59:04,200 reduction toolkit push that make it better. 1512 00:59:04,210 --> 00:59:07,630 Yeah, and that's ongoing thing. I think that's all fantastic. 1513 00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,710 However, I'm really sceptical about workload being reduced in 1514 00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:16,660 school until Ofsted sort out, Yeah, until until there is not 1515 00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:18,450 that pressure on a school to deliver. 1516 00:59:18,500 --> 00:59:21,430 There is only one reason that we're putting all of this work 1517 00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,110 already in as teachers and going above and beyond. 1518 00:59:24,180 --> 00:59:26,990 It's because of the stress of Ofsted and being held 1519 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,310 accountable and that one word judgement coming in and 1520 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,390 completely rinsing an entire profession for everyone who 1521 00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,390 works at that school, especially for the SLT. 1522 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,200 Until we reduce the pressure on our SLT, who in the most part 1523 00:59:39,210 --> 00:59:43,040 work incredibly hard for our children and really push amazing 1524 00:59:43,050 --> 00:59:46,470 change forward, it's going to be between a rock and a hard place 1525 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,900 of teachers saying no, I'm not working anymore, I'm not doing 1526 00:59:48,910 --> 00:59:50,570 anymore. And Ofsted saying, well, you've 1527 00:59:50,580 --> 00:59:52,960 got to revamp this whole thing and work towards all of these 1528 00:59:52,970 --> 00:59:54,780 standards that we've just. Introduced scrap performance 1529 00:59:54,790 --> 00:59:58,130 related pay scrap Ofsted gradings as well because you 1530 00:59:58,140 --> 00:59:59,780 know what I think I've I've, I was a head teacher. 1531 00:59:59,790 --> 01:00:02,950 I'd be a lot less worried if I was sat there thinking yeah this 1532 01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,950 workload, even if I was on board with the workload, right. 1533 01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,900 I think this is all great, but at the end of the day if Ofsted 1534 01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:08,960 come in and call us the required. 1535 01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,080 Improvement school will all be in a worse place. 1536 01:00:12,090 --> 01:00:16,140 Workload and stress, You know, Just get rid of that horrible, 1537 01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:19,050 horrible, stupid grading system. Yeah, and it is stupid. 1538 01:00:19,060 --> 01:00:20,960 I'm not afraid to say. That's what's so. 1539 01:00:20,970 --> 01:00:22,500 Stupid. Stupid, but it is. 1540 01:00:22,510 --> 01:00:24,980 It's just get rid of. It often needs a revamp. 1541 01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:27,430 It needs a complete, complete revamp that's supposed to 1542 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:28,480 improve standards. They don't. 1543 01:00:28,490 --> 01:00:29,880 All they do is stress teachers out. 1544 01:00:30,030 --> 01:00:31,450 They're not even that good at doing it. 1545 01:00:31,460 --> 01:00:33,100 You might get a good inspector. You might not. 1546 01:00:33,110 --> 01:00:34,920 Potluck. Mr P says that all the time. 1547 01:00:34,930 --> 01:00:35,950 Yeah, Potluck. What you? 1548 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,900 Get those. There's a video recently of a 1549 01:00:38,910 --> 01:00:41,510 head teacher talking about their parents of Ofsted, and Ofsted 1550 01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,990 inspector said to her, If we don't try and break you as a 1551 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,870 head teacher, how do we know you're worth it? 1552 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,000 How do we know that you're good enough? 1553 01:00:48,010 --> 01:00:49,030 For the job, I tell you, I did watch that. 1554 01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,530 I think I was like, is that true Cause that even that seems, I 1555 01:00:51,540 --> 01:00:53,620 can imagine that. I can imagine mad propaganda. 1556 01:00:53,630 --> 01:00:56,410 Yeah, I. Mean you called her a lie ahead. 1557 01:00:57,900 --> 01:00:59,870 Can't even father surely a human being. 1558 01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:01,010 It's number. It's unreal. 1559 01:01:01,020 --> 01:01:04,150 But anyway, so we're gonna talk about what happens next to this 1560 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:05,530 report. These were the initial findings. 1561 01:01:05,540 --> 01:01:07,240 So we'll talk all about that. It does include Ofsted. 1562 01:01:07,250 --> 01:01:08,430 We'll do that really quickly at the end. 1563 01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,890 But I really want to go on now after this short Jingle, this 1564 01:01:11,900 --> 01:01:14,550 list of 23 things teachers shouldn't do. 1565 01:01:14,620 --> 01:01:16,410 It's fascinating. Stick around. 1566 01:01:18,650 --> 01:01:20,590 Thanks for sticking around. That was a long break. 1567 01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,840 You know, you've really got good attention guys. 1568 01:01:22,890 --> 01:01:24,380 Yeah, so hey did, Scroll down mate. 1569 01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:25,800 Scroll down. We're going to go to this list 1570 01:01:25,810 --> 01:01:28,120 of 23 things now. Bit of background whilst Hayden 1571 01:01:28,130 --> 01:01:30,580 finds the mouse and his eyes and knows where things are. 1572 01:01:31,550 --> 01:01:35,780 This is a list of 23 things this list existed before. 1573 01:01:35,830 --> 01:01:38,360 So anyone who's been teaching for a long time, over 10 years, 1574 01:01:38,430 --> 01:01:40,860 you may remember that. Again, another thing the 1575 01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:44,040 beautiful Michael Gove did who was fantastic for education in 1576 01:01:44,050 --> 01:01:46,960 this country. Every time we're shaking our 1577 01:01:46,970 --> 01:01:49,900 heads to anyone not watching And he got rid of this list. 1578 01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:53,820 And the point was schools do not need to be babied and head 1579 01:01:53,830 --> 01:01:55,940 teachers and teachers told what they should and shouldn't be 1580 01:01:55,950 --> 01:01:57,140 doing. It's down to the school. 1581 01:01:57,150 --> 01:01:59,960 If the school wants to say teachers do this because they're 1582 01:01:59,970 --> 01:02:02,120 in charge and they know what they're doing, it's we're not 1583 01:02:02,130 --> 01:02:04,870 going to have government tell you what not to do when when in 1584 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,090 all reality all that happened was this list got rid of. 1585 01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:09,180 And then everyone was like, OK, you can do all of these things 1586 01:02:09,190 --> 01:02:10,360 please. Yeah, that was telling you not 1587 01:02:10,370 --> 01:02:11,300 to do before. Now you can. 1588 01:02:11,310 --> 01:02:13,840 Yeah, you can. They really think they'd be like 1589 01:02:13,850 --> 01:02:15,840 much nuance here, but they can do it now. 1590 01:02:15,850 --> 01:02:17,160 No, I'm going to choose. Not enough. 1591 01:02:17,170 --> 01:02:20,230 Course weird, isn't it? Since then, workload and stress 1592 01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:20,970 has got worse. Yes. 1593 01:02:20,980 --> 01:02:21,700 Weird, isn't it? It's weird. 1594 01:02:21,710 --> 01:02:23,190 It's almost like it did just not work. 1595 01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:24,670 At all. That's all of these. 1596 01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,250 Again, this is the 23 things. We're not gonna go through all 1597 01:02:27,260 --> 01:02:29,300 of them, but I will link in the description to this podcast. 1598 01:02:29,310 --> 01:02:31,560 You can go to the podcast. All the information we've got is 1599 01:02:31,570 --> 01:02:33,330 from schools weekly or schools week. 1600 01:02:33,500 --> 01:02:35,540 We'll put the information up there anyway, so. 1601 01:02:35,550 --> 01:02:37,570 We'll read the title of it, just in case anyone's lost where we 1602 01:02:37,580 --> 01:02:39,210 are. So this is the full list of 1603 01:02:39,220 --> 01:02:43,030 administrative tasks the task force says teachers shouldn't 1604 01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,820 have to do. So we started our teaching 1605 01:02:45,830 --> 01:02:48,680 career in 20/15/2016. So not long after, this kind of 1606 01:02:48,690 --> 01:02:49,880 this list would have been scrapped. 1607 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,960 And it was really, it's really, really interesting to me now 1608 01:02:52,970 --> 01:02:57,280 looking back because having found that out, this was on this 1609 01:02:57,290 --> 01:02:59,790 whole list, was on the lips of loads of experienced teachers 1610 01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:00,620 when we started. Yeah. 1611 01:03:00,630 --> 01:03:02,490 And they were saying things like, no, we shouldn't. 1612 01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:05,010 We, we absolutely should not be spending our time putting data 1613 01:03:05,020 --> 01:03:06,140 in. We should not be spending our 1614 01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:07,180 time doing this admin. Yeah. 1615 01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:10,350 Not teaching like literal admin. And I remember sat there going, 1616 01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,830 yeah, of course, of course we do the job, which probably do 1617 01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,440 because. Because we trained them a time 1618 01:03:14,450 --> 01:03:16,460 where there was didn't exist And we were like, yeah, of course. 