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Well, lucky listeners. 
Have we got a treat for you 

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today? 
We've got our first caller in 

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Gary gum on from Crawley. 
Hi Gary. 

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Thanks for calling it to the 
show. 

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How are you? 
I'll be honest. 

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Ellen, I don't normally listen, 
but I'm currently disgusted at. 

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What used to Sir promoting to 
your woky Lefty fans? 

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Oh yes, girls that then what we 
promoting as if you don't know, 

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you looked as bad as a bloody 
nurses. 

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I think it's absolutely 
appalling. 

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That you have got the nerve to 
go on strike again. 

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You got your They offer, what 
more do you greedy? 

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Not one Burger. 
You know, some people would 

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argue, there's a lot more to it 
than just that you have a 

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monkey's to be like stealing, 
the Kings coronation is coming 

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up. 
We're supposed to be enjoying 

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this time and now I've got 
occupy my son Malcolm oh for 

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another day right on the lead-up
to use year, six sets, because 

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you lot are too selfish to 
consider that Anya. 

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Oh Gary, what do you say to you?
Perhaps the king could move his 

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bank holiday, which happens to 
take place on a day on the 

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actual week of the Satchel 
talking about your honestly, It 

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just you disgusting. 
How dare you insult our King 

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like that? 
Do you do you not think we can 

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take one day out to come 
together as a country for an 

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important event? 
Or is that too right wing for 

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you know Gary Gary I guess 
you're you're maybe right there.

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Maybe you do have a point and 
the Kings coronation is actually

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far more important than saving 
our failing education system. 

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Making sure that teachers are 
professionals can actually keep 

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up with inflation and can afford
to heat their homes. 

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I truly believe that wearing red
white and blue for a whole day 

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is far more important. 
Other than that and how dare we 

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be striking? 
God, Save the King. 

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Hello everyone. 
Welcome back to another episode 

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of teach sleep. 
Repeat, my name is Dylan and my 

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name is Hayden, and I'm quite 
pleased to interrupt me this 

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week. 
Aiden, thank you. 

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I was tempted. 
I must admit. 

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Well, you know what the script 
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and I'm really conscious of it. 
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I'll try some, some kind of 
different introduction than what

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it is. 
Now you know how I felt when 

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people you know, mocking the way
I said my name back in episode 1

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back in the day. 
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about then Back when TVs are 
black and white, it's crazy. 

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The single digits with it before
you are double digits in a 

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scientist. 
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just made me think of this very 
quickly, very, really odd 

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tangent that we're going on, 
literally seconds into the 

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podcast. 
Did you ever have those select 

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quiz things? 
You believe when you're younger,

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because you're a child and no 
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I got to about 9 or 10 years old
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actual world wasn't black and 
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I thought the the actual planet 
with if Don was black and white 

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until that the 40s or 50s and 
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happened. 
When gotta record eyes, I can't 

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think of any good ones now, but 
I know for a fact that they were

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tons of those sorts of things, 
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these things. 
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that you thought that thing for 
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But I can't think any good 
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me, I will just blurt them in 
this podcast to blurt them out. 

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And maybe we can ask people at 
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that because it's such a common 
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Like it almost is almost on par 
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children. 
I know it's a joke but they 

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genuinely don't think that 
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school, might be is no one's 
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You know, when they see that 
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actually one of the things that 
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for me. 
I remember being in your to, and

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having my world blown, when I 
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but I really genuinely believe 
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Attic of the school. 
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this, like, you know, the 
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rules, where you can just push 
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Obviously, she'd always say 
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And then when I found out that 
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Remember, we are raising a whole
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believe that we're cousins. 
So, you know, they will believe,

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whatever still happens. 
Every now and then someone says,

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I was your cousin to admit it. 
So your brother. 

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I know they're talking about 
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after halftime, and we actually 
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the halftime. 
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me, you're like, oh we could 
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oh we could have, but we love 
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here. 
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obviously, we don't record it on
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That would be ludicrous. 
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morning. 
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evening. 
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how you feeling? 
Hey, Mark, you know what? 

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I'm exhausted. 
I'm exhausted. 

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It's be threat. 
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If you're listening, please 
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not just me. 
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have a week off or two weeks 
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I, it takes me like a week to 
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working working full time at 
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It's just so exhausting, do you 
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Yeah, it's weird, isn't it? 
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of comment on this, but I feel 
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I think the first week back is 
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doesn't it? 
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I really hit my groove week. 2 
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of slides. 
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it? 
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to this who have four weeks off 
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with director time. 
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justify how much work we do. 
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time off in. 
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But it, you know it's about 
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When I like, oh god, he has been
which had two weeks off my three

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It's like, but it's true. 
It's just so intense. 

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Isn't it scoffs? 
I get my voice like my throat 

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hurts? 
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That always happens to me in 
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day or two, really really sore 
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And I think it's just from you, 
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You talk loudly a lot at school 
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like you don't do that outside. 
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normally You go back to just 
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to lots of people. 
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It's so true that you know what,
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teacher is twice as loud as any 
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said to the children because we 
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before about how personally, I 
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I don't like bellowing at the 
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I've always had this weird thing
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old like old say old person. 
I'm not that old imposing 

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adults. 
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I want to have one. 
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absolutely bellowing constantly 
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I just feel uncomfortable with 
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the children is look, I don't 
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Whenever I have to complain 
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don't like complaining. 
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voice, it's for safety. 
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them. 
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to them because they were doing 
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And you know what children are 
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up to the front is so Oh sweet. 
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standing at the front of the 
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they've written to their peers. 
That's enough for me. 

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I'm like cool. 
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Mumble into your page, all you 
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are in terms of your public 
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of saying can you imagine 
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Like I'm speaking now sat at the
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dinner like it's completely 
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front, you use your normal 
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more soft because you just turn 
you just tell me you mates like 

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this, but listen to what I'm 
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Making sure my voice fills this 
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how a natural voice when you're 
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really loud. 
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actually anyone's this thing. 
Anyone, any teachers will know 

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this children constantly pretty 
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quite in them down and it was 
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That's just a common thing. 
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at the front of the class, and 
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you speak up, please? 
It's not loud enough, 100% of 

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the time. 
I'm, they will net. 

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They will not increase the 
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I've never ever, ever actually 
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yeah, sorry, I'll be louder now.
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They don't do it. 
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They're not. 
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Carry on reading. 
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You might, you might want to be 
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normal the best of it. 
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is they'll just lower their book
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it's happening. 
Same couldn't hear it. 

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Come here. 
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I'm like, what? 
Sorry Connie. 

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I'll bless them. 
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first week back it's just, it's 
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I felt really good actually 
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When you see your class again, 
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break, I absolutely love it 
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to see them. 
That's the first thing. 

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But also they're just full of 
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They come in, they're making 
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There's just so many funny 
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the cuff, when they're just 
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first time and they're just 
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Cool. 
Trying to make you laugh. 

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And I just, I just love it. 
And when it got to Wednesday, 

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which is obviously today, 
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that people always take the mick
out as about is because we start

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working on Wednesday. 
And I know we walk around God. 

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I'm knackered and they're like, 
yes I've got two more days of 

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this and already how long's it 
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three days later I think a year 
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carrying on and again people 
listening to this or a teacher's

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more than likely very, sorry 
it's Friday for you and you've 

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got your last day but it's just 
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You just fit what you're used to
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Like I've kind of realized that 
you know whatever you're doing 

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at that time. 
You just like you will fit your 

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mind or just become exhausted by
the end of it. 

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I think, with Dylan's trying to 
say to anyone, listening is. 

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Yeah, it's Friday. 
You're on your way to work. 

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We're not, we are sat home feet 
up, probably most likely Dylan 

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Only thinking about you guys and
how you're doing is not we 

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having today. 
Actually, we're probably still 

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in bed, I'll be honest with you,
so, yeah. 

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You know, it's tough doing three
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We find it really tough. 
But enjoy your work Copy, Stop 

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it. 
Those are those that audience 

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size is going to shrink after 
that. 

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But I tell you what, it's a good
chance if you're listening to 

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this and it is ATM on the 
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If there is a good chance, I 
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the beat and just crying over 
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So, Hayden, I'm gonna ask you a 
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What is teacher training really 
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Wouldn't so teacher training. 

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It's not an easy year. 

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pgce and yeah, I got a few funny
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clarify Hayden and I went to 
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I study history you studied film

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radio and television. 
So putting that to good use here

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the podcast. 
Really? 

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status as well, but it's just, I
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giving that kind of insight into
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There. 
It's really intense and what 

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really interests me is as two 
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kind of fresh. 
We just worked a supermarket it.

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loved it. 
Dedicated all the time to, it 

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didn't mind putting weekend time
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passion. 
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understand how much work this 
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Now, it's laughable, is to 

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profession telling you. 
No no you need to slow down 

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you're going to burn out like 
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In this new thing SRT of 
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Where, you know, all we've got 
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some marks into an Excel sheet, 
what's so bad about that? 

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If you're training to be a 

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And that's such a such a really 
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wish I could tell myself that if
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you'd want to tell yourself if 
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And just think just do this 
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Aw, it's a tough one. 
I think I don't know. 

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II got really obsessed, really 
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don't know, I don't know where I
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do you mean like specific? 
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subject knowledge, which is 
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I don't know why I can't really 
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your career where you change 
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you change topics, you change 
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You do different things. 
All the time, you're constantly 

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just learning and then teaching 
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Just no all of it beforehand. 
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up on these things. 
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like know this thing has told 
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I need to know the parts of a 
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I need to know the model plant. 
I have it on my wall, I'll earn 

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a part of my plan and I also 
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geography thing. 
I have to know. 

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This is told me that I've got to
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The course. 
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like God, so naive like that was
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topics. 
I've now, since taught, you 

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know, it's just so silly. 
Like, just chill out. 

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Like you said, I didn't need to 
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stuff. 
What I needed to focus on was 

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the pedagogy, which Still think 
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Good advice for people. 
The important stuff was that 

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this is how you teach this is 
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works. 
These are the different ways 

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that children's brains will 
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You need to understand all of 
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a moment and be adaptable to a 
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can provide the best learning 
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Child that for me, like oh wait,
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all this random subject 
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cool. 
The subject knowledge is almost 

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like I'll learn that when I need
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It's fine. 
Okay, we'll pick that up. 

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I would just draw it very 
quickly. 

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I think, maybe you probably 
think the same thing, but there 

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are certain subjects on a job 
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pedagogy I'm asking English, you
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thinking, like, the plot, the 
plant stuff. 

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Yeah, of course, like mean 
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Knowing that like that the names
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that point, the, the names of 
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I put that on the same level as 
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how the brain works. 
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Safeguarding. 
And Yeah, it's just that. 

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If I could go back, I built it 
right? 

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Just chill out. 
Go. 

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And actually have an hour to 
yourself for a start. 

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Just forget about that stuff and
how you can learn that later. 

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Okay. 
If you got a topic coming out 

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about plants, learn it. 
Then you'll be fine. 

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But right now, have an hour off 
and then focus on the, you know,

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the more important stuff about 
how teaching actually works. 

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The bits that you really need to
know to be a good teacher. 

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So in terms of teacher training,
okay? 

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This is something we've touched 
on before, but I really want to 

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dive deeper into this now, if 
you were to break up teacher 

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training, Get into time at 
University time in school. 

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Yeah, time studying pedagogy 
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outside of University and 
outside of school and literal 

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just throwing yourself into the 
community of the school, talking

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to teachers, listening to them, 
chatting to them. 

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Informally, how would you rank 
them in terms of you personally,

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how much you feel they mold you 
into a good to? 

