Hello. Yeah.
Hi. Is this the standards and
testings agency? Yes, that's right.
The STA in charge of making sure the tests are right for you.
How can I help? It's the government, you know,
we gave you 35 million to sort out the key stage 2 tests this
year. Thanks for that five minute, one
second sir. Yeah.
Oh yeah we do have that on account.
Sure. Yeah.
Do you realize you've made a mistake on the maths paper?
But oh, oh, yes, yes, no, we did.
We've got notes here. Actually, we did make a mistake.
That's right. It was actually Phil.
He's a plonker is a plunger. Make sure you are aware.
We paid you, millions of pounds to check these papers, this
insert. Don't worry about that.
I would appreciate if you kept your tone civil, okay?
Because we are trying to explain to you that it was Phil who made
the mistake and if you'd like to make a complaint that something
we can go through with you, no problem.
I'll just have to transfer you through to 70 different people
but don't you worry? Because what we've done to
actually fix the mistake for you, it's actually quite clever.
Okay, in the mark scheme, all we've said, is that if the
children actually change the question themselves, cross it
out and put an answer that fits then they're going to get the
mark. So don't worry about that.
Sir orbital know what? We obviously we, you know, we
can't obviously change the question.
We've never done that before. No, no sir.
That's absolutely fine. We've taken care of that.
I've actually got another call, so that's all.
Thank you so much for your call today and I'll see you next
time. Hey, Charlie.
It's still me. It's, you still got me.
Oh, sorry, sir, Justin. I was just saying that by their
see you later. This, this is Hello everyone and
welcome back to another episode of teach sleep.
Repeat, this is episode 16. My name is Dylan and my name is
Hayden and that's get you heard at the start and actual thing
that have well, okay, maybe that didn't actually happen.
That wasn't actually a recording that but wasn't there wasn't
mistaken this. No, no, that wasn't actually.
That was, that was something we recreate that.
I know. It's very, very realistic but we
did recreate that. But yeah, Hayden there was
actually well, you can you This is just this is just crazy.
Right there was an actual mistake in the SATs paper.
I was shocked. Not that you know what?
Not really there's been a mistake before a couple years
ago but I'm shot at the fact that they spend so much money on
this every year. The only data we have by the way
is back from like 2012. That's the last bit of data.
I can find that's a publicly accessible and how much they
spend. And it was 35 million pounds 35
million pounds for the standards and testing the standards and
testing Agency for the SATs. So the sat-sun for the same
time, what you're calling them? The sun, that's passed a budget
for the literal. The Key Safety side /.
So the mistake just so everyone knows the mistake was in the
maths paper and it might sound insignificant to people
listening who are teachers and stuff.
But like you've got to remember how specific we are.
And we teach these children vocabulary and maths and how we
look out for these kinds of things.
And the question was, I think it was something Square.
I think was for squared, Or 7 squared something like that,
plus blank squared. So the exponent was written down
blank squared equals an answer and what the children had to
realize was that it had to equal 9.
So something squared has to equal 9.
That's what the question was asking, but the question said,
write down the square number in the Gap.
Now, there's a problem here because nine is three squared
and the children had to write down three in the For it to work
three if you're not sure isn't a square number.
So the question saying, write down a square number really
through a lot of children off, who were taught to very
carefully. Read the question.
They know it has to add up to answer 9, but there's no number.
That's a square number that we can then Square to get nine as
an answer. So this is a mistake on the
paper Hayden. Can you explain what the answer
actual schemes? This is crazy.
And this is what the reason we did this get, by the way, is
because we think they, As this and which will explain the mark
scheme. We think they realized to this
maybe in the later stages everything's printed
everything's been sending, you know, sent out or whatever and I
can't turn back now because the answer seems scheme says except
three as an answer because obviously that is the actual
answer they were hoping for but because it says, write a square
number there. The answer scheme says, if
they've crossed out the little to Italy, she says that, if
they've if they've crossed out the little too and written nine
there, instead you just give him that as well, they could that
they can leave So if they've changed a little question, if
they change the, I love this because if this is going to set
a precedent and I'll teach all my children's do this, just
write 0 and change the question. It is 0 plus 0 or 0 squared.
Yeah, or one, take away. One is fine if we change the
question. Good on ya, Lads.
Let's get a Mark, I just couldn't believe.
You know what people listening that aren't in?
The teaching world are probably thinking.
This is pathetic. Like why are these guys even
riled up by this? They've just miss the tiniest
thing. But you have to understand.
It's never happened before the children.
Cannot change anything in the paper.
And we explicitly. Teach them that.
You cannot change the pay. You can't just cross out part of
the question and then put your own number there.
That's not right, but they clearly made a mistake.
There, 1.7 million Budget on writing the papers clearly
wasn't enough to to, you know, to check.
They had to, I did have to write 6 whole papers to be fair that
I'm that's quite a lot and to be honest with you, I think most of
the budget went on making the English paper as hard as
possible, so we'll let him off this time.
That was one thing that happened this week.
Obviously the publication of all the sets papers Hayden, how's
your week, apart from that me, I've been part of it.
You know what? It's be great.
I don't want to go too much detail about, you know, the main
things. And it's also episode the rest
of the residential, because I was able talk about that later.
But I got a couple of funny things just to, you know, to
Enlighten you with first things first, you know, I talked about
my bird problem. All right.
Not the problem of all, you know, you know, the women
flocking towards me and we call numbers all, you're not using a
derogatory term for what. Huh, I'm not like that.
Oh, About the animal about animals.
I was specifically saying I'm not derogatory like that he
called in the manimals. You disgusting man, get out of
here. So my bird problem right in the,
in the roof someone wrote in and said it was it was Andrew who's
raised fast before he said I had to stop your podcast when I was
cooking my dinner to message you because I have the same problem
I have had for the last two years.
Loads and loads of parakeet. Nesting in the soffits of my
roof and I cannot get rid of them and he went into, great
detail to tell me how originally went up there and, you know, you
just put some like anti nesting stuff up there that you can buy,
didn't do anything. He said, they literally picked
up and trucked out. They chucked it back on the
floor, it was like, well, I'm going to be more serious now.
So put up the classic like metal Spike things, that they don't
come and land there anymore. That didn't stop them.
Just moved up a little bit and then sent me a picture.
He was like, Yep, this is my house right now and it's a
picture and there's like, 12 parakeets living A beautiful.
That's the thing that, you know, that lovely green birds, that
seem to be around here, some reason.
