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Dylan celebrate, this podcast 
episode being the first one 

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available on video. 
Check us out on Spotify, by the 

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way, or on YouTube. 
I've got a little game to play. 

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Okay, good. 
I mean, I'm going to tell the 

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customers right now that they 
missed out on you, trying to do 

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this three times because you 
were nervous about the 

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Caribbean. 
But let's go straight into the 

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game. 
You know? 

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I did I broke the fourth wall 
like this. 

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Okay, you can't do that. 
What a way to switch our viewers

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off straight away. 
The first ever time the viewed 

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as to see your googly eyes 
staring down. 

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At them down the camera. 
And if you're listening, this is

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all nonsense. 
So, Let's get started with a 

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game. 
I have got three statements, 

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okay? 
And this first round of this 

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game is this right? 
You've got to guess which 

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statement is something. 
A child has actually said to me 

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this week and which two are this
one thing? 

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Yeah this is like fresh fresh 
out of the kitchen. 

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Well what children are said to 
be the shit this week, only one 

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of them's real though, okay. 
So alright first statement Mr. 

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Stevens, if you are a superhero,
you'd be Eggman. 

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And then the child proceeded to 
look at my head statement. 

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Two, my dad. 
Thought you were older than him 

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and it's his 45th birthday 
today. 

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Solid solid start, and number 
three, does mr. 

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Price do more YouTube videos 
than you? 

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Because he has hair. 
Which one of those statements? 

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Do you think is actually 
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Joints, quite sad. 
All of them. 

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Sound really exciting. 
I know I did quite well, I think

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I think it's the more YouTube 
videos one because I don't think

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that you would have wanted to 
make that stat that one up. 

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So I think that was true, it's 
not, I've made that word up. 

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I was really proud of that one 
because we've been doing loads 

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of YouTube videos this week. 
So yeah, no, it's not. 

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It was the first one. 
A child randomly came up to me, 

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not, you know, like they do when
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You, that's it. 
Yeah. 

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If you're a superhero, you'd be 
Eggman. 

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And then pointed pointed at my 
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super-powered Eggman have. 
I can fry myself on the floor. 

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I made a joke. 
Anyone. 

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Got absolutely Stig. 
Let me go rotten. 

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I've got a second round. 
Okay, this time. 

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So it's the same sort of 
principle three statements. 

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This one is well, the first 
round was so good. 

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So I can't make me shut up 
guess. 

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Which statement is something 
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working in Schools that had to 
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because we've worked together a 
lot. 

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So I had to try and make them 
obscure enough. 

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So first one really during a 
snow fight with the children. 

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I slipped over and I gave myself
a nosebleed. 

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That's you all over. 
That's you all over plenty of 

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snow fights over the is always 
good. 

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Other teachers hate me because I
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fight in the field. 
Terrible number to a child 

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brought me in a week to wear 
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funny. 
Obviously, I like it. 

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I did wear it. 
So, Okay. 

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Okay, another three. 
I organized a school trip to the

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wrong place entirely. 
And then I turn over the place. 

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I thought I booked which was not
booked. 

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This just did. 
You're like a self-deprecating 

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mode ear or not of these show 
you in a good light? 

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I don't think so. 
But I reckon I reckon the snow 

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fight one you've made up because
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it close to 1 the because I know
there's loads of snow stories 

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with you. 
The school trip one. 

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I feel like I would have known 
for like I would have known that

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you were Tom. 
If you put the wrong place I'm 

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gonna go for the week being 
true. 

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Why don't you got? 
That would write they did and it

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was actually this week. 
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Okay. 
Well, that was a fantastic game.

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What, a way to celebrate the 
video, guys. 

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Hey yeah. 
The whole thing's like this. 

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So let's crack on, shall we? 
Hello everyone. 

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Welcome back to another episode 
of teach seat. 

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Repeat, this is episode 14. 
My name is Dylan and my name is 

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Hayden and it's back to the old 
intro that we've loved so much. 

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We were off last week, we didn't
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I had literally one person. 
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were. 
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Isn't it all of our all one 
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them with Russia. 
He was a bit bogged down full of

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stuff. 
Going on local elections, but he

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found the time to message us a 
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I messaged you and ask where you
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Oh, what's that? 
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Wait. 
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really soon after the last three
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Am I the only person asked but 
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So thank you, customers for 
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whatsoever been a bit of a jam 
packed week or two really. 

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So Hayden. 
What have you been up to Pal? 

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Whatever the last two whole 
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Well, and as you can tell from 
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video which you can do by the 
way, we're going to keep safe 

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below. 
You can watch it on video now. 

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Look at moving bits. 
All right, should we search? 

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We should probably have a name 
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watch some video, some kind of, 
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because they're being creeps 
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Like, it's a podcast while 
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think of a name, what come up 
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Well, well, think about it. 
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the viewers could come up with 
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Deprecating name will have 
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audio. 
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of name for the widows who like 
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For some reason, for analysis, 
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You got it. 
The Widow's is like to watch a, 

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some reason in there, for an 
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have mouthful but which we go 
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Okay. 
Well if it's anything like this 

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podcast, you know, check our 
email address. 

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Check out Instagram name in 
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I can't wait to make a YouTube 
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you. 
God knows if this is the place 

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where you can get videos from 
TCP podcast from Haven and Dylan

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and all the creatures want to 
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Terrible anyway. 
But yeah, we've been up to I 

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mean, obviously, I went over the
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Obviously, it sounds week we'll 
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But other than that, got a bit 
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Oh no, I'm going here. 
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it'd be really good. 
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on video If I Had A stomping 
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So actually my crusty knows I 
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listening on Spotify and you 
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becoming this to come and watch 
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I think, I think I think Spotify
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I was also thinking, what 
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you talking about your lack of 
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I have so about 90%. 
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a rock, we had a whole thing. 
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1 of the podcast. 
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Charlie, I'll make down Windsor.
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Give us a bank holiday because 
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Golden Crown to a weird old man 
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about. 
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It was good. 
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made a cut a really, really good
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is crowned with the moment in 
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English film. 
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like flies. 
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against Brown and I couldn't 
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satirical piece from 20 years 
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coronation of think. 
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I've seen one with Camilla 
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crown as well. 
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they didn't sell Prince, Philip 
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years. 
Camilla comes in sweeps in, she 

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gets a crown. 
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head and I still would have 
dubbed over the audio from Harry

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Potter with a sort of hat, put 
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Those close to her Slytherin, 
the bad. 

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If we got any royalists, fast, 
turn this off. 

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Now, Dylan, if we can tear all 
this fans, they your you can. 

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I'm going on my word, I don't 
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Yeah, human some kind of 
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you in about this old bloke, 
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but the whole thing stinks to 
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Hey, oh, cost of living crisis, 
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Carriage go past. 
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I did enjoy a lot of people 
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of bird's eye view shot of the 
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with sand. 
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We know it was the capture. 
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Like this, the iron, Me here. 
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repair our roads, but we've got 
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of pumpkins and pulled by a 
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I think it's unbelievable. 
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bit of time getting 
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went to a barbecue, that was a 
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drinking out of a cup of the 
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but I did it anyway because 
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gonna do it anyway. 
Your morals. 

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Go right out the window and 
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What's that? 
What's that 17? 

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Glasses of lemonade. 
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That's right up my street. 
Some nice pop do love that. 

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King, that's me. 
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now the back on the podcast and 
I was thinking the whole time as

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I can't wait to moan about it 
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to segue really nicely into is? 
The bulk of this episode. 

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So like you said Hayden is SATs,
week for year six, they're doing

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their key stage 2 SATs after a 
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the three-second jingle. 
We're going to come back and 

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hold on. 
Hold on guys. 

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Make sure you get through it. 
Every second jingle goes 

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gravity. 
But but three seconds. 

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Come back! 
We're gonna have a chat about 

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all things SATs and we're going 
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Right. 
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We are So as we record this, 
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and I like to call it Key Stage 
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quick thing before we get into 
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Yeah, you know it is testing the
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So there's questions in these 
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the history and you have for 
most of it CS6. 

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But it is the key stage 2 SATs. 
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around these tests over the 
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overshadowed this year, I guess,
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coronation and all that stuff. 
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like there's been less of a 
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previous years about, you know, 
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we should do them. 
Not but you're literally in your

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six head and doing them this 
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So you know what your thoughts? 
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to say pepper disclaimer, just 
protecting our jobs here. 

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Dylan bit of a disclaimer for 
everyone, we would like my job. 

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Anything we talked about in 
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is not related to the actual 
status week in terms of content.

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We cannot discuss content at the
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be very silly and we're not 
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So just put it out there. 
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they're discussing, what's in 
the papers this week, we're not,

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we might reflect Act on Old 
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not talking about this week 
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bit strange for a start. 
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education is precious but we 
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and have a barbecue that kind of
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Carriage going down the Mal. 
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her or do you had weather and 
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but Which we'll talk about, 
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into, you know what I think. 
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lots of people, if this podcast,
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people who are so very quickly. 
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what they involve and then we 
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nitty-gritty of sure we put in 
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Did I want to take you on a bit 
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and and the your I'm looking at 
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outweigh, those people listening
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That awkward the only time 
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were born Dylan, before we are 
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of the national curriculum, that
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was obviously all-new. 
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play, originally involved in the
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now, in any way or you have any 
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English and maths are the core 
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the time is English test, its 
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science test as well up until 
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sets up until early. 
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say that was going. 
That was going so well. 

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And so, so boring. 
They had to go wrong. 

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again. 
Is this 2010? 

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All right, I'm look at, look at 
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Reading the wrong one. 
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very quickly. 
I'm going to just talk to the 

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viewers right now because what's
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you guys enough how much Hayden 
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according to their own videos, 
we have to really care for my 

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mistakes. 
Okay? 

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We're through really careful 
because look really weird. 

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We have to do cut sort of, 
that's why we're not cutting 

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that. 
At and that stayed in. 

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All right. 
So Dylan we can't be what 

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mistakes. 
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show our customers that our 
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is that this is why I say to the
kids. 

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If I make a mistake with 
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and I'm sure I'm modeling to 
you, what? 

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It's like to just own your 
mistakes. 

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All right, so in 2010 I'm sorry 
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calling you out, I'm calling you
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teacher does the like it's 
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mistakes. 
So I'm going to pretend I didn't

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it's really important to steaks 
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Well, I modeled this method 
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purpose. 
You will learn something from me

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Stevens. 
You told us to leave the paper 

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blank and we just handed it in. 
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we will learn from now. 
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nice 2010. 
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that was removed, and it was an 
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the general secretary, City of 
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teachers, which is a union said 
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obviously, we're just annoyed at
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taken out a core subjects of the
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If we think that's so important,
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that tests are turning young 
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was the rationale, by the way 
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for English and maths if 
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said, this is run a school back 
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cool to read it 12 years later, 
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If anything, this move will 
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on two subjects instead of 
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I mean, talk about obvious but 
it came true. 

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Like honestly, that's crazy, 
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curriculum, have a look at the 
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You haven't, and it kind of 
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Because that we judge schools 
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exclusively mastered English, 
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Frameworks coming in and judging
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can't work in tandem, what are 
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What are you talking about? 
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with SATs, which are just 
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But then have so much pressure 
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curriculum. 
It's just a hot pot of of a bit 

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of a mess, really. 
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of that, just to make it, you 
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apart, in terms of those two 
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that it would be good to 
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That is completely dependent on 
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subjects. 
Haha, just think, you know, I do

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get paid by performance. 
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like you said, it doesn't teach 
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perform in English and maths. 
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this narrow curriculum, that, 
that just focuses on two 

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subjects because that's what 
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on it. 
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it. 
Like what did what they think is

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going to happen that's going to 
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what you know, we do tons of 
math and English and everything 

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else gets pushed out of the 
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around and moan that we can't 
fit everything in the curriculum

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because we're doing so much 
English and math. 

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Yeah, like I said in the last 
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And the thing that frustrates me
for more about that is we but we

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still have the expectation of 
the often your curriculum. 

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So you're absolutely right. 
Like everything's judged on the 

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morning but then it's just kind 
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that you. 
But yeah, you've also got do 

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this, and it's like, okay, are 
we judge? 

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Don't know, but ofsted might 
come in and judge your framework

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and do a deep dive into your 
coffee. 

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So we have to make sure that 
that is absolutely bad. 