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Yeah, that's a really good 
question. 

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So I reckon people give 
different answers to this one. 

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So for me and I think you might 
agree with this first part the 

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most valuable part of teacher 
training. 

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I don't know if this does this 
count, correct me if I'm wrong, 

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but it was the bit just after 
teacher training when I was 

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00:20:26,300 --> 00:20:28,900
dumped in a school. 
And it was like that's your 

455
00:20:28,900 --> 00:20:30,500
responsibility now. 
But if I'm going back a 

456
00:20:30,508 --> 00:20:32,300
statement, let's say that b not 
included because like, I 

457
00:20:32,308 --> 00:20:33,800
technically have qualified by 
that point. 

458
00:20:34,100 --> 00:20:36,300
Yes, your most valuable part was
the placements. 

459
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:41,600
So, being in school was like, by
far for me that I did the most 

460
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,500
learning. 
Experience I had and I would put

461
00:20:43,500 --> 00:20:47,300
s the pedagogy stuff. 
I personally really enjoyed 

462
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,200
learning about like, you know, 
all the psychologists that come 

463
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,200
up for our course and learning 
about that how this all works, 

464
00:20:53,500 --> 00:20:57,200
why stuff works, why we do 
certain things in schools and 

465
00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,200
also more importantly, I found 
the things to avoid. 

466
00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:02,800
There's a lot of natural things,
I think that people would do, 

467
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,100
and if someone random came into 
into the classroom, and I said, 

468
00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:07,800
they never taught anything 
before and I said, go on, teach 

469
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,700
this subject are, they probably 
do a bunch of things that sit 

470
00:21:10,700 --> 00:21:12,100
there be like. 
Clear. 

471
00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:15,000
Don't know this little bit and 
I'd be thinking of some pedagogy

472
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,100
that I learned. 
I think it's really important. 

473
00:21:17,900 --> 00:21:20,800
I know other people might not 
value it as much, but no, I 

474
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,900
think it's because there's got 
to be something that separates 

475
00:21:22,900 --> 00:21:26,000
us as professionals, right? 
Because realistically that's 

476
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,600
strip it back. 
You talked about subject 

477
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,100
knowledge, right? 
You don't need to know 

478
00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:31,600
everything off the top of your 
head for certain subjects, but 

479
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,700
there are certain things in 
terms of math and English, we do

480
00:21:33,700 --> 00:21:36,500
whatever. 
But my point here is that nearly

481
00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:39,800
at, you know, every single adult
in the professional world would 

482
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,700
be able to teach themselves to 
stuff that we're teaching these 

483
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,900
That your odds, right? 
We're in half an hour 

484
00:21:43,900 --> 00:21:46,300
beforehand, so yeah, that that 
you're absolutely right to me. 

485
00:21:46,300 --> 00:21:47,900
That's irrelevant. 
That is genuinely almost 

486
00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:50,000
irrelevant because cool. 
If I'm expecting an 

487
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,100
eight-year-old to cross this, 
then I can still be a specialist

488
00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:53,900
in certain things, but there's 
other stuff, which I can just 

489
00:21:53,900 --> 00:21:56,100
pick up, Average, Joe can pick 
them up. 

490
00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:58,400
There's got to be something that
kind of separates us as a 

491
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,800
profession and I think that 
pedagogy is a huge part of that.

492
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,000
It's like, you know, but I think
also experience is a huge part 

493
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,000
of that because you can be book 
smart when it comes to teaching,

494
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,700
right the zone of proximal 
development vygotsky. 

495
00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:14,800
It was brilliant on paper and as
I cool, well, essentially boiled

496
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,200
down to was you need to 
challenge the children enough 

497
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,900
that they're going to make 
progress, but not enough that 

498
00:22:19,900 --> 00:22:21,500
they're switched off and they 
can't access it. 

499
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,600
Like that's basically what it 
boiled down to which made sense,

500
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,500
and it was brilliant to sit 
there and learn on these things.

501
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:31,500
But I would say, from my 
teaching experience working with

502
00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:37,800
the children and equally if not 
more having unbelievable 

503
00:22:37,900 --> 00:22:44,000
teachers to watch to learn from.
And to actually get insight from

504
00:22:44,300 --> 00:22:47,300
and for me to be able to say and
I've said it before, I know she 

505
00:22:47,300 --> 00:22:49,000
listens to the podcast and I'm 
going to name drop. 

506
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,500
You don't have Donna. 
Donna, name-drop you Fran. 

507
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,600
I don't to make you feel cold 
air. 

508
00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:56,600
And but I always say the same 
thing. 

509
00:22:56,700 --> 00:23:00,900
I walked in first date each 
training there, I remember it 

510
00:23:00,900 --> 00:23:03,700
vividly because it was that 
moment where I thought, I think 

511
00:23:03,700 --> 00:23:06,400
I'm in the right job. 
I walked in teacher training, 

512
00:23:06,500 --> 00:23:10,400
walked around the corner. 
Fran that's my teacher who I did

513
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,900
my first placement with. 
Handing out, lab coats and City 

514
00:23:13,900 --> 00:23:16,400
goggles because her class that 
morning were doing a class 

515
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,100
assembly. 
And just watching the way she 

516
00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:21,900
was with the children, the 
Comanche had over them whilst 

517
00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:24,500
not being stressy, not being 
horrible, being lovely. 

518
00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:26,800
And then, as weeks went on 
watching her teacher and deliver

519
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,800
these lessons to different 
varying abilities. 

520
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,500
Knowing the children Inside Out 
building, the bonds with them, 

521
00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:35,900
seeing how that all built 
together to this huge massive, 

522
00:23:35,900 --> 00:23:40,000
like thing, with all these 
moving parts that inspired me, 

523
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,800
like as a as a teacher, I Take 
that as number one, like above 

524
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,600
everything of me just going in 
the classroom, watching an 

525
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,500
expert learning from an expert 
and then practicing at myself. 

526
00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:53,400
I put that way above uni and I 
think a lot of teachers do the 

527
00:23:53,408 --> 00:23:57,400
same thing because at University
whilst it was fantastic. 

528
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,400
And I did maths as my specialism
as you know Hayden because I'm a

529
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,400
specialist and you are, I don't 
know. 

530
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,000
I just have an education. 
Carry on. 

531
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,600
Okay, cool. 
It was it maps to shut up. 

532
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,300
Yeah. 
Anyway, but the point is, Some 

533
00:24:12,300 --> 00:24:16,600
fantastic stuff in University 
but also I'm not gonna lie. 

534
00:24:16,900 --> 00:24:20,500
Sometimes we go to Art 
University and we would just do 

535
00:24:20,500 --> 00:24:22,100
an art lesson. 
Like I'm not joking. 

536
00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:25,100
Like we get the lecturer who had
talked for ten minutes about 

537
00:24:25,100 --> 00:24:26,400
what not lesson might be about. 
Cool. 

538
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,100
Can you make a tortoise out of 
paper mache? 

539
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,600
And I'm like, well, I gotta, but
is this the best use of my time 

540
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:34,900
right now? 
I thought, you know, this still 

541
00:24:34,900 --> 00:24:37,900
the same you've literally, like,
not ruined but hilarious. 

542
00:24:37,900 --> 00:24:40,300
The kind of told a story that I 
was going to tell. 

543
00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:42,500
I had it written down. 
I'm gonna tell This was a funny 

544
00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:45,000
part of my teacher training was 
rdt. 

545
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,200
I went to my it was like the one
rdt session we got, because the 

546
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,500
pgce was so cramped. 
Yes, he Stone different subjects

547
00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:54,000
and a lot of it was actual 
practice, which is the best 

548
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,400
thing. 
Like it was, it was put that 

549
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,600
way, which is good. 
But yeah, like you said this one

550
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,600
session, I didn't really feel 
like I learn anything about 

551
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,600
teaching whatsoever that I just 
had to make. 

552
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,300
I just basically turn myself 
into a massive elephant 

553
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,800
somewhere. 
I will find this picture for 

554
00:25:07,808 --> 00:25:09,000
you. 
I also had hair so that would be

555
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,000
more fun. 
There's a picture of me with 

556
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,000
hair before I Shave. 
My head dressed up as an 

557
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,700
elephant and that's all I did in
that two hour session on my 

558
00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:18,300
team. 
My BGC, I didn't, I don't 

559
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,800
honestly, I don't think I 
learned a thing, but I had fun 

560
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,600
making an elephant. 
It was really good, fun. 

561
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,600
It was really good fun, but 
that's not the point. 

562
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,900
The point is actually, you know 
what, we've only got a year and 

563
00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:32,200
I think just in terms of teacher
training, my goodness, get 

564
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,400
yourselves watching some amazing
teachers, because still to this 

565
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,900
day, I find it the most valuable
thing, as a teacher to go and 

566
00:25:39,900 --> 00:25:41,600
see someone else doing and be 
like, wow. 

567
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,100
That was a, that was so good. 
And then I get excited. 

568
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:46,900
I get excited. 
Then to go back to my children 

569
00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:50,000
and try the same thing. 
And I think the number one thing

570
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,800
that helped me. 
Personally, again in teacher 

571
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:58,100
training, another reflection is 
just jumping diving head first 

572
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,500
because it's scary at first. 
I remember the first time I went

573
00:26:02,500 --> 00:26:05,000
into a school before my official
teacher training, when I was 

574
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,200
just going in to observe just to
see if I'd like to the school 

575
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,200
environment. 
If it's what I wanted to do, the

576
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,300
teacher asked me to read a story
to the children. 

577
00:26:11,900 --> 00:26:18,200
And I said no, I was so scared. 
I was so nervous and it's absurd

578
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,000
to me at this point to think 
that it's nerve-wracking but it 

579
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,700
is but all I can say is if 
you're going to teach training 

580
00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:26,100
or in fact, any kind of job 
where you're bit nervous, just 

581
00:26:26,100 --> 00:26:29,300
dive headfirst give it your best
shot because actually in five 

582
00:26:29,300 --> 00:26:31,400
years, time, 10 years time, when
you look back, you'll be 

583
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,800
laughing at yourself because the
idea of be getting nervous 

584
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,600
reading a story to the children.
Now, it's just crazy. 

585
00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:39,600
And I'm sure Hayden, if someone 
asks you your teacher training 

586
00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:42,200
to pretend to blow a blow dryer,
one of the Because I didn't know

587
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,600
what I'm saying. 
I mean you'd be so nervous. 

588
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,000
Well, I would have been like yes
please. 

589
00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:48,900
I would have been really nervous
and I was I just just to jump in

590
00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:51,900
on that. 
I was also a for a long time. 

591
00:26:51,900 --> 00:26:54,000
To be honest. 
If you really, really, really 

592
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,500
nervous about being in front of 
the kids. 

593
00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:59,700
I even into my actual, like 
first job, I still had that 

594
00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:02,800
proper nerve of like, oh my God,
like, I'm actually gonna be in 

595
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,900
front of this class, I'd say 
throughout my in QT. 

596
00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:08,400
Yeah, that's the, you know, it 
went throughout that year, but 

597
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,900
it definitely wasn't instant, 
like, it took me a long time and

598
00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:14,400
I was totally He faking the 
confidence for ages and then it 

599
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,100
just you know it did just become
natural like you said with 

600
00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:19,200
anything you do in life honestly
just after a bit of time and you

601
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,400
just it just you know it doesn't
become as nerve-racking. 