1619 01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:18,590 It's just part of what we do. So it's really interesting. 1620 01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,190 Now we've made highlights of some of the ones that stood out 1621 01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,420 for us for various reasons. If you want to see the whole 1622 01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:25,060 list, go and click above. But we're going to go through 1623 01:03:25,070 --> 01:03:27,770 some now because some really stood out the sore thumb and 1624 01:03:27,780 --> 01:03:30,290 others wanted to ask because I I don't see it as a problem. 1625 01:03:30,300 --> 01:03:32,250 I don't think teachers do these things already. 1626 01:03:32,260 --> 01:03:34,880 Well, yeah, so some of them the the number one thing and I think 1627 01:03:34,890 --> 01:03:38,510 a lot of teachers out there be thinking, ohh, I do this and I 1628 01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,970 know that I've spent a lot of time doing it to the point now 1629 01:03:40,980 --> 01:03:43,030 where I just refuse. I'm like, no, it's silly. 1630 01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,090 And it's good to see that this is kind of back in now here 1631 01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,990 managing and transferring data about pupils into a school 1632 01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,990 management system or printing electronic records for paper 1633 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,790 filing or more specifically as well in this list, reformatting 1634 01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,980 data that already exists and then re entering it into 1635 01:03:58,990 --> 01:04:01,090 multiple different systems across the school. 1636 01:04:01,170 --> 01:04:05,590 Essentially it's data entry. As a teacher, it is now going to 1637 01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:10,220 be explicit in this list that I am not expected to spend my time 1638 01:04:10,270 --> 01:04:14,800 typing numbers into a thing. There is no point me doing that 1639 01:04:14,810 --> 01:04:17,100 specifically when it already exists and it needs to be in for 1640 01:04:17,110 --> 01:04:18,080 a. Different level. 1641 01:04:18,090 --> 01:04:20,560 I mean, when we started our career that was a that was a 1642 01:04:20,570 --> 01:04:21,820 buzzword. Remember people, we call it 1643 01:04:21,830 --> 01:04:23,720 triple assessments, triple assessment. 1644 01:04:23,870 --> 01:04:26,090 And that has fizzled out over the years where people have been 1645 01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:28,420 whittled down, All those people have quit, and then all the new 1646 01:04:28,430 --> 01:04:30,550 people didn't know about it. But it was, it was a big thing 1647 01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,440 when I started. It was like, no, it's really, 1648 01:04:32,450 --> 01:04:35,640 really, really bad. If you have to enter data into a 1649 01:04:35,650 --> 01:04:37,300 system, then you're told to put it onto another one. 1650 01:04:37,310 --> 01:04:39,010 Oh, it needs to go on here because we need to compare stuff 1651 01:04:39,020 --> 01:04:40,100 now. So I need you to copy that 1652 01:04:40,110 --> 01:04:42,630 information into this one. It's terrible. 1653 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,150 And I've always, always begged, I hate doing it. 1654 01:04:45,210 --> 01:04:46,960 It takes so much time, like, for example, when you have 1655 01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:48,900 assessment weeks, right, which all schools do. 1656 01:04:49,450 --> 01:04:52,700 It already takes longer. We have to mark the marking the 1657 01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:54,710 test than it would do like marking lessons that day. 1658 01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,640 So we're already well over what we'd be normally to be doing to 1659 01:04:57,650 --> 01:05:01,980 then have to sit there and put in ones and zeros or have to put 1660 01:05:01,990 --> 01:05:03,780 in scores into three different places. 1661 01:05:03,830 --> 01:05:06,460 It is just such. By the way, when we've got a 1662 01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:09,060 part of them to like get on through cause we've got English, 1663 01:05:09,150 --> 01:05:11,500 we've just done the maths paper. Yeah, by the way, we did history 1664 01:05:11,510 --> 01:05:12,910 that afternoon. We got a whole part of history 1665 01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,280 books. You know, teachers need to spend 1666 01:05:15,290 --> 01:05:17,580 time doing teacher jobs. But on the flip side, who does 1667 01:05:17,590 --> 01:05:19,140 it then? Because we do need that data. 1668 01:05:19,190 --> 01:05:21,210 So this is going to be a theme all the way through, right? 1669 01:05:21,250 --> 01:05:23,310 Because I think it's all well and good putting this list in. 1670 01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,420 But I completely agree. And it's that devil's advocate 1671 01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:26,780 again. It's like, you know, teachers 1672 01:05:26,790 --> 01:05:28,210 want to have our cake and eat it sometimes. 1673 01:05:28,220 --> 01:05:31,520 Yeah, the the problem is that they've been squeezing pay for 1674 01:05:31,530 --> 01:05:34,260 teachers for so long that we're at the point now we're like, no, 1675 01:05:34,410 --> 01:05:37,760 yeah, it I I truly think maybe I'm being naive and maybe you'd 1676 01:05:37,770 --> 01:05:40,060 get used to it. But if there was any kind of 1677 01:05:40,070 --> 01:05:42,840 form of keeping up with inflation and not having 0% 1678 01:05:42,910 --> 01:05:46,140 being completely frozen for that whole time in our first like 8 1679 01:05:46,150 --> 01:05:51,040 years, six years of teaching, I truly do think that we'd be much 1680 01:05:51,050 --> 01:05:52,900 more up for just continuing with the job. 1681 01:05:53,070 --> 01:05:56,300 I I think knowing that on my pay has been absolutely whittled 1682 01:05:56,310 --> 01:05:59,890 away in terms of inflation and where I would have been even 10 1683 01:05:59,900 --> 01:06:02,780 years ago at this point in my career, it makes me really 1684 01:06:02,790 --> 01:06:03,940 reluctant to do any of this stuff. 1685 01:06:03,950 --> 01:06:05,680 Yeah, I think I'm much more would be like, yeah, alright, 1686 01:06:05,690 --> 01:06:07,430 I'll do a club. But let's be real, because it 1687 01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,920 does come down to the point where it is useful to have this 1688 01:06:09,930 --> 01:06:12,100 data. Assessment data is extremely 1689 01:06:12,110 --> 01:06:14,630 useful for schools, and gap analysis are extremely useful 1690 01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,200 for your teaching, so they need to be done. 1691 01:06:17,590 --> 01:06:19,300 Who does that? And I do actually think there's 1692 01:06:19,310 --> 01:06:21,460 gonna be a bit of a joke here running through where every 1693 01:06:21,470 --> 01:06:23,670 single answer to all these things is schools need to be 1694 01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:25,410 paid more so they can have someone that does it. 1695 01:06:25,450 --> 01:06:27,440 Yeah, because I honestly don't think I can't see another 1696 01:06:27,450 --> 01:06:29,080 answer. Yeah, the answer can't be ohh, 1697 01:06:29,090 --> 01:06:30,480 we now give it to the office staff. 1698 01:06:30,490 --> 01:06:35,080 Yeah, they're everyone working in school is maxed out plus 50% 1699 01:06:35,090 --> 01:06:36,390 on their job. Every single person. 1700 01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,600 I promise you, there's no one in the school who's. 1701 01:06:38,610 --> 01:06:40,300 Who's having a? Having a job, I've got a cushy 1702 01:06:40,310 --> 01:06:43,210 deal, like, you know, I do six hours work but I'm paying for 10 1703 01:06:43,220 --> 01:06:45,120 everyday. No one is in that position. 1704 01:06:45,470 --> 01:06:48,740 So I do just think it's like, OK, I don't want, I shouldn't 1705 01:06:48,750 --> 01:06:50,950 have to do it anymore as a teacher in my free time for no 1706 01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,060 money. And there's no one else in the 1707 01:06:53,070 --> 01:06:54,270 school that can do it. But we need. 1708 01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:55,850 It done. So I think it should be. 1709 01:06:55,860 --> 01:06:57,650 Hmm. And this is what we do sometimes 1710 01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,750 in our school teaching assistant. 1711 01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,110 Instead of supporting for one lesson, they're going into the 1712 01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,010 data. OK, so that's a way it doesn't 1713 01:07:04,020 --> 01:07:06,490 cost any more. But you know, a lot of people 1714 01:07:06,500 --> 01:07:10,150 will be upset that there could be helping for children do that 1715 01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:14,210 one preposition sentence. OK, they could be, but it means 1716 01:07:14,220 --> 01:07:16,810 I don't spend 2 hours after school today doing it myself. 1717 01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,420 So do you know what they're going to put it in? 1718 01:07:18,510 --> 01:07:20,190 I think it has to be. We're gonna have to have a lot 1719 01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,580 of that. And if people don't like that, 1720 01:07:22,670 --> 01:07:24,320 OK, give us money to hire someone. 1721 01:07:24,330 --> 01:07:26,610 To find the schools, you have to find a manager that does all of 1722 01:07:26,620 --> 01:07:27,240 this. Exactly right. 1723 01:07:27,250 --> 01:07:29,540 Because this is the problem in now there's no funding, so it 1724 01:07:29,550 --> 01:07:31,940 falls on us a lot. We're gonna talk about academies 1725 01:07:31,950 --> 01:07:33,850 later, but here's one of the perks of being an Academy where 1726 01:07:33,860 --> 01:07:36,320 you can absolutely just rip off your staff anyway, is that you 1727 01:07:36,330 --> 01:07:39,000 can save money by not paying your staff properly to employ 1728 01:07:39,010 --> 01:07:40,670 these kind of people. So maybe we should All the 1729 01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:42,370 government were right. Let's all become academies. 