Yeah. There's like there's like loads
of folklore around that because where we live, for those
listeners where where we live there is, there are just these
this group of parakeets, like, and there's like, this whole
folklore behind why they're here, like there was a don't
belong here. There's like a story that
apparently, someone used to keep them and they escaped, and
they've kind of just adapted to the world, but there are literal
parakeets it's gone. That's two minutes.
I wouldn't know whether to be like quite grateful or hate it.
I think I very quickly. I think he called them beautiful
pests and it's like yeah that's perfect as they are really
pretty but that don't really want them in your that's what a
lot of people have called you an apology.
It's a beautiful pair style, take it 5050 that's not too bad
you know but one other thing before you know let you talk
that won't ever end and I thank you today something really well
actually before you carry on I was just today, something really
funny happened and I had to share with you.
I even said to you when I saw you today I was I've got
something funny of the Don't let me forget.
So, isn't that pathetic how our relationship has descended into
that? Like, weird jokes aside?
I've got something hilarious to tell you, but I can't tell you
now. I'm gonna record it later.
What a fuck, what are we doing? We're living a lie anyway.
I don't know the story. I don't, I don't this better be
worth the reaction, but I didn't get assembly scientist.
It's a short story. So in maths today we this week,
we've been learning. It's like a money week that if
anyone else does that. Any teachers out there?
My money week is a common thing and today's lesson was all about
in. Lawrence and a little fun tasks,
was the end of the lesson was, right?
Okay. You guys are going to pair up.
I mean, sorry, but insurance, and fun tasks where they go.
I know I thought that when I started the lesson, but they
will weirdly into it, weirdly into it.
Anyway, that's asked, was to create their own insurance
company. They got to make up something
they're going to ensure and then I'll mate how much more fun
could this get? Because this is what a story at
people at home on the edge of their seats.
I've got a really cool story. I'm talking about insurance and
it goes out to make their own. Shorts Company.
What I can't wear this code, it's all make a claim.
The song. Make no medical life.
He's all right. No, I made a claim but these two
boys made their insurance company and they decided they
were going to ensure toys as like, yeah, we're gonna make it
a toy insurance company. If your toys break will give you
ten toys back, was their idea and they decided to call their
company. The toy boys.
They had obviously like no, no, understanding of the kind of
toys. They were running around.
But yeah, with the toys, we do this wooden toys and apparently
they went to their English lesson as well and was still
referred to himself as the toy boys.
And then the teacher is like what?
Like not knowing the context and it just cracked cracked me up.
I couldn't help but laugh they thought their pictures was
really funny and I was just laughing at toy.
Boys Highlights Highlights. We've got to today then.
Well, how was school today? Yeah, not bad, mr.
Stevens blowers are blow dryer, and it is sometimes tables.
And then and then we let the other company and called us the
toy boys. It was lovely.
Oh yeah, what did you sell kids worried at this point insurance
insurance, that's really fun. That's all right, then?
That to be fair was well worth it.
I really regret Garden. You that I knew you between your
face you're like shut up. It's quite a good story.
Maybe Giggles anything, it's funny.
I was going to actually something I thought about just
from that is we've been doing money this week.
I know what, when you say my money week, that's what your 6
after the Saturn. It's very much like life skill
with my. Yeah, exactly that.
We've been, we've been teaching. I've been teaching money to buy
your fours, and I'm sure, let's teach this out.
I can't help but put it in the context of Because I think it's
so important. And, you know, when we do money
on the curriculum, it's like comparing amounts of money and
and knowing how Pence and pound work and how to, you know,
convert them and they may be using them in a context of like,
an addition problem or subtraction or something like
that, but I can't help but go into, like, almost just a
discussion with them about money and just to see, how they
understand money, because the curriculum is quite outdated,
actually, when it comes to money, because we spend a lot of
time looking at notes and coins and albeit important. 85% of my
transactions are cashless and in society, it's going that way
where, you know, children need to kind of learn as well.
You know, my children didn't know this from the discussion.
They didn't understand how a bank work.
Then understand what a card was. They didn't quite understand
that when you tap your card, that's not just like a
confirmation. You want something real money is
left your account. And we kind of got into that
whole discussion of. Well how do you get money in
your account? And they thought the bank just
gave people money and I was like, no, thanks job is to hold.
Motorbikes money is two steps to steal your money when they need
it. Failure.
And the point, the point I was making to them.
I wrote a really want to choose to make this point in that,
like, more for like their parents at home to be like when
you're asking for something, if you unlike if you know how much
you get paid per month, because they were asking me how much I
get paid and they were like, I'll just tell us to step.
Just tell us, is it over 100 pounds and I was like, I'm not
going to tell you but all I'll say is, it's more than 1,000
pound because I knew they think thousand-pound was huge.
Yeah. And as it's more than a A
thousand pound every month that I get paid to do this job.
They were like flabbergasted, like, oh my what?
Like, hey, what you watching? You get like Super Soakers every
week. Like, what toys?
Oh my gosh. And I was like, okay, but I'm
going to, I'm going to do something now.
I'm going to explain to you every single thing that comes
out of that immediately before I even see it.
And I was like we have to pay the government money because
that's how why we can go to the hospital and why the police get
paid. We help to pay for that kind of
thing and then I've got to pay my bills, you know, I live in a
house, I've got to pay I've got to pay back the money to buy the
house. I've also got to pay for
something that we like to call eating.
Yes. Like I was just doing all this
joke is, if to say it gets, it gets taken away by everything.
You don't take into account, it's not just toys and stuff.
Yeah. Anyway, the conversation evolved
and I haven't had my wallet with me that day, and I had a note,
and I had some coins and have a bank card, so, I got it all out.
I've got it all out for them and, you know, they see your
wallet there. Like, you've got your wall, my
God. Yes, this is like and I so I got
out a 20 pound note, and I was showing it and I grabbed some
coins and I had my card and as I was a different It's between me.
What can I use them for thinking?
I was being like, art. Look at me.
I like a really Hands-On teacher when just just dropped a stack
of 50s. Oh, sorry kids.
So yeah, just there's that 7 Grand.
Sorry, it's where it's going because there was one kid at the
front. No, I didn't actually do that
but there's one could at the front who kind of just like set
back in his chair and we're on video now.
I don't have you know, so you can actually watch this in the
video me acting this out. So I know I'm going to drop out
the mic here. So you just sit back like this,
right? And it just kind of like Lisa,
as if he was like, fed up with me, right?
I was like, you're right, me was what's the matter?
And he was like, I know what you're doing.
What would you think I'm doing? You just trying to show off
because you got the money flexing.