602
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,900
I'm going to jump back to 
teacher training again because 

603
00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:27,700
one thing I thought about was 
you were talking was and you 

604
00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:30,800
mentioned mass and obviously 
what you know math we're bit 

605
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,400
biased towards Mass. 
We both like maths is our 

606
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,700
subject? 
You did a mass specialism and 

607
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:37,300
it's always been a passion of 
mine as well and a. 

608
00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:42,600
But I found that I learned so 
much about Teaching and how to 

609
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,400
teach through my mass training 
and and it was almost kind of 

610
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,500
applicable to all the other 
subjects as well, but I felt 

611
00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:52,800
like Mass was the core of me. 
Like I understood so much about 

612
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,100
how to present things to 
children in a way that they 

613
00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:57,800
actually understand it. 
How and how different that is to

614
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,700
how you present it to it. 
Someone has our age and how you 

615
00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:03,800
actually have to consider that 
in teaching but you can't just 

616
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,000
that's why. 
I'll, you know, I'm the guy that

617
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,300
analogy about if I think if I 
just took a friend in to the 

618
00:28:07,308 --> 00:28:10,100
classroom and ask them to teach 
the same a subjective, I think 

619
00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:12,400
it would just be hilariously bad
quite Naturally because I don't 

620
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,700
think the average person has any
understanding or doesn't have 

621
00:28:15,700 --> 00:28:17,500
much understanding I shouldn't 
insult. 

622
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:18,600
Everyone. 
No, no, but you're right. 

623
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,200
Have too much understanding of 
the pedagogy behind it and I 

624
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,900
learnt so much of that pedagogy.
And I come to so many 

625
00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:30,000
realizations when I was in those
Mass lectures and learning about

626
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,100
like, no, no, you should present
it like this because then you 

627
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:33,900
can take this child on this 
journey. 

628
00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:35,500
And this is going to make these 
Connections in their mind 

629
00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:38,100
because they don't have anything
to build on you're creating this

630
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:40,200
knowledge for them. 
Oh man. 

631
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,500
I just I yeah, my mind was 
always blown in those math 

632
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:44,500
sessions. 
I hugely values. 

633
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:46,800
Those ones, but you are right, 
there has to be something that 

634
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,300
separates us as a professional 
to someone who just knows how to

635
00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:52,100
add numbers, but there has to be
something there. 

636
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,100
Elsewhere, not teachers, we're 
just regurgitating. 

637
00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:55,600
What degree would be, pointless,
otherwise wouldn't it? 

638
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:56,900
Yeah, exactly that. 
Exactly. 

639
00:28:56,900 --> 00:28:59,000
That, you know, I know most of 
the degree is just practicing 

640
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,400
it, but there has to be some 
kind of differentiation. 

641
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,500
And that's what we're good at. 
And I remember having a 

642
00:29:03,508 --> 00:29:07,500
conversation with one of my 
friends actually, About this who

643
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:10,100
kind of scoffed at the idea 
wasn't being rude or anything 

644
00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:13,500
but that and another one of 
their teacher friends had said 

645
00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:16,700
that they didn't know anything 
about. 

646
00:29:17,300 --> 00:29:18,900
I think it was ancient. 
It's something to of ancient 

647
00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:22,600
Egypt or something like that 
along those lines of history and

648
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,000
they kind of scoff did it to me.
I was like, can you can you 

649
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,100
believe this teacher? 
This teacher said they didn't 

650
00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:30,100
know about ancient Greek and 
they teach it in a year. 

651
00:29:30,100 --> 00:29:31,100
They didn't know anything about 
it. 

652
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:33,100
Like, that's crazy. 
And I was just actually like, 

653
00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:36,400
well, it depends and there. 
Like what they didn't know 

654
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,800
anything about it and I was and 
then their teacher friend had 

655
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,700
said to them and Justified it by
saying no I don't but, you know,

656
00:29:42,700 --> 00:29:46,500
my jobs more about learning how 
to teach and then I can apply 

657
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:49,500
that to almost anything and I 
think that's the core thing to 

658
00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:52,300
get out of your teaching year is
actually, you are learning to be

659
00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:54,800
a teacher. 
You are not learning things 

660
00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:56,500
else. 
You just be getting a degree in 

661
00:29:56,500 --> 00:29:59,100
history or a degree in math or 
something like that. 

662
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,100
You have to be learning how to 
teach. 

663
00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:04,800
And then when you learn how to 
teach, I think I have got a lot 

664
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,000
better. 
Being able to get a point across

665
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,400
simplified and, you know, that 
helps when I talk to adults or I

666
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,200
discuss or debate something, you
know, when I get embroiled in a 

667
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,900
pilot political debate, I feel 
because of my teaching degree in

668
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:23,100
my profession that I'm able to 
get a point across more 

669
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:26,100
succinctly. 
Let's say and that helps me to 

670
00:30:26,108 --> 00:30:28,900
get my point across and really 
dive deep into something. 

671
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:32,500
And what I feel like I'm good at
as well as another thing that is

672
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:35,000
a result of learning how to be a
teacher and being at school. 

673
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,500
Is taking what is a 200-page 
national curriculum and being 

674
00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:42,500
able to kind of summarize what 
it means in a professional 

675
00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:46,000
discussion with our peers. 
You know that that's yeah that's

676
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,700
something that, you know, the 
skills are really big part of 

677
00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:52,600
teacher training, in my opinion.
And I think you've made a really

678
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,400
good point there. 
About subject knowledge being 

679
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:59,300
vital in some degrees but just 
to chill out a bit in others 

680
00:30:59,300 --> 00:31:04,300
because as a teacher, I think I 
could teach nearly anything. 

681
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,400
To nearly any one given the 
amount of time for me to take in

682
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,400
information myself. 
So, I've actually got up here, 

683
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,700
the Teaching Standards. 
Now for those that are 

684
00:31:15,700 --> 00:31:18,400
listening, if this is something 
you've planned and because 

685
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:24,100
you're looking very, I'm so 
angry, like, in a really funny 

686
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:25,300
way. 
Like when you say what, cause 

687
00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:27,300
you look like you've planned. 
So, I got this up on a whim. 

688
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,900
You look like your plans is it. 
I was going to lead into a 

689
00:31:30,908 --> 00:31:33,900
discussion here about how we are
judged on the teacher standards,

690
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,500
right? 
And I was going Quiz you on how 

691
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:37,000
many of the eight you could 
remember. 

692
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,400
I wish you had now because I've 
got the map in front of me, so 

693
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,800
I've got, I've got a challenge 
if you don't mind then with the 

694
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,100
teacher standards, right? 
And what we do is, I'm just 

695
00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:47,300
going to quickly go through them
because we did actually mention 

696
00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:50,300
them in a previous video when we
were talking about like, teacher

697
00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:52,000
pay. 
And we were talking about 

698
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,800
teacher hours and all that sort 
of stuff, right? 

699
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:54,800
So go back and listen to 
episode. 

700
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,100
If you're interested in how 
teacher pay and holiday and all 

701
00:31:57,108 --> 00:31:59,600
that stuff works. 
And how many hours we really do 

702
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,700
do across the year. 
And one of the things I 

703
00:32:01,700 --> 00:32:05,500
mentioned was his teacher 
standards because It's a weird 

704
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:09,600
job where we are only paid for a
certain amount of hours, which 

705
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,700
we call our director time. 
But actually, there are way more

706
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:14,900
jobs to do that, you can't 
physically fit in that director 

707
00:32:14,900 --> 00:32:16,800
time. 
So we have, this is this wider 

708
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,300
net, which is called the teacher
standards and we have to meet 

709
00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:22,800
these teacher standards. 
If we don't meet these teacher 

710
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,800
standards, then we will be 
fired. 

711
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,400
I'm just kidding. 
But if we have to meet these, 

712
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,800
They just added as part of our 
role. 

713
00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:29,900
So the first there's eight of 
them. 

714
00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:31,800
I'm going to I'm going to read 
them out to you very quickly and

715
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,400
then I'm going to ask you you 
Dylan and it will be A hard one 

716
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,600
to do. 
I want you to pick one. 

717
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:45,000
The one teacher standard that 
you think is the most important 

718
00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:48,600
or this is already going to be 
horrendous lead. 

719
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,000
It's obviously to be hard 
because they're all really 

720
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,900
important as you listen to, 
hopefully understand. 

721
00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:54,200
These are really important 
standards, but I think, and then

722
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,600
reason I've asked you this 
sentence because I think there's

723
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,100
one for me that I think is kind 
of like Above the Rest. 

724
00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:01,500
This up, this will be good 
because half our audience, our 

725
00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:05,300
teachers and I reckon honestly, 
before I read them, what I've 

726
00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:06,900
been able to get all eight of 
the top of my head. 

727
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,700
Maybe we're enough time. 
But I probably would have 

728
00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:11,600
forgotten one or two. 
Yeah, but also for our 

729
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,000
non-teacher listeners this is a 
really good Insight actually 

730
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,000
into almost our, you know, our 
kind of role has been condensed 

731
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000
into this A4 sheet, and these 
eight standards. 

732
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,300
So it'd be nice to interact. 
Listen to the actual. 

733
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:23,300
Okay, if you had to summarize 
the job. 

734
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,200
It's these eight things. 
So I'm looking forward to this. 

735
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,800
I'm going to try and justify it.
Remind me of a dim, go on. 

736
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,900
We have to meet these eight 
things, and if we can't do it, 

737
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,400
do them in our director time, 
which we can't, by the way, you 

738
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,900
have to do them anyway. 
And that's the way, the job 

739
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:35,600
works. 
So, here we go. 

740
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:40,100
Teacher standard number one set.
high expectations, which Inspire

741
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,900
motivate and challenge pupils 
Teachers added number to 

742
00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:46,900
promote, good progress and 
outcomes by pupils. 

743
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,600
Number three is demonstrate, 
good subject and curriculum 

744
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,800
knowledge. 
Number four is plan and teach 

745
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,500
well-structured lessons. 
Number five adapt teaching to 

746
00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:04,200
respond to the strengths and 
needs of all pupils Number six, 

747
00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:08,600
make accurate and productive, 
use of assessment number 7, 

748
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,800
manage Behavior, effectively to 
ensure a good safe, learning 

749
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,100
environment and number eight, 
fulfill wider professional 

750
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:16,699
responsibilities. 
Good old T8. 

751
00:34:16,699 --> 00:34:19,000
They drop that one in there. 
Just so you know just scoop up 

752
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,500
any other jobs they want you to 
do. 

753
00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:23,100
I can't believe that. 
I remember so vividly, by the 

754
00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:28,199
way that they wanted me to put 
in my training year, they asked 

755
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,000
me to help out the Disco and 
said yeah. 

756
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,300
It's because TSA Yeah, anything 
Falls in terms of this thing. 

757
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,800
Oh, do I have to do? 
It's not a direct of time. 

758
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,300
Well, she just had the date. 
You go fulfill what the 

759
00:34:39,308 --> 00:34:41,400
responsibilities. 
So it defines wide 

760
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,100
responsibilities. 
No, so nice, I'm struggling. 

761
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:47,400
I'm struggling because I've said
it a million times. 

762
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,199
A number one, most important 
thing for me is that the 

763
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:52,600
children in our care are in a 
safe learning environment. 

764
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,300
So, that's a nice straightaway 
Tyree clarify. 

765
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:56,600
My question actually, because I 
feel like I set you up to not 

766
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,500
succeed, very well there and it 
makes it really hard. 

767
00:34:58,700 --> 00:35:01,400
I think, what I mean, what I 
mean by my question is, I'm kind

768
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,200
of thinking along the lines. 
As of teacher training which is 

769
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,900
the most important skill to 
develop as a teacher. 