1730 01:07:42,380 --> 01:07:43,420 Then we can rip everyone. Off. 1731 01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:46,840 I can't wait to guys stick around, because if you're 1732 01:07:46,850 --> 01:07:48,520 listening all this thing, it sounds good. 1733 01:07:48,790 --> 01:07:49,940 Just wait. Just wait. 1734 01:07:49,950 --> 01:07:51,700 Anyway, we're going. So yeah, that's that one. 1735 01:07:51,710 --> 01:07:53,620 It needs to be done. Yeah, someone's gotta do it, 1736 01:07:53,630 --> 01:07:55,240 Eva. Someone's time is repurposed in 1737 01:07:55,250 --> 01:07:57,920 school and there's no extra time or we have money to employ. 1738 01:07:57,930 --> 01:08:01,260 Someone or you put time in before to know that data goes in 1739 01:08:01,270 --> 01:08:02,520 one place and everyone uses it from. 1740 01:08:02,530 --> 01:08:04,950 This is where the workload workforce might come in really 1741 01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:06,630 handy, because they might be able to think of it. 1742 01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:08,240 I don't know the answer, but they might be able to sit down 1743 01:08:08,250 --> 01:08:10,770 and think of a solution where it's like teachers still can do 1744 01:08:10,780 --> 01:08:13,060 this because we've now put in the system where they we've just 1745 01:08:13,070 --> 01:08:15,020 freed up 3 hours, 3 hours of their time on this. 1746 01:08:15,030 --> 01:08:17,770 As well I don't I I don't mind and maybe I'm still wrong with 1747 01:08:17,779 --> 01:08:18,770 this. I don't know how to interpret 1748 01:08:18,779 --> 01:08:21,470 this, maybe more clear by the time they finish, but I don't 1749 01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,359 necessarily think it's bad right? 1750 01:08:23,370 --> 01:08:25,130 That I marked the test and put their score in. 1751 01:08:25,140 --> 01:08:26,470 Somewhere. I'm not above it. 1752 01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:26,870 No. Yeah. 1753 01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:27,950 I don't think I'm better than people. 1754 01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:29,290 Yeah. I don't put numbers into. 1755 01:08:29,300 --> 01:08:30,050 Yeah. No, of course not. 1756 01:08:30,060 --> 01:08:31,770 It's just that I'm doing at 8:00 PM. 1757 01:08:31,819 --> 01:08:34,370 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. At home or for the 4th time of 1758 01:08:34,380 --> 01:08:35,010 the same? Day. 1759 01:08:35,020 --> 01:08:36,569 Yeah, yeah, that, that kind of thing. 1760 01:08:36,580 --> 01:08:39,529 So that actually scrapped. So really entering data does 1761 01:08:39,540 --> 01:08:41,399 does just need to be scrapped. We need to stop doing that. 1762 01:08:41,410 --> 01:08:42,800 Schools need to sort their systems out. 1763 01:08:42,859 --> 01:08:45,160 So you're not putting in your data in three different places. 1764 01:08:45,170 --> 01:08:47,029 It's ridiculous. But when it comes to doing 1765 01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:50,160 important jobs, like actually putting data into, see, yeah, to 1766 01:08:50,170 --> 01:08:51,740 see gaps. That's part of our assessment, 1767 01:08:51,750 --> 01:08:54,340 in my opinion. That's part We get it every 1768 01:08:54,350 --> 01:08:55,649 week. I know it's not enough time, 1769 01:08:55,660 --> 01:08:56,979 whatever, but part of our job is. 1770 01:08:56,990 --> 01:08:59,500 To assess the someone said to me, OK, on assessment weeks 1771 01:08:59,750 --> 01:09:02,100 Friday afternoon, you got two hours you've been covered that 1772 01:09:02,109 --> 01:09:03,560 day. All you need to do in that two 1773 01:09:03,569 --> 01:09:04,779 hours is just put your data in up. 1774 01:09:04,790 --> 01:09:05,580 Cool. Thank you. 1775 01:09:05,670 --> 01:09:07,200 I'll do that. It's in the job time. 1776 01:09:07,210 --> 01:09:09,060 Of course I'll do anything you want in that job time. 1777 01:09:09,069 --> 01:09:11,710 It's almost the same as saying OK, by the way, this week after 1778 01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:13,689 school for an hour, you need to teach another maths lesson. 1779 01:09:13,890 --> 01:09:16,040 People like no, Yeah yeah, like what? 1780 01:09:16,050 --> 01:09:17,470 Why, then, is it OK for you to tell? 1781 01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:18,600 Me. Hayden, You're right. 1782 01:09:18,609 --> 01:09:21,960 Head this tonight, 8:00 PM. Four of your kids were couldn't 1783 01:09:21,970 --> 01:09:23,580 make it. Can you do that math lesson 1784 01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:25,880 again tonight? Yeah, sure, I'll do it. 1785 01:09:25,950 --> 01:09:27,979 I'll do that. No, of course I wouldn't. 1786 01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:30,020 I'm not also going to sit there and put ones and zeros into a 1787 01:09:30,029 --> 01:09:32,680 spreadsheet at 8:00 PM anyway. That's that one move. 1788 01:09:32,689 --> 01:09:33,720 On next one. Really. 1789 01:09:33,729 --> 01:09:35,500 I I love this one. It's something I've stopped 1790 01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:36,760 doing. I think it's nonsense. 1791 01:09:36,770 --> 01:09:39,120 I did a lot when I was younger. I mean, I thought it was really 1792 01:09:39,130 --> 01:09:42,080 important, explicit now. Teachers should not produce 1793 01:09:42,090 --> 01:09:44,540 photographic evidence or practical lessons, yeah. 1794 01:09:44,850 --> 01:09:45,870 Like, I think they don't have to. 1795 01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:47,250 You can do if you want, yeah, of course. 1796 01:09:47,260 --> 01:09:49,050 You have to do it. I might do it sometimes because 1797 01:09:49,060 --> 01:09:50,880 maybe it's a beautiful piece of art and they're gonna take it 1798 01:09:50,890 --> 01:09:52,220 home and maybe I just want in their book. 1799 01:09:52,290 --> 01:09:55,420 But if I don't, it's not bad. It's not something that I can be 1800 01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:57,530 asked to do. Because guess what? 1801 01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,550 Planning and teaching and still marking and assessing A 1802 01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,490 practical lesson. Yeah, is still planning, 1803 01:10:02,500 --> 01:10:04,410 teaching and assessing A practical lesson. 1804 01:10:04,540 --> 01:10:06,950 There's that trust there, which is like Ohh unless is the 1805 01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:08,900 picture of Deans in the book, how do I know they had? 1806 01:10:08,910 --> 01:10:10,090 The Deans. It's the trust. 1807 01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:11,670 I thought I was gonna say was scrap it. 1808 01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:13,370 Because you know what? It's just a stupid way of 1809 01:10:13,380 --> 01:10:14,570 checking. The teachers have done nothing. 1810 01:10:14,580 --> 01:10:16,470 Yes they have. If they wrote the thing in their 1811 01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:18,170 book and said they did it, they did it. 1812 01:10:18,180 --> 01:10:19,700 If you really look at that plans, look at. 1813 01:10:19,710 --> 01:10:21,630 That plan, even if they didn't write in the book, But you know 1814 01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:22,400 the planet. Yeah. 1815 01:10:22,410 --> 01:10:24,830 Well, did you walk for the room and the kids were sat watching a 1816 01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:25,770 film. No, we didn't. 1817 01:10:25,780 --> 01:10:27,330 OK, but I had that. Honestly. 1818 01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,470 Go, go look at what your teachers are doing. 1819 01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:31,900 God's sake. I think it's a harsh comment. 1820 01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:32,960 Yeah. Yeah. 1821 01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:34,380 You don't need to. They're getting on with all the 1822 01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:37,860 safeguards. Every day, but just trust them. 1823 01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:39,520 Yeah, next one. This was really this. 1824 01:10:39,530 --> 01:10:41,300 This was something that I thought straight away. 1825 01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:45,120 Yeah, OK, sounds good. But we need stuff though. 1826 01:10:45,130 --> 01:10:46,130 Yeah? So this is interesting. 1827 01:10:46,140 --> 01:10:49,500 Funny, I thought, creating and creating or copying files 1828 01:10:49,510 --> 01:10:52,180 perceived to be required in anticipation of an inspection 1829 01:10:52,190 --> 01:10:54,880 from Ofsted. This was the ultimate example to 1830 01:10:54,890 --> 01:10:57,970 me of what a ridiculous thing to put in a list that teachers 1831 01:10:57,980 --> 01:11:00,330 don't have to do while simultaneously not completely 1832 01:11:00,340 --> 01:11:02,420 revamping offset itself. Would you? 1833 01:11:02,430 --> 01:11:05,220 Saying I fully agree often Inspector comes in. 1834 01:11:05,230 --> 01:11:07,040 We had Ofsted recently, right? Yeah. 1835 01:11:07,050 --> 01:11:09,850 OK. And we did obviously print and 1836 01:11:09,860 --> 01:11:12,220 copy all of our important documents and have them in front 1837 01:11:12,230 --> 01:11:13,810 of us. And some of those things we 1838 01:11:13,820 --> 01:11:15,880 wrote up in the week before, we actually, we this needs to be 1839 01:11:15,890 --> 01:11:17,430 more concise. We need to have this in a nice 1840 01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:19,910 concise way so we can be like, hey, look at the stuff we do. 1841 01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,290 Of course we did that. And if we didn't, it would have 1842 01:11:23,300 --> 01:11:25,130 been, it would have been picked up and we would have looked 1843 01:11:25,140 --> 01:11:27,430 stupid. We would have looked worse 1844 01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,400 because in the current framework of the Ofsted Inspector would 1845 01:11:30,410 --> 01:11:31,870 have been like, OK, you're not prepared. 