1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,400 Right, Hayden, we don't have a sponsor and a lot of people 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,040 start podcasts off with a sponsor message. 3 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,160 So I thought maybe again, we could just do a little thing, 4 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,360 just plug on ourselves asking people if they could maybe rate 5 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:10,560 the podcast. Could you maybe rate the 6 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,680 podcast? Oh yeah, maybe if they could 7 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:14,640 follow the podcast, you follow the podcast and could they 8 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,400 follow us on Instagram, teach the repeat pods, follow us on 9 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,640 Instagram on whatever you just said, teach the repeat podcast. 10 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:21,960 And the reason is because it really helps us and sharing it 11 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,760 far and wide because does a lot of help for us basically. 12 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,600 Do we have to mark this as sponsored now even though we did 13 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,840 ourselves? I don't think so, because we 14 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:30,600 have made Let me just check then. 15 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,040 Yep, £0 still from Brilliant. Good stuff. 16 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:35,840 Yeah, if you could just review, it's amazing. 17 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,000 We get reviews on Apple Podcasts especially where you can 18 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,920 actually type a review. They're really nice to read. 19 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,040 We get lots of messages on Instagram, but guys, go and rate 20 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:43,880 US five stars. We're trying to hit 100 on 21 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,280 Spotify, we're trying to hit 50 on Apple Podcast. 22 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:47,960 It helps us a lot. Well, I'm going to start the 23 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,040 podcast off this week. You ready? 24 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:50,080 OK, well, hello, everyone. Well. 25 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:51,400 We're going to do a little Jingle first. 26 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:52,800 No, I want to be you. No, no, We're going to do a 27 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:53,680 little Jingle first. All right? 28 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:54,520 Come back. Come back for me. 29 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:59,200 Thank you. Welcome back to another episode 30 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,360 of Teats Repeat My Name is. I get, I get one shot, Dylan, 31 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,040 one shot of this. What's your name? 32 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:06,920 My name is Hayden. Welcome back. 33 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:08,480 Welcome back to another episode guys. 34 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,360 It's good to have you. Hayden, how you doing? 35 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:11,800 I'm all right, I'm all right. I'm. 36 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,560 I've got another cold you'll be pleased to know. 37 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,320 God, no one cares. No one cares. 38 00:01:17,320 --> 00:01:18,600 They do. They don't care. 39 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,320 People have got a tracker of my colds. 40 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:21,600 Do they? If you listen, if you listen to 41 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,560 this podcast for more than eight weeks, you'll know that I've had 42 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,600 at least 8 colds. Oh, has Hayden got a cold? 43 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:26,520 Well, I don't know. It's 5050. 44 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,640 Flip a coin, love. I do know I'm sick of it though. 45 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,520 Oh yeah, you're sick. You think you're sick of it? 46 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,080 I'm the one with the cold. Yeah, you are literally sick of 47 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,240 it. What do you mean a cold anyway? 48 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,160 Like you've got a bit of a bunged up nose is. 49 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,840 That a bunged up nose, sore throat, just groggy, doing that 50 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,280 thing where I wake up in the night because I think I can't 51 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:42,600 breathe because I'm choking on my own spit. 52 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,160 We all do that, right? Please make sure you know 53 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,480 everyone does that right Not. Just yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 54 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:49,480 OK. Thank you. 55 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,400 Anyway, moving on because you never get a cold gently. 56 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:52,320 I don't. I don't. 57 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:53,960 You actually don't. No, no, not at. 58 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:55,760 All you work in a school, you never get ill, Yeah. 59 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,600 Well, it's because I've worked in a school for a couple years. 60 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,040 All that got flushed out my system, my immune system. 61 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,640 My immune system went, oh, I'll build up a barrier to this. 62 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,040 I guess your immune system went on. 63 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:05,080 Holiday. Oh yeah. 64 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,040 Well done. Yeah. 65 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,000 Immune system works. Yeah, all colds are the same. 66 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,480 I want you to add a few. You don't anymore. 67 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,080 They're eight years old, mate, They've got an excuse. 68 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,840 You're over 30. You're going my nauseous. 69 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,320 You've got to be. Sound like Homer Simpson instead 70 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,480 of high voice. That's what I was going for. 71 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,680 I wanted to give a shout out. OK to Sean. 72 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,600 Hello Sean, you're listening. I love receiving messages. 73 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,360 Receive messages, genuine all the time. 74 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,440 If you listen to our sponsor at the start, you know that already 75 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:33,600 because you followed us on Instagram. 76 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,720 But I love receiving messages. And there's this one message 77 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,280 from Sean again out of the blue, just basically saying, Oh my 78 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,120 God, I came across your podcast. I love it. 79 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:46,560 Sean's, she had a 21 year career in the NHS and now she's just 80 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,520 spent this year retraining to become a teacher. 81 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,840 And I just thought my honest reaction there was cool 21 year 82 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,560 career in NHS, becoming a teacher. 83 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,000 You must be such a lovely person. 84 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,560 Well, I went down the route of you must be so nice, like 85 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,920 service. But yeah, she's she said it can 86 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:06,560 be stressful during the PGSPGCE, but the podcast, it reminds her 87 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,480 why she's doing it, makes it feel good, gives her a laugh. 88 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,080 And I thought, oh, well, that's bloody lovely. 89 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:11,720 I can't give you a shout out. And she went, yeah, sure. 90 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,560 And her name was something different. 91 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,600 And I was like, oh, is that because you tried? 92 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,960 Oh, of course, because she said all the Year 5 students trying 93 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,280 to find her. And such a yeah classic. 94 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,960 Into that world where you change the name, yeah, and just make it 95 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,800 completely different. I know when my friends have 96 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,320 become teachers, or I did back in the day, because their name 97 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,080 would change to something really obscure. 98 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:31,760 Yeah, welcome to world of teaching where you can't 99 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,480 actually make friends of anyone outside of the building because 100 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,200 no one knows how to contact each other because it was changing 101 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,600 with cryptic names. Or do what we do and open up a 102 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,560 podcast which is open to the public and have thousands of 103 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:42,880 people. Oh, we could do that tuning in. 104 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,400 Yeah, yeah. It's like one of the other, 105 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:45,360 really. No one can find us though. 106 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:46,920 Can we have masks on? Yeah, yeah. 107 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:48,800 And we don't use our real name. And we don't release the video 108 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,440 because we don't have to. No, silly, wouldn't we to think, 109 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:52,840 should we release the video as well? 110 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,240 Because then people can't really identify. 111 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:55,040 Us, yeah, we. I'd be mad. 112 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:56,800 That'd be mad. And we, and we definitely would 113 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,960 never say Dylan Hayden. No, our names are actual names. 114 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:00,640 Our names are actually Hayden Dylan. 115 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,280 Yeah, that's really the idiot thing. 116 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:03,560 Anyway. Crazy. 117 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,120 We're losing it. Yeah, we are losing it. 118 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,520 We are losing it. I want to say a quick thing. 119 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,160 Oh, listen to this and say a quick thing. 120 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:09,880 Yeah. Because the The thing is, if I 121 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,000 don't push this podcast and push it forward as the leader, 122 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,600 nothing happens. So we'll keep going. 123 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:16,880 Go leader. All right, Leader. 124 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,279 Yeah, apparently I heard something. 125 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:19,320 You might be someone's favourite. 126 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:20,320 I don't know. We'll come on to that in a 127 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,160 minute. We're listening to this on 128 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,520 Monday, which means one of two things has happened. 129 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:26,800 Football has either come home or it hasn't. 130 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,200 Yeah, because the final has already happened, of course. 131 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:31,360 Yeah. So last night. 132 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:32,600 Let's do 2. Let's do 2. 133 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:33,160 Takes. Ready. 134 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,800 Yeah, Yeah. Get in there. 135 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,320 Come on, Spain. I love football. 136 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,680 We're not. Who I I actually hate doing 137 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,520 anything football with you, honest to God. 138 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:48,440 Oh, oh, I I hate football. Isn't football ridiculous? 139 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,560 They all just die to the floor so easily and and they're so 140 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,280 pansies and I hate I'm not interested. 141 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:55,040 Oh, tournament. Oh, I love football. 142 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,760 Me, I watch football. Hang on, if anyone was watching, 143 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,960 then if anyone was watching, you saw a genuine. 144 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:01,240 There was a genuine moment there. 145 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,560 It doesn't often react a lot on this, as you can tell, because 146 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,480 the teachers practise. There was a genuine moment 147 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:06,400 there. If you just saw Dylan's face, 148 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,200 he'd probably pause it at the moment where he really was 149 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:09,600 annoyed. He really was a little bit 150 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:10,840 annoyed at that. He's like, well, I don't. 151 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:13,200 Have anyone remembers last last time where I was going through 152 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,880 my top tips for the summer time and Hayden completely trolled me 153 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,520 every single time? I couldn't even get a word out 154 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,040 edgeways. But I'm going I won't like man. 155 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,680 But you're so loud, you're my phone wants you to speak to 156 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:23,800 Google. Yeah, well, Google. 157 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:25,720 Hey, Google, can you turn Hayden off? 158 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:26,720 Thank you for doing. That now? 159 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,680 Oh man. So yeah, either we've football's 160 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,360 come home or it hasn't. Yeah, I hope it has. 161 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:33,120 I have. Genuinely. 162 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,120 Jokes aside, genuinely really, really enjoyed watching it. 163 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,840 Yeah, good. I even messaged you saying I 164 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:39,720 kind of get why people watch football now because I got so 165 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,240 excited by the. Last, my favourite bit was when 166 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:42,760 you messaged me every time my decision went going. 167 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,160 Was that really a decision? Yes. 168 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:46,080 I know. And you never look at your 169 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:46,480 phone. I know. 170 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,360 You put your phone down, Yeah, you can just focus. 171 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,360 Exactly. But focus on the game trying. 172 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,800 To show you that, I mean, I'm trying to connect with you over 173 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,360 something that I know you love. That's fine, and you're 174 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:55,720 squashing. It 22 millionaires running 175 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,200 around the field kicking the ball, what else could we connect 176 00:05:58,200 --> 00:05:59,680 about in this country? It's perfect. 177 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,080 Yeah, who wants the millionaire? I don't. 178 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:03,600 Know what you're on about. Other than that, I'm going to 179 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,800 talk about my week now. I went out for a nice meal, my 180 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,200 mates the other. Day. 181 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,720 I got invited out. Actually, it was a little bit 182 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,440 awkward because Dylan didn't. I felt a little bit awkward. 183 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:14,560 Not when I was there. It was fine. 184 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,360 But Dylan's got a very close knit group of friends that have 185 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:18,600 been friends. You've been friends wherever I'm 186 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:19,440 using school. Yeah. 187 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,240 And I weaselled my way in, you know, once or twice in the past. 188 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,640 He played a bit of football. I befriended one of your close 189 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:26,720 friends. Made sure you know he. 190 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,440 Didn't like that but. Then he moved away. 191 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,440 Didn't he come back down? One way he moved away. 192 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:33,120 Wonder why it? Might be you, not me. 193 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,560 Anyway, I got invited out to this meal so I felt a little bit 194 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,680 like oh, it's just that closest group of friends though, and me. 195 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,600 So I did feel a little bit awkward, but everyone was very. 196 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,400 Nice 2 words colliding. Don't know how people feel about 197 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:42,360 this. A lot of people have this with 198 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,560 like work and social life anyway in general and friends. 199 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,960 Yeah just like OK well that those, that's my separate life 200 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,280 and people are very different around different sets of people 201 00:06:50,280 --> 00:06:52,200 as well, aren't they? Like around my work colleagues, 202 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,160 I'm obviously very different. So around my friends do you do? 203 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,000 That basically because, you know, I do this because you saw 204 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:57,760 it earlier, literally, do you do that thing where when you, 205 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,440 depending on who you're speaking to, you absolutely, completely 206 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,840 change the way you speak, the words you use, the accent you 207 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:03,600 put on? Yeah. 208 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:04,720 Everyone's got a phone voice. Yeah. 209 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:05,640 You just really have a phone voice. 210 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:07,960 Yeah. Phone voice, I guess. 211 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,440 A phone voice. You wanna hear a phone voice, go 212 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,120 to episode one of this podcast. Yeah, that's true. 213 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,520 Hello, everybody, and welcome to an episode of THCP. 214 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:14,960 My name is. Dylan, I hope you enjoyed the 215 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,480 skit at the start of this episode. 216 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,760 We're now going to do something serious, but not too serious. 217 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,680 I'm going to hide. I'm going to edit out every 218 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,760 breath in between the words so that it sounds completely 219 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,800 perfect. Now, Hayden, why are teachers 220 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,320 striking? Well, actually didn't thank you 221 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,880 for asking me that question. It's just that well, and then 222 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,840 and then we very quickly descended into our normal. 