770
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,600
Yeah. 
From these colonies each, it's 

771
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,900
hard. 
I'm probably gonna, I'm going to

772
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:14,000
say one. 
Okay. 

773
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:16,200
I'm going to take the plunge and
do the opposite of what I always

774
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,600
do, which is chat about all of 
them. 

775
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,800
And then come to some kind of 
clear go for the say, one will 

776
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,500
go from their plan and teach 
while structured Essence, cool. 

777
00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:25,700
Do you reckon that was my one or
not? 

778
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,700
Oh, I don't know. 
I think it was it wasn't. 

779
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:36,600
Oh good. 
This is the think there was 

780
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,900
another one, when you read them,
I'm country which one it was. 

781
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:41,500
Now where I thought he, I know, 
he'd like this one. 

782
00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:44,500
I saw your not along it. 
I so I know which one you're 

783
00:35:44,508 --> 00:35:46,700
thinking is. 
I literally saw use of Nod like,

784
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:48,000
can you read them again? 
Can you beat them? 

785
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,200
A short break? 
So really quickly ready. 

786
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,000
I'm going to go through them set
high expectations. 

787
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,300
Number one number to promote, 
good progress and outcomes by 

788
00:35:53,300 --> 00:35:55,300
pupils number three, 
demonstrated subject, knowledge 

789
00:35:55,300 --> 00:35:57,600
and Quick Knowledge. 
Number four was plan and teach 

790
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,600
well-structured lessons. 
Number five is adapt. 

791
00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:01,600
To respond to the strengths and 
needs of all pupils. 

792
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,600
Number six, is make accurate and
productive, use of assessment, 

793
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,600
number 7, manage Behavior, 
effectively, and number 84 for 

794
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,400
wider, professional response, 
number two or number 6, right? 

795
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,400
Oh no, it's not what it is. 
Well, I feel like, you know, for

796
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,800
me the most important skill that
I feel has made me a good 

797
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,200
teacher, is number five adapting
that. 

798
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,000
Oh, that's why I missed it. 
I thought that was six. 

799
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,400
I thought that's the five. 
That's number five. 

800
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,900
Where? 
Oh yeah, that one. 

801
00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:27,900
That was for me. 
Like yeah. 

802
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,600
If I look back, I what I think 
is the most exciting So part of 

803
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:35,500
my teaching career, I think it 
is the ability to because of all

804
00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:38,600
the pedagogy that I learned and 
also the experience I now have 

805
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,700
is the ability to like rapidly 
rapidly adapt what I'm doing, 

806
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:47,400
based on how a child responds 
verbally or through body 

807
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,900
language to what I'm teaching 
and adapting it so that they 

808
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:52,400
learn better. 
Okay. 

809
00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:57,400
I guess my only response there 
is firstly. 

810
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,000
They are all really important 
skills to learn and Actually 

811
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,700
when you're doing your teacher 
training, it comes from this 

812
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:04,500
sheet. 
I remember my observation 

813
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:07,500
sheets, and they would have to 
directly linked to one of these 

814
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:08,900
standards. 
Like, these are the eight things

815
00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:13,100
that you're literally judged on,
but I would say, one thing that 

816
00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:16,700
in terms of, in your teacher 
training year, I guess it kind 

817
00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:18,700
of overlaps a bit of plan and 
deliver while structured 

818
00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:21,900
lessons, because actually 
planning good lessons means 

819
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:24,300
meeting the needs of your 
children and you're going to the

820
00:37:24,308 --> 00:37:27,200
next level of course, which is 
just on the spot, which I think 

821
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,900
is such an important skill. 
I Perhaps my response to that 

822
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:36,700
would be that that kind of on 
the spot changing, what you're 

823
00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:39,300
doing having the confidence to 
do that and having the knowledge

824
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:42,100
of actually the curriculum and 
to say, okay we're going to go 

825
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:44,300
slower because actually this is 
a priority and we need to make 

826
00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:46,100
sure we get this. 
So I'm going to respond to your 

827
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:48,100
needs. 
I think that's something that 

828
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:50,900
you develop over time. 
Whereas I think planning and 

829
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:53,400
delivering well-structured 
lessons is something that 

830
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,500
through good practice in your 
teacher training and a good 

831
00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:59,800
Mentor and a good school that 
you can pick up within that 

832
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,000
year. 
So I guess in my teacher 

833
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,200
training, I wanted to finish the
and I feel like I did really 

834
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,100
confident in someone giving me 
an objective and I'll be able to

835
00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:11,500
produce a good lesson for that. 
Yeah. 

836
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,200
Back in back in teacher training
and maybe even your own key to 

837
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:14,900
you. 
Thank you. 

838
00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:18,100
Tia when you have to certainly 
no teacher training when you had

839
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:22,500
to provide full written plan to 
remember, like you don't 

840
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:24,500
generally, I don't think there 
are many schools in the country 

841
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:27,300
where you have to provide or any
schools really where you have to

842
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:29,500
provide a full written plan. 
Pearl. 

843
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:33,300
Lesson per day, but when you are
training, you do have to do 

844
00:38:33,300 --> 00:38:35,800
that. 
It's an enormous enormous 

845
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,500
workload on top of the teaching 
because it takes a long time 

846
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:42,700
like how do you feel about that 
kind of now on reflection and 

847
00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:45,300
also is that any different to 
how you felt about it at the 

848
00:38:45,300 --> 00:38:47,800
time doing those plot writing 
them out? 

849
00:38:48,300 --> 00:38:55,300
I think truly right now, I would
think that they are vital to do 

850
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,700
when you're learning how to plan
a lesson, right? 

851
00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:02,100
And I think at the time, I'm I 
probably was slightly resentful 

852
00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:07,600
of them, but equally I found 
them really useful because it's 

853
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,500
not like, you know, I didn't 
resent it that much because 

854
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,900
number one I was fresh and I was
passionate and number two, it 

855
00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:15,300
really helped me plan the lesson
out. 

856
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,700
You know, now, like this is what
I mean about adapting and stuff.

857
00:39:17,700 --> 00:39:20,600
We know the curriculum so well, 
we know, teaching, so, well, at 

858
00:39:20,607 --> 00:39:23,800
this point that I can open up a 
SMART Notebook, which is 

859
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,400
basically a PowerPoint for 
teachers, and I can create a 

860
00:39:26,408 --> 00:39:29,400
lesson literally, from the top 
of my head, small. 

861
00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:32,500
Excusing resources that we've 
bought into as a school as part 

862
00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:35,700
of our scheme. 
Whereas absolutely could never 

863
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:38,200
have got to that point in my 
opinion, without being. 

864
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,800
So granular with the detail, the
start of every step and why 

865
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,800
we're doing it. 
And being able to justify that 

866
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,700
step and having the piece of 
paper there to talk to him, my 

867
00:39:45,700 --> 00:39:48,000
mentor and say, well I'm doing a
starter and I'm going to do the 

868
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,100
starter on this and I've written
down this because actually in 

869
00:39:51,107 --> 00:39:53,900
the lesson we need this skill to
make sure the children can do 

870
00:39:53,900 --> 00:39:56,700
that in there in there in there 
actual lesson and saying that 

871
00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:58,700
out loud and writing. 
It was a huge workload. 

872
00:39:58,700 --> 00:40:00,600
You're absolutely right. 
Because it Did add a lot on and 

873
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,900
if someone asked me to do it now
I'd be I'd say no because I 

874
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:05,700
don't need to it's as simple as 
that. 

875
00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:09,400
I think as a teacher, a trainee 
teacher, sorry when you're doing

876
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,000
a much reduced workload, as in 
terms of number of lessons 

877
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,300
you're delivering tell me that 
that individual highly detailed 

878
00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:23,300
plan was so important and I 
would I would really from a from

879
00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:25,800
a mental point of view. 
If I had a student I push them 

880
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,300
and push them and push them to 
do that and and for their own 

881
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:30,100
good and I'd be saying look this
I promise you. 

882
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:31,900
This is how eventually you're 
going to be able to do stuff at 

883
00:40:31,908 --> 00:40:34,500
the top of your own head. 
Yeah, well, I've got nothing to 

884
00:40:34,508 --> 00:40:37,600
add to cuz I honestly I feel 
exactly the same I would have 

885
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,700
made the exact same point. 
So I'm glad we agree on that 

886
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:41,000
one. 
I think so as well. 

887
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,700
So on to maybe a just a more 
lighthearted part of teacher 

888
00:40:45,700 --> 00:40:47,300
training, I've actually got a 
funny story. 

889
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:49,900
I just remembered something 
earlier whenever you know, that 

890
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:52,900
I can look back on and laugh and
laugh about an hour and probably

891
00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:55,000
the class teacher I was with, at
the time. 

892
00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:58,600
Probably laughed at it as well, 
but was really kind and never 

893
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,900
made me feel silly. 
About it, just let me do my 

894
00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:02,800
thing. 
They actually told the story on 

895
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:09,100
their podcast, have those me on,
I would have told it myself, but

896
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,400
you might find this quite funny 
because it's just, it's just 

897
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,300
classic me. 
Not being aware of my, but the 

898
00:41:13,308 --> 00:41:15,400
situation was just not okay, not
having knowledge on something, 

899
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,400
right? 
And so, when I was in my first 

900
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,600
ever placement, first time I've 
been dropped in a school, like 

901
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,000
it was terrifying. 
But exciting at the same time I 

902
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,100
was with the year one, which if,
you know me, I've always thought

903
00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:28,900
a key stage 2 in my, in my 
career. 

904
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,600
So, that's three. 
That's quite an odd experience. 

905
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,300
For me, even now I'd find it 
quite tricky because I'm not 

906
00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:39,100
used to it, but I was in year 
one and something I really 

907
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:42,100
wanted to do because part of the
course was, like, think it was 

908
00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:45,200
telling me to look at like, 
Behavior Awards, what Behavior 

909
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,800
Awards, and what like positive 
reward systems are there in the 

910
00:41:47,808 --> 00:41:49,900
school? 
And I, rather than, you know, 

911
00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:52,100
maybe just looking around the 
school and finding out what they

912
00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:53,700
actually do. 
I just invented my own one. 

913
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,700
I was like, awesome sauce has 
spent a whole evening to 

914
00:41:56,700 --> 00:41:58,000
inventing. 
This thing I was like, oh my 

915
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,300
God, this teacher is going to be
so Impressed with what I've 

916
00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:02,200
done. 
I've got this pedagogy backing 

917
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,200
me up and because who knows 
better than a student on their 

918
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,000
first place. 
Yeah, yeah, I thought they're 

919
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,300
going to be really impressed 
with this. 

920
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:12,800
I invented something called 
horse points. 

921
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:16,900
Not even joking, not even 
joking. 

922
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,400
I didn't even roll, wasn't even 
really aware of the connection 

923
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,100
to house points which is like 
the really common thing that 

924
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:24,300
schools use. 
I invented something called. 

925
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:26,900
I will find a picture of this 
for you didn't buy in because 

926
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:30,900
I've got some somewhere, I 
invented horse points, I spent 

927
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,200
five hours, one evening, cutting
out. 

928
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,500
These little horses with like 
people riding them junkies in 

929
00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:42,100
card, and I laminated them. 
Cut them out. 

930
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:45,300
And I made one for each table 
and then I met And laminated 

931
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:50,600
this really janky big looking 
table in which all of the horses

932
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,800
started on one side and they all
had a name for each of the 

933
00:42:54,808 --> 00:42:57,300
tables. 
And every time, you know, some 

934
00:42:57,300 --> 00:42:59,500
of this I go, they might have 
earned a horse point for that 

935
00:42:59,500 --> 00:43:01,600
table and that horse. 
Got to move one more along the 

936
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,200
track again, wasn't it 
afterwards? 

