Hello everyone. Welcome back to another episode
of teach sleep. Repeat, my name is Dylan and my
name is Hayden. We got our new voices on this
week, for the podcast because we've had such a good response
to last week with Sophie. We've made it, we don't have so
far this week, so we need to make it more interesting with
just us two. Again, I think people hate that.
It's just us two. Now, I've got imposter syndrome,
Hayden. How you know?
Wow, nobody cares. What about you?
What about you, dude? Yeah, guess it, which is the
perfect Sophie now? No one cares.
I know, right? Right.
It's it's like the double edged sword.
There of getting an amazing guest on.
It's like the people who look at this one this week and I just
play. Yes, those two.
Can't wait till then my own. Yeah, good job.
We've got like a really quality guest again next week so people
can continue to not care about us even more.
This is just going to slowly evolved into a podcast where
people are who, who deny? But the person I like is
actually on it this week, so I'll give it a listen.
That's all right, for us, still gets that podcast money.
Doesn't it as customers? I would love to clarified
everyone. Maybe start listening later and
stuff. We make absolutely no money.
It's okay that I didn't. The problem is, you're stuck in
the past. I'm thinking of are seeing, you
know, in two years time when we look back at this episode, we're
making podcasts. Money.
Cool. Yeah.
Get like a tenor and get, I don't know what's it called.
You is saying. YouTube skillshare sponsored by
skillshare going to skillshare. Now, put in the code, she sleep.
Repeat hard to get to four percent off.
Sponsored by brilliant dog. Just for context.
I actually got our first email asking us for a sponsorship.
Not the podcast on another of our endeavors with our tutoring
and it was brilliant and we just ignored it for two.
We know nothing about prior to that.
I reply to them and they replied today you know, wanting to
explore this option, a bit more and sponsor our channel.
So but I think you're going to be right there.
Yeah, what you think. But I reckon like, is in my head
I'm like, oh, they're gonna give us like hundreds of pounds to
make some videos and I'd like to mention them in as Sponsor and I
think you're right they're going to be like here's free access to
our website for a month that's like we get it's gonna be
running. Nash modern-day sponsorship,
they see gentlemen, huge huge corporations, preying on the
small hope that they do. So the leg work for them.
Nice one anyway. If the podcast suddenly stops,
you know it's because we're making that big YouTube money,
we've only if anyway, we're here again, it's another week.
Just a quick reflection on last week I had Had so many messages
which Jokes Aside was so nice to hear from people who said Sophie
was just so lovely. And one of the, one of the best
messages I got was from a fellow teacher.
Obviously, if you're in the education world, you may have
heard of Sophie because she does have quite a presence online and
it's quite helpful. But my favorite was from someone
who said I loved, I loved episode of Sophie and you know
what? She was just as lovely as I
thought she was online. I was like, yes, that is exactly
the way to sum up that kind of person who's just so amazing and
over the top. Nice and in such a lovely way.
And then the idea of we sat and spoke to her, probably like an
hour and a half and RN wasn't in total and every single
interaction with her. We had she was just the nicest
person. So really positive experience, I
thought for our first guest I thought was brilliant although
she is still finding it really awkward by the way, she messaged
me yesterday and said still funny.
It really awkward that people are like commented on what she
said in the podcast. She's just like, this is cringe.
We used to it now but she'll get used to it.
She'll be on TV in a timely. Used to it exactly.
Well actually I think that she had a Worried about that.
But maybe when she had her second podcast, she had
something to she did, allude to it too much.
I think she was very much waiting.
I'll wait and see when we're on next on the bottom.
But yeah, we have already recorded our next interview with
someone. We want to say who right now,
but that's kind of next week. So very exciting but Hayden,
we've digressed are. I guess, because we wanted to
reflect on last week and the other viewers like to know.
They want to know the viewers. Love to know because they're a
bit weird. They like to watch a sit in a
chair now, so they definitely want to know the listeners less.
So, but how was your week, pal? I had to know why it's been a
couple of weeks. Really hasn't it.
Since we've actually reflected. It's been a, it's been a weird
one because I got covid for the first time finally, thank God.
And in the nicest way possible, because you are guys won't
believe how much this guy went on.
About our do read covid. I've never expect you to say.
It's a conspiracy of lever, right?
Nice. Not that far, but I was a bit
bummed out because I'm, you know, I felt like I was one of
the last remaining few that hadn't got it at school but I've
had it now. It was really annoying.
Actually coughed for two weeks, straight really frustrating and
I my eyes went red. So I was good fun.
But that low back to the podcast, I did go to a writing
moderation. The other day for your six and
when I went into the moderation, I sat down next to a familiar
face. Not someone.
I know. Well, but someone, you know,
have had interactions with in the past they're like, oh, they
were a bit surprised and said I've listened to all of your all
of your podcast episodes, so that was really nice.
So, cheers, Helena has lovely, cheers.
Keep it up. Just gonna say this is watched
Listen to make sure that she after sitting next to me she
decided she wasn't gonna listen to anymore podcast episodes and
isomer complete fraud. Okay, thank you.
Wow, appreciate that. Have you noticed how that we've
done the podcast? And we have the amazing power to
edit that real life conversations go away their
smoothly, I'm just a mess. I will stop.
Sorry, it ignore what I just said.
I'll cut that out later and what I'm saying was oh, good times.
But other than that, in terms of in school, I think.
You're gonna like this one. It's a math game, obviously kids
so my kids are obsessed, they're assessed with blow dart maths.
They just want me to shoot them with my big meter stick and make
their fault. They get there, they pretend
they pretend to pass out. If they don't ask the question
three seconds, but this time they were like, could you could
you make it a farting stick instead of blow darts take I was
like, no kids. This is ridiculous.
You know, that'd be really mature.
They were laughing at the idea of me like pretending to farts
down It. Oh that.
Yeah, that's really, really immature.
I mean, upload that one. Yeah, exactly.
I was like, do you really think I like, I'm gonna like that
embarrass myself. That much like potential farts
down a meter stick. And like, instead of blowing
that's already bad enough blowing down it, 10 seconds in I
was find out. Stick.
It was hilarious, pretending. Obviously just to make them
laugh. All right, just so that's
important, just to make them laugh.
Really far without I could that be gross, but I did it one time
as a joke, and they were like, that's so funny.
So just wanted a mother so low. I've gone, these are the depths
that we go to guys get our children Mighty, a wasn't it?
But he sure wasn't in the room. Oh no.
No, of course not. Of course though, I didn't if
any any one kind of wandered round you would very quickly,
I'm sure pretend that you're measuring something, she came
back. The next day, she was in my room
that day, she had something else to do came in the next day.
And the kids are like, we do that thing.
It was. All right.
Apparently in front of like that, I could do it.
It's just me but that embarrass me in front of other adults.
Come on. Oh dear.
It's funny.
You should mention times tables though because down in here for
this week, is the multiplication times table.
Check, that is going on. And therefore anyone unfamiliar
with that, the government introduced it, I couldn't
believe this, by the way, this was announced in like 2018, or
like way before covariates long ago, but obviously, because of
the trial run years and covid itself.