223 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,760 I think it took about four episodes for us to become 224 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:35,920 completely unbearable. I reckon about 10 good, 10 good 225 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:36,760 ten. Yeah, we should go back and 226 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,360 listen one. Day, if you're listening to this 227 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,120 podcast and you have genuinely listened since day one, can you 228 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:42,520 actually get in touch? And there's no I'd love to have 229 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,000 any because obviously we've grown since then. 230 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,680 We know we've got particularly for our boots since then people 231 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:47,080 come. Here. 232 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,400 If you're a day oneer, If you're a day one customer that has no. 233 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,760 Dennis got a cash prize. I do. 234 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,880 Jeremy did the whole thing about glue sticks, rages pretended 235 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,320 that was a story and we genuinely had messed up the 236 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:02,720 message going. I can't wait for the glue stick 237 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,320 story That wasn't that wasn't a glue stick. 238 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,000 I think we lost a lot of faithful customers over that. 239 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,080 No, not at all. Well, not deliver. 240 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:10,920 I've got a quick story. Like the last government? 241 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,120 Go on topical. This has just really made me 242 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,400 laugh and it's to do with Curry. OK really random link here. 243 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:19,760 We're in school and we were doing shapes. 244 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,280 Link to the story I never finished to carry. 245 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:24,880 On Come on, what's the end of your? 246 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,200 Story nutshell went out for went out for a Curry with his mates 247 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:28,480 and it was great. I'll leave it there. 248 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,320 OK, that's the end of it. But there was more. 249 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,520 So I was, I was teaching, I was teaching shape to my year four 250 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,960 class and we were doing polygons and we were just basically 251 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,520 learning the definition of a Polygon. 252 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,440 And something again, like when I was a teacher and I started off, 253 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,080 you know, I kind of know that Polygon was just like a shape. 254 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,760 I just said, oh, it's a shape. And since then, obviously you 255 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,920 get to know a lot more because you're delivering the curriculum 256 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,160 and you need to teach the children what a Polygon is. 257 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,480 What's a Polygon, Dylan? Polygon is a 2D closed shape 258 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,600 made-up of straight sides. OK. 259 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,400 And so the point being that a circle isn't actually a Polygon 260 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,280 because it's a curved edge. And I had kids ask me really 261 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,240 cool questions. Like I loved it because when you 262 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,680 really specific about definitions, kids kind of take 263 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:09,200 it on their own. And there's really nice 264 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,160 discussion that year four child had with me about whether a 265 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,560 circle has no sides or infinite sides. 266 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:16,920 And I was like, that's such a good question because 267 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,640 technically a circle, you could say it doesn't have any sides 268 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,800 because it's just made-up of an infinite amount of dots the same 269 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,080 distance away from a centre point. 270 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,160 And it was like, it was like it makes it, it makes a curved 271 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:27,080 edge. Or you could argue it has 272 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,000 infinite number of sides that are so infinitely small that you 273 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,840 can't even see where the angles are and it just turns into 274 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,480 occur. And so we ended up having this 275 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:35,840 chat, this kid and it was really cool. 276 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:38,440 So these are the, these are the two levels because we had that 277 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,840 chat going on. And then we kind of just did a 278 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,480 little bit of a recap where we just went onto this blank slide 279 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,920 that I built in halfway through just to kind of shock them a 280 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,280 little bit and be like, ah, so what's a Polygon? 281 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,560 Just to see how much they'd, how much they could recall. 282 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:53,240 And they were talking to their partners and stuff. 283 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:54,920 They were saying what a Polygon is because you're trying to get 284 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:56,080 them to talk as much as possible. 285 00:09:56,560 --> 00:09:59,200 And then I said, right, Kate, everyone stop, hands up, what's 286 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,960 a Polygon? And I said to this girl shot up 287 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,520 straight away, really, really sweet girl. 288 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,920 And I said, OK, yeah, what's a Polygon? 289 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:10,280 And she went, a papadom is A-222-D shade. 290 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,480 Oh, and I'm sorry, I'm starting to laugh already. 291 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,040 And I was like, a what? And she went, did I say papadom? 292 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,000 And I was like, yes, you said papadom. 293 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,880 And she went, isn't that something you eat? 294 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,640 And I was like, yes, it's something you eat. 295 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,120 So for the rest of the lesson, we all call polygons papadoms. 296 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:25,760 I love that, but don't remember that. 297 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,800 That is what we're going to talk about later, about what makes 298 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,040 good, what makes a good tea. They will like that because they 299 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:32,840 will remember that. Now I find a lot of kids with 300 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,480 polygons, they're, sorry, poppadoms or with real polygons, 301 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:38,560 not problems. They confuse me with the word 302 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:39,480 regular. Do you ever know? 303 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:40,640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Quite often. 304 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,560 Just think it means like a normal looking shape. 305 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:43,800 Yeah, yeah. And they say normal a lot 306 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,400 instead of regular and they don't, you know, you're just 307 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,360 introducing their definitions at this point and you're just 308 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,160 trying to make sure they're being really specific with their 309 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,480 mass vocab. You know, I think we should do 310 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,800 in the future, by the way, an episode on on mass vocab and 311 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:55,760 stuff. I just love it. 312 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,880 I just, you know, we get, we're very laid back on this show. 313 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,720 We kind of just talk about steams and have a champ thing, 314 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,160 but we know we are passionate about. 315 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:02,640 It do you remember that? And we'll finish this after 316 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,480 this, but do you remember when we were very fresh into teaching 317 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,520 and obviously we've always loved maths, but we were super into 318 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:08,720 it. And I don't know if you were 319 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,840 with me actually, but when it was like challenging the idea of 320 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:16,000 kids thinking that an upside down triangle isn't really an 321 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,480 upside down triangle, it's just that they've not been exposed. 322 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:19,880 To There's no such thing as an upside. 323 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,520 Down it's just a triangle. And ever since then, I've always 324 00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:25,640 thought, yeah, God, I'm really conscious of how I show kids 325 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,360 shapes and making sure it's not just always the exact same 326 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,640 Pentagon that has that flat side on the bottom. 327 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,480 And it's just I always think. Of that now the number one thing 328 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,720 I always, I love teaching kids now in terms of shape is I love 329 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,040 teaching them that a square is a rectangle. 330 00:11:41,560 --> 00:11:43,520 A square is just a type of rectangle. 331 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,000 And this idea that these definitions for, especially 332 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,960 quadrilaterals, they overlap so much, a square, it is a 333 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,680 rectangle. But a rectangle is not always a 334 00:11:52,680 --> 00:11:53,280 square. Yeah. 335 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,080 And this idea that a rectangle is a parallelogram. 336 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:57,880 Yeah. And a square is a parallelogram. 337 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,480 So if you draw a square, you've actually drawn a parallelogram, 338 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,360 a rectangle, and a square. There's just varying definitions 339 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,480 that overlap. I always lose mine when I say 340 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,560 There is also a type of parallelogram that is just 341 00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:11,360 called a parallelogram though. Like we just call it a 342 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:12,720 parallelogram. Do you know what I mean? 343 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,320 What do you mean by that? As in so very specifically the 344 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:15,760 one. Yeah. 345 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,600 But that the slanted rectangle, the name for that is just 346 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:19,280 parallelogram. Yeah. 347 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:19,600 Yeah. But. 348 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,840 And that's because it doesn't fit rectangle or square 349 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:22,680 definitions. Yeah, yeah. 350 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:25,040 But that's that's very much like a normal triangle. 351 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,080 It's like that isn't just about. That's a parallelogram as much 352 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:29,480 as a square as a. Parallelogram I know. 353 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:31,920 The definition is simply just two pairs of parallel but. 354 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:33,720 That's the one. You know, when kids see when the 355 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,000 word parallelogram is used and drawn, it's typically that 356 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,520 classic one that looks like a rectangle of us being in the 357 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,600 same way that it's classic Octagon, a classic pen. 358 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:41,920 Exactly. But it is just as much of A 359 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:43,080 parallelogram as the other ones. Yeah. 360 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:44,600 Yeah. So it's always like what? 361 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:45,960 Yeah, I find that so interesting. 362 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,240 And, and that my one of my favourite things we did in year 363 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,240 four, because that's when they learn about Quadra really is 364 00:12:51,560 --> 00:12:54,640 this tick box basically where across the top you'd have 365 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,040 parallelogram rectangle, square, maybe like rhombus and kite or 366 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,240 something like that. And you'd you'd give them a 367 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,760 shape and they ticked as many boxes as it fits. 368 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,960 And that that process of just you can have more than one tick. 369 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:07,840 And then looking at the definition and saying, well, 370 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,680 does this fit with this right here? 371 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,040 That's a really nice way of introducing the idea that 372 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:13,680 actually it can be classified as more than one thing. 373 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,320 Yeah. And this, this shape you've 374 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,680 drawn could just be a kite and nothing else. 375 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,240 But it could also be if you look at the definitions there. 376 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,040 Or actually, I can tick free boxes and I love those. 377 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,680 And all the way around, when you challenge kids like, OK, what 378 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,760 When you say to them, OK, what makes a square a square? 379 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,440 And they go, all four sides are the same. 380 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:31,520 Sure. And I'm like, OK, I'll draw a 381 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:32,760 rhombus. Exactly, Yeah. 382 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:34,880 Square, then is it? And then just really getting to 383 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,280 think, oh, hang on. Actually, though there are more 384 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,760 definitions, there are parts of this I have to clarify. 385 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,240 And being really specific with mass vocab is a huge thing. 386 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,760 Like honestly, the one thing I think I've topped my head very 387 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,160 quickly is just volume. That's the number one thing I 388 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,160 think straight away when when I say to people, actually, we need 389 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,160 to be really specific with definitions, really consistent 390 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:52,640 and apply them across the school. 391 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,560 In the same way, you know, if you say volume to a child, their 392 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:58,160 finger picking up ATV remote, they think of sound, that's 393 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,440 that's their that's their real life experience lower. 394 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,920 Your volume, that sort of stuff. How many faces on this shape? 395 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:04,360 Like what? That's a face on my head. 396 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:05,840 What do you mean how many faces on this shape? 397 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,280 So there's so many different contexts for words where we use 398 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,320 them so specifically in maths, but not at all specifically in 399 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:12,680 real life where it's a complete different thing. 400 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,240 Well, let's, let's, let's do a let's do a massive episode at 401 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:16,440 some point. Come back in the future if you 402 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:17,480 like maths. If you don't like maths, just 403 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:18,520 don't read the title. Just. 404 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:19,760 Get that one and leave us a review anyway. 405 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,280 Love that, Love that, right? Yeah. 406 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:24,640 Anything more about your week before we move on? 407 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:25,920 Not really. We were doing shape. 408 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,360 We did a marshmallow lesson and we're going to talk about this 409 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:29,280 in a minute. I know you did. 410 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,040 Because I got to eat some. Of that I know, because you know 411 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,760 what I did? Classic me Type B teacher over 412 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,080 here. I was in school and my maths 413 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,760 teacher partner who we plan with together in parallel groups 414 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,440 where we did the same maths essence said all we need 415 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,000 marshmallows because it was her planning this week. 416 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,160 We need marshmallows, we need spaghetti. 417 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,040 And I was like I'll do that. She's my head of year, she's got 418 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,240 loads of jobs, I'll do that. Went home that day with you 419 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,280 dropping you home. She cars in the garage and I 420 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,320 bought the marshmallows and the spaghetti and I was like, I'm so 421 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,440 organised. Left it by my front door for the 422 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,320 next day. Came to school, forgot them. 423 00:14:58,440 --> 00:14:58,920 Did you? Yeah, I. 424 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,880 Didn't know that. Left that's why I've got so many 425 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,240 so when I got to school I had to then nip to the corner shop get 426 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,440 some more marshmallows come back do the lesson and I came home 427 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:08,920 and I got 6 bags of marshmallows at home that. 428 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:10,480 Makes so much more sense. I did actually wonder. 429 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,120 I think we didn't use. Many of those, No, no. 430 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:14,880 All of the marshmallows I bought are just at home. 431 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,480 But yeah, did that classic 3D lesson. 432 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,080 Do you know what? Do you know that really nice 433 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:18,880 idea? Oh, we're just going to do 434 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,640 exploration. We're going to build 3D shapes. 435 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,400 The marshmallows will be the vertices. 436 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,480 The spaghetti will be the edges. We're going to build cubes that 437 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,040 did an absolute disaster. Sticky everywhere, Come eat 438 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:29,120 them. All they wanted to do is eat 439 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,160 them. They even said to me, they said 440 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,080 come and eat the marshmallows. I went no, come on, we're just 441 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,400 going to be dirty on the floor. They even said to me then, oh, 442 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:36,840 OK, well, I can eat the spaghetti then. 443 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,480 No, Yeah. Why uncooked hard spaghetti? 