937
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,400
I realize this looked exactly 
what like, a gambling. 

938
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:09,900
Like, you know, like horses 
moving along like in a race like

939
00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:11,400
the horse racing like gambling 
thing. 

940
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:14,400
I just created this little down 
bullying looking thing. 

941
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,500
NG horse points for kids. 
I was so proud of myself at the 

942
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:20,000
time and I never really 
understood. 

943
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,900
Why the teacher wasn't that 
Blown Away by it? 

944
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,900
Because I thought it was about, 
it wasn't always like, this is 

945
00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:26,500
immense. 
I spent hours on this is epic. 

946
00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:29,300
You stood there that classic 
they go, you know, when 

947
00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:31,100
someone's in a room watching 
you, it's not evasion or 

948
00:43:31,100 --> 00:43:33,500
something and you think you're 
doing something well, and you 

949
00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:35,500
end up looking at the person in 
the room more than the kids. 

950
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:38,400
All right? 
He's staring at the guy. 

951
00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:40,700
I've got a horse. 
All right. 

952
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:47,200
Look, Just imagine this point 
and it took the class who 

953
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,800
already used to house points, 
you know, the widely accepted 

954
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,700
thing across the school, 
probably like, uh, like talking 

955
00:43:52,700 --> 00:43:56,100
to the actual teacher Miss and 
I'm imagine me in the corner, 

956
00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:59,100
just watching this lesson. 
Miss, do I get, do I get a house

957
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:00,800
point for what? 
For this one and she has to walk

958
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,200
people, that know, but you you 
get your horse Point. 

959
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,900
Go, hey, go. 
And put your horse point out. 

960
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:08,200
Make sure you nail on the way 
out. 

961
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,400
Mr. Stevens has come up with. 
That rule wasn't me for some 

962
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,400
reason done' on the way up to 
put your point up. 

963
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,400
I said Gallop Gallop, don't walk
get up to the ball. 

964
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,300
I might I might bring it back, 
you know, horse whinnies, don't 

965
00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:25,000
find it. 
It's just that one crafty kid, 

966
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:27,300
just like in it break times 
taking bets. 

967
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,600
Yeah, give you a hug. 
Give you okay. 

968
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,200
Five mil cards of blue. 
Yeah. 

969
00:44:32,500 --> 00:44:37,000
Also, I made it like 10 points. 
It's like 10 points for a whole 

970
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,300
table. 
They got it in like a day. 

971
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,900
So stupid what was what was it 
was? 

972
00:44:40,900 --> 00:44:43,700
Just, I don't, I can't remember.
I live in the last one. 

973
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,400
I'll bring it. 
It doesn't string to this bow. 

974
00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:48,400
I just felt a good for making 
this thing. 

975
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,400
I don't think I don't think I'd 
obviously hadn't thought I tell 

976
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,500
you what, though Jokes Aside. 
Right. 

977
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:56,400
It is absolutely lovely. 
When you get a student in who's,

978
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:57,500
like, really proactive like 
that. 

979
00:44:57,500 --> 00:44:58,800
That's a net. 
Good thing. 

980
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,500
I know it's funny, Ha-Ha, but 
getting those people in who are 

981
00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:05,900
so genuinely interested. 
And I don't know about you, I 

982
00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:14,800
remember training me to Iowa. 
That's it in my point, you 

983
00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:20,000
remember Trey? 
I remember training as well, but

984
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:25,000
at the point, I was sad, you 
know, in your student teacher 

985
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,100
and you kind of sometimes feel a
little bit awkward wherever you 

986
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:29,900
are because you're just about 
place, right? 

987
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:31,300
Yeah. 
And at the best of times, even 

988
00:45:31,300 --> 00:45:34,800
when I work in a school, I just,
I'm just awkward. 

989
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,900
Yeah, I brought a joke. 
I'm the awkward guy. 

990
00:45:37,100 --> 00:45:40,100
And I just, you know, in the 
first school I worked at you 

991
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:42,000
worked out with me. 
I should Sit in the corner and 

992
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,300
it wasn't because didn't like 
anyone. 

993
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,000
It's because I just wanted to 
sit like away from people. 

994
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,500
I just anyway, what a lovely 
depressing picture to paint now?

995
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:53,000
Yeah, you sound like, come on, 
no one likes you. 

996
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,800
That's why no. 
What I mean is I just, I'm 

997
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,400
slightly awkward as you can 
tell. 

998
00:45:57,900 --> 00:46:01,200
But the but the the main point 
I'm making your favorite 

999
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,400
awkward. 
Sometimes I remember being sat 

1000
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,700
in the back of the room and my 
student teach about the, the 

1001
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:09,700
teacher who I was with, who I 
was training with worse at her 

1002
00:46:09,707 --> 00:46:12,700
computer and they Had meetings, 
right? 

1003
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,100
They'd had meetings going on and
I think at the time as well, 

1004
00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:19,400
something to do with pensions 
was changing or something to do 

1005
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,100
with pay something classic 
teacher mode when you want to 

1006
00:46:23,100 --> 00:46:25,900
have a bit of a teacher moan and
ice at the back with my folder 

1007
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:28,100
out, you know, probably 
pretending to do some work. 

1008
00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:31,100
So don't feel awkward shade in 
the corner here. 

1009
00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:33,000
And oh yeah, I'm just reading 
the teacher standards for the 

1010
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,300
15th time in a row because I'm 
just waiting for break time to 

1011
00:46:35,308 --> 00:46:36,700
finish. 
And I walk we don't know what to

1012
00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:40,700
do, but they come in what one 
teacher kind of just burst in. 

1013
00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:44,600
Obviously in see me at the back 
and goes to my teacher and it's 

1014
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,400
just like, honestly spends five 
minutes ranting about how 

1015
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,000
teaching is the worst job in the
world. 

1016
00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:52,300
I wish they never got into this 
job. 

1017
00:46:52,300 --> 00:46:54,600
I can't believe it, you know, 
every single year just this is 

1018
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:55,900
being cut. 
That's been cut. 

1019
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,700
Funny how nothing changes in 
eight years, isn't it? 

1020
00:46:57,700 --> 00:46:59,800
But anyway, I had this whole 
conversation and I remember her 

1021
00:46:59,808 --> 00:47:02,400
face when she turned and saw me 
the student teacher at the back,

1022
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,200
who's just paying, you know, 10 
grand to go to university and 

1023
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,800
that's a teacher and I'm just 
like, yeah. 

1024
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,600
She's like, oh God, I'm so 
sorry. 

1025
00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:12,200
It's usually about again. 
Why should it should have known 

1026
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,900
about the ancient me? 
Yeah yeah but no weed but I 

1027
00:47:14,908 --> 00:47:18,300
thought you said we didn't 
listen to the experience I 

1028
00:47:18,308 --> 00:47:20,300
should have walked out that door
now what? 

1029
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:24,600
Like I'm being dramatic and but 
it's just funny it's just funny 

1030
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:29,000
how things are cyclic cyclic 
cyclic, ER cyclical sicker? 

1031
00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:34,100
No no son Deft sick liquor, does
it mean like kind of really 

1032
00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:35,700
skinny? 
I think so. 

1033
00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:37,400
Yeah. 
By the way guys, you can't see 

1034
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,900
this but Dylan and I are really 
happy because we're sat here 

1035
00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:41,700
wearing are under 40. 
T-shirts. 

1036
00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:43,600
Again, if you're listening to 
this in the future you can buy 

1037
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,900
it from merch store with listen 
to this now doesn't exist, 

1038
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,500
probably really? 
We just want to keep your 

1039
00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:51,400
calendar. 
Look at your calendar if it ends

1040
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,900
in 27, there's much though. 
Yeah. 

1041
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,600
If it doesn't then crack on. 
So we 31 this up here. 

1042
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,200
Yeah, go on, then. 
No, I let's say that this play 

1043
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,700
little jingle, shall we? 
All right, I'll do it myself 

1044
00:48:03,700 --> 00:48:05,100
five. 
If you asking, boom. 

1045
00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:08,700
Boom. 
After training, obviously one of

1046
00:48:08,700 --> 00:48:12,500
the most important things is to 
find an actual job was kind of 

1047
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:14,600
kind of worth nothing. 
Really you gotta find shelter. 

1048
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:17,100
I just thought we'd get in huge 
amounts of debt and not do the 

1049
00:48:17,107 --> 00:48:19,200
job. 
Yeah, just do a podcast instead.

1050
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:24,200
Guess we Fair cost money or that
customer interaction on the 

1051
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,700
merch store looking at cast 
because we want to make that 

1052
00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:29,700
podcast money. 
If we ask them, share it with 

1053
00:48:29,700 --> 00:48:32,200
us. 
They know if we ask we probably 

1054
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:33,300
shouldn't ask them to share the 
podcast. 

1055
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:35,400
That we come across needed, so 
much so much 1982. 

1056
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,200
The please share it. 
Please. 

1057
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,600
No we won't we won't say that 
Dylan, that's an example, but we

1058
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,700
won't say because it's needy. 
So we're going to tell them to, 

1059
00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:45,700
please share it with your 
friends so they stay, they 

1060
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:49,600
listen and write stuff in any 
way jobs. 

1061
00:48:49,900 --> 00:48:52,000
So, I had a bit of a rough 
experience. 

1062
00:48:52,100 --> 00:48:55,500
I'll be honest with you, you 
know, walking in with my 

1063
00:48:55,500 --> 00:48:58,500
portfolio of horse points. 
Another thing is that invented I

1064
00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:00,200
thought I'd walk into a job 
easily. 

1065
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,200
Excuse me, horse points and I've
talked myself into an elephant. 

1066
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,300
Give me a job, please? 
Yeah, hello. 

1067
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,200
So I I did, I actually fell into
quite a classic trap. 

1068
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,500
I know other teachers have 
talked about this and it's just 

1069
00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:13,800
a trap I fell into and I did not
listen. 

1070
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,100
So at the placement school that 
I was working in, which I had 

1071
00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:19,300
developed a really nice 
relationship with, it was also 

1072
00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:21,500
the school I went to as a child.
So I had this lovely 

1073
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:23,900
relationship long-standing 
relationship this with this 

1074
00:49:23,900 --> 00:49:27,300
school. 
I had just convinced myself that

1075
00:49:27,300 --> 00:49:30,000
I was going to get a job there. 
There was a job going. 

1076
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,100
My placement was going fine, you
know, I was receiving good 

1077
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:35,600
grades. 
I was like cool. 

1078
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,500
That's my job then. 
That interview came up. 

1079
00:49:38,700 --> 00:49:41,200
Obviously other people went for 
the job as well, outside of the 

1080
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,200
school and and I just didn't get
it. 

1081
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:47,200
I didn't get the job, I didn't. 
And looking back, I did not put 

1082
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,900
enough effort in. 
I gave that into 90%, I think I 

1083
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:54,000
gave a lot to the the teaching 
part because you have put a lot 

1084
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,300
of time into that element, but 
the interview I completely 

1085
00:49:57,300 --> 00:49:59,100
stuffed it up. 
I did not practice. 

1086
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:01,500
I did not, you know, look into 
what kind of questions I might 

1087
00:50:01,500 --> 00:50:03,100
be asked. 
And I remember feeling 

1088
00:50:03,100 --> 00:50:05,500
embarrassed because I just 
didn't know the answers to these

1089
00:50:05,500 --> 00:50:07,700
questions. 
Do you have more of the But left

1090
00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:09,400
after the interview that you had
to get a. 