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Look, it's really frustrating 
talking about it because we both

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understand and appreciate that 
every subject, of course, has to

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be in a perfect place. 
That's what you always have to 

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strive for. 
We want the best for their 

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children, but it's just so 
unrealistic. 

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And the pressure of SATs. 
We talked about this last week, 

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I wanted to talk to you about 
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teacher, I've never officially 
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placements in year six, I've 
helped out in your six your year

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six teacher having done the SATs
for a few years now. 

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Yeah I wonder how you see 
something we coin. 

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A few weeks ago, one of our 
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stupid trickle-down economics 
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doesn't come down but when we 
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stress and then like you know 
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the outside looking in when I 
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maths and children being invited
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I just think who's that for that
is for the school's League table

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results that and you know, that 
is for this arbitrary measure of

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children's Targets in secondary 
school from their sat. 

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Results children develop at 
different rates. 

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I just find this pressure from 
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the children and being so 
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aims as Educators. 
What do you think? 

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I just feel like the whole the 
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counterproductive, I think it's 
a bit of a double sided coin. 

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And I like, I all somewhat 
disagree with you not completely

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because I your rationale behind 
your point, I understand it. 

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But I also think that and this 
goes It's everything I normally 

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say, right? 
But the dike hopefully 

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understand. 
I'm not just suddenly flipping 

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sighs. 
I'm a big tall right now, but I 

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think anything that could be 
remotely seen as like, horrible.

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I'm not at all worried boy. 
Let's go. 

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Tory's, got, I'm sorry. 
Go without a even smaller place 

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of audience. 
Listen, we want an echo chamber.

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Okay, tell us were funny and 
tell us where right politically 

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it's all we want, but yeah, but 
factors. 

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That's right. 
So it's a weird one because you 

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talked about like halftime clubs
and doing all these extra boost.

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Things. 
I do think that can go too far 

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and I think that's the point 
you're making like it gets a bit

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ridiculous. 
Like, you know, that's not all 

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schools for, and are we only 
doing that because we're so 

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worried about data and are paid 
progression and that sort of 

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stuff that we're doing this? 
Or is it because we care about 

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the kids but the reason I think 
it's a double-edged the 

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double-edged sword, a double 
sided coin is because also it 

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does keep us accountable as a 
profession, I do think it makes 

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teachers really, really think 
twice about everything they're 

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teaching, you know, is you Not 
just take a flippant approach to

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it or whatever, what will be 
will be, we all going to be 

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judged in there, mate. 
So, you know, you need to be, 

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make sure you got the absolute 
best provision in for your kids 

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because if you don't, it's going
to be bad for them. 

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And it's also going to be bad 
for you, by the way. 

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So make sure everything's in 
place. 

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So there's part of me that works
where it's like, I do get it and

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I do think it's great. 
Actually, a lot of these kids 

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Thrive, they get all this extra 
stuff put in place and they 

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absolutely Thrive from it and 
end up doing really well. 

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But I do get the pressures and 
stress, you know, the I guess 

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that's the point you're making, 
okay? 

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So cupcake or a couple of points
come back to our next. 

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I find it really interesting and
you've remotely disagreed with 

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me. 
So I've got my backup trailer 

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and so it's really interesting 
to me. 

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I guess, the first thing I 
wanted to say, was it really 

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Narrows your focus in terms of 
like you know, you're going to 

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be judged on this. 
And like that's kind of the 

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point we were just making which 
is like, okay well if it does 

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narrow my focus then what kind 
of missing out of the kids 

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holistic approach because of 
that, Not just into math and 

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English, for example. 
But the other point I guess is 

449
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:55,800
well, is if teachers I know for 
a fact have looked at the 

450
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,500
curriculum before and instead of
thinking, okay, how can I best 

451
00:21:59,500 --> 00:22:00,900
deliver this? 
Curriculum for my children 

452
00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:02,700
because I need to be have the 
curriculum delivered. 

453
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,900
They've said, okay, what's the 
best way to get more marks in 

454
00:22:06,900 --> 00:22:09,100
the SATs paper? 
What can I prioritize? 

455
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,900
What can I maybe not teach the 
children because it's not worth 

456
00:22:11,900 --> 00:22:14,200
my time because not not lots of 
them will get it. 

457
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,600
But if I spend more time on this
instead, Said that's going to 

458
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,200
potentially get the more marks 
in the test at the detriment of 

459
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,300
their curriculum. 
That's, that's a very good 

460
00:22:21,300 --> 00:22:23,800
point. 
And that is widely widely seen 

461
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,000
across this profession. 
That's just not like low call, 

462
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,500
or like, a few scores. 
I have, I agree. 

463
00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:31,800
I've seen that from hundreds of 
people online and things saying 

464
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,200
that's what they're doing. 
And yeah, you're probably right.

465
00:22:34,300 --> 00:22:36,700
I think, I think as a wider 
Point, you're probably right. 

466
00:22:36,700 --> 00:22:39,800
I'm going down the perspective 
of I'm, I'm drawn into thinking 

467
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,600
that the most important thing 
that's probably what I'm doing 

468
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,000
right now and I'm I'm agreeing. 
Oh yeah. 

469
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,300
Math and English are the most 
important thing they Highest 

470
00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:48,800
value. 
So therefore doing all these 

471
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,000
extra boosters and things is 
great, objectively, great for 

472
00:22:51,008 --> 00:22:53,600
the children because they're 
going to be better at math and 

473
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,400
English. 
These really highly important 

474
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,000
things but I think you've got 
it. 

475
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,700
Made a good point about. 
Let's not forget though, that 

476
00:22:59,700 --> 00:23:01,600
the curriculum is supposed to be
Broad and balanced. 

477
00:23:02,500 --> 00:23:06,300
And perhaps, if we weren't paid 
based on the results of these 

478
00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:09,300
and we didn't have League 
tables, maybe we wouldn't think 

479
00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:11,900
these are the most important and
we'd actually not put these 

480
00:23:11,900 --> 00:23:14,200
things in place and instead of 
doing Mass boosters, maybe we'd 

481
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,200
do some cool people. 
Lesson or some art lesson or, 

482
00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:20,000
you know, some geography that 
the children are interested in. 

483
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,100
So, yeah, it's a good point, 
yeah. 

484
00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:24,000
Really interests me because I, 
again, I'm not someone who's 

485
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,000
been in with the pressures of 
actually being the year, 60 

486
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,900
chirring, always when you're in 
on the, on the front line, 

487
00:23:30,100 --> 00:23:32,800
things are very different. 
It's a very similar thing, but I

488
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,600
went to year three and a Junior 
School. 

489
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,400
Everyone told me before you. 
Three and a junior school, they 

490
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,300
come from a different school 
until Christmas sometimes, 

491
00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:42,100
that's how long it takes them to
embed routines. 

492
00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:44,100
And, you know, get out to 
scratch with like, the school 

493
00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:45,700
expectations. 
I thought it was nonsense. 

494
00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:49,000
And they said it will take 15, 
20 minutes to write the day and 

495
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,700
the learning objective. 
I thought it was nonsense. 

496
00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:53,100
It all turned out to be true so 
it's very eye-opening being in 

497
00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:55,900
the job so I get that for you 
six teachers listening who think

498
00:23:55,900 --> 00:23:58,600
maybe I'm being a bit idealistic
and I like the idea of you being

499
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,100
a bit more realistic coming back
with some, you know, the actual 

500
00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:04,800
thing that happens. 
But from my point of view as 

501
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:10,300
well that the problem I see and 
it's not something people like 

502
00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:15,400
to talk about, but it is 
absolutely true that it happens 

503
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,900
when Where people are so 
pressurized, whether it's from 

504
00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:22,900
their own, you know, self-belief
and wanting to be seen as a good

505
00:24:22,900 --> 00:24:28,300
teacher, or from SLT from the 
top down that, how can I say 

506
00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:31,900
this? 
Not cheating, but absolutely, 

507
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,400
there is such a pressure to get 
the right scores that, you know,

508
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:40,100
children might be you, I would, 
I want to say, it's really 

509
00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:41,800
fitting correctly because I'm 
not saying I've seen this 

510
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,300
happen, but I know for a fact 
that it does that you know, 

511
00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:49,000
people might be coerced or very 
tempted to kind of guide 

512
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,900
children's hands a bit and help 
a bit more than they're supposed

513
00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:54,400
to or you know, go around and 
just say all chip you know, 

514
00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:57,700
check that again kind of thing 
because it's so such a highly 

515
00:24:57,700 --> 00:25:00,500
pressurized job and I suppose we
see it a lot more, it's linked 

516
00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:02,700
to SATs it's how we assess the 
children and we're just as 

517
00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:04,900
teachers but with the writing 
moderations and things like 

518
00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:09,100
that, where it's very tempting 
to just push that hand and be 

519
00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:14,800
like ah, Well, it's a you're 
right and I'm sure, you know, I 

520
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,900
imagine any normal human being 
is going to feel that pressure 

521
00:25:18,900 --> 00:25:21,800
right to get these kids perform 
and I think it hype. 

522
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:26,000
What that does is highlight a 
really fundamental flaw of the 

523
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,500
SATs and kind of exams, really? 
In general, which is that it's a

524
00:25:30,500 --> 00:25:34,000
performance on one day to judge 
children on for years of 

525
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,700
learning. 
And and and it is kind of crazy,

526
00:25:37,700 --> 00:25:38,900
really? 
Isn't it if you think about it? 

527
00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:42,200
Like let's take a typical 
Grammar punctuation and spelling

528
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,500
test right so the children sit a
GPS Test it within their SATs 

529
00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:49,200
every year and quite often on 
the lead-up to SATs, will do 

530
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,500
mock tests and things like that 
just from based on previous 

531
00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:54,200
years. 
And so I've become very familiar

532
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,400
with SATs papers over the last 
five, six years. 

533
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,900
And each question is kind of 
designed to test an area of the 

534
00:26:00,900 --> 00:26:03,400
curriculum, right? 
So if you actually look behind 

535
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,400
the scenes of the SATs, there's 
always like there's always 

536
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,600
coding that goes with every 
question and it all it breaks it

537
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:09,800
down. 
You can find out what the 

538
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,300
purpose of a question Oh, it was
testing their ability to use 

539
00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:15,800
apostrophes in contracted formed
words. 

540
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,700
All right and they'll be maybe 
two questions on that in the 

541
00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:21,400
whole paper one. 
Usually because there's so many 

542
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,900
objectives to teach across the 
key stage 2 and you know, we 

543
00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:28,600
know what the children can do 
and I can have. 

544
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,300
Can you just imagine in that 
hypothetical situation? 

545
00:26:31,300 --> 00:26:33,600
We are saying, you know, people 
might be tempted to kind of 

546
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,500
guide children's hands where 
they know that that child can 

547
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,000
can do it because they've done 
it consistently for the last two

548
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,700
years. 
Maybe and then you see them. 

549
00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:44,000
It wrong and that's their one 
and only chance to show that in 

550
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,100
the whole four years. 
They've learned how to use 

551
00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:47,500
apostrophes. 
I think that that's the flaw in 

552
00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:50,800
the system, why really? 
So that kid made a little silly 

553
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,300
are all just made a mistake 
we'll just midriff. 

554
00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:55,800
Misread the question and now 
from as a data point that child 

555
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,900
can categorically not do 
apostrophes now. 

556
00:26:57,900 --> 00:27:01,200
That's what it means and it's 
like, yeah that's that's that's 

557
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,700
a dangerous game when you're 
playing with you and beings who 

558
00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:06,600
have this like real close bond 
with this class that they 

559
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,800
developed over a year and they 
want them to succeed and do 

560
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,500
well. 
And they know we know as 

561
00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:14,100
teachers What those children can
do like the back of our hand, we

562
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:18,000
know what they can do. 
So yeah, it's a horrible. 

563
00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:21,800
I don't know how I saw him. 
I saw a meme online and it was 

564
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:22,800
very similar to this. 
And this what? 

565
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,300
I mean II want to make it really
clear. 

566
00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:26,400
I'm not talking about someone 
said, they're telling someone 

567
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,100
the answer. 
I'm not talking about that, 

568
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:31,900
that's just outright cheating. 
And I don't believe anyone does 

569
00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:33,600
that. 
I know the very, very few, but I

570
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,900
don't believe people do that. 
I'm talking about exactly what 

571
00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:38,600
you just said, you know? 
And they're saw a me and it was 

572
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,800
hilarious because I remember 
this being in school, Or and it 

573
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,000
was it was this guy pretending 
to be a teacher and he was being

574
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,600
like a moderator walking around 
right in the exam Hall and he 

575
00:27:48,608 --> 00:27:50,100
walks up. 
He walks up to the person. 

