1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,720 Hello everyone, welcome back to another episode of Teach It 2 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:02,920 Repeat. My name is Dylan and my name is 3 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:04,760 Hayden, and we are here on April Fools Day. 4 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,640 April Fools, by the way. No, it's released, obviously. 5 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:08,680 No 'cause that's not how it works. 6 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:10,160 They peek behind the curtain. Wow. 7 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:11,160 They record it quite early. Don't. 8 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:13,920 Who would have thought? I can't believe they record it 9 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:15,560 on the day that I listened to it at 2:00 AM. 10 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,880 Why did we land on 2:00 AM for release time? 11 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,920 I don't know but it could be 3. Could be 3:00 AM. 12 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,920 No, no, we missed that cut off someone in like Australia? 13 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,720 Yep, listens to it on the dot. If you're in Australia, can you 14 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,640 let me know what time it gets released where you are? 15 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,400 I could just go and Google it. Yeah, I'd rather forget I had 16 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:34,560 this conversation and get a random. 17 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,920 Message from Australia yeah, from all of our you know, from 18 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,240 any any of the countries that you listen to we have global 19 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,240 listeners so all right you know like for every single country 20 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,800 hundreds of people from every. Country in the country, 21 00:00:45,160 --> 00:00:48,120 Australia, that one, we've got some from there, that's for 22 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:49,520 sure. Yeah, I went to the one that you 23 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:50,120 already did. Yeah. 24 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,960 So anyway, April Fool's Day. Bhutan this morning, listening 25 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,720 from Bhutan. That's good, yeah. 26 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,960 Well, and you're like flexing, I know countries. 27 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,120 Yeah, I do. That's what you're doing. 28 00:00:58,120 --> 00:00:59,400 What's that? Cote d'Ivoire? 29 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,760 I say it the correct way. Yeah, I bet you say Ivory Coast, 30 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,560 don't you? Yep, anyway. 31 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,000 Makes you think you got me this morning. 32 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:08,440 I have to say I have to admit this. 33 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:13,240 On the on the podcast you did a stupid freaking April Fools post 34 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:14,800 on Instagram. Context. 35 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,960 Swipe for #4. Literally right context. 36 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,520 Didn't realise it was April first today till after I saw 37 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:21,080 that. I was like. 38 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:22,920 Ah, does tend to be the way April Fools goes. 39 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,640 Yeah, yeah. I know, but I didn't even, I 40 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,600 didn't even have April Fools in my head is my point. 41 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,760 I just thought, oh, Dylan's posted on it and the whole time, 42 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:29,840 right? So I swiped on it once. 43 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,520 Do you want to give any context as to what it is? 44 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,480 Well, it's just you putting a post up saying swipe to go to 45 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:36,760 the 4th 1:00 because it's really funny but. 46 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:37,880 It was. So I'll tell you what it is 47 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,840 because you've given absolute no context for anyone who doesn't 48 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,680 know what you're talking about. It's a post of me saying my 49 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,760 favourite April Fools pranks that I played in my class. 50 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:45,880 Oh yeah. And then a little thing 51 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,440 underneath saying swipe no #4 was the best. 52 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,800 And at the bottom, underneath the picture has those dots, you 53 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,560 know, those dots you get when you do a carousel so you know, 54 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,560 to swipe. News flash, it's just a picture. 55 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:57,320 Just a picture. Clever. 56 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,520 No one's ever done that got me though, got me though, And 57 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,560 here's the here's The funny thing that exposes me even more. 58 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,640 The reason I couldn't remember the context is because even 59 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,080 though I read best April fools things, I still didn't clock on. 60 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,000 But it was April the 1st when I was looking at that. 61 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,400 So I swiped on it went went to Rios. 62 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,080 I was like, oh, that's weird. And and the whole time I was 63 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:14,880 thinking, God, Dylan's such a click baity now. 64 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,080 So click baity. But it all goes to the 4th 1. 65 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:18,560 I know why he's done that. It's to make people swipe 66 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:19,760 through all of them to get engagement out. 67 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,400 So there's me like slagging you off in my head, right. 68 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,320 And I go back to the post and say Connor, what's he actually 69 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:25,680 got on the 4th 1? I do want to know though. 70 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:31,360 Wiped it again and I was like sake, he's done me hard. 71 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:37,240 Like, so yeah, the best bit was that it's half your account and 72 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,560 you're still just like, I don't know what you feel about. 73 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,840 I know. Look, we know there's no 74 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,280 disguises here. We know that you do all the 75 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:45,880 social media stuff. You'd like to remind the viewers 76 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:48,160 all the time that I do nothing at all. 77 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:49,200 Just. Because I know that it's 78 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,760 actually a podcast, Hayden, and some people just listen. 79 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,120 Well, I know the stats are more than 50% of people actually 80 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,040 watch it. So I like to, I like to call it. 81 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:58,680 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Screen time. 82 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,800 Screen time. Honestly, it makes you wonder, 83 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,160 isn't it? Should we, should we start some 84 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:02,880 questions? All right. 85 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,240 If you're enjoying half term, by the way, I'm glad. 86 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,600 Wow, that was good. That's staying in the benefit of 87 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,360 me having editorial power. You know, you might you might 88 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,360 slag me off about not your social media, but I can keep 89 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,320 that in so. I'm glad, I am glad, I hope it 90 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,240 stays in there. Hope you're having a nice time 91 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:22,840 despite the dip that it gives us in our place. 92 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,960 Because people are out of kilter and not in their routine anymore 93 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:26,440 and don't listen to it on the way to work. 94 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:27,840 It's fine. It's not like I resent it at 95 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:28,880 all. Definitely not why we're only 96 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,800 doing 1 episode this week. That's a question I'm looking 97 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,480 for some advice. I'm an avid silent listener but 98 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,160 have plucked up the courage to write in. 99 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,200 Don't worry, even though I'm a silent listener, I have given 100 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:40,920 you a 5 star review. A winky emoji. 101 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,120 It's what we like to hear. They could do it right now. 102 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:44,360 They. Could share this episode. 103 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:45,800 Well, they would have done it. That doesn't work. 104 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,880 I mean they as in everyone. Listener No, you meant they as 105 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,240 in this person. They've already done it. 106 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,440 So stupid. Basic comprehension gone. 107 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,360 I'm an ECT one in a school in the very difficult area. 108 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,960 I'm shadowing the RE subject leader but it feels like I'm 109 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,880 essentially leading it myself. I've been offered no support 110 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,600 really and completing tasks just given a list of things I need to 111 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,040 do including high school communication to parents, 112 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,280 newsletters, risk assessments, trips and visits etc. 113 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,480 It is making me feel incompetent because I cannot fulfil the role 114 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,280 but I have no idea what I'm doing. 115 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,760 I'm shadowing a member of SLT by the way, not another class based 116 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,200 teacher. Do you have any advice for what 117 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,800 I can do going forward? It's adding an increase of 118 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,880 stress to my workload which I am already finding difficult as an 119 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,440 ECT. Just trying to find my way. 120 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,000 Love the podcast guys, thumbs up. 121 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:35,040 I was sort of smirking that, like smirking kind of in a mean 122 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,720 way really, because I was thinking, welcome to teaching. 123 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,680 Welcome to teaching. Honestly, this isn't even 124 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,040 uncommon. Welcome to. 125 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:47,000 Teaching in some schools. Yeah, but it but I'll stand. 126 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,800 Well, I said it's not uncommon. Like I was reading that thinking 127 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,400 they're probably hoping I'd say, Oh yeah, like this is such an 128 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:55,960 anomaly. Like, oh, this doesn't happen. 129 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,520 You know, there's something we can do about this. 130 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,440 This is not right. Yeah, it's not right. 131 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,000 But it does happen all the time. I just feel like we've, when we 132 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,240 talk about subject leadership in general, the amount of times 133 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,440 we've mentioned the fact that 90% of the time people are just, 134 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,760 they just have a subject chucked on in primary schools we're 135 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,640 talking about here. We're just like, Oh yeah, you 136 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,200 just got to do this. Yeah, but even if it's not in 137 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,520 primary schools or in secondary schools, no matter what, there's 138 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,040 all even further from the point this is an ECT. 139 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:21,760 They're at the very start of their career. 140 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,560 It's a joke. Like, yeah, I've got, OK, at 141 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,680 some point in your career, you may get to the point where 142 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,160 you've got on top of your workload. 143 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,680 Like the CCT mentions here. They're already trying to find a 144 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,520 way to get through the job, which is already hard enough for 145 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,760 an ECT to do. We're already lumping them on 146 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,640 with this. And by the way, why? 147 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,240 Why in teaching do we seem to have this really weird 148 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,360 understanding of what the word shadow actually means? 149 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,160 You're not. You're not shadowing anyone. 150 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,320 The only shadows that they're leaving behind is when they walk 151 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:45,480 out the door, leaving you to do all the work. 152 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,320 There's no there's no shadowing going on here. 153 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:48,800 Yeah. Hayden, can you just shadow me 154 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,320 for a second by doing every single part of this job? 155 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:52,440 Yeah. Are you going to go home? 156 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,840 No, I'm I'm not going to do it. You're shadowing me, mate. 157 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:56,400 You've got to learn how to do it, haven't you? 158 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,320 So here's the list. I'm off because I've got forms 159 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:01,240 to fill. Right. 