1 00:00:00,060 --> 00:00:03,270 Hey everyone, before we jump in, this week's a little bit of 2 00:00:03,280 --> 00:00:04,690 something different. We used to do skits. 3 00:00:04,700 --> 00:00:07,210 This isn't a skit. Sorry, but it is gonna be a 4 00:00:07,220 --> 00:00:08,370 little chat. To let him. 5 00:00:08,380 --> 00:00:10,650 Down very quick one. It's been a year since we 6 00:00:10,660 --> 00:00:12,110 started the podcast. It has. 7 00:00:12,540 --> 00:00:14,220 No it's not. It's been a year and two weeks 8 00:00:14,230 --> 00:00:17,320 because I missed the year, weeks ago. 9 00:00:17,370 --> 00:00:19,210 Yeah, it was the start of February, so we're a couple 10 00:00:19,220 --> 00:00:21,780 weeks into the year now. So thank you everyone. 11 00:00:21,850 --> 00:00:24,000 Some people up in this thing since episode one, which is 12 00:00:24,010 --> 00:00:25,850 unbelievable. It's obviously we've picked up 13 00:00:25,860 --> 00:00:27,600 other people. On my mum, Your mum. 14 00:00:28,070 --> 00:00:31,020 Rishi Sunak, you know all your customers out there. 15 00:00:31,070 --> 00:00:32,700 Big thank you for listening every week. 16 00:00:32,710 --> 00:00:35,380 And a huge thank you for getting involved in all our socials at 17 00:00:35,390 --> 00:00:38,850 Teach Seat Repeat podcast on Instagram and just letting us 18 00:00:38,860 --> 00:00:40,420 know how you think the episodes are going. 19 00:00:40,430 --> 00:00:43,140 Because I don't think we ever expected to even make it to a 20 00:00:43,150 --> 00:00:44,160 year. Never mind. 21 00:00:44,170 --> 00:00:45,780 And we love you all. Except for that one star. 22 00:00:45,870 --> 00:00:49,620 Yeah, for that one, that we all. We all get pissed with. 23 00:00:49,630 --> 00:00:52,130 That I don't like you? Umm, but everything else? 24 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,630 Yeah, lovely. So I just thought what we do, 25 00:00:54,700 --> 00:00:57,460 it's been a year, if you wanted to get as a birthday present, 26 00:00:57,700 --> 00:01:00,910 you know you could you could get a birthday present. 27 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,550 All we want is for you guys to please share the podcast. 28 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,900 If you enjoy the podcast, please share with someone that's 29 00:01:05,910 --> 00:01:08,410 invaluable to us. And if you haven't already, we 30 00:01:08,420 --> 00:01:11,760 have mentioned that, but reviews help us so much because when 31 00:01:11,770 --> 00:01:14,210 someone lands on our podcast on one of these streaming sites, 32 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,860 the more reviews, the more reliability, the more people are 33 00:01:16,870 --> 00:01:18,830 likely to play and then obviously Hayden, what's their 34 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:19,850 press play, they're gonna stay on. 35 00:01:19,860 --> 00:01:20,620 Yeah, of course. Yeah. 36 00:01:20,630 --> 00:01:22,700 Why wouldn't? And as Dylan said, as I said a 37 00:01:22,710 --> 00:01:25,560 long time ago, we we do this podcast because we want that 38 00:01:25,570 --> 00:01:29,740 podcast money. So we need, we need people to be 39 00:01:29,750 --> 00:01:32,150 sharing this so we can get the money for the podcast. 40 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:33,710 That's all we're doing it for. Right. 41 00:01:33,950 --> 00:01:36,280 Yeah, that's, that's obviously. That's how we say yes. 42 00:01:36,290 --> 00:01:39,350 Because I think most people make money by not making money for a 43 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,900 year. That's a good way to make. 44 00:01:41,910 --> 00:01:43,180 Money have not made any money from. 45 00:01:43,190 --> 00:01:46,260 This, this, this is normally in podcast where response would go. 46 00:01:46,270 --> 00:01:50,050 What are we doing? Need financial planning spaces? 47 00:01:52,050 --> 00:01:56,600 I'm joking, I'm going jokes. With rambling on, anyone knew 48 00:01:56,670 --> 00:01:59,080 has turned off now. So guys, please can you give us 49 00:01:59,090 --> 00:02:00,540 a review Please can you share the podcast? 50 00:02:00,550 --> 00:02:03,100 Please just. Please do it. 51 00:02:03,270 --> 00:02:04,840 Just please. OK. 52 00:02:08,820 --> 00:02:10,949 Hello everyone and welcome back to another episode of Tech Step 53 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:11,550 Repeat. My name is. 54 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,650 Dylan and my name is Aiden. No, it's not. 55 00:02:13,660 --> 00:02:18,390 It's Mr Beg. Please please. 56 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:19,790 Everyone got that kid over there. 57 00:02:20,250 --> 00:02:24,790 Ohh, please. It's when they do the early end. 58 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,960 Please. I didn't turn. 59 00:02:27,970 --> 00:02:30,430 You did because you didn't at the end, so I know you're lying. 60 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,030 Do you just really randomly because I just said the word 61 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:34,400 miss? Do you? 62 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,570 Do you get called miss all the? Time I got Miss all the time. 63 00:02:37,620 --> 00:02:40,230 But there's not there's not an equivalent because the 64 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,050 equivalent is Mr That just sounds crazy. 65 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,010 A child did want to call me Mr And I was like, is this Mary 66 00:02:45,020 --> 00:02:49,260 Poppins? Hello Mr But there's no 67 00:02:49,270 --> 00:02:51,320 equivalent cause the equivalent is Sir, and that's so much 68 00:02:51,330 --> 00:02:52,740 higher. Than get the odd, isn't it? 69 00:02:52,750 --> 00:02:53,760 I get the odd. Sir, don't you feel 70 00:02:53,770 --> 00:02:56,900 uncomfortable though? Like Miss Smith, Sir, it's like 71 00:02:56,910 --> 00:02:58,100 so. Different I had, I've had a 72 00:02:58,110 --> 00:03:00,460 couple of kids over the years, so just decided no, I'm gonna, 73 00:03:00,470 --> 00:03:03,460 it's not supposed to be. So yeah, I think it's Year 6. 74 00:03:03,620 --> 00:03:05,750 They're like, no. And one of the kids, funny 75 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,330 enough, the other day he came up to me and said, what do what do 76 00:03:08,340 --> 00:03:10,180 they call what do they call you at secondary school? 77 00:03:10,190 --> 00:03:12,170 Will it still be Mr Stevens or was it like Sir? 78 00:03:12,180 --> 00:03:15,620 And I was like probably Sir, it was like, OK, I'm gonna start 79 00:03:15,630 --> 00:03:16,440 doing that. Get ready. 80 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:19,770 And you forgot immediately. Didn't do it once. 81 00:03:19,780 --> 00:03:22,130 Yeah, I didn't know you were in class 3, kid. 82 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,590 Get off the street, walking from the shop. 83 00:03:29,860 --> 00:03:33,660 It wasn't 20 year old Ohh God. You're going to get ready. 84 00:03:33,670 --> 00:03:35,900 He was just some secondary school teacher work I always 85 00:03:35,910 --> 00:03:37,780 gotta do. He's gonna call me. 86 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,160 All these upset, upset, upset. I'm sorry mate, you don't have a 87 00:03:43,170 --> 00:03:46,940 teaching qualification, you just some random bloke from Tesco. 88 00:03:46,990 --> 00:03:50,440 Ohh God. What we're doing We're recording 89 00:03:50,450 --> 00:03:51,740 this podcast quite early in the. Morning. 90 00:03:51,750 --> 00:03:53,330 So we're a bit delirious, Quite working. 91 00:03:53,750 --> 00:03:56,060 I mean, I quite like it. We get the best feedback from 92 00:03:56,070 --> 00:03:57,800 our delirious ones. I think we should do a midnight 93 00:03:57,810 --> 00:04:00,930 podcast, like where we where we stayed up all night the night 94 00:04:00,940 --> 00:04:02,900 before. Completely delusional. 95 00:04:02,910 --> 00:04:06,260 God, get some snacks and stuff. Not sugar for me, but Hayden, 96 00:04:06,270 --> 00:04:07,180 how's your sugar? No sugar. 97 00:04:07,190 --> 00:04:09,890 Going well. I did eat 1/3 of a cake last 98 00:04:09,900 --> 00:04:11,170 night that you served on a plate. 99 00:04:11,180 --> 00:04:11,880 Third. Victory. 100 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,790 Don't explain why it was specifically 1/3 what did you? 101 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,279 Do right. It's been like it's Lawrence 102 00:04:17,290 --> 00:04:18,750 birthday the other day, so of course. 103 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:23,270 So your no sugar February lasted until the 8th of February. 104 00:04:23,420 --> 00:04:25,190 Ohh no it didn't. No, it didn't, because it lasted 105 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,270 until 9:00 AM, the 1st of February you had a cream. 106 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:29,270 Of course. But yeah, for Lauren's birthday. 107 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:31,770 And this is the problem, right? In all seriousness, I have an 108 00:04:31,780 --> 00:04:33,750 actual problem eating sugar and chocolate. 109 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:35,770 And you know, I've said it before. 110 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:38,660 I knew the second I could jump on something and take advantage 111 00:04:38,670 --> 00:04:39,800 of it, and I absolutely done that. 112 00:04:39,810 --> 00:04:41,920 Yeah, Lawrence Birthday. OK, here's the 7th cake. 113 00:04:42,090 --> 00:04:43,580 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's. Terrible. 114 00:04:43,590 --> 00:04:47,420 I'm so bad and seeing you say no to the cake made me feel ashamed 115 00:04:47,470 --> 00:04:50,350 of myself because I was like you should have, that's why. 116 00:04:50,430 --> 00:04:53,870 Because I was the one in Tesco. Buying it was like I'm looking 117 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,680 at it for ages thinking I wasn't on birthday 2 days. 118 00:04:56,690 --> 00:04:59,000 Yeah, I know, I know. We're going round there for 119 00:04:59,010 --> 00:04:59,870 dinner. Should I get? 120 00:04:59,940 --> 00:05:02,380 I'll get a cake and me and I probably would have a bit. 121 00:05:02,570 --> 00:05:04,480 You didn't have it, so I had a third of the cake. 122 00:05:04,490 --> 00:05:06,580 Well, this is, yeah, because you brought a cake in. 123 00:05:06,630 --> 00:05:08,320 Firstly, I was like, you know what? 124 00:05:08,370 --> 00:05:09,980 That's fine because I do need to go over it. 125 00:05:09,990 --> 00:05:11,900 I'm not gonna have sugar. I can't make everyone else not 126 00:05:11,910 --> 00:05:12,950 have sugar. That's fine. 127 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,290 So you brought the cake in and then you were feeding with her. 128 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,180 Lauren was feeding Rory, your lawn was just chilling out and I 129 00:05:19,190 --> 00:05:21,870 was doing the washing up after dinner and you just shout into 130 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,290 me going. Dylan, can you get us that cake 131 00:05:24,300 --> 00:05:25,410 ready? I was like, what? 132 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,050 That's different. That's different to me. 133 00:05:27,060 --> 00:05:28,630 Knowing it exists, I'll cut it up for you. 134 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,120 OK, so there's this cake. And I thought, I can't cut that 135 00:05:32,130 --> 00:05:36,000 cake into quarters because then one is for me, by definition, 136 00:05:36,010 --> 00:05:38,610 there's four of them. So I cut the cake into thirds. 137 00:05:38,620 --> 00:05:41,000 It gave everyone a huge slice. Buttered them up. 138 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,060 The sugar is one of those ones from like Tesco, like Tesco, 139 00:05:43,070 --> 00:05:45,280 Finest, like the. Smaller ones. 140 00:05:45,290 --> 00:05:48,320 Podcast money is coming in. No, no, no, no, no, no Guys, 141 00:05:48,330 --> 00:05:49,910 everyone. You need to know it was one of 142 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,090 those Tesco fights. Not no, not Tesco specific, 143 00:05:52,100 --> 00:05:53,760 right? No, no, no, no, no. 144 00:05:53,930 --> 00:05:58,080 Tesco's finest Victoria sponge with jam made from the suburbs 145 00:05:58,090 --> 00:06:00,360 of France. Actually, thank you. 146 00:06:00,410 --> 00:06:03,940 It was £74.15 and it was delicious. 147 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,790 Yeah, it was. It was nice. 148 00:06:08,140 --> 00:06:09,660 My third was ohh it's. Great. 149 00:06:09,670 --> 00:06:11,230 Yeah. Because everyone listening, ohh 150 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:12,720 yeah, I can think of a Tesco's extra finest. 151 00:06:12,730 --> 00:06:14,920 I always get that. Well, yeah. 152 00:06:14,930 --> 00:06:16,260 They're those sites where you can come into. 153 00:06:16,270 --> 00:06:17,610 Four. No one looks at them and it's no 154 00:06:17,620 --> 00:06:18,320 one knows. No one. 155 00:06:18,330 --> 00:06:20,690 No one's buying them. Cost of living crisis, mate. 156 00:06:22,140 --> 00:06:24,590 I'm sorry, I actually just picked up some sponge and some 157 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,370 icing and tell you what. Though you must have spent all 158 00:06:26,380 --> 00:06:28,260 your money on food instead of clothes, because you've got your 159 00:06:28,270 --> 00:06:30,870 free top on finally. Yeah, finally got my hoop hoop 160 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:32,830 top on. So if you haven't, go back about 161 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:36,230 five or six episodes and. I think it was more than that. 162 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:36,870 You. Know we would do. 163 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:38,310 I don't. I never know what we're doing. 164 00:06:38,620 --> 00:06:41,640 I don't understand why we got into a conversation about it was 165 00:06:41,650 --> 00:06:43,430 a game and. It had a little game. 166 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,910 It was just stupid people got involved online. 167 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,770 There's a book of ours that's the collective noun for. 168 00:06:47,780 --> 00:06:49,150 Ours. Yeah, we, we decided it's not 169 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,040 Parliament. Don't come at me with your facts 170 00:06:51,050 --> 00:06:56,130 and figures that Parliament. It's not that Parliament, Jesus. 171 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,000 Anyway, how are you? I'm good. 172 00:06:58,010 --> 00:07:00,890 How are you doing Alright. I feel really playful. 173 00:07:00,980 --> 00:07:03,890 Do you? Playful. 174 00:07:03,900 --> 00:07:04,370 Wow. Good. 175 00:07:04,380 --> 00:07:06,280 We've got a serious. Episode Mossman. 176 00:07:06,290 --> 00:07:07,590 Yeah. Anyway, should we really quickly 177 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:08,810 catch up and then crack on? Yeah, go on. 178 00:07:08,820 --> 00:07:10,850 Because I think Right Assessments can be a very 179 00:07:10,860 --> 00:07:12,930 interesting chat. Anyway, yeah, good. 180 00:07:13,260 --> 00:07:16,590 My favourite finger pointing to the, you know, gonna be a good 181 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,360 point. Anyway, we went for a Curry last 182 00:07:20,370 --> 00:07:21,050 week. Paul. 183 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,710 I don't even mention Paul on the podcast before I trained with 184 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,230 Paul. OK, Paul's a guy, he's had a 185 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:27,990 whole career before we going to teach him. 186 00:07:28,260 --> 00:07:31,380 He was an engineer or something and he had a whole career before 187 00:07:31,390 --> 00:07:36,030 going to teaching him. Well, spent a whole year with 188 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:37,920 him, engineering engine or something. 189 00:07:38,050 --> 00:07:40,280 Anyway, I trained with him, we travelled into university 190 00:07:40,290 --> 00:07:42,060 together, we had breakfast every morning. 191 00:07:42,070 --> 00:07:44,480 It's just a sound guy, really, really nice guy. 192 00:07:44,490 --> 00:07:46,920 We love him and we went, we go for a car with him. 193 00:07:46,930 --> 00:07:49,220 It averages out like once a term, but Oh my 194 00:07:59,290 --> 00:08:01,680 It's just always been really funny because we walked into 195 00:08:01,690 --> 00:08:04,040 teaching as our first career around the same time as he 196 00:08:04,050 --> 00:08:06,930 walked in as his second career. I always remember going to his 197 00:08:06,940 --> 00:08:08,880 room because we ended up working in the same school to begin 198 00:08:08,890 --> 00:08:11,680 with, and he'd be there, like heading his hands like boys, you 199 00:08:11,690 --> 00:08:13,980 don't know how how hard this job is. 200 00:08:14,350 --> 00:08:16,680 And I was like, huh, that's just normal that wait till 7:00 201 00:08:16,690 --> 00:08:17,980 tonight. And he's like, what? 202 00:08:17,990 --> 00:08:21,800 This is ridiculous because basically Paul used to enjoy 203 00:08:21,980 --> 00:08:24,620 volunteering as a reader at his children's school. 204 00:08:24,710 --> 00:08:27,700 So he'd go in and like one afternoon a week and read with 205 00:08:27,710 --> 00:08:29,600 the kids. And he was like this Teaching 206 00:08:29,610 --> 00:08:32,580 lark's great. I'm gonna do this, do this. 207 00:08:32,630 --> 00:08:36,460 And then obviously you step into professional like, I've well, 208 00:08:36,470 --> 00:08:38,750 I've got all this. He's just hilarious. 209 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,750 So that was nice. Went for a Curry and I printed 210 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,330 out some more bookmarks. So this is, this is niche. 211 00:08:45,340 --> 00:08:48,130 I have no idea what episode this was mentioned, but it was a long 212 00:08:48,140 --> 00:08:50,590 time ago and if you scroll back far enough on our Instagram 213 00:08:50,700 --> 00:08:53,990 before the memes that I've posted, there was a picture. 214 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,570 I've made bookmarks with Hayden's face on it and it's a 215 00:08:56,580 --> 00:09:00,190 screenshot from a YouTube video we did and the kids obviously 216 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,350 obsessed with it. And I've had this group of girls 217 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,140 from, I think your class, or maybe a different class in year 218 00:09:05,150 --> 00:09:08,010 six who have seen them because I gave just four out like they 219 00:09:08,020 --> 00:09:10,670 were gold dust and never been pestering me for about a month. 220 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:12,890 Like, can we have this, please? I'm like, yeah, yeah, sure. 221 00:09:12,900 --> 00:09:15,230 But obviously you have 16 other jobs that actually need to get 222 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,260 done before you make a bookmark on your face. 223 00:09:17,450 --> 00:09:20,630 I finally gave it to them. They were so excited and they 224 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,720 ran off and they they were like, so great though, thank you so 225 00:09:23,730 --> 00:09:24,870 much. Like they couldn't have been 226 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,570 more grateful. Yeah, they ran out into the 227 00:09:26,580 --> 00:09:29,230 playground at lunchtime. And so I I turned away to get 228 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,810 ready for my lesson and I just looked out the playground again 229 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,090 and what did I see? The girls surrounding the head 230 00:09:34,100 --> 00:09:37,330 teacher shoving it in his face and head teacher, like, just 231 00:09:37,340 --> 00:09:38,370 bewildered. Like, yeah. 232 00:09:38,380 --> 00:09:40,300 OK. Knowing immediately that was 233 00:09:40,310 --> 00:09:43,650 you. I reckon this is what it was, 234 00:09:43,660 --> 00:09:45,290 Dylan. I reckon his second thought was 235 00:09:45,300 --> 00:09:46,790 a bit Hayden's done that for himself. 236 00:09:47,370 --> 00:09:50,450 Yeah, it's kind of stupid thing. You're the second most likely. 237 00:09:50,460 --> 00:09:53,160 Person that day it was. It was really sweet actually. 238 00:09:53,170 --> 00:09:55,320 It's quite funny. It was dismissing the kids in 239 00:09:55,330 --> 00:09:57,780 the day and the whole the whole school is kind of at the same 240 00:09:57,790 --> 00:09:58,870 place. We can all see each other. 241 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,310 And I just saw a kid walking out from Euphoria 5. 