576
00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:52,700
He's like this, he's like 
looking I could do acting now 

577
00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:53,900
because this is going on 
Spotify. 

578
00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:56,000
Oh yeah, go on. 
Then she walks up. 

579
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:02,800
It was bent over and he just 
goes and stands up and goes to 

580
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:03,800
the front of the room turns 
around. 

581
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,900
And says, guys, you need to 
remember to check your answers 

582
00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:12,500
really carefully. 
Just as Yes, I remember that so 

583
00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:15,100
fast, it's cool, but a teacher, 
but we need to make sure we 

584
00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:16,700
check our answers. 
Okay. 

585
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,400
Yeah. 
All of our answers, especially 

586
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,900
the page were on right now, like
staring at the person. 

587
00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:25,500
So in the real SATs we have to 
there's with that, you know, 

588
00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:28,700
it's really strict for a reason 
because at the end of the day is

589
00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:31,000
much as we talk joke about it 
and we say like how people might

590
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,100
be pressurized, it is imperative
that nobody does that. 

591
00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:36,300
You know, as we both agree, 
we've had this discussion 

592
00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:40,700
before, like it can't be a 
standardized like set tests. 

593
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,000
It's if if it's not standardized
in the way, it's delivered, 

594
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,200
right? 
So we are literally given like 

595
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,600
scripts in the morning to read 
off of and it and, and we have 

596
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,900
these little booklets that we 
have to read through a, for 

597
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:56,300
example, if you are a one-to-one
reader for a child because 

598
00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:59,200
certain children qualify for 
having an adult, helping them 

599
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,600
read that, the questions there 
is like, a whole guidance, 

600
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,300
booklet of things, you can and 
can't do and you must follow it.

601
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:07,600
And I get why they've made all 
these things. 

602
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,700
It's to avoid people thinking, 
oh not breaking the rules. 

603
00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:14,600
I just, you know, go and tap on 
the desk and get them to reread 

604
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,100
a question. 
I'm not helping them. 

605
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:19,300
I thought told them any content 
I'm just, you know, I've noticed

606
00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:21,300
that they've made a silly 
mistake and I know they can do 

607
00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:24,400
this thing and it's to tell 
trying to avoid all of that sort

608
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,400
of Foul Play, that that, you 
know, potentially goes on in 

609
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,700
different schools, but we still 
human beings. 

610
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,200
I, I can't guarantee that across
the country. 

611
00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:35,900
There are not people doing this 
sort of thing, and I do think 

612
00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:39,400
that that might be, that might 
have a part to play in. 

613
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,900
Why? 
Why the bar Gets raised every 

614
00:29:41,900 --> 00:29:44,900
single year because children 
seem to be, you know, doing all 

615
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:46,500
their doing so. 
Well in English and maths, the 

616
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:48,800
back of the bar. 
A what I wanted to talk about is

617
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,900
quickly actually because it's 
something I really strongly 

618
00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:57,100
believe in which kind of then 
leads to a point of view that 

619
00:29:57,100 --> 00:29:58,500
people might think my job is 
pointless that. 

620
00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:01,200
I think I'm actually poisonous 
but I don't but I'm going to try

621
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,200
and explain my point of view 
here because on my huge problem 

622
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:09,800
is year-to-year comparisons 
especially within the same 

623
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,200
school. 
On the national scale is that 

624
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,700
hundreds of thousands of 
children. 

625
00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:16,600
Take the test on the national 
scale. 

626
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,600
That's enough data to make an 
accurate. 

627
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,000
Judgment of, you know, whether 
children are progressing or 

628
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,100
regressing, whatever it is right
with like within a school. 

629
00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:32,200
It's so backwards because you 
could just get a class who based

630
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,400
on the national average are well
above average and the next year 

631
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,400
you could get a class that based
on the national average are well

632
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,600
below and In The Raw scores that
get published and that let the 

633
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,100
public. 
See you could go from one Year. 

634
00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:50,900
Everyone 90% Plus in English. 
Reading in maths as well. 

635
00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:55,500
Ever not 100% across across the 
board, amazing scores do the 

636
00:30:55,500 --> 00:30:58,600
exact same provision, put the 
exact same amount of work in 

637
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,200
place. 
Do the exact same research to 

638
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,400
the same amount of, you know, 
guiding and helping the children

639
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,000
and doing the exact same thing. 
And next year, your scores could

640
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,900
drop by 20% and it is literally 
quite simply To, that's the 

641
00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:14,000
ability of the children in your 
class and there's like, 

642
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,600
comparisons made between it and 
I think that's so toxic, I fully

643
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,100
agree by the way, I've always 
I've always found that insane 

644
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:22,700
even my first year of teaching. 
I remember having that kind of 

645
00:31:22,708 --> 00:31:26,000
thought, process of like wait, 
what why do we ever why do we 

646
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,400
compare year groups at all at 
what that seems pointless for 

647
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,500
that. 
Exact reason you said, because 

648
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:32,800
I've seen it every school I've 
ever worked in and every school 

649
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,900
I've ever heard of it happens. 
Like it's completely normal. 

650
00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:39,300
There was one year where they 
get 95% and there's like wow 

651
00:31:39,300 --> 00:31:41,800
look how well we did. 
And that's always the exactly 

652
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,100
how well we think that's teacher
the next year, they'll get 67 

653
00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:47,400
percent. 
And it's know what you have to 

654
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,700
say. 
You have to say, if you said, 

655
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:51,300
look how well we did. 
Because of the 95%. 

656
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:54,100
You have to then say next year, 
look how badly we did. 

657
00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:55,900
Yeah. 
But it does the same logic then 

658
00:31:55,900 --> 00:31:57,500
we go there. 
Just below the cohort was lower.

659
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:58,500
They were lower. 
Yeah. 

660
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:01,300
I know I just I just think we 
really have to take a step back 

661
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:04,300
and just be like look, unless 
something drastic has changed 

662
00:32:04,300 --> 00:32:07,100
Personnel is massively changed 
or you know your schemes or 

663
00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:08,200
you're doing or anything like 
that. 

664
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,100
It unless you're looking at kind
of The tracking that year group 

665
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:14,900
through year, 3 year, 4 year 5 
based on averages it's 

666
00:32:14,900 --> 00:32:16,300
pointless. 
It's just you're just going to 

667
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:18,800
dig yourself a hole for when it 
comes out, that eventually which

668
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,600
it will. 
I actually don't think a lot of 

669
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,200
people do. 
I reckon a lot of teachers? 

670
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,300
A lot of people in this 
profession do genuinely, just 

671
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:26,400
take that with a pinch of salt, 
like comparing, but we do like 

672
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,100
to talk about it for some 
reason, but I think they do. 

673
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,200
And yeah, I think my point more 
was this? 

674
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,200
These stats get pushed like they
put up on the washer percent in 

675
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,700
reading but that they're, 
they're like the simplification 

676
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:40,600
of it and that Nuance, 
absolutely. 

677
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,100
It's of teachers, have that but 
parents that don't necessarily 

678
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,700
and I think some staff still 
cling on to that as if well 

679
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:48,800
that's our Benchmark. 
And it's like well it's just not

680
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,700
though is it was a benchmark for
that cohort of children but 

681
00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:53,500
they're gone. 
Now is a new coil children. 

682
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:57,400
I think I had an old head 
teacher of mine who I don't work

683
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,200
for any more made a really good 
point. 

684
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,700
And I really learned something 
from him when he said this 

685
00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:04,100
because I did, I was quite new 
to SATs and things at the time, 

686
00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:06,200
was actually my first year in 
year six was all a whole new 

687
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,200
world to me. 
And I was fall into that trap of

688
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,300
being like super wide about the 
Tara and like comparing it to 

689
00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:15,600
the last year and all that sort 
of stuff and he said to me, 

690
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:19,100
don't worry about all this. 
Just stop worrying about this. 

691
00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:22,800
He's like the only thing that 
matters is their progress data 

692
00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:25,600
on an individual level. 
Yeah. 

693
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:28,000
And I didn't know what you meant
and he really explained to me. 

694
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,700
He was like look each child is 
tracked and we track their 

695
00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:34,900
progress and basically I don't 
know how much you know about 

696
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:37,400
this Dylan but every child gate 
basically gets Like A Plus or a 

697
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,400
minus number at the end of Key 
Stage 2 to see how much progress

698
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,500
they've made. 
Since Key Stage 1, and that's 

699
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:44,900
tracked and that's what he cared
about and I was and I was like, 

700
00:33:44,900 --> 00:33:46,900
you know what, actually that's a
really good approach. 

701
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:47,700
Yeah. 
Okay. 

702
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:50,400
Our data might, you might not be
so worried about our date of the

703
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,700
stuff that goes to the public 
which we should care about. 

704
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:57,100
Because like you said, entered a
wider Community do form opinions

705
00:33:57,100 --> 00:34:01,400
on it so we can't not care about
it at all but from his point of 

706
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,100
view for the children and for us
as teachers, it was way more 

707
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:08,199
relevant to look at the 
individual learning progress, 

708
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,699
journey of those children and 
identify children. 

709
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,900
And our lower down on that 
Journey, they're the children. 

710
00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:16,600
If you're going to put Focus 
time into any children, it's not

711
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,600
the ones is not to like sneak 
them into the next band. 

712
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,199
Get them to expect it or get 
into greater depth. 

713
00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:21,900
It's no. 
Look at the children that need 

714
00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:24,600
more support because I'm not 
making as much progress that, 

715
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:25,699
you know. 
That's what if you've got extra 

716
00:34:25,699 --> 00:34:28,100
resources, put them there 
because those children are not 

717
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:31,800
making enough progress. 
And I really like that, I think 

718
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,199
that that actually that data 
does also get published but it's

719
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,600
just way more kind of dense and 
harder to, you know, take in. 

720
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,600
So you're absolutely right. 
And I again, 99% of school. 

721
00:34:40,699 --> 00:34:43,000
As will use that as the metric. 
Absolutely. 

722
00:34:43,100 --> 00:34:45,199
And actually, from my point of 
view being lower down in the 

723
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:49,300
school, it's something we use 
looking at people progress 

724
00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:52,199
throughout their Journey. 
So it's not something that we 

725
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:53,600
kind of just ignore until you 
six. 

726
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,300
While God, wait, they need to 
get to this one. 

727
00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:57,600
Yeah, progress. 
We look at it now like okay. 

728
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,300
Well, what was their key stage, 
1 attainment, why they tracking 

729
00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:02,600
for what do they need to get? 
Which children need an 

730
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,300
intervention. 
Yeah, and that's the more 

731
00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:05,400
holistic way to do. 
It, isn't it? 

732
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:10,300
Because it's a classic thing of 
if you just look at the results.

733
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,900
He's going to go to your bottom 
Chunk on you and think, well, 

734
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:15,300
they're at the bottom, so they 
need more. 

735
00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:18,500
They could be making rapid 
progress and your children. 

736
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:20,300
The middle could be stagnating 
and not making the progress, 

737
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:22,100
they need. 
And it's really nuanced. 

738
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:26,100
And I just think the simplistic 
way sometimes frustrates me. 

739
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,500
Because I just think, okay, it's
way more complex than I can 

740
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:31,600
think of a good analogy actually
that just kind of summarizes the

741
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,000
flaws that we should be talking 
about, right? 

742
00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:36,400
So if we had a cohort of 
children that key stage 1, let's

743
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,300
say there are really really high
ability cohort and a key stage 1

744
00:35:40,300 --> 00:35:43,500
with 95% of them across the 
board was sick, was achieving 

745
00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:45,600
expected. 
And then at the end of Key Stage

746
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,400
2 in year 6, we get 90 percent 
across the board which looks 

747
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,200
like a great number by itself. 
90% is a good number in the 

748
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,000
teaching World versus another 
cohort that came up from Key 

749
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,900
Stage 1 at 40% across, the 
boards are really low and then 

750
00:35:58,900 --> 00:36:02,300
they ended at 70%. 
We'd celebrate generally in the 

751
00:36:02,300 --> 00:36:04,300
teaching culture in The Wider 
Community with celebrate that 

752
00:36:04,300 --> 00:36:08,000
90% as like a wow, well done. 
But whereas objectively 

753
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,500
progress, wise, the other Data 
has made way more progress and 

754
00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:15,300
we should be way more 
celebratory of, you know, a 

755
00:36:15,308 --> 00:36:17,400
co-worker children. 
Going for 40 percent expected to

756
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,500
seventy percent expected. 
That's that's much better. 