160 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:02,960 How am I going to learn how to do it if no one's showing? 161 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,360 Me La La La La shadowing, shadowing. 162 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:06,800 If I just say it's shadowing, get on with it. 163 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,040 If I just say it's shadowing, I don't have to pay you ATLR at 164 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:10,360 all and I can just get to it. Absolutely. 165 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,000 Yeah, there's so many bits to unpack, isn't there? 166 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,320 Yeah. The fact that, yeah, literally 167 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,120 the fact that it's an ECT. Like, come on, like they already 168 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:18,760 are. They need time to get to grips 169 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,760 with the job. The fact that it's not really 170 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,320 shadowing is, is ridiculous. The fact that there's typically 171 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,640 no pay, and it's clearly in this situation, there's just no pay 172 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,640 that comes with these additional responsibilities and burdens. 173 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,880 So that's why I was thinking, yeah, welcome to teaching. 174 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,680 Because I just feel like we like, as a teacher podcast, we 175 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,920 hear this sort of stuff all the time, like people writing in 176 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,320 with similar things where we're like, Oh my God, why is this 177 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:40,680 normal? Why is this systemic? 178 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:43,400 So advice in terms of like actual advice for you going 179 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,400 forward, there's a couple of things. 180 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,360 One part of it is what we've kind of said before, which is 181 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,360 just like, do you know what? Actually, quite a lot of the 182 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,960 time you are just going to find that this is unfortunately quite 183 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,440 normal that you're thrusted, that these extra, extra 184 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,000 responsibilities are thrusted upon you. 185 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,520 But I, I do think there are, there are definitely things you 186 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,080 can do on your own to advocate for yourself. 187 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,800 Because I think what people need to remember is even as an ECT. 188 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,280 And this is hard to do. And, and even going back to what 189 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:11,200 you said at the start about being an avid silent listener, 190 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,800 but plucking up the courage to write in we're not even scary. 191 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,960 And it still took this person a bit of courage to write in the 192 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,560 question, right. So I can imagine that what I'm 193 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,040 about to say to you doesn't, doesn't, isn't the kind of thing 194 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,960 you want to hear. However, that courage needs to 195 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,440 be plucked up even further in order to advocate for yourself 196 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,960 and just have clear boundaries and say no because you're well 197 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,840 within your rights, in my opinion, to say, look, I'm happy 198 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,160 to actually shadow you, but in order for me to be to shadow you 199 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,240 effectively, I need to see you do the job. 200 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,560 That's what shadowing is. I watched you actually do it and 201 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,160 I'm in your shadow looking and learning. 202 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,800 It's not shadowing if you just tell me to do the thing that's 203 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,600 just given me the job and pretending that you haven't. 204 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,800 If you're not blocking the sun, am I really learning? 205 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,040 That's what I'd say. I'd take it deeper. 206 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,280 Yours isn't helpful. Yeah, I agree. 207 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,520 When you were saying that, I was thinking, my point here is going 208 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,720 to be you have to pluck up the courage and advocate for 209 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,400 yourself a little bit, and you can do it politely. 210 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:00,400 We said it a lot on this podcast. 211 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,000 Sometimes we get into our little echo Chamber of like, yeah, 212 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,320 we're gonna say all this and be really aggressive and just say 213 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,040 this is what we want and demand things. 214 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,760 There is also a middle ground where you can just very politely 215 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,400 and reasonably say, oh, I'm struggling for this reason and 216 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,080 this reason. I'd appreciate this. 217 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,000 It would help me on my development as a, as a teacher 218 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,000 and my journey in this school. I'm really looking forward to 219 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,920 developing this further and becoming a huge part of this 220 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:23,920 community in school. But right now I feel like I'm, 221 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,800 I'm not fulfilling that. You can do it in a way where 222 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,240 it's like it's not that confrontational and they and 223 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,800 they might even appreciate it. I think in a, in a lot of cases, 224 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,320 people just forget what it's like to be an ECT. 225 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:34,760 Sometimes people just think, oh, that'll be fine. 226 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,360 They'll crack on because I'd be fine cracking on forgetting that 227 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,280 you've got 10 years under your belt where your workload's 228 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,360 massively changed. This person's not in that same 229 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,159 boat. I'm not saying everyone is that. 230 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:44,880 Naive. I don't think that's acceptable 231 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,200 though. Like honestly what you just 232 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,320 said, like Oh yeah, some people just forget what it's like to be 233 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:49,360 an ECT. No, they don't. 234 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,840 They just have selective memory. I don't forget what it was like 235 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:53,480 to be an ECT. And I've done it for 10 years. 236 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,680 So if someone else has done it for 10 years and comes out and 237 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:57,240 says, oh, I just forgot what it was, I'm sorry. 238 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,360 No, you didn't. You're chancing your arm and 239 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,360 you're pushing your luck. And it's nonsense to say that 240 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:02,880 you just forget. It's bollocks. 241 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,280 It gives people a get out of gaol free card. 242 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,360 And it pisses me off because you don't just forget. 243 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,600 You do not forget. If you're outside of the 244 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,520 classroom for 456789 years, obviously you're further away as 245 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:13,680 a company. We'll do a question later on 246 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:15,400 about this. Actually, you're further away 247 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,880 from the actual role itself. But if you just say, oh, I just 248 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,840 forget what it's like, it's just like, no, you're giving yourself 249 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,240 you're, you're, you're forgiving yourself for something that I 250 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,000 don't think is acceptable. If you're in a leadership 251 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,600 position, part of your job is remembering what it's like. 252 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,520 Part of your job is supporting the ECT and not just being able 253 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,480 to wash your hands and say well I'm done it in a while So what 254 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,680 was me I forgot sorry it's not acceptable. 255 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,840 So it's nonsense. I wasn't really saying that 256 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:38,360 though in terms of like, I'm not saying I'm not. 257 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:41,520 The whole time ago. Why is it getting? 258 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,200 No, no, no. I'm not, I'm not only people who 259 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,120 give passes to other people by just saying, Oh well, they 260 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:47,960 haven't done it in a while. Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot what it 261 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:48,800 was like. No, you didn't. 262 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:49,720 Yeah, sure. It's not. 263 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:50,880 It's not even about giving passes. 264 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,040 What I'm trying to say is I just think there is a spectrum. 265 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,480 I think, I don't think everyone, I think it's easy to interpret 266 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,760 what we're saying sometimes as yes, the evil people above have 267 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,800 done this all on purpose. And sometimes they are also just 268 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,000 being a bit naive. It's not that they've forgotten 269 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,080 that how, what, what it's like that is what you said. 270 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,600 OK, fine, I'm rephrasing it now. It's that they're just, they're 271 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,880 not thinking about it, that it's not coming into their mind when 272 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,680 it should and it's not it's not forgivable. 273 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,480 I understand that there are some people who are toxic and they 274 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,160 actively go, I know this is going to be too much, but I just 275 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,600 don't care. And I think there are some 276 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,000 people who just don't really think about it and they just 277 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,200 think, well, I'll be all right in that situation, they'll be OK 278 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,280 then crack on, blah, blah, blah. Maybe they even have different 279 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:27,400 intentions. It doesn't work out. 280 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,400 What I'm saying is there's a sliding scale, and I think 281 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,880 sometimes having a conversation with the person that I just 282 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,320 described might actually be easier and less confrontational 283 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,320 than maybe having a conversation with the one who's actually 284 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:37,680 toxic. So you've just got to be aware 285 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:39,120 of the fact that people are different, I think. 286 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,280 Yeah, it depends what you mean by actually toxic as well. 287 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,280 I think you can be toxic in a passive way and it sounds like 288 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,080 you're forgiving that a bit more than in a non passive. 289 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,360 Way I'm not forgiving it. I'm saying it's easier to to 290 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:50,800 have a conversation with that person because. 291 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,720 Sure, but but even when that person like, so let's say, let's 292 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,200 say that happens and this person does that. 293 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:56,680 Yeah. And the leader turns around and 294 00:10:56,680 --> 00:10:59,520 says, oh God, sorry, I forgot what it was like to be an ECT. 295 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,480 Very, very sorry. However, do you still need this 296 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,000 work done? Like it's not going to change 297 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:04,840 that, is it? No. 298 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,320 So at the end of the day, they only went down the road of this 299 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,760 person shadowing and doing all the work because they felt like 300 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,640 it was giving them less work and they could just, they could do 301 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,320 that. Whether it's passive or not. 302 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,000 To me, it's just like, it's beside of the point. 