444 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,240 What's wrong with you? I was almost tempted to say if 445 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,920 you want just to say it's always someone that would just be like, 446 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,520 yeah, right, Yeah. And it was just weird because it 447 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,400 so happened that a few of them constantly had to lick their 448 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,200 fingers clean. Oh no, I've just got to slit my 449 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:52,600 fingers. I've got marshmallow all over 450 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,600 it. I'm just trying to get 451 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:55,960 marshmallow having. A bit of shape yet? 452 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,400 Oh, it's just don't worry about it. 453 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,280 Don't worry about it, Mr. Price. But yeah, it was a sweet lesson. 454 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,640 It was nice, but it's one of those things where it sounds 455 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,360 nicer than actually. It's not very practical. 456 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,200 Yeah, nice. Well, one more thing moving on 457 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:07,840 to I guess a more serious thing we can come back to in a second, 458 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:09,800 but I want to talk about SAS. In fact, let's do a Jingle, 459 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,000 should we? And let's talk about SAS 460 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,920 properly. If you're in your six or just in 461 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,360 education, you know, it's been SAS results results day. 462 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,920 We could SAS results day recently. 463 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:20,400 So let's just have a bit of a reflection. 464 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:21,240 I. Think and then we'll talk about 465 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,880 what makes an amazing teacher. Right, Dylan? 466 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,600 Hayden is just bad. Hayden is just gonna do it a 467 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,400 whole 2 minutes honestly. Say to me, Dylan, can you just 468 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:32,960 start, please? I'm. 469 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:34,640 I'm worried I don't know what to do. 470 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,160 You normally just come in quickly and I actually quite 471 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,600 like it after all that big chat earlier I. 472 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,600 Even said I know you're gonna take the Mick out of me, aren't 473 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:41,480 you? Because I've done this. 474 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:42,880 He's like, no, I won't, No I won't. 475 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,560 I can wait to jump in horrible 2 seconds. 476 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,200 Hayden. Hayden, do you want to talk 477 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:49,520 about the Sats mate? Yeah. 478 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,640 Did you not know how to start the sentence yourself to talk 479 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,440 about the Sats? You want me to do it? 480 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,360 Oh, come on then. Little our brains are very 481 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,120 different. One little Coho Our brains are 482 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,600 very, very. Different one then my friend. 483 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,480 I like to plan Dylan. Dylan is a very, very like. 484 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,640 He likes to gaslight himself into thinking that not planning 485 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,400 is a better way of doing. Yeah, telling to me it's fine. 486 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,280 I'm telling to you all right. How many of us can actually say 487 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:10,920 hello and welcome? Oh, just one. 488 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:13,160 How many of us can actually just go let's talk sats? 489 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:14,319 I think it's just one out of two. 490 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,440 It's. Insane how many of us spend an 491 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,839 hour making a 2 minute reel when it would have taken 20 minutes 492 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:22,400 if we just planned it. I don't know, I don't I don't 493 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,040 take it longer. Check out our new on. 494 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:25,760 Instagram. Yeah. 495 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,200 Anyway, Hayden, did you want to? Me, let's talk about let's talk 496 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,760 about SATS because last week, yeah, it will be last week for 497 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,680 listening now, people across the country received their key stage 498 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:40,560 to SATS results, which has resulted in a lot of teachers 499 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,280 across this country not feeling too good. 500 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,840 Why might that be, Dylan? I don't know if you tell me this 501 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,320 is your bit. OK, this is my bit. 502 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,160 Well, OK, in our school wasn't a big deal made of it. 503 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,040 We got our results. It was very much like a well 504 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:53,240 done everybody. It's a team effort, 505 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,560 collaborative effort. This is this is the amalgamation 506 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,680 of kids being in key stage one and two really. 507 00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:59,120 But this is their results at the end. 508 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:00,760 Well done core panel. It's good thing to say when 509 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,440 results don't go your way. It's key Stage 1. 510 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,880 Kiss age one. But yeah, yeah, we're Junior 511 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:05,520 School. KISS, age one. 512 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,000 KISS age 1. When they go your way, it's 513 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,680 suddenly. You're 60 is a bloody good 514 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:09,480 mommy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 515 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:10,840 But you're right. You're right. 516 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:11,840 Because it should be. Yeah. 517 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,280 And, and every single year cohorts are so different and 518 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:15,560 it's so easy to just get into your head. 519 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:16,920 Well, last year's cohort was this. 520 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:18,640 So this year's cohort. And when you look at the 521 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,200 national average, right, it's literally an average. 522 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,080 And you'd be ridiculous to think every single year you could 523 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,600 possibly have an above average cohort no matter what happens. 524 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,600 So people looking at this guy. Oh, well, the average was, you 525 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,800 know, 72% for maths. So I'm God, we got sixty. 526 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,960 We didn't, but let's just say So we've got 62%. 527 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:36,120 Yeah. So you don't know your 528 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:38,560 individual circumstances. You might be in a school where 529 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,680 each child is worth 10% because you're in a small class. 530 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:43,280 You might be in a school where literally that year you had 531 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:44,440 children who struggle with maths. 532 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:45,600 It doesn't matter how much we teach you. 533 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:46,760 Yeah. If you want all the stats, 534 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,200 Sophie B, she's come on this podcast a few times. 535 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:50,360 Sophie Bartlett, she's wonderful. 536 00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:52,720 She does lots of work. She's my best friend. 537 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,560 She's actually my best friend, but she is deemed as the what 538 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,960 you say does in her phone. What am I saying? 539 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,080 Yeah, I'm thinking I'm saved as my actual best. 540 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,000 Yeah, my actual best friend. My actual best friend. 541 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:02,680 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And. 542 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,040 What you saved as in her phone? That Who wants to be millionaire 543 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:06,400 guy who? Wants to be millionaire guy, 544 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,320 yeah, so shows said something doesn't. 545 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:09,920 It that was just my way of saying that we're saved in our 546 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,160 phone. You know, Sophie B Yeah, SAT 547 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,400 expert, SAT expert, SAT specialist. 548 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,760 That's that's why I got an e-mail from a random company. 549 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,400 It wasn't random. It was LBQLBQ was saying Sophie, 550 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:20,960 our SAT expert, which made her cringe. 551 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,360 But no, she's great. She's pretty some really good 552 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:24,680 stats out there, so do do check them out. 553 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:25,960 Because she's an expert. She's an. 554 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,240 She's an expert and my best friend, if you're listening, 555 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:32,760 Sophie, best friends for life. What was I saying anyway? 556 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,400 So yeah, our school, our school I think approached it correctly. 557 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,040 Obviously we care about the Sats because it is a measure of the 558 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,640 school really, you know, that is that is basically the point of 559 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:41,800 the Sats. It's not really for the kids, is 560 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:42,120 it? Come on. 561 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:44,760 They get tested again in the start of secondary anyway. 562 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,560 But I know just from being online and being in teacher 563 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,080 groups and speaking to teachers that I know that it is not the 564 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,240 same story, not same feeling everywhere around the country. 565 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,960 I even saw something online about someone saying that the 566 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,600 head teacher literally hid themselves away and refused to 567 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,720 release the SAT results to the teachers and said you'll find 568 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:02,880 out at the end of the year on the reports. 569 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,800 And it's like, still, I've seen loads of stories like that where 570 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,080 I'm like, really like you're just make, you're making your 571 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,360 teachers feel like crap basically for the results and 572 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:14,320 taking it, making it so personal. 573 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:15,800 And I've seen tonnes of this over the. 574 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,080 Last week, well the worst, even worse than that, I've seen 575 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,600 people who absolutely share it straight away and you know when 576 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,880 SLT absolutely take it out on the staff if they haven't set of 577 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,440 results and just outright saying, Oh my gosh, this is an 578 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,000 awful set of results and treating the staff badly as a 579 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,600 result because you've done badly. 580 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,720 Look, you are responsible for these results. 581 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,720 And what I will just say to anyone out there experiencing 582 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,920 that is that firstly, I'm sorry that you're experiencing that. 583 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,480 And secondly, if you're SLT putting that on your staff, you 584 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,880 are absolutely just as much to blame, if not more. 585 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,240 Because if you have spent the whole year doing observations, 586 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,800 doing learning walks in the way you should, if there was 587 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,240 actually a problem with the learning and the teaching, it 588 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,120 should have been flagged up earlier by you. 589 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:56,440 Because that's literally your job. 590 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,920 And if there wasn't, then maybe it wasn't their fault. 591 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,240 Maybe that cohort just performed? 592 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,320 Less one thing I hate, and I know you hate this and we've 593 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,480 kind of alluded to this. Well, I absolutely hate it and 594 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,680 it's totally, totally pointless and irrelevant. 595 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,880 Every situation is comparing 1 cohort with the last cohort of 596 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,880 children. If you got really good data last 597 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,080 year and you didn't get as good data this year, it is nothing, 598 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,680 nothing to do with this process. It's so stupid to do that. 599 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,600 Every cohort of children is different to me. 600 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,840 If, if, if, if I was a manager and I actually wanted to do my 601 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,320 job, which ultimately does, you know, you do have to actually 602 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,000 check in and see just doing doing their jobs properly. 603 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,680 There's got to be some accountability, Absolutely. 604 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,680 And that's not. But realistically, the only 605 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,840 thing that should matter is is the progress of the children, as 606 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,360 in through their actual journey of comparing them to other 607 00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:40,120 children. And most schools do use that as 608 00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:40,840 the wrong. Exactly. 609 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,560 But that's all you know, that's all it should be. 610 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,600 So I really, really do hate the whole comparing ourselves to 611 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,720 national standards, comparing ourselves to previous cohorts, 612 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,320 other schools. That's a classic one. 613 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,360 All neighbouring school got better stats. 614 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:52,920 Is that OK? Yeah, OK. 615 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,560 Did they? It's weird, isn't it, when you 616 00:21:54,560 --> 00:22:00,040 get SAT results and it's like reading 65%, maths 68%, science 617 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,720 80%, writing 90%. Isn't it really weird when the 618 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,640 writing percentage is about 1520 percentage points up? 619 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,600 Because I've always found if kids can't read, they really can 620 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:10,520 write. Definitely. 621 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:11,920 Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah. 622 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,080 For anyone who doesn't know, can you explain quickly how those? 623 00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:16,040 I would do, yeah. So obviously the actual SAT 624 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,360 exams are externally marked and assessed. 625 00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:21,640 And that's just in reading. In in reading for English, Yeah, 626 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,440 and math and GPS in English as well. 627 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:28,200 Whereas the writing is teacher assessed so that, you know what 628 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,280 we're alluding. And science. 629 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,560 So what we're alluding to here is the idea that you, you know, 630 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,760 schools could, if they wanted to, bodge their results a little 631 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,520 bit in. Reading science, I would never 632 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,040 if that was yeah, that would never. 633 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,480 Have known at school to do that. No, no. 634 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,120 No, no, no, no, no. For any context, absolutely not. 635 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:44,920 Where we work, no. No, no, no, we're not. 636 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,080 We do know a lot of people in teaching now, yeah. 637 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,360 But it does happen. It does happen. 638 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:50,640 It happens. It happens around here. 639 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,080 It happens. And it's just laughable. 640 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,800 It's laughable. You see in the piece of paper, 641 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,080 65% got reading, 85% got writing. 642 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,040 It's like that's a 20% mark. There are 20% of kids there 643 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,480 which can't read at their expected level, but they can 644 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,120 write, which we know is an extremely high. 645 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:08,840 Level writing is consistently our generally our lowest of the 646 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,080 era because it's the most ridiculously hard one to 647 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,240 achieve. That's the way it should be. 648 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:13,440 Yeah, absolutely. So I don't know. 649 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:14,320 What? So yeah, if you see those 650 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,000 results. Yeah, take a pinch of salt. 651 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,080 Have a wobble, Don't let them have one up on you. 652 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:22,320 Probably made it up. Yeah, but yeah, you're exactly 653 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,360 right. Heading down the head, I've seen 654 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:28,000 a lot of worried people and it's bad management. 655 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,080 To me, it really is. Because like I said, anything 656 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,840 that's actually a problem with teaching and learning should 657 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:33,880 have been flagged that way before. 658 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,880 Yeah, exactly. So if there is a problem with 659 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,800 that, then it would have already been an issue should have been 660 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,440 already been intervened with if as a SLT you're using now as the 661 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,520 time to kind of reflect on that teaching. 