757
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:23,500
And that I think, kind of 
encapsulates the whole argument 

758
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:25,000
we were just having quite 
nicely. 

759
00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:28,800
I guess the last thing that was 
really thinking about it comes 

760
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:29,700
to mind. 
Hopefully we've kind of 

761
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:32,200
summarize what the status is and
you know, the arguments for it 

762
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,000
and the problems it might face 
but very quickly. 

763
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,400
Children do actually a lot of 
them and it's important to say 

764
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,600
this because it's true, they do 
Thrive off it. 

765
00:36:43,700 --> 00:36:45,400
They really do, they'll be 
always be children who are 

766
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,000
nervous about it. 
We need to detail them, but 

767
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,500
you're right. 
There are children who love test

768
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:51,500
week. 
They love having a go, it's what

769
00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:52,700
they do. 
It's almost for them like 

770
00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:55,400
playing a game of football. 
I was speaking to a child today 

771
00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:58,400
I was having Lunch in the hall 
with the children and he was 

772
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,800
just expressing how excited he 
was that the maths paper was 

773
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,400
coming up and I just thought 
that's lovely and, you know, we 

774
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,200
don't need to, you know, put 
that person down because we have

775
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,200
a view on sats made maybe that 
we think as a whole perhaps 

776
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,200
there's a better way that we 
could be, assessing the 

777
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,000
children, especially, you know, 
Key Stage, 1 set, when they're 

778
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,800
six and they're doing a year to 
SATs. 

779
00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:20,700
But you know, it also, there is 
a body of thought that these 

780
00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:24,400
tests prepare them for secondary
school, where tests become way 

781
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,800
more important way. 
More high stakes. 

782
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,800
When it comes to GCSE, kind of 
gives them a bit of a dry run. 

783
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,600
And if they're going to have 
that anxiety around testing, why

784
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,300
not have it at this point when 
they are old enough to kind of 

785
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:39,300
understand what's going on, you 
know, that they're very mature. 

786
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:41,800
Lot of the ten and eleven year 
old who are doing it, get over 

787
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,200
that hopefully earlier get the 
help, they need the support they

788
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,800
need, but still do it. 
And then when it comes to doing 

789
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,000
Secondary School tests, it's way
more kind of par for the course.

790
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,500
And, you know, they're more used
to doing it. 

791
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,600
I can honestly say I have spoken
to loads of children this week 

792
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,800
who are Just thoroughly enjoying
it, to be honest with you. 

793
00:37:58,100 --> 00:38:00,400
I just saw they often enjoy, but
you know, it's like I said, 

794
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,700
there's two sides to every coin.
There are children also that are

795
00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:05,000
stressed and nervous and, and 
that they're the children that 

796
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,700
we kind of focus on sometimes 
when we talk about negative 

797
00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:10,300
sides of SATs still an auto ask 
you a question, is the question 

798
00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:12,900
I get asked all the time by your
success? 

799
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:14,300
I don't know what your 
recyclables. 

800
00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:17,600
Yeah. 
Wait, it's coming up. 92% in 

801
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,700
this podcast. 
Now, of me being bold. 

802
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:24,100
So I get asked this all the time
by the children and parents to 

803
00:38:24,100 --> 00:38:25,600
be fair. 
I don't know what your answer 

804
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:26,900
is, not. 
Being the Essex teacher? 

805
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,100
Are you over 45? 
No, I made that one up, done. 

806
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,800
It is and you probably you 
probably heard as well. 

807
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,000
It is, what's the point of the 
SATs? 

808
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:39,200
What would be your response like
as well? 

809
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:44,400
Okay, I'm not on your 62 point. 
The set from my point of view, 

810
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:49,700
the the three-point, the SATs. 
Like we said it tracks 

811
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,200
children's attainment of how, 
well, they know the key stage 2,

812
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,000
curriculum in English and maths.
That's that's the base one. 

813
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,300
It tracks their progress from 
progress points in the key 

814
00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:03,500
stage, 1 sets up to Key Stage 2.
So that's I would say also it 

815
00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:08,000
adds kind of not hidden. 
But a lesser known value. 

816
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,200
Let's say and we can talk about 
the value of this, but it is 

817
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,300
used for predicted grades. 
Isn't it in secondary school? 

818
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,200
It's used as a metric for that. 
I know you go to secondary 

819
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,100
school and lots of, you know, 
schools will have their own way 

820
00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:23,700
of, you know, taking tests in 
the first few weeks to set the 

821
00:39:23,707 --> 00:39:25,100
children. 
However they want to set them. 

822
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,200
Don't necessarily use your SATs 
data, but that data is still 

823
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,500
logged, a big event website and 
it's still used for Progress. 

824
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,300
Like we said, it's used for out 
primary school and the key stage

825
00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:35,600
2 sets. 
We can see how much That 

826
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,900
progressed that's just another 
point in the scale where they 

827
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:41,000
carry on learning in secondary 
school and it's used again to 

828
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,000
track their progress. 
Right? 

829
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:44,000
But yeah that's basically what I
say to George and I just say 

830
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,400
look I look at your key stage 1 
Day to all the time just to make

831
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,100
sure that you know people are 
getting to the right place. 

832
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:52,900
If you came up and as greater 
depths of those aren't listening

833
00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:55,800
greater depth is kind of like 
working, well above average in 

834
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,100
an area. 
Then I want to make sure, you 

835
00:39:57,107 --> 00:39:58,900
know, you're being pushed in 
your on track to get to Greater 

836
00:39:58,900 --> 00:40:02,000
depth still because that shows 
good progress and I'll say the 

837
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,500
same thing happens. 
Now to your key stage 3, 

838
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:07,300
teachers. 
We'll have access to this data 

839
00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:09,200
and it gives them a snapshot 
into like, you know, your 

840
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,400
ability and and there will be 
held accountable to make sure, 

841
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,800
you know, ensure that you're 
making progress through key 

842
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,500
stage 3. 
And that's the kind of the spill

843
00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:18,300
I give to them. 
But so often I get this, like, 

844
00:40:18,300 --> 00:40:21,000
they'll come and be like, yeah, 
well my mom told me that it's 

845
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,500
just for the school and 
spellings of you don't really 

846
00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:23,900
need to do it. 
Don't worry about it. 

847
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,000
I get it all the time and part 
of me is like, yeah, don't worry

848
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,000
about it then. 
Because I'm not gonna put all 

849
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,400
the pressure on you, you know, 
I'll say to them what I just 

850
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:33,400
said about. 
Yeah, it's a little bit 

851
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,800
important because it keeps you 
keeps a straight. 

852
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,100
But ultimately, Yeah, yeah, it's
for the school and we really 

853
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:38,600
want you to do. 
Well, you know, I we want, we 

854
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,600
want to show off how well you've
done at our school. 

855
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,800
And I'll just say that and they 
usually like, well fair enough. 

856
00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:52,700
It was mostly for us because 
it's right back to the beginning

857
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:55,100
of this conversation. 
It is mostly for us because 

858
00:40:55,100 --> 00:40:57,200
we're paid on it. 
Our schools judged on it. 

859
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,200
Okay? 
Of course it's for us. 

860
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,500
I really enjoyed that chat is 
really good because as an 

861
00:41:05,500 --> 00:41:07,700
on-year, six teacher, but 
someone in the primary school 

862
00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:10,100
setting, I know we're working 
towards that and I know it's a 

863
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:14,700
journey for the whole of Key 
Stage, 2 and yeah, so thanks for

864
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:16,300
that. 
I always find interesting when 

865
00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:20,700
staff, when it comes around to 
search results SLT will make a 

866
00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:23,800
really nice concerted effort to 
say but it's everyone's, you 

867
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,700
know, it's the whole school 
journey and it really is, but 

868
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:28,800
even as someone who's not in 
year six, I kind of sometimes 

869
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,300
want to say, Yeah, but mainly 
it's thank you. 

870
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,900
So all you year, six teachers 
out there. 

871
00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:36,000
Yes. 
It's a whole Key Stage 2 thing. 

872
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:39,500
But at the end of the day you're
the guys slogging away for that 

873
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:43,100
final push and we appreciate you
but not Hayden but everyone else

874
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:44,600
we appreciate you was about to 
say, thanks. 

875
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,900
But not now. 
Yes, you know you do, all right 

876
00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:48,600
pal. 
You do it right. 

877
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,100
You got feel time now for eight 
weeks so I'm sure that with 

878
00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:54,600
plain yeah. 
That's like I hope this in year 

879
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,000
six teachers listening to this 
thinking. 

880
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,700
Yeah, posts that's life if the 
the stress that's gonna wear a 

881
00:41:58,700 --> 00:41:59,700
little bit. 
We usually do. 

882
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,500
Pharmacist, schools. 
That's quite a common thing in 

883
00:42:02,500 --> 00:42:03,900
your six. 
I don't know where that came 

884
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:05,800
from, by the way, that's it's a 
very bizarre thing, but it just 

885
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,900
seems to be English culture. 
That's lovely. 

886
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:10,100
You're 61 like it performance or
something. 

887
00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:13,100
It's almost as if they said, 
okay, I understand how much 

888
00:42:13,300 --> 00:42:14,500
we've been doing maths and 
English. 

889
00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:16,500
Let's do something completely 
different or going to do the 

890
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:19,400
Arts, and I think it's lovely. 
Just, you know, some children 

891
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,400
really, really loved and it 
Sparks something is true. 

892
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,900
Someone said to me before, 
because I was like, oh we 

893
00:42:22,900 --> 00:42:24,900
probably shouldn't do because 
that's not like the curriculum 

894
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:26,200
properly and they were like 
yeah, it is. 

895
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,600
But all we've done is we've 
condensed a lot of the mass in 

896
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,600
English into a slightly smaller 
Smaller time frame, and probably

897
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,300
sacrifice some of those other 
subjects but we're going to do 

898
00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:35,400
those. 
Other subjects were not going to

899
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:36,400
miss them. 
Out of the year. 

900
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:39,100
We're going to do them more 
afterwards and I was like OK 

901
00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:41,200
that kind of makes sense like 
we're still covering the right 

902
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,600
things which is doing them in a 
different order and and the 

903
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,600
spoken word is English, it's 
still English and its drama its 

904
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,800
social skills. 
I think it's brilliant. 

905
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,100
I think it's a really cool 
thing. 

906
00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:54,500
And again, another step outside 
the comfort zone. 

907
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,400
I'm a big fan of controlled, 
stepping out of a compass that 

908
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,900
comfort zone and As a school, we
can do that to a degree. 

909
00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:04,100
In terms of, you know, it's 
definitely comfort zone. 

910
00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:07,700
Doing the test, maybe feel a bit
anxious stepping over that 

911
00:43:07,700 --> 00:43:09,400
coping with it. 
Getting the right help. 

912
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,300
Get more, I support. 
I think it's the same when it 

913
00:43:11,300 --> 00:43:14,400
comes to drama and won't, we did
a drama and secondary school, 

914
00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:18,700
massively helped my confidence, 
a hugely and I loved it. 

915
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:21,300
And it just, you know, I think 
that's something we can do in 

916
00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:24,500
our job and that is as useful as
teaching them how to add a three

917
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:26,100
digit number and a seven digit 
number. 

918
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:29,300
In my opinion, fair enough, even
if we have this skewed idea of 

919
00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:31,800
value, You, because of the way, 
the thing works, you're 

920
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,400
absolutely right. 
It is just as valuable. 

921
00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:35,300
So, moving onto another 
conversation. 

922
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:37,400
I just, I know we talked about 
this all the time. 

923
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,800
Our listeners might be like, a, 
for God's sake over at this 

924
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,600
point, but it's still relevant. 
Okay, this we've had all the 

925
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,900
strikes, obviously, you know, if
it's like your hair, this is 

926
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,400
93%. 
If you're listening to this way 

927
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,400
in the future, then you might, 
you know, might just be a 

928
00:43:50,408 --> 00:43:51,500
distant memory now about the 
strikes. 

929
00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:53,300
It might still be going on to 
Missouri where the government 

930
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:54,800
has taken this. 
It, we might still be striking 

931
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,000
for the next six years but make 
no one's listening. 

932
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:02,100
Now, never mind. 
But Someone put a post on our 

933
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:04,500
like a Facebook group by over a 
week ago now, and I saved it 

934
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:05,900
because I knew I wanted to talk 
about it. 

