1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,160 Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Teach the 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:03,080 Repeat. My name is Dylan. 3 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:04,920 And my name's Hayden. Episode 1, O1. 4 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:05,960 We've done 100. Yeah. 5 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,000 Celebration's over. Yeah, Bit of an anticlimax in 6 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:09,080 the end. Yeah, we just did a normal 7 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,040 episode. Yeah, we're just doing 3 digits 8 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,240 now, and it's the next one. Like we said, powers of 10. 9 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:16,400 That's what we celebrate. Yeah, yeah. 10 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:18,560 Not celebrate 200. No, yeah, there's no point, is 11 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,760 there? 1000 we'll get to like 809 12 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,000 hundred and still be like rubbish. 13 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:24,400 What's 1000 like? There's fifty weeks of the year, 14 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,480 so 1000 will take us about 20 years do. 15 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,840 You reckon anyone's got to 1000? Yeah, yeah, they have just. 16 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:30,840 From sharing it like one a day. Yeah, but they probably do a 17 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:32,320 podcast every day. Yeah, like I said, like a radio 18 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,120 show. Anyway, it's been half term, so 19 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,160 we're back now. If you're in Wales, I think 20 00:00:37,160 --> 00:00:39,040 you're half term's now, so well done. 21 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:40,280 You managed to get an extra week in. 22 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,720 We're back at work, but we just had half term. 23 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,000 How was it? Was it good? 24 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:45,600 Yeah, it was good. Try to summarise it. 25 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,160 Yeah, Don't waffle on, do we? No, when I'm don't know. 26 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:50,920 Waffle on do we 100 episodes in. Don't waffle on I. 27 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:52,280 Was about to say we went up north. 28 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,280 That's what you did. Spoiler alert. 29 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,560 Well, to be fair, anywhere we did is probably north. 30 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,720 I did go in the north direction. I went to Cambridge for a few 31 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,360 days. That was quite nice. 32 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,680 Yep, central Cambridge. Lovely, beautiful architecture. 33 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,640 You know you're old when you really, really start to 34 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,560 appreciate the building. Buildings. 35 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,160 Nice. I was standing there and awe. 36 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:09,600 Check out that arch. Yeah, it's like. 37 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,560 Look and I always go. They must must be so boring 38 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,080 being with me always. Like can you just imagine being 39 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,960 there when they built this? I always, I feel like I always 40 00:01:17,960 --> 00:01:20,360 say that because I'm always so awe, like in awe from that 41 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,440 you've been able to looking at the way they. 42 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,720 I can't believe they built that without the technology we have 43 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:25,080 these. Names. 44 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,560 You have really low expectations of anyone born more than 100 45 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,200 years ago. How did they get their head 46 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,920 around how bricks can go on top? Of each other. 47 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,040 Meanwhile, I can't screw a blind into a lentil without losing my 48 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,160 mind. Well, I don't even know what a 49 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,840 lentil. Is there we go, There we are. 50 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,800 And there's me thinking, Oh, yeah, 100 years ago, how can 51 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,280 they build that? Years ago? 52 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,400 You know, I can't even do the basics. 53 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,240 But yeah, I did that. I had a nice time. 54 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,000 Cambridge drove into a pole, completely wrecked my car. 55 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,240 Sorry, I'm doing school work. I went to Cambridge, went to 56 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,680 Cambridge. Sorry, Mr You OK? 57 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,360 Sorry. Anyone, any listeners got this 58 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:02,680 fight? I don't know if you've got this 59 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,240 impression remaining yet. Very much likes his cars. 60 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,720 Very much likes to think he's a bit of a a guru on the road. 61 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,560 You drove into a pulp Pulse famously don't move. 62 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:12,920 So I'm wondering how you managed to do that? 63 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,880 Well, this one did. It's, well, it depends. 64 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,800 It's relativity, isn't it? Or you could say it moves. 65 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,040 Or you could say I moved into it. 66 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,240 From your perspective in the car? 67 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,040 Einstein might argue you differently about how I crashed 68 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,880 my car into a pole that wasn't moving, actually. 69 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:28,720 Do you reckon that's what Einstein was doing? 