303 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,520 This person's chancing their arm and yes, you should put but like 304 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,840 do that and mention it. And I suppose absolutely their 305 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,120 reaction to that will say more potentially about what they're 306 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:25,600 like. And maybe their reaction will 307 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:26,800 be, oh sure, let's take some away. 308 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,240 But but that doesn't change for me the fact that there are still 309 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,520 lots of people in the 1st place who never would have done this. 310 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,320 And, and it, and it kind of winds me up when people get a 311 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,280 pass. And I see this in all walks of 312 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,960 life. I see, I see very toxic, 313 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,760 horrible people who made a name for themselves in maybe reality 314 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,120 shows or, you know, sports careers or just just horrible, 315 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,640 horrible people. Podcasts, podcasts, who then who 316 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,040 then at the end of it turn around and, and then they're 317 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,120 like, oh God, yeah, I was a bully. 318 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,520 Oh, I was so awful to women. I was so awful. 319 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,240 But I've seen the light. And now this is the way we 320 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,760 should live our life, guys. And everyone's like simping on 321 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,200 them like, oh, oh, aren't you just like, oh, you're just, I'm 322 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,760 so glad you've seen. Aren't you just saying the right 323 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:06,800 things? Oh, you're so lovely. 324 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,120 You never would have been famous if you weren't a misogynistic 325 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,360 pig in the 1st place on one of these reality TV shows. 326 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,760 So don't turn around now when you're 40 and be like, go, 327 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,160 aren't I the best person in the world? 328 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,360 No, you're a piece of no. They've learned the error of 329 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:19,920 their ways, Dylan. They've learned the error of 330 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:21,600 their ways. And we should, we should follow 331 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:22,600 their redemption. Yeah. 332 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,400 What about the people who they spent 10/15/20 years of their 333 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,960 life bullying and harassing and being horrible people to there 334 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:30,440 who are more interested in and do you know who I'm more 335 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:31,720 interested in? The people who were never like 336 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,880 that in the 1st place who didn't make a platform for themselves 337 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,000 because they pushed themselves out there and and were this 338 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,640 controversial figure and just horrible. 339 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,840 And then then they get they're all adulation after for the way 340 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,000 they changed. Now how about when you were a 341 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,480 grown man in your 20s and 30s? You weren't a piece of shit. 342 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:49,080 How about that? Like it? 343 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,160 It doesn't wash with me. It doesn't make you this amazing 344 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,760 figure because you changed. You were that in the 1st place 345 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,480 when you were able to not be that. 346 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,840 It doesn't make you. Oh yeah, obviously it's good. 347 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,240 You should have changed, but it winds me up. 348 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,960 And how does that make you feel? Makes me feel angry because 349 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,640 these aren't the people you should be putting on pedestals 350 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,440 and like I saw a meme as the worst person you knew at school 351 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,480 now and it's just them. Like sitting on a mountaintop 352 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:09,600 guy. Life's too short. 353 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:10,960 Just be nice to everyone you know. 354 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,480 You were horrible to everyone you knew for years and years and 355 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,160 years and then just started. Now's the time I'm going to get 356 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,560 the clouts wind me up when in retrospectively, and it's kind 357 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:20,920 of the same idea here. It's like, oh, sorry, I didn't 358 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:22,080 know that. Well, you did. 359 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,560 You did know, and if you didn't then you're an ignorant idiot. 360 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:27,240 So do you not believe in redemption? 361 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,040 Of course I believe in redempt. Of course, of course the option 362 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,120 at the point now would be it's better for someone to look back 363 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:34,720 and go, oh, I made mistakes, aren't I good? 364 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,160 What shouldn't happen there for retrospective is they're putting 365 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,720 a pedestal for it. They're not better than someone 366 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,400 being awful and then having a redemption back to where you 367 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,800 were is not better than someone who just was always there in the 368 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,400 1st place. But it's treated that way 369 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:47,720 because, oh, they've gone through this redemption. 370 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,000 Fantastic what they've done. Well, what if I never had 371 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,800 something to redeem myself about in the 1st place? 372 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,480 Isn't that better Do? You know what reminds me of? 373 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,200 And you might even be thinking this as well. 374 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,280 We've talked this before in the classroom when children who are 375 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,320 just consistently well behaved and honestly never do the right 376 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,480 thing, kind of don't like they never do. 377 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,000 I say that yeah, they always do. They're. 378 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,520 Well behaved, they never do the right thing. 379 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:09,880 I mean, never do the wrong thing. 380 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:11,440 They're always doing the right thing. 381 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,640 Like they might not get a particular reward for just doing 382 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,000 the right thing all the time. Whereas the child who can, I 383 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,000 don't know, maybe plays up regularly or is, you know, that 384 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,600 behaviour is not great, that then does the right thing. 385 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,120 They'll get sort of praised and rewarded for it. 386 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,080 And, and a lot of people have said like, you've got to be 387 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,600 careful in comparison, because the child who's always doing the 388 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,200 right thing, who just didn't get in any way for doing the thing 389 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:31,840 that the other child that doesn't normally do the right 390 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,280 thing has now just done, sees that. 391 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:34,720 Yeah. And might, you know, might. 392 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,240 And also you got remember in this, in this, in this example, 393 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,280 their children, yeah, who are learning. 394 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,160 And I do think there's another difference between when you're a 395 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:42,480 fully grown adult doing these things. 396 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,240 So I do think there is room to be praising children who make 397 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,160 progress no matter where they're at. 398 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,320 And the moral of that story to me is that you should be giving 399 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:50,720 praise to the other child more exactly. 400 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,480 It's not about you shouldn't be giving it to the child who's 401 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,800 redeeming themselves because, A, they're learning and they're a 402 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,080 child, and B, they have redeemed. 403 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,920 And like I said earlier, it's not against redemption, 404 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:00,800 obviously. Obviously it's better to redeem 405 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,960 yourself, but it's more about when they're a child still 406 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:05,640 praising the other person for always making the right 407 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,840 decisions and not letting them be lost in the ether of just, 408 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,400 oh, well, they're a good kid, let's just ignore them. 409 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:10,960 Yeah. And when you're an adult, it's 410 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,080 different because you're an adult. 411 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,320 Yeah. You You are now fully, fully 412 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:15,720 independent of making your own choices. 413 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,880 But it is an interesting thought experiment either way. 414 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,880 You know, from a child perspective, adult perspective, 415 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:24,120 and clearly you know. So ECT one who wrote in. 416 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,760 Hopefully you can bring this up. I still think it's worth 417 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,040 bringing up. I still think it's worth 418 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,200 advocating for yourself, I just don't give people a free pass. 419 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:33,920 No, and that's fine and I don't think we should give people a 420 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,680 free pass, but I think it's worth understanding that there 421 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,480 are different types of people out there when you're talking to 422 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:38,880 them. Should I just, should I 423 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,240 summarise my point again so I get the final word or no? 424 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,520 I think I've summarised my final point and final word and I think 425 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,480 we should move on. Go on after my summary. 426 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,680 So the next question. Is I just think. 427 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:51,640 You can come in with the answer for that question. 428 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,120 Ring up on another 10 minutes. Here we go. 429 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,080 What is the highlight of your careers in education so far, 430 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,200 both in the classroom and outside? 431 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:03,960 Certainly all those bloody holidays we got you crazy man, 432 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,560 do you want? To start with in the classroom. 433 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,920 Or yeah, in the classroom, and I'm going to take this as just 434 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,040 in teaching in general. The highlight for me was 435 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,880 definitely, well, one of the highlights. 436 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,240 There's lots. I like anything where where 437 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,760 we're a bit off time to were not rigidly sad. 438 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,840 They're just doing traditional lessons, which sounds ridiculous 439 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,600 because that was 99% of my time as teacher. 440 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,200 I liked it when we went outside and just the kids were happy and 441 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:26,960 exploring. I liked anything when the 442 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:28,960 children felt like they were in charge of their own learning. 443 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:30,800 And I know it's not like an individual thing I'm going to 444 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,600 talk about necessarily, but when when we'd go out with our books 445 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:34,920 and and we'd just do some sketching. 446 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,480 Oh, what's the outcome? How can we possibly track that 447 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,480 the children know what shading is and the different words for 448 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,600 the different types of the foliage and all that kind of, I 449 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,600 don't care. Kids were just happy and, and 450 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,400 sketching and they were learning how to sketch and they were 451 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:50,920 talking to their friends and they were becoming better 452 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,160 people. All of those things notes the 453 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,080 children give you that. I, I, I still hold on. 454 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,600 Some of those notes still have them where it's like, here's a 455 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,000 note that a child who is, who is 8 years old has independently 456 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,720 gone up and thought, I need to write this down and give it to 457 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,760 this person because they're important to me and they've done 458 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,079 this thing for me that's really helped me. 459 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:09,440 And I understand that And no one's put them up to it and they 460 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,119 want to give you that note, the best feeling in the world. 