242 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,370 I don't know probably your class just in our hand. 243 00:10:04,420 --> 00:10:05,720 And I was like, oh, that's really sweet. 244 00:10:05,730 --> 00:10:08,250 Everything else reading book and shoved in the bag. 245 00:10:08,260 --> 00:10:10,070 Everything else, Letters shoved in the bag. 246 00:10:10,140 --> 00:10:11,670 Left their shoes in the classroom. 247 00:10:12,930 --> 00:10:15,020 But really important that we hold this because I was just 248 00:10:15,030 --> 00:10:17,520 really immediately wants to show look, look what Mr. Price made 249 00:10:17,530 --> 00:10:18,500 us look. This bookmark. 250 00:10:18,510 --> 00:10:19,600 This is Steven's face. On it. 251 00:10:19,610 --> 00:10:22,260 Ohh man, it's so good. I was thinking of starting to 252 00:10:22,270 --> 00:10:23,680 make it an incentive for reading. 253 00:10:24,390 --> 00:10:26,210 Honestly. Just like, OK, if you read three 254 00:10:26,220 --> 00:10:28,200 times a week for this whole time, you get Mr Stevens. 255 00:10:28,210 --> 00:10:31,970 But it works, yeah. Mr. Price There's a picture of 256 00:10:31,980 --> 00:10:37,550 Mr of Dylan The picture of Dylan as a baby just looking in areas 257 00:10:37,560 --> 00:10:40,290 because he's like really posed well, you must be like 2. 258 00:10:40,300 --> 00:10:42,440 Yeah, I look simultaneously 2 and 57. 259 00:10:42,450 --> 00:10:45,210 Yeah, you look like an old man, but I bet you and I was like, 260 00:10:45,220 --> 00:10:46,910 this is brilliant. So I turned them into little 261 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,710 laminated cards and made them a reward to, like, incentivize my 262 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:51,690 math. Class to do signed. 263 00:10:51,700 --> 00:10:54,150 Five of them, yeah, there was there was signed. 264 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,990 Trading guys were like 50 altogether. 265 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,730 Five were signed and it was just random. 266 00:10:57,740 --> 00:10:59,210 Like they were desperate for the signed one. 267 00:10:59,220 --> 00:11:01,180 Ohh God it was so funny. It worked though. 268 00:11:01,190 --> 00:11:02,630 They would do anything for those cards. 269 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,710 Like trading cards. It was, it was brilliant. 270 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,200 It was pretty good. But yeah, apart from that, it's 271 00:11:07,210 --> 00:11:09,820 half time, absolutely buzzing, just that half time feeling 272 00:11:09,830 --> 00:11:13,330 never, never beat that and we're getting the house done. 273 00:11:13,340 --> 00:11:15,900 That's not stressful, I guess, because we're just starting now. 274 00:11:15,910 --> 00:11:17,740 After the baby came, baby put a pause to it. 275 00:11:17,810 --> 00:11:20,580 Anyone doesn't know We moved house at the end of August, baby 276 00:11:20,590 --> 00:11:23,710 came start of October. We spent them five weeks just 277 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,410 getting house habitable for him. And then since then we've not 278 00:11:26,420 --> 00:11:29,100 done anything, finally starting to actually get some stuff done. 279 00:11:29,150 --> 00:11:32,900 So no one's interested. And before I had a house, people 280 00:11:32,910 --> 00:11:34,760 talk about house renovations. I'm like, I don't care. 281 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,150 Switched off already, yeah. So there you go. 282 00:11:38,250 --> 00:11:40,430 We're gonna have done. How's your week, Hayden? 283 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:41,960 Yes, alright, half term. Cool. 284 00:11:41,970 --> 00:11:43,890 Nice one anyway. So. 285 00:11:46,270 --> 00:11:47,420 Ohh, done. Come on. 286 00:11:47,430 --> 00:11:48,760 That's right. No, I've got one thing to. 287 00:11:48,770 --> 00:11:50,180 Say one thing better be. Good. 288 00:11:50,190 --> 00:11:51,460 This is awful because you'll be even. 289 00:11:51,470 --> 00:11:54,670 You'll feel this pain and anyone don't know feel this pain. 290 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,970 I accidentally left my independent rights at school and 291 00:11:58,980 --> 00:12:01,430 they've got to be marked like. Well, they've got to be teacher. 292 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,910 Assessed. Your your key stage two year six 293 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,660 writing. Yeah, it does. 294 00:12:06,670 --> 00:12:08,440 Interesting. Yeah, these books got marked. 295 00:12:08,490 --> 00:12:10,760 Yeah, forgot them. So that's annoying. 296 00:12:11,350 --> 00:12:13,570 So they gotta be done sometime next in the week now. 297 00:12:13,610 --> 00:12:16,660 I'm just thinking, just thinking back to start the episode where 298 00:12:16,670 --> 00:12:19,680 you said you don't smoke thing happened this week and you said 299 00:12:19,690 --> 00:12:21,780 you've got one thing, which is you left your books at home. 300 00:12:22,010 --> 00:12:23,840 I don't want to mention your girlfriends birthday trip away 301 00:12:23,850 --> 00:12:25,710 with your baby. I was going to mention that as 302 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:26,720 well. You said one thing. 303 00:12:27,110 --> 00:12:30,550 One thing about school, one other thing. 304 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,090 Getting out the way. We experience responded now by 305 00:12:34,100 --> 00:12:35,260 Port Lympne. No, we're not. 306 00:12:35,270 --> 00:12:38,770 We're not sponsored by them. But if they want to, yeah, I did 307 00:12:38,780 --> 00:12:40,590 go to Port Lymm for Lawrence birthday. 308 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,550 To Port Lympne, because we've got a lot of listeners who don't 309 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:44,010 live in this race specific area. OK. 310 00:12:45,590 --> 00:12:48,100 Not actually a zoo, is it? So, wildlife reserve? 311 00:12:48,110 --> 00:12:50,960 I don't know. It's It's a It's a posh. 312 00:12:50,970 --> 00:12:52,730 It's a posh. It's not a zoo. 313 00:12:52,770 --> 00:12:54,140 Why? What are you on about? 314 00:12:54,150 --> 00:12:56,100 It's not a zoo. Tesco Finest. 315 00:12:56,110 --> 00:12:58,100 Sorry. Tesco Finest Cakes. 316 00:12:58,250 --> 00:13:00,820 I go to Wildlife Reserves. It's nice. 317 00:13:00,990 --> 00:13:03,420 You're not gonna catch. Sorry, work case, it's not too 318 00:13:03,750 --> 00:13:05,020 lazy. When you go there, what do you 319 00:13:05,030 --> 00:13:06,600 see? Is it? 320 00:13:06,650 --> 00:13:10,020 Well, I saw a beautiful tree top bubble that we stayed in. 321 00:13:10,350 --> 00:13:13,560 It was fantastic experience. Did you take just go? 322 00:13:13,570 --> 00:13:18,460 Extra Fun is spun by Tesco Extra fillers sponge and we stayed in 323 00:13:18,470 --> 00:13:20,050 our bubble and we walked around the. 324 00:13:20,060 --> 00:13:22,250 World reserve, we need to start to look at the dividends are 325 00:13:22,330 --> 00:13:24,840 given out in our business because I don't know how you're 326 00:13:24,850 --> 00:13:27,060 you're getting all this podcast money from somewhere. 327 00:13:27,890 --> 00:13:29,370 But it was really nice. Yeah, I'm sure. 328 00:13:29,650 --> 00:13:32,680 Anyone that's nature reserve, anyone that lives. 329 00:13:34,290 --> 00:13:39,360 Excuse me, I did not go to a bloody zoo. 330 00:13:39,690 --> 00:13:44,970 I went to a nature reserve. Don't you know Ohh Like, I'm so 331 00:13:44,980 --> 00:13:48,230 sorry. I'm so nature reserve, but it's 332 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,550 a bloody bird sanctuary. I saw rhinos and everything. 333 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:53,750 Wingham Wildlife Park You and dude. 334 00:13:53,980 --> 00:13:57,200 Sorry. But very much recommend if you 335 00:13:57,210 --> 00:13:59,300 live in the South of England, do check out Portland. 336 00:13:59,310 --> 00:14:03,430 No zoos in Kent. Ohh, whatever. 337 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:04,520 Just go there. It's great. 338 00:14:04,530 --> 00:14:07,500 This is great. Yeah. 339 00:14:11,500 --> 00:14:16,870 All right, guys, take 3. It takes three. 340 00:14:17,310 --> 00:14:21,700 It's not my fault. Anyway, we really from either. 341 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,310 Stop coughing. You got a mouthful of Victoria 342 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:26,710 sponge. You trying to the podcast? 343 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,950 Sorry Tesco finest. Anyway, you guys have seen the 344 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:31,110 title before? We have because we always 345 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,590 decided the title after we film. What's the best title for this 346 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:34,870 podcast? But you get the gist. 347 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,550 It's about writing assessment so I'm trying to screw it back. 348 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,790 Hayden, you've done some research here because last night 349 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,090 I was sleeping so you've done some research whilst I was just 350 00:14:43,100 --> 00:14:47,860 chilling out and I want you to tell me, OK And although this is 351 00:14:47,870 --> 00:14:51,840 at home. Well you, Boris, what do you 352 00:14:51,850 --> 00:14:57,480 want to know? I want to know everyone at home 353 00:14:57,490 --> 00:15:00,400 who have a teacher or not. What is writing assessment? 354 00:15:00,410 --> 00:15:03,690 OK, so when you get to the end of Key stage 2, which is year 355 00:15:03,700 --> 00:15:06,480 six, we've all heard of the Sats, maths and English. 356 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,960 But there's obviously a bit missing there, which is writing. 357 00:15:08,970 --> 00:15:11,760 Because in English we're talking about tests for comprehension, 358 00:15:11,770 --> 00:15:13,590 right? And GPS, grammar, punctuation 359 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,300 and spelling. But we still need to somehow 360 00:15:15,310 --> 00:15:17,230 make sure people know where children are. 361 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,630 They're writing. So what's the history of this? 362 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:20,940 What? What the teachers have to do? 363 00:15:20,950 --> 00:15:21,970 Where? Where we ended up today. 364 00:15:21,980 --> 00:15:23,260 What's? Going like, let's just go back 365 00:15:23,270 --> 00:15:24,810 in time a bit and say in context, right? 366 00:15:24,820 --> 00:15:26,650 Because you know what? As a teacher, I didn't really 367 00:15:26,660 --> 00:15:28,370 know the full history of this. And so some of. 368 00:15:28,380 --> 00:15:30,110 You. But we qualified in 2014, right? 369 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,330 Yeah, so. Vague memories of being at 370 00:15:32,340 --> 00:15:33,350 school. Yeah, exactly. 371 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,370 So our system now is very different to probably what we 372 00:15:35,380 --> 00:15:36,400 went through primary school, right. 373 00:15:36,410 --> 00:15:38,090 OK. So right, going back in time a 374 00:15:38,100 --> 00:15:40,740 bit, 1988, the Education Reform Act which we have talked about 375 00:15:40,750 --> 00:15:41,950 before when we talked about the. Curriculum. 376 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,750 Big moment. National curriculum comes in and 377 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,130 with that comes in the the, the Sats, so the standard assessment 378 00:15:48,140 --> 00:15:50,310 tasks. I never knew what that. 379 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,870 Was standardised assessment tests, but it's not. 380 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,370 It's standard assessment tasks. Sats, right? 381 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,550 And they were like, OK, we need, we need to assess kids, we do 382 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,680 actually need to know if this national curriculum is working 383 00:15:59,690 --> 00:16:01,150 or not sure. So it kind of makes sense, 384 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,120 right? And they brought in the key 385 00:16:04,130 --> 00:16:06,920 stage 1 Sats at the end of year two and key stage 3 as well. 386 00:16:06,930 --> 00:16:09,440 So in secondary school, right. And then a few years later in 387 00:16:09,450 --> 00:16:13,060 1995, I guess when those first, that first cohort got to year 388 00:16:13,070 --> 00:16:15,420 six, yeah, would be they introduced the key stage two 389 00:16:15,430 --> 00:16:19,060 Sats, which are probably the most famous Sats really because 390 00:16:19,070 --> 00:16:21,060 later on the key stage 3 Sats were actually scrapped. 391 00:16:21,070 --> 00:16:22,720 I think we might. You might not have done it, 392 00:16:22,730 --> 00:16:24,110 actually. I think I missed. 393 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,300 It I think I was the last. Year I think I didn't do. 394 00:16:26,310 --> 00:16:29,330 It because it was like your 10 just before the GCSE these other 395 00:16:29,340 --> 00:16:30,920 tests I was like why? Why no? 396 00:16:31,110 --> 00:16:32,790 Yeah, I don't know. Actually no, because key stage 397 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,080 3. Vietnam, isn't it? 398 00:16:34,090 --> 00:16:35,040 Ohh Yeah. Nine maybe, Yeah. 399 00:16:35,050 --> 00:16:35,880 Yeah, 10, yeah. Nine. 400 00:16:35,930 --> 00:16:37,300 Yeah. And I remember doing the Sats 401 00:16:37,310 --> 00:16:38,600 there. Anyway, I think we did, yeah. 402 00:16:38,650 --> 00:16:41,420 So yeah. So 1995 key stage, two Sats come 403 00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:44,400 in. And it was interesting because 404 00:16:44,410 --> 00:16:47,640 it got boycotted massively by the unions back then because. 405 00:16:47,650 --> 00:16:48,670 It was. What was it? 406 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,480 What do you mean? What was even happening? 407 00:16:50,490 --> 00:16:53,760 Was it writing or? OK, so the Sats involved maths, 408 00:16:53,830 --> 00:16:56,770 English and science, right? So it was everything. 409 00:16:56,780 --> 00:16:58,980 So it was kind of similar to the tests we do now in. 410 00:16:58,990 --> 00:17:01,250 Math in a sit down formal. Test, sit down, formal test. 411 00:17:01,260 --> 00:17:04,210 So for writing, it was alongside the reading of things. 412 00:17:04,220 --> 00:17:07,550 For writing, they also did a sit down formal test where it was 413 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,119 like here you go, here's your prompt. 414 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,430 So it was a random genre. Here's your prompt. 415 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,349 You've got like an hour. I can't remember the timing was, 416 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,170 but it was an extended piece of writing and then that went off 417 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,599 and was externally marked just like all the other tests are 418 00:17:19,609 --> 00:17:22,329 marked. So just one piece of one piece 419 00:17:22,339 --> 00:17:23,880 of writing, one piece of extending. 420 00:17:23,890 --> 00:17:26,390 Anyone who teaches now, who wasn't around then probably 421 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,420 thinks that's crazy. It feels mad, doesn't it? 422 00:17:28,430 --> 00:17:29,230 Yeah. And there were. 423 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,670 What we're gonna look at a bit later in this episode is a 424 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,420 review that came in in 2011, which is what ended up changing 425 00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:37,510 right to what we have now. That the kind of teacher 426 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:38,680 assessment model. Yeah. 427 00:17:38,750 --> 00:17:41,400 And in that review it was saying like, this is a really flawed 428 00:17:41,510 --> 00:17:44,010 system currently because, you know, listed off a few reasons 429 00:17:44,020 --> 00:17:46,410 which we'll go into. Yeah, that's. 430 00:17:46,420 --> 00:17:47,750 Yeah, just back to the history of it. 431 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,760 So teachers. So when it all came in, the 432 00:17:49,770 --> 00:17:51,920 teachers workload went up massively. 433 00:17:51,990 --> 00:17:54,040 In what way? In in marking tests and things. 434 00:17:54,050 --> 00:17:55,360 That's a mark. All sorts of tests. 435 00:17:55,750 --> 00:17:57,250 I don't know how to mark the actual sets. 436 00:17:57,260 --> 00:17:59,920 I don't think so, but there was loads of marking involved, 437 00:17:59,990 --> 00:18:02,120 right? Which wasn't paid at the time. 438 00:18:02,130 --> 00:18:05,140 I don't really know exactly why. So maybe do you think, was it 439 00:18:05,150 --> 00:18:07,540 like the Sats were being passed around like you'd market 440 00:18:07,550 --> 00:18:08,040 different? School. 441 00:18:08,050 --> 00:18:08,450 Yeah. Yeah. 442 00:18:08,460 --> 00:18:09,710 Not sure. Not because again this. 443 00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:11,950 Again, for anyone I'm sat here listening to you like. 444 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,810 What you what do you? Mean like, can you clarify 445 00:18:13,820 --> 00:18:17,330 because I don't understand because it's crazy to think now 446 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,030 that in the year 6 Sats you'd then Mark do marketing like 447 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,390 unless you've opted in for money. 448 00:18:21,460 --> 00:18:24,690 Yeah, which is. Terrible what was, but they they 449 00:18:24,700 --> 00:18:27,930 estimated that about 44 hours of additional workload came in for 450 00:18:27,940 --> 00:18:30,070 teachers with the Sats and teachers obviously just like no, 451 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:31,540 what you talking about, why am I? 452 00:18:31,550 --> 00:18:33,510 Gonna do and it's funny because now it's about 57. 453 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,390 Yeah, 45. Now it's like, cool, that's 454 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,250 nothing. But you know, it was They tried 455 00:18:37,260 --> 00:18:38,570 to point, their unions, tried to boycott. 456 00:18:38,580 --> 00:18:40,360 The whole thing was like, no, get rid of what we doing. 457 00:18:40,370 --> 00:18:42,430 This is mental, yeah, but we need to be. 458 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:43,620 Paid. But that's really interesting 459 00:18:43,630 --> 00:18:46,120 because I think a lot of union bashing lately for people 460 00:18:46,130 --> 00:18:48,250 outside of education and stuff, and even I think inside 461 00:18:48,260 --> 00:18:51,380 education now I talked to a lot of people about the unions and 462 00:18:51,390 --> 00:18:54,560 they're a bit like, well, not enamoured by them. 463 00:18:54,570 --> 00:18:57,030 Even though gone through the strikes and stuff like, OK, 464 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,240 well, we did get this, like what are they still going about this? 465 00:19:00,250 --> 00:19:02,850 It's important to remember it's stuff like this actually in the 466 00:19:02,860 --> 00:19:06,800 past, which they've done a job, yeah, but you can't introduce 467 00:19:06,810 --> 00:19:08,560 all of this. And just like, OK, here's and 468 00:19:08,570 --> 00:19:09,640 then the unions actually stood up. 469 00:19:09,650 --> 00:19:11,960 If they hadn't done that, perhaps at the minute not, 470 00:19:11,970 --> 00:19:14,210 nothing would have changed. Still, remember reading from the 471 00:19:14,220 --> 00:19:15,340 report. I didn't write it down, but it 472 00:19:15,350 --> 00:19:18,560 said that initially they estimated an increase in teacher 473 00:19:18,570 --> 00:19:21,000 workload of like 30 hours. That's what they like budgeted 474 00:19:21,010 --> 00:19:23,400 for. I know. 475 00:19:23,410 --> 00:19:25,030 Yeah, we'll just have 30. That's fine. 476 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,340 But the budget is 0. Let's put 30 hours in, because 477 00:19:28,350 --> 00:19:29,120 yeah. That's right. 478 00:19:29,130 --> 00:19:30,850 Yeah. But it went up to about 44 in 479 00:19:30,860 --> 00:19:32,950 the review was saying to people obviously annoyed that this is 480 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,500 like it's not even, it's higher than they weren't even happy 481 00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:37,810 about the 30 hours increase. But that at least was like this 482 00:19:37,820 --> 00:19:40,700 is what it's going to be And it was more that's crazy. 