70 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,880 He did, all his work was simply just to quite try and justify 71 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,080 the fact it wasn't his fault that he backed into someone and 72 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:35,920 it's what he got. I think so, because that's what 73 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:38,320 I did, relative. He's hurt my pride enough that I 74 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:39,640 would do that as well. Yeah, I don't know. 75 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:42,360 I honestly. I know how I know how you're 76 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,800 reversed and you didn't stop. Reversed out of space and I 77 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,240 thought there's nothing behind me and ignore the beepers on the 78 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,440 car as you do because that's what you know, that's what 79 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:52,720 they're there for. They're there for you to ignore 80 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,680 it and be like, oh, it's just. You're a classic dad. 81 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,520 Just drove straight into where are you going, Dad? 82 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:57,880 Don't know. Do you wanna look at the map? 83 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,120 No, no, look at map. Yep, north now. 84 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:01,640 So you don't. Do you want? 85 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,520 To use it got you got sensors on the car, Dad, do you want to use 86 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:05,840 them? No, it's the. 87 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,720 Sun like that as well. That's my daughter, actually, 88 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:11,200 that's River. She speaks like that. 89 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,720 That's your 14 month old dad. Dad, can you hear those beepers 90 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,960 when something bad You've got enough So I've I've turned into 91 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,720 northern man down mine. Oh anyway, I'm so sorry anyone 92 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,360 who listens. I moved an insulting accent, but 93 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,120 yeah, drove into a thing, wrecked the back bumper, so that 94 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,480 was pretty annoying. The trip became a lot more 95 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,240 expensive when I realised I got to replace that. 96 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,040 Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep. Other than that not really done 97 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,240 any work for school which is a bit annoying because I've now. 98 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,040 Just got a way to do for school. It's a classic. 99 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:41,760 Don't do any work over your half term. 100 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,880 OK, what will I teach? Yeah. 101 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,480 Should I do it when I'm at work? No, you silly man. 102 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,160 You got to have that ready. You got to do the work before 103 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:48,600 you can work. Oh. 104 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,440 Gosh, don't. Don't listen to that. 105 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,480 Anyway, But yeah, So what about you? 106 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,840 Did you crash anything? No, but I've I just, I was 107 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,040 thinking about having my week, but I've had a bit of a 108 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,440 traumatic experience in the last 20 minutes that's made me, 109 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,600 that's made me forget everything that was I was going to say. 110 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:07,920 So let's, let's preferences. Are you at my house? 111 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,080 You said, oh, I need to blow my nose. 112 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:11,560 Yeah, before we started recording. 113 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:12,720 He said, oh, I haven't got any tissues in here. 114 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,440 You've used them all from when you blow your nose and the other 115 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,360 ones you're constantly snotty. Apparently I'm all right now. 116 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:17,880 That's. Good, I can tell from my voice. 117 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,120 Let's. Go ahead and edit this podcast 118 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:20,600 52 times. Just head out. 119 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,400 You're snotting the last ones anyway, so I've got a tissue. 120 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:25,360 You have to go to the toilet. Yeah. 121 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:25,920 What happened? Deal. 122 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,520 Funny enough, I went to the toilet. 123 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,840 So you've recently had your toilet done? 124 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:33,840 Yeah, it's actually really nice. I've got to say. 125 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,160 It's done to a really nice standard. 126 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,240 Spent a lot of money on that. And, you know, you saved your 127 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:38,400 money. Couldn't be bothered to get a 128 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,720 lock for it, but it looks great. It looks fantastic. 129 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,880 No lock, though, on the toilet. So I go down, you open the door, 130 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:44,880 the door opens. Yeah. 131 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,160 When a toilet door opens without any kind of, you know, pushback, 132 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:49,280 you think, well, it's free, isn't it? 133 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:50,480 No. Your girlfriend's having the 134 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:51,720 toilet. Yeah, on the toilet. 