935
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,700
I should have read it to you, 
right? 

936
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,900
And I just think it just 
highlights the what we were 

937
00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:11,900
talking about in a previous 
episode. 

938
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:14,300
Here we go. 
This person said I'm 26, I've 

939
00:44:14,308 --> 00:44:17,900
been teaching for 4 years. 
Always wanted to be a teacher. 

940
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,300
My question is has teaching 
always been like this. 

941
00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:25,900
I have zero disposable income. 
I work every hour, God sends, I 

942
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:28,400
get good results, I work all the
time. 

943
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,000
I work hard. 
Yet we can never seem to afford 

944
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,200
a holiday. 
I can't even pay off my student.

945
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,900
Overdraft, I can't even pay off 
the interest of my student loan.

946
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:38,800
I barely have any money left at 
the end of the month at school. 

947
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,000
They have to ration glue sticks 
as we talked about before. 

948
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:45,100
And so, you know, the last 20 
glue sticks until summer, 

949
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:48,000
there's no scissors left and 
they'll put and they said, 

950
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,300
they'll probably just have end 
up paying for our own pocket 

951
00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:53,100
because it's not worth the 
hassle doing a school and they 

952
00:44:53,107 --> 00:44:55,200
finish by saying I grew up under
new labor. 

953
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,900
And I'm not saying my education 
was perfect but I can remember 

954
00:44:58,900 --> 00:45:01,400
it being better than this. 
I can remember not having to 

955
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,300
rush and glue sticks and that 
was the kind of Tyler we grew 

956
00:45:04,300 --> 00:45:07,300
up, you know, we grew up around 
then and yeah, it was that was 

957
00:45:07,300 --> 00:45:09,100
when everything you came in and 
we got smart boards. 

958
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:11,000
We've got computer sweets, we 
suddenly got those massive 

959
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,400
Jungle Gym, things in the in the
playgrounds and in our school 

960
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,500
halls and stuff. 
And we didn't have to ration 

961
00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:18,500
this and that, and it was, you 
know, this person is basically 

962
00:45:18,500 --> 00:45:21,300
saying it was a good time. 
Was it always like this, like, 

963
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,100
what was I under some sort of 
Illusion and and, and they I 

964
00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:27,900
quit because that's just 
ridiculous. 

965
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:29,600
They can't afford. 
So they need to go find another 

966
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:35,500
job because it's not worth it. 
It makes me feel so many 

967
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:41,000
different like emotions 
genuinely, because I don't care 

968
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,000
will get political again because
it is political. 

969
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,200
Right? 
Is political The Squeeze on this

970
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,500
public service that we live in 
that. 

971
00:45:49,500 --> 00:45:54,000
We know because we literally 
work, it has been so devastating

972
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,300
and it makes me so angry that we
don't collectively think as a 

973
00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:01,200
country that our children 
deserve the absolute best, not 

974
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,500
just what we can afford. 
Ish because we can still afford 

975
00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:06,400
other stuff but I'm going to say
it's what we can afford. 

976
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:09,400
Not what we kind of think is 
okay. 

977
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:13,100
No, I children deserve the 
literal best and she's 

978
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:16,000
absolutely right and it's not 
gross tinted glasses. 

979
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,900
It's the fact because I speak to
my parents about their time in 

980
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:21,200
school and older people, and 
they have very negative 

981
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,000
connotations of school, usually,
because they used to get hit 

982
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,600
around the head with a 
chalkboard, not a chalkboard, 

983
00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:31,700
they get hit on the head there 
and then, you know, they would 

984
00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:33,600
say how they just Skydive it. 
Just rubbish. 

985
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,300
That was the teachers, you know,
we're horrible to them, 

986
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:38,600
etcetera. 
My time in school was 

987
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,600
unbelievable and we constantly 
got new stuff and it wasn't like

988
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,400
a coincidence that I have such a
positive memory of school. 

989
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,000
I don't think. 
And I remember it, like, the 

990
00:46:47,008 --> 00:46:49,400
computer sweets coming in. 
Must have cost so much money 

991
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,400
back then and she's right. 
It's not a political thing. 

992
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,500
No one can sit there and say to 
me. 

993
00:46:53,500 --> 00:46:56,300
Oh, you're just a lefty woky 
teacher. 

994
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,200
You sharp. 
Now, it's just true. 

995
00:46:58,300 --> 00:47:00,500
It's just a fact. 
So if you can't deal with the 

996
00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:01,900
fact, you need to get over 
yourself. 

997
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,800
The amount of money. 
Knee in schools right now. 

998
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,300
He Doom. 
Sorry is so much less and the 

999
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:09,900
biggest worry I have. 
I've talked to my friend about 

1000
00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:11,900
this every day, I'm genuinely 
worried. 

1001
00:47:11,900 --> 00:47:15,800
Now that it's been so long of 
cuts Cuts Cuts cuts, it is 

1002
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,000
literally insurmountable like 
the amount of money you'd have 

1003
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,200
to now pour back in just to get 
back to 2010 levels. 

1004
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:26,700
Never mind, 1990s is actually no
longer no longer affordable. 

1005
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:29,500
We are actually no longer 
afford, we have been riding off 

1006
00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:32,500
of the back of all that money, 
we pumped in the 90s for. 

1007
00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:35,100
So, Long. 
Now, there's a reason that 

1008
00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:37,500
there's a whole mean culture 
around house. 

1009
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:41,300
Primary schools, look exactly 
the same as they did 25 years 

1010
00:47:41,300 --> 00:47:42,500
ago. 
Did you know, why? 

1011
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,700
Because they look exactly the 
same. 

1012
00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:48,200
As I did 25 years ago because 
everything we got new then is 

1013
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,100
still the things we use now 
because we can't afford new 

1014
00:47:51,100 --> 00:47:53,600
stuff, you know? 
It's the same. 

1015
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,300
It's the same smart balls that I
got when I was a probably when I

1016
00:47:56,308 --> 00:47:59,400
was 10 that we use on the walls 
now, you know, and then like you

1017
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,200
said, the amount of money, it 
must have cost to go from 

1018
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,600
nothing to that. 
That, you know, in such a short 

1019
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,900
space of Time Versus the last 20
years, where we've barely barely

1020
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:10,100
upgraded these things and said, 
oh, that's not enough money in 

1021
00:48:10,107 --> 00:48:12,000
the budget, we got cut a bit 
more. 

1022
00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:14,200
It's ridiculous with you're 
right. 

1023
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,400
We need so much money now to 
actually go to the next level. 

1024
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,400
You know, if we wanted to 
school, look a bit different, 

1025
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,400
it's the same kind of thing, you
know, with any you saying and 

1026
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,400
the junior doctors saying that 
they're asking for the junior 

1027
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,800
doctors asked for 35% pay, rise,
and the rationale behind it was 

1028
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,700
because that gets them back to 
2010 levels. 

1029
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,000
And it, and someone said, is 
that an unreasonable? 

1030
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:36,000
Ask and the and the guy I 
remember watching he's like, no,

1031
00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:39,100
it's not unreasonable. 
I've just completely reasonable 

1032
00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:41,400
to say. 
Oh can I get paid the same as 

1033
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,100
what I was getting paid. 12 
years ago, please, it is. 

1034
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:46,000
That is that okay? 
Like that's completely 

1035
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,500
reasonable, it may not be 
realistic because of the state 

1036
00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:50,800
this country is in but it's 
completely reasonable. 

1037
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,900
Isn't it to say? 
Oh, can I have the life that my 

1038
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:55,600
parents literally had or is 
actually going to be 

1039
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,400
continuously harder for me? 
Because if a society has a name 

1040
00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:02,700
at all, surely it's to make life
better as time goes on. 

1041
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,600
Not to shoot itself in the foot 
by voting for brexit and then 

1042
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,200
pretending everything's fine 
after. 

1043
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,500
Oh, lots of pictures I had 
today, I've got to say this 

1044
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:13,400
right now. 
God, the David Davis, the guy 

1045
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,800
who used to be used to be the 
brexit secretary for the 

1046
00:49:15,808 --> 00:49:18,500
conservative party, big brexit 
here. 

1047
00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:22,100
Some was basically listing off 
this thing these things to him 

1048
00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:24,900
that's worse because of brexit 
and it's not even you know where

1049
00:49:24,900 --> 00:49:27,300
five years down, those six seven
years down the line. 

1050
00:49:27,300 --> 00:49:30,100
Now from brexit vote and four 
years down the line from 

1051
00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:31,400
actually leaving or whatever it 
is. 

1052
00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:35,400
Like there is actual data now 
but it's not just a projection 

1053
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,900
that life's going to get worse. 
There's actually data now where 

1054
00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:40,800
it is life's got worse and it's 
because of these things that 

1055
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,300
came from brexit. 
So this guy's reading off the 

1056
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:46,700
list, you know the the cues in 
Dover, the limited amount of 

1057
00:49:46,707 --> 00:49:48,500
time you have over in the 
European countries. 

1058
00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:52,600
Now the loss in trade the the 
amount of money we've lost 

1059
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,400
because it's no longer easy. 
Just to trade with our biggest 

1060
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,100
trading partner and his response
made me want to reach through 

1061
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:02,900
the camera and give him a piece 
of my mind because his Ponce was

1062
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,900
back in 2019 when they 2016, 
sorry. 

1063
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,600
George Osborne said that it's 
going to cost each family, 4,000

1064
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,000
pounds brexit and that was the 
scaremongering then and I went 

1065
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,100
back to my house where there 
were Builders working on a 

1066
00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:21,800
building site and one of the 
build is said to me, 4,000 

1067
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,500
pounds The Cost of Freedom 
that's good by me. 

1068
00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:31,600
What? 
Like I said, his response to the

1069
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,200
list of things that's worse 
because of practice, it was. 

1070
00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:36,700
Yeah. 
But people don't mind because 

1071
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:39,800
it's their freedom, this one guy
and I this one guy, I met didn't

1072
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:44,000
mind, so everyone doesn't mind. 
Yeah, it was probably, you know,

1073
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,100
I think he even said by the way 
that he was like, the, the 

1074
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,200
project manager, the guy, who's 
probably on 90k doing this job 

1075
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,800
for four grand, for our freedom,
what are you talking about? 

1076
00:50:55,900 --> 00:50:57,000
You're free. 
Adam. 

1077
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,500
What do what are you on about, 
LOL, less free. 

1078
00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:01,100
Now make you have to work more 
together. 

1079
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:03,600
T around. 
Yeah, what are you talking 

1080
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,300
about? 
Honestly, yeah, I just it 

1081
00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:09,800
Beggars belief. 
It really does well relating 

1082
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,400
back to that post that I read 
you two things. 

1083
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:13,700
Really? 
I want to come back to student 

1084
00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:14,700
debt. 
Maybe I'll talk about that 

1085
00:51:14,707 --> 00:51:18,800
another time, but someone in my 
family recently got into 

1086
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,800
teaching and she's like, she's 
really, really intelligent 

1087
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,500
woman, and she bawled, she knows
she's not born yet. 

1088
00:51:26,700 --> 00:51:29,100
My family's both actually, okay,
Fun, Factory one. 

1089
00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:30,800
You might have thought that I 
understand why people have 

1090
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,300
assumed that. 
But yeah, she's not because and 

1091
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,800
94%. 
So she recently got into 

1092
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,100
teaching she qualified last year
and secondaries teaching 

1093
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:43,700
science. 
So I call a very important 

1094
00:51:43,700 --> 00:51:44,900
subject. 
Science is something that people

1095
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:48,100
are screaming out for as well. 
I saw some again, just a slight 

1096
00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:50,400
side point here, some of the 
other day was talking about how 

1097
00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:54,100
their science department has not
been fully staffed for like 

1098
00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:56,300
eight years or something. 
Like as they just cannot get the

1099
00:51:56,300 --> 00:51:59,100
staff. 
Half the specialists in to do is

1100
00:51:59,100 --> 00:52:02,700
to teach science properly. 
Why would you why exactly? 

1101
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,100
And this one about to say, 
proves exactly that because she 

1102
00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:08,400
did one year one year teaching 
and then on reflection went. 

1103
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,400
Wow, this workload is 
ridiculous. 

1104
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,100
The pay doesn't remotely reflect
it. 

1105
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:17,500
The media just despises us and 
doesn't remotely show us in the 

1106
00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:19,000
right light. 
So, see you later. 