461 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,880 And one last one is probably, I think back to COVID times when 462 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:20,160 we were in bubbles and we had a little bubble and we emptied the 463 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,280 store cupboard for a PEP equipment because we were going 464 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,839 to tidy it. So in between tidying that and 465 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:27,720 whilst we're cleaning it and stuff and putting it back away 466 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,680 after we said, OK, kids, here's the entire PE cupboard. 467 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,960 Make an obstacle course that covers the entire playground. 468 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,280 The best thing ever because the kids were just having so much 469 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:38,800 fun. It was active, it was it was 470 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,960 problem solving, it was teamwork, it was team building. 471 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,840 Best things ever. Those moments where children 472 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,760 develop in those ways, we need to find more ways to get that 473 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,560 into school in general because of those are my highlights. 474 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,320 When I think back of my teaching career, those are what stick out 475 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,040 to me as like, I felt like I was doing a good job and the kids 476 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,800 were happy. It's funny how it's always the 477 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,880 moments of just kind of pure connection with the children. 478 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,480 Do you know what I mean? It's like, are some of my 479 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,720 highlights, could I look back and like find some highlights 480 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,280 where the data was good? Honestly, I probably could say, 481 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,960 Oh yeah, this year, every year. Yeah, because the the data was 482 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,880 really good this year and it was better than average or whether 483 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,320 like, but they're not really like proper highlights to me. 484 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:16,960 They're they're cool things. We, you know, you can say, oh, 485 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,600 that was good. It's a result of what you do 486 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:19,600 day-to-day. It's nice. 487 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,280 Yeah, right. It's not what you're hanging 488 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:22,360 your hat on, is it? No. 489 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,320 When you when you look back on your career, you know what we 490 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:25,840 going. I'm so glad that child got past 491 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,560 that arbitrary threshold. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 492 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,480 But one, one of the ones for me was going to be the the time 493 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,520 that we took all the kids out. We were in the same bubble. 494 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,960 We were it was me and you and yeah, we just let we just let 495 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,160 loose. It was it was so good. 496 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,920 And I even remember 11 just very tiny moment. 497 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,360 This is just like a thing for me and you just add to this story, 498 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:46,640 right was when all the kids were playing basketball and and I 499 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,920 jokingly or I can't remember who went first now, but one of. 500 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:49,640 Us. No, you went. 501 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:50,560 First it was me. It was me. 502 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,360 I went first. I was like, yeah, look at me. 503 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:54,400 And you know how as a teacher, we just you always like you do 504 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,720 things pretending to be cool. And if they, if they, it 505 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,440 happened one in 100 times, they work. 506 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,200 You pretend that that was you just, yeah, great. 507 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,480 I just from like half court just lobbed the basketball over the 508 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,200 back of my head and it went in and everyone was like, and then 509 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,040 you came along and also did it like first time. 510 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,000 And it was insane because everyone was like, what? 511 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,520 As if they've just done this And the kids were just so happy and 512 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:16,680 so high. And then they played basketball 513 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,000 for like 3 hours because they were just, they just wanted to 514 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,720 play basketball. And I was like, this is cool. 515 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,920 Just like every day when we because we did our little 516 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,760 bubble, we're in for the week, weren't we? 517 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,280 I think. And every day. 518 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,080 And then they'd obviously we'd spend as much time outside as 519 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,360 possible because this was in COVID times. 520 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,000 Yeah. And I'd just make up a game. 521 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,200 Yeah, just make up a game would be complete nonsense. 522 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:35,880 And I felt like I was 12 again in my own garden. 523 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:36,480 And some of those. Yeah. 524 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:37,880 Yeah. I'd make up a game that was 525 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,920 completely arbitrary. And I was like, oh, it's five 526 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,680 points to be behind this random line, but if you do it past that 527 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:43,960 line, then your name's Bob. Yeah. 528 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,400 Like complete nonsense. But if you park all around this 529 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,400 wall and land in the handstand, you can actually get 100. 530 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:49,560 Points for that? Yeah, exactly. 531 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:50,040 What? Sorry, what? 532 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,920 Yeah, completely arbitrary nonsense, but it was so fun and 533 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,240 it it, to me, it just went to show that like, you know, there 534 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,480 are more important things for sure. 535 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,040 And obviously part of our job is really important of basic 536 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,080 numeracy and reading and stuff, but there is a line somewhere 537 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,480 where actually the kids can just be kids, please. 538 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,760 But definitely my highlights were those moments for sure. 539 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,920 I've got, I've got two other highlights. 1 is on in respect 540 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:12,880 of that. It's just a funny one. 541 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,600 It was actually demolishing all the children at laser tag that I 542 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,360 took. I took a year six class once. 543 00:20:18,360 --> 00:20:20,120 The laser tag is like a reward paintballing thing. 544 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,960 Obviously I played as well, yeah, like paintballing and 545 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,680 absolutely did not hold back whatsoever. 546 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,520 So yeah, I was proud, proud to be the victor of that one. 547 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,400 But the other one, more wholesome, is. 548 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,560 What, you'd struggle to not get more wholesome than completely 549 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,360 destroying the enjoyment for the kid? 550 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:36,280 Kids thinking I'm going to have a nice day at laser tag. 551 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,840 Let's see who wins. Oh, it's Mr Steven to beat us 552 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,160 by. Five times he's just done 553 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,560 another front roll, forward roll and he's hurt his back. 554 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,440 He's broken his hip. He's still going. 555 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,840 He has. He has just got me precisely on 556 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,160 my little laser bit. Same class. 557 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:57,120 Funnily enough, it was a girl who she was just the sweetest 558 00:20:57,120 --> 00:21:01,200 soul, such such a kind girl and she struggled with learning and 559 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,520 like it was E 6 and she desperately, desperately, 560 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,320 desperately wanted to get expected in maths. 561 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,520 And I know we shouldn't go out of the standards, but like for 562 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:10,640 her. It's all I want. 563 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,880 But she really, really, really wanted to prove herself. 564 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,040 And that's that's fine. And which is fine, genuinely for 565 00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:17,680 like for her, like she'd never genuinely never got expected in 566 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:18,360 an assessment. Before. 567 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:20,520 Don't you think that says more about her journey through school 568 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,280 and what's like? It does like. 569 00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:24,000 Let's just make that before anyone gets annoyed. 570 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,160 I was talking about this whole. Some story I agree the the 571 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,040 expected thing was almost just literally just a way that 572 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,680 existed that she could measure something of it like improvement 573 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,600 she wanted to she hadn't got it before and she just wanted to 574 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:38,040 get it right in maths and she. Got she got two in the end she 575 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:39,400 got two really like never spoke to her. 576 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:40,440 Again, never spoke to her again, no. 577 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,520 But anyway, I saw her out and about she so I'm skipping ahead 578 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,120 to find a story. She got expected in so her in 579 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:48,640 her sats results she. Quite an important by that. 580 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,000 Story She just got expected and she was like genuinely over the 581 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,360 moon. Like I remember her and her mum 582 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:57,440 like almost in tears. And then I saw her like 2-3 583 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,240 maybe four years later. This was a while back now out 584 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,520 and about in like a local shopping centre. 585 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,440 And she did not hesitate to just stop whatever she was doing and 586 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,880 ran over with her mum to just have a conversation with me and 587 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,320 speak to me. And like she was beaming. 588 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,800 And I don't know, it was just something about that moment 589 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,440 where I was like, this is so special and so nice. 590 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,880 The fact that whatever we did together in that class and for 591 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,760 that one year, I went off and did another class and another 592 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,440 class, another class. And you've taught thousands of 593 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,880 kids for her, that was a special time. 594 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,480 And she felt achieved. And she went on to feel like she 595 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,120 could do maths and, and she was successful and then wanted to 596 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:31,120 come and have a conversation with me like in, in a random 597 00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:33,320 place where she could have easily just walked past and go, 598 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,320 oh look, it was Mr Stevens over. There, which is what you were 599 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,320 trying to do, you'd see him I. Was like Oh no I've just been 600 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,360 caught by another kid who loves me. 601 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,440 I haven't got time. The 4th 1:00 today. 602 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,760 God, goodness me should keep filming. 