483 00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:43,200 So that's what it used to be up up until around. 484 00:19:43,210 --> 00:19:47,050 So there was a review in 2011. So at this point, there's a 485 00:19:47,060 --> 00:19:50,300 there's a science test, there's a science test, an English 486 00:19:50,310 --> 00:19:52,770 reading test, an English writing testing test. 487 00:19:52,850 --> 00:19:55,090 English grammar, punctuation, spelling, writing kind of 488 00:19:55,100 --> 00:19:57,470 included some grammar, punctuation elements. 489 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,870 I think it was like a spelling test that went with it, but that 490 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:01,400 kind of encompassed. All sure. 491 00:20:01,410 --> 00:20:02,570 Sure. I believe there was even a 492 00:20:02,580 --> 00:20:04,010 speaking and listening. I think, yeah. 493 00:20:04,020 --> 00:20:05,220 Doing that, yeah. Yeah. 494 00:20:05,230 --> 00:20:07,420 Speaking, listening, that kind of just got phased out. 495 00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:08,720 That's not really anything now is it? 496 00:20:08,730 --> 00:20:11,700 No, it's just not fair. And obviously maths is just 497 00:20:11,710 --> 00:20:13,280 stayed the same. Maths, yeah, just had those just 498 00:20:13,290 --> 00:20:15,370 maths tests, which I'm sure I've slightly changed the format, but 499 00:20:15,380 --> 00:20:16,970 they've always been the same sort of thing. 500 00:20:17,210 --> 00:20:18,930 So that's what it was. That's what it was for a long 501 00:20:18,940 --> 00:20:20,350 time. So what was the issue with the 502 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:22,770 fact it was a test then? Like other than workload and 503 00:20:22,780 --> 00:20:25,130 stuff, yeah. What is the issue with there 504 00:20:25,140 --> 00:20:26,990 being a writing test? Because no one seems to have an 505 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,220 issue with being a math. Test, Right. 506 00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:30,020 So this was really interesting. So I read this review. 507 00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:33,630 It was called the Lord Bew Review in 2011. 508 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,150 The beer. Review Lord Bew sounds like some 509 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,530 nice Tesco finest. Cake. 510 00:20:36,690 --> 00:20:39,080 Yeah, I saw that name and I thought, I'll read that. 511 00:20:39,330 --> 00:20:42,260 I'm reading that. That's my that's my kind of guy. 512 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,600 My God. So I've actually wrote down what 513 00:20:47,610 --> 00:20:51,970 what he and his team assessed as like the problem, right with 514 00:20:51,980 --> 00:20:58,140 this, you know, writing sure test and first thing was too 515 00:20:58,150 --> 00:21:01,090 dependent on genre. So because it was just one piece 516 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,690 of extended writing, a lot of the complaints from schools 517 00:21:03,700 --> 00:21:06,170 were, you know, some of my kids just don't read. 518 00:21:06,180 --> 00:21:08,550 This genre doesn't really suit them, and I don't want to write. 519 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:09,970 About It's non-fiction, but they're really. 520 00:21:09,980 --> 00:21:11,640 Imaginative. Yeah, really they are. 521 00:21:11,650 --> 00:21:14,080 You know, it's potluck. What genre they got so some kids 522 00:21:14,090 --> 00:21:14,790 would perform. Better. 523 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,250 So it was really just a simple prompt where it was right a 524 00:21:18,260 --> 00:21:20,620 diary entry, and then their whole assessment for writing was 525 00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:22,810 based on that. I haven't seen an example of it, 526 00:21:22,820 --> 00:21:25,370 but that's the impression I. Get from this is that it was 527 00:21:25,380 --> 00:21:27,010 just one piece of extended writing. 528 00:21:27,310 --> 00:21:28,430 And you get a level. Yeah. 529 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:29,920 And you get level at the end of it, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 530 00:21:29,930 --> 00:21:31,790 It went off to be marked, which we'll come to in a minute. 531 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,080 So that was one thing. The next thing was it was way 532 00:21:34,090 --> 00:21:36,230 too subjective because it was external markers. 533 00:21:36,290 --> 00:21:38,800 I'm imagining it was the same system now where it's just you 534 00:21:38,810 --> 00:21:41,220 could just be an external martial can apply to be that 535 00:21:41,230 --> 00:21:42,560 usually teachers doing. It. 536 00:21:43,030 --> 00:21:46,600 One external marker. Really, really subjective there 537 00:21:46,610 --> 00:21:48,460 based on their opinions on writing. 538 00:21:48,530 --> 00:21:51,680 Yeah, because if they think, for example if they value GPS, 539 00:21:51,690 --> 00:21:54,120 grammar, punctuation and things much higher, much more highly 540 00:21:54,130 --> 00:21:57,180 than imagination, let's say. But another writer values like 541 00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:59,780 an amazing story, hooks them, and they can forgive the odd 542 00:21:59,790 --> 00:22:02,280 capital letter exactly that. They could both get the same 543 00:22:02,290 --> 00:22:03,630 level. But if. 544 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,390 It's incomparable, isn't it? Yeah. 545 00:22:05,450 --> 00:22:08,070 And again that was mentioned in the report that bias towards, 546 00:22:08,220 --> 00:22:10,470 you know, punctuation and things and some people valued more. 547 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,810 So it was a broken system and it was interesting he was comparing 548 00:22:12,820 --> 00:22:15,130 with other countries as well and saying that England was an 549 00:22:15,140 --> 00:22:17,680 anomaly because in basically everywhere else in the world at 550 00:22:17,690 --> 00:22:19,680 the time that was doing writing assessment in the same sort of 551 00:22:19,690 --> 00:22:23,090 way with an exam, there was always at least two two external 552 00:22:23,100 --> 00:22:25,190 markers not related. They're just two people 553 00:22:25,340 --> 00:22:27,870 independently market and then the kind of, you know, they look 554 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,200 amalgamation like anything from the judges for anything like 555 00:22:31,210 --> 00:22:32,920 boxing or whatever. You're not gonna have one 556 00:22:32,930 --> 00:22:34,920 person. You have a few people and then 557 00:22:34,930 --> 00:22:37,290 you look at the scores to find an average or something. 558 00:22:37,300 --> 00:22:40,020 Yeah, so that was another thing. The next one was, and I think 559 00:22:40,030 --> 00:22:42,780 this is a really fair point and it was just unrealistic that 560 00:22:42,790 --> 00:22:45,100 every single child will perform their best on that day. 561 00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:47,550 Therefore, comparisons between the children. 562 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,850 It's not really fair because some kids, they're just not 563 00:22:49,860 --> 00:22:51,440 going to produce their best piece of writing on that. 564 00:22:51,450 --> 00:22:52,770 Day. Is that not true for any test 565 00:22:52,780 --> 00:22:54,500 ever? Yeah, I guess so. 566 00:22:54,550 --> 00:22:56,480 I guess so, But I suppose at least with. 567 00:22:56,650 --> 00:22:58,650 Let's take an example lease with maths tests. 568 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,550 There are 110 questions sure for you to get an idea of their 569 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,810 maths understanding, but they might not perform their best on 570 00:23:04,820 --> 00:23:06,610 that coordinates question that day. 571 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,870 But it's not going to be the be all event and be all and end. 572 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,820 All OK, so it's not in the same way more children are likely to 573 00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:13,950 have a bad day writing than they are about their man, I guess. 574 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,950 The comparison could be if there was 7 writing assessments. 575 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,260 Sure. At least I gave one of them. 576 00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:21,320 You could look at you, but one thing they weren't doing their 577 00:23:21,330 --> 00:23:22,180 best on that day. But it wasn't. 578 00:23:22,190 --> 00:23:23,940 It was just this one opportunity to write. 579 00:23:24,110 --> 00:23:26,680 And if you didn't do your best on that day for whatever reason, 580 00:23:26,690 --> 00:23:29,070 external reasons, or you're just nervous, or just you just feel 581 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,840 sick or whatever. Like you already. 582 00:23:30,850 --> 00:23:33,510 Said, yeah, you know, it's just not fair to be like, OK, all 583 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:34,820 these, all these kids did their best. 584 00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:36,970 Let's compare them all. Yeah, so that was another thing 585 00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:39,510 and two more things. And it wasn't very reflective of 586 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:40,820 the writing process and it still isn't. 587 00:23:40,830 --> 00:23:42,680 Now, if you think about the writing process, if you're in 588 00:23:42,690 --> 00:23:46,720 schools, how often do you actually to get an assessed 589 00:23:46,730 --> 00:23:48,760 piece of writing? Do you just go to the kids 5 590 00:23:48,770 --> 00:23:50,470 minutes before they do it right is what you doing, guys. 591 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,970 You're gonna write a newspaper report and it's gonna be on 592 00:23:53,980 --> 00:23:54,580 this. Off you go. 593 00:23:54,590 --> 00:23:57,260 I'm going to assess this piece of writing you just wouldn't 594 00:23:57,270 --> 00:23:58,640 like. Some schools do cold writes, 595 00:23:58,650 --> 00:24:00,330 don't they? The start of a unit. 596 00:24:00,340 --> 00:24:03,080 They'll do a bit of writing like that to then show them on the 597 00:24:03,090 --> 00:24:04,660 progress 3 weeks later or whatever. 598 00:24:04,810 --> 00:24:06,900 But as a final piece, you don't do that. 599 00:24:06,940 --> 00:24:09,160 And finally it was just and I'm glad they mentioned this. 600 00:24:09,170 --> 00:24:11,290 It's just hard to mark it literally just said. 601 00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:13,140 It's just really difficult to mark writing. 602 00:24:13,730 --> 00:24:15,960 And put it in a box. We find that now. 603 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:18,550 We're gonna talk about it later and how it's moved and like 604 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:19,650 what? What it's gone to. 605 00:24:19,690 --> 00:24:22,610 Umm, but it I find that tricky now. 606 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,400 I find I find that really hard. So, OK, there's no, there's new 607 00:24:26,410 --> 00:24:27,420 systems. Introduced. 608 00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:29,210 Yeah, right, Following that review, by the way. 609 00:24:29,220 --> 00:24:30,260 So that review came. Out. 610 00:24:30,270 --> 00:24:31,930 So it was accepted and it was widely different. 611 00:24:31,940 --> 00:24:34,560 OK fine. So this this new system comes 612 00:24:34,570 --> 00:24:36,300 in. I've spoken to people who were 613 00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:38,440 around when it moved. OK right. 614 00:24:38,450 --> 00:24:41,880 And and they say ah, but thank goodness they got rid of the old 615 00:24:41,890 --> 00:24:44,000 way. So as teachers who have 616 00:24:44,010 --> 00:24:46,880 qualified a bit later and only know teacher assessment, which 617 00:24:46,890 --> 00:24:49,590 is away from the external test, and we'll talk about what it is 618 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,740 now in a second. But before we do, I know for a 619 00:24:52,750 --> 00:24:55,560 fact that move from a tested assessment with one person. 620 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:56,990 I can get him out here. Yeah. 621 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,270 To a more wholesome teacher assessment project. 622 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,090 Right. From the person who teaches them 623 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,970 over time, you're with them every day. 624 00:25:03,020 --> 00:25:04,810 That was seen as a really good move. 625 00:25:04,820 --> 00:25:06,570 Yeah. So whatever we're about to say 626 00:25:06,580 --> 00:25:09,850 now, in terms of how the system is, I don't think that the 627 00:25:09,860 --> 00:25:11,780 answer will be to go back to the old system. 628 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,110 So it's really interesting then what we see today. 629 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:18,050 Then we're gonna compare it with what you're about to tell us. 630 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,830 What was supposed to happen. What was it supposed to look 631 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,010 like when? It was just, before I say that 632 00:25:23,020 --> 00:25:25,130 one little point to make because I thought it was really 633 00:25:25,140 --> 00:25:29,020 interesting in this same report that was suggesting we moved to 634 00:25:29,030 --> 00:25:31,120 teacher assessment of writing over time. 635 00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:34,320 It was also, as a good report would do, it was kind of 636 00:25:34,330 --> 00:25:36,120 highlighting the flaws of potential flaws of that as well. 637 00:25:36,130 --> 00:25:37,920 Yeah, and it was. And it was just saying there is 638 00:25:37,930 --> 00:25:40,370 just one issue with teacher assessment and that is just the 639 00:25:40,380 --> 00:25:42,080 reliability of it. If you've got thousands of 640 00:25:42,090 --> 00:25:44,460 teachers across the country and it's supposed to be a 641 00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:48,090 standardised like testing system, it's there's going to 642 00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:49,290 be. Some it's not going to solve 643 00:25:49,300 --> 00:25:51,340 that issue of it being hard to mark and. 644 00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:52,820 Judge and I thought this was really interesting. 645 00:25:52,830 --> 00:25:53,870 I think you'll find this interesting. 646 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,460 I just hadn't thought of this before. 647 00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:58,130 And one of the one of the points they made in the review was that 648 00:25:58,140 --> 00:26:02,210 studies had shown that minorities, yeah, had what under 649 00:26:02,220 --> 00:26:04,030 assessed compared to white counterparts. 650 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,430 What? When was the country in which? 651 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,560 In English writing. During the test or after the 652 00:26:08,570 --> 00:26:10,270 test moved? No, sorry. 653 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,260 They were doing some studies on teacher assessment before 654 00:26:12,270 --> 00:26:13,690 they've done the changes, right. OK. 655 00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:16,400 Because some teacher assessment was already happening and they 656 00:26:16,410 --> 00:26:18,550 were doing studies on it and they were showing in order to be 657 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,700 able to say let's move to teach basically had to see it was 658 00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:22,060 exactly that. And they were seeing there was 659 00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:24,110 actually already an unfair bias. Sure. 660 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,160 With minorities. With minorities. 661 00:26:26,170 --> 00:26:28,000 And that was really. Interesting said, well known 662 00:26:28,010 --> 00:26:30,480 thing with job applications and stuff now. 663 00:26:30,490 --> 00:26:34,020 Yeah, you you've got to the systems and stuff that big 664 00:26:34,030 --> 00:26:36,860 companies buy into where it's completely anonymised. 665 00:26:36,910 --> 00:26:38,640 Yeah. And and you don't see the name 666 00:26:38,650 --> 00:26:40,820 and stuff because it's it's just proven beyond doubt. 667 00:26:40,930 --> 00:26:42,730 You know, there's some people out there who get red in the 668 00:26:42,740 --> 00:26:45,140 face when anyone mentions there's racism in the world, 669 00:26:45,210 --> 00:26:47,560 like, ohh there. Is unconscious bias racism as 670 00:26:47,570 --> 00:26:49,020 well, that kind of stuff? He Does he? 671 00:26:49,030 --> 00:26:50,620 Caught. It exists, and it's been proven 672 00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:54,120 time and time again that if you see a name where you can 673 00:26:54,130 --> 00:26:57,910 associate that with an ethnicity, that same CV with a 674 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,270 name which you associate with a more traditional British English 675 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,470 white name. Hmm. 676 00:27:01,580 --> 00:27:03,790 More often than not they go for the traditional English white 677 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,230 name. Yeah, unconsciously not. 678 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,280 Not saying someone sat there being horribly racist with their 679 00:27:08,290 --> 00:27:10,780 mind, I'm gonna be horrible. There might be, there might be. 680 00:27:10,790 --> 00:27:13,530 But also, even if they're not consciously doing it, it's still 681 00:27:13,540 --> 00:27:15,580 a huge problem. And if we're going to move to 682 00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:17,360 teacher assessment, you need to be aware of that. 683 00:27:17,370 --> 00:27:19,200 That's really. Super interesting because I'd 684 00:27:19,210 --> 00:27:21,050 never really heard that argument made before. 685 00:27:21,060 --> 00:27:23,530 Yeah, with teacher assessment. Right, Yeah. 686 00:27:23,540 --> 00:27:25,010 And the second thing was, this is really interesting. 687 00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:26,550 Probably laugh. We're gonna talk about this a 688 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,660 lot later. The teachers, there's there's a 689 00:27:28,670 --> 00:27:30,540 chance teachers will make generous assessments. 690 00:27:30,610 --> 00:27:33,700 Yeah, if the pressure increases under increasing pressure to 691 00:27:33,710 --> 00:27:36,760 like. Perform guys TuneIn for this 692 00:27:36,770 --> 00:27:39,740 whole episode, please, because we're gonna have a long chat I 693 00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:42,900 think, at the end of this episode about why that might be 694 00:27:42,910 --> 00:27:44,580 a problem and what we've seen, I think. 695 00:27:44,590 --> 00:27:47,680 And more hard, I guess. The answer to this, I guess from 696 00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:50,700 their point of view was OK, we need some sort of moderation, 697 00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:53,690 then we need to moderate. Writing if we bring in teacher 698 00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:56,250 assessment. Need to moderate? 699 00:27:56,260 --> 00:27:58,490 Let's look then what? What it's supposed to be, then. 700 00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:00,270 So they get rid of the test. Yeah. 701 00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:02,680 And this report comes out and says, OK, look, we've looked at 702 00:28:02,690 --> 00:28:04,070 the drawbacks of teacher assessment. 703 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,760 Yeah, we need to make sure all of this is involved. 704 00:28:05,770 --> 00:28:08,110 And no problem. We're going to move now away 705 00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:11,630 from a test to this new system where the teacher decides what 706 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,240 level the children are at. Here's what it should look like. 707 00:28:14,250 --> 00:28:16,780 So what did they say at the time, 2011? 