1091
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,000
Yeah, I did say even more 
Awkward because I had to, then 

1092
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,300
go back in the next day that 
literal next day. 

1093
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,100
Knowing, I didn't get the job 
and carry on doing my placement 

1094
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:20,300
working, there for free. 
What I was paying to work there 

1095
00:50:20,300 --> 00:50:23,800
to learn so that was really 
awkward but you get over it. 

1096
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,700
If it happens to you, if you're 
listening to this and this 

1097
00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:27,900
science come out, do you know 
what is I look back at it? 

1098
00:50:27,900 --> 00:50:30,200
It's nothing to me now at the 
time it was horribly 

1099
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,500
embarrassing but this is I 
didn't care. 

1100
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:35,500
Hey, did we can't all get a job 
at the school that we worked out

1101
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:36,800
with my trainer. 
Okay, we can. 

1102
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,800
All right. 
The first time, it's the first 

1103
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,100
time. 
Well you'll be pleased to know 

1104
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:41,800
that I do. 
I also found my second interview

1105
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,300
as well, so you know, cutting 
weight and I think, you know, 

1106
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,400
just to is where I attended by 3
because I got my third, one 

1107
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,500
sure, he needed the Jolly of, 
it's okay. 

1108
00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:51,100
I need it. 
I need it. 

1109
00:50:51,107 --> 00:50:54,500
I need a job. 
So I just make it worse right? 

1110
00:50:54,900 --> 00:50:56,900
In the pgce. 
We had to do an alternative 

1111
00:50:56,900 --> 00:50:58,700
placement. 
So although we did most of our 

1112
00:50:58,700 --> 00:51:01,200
placements at one school, we did
have to go and spend two weeks. 

1113
00:51:01,300 --> 00:51:03,700
Another school just to get a bit
of experience somewhere else. 

1114
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,600
So Lo behold guess where I 
interview guess where I applied 

1115
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,500
for my Job. 
No, your contrast. 

1116
00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:11,300
It was, it wasn't. 
It was the contrasting 

1117
00:51:11,300 --> 00:51:14,200
placement, the alternative one. 
I was like, yeah, I was actually

1118
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,500
there at the time of that one, 
as well. 

1119
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:17,900
Funny enough, I would just be in
there. 

1120
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:19,800
Anyway, recently, I think I was,
like, a couple of weeks out of 

1121
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,100
that placement. 
So, as far as a fresh face, went

1122
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:25,300
to that one. 
And this is how I completely 

1123
00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:28,000
mucked up this one. 
I'm prepared for my interview 

1124
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:30,700
this time. 
I like to talk, honestly, the 

1125
00:51:30,700 --> 00:51:35,200
worst lesson I've ever taught my
career in this in this 

1126
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,300
interview. 
It happens, guys, I just The 

1127
00:51:37,308 --> 00:51:39,900
state did not reflect my 
teaching ability but I just 

1128
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:44,200
taught the worst lesson ever. 
And it was because I was being 

1129
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,700
far too adventurous. 
I recently discovered Singapore,

1130
00:51:47,700 --> 00:51:50,400
Mass, which was like the 
buzzword at the time and I was 

1131
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,100
like, oh bar modeling which 
again, was really kind of A New 

1132
00:51:53,100 --> 00:51:54,700
Concept to a lot of us at the 
time. 

1133
00:51:54,700 --> 00:51:56,800
I'm sure other people had 
experience with it, but it was 

1134
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,000
brand new for us and it was 
like, oh this is cool. 

1135
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,700
I'm going to, I'm going to wow 
these with this school with this

1136
00:52:01,700 --> 00:52:04,300
brand new pedagogy. 
I didn't really know what I was 

1137
00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:07,100
doing because by modeling is one
of those. 

1138
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,300
Things where you don't just, you
don't just go in and teach a 20 

1139
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:11,900
minute lesson. 
Expect children to know how to 

1140
00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:14,200
do it. 
It takes a long time to build up

1141
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:17,500
that skill set with children. 
I would in there, the kids had 

1142
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,300
not a foggy assist of what on 
Earth I was talking about they 

1143
00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:23,700
you know who else doesn't think 
anyone who's not a teacher this 

1144
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:25,100
thing. 
So it has to look up. 

1145
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,100
Look up with my modeling, is, 
doesn't matter. 

1146
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:29,600
Yeah, don't do that, anyway. 
It just just know this. 

1147
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:30,900
I went in there. 
I taught something that I 

1148
00:52:30,908 --> 00:52:33,400
absolutely shouldn't have talked
to has been waited Venture as it

1149
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,400
was terrible lesson and I didn't
get the job there, either I was 

1150
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,600
feeling a bit. 
After that, I didn't give up the

1151
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,900
moral of the story is don't give
up the moral of the story here 

1152
00:52:43,100 --> 00:52:45,600
is if you're Hayden and you want
a job, go to Sonny's, never seen

1153
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,000
you actually teach four weeks 
and then don't do it. 

1154
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,100
The placement schools do it 
somewhere else. 

1155
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,200
I'll tell you what though from 
my point of view having got a 

1156
00:52:54,200 --> 00:53:00,600
job at a placement school really
like I'm kind of just having you

1157
00:53:00,607 --> 00:53:04,000
struggled. 
Massively helped me possibly 

1158
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,000
happen. 
Oh yeah. 

1159
00:53:07,900 --> 00:53:11,000
Conference did it? 
No, no, not even not necessarily

1160
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,200
the confidence but I didn't make
you feel like a failure. 

1161
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,700
Yeah, it didn't make me feel 
like an abject failure. 

1162
00:53:15,700 --> 00:53:18,400
Know what? 
Massively helped me was 

1163
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:20,700
everything. 
I kind of learn by osmosis and 

1164
00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:23,600
the way they do stuff, I didn't 
have to go into another school, 

1165
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,400
not only having the pressure of 
being a brand new teacher in a 

1166
00:53:25,408 --> 00:53:27,600
school, not only having the 
pressure of being a brand, newly

1167
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,900
qualified teacher just in my the
start of my career but then I 

1168
00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:33,500
didn't have to learn from 
scratch the way the school does 

1169
00:53:33,500 --> 00:53:36,900
stuff but that was that was 
hugely beneficial and the other 

1170
00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:37,700
thing. 
Is heightened. 

1171
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,900
If you hadn't felt those two 
interviews, we might not be sad 

1172
00:53:40,900 --> 00:53:43,900
here today, doing a hard class 
isn't that love? 

1173
00:53:44,500 --> 00:53:48,100
Do you feel like, just kind of 
ignoring that, do you feel like 

1174
00:53:48,100 --> 00:53:53,500
it's a net like game like 
positive or negative to get a 

1175
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:55,300
job in the only School? 
You trained in? 

1176
00:53:56,500 --> 00:53:58,700
Firstly, it's never the only 
school because as you just said 

1177
00:53:58,700 --> 00:54:00,000
you do have a contrasting 
placement. 

1178
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,800
So you you have always been in 
at least two schools in your 

1179
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,100
training, you. 
I understand what you mean, 

1180
00:54:04,100 --> 00:54:07,800
because for 80%, at least of 
that time, Or in one school. 

1181
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,500
So you mean like in the school? 
You spent most of your time in, 

1182
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:11,400
right? 
Yeah. 

1183
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,000
I'm just saying you think it's 
like overall a good thing or bad

1184
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,700
thing to? 
I think job because it's a 

1185
00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:17,800
purple. 
What I'm saying is people might 

1186
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,900
argue that going to a completely
fresh. 

1187
00:54:19,900 --> 00:54:22,500
School is a subjective, a good 
thing because then you get to 

1188
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:24,800
learn more stuff that a new 
stuff there, and reflect on your

1189
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,400
experience from the other school
trained in. 

1190
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,300
I think it would be really 
stupid to give a blanket answer 

1191
00:54:30,300 --> 00:54:32,400
to that, which is such a 
cop-out, but it's true. 

1192
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:33,900
If you had a really good 
experience. 

1193
00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:36,800
Like I loved my trading year. 
I absolutely loved it because 

1194
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,500
I'm Punch myself into it. 
I felt like I made good 

1195
00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:43,900
relationships with, you know, 
you but like a lot of people, a 

1196
00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:47,300
lot of people in that school, I 
felt comfortable there from my 

1197
00:54:47,300 --> 00:54:50,000
point of view of like, you know,
the idea of starting a new 

1198
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,300
school is quite daunting, in 
terms of just having to rebuild 

1199
00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:55,200
like those connections with 
brand-new people's stuff at the 

1200
00:54:55,207 --> 00:54:57,200
start of my career. 
I've been more confident doing 

1201
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,400
now. 
I'm sure but like for me 

1202
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:05,200
absolutely was the right thing 
to do and also the thing is, you

1203
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,300
know, having the confidence to 
make that Jump is a big thing. 

1204
00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:12,400
And what I mean is by making the
jump making the jump from your 

1205
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,000
training Year to nqt in another 
school, that's actually an 

1206
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,900
easier jump. 
I think what you did starting as

1207
00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:22,600
an ink UT or a newly qualified 
teacher ECT, whether it's called

1208
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,400
now in a brand new school after 
training is easier in my 

1209
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:31,100
opinion, what's the hardest 
thing to do is to do your nqt 

1210
00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:34,600
year, do your ECT year, and then
have the guts to move. 

1211
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,000
Once you've really plowed in and
you've become like a property. 

1212
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,100
John moving school. 
After two to three years. 

1213
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,000
That is a that is a big plunge 
because you're just starting 

1214
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,300
out, you're still learning, 
you're inexperienced. 

1215
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,000
That's just the fact and it can 
be quite daunting. 

1216
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,900
I've had a lot of people say to 
me, I'd like to move. 

1217
00:55:51,900 --> 00:55:54,800
I'd like to try something else, 
but I'm going to stay in my 

1218
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,400
comfort zone and it takes them. 
A lot of time to build up the 

1219
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,000
confidence to make that jump. 
So, I would say if you're having

1220
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,900
a really positive experience in 
your school that you're training

1221
00:56:04,900 --> 00:56:06,700
in, go for it states. 
That let's go. 

1222
00:56:06,700 --> 00:56:08,400
There's a job. 
And if they give you a job, 

1223
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:14,500
brilliant, if you are having a 
less good for want of a better 

1224
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:17,800
word experience, some people 
call that - that's the word I'm 

1225
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,100
deaf. 
If you have an under the 

1226
00:56:19,100 --> 00:56:23,200
experience at your school, you 
need to, in my opinion, look 

1227
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,500
house where you know, Branch out
because then you can have raised

1228
00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:30,100
that, you know, be brave early 
getting somewhere else, learn it

1229
00:56:30,100 --> 00:56:32,600
while she still inexperienced 
because you can get stuck in 

1230
00:56:32,607 --> 00:56:35,800
schools that is just the truth. 
Yeah, I think it was a blessing 

1231
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,900
in disguise that I Get the job 
in the placements called the 

1232
00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:41,300
first one I really wanted to is 
that is that to thing that's 

1233
00:56:41,300 --> 00:56:43,900
like a personal thing or do you 
think that extrapolates to do 

1234
00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:45,600
you disagree with me? 
That's a good. 

1235
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,300
Now, I don't know, I think 
you're probably right in terms 

1236
00:56:47,300 --> 00:56:49,300
of there isn't really a blanket 
answer for me personally, it 

1237
00:56:49,300 --> 00:56:51,300
definitely was a good thing 
because I think there was 

1238
00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:53,700
already a hint of complacency in
me as you can tell from the 

1239
00:56:53,707 --> 00:56:56,600
interview process already. 
I was starting to be a bit like 

1240
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,100
I you know I've got this job in 
the bag like know. 

