1 00:00:00,060 --> 00:00:02,350 Hello, welcome back to Teach Repeat the podcast where we keep 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,040 our finger on the education pulse and we deliver to you all 3 00:00:05,050 --> 00:00:08,630 the news and reviews and all the best things that you'll ever see 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,630 with some light, smouldering, smouldering. 5 00:00:13,460 --> 00:00:16,950 My name is Hayden and this is Dylan. 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,910 Dylan, you changed it up there. I know because you said earlier 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,260 we should do some kind of like let people know listening for 8 00:00:22,270 --> 00:00:24,520 the first time, like what the podcast is all about, and I feel 9 00:00:24,530 --> 00:00:26,470 like I did a solid 410 job. There. 10 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,500 No, I thought it started well. Yeah, and then? 11 00:00:28,510 --> 00:00:29,740 You got flustered. I got lost. 12 00:00:29,750 --> 00:00:31,410 Yeah. Because so I saw your face like, 13 00:00:31,420 --> 00:00:34,140 ohh yeah. Ohh, I've been not listening to 14 00:00:34,150 --> 00:00:36,870 a lot of Rob Beckett and Josh Williams. 15 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:38,600 Ohh Parenting Hell podcast. Yeah. 16 00:00:38,610 --> 00:00:40,800 And I noticed that they do that. So I was like, well, they're 17 00:00:40,810 --> 00:00:43,730 famous and funny. And we're. 18 00:00:43,740 --> 00:00:47,680 Trying to We're one of the two. I'm not sure we are, actually, 19 00:00:48,970 --> 00:00:50,450 and I thought it might be a good thing to do. 20 00:00:50,490 --> 00:00:52,340 Really good podcast, by the way. Have you listened to it? 21 00:00:52,730 --> 00:00:54,520 I don't like Josh Widdicombe voice. 22 00:00:54,690 --> 00:00:56,470 Really, he's very he's got a very particular. 23 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,160 Voices, I can't listen. To very, very nicely. 24 00:00:59,710 --> 00:01:01,280 I listen to a couple and I just think of it. 25 00:01:01,330 --> 00:01:04,230 I just think of it. But I mean, I I know it's great 26 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:06,820 podcast and I've listened to snippets which are really funny, 27 00:01:06,870 --> 00:01:08,660 but then I thought, I'm going to listen to a whole one, very 28 00:01:08,670 --> 00:01:10,430 recently actually. And I know this and I just 29 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:11,030 think. Of it. 30 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,800 Well, I'm not gonna be guest on our podcast now, are they? 31 00:01:12,850 --> 00:01:16,710 Ohh yeah, not now. Imagine otherwise. 32 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,370 Geez, we're gonna be right here. Yeah, just want to come. 33 00:01:19,380 --> 00:01:20,370 Great guy. Just don't listen. 34 00:01:20,380 --> 00:01:23,290 Your voice for now. Whereas you guys listening to 35 00:01:23,300 --> 00:01:24,680 this you. Well, let's do this right now. 36 00:01:24,690 --> 00:01:26,010 I don't you. Know I did like about the 37 00:01:26,020 --> 00:01:28,410 podcast they got. There was a lot of talk because 38 00:01:28,420 --> 00:01:29,970 I like it. Yeah, they get a lot of 39 00:01:29,980 --> 00:01:32,690 interaction people. They get people sending. 40 00:01:33,900 --> 00:01:36,330 People send in like little voice clips and stuff and they play 41 00:01:36,340 --> 00:01:39,130 them every week. Their podcast. 42 00:01:39,140 --> 00:01:40,450 I do like it when they don't interrupt. 43 00:01:40,460 --> 00:01:43,470 Each other like their podcast. So anyway, maybe. 44 00:01:45,450 --> 00:01:48,980 Yeah, they really they they do nice segments. 45 00:01:48,990 --> 00:01:51,400 They get like small businesses on to like. 46 00:01:51,730 --> 00:01:54,290 Hayden this is a chat which have separately not on my live on 47 00:01:54,300 --> 00:01:54,830 the. Podcast. 48 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,080 So why don't? We live is it is live, really 49 00:01:58,090 --> 00:02:00,230 live like we don't have anything like as well. 50 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,330 We live on the airwaves. Anyway, welcome new listeners. 51 00:02:04,410 --> 00:02:06,380 We talk all things education in this. 52 00:02:06,390 --> 00:02:10,110 Podcast and how was your week? Interrupts me. 53 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:11,730 You could. I think we should play a game 54 00:02:11,780 --> 00:02:14,540 where you guys keep tabs on how many times he interrupts. 55 00:02:14,550 --> 00:02:15,540 And not just. I don't know. 56 00:02:15,550 --> 00:02:17,050 I don't know. I don't but like when I'm 57 00:02:17,060 --> 00:02:18,770 midpoint, I'm mid sentence. He does it. 58 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,310 That's fun. I do it because I want to save 59 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,790 the I was about to swear. I want to save the viewers from 60 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,280 boredom. Hayden, by the way, just so we 61 00:02:28,290 --> 00:02:31,010 all know before this podcast starts, like, well, you're going 62 00:02:31,020 --> 00:02:32,370 to lead this one? Are you going to? 63 00:02:32,380 --> 00:02:34,480 Because I don't want to say. I just know what to say. 64 00:02:35,190 --> 00:02:36,510 I don't think what to say to them. 65 00:02:36,630 --> 00:02:38,600 You're gonna have to lead it. And then you know what? 66 00:02:38,610 --> 00:02:39,920 I do? I come into the podcast and I 67 00:02:39,930 --> 00:02:41,540 lead it. Control. 68 00:02:41,550 --> 00:02:42,780 That's not. True. 69 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:44,750 It's not true. Can I tell you what he really 70 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:45,670 did? I'm gonna show you all. 71 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,630 If you're watching, you're watching his little. 72 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:49,430 No. Normally it's a podcast most 73 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,920 people are watching. Normally we write our notes on a 74 00:02:52,930 --> 00:02:55,830 on a shared screen, right? And he's that there is little 75 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,240 notes screwing, a screwing notes on this little notepad. 76 00:02:58,250 --> 00:02:59,240 And then he went and he closed it. 77 00:02:59,250 --> 00:03:01,530 Like kids at school, they don't want their partners to cheat. 78 00:03:01,540 --> 00:03:03,140 He closed it over like that. Like, no. 79 00:03:03,290 --> 00:03:04,600 And I was like, I haven't written anything down. 80 00:03:04,610 --> 00:03:05,900 I need to know what the conversation points. 81 00:03:05,910 --> 00:03:12,530 I was like write your own ones. It's a shared podcast, honestly. 82 00:03:12,730 --> 00:03:15,000 Go. Because what happens is I'll 83 00:03:15,010 --> 00:03:17,460 write my points and then I'll be like, I can't wait to make that 84 00:03:17,470 --> 00:03:19,470 point and we'll go to the podcast and you'll be sat there 85 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,380 going, yeah, I was just. Thinking, actually. 86 00:03:21,390 --> 00:03:24,340 And you're saying my prepared point really good. 87 00:03:24,410 --> 00:03:27,830 So I thought what we could do is like like we haven't prepared 88 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,020 properly anyone who listens. I'm sorry if this is your first 89 00:03:30,030 --> 00:03:32,110 podcast episode. This is slightly unhinged. 90 00:03:32,530 --> 00:03:35,110 We Yeah. Well, I mean I don't know why 91 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,160 you still listening but I we prepare it. 92 00:03:38,230 --> 00:03:41,090 I thought we call this week if I just have my own points and we 93 00:03:41,100 --> 00:03:43,720 just have more of a. That is good, but I just want 94 00:03:43,730 --> 00:03:46,260 like you, I just want to know what the overarching points were 95 00:03:46,270 --> 00:03:47,580 to talk about. Otherwise I am just. 96 00:03:47,590 --> 00:03:50,350 You know the title of this episode is Does School Prepare 97 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,800 Children for Real Life? Yeah, I was gonna read what you 98 00:03:52,810 --> 00:03:54,150 put there, but you did it grammatically incorrect. 99 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:54,910 I was gonna show you. Up. 100 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:56,420 That's the school. The school. 101 00:03:56,430 --> 00:03:58,080 Just one of them. Just one school. 102 00:03:59,590 --> 00:04:02,210 Yeah, that's right. That's only one score, only 103 00:04:02,220 --> 00:04:04,450 working 1 score. But as always, before we go dive 104 00:04:04,460 --> 00:04:07,190 straight into what we actually talk this week, we are going to 105 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,190 catch up and have a little chat about what's happened this week 106 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,950 in the world of education and our own lives, indeed ourselves. 107 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,790 Hayden, how's your week? Been that's nice, bit lovely 108 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,760 week as always. Come up to Sats, get a little 109 00:04:15,770 --> 00:04:17,610 bit stressful, but still pretty pretty. 110 00:04:17,620 --> 00:04:20,620 Unusual year six teacher, right. So do you feel stressed at this 111 00:04:20,630 --> 00:04:24,080 point, having done it so often? A little bit, like a little bit. 112 00:04:24,090 --> 00:04:26,480 I'm not stressed about the kids doing. 113 00:04:27,090 --> 00:04:29,810 It's more like the it's just the feel of like people getting a 114 00:04:29,820 --> 00:04:32,020 bit like when we got to make sure we talk this actually ohh 115 00:04:32,030 --> 00:04:34,190 haven't done this in a while and and also me I put the pressure 116 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,330 on myself like ohh actually if I haven't recapped everything like 117 00:04:37,340 --> 00:04:39,270 fairly recently there's a chance they might have gotten that 118 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:40,770 thing. So I need to be really cautious 119 00:04:40,780 --> 00:04:43,220 to like I haven't got I haven't got extra time that this this is 120 00:04:43,230 --> 00:04:45,350 the date that's on. I need to make sure, Oh no, I 121 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,020 didn't do Roman numerals and ages that might come up. 122 00:04:47,030 --> 00:04:48,550 Even though it's completely pointless, it might come up in 123 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:49,890 the Sats. That's. 124 00:04:49,900 --> 00:04:52,170 You find yourself falling this trap then, even though your 125 00:04:52,180 --> 00:04:54,010 personal opinion is you don't really care, right? 126 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,490 Yeah, yeah, I'm. I don't not care, I think. 127 00:04:56,500 --> 00:04:58,030 No, no, I'm sorry. Let me be really clear. 128 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,730 You don't care about the fact that it might come up in this 129 00:05:00,740 --> 00:05:02,900 arbitrary paper that we've all decided is really important. 130 00:05:02,910 --> 00:05:05,090 Like you're gonna teach your kids stuff, obviously, but like, 131 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,760 you don't actually care about the whole SAT system in. 132 00:05:08,770 --> 00:05:11,790 That you know you don't. Think it's as highly regarded. 133 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,430 As it should. No, I think we need to chill out 134 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,530 on putting pressure on 11 year olds to to performance test them 135 00:05:16,540 --> 00:05:17,710 literally is meaningless to them. 136 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,310 Like genuinely people sometimes pretend. 137 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,740 I pretend sometimes to make myself feel better that this 138 00:05:21,750 --> 00:05:23,050 test has any meaning on anything. 139 00:05:23,060 --> 00:05:25,230 And it literally doesn't. So I'm like, no, we probably 140 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,090 should just chill out a little bit, but no, I'm not feeling too 141 00:05:28,100 --> 00:05:30,000 much pressure. Maybe the week before I'll be a 142 00:05:30,010 --> 00:05:32,200 bit like all God have I done my job properly. 143 00:05:32,210 --> 00:05:33,590 I sure everything I should have done but it's. 144 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,380 Alright, quite normal. I suppose that in any old job 145 00:05:35,390 --> 00:05:37,880 when yeah, what, what, what this, what the Sats essentially 146 00:05:37,890 --> 00:05:40,080 is for you guys in year six especially even I know it's key 147 00:05:40,090 --> 00:05:42,660 stage two exam, I know it's testing everything, but it's 148 00:05:42,670 --> 00:05:45,960 particularly in year six, it's like that kind of pride does 149 00:05:45,970 --> 00:05:48,440 come into it, doesn't it? It's like if you feel like your 150 00:05:48,450 --> 00:05:50,710 kids have underachieved for where they should be, then 151 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,600 that's not a nice feeling. Yeah, exactly. 152 00:05:52,610 --> 00:05:54,950 Especially if you did the final stretch with them right? 153 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,660 When when realistically, like memories aren't perfect, are 154 00:05:57,670 --> 00:06:00,230 they? So realistically, the last year 155 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:01,940 is going to make the biggest impact in terms of what they 156 00:06:01,950 --> 00:06:03,520 remember in that test. Sure, sure. 157 00:06:03,530 --> 00:06:05,410 So I don't know. But other than that one nice 158 00:06:05,420 --> 00:06:07,450 little win we've had our school, which I just share with our 159 00:06:07,460 --> 00:06:09,210 listeners, I know, you know, because you work at the same 160 00:06:09,220 --> 00:06:12,040 school as me is last week we talked about using AI or week 161 00:06:12,050 --> 00:06:14,310 before, I don't know about using AI to write reports. 162 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,040 And actually our school has come out since then and just made it 163 00:06:17,050 --> 00:06:19,020 really clear in a staff meeting that is completely fine to do 164 00:06:19,030 --> 00:06:20,200 that. And I'm glad they did that 165 00:06:20,210 --> 00:06:22,520 because I think people are still a bit like the formula to use 166 00:06:22,530 --> 00:06:24,080 AI. Of course you are. 167 00:06:24,270 --> 00:06:25,790 A I is great for writing. Reports. 168 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,280 And if you're not, no one will know. 169 00:06:27,290 --> 00:06:29,360 Do it anyway. Yeah, what are they going to? 170 00:06:29,370 --> 00:06:29,900 Do. I don't know. 171 00:06:29,910 --> 00:06:31,200 They're quite easy to say, aren't they? 172 00:06:31,570 --> 00:06:32,890 But you could just say no, I wrote them. 173 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:33,650 Yeah. And what? 174 00:06:33,660 --> 00:06:34,520 Honestly, what? Happened. 175 00:06:34,530 --> 00:06:36,750 Yeah, Bosco was really good. They just said look this is 176 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,120 honestly spent 5 minutes doing it. 177 00:06:38,130 --> 00:06:40,270 I just said look this is this is an example as my eye software 178 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:42,270 you can use. They're really good and This is 179 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:45,050 why it's OK and the reasons we're basically you're still 180 00:06:45,060 --> 00:06:46,750 inputting everything personal about the child. 181 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,490 All the tool is doing is saving you 5 minutes structuring it 182 00:06:50,500 --> 00:06:52,930 into a beautiful paragraph. It will just do it for you, 183 00:06:53,020 --> 00:06:56,040 probably better than you can do. And those 5 minutes multiply, 184 00:06:56,050 --> 00:06:57,950 don't they? Yeah, when it's 5 minutes per 185 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,250 kid for one subject. OK, well, each kid has four 186 00:07:00,260 --> 00:07:01,610 subjects. I've got to write 4 and I've got 187 00:07:01,620 --> 00:07:02,750 32. Yeah. 188 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:04,030 So you can extrapolate that you do the. 189 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:05,170 Math. So use a I. 190 00:07:05,180 --> 00:07:06,600 It's really good for writing reports. 191 00:07:06,610 --> 00:07:08,340 It will save you a lot of time, and they're pretty good. 192 00:07:08,350 --> 00:07:10,370 At the end of the day. What about you, Declan? 193 00:07:10,380 --> 00:07:11,690 Good week. Yeah, good week. 194 00:07:11,740 --> 00:07:14,600 A couple of things. I guess one would be again 195 00:07:14,610 --> 00:07:16,770 highlights in our school. We're big up our school here. 196 00:07:16,780 --> 00:07:20,040 I very much enjoy our school. And as anyone who's listening to 197 00:07:20,050 --> 00:07:22,510 the podcast knows, we had Ofsted at the end of last year. 198 00:07:22,620 --> 00:07:25,050 If you're a new listener, go back and look at our podcast 199 00:07:25,060 --> 00:07:27,870 episode Ohh Offset experience. It was very enlightening. 200 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,070 Obviously we're very vocal about the fact we absolutely do think 201 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,510 that Ofsted is completely broken. 202 00:07:32,620 --> 00:07:34,830 However, it's still a thing that exists and you know teachers do 203 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,730 need to be held to account. We went through it, yes, schools 204 00:07:36,740 --> 00:07:38,550 need to be accountable. We went for the whole process. 205 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,050 It was a really nice and cathartic. 206 00:07:40,060 --> 00:07:42,160 I thought afterwards to talk through it and it's worth 207 00:07:42,170 --> 00:07:44,510 listening to. But anyway the point is that our 208 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:49,230 head after that experience and Ofsted does why heap on the 209 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,750 pressure of any school for a good at least a year, probably 2 210 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,940 years before they actually come Because you know when they're 211 00:07:54,950 --> 00:07:57,390 coming you need to put a lot of effort into preparing. 212 00:07:57,820 --> 00:08:00,490 So our head said cool, every single person in the in the 213 00:08:00,500 --> 00:08:03,280 school gets a day. In lieu just could. 