1107
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,500
I'm gonna go be a chartered 
accountant. 

1108
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,400
Exactly what I said before. 
Skilled professionals the people

1109
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,400
we need because we want to Give 
our children, the best 

1110
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,700
education. 
Don't want to do this job 

1111
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,100
because they can get paid more 
doing other things government. 

1112
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,500
That's why we need more money. 
It's not so that I can line my 

1113
00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:40,300
pockets. 
It's to extract better people to

1114
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:42,400
this profession to teach the 
future carried. 

1115
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,700
You can line your pockets and 
take a lot of pockets that is 

1116
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:45,900
part of it. 
Okay. 

1117
00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:50,700
But there's so much more to it. 
I hate I hate the state of what 

1118
00:52:50,700 --> 00:52:53,400
we're in. 
I i summarize why I strike. 

1119
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,200
I remember this in last episode,
but it's my new go-to now 

1120
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,400
because I've kind of I've kind 
of tried to narrow down. 

1121
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,300
Why I'm striking many when asked
me, and I'm striking to keep 

1122
00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:06,700
this job. 
You know, you gotta remember the

1123
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:10,500
way you said it. 
You forgot it to keep the job in

1124
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:14,100
the in the because the Builder, 
I spoke to said the 4,000 pounds

1125
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:21,400
is worth. 
The freedom is something by 

1126
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,500
saying how I've really narrowed 
it down to something. 

1127
00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:32,300
So say that I remember what you 
said to make this job, something

1128
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:35,000
that you still want to do 
basically like, Yeah, so that's 

1129
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,800
it. 
I've fought the word now that 

1130
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:41,000
I'm striking because I want to 
keep this job desirable for me 

1131
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,500
to do. 
I'm not, I'm not striking 

1132
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,100
because I just am greedy and I'm
at all. 

1133
00:53:46,100 --> 00:53:48,200
I have a couple hundred quid. 
Although it would be nice. 

1134
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:51,900
Another couple hundred quid are 
give her Pockets because I'm 

1135
00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:54,000
striking, because I want to want
to do this job. 

1136
00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:57,100
That's why I said, I'm striking 
because I want to want to do 

1137
00:53:57,100 --> 00:54:02,300
this job and very soon, very 
soon that want to do the job 

1138
00:54:02,300 --> 00:54:05,200
will be lower than the rear. 
Mystic like what you said with, 

1139
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,900
your family member, the 
realistic liar of a job doing 

1140
00:54:08,900 --> 00:54:09,900
something else. 
Exactly. 

1141
00:54:09,900 --> 00:54:12,600
Therefore less stress and more 
money will very soon. 

1142
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,500
Be overtaking it, if not 
already, and I'm just kind of 

1143
00:54:14,500 --> 00:54:16,500
ignoring it. 
Yeah, I fully agree that there 

1144
00:54:16,500 --> 00:54:18,000
is a point. 
I know what my skill set is. 

1145
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,100
And so do you because we're 
eight years into this career, I 

1146
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:22,800
know that my skill set is. 
I know I'm capable of there is 

1147
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,800
going to be a point eventually 
where if this pay keep 

1148
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,400
stagnating, I will be stupid not
to go and take the job. 

1149
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,500
That pays double that requires 
my skill set. 

1150
00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:31,800
Yeah, you know, that's that. 
That's business. 

1151
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:33,600
That's business baby, that's how
it works. 

1152
00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:36,500
But it is true, isn't it? 
It's a pit of people always say 

1153
00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:39,100
and this is true because it's 
why we're still here right now. 

1154
00:54:39,700 --> 00:54:41,000
Teachers Do It For the Love of 
the year. 

1155
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,100
We do it because we love the 
job, and that is true. 

1156
00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:45,900
But there is a line. 
There is a point in which people

1157
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:49,800
won't do that anymore, because 
it's so silly to do it based on 

1158
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,000
the workload in the pay that 
they're they're obviously, 

1159
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,800
they'll just go do something 
else and be like, oh, it would 

1160
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,000
have been nice to be a teacher, 
but I'm not stupid. 

1161
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,600
And I do want to pay for my 
house that I live in. 

1162
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,000
So I went and did this. 
I'm going to became a chartered.

1163
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,800
Yeah, it's like there's certain 
percentage. 

1164
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,400
I'm not going to put a number on
it right now but you know, if 

1165
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,200
someone offered me a 10%, pay 
rise to go and do a job in an 

1166
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,200
office somewhere that I thought 
might be more boring. 

1167
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,500
I absolutely wouldn't take it. 
I'd be like now that's that's 

1168
00:55:14,500 --> 00:55:16,500
not the threshold, right? 
There's just not. 

1169
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,900
I do love this job. 
I don't want to go into a new 

1170
00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:24,500
career path. 12 million pounds, 
I'll be there when I, but my 

1171
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:27,800
point is, you do when you are, 
someone are, would you are, but 

1172
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,700
you drink a cup of off Milk, 450
Equivalent know and you're like,

1173
00:55:31,700 --> 00:55:34,900
well, okay, we did it for 1,000 
pounds, but yeah, obviously 900.

1174
00:55:34,900 --> 00:55:36,200
Yeah, you find that, they don't 
read. 

1175
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,600
Find the line. 
Jellify, the limit, I'm 

1176
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,200
wondering what while it would be
in the job. 

1177
00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:44,200
I think, you know, it wouldn't 
be that much though. 

1178
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,100
It would just be enough to be 
like, oh well, that's just, 

1179
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,800
that's, that's going to make a 
significant change to my life 

1180
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,600
and my pay the government treat 
us. 

1181
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,600
Absolutely terribly. 
And don't want to listen to us. 

1182
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,000
I'll give us anything that's 
remotely useful. 

1183
00:55:57,100 --> 00:56:00,000
So at what point do you say, 
okay, I love this. 

1184
00:56:00,100 --> 00:56:02,400
Stop packing. 
You know what I can point it as 

1185
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:03,700
well. 
It's a shame that, you know, 

1186
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,200
opposites there's so many of us 
that on an individual level. 

1187
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:07,900
It feels like it doesn't really 
make an impact, but I'd love to 

1188
00:56:07,908 --> 00:56:11,200
be like cool by the way, really 
skilled at this job, because I 

1189
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,800
do it for eight years, I'm 
leaving, and you're going to get

1190
00:56:13,808 --> 00:56:15,200
someone else in. 
They might be as good as me. 

1191
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,200
They might not be good luck with
a gamble, I'm gonna go do 

1192
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,300
something else. 
Like I always put your but that 

1193
00:56:19,300 --> 00:56:21,100
they don't care because they 
will just, you know, get someone

1194
00:56:21,100 --> 00:56:22,600
else. 
But you do, I don't care. 

1195
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,500
Because I'm getting now. 
And again, I'll guys I don't 

1196
00:56:25,500 --> 00:56:27,800
think, well, I'm saying this. 
I'm not detrimental to eat it. 

1197
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,900
EC T's at all. 
We absolutely. 

1198
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,100
Lee Thrive off, these amazing 
young people who come into our 

1199
00:56:33,100 --> 00:56:36,700
profession but they are you just
need the balance of them and if 

1200
00:56:36,700 --> 00:56:40,400
we are constantly swapping 
extremely experienced Primary 

1201
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:45,800
School staff for ects constantly
rate which is outstripping, then

1202
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,800
our profession becomes more 
inexperienced, there's not 

1203
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,300
enough people for you guys to 
learn off. 

1204
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,000
There's not enough people for 
you to inspire us again because 

1205
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,100
that keeps us fresh when. 
When when new teachers come in, 

1206
00:56:55,100 --> 00:56:57,500
I love it. 
I love talking to them because 

1207
00:56:57,500 --> 00:56:59,500
they have these ideas that I had
five years ago. 

1208
00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:01,300
That's slow. 
Olli of just eroded because I'm 

1209
00:57:01,300 --> 00:57:04,700
more concentrate on the job now 
and it's just like a breath of 

1210
00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:07,900
fresh air, but you need that 
kind of synergy you need that 

1211
00:57:07,900 --> 00:57:10,200
right balance. 
And the more that we take away 

1212
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,300
those experienced teachers it's 
just going to have a detrimental

1213
00:57:13,300 --> 00:57:17,900
effect in a profession. 
Okay. 

1214
00:57:17,900 --> 00:57:21,200
So I've got story was a message 
in a couple of weeks ago but 

1215
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,600
obviously where I need to get a 
chance to say now so Hayden. 

1216
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,800
It's just a story from the 
classroom, one of the classic 

1217
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,000
ones, we love it because as well
this person's wrote it in a way 

1218
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,200
where I can just read off the 
phone because that's always good

1219
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,500
here. 
Is guys, there is got my little 

1220
00:57:34,500 --> 00:57:37,500
story in a single unified. 
You're going to sing the jingle 

1221
00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:40,000
to throw some Carson. 
Now that we've got video audio, 

1222
00:57:40,300 --> 00:57:41,300
okay? 
He's ready. 

1223
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,900
Here we go. 
Yeah, stories from the 

1224
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,200
Classroom. 
If you've got a story for us and

1225
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:54,400
it's really funny tell us the 
story and we will give you money

1226
00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:58,500
money, not guaranteed. 
The fact that you did just make 

1227
00:57:58,500 --> 00:58:01,800
that up is quite impressive nice
and long again, fits with our 

1228
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,800
podcast. 
I'm not finished. 

1229
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:07,700
That was a dramatic interlude, 
right? 

1230
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,100
God, I've buzzing for a story. 
Have another story ages. 

1231
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,000
Okay, this is a good one, this 
is good. 

1232
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,500
So okay, let me set the scene, 
so I'm the teacher now. 

1233
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:18,100
Okay? 
Okay, right right, this isn't my

1234
00:58:18,100 --> 00:58:19,900
thory. 
Obviously, this is someone that 

1235
00:58:19,900 --> 00:58:21,600
I'm pretending to be. 
Here we go. 

1236
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,600
Let me set the scene re day. 
We do a full day focused around 

1237
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,900
one element of Let just 
education for us. 

1238
00:58:28,900 --> 00:58:31,700
We're learning about Islam to be
specific. 

1239
00:58:31,700 --> 00:58:33,800
We're actually learning about 
the prophet Muhammad and his 

1240
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:38,000
important to the Islamic faith. 
A sensitive subject. 

1241
00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:43,400
Something you need to approach 
with maturity and respect one 

1242
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,700
boy in my class, lovely. 
As he is likes to think he's a 

1243
00:58:46,707 --> 00:58:50,400
bit of a Class Clown at times 
and he likes to play up to an 

1244
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,300
audience. 
He'd spent most of the morning 

1245
00:58:53,300 --> 00:58:56,000
trying to call out little quips 
and make jokes here and there 

1246
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,100
that he thought to be hilarious 
such as in response to my 

1247
00:58:59,100 --> 00:59:00,700
question. 
Okay, what do we know about 

1248
00:59:00,700 --> 00:59:02,400
Muhammad? 
He'd reply? 

1249
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,100
O Muhammad Salazar? 
Well, good footballer, classic 

1250
00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:09,200
response. 
Trying to be funny anyway after 

1251
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,600
a while of trying to humor his 
attempts of being funny, it was 

1252
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,800
beginning to get irritating, we 
know that feeling right when 

1253
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,800
someone just won't let it go, 
you kind of give them an inch 

1254
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,800
and they take a mile and you're 
like oh I shouldn't have done 

1255
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,700
that in the first place. 
So after its attempts, trying to

1256
00:59:22,700 --> 00:59:25,300
be funny trying to humor him, it
was beginning to get irritating 

1257
00:59:25,300 --> 00:59:28,000
and it was more importantly, 
detracting from the learning now

1258
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,300
so it's distracting other 
children. 

1259
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,900
So he'd explained. 
Sorry. 

1260
00:59:32,900 --> 00:59:36,500
It, her patients was waning, I'd
explained the role of a prophet.

1261
00:59:36,700 --> 00:59:38,300
Was to spread the message of 
God. 

1262
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,600
Up goes the boy's hand again 
after me telling him to stop. 

1263
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,200
What he's up to. 
So tentatively I asked him what 

1264
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,100
he wanted to say and his reply 
was so Muhammad's a bit like 

1265
00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:53,400
Hermes then at this point I was 
done. 

1266
00:59:53,500 --> 00:59:56,400
I held in my desire to shout out
it's not even Hermes. 