It didn't feel like it's really kicked in until last year, and I
felt so we did it last year. We did it again this year.
And I must say, just again for anyone who doesn't know.
It's just a very simple check on the timetable is not a formal
test. It's on the iPad.
You get six seconds per question and they're completely random
times table questions and they get 25 of them.
And the score is recorded the school, get a copy of the score
gets sent home to parents and the idea is that it's just a bit
of accountability, I suppose 4 year, 5 and 6 because the
government expect children in year for to be able to learn all
their times tables, by the end of year for now.
Of course, that doesn't always happen.
Lots of children, do lots of children, don't and the times
table checks just designed as a bit of accountability.
And I've got to say Hayden with a video of the first Army to sit
here and and say, our and slate something that the government
bringing us, they are they do in the classroom, what a load of
rubbish. I actually think that this is
one of the best better things that I've introduced and I think
it's really useful. Then what your opinion is.
Yeah, I don't see the downside of it.
So I think the pressure is not really on because it's actively
not, it's not doesn't on a league table, do you know?
I mean it is literally for the school and they made up.
Claire, this is for you to know where your kids are because the
expectation is that they have learned these by the end of the
year. So use the data as you will and
let the parents know if they're behind or not.
You know. I think it's a very good thing
as well, to be honest of you. Yeah, and I think that's the
important thing I as the teacher administrating, it felt that
there was absolutely no pressure on the children.
Even those children who struggled with the 6 second
time, time time, lapse. That's the biggest thing.
I think that was going to cause the most problem because a lot
of children, I teach kind of have learnt their times tables,
they know strategies there. Kind of count up at least if
they don't know the times table immediately but those those kind
of its to kind of win out those strategies of.
Well, do you have to still sit there and go 6, 12, 18 24,
trying to get all the way up to six times, nine or can you very
quickly work out, six times, ten and kind of work backwards?
Do you have those strategies and I felt?
That's where a lot of children will fall down in this test but
I think there's no pressure there on me as the teacher and
therefore, no pressure on me to pass on to the children.
It is just simply where And I actually think it has been very
successful week, actually? Yeah, nice.
Did you have any interesting stories about your week or just
that one? And that's fine.
Just that one that's actually fine.
I was just no problem. I just wondered viewers and
listeners time. Just just fine.
That's fine. I've actually got an interesting
one. This is really got to live up to
the hype now because it's actually an average story.
But, you know, if you triggered me a, what if I tell you
something? That's I think something like we
were doing any resistance day and it was all about starting
off sentences with adverbials of time because we're doing next.
Patient X and you know how to undo certain tasks and things
and ideas. Firstly, the littler after a few
minutes and then the idea of putting a comma and just make
it, there we go. Please keep going.
I'll get a taste of it but it it anyway it was about chickens
very random all that chickens are laying there.
Are you got me one of my children?
Yep, there we go. What about children, put their
hand up and said we're talking about discussion about where
where the comma should go in a sentence because it was
something like, where the comic could go after the first word
but actually The Clause carries on for a little bit, very
technical speak for anyone at home.
I can't think of the example right now.
It was like, after comma, you could just carry on, but this
was after a few days in an incubation comma and we were
just discussing where that goes anyway.
So, you know, you have a really deep conversation as a teacher
in your shining draw out, you know, all this interesting
questioning and these ideas from the children's.
Okay. Yeah we're do.
You think I might go here because that?
Okay, interesting. They would ask any other ideas.
It could go there and some sentences, but why is it not
going there in this one? What's going?
On. Yes.
And I pointed to one of my lat and he went, I've got something.
What came first? The chicken or the egg.
I know. I bet that completely
distracted. Everyone right.
Okay. Yeah, everyone's everyone's
immediate likes the chicken and and he is it the way it was all
quite interesting, but it seems like no one's ever heard this
question before, I was thinking thinking, they what came first,
the chicken or the egg, and I went just to say one to prompt
him. I went chicken anyway.
Nope, as if you had the answer, All right.
Okay. Sorry you solve this question
of. Yeah.
And as you see I could that's okay.
Well who laid the egg? No one right.
Where did it come from? I don't know if valve from a
dinosaur or something that's okay but it completely Raja like
that. Yeah that chain of evolution
from you know amoeba fish. Dinosaur egg.
Yeah, chicken. Hmm.
Classic. Well, speaking of a give me a
bit of a flashback to today because I was walking across the
playground heading towards my classroom.
And We heard some child in the distance behind me.
Say look, it's Eggman. So and I thought, oh, I can't be
bothered to deal with this coming.
Father, I've seen my head, they've gone, it's Eggman, and
I'm letting it. I'm letting it Fly, you know?
Are they wrong though? That's what I thought.
That's why, that's why I left it walked off.
Can't believe it. But little do you know that
walking behind? You was literally egg - Humpty
Dumpty. There's me as my ego talking.
It also about me again. It's a classic on the wall.
These kids are just obsessed with me.
After I sat down at that moderation, I realize I was a
famous podcasts are right next to me.
Wasn't talking to me. Yeah, I know baby.
It was mr. P.
I've listened to all your pocket.
Anyway, that was him. That's why I hope that was just
good for the lessons. It was for me because I follow I
enjoyed that but I can imagine the other end that was boring.
As we gotta keep this in Dylan, just bleep out the word.
We don't swear on this podcast, guys.
You have no idea why I said, you have no idea what was behind
that bleep. Ladies and gentlemen, it starts
with effort, it rhymes of chicken.
Hmm. Anyway, I think we should
swiftly move on before we get in trouble.
That's funny. Right before we get into the
meaty stuff of today's episode Dylan, I've got a really quick,
toxic classroom. What are we call it?
Toxic from the way. It's plenty has been a while
because you can't remember toxic thing.
I think we just called it toxic store.
I don't. What's the fans will know.
Yeah, our fans, will ya your mate?
From the pot you'll make from the moderation should know,
she'll be selling text me, text me toxicity in schools.
That's what I'm gonna call it right now, but oh, that's
catchy. Catchy as our handles and if you
want to check us out on social media, Dylan's gonna tell you
right now where to find us, teach steep, repeat POD at
gmail.com repeat podcast that histogram teach Sr pod, cast on
Twitter. Yeah, and even know how are you
going to find it? Anyway, toxic schools.
Yeah, classic. So you know what very quickly
can I just say that is now our number one listen to podcast
episode 5 is that when schools become toxic?
Yeah. Because a lot of people
resonated with a lot of people and here's another slice of the
action. Hey, yeah, nice one.
So it's recently after we had an extra half term and I saw this
over half term and saved it for this episode.
So this is what it says Anonymous post.
Today's my partner's birthday, we plan to go out for the day.
He's going out for the day but by himself because I just have
too much work to do. I've already spent four full
days is half-time, writing reports and planning.
I've got an extra day. Now to do data analysis and some
sort of project to do. And there's an insect later in
the I've got to deliver training on a subject that I don't know
anything about classic by the way.