214 00:08:03,290 --> 00:08:04,530 We went through Ofsted basically. 215 00:08:04,570 --> 00:08:06,520 So it's been known as very nice, the Ofsted Day. 216 00:08:06,590 --> 00:08:08,900 And yeah, it's fantastic. And his point was like, I could 217 00:08:08,910 --> 00:08:11,120 do a lot of things to try and help but actually you just want 218 00:08:11,130 --> 00:08:12,970 some time. And I was like absolutely true. 219 00:08:12,980 --> 00:08:15,360 Like what everyone says, the best thing for well-being is 220 00:08:15,370 --> 00:08:16,450 just. Times not going to. 221 00:08:16,460 --> 00:08:21,060 Work it's not, yeah, exactly what it's doing the job. 222 00:08:21,190 --> 00:08:24,230 So I had my well-being day. My friend need financial 223 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,120 planning as his name. He for his, I think it was a 224 00:08:28,130 --> 00:08:30,240 birthday gift. You're given some gig tickets in 225 00:08:30,250 --> 00:08:33,460 London for a comedy event and so I went out with him. 226 00:08:33,530 --> 00:08:35,350 Watch that and we made a day of it. 227 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,470 Rather than like rushing after school, going to London, umm, we 228 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,510 went to Camden Market at loads of food. 229 00:08:40,580 --> 00:08:43,130 I put on our Instagram, rate my plate and I love how seriously 230 00:08:43,140 --> 00:08:45,270 people took it. When I see like a sliding scale 231 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,300 thing on Instagram, I usually just slide it all out because. 232 00:08:47,310 --> 00:08:48,430 I want. I took it seriously because you 233 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,030 put one little quite cheesy, Yes, I made sure to put that 234 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:52,310 right down. Just Cheeses Rank. 235 00:08:52,370 --> 00:08:53,960 Exactly. And and looking through like the 236 00:08:53,970 --> 00:08:55,270 same people obviously voting each one. 237 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,810 It's very interesting and very insightful to see where ohh, you 238 00:08:57,820 --> 00:09:00,250 like the pasta dish. Anyway, that was a really nice 239 00:09:00,260 --> 00:09:02,770 day, really enjoyed it. And yeah, that's a direct that 240 00:09:02,780 --> 00:09:07,120 is a direct consequence of someone SLT, a head teacher 241 00:09:07,310 --> 00:09:10,780 taking well-being seriously. And I feel great for it. 242 00:09:10,790 --> 00:09:14,580 And I was very grateful. And do you know what it kind of 243 00:09:14,590 --> 00:09:16,560 juxtaposes? Like doing less work because 244 00:09:16,570 --> 00:09:18,880 genuinely in the future now. But like, that was nice. 245 00:09:18,890 --> 00:09:21,020 I am, Of course I don't mind doing this thing. 246 00:09:21,070 --> 00:09:23,690 It's like, you know, scratching, you scratch my back, I scratch 247 00:09:23,700 --> 00:09:25,240 your back kind of thing. Like it's just. 248 00:09:25,340 --> 00:09:27,100 Sort of psychological game and that treat. 249 00:09:27,110 --> 00:09:29,960 People. With respect, we saw months ago, 250 00:09:29,970 --> 00:09:32,390 we mentioned it because someone put it on Facebook or something 251 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,930 and they were saying about how when they worked at a school was 252 00:09:34,940 --> 00:09:36,610 toxic. They were like, hell, no, I'm 253 00:09:36,620 --> 00:09:38,070 not doing anything extra, I'm not doing it. 254 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,320 And then they worked at a school where they were treated nicely. 255 00:09:40,330 --> 00:09:42,430 They were like, yeah, I don't mind doing a club and it was 256 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,380 like it was the same amount of work, but they were just treated 257 00:09:44,390 --> 00:09:45,760 nicely. So it does make a difference. 258 00:09:45,810 --> 00:09:48,680 Yeah, because your mental state. Exhaustion is one thing. 259 00:09:48,690 --> 00:09:50,740 I don't think anyone's a teacher and isn't actually always 260 00:09:50,750 --> 00:09:53,370 exhausted. Like I don't we were we were 261 00:09:53,380 --> 00:09:57,150 talking earlier about the whole thing of I think teaching is 262 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,400 this thing where we are walking a tightrope where anyone doing 263 00:10:01,410 --> 00:10:04,670 the job could very easily fall one side or the other into 264 00:10:04,680 --> 00:10:06,770 complete burnout. Hating the role and and really 265 00:10:06,780 --> 00:10:08,880 like falling out of love of teaching and the other side 266 00:10:08,890 --> 00:10:10,760 which is actually still really enjoying being with the kids and 267 00:10:10,770 --> 00:10:13,250 loving your loving your job. And I think the biggest 268 00:10:13,260 --> 00:10:15,960 determiner for that fact is the school you work in rather than 269 00:10:15,970 --> 00:10:16,960 the person you are. Yeah. 270 00:10:16,970 --> 00:10:19,830 I think almost anyone who's a teacher, if they're in the wrong 271 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,970 environment and toxic school, where they're undermined or 272 00:10:22,980 --> 00:10:26,180 forced to do work or just treated like rubbish, treated 273 00:10:26,190 --> 00:10:28,660 not like a person, treated not like someone with a family at 274 00:10:28,670 --> 00:10:30,520 home, treat it like someone who's got no, you've got no 275 00:10:30,530 --> 00:10:31,780 interest. You wanna do that evening, I 276 00:10:31,790 --> 00:10:32,820 don't know. You gonna go and do this 277 00:10:32,830 --> 00:10:35,460 planning for me that's gonna drive anyone to despair. 278 00:10:35,470 --> 00:10:38,650 Whereas I think the thing we have to do a teaching is is 279 00:10:38,660 --> 00:10:40,660 really nurture that. And you've always said this and 280 00:10:40,670 --> 00:10:42,720 it's stuck with me and I completely agree with you. 281 00:10:42,910 --> 00:10:45,560 If we ever stepped into a role of SLT or did anything like that 282 00:10:45,570 --> 00:10:47,740 in the future, what the number one thing would be the 283 00:10:47,750 --> 00:10:50,480 well-being of the teacher, Because everything else stems 284 00:10:50,490 --> 00:10:51,960 from that. If you want to just expand that. 285 00:10:51,970 --> 00:10:53,900 I reckon it be controversial by the way, because I'd be really 286 00:10:53,910 --> 00:10:56,430 vocal about it. They're like no, no, no staff 287 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:57,850 come. First because he here you go 288 00:10:57,860 --> 00:10:58,900 then. So I'm going to be the person 289 00:10:58,910 --> 00:11:01,970 you say that I I work at the score and down the road and I 290 00:11:01,980 --> 00:11:05,470 I'm even I'm offended or whatever and say what ridiculous 291 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,750 things of course the. Children of staff come. 292 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,530 First, why? I say because they do. 293 00:11:09,540 --> 00:11:11,050 I walk away and leave you hanging. 294 00:11:11,340 --> 00:11:13,910 No, it's it's simple, isn't it? It's more provocative than it 295 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,230 really like saying that statement. 296 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,850 What I what I mean by that is if you have happy staff, they will 297 00:11:17,860 --> 00:11:18,920 do a good job. Simple as that. 298 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,030 And then, but inadvertently, by putting your staff first, you're 299 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,200 putting the children first as well because they will just do a 300 00:11:24,210 --> 00:11:25,450 better job. Simple as that. 301 00:11:25,510 --> 00:11:27,110 It's just. I don't know, maybe it's not as 302 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,270 simple as that and I'm oversimplifying it, but to me I 303 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,630 think it's a a simple way of thinking. 304 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,200 About you do it, mate, he said. Yeah, you know, I might do. 305 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,240 I might. Do more than watch it burn and. 306 00:11:37,250 --> 00:11:40,560 I'll employ you. You can be like Admin Assistant. 307 00:11:40,570 --> 00:11:42,590 Or something. I appreciate that roles reversed 308 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:48,010 once. So I saw something this week in 309 00:11:48,020 --> 00:11:50,190 the news I wanted to talk about and I'm hoping it develops into 310 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,410 a bit of a discussion. Don't interrupt me. 311 00:11:52,420 --> 00:11:55,050 Thank you. There was a school in London and 312 00:11:55,060 --> 00:11:58,120 I had all debate with my family about this because a few of my 313 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,440 family members work in a school. Some don't obviously, but 314 00:12:00,450 --> 00:12:01,420 everyone's got an opinion on this. 315 00:12:01,430 --> 00:12:05,530 And that's why I found it really interesting is children are 316 00:12:05,540 --> 00:12:07,790 addicted to social media. That is a fact. 317 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,870 Children Hayden Stevens is addicted to TikTok. 318 00:12:11,940 --> 00:12:14,320 But I think you know, to me, it's different. 319 00:12:14,330 --> 00:12:15,580 Children, children are protected. 320 00:12:16,370 --> 00:12:17,640 You talked a million times already. 321 00:12:17,650 --> 00:12:19,840 Go and see our episode The toxicity of teacher TikTok. 322 00:12:19,850 --> 00:12:21,450 I think that's a really. Good, well done. 323 00:12:21,460 --> 00:12:23,300 For saying that, I always consider you can't normally say 324 00:12:23,310 --> 00:12:26,480 words in general sentences. By the way, need financial 325 00:12:26,490 --> 00:12:28,800 planning. The guy I went with to to count 326 00:12:28,810 --> 00:12:30,240 them that time, that's his new name. 327 00:12:30,380 --> 00:12:32,380 He showed me on the way up on the train. 328 00:12:32,450 --> 00:12:36,280 He started to keep a note tab of everything that we get wrong 329 00:12:36,290 --> 00:12:39,070 with language and he only started on one episode. 330 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,450 There was already 3 on there and I was like, well, if you could 331 00:12:41,460 --> 00:12:44,090 be bothered you'd find hundreds if you go back because he 332 00:12:44,100 --> 00:12:45,880 realised that we constantly save things wrong. 333 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,220 I said something like it's not all roses and jolly and I mean 334 00:12:50,230 --> 00:12:52,310 like it's not like I was just saying it's easy. 335 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:53,750 I just mashed together two things. 336 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,030 Anyway, there was this big discussion. 337 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,880 It was on this morning. A head teacher in London has 338 00:12:58,890 --> 00:13:03,870 suggested a 12 hour school day. And the sole purpose being to 339 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,870 try and break the social media addiction of his children. 340 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,670 And this was a secondary school which I think we see a lot more 341 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,710 of the kind of, you know, social media problems. 342 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,490 Yeah, the phones are more right, The phones are more rife and the 343 00:13:15,500 --> 00:13:17,940 point was to break it up. What is? 344 00:13:17,950 --> 00:13:19,600 What is your thought on that immediately? 345 00:13:19,660 --> 00:13:23,010 I think the headline is very like click baiting and catching. 346 00:13:23,020 --> 00:13:25,150 My first thought on that was like, what an idiot, what's he 347 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,080 talking about? And then I didn't reload. 348 00:13:28,090 --> 00:13:30,600 I did just skim past it like I imagine a lot of people did and 349 00:13:30,610 --> 00:13:34,460 just looked at a little bit. And when I saw that it was, it 350 00:13:34,470 --> 00:13:37,870 was a controversial way, I guess, of being like, yeah, 351 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,880 because kids are on phones all the time and it's not. 352 00:13:40,890 --> 00:13:42,910 I'm not saying they should come and do maths and English for 12 353 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:43,870 hours. He was like, yeah, we'll just 354 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:45,710 provide tonnes of extra curricular stuff that really 355 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,050 they should, you know, back in the olden days, cooking do 356 00:13:48,060 --> 00:13:50,400 anyway, they cook and go out and play some football with their 357 00:13:50,410 --> 00:13:53,450 mates or go and do whatever. We'll just put all that on and 358 00:13:53,460 --> 00:13:56,530 just make kids do it. So I'm not, I'm not actually for 359 00:13:56,540 --> 00:13:59,150 it, I don't think, but I thought it was it compulsory. 360 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,250 I don't know. I don't think it was compulsory 361 00:14:01,260 --> 00:14:03,100 so that it was compulsory, I think that. 362 00:14:03,220 --> 00:14:05,390 Yeah, I doubt it was. I felt anyone would not go 363 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,550 through that thought and be like come to that conclusion. 364 00:14:07,820 --> 00:14:10,930 So in the end when I saw it was more, it wasn't as clickbaity as 365 00:14:10,940 --> 00:14:13,860 I thought, like, ohh, this teacher thinks everyone should 366 00:14:13,870 --> 00:14:15,590 be doing that. Everyone should be working 12 367 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,870 hours a day to teach kids. I realised that he's just making 368 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,270 a wider point about a massive issue, which is what you're 369 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:22,690 getting on about. And it is true, isn't it? 370 00:14:22,700 --> 00:14:24,600 Like it is a problem. It's a huge problem. 371 00:14:24,610 --> 00:14:25,810 It is a problem in primary school. 372 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,030 I can't even imagine what it's like in secondary school as a 373 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,450 year six teacher, I've had so many issues. 374 00:14:30,460 --> 00:14:37,900 It's the biggest issue issuing issue, the biggest category of 375 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,420 issues, categories what I'm looking. 376 00:14:40,430 --> 00:14:42,380 For I don't know what you're. Talking about, it's the biggest 377 00:14:42,390 --> 00:14:45,260 cause, right? The word cause, that one the 378 00:14:45,270 --> 00:14:46,780 cause of. Issue it teaches SAT. 379 00:14:48,340 --> 00:14:51,340 Like ohh, I've had in the past. I've taught year six for like 5 380 00:14:51,350 --> 00:14:53,720 or six years. I've had kids being caught on 381 00:14:53,730 --> 00:14:56,660 their on their phones making tik toks in school toilets. 382 00:14:56,670 --> 00:14:59,740 Yeah I've had kids making ticks by each other at home and like 383 00:14:59,750 --> 00:15:02,480 horrible things and making YouTube videos about each and 384 00:15:02,490 --> 00:15:05,020 horrible things and I'm just like Oh my God like social media 385 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,780 causes so many problems. The worst one. 386 00:15:06,820 --> 00:15:08,490 I don't know if you get this in your probably not. 387 00:15:08,500 --> 00:15:09,160 Probably too. Young. 388 00:15:10,170 --> 00:15:14,400 WhatsApp groups, man. Oh my God, I just can't get over 389 00:15:14,410 --> 00:15:15,020 how. What's that? 390 00:15:15,030 --> 00:15:17,980 To me, it's just this innocent. It's just a messaging thing and 391 00:15:17,990 --> 00:15:19,850 we use it for our business. Use it all the time, just 392 00:15:19,860 --> 00:15:22,990 personally talk to people's kids, make WhatsApp groups and 393 00:15:23,060 --> 00:15:26,970 just brutal to each other. They are ruthless, they send. 394 00:15:26,980 --> 00:15:29,790 Voice it's just another way of it's another platform that 395 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,190 allows bullying and stuff like that. 396 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,280 So I don't in that respect I want to separate this out 397 00:15:34,290 --> 00:15:36,590 because I don't think that WhatsApp is a problem. 398 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,640 I think children are going to find a way to be horrible to 399 00:15:38,650 --> 00:15:42,270 other children And and it's a bit I I get boomer, boomer kind 400 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,930 of vibes from someone who's like what did horrible. 401 00:15:44,940 --> 00:15:46,850 It's because it's WhatsApp like no it's not. 402 00:15:46,940 --> 00:15:49,940 This just used to happen on the way home from school or when you 403 00:15:49,950 --> 00:15:52,440 said when you used to go in the park and play Kirby with your 404 00:15:52,450 --> 00:15:53,080 football. Right. 405 00:15:53,090 --> 00:15:54,360 Yeah. Used to be horrible to other 406 00:15:54,370 --> 00:15:55,180 kids all the time. Right. 407 00:15:55,190 --> 00:15:56,960 So kids are gonna be able to have kids That's a problem 408 00:15:56,970 --> 00:15:58,640 that's ongoing. It's always going to be there. 409 00:15:58,710 --> 00:16:01,900 We have to be ways to you know step in and help them and stuff 410 00:16:01,910 --> 00:16:03,190 like that. It's kind of 10 we can get rid 411 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:04,200 of. We're not gonna solve that 412 00:16:04,210 --> 00:16:04,820 issue. Yeah. 413 00:16:04,860 --> 00:16:07,380 But I think that what's different to me is how 414 00:16:07,390 --> 00:16:12,620 incredibly mind rotting and horrible and disgusting the 415 00:16:12,630 --> 00:16:14,770 algorithm is. And and, you know, all you need 416 00:16:14,780 --> 00:16:18,160 to do is is talk to anyone who runs these companies. 417 00:16:18,170 --> 00:16:20,410 In Silicon Valley over in California, you were in charge. 418 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,310 They don't let their own kids on this kind of thing. 419 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:23,750 Yeah. And there's a reason, because 420 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,180 they know that it's terrible. Absolute brain. 