603 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,800 Yeah, keep filming. But that, to me, like sits in my 604 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,720 brain as what I've loved about this job. 605 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,280 Definitely, absolutely. And As for outside, I don't know 606 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,920 if this means education, but outside or not like, yeah, I 607 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,920 don't know if you really deep what we've done in the last year 608 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:03,200 or two with this podcast, it's easy to like kind of forget what 609 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,440 would like realistically like we've we've done quite a bit in 610 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,760 terms of meeting amazing people who are also in the space 611 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,640 working on the mass platform we're working on right now maths 612 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:18,000 to just it. I feel quite, very, very lucky 613 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,920 to be fair that it's kind of worked out for us. 614 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:20,880 Definitely. Even even. 615 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,680 You're probably thinking it even recently we went to the National 616 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,040 Literacy Trust Gala in London and we're invited with the 617 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,920 Premier League. Like, that was pretty cool. 618 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:28,960 Yeah, that was. Sweet. 619 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,800 I had dinner with Cresta Cowell. Yeah. 620 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,920 Hi, Cresta. She was so nice. 621 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,120 She was so lovely. She signed up. 622 00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:36,240 Books and stuff filled with people like, you know, Julia 623 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,280 Donaldson was there. Yeah. 624 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,240 Axel Scheffler was on this on the stage sketching. 625 00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:43,640 I've got a 2 year old son. Do you like this is like the 626 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,000 equivalent of me seeing Sir Alex Ferguson being like the biggest 627 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,400 thing in the world. So yeah, things like that. 628 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,560 It is crazy. Do I have to pinch ourselves 629 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:53,520 sometimes? And we've got some really 630 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,280 exciting stuff coming up. So how much? 631 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,800 We're very exciting, but it's going to be. 632 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,440 Nah, let's not. Let's. 633 00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:59,520 Tease them. Let's tease them. 634 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:00,840 Exciting things coming up. Let's. 635 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,720 Scroll to the 4th slide and find out what that sick thing is. 636 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,880 I'm not bitter about it, stupid. Trick to you, funny enough, 637 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,080 leads nicely into our next question. 638 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,080 Go on, Having left teaching, when do you think you'll be far 639 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,280 enough away from the job to not justify doing a podcast about 640 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,720 it? That is. 641 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,960 We got to send something, do we? Yeah, go on, we get to send 642 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:22,760 stuff. All the time. 643 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,840 But we got to send something today in our WhatsApp community, 644 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,640 which you can join down below about someone else who's, how 645 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,400 can I say, prominent in the space, talking about how they're 646 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,120 fed up of teacher podcasts or teaching podcasts, not including 647 00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:37,320 teachers in them. Yeah, yeah. 648 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,160 Current teachers not. Yeah, like not being in podcasts 649 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,080 or if it says it's teaching podcasts and it should have 650 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,960 teachers in it, etcetera. And obviously, I mean, like the 651 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,760 person sitting here says, oh, here you go guys. 652 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,240 Like look at this. Because everyone knows we, we 653 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:51,720 left the classroom last September. 654 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,680 But like, I don't know what, what do you, what's your gut 655 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,080 instinct about? Like just in general, do you 656 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,800 think there'll be a point where we're like what we can't 657 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,120 possibly talk about anymore? No, I like, I did it for 10 658 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:02,920 years. I haven't just forgotten that. 659 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:04,800 And we talked about earlier, like when I said you haven't 660 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,440 just forgotten what the ECT journey is like. 661 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:07,720 Don't give yourself that cop out. 662 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,160 It doesn't work the other way. Yeah. 663 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,960 I'm going to spend 10 years of my life teaching. 664 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,040 I know it quite well. Of course, I think it's less 665 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,880 about time and more genuinely about just what actually 666 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,200 changes. For example, there's two 667 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,480 situations the same five years, honestly, nothing changes, 668 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,360 right? I'd I'd feel pretty confident I 669 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:24,520 can still talk about it. And we obviously have guests on 670 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,720 the things all the time. And we work in education ground 671 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,080 and are in school. We were in a school last week. 672 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,720 We're in. Schools, we're not, we're not 673 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,360 just away from the classroom because we're not a classroom 674 00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:34,960 teacher completely. But I do think there is some 675 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,160 merit in if over time, if loads and loads of things change and 676 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,320 the experience of being a classroom teacher is 677 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,280 significantly different to what I experienced. 678 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,120 I think some of you could justify the idea that it's like, 679 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:50,240 of course my opinions are not as valid as there is if they've 680 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,120 been teaching the whole five years. 681 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,480 Yeah. So I do think there's some truth 682 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:57,080 in it, but I don't think it is as cutthroat as like, the second 683 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,200 you leave the classroom, you're now so invalid you can't even 684 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,480 talk about the experience of being a teacher, including 685 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,520 getting people on that still teach, including going into 686 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,800 schools yourself. But you're not a class. 687 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,680 Yeah, it doesn't count anymore. Let's be realistic. 688 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,960 In three years of doing this podcast, we probably had 10 689 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,600 different guests. It's not like we get people on 690 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,760 all that's true. Oh, we're getting someone on. 691 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,080 We're probably not, are we? That's good. 692 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,680 We. Had two guests the last two 693 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,080 weeks. We did have guests, so therefore 694 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,320 I can pretend that that's always the. 695 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,000 Case yeah, I don't know, I I, I struggle with it a bit because I 696 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:28,280 think also I think people don't really understand that when you 697 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,680 build your base of people, like we've got a huge following, very 698 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,200 grateful people. Lots of people listen to this 699 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,040 podcast. They only listen to it because 700 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,640 they relate to it and it's good. Yeah, right. 701 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,440 So it's not like, oh, they're tricking, but no, no, people are 702 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:41,880 enjoying it. That's why it grows and that's 703 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,320 why reels do well and that's why because it's relatable still. 704 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,160 So it's like it's not relatable anymore. 705 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,360 Well, it is. I'm not being funny. 706 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:51,320 Like I don't listen. People stop listening. 707 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:52,760 And if anything, we've grown since we left. 708 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,480 I think there there's a couple of things. 709 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:57,600 One is if you're pretending to be a teacher when you're not. 710 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,040 I absolutely agree that that's just ridiculous. 711 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,400 We've never ever done that No, we've we said we've done post 712 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,640 about the literal most listened 2 episode is the one where we 713 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,160 said we have quit teaching. It couldn't be more black and 714 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,960 white, plain in your face. Yeah. 715 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,360 And we regularly reference the fact that we've. 716 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:13,280 Left and if you literally listen to the episode, it's not it's 717 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,880 not a way out. Oh yeah, I had a good maths 718 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,200 session this week doing the numeracy. 719 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,520 Yeah, yeah, they did the letters L No, it didn't. 720 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,440 It wasn't any class I wasn't teaching. 721 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,480 And then. Do numeracy in school anymore? 722 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,720 Numeracy. Oh God, I read about it. 723 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,960 The, the other thing was about, you know, there are some people 724 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,320 out there and by the way, bear in mind we don't teach at all 725 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,240 and we do teach podcasts or education all the time. 726 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,040 So I clearly think that's OK. There are people out there who 727 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,080 have very, very, very, very, very small timetables or work 728 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,360 part time or do a bit of teaching every now and then that 729 00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:47,320 is, is consistent. And they can still say, I'm a 730 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,880 teacher, I do this. But is there a line then? 731 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,680 Like is it just, it's all fair game? 732 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,720 You, you know what you're talking about until it's 0. 733 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,960 If you're in for half a day a week, that's fine. 734 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,240 You're as you, you've got as much knowledge as someone who's 735 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,360 working full time or someone who's working nought .8 or 736 00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:04,000 someone who's working nought .4. Or you work in the independent 737 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,680 sector in a private school. You don't work in a public 738 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,040 school, so you can only talk about that. 739 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,560 Oh, and you've gone to teach abroad and then you teach in a 740 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:09,960 different country, so you can only teach about that. 741 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,080 You can't possibly talk about this, this system now because 742 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,320 you're not actually in there. I, I think we all agree that if 743 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,200 we're going to have some weird line, then you have to be really 744 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,280 strict about it and where you're going to put your line. 745 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,600 And if your line is just, if you are completely out the 746 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:22,800 classroom, you shouldn't be talking about it. 747 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,960 But if you're 1 toe in it, then it's fine. 748 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,360 That seems ridiculous. Yeah, that one, that one seems 749 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:28,880 the most crazy to me. I think it's just, yeah, it's 750 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,680 just flexible, isn't it? It depends on the context of 751 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:31,640 what you're talking about as well. 752 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,240 Exactly. OK, let's say you are half a day 753 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,200 a week in a school and like there are there are obviously a 754 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,840 lot of things that you can still talk about. 