708 00:28:16,790 --> 00:28:18,690 I'm going to read this. I'm going to summarise it. 709 00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:20,750 I'm going to read this to you. I thought it was so interesting 710 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,610 I copied and pasted it here. So 2 paragraphs. 711 00:28:23,620 --> 00:28:25,340 Can you read it in the voice of what you think? 712 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,810 Now button kind of OK stop doing it. 713 00:28:29,820 --> 00:28:31,890 Nothing it. Would never do that. 714 00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:34,470 First off, you're like this bit, OK? 715 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:35,670 And then this. This is the juicy bit. 716 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:36,840 Alright, here we go. Ready. 717 00:28:36,980 --> 00:28:37,590 Yes. Read it. 718 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:38,090 Get. Sorry. 719 00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:39,050 Get comfortable. So long old. 720 00:28:39,060 --> 00:28:41,080 Read coming up. I like that they put this in and 721 00:28:41,090 --> 00:28:42,670 I knew you'd like it, which is why did it did. 722 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,410 However, there is much more to her writing than spelling, 723 00:28:45,420 --> 00:28:48,030 punctuation, grammar, vocabulary and handwriting. 724 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,990 OK. And we believe writing 725 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,350 composition in a wide range of formats for different purposes 726 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,870 and audience should also be a core part of the statutory 727 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,250 assessment of writing this. This was in a chunk where I was 728 00:28:59,260 --> 00:29:02,480 talking about the reliability of. 729 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,460 Basically teachers were assessing the writing, but some 730 00:29:05,470 --> 00:29:08,340 were just basing it on SPAG GPS, some were basing it on the 731 00:29:08,350 --> 00:29:10,500 creativity. And it was like, can we accept 732 00:29:10,510 --> 00:29:12,360 that there is more to writing than being able to put the 733 00:29:12,370 --> 00:29:13,270 commas in the right place? But. 734 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,300 Here's the problem we're going to talk about later, so I don't 735 00:29:15,310 --> 00:29:18,720 get too much into it, but as soon as you open up creativity, 736 00:29:18,770 --> 00:29:21,280 as it should be, as it should be, by the way. 737 00:29:21,330 --> 00:29:23,860 But as soon as you open that can of worms to say we should also 738 00:29:23,870 --> 00:29:27,120 be judging the creativity of their writing, it's so, like, 739 00:29:27,130 --> 00:29:28,340 subjective. Yeah, it's hard. 740 00:29:28,410 --> 00:29:30,660 It's really, really hard. Which is why we always fall back 741 00:29:30,670 --> 00:29:31,580 into. Not exactly. 742 00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:33,280 So we'll talk about later what it sounded. 743 00:29:33,820 --> 00:29:35,680 What should it look? Here's the juice I've been 744 00:29:35,690 --> 00:29:38,230 asking you for 10 minutes now. This is what should it look. 745 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,790 This is the summary. This is it. 746 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,640 This is what they suggested. And I read this and I thought, 747 00:29:41,650 --> 00:29:44,030 wow, is this like, now you should keep telling me what you 748 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,540 thought I'm building up. This is called tension, Lord, 749 00:29:48,550 --> 00:29:49,380 Beer. Suspense. 750 00:29:49,390 --> 00:29:50,150 Here we go. Ready. 751 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,510 Yeah. We do not wish the moderation 752 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,050 process to impose additional burdens on teachers. 753 00:29:57,470 --> 00:30:00,020 We do not feel it would be helpful or appropriate for 754 00:30:00,030 --> 00:30:04,320 schools to create portfolios of work or specially prepared 755 00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:07,660 showpiece examples. We believe it would be most 756 00:30:07,670 --> 00:30:10,720 appropriate for moderation to review exercise books and other 757 00:30:10,730 --> 00:30:14,840 examples of marked written work marked written marked of a range 758 00:30:14,850 --> 00:30:18,420 of purposes for a range of purposes taken from the whole 759 00:30:18,430 --> 00:30:20,870 teaching year. This could include written work 760 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,810 from other subjects as well as English. 761 00:30:23,050 --> 00:30:26,140 If moderators review marked work produced in the course of 762 00:30:26,150 --> 00:30:29,290 everyday teaching in year six, together with the teachers 763 00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:33,150 associated comments really clear here, they will get a strong 764 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,770 sense both of the pupils attainment and the teachers 765 00:30:35,780 --> 00:30:38,330 assessment skill. Yeah, without creating any 766 00:30:38,340 --> 00:30:40,960 additional workload. Yeah, we feel it may also be 767 00:30:40,970 --> 00:30:43,730 helpful for moderators to have the option of meeting the pupils 768 00:30:43,900 --> 00:30:46,890 whose work they have. Reviewed Wow, Right Can I? 769 00:30:47,670 --> 00:30:49,930 Supposed to be? Can I summarise quickly here? 770 00:30:49,980 --> 00:30:52,440 Because the the gist I'm getting from this is to correct me if 771 00:30:52,450 --> 00:30:54,610 I'm wrong. From you reading that, to me, 772 00:30:54,700 --> 00:30:58,170 the idea is that we're going to assess teachers to assess the 773 00:30:58,180 --> 00:30:59,980 writing. Yeah, don't do anything 774 00:30:59,990 --> 00:31:01,430 differently. You continue to teach your 775 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,970 children writing throughout the year. 776 00:31:03,140 --> 00:31:06,110 At the end of the year, pick up their exercise book, look at 777 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,470 everything they've produced and done. 778 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,460 Yep. And then come to an assessment 779 00:31:09,470 --> 00:31:13,030 where it's like, OK, well, cool. If I'm moderating this now, I 780 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,200 can see the teachers picked up capital letters at the start of 781 00:31:15,210 --> 00:31:17,550 the year, full stops. And I can see that's moved a bit 782 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,990 across here. This person still working on 783 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,090 maybe putting clauses together with conjunctions or maybe even 784 00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:25,460 stretching their right and with semicolons and really pushing 785 00:31:25,470 --> 00:31:27,840 their punctuation. But also I can see, yeah, we've 786 00:31:27,850 --> 00:31:30,180 done a lovely diary entry here and then they've moved on to a 787 00:31:30,190 --> 00:31:33,320 nonfiction, non chronological report and I can see here a 788 00:31:33,330 --> 00:31:34,730 newspaper report. That's really tricky. 789 00:31:34,740 --> 00:31:36,890 The transferable skills. Yeah, I can, I can see coming 790 00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:39,780 across here all these things. So like a holistic approach, 791 00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:41,450 which is just looking at the year that they've been? 792 00:31:41,460 --> 00:31:42,700 Given to the child a bit as well. 793 00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:44,660 Yeah, talk to child, talk to the teacher. 794 00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:47,220 Really holistic. I don't want to see these 795 00:31:47,230 --> 00:31:50,660 published pieces of work in this special book where the teacher 796 00:31:50,670 --> 00:31:52,650 hasn't touched it. I just want to look at their 797 00:31:52,660 --> 00:31:54,980 book because it doesn't need to be extra work guys. 798 00:31:55,090 --> 00:31:58,590 You don't need to go home and spend your half term, you know, 799 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,230 doing this, doing a basically a moderation every single time you 800 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:02,650 mark. Yeah, they're independent 801 00:32:02,660 --> 00:32:04,190 writing. Yeah, just just teach them 802 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,320 English and then we'll just look at their whole book of because 803 00:32:06,330 --> 00:32:09,230 I'm professional enough to look at that writing and know when 804 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,460 it's the kids handwriting and know when it's the teacher 805 00:32:11,470 --> 00:32:13,490 suggesting to do something. I'm not stupid. 806 00:32:13,540 --> 00:32:15,650 I can see when the kids have done it themselves. 807 00:32:15,850 --> 00:32:18,060 Because they wrote it, it's really weird because all the 808 00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:20,430 work in between they're independent rights is terrible, 809 00:32:20,740 --> 00:32:22,500 but when it comes to their big right, it's really good. 810 00:32:22,510 --> 00:32:23,650 So yeah, look at the whole. Book. 811 00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:25,040 OK, so that's really interesting. 812 00:32:25,050 --> 00:32:26,950 So that's what it should have looked like. 813 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,090 Yeah. OK, so I guess my point here is 814 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,010 what kind of so that that came in cool. 815 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,730 Obviously we know over time it's been eroded and the pressure has 816 00:32:37,740 --> 00:32:39,350 increased like they said it was gonna be. 817 00:32:39,540 --> 00:32:43,090 I want to talk firstly about this whole idea of independent 818 00:32:43,100 --> 00:32:45,450 writing. So what we've seen here in the 819 00:32:45,460 --> 00:32:47,990 suggestion in the lobbies report over a decade ago now, just over 820 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,550 a decade, is you simply teach writing. 821 00:32:50,940 --> 00:32:55,970 Writing is really complicated. Writing I think, is the hardest 822 00:32:55,980 --> 00:32:59,070 thing to teach children well, and the hardest thing to get 823 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,500 really good work out of the children you're teaching them. 824 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,550 You can model things and you can follow processes and you can 825 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,840 have these kind of crutches to go onto. 826 00:33:06,850 --> 00:33:09,090 And once you kind of you know how to add, you know how to add. 827 00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:11,130 Once you know how to work out the mean average, you know how 828 00:33:11,140 --> 00:33:14,610 to work out the mean average. Practise with with English 829 00:33:14,620 --> 00:33:16,970 comprehension. Even reading, reading, reading 830 00:33:16,980 --> 00:33:19,080 clarify meaning. That's harder than maths, 831 00:33:19,090 --> 00:33:21,130 reading comprehension. Because you can't teach children 832 00:33:21,140 --> 00:33:23,440 what all of the words mean. You can't teach children all of 833 00:33:23,450 --> 00:33:26,060 the spellings are you can do spelling rules, you can teach 834 00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:28,810 them ways of trying to work out what a word might mean. 835 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,670 You can teach them retrieval skills. 836 00:33:30,740 --> 00:33:32,730 Cool. When it comes to writing. 837 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,860 Hmm. It's really hard. 838 00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:38,700 Because suddenly we need to judge them on independent 839 00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:41,400 writing. We need to see what these 840 00:33:41,410 --> 00:33:44,780 children can do themselves when they sit and write. 841 00:33:44,790 --> 00:33:47,200 That makes sense. Of course we're going to assess 842 00:33:47,210 --> 00:33:48,960 children what they can do. When I'm saying to them, telling 843 00:33:48,970 --> 00:33:50,970 them what to do, that's completely pointless. 844 00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:53,950 It's really hard to do that though. 845 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,250 I just want to get that across to people. 846 00:33:55,260 --> 00:33:57,690 It's it's really hard to get good writing. 847 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:03,610 So is this system now because of teacher assessment? 848 00:34:03,660 --> 00:34:09,010 Do you think that has directly caused a an an increase in 849 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,620 teachers being generous with their assessment teachers being 850 00:34:12,630 --> 00:34:16,310 stressed teachers basically. And the overall point of this 851 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,850 section I want to be is how independent is their independent 852 00:34:19,860 --> 00:34:25,139 writing at the minute? I think it's a totally, totally 853 00:34:25,150 --> 00:34:28,590 broken system, right? I read the review and I felt I 854 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,560 almost forgot that this 2024 and I thought I was back in 2011. 855 00:34:31,650 --> 00:34:33,780 I read that review last night and I thought, this is really 856 00:34:33,790 --> 00:34:35,580 good. Yeah, I actually like this. 857 00:34:35,590 --> 00:34:37,679 I like what this was suggesting and I think this was a massively 858 00:34:37,690 --> 00:34:40,159 positive change. I just don't think it happened 859 00:34:40,409 --> 00:34:45,040 because that what I just read there is not the not the reality 860 00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:46,969 right now. That's not how things happen. 861 00:34:46,980 --> 00:34:49,159 You know, you, you, you go around to a school, the chances 862 00:34:49,170 --> 00:34:51,670 are they do have these, what do they call it? 863 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,150 Showpiece examples. Specially prepared showpiece 864 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,880 examples in a separate book. They do have them. 865 00:34:56,929 --> 00:35:01,160 But but OK, explain to people then why do they have these 866 00:35:01,170 --> 00:35:05,200 published bits of work? It's honestly the harsh, really 867 00:35:05,210 --> 00:35:09,180 harsh reality of that is, is so that they can further assess 868 00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:11,600 their children. That is the only reason. 869 00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:13,780 It's not because, Oh yeah, because we really value our 870 00:35:13,790 --> 00:35:15,540 children rewriting all of their work again. 871 00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:17,560 Because you think about it, it's almost a complete. 872 00:35:17,570 --> 00:35:19,950 Waste of schools. Schools, I think, try to, when 873 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,050 they try to convince themselves that they're not doing the wrong 874 00:35:22,060 --> 00:35:25,210 thing, they do try to say things like ohh because it's great for 875 00:35:25,220 --> 00:35:27,630 the children, because they get to see they're finished writing, 876 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,630 all published, all nicely, get don't care. 877 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,520 No, I've never met a kid in my life. 878 00:35:31,530 --> 00:35:33,770 That cared about that, Can I, can I talk about the process 879 00:35:33,780 --> 00:35:35,100 with a published piece of work? Yeah. 880 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,650 So very clearly here what we're supposed to do is just teach 881 00:35:37,660 --> 00:35:40,550 kids writing. It says explicitly look for, 882 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,490 look for a teacher, comments and assessment. 883 00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:45,170 Because we can see how well the teachers can give feedback. 884 00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:47,570 And also you can use the teachers feedback to see whether 885 00:35:47,870 --> 00:35:48,960 they're doing as well. That's the. 886 00:35:48,970 --> 00:35:52,110 Point and has been edited by them, given the teacher 887 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,470 feedback. Because, yeah, it's independent 888 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,100 writing. They're in the room still. 889 00:35:55,170 --> 00:35:57,150 Yeah, you know, we're still gonna help the children to 890 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,740 achieve well, but they still need to do it. 891 00:35:58,930 --> 00:36:00,840 But with a published piece of work. 892 00:36:00,850 --> 00:36:02,960 And you're probably if you're sat at home working in a school, 893 00:36:02,970 --> 00:36:04,300 you probably know exactly what I'm gonna say. 894 00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:06,120 And if you don't, this is what happens in schools. 895 00:36:06,130 --> 00:36:09,600 This is what when you see rule writings, everyone's expected at 896 00:36:09,610 --> 00:36:10,940 writing, everyone's expected level. 897 00:36:11,150 --> 00:36:14,180 It's because this is happening. There is no school in the land, 898 00:36:14,190 --> 00:36:17,360 in my opinion, where completely independent in the land, in the 899 00:36:17,370 --> 00:36:19,820 land, they're completely independently. 900 00:36:19,870 --> 00:36:22,580 A whole class of children are meeting the expected standard in 901 00:36:22,590 --> 00:36:24,260 writing. The expected standard in 902 00:36:24,270 --> 00:36:25,770 writing. Incredibly hard to get. 903 00:36:25,780 --> 00:36:28,140 It's the hardest of all of. Them Why is the expected 904 00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:30,530 standard of writing now so stupidly high? 905 00:36:30,540 --> 00:36:31,920 We'll. Talk about that in one second. 906 00:36:31,930 --> 00:36:33,380 But what happens when they publish? 907 00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:36,520 Yeah, this is what happens. Children will write a piece of 908 00:36:36,530 --> 00:36:39,010 writing. OK, it might be that they've 909 00:36:39,020 --> 00:36:41,580 been given a prompt. It might be that on the 910 00:36:41,590 --> 00:36:43,600 whiteboard there's loads of sentence starters. 911 00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:47,240 It might be that next to them on their table is an entire example 912 00:36:47,250 --> 00:36:48,920 of what they're supposed to be writing, where they can 913 00:36:48,930 --> 00:36:51,080 constantly look at it and just change the words around a bit 914 00:36:51,090 --> 00:36:53,670 and make it their own and kind of change their theme. 915 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,230 Maybe that's a non quality report and lizards and they're 916 00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:58,990 gonna write a non chronological report and sloths and they can 917 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,830 get a lot of the sentence structures and copy them into 918 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,730 their book. And then once that's written, 919 00:37:02,820 --> 00:37:07,190 the teacher can painstakingly be forced to go through that like a 920 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,680 fine tooth comb and get everything that's wrong with 921 00:37:10,690 --> 00:37:13,000 that piece of work. Writing it, cross it out, 922 00:37:13,060 --> 00:37:15,400 rewrite it, put the right thing here. 923 00:37:15,410 --> 00:37:17,110 Why don't you try this sentence starter? 