421 00:16:26,190 --> 00:16:27,360 Wrong. Absolutely terrible for them. 422 00:16:27,370 --> 00:16:30,630 And I suppose my point, my my point is my wider point here is 423 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,670 I I don't think this is a bad idea because it's just, it's 424 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,590 basically saying to kids what we've always said. 425 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,870 Here are some enrichment activities that I'm, I'm 426 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:39,570 offering for you that you can come along to. 427 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,780 The only rule is when you come along, you find you don't bring 428 00:16:41,790 --> 00:16:42,230 your phone. Yeah. 429 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:43,900 And it's like you want some cooking something. 430 00:16:43,910 --> 00:16:45,770 OK, brilliant. I think that's absolutely 431 00:16:45,780 --> 00:16:47,580 fantastic. I think that's the only way 432 00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:48,770 we're actually gonna ever solve this. 433 00:16:48,780 --> 00:16:49,780 Problem. Do you think it work? 434 00:16:49,940 --> 00:16:52,640 Yeah, I think. I think it could work in that if 435 00:16:52,650 --> 00:16:55,370 in those three hours they'd be sat in their bedroom scrolling 436 00:16:55,380 --> 00:16:57,390 on TikTok, mindless, saying mind numbing, scrolling, scrolling, 437 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,020 scrolling, scrolling, getting brain rocked by being fed stuff 438 00:17:00,030 --> 00:17:01,390 which is age inappropriate for them. 439 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,860 They shouldn't be on it anyway. It's not filtered whatsoever. 440 00:17:04,030 --> 00:17:05,359 I think that's terrible for them. 441 00:17:05,369 --> 00:17:08,490 So if instead of doing it for five hours every evening, if 442 00:17:08,500 --> 00:17:10,730 they're doing it for two hours, but they also played a game of 443 00:17:10,740 --> 00:17:11,700 football and cooked a. Cake. 444 00:17:11,710 --> 00:17:14,040 If I wouldn't, I'll be like, I would just like. 445 00:17:14,050 --> 00:17:15,960 Yeah, that's fine. You're not part of that. 446 00:17:15,970 --> 00:17:18,190 You're you're not this problem. You shouldn't be forced. 447 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:19,640 You're you're still an issue. I'm not. 448 00:17:19,650 --> 00:17:22,450 It's not gonna solve the thing completely, but if if some kids 449 00:17:22,460 --> 00:17:24,470 do it, obviously a good. Thing Yeah, I guess some kids. 450 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,250 I just don't think kids do it. Maybe I'm sceptical. 451 00:17:26,260 --> 00:17:28,349 I my. Parents might forced into it and 452 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,370 I also just think sometimes you just have to like I wanna, I 453 00:17:31,380 --> 00:17:34,010 wanna ask you again just very clearly about the whole should 454 00:17:34,020 --> 00:17:35,550 should phones be banned in school? 455 00:17:35,660 --> 00:17:38,430 Because I am very much of the opinion that they absolutely 456 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,770 should. There is no need to have a 457 00:17:40,780 --> 00:17:44,030 smartphone in a school. It's not a Nokia where you just 458 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:45,790 phone your mum because you're walking home, right? 459 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,410 But I think in the hours where you're going to school, and I 460 00:17:48,420 --> 00:17:51,160 don't care if people disagree with this or not, like I've what 461 00:17:51,170 --> 00:17:52,500 about. No, I thought about this enough 462 00:17:52,510 --> 00:17:54,540 because people go, oh, it's quite that. 463 00:17:54,550 --> 00:17:56,820 There's that boomer. Ish, you know, of course kids 464 00:17:56,830 --> 00:17:58,120 will have phones in school. Yeah. 465 00:17:58,130 --> 00:18:00,160 Why? You know, it's just a rule. 466 00:18:00,210 --> 00:18:02,200 No, you don't. And if you bring them in, 467 00:18:02,210 --> 00:18:04,410 they're going a little plastic wallet or a case or something. 468 00:18:04,420 --> 00:18:06,360 They're locked away all day because you know what? 469 00:18:06,370 --> 00:18:08,120 At break time you can talk to your mates. 470 00:18:08,450 --> 00:18:10,220 You know, you don't need to scroll TikTok. 471 00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:13,500 We don't need to be pandering to 1415 year olds because they want 472 00:18:13,510 --> 00:18:15,120 to scroll and TikTok in their break time. 473 00:18:15,190 --> 00:18:18,320 No, you're in school to learn like other things. 474 00:18:18,330 --> 00:18:19,310 Enforcement. Exactly. 475 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:20,600 We know. You know, we have rules about 476 00:18:20,610 --> 00:18:22,930 uniform. We don't you go ohh OK no 477 00:18:22,940 --> 00:18:25,190 problem whether you agree with them or not different story but 478 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,550 we you it's OK to have rules sometimes and I think sometimes 479 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,810 people want to go the other way and it's like ohh but no we 480 00:18:30,820 --> 00:18:34,360 should we should have house anti liberal it's it's just. 481 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:35,780 They want to go now. I mean, I'd say we're. 482 00:18:35,790 --> 00:18:36,870 Yeah. And you were quite liberal 483 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,470 generally, aren't we? I think quite liberal thinkers. 484 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,420 But I do agree, I don't think school phones should be banned 485 00:18:41,430 --> 00:18:43,090 from the premises, but I do think they should be banned in 486 00:18:43,100 --> 00:18:45,450 school hours. So quite simply, like my, I 487 00:18:45,460 --> 00:18:48,590 think of my year six is right. And a lot of their argument was 488 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,400 what a lot of parents argument was, yeah, I'm not going to let 489 00:18:50,410 --> 00:18:51,720 them walk home though, unless I got a phone. 490 00:18:51,870 --> 00:18:53,540 I want them to be independent. So, OK, fair enough. 491 00:18:53,550 --> 00:18:55,880 So they bring it in school, they put it in a little pot, It 492 00:18:55,890 --> 00:18:58,220 stayed in the locked cupboard all day and they get it at the 493 00:18:58,230 --> 00:18:59,420 end of the day. I don't even give it to them. 494 00:18:59,430 --> 00:19:00,810 This, this is the issue. This is the like. 495 00:19:00,820 --> 00:19:03,410 I've learned this, by the way, because in the past I'd give, 496 00:19:03,420 --> 00:19:05,220 I'd give it to them in the classroom as they were leaving. 497 00:19:05,230 --> 00:19:06,500 Right, Say gone in, Here's your phone. 498 00:19:06,510 --> 00:19:07,850 Put in the bag. We're leaving now. 499 00:19:08,030 --> 00:19:10,380 I'll dismiss you. And even in that time, there 500 00:19:10,390 --> 00:19:12,280 have been kids that got in trouble for getting their phone 501 00:19:12,290 --> 00:19:14,200 out in the 20 seconds it takes it and filming something. 502 00:19:14,210 --> 00:19:16,500 And I'm like, Oh my God. So now I give the phones as 503 00:19:16,510 --> 00:19:18,680 they're like, there's my mum or my dad or I'm walking. 504 00:19:18,690 --> 00:19:20,400 So there's your phone, then off you go. 505 00:19:20,810 --> 00:19:23,050 And even now, I'm really harsh actually when they, even if 506 00:19:23,060 --> 00:19:24,920 they're just standing around waiting for someone from another 507 00:19:24,930 --> 00:19:26,240 class, come out of their sibling or something. 508 00:19:26,250 --> 00:19:27,580 No, no, I'm like, no, no, put your phone away. 509 00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:29,530 Yeah, they're like, you know, I'm gone now. 510 00:19:29,540 --> 00:19:31,860 It's like, OK, still standing like right here in school. 511 00:19:31,910 --> 00:19:33,900 You're still representing the school standing right there 512 00:19:33,910 --> 00:19:36,290 other kids coming out you anyway, you can put, you can get 513 00:19:36,300 --> 00:19:37,560 your phone out as soon as you leave that gate. 514 00:19:37,570 --> 00:19:39,380 I don't care. You do what you want, but you 515 00:19:39,390 --> 00:19:41,760 find a way. So yeah, I think, I think 516 00:19:41,770 --> 00:19:44,920 banning phones in school, they have no place or they do have a 517 00:19:44,930 --> 00:19:46,530 place that's a lie. But I think there's other ways 518 00:19:46,540 --> 00:19:47,560 you can do it, like a lot of people. 519 00:19:47,570 --> 00:19:49,170 Say if you want them. Not even that. 520 00:19:49,180 --> 00:19:50,540 But a lot of people say, oh, we can use smoke. 521 00:19:50,550 --> 00:19:52,430 Is is modern. You can get them, get them 522 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,360 engaged with their phones, putting like little games on it 523 00:19:54,370 --> 00:19:55,950 that come up. You know, like you will log in 524 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,630 on your phone and you tap the answers and stuff. 525 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,150 It's like, OK, have school. 1. Yeah, do an. 526 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,810 IPad have school. iPad have school, something And I know OK 527 00:20:01,820 --> 00:20:03,400 budget. You can keep going lower into 528 00:20:03,410 --> 00:20:05,760 the argument and as every. OK, budget. 529 00:20:05,770 --> 00:20:07,170 Does everyone have a smartphone then? 530 00:20:07,610 --> 00:20:09,130 Does every kid in your class have a smartphone? 531 00:20:09,140 --> 00:20:11,840 No, because I can't afford it. So that's a ridiculous argument 532 00:20:11,850 --> 00:20:14,350 to be like like, ohh, yeah, we're gonna rely on your 533 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:16,890 personal smart tech to do a lesson in class. 534 00:20:16,900 --> 00:20:18,490 That would be ridiculous. True. 535 00:20:18,860 --> 00:20:19,710 True. Yeah. 536 00:20:19,780 --> 00:20:21,430 Winds me up. Anyway, I saw it and I thought 537 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,470 the guy thought he got a lot of Flack for something, which I 538 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,620 think is quite nice. Got a lot of Flack for a for a 539 00:20:25,630 --> 00:20:28,370 headline, but yeah, yeah, yeah. Not his actual idea, yeah. 540 00:20:28,380 --> 00:20:31,000 Yeah. So again and and you know I 541 00:20:31,010 --> 00:20:33,010 don't think any teachers would be expected to do 12 hour day. 542 00:20:33,020 --> 00:20:35,860 It would just be do you want to. And if the answer is no, then 543 00:20:35,870 --> 00:20:37,740 cool down and didn't want to come, then cool down. 544 00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:39,620 But here's this really I thought was really cool idea. 545 00:20:39,630 --> 00:20:42,140 We can't sit here and be like enrichment so important for 546 00:20:42,150 --> 00:20:43,590 kids. Why are we giving them more 547 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,510 enrichment opportunities? And then this guy does that and 548 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,160 it's like, oh, that's awful that you should be. 549 00:20:47,210 --> 00:20:49,540 You should allow the kids to sit on TikTok for four hours. 550 00:20:49,550 --> 00:20:51,990 No last point, by the way. I don't want to move on, but you 551 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,020 can't make it work because I've worked in a primary school. 552 00:20:54,090 --> 00:20:56,450 There's not right to this extremity, but it it was a 553 00:20:56,460 --> 00:20:58,770 longer day, right? You can just have shifts like 554 00:20:58,780 --> 00:20:59,750 normal jobs. Yeah. 555 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,070 It doesn't mean you don't have to have teachers now working 556 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,960 like 17 hour days to allow this to happen. 557 00:21:03,970 --> 00:21:05,550 It's like you just have a teacher that does the normal 558 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:06,650 job. How do they work in that school? 559 00:21:06,660 --> 00:21:08,120 Though because so I. Went along the day. 560 00:21:08,130 --> 00:21:10,850 Yeah, I was in a in a free school that had just had very 561 00:21:10,860 --> 00:21:12,540 different timetable. The kids came in earlier and 562 00:21:12,550 --> 00:21:14,450 they generally went home like an hour later as well. 563 00:21:14,460 --> 00:21:17,470 But the the classroom teachers like me, we finished at a 564 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,950 certain time and then we had these other specialists set of 565 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,250 teachers that came in and did these other lessons that like a 566 00:21:22,260 --> 00:21:25,400 PE teacher or drama teacher or music teacher came in and did 567 00:21:25,410 --> 00:21:27,800 the 2nd chunk. So it was like, so it was just 568 00:21:27,810 --> 00:21:29,690 shift it wasn't. So what you were marking and 569 00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:30,630 stuff like it was after? School. 570 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,500 It was just after school for me on those times. 571 00:21:32,510 --> 00:21:34,460 It's like by PPA or whatever it was. 572 00:21:35,230 --> 00:21:36,900 So it can work. Of course you have shifts in, 573 00:21:36,910 --> 00:21:39,250 you can have companies coming in and running clubs and stuff. 574 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,490 I don't know. I think money in it really quite 575 00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:43,330 cool idea actually saying I think about it. 576 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,470 Yeah, same. I think you got a bit of a harsh 577 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:46,890 deal there, pal. It's basically just turning a 578 00:21:46,900 --> 00:21:48,350 school into a community centre, isn't it? 579 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,760 Essentially because there's no community centre anymore. 580 00:21:50,770 --> 00:21:53,350 Yeah. We can't in one breath complain 581 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:55,850 about how there's no, no, no opportunities and then when 582 00:21:55,860 --> 00:21:57,530 something else comes up, everyone doing it. 583 00:21:57,540 --> 00:22:00,380 Yeah, I don't know. I I thought was a nice idea. 584 00:22:01,050 --> 00:22:03,910 And I'm also really, I would love someone to convince me 585 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,340 otherwise. And I'm not even joking now. 586 00:22:05,410 --> 00:22:08,100 I I would love someone to convince me that for some reason 587 00:22:08,110 --> 00:22:10,060 smartphones would be OK. It's a trap guys, cause he's 588 00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:11,280 extremely stubborn. Arrogance. 589 00:22:11,290 --> 00:22:11,820 Yeah. Try. 590 00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:15,170 Don't try, don't try. Not worth it. 591 00:22:15,220 --> 00:22:17,900 Listen, I wanted them to do it so I could destroy their 592 00:22:17,910 --> 00:22:21,010 argument. No, I just think there's there's 593 00:22:21,020 --> 00:22:23,890 there's some point where I was speaking to someone about it and 594 00:22:23,900 --> 00:22:25,990 their reply was like, ohh. But some kids just, you know, 595 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,310 whether it's a rule or not, they just they just so stubborn. 596 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,010 They just won't do it anyway. And I was like, yeah, OK, I'll 597 00:22:31,020 --> 00:22:31,810 sing to myself. Cool. 598 00:22:31,820 --> 00:22:34,850 I was probably that kid didn't understand the rule, but tough 599 00:22:34,860 --> 00:22:36,470 because some people know better than you. 600 00:22:36,580 --> 00:22:38,510 It's not good to have TikTok at school. 601 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,030 Yeah. And that's the that's the end. 602 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,470 Of the conversation of. End of conversation. 603 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,640 Start of actual discussion of podcasts where the question is 604 00:22:45,650 --> 00:22:47,220 in the title. I'm actually gonna talk about it 605 00:22:47,230 --> 00:22:48,520 after this Jingle. Wow. 606 00:22:51,030 --> 00:22:53,050 Hayden does school prepare children. 607 00:22:53,060 --> 00:22:55,040 School. Just school. 608 00:22:56,770 --> 00:22:59,340 Doesn't this school, that's the only school? 609 00:22:59,350 --> 00:23:00,870 Yeah. Does school prepare children for 610 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:01,240 real? Life. 611 00:23:01,250 --> 00:23:03,270 Not really. OK, see you next time. 612 00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:06,840 Wow, that's it. Done. 613 00:23:07,250 --> 00:23:08,900 Does school prepare children? For real life? 614 00:23:08,910 --> 00:23:10,670 I don't think so. It's not really generally. 615 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,320 I'm being serious. I'm not even joking. 616 00:23:12,430 --> 00:23:14,160 Not really. What all school? 617 00:23:14,170 --> 00:23:17,320 Just primary school secondary. School Does the school system, 618 00:23:17,330 --> 00:23:19,790 Does the education system prepares children for real? 619 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,500 Life. I think most people would say 620 00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:22,700 no. And maybe that's why I'm saying 621 00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:23,880 no. Maybe I'm being sucked into it. 622 00:23:23,890 --> 00:23:25,420 You look like you've got a different opinion on your on 623 00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:27,700 your face. Really. 624 00:23:27,710 --> 00:23:29,420 I don't think so. I don't think so. 625 00:23:29,490 --> 00:23:33,800 OK, So what? What is preparing someone for 626 00:23:33,810 --> 00:23:35,090 real life? What does that involve? 627 00:23:35,740 --> 00:23:39,650 I guess just taking the average life of someone in the UK and 628 00:23:39,660 --> 00:23:42,710 thinking what stuff do they need to do in order to operate a 629 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,470 normal life? I don't think school really 630 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,120 touches on much of it. OK, so OK, think about this 631 00:23:47,130 --> 00:23:50,430 then. What currently children in 632 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,090 school? It's a very outdated system, 633 00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:54,730 isn't it? Let's be realistic, It's not 634 00:23:54,740 --> 00:23:55,940 really changed since the Victorian. 635 00:23:55,950 --> 00:23:57,800 Times, yeah. So what that means is outdated 636 00:23:57,810 --> 00:23:59,130 or not, I don't know, but certainly. 