755 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,720 You're literally still part of that school community regardless 756 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,640 of how much you're in there. But it there might be some 757 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,200 topics that you don't feel as as quick to talk about after over 758 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,560 time, I don't know. But if you work in a school in a 759 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,880 different country, the same thing happens. 760 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,680 It's just different contexts that, OK, you might feel really 761 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,560 confident talking about certain aspects of the job, but also now 762 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,440 you don't work in any UK school. So there are some parts that you 763 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,400 just, I don't know if you think there's this line, then OK, then 764 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,080 you're saying that you can't talk about these things anymore. 765 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,160 I actually think we can all talk about everything genuinely. 766 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,480 And, and I to answer this question, I still stand by what 767 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,160 I said in terms of, I think there is a risk of some drop off 768 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,600 of understanding, knowledge of, of not living and breathing, 769 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,960 being a classroom teacher, if it changes over time, which it 770 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,120 will, which it will. But I, I really, really like 771 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,520 strongly do not believe that by being an unlimited timetable or 772 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,920 coming out of class, I mean, you can no longer talk about it 773 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,160 doesn't make any sense. I think the public can talk 774 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,880 about education and I think they should have opinions. 775 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,920 And then they work in schools in any capacity. 776 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:33,840 They've never worked in a school. 777 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,560 Like we're talking about people that don't, but I think they 778 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,840 should have opinions. It's a public service. 779 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,080 So yeah, my 10 years does actually equip me quite well to 780 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,880 talk about it pretty pretty effectively. 781 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,160 And I think I do agree though, like if you're pretending, then 782 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,000 that's. The pretending 1 is definitely 783 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,360 right. I think people that why are you 784 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:53,120 doing that if you're just lying? Lying is different to having an 785 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,040 opinion on something. It's like having a podcast 786 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,600 called A Teach that you repeat when you don't do one of them. 787 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,920 Do you think do we need to change it? 788 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,120 No, I'm not changing it. I think we should. 789 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,360 No, I teach her every week on how to have a good argument. 790 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,720 There you go. So yeah, let's go to the next 791 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:10,200 one. Cool. 792 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,320 If Ofsted are in and they see a student on a mobile phone, 793 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,280 should they automatically be placed in urgent attention in an 794 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,800 area? And if so, which one? 795 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,280 Now this, I think, I think this question was from someone I've 796 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,640 spoken to death about this before. 797 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,960 And it's interesting because obviously there are lots of 798 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,320 people who understand dangerous smartphones and social media and 799 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,720 how it can be really distracting in class. 800 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,880 But the point, the wider point here as well is like, basically, 801 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,040 whose fault is it? You know, if if a child is seen 802 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,720 in an off state inspector with their phone out in lesson, yeah. 803 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,160 Should that be an indicator somehow that the school is 804 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,080 failing and it's down to the school or is it just the 805 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,160 individual person they should be sanctioned that it's obviously 806 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,680 not school's fault? I think it's really interesting 807 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,080 question. It's a very interesting question 808 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,120 because based on everything we've ever talked about in this 809 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,000 in this field, we've always established that no matter what 810 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,720 rules are in place, there will always be a child who pushes the 811 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:03,920 rules and breaks the rules. Yeah. 812 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,320 So like, you can't actually have 100% control. 813 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,640 No, but of a situation that's I completely agree with that. 814 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,840 And then like my, my, my gut instinct here is that obviously 815 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,520 not you shouldn't be put into urgent attention with one child 816 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:16,720 on their phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 817 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,800 There's not it's not even, it's not even the law that schools 818 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,360 have to ban. It's like very, very strong 819 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,600 guidance, right. So, so I think that's too much, 820 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,920 but I, I, I kind of get it because OK, Ofsted go in and 821 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,240 this is not, I'm not equating these things, but I'm just 822 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,760 saying, is there a point where what a child does reflects on 823 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,680 the school Ofsted go in, a child's got a knife. 824 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,440 Should there be something in the school like where you're like, 825 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,480 actually, obviously this needs urgent attention. 826 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,240 How on earth has a child got a knife into the school? 827 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,120 So what's leadership doing? So the other part of this 828 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,560 question is, if so, which area is it? 829 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,680 Behaviour? Behaviour is an area. 830 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,520 And could you say that if you're on your phone not listening to 831 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,760 your teacher? Well, behaviour is an issue, 832 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,920 behaviour inherently. Is it going to be judged on what 833 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,960 the children are doing or should it be judged on what things you 834 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,160 have in place and how you implement them? 835 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,360 That seems more fair to me. Yeah, I get it. 836 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,040 And I wouldn't even put that, I wouldn't even put the individual 837 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,320 behaviours of a child in Austin inspection as means to mark 838 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,560 someone as bad for behaviour because you can't control that. 839 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,440 No, what you can control as a school is your policies and your 840 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,520 implementation. And obviously that leadership 841 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,840 comes into it as well. Safeguarding comes into it as 842 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,320 well. And I think the act of a child 843 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,960 having the mobile phone itself should not be putting you into 844 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,440 urgent attention. However, if there's a 845 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,000 lackadaisical approach to it and leadership are like, yeah, kids 846 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,480 do that sometimes and they well, what you going to do then that 847 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,960 would urgently require. Attention, that's what I'm 848 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,440 thinking. I was literally imagining like 849 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,640 the 2 ends of the spectrum in my head here of like 2 schools 850 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,720 imagine. But in both contexts, the offset 851 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:41,960 inspector has seen a child on their phone. 852 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,520 It's just exactly the same situation, right? 853 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,680 But in one school, they have like like layers and layers of 854 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,320 policies of, of ways that they're trying to combat this. 855 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,640 And, and it's just happens to be that that child has just really 856 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,280 broken all the rules and they've been very sneaky and but 857 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,440 naughty. And in another school, they just 858 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,320 don't have any of these policies. 859 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,040 And all they do is say to the kids put them away. 860 00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,840 But that's as far as they go. They don't really have anything 861 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,600 top down. It's inconsistent across the 862 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,960 school. The idea of banding them both as 863 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,080 the same thing is absurd to me because they're not the same 864 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,560 thing, but the trigger is the same in both of them. 865 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,480 And, and an offset inspector would have seen the same thing. 866 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,400 So that's why I completely agree. 867 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,280 Like the actions of an individual child on the 868 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,600 inspection can't be what's driving because then it really 869 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,960 is a lottery. It really is a lottery because 870 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,960 we've worked in fantastic schools where things have 871 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,720 happened where in isolation, if you took no context whatsoever 872 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,160 and you wanted to be that dismissive of it against the 873 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,680 school, the school could absolutely be brandished as, Oh 874 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,120 my gosh, this is the worst thing in the world. 875 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,440 Well, no, because we reacted in a certain way and we put things 876 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,320 in place that it wouldn't happen, but it still did. 877 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,760 But that, that has to be, that has to have room for that. 878 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,640 And like just even like maybe a slightly wider point to this. 879 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,120 If, if it takes a student being seen on their mobile phone by an 880 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,360 often inspector to, for that to make them think about whether 881 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,200 they should check if there's a policy that just already already 882 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,040 seems weird. And I'm like, they should 883 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,040 already be doing this anyway. Like the it's almost like that 884 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,360 shouldn't be the trigger. I, I know it sounds what I said, 885 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,040 but like, I think, I think because it's such a big thing 886 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,160 anyway, like as I've said, I should already be looking really 887 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,120 at what the safeguarding policies are, what policies are 888 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,520 there are behaviour and already thinking to themselves. 889 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,560 We know that social media and phones are a massive thing in 890 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,880 secondary schools. I probably would have already at 891 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,600 some point thought about this and looked at it like, I find 892 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:18,719 that weird. They go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, 893 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,159 whoa, that's a praise. Sorry, you've got kids. 894 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:22,840 Do your kids have phones in this school? 895 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,159 One of them is on it. What are you doing? 896 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:25,480 Right. I need to bring up, you know, 897 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,520 urgent attention. What are you doing about mobile 898 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,199 phones? Because I've just seen one and 899 00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:30,760 I'm worried because the last three schools didn't see any. 900 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,040 They didn't think. About it. 901 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,480 So you're talking to a brick. Oh. 902 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,840 God, God, you've got my mobile phone, kid. 903 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:39,880 You're playing Snake. I'm going to put the school down 904 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,280 for a safeguarding policy because a kid stole my phone, 905 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,480 the awesome inspector and started. 