That's why he banned in my hand and I was like, he thought of
just showing up, okay? I would put this back and I'm
just go back to my smart board of a crudely drawn Queen on my
specimen on the boards. If I never lit up in your bag
where you went to the bank this morning I got your hot the whole
life savings out. We don't work showing that the
idea that I was actually trying to show off me, just call me out
on it. Yeah, you can't do it.
Now, I'm not trying to show off. I get my phone like, cancel the
parade until the might cancel cancel.
Cancel the money gun. I'm not?
No, no. We're not gonna do anymore.
Yeah, yeah, it's Kris down here. Tell Chris countdown.
Because impressed, just don't play the video of me a
millionaire. Don't do it.
Just don't let still pull the plug.
Pull the plug note. Everyone knows you're on.
How did I say that, by the way? Did he ever mention that?
Did we do mention that? You are, Who Wants To Be A
Millionaire? I don't think we did, we
probably shouldn't to the podcast listeners because they
might think you're showing off by the kids, like, just have
that kid again. Yeah, this guy.
Yeah, sure enough. But shop just saying so, that's
true. Not shown up what you did was
essentially what we did in my money week.
Basically, we talked about budgeting expenses and
outgoings. Well, this is the problem.
The, the actual learning objective, the lesson was to
compare amounts of money. Which we ended up doing flat 20
minutes again because I just, I just felt like that was like, so
just in the grand scheme of things.
Yeah, I just feel like sometimes the conversation takes you down.
They're so engaged in like that's good, just learning more
about money and like, you know, when your parents say no, we
can't afford that and you think well, you get paid.
It's like doesn't work like that.
That's not how real life works. So yeah, that was really fun.
I wanted to bring up something. I did an assembly to you just to
completely undermine you because I thought it was funny.
So we have In our school, every time at the minute we're doing a
timestamp, rock star competition, and I think it's
like correct answers per pupil as an average per year group
against each other and its really to encourage the lower
school to kind of get on the teacher rock stars more because
the four times table check is coming up and but yeah, five and
six are kind of, you know, getting on board as well.
So we announced this huge, we have this huge Trophy and Hayden
and I worry and the year, five knew they'd won.
So they they kind of were like they were coming to us.
Assembly, like giving it the big.
I am. The new it was being announced.
They were like Whispering. Yeah, we've won.
We've been him. Yeah, we smashed it.
We came from behind and I was talking to them and I was just
like, you know, just egging them up a bit because it's meant to
be exciting, but then obviously you're an assembly is meant to
be quiet and teachers without noticing what was going on which
like, she's assembly? Sorry, sorry.
But I got Hayden that turned around and had this behind me
with this trophy in his hand, this big listening Trophy and in
hated starts trying to like, you know, just be fun and with the
kids and rather much as I hated, hey, baby.
Sheesh. Yeah, but it's a star for just
trying to get them to calm down a bit.
I do let's not roll them up and they do.
Okay. Okay, so so I immediately
thought of an idea to roll them up.
No, no, don't do this. So I took the trophy of his hand
staring into it cuz it's like glistening like a mirror and
then I just turn to your five and I just pretend to like do my
hair and so my hair just to make them laugh.
I give the trophy back to Hayden walked out.
I was honestly looking at your disbelief.
I couldn't believe that within three seconds of you and you are
Serious as well and I know it has been serious because he's
serious. Phase comes with its own.
Actually that's not do this because teaches you to write
them up immediately does it and look at you thinking are used,
did you really just do the thing?
You just told me not to do it instantly often.
And the thing that's worse about this is I didn't even plan it.
I didn't plan on was being genuinely shit.
Oh, I don't get the kids in trouble when it starts writing
that. But then I just thought of
something funny and I was like, oh, that ways.
It funny thing. But, yeah, I like that you just
left. You did believe straight after
as well, left me with it. A group of kids waiting in my
car. I need to go and teach some
apps, but yeah, those there was one other thing from this week.
I know it's been a long catch up, but I thought it might just,
you know, important to say. And it was I thought was really
useful and that was our staff meeting.
We had this week, I thought was really good and it was just
highlighting about mental health and I think we always do this,
we plant the seed for a future episode.
I'm going to get too deep into it now, but it was just, it was
just around the mental health of our young people in the country
and that the Outlook it just looks quite bleak.
I mean, I came out of it, full of, you know, lots of cool ideas
ways, to help children, but we do have a bit of a mental health
crisis in this country, don't worry?
Yeah, for sure. I mean, some of the graphs we
saw, they showed us in the presentation, we're really
alarming. What they, in terms of the
difference is even in the last five years, I could see it was
like, a huge spike in in people's or self, identifying or
being diagnosed with any kind of sort of mental health issue.
Yes, it was scary. As it was like twenty percent in
some of the fuck up member like what the group of people it was?
I think it was it was like, Likely to have flat based on
statistics and stuff because it's so hard to get diagnosed
because of backlogs and waiting times, some people not coming
forward. It was like, best guess kind of
thing, and it was a huge proportion and, you know, covid
had an impact, but I think lots of things are calm, and I don't
think it's as simple as to say, well covid.
I think that was definitely a factor, but there's lots of
stuff in our society. That, you know, it's good that
we're getting the training. Basically is what I thought.
I thought this is called because there's certain things I need to
take out of this ways to approach children, ways of
living Get amazing, their emotions which we've always
said, haven't we understand? That's important.
But it's and there's one example.
I just want to say which I know everyone does.
And it'd be really interesting to hear what everyone like who's
listening to this, then probably say, oh I've done that before,
which is, we think is helpful, but it's quite harmful.
And the example given was when a child kind of comes up to you
and says, Ah, I'm such an I'm so stupid.
I'm such an idiot. I'm this, I'm that and they talk
negatively about themselves. Mmm.
And our natural reaction is to kind of immediately jump.
Now, you know? No, you're not.
No, no, you're not, you're not. And it was just this idea of
they immediately don't feel listened to.
And and there whether it's true or not, we're not.
And the joke was don't agree with them that we're not saying,
say, you watch it, but but I thought the Outlook of actually,
you need to legitimize those thoughts and say, wow, I
understand what you're feeling and that must step must be
horrible to have those thoughts about yourself and always ground
something in concrete evidence about.
But, you know, last last week, actually, you are so, Helpful,
when these two, these two girls needed needed.
Someone to talk to. You are such a good friend to
them and I think they really appreciated that and instead of
just kind of brushing off, I don't know that stuck with you
as well. You know, funny enough.