1241
00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:03,500
It really be woke me up. 
It may be like I gave 110% that 

1242
00:57:03,500 --> 00:57:05,300
third interview. 
I did when I learned from my 

1243
00:57:05,300 --> 00:57:09,200
first to the mistakes I made. 
I I gave everything to that to 

1244
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,100
that interview and that teaching
process, like, I gave so much. 

1245
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,000
And then I, and I really valued 
the fact I got that job, I don't

1246
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,300
know, maybe it, maybe it 
wouldn't be that different, but 

1247
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,700
I am glad that I didn't get a 
job there in the end and it and 

1248
00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:22,200
I went somewhere else. 
And I was able to draw on that 

1249
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,200
experience, which was really 
different, by the way, to the 

1250
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,200
actual teaching experience. 
I then kind of gained at this, 

1251
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,200
you know, the school, that we 
both worked at where I work, 

1252
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,600
where I learned so much stuff 
about teaching, so much stuff 

1253
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,500
about teaching. 
Like, I had a brilliant verse 

1254
00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:39,200
first. 
Yeah, I think maybe that the 

1255
00:57:39,207 --> 00:57:42,000
kind of what will be a nice way 
to round this off. 

1256
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,300
Almost talk to you about talking
about teacher training. 

1257
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:47,400
Maybe we could have a very, very
quick just back and forth about 

1258
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,400
how actually I probably learned 
most of what I learned in my 

1259
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,400
first two years of being, an 
actual teacher. 

1260
00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:57,700
Yeah, yeah, definitely. 
I learnt 80%, I'd say faster for

1261
00:57:57,700 --> 00:58:01,600
a random number on it. 80% of 
the, of the, my understanding of

1262
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:05,000
how to teach. 
Well, came from my ink you to 

1263
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,800
you, for sure. 
So, you know, One finishing 

1264
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,600
their training here and 
thinking, oh, am I ready? 

1265
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,200
Honestly, probably not. 
But no one is no. 

1266
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,100
One is, no one's ready. 
Pasta salad, right? 

1267
00:58:15,700 --> 00:58:19,700
I had that 100% hundreds of fake
it till you make, it became the 

1268
00:58:19,700 --> 00:58:21,100
justification for a lot of 
stuff. 

1269
00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:24,300
I remember very quickly on this 
point of building up confidence,

1270
00:58:24,300 --> 00:58:27,400
right? 
And you know I finally you get 

1271
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,000
to the point where I'm from your
class, you're fine because 

1272
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,100
they're your children that your 
first, you always remember your 

1273
00:58:31,100 --> 00:58:33,900
first class, always will 
remember those children because 

1274
00:58:33,900 --> 00:58:36,600
you make such a bond with them 
and it's such a emotional time 

1275
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,200
for you. 
You're given in so much of your 

1276
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,300
life in yourself. 
You'll never forget your first 

1277
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:44,700
class but I remember the first 
time this is so ridiculous. 

1278
00:58:44,700 --> 00:58:46,300
These specific and I do love you
Baby. 

1279
00:58:46,300 --> 00:58:48,200
Have a similar memory and maybe 
other teachers this thing. 

1280
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:54,100
I remember the first time, I 
felt confident enough to shout 

1281
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:58,400
like as in raise my voice over 
the entire School in assembly. 

1282
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,600
I remember it because I did it 
and then I walked off and I was 

1283
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,000
like I was almost shaking. 
I was like shaking a bit like 

1284
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,700
with adrenaline because 
basically Lee they were very 

1285
00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:11,100
loud coming out of assembly. 
I think it was you and I maybe 

1286
00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:13,700
we'd be what we've been. 
We've been doing something you 

1287
00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:15,400
were there, I think. 
But they're basically. 

1288
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,800
We were that, was it? 
We were giving out certificates,

1289
00:59:17,900 --> 00:59:21,100
just simple stood there, given a
certificate just like, oh, and 

1290
00:59:21,100 --> 00:59:23,000
this person's one this well 
done. 

1291
00:59:23,300 --> 00:59:25,200
And they finished. 
And they stood up and it was 

1292
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,300
just really, really loud and 
like the head walked out or 

1293
00:59:27,300 --> 00:59:28,800
something. 
I don't remember but there was 

1294
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,900
no like, you know, clear SLT 
leading and I would have been 

1295
00:59:31,900 --> 00:59:36,200
really rude and really loud and 
I Rose I spoke up really that 

1296
00:59:36,300 --> 00:59:38,300
raise my voice. 
Cut across, and they all went 

1297
00:59:38,300 --> 00:59:40,400
quiet. 
And I remember, I'll always 

1298
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,500
remember kind of look to the 
side at one of the teachers, one

1299
00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:45,400
of the teachers, much more 
experience kind of just, like, 

1300
00:59:45,500 --> 00:59:48,000
kind of smirked and give me the 
nod, like nice. 

1301
00:59:48,100 --> 00:59:50,300
Like, yeah, the good world. 
I didn't expect that from you. 

1302
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,400
Yeah, too bad. 
You were crying at the time, 

1303
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:55,500
right? 
Dylan. 

1304
00:59:55,500 --> 00:59:58,900
Before we finish up this 
podcast, I have prepared 

1305
00:59:58,900 --> 01:00:03,300
something, you have no idea what
this is, but I found a post. 

1306
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,100
You know what I do? 
I scroll through forums and all 

1307
01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:06,900
sorts of things all the time. 
Looking for interesting. 

1308
01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:09,300
Stuff. 
This was a nun Anonymous post 

1309
01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:11,500
and I've any I thought so 
interesting. 

1310
01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:13,800
I have to I have to just read 
this to you on the podcast and 

1311
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,700
get your thoughts on it because 
it really subverts some of the 

1312
01:00:16,707 --> 01:00:18,200
kind of things we've had on here
before. 

1313
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,200
So you're going to ask me a 
question or am I just going to 

1314
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,600
reply to this cold? 
Well my question I'd no, not 

1315
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,200
really, not really a question. 
It's just, I'm going to get your

1316
01:00:24,207 --> 01:00:26,000
reaction. 
I'm going to read you this some 

1317
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,500
of this panel to summarize it. 
Okay. 

1318
01:00:27,900 --> 01:00:32,200
And see what you think. 
Cool it says, help. 

1319
01:00:32,900 --> 01:00:36,200
I left teaching and I think I 
regret it. 

1320
01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:40,900
I left my last school in a way, 
not too dissimilar from many of 

1321
01:00:40,900 --> 01:00:44,100
the stories that we hear lots of
shenanigans followed by an exit 

1322
01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:45,700
agreement, just really bad 
terms. 

1323
01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:49,400
You know, things have gone wrong
support, plan, all that rubbish.

1324
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,300
And now work for a charity it's 
only been a few weeks but I'm 

1325
01:00:53,300 --> 01:00:56,200
just not enjoying it. 
I'm working from home, I'm flexi

1326
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,200
time. 
I've got like an amazing role. 

1327
01:00:58,500 --> 01:01:01,700
Amazing job, the pay is good. 
You know, things that people 

1328
01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:05,100
dream for working from home, 
flexible time, however, 

1329
01:01:05,300 --> 01:01:08,100
everything and everyone operates
At snail's pace, there was no 

1330
01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:11,600
hand over for my predecessor. 
There's lots of chatting about 

1331
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,400
abstract ideas and very much, 
very little doing. 

1332
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,300
The things are getting stuff, 
done, everything seems really 

1333
01:01:17,300 --> 01:01:20,800
disorder than slow pace. 
And some days I just find myself

1334
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:22,900
Source at the laptop kind of 
bored. 

1335
01:01:23,500 --> 01:01:25,600
Like, there's not much 
happening, it's all very slow, 

1336
01:01:27,100 --> 01:01:29,100
and this person then just goes 
on to just give a little bit 

1337
01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:32,400
more detail about how they then.
They're then Reminiscing on the 

1338
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,700
things they actually miss about 
teaching, which they didn't 

1339
01:01:34,700 --> 01:01:36,400
consider when they were leaving 
teaching. 

1340
01:01:37,100 --> 01:01:39,700
They were just thinking of the 
negative stuff and they said, 

1341
01:01:40,100 --> 01:01:43,600
I'm kind of missing the drama. 
I miss the chaos, I miss how 

1342
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,800
speedy everything was at school.
I missed the structure and the 

1343
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,400
clear objectives where you can 
actually see children learn 

1344
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,200
things. 
You can see that progress, I 

1345
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,100
missed the fact that something 
no matter how big or small would

1346
01:01:54,100 --> 01:01:56,200
make me laugh every single day, 
and that's true. 

1347
01:01:56,200 --> 01:02:00,100
We've said this before, I miss 
the in the trenches karate with 

1348
01:02:00,100 --> 01:02:03,800
some of my amazing colleagues. 
And I'm a bit better, that I 

1349
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,200
worked really hard towards 
building. 

1350
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,900
There's respected career, and 
then kind of packed it all in 

1351
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,500
because of the sort of negative 
experience I had at school and 

1352
01:02:11,500 --> 01:02:13,700
they were left it with. 
I'm almost tempted to go back 

1353
01:02:13,700 --> 01:02:17,800
into teaching, I'm not sure to 
to initial thoughts. 

1354
01:02:18,500 --> 01:02:24,200
Firstly, I am kind of sad kind 
of always worried about this 

1355
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,400
sometimes when we talked on this
because we get carried away in 

1356
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,200
the podcast, don't we, you know,
classic like get into the rabbit

1357
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,100
hole. 
I'm kind of sad that you store. 

1358
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,000
Thought, which is true. 
That that was like, almost the 

1359
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,500
antithesis of the kind of things
we saying this podcast. 

1360
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,400
That that first, my first 
thought is our, that is sad 

1361
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,700
because I completely agree with 
that. 

1362
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,000
And what I'm going to say here 
again. 

1363
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,000
You know people can write in and
tell us if we're being 

1364
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,800
hypocritical or anything here, 
but I don't think we are because

1365
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:57,300
you're allowed to moan about 
something which you love you're 

1366
01:02:57,300 --> 01:02:59,900
allowed to complain. 
And if anything even applying 

1367
01:02:59,900 --> 01:03:04,000
for example, yeah, and I 
absolutely I can't even just say

1368
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,800
that love just, it would just 
meet can't say that's it. 

1369
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:12,700
But I think for me, personally, 
I get more riled up, more 

1370
01:03:12,700 --> 01:03:16,200
annoyed, more in search of 
answers, or wanting to fix 

1371
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,200
something, the more I care about
it. 

1372
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,100
So when I, when I'm getting in a
rut and I'm getting annoyed and 

1373
01:03:21,100 --> 01:03:23,600
I'm getting frustrated and I why
is this happening with teaching?

1374
01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:25,600
Why can't they give us a decent 
pay offer? 

1375
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,800
Why can't they fund the school's
correctly? 

1376
01:03:28,100 --> 01:03:30,900
Why can't these children get the
absolute best that they possibly

1377
01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:32,000
can. 
Why are we not? 

1378
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:33,800
Prioritizing the Next 
Generation. 

1379
01:03:33,900 --> 01:03:37,300
Why can't we give children free 
food because their children and 

1380
01:03:37,300 --> 01:03:39,600
you know, nourishing them is an 
important step to their 

1381
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,300
development. 
Why can't we invest in 

1382
01:03:42,300 --> 01:03:44,900
education? 
Why can't we become more 

1383
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:50,000
actually as a culture respectful
and endearing towards this 

1384
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,800
profession? 
Why can't we just value these 

1385
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,100
professionals still going as 
they are why I hate it. 