So I've got to train myself and then design and deliver the
training that I've got to do. I've got no extra release time
for this whatsoever. Why do we have to do all this on
our own time? I hate this.
I feel like the worst person in the world.
No point to this post, really just event and to the people who
resigned this week, you made a good decision, you never miss a
birthday or for important family occasion again.
So, this person was rattled well annoyed and I don't blame him.
They spent on Whole half term working like solid Days by looks
a bit and then missed an important event.
How's that make you feel? Yeah.
I'm trying to you know, not that my blood pressure go through the
roof in this podcast anymore. I'm gonna I'm gonna try to be
more level-headed here and maybe come back with.
Not, I completely sympathize with his person but like almost
like a reports that say, what this is Jen I genuinely would
love to know this. And I'm not saying that she is
or he has made this up, but what on Earth was being planned for
four whole days? In a row.
I think like a lot of time, I know I'm the same and so I try
not to moan too much when this happens or say this, when it
happens, it might take me, let's say, two days to get a History
unit plan, right? Mmm.
Or let's say, three days even. And that would mean that I start
in the mundane if it gets finished in the Wednesday but by
no means do, I spend eight hours each day constantly planning, if
you know what I mean. Yeah.
But I guess that it's a school. That isn't it because we've got
we're aware a biggest school. If you think about someone like
Sophie from last week, Imagine imagine you had history to do,
which two days, but you also had geography and Science and re,
and then masks and yeah, full from scratch.
My point. Here, is my point here is that,
you know, I might go for breakfast on the Monday, come
back at 12, do two hours work, then was something else.
And I are doing our hours work later and it's actually three
hours of work like it, but I've had managed to have a day apart
from that. Now, if it's four solid days of
planning, then I don't understand that whatsoever
because he's like, just happening every half times,
you're getting ahead for the whole time ahead.
Can't sustain that for out the throughout every single week in
time because you're literally at work.
I've just saying II am interested to like dive deeper
into these things because that sounds crazy.
Like that's almost so crazy. That it's gone past the point
where I'm like, well can you explain that?
Because I can't even fathom that my did say for four days is
half-time writing reports and planning to be fair.
So I imagine a big bulk of that. Four days was report writing.
I don't know. And you know what, as you know,
while no Hayden, we're going to come onto this discussion in a
lot more. A lot more deeply in our Our big
chunk of this episode, but the, I think that term between tan
five and six that half-time, for a lot of teachers point of view
is completely written off like that.
There is, I don't know any teachers, really whoever plan to
really do anything in that time because of the looming reports
and and it takes up such a big time, big chunk of time in that
kind of week off. Yeah, I would say in general it
that is that it's crazy, it's frustrating, isn't it?
When workload gets to that point and the reason I'm interested in
Diving into more about the intricacies of that is because I
want to find a solution. Well, we've said this before
million times, haven't, even when someone comes to us with a
problem, you know, sometimes they just want empathy and a
shoulder to cry on maybe your lights or someone say.
Oh, that must be difficult. Whereas I know, we're very much
learning to do that, but my first thought is always, can I
solve this problem? Okay, break it down for me.
Exactly like what? What what on Earth is going on?
Where you've got to do that much work in your week off because it
completely goes against what everyone says about teaching.
Where you get all that time off was like, well, this person
doesn't kinda missed. Johannah's birthday like it
literally not gone out to do the events that you.
The things you plan for that day.
If your partner's birthday in a half term week like is the
literal week. I've this post I think was on a
Sunday by the way. So it was the last day of the
half term. That was he just like, thinking?
This is my last day. I have to get this work done,
but I do know I don't about you, but I just maybe just says what
about me? No way.
I just wouldn't do it either. Like, cool, that works.
Not getting done, then, don't care.
Don't care. I'm going out for the day, it's
my partner's birthday. I'm not missing it.
So if someone knows about not getting there, Tough, I'll get
another week like that's genuinely my attitude towards
that, but maybe that's not the same everybody, I don't know, I
don't know, I think there's like not even a middle ground,
there's a ground way closer to what you are, which is where
most people should be but I did I'd be interested in knowing the
ins and outs of that because I want to know what had to be
planned for four full days. I guess it's reports as well.
Like the saying it is frustrating, but I'm not going
to my personal view on this and it's got against what I always
say, I suppose and I think it probably Oops, that our school,
we have an extra week off in this in this time and I can kind
of say well that's extra to everyone because we are in sets
together. I can justify spending a lot of
time on work and that week because that makes more sense.
I'm getting paid basically for those insect days but I think on
the whole of the 13 weeks off that we get, I don't mind having
to cordon off two or three weeks of that in total to be doing
work person. I don't know.
Yeah, I think that's the way one because I think I do, I think I
do mind. I'm like, nah, I want I want all
13 weeks of them. I don't like the idea that in
any capacity that is even remotely hinted at that.
The expectation of me working in those weeks off, I get it.
Like I actually don't mind it. I know he's saying like I don't
mind doing a couple of weeks but I don't agree with it if that
makes sense. So what do you know?
Because it is my opinion on this is really interesting.
Now because finally finding something we might disagree
about on and when it comes to holidays and it's built in that
we get 13 weeks off, right? Yeah, but I think that's because
that that is the reason why partly in a less like let's just
say suspicious view of the establishment saying that we
have to do work outside of our working hours, right?
I think that's part of the balance there of that being in
our contract of, okay, you know, you work 195 days a year and you
have this Time from whenever director time, but you have to
do some work outside of it, to to meet the standard of the job.
To me, that is a fair assumption.
That will be using a fair chunk of that 13 weeks off to
counterbalance that. I don't think it should be an
unhealthy amount. And, and the problem comes, when
there's no set amount. You know, some people might say
3/4, some people might say one quarter half, there's no set,
healthy amount in there, but from my perspective, I'm willing
to, to say some of those 13 weeks will be A put towards that
part of that contract, that I agreed to think it becomes
unhealthy, when it's the weekly grind doing work every single
Sunday. Yeah.
I think that, you know, that balance is really important and
I think there is no balance, which is the problem, but I
think doing some work and a significant chunk of work.
Outside of school is actually acceptable.
I just think the scales gone way too far.
Yeah, you kind of said my counter-arguments off towards
the end of your point, really, which was literally just going
to be. I do get that but the Reality is
that, you know, what, whatever you said.
So let's say we accept that maybe like three weeks of those
13 weeks is like an acceptable amount.
It's like I'm already doing those three extra weeks in my
free time on weekends and evenings with in term time
anyway. So when it gets to the holidays,
it's like cool. You already owe me those three
weeks because I've literally done them on top of the director
time. I was supposed to do.
Anyway. So that's kind of why I'm just
like. Now I want all 13 weeks.
I think we worked out in the different episode, I can't, but
the hours were I'm sure we worked out that the hours we do.
In with the whole 13 weeks off, it still adds up to around about
if not a bit more than the average working hours of a job
in a year anyway. And that was I can't remember we
based it on I think if we based it on the assumption that we do
do a few like hours on a weekend or whether we just did it on
like a nine to follow now. So I wasn't.