1846 01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:33,610 You're very good leaders. You have nothing to show me. 1847 01:11:33,620 --> 01:11:34,930 It's terrible. Requires improvement. 1848 01:11:34,940 --> 01:11:36,410 Yeah, of course we need to do that. 1849 01:11:36,420 --> 01:11:38,850 That's a stupid. That yeah, it warmed me up that 1850 01:11:38,860 --> 01:11:41,790 that that's cool. But I actually just think it's 1851 01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:43,270 wrong. I think it's the only. 1852 01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,300 Again, maybe this is just for teachers. 1853 01:11:45,340 --> 01:11:47,490 If you've got a TL and you're leading something, maybe then 1854 01:11:47,500 --> 01:11:49,570 that comes under there and some of this stuff doesn't apply 1855 01:11:49,580 --> 01:11:52,650 right. So as a class teacher still the 1856 01:11:52,660 --> 01:11:54,270 history the drug free. The people lead. 1857 01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,010 I bet in your school don't have TLR. 1858 01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:57,970 Yeah and what if they get deep dive in history. 1859 01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,430 Sorry the 23 prong list said that don't have to prep 1860 01:12:00,440 --> 01:12:01,940 anything. Do you think that's gonna? 1861 01:12:01,950 --> 01:12:03,030 Wash. I reckon we probably 1862 01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:04,930 misunderstood this bit though, cause I reckon there's a deeper 1863 01:12:04,940 --> 01:12:06,160 thing here. Maybe it's just as good. 1864 01:12:06,170 --> 01:12:08,210 As creating. I know, but I think this is 1865 01:12:08,220 --> 01:12:10,580 probably talking about those schools where it's like Ofsted 1866 01:12:10,590 --> 01:12:12,830 could come anytime in the next five years and they're 1867 01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:17,520 constantly asking their teachers to produce extra things or copy 1868 01:12:17,530 --> 01:12:20,150 certain things just in case everyone has to keep an Ofsted 1869 01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,250 folder in their classroom of your current lessons. 1870 01:12:22,440 --> 01:12:24,620 You know stuff like that. It's like that's probably what 1871 01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:25,930 it means. I think we've been lucky enough 1872 01:12:25,940 --> 01:12:27,780 to not with that. That is not the environment 1873 01:12:27,790 --> 01:12:29,280 we've been working. So it's hard to even perceive 1874 01:12:29,290 --> 01:12:31,430 it. I know that schools exist where 1875 01:12:31,500 --> 01:12:35,230 weekly teachers workload is increased on the fear that often 1876 01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:36,780 are coming in. It's offsets come in next week. 1877 01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:38,700 You don't be caught short without these things that's 1878 01:12:38,710 --> 01:12:40,830 always have them ready that worthless. 1879 01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,030 A week later you have to update them the next thing. 1880 01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:45,760 I think that. Yeah, OK, do it when offered. 1881 01:12:45,770 --> 01:12:48,770 Come not every weekend. When we found out after becoming 1882 01:12:48,780 --> 01:12:51,170 the day before, obviously we went and printed a bunch of 1883 01:12:51,180 --> 01:12:52,510 stuff for them. That's fine. 1884 01:12:52,610 --> 01:12:55,720 But yeah, this next one is something that I maybe I'm blind 1885 01:12:55,730 --> 01:12:58,040 to this, but it's in there. So it's obviously a problem. 1886 01:12:58,050 --> 01:13:00,360 But it's something I read and I thought, that's not something we 1887 01:13:00,370 --> 01:13:01,770 ever do, is it? As teachers, yeah. 1888 01:13:01,780 --> 01:13:03,470 So interesting. If you're listening, you do this 1889 01:13:03,510 --> 01:13:06,680 producing and collecting analysis of attendance figures 1890 01:13:06,690 --> 01:13:09,320 or investigating pupils, absence, neither of those things 1891 01:13:09,330 --> 01:13:11,180 we should be doing as a teacher. I think it's a. 1892 01:13:11,190 --> 01:13:14,100 Huge huge issue right now which maybe it's been put on teachers 1893 01:13:14,110 --> 01:13:16,280 door because I've never, you know, teachers see them but I've 1894 01:13:16,290 --> 01:13:18,100 never ever experienced that. No, no I can. 1895 01:13:18,110 --> 01:13:20,040 I can. I can't imagine a school perhaps 1896 01:13:20,050 --> 01:13:21,960 saying, like, if someone's awake, could you just give the 1897 01:13:21,970 --> 01:13:24,130 parents a ring after school Could imagine that slipping in. 1898 01:13:24,140 --> 01:13:25,520 Sure. And I'll be interested if you if 1899 01:13:25,530 --> 01:13:26,880 that. If you're in that situation, 1900 01:13:26,890 --> 01:13:28,900 please do write to us. Yeah, and how can they write to 1901 01:13:28,910 --> 01:13:30,250 them? And they can find us. 1902 01:13:30,260 --> 01:13:32,090 But honestly, the best. I've not actually checked the 1903 01:13:32,100 --> 01:13:35,020 e-mail in ages, so if you've emailed us brilliant, it's 1904 01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:37,760 great. But Instagram? 1905 01:13:37,770 --> 01:13:40,540 That's the place to be. Follow us on at Teach St repeat 1906 01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:42,660 podcast on Instagram. We don't ask so much, guys. 1907 01:13:42,670 --> 01:13:44,620 If you got this part on the podcast and you haven't given us 1908 01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:47,060 a five star review on Spotify or on Apple podcast, we'd really 1909 01:13:47,070 --> 01:13:49,300 appreciate it if you could follow on Instagram. 1910 01:13:49,390 --> 01:13:52,160 There's a nice growing. Community, when you used to do 1911 01:13:52,170 --> 01:13:56,380 the app for our e-mail and our Instagram, then threads and also 1912 01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:59,000 Twitter and Instagram or we won't. 1913 01:13:59,010 --> 01:14:00,980 Bother her anymore. Come to Instagram. 1914 01:14:00,990 --> 01:14:03,030 Instagram is the place. OK, Instagram place. 1915 01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,920 Anyway, it's about people's absence. 1916 01:14:05,930 --> 01:14:07,250 I don't think it's much of a problem. 1917 01:14:07,340 --> 01:14:10,010 This next one again, is in the same kind of thing. 1918 01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,250 Do not responsibility for producing, copying and uploading 1919 01:14:13,260 --> 01:14:15,550 and distributing bulk communications to parents and 1920 01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,910 pupils. Again, I think most offices do 1921 01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:19,870 that. I've read this and I thought it 1922 01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:21,990 bulks out the list a bit, but is that really happening in 1923 01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:23,620 schools? Yeah, it's a weird one because I 1924 01:14:23,630 --> 01:14:26,880 think we split that up, right. The producing bit I'm sort of 1925 01:14:26,890 --> 01:14:28,510 like. I don't know though, because if 1926 01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,340 I organise a trip I do kind of think. 1927 01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:34,060 It's that if you organise a trip, let me very quickly tell 1928 01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:35,380 you the next thing on this list. Ohh. 1929 01:14:35,390 --> 01:14:36,410 Hang on. God. 1930 01:14:36,420 --> 01:14:37,740 Yeah, I know. I know. 1931 01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,630 OK, go on, say it now. Sorry, but this is something I 1932 01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:42,110 didn't understand so you can make the link here. 1933 01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:46,090 Yeah, teachers should not administer anything relating to 1934 01:14:46,100 --> 01:14:49,650 school visits, trips and residentials and of work 1935 01:14:49,660 --> 01:14:51,330 experience. Yeah, so no administration 1936 01:14:51,340 --> 01:14:54,010 related to that. No no booking, no no calling, no 1937 01:14:54,020 --> 01:14:56,530 sorting. How will How would a trip? 1938 01:14:56,540 --> 01:14:58,050 Happen. Maybe we're being naive here. 1939 01:14:58,060 --> 01:15:00,780 Maybe we are have just fallen down into that sinkhole of. 1940 01:15:00,860 --> 01:15:04,170 Well, actually, I tell you what I have worked in a school before 1941 01:15:04,220 --> 01:15:05,830 where that was true. Right. 1942 01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,320 And we had a person who's role it was they were dedicated to 1943 01:15:09,330 --> 01:15:12,070 this was all you. All you had to do was fill a 1944 01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,070 little form saying this is where we want to go with this class 1945 01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:15,630 and give it to. And they do all of it, right. 1946 01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:17,370 They did all of it. So they looked it up, looked at 1947 01:15:17,380 --> 01:15:19,410 the price, the cost, the timing. They booked it, they booked the 1948 01:15:19,420 --> 01:15:21,940 coaches, they made the letter they sent out to the parents. 1949 01:15:21,950 --> 01:15:24,130 Yeah. So it could exist. 