637 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,420 Probably probably means outdated because it's over 100 years old, 638 00:24:02,430 --> 00:24:08,600 but necessarily no. I agree, so I'm saying. 639 00:24:08,610 --> 00:24:10,700 Traditional. It's an old school way of doing 640 00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:12,060 stuff. Literally old school. 641 00:24:13,420 --> 00:24:16,510 What about it does prepare children for real life? 642 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,790 What about it doesn't? What What do we do Right. 643 00:24:18,860 --> 00:24:21,870 OK. We've got a national curriculum. 644 00:24:21,940 --> 00:24:24,510 Yes, and we never used. To no, we didn't. 645 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,360 And it would be interesting to see to argue whether it was 646 00:24:27,370 --> 00:24:31,270 better before then. I don't, but I do think, I mean 647 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,890 obviously there are areas of the curriculum that are useful, Like 648 00:24:33,900 --> 00:24:35,670 most of the curriculum, especially in primary school is 649 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,990 just skill based. And sometimes when the kids say 650 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,910 to me things like why are we learning this, which is a common 651 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,610 question, you. Get by the end So what what do 652 00:24:44,620 --> 00:24:46,650 we teach in primary school where someone says why would that in 653 00:24:46,660 --> 00:24:49,320 this you'd be absolutely confident saying because in real 654 00:24:49,330 --> 00:24:50,270 life. So what does that? 655 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,800 Read reading. Obviously reading is because it 656 00:24:52,810 --> 00:24:55,180 because everyone uses it. So that to me, I'm like, yeah, 657 00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:57,450 we do that, right? Because everyone needs to read 658 00:24:57,460 --> 00:24:59,150 like you. You just need to read, don't 659 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,500 you? It's very, very, very hard to 660 00:25:00,510 --> 00:25:02,480 navigate life and have what I'm what. 661 00:25:02,490 --> 00:25:04,700 I'm going to keep referring to an average life, by the way, 662 00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:06,780 talk about someone's life. I am just thinking of like the 663 00:25:06,830 --> 00:25:08,930 just the bog standard, average life in the UK. 664 00:25:08,940 --> 00:25:11,970 I'm not going to extremities. To have a bog standard average 665 00:25:11,980 --> 00:25:13,620 life you do need to be able to read, he needs to be able to do 666 00:25:13,630 --> 00:25:15,760 a basic set of maths at least right? 667 00:25:15,770 --> 00:25:18,220 And for a lot of jobs you need to have an extended knowledge of 668 00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:19,070 maths. Yeah. 669 00:25:19,310 --> 00:25:21,200 So the quick thing does that really well. 670 00:25:21,490 --> 00:25:24,580 And so I'm going to jump on that really quickly because this is 671 00:25:24,590 --> 00:25:26,140 obviously main ones. You can talk about other things 672 00:25:26,150 --> 00:25:28,080 in it. But going back to that, when 673 00:25:28,090 --> 00:25:30,570 you're saying we do that well and it's preparing them well for 674 00:25:30,580 --> 00:25:32,820 life, you kind of talked about two different things as well, 675 00:25:32,830 --> 00:25:36,920 which was like the life of the someone and the job market. 676 00:25:37,070 --> 00:25:40,140 So like is, is it relevant that we're getting kids ready for the 677 00:25:40,150 --> 00:25:42,440 job market or are we really getting kids ready to? 678 00:25:42,550 --> 00:25:45,480 So do you think that's important then because or or is it more 679 00:25:45,490 --> 00:25:47,720 important to simply get them ready to be able to function in 680 00:25:47,730 --> 00:25:49,000 society? No, you see them. 681 00:25:49,010 --> 00:25:51,830 At the same thing. Because if I'm gonna keep 682 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,380 talking this average person, the average person in the UK needs a 683 00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:56,350 job for like 40 years. Yeah, sure, right, Jet Jet. 684 00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:58,200 There's not many people really that can't work. 685 00:25:58,270 --> 00:25:59,640 So do you think the role of the school? 686 00:25:59,850 --> 00:26:01,100 Yeah, because that's part of life. 687 00:26:01,150 --> 00:26:05,360 So if we're just thinking about what is life, what is life like 688 00:26:05,370 --> 00:26:08,200 for for the vast majority of people, life involves having a 689 00:26:08,210 --> 00:26:10,100 job. So I think it would be dumb to 690 00:26:10,110 --> 00:26:13,360 think that to say that schools shouldn't be preparing is to get 691 00:26:13,370 --> 00:26:15,600 jobs because they are going to need it. 692 00:26:15,610 --> 00:26:16,940 Realistic. And you might have some rich 693 00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:18,140 kids that like, well, I don't need to. 694 00:26:18,150 --> 00:26:19,930 OK, well, not talk about you talk. 695 00:26:19,940 --> 00:26:22,260 I'm talking about the average person who's probably gonna need 696 00:26:22,270 --> 00:26:25,800 a job to get income to, to have a home and, you know, to have a 697 00:26:25,810 --> 00:26:28,960 normal life, right? So reading, writing I suppose. 698 00:26:28,970 --> 00:26:31,800 So those skills are good for that, for the job market, right? 699 00:26:32,010 --> 00:26:35,440 But then there's the other Everyone move on to this right 700 00:26:35,450 --> 00:26:37,480 now, but there's the whole other part of life. 701 00:26:37,540 --> 00:26:39,200 But do you, is there anything else which is good? 702 00:26:39,210 --> 00:26:41,710 Then before we go on to this, because I suppose the point 703 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,890 you're making out, you say no. OK, does the buck stop there? 704 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,860 We taught our primary all the other subjects. 705 00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:51,320 I think school is is good at exposing kids to a wide range of 706 00:26:51,330 --> 00:26:53,170 other stuff. So at least give them like some 707 00:26:53,180 --> 00:26:56,080 opportunities to develop. Like we're not just making we're 708 00:26:56,090 --> 00:26:59,520 not just making a tonne of accountants and editors, don't 709 00:26:59,530 --> 00:27:00,780 you know. I mean like only maths and 710 00:27:00,790 --> 00:27:03,110 English. So we are we are also making 711 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:04,580 historians. An artist. 712 00:27:04,590 --> 00:27:06,380 Artist, yeah. And people that want to go and 713 00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:09,780 travel the world and study geology or something like we are 714 00:27:09,790 --> 00:27:12,240 making those people as well and that only getting that 715 00:27:12,250 --> 00:27:14,190 enrichment through a free education that they. 716 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,580 Get What do you think about your interests? 717 00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:17,300 And I don't think about my interest now. 718 00:27:17,370 --> 00:27:20,070 A lot of them do stem from when I was a child and being 719 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,640 interested in something. Like, I think I was really 720 00:27:21,650 --> 00:27:24,140 interested in space. Like, I loved the idea of space. 721 00:27:24,190 --> 00:27:26,580 I was interested in history from Youngs, and I ended up doing a 722 00:27:26,590 --> 00:27:29,400 history degree, you know. So like, there's, I can see 723 00:27:29,410 --> 00:27:31,900 direct links from what I was doing in school to what I ended 724 00:27:31,910 --> 00:27:33,290 up being interested in adult life. 725 00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:36,660 And like, you know, is it preparing me for life to teach 726 00:27:36,670 --> 00:27:39,340 me interesting history subjects? You could probably say no, 727 00:27:39,570 --> 00:27:41,560 right? Someone preparing you for life. 728 00:27:41,570 --> 00:27:45,400 But it's worth doing because because it invoked this 729 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,280 interest. I guess the point I'm making 730 00:27:48,290 --> 00:27:51,080 here is you're talking about the job market, you know, getting 731 00:27:51,090 --> 00:27:53,180 ready to contribute to the economy and society and the 732 00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:55,460 average life. But isn't isn't there an 733 00:27:55,470 --> 00:27:58,560 argument to be had that there's also a really important way of 734 00:27:58,630 --> 00:28:03,260 preparing for life is simply just like enjoying, enriching 735 00:28:03,270 --> 00:28:05,290 enrichment and enjoying it? I think there's a slight 736 00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:08,410 miscommunication here. I'm gonna clarify, which is I 737 00:28:08,420 --> 00:28:11,210 actually don't think there's a problem with the curriculum we 738 00:28:11,220 --> 00:28:13,210 teach. I think all the stuff there is 739 00:28:13,220 --> 00:28:14,810 great. I just think there's stuff 740 00:28:14,820 --> 00:28:16,990 missing. I'm not trying to argue to say 741 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,050 that we're wasting our time teaching the stuff we teach. 742 00:28:20,060 --> 00:28:23,130 I just think we're missing out on a whole bunch of stuff so 743 00:28:23,140 --> 00:28:26,210 average person does in life. So therefore I'm saying because 744 00:28:26,220 --> 00:28:28,990 of that schools don't prepare kids for life because it teaches 745 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,810 half of it. So in that case, is there a way 746 00:28:30,820 --> 00:28:33,010 that we could prepare for life? Could you talk about other 747 00:28:33,020 --> 00:28:34,550 things maybe that you think are missing? 748 00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:37,050 Yeah, that we, you know, you definitely need in your life, 749 00:28:37,060 --> 00:28:39,600 which school necessary doesn't. But then also maybe talk about 750 00:28:39,610 --> 00:28:42,020 how could be introduced that about missing something else. 751 00:28:42,030 --> 00:28:45,000 And is there a way to actually prepare someone for life, or is 752 00:28:45,010 --> 00:28:47,360 it a futile thing that we're trying to aim for when actually 753 00:28:47,370 --> 00:28:48,700 it's going to be impossible? Well, I don't. 754 00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:50,600 Let's go back and forth and find out of our conversation. 755 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:51,840 I don't know. I'm gonna. 756 00:28:51,850 --> 00:28:54,300 I'm very much thinking as we go and hopefully you are as well. 757 00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:56,180 OK, so what's missing? What's missing? 758 00:28:56,260 --> 00:28:58,270 What what? What should we What should the 759 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,430 education system? When you finish, what should you 760 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,060 have learned or done then that is going to get people ready? 761 00:29:05,130 --> 00:29:08,880 Right. The average person has to pay 762 00:29:08,890 --> 00:29:12,730 tax. The average person has to pay 763 00:29:12,740 --> 00:29:18,080 bills in their home, and I don't think at any point in education 764 00:29:18,090 --> 00:29:22,210 do we even attempt to properly train people before they leave 765 00:29:22,220 --> 00:29:25,720 and go and be adults. How to navigate those things in 766 00:29:25,730 --> 00:29:27,990 the world. I think it's just kind of a 767 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,470 chance and hopefully someone in your family will show you or 768 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,690 hopefully you'll go on a YouTube video and you need to do it and 769 00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:36,450 work out. But I, you know, we spend so 770 00:29:36,460 --> 00:29:39,590 much of our life, early life in school, I just refuse to believe 771 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,640 that there's not a place to learn those things. 772 00:29:41,650 --> 00:29:44,370 That the average person in this country is absolutely needing to 773 00:29:44,380 --> 00:29:47,230 be able to just function normally as a human being. 774 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,830 The average person doesn't actually pay tax though in terms 775 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,530 of person, they it comes off there and they're amount before 776 00:29:52,540 --> 00:29:54,630 they get there. So are you talking about 777 00:29:55,380 --> 00:29:58,690 understanding it or doing it? Understanding it, obviously some 778 00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:00,500 people do pay their own tax, but we talk about the person. 779 00:30:00,510 --> 00:30:02,640 You're right, the average person probably doesn't have a job and 780 00:30:02,650 --> 00:30:05,250 the tax is all done for and they just get a pay slip and that 781 00:30:05,260 --> 00:30:07,790 says it. But when you have a whole bunch 782 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,080 of people that are misinformed on how these systems work and 783 00:30:10,090 --> 00:30:13,440 then we say here you go here's a vote as well on how we're going 784 00:30:13,450 --> 00:30:15,580 to run the country. It's just so easy to manipulate 785 00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:18,380 people and and and to to vote some sort of way based on 786 00:30:18,390 --> 00:30:19,760 misinformation or misunderstanding. 787 00:30:19,770 --> 00:30:21,620 Right. So I think we need to educate 788 00:30:21,630 --> 00:30:24,780 people properly on of this is actually how it works like the 789 00:30:24,790 --> 00:30:26,480 amount of people. I'm sure you've experienced this 790 00:30:26,490 --> 00:30:28,900 right when I was in my early 20s and I worked at Tesco and I 791 00:30:28,910 --> 00:30:34,790 remember so vividly my my boss at Tesco my boss like way higher 792 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,380 up in the ladder. The me at Tesco's telling me a 793 00:30:37,390 --> 00:30:40,870 story about how his mate and how he recommends this people was 794 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,470 not going to take this job pay rise because it was going to 795 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,280 push him into the 40% bracket and then he didn't and he worked 796 00:30:46,290 --> 00:30:48,130 out there. He paid 40% on all his income. 797 00:30:48,140 --> 00:30:51,090 He would earn less than when he was only paying 20%. 798 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,320 And he had this fundamental misunderstanding as someone you 799 00:30:54,330 --> 00:30:56,890 know trying to educate me and I didn't really know much about it 800 00:30:56,900 --> 00:30:59,910 at the time. Being a 20 year old on how tax 801 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:02,150 works and he was completely wrong and he nearly put, he 802 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,490 nearly like set me up with that mindset of like Oh yeah, it's 803 00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:08,850 not worth going for a certain amount of money because yeah 804 00:31:08,860 --> 00:31:12,170 because then you're just. For context here, like just let 805 00:31:12,180 --> 00:31:13,930 out to people. I suppose what you're saying 806 00:31:13,940 --> 00:31:16,370 here is, let's say at 50 and you start paying 40%. 807 00:31:16,380 --> 00:31:18,330 Yeah. So a lot of people think that 808 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,030 it's 20% below that. Yeah. 809 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,850 So 20% of 49 grand. Yeah. 810 00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:24,810 Is a is just under 10 grand. Yeah. 811 00:31:24,820 --> 00:31:28,190 Right. 40% of 50 grand is 20 grand. 812 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:28,770 Yeah. So. 813 00:31:28,780 --> 00:31:31,570 So he thinks he lose 10 grand by going up to 50 grand. 814 00:31:31,580 --> 00:31:34,550 But again, for anyone out there who might be listening to this 815 00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:36,700 and actually still doesn't understand the tax system, 816 00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:39,660 because a lot of people I know don't understand it, who are 817 00:31:39,670 --> 00:31:41,560 incredibly intelligent. And I just don't think about. 818 00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:43,710 It they don't get it, they don't quite understand it. 819 00:31:43,780 --> 00:31:46,230 That is not how it works. You get paid, you get you get 820 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,640 taxed 40% on anything you earn over 50K. 821 00:31:49,650 --> 00:31:57,030 So if you go from 49 K to 51 K, only 1000 lbs is taxed at 40. 822 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,800 Percent. So I didn't understand that and 823 00:31:58,810 --> 00:32:01,120 he didn't either. And they're the kind of things I 824 00:32:01,130 --> 00:32:04,470 look back and I'm like, that's mental, that's mental that we 825 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,750 all rely on this like system of our structure for our entire 826 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,670 country and everyone, everyone living in it, right. 827 00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:11,850 And people don't even know how it works and they come out of 828 00:32:11,860 --> 00:32:14,950 school And then I would use often use arguments, but they 829 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,840 know and I'll insert a tonne of things from the curriculum that 830 00:32:17,850 --> 00:32:20,870 are in my opinion, way less useful I suppose to understand. 831 00:32:20,940 --> 00:32:23,550 But do they? So most people who come who 832 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,590 don't understand like the tax system, what you said, right, 833 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,030 they don't. They don't actually. 834 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,190 Then also remember everything about Anberlin. 835 00:32:29,420 --> 00:32:32,630 It's not It's not like suddenly because they did history. 