I'm kind of glad you said that because I was also thinking of
the same example and that's trying to put into practice, I
was like what happens in my classroom where maybe, I, maybe
I don't give enough or the right response to certain things and
it really made me reflect on my practice, like, immediately from
that day. And I thought the classic is up
on other thing. I reckon a lot of people
experience is If someone is someone that sounds really
awful. But if you have a child that
complains quite a lot about various minor things, like, I
don't wanna go outside today. I don't want to do that.
I don't even do that. Oh, this person doesn't like me
anymore, and it's like the fifth time they've fallen out this
month. You can very quickly and easily
and not really realize it become a little bit like, oh yeah,
you'll be right? Because because because you are,
this happens all the time and actually probably we shouldn't
do that. We should actually legitimize it
and talk them through every single time genuinely.
I actually think we should do. Have that?
At time and it made me think I was like, yeah, I reckon I've
done that in the last week or two I reckon someone has come up
to me and I've dismissed it a bit more than I should have
thinking. Are they?
You know, they always find, they will sort this thing out.
So no actually stop for a second and go.
Oh, you're feeling like, that's interesting.
You you felt like this again, you felt like this a few times
recently, haven't you? I'm really sorry you're feeling
that way, that must stop my suck.
Like, I wonder, we can what we can do to try and help that
rather than just our you'll be. All right, go on, go outside the
city. The classic response to
anything? You'll be a cool guy.
So I guess a fresh air you'll be right get-go.
Every towel on it. I'm sorry.
I said I feel sad when Talent is true when I was younger.
I had the same kind of, you know, when you're younger and
you're forming your opinions and I think when you're like a late
teens early early, like adulthood, it's really easy to
jump on, like, you know, those slogans like I'm thinking of
things like immigration. It's very easy to, but that's
wrong. Okay.
And like, when you see like these commentators say, no, it's
wrong, it's don't do that. I think, when you're young it,
you can latch onto something without thinking too deeply
about it. And the one thing that always
sticks with me surrounding me. Mental health is I remember when
I changed my mind on this, and I just kind of felt like I became
more mature. Was there was a lot of kind of
talk around mental health issues back.
Then, there was, they weren't talked about as much as they are
today even 10 years ago, but they were like, starting to
become legitimised and I remember someone said something
about our there, just attention-seeking, you know,
when they, when they say like, oh this, oh, that owe me.
It's very easy to be like, oh, you just seeking some attention
and I remember the day that my thought on that switched and it
and it To thinking. Okay.
So yeah, like that, that was, that was so.
So what? Like okay, so there's two
options here they're just they're just seeking attention
and I'm going to give it to them.
And oh, aren't I have fool for falling into the Trap and giving
them attention no harm done? Yeah, or they really do need
attention there. They're seriously in a
conundrum, they get that attention they need and their
helped and it's like cool that is without doubt better than the
other option which is I just assumed they don't need it.
It and they need help and they don't get it.
It's like cool. Give everyone that helped and
attention. We're going to catch the people
who need it. Some people who don't need it.
Got it. And all they've got a bit of
attention. They were craving.
Yeah. Cool.
That's better though, isn't it? That that is better than the
other option of our, they're just all speaking Italian.
Yeah it's all rubbish in it and those people go through the
state for the net. Yeah.
And assuming that they don't know, one needs help and no one
gets any help. We have this toxic culture form.
Where are stiff upper lip? Everyone don't tell you about
your problems because you just attention-seeking.
I agree. I do find it weird that
attention-seeking even has a negative connotation.
Doesn't it? It sounds like a bad thing.
I'm conditioned to think that's a bad thing.
Attention seeking that literally sounds like a negative thing to
me, it's mad, is that why is that - they need some attention?
Like what mad fish went about children is all I wanted to say,
like, you know, there's so the developing so much emotionally
hormone development and things. Yeah.
Okay. It might be annoying and they
might be, they might be seeking attention.
Cool. Yeah.
Give it to them. Oh yeah, just give them the
attention. So there.
There was one other stat that I thought was interesting in are
trying to get your thoughts on it, really?
If I don't, if you noticed it in the in the training but it was
that it was a status code across three years.
Hello? Sorry.
Three age groups. That's what it was.
It was like really early children like teenagers and then
late teens, which are 16 to 18, and it showed that whole, like
likely to have mental health problems or issues.
And I thought it was so interesting how the boys bar
Started fairly high and it was higher than the girls bar in
young, like primary school age, just slightly higher than the
girls bar. And then when it got to the
teenage years, the boys bar was basically the exact same size
and the girls bar had like nearly doubled.
And then when it got to 16 to 18, the girls bar was like,
astronomically High. And the boys went down, it was
like, what? It was like a fifth, the size of
the girls bar, and I was just like, I can't believe there is
that much difference in, in the genders, you know?
I mean, and how the boys have gone down over Time that there's
generally less mental health issues, in the girls had rapidly
gone up in primary school. I just, I don't know if you had
any thoughts about that, or notice that yourself?
Now, I did, I did notice it, and he kind of referenced it again,
and I think there's multiple things you can point to here.
And the number one thing he was talking about is, how in general
Women's Health tends to be diagnosed later, it on nearly
every respect. Like, it tends to be much later
on down the line. If you think about ASD
diagnosis, has ADHD, you think about the Preschool setting it's
so heavily weighted towards boys getting a diagnosis for that.
Right? Yeah.
And I think girls tend to get diagnosis for that kind of thing
later on. I think it's the same kind of
idea of it. You know, they can kind of cope
with it. Early slip through the net, a
lot of attention goes on to boys and then later on and you gotta
think with young women as well. Obviously starting to go through
changes and stuff as they go through their age Gap.
No expert on this but he kind of touched on it a bit and said,
there are various reasons for this.
It's just crazy, isn't it in this world?
Are, you know, we are very much conditioned to because of the
right for you, no charge for equality and making sure
everything equal opportunities. Making sure everyone has the
same kind of, you know, rights and things like that.
Which is so important that it does kind of juxtapose to this
this idea sometimes with some stats are so split by gender,
like call. We need all of this.
We need all this quality and stuff, but there are Stark
differences in the needs and the outcomes for different genders
still now So we still need to address them.
Yeah, no, that's cool. It was, I found it.
Yeah, super interesting. And I'm definitely gonna be a
lot more aware of it. I think it's cool and
particularly aware of that that stat with the girls and boys.
I just, I don't know, I don't know what it's gonna do to me,
but I'm but I'm more aware of it now, shall we?
Give the viewers and the listeners, a little break,
through the jungle, like it like that.
You know, they do the usual go get a Cuppa.
So each we do not think that, that we do where we do the same
joke for six episodes in a row, actually, become bored a bit,
never mention it again, but I the prefix, we do that with
which story. Okay.