1950 01:15:24,140 --> 01:15:26,290 But I do. It is hard one because right now 1951 01:15:26,300 --> 01:15:27,940 it's true though should it be our job? 1952 01:15:27,980 --> 01:15:29,450 Should it? Clearly not. 1953 01:15:29,460 --> 01:15:33,250 But it is one thing for right now I feel very guilty if I went 1954 01:15:33,260 --> 01:15:35,250 out to my office staff, who I know are equally completely 1955 01:15:35,260 --> 01:15:38,150 round with exactly right and said to them I want to go on a 1956 01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:41,660 trip to the Kent life thing. I'm going to do a day there next 1957 01:15:41,670 --> 01:15:42,950 term sometime. Can you sort that out? 1958 01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:44,080 Cheers. Yeah. 1959 01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,270 I would rightfully. They'd be like, no, yeah, 1960 01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:48,630 obviously I'll go, obviously I'll sort that out. 1961 01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,030 Yeah, they're doing too much. Stuff, you know? 1962 01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:51,530 But there you go. Maybe we just fall into that. 1963 01:15:51,540 --> 01:15:52,850 Sorry. So that's producing, copying 1964 01:15:52,860 --> 01:15:55,490 stuff and uploading and distributing anything that goes 1965 01:15:55,500 --> 01:15:56,130 out. Yeah. 1966 01:15:56,140 --> 01:15:57,970 So the producing bit was for me. That's what I was talking about, 1967 01:15:57,980 --> 01:15:59,310 really was. Of course, I'm gonna produce the 1968 01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,400 letter to save their parents. We're gonna go on this trip 1969 01:16:01,410 --> 01:16:03,430 newsletter as well. The parents, the the office 1970 01:16:03,440 --> 01:16:06,820 staff might check that letter or copy here and and give it to me, 1971 01:16:06,830 --> 01:16:09,420 or they might distribute it at via the school website or 1972 01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:11,260 something. But yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna 1973 01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:14,330 at least produce the content of the trip that I want to take the 1974 01:16:14,340 --> 01:16:16,260 kids. Yeah, I just think this list is 1975 01:16:16,270 --> 01:16:18,840 cool in many ways, but there are some holes in it and I think it 1976 01:16:18,850 --> 01:16:21,100 felt like they were bulking out. Maybe they're just being really, 1977 01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:23,840 really cautious and but I think they've gone too far sometimes. 1978 01:16:23,850 --> 01:16:26,430 Hopefully just proved as well with the other analogy that that 1979 01:16:26,440 --> 01:16:28,520 you can have a system that exists where you actually that's 1980 01:16:28,530 --> 01:16:30,610 true and you just focus on. Tech and This is why we're 1981 01:16:30,620 --> 01:16:32,540 saying at all you guys you know if you've got experience this 1982 01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:34,880 you're thinking guys know this is needed let us know. 1983 01:16:34,890 --> 01:16:37,140 Tell us and ordering applies an equipment. 1984 01:16:37,150 --> 01:16:39,430 Another thing. I'm the person who knows what we 1985 01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:40,700 need because I've planned everything. 1986 01:16:40,990 --> 01:16:43,120 Let's say I've planned a unit. I recently planned it art unit, 1987 01:16:43,130 --> 01:16:46,020 and it was printing, it was weaving, it was all to do 1988 01:16:46,030 --> 01:16:48,440 textiles and stuff like that. How am I? 1989 01:16:48,500 --> 01:16:51,180 How are we supposed to deliver that without me ordering? 1990 01:16:51,190 --> 01:16:54,060 It OK, devil's advocate, was it your decision to to have that 1991 01:16:54,170 --> 01:16:56,040 unit of planning? No. 1992 01:16:56,110 --> 01:16:58,470 Did someone tell you this is the this is what you've got to teach 1993 01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:00,710 this time? No, I'm sorry. 1994 01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,890 Yeah, someone told me. So you didn't originally decide 1995 01:17:02,900 --> 01:17:04,570 to do that. So I think it would be fair to 1996 01:17:04,580 --> 01:17:07,910 say, OK, SLT have decided that you're doing this complex art 1997 01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,180 thing. They can, they can sort out the. 1998 01:17:10,220 --> 01:17:13,910 But do you not think that them doing that would be them coming 1999 01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,660 to me and asking me what I need and then I still have to tell 2000 01:17:16,670 --> 01:17:17,930 them and I still have to find it and I? 2001 01:17:17,940 --> 01:17:18,950 Loved it? I guess. 2002 01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:22,160 I guess you could argue that if they have come in with this 2003 01:17:22,170 --> 01:17:24,610 scheme of whoever's come in with this scheme of work, maybe part 2004 01:17:24,620 --> 01:17:27,190 of their role should be knowing all of the extra supplies that 2005 01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:29,630 teachers are now required to get and just ordering it for them, 2006 01:17:30,180 --> 01:17:33,760 in the same way that I kind of just expect, you know, pens and 2007 01:17:33,770 --> 01:17:35,050 books. This was going to say, do you 2008 01:17:35,060 --> 01:17:37,840 think that this is talking about daily equipment? 2009 01:17:37,850 --> 01:17:39,260 It doesn't make that stipulation. 2010 01:17:39,310 --> 01:17:42,260 I don't know. And maybe again, it's not even 2011 01:17:42,490 --> 01:17:45,000 talking about the first stage, which is just knowing what we 2012 01:17:45,010 --> 01:17:46,880 need. It might be that in some schools 2013 01:17:46,890 --> 01:17:51,100 the teachers have to actually do the whole process, like e-mail 2014 01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:52,820 the company and do the actual order. 2015 01:17:53,150 --> 01:17:54,750 There's a lot of schools that they do half and. 2016 01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:57,200 Half you put a sheet. You give us a little form, tell 2017 01:17:57,210 --> 01:17:59,520 us what you need and we'll do the rest, because I think that 2018 01:17:59,530 --> 01:18:02,850 situation is OK. But yeah, but but 90% of the job 2019 01:18:02,860 --> 01:18:06,610 is filing through the website and the and and the magazine and 2020 01:18:06,620 --> 01:18:08,720 seeing the numbers and finding it and working out how much it 2021 01:18:08,730 --> 01:18:09,820 will cost and saying how much you. 2022 01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:12,250 Need Well you again you're assuming that this teacher has 2023 01:18:12,260 --> 01:18:14,610 would have to do all that I'm I'm I'm imagining there's a 2024 01:18:14,620 --> 01:18:18,350 sheet where it says I need more pens and books I don't care what 2025 01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,980 they are you you you would know the pens and books that we order 2026 01:18:20,990 --> 01:18:22,300 for our school. I'm just telling you need more 2027 01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:24,370 of them, you know, I think that's. 2028 01:18:24,380 --> 01:18:25,760 For a specific thing, I think it's different. 2029 01:18:25,770 --> 01:18:28,130 Now for a specific art unit, you're gonna have to know what I 2030 01:18:28,140 --> 01:18:29,910 can't just put fabric and hope you know. 2031 01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,980 Yeah of course in that one goes back to my other I just think OK 2032 01:18:32,990 --> 01:18:36,460 you unless you if you decided if you took it upon yourself to 2033 01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:38,760 change your art unit and and you were like I really want to do 2034 01:18:38,770 --> 01:18:41,400 this thing then maybe alright but then have a. 2035 01:18:41,410 --> 01:18:42,800 Head on, but then that'll make people not want to. 2036 01:18:42,810 --> 01:18:43,280 Do it? Yeah. 2037 01:18:43,290 --> 01:18:44,370 OK. Yeah, maybe. 2038 01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:46,220 I don't know. There's not again which? 2039 01:18:46,710 --> 01:18:48,880 I guess the extreme would be imagine someone came to you and 2040 01:18:48,890 --> 01:18:52,070 they changed your SLT, change your curriculum where three 2041 01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,460 times a week. Now you needed to have tonnes of 2042 01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:56,020 equipment and you weren't planning on making these 2043 01:18:56,030 --> 01:18:57,240 changes. You were quite happy with your 2044 01:18:57,250 --> 01:18:59,170 curriculum before and they said yeah, now three times a week we 2045 01:18:59,180 --> 01:19:02,040 did these things and you constantly need to order enough. 2046 01:19:02,110 --> 01:19:04,310 I think you you'd be reasonable to be like, OK, you've made 2047 01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,920 these changes, so I will deliver them and I'll look through the 2048 01:19:06,930 --> 01:19:08,460 lessons. But you do need to just supply 2049 01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:10,540 me with this stuff without me having to order it three times. 2050 01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:13,260 I've got 17 IP's to go through. I haven't got time to do that. 2051 01:19:13,390 --> 01:19:14,460 Yeah. No. 2052 01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:15,170 Yeah. And so. 2053 01:19:15,180 --> 01:19:18,160 OK, next one, administration of cover for absent teachers. 