836 00:32:32,780 --> 00:32:35,440 Their brains just full of all of these dates about when you know 837 00:32:35,450 --> 00:32:38,060 the War of the Roses was and Amber Lynn died On this date. 838 00:32:38,110 --> 00:32:39,580 No, they've forgotten that as well. 839 00:32:39,630 --> 00:32:42,680 So it's not like we we can't magically we can't magically 840 00:32:42,690 --> 00:32:44,030 assume. No, not at all. 841 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,380 There'll be some people who may be get it. 842 00:32:45,390 --> 00:32:47,930 But I don't think we can magically assume like, oh, why 843 00:32:47,940 --> 00:32:50,100 didn't you teach me this? It's like well, could you work 844 00:32:50,110 --> 00:32:52,940 out the percentage of a number in the 1st place? 845 00:32:53,010 --> 00:32:54,800 No. Well then of course not going to 846 00:32:54,810 --> 00:32:56,770 teach you the intricacies of the tax thing, which is all about 847 00:32:56,780 --> 00:32:59,080 percentage of an awkward amount. And it's different scales. 848 00:32:59,090 --> 00:33:01,400 So that argument is. But is that an argument to never 849 00:33:01,410 --> 00:33:02,960 teach anyone? Then not at all, but it's an 850 00:33:02,970 --> 00:33:04,700 argument. Say that like there there are 851 00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:06,150 certain things you need to learn first. 852 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,640 Like you need you need your basic understanding of maths 853 00:33:08,650 --> 00:33:10,570 first. I again, I think it's probably 854 00:33:10,580 --> 00:33:12,030 some parts of the mass curriculum that are less 855 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,770 important. But yeah, at what point do you 856 00:33:13,780 --> 00:33:15,120 start? Like at what point do you only 857 00:33:15,130 --> 00:33:16,850 do stuff which applies to your real life? 858 00:33:16,860 --> 00:33:19,900 Like in terms of, you know, problem solving and working out 859 00:33:19,910 --> 00:33:21,550 the missing angle of a triangle, Right? 860 00:33:21,620 --> 00:33:24,350 If you can't understand how to work out the missing angle of a 861 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,220 triangle, can you really understand the intricacies of 862 00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:29,640 the tax system? Maybe, probably no, probably not 863 00:33:29,650 --> 00:33:31,860 though, because because the intricacies of intricacies maybe 864 00:33:31,870 --> 00:33:33,540 not. Is way more complicated. 865 00:33:33,550 --> 00:33:36,720 Understanding what I've just explained in the tax system to 866 00:33:36,730 --> 00:33:38,850 have a proper understanding of that is way harder to have 867 00:33:38,860 --> 00:33:41,520 proper understanding of 180 takeaway 2 angles you can see. 868 00:33:41,530 --> 00:33:43,300 But I reckon you can have a superficial understanding of 869 00:33:43,310 --> 00:33:44,920 that. I think it was that enough to at 870 00:33:44,930 --> 00:33:46,540 least get it right. I reckon you could understand. 871 00:33:46,550 --> 00:33:49,400 I reckon most people, even if they're terrible at maths, could 872 00:33:49,410 --> 00:33:51,800 understand that if you just said Oh no, no, no, no, no. 873 00:33:52,030 --> 00:33:54,980 You only get taxed the bigger chunk on Money you earn over 874 00:33:54,990 --> 00:33:57,830 that amount can have a fairly. Easy concept and I think that's 875 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,110 something where actually it wouldn't even come into maths 876 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,950 for me, that would come into general studies, you know, I 877 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,050 think there's a there's a scope for generic life skills to 878 00:34:08,060 --> 00:34:09,270 absolutely. Have school. 879 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,690 You won't be. You won't be worse off. 880 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:11,989 Yeah, that's what you need to understand. 881 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,370 You're not gonna be worse off going from 49 to 51 grand. 882 00:34:14,380 --> 00:34:16,350 And I think that's really important and I'm not against 883 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,370 that. I think my point here is like, I 884 00:34:18,380 --> 00:34:20,909 think some people will be sat in math thinking why am I learning 885 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,650 this is separate though I want to make that point. 886 00:34:23,659 --> 00:34:25,989 To me it is a very separate thing, like of course it's 887 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,280 maths, you need to understand it. 888 00:34:27,380 --> 00:34:30,830 And I guess my point is to understand that you need to have 889 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,070 a higher level of maths, maybe that you need to get to 1st. 890 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,750 But it is also separate, like how to how taxes work, how bills 891 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,710 work, like how to find a good deal. 892 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,750 I didn't know how a mortgage works until I got a mortgage. 893 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,389 Yeah, yeah, you know, but is it relevant? 894 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,570 But is it relevant for a 15 year old to know that? 895 00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:47,010 Can you not just learn it when you do it? 896 00:34:47,020 --> 00:34:49,130 Like at what point is it like, I don't know, we'll just do it 897 00:34:49,139 --> 00:34:50,820 when you're. I didn't get a mortgage until I 898 00:34:50,830 --> 00:34:54,190 was 25, like would it really have helped me to have done that 899 00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:55,929 on 15? But I could probably think of 900 00:34:55,940 --> 00:34:57,210 other things that are more useful. 901 00:34:57,930 --> 00:35:00,340 I don't know. I think I just, I think, yeah, I 902 00:35:00,350 --> 00:35:02,000 just think it could genuinely, I think it. 903 00:35:02,010 --> 00:35:05,410 I think it's worth teaching. I think it's worth some some of 904 00:35:05,420 --> 00:35:07,430 the time in the curriculum because it's not that it's not 905 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,580 that big of. A thing we do, we do talk about 906 00:35:09,590 --> 00:35:12,380 how the curriculum is bloated already, what we're getting rid. 907 00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:13,970 Of I was just arguing myself in my head. 908 00:35:13,980 --> 00:35:16,550 Then you were talking, I was listening to you and thinking we 909 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,800 did. We did a whole episode recently 910 00:35:18,810 --> 00:35:21,300 on like, the blurred lines between what parents should do 911 00:35:21,310 --> 00:35:22,660 and what and what teachers should do, right? 912 00:35:22,670 --> 00:35:24,820 And in primary school, that kind of argument is we're talking 913 00:35:24,830 --> 00:35:26,590 about little kids. And it's like, should teachers 914 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,360 be showing them to brush their teeth stuff, you know? 915 00:35:29,370 --> 00:35:32,240 I mean, and now I'm having this argument ahead of, like, OK, 916 00:35:32,250 --> 00:35:34,140 well, when that gets older, What's the analogy now? 917 00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:35,250 Is it? Yeah, of course. 918 00:35:35,260 --> 00:35:36,780 We don't teach kids how to do tax. 919 00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:38,360 Parents do that. We're going to teach them the 920 00:35:38,370 --> 00:35:39,370 correct. We're gonna teach them the 921 00:35:39,380 --> 00:35:42,000 curriculum. Parents, I'm sure to spend 5 922 00:35:42,010 --> 00:35:43,900 minutes teaching them how tax works, right? 923 00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:45,720 But the problem is, again, they weren't taught at school, so 924 00:35:45,730 --> 00:35:46,260 they don't. Know. 925 00:35:46,270 --> 00:35:47,900 Yeah. I'm arguing myself here. 926 00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:50,230 I don't. Know, but we have a bloated 927 00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:52,280 curriculum and you started off by saying you don't think the 928 00:35:52,290 --> 00:35:54,290 curriculum is bad. So my point to you would be, 929 00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:57,290 because what frustrates me when people say this all the time, I 930 00:35:57,300 --> 00:35:59,670 was like, oh bloody, which is what they do in a teacher. 931 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,970 Should we teach the real skills? Like you know how to do this to 932 00:36:02,980 --> 00:36:05,870 their tax works and I have to pay the water bill and I'm just 933 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,550 like, OK, when and how and what do we drop instead? 934 00:36:08,620 --> 00:36:11,440 Yeah, I don't know but my but it's funny because after all 935 00:36:11,450 --> 00:36:13,170 this even going back and forth in my head my answer still 936 00:36:13,180 --> 00:36:16,010 hasn't changed though to that question of does school prepare 937 00:36:16,020 --> 00:36:18,210 children for real life will still know because they because 938 00:36:18,220 --> 00:36:20,710 that what I've said is not true. Should not untrue. 939 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:22,210 Sorry, what I've said. Is not true. 940 00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:24,050 Should school prepare charged for real life? 941 00:36:24,990 --> 00:36:26,800 That's the question, isn't it? Yeah, that's the question. 942 00:36:26,810 --> 00:36:29,620 It's like the first one. I don't think they do. 943 00:36:30,130 --> 00:36:31,530 And I guess the answer could be you. 944 00:36:31,540 --> 00:36:33,740 Because that stuff gets taught by family and culture and 945 00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:35,300 society impact things. Yeah. 946 00:36:35,310 --> 00:36:37,510 Should they do it? Because essentially what we're 947 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,860 saying here, yeah, what we say when we say should school pay 948 00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:43,560 for real life, let's break it down and get meta here. 949 00:36:43,570 --> 00:36:45,290 We're saying should the government prepare your child. 950 00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:47,100 Yeah. Because all government funded 951 00:36:47,110 --> 00:36:50,350 and the government are in charge of the curriculum is the, you 952 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,920 know, how is it down to the government to make sure that you 953 00:36:53,930 --> 00:36:57,680 understand tax or like as the people who tax people, I'd say a 954 00:36:57,690 --> 00:36:59,380 very strong argument, yes, they should. 955 00:36:59,390 --> 00:37:00,680 Yeah. If they're going to tax you and 956 00:37:00,690 --> 00:37:02,900 have this system in place, they should go out of their way to 957 00:37:02,910 --> 00:37:05,420 make sure you understand it and not just trust people to tell 958 00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:06,860 you like. Otherwise a lot of arguments 959 00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:09,070 I've seen online when of this cause this kind of thing gets 960 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,770 talked about a lot, doesn't it? People always come out of school 961 00:37:10,780 --> 00:37:12,640 be like yeah, school system top mean nothing. 962 00:37:12,650 --> 00:37:15,130 Yeah. And and a big one I always see 963 00:37:15,140 --> 00:37:18,200 is just general financial literacy and how they're like, 964 00:37:18,210 --> 00:37:21,070 There's just not, there's none of it really, in that you learn 965 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,910 statistics, but you don't learn like general financial literacy. 966 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,540 That could that could help you in lots of different ways. 967 00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:28,730 And again, like history, you might not ever use it. 968 00:37:28,740 --> 00:37:31,560 You might not even need to know how investing works and how 969 00:37:31,570 --> 00:37:33,460 compound interest works on money and how. 970 00:37:33,470 --> 00:37:35,120 Many compound interest is in the curriculum. 971 00:37:35,130 --> 00:37:36,830 I learned that maths in secondary. 972 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:37,360 School. OK. 973 00:37:37,370 --> 00:37:39,280 Fair enough. Yeah, yeah, OK. 974 00:37:41,730 --> 00:37:43,690 What I'm interested what is that just in like? 975 00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:45,330 Statistics. Yeah, it's just in maths. 976 00:37:45,340 --> 00:37:47,410 It was just like the the question would be something like 977 00:37:47,460 --> 00:37:50,070 if I had five grand in the same account and it was 4% annual 978 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,690 interest, how much would I have after three years? 979 00:37:51,820 --> 00:37:53,550 That was that was a question. That's interesting. 980 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,080 But I didn't ever make the link between me having a savings 981 00:37:56,090 --> 00:37:57,180 account and. Yeah. 982 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,760 It was, it was work out the maths and this is the point I'm 983 00:38:01,770 --> 00:38:03,470 making. Again, like OK in maths. 984 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,930 At what point do we say this is stops being maths and it starts 985 00:38:05,940 --> 00:38:08,870 being a completely separate subject, which is how to apply 986 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,280 this maths? Or because you're in a reading. 987 00:38:11,390 --> 00:38:12,320 That's right. Yeah. 988 00:38:12,330 --> 00:38:15,450 We wouldn't do a lesson on interpreting the news and 989 00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:18,780 understanding the bias of the news when we're like, teaching 990 00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:21,840 someone to read, right? So I'm teaching someone to do 991 00:38:21,850 --> 00:38:23,920 maths. Is it also inappropriate to be 992 00:38:23,930 --> 00:38:26,910 like, and here's the maths in the context of a mortgage scheme 993 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,280 that you might buy into and reasons why it's good or bad? 994 00:38:29,350 --> 00:38:31,320 I'm not saying we shouldn't teach those other things. 995 00:38:31,330 --> 00:38:33,580 I'm not saying we shouldn't teach the bias of the news or 996 00:38:33,590 --> 00:38:35,720 how to shop around for a good mortgage. 997 00:38:36,050 --> 00:38:38,180 But is it just a separate thing? That's my point. 998 00:38:38,190 --> 00:38:39,620 Like, is it just a different thing? 999 00:38:39,630 --> 00:38:42,180 Like it doesn't mean one's bad because we don't do both. 1000 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,120 Yeah, no, I think my answer to that is just like, yeah, just 1001 00:38:44,130 --> 00:38:45,480 later on the school's school's long. 1002 00:38:45,490 --> 00:38:47,960 Like you learn those things way, way earlier on I learned the 1003 00:38:48,140 --> 00:38:51,230 learn the basic maths on how to work out a mortgage in like 6. 1004 00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:54,100 Genuinely So I think yeah by the year 10s should year 10s have an 1005 00:38:54,110 --> 00:38:56,400 opportunity to learn a bit of financial literacy and put that 1006 00:38:56,410 --> 00:38:58,860 into practise and very much labelled as you guys gonna be 1007 00:38:58,870 --> 00:39:00,340 adults soon. This is really useful 1008 00:39:00,350 --> 00:39:01,950 information for when you're adults not just a problem 1009 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,060 anymore, solving a little math problem like you don't think 1010 00:39:04,070 --> 00:39:06,300 about or care about. This is real and this is how 1011 00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:09,000 some finances work. If you go on this life route you 1012 00:39:09,010 --> 00:39:11,780 might get faced with this situation and this is how 1013 00:39:11,790 --> 00:39:14,200 compound interest works in this situation. 1014 00:39:14,290 --> 00:39:15,800 If you get a mortgage this might happen. 1015 00:39:15,810 --> 00:39:17,700 If you decide not to. What are the pros and cons of 1016 00:39:17,710 --> 00:39:19,710 renting and mortgaging? Yeah and buying a house. 1017 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:22,910 The amount of people online I see that just so illiterate when 1018 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,330 it comes to understanding the difference between renting and 1019 00:39:25,340 --> 00:39:27,750 buying a house as well. And you know you get arguments 1020 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,650 both ways of being like you should only ever buy a house or 1021 00:39:29,660 --> 00:39:31,420 yeah, I've never buy house, always be a renter. 1022 00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:32,560 Here's why. And I'm always just like what 1023 00:39:32,570 --> 00:39:34,040 you talking about like to the arguments. 1024 00:39:34,050 --> 00:39:36,170 They always miss stuff. They don't understand the 1025 00:39:36,180 --> 00:39:38,170 fundamentals and like these are adults like trying to educate 1026 00:39:38,180 --> 00:39:39,610 other people. They just. 1027 00:39:39,620 --> 00:39:41,330 I just. The role of the school to step 1028 00:39:41,340 --> 00:39:44,370 in. Yeah, I think so. 1029 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,330 And I was very like this in the other episode we did. 1030 00:39:46,340 --> 00:39:48,370 Wasn't it where I was like, yeah, I I just think the schools 1031 00:39:48,380 --> 00:39:50,150 are maybe a wider thing than it is. 1032 00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:52,410 Because I also said in that episode that I think primary 1033 00:39:52,420 --> 00:39:55,810 schools should have the capability to step in and do a 1034 00:39:55,820 --> 00:39:58,130 lot of things that we deem as this is what parents do outside 1035 00:39:58,140 --> 00:40:00,350 of school. I think secondary schools have a 1036 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,800 way bigger like role in that, especially that end a bit of 1037 00:40:04,810 --> 00:40:06,990 being like you are actually going to be adults soon and this 1038 00:40:07,060 --> 00:40:11,630 we don't, we don't like. Your trickle out, your education 1039 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,210 is very much like you do. You just go look. 1040 00:40:13,220 --> 00:40:15,750 Stopped by you just you just walk out of this building one 1041 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,730 day after coming here every day and then you never come. 1042 00:40:17,740 --> 00:40:20,360 Back and and do a job where 90% of what you've learned is 1043 00:40:20,370 --> 00:40:23,310 genuinely pointless. Yeah, like like truly in the 1044 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:24,590 average person. Right. 