Yeah, jingle time, guys. Go and grab a drink.
Alright, now we've actually just ended up doing the mental
episode future as we're talking about it for ages.
Let's go into the bulk of this one.
You all clicked on this episode. I by the way, very quickly last
week and a few weeks before Hayden sometimes there's like
all don't wanna spoil what we're talking about, guys, keep in
touch. They've clicked the episode
mate, it's in the title 19 around.
I knew that Dan and I just didn't want to talk about the
content early on our side. Anyway, you've clicked on it.
We're half an hour into I meant I've helped podcast episode
which is called residential so I supposed to talk about the
residential you won't, you went on one last week, Hayden.
I'm going to throw it straight over to you, obviously,
residential's huge part of a kid's development.
I think every person in the country, remember their Primary
School develop, Primary School residential trip like really
formative memories for them. Really like big steps, you know,
overcoming fears, hey into having a thing happened when you
went well, they all remember something.
They'll remember the day that I got noticed.
I got recognized. What you mean the most important
thing that happened there all about me.
I was selfish, but something cool.
That happened was wait. Is this actually about you?
Yeah, it's actually about me. I knew you'd take the mixer
going. There we go, go ahead.
All right, so I'm not even Jack. This is so cool.
I feel famous, right? I was standing in the little
playground area where we all star lineup and meet the next
instructor for the thing. And I Random child from another
school. Came out to me.
I thought maybe that an issue, maybe there's something happened
with one of our children or something and said, excuse me
really polite. Excuse me.
And I are you okay if hello did not knowing who this child was
at all? He said, are you do I recognize
you from Top Dog and my face lit up?
I was like yeah you do how and I was just like flabbergasted
there's some random person top fan obviously had had
recognized. You seen me across the
playground I thought Is that guy?
I've watched their YouTube videos that unbelievable.
So there you go. It's amazing first time.
So for those that don't know. Yeah, it says it in the bottom
left corner of our podcast. But we have we, you know, we run
the company Tata title podcast, title, yet.
Podcast podcast, thumbnail podcast thumbnail.
Yeah. Thanks for interrupting with the
wrong. Don't answer, don't you touring?
And we make YouTube videos for children is not possible to talk
about that again, in the future. But yeah, I recognized you
recognize me from it. So I felt quite famous and the
kids from our school, a lot of them like words, Kind of
earwigging, obviously, and saw that I was talking to her
another run, some random child and they were like, getting
getting Territorial and defensive.
Yeah. Yeah.
Ready ready?
Ready to fight for their teacher?
And they were like, hey, when I came back over and one of them
came, a big pat on the back and was like, really miss is Divas
in the presence of a famous. Man having me, Chris is one kid
that's seen our videos and and that was the highlight for
everyone. Oh yeah for sure.
Yeah. Forget like kids conquering
their abseiling fears or anything?
Yeah a guy recognized me from YouTube people.
Yeah yeah I can I see this is so sad.
And again if you don't have children you'll be like what
really is this anything but any teachers will know how much more
win. This is.
I can honestly say every single child that we took, which was
like Fifty four kids, ate their food without any trouble, every
lunch and dinner time, no one had any problems.
They all just got food. Sat down and ate it all and it
was amazing because that never happened that ladies and
gentlemen, is the bar that we set our children.
If you've got a, if it doesn't happen, you know, there's a
food, you know this. If you're listening to this
you're thinking why are you know, there's always but I can't
eat any of this or I feel sick. I don't have any of that or
someone refuses. Amazing.
And the second best bit actually this is the best bit.
That was the second best bit. They all went to sleep.
They all hold my goodness. Went to sleep our children, ate,
and slept ate, and teacher of the year slept.
Okay? We always joking, reside
ourselves, huge that when you were you on a residential last
year and we do we know where we prepare ourselves mentally as
teachers, like, we're going to be able to am because the
children are just going to be just constantly annoying and up
and excited, which I'm all for, by the way.
I actually like I love that the children do it because it's
often their first experience remotely if I doing in something
like this, so I'm like, yeah, whatever, you know, there's got
to be boundaries, but This is the time to let them have a
little bit of fun, you know. But they weren't absolute was
like it got like 11 p.m. and we were sort of sat in the
corridors thinking, right? When we better go and check and
everyone was asleep both nights and I was like oh this is bliss.
This is bliss. So yeah, great I had a great
time. So I mean what a residential
trip you've got noticed. And the kids ate and slept.
Yeah. I mean yeah.
Oh they did do some activities in the middle as well.
They were good to yeah. But other than that is a symptom
like like, you know, like real like team bonding like about is
that comes That data is but sleep early.
No, it's tea party. So congratulations.
Congratulations. Big.
I just thought that we could like kind of expand on this a
little bit more and just talk about residential's in general
because they are unbelievably like important, right?
I think there's no doubt about that unbelievably important.
But as always, in this podcast, we like to talk about the things
that slightly annoyed sometimes, so I'm going to dive straight
in. Oh yeah, no complain about
something Domo mildly inconvenient, love it.
For the first time the other day, by the way, someone said,
oh yeah, it's making me question my, whether I'm going in the
right career or not, and I'm so awful, I felt awful.
But the context was that she'd kind of come to the Cod crossed
a bit later, might be listen to this right now, Color cast and
the kodkod class because I can't talk properly for more than 10
words and arrived. So obviously I got that one
right on the podcast. And she was up to I think that's
just finished episode 7 and 8 and I think that's what we kind
of realized that it might be coming across it Moni and I
think episode 10, Is like our favorite Primary School memories
ever. Yeah, so I was just like, oh,
keep going because I think we do realize this and we get very
much more purposely positive. But anyway, lost track of what I
was saying now, it's going back to the residential and I think
it's, I think it's such a good thing for the children, but I've
got to come in with something. I see consistently which is that
if you happen to be put in the year group, in which the
residential happens, sometimes here, for some 06 all the time.
No I'm showing other schools. You know any point the
expectation there for to go on the residential trip as if it's
not hours and hours of extra work that you're just expected
to do because you're literally leaving your house and going and
and staying and facilitating a holiday for your children.
Yeah, this really splits teachers.
I think teachers right now very heavily towards workloads to hi.
It's unacceptable. That's why there's so many
strikes but this is a real leveler.
I see a lot of people Arguing say no, this really is, you
know, it's for the children. It's part of the job.
You should just do it. What are your thoughts on the
whole situation of just kind of the expectation?
Well, I'll just say firstly. I've been very fortunate in my
career to have never experienced that pressure.