924 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,490 Fix all of these full stops. You've got no capital letters 925 00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:22,150 for common nouns in there. Why don't you extend this 926 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,790 sentence with this and write the end of a sentence completely 927 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,190 right all over it. Ohh gosh no. 928 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,130 The moderator can't see that though because it's my work now 929 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,950 it's it's the teachers work. So maybe we could get the 930 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,750 children to publish. Yes cause publishing is 931 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,150 brilliant for the children and it's not a complete waste of a 932 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,120 lesson just to get them to copy out the teachers work which 933 00:37:41,130 --> 00:37:43,270 they've written down. Yes, let's get them to publish 934 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,690 it in a publishing Dylan. And then the moderator can only 935 00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:47,370 look at the publishing. Yes, we won't take the other 936 00:37:47,380 --> 00:37:48,650 book. No, let's not take the finished 937 00:37:48,660 --> 00:37:49,760 work. We don't want to show them. 938 00:37:49,770 --> 00:37:51,570 No. Yeah, wanna showed that with 939 00:37:51,580 --> 00:37:53,970 completely cheated, which is, which is what it is. 940 00:37:53,980 --> 00:37:58,380 It's cheating the class teacher and I've heard stories, Hayden. 941 00:37:58,450 --> 00:38:00,600 Luckily I've not been involved in anything like this 942 00:38:00,610 --> 00:38:02,860 personally. I've heard stories from people 943 00:38:03,350 --> 00:38:07,310 where they have been forced to literally take all of the books 944 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,160 home. Yeah, by SLT who are desperate 945 00:38:10,170 --> 00:38:11,540 for the good scores to come along. 946 00:38:11,610 --> 00:38:14,310 And I will say this, we we bashed SLT sometimes and I do 947 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,280 feel bad because there are some amazing leaders out there. 948 00:38:16,350 --> 00:38:17,670 We work right now with some people. 949 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,420 I would never want to do that at all with them. 950 00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:22,100 But you hear horror stories. I will say though with writing 951 00:38:22,110 --> 00:38:24,640 it is really widespread. This is very common and the 952 00:38:24,650 --> 00:38:27,310 extremes of it is they get forced to take their books. 953 00:38:27,590 --> 00:38:31,900 This is a person I knew of who trained with me and had to 954 00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:36,330 literally type up, rewrite that every piece of work from the 955 00:38:36,340 --> 00:38:39,760 writing that was in the work. Fix it, write up, type it, print 956 00:38:39,770 --> 00:38:43,210 it, give it to the children and say OK here you go, I fixed 957 00:38:43,220 --> 00:38:44,860 everything. The children would have to sit 958 00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:46,590 there and copy it into their. Publishing as well, so they 959 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,460 could say that the. Kids, So they so that they could 960 00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:51,220 then go to the moderator and say, look, no teacher writing, 961 00:38:51,230 --> 00:38:54,280 it's completely the work of the children, Totally independent. 962 00:38:54,330 --> 00:38:55,630 Yeah. And if they took their work, 963 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,080 which they took in the first place. 964 00:38:57,550 --> 00:38:59,910 Nowhere near it. And and this fudging is a 965 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,950 constant cycle because if one score does it, Oh my God they're 966 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,440 scores are amazing. OK, well we need to do 967 00:39:04,450 --> 00:39:06,050 something. We're gonna have to put post it 968 00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:08,150 notes in their book every single time there's a mistake. 969 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,730 And then and then ohh, you know what's great about post it? 970 00:39:10,740 --> 00:39:13,340 Note we can rip them out at the end and it looks like the kids 971 00:39:13,350 --> 00:39:15,430 did it themselves. Yeah, it's cheating. 972 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,990 They're cheating is so widespread. 973 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,210 In this writing, moderation, it's just normalised now as 974 00:39:19,220 --> 00:39:20,410 well. You know, I've been to lots of 975 00:39:20,420 --> 00:39:22,610 writing moderations and it is totally normalised. 976 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,160 When I see now, I actually refuse to do it. 977 00:39:25,170 --> 00:39:27,050 Now I don't care. I think the rules are stupid and 978 00:39:27,060 --> 00:39:29,200 I'll sit there and justify moderation every single time I 979 00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:30,520 write in that book. Every single time. 980 00:39:30,530 --> 00:39:31,790 Yeah, I'll write all over their work. 981 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,500 I'll give them feedback every single time because that's how 982 00:39:34,510 --> 00:39:35,490 they learn. Yeah. 983 00:39:35,550 --> 00:39:37,650 So whenever I see now in moderation, which is basically 984 00:39:37,660 --> 00:39:40,740 every single book from anyone else, when I look at their work 985 00:39:40,750 --> 00:39:42,900 and their last eight bits of independent writing have got no 986 00:39:42,910 --> 00:39:44,680 teacher comments on them or anything. 987 00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:48,480 I'm like ohh so they just they just what they just knew what 988 00:39:48,490 --> 00:39:49,360 to. Do they? 989 00:39:49,490 --> 00:39:50,590 Would you have? Of course. 990 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,220 You've given them feedback, yeah. 991 00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:54,280 The fact that you haven't given them feedback in the book, like 992 00:39:54,290 --> 00:39:56,690 you would do for every other subject ever, means that you've 993 00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:58,320 actively thought, I won't do that. 994 00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,490 That's cheating. I'll hide it. 995 00:39:59,540 --> 00:40:02,050 I'll hide the marking and I'll do it some other way. 996 00:40:02,060 --> 00:40:03,880 It's it's obvious. It's obvious. 997 00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:05,020 Yeah. And a lot of you probably 998 00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:06,740 listening right now. And I wouldn't be surprised 999 00:40:06,750 --> 00:40:09,190 we're not having a go at you. I wouldn't be surprised if 1000 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,660 you're if you're a year six teacher, particularly if you do 1001 00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:14,060 something like this and it probably wasn't even your idea. 1002 00:40:14,070 --> 00:40:15,770 And you probably at first thought, this is stupid and 1003 00:40:15,780 --> 00:40:17,630 taking up loads of my time, but you do it anyway because that's 1004 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:18,610 what everyone does. Yeah. 1005 00:40:18,660 --> 00:40:20,980 And, you know, I've, you know, I've worked in year six for many 1006 00:40:20,990 --> 00:40:22,850 years. I've seen many different systems 1007 00:40:22,860 --> 00:40:24,690 of doing these things. And I've seen a lot. 1008 00:40:24,700 --> 00:40:27,160 And I've met lots of teachers in lots of schools who have all 1009 00:40:27,170 --> 00:40:28,660 these crazy fun ways of cheating. 1010 00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:30,350 Every single person justifies it. 1011 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:31,630 Yeah. Ohh no, no no no. 1012 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,670 It's for this is that I do post it notes to their work. 1013 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,450 Not covered in no it's not. You don't post it notes so that 1014 00:40:36,460 --> 00:40:38,200 you can take them out and pretend that they did that. 1015 00:40:38,210 --> 00:40:39,840 Themselves. So very quick clarification. 1016 00:40:39,850 --> 00:40:42,100 The way that moderation process works for anyone who's wondering 1017 00:40:42,110 --> 00:40:45,090 right now is it's not like every single book ever goes to a 1018 00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:47,170 moderator and the moderator picks what, what level? 1019 00:40:47,180 --> 00:40:50,970 They're so schools systematically. 1020 00:40:50,980 --> 00:40:53,090 And you know what, Why wouldn't you do this? 1021 00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:55,390 I suppose it's it's it's less cheating than what we've just 1022 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,230 talked about in the book. But a lot of schools will. 1023 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,700 I'll go back to the start. Schools will look at their year 1024 00:41:01,710 --> 00:41:05,500 six children as they're writing and the teachers will almost 1025 00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:08,580 always do some self moderation. So all the year six teachers 1026 00:41:08,590 --> 00:41:09,920 might come in. If you're in a small school, 1027 00:41:09,930 --> 00:41:11,620 maybe you'll get other schools to come in and bring their 1028 00:41:11,630 --> 00:41:12,930 books. This is not an official 1029 00:41:12,940 --> 00:41:15,180 moderation. Yeah, this is simply a simply a 1030 00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:16,570 practise and this is good practise. 1031 00:41:16,580 --> 00:41:18,820 This is a good thing to do, is to look at other schools, look 1032 00:41:18,830 --> 00:41:21,950 at other classes get together and really show where your 1033 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,360 levels are. Because as a teacher we need to 1034 00:41:24,370 --> 00:41:26,290 assess children who are below key stage. 1035 00:41:26,610 --> 00:41:29,020 We need to assess children who are working towards the key 1036 00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:31,100 stage level. We need to assess children who 1037 00:41:31,110 --> 00:41:33,010 are expected, where they should be for writing. 1038 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,470 And we need to also have a bar for where children are greater 1039 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,490 depth they're exceeding they're amazing writers. 1040 00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:42,010 So there's four levels to think about really, and and the bar 1041 00:41:42,060 --> 00:41:46,910 for where children have to be to be expected where they should be 1042 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,660 in year six is so much higher than any bar for any other 1043 00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:53,250 lesson. For any other piece of work to 1044 00:41:53,260 --> 00:41:56,610 be expected in maths, you've got to be a decent mathematician. 1045 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,310 You can get expected in maths if you're really good at arithmetic 1046 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,640 and get the odd reasoning question. 1047 00:42:00,650 --> 00:42:04,300 It it's you know it, it's you can be a fine, you can be an OK 1048 00:42:04,310 --> 00:42:07,940 mathematician and get expected. For reading, again, you need to 1049 00:42:07,950 --> 00:42:10,240 be able to read and understand the text, but if you can read 1050 00:42:10,250 --> 00:42:12,060 and understand the text, you're probably going to get to 1051 00:42:12,070 --> 00:42:14,100 expected. Level and the threshold for the 1052 00:42:14,110 --> 00:42:16,200 Sats is normally like half the marks. 1053 00:42:16,510 --> 00:42:18,330 You just need to show that you got a good understanding. 1054 00:42:18,340 --> 00:42:20,140 Exactly. So you know reaching expected in 1055 00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:21,490 those. If you're not reaching expected 1056 00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:24,020 in those, it's got to be for a. Reason. 1057 00:42:24,030 --> 00:42:26,420 And it is actually a genuine indication of OK, you are, you 1058 00:42:26,430 --> 00:42:28,810 are sort of below the standard of writing, yeah. 1059 00:42:28,850 --> 00:42:30,650 And I'm just going to go to jump in here. 1060 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:32,400 You know, you're you're a year six teacher. 1061 00:42:32,450 --> 00:42:35,610 Oh my God, I I am not exaggerating when I say this and 1062 00:42:35,620 --> 00:42:38,200 I've said this for years. I think the expected level for 1063 00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:42,240 writing that bar that is set should be equivalent for leaving 1064 00:42:42,250 --> 00:42:44,340 secondary school, leaving second. 1065 00:42:44,350 --> 00:42:48,660 I think it is sixth form level writing because to be expected, 1066 00:42:48,670 --> 00:42:50,950 genuine, expected, everyone fudges it. 1067 00:42:51,110 --> 00:42:55,880 But to be actually expected on paper, you have to be a perfect. 1068 00:42:55,890 --> 00:42:58,500 Writer OK, so come on in. So there are levels, like we 1069 00:42:58,510 --> 00:43:00,040 said, working towards you're not quite there. 1070 00:43:00,090 --> 00:43:02,340 Obviously that's going to just a lot because you're not. 1071 00:43:02,350 --> 00:43:03,970 Quite. I think probably about 80% of 1072 00:43:03,980 --> 00:43:05,790 kids in the UK are actually are actually working. 1073 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,030 OK, so expected level for writing. 1074 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,320 Yeah. OK, what as as someone who has 1075 00:43:10,330 --> 00:43:12,690 no idea, or maybe they're in year six and they're new? 1076 00:43:12,740 --> 00:43:16,950 Or what should we see in a piece of writing from a child to be 1077 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,970 able to officially, properly without fudging anything from 1078 00:43:19,980 --> 00:43:21,840 their independent writing? What should we be able? 1079 00:43:21,850 --> 00:43:24,300 To say it's all, it would almost be easier to say what What can 1080 00:43:24,310 --> 00:43:26,610 they get away with? OK, because otherwise otherwise 1081 00:43:26,620 --> 00:43:28,290 I'm just going to list every single element. 1082 00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:28,750 Of Right. OK. 1083 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,470 So obviously they need to understand everything. 1084 00:43:31,180 --> 00:43:33,020 Decision has to be perfect, so the structure has to be perfect. 1085 00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:35,120 They have to have written across a variety of genres. 1086 00:43:35,170 --> 00:43:37,560 So this is this is a macro level of you have to take into. 1087 00:43:37,570 --> 00:43:39,480 Account of writing. So, you know, you look at across 1088 00:43:39,490 --> 00:43:42,400 that book, OK? Punctuation has to be perfect. 1089 00:43:42,510 --> 00:43:44,070 And I'm not joking. What do you mean punctuation? 1090 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,110 Are we talking about punctuation? 1091 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,700 I'm talking, yeah, honestly. Capital letters, full stops, 1092 00:43:49,770 --> 00:43:51,880 commas in all of their youth. Which is a lot. 1093 00:43:51,950 --> 00:43:56,060 Parenthesis, so we're talking. Brackets, dashes, colons, and 1094 00:43:56,070 --> 00:43:58,660 semicolons are where you can start getting on to greater 1095 00:43:58,670 --> 00:44:00,560 depth. But even still, these days I 1096 00:44:00,570 --> 00:44:01,810 think the bar is increasing more. 1097 00:44:01,820 --> 00:44:04,000 You can see a semicolon and colon, and they're still, you 1098 00:44:04,010 --> 00:44:06,140 know, that's just about expected, right? 1099 00:44:06,610 --> 00:44:08,030 All the punctuation needs to be there. 1100 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,600 Speech needs to be perfectly punctuated. 1101 00:44:09,610 --> 00:44:10,700 New line. New speaker. 1102 00:44:10,740 --> 00:44:13,990 Capital letter to start beach end punctuation properly inside 1103 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,160 Yeah you know where Commerce question mark Where's comma 1104 00:44:16,170 --> 00:44:19,180 exclamation mark inside. Understanding reported speech. 1105 00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:22,130 Directed and direct speech and how to lay that out. 1106 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,450 It all, all of it, has to. Contractions and spelling. 1107 00:44:25,500 --> 00:44:26,550 Right. Contractions. 1108 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,110 All the spelling has to be there, the handwriting. 1109 00:44:28,180 --> 00:44:30,690 And the point is we've expected. Writing, unlike other tests, is 1110 00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:35,760 you have to have evidenced every single one to be expected, if 1111 00:44:35,770 --> 00:44:38,910 you've done all of it right. But you're terrible at spelling 1112 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,230 homophones. There is an argument there to 1113 00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:44,580 say that kid is not affected. Now the only only thing that 1114 00:44:44,590 --> 00:44:46,260 might save you is and they introduce this. 1115 00:44:46,270 --> 00:44:49,480 I don't know when, but I guess to help this situation is a 1116 00:44:49,490 --> 00:44:51,980 child is allowed one special weakness. 1117 00:44:52,050 --> 00:44:55,780 But but am I right in thinking that it can't be spelling, it 1118 00:44:55,790 --> 00:44:58,360 has to be like it has to be Ed suffix? 1119 00:44:58,370 --> 00:45:00,250 Exactly that. It can't just be an overarching 1120 00:45:00,260 --> 00:45:02,200 thing. It can be handwriting, OK? 1121 00:45:02,430 --> 00:45:04,670 Because some kids just. Struggle and when the age now 1122 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,970 where is as important as it was. Before, and I've had a lot. 1123 00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:10,400 And it's funny, because I found a lot of my best writers often 1124 00:45:10,410 --> 00:45:12,230 have. But here's the thing, though. 1125 00:45:12,310 --> 00:45:15,020 So as soon as right as soon as handwriting bad, that gives that 1126 00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:17,280 child no leeway whatsoever for anything else. 1127 00:45:17,350 --> 00:45:18,230 Yeah, basically. Right. 1128 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:20,450 So that's the thing. I'll I'll pick out one of the 1129 00:45:20,460 --> 00:45:22,500 smaller things, modal verbs. Right. 1130 00:45:22,510 --> 00:45:25,210 Yeah, so if if a if a child could, yeah, if a child has 1131 00:45:25,220 --> 00:45:27,700 written perfectly beautiful writing, like they're really 1132 00:45:27,710 --> 00:45:30,140 creative and they're punctuation is great, right? 1133 00:45:30,190 --> 00:45:31,550 And you look through their writing. 1134 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,200 If you're doing it by the book, if you look for their writing 1135 00:45:34,210 --> 00:45:36,540 and you haven't seen any good example, any examples of modal 1136 00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:38,810 verbs being used correctly, they are not expected. 1137 00:45:38,820 --> 00:45:40,360 That's crazy. That's technically how it should 1138 00:45:40,370 --> 00:45:40,840 be. Done. 1139 00:45:40,890 --> 00:45:42,480 Yeah. Writing moderation. 1140 00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:43,450 Does that happen? I don't know. 1141 00:45:43,460 --> 00:45:45,910 It depends on who you're. With so as someone who's outside 1142 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,120 of the year 6 bubble and stuff, so I've done year three-year 1143 00:45:49,130 --> 00:45:52,190 four and year five. It kind of each score each 1144 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,690 district has their own way of almost extrapolating down what a 1145 00:45:55,700 --> 00:45:58,170 year six expected is. So they'll say, OK, by year five 1146 00:45:58,180 --> 00:46:00,440 we should be hitting all of this stuff because then in year six 1147 00:46:00,450 --> 00:46:01,910 we can just go over everything and introduce. 1148 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,170 The colon semicolon because there is no official standard 1149 00:46:04,180 --> 00:46:05,750 for each year. It's just end of key stage. 1150 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,650 Two, so like for me looking in, I I can honestly say that I 1151 00:46:09,660 --> 00:46:12,570 think even at year four level because we're extrapolating the 1152 00:46:12,580 --> 00:46:14,410 children are less proficient at writing. 1153 00:46:14,420 --> 00:46:16,490 Yeah, I still think the level for expected is crazy. 