135 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,880 Having a. Into a job I heard from here was 136 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,880 her going oh hello. I can imagine how embarrassed 137 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,480 she was. Obviously I've got my heart 138 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,760 dropped and I haven't moved quickly enough down the stairs, 139 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:02,640 yeah. Yeah. 140 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,760 So after all that. Yeah, the last week, both, both 141 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,120 horribly embarrassed. Yeah. 142 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,400 The rest of the week, we're both embarrassed. 143 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,240 All I can hear is you cackling. And here it's fun running around 144 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:14,960 trying to find out what happened like a little Pixie. 145 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,480 What happened? Yeah, Yeah. 146 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,400 Yeah, yeah. Other than that though, did you 147 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,200 actually enjoy your time up north because you've been gone a 148 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:21,960 week? Went up north. 149 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:23,920 That's why I can do the northern accent. 150 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:25,560 But you can't. Yeah, Because you've been up 151 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:26,680 north. No, I'm a northerner because 152 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,320 you're from the north. I'm from the north. 153 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,480 So as anyone knows who's been listening for a while, I moved 154 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,200 down South when I was about 7:00 or 8:00 where down South. 155 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,400 So I can do both. That's how we're speaking to get 156 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:37,200 away. But yeah, yeah. 157 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,160 Well, you, you're right, you little cockney bugger. 158 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:40,520 That's that's what my uncles say. 159 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,080 So when? I come up there. 160 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,680 Is that what they take? Them they think my voice is 161 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,920 cocktail. I'm like, no, it's not. 162 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,080 I'm just I just sound posh. So when I go up there, I can say 163 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,720 things like bath, yeah, go put kid in bath and that's fit in 164 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:53,840 perfect. Do you feel at home? 165 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,480 Like do the do you feel like that's your natural state? 166 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,680 Oh. My God, I'm, If you've asked me 167 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,320 this, because I've said this before, because I've spent the 168 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,760 whole week thinking honestly, yeah, whenever I go up north, 169 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:04,920 I'm like, this is my default, right? 170 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,080 I do I, I and I've never really felt that. 171 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:08,000 Even though you've been here, it's. 172 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,160 Mental, It's mental. And I feel like with my family 173 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,640 up north, I feel, and this might be wrong because people can tell 174 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:15,800 me how they're with their families. 175 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,360 I feel like I'm closer with my family up north than a regular 176 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,640 family are who are just around each other all the time. 177 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,720 But yeah, I go up there honestly, and it's just like, 178 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,800 I've been there all year. Do you know what I mean? 179 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,520 Yeah, yeah. So it's really, really nice. 180 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,080 And what was what was genuinely really nice was taking Rory. 181 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,560 So Rory is 16 months now. So obviously he's walking 182 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,600 around, he's talking a lot more, he's chatty, but he's really 183 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,360 inquisitive and he takes stuff in more quickly and he can 184 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,000 identify people now and stuff like that. 185 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:46,120 So him meeting all of our family, that was really nice. 186 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,280 And him being in places up in him, like we were staying at my 187 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:51,760 granddad's, that's the same house when I was his age that 188 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,800 I've got pictures of me. Walking around, Did you recreate 189 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,240 any pictures? Yeah, a couple of pictures that 190 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,520 are the same and stuff, but so that that was like, I don't 191 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,480 really get that where we're not up north that often. 192 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,840 So that was that was really nice and we had like 5 days up there 193 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:04,720 and it went really quickly. So I actually really enjoyed it. 194 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,960 I think sometimes people go and see family, they don't it's like 195 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,840 a chore. Yeah, I'm like, God, I want to 196 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:09,840 go. We're probably going to go up, 197 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,040 get an Easter. Yeah, I worried you're just 198 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:12,000 going to get bored, because it's not. 199 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,200 It's something about not being in your own home, isn't there? 