1267
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,100
Now the delivery service it's 
called every and I told him to 

1268
00:59:59,100 --> 01:00:01,000
stop trying to be funny and 
focus on what we're learning 

1269
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,400
about sheepishly. 
He stopped talking and looked at

1270
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,400
me like I done something wrong. 
Our girl, the angel child put 

1271
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,600
her hand up so the profit is a 
little bit like the Greek God 

1272
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,900
Hermes. 
This point I realized that my 

1273
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:20,200
class Cloud, that's that my 
class clown had been making the 

1274
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,400
most meaningful Learning Link to
their prior learning of the 

1275
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,100
Greek gods. 
Thank you wanted made all day 

1276
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,500
and that ever done before, and I
absolutely register in front of 

1277
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:33,300
the whole class for it public. 
That's a classic thing. 

1278
01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:36,500
Jumping the gun. 
They just had a whole, you know,

1279
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,300
God said he was making this 
unbelievable. 

1280
01:00:38,300 --> 01:00:40,100
Cross-curricular link. 
Stop it. 

1281
01:00:40,300 --> 01:00:42,800
Stop that howdy. 
It's not even called that's 

1282
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,700
called every now. 
Luckily the teacher didn't say 

1283
01:00:46,700 --> 01:00:48,900
that they just they managed to 
hold that energy Spike. 

1284
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:51,600
Stop, stop doing that. 
But it's absolutely crap me out 

1285
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,600
there and it made me think of so
many times before in the 

1286
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,800
classroom I've done it before 
like to the extremes as well. 

1287
01:00:58,100 --> 01:01:00,400
Where a child will say put the 
hand up and said, how can I go 

1288
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:01,700
to the toilet? 
I'm like, yeah, sure. 

1289
01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:02,800
A middle of doing something. 
Yeah, sure. 

1290
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,400
They stand up. 
Walk across the classroom and I 

1291
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:12,000
go, why don't you see? 
And they just got you just said,

1292
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,600
I could go to the toilet and 
I've said it before. 

1293
01:01:13,700 --> 01:01:17,200
Did I they say yes? 
I'm like, okay, so the point 

1294
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,100
now, where someone could just 
say to me, I'd be like, wait to 

1295
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:21,400
see. 
They could literally just say to

1296
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:22,100
me. 
Oh, you just told me. 

1297
01:01:22,107 --> 01:01:23,300
I'll go to the toilet and I 
believe them. 

1298
01:01:23,700 --> 01:01:26,000
Okay. 
Yeah, a few weeks ago, I had a 

1299
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:31,000
very similar situation, right? 
I've boy in my class, who is who

1300
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,400
can sometimes get himself in 
trouble but he's nice enough 

1301
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,100
boy, he wanted to show his work.
To the Head teacher, he doesn't 

1302
01:01:38,100 --> 01:01:38,800
make it work. 
I was like. 

1303
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,500
Yeah, awesome. 
But I was kind of in the middle 

1304
01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:42,000
of doing something. 
When he asked I think I was like

1305
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:43,200
getting the register ready or 
something. 

1306
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,400
So I can I go and she can, I go 
show this to head? 

1307
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,000
Teacher was like, yeah, 
brilliant course. 

1308
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:47,700
Yeah, go on off. 
You go. 

1309
01:01:47,700 --> 01:01:48,900
Yep. 
Carried on doing the things I 

1310
01:01:48,908 --> 01:01:53,400
was doing and then he came back 
into class like a 55 minutes 

1311
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:57,400
later and I instantly went. 
Oh, why are you coming back in 

1312
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,600
late thinking that he'd like 
interesting out during lunchtime

1313
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,600
or something and he'd been 
naughty and he's hope, you know 

1314
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,500
that he's coming back into class
because the head teacher sent it

1315
01:02:04,500 --> 01:02:08,200
back as I want. 
I was putting on my Stern faces 

1316
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:09,700
to be like, you know, really 
disappointed that, but, you 

1317
01:02:09,707 --> 01:02:11,400
know, I've been bad behavior 
choice. 

1318
01:02:11,700 --> 01:02:13,200
And he really sheepish. 
He's went. 

1319
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,800
I was just asking, I was just 
using my work and I was like, 

1320
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,300
oh, of course I did. 
I'm so sorry. 

1321
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,600
I'm so sorry. 
Importantly, I literally just 

1322
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,000
apologized. 
I'm really sorry. 

1323
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,200
I don't know why I jumped at you
like that, and that's the other 

1324
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:29,700
thing I thought about. 
When I read that story, I was 

1325
01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:32,300
like, I think that's so 
important to the children and it

1326
01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:34,600
jokes aside about. 
I made that mistake on purpose. 

1327
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,200
I think when you do something 
like that, Because that is a 

1328
01:02:37,207 --> 01:02:38,400
position of power there, isn't 
it? 

1329
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,400
And you've got the power and you
can, you know, tell someone off,

1330
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,800
because you're in charge. 
I think when you do that 

1331
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,500
incorrectly and wrongly, I think
it's so powerful. 

1332
01:02:47,500 --> 01:02:50,000
Just to say, to the children, 
oh, I'm really sorry. 

1333
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,800
That was my, I was wrong. 
Yeah, you've done nothing wrong.

1334
01:02:52,900 --> 01:02:55,400
I'm sorry rather than brush it 
off because I think as soon as 

1335
01:02:55,408 --> 01:02:57,900
you brush it off you kind of 
lose that respect then yeah 

1336
01:02:57,900 --> 01:03:00,500
church is later on down the 
line. 

1337
01:03:00,500 --> 01:03:04,100
So when you when you have to 
actually tell them it's going to

1338
01:03:04,107 --> 01:03:06,400
hold more weight when you say no
no no you do. 

1339
01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:08,400
You have to stop doing that 
because of this and that 

1340
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,200
children, like you said you 
mentioned it earlier but they're

1341
01:03:10,207 --> 01:03:13,000
more mature than you think they 
cleverer than you think they are

1342
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:14,400
at the age. 
They are they might seem like 

1343
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,700
small and cute and silly 
sometimes what they say. 

1344
01:03:16,700 --> 01:03:21,000
But with those sorts of things 
they're not silly, they do know 

1345
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,600
when you're clearly just liking 
it and you actually just wrong 

1346
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:24,500
and you're embarrassed, you 
don't? 

1347
01:03:24,500 --> 01:03:26,200
You just want to get it. 
So I agree. 

1348
01:03:26,500 --> 01:03:28,000
Always add up to your mistakes 
honest. 

1349
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,400
Unless you are having a literal 
that exact a joke that we 

1350
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,500
mentioned, where you pretend 
that you're making a mistake, 

1351
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,200
it's a massive mistake. 
On the board is different is 

1352
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,400
that you having a laugh? 
But we've All mistakes that you 

1353
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,100
make, yeah. 
Okay. 

1354
01:03:39,100 --> 01:03:40,900
You might be a bit embarrassed 
because you just made a mistake 

1355
01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:44,100
in front of 30 kids, say, sorry,
and own up to it because even if

1356
01:03:44,100 --> 01:03:46,900
they go that I promise you, they
won't do it for many times. 

1357
01:03:47,300 --> 01:03:48,900
They might find it funny. 
The first time we teach men 

1358
01:03:48,900 --> 01:03:52,300
mistake once or twice though, 
but again there anymore, who 

1359
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,300
cares? 
If you're a bit embarrassed that

1360
01:03:55,300 --> 01:03:57,600
that's a feeling people feel. 
Sometimes they would feel 

1361
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,100
embarrassed because you wrongly 
told them that they did 

1362
01:04:00,100 --> 01:04:02,300
something, they didn't exactly 
just just own up to it. 

1363
01:04:02,300 --> 01:04:06,200
I'd something today, very 
similar where, you know, I had 

1364
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:10,300
to Remind someone of the right 
behavior in class A few times in

1365
01:04:10,300 --> 01:04:12,700
a row, someone that doesn't 
normally need reminding. 

1366
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:17,100
And they, when I when I then 
said, okay, look, you've done 

1367
01:04:17,100 --> 01:04:20,600
this this, this repeatedly and 
you're really letting me down 

1368
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,000
here and add a little bit of 
spiel about how, you know, I 

1369
01:04:23,008 --> 01:04:25,900
don't expect that from from 
anyone, especially I must say, 

1370
01:04:25,900 --> 01:04:27,700
I've never expected from you, 
something like that, you know, 

1371
01:04:27,707 --> 01:04:30,100
that kind of just saying, this 
is unacceptable though. 

1372
01:04:30,100 --> 01:04:32,600
And I've never had to use this 
kind of tone with you before, 

1373
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:36,400
but that needs to stop. 
Yeah, and I loved it. 

1374
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,900
Because immediately this child 
said, I'm really sorry and they 

1375
01:04:39,900 --> 01:04:42,700
really meant it. 
And I was like that that right 

1376
01:04:42,700 --> 01:04:45,500
there that moment of them 
saying, sorry is the exact 

1377
01:04:45,500 --> 01:04:47,400
reason why? 
As as teachers we need to be 

1378
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,300
apologetic and say, sorry, 
because that was really nice 

1379
01:04:50,300 --> 01:04:52,000
because, you know, what children
do their children. 

1380
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,000
They're a bit, you know, upset 
about something. 

1381
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,600
I don't like being told off and 
they won't say, sorry. 

1382
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:58,500
They'll just kind of go into 
their own little introspective 

1383
01:04:58,500 --> 01:05:01,400
cave and be like or say, oh, it 
wasn't me do the opposite and 

1384
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,700
just kind of reflect anything. 
But that moment of this child 

1385
01:05:04,700 --> 01:05:06,100
saying, oh, I'm sorry, I'm 
sorry. 

1386
01:05:06,100 --> 01:05:07,800
Mister Price. 
I was like, cool. 

1387
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,800
It's over. 
Now it immediately over. 

1388
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:11,600
I feel much better. 
Thank you so much. 

1389
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,400
You still might have to do this 
for me, my have to do that 

1390
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,600
because you did cross the line 
too much, but I made a huge 

1391
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,000
point of big and I said, thank 
you. 

1392
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,800
I really appreciate that and I 
thought that was really a model 

1393
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:23,300
of it. 
Saying, sorry isn't just the 

1394
01:05:23,308 --> 01:05:25,700
thing is actually, thank you, 
but you knew worse. 

1395
01:05:25,700 --> 01:05:27,900
Yeah, I know, we're going to end
of our podcast. 

1396
01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:29,900
I've got one sort of 
heartwarming but just a nice 

1397
01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:31,400
thing that happened actually 
this week that I have just 

1398
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:32,800
thought of based on your story 
there. 

1399
01:05:33,100 --> 01:05:34,600
I'm going to share with you. 
But before I do that, if you 

1400
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,500
want to write in your story, 
These, we've got something funny

1401
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:39,900
to share, even if you think, oh,
maybe it's not funny, right? 

1402
01:05:39,900 --> 01:05:40,700
It in any way. 
Okay. 

1403
01:05:40,700 --> 01:05:42,100
If we think it's rubbish, we 
won't read it. 

1404
01:05:42,100 --> 01:05:44,600
All right, so don't worry about 
it, I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm 

1405
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:48,700
joking we won't but you can 
write into us at our dinner, I'm

1406
01:05:48,700 --> 01:05:51,100
gonna get it wrong again. 
You've heard some if you've 

1407
01:05:51,100 --> 01:05:52,200
heard some of the stories we've 
read. 

1408
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:56,500
Yeah, there's a pretty low bar, 
right dinner? 

1409
01:05:56,500 --> 01:05:58,000
Correct me if I'm wrong, is I'm 
terrible. 

1410
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,800
Because you know why did I just 
say that? 

1411
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:04,000
I know. 
I'm never going to learn so our 

1412
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,400
Instagram. 
Not that. 

1413
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,600
No, it's teach sleep. 
Repeat pod. 

1414
01:06:09,500 --> 01:06:14,000
No past, just do it. 
Ellen just do it right. 

1415
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,900
Instagram. 
Teach, sleep, repeat podcast. 

1416
01:06:16,300 --> 01:06:18,100
Email. 
Is that repeat part at, 

1417
01:06:18,100 --> 01:06:19,700
gmail.com? 
What you've got to remember? 

1418
01:06:19,700 --> 01:06:22,500
Hayden, yeah. 
Is I made it longer when it was 

1419
01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:24,200
shorter when it didn't have the 
end rhyme. 

1420
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:25,100
That's what I was trying to 
think. 