Yeah. The the fact was for anyone who
missed the episode the amount of hours we put into the job just
from doing the job. As in we get into school at
7:30, but we don't get into school at night.
We can spot have 70. We leave at about five, add up
all of those at times. All of those clubs, we might
have to do all the parents evenings.
We left out the whole planning so like planning wasn't wasn't
in that time. So I need extra planning we do
was on top of a full-time job and I think actually we agree on
the on the basics here like I think that it's acceptable to do
some work in that time, but I also completely agree that the
fact we do so much work. Every single Will we get extra
does kind of foster that environment.
Okay well where's this line in a broken line where this is
acceptable? Yeah that's a bit because I
think I agree in the summer holidays I think it's acceptable
that I'll do a week of work in preparation before September
because it's a brand new year. Of course I need.
I course I need to be prepared. I can't go in day one with these
new kids and know nothing about them, have nothing planned.
So I do think it's acceptable that I do some work to do before
that. I just don't think it's
acceptable that I then work every weekend and evening in
that term it's kind of like one of them needs to go and it
should probably be the one that's impacting.
Our son, like a daily. Has not the one where actually
you had five weeks off to relax now.
You're well ready to do some work that I get it?
That's probably the one that should stay if anything because
it is a lot of holiday. Yeah.
Because again, if you think about it, it's it's almost it's
six separate chunks of holiday, right?
If I got that wrong, or is it 7:00?
You must be seven missing it. So, summer halftime one,
Christmas half-term Easter half term and some arrogant no.6
summer, I guess 06:06. And if you think about a regular
job, I bet most people don't get six chunks off.
Work every week every year. Sorry so like for example the
part of the overall point, I guess I'm making here is that
when it comes to town 56 and we have this, you know need to do
reports I think it's widely accepted that okay, that week,
you know, bit of a write-off, get the report stunk at the
planning done. But I've got six weeks at the
end of this chunk and ends up being that you work for 1213
weeks in a row, which is a slog in teaching.
We know that I completely agree with you, then you get five
weeks off, you know, before you go ADI up week of work before
you go back. Like you said, there's just a
middle ground and we're nowhere near that middle ground.
Absolutely. And I completely sympathize with
this person because I'm almost Playing devil's advocate here of
suggesting that it's acceptable but it's acceptable in
isolation. It's not acceptable in the
reality of what we're doing. I completely agree.
Yeah. And also that the my last point
on this is just that and I always find is hard to grasp
like I don't like this is just how unregulated the system is.
I don't I don't like the fact that it is genuinely a gamble as
to what school you end up getting a job in.
As to how much of your life will just be taken up by it.
That's so true. Like I don't work in that
person's school-wide is. I didn't spend five days working
over the half term got paid exactly the same though assuming
that you know it's just pretend we're on the same page point in
our scale. Cool, Lego you just what you
just got. You just didn't get paid to do
five days worth. I didn't do so bad luck.
Do let me know what part is. So ridiculous that that's just
the state that it's in or bad luck, but you go to Tesco and
then in like one store, you work twice the hours for the same
money as an Other side is that it's not going to happen, like
it's regulated completely. So that it's fair across the
trade is fair. I'll come back on that really
quick because we both worked in the supermarket and I completely
agree with you but the there is always imbalances even in jobs
like that because I worked as that and I very quickly realized
that I could work as hard as possible, and get paid the same
as someone who did nothing for their whole shift.
And, and there was that there was there was that but imbalance
in that job, as well as I wait, I'm breaking my back side here
to get this like, you know, get these Cages out on the shop
floor, someone's done, one cage, and the same time, it's going to
chat with someone for an hour. We got the same pay packet at
the end, you know. And that inequality kind of
drives that resentment, doesn't it?
And that's where we're at were teaching right now.
At least that's the same in quality every job.
Yeah. But the point I'm making, I
suppose, is that, I felt that resentment there as well in
that. In that respect, I don't think
that resentment for, you know, between people doing the same
job is something that's exclusive to teaching.
I just think it's a completely different environment where you
know it affects You even more because like you said that's
like, on the job, how hard you work in?
This is like, cool. Do I need to literally plow
extra hours in? And I think the one thing that's
transformed for me a lot and you maybe could say your opinion on
this afterwards is the hours and hours extra where it feels like,
you're not getting paid like the, the option is okay.
I could not do this and it would just get done at another point
or I could put three hours into this, you know, unit of work.
Half an hour and and very and now I'm just like cool that turn
off hours if I was paid, you know, if I'll pay had been kept
up with, you know, the rate of it was 20 years ago, where it
was like a livable wage for you and your partner, like you could
actually raise a family on a teacher's salary.
Now, you're scraping to buy a house still and it's just like
cool. I'm not in the position where I
feel like I want to accept that. So I'm not going to do it
anymore. And, you know, it's a tough job
and lots of people have tough jobs and lots of people on less
money, but it's a relevant to me because I'm not cool.
Well, why should I put in that extra five hours a week?
Am I a chump? Like it was nice when I passed?
Yes, I'm a chump. Now, I find that people earlier
in their career just in general, I'm just generalizing now, it's
not always true but generally people earlier in their career
in teaching do put the hard slog in, you know, they do they do
the serious hours. I remember doing any.
We both did it. We were exactly the same and I
think I was in my first. First or second year and I spoke
to my Deputy head of the time because I was just getting
stressed. Like, I just literally, I
couldn't keep up with the amount of work that I was putting
myself under as well. And that's really important
because I was trying to do everything at 110%, like,
everything had to be incredible. All of my lessons took me two
hours to plan a lesson. Everything I was marking was
like, Mark to the nth degree. Every single like everything was
just over the top and I was like, cool.
This is completely unmanageable. Like I don't understand how am I
supposed to do this job? Like really well, which I want
to do and I just broke down to my Deputy head of the time and
and, and he was just like, yeah, just don't do it and he wasn't,
he wasn't being like, Oh, yeah, it's don't do it.
My whatever he was being really genuine and I was sort of like
this, my Deputy head, like my someone, I expect to tell me to
get everything done properly, and he's like, don't do it.
And I was like, I need to get this done and this time I've got
another all these Mass things to sort out as well.
Now that I've been trapped, on top of me, and I've still got
that the Mark, he's like, don't do it as I can't.
Just not do. It was like he can and if
someone really needs it, they'll email you then for it and then
you can do it. I know another time I didn't
really understand but it's all man, it changed my life really
thinking about it resonated with me a lot over the years because
I was like yeah but you know what is so true?
Everyone so urgent, everyone needs things, urgently done for
them and everyone and meet, you know last-minute goes oh this
needs to be done. Now you can you do this report
for me? Because I've got this meeting
tomorrow. No.
We can do. Oh, this is so bad, but it's
like. Yeah, cool.
Okay, nice. It's a home power.
Yeah, I agree. It's the power of prioritization
and it's hilarious because we have mocked this like endlessly
before and so I just go home. Yeah, well, I've got two markets
on the policy I'll get into trouble otherwise.