200 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:15,680 That can just sometimes be a little bit. 201 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:17,600 Like what for the kids or for the for? 202 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,480 You like I just thought you'd get bored after a couple of like 203 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:20,040 a day or two. I. 204 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,280 Love being in my own home, but equally at the minute, like, you 205 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,240 know, our homes get a lot of building work so we don't have 206 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,920 to be in this room much longer. Honestly, you've been watching 207 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,160 it. It's just like, oh, you're in 208 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:31,840 the office, are you? Yeah. 209 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,320 It's just a little fad box room. Hayden's trying his hardest for 210 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,760 it to look nice and be be pretty nice space to me. 211 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,040 You tried pretty hard. But we're gonna actually get 212 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,640 like a nice space in my house. I think eventually somewhere 213 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,800 where we actually want to be, somewhere we enjoy being. 214 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,280 Sorry, Can. We somewhere we're comfortable. 215 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,560 Can you get out? No, no, because I don't want to. 216 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,400 This is Joe. I will get out when that rooms. 217 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,040 Done. When that rooms done. 218 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:53,200 Trying to play a character there. 219 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,240 Dylan, you made me laugh. So hopefully I'm looking forward 220 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:56,000 to it. Yeah, I'm really looking 221 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,360 forward. To it be new space for us to 222 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,240 work and we will hopefully step up the podcast, you know, Yeah. 223 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,520 I'm excited. I like the idea that we pick 224 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,200 this all up and then we have no idea how to design something 225 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,280 nice. Looks absolutely terrible, even 226 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,320 worse than my my grey wall in the background that we normally. 227 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,120 See the classic 3 pillars of podcasting Yeah, in that way 228 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,240 they. Are they represent? 229 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,440 What do they represent? I don't know they would just 230 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,960 listen to this podcast. They represent. 231 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,680 They represent burnout, moaning and silica. 232 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,280 Gel this one. I hope you guys enjoyed the 233 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,600 story from last last episode. We haven't checked that episode 234 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:30,920 100. Go back and check it out because 235 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,039 we reflected on some of our favourite podcast moments. 236 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:35,120 I've had messages from people about that silica gel story. 237 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:36,799 I'd I'd honestly go and listen to it. 238 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:38,760 Yes. So unhinged. 239 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:41,720 I wish we could be like that on like on demand. 240 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,799 Do you know what I mean? Like I look back, I, I look back 241 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:45,080 at that episode. Funny and interesting. 242 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,080 We're completely unhinged and also therefore funny because I 243 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:50,400 look at that. I'm like, how could you recreate 244 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:51,600 that? I wish we could do that every 245 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,920 single episode. Yeah, we need to probably be 246 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,760 like slightly drunk because at that point we weren't 247 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,280 necessarily drunk, but we, I was just done in on that. 248 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,000 Maybe we don't sleep for three days. 249 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:02,600 And then just get recorded. Let's try that. 250 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,320 It'll be the most incredibly strange thing. 251 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,920 I want to talk about one thing because I think a lot of people, 252 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,240 when we obviously started this podcast, we talked about how our 253 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:13,800 girlfriends fell pregnant quite quickly. 254 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,920 Yeah. And then we had quite a few 255 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,440 months where we didn't mention it on the podcast. 256 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:18,520 We just didn't want it to be a thing. 257 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,640 I think we almost waited until it was about to. 258 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,080 Yeah, we waited quite, quite far. 259 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:23,640 And then a few people are like, oh, this'll be cool. 260 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:24,880 We'll hear more parenting stories. 261 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,480 That'll be fun. And we did it for a bit and we 262 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,480 kind of took a foot off the pedal, didn't we? 263 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,280 I just wanted to have a catch up about the babies. 264 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,000 So yeah, yeah. You know, we work as teachers in 265 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,400 school. And we also have my my son is, 266 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,400 let me get this right, 16 months old. 267 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,080 And we're six weeks behind you. Yeah, six weeks behind. 