So the school's I've worked and I've been on I've been on
residential of all the schools I've worked at and not once have
I felt like it was an expectation of me to go.
It is always been very much or will you know in a question
which is really nice. So clearly a lot of schools are
doing it right. But I agree and I have seen and
we I think we've even seen maybe the Online discussion, where low
the teachers were pitching in with their opinions.
On this, my personal opinion is that, of course, it should not
be an expectation. Like you said, some residents
was a five days long, we saw teachers there that were like,
yeah, we're on day four and I was thinking Christ day for like
three days. Feels a lot like a long time to
be away from home and basically working 24 hours a day.
You know, that obviously even when you're sleeping, you can be
woken up by the children that need things, you have to be
ready. So you are working the whole
time. So That reason, I think it's
ludicrous. If there are any schools out
there or any members of SRT that may be organized a trip that
actually expect their teachers to go on it without, you know,
asking them essentially because it's just, it's just mad.
And I know there's lots of teachers as well and place
positions where they just can't they just can't they have life
commitments. Perhaps they're a carer or they
have like animals and things to look after and they just can't
like, it might cost them loads of money to permits.
Put the animals in kennels or something like hot dogs.
It's just it's not fair to say. Oh no.
Yeah, but you're in your 60s. You got to say okay, well it's
still just a job like, okay? Take the three teacher.
Why is that different? Yeah, and at what really there
was one point, there are certain points, I get when people are
like you know it's such an important thing for the kids
schools have to make it happen actually agree with that.
I think schools should do what they can to make it happen.
Even if it means like you said, taking a teacher from a
different year. Group who can do it or wants to
do it and then duck shifting around your staff for the week
like I That's absolutely fine. But you know, the idea of, you
know, you're expected to do something.
I just really, really don't like it because especially when
there's nothing given in kind of Lu, let's say in low days and
then yes, that was it. That was the discussion point.
It was someone said couch. It should, I should I went on
the kit I went on a residential trip.
Should I be expected to get a day in low back and that was the
argument. People haven't, sorry, exactly.
And the no, no, that was that was exactly it.
And but the response to Is that I really didn't like was it was
almost condescending and it was kind of like, well, you know,
it's part of the role of being a teaching or wider
responsibilities. We have an obligation to do this
and someone made the point. Now at that another point was
and it's really fun. They were like oh it's fine,
it's really fun. Like but why not just go and do
it is such a great experience and I wanted to just reply.
I can't remember, I did, I think I just stayed out because it was
like one of those classic hundreds of comments threads as
like there's not get involved and but what is replying to say?
So at what point does it become irrelevant relevant of how fun
the job is like it's a job, right?
It's a job. It's a job.
We are away on work 24/7, looking after the kit.
Yeah, it's fun. Does that mean I suddenly don't
get paid or am expect that to Triple my hours for no reason.
It's irrelevant that person is going to be shocked when they
find out the staff that work at the residential actually get
paid as well. They don't just do it brings
fun. Wait, what?
It's fun though? It's like cool fun will pay.
My bills fan will mean that the the You know, the things I have
to change in my life for that week to go away and
presidential. It just would never happen,
right? You'd get compensated, I just
don't understand this Outlook that we have, it's lovely,
right? And it's that classic thing.
We always say of when someone in the school goes above and
beyond, who are we to put them down for doing that like that?
And that's lovely. If they if they want to do an
after school club or before school club for no money because
they're passionate about something.
It's a passion project, they want to get the kids involved
in. Like, you know, it might be like
a science club that they just got this love for.
That should never be put down. I really hate the attitude of
saying, oh, don't go extra because then we all have to go
extra that, don't do that. But equally when that's used as
something against someone, it's so toxic is horrible.
It's like, well, you know, every other year or the year, six
staff have gone cool and and they want to do it for free.
Nice one. Yeah, I don't.
Yeah, I'm not going to I know. And that's, that's the thing.
Isn't people. Often said to me in my career
I've heard it from multiple experience people over time,
which is that It is nice when people do things that are above
and beyond the contract. And what we need to do, you
know, about what we require to do.
But when it sets a new precedent, then it's a problem
and and unfortunately, we're human beings.
It does tend to do that. So I do understand why people
say, you know, you know, people get annoyed at people that go
above and beyond. I do actually get that because
maybe they've just experienced in their career are, you know,
every other time that's happened, a new president, slips
in and now that's the new standard and suddenly everyone's
workloads higher. Just passively because enough
people did this free thing. So I think we have to really,
really care for that in this career.
A career. That's probably exclusively got
the state. It's in because of people's
Goodwill just being taken advantage of and then becoming
expectation over time. So it's a really hard one isn't
because like you said, are you clearly don't want to put those
people down because they're passionate and they're doing
something amazing. So, where is the line?
Where's the middle ground of? I think to me, the middle ground
in that situation, is allowing that to happen and especially
thinking, from a leadership position of of, absolutely
loving someone doing that. Imagine being a leader and
putting someone down for going. The extra mile.
You like, put going extra miles, amazing.
I think that the middle ground is leadership making it
abundantly clear that this person is going out of their way
to do this and it is absolutely not the expectation and I
absolutely want to put on record.
Don't just assume this put on record that yet.
It's amazing. They've done.
So, I'm praising them, but I do not think any less of the job
anyone else is doing. Yeah.
That's like that's it, isn't it? I think praising them is good
but it doesn't have to be praising them and then suddenly
thinking, oh, you're not up to a stand.
That it's praise that person and then praise the rest of them.
Something else they're doing really well because we all go
above and beyond in different ways.
I think you're right. That's it.
That's you've nailed it on the head leadership.
It has to be done. It has to be leadership taking
control of that situation. So, another thing I want to talk
about with residential's, it's bit more like more weighted
towards kind of families and children, now, rather than sort
each, Teachers and staff is a constant problem across again.
Across my career is that it costs a lot of money, and I
always feel a bit rubbish. I always do this, is little bit
of guilt in me, because not all the children can come and I hate
that. I hate that because it's okay,
of course, it costs money, like, it can't be free.
It just with it, you know, it's not going to work like that, but
I really, really, really, really hate that.
There are latino children every year that can't come and I know,
I just know that the only reason they're not coming.
It's because the family kind of thought.
To send them on that trip. That just, I don't know it.
I don't really I don't know what I say about it, but it's just
one of those things I want to highlight and I don't know if
you've got anything to say on that topic.
You just you just showing your human right.
That's simple as that. And it is that it's this, it's
this its life, it is life, its this world, we live in.
It's this, you know, let's go meted out.