1045 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:27,390 Really. Like can you tell me the seven 1046 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:32,170 parts of a cell biology lesson? And I guess that's the wider 1047 00:40:32,180 --> 00:40:33,530 point now. Like they're not gonna remember 1048 00:40:33,540 --> 00:40:35,390 that. OK, well might remember the 1049 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,310 mortgage thing but get get tell you what. 1050 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,170 It's more likely someone's going to get a mortgage than ever have 1051 00:40:39,180 --> 00:40:41,240 to tell me about the. Yeah, so some people remember 1052 00:40:41,250 --> 00:40:43,420 that in the same way that some people would just remember 1053 00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:45,150 things about osmosis, I remember. 1054 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,140 That word, Yeah. Yeah, you know I just, I don't 1055 00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:48,160 know. I just wish I'd learned more 1056 00:40:48,170 --> 00:40:51,660 stuff as as a as someone growing up that I felt like I was fairly 1057 00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:53,320 intelligent. Like I liked education. 1058 00:40:53,330 --> 00:40:56,350 I loved learning to get to a point where I where I didn't 1059 00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,010 understand like a basically a year six level understanding of 1060 00:41:00,020 --> 00:41:04,190 like a system which was tax really with the mass behind it. 1061 00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:07,200 At 20 years old, I was like, well, how the hell have I got to 1062 00:41:07,210 --> 00:41:09,250 this stage and not not know this, But I know all these 1063 00:41:09,260 --> 00:41:12,770 things about like how to, how to work quadratic equations and 1064 00:41:12,780 --> 00:41:13,880 that's the way people make they go. 1065 00:41:13,890 --> 00:41:15,230 Why don't you learn all this and when, kids? 1066 00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:17,160 Think you've got a point. I think they've got no, I'm 1067 00:41:17,170 --> 00:41:19,400 saying I think no. I think they've got a point when 1068 00:41:19,410 --> 00:41:19,980 they say. That. 1069 00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:23,280 There are certain things where even as a teacher I'm like, 1070 00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:26,420 yeah, you're right, I don't need to learn the four over AC thing. 1071 00:41:26,430 --> 00:41:28,240 Four AC. Do you remember the square root 1072 00:41:28,250 --> 00:41:31,080 of BC minus? I can't remember four A -, C / B 1073 00:41:31,090 --> 00:41:33,450 ^2 or something like. What's that for? 1074 00:41:33,460 --> 00:41:35,740 It's defined the intersection of a line on the X axis. 1075 00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:37,100 Yeah, yeah. What? 1076 00:41:37,110 --> 00:41:39,760 Like like can you teach me something useful? 1077 00:41:39,770 --> 00:41:41,480 So I agree with you completely, I think. 1078 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,730 I think I guess my point here is again going on to the next 1079 00:41:45,740 --> 00:41:47,110 thing. I suppose I want to know your 1080 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,630 opinion. Like is it realistic to suppose 1081 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:51,590 we could change it? Then? 1082 00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:55,130 Like is that a like scores been the same for so long? 1083 00:41:55,140 --> 00:41:56,770 Like what? How? 1084 00:41:56,780 --> 00:41:58,010 How would you even go about doing it? 1085 00:41:58,020 --> 00:42:00,170 Or do you just think it's this thing where we just have to 1086 00:42:00,180 --> 00:42:03,190 become a society more aware that school has these gaps and we 1087 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,790 have to fill them in certain ways? 1088 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,060 Or is it something where we should actually be like no, no, 1089 00:42:07,070 --> 00:42:10,470 actually school needs to change. I don't know if I'm being naive 1090 00:42:10,540 --> 00:42:15,010 when I say I feel like it wouldn't be that hard for for 1091 00:42:15,060 --> 00:42:18,730 someone in the government or whoever does it to create a unit 1092 00:42:19,110 --> 00:42:22,140 of the maths curriculum that's called financial literacy and 1093 00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:25,220 does this thing like and and I often ask myself why? 1094 00:42:25,230 --> 00:42:27,150 Why has it never been done people been complaining about 1095 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:27,720 this for? Years. 1096 00:42:27,730 --> 00:42:29,380 Yeah, a lot of conspiracy stuff about it. 1097 00:42:29,390 --> 00:42:30,650 Like, yeah, lots of people saying. 1098 00:42:30,660 --> 00:42:32,440 Low down. Keep the poor, poor keep the 1099 00:42:32,450 --> 00:42:33,590 rich. Rich, I don't know if I buy 1100 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:34,550 that. No, I don't. 1101 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,500 I don't know. I think maybe maybe there's a 1102 00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:39,380 small subconscious bias like that, because I do think there 1103 00:42:39,390 --> 00:42:41,260 is a divide there. I can't say there's not a 1104 00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:42,580 device. If you become a politician, it's 1105 00:42:42,590 --> 00:42:44,140 probably because your parents knew how to. 1106 00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:45,990 Get Yeah, like there is clearly a difference. 1107 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,820 Between and, let's keep it with what we know, like who we know, 1108 00:42:48,830 --> 00:42:49,980 rather than what we. Know. 1109 00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:52,600 So I do think that's there whether they all sit around a 1110 00:42:52,610 --> 00:42:54,000 table and. Go away, yeah. 1111 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,580 Make sure we never teach the children how a mortgage. 1112 00:42:56,590 --> 00:42:58,670 Works. I don't think that ever happens, 1113 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,980 but I think subconsciously the people that got there, got there 1114 00:43:00,990 --> 00:43:03,390 for a reason, and probably equally all just have to share 1115 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,250 the same value of, yeah, we need peasants though, keep the 1116 00:43:06,260 --> 00:43:08,210 peasants peasants. We're rich, you know, That's 1117 00:43:08,220 --> 00:43:10,100 what they think about them. That's what they think about us, 1118 00:43:10,110 --> 00:43:10,470 isn't? It. 1119 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:11,150 I don't know. Yeah. 1120 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,700 I mean, I guess I'm just trying to be more positive than that, 1121 00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:16,270 but I'm sure some people have done myself. 1122 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,710 Maybe not going off, going off on one. 1123 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,520 Do I think we could change it? I think we could change it. 1124 00:43:21,530 --> 00:43:22,840 I just. I'm just not sure we will. 1125 00:43:22,910 --> 00:43:24,760 Umm, but school's very traditional, isn't it? 1126 00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:27,600 It's it's like you said. It's not changed in a. 1127 00:43:27,610 --> 00:43:30,770 Long outdated might. Might be a bit outdated, could 1128 00:43:30,780 --> 00:43:34,050 argue it's not, yeah, it just is. 1129 00:43:34,180 --> 00:43:37,100 So OK thinking about school then I I going back to what you're 1130 00:43:37,110 --> 00:43:38,950 saying about let's think about preparing children for going 1131 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,170 into the white place which the average person is right. 1132 00:43:41,180 --> 00:43:43,360 So you going into the workplace you know when you go through 1133 00:43:43,370 --> 00:43:46,030 primary school we spend a lot of the end of primary school 1134 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,270 thinking well they're about to transition into secondary school 1135 00:43:48,310 --> 00:43:50,930 and then we we put a lot of time and effort into saying how 1136 00:43:50,940 --> 00:43:52,870 important that is and how much we need to prepare the children 1137 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,770 for it. So I you know I remember 1138 00:43:54,780 --> 00:43:56,880 finishing secondary school and I did have careers advice and 1139 00:43:56,890 --> 00:43:58,270 stuff like that. I do think there is stuff in 1140 00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:59,450 place. So I don't, I don't anyone in 1141 00:43:59,460 --> 00:44:02,150 secondary school to think I'm suggesting we just got off a 1142 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,140 Cliff edge and he had no idea. I don't think that's what 1143 00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:06,710 happened at all. However, you know, there are 1144 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:09,740 certain things I look at and this really stuck with me 1145 00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:12,630 because it was an argument for home schooling and with home 1146 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,080 home schooling. Where schooling? 1147 00:44:14,090 --> 00:44:15,100 Yeah. Why? 1148 00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:17,260 Are you hearing that as well? Sorry. 1149 00:44:17,370 --> 00:44:19,700 Schooling. Right. 1150 00:44:19,790 --> 00:44:21,680 Home schooling. Homeschooling. 1151 00:44:21,690 --> 00:44:24,820 Homeschool School Now say Homeschool homeschooling. 1152 00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:28,630 Jesus knew I can't deal with this. 1153 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,900 Why? My brain too let's move home 1154 00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:36,400 schooling and they and they made the point because someone said 1155 00:44:36,450 --> 00:44:38,940 well you're not with your peers you miss out that kind of you 1156 00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:41,030 know you're not you're not face to others in year four for 1157 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,710 example and instead you're with like a mixture of ages you're 1158 00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:47,940 with a 14 year old older brother and next door neighbour also 1159 00:44:47,950 --> 00:44:50,700 home school and they're they're 8:00 and 9:00 and you happen to 1160 00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:53,940 be 6 whatever. And you because of the way home 1161 00:44:54,010 --> 00:44:58,110 home educating at home works you know you kind of doing the same 1162 00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,400 thing because you can't be everywhere. 1163 00:44:59,410 --> 00:45:01,410 You might go to the zoo and learn about zebras. 1164 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,700 Everyone's lying about zebras because you just there and they 1165 00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:06,780 made a really good point. That's really stuck with me. 1166 00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:09,080 And the point was, yeah, OK, fair enough. 1167 00:45:09,130 --> 00:45:12,560 When would you ever be with 32 people your own age ever again 1168 00:45:12,650 --> 00:45:14,510 in a, in a, in a city? And I was like. 1169 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,450 Yeah, it's true. Oh my God, yeah, when I went to 1170 00:45:16,460 --> 00:45:17,900 work at Asda after I left school. 1171 00:45:17,970 --> 00:45:21,720 Umm. The after 200 people who worked 1172 00:45:21,730 --> 00:45:25,300 in that shop, three of them were my age and I was directly 1173 00:45:25,310 --> 00:45:27,780 working with people who I was directly working with my 1174 00:45:27,790 --> 00:45:29,340 manager, who was like in his 40s. 1175 00:45:29,570 --> 00:45:32,070 I was directly working with my colleague who was like, it's a 1176 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,590 retirement job, is there 12 hours a week. 1177 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,050 He just puts the booze out. Called Ken. 1178 00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:37,890 Lovely boat called Ken. But he was just 12 hours a week 1179 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,850 absolute legend and just was you know, he just sprinkled life 1180 00:45:40,860 --> 00:45:42,550 advice every now and then. He bought players going, ohh, 1181 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,430 you know, never do that. And he walked past and and never 1182 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,540 like, I had never had any kind of social interaction or 1183 00:45:49,550 --> 00:45:51,580 training, which we all pretend. It's really important. 1184 00:45:51,690 --> 00:45:53,170 But I know your kids need to go to school. 1185 00:45:53,180 --> 00:45:55,180 They need to socially interact and learn how to be around other 1186 00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:57,530 people and yeah, and make these bonds and stuff and like, yeah, 1187 00:45:57,540 --> 00:46:00,690 yeah, cool. Because then I'm gonna go and do 1188 00:46:00,700 --> 00:46:02,520 a complete different. Generation work with people at 1189 00:46:02,530 --> 00:46:05,000 the same age as the teachers. Yeah, I completely disconnected. 1190 00:46:05,010 --> 00:46:06,400 Exactly. And it's a good point, I ask 1191 00:46:06,410 --> 00:46:07,520 you. Different backgrounds and stuff. 1192 00:46:07,530 --> 00:46:10,690 Yeah, that's real life, what you just said there for the majority 1193 00:46:10,700 --> 00:46:12,760 of people. So does school prepare for that? 1194 00:46:13,010 --> 00:46:15,420 No, not really at all. Completely agree. 1195 00:46:15,550 --> 00:46:17,850 I think the answer to this question, by the way, I think 1196 00:46:17,860 --> 00:46:20,900 the answer is question is no. Yeah, I just don't think that 1197 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,120 that that there's a obvious solution that some people 1198 00:46:24,130 --> 00:46:25,750 pretend there is. I think that's what I don't get 1199 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,420 annoyed, but I get frustrated when people are like, Nah, we 1200 00:46:28,430 --> 00:46:31,060 should do all of this and I'm just like, OK, but there is a 1201 00:46:31,070 --> 00:46:34,000 reason why we don't. Yeah, yeah, I do get the whole, 1202 00:46:34,110 --> 00:46:36,280 because I think the point you made a couple of times in this 1203 00:46:36,290 --> 00:46:39,250 is that, you know, some of these things are difficult to 1204 00:46:39,260 --> 00:46:41,840 understand in real life and if we've got kids who are 1205 00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:45,120 illiterate in English and maths to a certain level, then it is 1206 00:46:45,130 --> 00:46:47,650 what it is, genuinely a waste of time trying to get to understand 1207 00:46:47,660 --> 00:46:49,430 this concept. That's even harder than the 1208 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:50,090 algebra. They can't. 1209 00:46:50,100 --> 00:46:52,200 Do and it doesn't mean there's not other stuff in school, which 1210 00:46:52,210 --> 00:46:54,030 I think is also a waste of time. I mean, the other thing to 1211 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,120 remember, I'm not saying that we've got a perfect balance 1212 00:46:56,130 --> 00:46:57,860 here. I'm just saying that it's not 1213 00:46:57,870 --> 00:47:01,000 necessarily going to solve all our problems If we try and teach 1214 00:47:01,010 --> 00:47:03,190 a 12 year old about compound interest and shopping for 1215 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,600 mortgages, which they will never do for another 15 years minimum 1216 00:47:05,610 --> 00:47:07,630 in their life. Like I just I think there's got 1217 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,360 to be there's got to be something in place and again 1218 00:47:10,370 --> 00:47:12,280 whether it's the government or not, I don't know I think 1219 00:47:12,290 --> 00:47:15,370 sometimes you and I have our with our politics we rely too 1220 00:47:15,380 --> 00:47:17,820 much on the government doing stuff honestly that's how that's 1221 00:47:17,830 --> 00:47:19,680 how I feel. But quite I think we're quite 1222 00:47:19,690 --> 00:47:22,380 you know left-leaning in terms of the government step in and 1223 00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:25,020 and provide help when needed. Like I do think there is an 1224 00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:28,000 argument to say though like yeah OK but if you're going to shop 1225 00:47:28,010 --> 00:47:30,880 for a mortgage it's just down to your individual like research 1226 00:47:30,890 --> 00:47:33,260 like you just you do need to just go and find out about it. 1227 00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:36,160 Like, to me, that's different to tax, like you said, yeah, I'm 1228 00:47:36,170 --> 00:47:38,540 going to go and work for the system and be exploited. 1229 00:47:39,140 --> 00:47:41,290 You should be taught that. But when it comes to like, 1230 00:47:41,340 --> 00:47:43,230 shopping for interest rate, do you know what? 1231 00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:45,370 I didn't know, but I learned it in a week. 1232 00:47:45,420 --> 00:47:46,980 Yeah, like I just had to do some research. 1233 00:47:46,990 --> 00:47:48,370 I'm like ohh that. It's easier to do that now. 1234 00:47:48,380 --> 00:47:50,370 More than and it's easy then to be like, well, why wouldn't I 1235 00:47:50,380 --> 00:47:51,810 taught that at school? Well, that's why. 1236 00:47:51,820 --> 00:47:53,310 Because you just taught yourself really easily. 1237 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,590 Because you had a whole education where you were become 1238 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,760 a become literate. And others got the skills that 1239 00:47:57,770 --> 00:47:59,380 you could. Under skills, Exactly. 