268 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,440 So it's been quite a journey. And I think for me it was the 269 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,960 the travel. So we travelled up north, that's 270 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,320 a 5 hour journey of driving, but it took us like 7 or 8 hours 271 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,200 because we stopped off, we let him get out of the car. 272 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:54,680 We didn't want to be in the car for too long. 273 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,240 But just like travelling in general, it seems to have like 274 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,320 shifted loads as a parent because it was, it was a 275 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,120 nightmare when they were younger obviously. 276 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,520 And now I feel like they're more able to part with it and I feel 277 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,280 like I'm over it a bit. But I just was thinking back to 278 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,400 when like, I remember your stories about River. 279 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,120 Oh my God. And you'd get her in the car to 280 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,880 go. She just, she would just, she 281 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:22,280 had a weird habit where being in a car seat was like, oh, it's 282 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,560 poo time. So like you potty trained? 283 00:10:25,560 --> 00:10:28,000 No, no, Yeah, the potty was your car. 284 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,240 Like the first few months of my life, she's like, oh, I don't 285 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,040 need a poo, don't need a poo. She'd say that smells because 286 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,360 she could talk. Don't need a poo data father. 287 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,480 Don't need a poo father. And and then as soon as you put 288 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,920 her in the car seat, be like you, you need a poo. 289 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:42,880 No, You sure? No. 290 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,400 OK, I'm going to start driving the car immediately every single 291 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,680 time. One time she literally had a poo 292 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:50,480 like 5 minutes before we left. Put her in the car seat. 293 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:51,600 Had another one, had another one. 294 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,000 Just conjured it out of nowhere. Yeah, this is insane. 295 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:56,080 You're like, right. I'm safe. 296 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,200 Yes. She's done her poo now. 297 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,400 Doesn't matter. Yeah, This poo machine Poo's on 298 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:01,160 demand, baby. Yeah. 299 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:02,360 Yeah. You know, if I hear the engine 300 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:03,600 rib, my bowels are going. I. 301 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:04,760 Don't know what it is, Maybe it's that. 302 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,160 Do you remember when we left Centre Parks? 303 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,920 We went to Centre Parks last year and, and I literally said I 304 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,360 felt quite, quite proud of myself and knowing the habits 305 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,040 here. I said right, we're about to 306 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,520 leave Centre Parks. I said there's no point leaving 307 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,440 too quickly because before we get to the end of the car park, 308 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,480 River will have pooed again. Oh yeah, classic. 309 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,320 She does it all the time. No, she will and she did. 310 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,920 She literally did. We parked up in another space 311 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,560 before we even got out of the car park to change her bum 312 00:11:27,560 --> 00:11:30,440 because she pooped immediately. So fine, it's the one benefit of 313 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:31,840 the massive centre parks car park. 314 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:34,160 You caught the poo. You literally. 315 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,240 Yeah, had enough time to get it for on the motorway, honestly, 316 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,040 but but pleased to say that that doesn't seem to happen anymore. 317 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,320 And actually also the screaming, yeah, that that was a nightmare. 318 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,920 So Riverhead colic, if anyone not in the parenting world 319 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,880 doesn't know what colic might is, no one knows what colic is. 320 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,480 It's just a word we used to say when babies we scream all the 321 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,040 time for no reason, constantly. So she had that for like 3 322 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,120 months at the start of her life, horrendous, horrendously 323 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,200 stressful. So anyway, so car journeys were 324 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,080 just a nightmare because we'd just be thinking she's just 325 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,960 going to scream the whole time and we can't really do anything 326 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,880 because she's in a car. But that doesn't happen anymore. 327 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,480 So we went, obviously in this trip to Cambridge, she just kind 328 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,520 of like slept half the way and then was just awake and just sat 329 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,520 there just, you know, thinking about the world. 330 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:17,960 Well, it's the thing I, I think I worry and a lot of parents 331 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,680 worry about kids being bored. And I don't know if it's 332 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:22,760 something to do with teaching because like again, when we were 333 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:24,960 trained to be teachers, all of us are teachers by the way, our 334 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,880 partners and ourselves. The, the training was very much 335 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,200 in the school environment we were in, rightly or wrongly. 