906 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,400 Using the iCloud unlocked on the table? 907 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,800 Well, what are you going to do? Excuse me, sorry, that child in 908 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,800 there in your class has got unrestricted access to the 909 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,960 Internet and no one's monitoring them. 910 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,280 That's your phone. You're on YouTube reels watching 911 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,240 brain rot. My brain rot. 912 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,000 I'm messing up my algorithm. God right? 913 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,040 I'm going to come and do this one then. 914 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,520 So what do you think about SLT and its non teaching leaders who 915 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,720 share an office having their own fridge and kettle so they don't 916 00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:12,200 have to enter the star from with the others? 917 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,080 OK, it's just a bit weird. It's a bit weird, a bit of a red 918 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,280 flag, isn't it? Because it you know, OK, I'm 919 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,240 trying to think of the reasons why you might do this space. 920 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:25,880 You might think, oh, do you know what? 921 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,400 Let's just let's just spread this out a bit. 922 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,640 But the, the way it's like a small group of people who are 923 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,080 also the leaders of the school being separate to the rest of 924 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,600 the school feels like a power dynamic and almost like we can't 925 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,840 mix with them because that would mean, you know, our downtime, 926 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,440 we'd have to go and see them. And I want to maintain this it 927 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,880 aura of I'm the leader and what I say goes. 928 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,360 It feels a bit like they're trying to preserve that rather 929 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,520 than can actually just exist as a human being, which which 930 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,920 involves just mixing with people. 931 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,560 Potentially, I think it's easy to jump into the on the bam. 932 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,040 I'm going to be like, oh, it's because like the worst reasons 933 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,560 possible. But I did 3-4. 934 00:35:58,560 --> 00:35:59,880 I did start. No, no, I know, I know. 935 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,560 I'm just saying I'm almost thinking from this perspective 936 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,920 really because like the the question is already posed in 937 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,760 that way of like so they don't have to enter the start from 938 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:06,880 with the others. Like do we know that? 939 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,160 Do we know that for sure? Is it easy? 940 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,200 So they don't have to enter the start from with others as in 941 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,320 like is it implying? Are we implying here that 942 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,320 because they why else want to because they didn't want to 943 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,760 think? I don't know why else would you 944 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,360 think I'm actually going to get a cat in the fridge here when 945 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,360 there's a cat in the fridge there? 946 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,360 Like you would only do that so you don't have to go in there. 947 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,760 Yeah, sure, but the reasons might not be bad. 948 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,280 But there but it is only so you don't have to go in there. 949 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,200 Yeah, I suppose so. I suppose it doesn't. 950 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,320 Yeah, objectively it doesn't make sense. 951 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,280 I guess I was already adding an implication in that question 952 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,360 that. Your own bias coming through, is 953 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,600 it? I don't think we should be the 954 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,480 bias that I'm. I'm attributing to this myself. 955 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:37,680 Yeah, yeah, it's true. It's true. 956 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,560 I have actually absolutely done that because it doesn't actually 957 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,600 suggest that all. But I was assuming they're 958 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,080 saying like oh, because they think they're better than. 959 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,640 US but but like if it's if that fridge in that kettle was for 960 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,840 everyone because I'm just spreading the load out a bit so 961 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,840 it's not really busy in the in the staff room, then that would 962 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,000 make complete sense. But it's not specifically for 963 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,640 SRT who are in that office so that they don't have to go into 964 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,080 the staff room. Like that is the only reason 965 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,560 they do that in that small little office. 966 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,880 It's not to spread the load as it could just be for everyone. 967 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,640 It's just so they can not go in there. 968 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,640 And I think it to me it's a bit like. 969 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,600 Yeah, odd. I'm trying to think of the 970 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:10,960 reasons. I'm trying to think why someone 971 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,480 would do it. The only reasons I can think of 972 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,760 other than the one the obvious ones of like they just don't 973 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,200 want to, they don't want to mingle with the staff is they 974 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,120 don't, they don't want to go in there because they think they 975 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,760 might get asked questions and they want to avoid them. 976 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,840 Well, that's exactly what you that's not different. 977 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,320 That's the same reason as what you just said, no? 978 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,680 No, no, not necessarily because I just not Ming to the staff. 979 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,000 It's just a power thing of like, oh, I'm too. 980 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,720 I'm too good to be. Right, because because of that, 981 00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:32,000 because they don't want they want to maintain that aura and 982 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,360 not like go on the level of like, oh, like they'll come to 983 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,120 Pally where they feel like people can ask them those kind 984 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,120 of questions. Well, I don't think it's. 985 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,640 Kind of the same thing. I mean, it's literally just like 986 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,800 just avoidance of like, oh, that I know that person's going to 987 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,200 chase me up on this thing and I haven't done it. 988 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,520 So if I just don't go in the room then I can avoid those kind 989 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:46,480 of things. Maybe. 990 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,640 Yeah, yeah. The other one is if it's literal 991 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,400 physical space, which seems ridiculous to me. 992 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,240 Like if it's like, oh, it's the other end of the building. 993 00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:54,760 That seems a bit of a stretch. And the last one is, and the 994 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,040 only one I can think of that could possibly be a, a positive 995 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,520 thinking about our own SRT from the past is that they like 996 00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:04,840 providing like a safe space for teachers and other staff where 997 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,600 they can just feel like they can talk about whether they want and 998 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,480 not feel like they've got SLT breathing over their shoulder 999 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:09,640 and listening into that conversation. 1000 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:10,920 What's that got to do with where we worked? 1001 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,400 Because I felt like we mingled a lot. 1002 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,360 No, we did, but I know there were certain situations, 1003 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,160 particularly when it comes to like staff nights and things 1004 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,160 where our SLT would purposely make a point of, oh, separate to 1005 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,160 this example, not this example, yeah. 1006 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,120 But like, because our SLT would share the staff, remember? 1007 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,440 They would, they would. Yeah, sorry, I should have made 1008 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,760 that really clear. But the the the concept of SLT 1009 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,560 thinking, I want to give my staff space where I'm not there 1010 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,680 so they can just be comfortable talking or even moaning about 1011 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,040 stuff where I'm just not constantly not constantly at 1012 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,360 risk of me being around. I can understand that thought 1013 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,320 training, but but that's it. I can't read like that's the 1014 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,440 extent of my reasoning on that one. 1015 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,920 I don't. I think it's probably more 1016 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,640 likely that it's a negative thing and they're like, it's 1017 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,480 like a power thing. But yeah, I don't know. 1018 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,760 It's a bit strange, isn't it? Well, let's do the last 1019 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,760 question. What is your favourite thing you 1020 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,200 have started doing or noticed since leaving in the classroom? 1021 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,920 Like something you hadn't anticipated but you love? 1022 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,000 Oh. Spending time with my child. 1023 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:00,960 I didn't. I didn't. 1024 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,200 You didn't anticipate that. No, I was like, I can't believe 1025 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,200 that this is nice. I can't believe this is a good 1026 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,880 thing to do. I actually quite like not having 1027 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,840 to repeat myself 64 times before 9:00 AM. 1028 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,200 That's I quite like that is. That true with your son because 1029 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,880 I feel like I repeat myself a lot before. 1030 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,680 Worry, no, no we can't. We can't have our 54th Weetabix 1031 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,840 of the morning and actually we're eating 7 bananas in a row 1032 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:23,560 is not good for. You. 1033 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:24,960 Is he still in this two banana phase? 1034 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,720 Yeah, 100 percent, 100% every morning. 1035 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,400 So every single morning when he gets up, he's excited when it's 1036 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,920 me getting him up because he knows that we can get 2 bananas. 1037 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,720 Whereas Lauren's a bit more like sensible, sensible baby. 1038 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:42,400 So Rory will get up and if I go into his room he'll go Nana on 1039 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,960 the sofa, Nana on the sofa, 2 Nana on the sofa. 1040 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,920 I'm like, come on, let's go. We'll share the Nana. 1041 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,000 No, Rory, not share the Nana. 2 Nana on the sofa. 1042 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,480 And we go down some days where I'm like, I'll just pick off 1 1043 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,320 banana and he'll just go no, no, two Nana, 2 Nana. 1044 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,280 So we get 2 nanas and then he goes on the other sofa because 1045 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:02,520 we've got the other sofa in the front room. 1046 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:03,840 He wants to sit on a specific sofa. 1047 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,120 He sits down and he eats his two nanas and then he has a bit of 1048 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,040 Weetabix. And that's his, that's his 1049 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,720 breakfast. And he is. 1050 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,160 There's been days where we've forgotten to get an honour. 1051 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,720 Oh dear. And we've ran out of them and. 1052 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:19,080 Meltdown. Not good. 1053 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,320 Anyway, we digress Yeah, his favourite thing you started 1054 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,800 doing notice it, Steve in the classroom is. 1055 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,000 I don't know, I guess this is ridiculous. 