662 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,320 As a surprise. Teaching was bad because the 663 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:48,520 results were bad. What? 664 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:49,760 Yeah. What? 665 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,800 You just eight months. You've even not looked. 666 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,960 Or you've looked and thought it was fine. 667 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,880 So you were wrong and. There's nothing wrong with that. 668 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,520 There's nothing wrong with actually just admitting, 669 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,440 admitting now, like on reflection, oh, actually maybe 670 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,600 that was wrong, but don't, don't put it on the staff as if it was 671 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:04,360 all their fault. Yeah. 672 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:06,440 It's like if you're the SLT, it's your job to manage and and 673 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,000 you didn't spot these things earlier on, then you just need 674 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,480 to take it on the chin and be like, oh, maybe that approach 675 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,120 didn't work, guys, this didn't work. 676 00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:12,520 Next year, like we're going to try something. 677 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,560 Different, yeah. Be supportive and move on in 678 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:15,760 that. It's a collaborative effort. 679 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,800 Definitely. Well, hey, I'm I'm glad you 680 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,480 introduced this section so well. Thank you. 681 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,600 You got it off your chest now if you wanted to do. 682 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,360 That yeah, pretty much. I just feel sorry for people. 683 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:26,240 So if you feel a bit rubbish. Just I'm sorry and get in touch 684 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:27,920 and if you feel bad, I know it helps. 685 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:30,520 Leaving us a 5 star review that really does help. 686 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,960 It really does. Because guys, we've got SLT down 687 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,800 our back. Oh, not going to have five star 688 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,600 reviews. So if you could just whack as a 689 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,000 5 star review or any platform, we'd be really grateful. 690 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,240 That is good. You're getting good at this. 691 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,480 No, no, you. Are two or three Times Now in 692 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,960 the podcast I reckon we can fit one more in yeah OK should we 693 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,200 have a chat now about what makes. 694 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,920 Yeah, right after you've left us a 5 star review done. 695 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:54,120 It all right Hayden I wanted to chat about what makes an amazing 696 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:56,960 teacher because once the half. I'm just you LED this bit. 697 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,040 I'm grateful. OK, very good. 698 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,400 Thank you. So I was thinking, I was looking 699 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,680 back actually at our old episodes and episodes that are 700 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,160 banned and got lots of plays and people have found useful. 701 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,440 And also ones where I've had people messages saying, Oh my 702 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,720 gosh, that was so good. One of the most recent ones we 703 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,720 did was top 8 tips for new teachers, Things We wish we knew 704 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,240 earlier. Yep, loads of messages about 705 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,000 that saying how helpful it was. People in their PGCE year who 706 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,080 were looking for a podcast to help, they found that really 707 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,080 useful. And I thought, OK, cool, well, a 708 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,600 lot of the health podcasts and you know, how to get better at 709 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,840 your profession and they're the ones that seem to do well for 710 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,160 us. So I thought, OK, well, what 711 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,760 let's think about then let's let's literally cut down to the 712 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,200 chase because we're teachers, We want to be really good teachers. 713 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:35,840 That's obviously why we're doing it. 714 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,200 Everyone wants to be a good teacher. 715 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,440 And I just thought, OK, well, what makes not even just a good 716 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,400 teacher, what makes an amazing teacher? 717 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,440 And I, I want to harp back to when we were at school because I 718 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,800 know you and I have talked a million times about how we had a 719 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,800 really positive time at school. We liked. 720 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:54,000 Think back just to teachers that you remember, even just once you 721 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,440 remember now something. Comes to mind straight away. 722 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:56,640 What? Yeah, yeah. 723 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,600 So for you thinking of what was an amazing teacher just for your 724 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,000 experience as a child. Yeah. 725 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:03,160 Taking away all the fact you're a teacher now and you know what 726 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,240 has to go into it. Yeah, yeah. 727 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,280 What was that person and and who were they and and why were they 728 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:08,640 amazing? First of all, I just want to say 729 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:09,840 I had a great string of teachers. 730 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,080 I was really, really fortunate. Lovely, lovely, lovely teachers, 731 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:13,920 but the one that jumps out the most. 732 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:14,920 Can I name? Can I name? 733 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,480 People name them absolutely. So she had two names. 734 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,560 She got married, I had twice year three and then. 735 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,280 Two names. She was an international spy. 736 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,120 Yeah, wasn't remotely. Hello, I'm Guy Incognito. 737 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,560 Was wow I love you. She was Miss Dunthorne to me in 738 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,560 year 3 and then got married and came back as Mrs Plankton for 739 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:34,640 year four. Mrs Plankton. 740 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,480 Sorry, what you said Plankton 1-12 hundred. 741 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,200 I'm so sorry. Taking the Mick out of her name. 742 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:40,960 No, not at all. I'm sorry, Mrs Plankton, My 743 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,400 disrespect, you said, Miss Plankton. 744 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,400 Yeah, Mrs Plankton. Oh, Miss Plankton, isn't it? 745 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:45,320 No. Missus Plankton. 746 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,200 Missus Plankton. Yeah, you're. 747 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,680 Which one is it? I forgot name, maybe doubt it. 748 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,320 Plankton. Right. 749 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:51,880 I thought you said plankton. Plankton. 750 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,360 And then you started saying plankton. 751 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,960 Oh gosh. Did you manage to get the crusty 752 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,240 crusty crown recipe? Yes, we did. 753 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,280 Of course, the grabs. SpongeBob. 754 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,120 OK, Anyway, so she was absolutely, absolutely amazing. 755 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:07,120 And it's the teacher that comes to mind when I think of 756 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:09,000 favourite teacher. Sure, back in the day at primary 757 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,280 school, you know, early memories. 758 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,400 Yeah, why did? This and you can ask that and 759 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,360 I'm like, I don't, I don't think I can just I don't want to give 760 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:15,640 out like a really simplistic answer. 761 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,080 No, it's fine. But you might remember 762 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,240 everything. You're 30 odd now. 763 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,360 I don't remember anything anyway. 764 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:20,800 Yeah, I know. So what? 765 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,360 What was it was, you know, viable, man. 766 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:23,360 Yeah. It's going to sound really 767 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,200 corny, but it is. It is a feel. 768 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:32,200 It is like she made me feel good and I felt clever and I felt 769 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,840 respected and she was nice and fair. 770 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,720 It was those things like I don't really like that sounds 771 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:39,880 horrible. I don't really remember any of 772 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,400 her lessons. Do you remember that she managed 773 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,920 to do a plenary every single day at the end of a lesson? 774 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:44,640 No. Do you remember? 775 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,480 Oh, I don't think she wrote down a Lesson plan. 776 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,520 Actually, do you remember the wall really clearly wrote down 777 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,800 and you had to underline it The date and funny. 778 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,000 Enough. I don't remember anything I ever 779 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,920 learned it all just, you know, bit stayed there. 780 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,640 But what I do remember is how I was treated. 781 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,120 Yeah, and how I was made to feel about myself, my self esteem, 782 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,360 that's what really went up. I had quite low self esteem I'd 783 00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:04,480 say as a kid and my self esteem definitely improved when I was 784 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,000 in that last. Night. 785 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,040 And we've been on that long road to knocking that down either. 786 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,120 In this podcast, since I've known you, but I but I really 787 00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:12,200 enjoyed learning with her. I think that's probably the the 788 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,120 be all end of all. It was the enjoyment that I 789 00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:17,680 actually had by being in school. And was that primary school 790 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,240 teacher you said? Primary school, Yeah, Year three 791 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,200 and year 4. I, I find with primary school 792 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,800 and secondary school, when I think back to my favourite 793 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,600 teachers, primary school is, is way more of a vibe. 794 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,480 And maybe just because I'm kind of losing that memories of being 795 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,480 so young, but I, I just remember in primary school, the reason I 796 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,840 loved primary school was exactly the same as what you said. 797 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,800 I felt safe, I felt happy. I felt like the teachers wanted 798 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,640 me to do well. I felt like they were nice to 799 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:40,880 me. Yeah, I felt like they were 800 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,400 fair. And all of these things I don't 801 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,280 actually physically remember. Sat there thinking, wow, what a 802 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,320 fantastic route of teaching maths to me. 803 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,880 You have or Whoa, these stats about Anne Boleyn have really 804 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,840 stuck in my head. I remember just thinking in 805 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,040 this, in this environment where I have to spend every day, I did 806 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,160 feel loved. I did feel appreciated and I 807 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,680 felt safe. And that was the number one. 808 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,000 Thing and I remember the little quirks like getting to move 809 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,080 around, just sitting somewhere else, stupid little things like 810 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,120 that. I remember thinking, this is 811 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,040 great. I get to do a bit of I get to do 812 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,000 some colouring because I really want to colour in this thing 813 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,560 rather than I've done, I've done the writing. 814 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,040 I remember those little bits like that. 815 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,040 You enjoy them a lot more than what you, I guess you imagined 816 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,000 as a teacher right now. I didn't sit there and going. 817 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,920 I'm so pleased that my teacher kept us in rows today so that we 818 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,000 had a more efficient way of looking at the board and like 819 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,000 and learning with each other. It's like you don't value that 820 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:29,960 as a kid. Even if you value it as a 821 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,840 teacher, you're thinking well they will learn better in this. 822 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,040 I didn't. I wanted to sit with my mates 823 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,480 and like do some learning that way. 824 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:36,920 I don't know. Yeah, no, I completely agree. 825 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,240 And then when I think about secondary school, I think a lot 826 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,200 more. I vividly remember a bit more 827 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,360 and I think a lot more about how they acted personally. 828 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,560 Like one of my favourite teachers at secondary school was 829 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,720 Mrs Evans, and she was literally a cover supply teacher and she 830 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,200 would teach me geography one week and she might be teaching 831 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,920 me citizenship the next week. Yeah, maybe even French another 832 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:54,680 time. Super strict. 833 00:29:54,680 --> 00:30:00,360 Super strict, super strict, but so fair and so nice and lovely. 834 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,360 And I think we'll talk about this, touching this a bit later 835 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,200 on about how you can, you can absolutely be strict and be an 836 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,160 amazing teacher. And I remember her, I mean, when 837 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,160 I had her, I was like, cool, I know the boundaries. 838 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,440 I know what I've got to do and I'm going to do them. 839 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,000 And if someone else doesn't, well, that's our own fault. 840 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,040 And she's going to make sure it's fair. 841 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,720 I struggled with her as someone who wanted to break the. 842 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,520 Boundary and be. Stupid all the time. 843 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,680 So it's like it makes sense, like you're obviously better 844 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:22,480 behaved. Exactly. 845 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,800 And, and, but you might have needed that because I've heard 846 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,920 stories from you in secondary school when you were just an 847 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,960 absolute knob, basically, and it was like you needed someone just 848 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,680 to be like, no, actually no. You can't just stand on the 849 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,440 table and shout, you got to do something else. 850 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,240 And I had Mrs Snyder, Mr Pugh, they sparked my love for 851 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,560 history. Miss Van Gelder in maths, I 852 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,120 loved the maths and she loved the maths and that kind of, I 853 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,960 just flew off. I had her every single year all 854 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,960 the way through school, just happened to have her and those 855 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,800 like relationships that helped me foster a love for certain 856 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,760 subjects. But thinking back to primary 857 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,880 school then, because obviously we're, we're fundamentally for 858 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,120 primary school and I know it applies to higher education and 859 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,880 which by the way, we had in a review recently on Apple 860 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,800 podcast, which is really useful if anyone wants to do that. 861 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,520 So it's about how she's in higher Ed. 862 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,600 That's very useful. So going back to that kind of 863 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,160 that idea of a vibe as a, as a person going through school, I 864 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,280 think it's really important that we, we make sure children feel 865 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,160 safe and enjoy school. And that's number one. 866 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,160 And if we're thinking about how to be an amazing teacher, that 867 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,320 is honestly right up there in a pedestal with them actually 868 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,280 learning things. I want them to learn things. 869 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,160 I want them to feel safe and I want them to be happy. 870 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,080 And I would argue they're the three things that actually they 871 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,800 drive every single thing I do everyday. 872 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,280 OK, so thinking about who your favourite teacher was and 873 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,760 thinking about my favourite teachers, I suppose the the next 874 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,440 thing to talk about would be as a teacher, have you taken 875 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,960 inspiration from them? Do they inspire how you teach 876 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,840 yourself? Or is it simply just? 877 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,480 Well, that was nice, but I'm going to do my own way, 100. 