1154 00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:18,140 Yeah. And never think about my cohorts 1155 00:46:18,810 --> 00:46:23,200 I, I I I probably get because I'm I'm really truthful and 1156 00:46:23,210 --> 00:46:25,500 everything and it's always completely independent. 1157 00:46:25,570 --> 00:46:29,380 I get about 50 to 60% to expected in my coach is probably 1158 00:46:29,390 --> 00:46:31,140 good and I think that that's that's good. 1159 00:46:31,150 --> 00:46:34,280 If I get half too expected, they should stay expected and then 1160 00:46:34,290 --> 00:46:36,450 hopefully we're gonna get some others, push it up a bit but. 1161 00:46:36,460 --> 00:46:38,890 Hopefully in year six it's suddenly deny 90%. 1162 00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:40,820 Of the nation. It's weird because it goes from 1163 00:46:40,890 --> 00:46:47,830 15% in year, 330%, your 435% year five and then 94% easy. 1164 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,770 Yeah, this year 16, she's bloody good, aren't they? 1165 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,450 But yeah, I mean it's just, it seems mad. 1166 00:46:53,460 --> 00:46:55,650 So I'll very quickly if that's expected level. 1167 00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:58,000 OK, So it sounds like it's impossible to get. 1168 00:46:58,010 --> 00:46:59,350 Yeah. What's great at that? 1169 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,010 Greater depth is unreal. I'm just gonna vent for a 1170 00:47:02,020 --> 00:47:03,720 second. Right, greater depth. 1171 00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:06,920 The bar for greater depth is so high. 1172 00:47:06,930 --> 00:47:08,770 If you're saying expected is like secondary. 1173 00:47:08,780 --> 00:47:10,880 School expected is you need to be a perfect writer. 1174 00:47:10,890 --> 00:47:13,270 Yeah, yeah, so. With with like very, very minor, 1175 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,520 you know there's such a small room for like a margin of error 1176 00:47:16,530 --> 00:47:17,880 there, such a small. I'm. 1177 00:47:17,890 --> 00:47:21,150 I'm thinking another word, which I hear all of the time in 1178 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,070 moderation because obviously we go to moderation for year four, 1179 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,100 You're free year five. Yeah. 1180 00:47:24,110 --> 00:47:25,700 And I know it's a big thing for year six. 1181 00:47:25,710 --> 00:47:28,980 And I hate it because we talked about how subjective writing is. 1182 00:47:28,990 --> 00:47:31,500 OK, Yeah. The number one word I hear when 1183 00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:33,080 someone asks, are they greater depth? 1184 00:47:33,150 --> 00:47:35,820 They go, oh, where's that flare? The flare all. 1185 00:47:35,830 --> 00:47:37,590 Where's that flare? I hate it. 1186 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,010 Where's that flare? What do you? 1187 00:47:39,020 --> 00:47:42,110 Mean This is where some reason we then bring back in the 1188 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,730 creativity. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1189 00:47:43,740 --> 00:47:44,430 yeah, yeah, yeah. And. 1190 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,170 Then it goes down to this completely, completely. 1191 00:47:47,180 --> 00:47:50,510 Subject so to be expected. Grammar, punctuation, spelling 1192 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,270 doesn't matter. It's monotonous and boring to 1193 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,450 read because all I'm scanning for is capital letters. 1194 00:47:54,460 --> 00:47:57,160 Generally I don't read it and enjoy it. 1195 00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,610 So greater depths. Ohh crap Yeah wait. 1196 00:47:59,620 --> 00:48:00,380 But it needs to be. Good. 1197 00:48:00,390 --> 00:48:02,890 Greater depth is basically you've got your own authorial 1198 00:48:02,900 --> 00:48:04,400 style. That's crazy. 1199 00:48:04,410 --> 00:48:07,770 It is perfect. 10 year old. No, I'm, I'm talking now 10 1200 00:48:07,780 --> 00:48:09,000 years. There is no leeway now. 1201 00:48:09,010 --> 00:48:11,600 Yeah, so I've brought books that I thought are greater depth to 1202 00:48:11,610 --> 00:48:13,530 moderation before and I've had them knocked down because they 1203 00:48:13,540 --> 00:48:16,460 looked, they found like a mistake in a piece of writing 1204 00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:18,940 and being like, well, they spelt, you know, consciousness 1205 00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:20,300 wrong. And actually that shows they're 1206 00:48:20,310 --> 00:48:21,740 probably not a greater depth of spending. 1207 00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:23,430 Therefore they can't be greater depth. 1208 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:24,650 I'm not even joking. I've had. 1209 00:48:24,660 --> 00:48:26,660 That's happened to me, like literally last year. 1210 00:48:26,750 --> 00:48:28,840 You get these like evil moderators as well, like. 1211 00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:31,230 And and here's the here's the mad thing, right? 1212 00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:33,670 I know I'm kind of going to a separate point, but it just fits 1213 00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:36,370 because this happened last year in moderation. 1214 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,380 At the same time I'm sat there, I happened to be sat with the 1215 00:48:39,390 --> 00:48:41,090 county moderator. OK, so so you. 1216 00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:43,490 You've gone to Is this external moderation or is this like this 1217 00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:45,810 is just to help? People, this is the official 1218 00:48:45,820 --> 00:48:47,390 one. This is the official external 1219 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,230 moderation. OK, there's two things that 1220 00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:51,150 happened to schools, by the way. If you're not in this, in this 1221 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,060 world, this is what. Happens, so the teachers put 1222 00:48:53,070 --> 00:48:54,830 their thing in. Right at the end of the year, 1223 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,300 teachers will always assess all their children's writing, right? 1224 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,160 And there's two things that will happen to just increase the 1225 00:49:00,170 --> 00:49:02,330 reliability of this and and keep schools accountable. 1226 00:49:02,380 --> 00:49:05,810 You'll either be invited to a county moderation where loads of 1227 00:49:05,820 --> 00:49:07,340 teachers go into like a big hole. 1228 00:49:07,350 --> 00:49:09,780 Normally you all sit around tables with people you don't 1229 00:49:09,790 --> 00:49:12,290 know and you look at the work together right, to make sure 1230 00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:13,980 that you're not just cheating the system. 1231 00:49:14,830 --> 00:49:18,560 Or every few years your school will be ranked like Ofsted. 1232 00:49:18,570 --> 00:49:20,790 It will be randomly selected for an internal moderation. 1233 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,340 You don't know what's gonna. Happen, so someone comes. 1234 00:49:22,350 --> 00:49:25,740 Into someone comes into the school that's been trained a bit 1235 00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:28,560 further than everybody else on on internal moderation. 1236 00:49:28,570 --> 00:49:30,410 One of my friends has done that. Yeah, exactly. 1237 00:49:30,420 --> 00:49:31,440 Yeah. And I've had it happen to me as 1238 00:49:31,450 --> 00:49:32,380 well. A couple of years ago a 1239 00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:34,970 different school was internally moderated and this person came 1240 00:49:34,980 --> 00:49:37,850 in for a whole day and they randomly select children. 1241 00:49:37,860 --> 00:49:39,860 Sure, on your list. So when you go to the county 1242 00:49:39,870 --> 00:49:41,930 one, can you take who you want? Yes, because again. 1243 00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:43,070 You can fudge. Yeah. 1244 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,890 The county one is a bit more fungible. 1245 00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:45,990 Did you just take your best ones? 1246 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,240 And then if you say, well, if if they say that's expected, you 1247 00:49:48,250 --> 00:49:49,490 might, we can get all of these through. 1248 00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:51,570 Yeah, exactly that. So the idea is if if they don't 1249 00:49:51,580 --> 00:49:54,070 disagree with your judgments or county, then you're trustworthy. 1250 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,010 And then all of your other judgments for the other 80 1251 00:49:56,020 --> 00:49:57,590 percent, 90% of your cohort, right. 1252 00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,240 They won't question it. So as long as you take a book, 1253 00:49:59,250 --> 00:50:01,950 you know, as expected, then all the other people that you fudged 1254 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,310 for and said, Oh yeah, they're expected. 1255 00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:04,800 Exactly. No one's gonna know about it. 1256 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,880 But if you go with your books that are actually what it's 1257 00:50:06,890 --> 00:50:09,010 supposed to be, supposed to go of your books that you're not 1258 00:50:09,020 --> 00:50:11,010 too sure of, Yeah, And then they help you moderate. 1259 00:50:11,020 --> 00:50:13,260 But the problem is if, if you go in, you have to give an initial 1260 00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:14,490 assessment. So if you're saying, I think 1261 00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:16,370 they're expected, yeah. And they knocked down two of 1262 00:50:16,380 --> 00:50:18,260 them to work into. We're gonna have red flags. 1263 00:50:18,270 --> 00:50:19,320 There's a red flag. Yeah. 1264 00:50:19,370 --> 00:50:20,950 Yeah. And then the rest of your books 1265 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,930 might be looked at now. So they're the two systems, 1266 00:50:22,940 --> 00:50:24,570 obviously the one where they come into your schools a lot 1267 00:50:24,580 --> 00:50:26,980 more intense because it's randomly picked and you have to 1268 00:50:27,070 --> 00:50:29,400 previously have already put in your assessments for these 1269 00:50:29,410 --> 00:50:30,980 children. So the because they're basically 1270 00:50:30,990 --> 00:50:32,600 testing you, they're saying, have you assessed these kids 1271 00:50:32,610 --> 00:50:34,280 right? And in in an eternal one, if 1272 00:50:34,290 --> 00:50:36,590 you've got one of them wrong, they then do have the power to 1273 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,080 be like, OK, let's look at, let's look at. 1274 00:50:38,310 --> 00:50:40,270 You've assessed this kid as expected and I think it's 1275 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,740 working towards, let's now look at all of the ones you've put as 1276 00:50:42,750 --> 00:50:44,260 expected because we need to check them all out. 1277 00:50:44,270 --> 00:50:47,530 Yeah, that's the idea, right? Yeah, you can see why it comes 1278 00:50:47,540 --> 00:50:50,210 in that people use published pieces and post it notes and 1279 00:50:50,220 --> 00:50:52,980 stuff because there's no trail. If that was to happen to you, 1280 00:50:53,220 --> 00:50:56,130 you've suddenly got no trial and no way for them to sniff and 1281 00:50:56,140 --> 00:50:58,230 say, oh, it's. Not, And every kid has to be 1282 00:50:58,240 --> 00:50:59,390 ready. You can't just pick your six at 1283 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,120 the start of the year to be like, I'm gonna fudge these six 1284 00:51:01,130 --> 00:51:03,330 because I'll take them to moderation because you could get 1285 00:51:03,340 --> 00:51:05,410 internally moderated. Yeah. 1286 00:51:05,660 --> 00:51:07,290 Absolutely. So back to the original, I 1287 00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:09,320 think. I can't remember something about 1288 00:51:09,330 --> 00:51:10,640 no you. Right. 1289 00:51:10,650 --> 00:51:12,290 Yeah, great depth. You went to moderation. 1290 00:51:12,330 --> 00:51:14,700 So, alright, so annoying, right? And I got so frustrated at the 1291 00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:18,100 time it happened. I sat down at the table and I 1292 00:51:18,110 --> 00:51:20,750 just happened to sit with the table that the person that was 1293 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,810 leading the moderation, like the county put the leader, came over 1294 00:51:23,820 --> 00:51:26,010 and sat with me and I was like, oh, typical, here we go. 1295 00:51:26,020 --> 00:51:27,420 Like, you know, she's going to be harsh. 1296 00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:29,280 I only knew the system was broken, so I already knew that 1297 00:51:29,290 --> 00:51:30,870 she was going to be harsher than someone else. 1298 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,460 I looked across at other tables and and I spoke to some friends 1299 00:51:33,470 --> 00:51:36,000 that were from other schools who were like, yeah, these two guys 1300 00:51:36,010 --> 00:51:39,060 on my table were both honestly, just being like, actually, I'll 1301 00:51:39,070 --> 00:51:40,450 put yours for if you put mine through. 1302 00:51:40,460 --> 00:51:43,220 No. And you just think, Oh my God, 1303 00:51:43,230 --> 00:51:45,500 so our potluck, I've sat here, she's knocked down a couple of 1304 00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:47,300 my books, which I thought were a mate. 1305 00:51:47,310 --> 00:51:48,240 I thought these kids are amazing. 1306 00:51:48,250 --> 00:51:49,460 Yeah. And she's gone. 1307 00:51:49,470 --> 00:51:50,810 Yeah. But she's, you know, found one 1308 00:51:50,820 --> 00:51:52,820 or two mistakes and not. Great gone really by the. 1309 00:51:52,830 --> 00:51:55,740 Book not, not great, but I'm thinking these kids are, They're 1310 00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:58,400 like 5-6, seven years above that level of age. 1311 00:51:58,410 --> 00:51:59,740 They're ten. Yeah. 1312 00:51:59,780 --> 00:52:03,060 They're writing these beautiful pieces with their own style. 1313 00:52:03,390 --> 00:52:04,700 Didn't spell consciousness right. 1314 00:52:04,780 --> 00:52:06,770 And then the other table, you just see people. 1315 00:52:06,780 --> 00:52:08,520 Yeah, great depth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1316 00:52:08,530 --> 00:52:11,220 And I saw, I watched this one guy and I won't forget it 1317 00:52:11,230 --> 00:52:13,330 because it really annoyed me. So I watched this one guy. 1318 00:52:13,340 --> 00:52:16,270 I have an argument on my table with someone else who works at 1319 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,890 our school saying that this, that this kid that he's got was 1320 00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:20,850 greater depth, right. I had a quick look at the book. 1321 00:52:20,860 --> 00:52:22,530 Absolutely not. Barely expected by their 1322 00:52:22,540 --> 00:52:24,260 standard. Barely, barely expected. 1323 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,620 You know if you're being kind you just wouldn't wouldn't back 1324 00:52:27,630 --> 00:52:29,330 down and end up putting for his greater depth. 1325 00:52:29,380 --> 00:52:32,290 You just think oh, this is just such a stupid system so that 1326 00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:34,230 kids got through who's barely expected. 1327 00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:37,090 My kid who I think is great to death, maybe isn't because you 1328 00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:42,090 know, trust is moderate. At least extremely high expected 1329 00:52:42,460 --> 00:52:44,760 hasn't got through and is that OK, so that and that's the data 1330 00:52:44,770 --> 00:52:46,310 that's published in our school is it? 1331 00:52:46,930 --> 00:52:48,980 Ohh I I. Hate it. 1332 00:52:48,990 --> 00:52:51,660 It's completely broken the whole system and and this is the this 1333 00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:54,390 comes the issue because like from mining mining yours point 1334 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,120 of view honestly I look at this system for for writing 1335 00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:59,960 assessment and I think it's an absolute joke. 1336 00:53:00,010 --> 00:53:02,460 I can't believe This is why we've landed. 1337 00:53:02,510 --> 00:53:04,500 But then you look at what happened beforehand and you look 1338 00:53:04,510 --> 00:53:06,100 at teachers with more experience, like I said earlier, 1339 00:53:06,110 --> 00:53:07,860 who are just like, no, no, no, no, no, no. 1340 00:53:07,870 --> 00:53:09,880 Thank God they got rid of the old one because at least 1341 00:53:09,890 --> 00:53:11,740 teachers take back some control now. 1342 00:53:11,810 --> 00:53:14,580 And I think there's there's two massive things wrong with this. 1343 00:53:14,650 --> 00:53:17,000 The two, the two biggest things that are wrong with this are 1344 00:53:17,100 --> 00:53:20,780 first and foremost what it constitutes to be an expected 1345 00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:23,350 writer. And the greater depth writer is 1346 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,590 way too hard. The kids are 10. 1347 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,730 So we've absolutely killed. Or creativity when it comes to 1348 00:53:29,740 --> 00:53:31,810 writing and you know very quickly Do you know, do you know 1349 00:53:31,820 --> 00:53:33,390 why? Do you know how I know we've 1350 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,470 killed or creativity with writing Because we'll read a 1351 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,990 class book together and instead of just enjoying the book. 1352 00:53:40,060 --> 00:53:41,490 I'll have children put the hand go. 1353 00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:43,210 Should there be a comma after that front step. 1354 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,910 No, it doesn't matter. This is a published author. 1355 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,750 We're reading Varjak Paw. This is such a cool story. 1356 00:53:48,820 --> 00:53:51,990 And they're they're sat there thinking, well, wait a minute, 1357 00:53:52,130 --> 00:53:54,030 this author didn't put a front to book. 1358 00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,140 This author didn't use speech in the way we've. 1359 00:53:57,150 --> 00:53:59,420 Been We've started with and. They started with and at the 1360 00:53:59,430 --> 00:54:01,460 start of writing, yeah, because it's bloody good. 1361 00:54:01,470 --> 00:54:03,380 It's a bloody good book and it's writing. 1362 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,350 It should be malleable. It should be fun. 1363 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:06,840 It should be something we can enjoy. 1364 00:54:06,850 --> 00:54:08,950 There are some rules to be broken exactly. 1365 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,670 Just going back to this point here, just read this again, part 1366 00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,410 of the review before this came in. 1367 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,870 Teachers big, big, big risk and teacher assessment. 1368 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,790 Teachers make generous assessments under increasing 1369 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,010 pressures. You know, I think that 1370 00:54:19,020 --> 00:54:20,090 summarises everything we just said. 1371 00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:22,410 That's exactly what's happened. Increasing pressures, increasing 1372 00:54:22,420 --> 00:54:26,090 bar ohh what's happened? Generous assessments? 1373 00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:28,610 Of course it has. Because if you do the right 1374 00:54:28,620 --> 00:54:34,040 thing in this system, which is to completely independent 1375 00:54:34,050 --> 00:54:36,140 writing. So if if you're if you're going 1376 00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:38,740 to do this thing where you can't touch it because you need to 1377 00:54:38,750 --> 00:54:43,400 show that it's their writing. If you actually do that, none of 1378 00:54:43,410 --> 00:54:44,720 your. Kids will get can you tell me 1379 00:54:44,730 --> 00:54:47,150 then I know you've sort of we've kind of gone over it but I wanna 1380 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:51,330 really really clear answer now concise what is what would you 1381 00:54:51,340 --> 00:54:54,160 constitute as an independent right. 