I think like what you're saying is is more of a mindset shift
rather than an individual basis of well just don't mark it.
Yeah, we're not saying not Somali.
It's a very generic kind of like a - Mindful state to be in in
the job, which is it's okay to not get everything done in the
time frame that you self imposed on yourself and, and that kind
of Self in position, you know, are you going to let some people
down sometimes maybe, you know, in a certain respect because
someone might need something from you.
We're okay, fair enough. But that means I need to work
until eight tonight and I'm going to say no, because I'm
going to put myself first before that person that person The fill
that down may have not had something from you, but, you
know, maybe next time that person will ask it from you, two
days early, you know, give you a chance to do it or think about.
Okay. I need this from this person.
How can I get it from them about, you know, damaging their
health in or, you know, their their mindset.
And I think this is a really powerful thing for especially
leaders to do and I know, we're not school leaders, you know, we
leave the subject, we did a quick, we did Mass, right, but
there's little things that I'm quite mindful of is not taking
advantage. Vantage of the people who will
say yes, in those situations. Because although we're very much
of the mindset of I know, just don't do it.
We know, don't we Hayden a lot of teachers who are so lovely
and put everything into this job still and will not say no and
will impose work on themselves to deadlines, they've set
themselves and end up working almost every evening because
they want to get this done, want to get that done.
And I think what leaders need to do is kind of Step In sometimes
and say, look take a break, we're not going.
Expect this from you. I'm actively saying don't do
this thing that you've planned to do for two hours every night
this week because you want to get it done by next week.
Let's shift this target into next term have a break.
I expect you to only get these things done, which then I think
if leaders take the active step, I think people will be less
anxious and feel like they've got to go over and above every
single week at the detriment of their own stress and the hell,
if I think that's a really powerful thing people can do, I
know a lot of teachers right now who Who honestly work every
evening of the week genuinely work, every single evening of
the week, and usually half a day or a day of the weekend, as
well. So, I really hope I really hope
things. Get better for those people, and
I do agree that it has to be top down.
It has to be not, everyone is going to be like, nah, I'm not
doing it. My life is no one.
Not everyone is going to be comfortable with knowing
actively knowing that actually just gonna let someone down,
it's like, yeah, you gave me this deadline but cool.
You've I've got seven other jobs that you've also given me.
Me. So I'm only doing three of them
because that's all I can do in this time.
So tough not. Everyone's going to have that
confidence to do that so you know, leaders.
Come on, we need to foster a better workplace for people to
feel less anxious, less less overworked.
Well, this this is your this kind of evolved into a little
chat there, didn't it? And that felt really good.
I think what we're going to do then because it leads perfectly
on to a raging debate, in the minute.
Education-wise I think that we hadn't are going to play the
little jingle and you're going to go get a cup of tea and the
three seconds. So I'm going to say the same
joke for six weeks in a row because that's our personality
becomes s for something to get bored of it and then we'll
replace it with something in a few weeks, you know, diagnosis
as you will, but I'll see you again for seconds.
In the last couple of weeks because of reports and the
future job teaches have to produce them.
There's been a bit of a raging debate because there's also been
a huge development in technology and now Hayden we're talking
about AR it, what does it say? I stand for in artificial
intelligence, of course, I really hoped we'd like two
seconds on the spot you thought of something funny.
But now you're right. Artificial intelligence.
And anyone who has been online, I'm sure has In something about
it. You know we've got Photoshop now
has a I where you can generate the rest of a photo, it can fix
it for you automatically. And the idea is that artificial
intelligence is kind of The Next Step, isn't it in technology?
It's something that learns by itself and kind of develops by
itself and it's therefore quite controversial, especially
because you may have seen in the news if you read for example on
BBC online, there's been a few articles in the last few weeks
of the founders of various AI systems, almost warning, the
world. That this could get out of hand,
you know, very quickly that these Bots learn exponentially
they're going to become super intelligent super quick and they
kind of were, you know, canvassing for a bit of a pause
on the development of the technology as a whole.
Now that's a whole nother debate, whether you know, AI in
general, is going to take over the world or not, but we're
Hayden. I found something really
interesting is an entire debate around report writing and
different AI tools that we have. Available to us now.
So Hayden do you want to kick us off and just kind of summarize
what is the debate and you know what's the general consensus?
But yeah sure so I would I would just clarify as well.
The AI that we're talking about is essentially it is essentially
a glorified and very very very good language model.
That's what it is. It's really really good at
producing pieces of text. So there's one that's been
created the most part of popular teaching related one.
Right now I'm going to read out a little Anonymous post actually
for you because this kind of summarizes the debate.
Someone put this on in a Facebook group and obviously
they put thoughts on a, i generated report comments.
Dot dot dot. I've looked at teach may I from
mr. P.
And it looks fantastic. Had a very brief chat with my
head teacher. And I've been told that it is
both morally and ethically wrong to use AI for anything in
school. This person has put, I
personally do not agree with this as I see it as a way of
saving valuable time. What are people's thoughts?
Can you tell if a report has been written by a teacher or a?
I, if it uses These prompts that are input by the teacher and
that sparked a really, really big discussion.
And that's essentially captures. I think the debate in hand here
is, is it acceptable to use AI to help you write reports?
Yes, thanks for listening, guys. I'll catch you again now.
I think, you know I'm no stranger to an opinion hen.
I think that it is absolutely fine.
I think that there is no problem morally or ethically.
And I do think that someone imposing that view on someone
else is being quite dramatic. And I think if the head had said
that to me, if I'd gone in there, Asked about it.
Then first, I wouldn't have asked, I would have just made
them and then they would never have known.
And secondly, if they said, it's - oh cool.
Okay. So do I get time to write these
bespoke lie then and see what they say, I'd also ask them
Hayden. Can I use a comment bank because
very common. You, I had it in secondary
school as well. I literally had a report once
which had someone else's name in it where they copied in a
comment and forgot to swap the name, very common strategy when
it comes to writing reports. I think there's a whole host of
reasons. But yeah, we did a poll that we
hate it. Yes.
So on a teaching. So you started by this does kind
of two elements of this because I sort of jumped in afterwards
as well because I wanted more information.
So you did a poll. Basically saying, hey, everyone
in this big teacher group is it is acceptable to use chat GPT
which is a very popular AI language model at the moment to
write reports and you did specify to be fair and you did
say there will be specific inputs for the child from, from
the teacher. But the A, I would generate the,
like, actual paragraph for you and the data that we got from
that, at least from when I last looked at it, was nine percent
of people said, of course, it's okay to use a, I just flat.
Okay. 86 percent of people on your poll said, yes.
But with editing / specific input for that for each child,
which makes sense. I think that's what everyone's
doing anyway. And then five percent of people
was just put flat-out should not be used.
So I I then wanted to get more information from these people.
So I put a post up saying, Would anyone be interested like be
available? So just chat basically, and let
me know why you think it's not acceptable to use AI.
Got this is hilarious because I feel like we're going back to
Our Roots here. We're going back to episode 1
where we did a bit of role play strikes, because we both
obviously thought striking was the right action to take, so we
had to cut to make up these characters to be true.