1056 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,040 And I, you know, you know, I love teaching and I think, I 1057 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,840 still think I'll go back to teaching one day, but not being 1058 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,960 genuinely exhausted at the. Yeah, I was going to go there 1059 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,600 is. Is insane and people were 1060 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,960 listening to this going oh it's all right for these guys guys 1061 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,960 I'm just talking to you as a human being who's done this job 1062 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,920 and I'm saying that you you are right when you when you talk 1063 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,600 about how exhausted you are at the end of the week it's not 1064 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,360 made-up because I've seen the other option which is just not 1065 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,600 being that and you don't have to feel that way and it's insane do 1066 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,640 we work hard Yeah. Do we work long hours yeah. 1067 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,320 But it but it is indescribable what being a classroom teacher 1068 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,520 actually does mentally and physically to you because it is 1069 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,840 exhausting. Yeah, I, I agree. 1070 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,880 I agree. And kind of in the same vein, 1071 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,440 weekends just having weekends again, like my weekends are so 1072 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,560 true, really quite straightforward now in terms of 1073 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,960 it is very established in our household that it's like, oh, 1074 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,000 the weekend we just, we stopped working now we actually just 1075 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,800 spend time together and that wasn't a thing you take for 1076 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,880 granted like that was not a thing like the weekends. 1077 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,400 Although in teaching, it varied for a start across my career in 1078 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,920 terms of how much my weekends are impacted. 1079 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,480 Also, I was always thinking about it. 1080 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,960 But even if I did have a weekend where I didn't do any work or 1081 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,960 did a very limited amount of work, I was always thinking 1082 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,920 about the work I have to do, like constantly on my mind that 1083 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,520 I can, I can actually separate that now. 1084 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,160 So even though again, I wanna make it really clear we put in 1085 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,120 shifts across the week now like we work hard and we spend a lot 1086 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,400 of time in on Monday to Friday working cost a year on lots of 1087 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,480 stuff every week. But when it gets to the weekend, 1088 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,760 I genuinely feel like I can be like look, shut that off So 1089 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,840 true. I hadn't noticed that I did that 1090 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,480 and only retrospectively again because it becomes your new 1091 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,960 normal, doesn't it? Oh sorry, this says only things 1092 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,960 you've noticed so you can't talk about this Actually sorry sorry 1093 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,120 I didn't mean to go. I'm not stipple for the rules 1094 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,280 and if you say you've started noticing if. 1095 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,360 You'd like me to talk more about this? 1096 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,120 Please send in the question about things I haven't noticed. 1097 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,120 I'm going to stop there. I totally threw you off there, 1098 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,880 sorry. No, I can't talk about it. 1099 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:28,640 It's. Fine. 1100 00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:30,560 Oh, it has a you hadn't anticipated. 1101 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,440 Oh yeah, no. I love. 1102 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like being in complete control 1103 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,520 of my time. Yeah, I like being in complete 1104 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:38,800 control of my time. That's a good way of getting 1105 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:39,880 around it because I had noticed that. 1106 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:40,800 Yeah. Where? 1107 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:42,920 Yeah. You know, if we want to work 1108 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,040 from 8:00 AM till till, you know, 4:00 PM, then have the 1109 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,760 kids and, and, and see them and do stuff with them and then work 1110 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,280 from 7:00 till 10. We can if we want to do that. 1111 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,720 But it's, it's just so much, so much more chilled out. 1112 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,760 And if you're in teaching, please don't think that this is 1113 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,160 normal. It's not normal when people say, 1114 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,960 Oh, everyone works hard. I'm absolutely sure loads of 1115 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,200 people work hard. But it, it don't let that 1116 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,360 diminish what you're actually going through because obviously 1117 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,320 there are some jobs that are more tiring than others. 1118 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,280 And until you actually are in the job doing it. 1119 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,800 And as we have stepped out of it, only then do I realise, I 1120 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,080 mean, always go back to the person I trained with, Paul, who 1121 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,680 had a whole career before going into teaching. 1122 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,600 We did our APGC together and he was in his 40s. 1123 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,800 Yep. And he went into school and he 1124 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,080 was like, he knew that everyone, the group, small group we were 1125 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,920 with, we, we all basically gone straight into it. 1126 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,640 And he, he said to us all repeatedly, I was like, guys, 1127 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,520 you've got, you've got to know this is not normal. 1128 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,400 This is not a normal amount of work. 1129 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:38,680 This is not a normal amount of stress. 1130 00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:41,320 This is he was an engineer. Yeah, he did a physical, he was. 1131 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,840 A physical labour engineer and he said that it was not 1132 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,840 comparable in terms of the the the burnout and the workload and 1133 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,360 everything he has to do despite all the holidays and etcetera. 1134 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,920 Everyone wants to say. So when you listen to people 1135 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,760 who've done both, they invariably say teaching is 1136 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,240 ridiculously hard. So don't listen to the to to 1137 00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:02,960 what Andrew on Instagram who's 57 with a picture of a 1138 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,240 motorbike, who's never done a day of working and teaching in 1139 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,480 his life, who thinks that he's got it hard like and he wants to 1140 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,440 detriment you. He might have it hard, but as 1141 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,600 soon as it goes over to therefore dismissing you and 1142 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,280 something he's never actually done himself, don't spend 2 1143 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:16,840 seconds thinking about it because it's nonsense. 1144 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,280 Yeah, yeah. The problem, the problem is that 1145 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,880 when people go to the absolute, so like the argument becomes, is 1146 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,680 teaching the hardest job in the world or not? 1147 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,280 And then, but sometimes teachers do it, they say this, this is 1148 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:27,840 the hardest job. I actually find that most of the 1149 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,240 time they don't. And people put that implication 1150 00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:30,840 on themselves that teachers are saying they think they have the 1151 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,480 hardest job. They're actually just saying my 1152 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,400 job is really tough and it's stressful. 1153 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,760 It they're not, they're not saying, therefore I've got it 1154 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,320 the worst. Other jobs are as tough, if not 1155 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,120 tougher, right. But in terms of on the scale, it 1156 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,320 is up there though, teaching is utterly, utterly exhausting, 1157 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,520 along with lots of other utterly, utterly exhausting 1158 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,880 jobs. I think the gap between how hard 1159 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,000 it's perceived and how hard it is is actually one of the 1160 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:55,960 biggest. Yeah. 1161 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,320 From teaching, because there's a lot of jobs that are as hard as 1162 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,600 teaching or harder that everyone accepts. 1163 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,920 Oh gosh, yeah, that's hard. Like AC Trawler, they say like, 1164 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,200 Oh my God, that is a hard job. And everyone knows not to do 1165 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,160 that. And we all know that. 1166 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,360 And that is a, let's say it's a 9.5 out of 10 in terms of 1167 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:11,920 hardness. And everyone thinks it's a nine. 1168 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,640 They don't quite get how hard it is. 1169 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,880 It's like a bit more. Whereas teaching, let's just 1170 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,200 say, for argument's sake, I'm not saying it's this for anyone 1171 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,720 that's annoyed. Let's just say it's a 7 out of 1172 00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:21,600 10. Yeah, but most people think it's 1173 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,840 a 2 out of 10. So that okay guys, I'm not 1174 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,480 saying it's as hard as that job that's a 9.5, but you are way 1175 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,840 off in what you understand and it is actually a really hard job 1176 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,440 and you think it's easy. So that discrepancy I think is 1177 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,720 where a lot of this comes from. Definitely assume it's easy I. 1178 00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:37,440 Think that's probably the best way to do it. 1179 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,960 The gap, the gap, the perception gap, The perception gap. 1180 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,560 I love it the. Title of my new book you can get 1181 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,320 on Amazon now. You can't. 1182 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:45,320 I've not. You can't. 1183 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,240 We don't do things to sell. Never read a book. 1184 00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:49,080 We don't do things to sell like a Matthew. 1185 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:53,880 Trial we just stole my joke but. Yeah, that's come along nicely 1186 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,800 after Easter, a lot more trial is so get involved and you know 1187 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,200 it's going to be a free trial in that little bit of time, which 1188 00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:03,200 I'm just whether we like the Sats or not, it's going to be 1189 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,280 fantastic for a room to practise and it's going to be completely 1190 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,600 free that you can just sign up to and just get. 1191 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,080 So no strings attached. So I want to try it. 1192 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,240 It's down below. Sign up for a free demo and come 1193 00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:13,480 and get involved and come and help boost your school's 1194 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,680 arithmetic fluency. We'd be gutted if you took 1195 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,360 advantage of the. First one during those four 1196 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,560 weeks before Aspira. Oh no, we we would be so do it. 1197 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,560 Sad. Anyway, let's finish up there 1198 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:23,360 guys. Thank you so much. 1199 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,160 Please share this with someone you think might find it nice to 1200 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,920 listen to. Useful is what I normally say 1201 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,520 when I do a YouTube video, but that's when I'm teaching 1202 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,280 something. And this is called teacher at 1203 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,080 your pain. We don't do teaching. 1204 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,800 So I actually don't see a fever You. 1205 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,120 Can't do that. I'm never going to do it again. 1206 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,480 So never repeating. See you never.