2054 01:19:18,230 --> 01:19:20,320 This was interesting because I know there are some schools 2055 01:19:20,330 --> 01:19:24,000 certainly where it does kind of fall on them to go around and 2056 01:19:24,010 --> 01:19:26,180 ask, you know, cover supervisors, oh, can you cover 2057 01:19:26,190 --> 01:19:27,720 this point? I think chase it all up. 2058 01:19:27,730 --> 01:19:29,310 I think that's a huge problem. I thought that was. 2059 01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:32,120 That was something where I think that needs to be addressed in a 2060 01:19:32,130 --> 01:19:33,320 lot of. Schools and give you a really 2061 01:19:33,330 --> 01:19:36,250 real for example from very recently is I went off on 2062 01:19:36,260 --> 01:19:40,170 paternity for two weeks and in those two weeks we had an 2063 01:19:40,180 --> 01:19:43,300 assessment week. So all of those tests that I'd 2064 01:19:43,310 --> 01:19:46,060 be marking gap, analysing and putting assessments on for in my 2065 01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:50,000 evenings fell on someone else there, you know, someone else 2066 01:19:50,010 --> 01:19:51,280 had to do it. So there was loads of 2067 01:19:51,290 --> 01:19:54,640 administration in terms of people in my team, they had to 2068 01:19:54,650 --> 01:19:57,940 sort out tonnes of stuff to for me to be covered for those two 2069 01:19:57,950 --> 01:19:59,340 weeks. And it's like I ended up feeling 2070 01:19:59,350 --> 01:20:02,700 bad about it, even though really it's not my fault the system is 2071 01:20:02,810 --> 01:20:05,580 broken like that. But it definitely highlighted 2072 01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:07,820 the fact that. You were on potentially feeling 2073 01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:10,020 bad about your job. Feeling bad that someone else 2074 01:20:10,030 --> 01:20:12,120 has got has got to do the free work that I would have done. 2075 01:20:12,620 --> 01:20:15,830 In the evening because like, you know you we might get like, 2076 01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:18,230 covering and cover don't. Cover is different. 2077 01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:19,810 As a teacher, they're not paid past school. 2078 01:20:19,820 --> 01:20:21,470 They don't. They don't sit and mark like 2079 01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:22,650 they might sit and mark something. 2080 01:20:22,660 --> 01:20:24,650 Again, some people do cover. I know you Mark, because I've 2081 01:20:24,660 --> 01:20:26,530 had to cover. People come in, but some who are 2082 01:20:26,540 --> 01:20:29,970 by the book will leave at 3:30 and it's not their problem and 2083 01:20:29,980 --> 01:20:32,540 stuff isn't done. So that's a classic example of 2084 01:20:33,260 --> 01:20:34,110 just. Yeah. 2085 01:20:34,220 --> 01:20:35,570 Administration. Yeah. 2086 01:20:35,620 --> 01:20:37,250 Required by other people. Yeah. 2087 01:20:37,260 --> 01:20:38,330 To cover my absence. Yeah. 2088 01:20:38,340 --> 01:20:39,940 It happens all the time. People are absent all the time. 2089 01:20:39,950 --> 01:20:41,890 And it's very much just if someone sick in the morning, 2090 01:20:41,900 --> 01:20:42,350 right. Sure. 2091 01:20:42,440 --> 01:20:43,690 Ohh. Can't come in today. 2092 01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:46,330 I think it's quite normal. I think it's quite normal for a 2093 01:20:46,340 --> 01:20:50,710 school to say, OK, the team around you just can you just 2094 01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,920 sort out, can you go and find that lessons and print it for 2095 01:20:53,930 --> 01:20:56,270 them and sort it out for them is that it's not really your job. 2096 01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:57,910 Isn't it? No, I can't actually. 2097 01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:00,120 The last one, last one going to talk about again the rest of the 2098 01:21:00,130 --> 01:21:03,810 list, which let's say above, it's it's a podcast, there's 2099 01:21:03,820 --> 01:21:05,490 nothing above. It's the discussion below in 2100 01:21:05,500 --> 01:21:09,190 this YouTube video. Subscription And this one really 2101 01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:11,370 made me laugh because it's really vague and I think it sums 2102 01:21:11,380 --> 01:21:13,850 up kind of like the hit and miss nature of this whole list. 2103 01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:16,010 Some of it's great and some of it I just find a bit weird. 2104 01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,270 It's simply said bulk photocopying. 2105 01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:20,710 Yeah, I remember, we both remember, we saw this list. 2106 01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:22,210 We were both like, what does that even mean? 2107 01:21:22,220 --> 01:21:24,030 Yeah, because it can mean so much stuff. 2108 01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,130 We've kind of already covered the distribution of bulk 2109 01:21:26,140 --> 01:21:28,040 communications. So it obviously doesn't mean 2110 01:21:28,050 --> 01:21:31,110 that doesn't mean bulk photocopying for your team 2111 01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:35,660 because we do bulk photocopying because that's what we planned, 2112 01:21:35,670 --> 01:21:37,850 because what we plan. And it's easier for me to be 2113 01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:42,040 stop being one lesson like 100 times than it is for me to copy 2114 01:21:42,050 --> 01:21:43,950 every single lesson 30 times. Hmm. 2115 01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:46,440 It's it's easier to get my head around that as a team, we 2116 01:21:46,450 --> 01:21:47,720 decided. To kind of feel like it even 2117 01:21:47,730 --> 01:21:49,960 needs to be that that statement even needs to be about 2118 01:21:49,970 --> 01:21:51,800 photocopying in general. Like, yeah, just stop. 2119 01:21:51,810 --> 01:21:54,590 Photo teachers spend so much time photocopying in general 2120 01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,620 that could be a point to make. But bulk photocopy just seems 2121 01:21:57,630 --> 01:21:59,670 weird because it's efficient. It suggests that there's some 2122 01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:01,640 photocopying that's not bulk. Really, for a start. 2123 01:22:01,650 --> 01:22:03,690 Because realistically, everything. 2124 01:22:03,700 --> 01:22:06,100 I've got some stuff. Just yeah, true. 2125 01:22:06,110 --> 01:22:08,690 But some people would just print for their class as a mind. 2126 01:22:08,700 --> 01:22:10,570 Yeah. And other people like us, we 2127 01:22:10,580 --> 01:22:11,750 bulk. As in, yeah, I'll. 2128 01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:13,810 I'll print history for everyone. Yeah. 2129 01:22:13,820 --> 01:22:15,710 And then someone else will print geography for everyone. 2130 01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:17,310 Yeah. Which actually saves you time. 2131 01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:18,160 It does. It does more. 2132 01:22:18,170 --> 01:22:19,830 Efficient is weird. Get rid of, stop bolt 2133 01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:21,470 photocopying, Go back to doing it everyday. 2134 01:22:21,550 --> 01:22:23,870 Yeah, that's worse. I don't really have. 2135 01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,040 Yeah, and if their point is that there's too much photocopying, 2136 01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:28,530 putting it, spreading it out doesn't. 2137 01:22:28,540 --> 01:22:30,430 Help. Yeah, yeah, it's the. 2138 01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:32,070 It's either the photocopying or not. 2139 01:22:32,440 --> 01:22:34,610 Sure, it's not the bulkiness. That's not how. 2140 01:22:34,620 --> 01:22:36,370 You do it, that's gonna cause me. 2141 01:22:36,380 --> 01:22:39,200 It's the amount of photocopying I have to do overall across the 2142 01:22:39,210 --> 01:22:41,810 year that's the problem, right? So the other day, just real 2143 01:22:41,820 --> 01:22:45,500 quick photocopying, I was just speaking to my team and we were 2144 01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:48,040 sat there trimming sheets like you do every single day. 2145 01:22:48,090 --> 01:22:50,860 And I was like, I wish I knew. I wish there was a metric 2146 01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:54,560 somehow, obviously can't exist. I wish I knew how many sheets of 2147 01:22:54,570 --> 01:22:58,670 paper I have trimmed in my card, what how many times I've stunned 2148 01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:00,160 this on the slicer. Yeah, yeah. 2149 01:23:00,170 --> 01:23:03,120 Yeah, it's got to be like, if we had the numbers, I reckon they 2150 01:23:03,130 --> 01:23:04,500 would be. That's crazy. 2151 01:23:04,510 --> 01:23:06,940 Stupidly crazy. Do you mean. 2152 01:23:06,990 --> 01:23:08,590 OK, so how many times we're gonna go to. 2153 01:23:08,670 --> 01:23:10,020 Yeah. Well, it doesn't need to go into 2154 01:23:10,030 --> 01:23:10,440 detail. Yeah. 2155 01:23:10,450 --> 01:23:12,770 Do you mean how many times you've moved it or how many 2156 01:23:12,780 --> 01:23:14,890 individual pieces of paper? I was thinking about both. 2157 01:23:14,900 --> 01:23:16,790 So individual pieces of papers would be. 2158 01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:18,910 I wouldn't, I would be shocked if it's not millions. 2159 01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:20,190 Yeah, I think it will be in the millions. 2160 01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:22,670 Maybe I'm completely wrong off there, but my my gut is million. 2161 01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,370 I think about this nearly 10 years. 2162 01:23:24,380 --> 01:23:25,970 Well, I think in a day, right. In a day. 2163 01:23:25,980 --> 01:23:26,810 In a day. Roughly. 2164 01:23:26,820 --> 01:23:28,840 Eat this three lessons in the honestly, like 100 bits of 2165 01:23:28,850 --> 01:23:29,670 paper. I reckon more. 2166 01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:31,270 More. There's three lessons a day. 2167 01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:33,850 That's one sheet on each kid. Each day is 100. 2168 01:23:33,860 --> 01:23:35,220 Yeah. Let's say on average there's 2169 01:23:35,230 --> 01:23:37,420 probably, there's probably two or three sheets. 2170 01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:39,870 Yeah. OK, they say 200 a day. 2171 01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,040 It's 1000 every week. Yeah, that's 1000. 2172 01:23:42,050 --> 01:23:44,160 Have we have we been teaching for 1000 weeks? 2173 01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,700 So 50 weeks, 5038 weeks? 