So, I think, first thing I want to say before you carry on
Hayden, is just point people in the direction of the fact that
over 90% of people overwhelmingly.
And there were over 400 votes in this, in this poll saying that
they think it's acceptable to use as a tool which I'm glad of,
but yay. I'm very interested to hear,
then those people who are against AI, what they're kind of
what their views were what their reasons.
Why is to say not only is it not okay?
Or not only will, I not use it, but I don't think anyone should
use. I think that's quite a big jump
then. Okay.
Well, I've actually had a really nice conversation with someone
who said they wouldn't mind if I sort of talked about this.
So I'm just going to read off a little bit, like just paraphrase
some of their answers. That's right.
And you can kind of maybe come back at them with your thoughts.
So this person said they're really lovely by the way, really
polite. And they said lo I know, I'm a
bit with maybe I'm a bit of a dinosaur but I just this is just
my opinion on things and and their overarching point really
was in primary school. You know, we spend so much time
with these children's on a like on a personal level in some
cases like even more time than they do with their parents, in
those sort of, you know, personal situations and and you
see hundreds of personal anecdotes across the year and
she fills, it is part of her job.
It is part of her role to then kind of collate and share some
of those Beautiful memories. Now that those that have
happened across the year that their parents didn't get to be a
part of with the parents via parents evenings, but also
written reports and they will, they were really, really
passionate about this idea that it should.
The comments should be super personal and include, you know,
really little things of about that child than a, I would never
be able to generate from any prompt because they're, you
know, again because that anecdotes because their stories
their moments that actually happened in the Year not just
generic, like, did well in this. Can't do this.
So that's the first point I want to make.
Yeah, it's interesting because to me, I guess this comes down
to a i as a generated. Prompt is as good as what you
put into it. And I don't think that using AI
is what some people see, as is like a, just get out of jail,
free cards. Like you can just generate a
report in three minutes because I absolutely don't think that's
possible using AI, because you've got to be really
specific. You've got to write individual
prompts for every single child put in.
Six, seven, eight bullet points. One of them could be the
anecdote. And what I found was really
powerful was for the generic way of wording things so that you
don't word it in the same way every single child.
But behaves in a similar situation, I thought that, you
know, chat GPT was a really good way of kind of generating new
ways of getting things across in a very formal manner.
That's property, you know, written in a way that's suitable
for a report, but then once it's generated copying, it into word
diving in and adding those anecdotes and Those little
little tiny things in there without having to worry about
how to word something and how for it to flow.
I think they're two separate things.
I don't necessarily think AI equals not personal.
I think the way you use it as a tool is going to be really
important. I had another really really good
counter argument that I'm going to come to in a minute.
So I'm not going to show it, share it with you just yet but
it was the only one really that maybe go all you know when
something makes you doubt yourself a bit but just staying
on the point that you were just mentioning familiar.
I played around with specifically that teach may I
because I saw it was Popular and I just wanted to see what it's
all about. Obviously you've got chat GPT as
well which is, you know, a free model to use and and I because
obviously we were writing our report.
So I had a play around with it as well just to see because my
gut feeling was actually that it's not gonna be very good.
I was thinking it's probably going to be like horribly and
personal not written very well to the point where you have to
edit it anyway and spend just as much time on it but I'll be
honest I think it took me twenty five percent of the time as
normal and I genuinely think my comments were better and I'll
just read He's right. A point you made because I'm a
human being under a time constraint I don't care how good
your school is. You're always going to be under
a time constraint for reports. It is natural that you're going
to repeat the same comments and phrases for various children.
Once you've written a, you know, there's your writing the same
report format 32 times, potentially, you're going to
start using the same phrases. You just not going to think of
32, different ways where they, I was really good at creating
unique sentences and paragraphs per child, based on my prompts.
And I've actually I've Since then, I have put in some prompts
to teach my eye and I've just made it up because I don't want
to share a real rapport with you.
But I would like to share with you a report that just before
this podcast, I got the AI to write for you.
And I'm going to tell you right now, neither of the other two
examples, they both took less than 30 seconds to completely
finish, right. And then we'll and then I'm
going to make one final point after it's.
So what I'm going to do is I'm going to share with you what I
wrote in to the AI and then I'm going to show you what came out
the other end, okay? Okay.
So this this will be interesting to see, like the amount you've
input here because I think some people are worried and saying,
Jesse's a lovely girl. Works hard.
You know, could improve next year by just paying attention
more and hoping that it comes out of 200 words at the.
Don't think that's what happens. I'll show you.
So, this one was a mass comments.
I just made up a mass comment. Obviously, I used your name and
all. I typed in the strength box, it
doesn't have to be like, well, word, it is basically bullet
points. You just type in your thoughts.
I put in the strengths box, I put problem solving thinking,
mathematically, longevity. A written calculations and
methods was good at making 3D models.
I'll try to think of it like a maybe an actual thing that that
that child was good at doing particular thing and needs
Improvement. I put reading the time And I
asked you to write me a really short on a 90.
Word reports are just one paragraph and this is what he
wrote and I haven't edited it. So you can you can give me your
honest opinions. Dylan has displayed exceptional
problem solving skills throughout the term and is able
to think mathematically to arrive at practical Solutions.
His longevity in the subject matter is impressive and he has
excelled in written calculations and methods.
Dylan has also demonstrated a flair for Creative for creating
three-dimensional models, showcasing his create creativity
in the process. However, it is noted that Dylan
needs to work on reading the time.
As this has been an area of weakness for him.
Overall, didn't has made significant progress, this term
and has proven proven himself to be a diligent and dedicated
student Yeah. I mean, so my initial reaction
to that is there's nothing in there that you haven't
personally written. There's nothing in there that
the AI is magically made up about this child, where suddenly
it's now an inaccurate report. It's a very useful report
exactly what you put in. Just just composed in a way
that's much more maybe formal than we could have written with
less effort. I mean, for the time saved, are
we really saying that it's important as teachers?
That the adult knows that we composed it ourselves.
We're signing off, and, what's going into the AI.
We're literally putting the exact stories in.
You could've had a lovely story there, like that woman's woman
or man said about the, you know, the individual stories from each
person that could have been a lesson, you remember.
And they made this unbelievable 3D model and went off and made
their own there, and it's magic story.
You want to share? And if you really wanted to
share it, then cool for 30 seconds after that was
generated. If you thought that wasn't
personal enough, spend two minutes, writing a bit of an
extension on that sentence. I agree.
It's as personal as you want it to be.
I don't think. The personable aspect of the
report is an argument against it that I really accept, to be
honest. Yeah, I completely agree.
I was actually about to say that the beauty of the time-saving in
that the fact that took me 30 seconds to get to that point
means that now if I have taken notes because I'm one of those
teachers that has taken notes and wants to get the anecdotes
in, it will take me like a minute or two to put the
anecdote in rather than 10 minutes to create the hot you
know craft the whole paragraph myself weaving, the anecdote
into a point a point which I feel is appropriate.