1386
01:03:56,300 --> 01:03:57,500
You know? 
I'll do it right now because I 

1387
01:03:57,500 --> 01:04:01,000
love it and I am a teacher. 
I will never not be a teacher. 

1388
01:04:01,300 --> 01:04:03,600
I will never not be. 
You'll never not be a teacher 

1389
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,800
because it's kind of a way of 
you doing stuff. 

1390
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:13,400
I love teaching children and 
seeing progress and helping 

1391
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:17,700
other people, right? 
I cannot imagine for a second 

1392
01:04:17,700 --> 01:04:20,400
because guess what, I would have
done it already, I would have 

1393
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:21,700
done it over. 
I would have quit teaching by 

1394
01:04:21,700 --> 01:04:25,400
now, I would have done it and 
you no matter how much you gain 

1395
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,300
ground down. 
And the sad thing is, I can see 

1396
01:04:27,300 --> 01:04:29,600
myself going past that line in 
the future. 

1397
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,600
If things don't change, okay, I 
can see that be Be perfectly 

1398
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,600
honest. 
But can you Hayden? 

1399
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:39,000
Imagine sitting 925 in an office
job. 

1400
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,100
Not put anything against that, 
if that's what you do for your 

1401
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:42,800
job. 
You crack on, good on you. 

1402
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:47,000
But, but as a teacher, can you 
imagine transitioning to that? 

1403
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:49,900
Not? 
Not easily. 

1404
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,900
Because it is so different. 
And I think that's what that 

1405
01:04:51,900 --> 01:04:55,400
person has come to the 
realization of, I think they've 

1406
01:04:55,400 --> 01:05:00,000
realized that even though it 
within the chaos You know, there

1407
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,000
were actually really great parts
of the job and sometimes a lack 

1408
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,300
of chaos is boring and I think 
some people do naturally find 

1409
01:05:08,300 --> 01:05:11,300
that I speak to so many people 
including teachers, who say to 

1410
01:05:11,300 --> 01:05:15,800
me, I would honestly love to 
retire and just go and work in a

1411
01:05:15,808 --> 01:05:17,900
shop. 
And I like that. 

1412
01:05:17,900 --> 01:05:19,900
So I'm happy with that. 
They're like that is a dream to 

1413
01:05:19,900 --> 01:05:21,800
me and I'm like cool. 
Fair play to you. 

1414
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,000
I can't think of anything worse.
Having worked in a shop. 

1415
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,700
Now, I don't want to do that 
anymore. 

1416
01:05:25,900 --> 01:05:27,800
I found something else. 
I like doing which is teaching 

1417
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,000
and it is chaotic. 
I know I'm used to it, so I 

1418
01:05:30,008 --> 01:05:32,400
couldn't go back. 
I this is this is what I do now 

1419
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,600
is just this chaos of teaching. 
So yeah, I think I'd find it 

1420
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:39,600
really hard and I can I related 
to that post even though I 

1421
01:05:39,607 --> 01:05:43,000
haven't quit teaching and, like,
being in that same situation. 

1422
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,400
I felt like I could understand 
it, I can put myself in the 

1423
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,800
shoes of You know what, like you
I do get really frustrated this 

1424
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,400
job and I have become really 
frustrated this year of all 

1425
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,400
specially with all the politics 
going around around this job, 

1426
01:05:54,700 --> 01:05:56,600
and it has made me think about 
those sorts of things. 

1427
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,800
I maybe a maybe, I will go past 
that line and tip over and maybe

1428
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,000
I will be the one of those 
people that quits and in that 

1429
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,800
huge statistic of people that 
quit. 

1430
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,000
But I think I probably be a more
like this person. 

1431
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,300
I reckon, I'd regret it. 
I really do. 

1432
01:06:09,300 --> 01:06:11,500
I think I'd get bored. 
We spoke about it before, 

1433
01:06:11,500 --> 01:06:12,900
haven't we? 
In? 

1434
01:06:12,900 --> 01:06:15,400
Obviously, I know, we will see 
work full-time for many years. 

1435
01:06:15,700 --> 01:06:18,900
We went part-time, That seems 
like a nice kind of Middle 

1436
01:06:18,900 --> 01:06:23,500
Ground of, I can't imagine I 
can't just I just can't imagine.

1437
01:06:23,500 --> 01:06:25,300
Never having my foot in the 
classroom. 

1438
01:06:25,300 --> 01:06:29,500
And I think that's why I really 
am passionate about fighting in 

1439
01:06:29,500 --> 01:06:32,800
this political sense of these 
strikes these funding, because 

1440
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:37,800
I'm trying to fight to keep my 
passion and my love as something

1441
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:41,000
that's worth my while doing and 
and is good enough to stay in. 

1442
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,600
As a profession, I want to 
finish up this little 

1443
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,200
discussion. 
Now by talking directly to one 

1444
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,700
of our - Richie sooner, who we 
know is one of our listeners, 

1445
01:06:48,700 --> 01:06:51,200
right? 
So on behalf of the government, 

1446
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:52,400
I'm talking to the government 
now. 

1447
01:06:52,700 --> 01:06:54,900
Wait, wait. 
On behalf of the government, not

1448
01:06:54,900 --> 01:06:56,000
on behalf the world. 
No, no, sorry. 

1449
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:58,700
He's on behalf of the 
government. 

1450
01:06:58,700 --> 01:07:00,400
Okay, I'm I'm talking to Richie 
senac. 

1451
01:07:01,300 --> 01:07:05,000
So, this is a statistic that 
came out of a very, very recent 

1452
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:09,000
study on teachers. 
And I think it is deeply related

1453
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,200
to the story. 
We just read and the discussion.

1454
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:16,100
We just had About teaching. 
Here's the stat, a quarter 

1455
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:20,300
twenty five percent of teachers 
and leaders reported, that they 

1456
01:07:20,300 --> 01:07:24,300
were considering leaving the 
profession within the next 12 

1457
01:07:24,300 --> 01:07:29,100
months. 
That's not surprising. 

1458
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,200
That's, you know, that's my 
first of all, not surprising, 

1459
01:07:32,500 --> 01:07:37,200
but sad, sad, because a lot of 
those people won't want to leave

1460
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,300
the profession. 
There is a difference. 

1461
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:42,600
Isn't there between saying I'm 
considering leaving this 

1462
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:46,200
profession and saying, Want to 
leave this profession and it is 

1463
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,400
a lot of people in the camp of 
considering who don't want to. 

1464
01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:51,300
That's why I've got such a big 
turnout for strikes. 

1465
01:07:51,300 --> 01:07:54,200
That's why we got such a big 
feeling behind this because 

1466
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:55,700
we're trying to save this 
profession that we love. 

1467
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,700
No one wants to get out of it, 
we would rather it be fixed. 

1468
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,100
I did actually find out in the 
studying. 

1469
01:08:01,100 --> 01:08:03,600
I've got it right here. 
Like why what that what the core

1470
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,400
reasons were? 
They got the top reasons. 

1471
01:08:05,500 --> 01:08:07,000
I've not seen this. 
Trying yes them. 

1472
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,500
I bet I could tell you, I bet I 
could say that one workload. 

1473
01:08:09,500 --> 01:08:13,000
One. 
Okay, as a three three separate,

1474
01:08:13,100 --> 01:08:15,800
there's three, three, three 
things yet workload, workload 

1475
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:23,000
one it's off to do workload. 
Really God while they up to. 

1476
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,500
So what code is number one 
ninety two percent of the people

1477
01:08:26,500 --> 01:08:28,899
that said that the said they 
were considering leaving what 

1478
01:08:28,899 --> 01:08:31,500
and they stated the reason is 
because of increasing workload 

1479
01:08:33,100 --> 01:08:35,300
76%. 
The people said because of 

1480
01:08:35,300 --> 01:08:37,100
government initiatives or policy
changes. 

1481
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:41,500
Mmm, and the third most popular.
One 69%. 

1482
01:08:41,500 --> 01:08:45,899
Said, pressures relating to 
pupil outcomes or inspection or 

1483
01:08:45,899 --> 01:08:47,200
hostile. 
Basically should have got that 

1484
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:48,600
one. 
It's so true. 

1485
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:52,700
How much how much of the stress 
that you've experienced in a 

1486
01:08:52,707 --> 01:08:54,899
school? 
If you look back is heavily 

1487
01:08:54,899 --> 01:08:58,000
weighted to when your schools in
a window frosted yet, 

1488
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,700
hilariously. 
I think all of it I think is 

1489
01:09:00,700 --> 01:09:04,200
top-down all of it comes. 
That genuinely all of it. 

1490
01:09:04,300 --> 01:09:07,300
I think the high workload comes 
as a result of leaders, 

1491
01:09:07,300 --> 01:09:09,500
stressing out about ofsted 
coming in and doing and the 

1492
01:09:09,508 --> 01:09:13,399
workload increases I really do. 
I think it's just yeah, it's it.

1493
01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:15,800
I don't know, something needs to
change in my opinion but we can 

1494
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,399
talk about that. 
I think another episode that's 

1495
01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:19,200
12 discussion, you know, it's 
happening. 

1496
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:20,800
Next week, right? 
Another strike. 

1497
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:22,600
So I'm sure we'll touch on this 
in the next podcast. 

1498
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:24,600
Yeah, let's do it. 
Will talk about ofsted will talk

1499
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:26,800
about offset next week and those
strikes. 

1500
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,500
Really nice chat there. 
I did love that. 

1501
01:09:32,500 --> 01:09:35,600
I do love it when we just get 
our teeth into something and we 

1502
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,600
just get carried away, was 
really really good. 

1503
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:42,100
It's such a big part of, you 
know, my teaching experience was

1504
01:09:42,100 --> 01:09:45,000
that training because you know 
what, it helps me fall in love 

1505
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,000
with teaching because I realized
it's something I really enjoy 

1506
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,500
doing and it's probably why 
we're so passionate now, aren't 

1507
01:09:50,500 --> 01:09:53,600
we about trying to save this 
profession again? 

1508
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,300
One last thing before we go, 
guys, you've got this far and 

1509
01:09:56,300 --> 01:09:59,000
you haven't already given us a 
five star review on Spotify or 

1510
01:09:59,008 --> 01:10:01,800
wherever you, listen it. 
Is so helpful to us? 

1511
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:03,600
I can't tell you how many 
people. 

1512
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,900
I've had literally come up to me
and say I can't believe how many

1513
01:10:06,900 --> 01:10:09,100
reviews you've got as out. 
Yeah, cuz I don't shut up about 

1514
01:10:09,100 --> 01:10:10,500
it. 
I asked everyone who could 

1515
01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:13,100
possibly listen. 
It's so helpful and if anyone's 

1516
01:10:13,100 --> 01:10:16,400
a across the podcast and they 
see the reviews, they will click

1517
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,100
on it. 
So thank you so much for 

1518
01:10:18,100 --> 01:10:21,600
everything you've done so far. 
Follow re all that good stuff 

1519
01:10:21,900 --> 01:10:25,400
and I want to say we don't say 
it enough, I guess because we're

1520
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,300
being genuine. 
Thank you so much for listening,

1521
01:10:27,300 --> 01:10:29,000
guys. 
Thank you. 

1522
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,400
See you next time. 
See you next week, next time. 

1523
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,200
See you next week. 
Bye, guys. 

1524
01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:37,100
That's right. 
But