38 weeks, 38 weeks. 2174 01:23:47,710 --> 01:23:52,000 OK, 38,000 sheets a year, 38,000 sheets of paper. 2175 01:23:52,010 --> 01:23:53,190 Oh my God, is that? Right. 2176 01:23:53,250 --> 01:23:56,130 Yeah, I think so. Yeah, What, 200? 2177 01:23:56,140 --> 01:23:58,110 Something like that, yeah. No, we've what we've done. 2178 01:23:58,120 --> 01:23:58,950 I don't. Know plenty. 2179 01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:00,810 It's loaded. With 38 come from. 2180 01:24:01,500 --> 01:24:05,430 Ohh God 38 weeks that we teach ohh so 2002 papers, 1000 sheets 2181 01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:08,170 of paper a week, 1000 sheet. So 8000 a year. 2182 01:24:08,180 --> 01:24:11,910 It's not millions then, is it? 1000, a year that was in 10 2183 01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,640 years and nearly 10 years. Yeah, 100,000 comments. 2184 01:24:14,650 --> 01:24:17,930 Probably more though cause like you said it is on average some 2185 01:24:17,940 --> 01:24:19,820 lessons. I've printed half a mil, Half a 2186 01:24:19,830 --> 01:24:22,320 mil sheets of paper. I've put for a trim of myself 2187 01:24:22,330 --> 01:24:22,970 trees. Is that? 2188 01:24:22,980 --> 01:24:24,820 How many hours is that? Oh my God, I care about the 2189 01:24:24,830 --> 01:24:28,140 planet, my time. How many hours of my time as a 2190 01:24:28,150 --> 01:24:31,090 teacher, as a professional trained teacher if I spent 2191 01:24:31,130 --> 01:24:31,980 cutting? Paper. 2192 01:24:32,050 --> 01:24:33,500 That is where we need to move to A. 2193 01:24:33,650 --> 01:24:37,740 We need to get into the 21st. Century is getting the bulk bulk 2194 01:24:37,750 --> 01:24:40,430 photocopying and got to. Go do is instead of cutting 2195 01:24:40,440 --> 01:24:45,270 38,000 in let's say 1000 cuts, you wanna be cutting 30,000 and 2196 01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,920 38,000 individual cuts. Yeah, in fact, get rid of 2197 01:24:47,930 --> 01:24:49,400 slicing. We're gonna get the scissors out 2198 01:24:49,410 --> 01:24:50,800 mate. We're gonna cut every single 2199 01:24:50,810 --> 01:24:52,280 individual one. That will help workload 2200 01:24:52,290 --> 01:24:53,330 massively. Ohh God. 2201 01:24:53,340 --> 01:24:57,360 Anyway, you can find the rest of the whole report again in the 2202 01:24:57,370 --> 01:24:58,450 link. Go and click it. 2203 01:24:58,460 --> 01:24:59,310 You said that? Yep. 2204 01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:02,570 Go click in the link. But OK, couple of things. 2205 01:25:02,580 --> 01:25:05,320 Now then, at one, what's going to happen next? 2206 01:25:05,390 --> 01:25:09,820 OK, so what's gonna happen next very quickly is basically 2207 01:25:09,870 --> 01:25:11,280 they're going to carry on looking at this. 2208 01:25:11,290 --> 01:25:12,400 This is just the initial findings. 2209 01:25:12,410 --> 01:25:14,670 This is gonna carry on and luckily it is going to move 2210 01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:17,520 towards Ofsted, OK? Also, they're going to look 2211 01:25:17,530 --> 01:25:21,360 under the microscope at the STPC D that is the school teachers 2212 01:25:21,370 --> 01:25:23,420 paying conditions, an official document. 2213 01:25:23,470 --> 01:25:26,780 That's all schools, right. All schools have to follow the 2214 01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:28,780 schools, teachers paying conditions, which all of this is 2215 01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:31,580 linked to because everything that we've been suggested so far 2216 01:25:31,630 --> 01:25:34,140 is going to go into the schools, teachers paying conditions. 2217 01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:36,430 And we're so lucky in this country, right Hayden, that 2218 01:25:36,440 --> 01:25:39,790 every single school has to obviously follow the school's 2219 01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:41,150 teachers paying conditions. Right. 2220 01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:42,480 Ohh, didn't. I think you're giving a bit of 2221 01:25:42,490 --> 01:25:44,530 misconception there about how the country works. 2222 01:25:44,540 --> 01:25:47,150 Hayden, what's the bombshell after this, you know, one hour 2223 01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:50,020 and a half discussion we've just had about all of these things 2224 01:25:50,030 --> 01:25:52,470 that the government are going to agree to and bring in and and 2225 01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:55,250 change the schools, teachers, paying conditions so that all of 2226 01:25:55,260 --> 01:25:57,920 us have a contract that we can really enjoy and go along with 2227 01:25:57,930 --> 01:25:59,490 and and reduce workload. Hayden. 2228 01:25:59,500 --> 01:26:03,450 Alright Dylan, calm down, OK? The problem is, the problem is 2229 01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:06,690 in this country there are thousands of what we call 2230 01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:09,690 academies or trusts. Trusts tend to be more than one 2231 01:26:09,700 --> 01:26:10,590 Academy, don't they? So. 2232 01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:11,790 Schools. Amusement, OK? 2233 01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:13,750 An Academy trust. So a school can be an Academy 2234 01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,470 and that simply means it's not run by it. 2235 01:26:16,510 --> 01:26:18,990 They've taken out the link of the local educational authority 2236 01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:20,930 and the government basically works straight with the school. 2237 01:26:20,940 --> 01:26:23,210 It just cuts out the middleman. The idea is it's it's a bit, 2238 01:26:23,220 --> 01:26:25,320 it's run like a business. You're you're given X amount of 2239 01:26:25,330 --> 01:26:27,770 money and there's no one to you decide your budgets. 2240 01:26:27,780 --> 01:26:29,550 Yeah, you decide your it's not the council. 2241 01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:30,870 Giving you the budget. Yeah, right. 2242 01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,530 And the problem is that comes with this is it's more run more 2243 01:26:33,540 --> 01:26:37,700 like an independent business and the SPS TPCC D no longer 2244 01:26:37,710 --> 01:26:39,350 applies. They can make their own rules. 2245 01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,440 So are you saying that all of these changes to the schools, 2246 01:26:42,450 --> 01:26:45,030 teachers paying conditions, even if they do go through that an 2247 01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:46,960 Academy could turn around and go, well, we don't follow that 2248 01:26:46,970 --> 01:26:48,840 our. Academy can go like, no, we're 2249 01:26:48,850 --> 01:26:50,430 OK, thanks. And carry on doing what they do 2250 01:26:50,440 --> 01:26:52,870 in the same way and we've already experienced this in our 2251 01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,370 lives and Academy can just change the pay scale. 2252 01:26:55,380 --> 01:26:57,960 I can go like, Nah, we're just going to take it. 2253 01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:01,450 Let's double the amount of pay jumps and therefore half every 2254 01:27:01,460 --> 01:27:03,710 time we go up and then put it to do with pay and make. 2255 01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:04,490 It worse. Yeah. 2256 01:27:04,500 --> 01:27:05,290 Really good. So yeah. 2257 01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:08,100 Yeah, so that was, that was that story of someone who we worked 2258 01:27:08,110 --> 01:27:12,360 with who after like 6 years had gone up about one or two grand 2259 01:27:12,410 --> 01:27:13,760 just because just because they could. 2260 01:27:13,770 --> 01:27:16,100 And you know, it wasn't this thing where it was like, oh, 2261 01:27:16,110 --> 01:27:17,520 that's horrendous. That needs fixing. 2262 01:27:17,530 --> 01:27:19,500 It was well, we make our own rules, so even if it was a 2263 01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:20,820 mistake, Oh well. Yeah, and mental. 2264 01:27:20,830 --> 01:27:22,040 And she was a really good teacher. 2265 01:27:22,050 --> 01:27:23,760 Extremely passionate. Really good teacher. 2266 01:27:23,770 --> 01:27:25,000 Yeah. And they just totally took 2267 01:27:25,010 --> 01:27:26,520 advantage of her, Yeah. And. 2268 01:27:26,690 --> 01:27:28,960 And shunted her pay. By this year in in the same, in 2269 01:27:28,970 --> 01:27:30,580 the same breath, every single time. 2270 01:27:30,590 --> 01:27:33,160 If you were an NQT and you started and you did your year as 2271 01:27:33,170 --> 01:27:37,150 an NQT, yeah, very often in in a normal world you'd go, you'd 2272 01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:39,130 been a teacher for a year, you would go up one. 2273 01:27:39,140 --> 01:27:42,230 And the pay scale in this situation, all the pay scales 2274 01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:43,860 have been halved. So let's say there's six, 2275 01:27:43,870 --> 01:27:45,810 there's now 12. Yeah, because each jump is 2276 01:27:45,820 --> 01:27:48,930 actually half of a real jump as standard. 2277 01:27:48,940 --> 01:27:52,350 If you're an inquest, you've got half a jump, so you miss out on 2278 01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:55,350 a grand. The absolute evil genius of this 2279 01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:58,040 by the way, is what that even then on if you went up two 2280 01:27:58,050 --> 01:28:00,490 jumps, which by the way obviously is just one actual 2281 01:28:00,500 --> 01:28:04,260 jump, you were constantly half a pay scale behind where you would 2282 01:28:04,270 --> 01:28:06,310 be. So every single year, this 2283 01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:09,100 Academy would be saving 10s of thousands of pounds. 2284 01:28:09,190 --> 01:28:11,520 And it wasn't just like our one year on Behind. 