336 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,440 And, and do you know, probably this is the right attitude to 337 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,960 have is, you know, every minute matters kind of thing. 338 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,600 Yeah, no dead time. You're, you're, you're drilled 339 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,080 in to be like, well, if you've got 5 minutes into a lesson, you 340 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:40,520 can do something else. Do you know, I mean you, there's 341 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,000 no dead time. You don't waste the single 342 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,120 second. And that paired with like, oh, I 343 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,880 don't want to, I need to entertain my child at all times. 344 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,640 You become scared of boredom. And, and I think one thing I've 345 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,400 learned through other people talking about it and just my own 346 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,160 experience is kids need to be bored sometimes. 347 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,120 It's like, it's the, it's the base level. 348 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,360 It's, it's where they should be coming from constantly. 349 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,720 You don't need flashing lights constantly stimulating you on a 350 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,440 tablet and stuff like that. You know, and being bored can be 351 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:12,840 annoying as a parent because sometimes the children moan. 352 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:14,160 Yeah, because they're fast. They're fast. 353 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,600 And it's, it's, you can get rid of that by giving them something 354 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,360 to placate them. But it it is just true that it 355 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,400 kids benefit from being bored. Yeah, we are very overstimulated 356 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,840 as a people, aren't we now? Like I'm certainly completely 357 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,280 indoctrinated into, I don't want to be bored for more than 10 358 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:29,360 seconds. I'm bored for more than 10 359 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:30,480 seconds. My phone's out, I'm scrolling. 360 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:31,960 You're scrolling. I'm doing something because I 361 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,160 have to actually do something all the time. 362 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,760 But there is, think about your own childhood, right? 363 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,000 And basically, honestly, probably every generation, 364 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,200 including us, and before there's a very new thing, you're bored 365 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:42,600 all the time. There were so many times as a 366 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,760 kid where I would literally, as a classic example, be throwing a 367 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,880 ball up against the ceiling and seeing if I can lay down and 368 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:49,600 throw it directly. Up. 369 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:51,160 I still do it now because it's fun. 370 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:52,640 I lay down the block. Yeah. 371 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,520 How good can you get at throwing of laying on your back, throwing 372 00:13:56,560 --> 00:13:58,840 something up, seeing if you can make it nearly touch the 373 00:13:58,840 --> 00:13:59,360 ceiling? Yeah. 374 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,640 And catching it again and not going too off target. 375 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:04,400 Oh my God, yeah, and and it coming down the same path went 376 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:05,240 up. I do it now. 377 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,400 Straight above your eye. Honestly, God doing it now. 378 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:12,720 Anyone watching the podcast talking, just throwing a ball, 379 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,280 I'll. Tell you I'll show my skills. 380 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:16,760 Ready for me? Ready. 381 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:17,600 Watch this. Watch this. 382 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,840 You watch this. All the listeners watch this 383 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,680 like that, you know. Just number one, you hit the 384 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,120 roof, not that number two, it wasn't straight. 385 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:27,720 Yeah, okay, you're fine, Yeah. It's so true. 386 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,480 I'm gonna give a quick go. I'm gonna give it you. 387 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,200 Commentate. Yeah, well, because Devon 388 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:32,560 throwing, he's really aiming. Actually. 389 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,480 It's gone straight up awful. Much better than mine, though. 390 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,560 Didn't hit the roof great. But doing that sort of stuff, 391 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,000 you know, it was boring. I used to just have a table 392 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:39,760 tennis. Is there? 393 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,360 Is there an argument in that that's that's we shouldn't be 394 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,120 promoted? No, we. 395 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,680 Should be yeah, no. Get rid of creativity. 