1421
01:06:25,100 --> 01:06:26,200
And I couldn't remember what you
said. 

1422
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,700
So the bulk of it is longer when
there's no Gmail at the end. 

1423
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,100
Okay, so Hayden, what it? 
Tell the viewers and listeners, 

1424
01:06:34,100 --> 01:06:35,900
and the creeps and where We're 
going to call you. 

1425
01:06:35,900 --> 01:06:37,500
It's quite grown name. 
I'm staring at you. 

1426
01:06:37,500 --> 01:06:41,200
Now, if I swear, I swear if 
you're watching this right now 

1427
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,900
and you see me staring into your
soul, I can't believe you just 

1428
01:06:43,900 --> 01:06:45,900
sit for an hour and watch this 
video of us just sitting here. 

1429
01:06:46,100 --> 01:06:48,200
I appreciate you. 
But I don't know what you think.

1430
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:49,800
You could tell your friends and 
come watch it. 

1431
01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:53,600
You could tell them I wouldn't 
yeah after I wouldn't but you 

1432
01:06:53,607 --> 01:06:56,400
could because we do want more 
people to watch and listen. 

1433
01:06:56,900 --> 01:06:58,700
So, that would be nice. 
I'm not gonna embarrass 

1434
01:06:58,700 --> 01:07:00,400
yourself. 
Didn't you said, what the, the 

1435
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:01,900
handles are? 
And I'm not gonna do it, I'll do

1436
01:07:01,900 --> 01:07:03,500
it. 
I'll practice for next week, but

1437
01:07:03,500 --> 01:07:05,000
I'm going to finish up with a 
little story, okay. 

1438
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:06,800
It's just really it's basically 
continuing from the 

1439
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:08,000
conversation. 
We just had so sorry for 

1440
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:12,800
completely ruining the flow. 
I had today, I spoke to somebody

1441
01:07:12,900 --> 01:07:16,600
that I teach and I had a really 
nice conversation based on a 

1442
01:07:16,607 --> 01:07:19,500
reflection of a conversation. 
We'd had three four months ago, 

1443
01:07:19,500 --> 01:07:21,400
right? 
And this is a child who 

1444
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,700
continuously continuously gets 
himself in trouble. 

1445
01:07:25,300 --> 01:07:27,700
I particularly like this child 
and I think they're a lovely 

1446
01:07:27,700 --> 01:07:30,600
lovely young person, but they 
always seem to get themselves in

1447
01:07:30,607 --> 01:07:33,300
trouble like wrong place, wrong 
time and also just doing silly 

1448
01:07:33,300 --> 01:07:35,500
things all this, we all know the
type that Tweet. 

1449
01:07:35,500 --> 01:07:38,200
And, and as your 6, I found that
I could have with particular 

1450
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,300
children, if I sort of identify 
their maturity, as a being quite

1451
01:07:41,300 --> 01:07:44,100
mature, I will have this 
conversation with them, right? 

1452
01:07:44,100 --> 01:07:46,400
If I won't do it with younger 
because I don't think it's 

1453
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,000
beneficial yet. 
And basically, I sat down with 

1454
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,600
him and he'd been like, sent 
out, or something like that. 

1455
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,300
And I happened to be walking for
our side past. 

1456
01:07:53,300 --> 01:07:55,000
I said, why are you know what's 
going on? 

1457
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,300
You've been set out again and he
had a bit of a bit of a tear 

1458
01:07:58,300 --> 01:08:01,500
and, you know, we had it with a 
chat and I just explained to 

1459
01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:04,800
him, that reputation is 
important. 

1460
01:08:05,500 --> 01:08:07,800
I need because we have this 
thing of like do, yeah, everyone

1461
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,000
is be treated the same on this 
be treated the same, but I just 

1462
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,900
broke it to the him in the, in 
the real world. 

1463
01:08:11,900 --> 01:08:15,500
By the way, everyone just has a 
reputation and whether you like 

1464
01:08:15,500 --> 01:08:17,800
it or not, you'll be treated 
differently differently based on

1465
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,000
our reputation. 
Not necessarily on purpose, 

1466
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,600
that's when it gets into problem
area. 

1467
01:08:21,700 --> 01:08:23,800
But subliminally, people will 
treat you differently. 

1468
01:08:24,300 --> 01:08:27,399
And I said, do you think maybe 
the reason that you know, you've

1469
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:31,500
been caught or whatever doing or
sent out so quickly recently of 

1470
01:08:31,500 --> 01:08:32,899
these lessons? 
Because he was really frustrated

1471
01:08:32,899 --> 01:08:34,899
that other people have done what
he did, but he will send out. 

1472
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:36,500
Out. 
I said, yeah, because your 

1473
01:08:36,500 --> 01:08:37,899
reputation is not good at the 
moment. 

1474
01:08:38,300 --> 01:08:40,800
People have got shorter fuses 
with you and they don't mean to 

1475
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,800
do it, but people have got short
of users with you because of 

1476
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,700
your reputation recently where 
you have been doing silly 

1477
01:08:45,700 --> 01:08:46,700
things. 
You've been making silly 

1478
01:08:46,700 --> 01:08:50,000
decisions at any possible 
opportunity, and I had this 

1479
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,000
conversation with him and he did
really understand. 

1480
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,600
He was like, yeah, okay. 
That makes sense. 

1481
01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:56,300
They're not just picking on me 
because that's what people think

1482
01:08:56,300 --> 01:08:58,899
all that teachers picking on me.
No, they're not, they didn't 

1483
01:08:58,899 --> 01:09:01,600
even think about it. 
It's just, that your reputation 

1484
01:09:01,700 --> 01:09:03,899
has led them to believe that 
you've done something silly 

1485
01:09:03,899 --> 01:09:04,899
quicker, maybe that they would 
do. 

1486
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:06,700
The child that never gets in 
trouble. 

1487
01:09:07,100 --> 01:09:09,300
Never gets in trouble, they've 
got more leeway because they've 

1488
01:09:09,300 --> 01:09:14,200
got a good reputation and since 
then this particular child has 

1489
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,200
really thought about it and came
up to me today and said, mrs. 

1490
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,899
Stephens have you noticed I was 
like what? 

1491
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:23,100
I've been in a lot less trouble 
recently as I do. 

1492
01:09:23,100 --> 01:09:25,300
That's really good. 
He was like my reputations 

1493
01:09:25,300 --> 01:09:31,100
getting better, isn't it? 
It is it is getting better. 

1494
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,600
Well done. 
You like people people and I 

1495
01:09:33,608 --> 01:09:34,899
said and you get a fresh start 
you know? 

1496
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,700
When you go to your next school,
you're gonna get a fresh start, 

1497
01:09:38,300 --> 01:09:40,000
and your, you know, your 
reputation is whatever you 

1498
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,399
choose to 4G. 
I said, but so I'm so proud of 

1499
01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:45,500
you for right now, trying to 
better your reputation. 

1500
01:09:45,500 --> 01:09:48,899
So that people don't treat you 
in a different way automatically

1501
01:09:48,899 --> 01:09:51,800
based on their experiences if 
you in the past and I was really

1502
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:53,200
really proud of him. 
And I was so impressed. 

1503
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,300
That you know I thought that was
part of it at the time frame the

1504
01:09:56,300 --> 01:09:58,200
conversation is like it did. 
None of this is going and he's 

1505
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,700
just thinking he's just annoyed 
that you got sent out but 

1506
01:10:00,700 --> 01:10:03,200
really, really listen to it. 
And that just made my day and 

1507
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:04,900
that's what those and again we 
talk about those reasons. 

1508
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,900
I love this job and why I 
wouldn't go into an office job 

1509
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,100
for, you know, ten percent more 
money. 

1510
01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:12,700
It's those little, those little 
moments like that. 

1511
01:10:12,700 --> 01:10:15,100
I try telling Steve from 
accounts, those reputations bad,

1512
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:17,500
you won't change it. 
Exactly. 

1513
01:10:17,500 --> 01:10:19,100
When you get out, you're 
arrogant by then stubborn. 

1514
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:23,100
This kid I listened and I loved 
that moment and I hope it wasn't

1515
01:10:23,100 --> 01:10:24,700
pretty. 
Sorry no. 

1516
01:10:24,700 --> 01:10:26,600
Did it really did actually that 
was really nice. 

1517
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,600
In fact, if I was standing 
assembly, now I'd be crying, but

1518
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:33,500
I'm not, but now that's that's 
lovely and and it is I'm just 

1519
01:10:33,500 --> 01:10:37,300
going to kind of one thing. 
With that, it is so true and 

1520
01:10:37,300 --> 01:10:40,100
it's nice to teach them that 
kind of personal accountability.

1521
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:44,300
A sometimes we could fall into 
the Trap of pointing at everyone

1522
01:10:44,300 --> 01:10:48,200
else, and being like, you're 
doing this wrong to me, which as

1523
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,100
you said is really important, 
because sometimes it is way past

1524
01:10:51,100 --> 01:10:53,900
the line discrimination, all 
that kind of stuff, it's 

1525
01:10:53,900 --> 01:10:56,500
completely wrong than them. 
And there's no victim blaming at

1526
01:10:56,500 --> 01:10:59,200
all there, but if someone has a 
pattern of getting themselves 

1527
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,100
into trouble because of choices,
they're making such a powerful 

1528
01:11:02,100 --> 01:11:04,500
thing, you've opened up for him.
There is to think he has 

1529
01:11:04,500 --> 01:11:06,700
control. 
Over that and he seen the 

1530
01:11:06,700 --> 01:11:09,000
benefits. 
And, you know, that's the kind 

1531
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,700
of thing in 5, 10, 15 years, he 
might still remember. 

1532
01:11:13,100 --> 01:11:16,400
And like you said, you're going 
to maybe remember that story and

1533
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,700
that's why this job is amazing. 
And if you notice, I will say 

1534
01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:22,900
that I'm really careful of and I
talked about this sort of thing 

1535
01:11:22,900 --> 01:11:25,800
because if you're not are the 
right, sort of maturity, I can 

1536
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:27,200
understand why. 
Child might just go ahead and 

1537
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,500
say let's teach us, I've got a 
bad reputation and they're 

1538
01:11:29,500 --> 01:11:32,100
picking on me for it because he 
has to be have to be really 

1539
01:11:32,100 --> 01:11:33,300
careful because that's not what 
it is. 

1540
01:11:33,300 --> 01:11:35,300
Like you said that, you know, 
There is it? 

1541
01:11:35,300 --> 01:11:37,900
There is a fine line between 
having a bad reputation and 

1542
01:11:37,900 --> 01:11:40,500
actually people just being 
discriminatory towards you for 

1543
01:11:40,500 --> 01:11:43,600
whatever reason, so you don't 
want to teach a child that if 

1544
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,700
you're being discriminated 
against, it's okay, it's your 

1545
01:11:45,700 --> 01:11:47,700
fault. 
Like that's a really, really, 

1546
01:11:47,700 --> 01:11:49,900
really bad thing to teach be. 
So true cannot do that. 

1547
01:11:49,900 --> 01:11:52,300
But the idea of reputation, I 
think he was old enough to 

1548
01:11:52,300 --> 01:11:55,200
understand it and it all stems 
from my experience at school. 

1549
01:11:55,300 --> 01:11:57,300
I did the same thing. 
I did the thing I was at 

1550
01:11:57,500 --> 01:12:00,200
secondary school and I'd always 
come home. 

1551
01:12:00,300 --> 01:12:02,400
I was that annoying kid, I'll be
like, yes, he's picking on me. 

1552
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:04,200
Teach picking on me. 
They sent me out because I did 

1553
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:05,400
this. 
Our children. 

1554
01:12:05,700 --> 01:12:08,700
I was always like that and 
looking back at it, I feel like 

1555
01:12:08,700 --> 01:12:11,000
such an idiot is that, of 
course, they sent me out is 

1556
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,300
because I messed around 50 times
in the in the previous four 

1557
01:12:14,300 --> 01:12:17,100
weeks, do you know what I mean? 
So I've yeah, of course they had

1558
01:12:17,100 --> 01:12:20,200
a shorter fuse of me because I 
constantly showed them that I 

1559
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:23,300
was a nuisance. 
They won't pick it up and it's 

1560
01:12:23,300 --> 01:12:27,700
all your still insufferable. 
So we will end the podcasts 

1561
01:12:27,700 --> 01:12:29,200
there. 
Thanks for listening. 

1562
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See you next week, guys.