1240 00:47:59,390 --> 00:48:01,950 You've been in the workplace for a while and you understand how 1241 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,690 to find information that's way more important, how to find 1242 00:48:04,700 --> 00:48:06,530 information that's going to set people up. 1243 00:48:06,540 --> 00:48:08,780 Because my point, my wider point here, and I'm not gonna go into 1244 00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:12,140 something, The point I'm making here, is school will never ever 1245 00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:14,520 prepare everyone for real life. We could make all of these 1246 00:48:14,530 --> 00:48:16,200 changes that we're talking about. 1247 00:48:16,210 --> 00:48:17,700 Hmm. And there'd be a group of kids 1248 00:48:17,710 --> 00:48:20,020 who are worse off now for real life because they got way more 1249 00:48:20,030 --> 00:48:22,250 out of the biology stuff. They became scientists and 1250 00:48:22,260 --> 00:48:24,280 things like that. School is never going to hit 1251 00:48:24,290 --> 00:48:26,960 every single child and get them ready for ready for real life. 1252 00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:29,320 So what we need to do is maximise that. 1253 00:48:29,390 --> 00:48:31,980 And I think the way we maximise that in school is by teaching 1254 00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:35,040 skills really well. If you teach skills really well, 1255 00:48:35,130 --> 00:48:38,520 with the odd splattering of what they enjoy and facts and ideas 1256 00:48:38,530 --> 00:48:42,180 and stuff means when they're 28 and they come to get a mortgage, 1257 00:48:42,220 --> 00:48:44,830 you've taught them how to interpret sources, how to trust 1258 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,910 what websites are going to give them good advice, how to how to 1259 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,930 understand and comprehend data. And and you know, you, you did 1260 00:48:50,940 --> 00:48:53,270 statistics, so you understand this graph now and you know what 1261 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,110 exponential means and you know what that kind of growth is 1262 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:56,950 gonna look like because you understand what compound 1263 00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,880 interest is. You understand how much you're 1264 00:48:58,890 --> 00:49:01,970 gonna get charged over a certain amount of time because I've had 1265 00:49:01,980 --> 00:49:05,070 all that foundation. It means I'm then able to work 1266 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,060 things out for myself and learn things myself. 1267 00:49:07,070 --> 00:49:09,950 I think that's way more powerful than us just saying you need to 1268 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,010 learn about mortgages in schools like, cool. 1269 00:49:12,020 --> 00:49:14,250 Well, I've dropped something else that I might need then in 1270 00:49:14,260 --> 00:49:16,440 the future. So I think it's more important 1271 00:49:16,450 --> 00:49:19,080 to teach people this Last I'm gonna say before you come back 1272 00:49:19,090 --> 00:49:20,620 at me because I want to hear what you think. 1273 00:49:20,670 --> 00:49:23,200 It's more important to teach people and get them to a point 1274 00:49:23,210 --> 00:49:26,370 where they can learn anything they need to because everyone's 1275 00:49:26,380 --> 00:49:27,540 going to have an individual life. 1276 00:49:27,550 --> 00:49:30,860 So it that's way more powerful to me then then preempting what 1277 00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:33,050 they need to know. Yeah, and I think that's great. 1278 00:49:33,260 --> 00:49:35,950 And I think for people like me and you who did enjoy our time 1279 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,980 at an education and do well out of education, that's great 1280 00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:41,050 because it has set us up. But a lot of people, a lot of 1281 00:49:41,060 --> 00:49:43,030 like you said, and it's never gonna prepare everybody. 1282 00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:45,830 A tonne of people are coming out of school, not even at that 1283 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,450 level. Still so. 1284 00:49:47,460 --> 00:49:48,940 What makes you think teaching about taxes would? 1285 00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:50,090 Help. I just think like you. 1286 00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:53,260 I just think it will reduce the amount of people who are like me 1287 00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:57,860 at 20 years old who will just be fed misinformation with and 1288 00:49:57,870 --> 00:50:01,090 they've got no pre information to to even argue against it 1289 00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:03,170 with, right? Yeah, I know I did learn about 1290 00:50:03,180 --> 00:50:04,380 this at school. I'm sure that's not how it 1291 00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:05,800 works. I can't remember how it works 1292 00:50:05,810 --> 00:50:07,800 because I can't remember a lot of things, but I'm sure it 1293 00:50:07,810 --> 00:50:10,430 wasn't that. I just think having having had. 1294 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,480 But they won't remember the tax. Either, and maybe not, but 1295 00:50:12,490 --> 00:50:15,160 having had exposure to it as well, it might at least give 1296 00:50:15,170 --> 00:50:17,760 them. It just gives people a chance at 1297 00:50:17,770 --> 00:50:21,170 fighting misinformation because it's so rife misunderstanding 1298 00:50:21,250 --> 00:50:23,550 with with those life things. Even. 1299 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,600 Just like how bills were. The amount of people that don't 1300 00:50:25,610 --> 00:50:28,810 even know, like unless their parents tell them, even know 1301 00:50:28,820 --> 00:50:30,480 that you have to pay for the water that comes out of your 1302 00:50:30,490 --> 00:50:31,880 tap. Stuff like that. 1303 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,890 That I I agree by the way that there are levels. 1304 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:39,090 And I think that that basic level of water costs money by 1305 00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:41,710 the way. Or like, you know, you will be 1306 00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:43,930 taxed for the work you do. So when you get a job that's 30 1307 00:50:43,940 --> 00:50:46,950 grand a year, you don't actually get 2 1/2 grand a month. 1308 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,850 Yeah, you know you're gonna get XYZ. 1309 00:50:48,940 --> 00:50:51,550 I think that's really, really important and on a different 1310 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,430 level to like shopping for a mortgage deal or or very 1311 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,870 specific stuff. So I completely agree, like 1312 00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,240 their easy wins we could put in. Yeah, and not rely on family and 1313 00:51:01,250 --> 00:51:04,640 not rely on who people know. Yeah, yeah, that's right. 1314 00:51:04,770 --> 00:51:06,190 Hmm. What you thinking? 1315 00:51:06,250 --> 00:51:07,620 Don't know. I'll just actually think 1316 00:51:07,630 --> 00:51:10,970 reflecting on your point about some big up Ken from Asda and 1317 00:51:10,980 --> 00:51:13,460 just thinking about the social side again, just kind of going 1318 00:51:13,470 --> 00:51:15,710 back to that and not just talk about the kind of the knowledge 1319 00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:18,050 of academics and things and just being like, it's just really 1320 00:51:18,060 --> 00:51:19,610 stuck with me at that point because I just can't believe 1321 00:51:19,620 --> 00:51:22,380 I've never thought of that before that, you know, like it's 1322 00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:24,390 like, yeah, of course, actually when you go to get a job, you 1323 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,190 have to work with people from different ages and generations, 1324 00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,860 different beliefs, biases, different upbringings. 1325 00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:31,950 That's really hard navigate. I think I found that really 1326 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,110 tough starting work. I suddenly, suddenly talking to 1327 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,510 someone who's 35 years older, older than me, who had a 1328 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,210 completely different experience through life, has these 1329 00:51:39,220 --> 00:51:42,310 completely different opinions politically about social 1330 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,530 structure, everything. I'm just like, I've never been 1331 00:51:44,540 --> 00:51:46,390 experienced in this because all of them, all of the kids my age, 1332 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,540 we all think the same thing. We all just kind of agree with 1333 00:51:48,550 --> 00:51:51,320 each other because we're all grown up together, just like, 1334 00:51:51,330 --> 00:51:52,550 deep. Yeah, that's just weird to me. 1335 00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:53,690 I'm like, what? What can we even do? 1336 00:51:53,700 --> 00:51:55,280 Can we even do anything with that? 1337 00:51:55,340 --> 00:51:57,490 I don't know. Like, is that that goes back 1338 00:51:57,500 --> 00:51:59,730 down to, is that the school's responsibility? 1339 00:51:59,740 --> 00:52:01,770 Like is it even possible? For I don't think so. 1340 00:52:01,780 --> 00:52:04,070 I think. I think that's where society as 1341 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,470 a whole needs to do much better And the whole saying of like it 1342 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,230 takes a village to raise a kid and stuff like that. 1343 00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:12,310 Yeah, I think that that you cannot, I don't think you can 1344 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,290 manufacture that through like a state-run school or something 1345 00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:16,770 like that. I think you just have to what 1346 00:52:16,780 --> 00:52:19,610 the government maybe can do or what you can do as a society is 1347 00:52:19,620 --> 00:52:23,170 like, you know, for example, I know for example that you have 1348 00:52:23,180 --> 00:52:24,760 had your next door neighbour round for dinner. 1349 00:52:24,830 --> 00:52:26,590 Yeah, they're an older couple. Hmm. 1350 00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:28,610 But I think a lot of people would think, Oh no, I won't ask 1351 00:52:28,620 --> 00:52:30,440 them, because they're not. Of my generation, my friends. 1352 00:52:30,450 --> 00:52:32,380 You've had them round for dinner, so let's say Rivers 1353 00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:35,690 6789, they come round for dinner because you just make them 1354 00:52:35,700 --> 00:52:37,760 friends. That's put her in that situation 1355 00:52:37,770 --> 00:52:39,120 where she's then. That's true, you know, 1356 00:52:39,130 --> 00:52:42,120 socialising with someone on the socialising level. 1357 00:52:42,250 --> 00:52:45,800 I think that's way more about how we act as a society and how 1358 00:52:45,810 --> 00:52:47,450 we can build those things in not the schools. 1359 00:52:47,550 --> 00:52:49,360 Yeah, the school. It would be too contrived. 1360 00:52:49,370 --> 00:52:50,360 Like what? What would you do? 1361 00:52:50,370 --> 00:52:52,760 Like go to a care home like that's that's not normal. 1362 00:52:52,860 --> 00:52:56,980 It needs to be in real life situations and I think it's I I 1363 00:52:56,990 --> 00:52:59,530 guess my overall point here is I think it's important and I think 1364 00:52:59,540 --> 00:53:01,240 score has a huge role to play in this. 1365 00:53:01,300 --> 00:53:05,370 But I I don't think it's healthy to pretend that the best way to 1366 00:53:05,380 --> 00:53:08,270 do most of this would be through real life as well. 1367 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,430 To prepare someone for real life school is not real life to very 1368 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,310 manufactured experience. Like you're with 32 people of 1369 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,160 your own age group, the only time you'd ever do that and 1370 00:53:17,170 --> 00:53:19,370 you're being told a curriculum which has been decided by the 1371 00:53:19,420 --> 00:53:21,690 people in suits. What you need, you need to know. 1372 00:53:22,300 --> 00:53:25,000 Unless it fundamentally changes from the ground up, to be 1373 00:53:25,010 --> 00:53:27,860 prepared for real life is to go for real life experiences and 1374 00:53:27,870 --> 00:53:30,080 school won't provide them. No, OK. 1375 00:53:30,090 --> 00:53:32,570 I want to clarify something because I'm actually a tiny bit 1376 00:53:32,580 --> 00:53:35,000 lost as to what you think about this right, based on what you 1377 00:53:35,010 --> 00:53:36,560 said. Because my answer was no to this 1378 00:53:36,570 --> 00:53:36,950 by the. Way. 1379 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,340 Yeah, exactly. So you had a bit of a monologue 1380 00:53:40,350 --> 00:53:43,290 a minute ago about. Yeah, it was good. 1381 00:53:43,300 --> 00:53:44,730 It was good. But I was, I was kind of 1382 00:53:44,740 --> 00:53:46,070 questioning at the end like go on. 1383 00:53:46,130 --> 00:53:47,640 OK. If you are actually presented 1384 00:53:47,650 --> 00:53:51,540 with the opportunity now or it's like, yeah, you can call a unit 1385 00:53:51,730 --> 00:53:53,080 from one of the year groups. Right. 1386 00:53:53,090 --> 00:53:55,650 We're talking a minimal amount over the whole education of a 1387 00:53:55,660 --> 00:53:56,900 child. You're gonna call one of the 1388 00:53:56,910 --> 00:53:59,750 units over a whole term and they're going to replace it. 1389 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,180 Let's say it's in maths, make it, you know a big subject and 1390 00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:06,100 it is going to be replaced with some sort of unit where it's 1391 00:54:06,110 --> 00:54:08,600 just like the whole focus is this is what the average 1392 00:54:08,610 --> 00:54:10,240 person's life looks like in the UK and he's here. 1393 00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:12,590 All the things you need to know to do it and it just and you 1394 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,440 know more than what we've probably we probably touched on 1395 00:54:14,450 --> 00:54:16,460 a few things. Yeah, imagine like tax and 1396 00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:18,410 paying your bills and stuff. There's probably loads more. 1397 00:54:18,420 --> 00:54:21,170 If we sat down and thought about it, you know, you kind of made 1398 00:54:21,180 --> 00:54:23,880 the argument for, well, you know, you learn those things 1399 00:54:23,890 --> 00:54:26,000 when you need it, it's not necessarily going to be useful 1400 00:54:26,010 --> 00:54:27,460 to learn them. Would would you then actually 1401 00:54:27,470 --> 00:54:30,850 say no to that coming in let's not replace something in the 1402 00:54:30,860 --> 00:54:33,570 curriculum that exists? Or would you still be like, no, 1403 00:54:33,580 --> 00:54:35,840 OK, yeah, let's have that in. There, I wouldn't say no to it. 1404 00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:38,690 I wouldn't say no to it because I think it's, I think it's 1405 00:54:38,700 --> 00:54:40,780 useful. And I think if you started with 1406 00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:46,200 a blank canvas and someone said OK, you can learn soccer tower 1407 00:54:46,210 --> 00:54:49,730 and how to calculate the side of a triangle and how to calculate 1408 00:54:49,740 --> 00:54:53,360 the side of a triangle. Or we can do a unit on, you 1409 00:54:53,370 --> 00:54:55,990 know, bills and tax and stuff. I think it would be really, 1410 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,860 really hard to argue against picking the bills. 1411 00:54:57,870 --> 00:55:00,270 Yeah, because it does mean now that the people that do end up 1412 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,050 going becoming mathematicians have lost this. 1413 00:55:02,060 --> 00:55:03,670 Really. And that's fine, because what 1414 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,260 we're doing as a school is actually we're just trying to 1415 00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:07,440 get as many people as possible and more people do it. 1416 00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:09,370 I'm not against that. I don't want anyone to think 1417 00:55:09,380 --> 00:55:11,850 that. What I'm saying is I don't think 1418 00:55:11,860 --> 00:55:14,910 that we're going to solve this problem and prepare every child 1419 00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:16,090 for school anyway. No, no. 1420 00:55:16,100 --> 00:55:16,720 For life. Sorry. 1421 00:55:16,730 --> 00:55:18,770 Anyway no. So what I'm saying is it's all 1422 00:55:18,780 --> 00:55:21,820 well and good saying ohh schools are should this schools do that 1423 00:55:21,830 --> 00:55:24,060 And I'm not even against it. I think some of the some of the 1424 00:55:24,070 --> 00:55:26,600 stuff you see like Santander and all the big banks have like 1425 00:55:26,610 --> 00:55:29,300 released a lot of financial literacy stuff and I think it is 1426 00:55:29,350 --> 00:55:31,190 is vital to be financially literate. 1427 00:55:31,330 --> 00:55:33,820 And I think the amount of times I've explained stuff to people 1428 00:55:33,830 --> 00:55:37,070 who've just asked me, like, what does it mean pro rata, like I'm 1429 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,540 gonna go for a job, it says 24K pro rata. 1430 00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:42,880 Like, that's mental because a lot of people just think 24K and 1431 00:55:42,890 --> 00:55:45,640 it's like, no, it's pro rata. So like, maybe it's an 8.8 1432 00:55:45,650 --> 00:55:48,050 contract, you're actually paid 18 grand or whatever it is. 1433 00:55:48,330 --> 00:55:51,660 Like, I'm like, OK, that's cheeky, but but why would you 1434 00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:53,810 know that unless you've been told it, right? 