1382 00:54:54,260 --> 00:54:56,630 And I want and I want people any teachers listening I want you to 1383 00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,710 think of this as what you do or not at your school. 1384 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,610 So not blaming. We're not saying like you're bad 1385 00:55:00,620 --> 00:55:02,220 or good. But just think about, can I 1386 00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:05,650 clarify with you, Is it what I think independent rights should 1387 00:55:05,660 --> 00:55:08,270 be or is it what I currently see, independent writers? 1388 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,600 No, it's what you think it's supposed to be like based on 1389 00:55:11,610 --> 00:55:15,180 your knowledge of the system and what a rod, true, independent 1390 00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:17,060 right is supposed to look like. So what you see in the 1391 00:55:17,070 --> 00:55:19,640 classroom, what they can and can't do to help and all that. 1392 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,160 OK, for me personally, it would be. 1393 00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,620 It would start off with the two or three weeks prior to the 1394 00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:27,120 writing. So you would have to teach 1395 00:55:27,130 --> 00:55:30,580 children explicitly and give them a chance to practise with 1396 00:55:30,590 --> 00:55:33,220 your help before the independent right. 1397 00:55:33,350 --> 00:55:35,470 The reason you have to do that is because when it comes to 1398 00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,360 independent right, you shouldn't be allowed to do that. 1399 00:55:37,410 --> 00:55:41,140 So for example, let's say we're doing a story middle right, 1400 00:55:41,150 --> 00:55:42,430 we're just doing not doing a full story. 1401 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:43,760 We're going to concentrate in the middle. 1402 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,230 We're going to have a setting description, a bit of action, 1403 00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:47,560 and then it's gonna end with a dialogue. 1404 00:55:47,570 --> 00:55:49,420 Yeah, so we're bringing together a lot of stuff we've done 1405 00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:51,240 before. We might do a couple of lessons 1406 00:55:51,250 --> 00:55:54,160 on speech where we literally just practise how to build a 1407 00:55:54,170 --> 00:55:56,680 sentence using speech, and maybe they get a go at writing a 1408 00:55:56,690 --> 00:55:58,560 dialogue, completely separate to anything. 1409 00:55:58,630 --> 00:56:00,860 But I'm there with them, teaching them how to do it, 1410 00:56:00,930 --> 00:56:03,220 giving them feedback. Feedback, lots of feedback, lots 1411 00:56:03,230 --> 00:56:05,520 of marking, lots of group work, lots of verbal feedback. 1412 00:56:05,530 --> 00:56:07,750 I've done that for a couple of weeks, done all this preaching, 1413 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,550 really heavily involved, modelled with you. 1414 00:56:09,590 --> 00:56:10,980 So when it comes to the day where I want to do an 1415 00:56:10,990 --> 00:56:12,930 independent, right, yeah, they've done lots of practise. 1416 00:56:12,940 --> 00:56:14,740 I think this is really important, they've done lots of 1417 00:56:14,750 --> 00:56:16,780 practise with me helping. Them give this poster look. 1418 00:56:16,790 --> 00:56:19,700 Like it should be. The children sat there for an 1419 00:56:19,710 --> 00:56:21,480 extended period of time. Hmm. 1420 00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,100 They've done their plan. So again, you've gone. 1421 00:56:24,190 --> 00:56:27,450 You've done a plan with them in the lessons beforehand, not 1422 00:56:27,460 --> 00:56:29,900 where you've fed them exactly what to put You've given them 1423 00:56:29,910 --> 00:56:31,600 lots of opportunities to take from. 1424 00:56:31,650 --> 00:56:33,920 You've given them prompts on the board, you've given them word 1425 00:56:33,930 --> 00:56:35,350 mats. You've given them everything 1426 00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,930 they could possibly need, all of the kind of structure they could 1427 00:56:38,940 --> 00:56:41,960 possibly have for them to take from to plan. 1428 00:56:41,970 --> 00:56:43,540 Not me. I'm not giving them the plan. 1429 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,430 I'm just facilitating the plan. Then when it comes to the 1430 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,090 independent write on the day, all of that structure, the word 1431 00:56:49,100 --> 00:56:52,970 mats aren't out anymore. The the, the waggle, the example 1432 00:56:52,980 --> 00:56:54,610 writing, that's not on the table anymore. 1433 00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,250 What's on their table is their plan that they've done. 1434 00:56:57,260 --> 00:57:00,050 From all the stuff they've got, all the work previously where 1435 00:57:00,060 --> 00:57:05,240 they've practised on the board. I would put what I want to see 1436 00:57:05,250 --> 00:57:08,130 in their writing. So I would put on the board like 1437 00:57:08,140 --> 00:57:10,560 sentence starters. Yeah, sentence starters, 1438 00:57:11,690 --> 00:57:15,270 dialogue. I might put noun phrases. 1439 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:16,700 Yeah. I don't give them the noun 1440 00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:19,540 phrases, but I just say I want to see noun phrases so the child 1441 00:57:19,550 --> 00:57:21,440 can look at it and go, OK, I need to put noun phrases in and 1442 00:57:21,450 --> 00:57:23,920 then independently do it so prompt on the board of what I 1443 00:57:23,930 --> 00:57:26,140 want to see. Do you think that's their plan? 1444 00:57:26,610 --> 00:57:30,100 I think that's independent in that the writing, what they 1445 00:57:30,110 --> 00:57:33,560 produce is completely independent because I can't. 1446 00:57:33,850 --> 00:57:37,410 This is where I have to draw the line, because I can't let them 1447 00:57:37,420 --> 00:57:42,060 plan and have nothing and then right, it won't produce anything 1448 00:57:42,130 --> 00:57:44,570 that's remotely good. Short term, so that they're. 1449 00:57:44,580 --> 00:57:46,440 Not, no, no, I I completely agree. 1450 00:57:46,450 --> 00:57:48,510 And if we're going off purely independent, yeah, I think 1451 00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,500 that's fine. I think a nice middle ground is 1452 00:57:50,570 --> 00:57:53,240 not giving them any hint as to how to do. 1453 00:57:53,250 --> 00:57:55,160 It, yeah. But what I want to say, for 1454 00:57:55,170 --> 00:57:57,120 example, I wouldn't not give them the genre. 1455 00:57:57,380 --> 00:58:01,040 OK, So I would say to them, OK, we're doing a, like I said, a 1456 00:58:01,050 --> 00:58:03,300 story middle. I need to see noun phrases. 1457 00:58:03,310 --> 00:58:05,590 I need to see description. I need to see a setting 1458 00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,860 description and a piece of action before we go into a 1459 00:58:07,870 --> 00:58:09,140 dialogue with two characters of your. 1460 00:58:09,150 --> 00:58:11,150 Choice isn't even that funny if you really think about it, 1461 00:58:11,250 --> 00:58:13,180 because really the only reason you're doing that is because you 1462 00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:15,200 know that you need to take these boxes off for them to get to 1463 00:58:15,210 --> 00:58:17,320 expected. Well, I I guess that is true, 1464 00:58:17,330 --> 00:58:20,900 but also I'm kind of testing them in a way to see if they 1465 00:58:20,910 --> 00:58:23,640 know how to apply noun phrases. But because you've been so my, 1466 00:58:23,650 --> 00:58:24,740 I'm just gonna be devil's advocate. 1467 00:58:24,750 --> 00:58:26,560 Yeah. Because I'm probably worse than 1468 00:58:26,570 --> 00:58:28,260 you by the way. You know, I'll over support and 1469 00:58:28,270 --> 00:58:30,560 I think I really should do that because the system is so. 1470 00:58:30,570 --> 00:58:35,240 Broken very quickly some people put the sentence started on the 1471 00:58:35,250 --> 00:58:39,880 board so they put surprisingly comma and I'm like that is just 1472 00:58:40,590 --> 00:58:43,110 showing them how to do that's to me that's very. 1473 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:44,300 Different. Yeah, you know that. 1474 00:58:44,310 --> 00:58:46,900 Sorry, Even what I do, I I honestly think if we were truly 1475 00:58:46,910 --> 00:58:49,990 doing independent writing, it should just be everything you 1476 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,760 talked about, even like even like saying what to have in it, 1477 00:58:52,770 --> 00:58:54,560 like noun phrase and things. They should have had 1478 00:58:54,570 --> 00:58:56,630 opportunities to learn that in the three weeks before when it 1479 00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,430 comes to independent, right. I think if we were doing it 1480 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,480 properly, it should be test conditions, it should be OK, 1481 00:59:01,490 --> 00:59:03,100 guys, today this is what you're writing. 1482 00:59:03,110 --> 00:59:05,900 You're going to use everything you've learned you can think of. 1483 00:59:06,450 --> 00:59:09,150 Here's the title. But don't you think that goes 1484 00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,360 back to the old system, which is just a cold prompt, and then you 1485 00:59:12,370 --> 00:59:13,610 just turn into the external writer? 1486 00:59:13,620 --> 00:59:15,680 Yeah, that's supposed to be because I think that's actually 1487 00:59:15,690 --> 00:59:17,830 what it's supposed to be. That's the opinion I get is 1488 00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,170 that. But I thought it said like you 1489 00:59:19,180 --> 00:59:21,010 know, have marking, have feedback, help. 1490 00:59:21,020 --> 00:59:22,390 Them out? Yeah, that's fine marking 1491 00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,950 feedback after, but I think each of the pieces of writing across 1492 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,630 the should be should be test conditions plus the three weeks 1493 00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,290 before you've. Actually it's funny because the 1494 00:59:29,300 --> 00:59:31,710 only the things I write on the board are the things I have in 1495 00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,380 my assessment sheets. For them it's like OK, well to 1496 00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:37,050 be here for because in our school we have every year group 1497 00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,490 the English needs have think their own kind of grid. 1498 00:59:39,500 --> 00:59:41,300 Yeah. So the year 6 grids obvious it's 1499 00:59:41,310 --> 00:59:42,250 just everything. Yeah. 1500 00:59:42,260 --> 00:59:45,270 But my year four grid, for example, would say evidence of 1501 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,740 dialogue between 2 characters. Simple as that. 1502 00:59:49,780 --> 00:59:52,080 It doesn't have to be anything more complicated than just two 1503 00:59:52,090 --> 00:59:54,630 characters talking. Yeah, so I'll say to them, OK, 1504 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,130 in this piece of writing, I'd like to see dialogue between 2 1505 00:59:57,140 --> 00:59:58,130 characters. Tick. 1506 00:59:58,140 --> 00:59:59,400 Off. But really, could someone, could 1507 00:59:59,410 --> 01:00:00,750 someone write a good story about dialogue? 1508 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,310 Yeah, yeah, that does exist in reality. 1509 01:00:03,460 --> 01:00:05,130 But if you've taught them, you'd hope they've. 1510 01:00:05,140 --> 01:00:07,360 Applied hope they Yeah. And I think the point I think 1511 01:00:07,370 --> 01:00:09,990 what it's supposed to be is, yeah, you just, it's just a 1512 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,360 chance. Then you've taught them the 1513 01:00:11,370 --> 01:00:12,760 dialogue. So it's up to them now whether 1514 01:00:12,770 --> 01:00:14,990 they want to put it on and if they don't, it's crazy. 1515 01:00:15,060 --> 01:00:19,010 If they don't put it in, we've got a system we we don't agree 1516 01:00:19,020 --> 01:00:20,030 with that says they're not. Expecting. 1517 01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:21,070 Yeah, exactly. Exactly. 1518 01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,130 Whereas in reality, they could have been a really nice story 1519 01:00:23,140 --> 01:00:24,560 with dialogue, Yeah, yeah. And. 1520 01:00:24,570 --> 01:00:27,050 And they could show that they actually are an expected level 1521 01:00:27,060 --> 01:00:28,490 writer. They just haven't happened to 1522 01:00:28,500 --> 01:00:30,220 use dialogue. So I think the system 1523 01:00:30,270 --> 01:00:33,920 infiltrates our minds from even the deepest levels of trying to 1524 01:00:33,930 --> 01:00:34,490 do things. Wrong. 1525 01:00:34,500 --> 01:00:37,060 When you do a genre for example, let's say I'm doing non 1526 01:00:37,070 --> 01:00:39,740 chronological report or or let's say newspaper report rather. 1527 01:00:40,070 --> 01:00:42,440 I know there's like a tick box somewhere where it's like a 1528 01:00:42,450 --> 01:00:45,700 caption needs to show a caption to a picture, and I'm like the 1529 01:00:45,710 --> 01:00:47,920 only chance I'll ever get to do that as a newspaper report. 1530 01:00:47,930 --> 01:00:49,560 Or maybe not. Yeah, so you make. 1531 01:00:49,570 --> 01:00:51,340 So. So when they when it comes to 1532 01:00:51,350 --> 01:00:55,420 that, I if I don't tell them to do it, umm, and they don't do 1533 01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:57,180 it. Yeah that means that that kid 1534 01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:59,500 for that year now is not expected because they've missed 1535 01:00:59,510 --> 01:01:00,360 their one thing. Yeah. 1536 01:01:00,370 --> 01:01:03,630 So I think that it's true it's it's double edged sword here 1537 01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,920 which is the the issue is it's really hard to reach any kind of 1538 01:01:06,930 --> 01:01:09,000 level because it's just ridiculously high expectations 1539 01:01:09,010 --> 01:01:11,220 for children to reach that needs to be sorted in my opinion. 1540 01:01:11,290 --> 01:01:13,590 But because it's ridiculously high you need to get absolutely 1541 01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,450 everything in your writing and only some genres lend themselves 1542 01:01:16,460 --> 01:01:17,900 to some of the things you need to get. 1543 01:01:17,950 --> 01:01:20,030 When it comes to writing it, you're going to say to your 1544 01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:24,100 kids, listen, at the very least I need to see a dialogue. 1545 01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:27,100 Yeah. Then what happens is the other 1546 01:01:27,110 --> 01:01:29,770 problem is how far scores want to push this and how how far 1547 01:01:29,780 --> 01:01:31,980 we're going to judge it. Because the the scale of 1548 01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:34,980 independence, to go back to your question, it is a sliding scale. 1549 01:01:34,990 --> 01:01:36,260 Yeah. So how independent is writing? 1550 01:01:36,270 --> 01:01:38,310 Cool. We go from literally saying to 1551 01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,840 them, right? Yeah, Nothing else we could say, 1552 01:01:41,890 --> 01:01:43,080 right. A newspaper report. 1553 01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:44,980 We could say write a newspaper report. 1554 01:01:44,990 --> 01:01:47,560 Make sure you put your your subtitles in your your 1555 01:01:47,730 --> 01:01:49,460 captioning and it's in paragraphs. 1556 01:01:49,470 --> 01:01:51,790 Please write a newspaper report about this thing. 1557 01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,410 You've not even got the choice anymore. 1558 01:01:53,650 --> 01:01:55,890 It's about this thing because I think choice is a big thing and 1559 01:01:55,900 --> 01:01:57,930 independent writing. We always give the children the 1560 01:01:57,940 --> 01:01:59,730 choice. For example, in the dialogue 1561 01:01:59,740 --> 01:02:01,660 that we're writing. With my year fours currently, 1562 01:02:01,730 --> 01:02:03,900 it's between anyone and the setting. 1563 01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:05,340 They can run past whatever they want. 1564 01:02:05,390 --> 01:02:07,220 So there's the choice, but the structures. 1565 01:02:07,230 --> 01:02:08,740 Always. You know, one one more way that 1566 01:02:08,750 --> 01:02:11,170 is often fudged, costing us a lot in your yeah, I've seen it. 1567 01:02:11,180 --> 01:02:13,540 A lot is. The plan also gets taken into 1568 01:02:13,550 --> 01:02:15,020 account. So you talk about doing a plan, 1569 01:02:15,030 --> 01:02:17,760 maybe a quite a scaffolded plan. Yeah, that wouldn't go down in 1570 01:02:17,770 --> 01:02:20,720 in year 6IN in moderation. If the plan looks like it had a 1571 01:02:20,730 --> 01:02:23,460 bit too much scaffolding in it, in writing the piece of writing, 1572 01:02:23,470 --> 01:02:24,880 it struck off. It can't be. 1573 01:02:24,890 --> 01:02:26,780 Used. Not even joking, so as you can. 1574 01:02:26,790 --> 01:02:28,440 Imagine, I guess because I have the plan with them, they're. 1575 01:02:28,450 --> 01:02:30,010 Right. Easy ways to fudge it. 1576 01:02:30,130 --> 01:02:34,110 Plan doesn't go to book. Much evidence of a plan. 1577 01:02:34,300 --> 01:02:35,580 Yeah, they have to. You're supposed to. 1578 01:02:35,590 --> 01:02:37,350 So, So what you do, You have another plan. 1579 01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:38,950 Ohh, people do it. Do it. 1580 01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,330 People do it. So much joking. 1581 01:02:40,340 --> 01:02:42,140 People have like a really quick plan they do in their books to 1582 01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:43,940 make it look good and then have the real plan that they have on 1583 01:02:43,950 --> 01:02:45,530 a bit of paper that gets put in the bin afterwards. 1584 01:02:45,580 --> 01:02:47,260 It happens. One big poster. 1585 01:02:47,740 --> 01:02:49,450 Yeah, literally. I just hate it. 1586 01:02:49,460 --> 01:02:51,170 So I think, yeah, just to summarise, we can talk about 1587 01:02:51,180 --> 01:02:53,450 this forever, but to summarise your, you know, big question 1588 01:02:53,460 --> 01:02:55,000 about the independence, how independent is it? 1589 01:02:55,060 --> 01:02:57,050 I don't know. Because it's not monitored, it's 1590 01:02:57,060 --> 01:02:59,750 not standardised, the independence of writing isn't 1591 01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,950 remotely standardised and it's totally, totally fungible. 1592 01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,000 So that was first with the exam. Yeah, that's a big thing that 1593 01:03:06,010 --> 01:03:07,660 was lost to the exam. So what's the answer? 1594 01:03:07,730 --> 01:03:09,400 That's this is the thing I've been thinking about the whole 1595 01:03:09,410 --> 01:03:10,830 time all the in the lead up to this episode. 1596 01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,830 Because normally I'm like, I just don't know because I don't 1597 01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,240 think the, I think the exam was horribly flawed as we've talked 1598 01:03:16,250 --> 01:03:19,740 about for all the reasons we've said at the start, I think this 1599 01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:23,900 system has been taken advantage of even more sure I think to the 1600 01:03:23,910 --> 01:03:25,620 absolute Max. And it's meant that the bar is 1601 01:03:25,630 --> 01:03:28,560 raised now to an unattainable standard for an actual average 1602 01:03:28,570 --> 01:03:30,520 child. So what's the answer? 1603 01:03:30,850 --> 01:03:32,740 And it's funny enough, when I was reading this review, I was 1604 01:03:32,750 --> 01:03:34,890 like, ohh, the answer was what the review said in 2011. 