So I think People are missing a trick is what I want to say
here. I think people are way too
focused on these extreme ideas of.
Well, it's either a you write this beautifully bespoke report
that you could spend three hours writing per child, and it's the
most amazing thing that anyone's ever read ever or be you could
tell ai6 things that a child can do.
And it will write this really generic impersonal thing for
you. And it's like, what do you know
what? Neither of those are really an
acceptable reality. We cannot expect people to spend
the time on making reports that this amazing as great as that
would be objectively and equally anyone using AI.
I'm sure is still in putting enough into the AI, that it's
not a complete impersonal, like, piece of drivel, it's just
saving them time and I'm not being funny.
Who do we think we are as teachers that we're going to be
able to craft this unbelievably written black, beautiful
paragraph. I'm sorry, it's not realistic.
After three hours of sat there, right in.
Do you think it's going to be something out of a beautiful
novel? Like, there is honestly don't
think that we could. Compose something better.
As in better quality written in terms of grammatical and
formality than that. AI Bots has.
The only difference we can have is that individual flare of a
specific. Bespoke story that we want to
get across in the way that we remember it.
Then go in and edit it afterwards.
I think you're absolutely right. There's no extras.
What's the point in being the extreme here.
So interestingly took some to come back completely on.
The first point you made there about who are we to create this
paragraph? One of the points someone gave
me on that thread that I put out there.
Was it? Literally she Said, it's
insulting the idea that with like we're trained
professionals. We've been at University for
three years and write a degree level to think that we can't
write these paragraphs ourselves and we have to rely on AI to do
it for us. No, no, no, we don't rely, we
don't rely on it. Like, I'm pretty sure I could
sit there couldn't let this. It's not insulting, it's not
insulting to say that a computer is more able to access synonyms
faster than you is it insulting when we have to Google something
when actually, oh well it's insulting suggest that I
couldn't Go and find a book in the local library and find the
answer. Well, no, of course you can.
But it's called time-saving, it's not, it's not insult to
suggest that Googling something is ridiculous.
It's part of the technological advances of the dime, we are
intelligent teachers, who are good at pedagogy or favorite
word is, I'm sorry. But when did the biggest part of
our job become composing amazing scent paragraphs to send to
parents like, of course, we know how to do it.
I know how to do percentages. I don't not use a calculator.
Hmm. Is it wrong to use a calculator?
How insulting I've got a master's degree in?
You want me to put it into a calculator?
Yes, because it's quicker. I think I agree and my kind of
counter-argument to that person and I do get what they're saying
that. I just don't think they're
looking at. If the right perspective, I
think they're I think they're not realizing that the reason
people are using AI is to save time, not because we can't.
Right? That's, that's the wrong, the
wrong thing there, because if that's what they thought, I
would say to them. Cool.
I hope you've never downloaded a PowerPoint for twinkle.
I hope you've naturally never taken a lesson slide.
From anybody else, because it's insulting to think you couldn't
make them yourself. This type of course I can make
them myself but I don't want to sit there for three hours and
make slides about Charles Darwin.
When there's some already made, I'm just going to grab them and
edit the bits. I need exactly the same process
is what I think we should do these reports.
I'm gonna get the bulk of it. Done to save my time, and I'm
going to edit things in, right. Dylan, are you ready to be
triggered? I'm ready, I'm ready to be not
do trick. No, no, I'm not.
Because I'm calm and I'm a changed, man.
This, it's called the balance of Dylan Hayden.
So by triggered. Okay, I'll change it out by
tricking. I meant ready to be triggered
into a conversation. Not, you know, triggerman not
triggered. Mad, I listen, I love debating
things and I think I'm very black and white sometimes know.
I think sometimes I rub people up the wrong way, I'm not
surprised. I'm not trying to, I would be
happy for someone to be as blunt back to me.
I'm just very interested. So, it's A comment but don't but
don't but don't question me about you heard it here.
First, this was someone's comment and it was the first one
that made me for a moment. Go all but then I did have a
thought myself, but I reckon you will have some interesting
thoughts on this. Someone said I'm going to skip
kind of the gunk really than get to the point.
They just said, would you be happy for the report to be
signed off with your name and also augmented by AI or written
with the it's of a, I would you be happy for that to be at the
bottom of the report? And then their point was if you
if you wouldn't then shouldn't that be a cause for you?
No concern. Shouldn't that be?
It shouldn't be a reason that you deep down you know it's not
right to be using AI. I think that's only a concern
for someone who cares about this kind of thing I do.
I think that's a concern for someone who is actively against
AI. I don't think that's like a
moral level for everyone in the planet.
Like, do we need to know if something wasn't completely
human made every single opportunity that we have.
I don't think we do. You know, when we submit our
accounts to like to the government?
Do we have to put augmented by QuickBooks at the bottom?
I mean, I maybe we do. I don't think we do though.
I don't think no one cares because they've just been, you
know, If signed them off, you know it, okay, cool.
The computer helped us on this process, you know, the thesaurus
on word helps me to write my book.
Mmm. The grammar check on grammarly,
helped me to make sure my essay was written, you know,
succinctly, do I wrote it off at the end though and I said, cool,
whatever this is. Yep.
I'm going to put my name to that because I accept everything
that's been written. Do you think that all
politicians, write their own speeches?
You know? Imagine a really powerful speech
that if, you know, their teams put together for Them that they
signed off because it's everything they agree with.
They deliver it amazing. The crowd of cheering at the
end, brought to you by and then put 15 names of people who wrote
it. It does don't.
I don't think that that's necessary.
I don't think that's like the winning argument that maybe it's
being described as and as a point to begin with.
If someone was insistent that, I put what I helped me, write it
then. I put it on there, I'm not even
against that. Yeah, that's fair enough.
I think it's I think it's a really loaded question.
I think it's not as very cleverly crafted questions that
is Completely completely and utterly irrelevant.
And I was trying to think of like some other examples of the
same sort of thing and out analogies of the same thing, and
it's like, it's literally the same as to me is someone saying,
oh, if you taught a lesson and and and it wasn't planned by
you, would you be happy to go outside at the end of the day?
Tap it all of the parents on the head and tell them this lesson
wasn't planned by me. Is that what course?
I wouldn't, of course, I wouldn't want to do that, but
that's not why. I like that's not why.
I don't think they should use the lessons.
That's just an irrelevant thing I have.
Course I was embarrassed but because on the reports I was
never putting who did or didn't write it anyway.
So why did I do this extra thing?
Anyway, of course, I don't want another Angela.
This is exactly what I meant. What I said, I think it's only
relevant people who don't like AI, but there were two think
that's a thing to ask because with, I'd be very interested,
maybe they, maybe they have this kind of thing for everything.
Maybe they do every lesson. Say this was their son was
brought to you by twinkle. I didn't handcraft this lesson,
but I looked at it and I accepted that it was good for
what I want to deliver today. And then I delivered, it is, you
know, Is it? I just don't think it's a fair
question to ask. Someone would you do this?