878 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,840 Percent absolutely, definitely inspired the way I teach because 879 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,400 I do, I do, whether even if it's subliminal or not, I definitely 880 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,280 think about how did why did I like school? 881 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:57,920 What was it that made me like school? 882 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,080 And a lot of it was that enjoyment. 883 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,480 So I definitely definitely take inspiration from those people 884 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,400 that I actually enjoyed learning from and equally inspiration for 885 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,920 the people I didn't enjoy learning from because I think, 886 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,880 right, I don't want to do that because kids like me, I didn't, 887 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,680 I didn't enjoy that. And I actually didn't learn much 888 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,760 from certain teachers because of that teaching style or whatever 889 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,280 it was. So yeah, it definitely hadn't 890 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,240 had a massive impact. But the my, my, I guess my 891 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,160 question is that I don't know the answer to really is, do you 892 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,720 think the system as it currently is right now, whatever the 893 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,720 system is, I'm just talking about everything involved in 894 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,320 how, how you can be a teacher right now. 895 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,480 Do you think it allows you to be like that teacher that you 896 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,640 remember? Do you think it's changed? 897 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,880 Are we just have we do we just have roast into classes because 898 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,120 we weren't teachers back then. We were just on the receiving 899 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,440 end. Do you think essentially, sorry 900 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,200 I'm mumbling on here, but do you think the current system, it 901 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,440 allows you to be the teacher that you really, really, really 902 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,320 want to be? Yeah, I think so, because I'm 903 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,320 more experienced now. I know what the end goal is. 904 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,760 I think you need to know what the end goal is. 905 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,560 You need to know what the end goal is in terms of where the 906 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,560 children need to get to. And I think in the first one, 907 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,640 2-3 years of my career, I was very scared about being judged, 908 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,280 very scared about people picking me up and stuff. 909 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,080 And because that's not the way we do it here. 910 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,640 But now I feel way more confident in saying, okay, well 911 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,200 it's the way I do it. And I know children are gonna 912 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,040 make progress and be happy. So maybe we can go through now 913 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,680 what actually makes an amazing teacher and then trying to think 914 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:17,800 about how it fits in the discussion. 915 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,600 So in terms of if you were talking to someone who's just 916 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,200 finished their training or is maybe thinking about getting to 917 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,800 teaching or even a couple of years in the job, and they just 918 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,200 think, do you know what? I don't feel like I'm quite 919 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,120 there. I feel like I'm quite good. 920 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,720 I want to be an amazing teacher. I want to be someone who 921 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,240 inspires kids. What would you say to them? 922 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,000 Is your top advice to to being an amazing teacher? 923 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,040 Because we've been told multiple times by parents you're you're 924 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,480 an amazing teacher. And I know it's not nice looking 925 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,240 at yourself sometimes, but like how good I am. 926 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,120 But you're a good teacher. So what? 927 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,360 What is it that makes a good teacher? 928 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,880 What would you give someone as advice or wants to? 929 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,680 Be sure. Well, reflecting on exactly that 930 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,120 point, then, if I'm thinking, why have parents said that to me 931 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,640 in the past, I think it is 100% of the time because I have made 932 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,000 a really nice relationship with that kid. 933 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,200 I actually don't think it's ever really to do with the academics. 934 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,800 I think that kind of comes as a result. 935 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,159 But normally when teach, when parents come up to me and say 936 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:11,159 nice things, it's because that kid really, really likes being 937 00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:13,080 in my class. And that's it. 938 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,199 That, I mean, we've said this before, but that to me is the 939 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:19,760 number one thing to, to work towards, to be a really good 940 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,400 teacher. Because I think, I think 941 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,400 everything else kind of stems from it. 942 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,280 If you, if you've got that kid what like literally basically 943 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,159 just loving being in your room and will just listen to 944 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,560 everything you say because they respect you so much, they just 945 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,120 want to be in your classroom. I think the rest of it is a lot 946 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,560 easier to achieve. Then it's like, OK, now I can 947 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,440 use certain strategies to get them to learn certain things. 948 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,560 But that alone, do you think that makes you a good teacher? 949 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,440 Not alone, but I think it I think it's the biggest portion. 950 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,639 Because I would say I can think of a handful of people who fits 951 00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,560 that bill. Incredibly popular, well liked, 952 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:55,920 not the best teacher I've ever seen. 953 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,240 Sure. And and and the the reason is 954 00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:00,120 literally. You can have that relationship 955 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,080 all you want, but if you're not hitting the curriculum or 956 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,000 teaching well or having a solid subject, knowledge of what 957 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,360 you're doing or a good pedagogy, you can be the most liked person 958 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,480 in the world. But the the kids aren't going to 959 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,160 learn much. You can get Mr Beast in front of 960 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,920 the kids, OK? They would be smitten. 961 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,360 They would love him. Oh, my God, Mr Beast is my 962 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,440 teacher. Mum, Mum, Mr Beast is the best 963 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,640 teacher ever. Oh, he loves you. 964 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:20,960 What a brilliant teacher you are. 965 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,520 Oh, wait, you didn't actually know how to teach them this 966 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:24,760 spelling rule. So he doesn't have to. 967 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,240 Spelling rule. Oh, actually, this progression 968 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,240 in maths made no sense. So we didn't get the most out of 969 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:29,800 their maths. Parents won't know that. 970 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,840 Kids won't know that. They'll just be heaping praise 971 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,920 on you. So what? 972 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,800 You know, I want to be an amazing teacher. 973 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,000 That that this is what I'm saying. 974 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,920 Because are you an amazing teacher if you're just well 975 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,080 liked? I don't think so. 976 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,240 So what else do you need? What else do you need to come 977 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,400 along? With that, well then, OK, this 978 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,440 is where you can flip it completely then Away from both. 979 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:48,960 Yeah. What to be a good you need to 980 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:49,960 get good results then, don't you? 981 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,080 Because I think what you're saying is I reckon I could give 982 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,360 you loads of wishy washy things, but if at the end of it all, I 983 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,520 didn't, I didn't act, the kids didn't learn stuff. 984 00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,680 Well, I think ultimately you would you could argue, well, 985 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,120 you're not a good this is. What I'm trying to get to you, 986 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,680 because if someone comes up to you and said, how can I be an 987 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,280 amazing teacher, I think it would be almost irresponsible to 988 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,760 leave out the fact kids need to learn lots. 989 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,120 That's that that is obviously part of being a really good 990 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,320 teacher. If you want to be a really good 991 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,880 entertainer, if you want to be a well liked person, that that 992 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,320 advice is sound. But I think to be a good 993 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,880 teacher, you need what you've just said, but you're going to 994 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,840 need some other stuff too, because it I feel like I can be 995 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,720 well liked in my class. I know my kids enjoy themselves. 996 00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:25,920 I've worked for the lunch hall and I've got my old classes chat 997 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,840 Mr Prize. Yeah, no, you're right. 998 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:29,080 You're. Right. 999 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,560 But so so does it make me a good teacher on its own? 1000 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:32,840 No. Do you know why I feel like I'm 1001 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,080 a good teacher? Because they learn lots. 1002 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,280 As well, I think it's the catalyst. 1003 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,840 Let's let's frame it as that. I think being that approachable, 1004 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,200 friendly person, someone that kids want to be around like 1005 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,400 you've got you've got a personality that just attracts 1006 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,200 people and they just want to be around you and listen to you. 1007 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,360 I think that is like the catalyst and now you need the 1008 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:49,520 skills, right. You need the skill set. 1009 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,600 For me, the next thing I think will probably be good pedagogy. 1010 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,200 So for anyone listening that doesn't, isn't in this world, 1011 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,200 pedagogy is basically just understanding of like teaching 1012 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,720 practise. So which embodies a lot of a lot 1013 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:02,920 of child psychology comes into teaching pedagogy. 1014 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,840 So I think a really good understanding is all the stuff 1015 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,440 you don't at university, to be honest with you. 1016 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:08,840 And you do pick up more afterwards. 1017 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,560 Really good understanding of how brains work, how kids brains 1018 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,560 work, how people learn and remember things, you know, ways 1019 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,680 to navigate the brain to to help people memorise stuff. 1020 00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:21,400 All of those things about teaching. 1021 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,160 I think you need to have a good understanding of that as well. 1022 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,160 Yeah, like you said, you are right. 1023 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,520 Because if you, you can be as friendly as you want, but if you 1024 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,240 don't know how to how to deliver something in a way that's 1025 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,080 effective and children will remember it and you're not 1026 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,400 really teaching them anything because they're not they're not 1027 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:36,400 picking it up. Yeah. 1028 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,880 So if if you. Struggle with that in terms of 1029 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,080 being a friendly, outgoing, bubbly, you know, if you 1030 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,800 struggle building those natural bonds with children, obviously, 1031 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,520 you know, working at that would be useful. 1032 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,760 Yeah, but can you still be an amazing teacher? 1033 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,480 I think you can be a. Very, very, very good teacher. 1034 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,200 Still, it's a weird one is I don't, I don't want to say I 1035 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,000 don't want to be too wishy washy here and say that like, hey, all 1036 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,640 of these things are great, but also you can have none of them 1037 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,040 and you'll still be amazing. Yeah, I mean, there's lots, but 1038 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,600 what I'm getting. At is, I think there are lots of 1039 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,240 ways to be an amazing teacher, sure. 1040 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,720 And and I suppose I know people again who struggle with building 1041 00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:10,120 bonds for children like that in the same way, which comes 1042 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,000 naturally to me. But I think there are much 1043 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,720 better teacher in other ways because I think a lot of a lot 1044 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:17,920 of children out there react and respect what I talked about 1045 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,120 earlier, A strict teacher very much down the line of no, no, 1046 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,640 no, no, we're doing this, we're doing this. 1047 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,160 You know what you're going to expect every day. 1048 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,240 Whereas I know for a fact, you know, you walk into my 1049 00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:29,040 classroom, we might spend 4 minutes talking about the 1050 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,480 football yesterday, you know, and, and there are some children 1051 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,520 I'm sure through that 4 minutes who sit there thinking, Oh my 1052 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,040 God, I could be on with my work right now. 1053 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,200 You know, I could I know exactly what I've got to do when I go 1054 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,520 and do my lesson with someone else. 1055 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,360 That person might not have that amazing rapport and the 1056 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,520 unbelievable over the top and there might be people listening 1057 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,800 to this right now and just say I'm just not like that. 1058 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,600 I just don't have that ability to do it. 1059 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,280 But I still want to be a really good teacher. 1060 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,040 So what what should they focus on? 1061 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,520 You know what? First of all, let's. 1062 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,640 I don't think that's true, which I don't think. 1063 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,520 I don't think anyone doesn't have that skill set, like not 1064 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,120 complete. I think sometimes people think 1065 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,120 that there's a particular version of teachers, which is 1066 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,160 the only one where it's like they're the likeable teacher 1067 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,200 because they because they're silly and fun in the morning. 1068 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,120 That's not true because you always gave me a good analogy. 1069 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,080 Then there are some kids who don't want that. 1070 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:13,680 Some kids like their teacher because their teacher is really 1071 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:14,680 quiet and will come in the morning. 1072 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,440 They'll just say hello, let's sit down and get our books out 1073 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:17,400 because they just want to read a book. 1074 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,760 So you can build a rapport in that. 1075 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,280 Relationship. I want to make it clear, yeah, 1076 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:21,560 because. I think it's so easy to go down 1077 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,360 the stereotype of the only version of this teacher that's 1078 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,480 really likeable and fun and great is the one that's like 1079 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,640 super like, yeah, let's put some news around one in the morning. 1080 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,800 We're going to do this fun little game. 1081 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,000 Everyone's going to have a chat. It's going to be super chill. 1082 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:32,960 This is what I'm trying to get at. 1083 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:33,720 Yeah, so. So. 1084 00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:35,440 Let's break that. Stereotype a bit, I think. 1085 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,720 I think what's important is that you're a teacher that kids like 1086 00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:41,880 in general, and not every kid is going to like you. 1087 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,960 It's impossible. But you are a teacher who tries 1088 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,960 to accommodate the needs of your children in terms of like their 1089 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,760 social needs, like you. You at least try to do something 1090 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,960 that makes it so they want to come and sit in your room. 1091 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,360 Can you? Can you be disliked? 