It's capitalism. Like, it is the world we live in
and the problem is from our point of view is we work in
state schools, right? Where, it's Everyone comes to a
state school, no matter their background and they get the the
input and the education that they deserve of the highest
standard that we could possibly give them.
And you know that we have pupil premium funding in schools to
help those disadvantaged to give them extra steps.
Give them extra help to kind of try and bridge that Gap because
there is not only the Gap in what you're saying there.
In terms of experiences like the trip, there's the gap which
comes with being less well-off on the whole is attainment.
Slow That is a fact that's why we have this pupil premium fun.
So, there's always that Gap. And as teachers we're all
passionate about trying to close that Gap, as much as possible to
try and help social Mobility. No one wants the fact that
there, you know, their parents, you know, wealth to negatively
impact them. And it's almost the same kind of
logic as what we just talked about.
If someone is from a wealthy background, I also don't like
the idea of holding them back because it tastes like it leaves
a bad taste in the mouth. Okay?
I don't want to Kind of hold people back from excelling but
I'm really really really passionate about not letting
people dip because of their yeah lack that wealth inequalities.
Yeah, I think that's really important and we're always
trying to bridge that Gap. We're trying to close that Gap
and as Society becomes less and less equal that gaps going to
get bigger and bigger. And you know what you're saying,
is One symptom of that, where we work in a state school, where we
provide everyone with an equal education apart from, by the
way, this really important social Social aspect which like
molds you as a person and you get to go away from home for the
first time and yeah you learn is that apart from that.
You can't get that, sorry, because you can't afford it.
And that that is just, it's, it's just from our point of view
is Teachers, that's always going to sit badly.
Because over the years, I know, there are other children.
I can just think of in my head now that I know, haven't come on
the trips over the years who I just think God, they would have
benefited so much socially from that trip and they didn't get to
come. But the two things that I've
experienced that the schools have done because obviously I
like I said, I've worked in different.
Schools. I've had residential's are as
follows, and I think they're really a pretty decent work
around to be fair. So one school, I worked at one
year. We had a really, really high
percentage of people premium children at the school at that
time and we were able to allocate the funding to
basically pull together enough money that they could all go.
And a lot of that came from pupil pupil premium funding
which is and it just it just worked out and I are so pleased
because everyone got to come on the trip.
So that was like a dream situation but typically Happens.
And it happened this year with us.
When children don't come, is the children, stay behind equally,
do something fun and adventurous and I must say, the teacher in
our group, who stay behind this year, went to so much effort, to
genuinely put on an apt and actually amazing few days for
the children, stay behind. So the point where so I was
actually worried that some children will be like we're
coming on the trip but will be. It'll be like, can I stay?
Because that sounds really good. They had such a good time like
they, like They went outside and did lots of activities and team
building stuff and and they also got to go on like a little
Cinema trip. You just felt that it was like
they had and I'm so glad and it makes me feel so much better,
that they actually did have a good time and they weren't just
out of school thinking, I wish I was on that trip.
Yeah, you know, and how much so much of our job is like I think
I think it's underestimated and I underestimated in myself how
much of like an emotional toll things have because it like, it
does really emotionally affect me seeing in a quality, like, in
front of me, mmm, and I it makes me feel horrible that I'm so
powerless and I think that's what makes me feel so
passionate. Like, you know what, I'm like
Hayden in terms of political, like, my political Outlook.
I'm quite outspoken and I love talking about it and I'm very
passionate about these things because because I literally see
it in front of me. And I think every school teacher
can say, the same thing that we get to see such a cross-section
of society and they'll be some schools in affluent areas some
school, in poor areas, but most schools, you'll see a cross
section of a Every background you can and you see some
children in your class who you make such a bond with that.
You try so hard to make such an impact on their lives and you
love these kids. By the time, you know, after a
few months you make such a bond with them and but it's so
emotionally wrenching when you just make that realization that
there's only so much you can do because of the social structures
and the social limitations on their background and you know
where they've come from. And you've, you're putting,
you're applying Band-Aid sometimes you're like, just
trying to get them through and you want the best for them.
And it's so frustrating when that has to come from structures
that you don't have control over, like social care and
education as a whole and it that's where my passion comes
from. It's like these are the most
disadvantaged kids in the country.
I don't care. I will argue to the hill that
it's a relevant, their parents situation, and whether they do
you think they deserve, It or not.
There's a kid here. There is a literal child here
and it's the kind of argument that makes me think of course
School dinners need to be free for children.
They are children who need to eat food and that's one way as a
society that we could just make sure they get one good meal a
day. Is that like too much to ask
really that as a society, we can club together to feed our kids
and if you don't want to take that up because you're wealthier
or you want to have your own fine do that then.
But like, but oh no, someone got a free dinner and their parents
might have afford it, get over yourself, give the kids food.
Like it it just gets simple as that for me.
And this is small things we can do.
And I'm going on the right now because it does, it does really
affect me. It does really affect me when I
see such unfairness and I'm so passionate about trying to make
a difference, but I only know, there's only so far, one person
can go and like, an individualistic time.
We need like wholesale change. I feel like I might have rolled
you up. By telling you that obviously
not all the children are school. Got to witness me being
recognized. So I apologize it if that's a
major step because I understand that obviously that was it would
have been a huge life-changing moment for our children are not
and that is social injustice. That's social injustice at its
heart. I know we need more kids seeing
teachers getting recognized for YouTube videos.
Yeah yeah. So I do apologize for writing
about them but I think it's time to move on.
We've got one final section before we leave, you lovely
viewers and listeners today and today we've got a little bit of
toxicity in schools. But before we do that though, I
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week. Hayden back to you guys, as you
can tell, you know, Dylan loves having a bit of a rant, a rant,
as he calls it. So, I thought, what better ways,
when this podcast and with a bit of toxicity in schools, Actually
Dylan I think this will spark a nice conversation.
So I'm going to read to you something that as always, I've
read on a forum and I thought well, that's interesting.
Interesting opinion moment before you start, I'll just get
my blood pressure monitor, ready?
Yeah. I've also just realized it
wearing it under the T-shirt, I love that, by the way go and
check out our earlier episodes. If you have no idea what Dylan's
t-shirt means, it's taking them right back out of Wreck.
It Ralph ready. If you know what I mean when I
say Wreck-It Ralph, then you are an OG G listener.
But you ready for this, telling you gonna get You're gonna get
all understand riled up. This person said I work mornings
every day. No point for contracts.
Quite common. Okay, goddess are annoying.
Try to get me. Riled up already.
You haven't done that, but yeah, me, I understand that.
I, that I do not have to attend after school.