1605 01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,490 Well, honestly, but is it like because that was what happened 1606 01:03:38,500 --> 01:03:39,170 and where we? Are. 1607 01:03:39,180 --> 01:03:40,490 Yeah. We just didn't do it properly. 1608 01:03:40,540 --> 01:03:41,890 Yeah. It got it got taken advantage 1609 01:03:41,900 --> 01:03:43,340 of. I don't know I I think there's. 1610 01:03:43,350 --> 01:03:44,430 I think there is a middle ground. 1611 01:03:44,780 --> 01:03:46,310 Yeah. I think there is a middle ground 1612 01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,940 where we still look at lots of pieces of writing from across 1613 01:03:49,950 --> 01:03:51,750 the year. Sure, we scrap this stupid 1614 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,910 mentality of. Teachers can't possibly give any 1615 01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:56,250 input. Yeah, teachers can't possibly. 1616 01:03:56,260 --> 01:03:59,200 It's just an exercise book. I would say I think that's 1617 01:03:59,210 --> 01:04:01,030 really going on jump in there because I think what you're 1618 01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,830 saying is absolutely right. Why not moderate the pros? 1619 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:07,230 Like it said, the process of you marking as well, rather than 1620 01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,990 just your children? And I think every school, I 1621 01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,000 think we make it more commonplace that we have an 1622 01:04:12,010 --> 01:04:13,470 external moderator. We get rid of this. 1623 01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,190 We get rid of this stupid county moderation stuff and it's just 1624 01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,400 every year someone comes into your and they look at some books 1625 01:04:19,410 --> 01:04:21,780 with you and that's just how it works every single year. 1626 01:04:21,790 --> 01:04:23,810 Hmm. Could it still be fudged? 1627 01:04:23,820 --> 01:04:25,140 Yeah, I'm sure it can. Yeah. 1628 01:04:25,150 --> 01:04:27,720 But we get rid of published work. 1629 01:04:27,730 --> 01:04:29,760 That's just that rule that you can't have it because we know 1630 01:04:29,770 --> 01:04:30,860 it's. We know it's fake. 1631 01:04:30,930 --> 01:04:33,560 When you as a moderator and you see that, you must know it's 1632 01:04:33,570 --> 01:04:35,980 completely cheating. Yeah, it's it's stupid. 1633 01:04:36,030 --> 01:04:39,200 And we just make some rules of OK, if the work has no teacher. 1634 01:04:39,570 --> 01:04:41,750 Yeah. That that's been fudged 1635 01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,120 published book, we assume it's been fudged and we just make all 1636 01:04:44,130 --> 01:04:47,200 these things just outcast. And it's like, no, the only 1637 01:04:47,210 --> 01:04:49,060 thing that's acceptable now is an exercise book. 1638 01:04:49,210 --> 01:04:50,890 Yeah. And again, I don't think 1639 01:04:50,900 --> 01:04:52,240 anything wrong with just flicking back a couple. 1640 01:04:52,250 --> 01:04:55,140 Of pages. Yeah, they did learn writing 1641 01:04:55,150 --> 01:04:56,780 here. Yeah, OK And they've applied. 1642 01:04:56,790 --> 01:04:58,620 OK, cool. Or they got it there and they 1643 01:04:58,630 --> 01:05:00,760 got a bit wrong, but then the teacher said remember this and 1644 01:05:00,770 --> 01:05:01,770 they fixed it. Ohh, that's good. 1645 01:05:01,780 --> 01:05:05,560 That's good process. Because guess what, official, 1646 01:05:05,570 --> 01:05:09,320 proper authors do not put in their first draught ever. 1647 01:05:09,330 --> 01:05:11,720 I say to the kids all the time, I know authors. 1648 01:05:11,730 --> 01:05:14,200 We know authors who've done books to help with, you know, 1649 01:05:14,210 --> 01:05:16,780 tests and things and vocabulary books. 1650 01:05:16,850 --> 01:05:19,560 They have an editor, like thank God for my editor because I 1651 01:05:19,570 --> 01:05:20,980 constantly make these grammatical errors. 1652 01:05:20,990 --> 01:05:25,070 And it's just, it's just of of course these are 10 and all 1653 01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,520 we've done, all we've done by the way, to get my high horse 1654 01:05:27,530 --> 01:05:29,040 now. But all we've done with writing 1655 01:05:29,050 --> 01:05:31,220 is completely killer, completely killer. 1656 01:05:31,230 --> 01:05:33,140 Because writing now is a tick box exercise. 1657 01:05:33,210 --> 01:05:35,990 Even the most independent of writers, the most teachers who 1658 01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,630 want to give the least possible will say to their children, I 1659 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:40,250 need to see this, this, this, this and this. 1660 01:05:40,310 --> 01:05:42,200 The children are sat there instead of thinking what's next, 1661 01:05:42,210 --> 01:05:43,670 what's the next thing? I make this story really 1662 01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,600 interesting. Well, no, no, no, no, no, not 1663 01:05:45,610 --> 01:05:47,010 what I like. Doesn't matter because ohh. 1664 01:05:47,020 --> 01:05:48,840 Gosh, Mr. Price is saying it needs to be now praise. 1665 01:05:48,850 --> 01:05:50,410 He wants to tick the box on what's the tick off. 1666 01:05:50,420 --> 01:05:51,440 I get it. But now I'm raising. 1667 01:05:51,540 --> 01:05:53,550 It's completely irrelevant. I feel sorry for my sixes 1668 01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,570 because we give them it takes so long to mark anything. 1669 01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,080 But you know we give them which I show them the assessment grid 1670 01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,990 because they're just that. Yeah, of course I show my time 1671 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,910 and I said at the. End of the day, this is what I'm 1672 01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,440 assessing against. Tell them straight away to be 1673 01:06:06,450 --> 01:06:08,160 expected. You need to have basically takes 1674 01:06:08,170 --> 01:06:11,120 off all these boxes a couple of times to show that you can do it 1675 01:06:11,180 --> 01:06:13,270 and they will just look at their target cards now and I actually 1676 01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:14,880 hate it. I'm sat there thinking I just 1677 01:06:14,890 --> 01:06:16,670 want them to enjoy the writing. What I'm really doing is 1678 01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,230 thinking I'm not even modal verbs in all no, I better put 1679 01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,380 some into this, right? And then you read it and it's so 1680 01:06:21,390 --> 01:06:23,120 clunky. But guess what? 1681 01:06:23,130 --> 01:06:24,600 You don't even. Read it properly when you mark 1682 01:06:24,610 --> 01:06:26,700 it because all you're doing is amount of uptick. 1683 01:06:28,170 --> 01:06:30,620 Let's take Yep, let's go. It doesn't matter that there's 1684 01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:33,210 no way that I could have. Does not remotely fit into that 1685 01:06:33,740 --> 01:06:35,130 flow of the right It doesn't matter. 1686 01:06:35,140 --> 01:06:37,530 Beautiful description. And it goes we. 1687 01:06:37,540 --> 01:06:40,150 Should go Ohh, OK, it's expected now. 1688 01:06:40,930 --> 01:06:42,700 Yeah, it's just one of the first times. 1689 01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:44,350 Our episodes I I don't. Really have the. 1690 01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,400 Answers, even what I just said They're hugely flawed. 1691 01:06:46,410 --> 01:06:47,490 Yeah, of course it's sort of. I don't. 1692 01:06:47,500 --> 01:06:49,140 I was gonna come back to and I was like, there's no point 1693 01:06:49,150 --> 01:06:51,100 because we know it's flawed. Yeah, you know what it should 1694 01:06:51,110 --> 01:06:51,680 be. I think the. 1695 01:06:51,690 --> 01:06:54,440 Number one thing we can do right now, and it should be absolutely 1696 01:06:54,450 --> 01:06:57,000 introduced straight away, is quite simply lower the bloody 1697 01:06:57,010 --> 01:06:58,540 levels. Yeah, lower the levels. 1698 01:06:58,550 --> 01:07:00,220 That's that's the number one stop. 1699 01:07:00,230 --> 01:07:01,870 Stop expecting the government, love it. 1700 01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:03,100 The government know there's all the. 1701 01:07:03,110 --> 01:07:05,380 Fudging is happening, but it looks good. 1702 01:07:05,470 --> 01:07:08,790 But wow, look how good our. Country is, but look at. 1703 01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:09,940 So it's all fake? Wow. 1704 01:07:09,950 --> 01:07:11,760 Look how good our country is. Lower the bar. 1705 01:07:11,770 --> 01:07:13,500 They're still gonna be. We've decided what? 1706 01:07:13,510 --> 01:07:16,280 Expected is yeah the government go ohh. 80% are expected. 1707 01:07:16,290 --> 01:07:18,180 OK lower the bar. Guess what 80% will still be 1708 01:07:18,190 --> 01:07:19,060 expected. Yeah. 1709 01:07:19,070 --> 01:07:20,760 So you can still go around and say Ohh. 1710 01:07:20,770 --> 01:07:23,360 Actually I bet yeah no one cares. 1711 01:07:23,410 --> 01:07:26,260 Let children absolutely don't like writing anymore. 1712 01:07:26,270 --> 01:07:28,520 Who would have loved it before because they can't be creative. 1713 01:07:28,570 --> 01:07:31,080 Why didn't they go and draw a comic book Because that's a 1714 01:07:31,090 --> 01:07:33,320 lovely bit of writing. It's a made no chance of that 1715 01:07:33,330 --> 01:07:34,980 ever boring. Just for a bit of fun. 1716 01:07:34,990 --> 01:07:36,770 A couple of years ago, I got my because we. 1717 01:07:36,780 --> 01:07:37,900 Went to same school, We both went to it. 1718 01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:39,860 We were in Kent. Grammar Schools are heavy around 1719 01:07:39,870 --> 01:07:41,230 here. We both went to grammar school 1720 01:07:41,410 --> 01:07:43,290 and I thought, OK, I went to a grammar school. 1721 01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:45,090 I wonder what my writing was like. 1722 01:07:45,140 --> 01:07:47,130 And I and I loved creative writing. 1723 01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:51,750 And I got my year seven books out and they were atrocious, 1724 01:07:51,860 --> 01:07:54,030 Atrocious. But where were they? 1725 01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:55,870 Were they similar to your? Children would be today if you 1726 01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,230 didn't do all the fudging. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1727 01:07:59,240 --> 01:07:59,900 definitely. So you were. 1728 01:07:59,910 --> 01:08:00,920 You were. Yeah, absolutely. 1729 01:08:00,930 --> 01:08:02,310 I tell you what, it was good. I looked at it. 1730 01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:03,480 I was like, oh, this is really well. 1731 01:08:03,490 --> 01:08:05,240 Written in terms of, like, creativity, sure. 1732 01:08:05,250 --> 01:08:07,560 But I did I my spellings were dreadful. 1733 01:08:07,710 --> 01:08:10,380 I didn't use any correct punctuation anywhere, But if you 1734 01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:12,380 just read it out loud, yeah, it was really good. 1735 01:08:12,390 --> 01:08:14,590 Because people would say to that, well, it's better now 1736 01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:16,319 then. And it's like, no, no, no. 1737 01:08:16,670 --> 01:08:19,899 All that's happened in the meantime is 10s and hundreds of 1738 01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:24,229 hours of teacher work to fudge what you were as a writer to 1739 01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,700 looking pristine and perfect. Yeah, yeah, the actual ability 1740 01:08:27,710 --> 01:08:30,580 of you to the actual ability of the children now. 1741 01:08:30,630 --> 01:08:32,560 Not much different at all. No, of course it's not. 1742 01:08:32,620 --> 01:08:33,800 And you've got to enjoy your writing. 1743 01:08:33,810 --> 01:08:34,979 One guess. What you still? 1744 01:08:34,990 --> 01:08:38,319 Can't spell, yeah, yeah. But I guess my overall my 1745 01:08:38,380 --> 01:08:40,479 overall point was I still. Went to grammar school, Yeah. 1746 01:08:40,490 --> 01:08:42,580 Whereas now that would have been assessed as working towards. 1747 01:08:42,590 --> 01:08:44,020 No way would have been to grammar school. 1748 01:08:44,029 --> 01:08:46,010 Working toward that would have been like going to grammar 1749 01:08:46,020 --> 01:08:48,210 school, working towards writing, Yeah, but no. 1750 01:08:48,220 --> 01:08:50,109 But yeah, but again, I'm going to come back to. 1751 01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:53,060 The point it's the same level like the the children. 1752 01:08:53,069 --> 01:08:55,609 This is the same that you would have been expected because your 1753 01:08:55,620 --> 01:08:57,250 teacher would have it. Back then it was a system. 1754 01:08:57,630 --> 01:09:00,850 So it's the exact same that we're we're we're making up 1755 01:09:00,859 --> 01:09:03,529 these boundaries and putting a really high marker and putting 1756 01:09:03,540 --> 01:09:06,149 children down as they can't write when they bloody can. 1757 01:09:06,340 --> 01:09:07,410 Cause they're ten. Yeah. 1758 01:09:07,420 --> 01:09:08,819 For a 10 year old they can write. 1759 01:09:08,830 --> 01:09:10,450 Yeah, exactly. And you know what? 1760 01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,149 What is writing? It's just this construct of for 1761 01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:16,069 all these rules. Oh, but also be careful when you 1762 01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,189 put that in the middle of a sentence because sometimes you 1763 01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,290 don't need a comma, but if you put which you do need a comma, 1764 01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:22,450 get in the bin. I don't care. 1765 01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:26,670 I don't care When they read their book from like whoever's 1766 01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:28,950 reading, like they got their class text and there's no 1767 01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:30,979 following this at all. This is a published off by the 1768 01:09:30,990 --> 01:09:33,760 way, the best seller and you're loving this book. 1769 01:09:33,950 --> 01:09:37,479 Who cares where the comma goes? Yeah, no one, right? 1770 01:09:37,490 --> 01:09:39,319 Dylan, can I end this conversation with a summary? 1771 01:09:39,390 --> 01:09:41,740 Yeah, of just making. Please do because I need to. 1772 01:09:41,750 --> 01:09:43,729 Go. I've got, I've got brunch. 1773 01:09:43,740 --> 01:09:49,069 You'll be pleased to know Plan is a summary then of of why the 1774 01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:50,890 system is broken. There's some bullet points we've 1775 01:09:50,899 --> 01:09:53,109 talked about right up, number one. 1776 01:09:53,180 --> 01:09:57,340 Yeah, we just spent an hour. So this this minute will help. 1777 01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,270 Too much teacher input. I think we explored that even. 1778 01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,480 From your energy, it's just it's too much teaching, but we think 1779 01:10:02,490 --> 01:10:05,520 we do too much. The published workbooks, they're 1780 01:10:05,530 --> 01:10:07,650 broken. They're just Felicia. 1781 01:10:09,570 --> 01:10:11,610 Stupid rules. Around having work which has 1782 01:10:11,620 --> 01:10:15,070 been marked by teachers. Wait, we? 1783 01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:17,040 Have to mark everything to the end of the grid, but this one 1784 01:10:17,050 --> 01:10:17,990 thing, no, don't touch it. Yeah. 1785 01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:19,660 Yeah. Not as market can't show any is 1786 01:10:19,670 --> 01:10:20,730 marking. Useful or not then? 1787 01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:22,350 Because if it's not. Useful. 1788 01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,610 I don't do it for anything. Yeah, yeah, it's still stupidly. 1789 01:10:25,620 --> 01:10:28,340 Subjective, yeah. As I said, from my experience 1790 01:10:28,350 --> 01:10:29,590 with moderation, that will never go. 1791 01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:31,380 To me. It's a bit like art, you know? 1792 01:10:31,420 --> 01:10:33,720 You can. You can look at your strokes and 1793 01:10:33,730 --> 01:10:37,590 your pencils thing isn't it really is is completely teacher 1794 01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:38,790 confidence. The great others work. 1795 01:10:38,860 --> 01:10:41,130 If you're sat there and they're not confident, Not confident, 1796 01:10:41,140 --> 01:10:42,380 it's expected. Yeah, I think so. 1797 01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:43,880 Or someone can bully away like you said. 1798 01:10:43,890 --> 01:10:45,480 That's great depth. Not backing down and you're 1799 01:10:45,490 --> 01:10:46,750 like, OK, well they really confident. 1800 01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,540 It's not my job to care, OK. I don't want an argument about 1801 01:10:49,550 --> 01:10:51,880 moderation. And the the final one was to 1802 01:10:51,890 --> 01:10:54,070 your point, Yeah, How, how independent really is it? 1803 01:10:54,220 --> 01:10:55,880 Is it really independent? I don't know. 1804 01:10:55,890 --> 01:10:58,570 We can argue about the scale of what independence is, but it's 1805 01:10:58,580 --> 01:11:00,920 not. It's not moderated independence. 1806 01:11:01,020 --> 01:11:03,020 So why, why wouldn't you push that vote? 1807 01:11:03,030 --> 01:11:05,200 Yeah. Of course, because until the. 1808 01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:06,510 Levels change. That's my #1. 1809 01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,460 Thing to come out of this, what could we do immediately to start 1810 01:11:09,470 --> 01:11:12,290 fixing the problem would be your Change this to. 1811 01:11:12,300 --> 01:11:17,230 How much percentage of children in the country that are truly 1812 01:11:17,300 --> 01:11:20,030 producing independent writing across the year as there are 1813 01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:23,000 examples of that go to moderation, truly independent, 1814 01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,750 what would you say? 5%, Yeah, I was, I was gonna say 1815 01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,000 something under 10 as well, I reckon. 1816 01:11:29,010 --> 01:11:31,400 I reckon 5% because. Because if you're saying what I 1817 01:11:31,410 --> 01:11:33,560 do is not independent, it's probably zero. 1818 01:11:33,630 --> 01:11:34,640 Yeah. Genuinely. 1819 01:11:34,650 --> 01:11:36,400 Yeah. If if you're perfect, give it. 1820 01:11:36,410 --> 01:11:38,680 No, no, no, no. I'm just saying, if you give the 1821 01:11:38,690 --> 01:11:42,310 genre and what you're looking for, if you're saying that's not 1822 01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,080 independent, think it is, then not no one. 1823 01:11:44,130 --> 01:11:45,230 Yeah, scaffolding too. Much No. 1824 01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,000 One No. But if you're giving the genre 1825 01:11:47,010 --> 01:11:50,020 and saying at some point put noun phrases and modal verbs and 1826 01:11:50,030 --> 01:11:53,250 this and now, I'd argue that's independent, yeah. 1827 01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,310 And I I think so as well. But in our system, I don't think 1828 01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:56,630 it is, yeah. Yeah, the system. 1829 01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,710 Because you told me to put it. Yeah, yeah, Matt. 1830 01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:01,670 Completely broken. Completely, completely good 1831 01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:03,090 vent. Yeah, I kind of know what. 1832 01:12:03,100 --> 01:12:04,270 You guys think? Because I don't know. 1833 01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:05,830 The answer is I don't know what the answer is. 1834 01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:07,540 No. You you might have a really good 1835 01:12:07,550 --> 01:12:11,440 idea of how we should change the system to actually assess 1836 01:12:11,450 --> 01:12:13,160 writing a bit more effectively. And what do you do in your 1837 01:12:13,170 --> 01:12:14,680 school? You know, you know you might. 1838 01:12:14,690 --> 01:12:15,840 Message. 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