1092 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,680 And still be a good teacher for that person. 1093 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,280 It's harder, I think. I think it's harder. 1094 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,480 I think you can be a good teacher. 1095 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:06,680 I think you can be a good teacher. 1096 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,520 I've I've definitely met teachers over the years where I 1097 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,400 know, I know from the kids perspectives, they have a bit 1098 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,200 more of a negative opinion on them, but the teacher gets good 1099 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,960 results out of that class and the kids do actually learn. 1100 00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:19,040 But it might be a little bit, you know, the kid might be 1101 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,120 thinking, Oh, I don't really want to be here. 1102 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,800 I'd rather be in that, that class over there. 1103 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,760 So I do think you can do it, but I'm quite reserved with this 1104 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,360 one. I, I, maybe I'm a bit harsh, but 1105 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,960 I, I guess because for me like defining what, what good 1106 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,520 teaching is isn't just about the results. 1107 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:32,840 So you're you're you're trying to make a. 1108 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,440 Distinction here. I think it's important to say to 1109 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,000 people, you know, exuberance doesn't mean well liked. 1110 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,800 No. Like being over the top, being 1111 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,840 charismatic, almost being this amazing, easy to talk to. 1112 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,480 Wow. Yeah, we can have a chat about 1113 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,560 anything. I think that's important but 1114 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,360 that, you know, there are going to be more reserved people out 1115 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,840 there who can be amazing teachers, though. 1116 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,680 Yeah. But what I'm also trying to. 1117 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,880 Make the same distinction. Another way is I'm trying to say 1118 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,440 that being an amazing teacher doesn't also just mean really 1119 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,200 good. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to 1120 00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,840 say because I think there are some strict teachers out there 1121 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,160 who who don't have nice relationships for their kids. 1122 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,840 They get the best results out of their class. 1123 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,640 But I wouldn't say they're amazing as someone else because 1124 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:07,840 I'd actually say, well, do you know what though? 1125 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,240 You've missed out on some of the social needs. 1126 00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:12,240 And to me, being an amazing teacher is trying to get a bit 1127 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:14,720 of everything, you know, obviously good academic results, 1128 00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:17,400 but also the kids want to talk to you about their their real 1129 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,480 life and they want to share their problems with you. 1130 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,280 Like that to me is like, now you're an amazing teacher. 1131 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,920 So that I guess that's the distinction I'm trying to make 1132 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,960 in my head. You're saying to me, are you 1133 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,960 still an amazing teacher if you get really good results out of 1134 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,640 kids, but you don't fulfil some a lot of their social needs? 1135 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,960 I'd say no, not really. I think you're still you're, 1136 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,080 you're fulfilling the role of the teacher from the academic 1137 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,120 point of view really, really, really well. 1138 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:44,600 But in my books, I I put people on a pedestal who whose kids 1139 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,800 want to want to be in their class the more and get good 1140 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,760 results like that to me is an amazing teacher. 1141 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,040 So that's what I guess what I want to clarify. 1142 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,880 OK, cool. A big thing when people talk to 1143 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,440 me, especially when they're early in their career, they're 1144 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,360 very worried about and I think it's legitimate, I want to know 1145 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,280 where you stand on this. Again, the context of wanting to 1146 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,640 be really good at their job, they're very worried about this 1147 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,160 is their subject knowledge. So there's this, you know, as 1148 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,880 primary school teachers, we teach all of the subjects, you 1149 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,240 know, whether in year four, let's say there's someone going 1150 00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:14,840 to year four classroom or year three, you know, how, how much 1151 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,200 do you need to know to be a good teacher? 1152 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,600 Because you know, you know, they're gonna end up in year 1153 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,200 six. It's very beneficial knowing 1154 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,840 what they need to do in the future because of that 1155 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,240 progression you're learning. It's for someone who's worried 1156 00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:26,200 and thinking, OK, again, I want to be an amazing teacher, 1157 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,320 Hayden, how can I do that? Where should my subject 1158 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,960 knowledge be? What is the baseline for you, 1159 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,320 where everyone should be and what should we work towards as 1160 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:35,600 well? OK, so. 1161 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,440 Core curriculum knowledge is like the absolute baseline. 1162 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,040 So maths and English right for the year group or further? 1163 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,640 I personally think up up. To the end of your key stage, 1164 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,240 right, Realistically. So if you're in key stage one, 1165 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:48,560 you know, I don't think it's, it's great if you know up to all 1166 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,440 that, up to key stage two, key stage 3, whatever. 1167 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,520 But I think as long as you have a, a bit of a macro 1168 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,360 understanding of where, where you're sub, where those two 1169 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:55,600 subjects. So you're in year two, you 1170 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,440 should probably. Know year three, yeah. 1171 00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,440 Even though it's these key stage I know. 1172 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,400 But you should, yeah, realistically, I guess, OK. 1173 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,480 Think of another year ahead because we're talking about an. 1174 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,560 Amazing teacher. Now not just a big teacher, an 1175 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:06,920 amazing teacher. Knows that journey. 1176 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,760 I think of the kids and I've that's, I've learned that from 1177 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,120 experience personally over the years, the more I've had 1178 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,640 experience with different year groups, the more it has impacted 1179 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,920 how well I will teach in a, in a lower down year groups. 1180 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,880 I think actually I've got a much better understanding of the end 1181 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,600 goal now for the key stage and it will definitely change the 1182 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,720 way I teach something. So I do think an amazing teacher 1183 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,520 has a good subject knowledge in maths and English of their whole 1184 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,160 key stage, preferably up to key stage two. 1185 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,640 If we're talking primary school teachers here. 1186 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,360 I think that's a good baseline to have. 1187 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,840 However knowledge based stuff I just don't think it matters 1188 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,680 really when I say maths and English. 1189 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,160 Even knowledge in maths and English are like it's important 1190 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,440 but if you can Google it quite quickly and if you can like I 1191 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:43,760 don't. I wouldn't be annoyed if a 1192 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,600 teacher forgot what a determiner was for a few minutes and then 1193 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,400 looked it up and if they weren't teaching, what it. 1194 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,640 Was if they went in the middle of a lesson. 1195 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,880 Obviously I wouldn't be like, Oh yeah, but but I think like the, 1196 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,240 the pedagogy coming back to that, I think, I suppose that's 1197 00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:57,320 not really subject knowledge, is it? 1198 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,920 But, you know, knowing how to teach maths really well, yeah, 1199 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,240 requires you have a good vocab. Understanding requires you know 1200 00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:05,200 where you're going. It's quite hard to teach 1201 00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:07,560 something really well without having that journey yourself 1202 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,640 mapped out in your head. And what I always say to people 1203 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,040 is if we're expecting an 8 year old to go through this journey, 1204 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,320 through this module, absolutely as the professional in the room, 1205 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,600 we should have mastered that. We should, we should understand 1206 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:18,880 that completely. Great example. 1207 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,760 Great example of that. Classic one, everyone starts 1208 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,480 with this in teaching is and you can tell when someone's not 1209 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,240 teaching because they won't know. 1210 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,520 They don't always know. This is teaching kids how to 1211 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:27,720 multiply by 10. Sure. 1212 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,280 Really, really classic thing of if you have a good subject 1213 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,160 knowledge, you'll know. You'll know how to do it. 1214 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,680 And I think a lot of people have good subject knowledge. 1215 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,440 I think you can ask a lot of adults how to times by 10, 1216 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,720 they'll know what to do. They'll know, OK, you'll put a 1217 00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:41,520 zero on the end. Good, good, good knowledge of 1218 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,120 like the concept would be knowing that teaching children 1219 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,320 to put a zero on the end of a number is a really, really, 1220 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,160 really bad way to teach them how to times by 10. 1221 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,520 And we should be showing them how, how numbers intrinsically 1222 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,400 work in place value and all this sort of stuff. 1223 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,560 So I guess that the distinction I'm trying to make there is you 1224 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,360 could have a good subject knowledge and know that oh, in 1225 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:02,080 year four children learn how to times by 10, but that alone when 1226 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,200 it comes when it comes to working. 1227 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,640 With decimals, the reason we teach it in a certain way in 1228 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,640 year four might not seem obvious or year three, but we know in 1229 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,760 the long term because we have a mapped out understanding of that 1230 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:12,960 all the way through the key stage. 1231 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,560 Actually, that's why we do it because when it comes down the 1232 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,760 road to year five, year 6, something will click much 1233 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:18,960 quicker if we have that really good. 1234 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,320 So an amazing teacher will have good. 1235 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,600 Subject knowledge, but also a good understanding of how to 1236 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,640 teach it as well. You know, they might know that 1237 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,720 naughty .7 times by 10 is 7. Cool. 1238 00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:28,800 They've got the subject knowledge, but do you know how 1239 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,440 to actually effectively teach that to a kid so that they can 1240 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,360 answer rather questions as well? That's like a whole different 1241 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,920 ball game to me. And it keeps coming back to that 1242 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,400 pedagogy, that understanding of how to teach concepts to kids 1243 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,680 properly. Yeah, OK, I've got, I've got 1244 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,200 maybe. A controversial question here. 1245 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,400 Can an ECT be an excellent teacher? 1246 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,640 My gut feeling is yes, but I feel like you've got like the 1247 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,240 way you've asked it has made me think no, because we're talking 1248 00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:54,880 about here. How? 1249 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,520 You know, a really good understanding of the whole 1250 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,560 curriculum, understanding the journey between it, building 1251 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,200 relationships with kids, you know, working with difficult 1252 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,040 children, maybe working with a different set of class. 1253 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,560 I feel like a lot of the stuff we've talked about so far, if I 1254 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,040 was an ECT, I'd be thinking, whoa, OK, it's going to take me 1255 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,680 two, 3-4 years to really get all that experience under my belt. 1256 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,320 And I suppose what I'm asking is here, how much does experience 1257 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:15,760 come into being an excellent teacher? 1258 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,800 How much can we do quickly? How much can we kind of pick up 1259 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,520 from podcasts like this, from talking to professionals, from 1260 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,800 from having that kind of personality, maybe even the way 1261 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,640 you want to build that relationship with the children? 1262 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,640 How much can we do that in the first year immediately and be an 1263 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,960 excellent teacher? How much of it genuinely does 1264 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:33,400 though? Even though I hated it at the 1265 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,000 time, I felt like, oh, I've got to wait two or three years 1266 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,160 before I've already mastered this. 1267 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,920 And I feel like I improved a lot in my first 2-3, four years. 1268 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,640 Whether that was confidence or experience, I don't know what 1269 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:44,960 where's, where's that line for you? 1270 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,440 You know, it's hard. It's harder to be an excellent 1271 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,480 teacher early, but can you still be an excellent teacher or do 1272 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,320 you really need an experience? I think you kind of nailed it 1273 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,320 there, I think. It's much harder, but I do think 1274 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,080 you can be in the bracket of amazing. 1275 00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,720 Amazing is not going to be like an exact one. 1276 00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:01,400 No, no, of course. I mean, it's going to be a big 1277 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,960 range of things that make you amazing. 1278 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,760 Like you said, you can be an amazing teacher for lots of 1279 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,000 different reasons. Yeah, I think an ECT can be an 1280 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,800 amazing teacher. Yeah, but I think it'll be very 1281 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,720 naive to think that an ECT wouldn't get better over time. 1282 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,840 I I, I doubt there are many teachers or if any teachers who 1283 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:22,240 after 5-10 years of teaching can honestly say I have learned 1284 00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:24,920 absolutely nothing and I'm exactly as good as I was when 1285 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,760 when I started on day one. How much do you think you've 1286 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,760 improved as a? Teacher, since you qualified, so 1287 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,240 it's been nine years for you. Yeah. 1288 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:30,680 What? What? 1289 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,400 How would you describe that journey of the quality of your 1290 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,400 teaching? It's better in terms. 1291 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,120 Of subject knowledge and concept knowledge. 1292 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,280 So I think I have a much better understanding of the whole 1293 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:40,880 curriculum now where I didn't when I started. 1294 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,840 I only knew the quick last teaching and to be honest with 1295 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,280 you, I barely knew. Well, you started in Year 4. 1296 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,880 Starting year four, now in year 6 exactly and I'd say it took me 1297 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,280 a year. Or two, to even really get to 1298 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:49,960 grips on how to teach the year 4 curriculum. 1299 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,240 Like really well, now I'm in year six and obviously I've 1300 00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:54,760 gained a lot of knowledge of year five. 1301 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,080 I still don't know loads about year three other than just, you 1302 00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,320 know, from what we've picked up over the years. 