Meetings, obviously part of their contract.
I've offered to join on Zoom, but this has been turned down on
the grounds that if I'm granted. This then all those would start
expecting it. I hate that excuse by the way,
sorry, so yeah. Oh my gosh, hate that.
Well if we give you this thing that's perfect.
Seasonable everyone else might want this perfectly reasonable
thing, hate that, by the way, very toxic straight away and
they put I don't get why. That's a problem.
Anyway, also offer to stay at the meetings are held at
lunchtime or I can catch up by basically, I don't want to hang
around all day is their point because they only work trapped.
I'm right trapped on exactly that.
So, the upset from this person comes from this, that wasn't
accepted. She's been harassed and
harassing arrest of emails from like certainly SLT around the
school. Being like, Oh, you really do
need to be at these meetings. And she wait, I thought it was
that she didn't have 20. She saying she shouldn't have to
come. Yeah.
She's saying, she's alright. Yeah, side.
Like she's saying it's very much in her Conrad doesn't have to
but the school now that her head of Department, I think it's a
secondary school is really peed off basically and upset that
this person isn't attending these meetings because I need to
get the information cool and has had loads and loads of emails
about it in the week and now they're saying things.
Like are you need to get explicit like permission written
down that you don't have to be at the meetings and all this was
rubbish and it's I just making this person's life he'll
basically. And she's Just said, I'm being
made to feel that I'm difficult and that I'm not a team player
and I don't want to have this talk with this person like it's
making me really uncomfortable and I feel harassed. so, there
you go, it, I just Let me start off by saying, okay, it's like a
needle, a Rigo's. I read it.
I realized that I go off on one and maybe it's emotional
sometimes and I think once or twice I've said things that
maybe I look back and I'm like, oh maybe I'm overreacting but
I'm gonna do anyway for the memes.
Gonna do it in? I am I struggle to Understand,
let me put it mildly how those people literally exist, mild
ii-i'm, nice and Mild. I really struggle to understand
how someone can be in that situation where they know the
contract of this person instead of just being a normal human
being and conversing with them. Like a human rather than a child
and maybe realizing that it's a job.
This sounds like the kind of person who maybe takes their
job. Very, very over-the-top.
Seriously. Like we were saying earlier goes
above and beyond perhaps its head of a head of a department
because they've worked incredibly hard and all fair
play to them. But seems to think that
projecting that onto other people as acceptable.
Mmm, it's not for a start. It's not acceptable.
You are there to fulfill a role as she is fulfilling her role
this person. Much as she needs to.
If she has offered so many solutions to this problem, which
don't involve her wasting four hours of a time to what is
essentially becoming full time. Because she's in school that
whole time, she's not cutting, but that's ridiculous to expect
her to have to stay that long without compensation.
At least there could be a discussion of well perhaps you
know, perhaps we could move your PPA to this afternoon and you're
getting paid therefore to stay in school and do your stuff that
there's look at that. You can we just think about this
when the meta perspective? Now of we do, so So much out of
school. Anyway.
Why are you trapping my time? Also, like this woman has
marking to this woman has planning to do, she might have
an afternoon where she's agreed this contract, because it's a
morning nor point for contract. Therefore, she has to go and do
something, which can't be moved, but even if she doesn't have
something which Can't Be Moved, it's not her job.
Let's repeat that one more time. It's not her job.
Yep. She could.
She I don't understand it. I'd loved.
I really want to have someone on I truly do.
Who has this kind of mindset of this person whose head of this
department and just, and I'll pretend to be civil for five
minutes with her talking, but I just want to hear like their
rationale because maybe I'm missing something here, maybe
I'm really out of touch, but to me, the argument always seems to
be well, it's work. Well, what are you gonna do?
Well, isn't it a tough one sport, but that's when the
meaning at that doesn't wash with me.
I don't get you need to explicitly Lane how it's
acceptable for you to expect me to do something which is
literally not in my contract just because get over yourself.
I'm not doing it. Well Done Hayden, you got me
riled up. Do you want to carry on with
this and thank you for listening to this episode of Dylan's
rants? I mean I'll just touch on one
point a bit more which is you mentioned trapped time.
I think it's interesting, I think it's good to talk about
it. I don't think everyone knows
what trapped time is necessarily, but for those
listening, it might apply to your jobs as well.
I don't know, but it certainly doesn't teaching, so the any you
guidance? Says that trapped time.
Is any use the union for teachers?
Just was Hayden. Let's say things and even tell
you what the mean, okay, I'm just gonna say the union the
union let's say we well you know, all right.
You can't say words. So the Union's defined trapped
time essentially as time in between two expert expected,
part of your contract where that you're not paid for that time
but it's not enough time to actually go home or like
basically have a life. So it's trapped time because
what, you know, you don't actually have to do anything and
that. So this is a Perfect example.
If you finish your contract finishes that that's a 12:30
okay and especially the teaching world you're probably realistic.
Not going to leave the building at 12:30 on the dot.
It's more likely the kids are going to go out to lunch at that
time and then you've got you get yourself sorted, right?
And then you expected to go to a meeting at 3:15.
All of that time in between that is not long enough that's not
reasonable amount of time for that person to go and carry on
doing whatever they have a commitments.
They might have with their day, so it's called traps time.
And if time has been trapped, it is a requirement that Is now
part of your director time and you're paid for it.
So that's the argument people are constantly having and what
they're battling against them, this woman clearly battling
against this because she's being asked to have trapped time every
single week with absolutely no remuneration or any
consideration or compromise that you said for that time which is
just completely unfair. And I'm on her side and I think
it's ridiculous. Well I guess at the end of the
day all I can say at least a director time system is
completely fair and works perfectly.
So I mean do you just take the risk?
Yeah, don't Go there. Okay, I think it's time to wrap
it up there. So before we finish a couple of
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but some really exciting people are coming on here to share
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So looking forward to bringing it to you guys.
So stacks of Listen again to what was a 50-50 episode?
They really, I guess we're a little bit of chat and the 50%
you chatting 50% you ranting. So it's good which I know just
1% of you in there somewhere. Was it?
My baldness wall? We nearly went an episode.
Oh, that mentioning it. We were so close.
I'm actually annoyed that you've done.
No I don't actually really annoyed me.
Ask you why don't you wrap me up one more time?
I think I think there's actually going to be a different title
for this podcast. Anyway, I'm getting riled up,
just thinking about it. Dylan gets riled part 1.
I don't know, residential's it. If you're still listening, it's
unbelievable. If you're still watching, get a
life when I see you next week. What you doing?
Bye, guys.