396 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:49,920 Give a. Give a. 397 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,840 Ball. Give a ball, throw a tet roof. 398 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,440 Can you make it touch roof son? Yeah, I don't know. 399 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,600 That's like the rubbish version of Kirby you're used to throw a 400 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:00,840 ball it. Was fun. 401 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,640 Yeah, he loved that. Wasn't even boring, that was 402 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,160 fun. Anyway, back to the original 403 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:05,320 point. There is something to be said, 404 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,840 isn't there, about the obsession with we cannot be bored ever? 405 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,120 Yeah, like boredom is so. And I feel like we're projecting 406 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:12,320 that onto our children sometimes. 407 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,400 Yeah. And he, I'm not saying I don't. 408 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:15,600 Aren't I great. No, I do. 409 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,640 I do because I my natural reaction is always bored. 410 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:19,000 Give him something. Yeah. 411 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,000 Yeah, Absolutely. You know, do you know what? 412 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,760 He just existed in that car at points for like 20 minutes 413 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,320 looking around, taking stuff in. And then he enjoyed it when he 414 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,080 got out because he was buzzing, because he could go around and 415 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,480 look at stuff. It's just part of. 416 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,200 I don't know. I just think we're a bit wrongly 417 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:34,720 obsessed with it because of our own habits. 418 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,360 And we've got big tech whose only job is eyes on screen. 419 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,440 The only thing they care about is increasing that time that 420 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,640 we're looking at the screen so that they build things that 421 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,800 literally hack our brains with dopamine into thinking the next 422 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:49,480 hit will be good. They're out. 423 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:50,720 They're out to get us in that respect. 424 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,040 That's their job. So I, I just, I just, I just 425 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,480 worry that our kids are sleepwalking into this world 426 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,760 where they won't even get their childhood first. 427 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,280 They won't even get that what we got first and I'm still falling 428 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,400 into that trap now. I just don't I I can't let that 429 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:10,400 happen sooner to a 2 year old. Well, I mean, you think two 430 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:11,640 things. Firstly, it's also doubled down 431 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,640 by the fact, like you said, we also work in schools where 432 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,680 productivity is it has to be 100% all time. 433 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,240 So we're constantly drilled into being like, there's no dead 434 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,520 time, there's no downtime, which doesn't help being in that 435 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:21,920 profession. Like maybe it's the same in all 436 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,680 professions, I don't know. But also like, and there's a 437 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,960 really classic like boomerish example right here. 438 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,760 But how many, you know, when you go into a restaurant now, how 439 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,960 often like do you see children just being a bit bored? 440 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,960 It's not, I'd say it's not very often that they're typically on 441 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,520 a tablet on some doing something that's keeping stimulated at all 442 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,560 times. Because like that's, that's the 443 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:42,680 kind of age we live in now, though. 444 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:44,840 And, and I'm really keen, and this is going to sound very 445 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,560 naive and I'll reflect on this in a few years. 446 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,360 I'm really, really, really, really keen to try super hard 447 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,400 to, to not revert to like phone screens and tablet screens when 448 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,520 we're out in public. I don't know if it's going to. 449 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:56,320 Happen. I don't know it. 450 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,360 Sounds a bit snobbish, I know. I was literally talking to my 451 00:16:58,360 --> 00:16:59,920 auntie about this because I said the same thing. 452 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,680 I, I do not want to judge other parents at all, even more now 453 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,800 that I've got my own child. And there'll be reasons why and 454 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,760 and there'll be parents who really didn't want to do it, but 455 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,280 they just got. They just have to get through 456 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:09,839 this. Week, I agree. 457 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,839 But I, you know, she was saying how with her little ones, her my 458 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:16,839 cousins now they're in their early 20s. 459 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,160 So she was saying, well when we went out there was a lot more. 460 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,599 There felt like a lot more for the children to do, like they'd 461 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:24,200 get a colouring pack from the colouring pack. 462 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,240 That just doesn't exist. Anymore and it doesn't feel like 463 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,160 it exists. And but her point was like, 464 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,560 children aren't built to be sat in a chair for two hours. 