1435 00:55:53,820 --> 00:55:55,780 Yeah. And and and I guess my point is 1436 00:55:55,870 --> 00:55:58,160 you could have been taught that in year eight or nine, but you 1437 00:55:58,170 --> 00:56:00,110 still might be confused. With might be real, but a lot of 1438 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,180 people might not. Be that and that's great and I'm 1439 00:56:02,190 --> 00:56:04,700 like I'm not against that. I I think what I'm saying is 1440 00:56:04,770 --> 00:56:07,320 you're never gonna prepare everyone for their life. 1441 00:56:07,370 --> 00:56:09,700 Yeah because what what is what is everyone's life is so 1442 00:56:09,710 --> 00:56:11,960 different. Like there are some people who 1443 00:56:12,170 --> 00:56:15,240 are self-employed and and need to know their tax things. 1444 00:56:15,250 --> 00:56:17,890 There are some people who are never self-employed get the gist 1445 00:56:17,900 --> 00:56:19,860 that their tax something because it goes to the government and 1446 00:56:19,870 --> 00:56:21,760 runs the NHS that they use and stuff like that. 1447 00:56:21,850 --> 00:56:24,160 Do they really need to know about the ends and outs of like, 1448 00:56:24,210 --> 00:56:26,480 maybe not. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. 1449 00:56:26,490 --> 00:56:28,780 Right? But I guess my overall point is 1450 00:56:28,790 --> 00:56:31,940 just quite simply, school is not gonna pay everyone for real 1451 00:56:31,950 --> 00:56:33,060 life. We can do the best we can. 1452 00:56:33,070 --> 00:56:34,600 We can still try and improve it. Yeah. 1453 00:56:34,650 --> 00:56:37,600 Let's not pretend, though, that there's one option that's gonna 1454 00:56:37,610 --> 00:56:38,280 fix. Everything. 1455 00:56:38,290 --> 00:56:39,850 No, because it's not, I think, anyone. 1456 00:56:39,860 --> 00:56:42,850 Thinks that, No. But I think as a wider culture, 1457 00:56:42,860 --> 00:56:45,560 let's not just point to school and say, you know what? 1458 00:56:45,610 --> 00:56:47,820 I don't know about this? And it's because of school. 1459 00:56:47,890 --> 00:56:52,780 It's like, OK, but is there are there other ways that we could 1460 00:56:52,790 --> 00:56:56,520 have learned these things? You have to learn some stuff, 1461 00:56:56,650 --> 00:56:58,880 not from school. Yeah, I guess so. 1462 00:56:58,890 --> 00:57:01,690 And to me, it's not the stuff that we've left out. 1463 00:57:01,700 --> 00:57:06,980 Yeah, OK To me, OK that's your what if I was to rank the things 1464 00:57:06,990 --> 00:57:10,870 I think are most important to like the most people right at 1465 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,540 the top is like 100 people need to read. 1466 00:57:13,180 --> 00:57:15,220 That has to be in school. And then the percentages would 1467 00:57:15,230 --> 00:57:16,760 go down, right? Like the amount of people that 1468 00:57:16,770 --> 00:57:19,500 need the thing, all of the life skills we talked about in this 1469 00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:23,250 one up above, I would honestly estimate absolutely every other 1470 00:57:23,260 --> 00:57:24,800 subject and everything you learn in them. 1471 00:57:24,810 --> 00:57:27,150 So would you, Would you just not do biology anymore then? 1472 00:57:27,220 --> 00:57:29,550 I wouldn't do it because I don't think I need that much space, 1473 00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,300 but if, but if again but. If you list everything, it's 1474 00:57:32,310 --> 00:57:35,770 like is are more people going to put a table together in their 1475 00:57:35,780 --> 00:57:36,520 life? Yeah. 1476 00:57:36,530 --> 00:57:39,110 Or put a bit of IKEA flat pack furniture furniture together. 1477 00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,070 Or, you know, learn how to budget their money every month 1478 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:43,470 because they need to pay their bills and stuff. 1479 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,870 Yeah, genuinely, Yeah. But is that more important than 1480 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,250 knowing what the function of the mitochondria is, Obviously. 1481 00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:50,820 So let's. OK, drop that then if if we have 1482 00:57:50,830 --> 00:57:52,660 to put in a flat pack part. Has to be replacing. 1483 00:57:52,670 --> 00:57:55,560 Sure. But then I say that word a flat 1484 00:57:55,570 --> 00:57:57,700 but then but then the argument carries on cause I felt that's 1485 00:57:57,710 --> 00:58:00,980 quite a like a like a headline of a newspaper like getting me 1486 00:58:00,990 --> 00:58:02,580 like capture because then the same thing. 1487 00:58:02,590 --> 00:58:05,340 OK but now let's check biology. Is there something now less 1488 00:58:05,350 --> 00:58:07,800 important biology can stay in and you just go to the bottom of 1489 00:58:07,810 --> 00:58:10,360 the list basically what's the least important thing that they 1490 00:58:10,370 --> 00:58:13,240 do at school for a term and we'll get rid of it and we'll 1491 00:58:13,250 --> 00:58:15,660 put this thing in. It's like OK, probably, I don't 1492 00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:19,840 know, maybe that maybe that unit in German that they learn in 1493 00:58:19,850 --> 00:58:21,370 year. 11 yeah. Yeah. 1494 00:58:21,380 --> 00:58:24,690 OK, check out our episode. My language is. 1495 00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:28,360 That's why I put it in there. But realistically is, isn't it? 1496 00:58:28,370 --> 00:58:31,460 It's like we something like that there'll be some unit of some 1497 00:58:31,470 --> 00:58:33,460 subject that is like ohh mate, you know what? 1498 00:58:33,470 --> 00:58:36,430 Nought point nought 2% of people ever use that in their life, 1499 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:41,100 whereas like 80% use this thing. And I think that would be a good 1500 00:58:41,180 --> 00:58:43,240 place to start. I do. 1501 00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:45,880 And I've got nothing against that because I don't think 1502 00:58:45,890 --> 00:58:47,760 school prepares children for real life right now. 1503 00:58:47,950 --> 00:58:50,820 I think it does a decent job at what it's what it does do, which 1504 00:58:50,830 --> 00:58:55,320 is exposure stuff. But it's it's impossible to do 1505 00:58:55,330 --> 00:58:56,090 it. I think that's the point. 1506 00:58:56,100 --> 00:58:58,200 I'm coming across like I don't wanna be defeatist or anything, 1507 00:58:58,210 --> 00:59:00,270 but the school is never ever going to prepare everyone 1508 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,630 because like you said, how do you, how do you mimic that 1509 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,870 societal thing where you go into work with completely different 1510 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,260 age. You can't you can't mimic that. 1511 00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:09,650 No, no, you can't learn how taxes work and that's important. 1512 00:59:09,660 --> 00:59:11,410 But as a whole, it's not gonna happen. 1513 00:59:11,420 --> 00:59:14,010 And I suppose the point that one of the last points you wanted to 1514 00:59:14,020 --> 00:59:16,940 make, and I'll, I'll throw it over to you, is we, we, I think 1515 00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:19,370 we agree and everyone in the whole country agrees that school 1516 00:59:19,380 --> 00:59:23,060 is not for everyone. So you know, how do we go about 1517 00:59:23,070 --> 00:59:25,150 this? Do we try and fix school or do 1518 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,470 we go down the route which is already happening is an open 1519 00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,310 different types of school, forest schools, you know, 1520 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:31,830 farming schools. And stuff like that. 1521 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,780 Like, I don't have anything against those schools, you hear. 1522 00:59:33,790 --> 00:59:35,510 I remember hearing learned about it when I was at secondary 1523 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,120 school actually. I've been having my mind open 1524 00:59:37,130 --> 00:59:39,310 that there was this school where kids went and it was basically 1525 00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,780 just some giant farm. And rather than doing the 1526 00:59:41,790 --> 00:59:43,780 curriculum that we did, they went out and looked after the 1527 00:59:43,790 --> 00:59:45,460 animals every day and did all the things I was like. 1528 00:59:45,470 --> 00:59:46,580 What are they all gonna become? Farm. 1529 00:59:46,590 --> 00:59:47,450 That's an option? Yeah. 1530 00:59:47,460 --> 00:59:48,290 I don't know. I don't know. 1531 00:59:48,300 --> 00:59:50,000 Maybe. Is that just as useless as the 1532 00:59:50,010 --> 00:59:51,610 curriculum? I don't, yeah, I don't know. 1533 00:59:51,620 --> 00:59:52,770 I actually don't know the answer to that. 1534 00:59:52,780 --> 00:59:55,590 But I like that those options are there. 1535 00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,540 I guess it just those those things just open your mind a 1536 00:59:59,550 --> 01:00:02,060 little bit too. There is more than this one 1537 01:00:02,070 --> 01:00:04,210 system though. Like it might not be the best 1538 01:00:04,220 --> 01:00:06,980 system that we all went through and have that circular system 1539 01:00:06,990 --> 01:00:07,650 that we've. Done. 1540 01:00:07,660 --> 01:00:09,420 Centuries. Now it's not, I guess. 1541 01:00:09,430 --> 01:00:12,960 OK, I'm gonna move on immediately because I think it's 1542 01:00:12,970 --> 01:00:15,280 really interesting, though, because school. 1543 01:00:15,290 --> 01:00:18,550 You're in a school, OK? And you have a you have a 1544 01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,260 curriculum. I always think back to one of my 1545 01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:23,260 colleagues in one of the earliest schools I worked out 1546 01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:25,220 one of the people I worked with me. 1547 01:00:25,390 --> 01:00:28,450 No. Who said they had someone in 1548 01:00:28,460 --> 01:00:31,810 their class and they were just like, school is not for this 1549 01:00:31,820 --> 01:00:34,310 kid's. School is not for this kid 1550 01:00:34,380 --> 01:00:36,330 already knew. And it was like, yeah, three or 1551 01:00:36,340 --> 01:00:39,230 four already knew that school was not for this kid and was on 1552 01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,140 it. And he, this guy was a bit sad 1553 01:00:41,150 --> 01:00:43,820 that he was like, he's got another 10 years at this because 1554 01:00:43,830 --> 01:00:46,370 he just got to it's not for him whatsoever. 1555 01:00:46,380 --> 01:00:48,750 It's complete wise waste. I know what's gonna happen when 1556 01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,530 this kid is older. In 15 years, I'm going to go to 1557 01:00:51,820 --> 01:00:56,990 my local wildlife park, my local zoo, and this kid's going to be 1558 01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,790 a zookeeper. Amazing at his job, happy as 1559 01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,510 Larry doing a practical job labour or something like that. 1560 01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:03,180 Yeah. Really good. 1561 01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:06,580 It getting on with people very sociable and schools gonna fail 1562 01:01:06,590 --> 01:01:08,220 in 15 years. You're gonna resent it. 1563 01:01:08,450 --> 01:01:10,420 He's gonna leave get a job like that. 1564 01:01:10,490 --> 01:01:13,410 And his point was just like why are we putting him through the 1565 01:01:13,420 --> 01:01:13,980 system? Yeah. 1566 01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:16,860 Why are we putting kids through this system which is absolutely 1567 01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:19,470 already we all know as professionals that school is not 1568 01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,520 preparing this kid for what their life will be. 1569 01:01:21,630 --> 01:01:25,180 Why are we pretending that it does like and no amount of 1570 01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:27,460 change in the curriculum or doing tax at the right time or 1571 01:01:27,470 --> 01:01:29,990 you know, giving him like that's not going to fix this point in 1572 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,050 that school is absolutely not for this kid, you know, what do 1573 01:01:33,060 --> 01:01:34,960 we do at that point? Because that is broken at that. 1574 01:01:34,970 --> 01:01:37,000 Point Yeah, yeah. Where's the whole And that That 1575 01:01:37,370 --> 01:01:38,850 was it from Albert Einstein or something. 1576 01:01:38,860 --> 01:01:40,890 The whole judging a fish to how it can climb a tree. 1577 01:01:40,900 --> 01:01:42,970 That analogy thing. I always remember that picture. 1578 01:01:42,980 --> 01:01:44,410 I'm like such a good visual. Representation. 1579 01:01:44,420 --> 01:01:46,140 And we got on the score. We didn't really do anything. 1580 01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:47,400 I do. Even when when that happens, 1581 01:01:47,410 --> 01:01:49,280 we're just like, Ohh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you. 1582 01:01:49,290 --> 01:01:50,980 Gotta do it. So I think the school system 1583 01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:53,580 fails so many kids is almost different conversation right 1584 01:01:53,590 --> 01:01:55,770 now, but it does and I've taught loads over there. 1585 01:01:55,780 --> 01:01:57,660 For real life. Doesn't have those kids real 1586 01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:59,650 life now, because this whole conversation, funny enough, has 1587 01:01:59,660 --> 01:02:02,020 been about the average kid. And actually, the average kid 1588 01:02:02,030 --> 01:02:03,810 isn't everyone. Yeah, and even the average kid 1589 01:02:03,820 --> 01:02:05,530 isn't fully prepared for. No, not really. 1590 01:02:05,540 --> 01:02:06,870 They're still not. Yeah, I still think. 1591 01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,630 And then, yeah, like you said, there's those outliers, but the 1592 01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,730 country is so massive, those outliers aren't one or two 1593 01:02:11,740 --> 01:02:13,670 people. It's thousands and thousands of 1594 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,730 kids every single year who are who the school system is. 1595 01:02:16,740 --> 01:02:18,290 Absolutely not remotely for them. 1596 01:02:18,300 --> 01:02:20,970 And they get, they waste in their entire childhood 1597 01:02:21,700 --> 01:02:24,930 resenting, probably end up way worse off than just not even 1598 01:02:24,940 --> 01:02:26,630 going to school because they actually just feel terrible 1599 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,080 about themselves because they failed at everything they've 1600 01:02:29,090 --> 01:02:30,820 done all the way through. Yeah, you're right. 1601 01:02:31,650 --> 01:02:33,830 Don't. I said we leave that with the 1602 01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,220 listeners. Yeah, absolutely. 1603 01:02:35,460 --> 01:02:38,820 I think even that alone though. Yeah, I guess the overall point 1604 01:02:38,830 --> 01:02:41,060 I'll make, I'll summarise then You can maybe summarise what you 1605 01:02:41,070 --> 01:02:47,580 think is it's should school even prepare every child for real 1606 01:02:47,590 --> 01:02:50,280 life? It's a futile task and there's 1607 01:02:50,290 --> 01:02:52,370 going to be certain things that we can put in, and I would never 1608 01:02:52,380 --> 01:02:56,400 argue against, but I think there's a whole there's a huge, 1609 01:02:56,410 --> 01:02:58,780 massive different way to prepare children for life and it's very 1610 01:02:58,790 --> 01:03:00,230 bespoke. And I don't think the school 1611 01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,890 system can ever do that for every single child. 1612 01:03:02,900 --> 01:03:06,380 So I think what we should be focusing on is how to make sure 1613 01:03:06,510 --> 01:03:10,990 every child can be ready using the school system and other 1614 01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:12,760 things as. Well yeah, fair enough. 1615 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,560 And my one, just go back to the original question. 1616 01:03:14,570 --> 01:03:15,950 Does it prepare children for real life? 1617 01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,020 I guess my overall point is just is no. 1618 01:03:18,030 --> 01:03:20,770 Simply because there's just a big chunk of real life that 1619 01:03:20,780 --> 01:03:23,290 isn't even hasn't even been attempted to being put into 1620 01:03:23,300 --> 01:03:26,670 school life that would, in my opinion, be prioritised over 1621 01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,050 many, many other things that already exist in school life. 1622 01:03:29,060 --> 01:03:30,710 Not everything, but many other things. 1623 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,570 And that's the point. I'd like to leave it on 1624 01:03:32,900 --> 01:03:34,330 listeners. Let us know what you think. 1625 01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:35,810 They get in touch with us doesn't. 1626 01:03:35,820 --> 01:03:38,870 Just going to say, follow us on Instagram at TP Podcast, Send us 1627 01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:40,260 a message. I'd love to hear from you guys. 1628 01:03:40,270 --> 01:03:42,140 Get involved in the polls, get involved in everything else. 1629 01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:45,860 And if you are listening right now on a Spotify or Apple 1630 01:03:45,870 --> 01:03:48,960 podcast platform, which most of you are, whatever it is 1631 01:03:48,970 --> 01:03:50,420 actually, can you please give us a review? 1632 01:03:50,430 --> 01:03:51,960 It really does help us. You've got this fine this 1633 01:03:51,970 --> 01:03:54,530 podcast, hopefully we weren't that annoying and all four we 1634 01:03:54,540 --> 01:03:56,440 were actually quite interesting to listen to, but we want to 1635 01:03:56,450 --> 01:04:00,060 hear what you think as well. What would you introduce 1636 01:04:00,070 --> 01:04:03,140 immediately into the school curriculum to prepare children 1637 01:04:03,150 --> 01:04:04,440 for real life? What would you introduce? 1638 01:04:04,450 --> 01:04:05,970 Tomorrow that's going to be our Q and. 1639 01:04:05,980 --> 01:04:08,720 A Definitely, definitely. And I think I'm going to make a 1640 01:04:08,730 --> 01:04:10,990 real as well about that nice on the day this is released. 1641 01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,990 So if you found us from that rail, hello, welcome, follow, 1642 01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:15,980 it's great. See you next time. 1643 01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:16,690 See you next time.