1303 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,600 I've never taught year three, but I do think I'm a better 1304 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,640 teacher now. I don't know, actually, that's a 1305 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,560 weird one. Maybe I'm just, I'm just, I'm 1306 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,120 more quickly, I'm more readily available. 1307 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,160 Like I can, I can pull things I need from my brain much, much 1308 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,760 quicker now on the spot. Here's the challenge, right? 1309 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,440 If you asked me as a, as an ECT on the spot, you gave me 5 1310 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,360 minutes to prep a lesson. You gave me a random objective 1311 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,520 I've never seen before and that's going to teach it versus 1312 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,400 now. I absolutely would blow my past 1313 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,560 self out of the water with that. I definitely teach a better 1314 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,600 lesson now, but do you think given something brand new? 1315 00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:30,760 Completely brand new. Let's just say we invent 1316 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:35,160 something in the curriculum. I I've got a feeling ECTU would 1317 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,560 do a better job because more enthusiasm, more willing to put 1318 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,040 time in to prep it. Yeah, yeah. 1319 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:41,720 What do you think? Well, now you're. 1320 00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:43,200 Going down like personally, no, I'm just wondering. 1321 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,240 I'm just wondering because no, but it's true, because this is 1322 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,680 what makes an amazing teacher. Is it your enthusiasm and love 1323 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,360 for the job Which which early in your career is probably as high 1324 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,400 as it will ever be? More of it then how important. 1325 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,720 Is that you know? Yeah, we're trying to build this 1326 00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:56,320 amazing teacher here. I suppose the point we're 1327 00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,000 getting to is just there's there is so many ways to be an amazing 1328 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,120 teacher, but we've talked about the core aspects of what we need 1329 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,800 and I'm not sure that the attitude to building 1330 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,240 relationships. I don't think I'm when I 1331 00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:10,560 started, I built relationships with children and now I build 1332 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,520 relationships with children. I think that was a really strong 1333 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,360 point early in my career that I've always yeah, me too, me 1334 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:16,240 too. And I think. 1335 00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:18,720 That's really important. However, am IA better teacher 1336 00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:20,200 now? I absolutely think I am. 1337 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,440 So no matter how good I thought I was as an NQT or ACT where 1338 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,160 others, we might call them now newly qualified, I think it's 1339 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,680 kind of undeniable to say that I'm not better at my job now. 1340 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,560 So I just look back and I think is it? 1341 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,160 Was it ever possible for me to be a top quality teacher? 1342 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,280 Could you? Now go and train your past self 1343 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,200 to be as good as you are right now within, let's say, a month. 1344 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,840 Yeah, I don't think so. I think, I don't think so 1345 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,880 personally. I think you just have to have 1346 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,760 done it. You have to have experienced a 1347 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,760 class. I've had really tough classes. 1348 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,960 I've had really lovely classes. I've gone into year three, I've 1349 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,640 gone into year five, I've gone into year four. 1350 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:53,880 I've done placements in year six. 1351 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,280 Yeah, that that experience building up, I would say me 1352 00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:00,560 doing year three made me a much more patient teacher, much more 1353 00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,360 patient in terms of I simply had to be so than 15 minutes to 1354 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:04,840 write a day in the world. Do you think someone else could 1355 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:05,760 have done that with that? Not you. 1356 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,480 Someone else could have just already had that skills. 1357 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:08,680 Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. 1358 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,040 Yeah. And I think what they would 1359 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,800 learn with experience is something different to what I 1360 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,440 learned of experience potentially, potentially there 1361 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,280 maybe with their subject knowledge would have taken 1362 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,440 longer to build up. Yeah, than my patience. 1363 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,280 You know, everyone's got a little something that they can 1364 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:20,800 kind of Yeah, a tricky 1. So in a. 1365 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,600 Nutshell really for me so far, I do think you're going to be an 1366 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,720 amazing teacher straight away. And I think a lot of EC TS are 1367 00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:27,600 an amazing teacher. And I think of anything that, 1368 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,320 like you said, they're often more passionate, enthusiastic, 1369 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,880 and that that in itself might tip, tips you over, you know, 1370 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,240 being an amazing teacher more than more experienced people who 1371 00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:36,560 have lost that enthusiasm and things. 1372 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,440 But despite having other skill sets. 1373 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,160 But I do also think that experience does matter. 1374 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,800 And over time, majority of teachers do become better 1375 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,360 teachers. There is a risk of losing stuff 1376 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,240 like the enthusiasm if we're accepting that that has a part 1377 00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:51,480 to play in being an amazing teacher. 1378 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,960 And we're also accepting that people could become less amazing 1379 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:55,880 by by losing some of these policies. 1380 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,680 Absolutely. Okay, yeah, we're one. 1381 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,240 Yeah. So being being an amazing. 1382 00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:02,800 Teacher then we talked about how actually the non negotiables 1383 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,680 we'd say then are quality subject knowledge of what you're 1384 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,400 teaching, wherever that comes to the ability to build 1385 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,240 relationships with the children you're learning with. 1386 00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:12,000 However that comes across, whether that's through being 1387 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,600 strict or laid back or individual to each child you've 1388 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,000 got you've got to be able to do that. 1389 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,160 Yeah. So and the pedagogy and the 1390 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,920 pedagogy understanding of how kids brains work exactly knowing 1391 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,200 how to teach. I think there's a whole bunch of 1392 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,800 stuff which which really is optional and I want to get this 1393 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,160 across to people right now where where doing it. 1394 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,080 You can be an amazing teacher and do these things, but if you 1395 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,200 don't do them, you absolutely can still be an amazing teacher. 1396 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,480 It's not a prerequisite. And the number one thing I've 1397 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,840 always, always, always lived by, maybe because I don't like doing 1398 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,480 it, but also because I don't think it's very, very important, 1399 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,200 is a beautifully aesthetically pleasing classroom. 1400 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,640 That's a classic one. I love walking through a 1401 00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,560 beautiful, aesthetically pleasing classroom. 1402 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,280 I am the first person to admire them. 1403 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,040 I think some of the effort people go into in their rooms is 1404 00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,320 fantastic. I would never degrade someone 1405 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,920 for doing it. However, if someone came into my 1406 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,200 room and saw much less aesthetically pleasing 1407 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,800 surroundings and thought, oh, oh, he's not as good, I'd be 1408 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:11,760 guided. I'd be guided. 1409 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:12,920 And I think they'd be completely wrong. 1410 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,040 So I, I where do you stand on aesthetically pleasing 1411 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,960 classrooms? Yeah, I I think it's. 1412 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,160 The one of the leading things for insecurity of teachers. 1413 00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:22,520 I certainly remember feeling like that because like equally, 1414 00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,680 you know, I wasn't particularly interested in, in the 1415 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,400 surroundings. I'd do it because you're 1416 00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,960 supposed to, but I wouldn't. You know, we're talking displays 1417 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:30,520 here. Aren't we? 1418 00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,000 Yeah, the colour, the displays and even that. 1419 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,480 Even just like the organisation of your cupboards and the way 1420 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,560 your boxes laid out with your books and your trays and things 1421 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:37,600 like that. Like you know, I've never been 1422 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,160 great at that, your peg labels, all that sort of stuff. 1423 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,640 I think yeah, it doesn't have much. 1424 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,520 It doesn't have any impact I don't think on any, not really. 1425 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,240 No, I don't think so. On the teaching. 1426 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:52,280 I think OK, everything have extreme. 1427 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,720 We could go to the other end and it's like you've got, you know, 1428 00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:56,400 like hoarders. You get on like TV people. 1429 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,720 Yeah, but no, no, I'm talking. Let's ignore organisation and 1430 00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:01,640 tidiness for a minute. I'm literally talking about 1431 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,400 spending two hours on an amazing BFG mural in your corner. 1432 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,000 Oh, you're having a really aesthetically pleasing looking 1433 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,760 classroom compared to something where it's just put together. 1434 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,720 The colours don't quite match. Maybe we just hodgepodge 1435 00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:12,920 something. Maybe we're being biassed 1436 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,560 because neither. Neither of us have ever been 1437 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,040 into that sort of stuff, so maybe we're being a bit wrong. 1438 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,480 I don't think it has an impact, but I'm willing to accept that 1439 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,280 someone else would come along and say it has just as much 1440 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,440 impact as you have a little bit of a laugh when them in the 1441 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,960 morning when they come in, them seeing that silly display, 1442 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,840 making them want to come into your classroom because they 1443 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,360 really they love seeing what you've done to it. 1444 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,600 Every every term, I think would be just as valid as someone 1445 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,480 saying, you know, one of the points that I think is really 1446 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,120 valuable because I happen to like doing well when you I 1447 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:37,240 remember when you in. ECT. 1448 00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:39,480 I'd walk into your room and I would do the Riddle of the day. 1449 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:40,800 You'd put Riddle of the day on the board. 1450 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,600 One of your displays was the Riddle of the day and that's 1451 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,280 like a hook for the kids and that's to do with being a 1452 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,960 display. So there's something, there is 1453 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,680 something in that. And I guess what what moves on 1454 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,360 from that and I think has more of an impact is the organisation 1455 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,120 and the cleanliness and the tidiness of your classroom. 1456 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,720 Because I again, I'm a self certified type B teacher, messy, 1457 00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:00,680 unorganised, I don't know where stuff is half the time, never 1458 00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,040 mind one else coming into the room. 1459 00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,480 I absolutely think that organisation and cleanliness and 1460 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,080 tidiness is a real positive in your teaching and I think that's 1461 00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,360 one of my weaknesses. But has it knocked? 1462 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,560 You off of the let's say you're an amazing teacher. 1463 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,560 Has it knocked you off of that title? 1464 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:15,680 I don't. I don't know. 1465 00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,480 I don't, no. Longer be amazing if you I. 1466 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:18,920 Think I think you can absolutely be an amazing. 1467 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,360 Teacher inspiring kids, getting the best out of them with with a 1468 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:23,800 bit of a with a couple of post notes. 1469 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:24,760 When you're asking the wrong place. 1470 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:25,960 I don't think it's the end of the world. 1471 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,800 I think you can go too far. Like, I've had points before, 1472 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,800 genuinely, where I didn't know where my whiteboard pen was and 1473 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,520 I'm in the middle of teaching because I just put it down 1474 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,320 somewhere and a bit scatty. I'm going to help some kids. 1475 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,800 I want to help them out. Oh God, where's the I can't, I 1476 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,240 can't see anything because I've got all these sheets from 1477 00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:41,720 yesterday here and they're underneath there. 1478 00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,840 So there's been points where, like, it would have obviously 1479 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,240 been better if I was a bit more organised. 1480 00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:48,000 But again, I don't think those core tenets have had to be an 1481 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,160 amazing teacher. I think they shine through much 1482 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,080 more strongly than yeah. Oh my God, I've got a pile of 1483 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,880 papers on my desk. I agree. 1484 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,440 I'm imagining always like a pie chart, right? 1485 00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,120 Now, like what? What you know the ingredients to 1486 00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,000 be an amazing teacher. You don't need all of them in 1487 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,280 all of them. You need like, you know, 3/4 1488 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:02,800 whatever to be an amazing teacher. 1489 00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,400 And to me, yeah, the, the, the way your displays look in a 1490 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,240 classroom is a very small part of that pie. 1491 00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,680 It's still there. There's a very small part to me. 1492 00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,360 I don't think it's going to make much impact really. 1493 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,320 I don't think so. And it's at all. 1494 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,960 Right, it's at all I. Don't use them. 1495 00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,560 Some teachers use their displays and they and they have their 1496 00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,200 kids actually looking around them all the time. 1497 00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,080 And I do think that is down to your teaching style. 1498 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,440 I don't do that. So therefore none of my kids 1499 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:25,880 ever look around the classroom anyway. 1500 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,000 So it's almost like it's like self fulfilling. 1501 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,600 It's like, oh, I'm not going to make nice displays. 1502 00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,280 None of the kids ever look. Yeah, they never look. 1503 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,040 It was the displays of it, right? 1504 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,200 Controversial question. OK, so we're winding up to the 1505 00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:37,480 end here. I suppose we're covered a lot. 1506 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:45,480 Could you not once look at a child's book after a lesson in 1507 00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,320 any maths, English, science, whatever? 1508 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,640 Could you not once look at their book after they've finished 1509 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,080 writing in it? No marking, no feedback. 1510 00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,160 Just go on to your next lesson and teach it amazingly well and 1511 00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,760 do everything we've spoken about, but you have not marked a 1512 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,320 single thing all year. Could you still be an amazing 1513 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:01,920 teacher? Yeah. 1514 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,440 Yeah. And what does that say about 1515 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,440 marking? I think. 