Well the answer is yes. I mean I would tell a parent
now. I've got a lesson off the
internet if you really wanted me to.
Yeah. But what's the point?
Yeah. But all it does is open them up
to an interpretation of the thing you're telling them that
might be wrong and that's the problem.
So true, the only reason I wouldn't actually like to tell a
parent I got this in twinkle is because they might then come to
a conclusion that for some reason that was a terrible thing
and then it just opened up a can of worms.
I don't want to get into And it's the same with this report
thing AI is really new right now and quite clearly it's a bit
controversial and even more clearly.
People don't understand how it works.
You know that headteacher going back to that original post.
It says, it's immoral and ethically, wrong to use it.
It's like, do you do they know it's just a language model and
all it's doing is just speeding up.
You writing a paragraph? Like do they understand that?
Because if they did, I don't think they'd have that opinion
so clearly they don't understand it.
So I don't want to tell pair, I wouldn't want to tell parents
that it's had all supported by AI because they'll probably some
parents that don't Moray is and think it's a terrible thing for
me to do. And then I've got to explain to
them all of this, listen to the podcast.
This is great that we just send this link, but, you know,
equally I must say, I do. Like I do understand it because
there are like I said at the start in general with AI there
are huge red flags at the minute of, you know, the people who
literally developed it saying, you know, it could be a harm to
humanity in the long run. And to those people, I just say,
well, you know, if it's going to kill us at least, I could do my
reports further. Exactly.
God's sake.
We need a very serious conversation.
I have a question though. I've gotta continue this for a
second because it put it. I said cool, I'm sorry of the
factual for your permission. So my question is this because
this is where I think you know I'm presenting we're presenting
ourselves here as the voices of reason but I do think maybe I am
maybe too far on the other end of this spectrum and this
question will kind of expose that?
Do you think? And that if given adequate time
to fully write the reports that so that you spend no extra time
whatsoever doing them but the caveat was you have to write
them bespoke. The individually from scratch
for every single child but you're given every single minute
you need to do that. So there's no loss of time
there. Would you still rather do it
with AI? Oh, that's so tricky.
Because what you're doing to be right here.
Now is basically trying to make me make me weigh up the pros and
cons of AI in my head. Ready because part of me, right?
I'm gonna say both answers are going to cop out here a little
bit. Part of me is saying, no, as in,
I come up with a question was now.
So what no question was, would you still want to use AI given
that situation of time is not a factor now, it's not stressed
teachers like oh I can't do it. My own.
Time time is not a factor would you still want to do?
And it really quickly. As I say no first because I
think if I had all the time then I'm probably am going to create
what that person that was talking to me is what was
talking about, which is a beautifully personal comment,
that maybe parents would appreciate a bit more than
anything. I could have ever created with
a. I even, if I just edited a few.
In fact, the whole thing myself, it really, truly is a complete
100% personal reflection from me, from my brain, my writing
style, to that parent, about their child.
I think that's great. And I think there is something
love. Out that and I don't think she's
wrong in saying that, that is an amazing thing to do for parents.
The other part of me still though, it's still and I think
yeah, AI is still got a place here because it's still a really
good way of mixing up the way you write things, because
whether you like to think you're not, you're going to write the
same sort of stuff and it's a really long process.
It's very, very exhausting writing or attach it.
Do you think so? It's boring after a while
because I, I'm, as I'm as enthusiastic as you and I really
truly am about writing. A really nice report for these
kids because I love them and you know, spend so much time with
them. I just think that can be
achieved with a i and what I mean is when I'm writing it for
hours on end like literally like after 4 hours it I lose that
buzz. And I know my reports are
getting worse because I'm knackered and I am like, oh God
I'm sorry kid like this is going to be a very generic one because
I just don't have the energy to put that in mind space in I
think AI solves that and makes it better like That's the reason
I'm very passionate but II. I think like you that the
reports are better for everyone the second half of the register
aren't going to Raw Deal anymore.
Yeah, I agree. And I'm going to say right now
and I know we talked about it, talked about it between us when
I was actually writing my reports.
And at the time, I remember saying to you, I don't think
they're quite as good as if I had written them completely
myself but I've changed my mind because since then what I've
done is I've gone back in and I've just read through them
again and I've actually just edited a couple of little things
because I felt So bad, that their baby wasn't enough,
anecdotes enough, like actual personal stories in and I've
realized that at the end of this, not only are they
considerably better than any report I've ever written before
completely and utterly unique for every single child.
They also, it took me less than half the time.
I've ever spent writing reports even including that extra me
going back in and editing in some stories and it's like okay
they've actually ended up being. I'm a complete Advocate.
Now for doing this I'm actually going to do this every single
year because they're literally better than any report I've ever
written and let's be To be honest.
Now because this is the time to out myself and every other
teacher is that I don't think there are many teachers who can
honestly put their hand on their heart and say, they open up a
brand new word document every single year from scratch and
write every single comment. No way.
Okay, I'm calling you out right now.
We'd know you don't know you don't you open other you open up
last year's and you match up some kids that are similar.
If you can, you open up the year before and you get your comment
bank that you use that you made one year because you were trying
to Save yourself some time, and you've written five different
comments for re and you copy one, any change the name, you
know, people do that. They just do, I've done it loads
of times because it is, you have your perfect because it's
impossible is just impossible because the end of the day, we
don't live in that perfect world that you're talking about.
We don't have all the time in the world to do.
We have our half-term break to do it so it's gotta get done one
way or another. So there we are.
Brilliant. I love that.
Love that chat. And as always, we're right?
Okay. That was a joke.
A little quicker at the end. I know we're not always right, I
get it. Okay.
But that was a great chat. I really love that because you
know what we always do. A did we kind of go down that
rabbit hole? Don't we are thinking.
Well, this is obviously the correct answer and just opening
up those views from other. People have said and you know,
slowly dismantling them and proving them wrong.
It feels good. You know what Dylan night.
I just realized I spoke a lot for once.
It wasn't you dominating the conversation.
I never really asked you for your kind of final appeal
Opinion on it. So what is your kind of?
What's your takeaway point from this chat?
What do you think about? Well, I thought so I will just
first he say and I think you know, I said last week I've got
a few comments that I just, you know, talk over you interrupt
you but here's the thing, I'm always learning.
The point is, I don't want people to know this because it
is the way it's been because Hayden specifically, when we
start this podcast said to me. Well, you're in charge pal.
Yeah, you lead it. You lead this podcast.
So, Usually one who's trying to push is on to other stuff and,
you know, and I love the sound of my own voice bit like I'm
doing now. So, the point I'm going to make
it. This was the first ever podcast
where I hadn't prepared anything.
I had prepared nut. I've usually got a document up.
If you watch the video, you'll sometimes see my eyes scanning
but with some forward, because I'm usually reading something or
trying to get some information. Because I know what the next
point is going to be a wet work trying to structure this
conversation and Hayden's just here for the ride.
But I feel like I was here for the ride to, they're quite
enjoyed that. I quite enjoyed it as well as
the first taste of power I've got in our relationship, so it
was nice. Yeah.
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