2285 01:28:11,530 --> 01:28:12,760 No. Every single year. 2286 01:28:12,770 --> 01:28:14,600 You're always around. You were a grand every single 2287 01:28:14,610 --> 01:28:16,150 year they paying you and less than what they have been. 2288 01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:18,040 Doing so, they split up. Because it's just you. 2289 01:28:18,130 --> 01:28:19,530 Yeah, that happens. I remember that. 2290 01:28:19,540 --> 01:28:21,500 I remember the start of my career and just being like, 2291 01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:23,400 obviously you're timid, so I just accepted it. 2292 01:28:23,410 --> 01:28:25,700 But I was really annoyed at like I could see the scam. 2293 01:28:25,710 --> 01:28:27,460 Straight away, no matter what you did, even if it was 2294 01:28:27,470 --> 01:28:29,660 performance related, you could have been absolutely fantastic. 2295 01:28:29,670 --> 01:28:31,450 Well, you're an IT so half pace car. 2296 01:28:31,460 --> 01:28:33,700 Yeah, the rule was I remember, I remember, I actually remember 2297 01:28:33,710 --> 01:28:35,580 this so vividly. I remember speaking to the head 2298 01:28:35,650 --> 01:28:38,670 and and I literally dead. Ohh, this does this can't be 2299 01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,610 right because I'm only like I've done my performance appraisal. 2300 01:28:41,620 --> 01:28:43,970 Everything's been fine in my 2 year, but I'm only going up from 2301 01:28:43,980 --> 01:28:46,730 .1 to .2 on our 12 point. System which was seen as one 2302 01:28:46,740 --> 01:28:49,110 point was seen as like you didn't quite meet your targets. 2303 01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:52,300 2 was good and there was always scope to go 3 which was more 2304 01:28:52,310 --> 01:28:54,180 than you would point and half. No one ever went up three, 2305 01:28:54,190 --> 01:28:55,750 right? It was either two or they could 2306 01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,250 justify giving. You less unless you were coming 2307 01:28:57,260 --> 01:28:59,520 and they keep you, but so I went. 2308 01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:01,780 Wait, I'm quitting. I can suddenly got 7. 2309 01:29:01,790 --> 01:29:05,130 People, so I went up. Obviously you were on the same 2310 01:29:05,140 --> 01:29:08,830 111 point, which is half a real pay after my first year of 2311 01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,040 teaching, the most gruelling year of teaching as well. 2312 01:29:11,330 --> 01:29:15,060 And and and and and the response I got, I remember being so like 2313 01:29:15,070 --> 01:29:17,690 harshly, like, no, it's it's just no, that's the rule here. 2314 01:29:18,460 --> 01:29:19,580 That's the rule. NQT. 2315 01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:20,840 No, no, no. NQT's can't go. 2316 01:29:20,850 --> 01:29:23,020 You're on TV. The rule is NTN got one. 2317 01:29:23,030 --> 01:29:24,570 Do you know who made that rule? Hmm. 2318 01:29:24,580 --> 01:29:26,280 Do you? Know you you you made that, 2319 01:29:26,290 --> 01:29:27,960 could you, could you not make that role? 2320 01:29:27,970 --> 01:29:30,100 Cause now I feel undervalued after a year when I know that in 2321 01:29:30,110 --> 01:29:31,360 any other. That's the role, sorry. 2322 01:29:31,370 --> 01:29:33,260 Can't do an Academy. I would actually just get paid 2323 01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:34,480 up the next. Time scale. 2324 01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:36,870 That would work if you were in a local authority school where 2325 01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:39,600 they had to follow the rules, the person making the rules to 2326 01:29:39,610 --> 01:29:42,640 turn around and that shows the rule that you've decided to save 2327 01:29:42,650 --> 01:29:44,250 money so that you can have a six figure salary. 2328 01:29:44,260 --> 01:29:45,770 Well done. I'd love to do a whole episode 2329 01:29:45,780 --> 01:29:47,000 on Academy. So if you're listening to this 2330 01:29:47,010 --> 01:29:48,870 and you work in an Academy and you've got some mental stories 2331 01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:50,460 of how they just changed the rules and make your life 2332 01:29:50,470 --> 01:29:52,480 considerably worse than if you just went down the road and 2333 01:29:52,490 --> 01:29:54,720 worked at a local authority school, please let us know 2334 01:29:54,730 --> 01:29:55,910 because I'd love to do an episode. 2335 01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:58,750 On it like if only we had two people here, moved from a 2336 01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,620 horrendous Academy to a local authority school and I was this 2337 01:30:01,630 --> 01:30:03,170 yeah, we definitely need your advice. 2338 01:30:03,180 --> 01:30:04,360 On that, loads of people have stories in the. 2339 01:30:04,370 --> 01:30:08,070 Same week everyone I trained with and worked with in that 2340 01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:09,530 kind of happened is no longer works. 2341 01:30:09,540 --> 01:30:11,690 With no one will, their attention is 0. 2342 01:30:11,700 --> 01:30:13,090 Percent, yeah, doesn't matter to save money. 2343 01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:16,440 Anyway, yeah, so Academy is going back to the point 2344 01:30:16,450 --> 01:30:19,500 academies don't have to do any of this, which is the burning 2345 01:30:19,510 --> 01:30:21,320 hole because thousands of schools in the UK are already 2346 01:30:21,330 --> 01:30:24,380 academies after the massive push about five years ago by the 2347 01:30:24,390 --> 01:30:26,700 government to say that all schools will be academies by 2348 01:30:26,710 --> 01:30:29,420 2020 or whatever it was. And and then obviously, loads of 2349 01:30:29,430 --> 01:30:31,340 schools panicked and quickly became academies when they 2350 01:30:31,350 --> 01:30:33,260 didn't have to because that got scrapped immediately. 2351 01:30:33,790 --> 01:30:36,640 Guys, the answer is the free market isn't always the best 2352 01:30:36,650 --> 01:30:38,140 thing, OK? And when it comes to our 2353 01:30:38,150 --> 01:30:40,500 children's education and the well-being of people, let's not 2354 01:30:40,510 --> 01:30:42,040 throw that to the free market. Brexit. 2355 01:30:42,090 --> 01:30:45,800 The reason I became a teacher is because I did work experience 2356 01:30:45,810 --> 01:30:49,120 week in a recruitment company in London and it was absolutely 2357 01:30:49,130 --> 01:30:50,920 horrific. Cut throat became a teacher to 2358 01:30:50,930 --> 01:30:53,700 make a difference, be good at my job and help children. 2359 01:30:53,950 --> 01:30:56,720 It's evolving lots of schools into the same kind of cut throat 2360 01:30:56,730 --> 01:30:58,340 industry where you get toxic buses. 2361 01:30:58,410 --> 01:31:00,800 It's a business, it's not. It's children's livelihoods. 2362 01:31:00,850 --> 01:31:03,180 Children should get what exactly what they need at all points, 2363 01:31:03,350 --> 01:31:05,860 whatever that is, and it's broken right now. 2364 01:31:06,090 --> 01:31:08,060 General election year. Let's see what happens, shall. 2365 01:31:08,070 --> 01:31:10,640 We crikey this has been a really long. 2366 01:31:10,650 --> 01:31:11,580 Episode. I've really enjoyed it. 2367 01:31:11,590 --> 01:31:13,150 Though I've enjoyed it, I really enjoyed it. 2368 01:31:14,530 --> 01:31:16,330 Three of us let us know so we can ignore you. 2369 01:31:17,970 --> 01:31:19,100 I was waiting to make the same joke. 2370 01:31:19,110 --> 01:31:20,280 You did it for me. You did it. 2371 01:31:20,290 --> 01:31:22,260 For me, I actually would like to because sometimes sometimes we 2372 01:31:22,270 --> 01:31:24,300 say things and maybe our opinions are based on our own 2373 01:31:24,310 --> 01:31:26,530 experiences or we just don't know the full extent and it is 2374 01:31:26,540 --> 01:31:28,790 good to learn. So if you have an alternative 2375 01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,500 opinion on any of those points, do let us know and if actually 2376 01:31:31,510 --> 01:31:34,480 we'll review it if if we've challenged. 2377 01:31:34,630 --> 01:31:38,260 And maybe I'll check my emails. Yeah, someone on Instagram. 2378 01:31:38,330 --> 01:31:40,160 Kizzy, I know you listen. You've got this far. 2379 01:31:40,170 --> 01:31:43,670 Hey Kizzy, I've just remembered now because she sent a message 2380 01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:45,770 after the last episode saying really enjoyable. 2381 01:31:45,780 --> 01:31:47,400 I've got a lot of points to make about this. 2382 01:31:47,500 --> 01:31:49,880 It might be an e-mail and I'm really scared. 2383 01:31:49,890 --> 01:31:51,510 She's emailed us and I've just not seen it. 2384 01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:53,390 Ohh, no. So Kizzy, you've got this point. 2385 01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,010 I will check my emails, I promise you. 2386 01:31:55,300 --> 01:31:56,910 But I love getting messages from people. 2387 01:31:56,980 --> 01:31:59,110 And what's great now about the Instagram, I think we're over 2388 01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:02,490 2000 followers now. Instagram is, you know, polls 2389 01:32:02,500 --> 01:32:05,850 and questions and messages. It seems to be every day we're 2390 01:32:05,860 --> 01:32:07,280 getting stuff in there which is really, really. 2391 01:32:07,290 --> 01:32:08,010 Good. More ammo. 2392 01:32:08,060 --> 01:32:09,710 Exactly. And I love it and thank you for 2393 01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:11,850 taking part in those polls and things that I post. 2394 01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:14,610 And I hope you enjoy the memes that we make as well. 2395 01:32:15,020 --> 01:32:17,850 So yeah, I really enjoyed that. Let's do a very, very quick 2396 01:32:17,930 --> 01:32:22,100 single and then we'll sign off. Welcome back. 2397 01:32:22,110 --> 01:32:24,970 Thank you for joining us for this long and we will see you 2398 01:32:24,980 --> 01:32:25,840 next week. Bye. 2399 01:32:26,150 --> 01:32:27,440 Thanks guys. Thanks for waiting.