1516 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,440 It I think it says that marking. OK, I want to clarify this. 1517 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,560 I don't think you would be equal. 1518 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,600 I I think I think there is a there is a good possibility 1519 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,560 equal, equal to yourself who did look at the books every week. 1520 00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,040 I think there's still going to be a difference. 1521 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,440 I don't, I don't think it like So what are you saying? 1522 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,640 It's better or worse? No, no, no, I'm, I'm saying. 1523 00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,400 It is worse, but but I think it's so negligible that it's not 1524 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,480 going to knock you out of the bracket being an amazing 1525 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,480 teacher, but it has saved you a hundreds of hours to maybe do 1526 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,520 other stuff that knocks you even higher into this bracket. 1527 00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:36,640 You know everything and give and take. 1528 00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,280 I I think marking has a, a small, small place. 1529 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,800 I'll be lying if I said I've never looked in the kids book 1530 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,920 and not going, oh, I didn't realise they hadn't understood 1531 00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,200 this or I didn't realise this and then I found out something 1532 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,480 useful from it. But I'd also be lying if I said 1533 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,040 that happened more than 1% of the time. 1534 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:54,600 Yeah, because that's the biggest argument. 1535 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,880 I've honestly not really got much of A comeback to so I'd 1536 00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,440 like to hear what you say to people who do say, OK, it's all 1537 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:00,880 well and good not marking. It's lovely. 1538 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,000 I'll get you some likes on social media and people love 1539 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,400 saying don't mark, but how on earth do you know what you kids 1540 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,000 can and can't do? Because we do assessments across 1541 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,480 the year if. You started saying to me and we 1542 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,320 don't do assessments. Then I'd be thinking, OK, 1543 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,680 there's got to be something summative assessment three 1544 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,640 times. A year is adequate to know that 1545 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,520 a child because I do think I know most. 1546 00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:17,600 Of it just in the lessons anyway. 1547 00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,640 So that's a big thing then? That's the point. 1548 00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,320 You're assessing them during the lessons. 1549 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:22,960 What I'm trying to say is the things that you might. 1550 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,720 Miss in in the books, I think I'd I think I'd pick up most of 1551 00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,080 them in one of the three assessments I do across the year 1552 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,120 and which basically counteracts they need to mark to need to 1553 00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:30,960 mark. Do you know what I mean? 1554 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:32,680 Yeah. So you're saying you're doing 1555 00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:33,360 your? Assessment every day. 1556 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:34,640 You're just not picking up a book at the end. 1557 00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,200 Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm doing myself. 1558 00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,160 I'm spending six hours a day with these kids. 1559 00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:44,040 Yeah, a day if it like, of course, I know intricately where 1560 00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,200 each of them are and I think that's a characteristic. 1561 00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,240 Of an amazing teacher you could say a name to a teacher like Oh 1562 00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:53,080 yeah getting on really well in in maths did struggle with with 1563 00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,040 column method and exchanging found that quite tricky can kind 1564 00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,120 of pluck that information yeah yeah because because you've 1565 00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,720 spent so long with them teaching it and you've adapted your 1566 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,840 teaching whilst you've been doing it knowing your kids then 1567 00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:04,440 yeah is. Is that is a quality of an 1568 00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,680 amazing teacher Yeah. Knowing your kids really well 1569 00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,880 and adapting your teaching to. Suit them on the spot and having 1570 00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,000 that malleability and again, I think kinds of experience. 1571 00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,280 Yeah, I was not confident enough, I would say in my first 1572 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,920 year or maybe even 2 to kind of be like, oh, well, I've planned 1573 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,280 this lesson. But Oh my goodness, little 1574 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,880 Johnny, I'm doing, I'm doing what I've said because I'm going 1575 00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,360 around and I'm making sure I know them really well. 1576 00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,080 But I'm too scared to change my lesson. 1577 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:26,920 So I'm going to just carry on doing it for a minute. 1578 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,680 I'm a better teacher now because actually the amount of times 1579 00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,480 I've opened up a smart that I have planned myself, not even 1580 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,800 someone else and I've gone that's a bit naff. 1581 00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,520 I don't really, I don't like that. 1582 00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,640 Give me a whiteboard. We're going to ad Lib stuff. 1583 00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,080 I'm going to model, they're going to practise it. 1584 00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:43,440 We're going to make up a task in our book. 1585 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,920 And because of that, where it might seem on paper like I'm a 1586 00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,520 worse teacher because I've not got this much slides to go off. 1587 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,840 And my gosh, you need your slides and a written detailed 1588 00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,360 plan exactly how it's going to go. 1589 00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,360 No, quality teachers adapt and change their learning on the 1590 00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:57,280 spot. Yeah, no, I agree. 1591 00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,680 I agree. So, yeah, marking, I don't know, 1592 00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:01,480 pointless. Yeah, I think it's. 1593 00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,160 Pointless. Pretty pointless enough that I'd 1594 00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:04,600 call. It you know I want to do this is 1595 00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:05,800 cheeky. I'd never actually do this. 1596 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,040 I want to go a whole year about marking at all and not tell 1597 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,720 anyone, go to the, you know, pupil progress meetings. 1598 00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,880 But oh look, the data has done this, data has done that. 1599 00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,760 Really, really hope and I think would happen is not much of A 1600 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,120 change. I still got really good data. 1601 00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,080 And then I'd say at the end, by the way, I didn't mark at all 1602 00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,920 this year and, and just see what they say, 'cause if if someone 1603 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,520 was like, oh, Oh no, you have to do that. 1604 00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,000 And I'm like, why? Yeah, yeah. 1605 00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:26,720 Ohh. Because. 1606 00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:27,600 Because they. Because. 1607 00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,280 Progress. I really hold up your progress. 1608 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,600 It'd be even better. If like there's a more of like a 1609 00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,000 hitting home like you did that and also in all the time you 1610 00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,160 save marking did genuinely really useful stuff for the 1611 00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:38,880 school. So they're like wow, didn't did 1612 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,800 all these really useful things was great this year and at the 1613 00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,200 end of it you go, oh, by the way, the reason I got through 1614 00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,680 those things I didn't mark look, progress didn't go down exactly 1615 00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,320 the same and we got all this other stuff done. 1616 00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:47,920 So what do you think about use of my time guys? 1617 00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,480 Yeah, I mean I. Like that idea on paper, but 1618 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,600 instead what I might do is just show pictures of me playing with 1619 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,040 Rory because I went home early. Yeah, Yeah. 1620 00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:56,240 What did you do your time instead? 1621 00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:57,920 I've got, I've got my son at home. 1622 00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,200 I was playing with him. I didn't need. 1623 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:00,680 I went to the pub. Actually, that's the thing. 1624 01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:01,800 Here's a pint I had. That's the. 1625 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,160 That is The funny thing, to be fair, because I felt like. 1626 01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,080 We didn't. You didn't even use the time you 1627 01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,720 gained to do something else when you Nah because I already do 1628 01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,040 hours hours. Actually in my contract. 1629 01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,920 So yeah, OK, last thing then to wrap this up, I think this is 1630 01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,120 super important. And I do feel like even though I 1631 01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,720 was young and a bit of roast into classes, I felt like 1632 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,640 teachers back when we were at school were way less stressed. 1633 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,600 And and from what I've spoken to more experienced teachers now 1634 01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,560 have been teaching 30-40 years. They just say the job now is 1635 01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,480 incomparable to when they started off in terms of the 1636 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,800 amount expected from you. So I genuinely think, and I'd 1637 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,920 have this to anyone listening who wants to be an amazing 1638 01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:40,440 teacher, it has to start with getting your own stuff in order, 1639 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,600 getting yourself in a good place, looking after yourself. 1640 01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,560 Absolutely. Because I think if you don't fix 1641 01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,080 that and if you're in a bad place and you're stressed, that 1642 01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:50,680 is always going to translate to your job. 1643 01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:54,440 It's this is a hard job guys. Like we know it's hard and 1644 01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,680 people training who've got in touch with me say training is 1645 01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,600 hard. And I say to them, training, 1646 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,560 training is probably the toughest pick because you've got 1647 01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,760 to do everything and train and write essays and do all this 1648 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,520 kind of stuff. So getting through your training 1649 01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,960 and ECT honestly is so, so tricky. 1650 01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,200 But it does get easier. And a big, big thing that helped 1651 01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:16,040 me, I kept my personal things. We said it a million times, but 1652 01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,280 I kept going to football. I went out with my friends at 1653 01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,640 the weekend. I did something for me and I 1654 01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:24,120 would honestly say most people, most teachers I look at who are 1655 01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,320 going through a rough patch and maybe don't feel like they're 1656 01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,560 doing as well as they can do, it's almost always because 1657 01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,080 actually they've not got things sorted as well at home and with 1658 01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,360 their own life. So I think self-care is so 1659 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,160 important to being a good teacher. 1660 01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,560 It might not be the obvious thing, but looking after 1661 01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,800 yourself, Oh my God, it's the stepping stone. 1662 01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:42,880 It's the it's the foundation to actually be in an excellent and 1663 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,400 that difference between stress and tiredness. 1664 01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,800 Because I think, going back to analogy, I think I reckon 1665 01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,960 teachers 34 years ago, we're probably just as tired as we are 1666 01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,240 just as tired. But I do think the stress has 1667 01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,120 gone up. I think, I think the all the 1668 01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,800 accountability and all, you know, off stared and whatever 1669 01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,600 SRT, whatever we want to put it down to, I do think the stress 1670 01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,160 has gone up. So look, after the stress, It's 1671 01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:03,880 OK to be tired. It's a knackering job. 1672 01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,160 It's also extremely rewarding. But if you're feeling really 1673 01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,720 stressed about it, something, yeah, you've got to do something 1674 01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:10,800 about it. You've got to protect your 1675 01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,000 personal time. And we've always said our advice 1676 01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,800 to people has always been just go and talk to someone. 1677 01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,040 Just try, you know, you can't, A lot of people don't even bother 1678 01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,000 talking to SLT because they think, oh, I won't be able, you 1679 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:22,960 know, they're not going to say anything. 1680 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:26,120 Well, at least try to talk to SLT, say, here's my problem, I 1681 01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:27,840 want help. Don't go in, you know, with 1682 01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,160 pitchfork because you get that backed up straight away. 1683 01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:31,280 They're going to feel personally attacked. 1684 01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,640 Just go and speak to them, see what they can do. 1685 01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,440 Try and sort out your, your life outside of outside of teaching. 1686 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:38,840 So you've got a bit of time, like Dylan said. 1687 01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,120 But yeah, look after yourself very, very important That that 1688 01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:43,320 is what makes an amazing teacher. 1689 01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:45,920 It is so. Yeah, guys, thanks for 1690 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,680 listening. That was our kind of round up 1691 01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:48,840 there. Had to be an amazing teacher. 1692 01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,680 We missed anything. If you think no, no, no, no, you 1693 01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,120 need to have this. Guys, do you know what? 1694 01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,440 You can get in touch with us. You can follow Instagram at 1695 01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,280 Teach Sleep Repeat podcast. We'll put a link in the 1696 01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,920 description and I don't think I've asked you yet. 1697 01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:00,400 Could you please leave us a review? 1698 01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,480 It really, really helps us guys. We love reading those reviews. 1699 01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:05,640 We love seeing those numbers tick up. 1700 01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,920 So if you've got a spare couple of minutes and you want to win 1701 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,320 that cash prize. Don't don't know. 1702 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:11,920 Don't know, there's a cash prize. 1703 01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:12,560 I like that. Hey. 1704 01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,560 Because I think throughout the episode we got a bit more 1705 01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,160 serious and I felt less and less like I wanted to kill you. 1706 01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:18,880 So yeah, I know. Did you vote Labour? 1707 01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:24,040 I guess what, guys? It's either come home or it's 1708 01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:25,720 not coming home. I don't know which one it is. 1709 01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,800 Maybe that can be the poll. Did it come home? 1710 01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:30,640 Yeah. Yeah, we all know. 1711 01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,280 We would never know. Because we live in the past. 1712 01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:33,920 We're trapped in this moment, in the past. 1713 01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:34,760 It's. Currently Friday. 1714 01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,040 I mean whenever you listen to this, Oh my God, could you 1715 01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:41,080 believe that header by Harry Kane to win the EUR? 1716 01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,280 That was amazing. Now do another version. 1717 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:44,400 Oh gosh. Can you believe? 1718 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,480 That young 16 year old who's now 17 because his birthday is on 1719 01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,520 Saturday, which has already happened, that is called that, 1720 01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,400 who scored that amazing goal for Spain and Harry Kane missed that 1721 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:53,720 header. That would have won. 1722 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,160 Geez. Unlucky boys, unlucky or all 1723 01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:00,160 well done boys for winning the trophy? 1724 01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,240 Well done. Delete as appropriate guys. 1725 01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:04,400 We'll see you next time. See ya.