465 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,640 That's fine for an adult to do when you're having a 466 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,320 conversation and you're waiting for your dinner and stuff. 467 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:35,800 Yeah, children aren't built to do that. 468 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,280 Like children want to run around and play. 469 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,680 And her her whole point was like, I, you know, my, my kids 470 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,320 never had these screens and stuff, but they weren't really 471 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,920 available then I think maybe I would have probably turned to 472 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,080 that as at a point to just try and keep them entertained 473 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,920 because children aren't built just to they're equally not 474 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,840 built just to be sat in a chair. You can be bored for bits and 475 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,480 and, but run around being bored. Yeah, exactly. 476 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,480 Or or explore stuff and make your own fun out of the edge of 477 00:17:58,480 --> 00:17:59,920 a table or something. Do you know what I mean? 478 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,400 Like do something to be sat there watching everyone else eat 479 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,880 and like, have a conversation where you're not built for that. 480 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,120 Her point was like, I get why people do it. 481 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:09,840 I just, I wish there were other ways to get around it or or 482 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,240 maybe like there are some restaurants that absolutely 483 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:13,920 you'd never take your kid for whatever reason. 484 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,040 But maybe there are some spaces where this is a. 485 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,160 This. Is a restaurant where you take 486 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,920 your kids and you know, your kids are kind of free to walk 487 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,880 around a bit. Well, the the ultimate 1 is when 488 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,360 the restaurant has a little play area, they've got like a ball 489 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:25,440 pit. You know, like classic thing. 490 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,280 Charlie Chalk So. Yeah, yeah, even like, you know, 491 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,840 when I was a kid, the McDonald's sit in town, it had a massive 492 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,120 play area. So obviously if my mum was like 493 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:35,720 meeting up with her friends or something, she's looking after 494 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,440 me, she'd be like, OK, let's just go to McDonald's. 495 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,160 Wasn't it the best time? And I was like, brilliant. 496 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,000 You go, You ladies can go and chat over there. 497 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:42,960 You ladies. Yeah, you ladies, off you go, Go 498 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,640 and chat. I want to go jump in a ball pit. 499 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:45,960 Tell you. That will keep you busy for a 500 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,560 bit whilst I play. I'll just go go to the ball bit 501 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,960 to throw a ball up as straight as I can shake them off my head 502 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,600 that's. Exactly that lay in the middle. 503 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,360 Make sure no other children can come in and Chuck it. 504 00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:58,000 But I don't know. We're going off on a. 505 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,520 Crazy. No, but it's just parenting in 506 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,520 general. Like my point is, I think God, 507 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,200 Oh my God, it's tough. It's tough. 508 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,680 It's relentless. I feel like it's more relentless 509 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,800 now than it was when there were little babies and like little 510 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,920 potatoes. I feel like if I could rewind, 511 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,280 I'd be telling myself this is the part where you have control 512 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,560 over where he goes. This is the part where your 513 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,880 sleep might not be as good, but you know what's coming. 514 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,280 It's going to be 3 hour cycles of sleep and feed. 515 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,080 At this. You don't get a second. 516 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,680 No, you don't get a second with a baby who can move themselves 517 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,320 around. Being real, are you enjoying 518 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,840 this stage of the most? Cuz so far in most of her life I 519 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,200 was like every stage we got up to I was like, I enjoy this more 520 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,760 than the last stage. Yeah, yeah. 521 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:39,520 Well, have you stopped that? Overall, I think so a little 522 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,800 bit. I find it that we're at that 523 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,440 perfect stage where she can't really talk yet and you know, 524 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,680 she's not got that many like motor skills to do like 525 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,800 interesting things yet, but she can walk around now and fall 526 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:51,480 over all the. Time. 527 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,720 And bump into things and pull things and moan constantly 528 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,200 because like no, she can't communicate properly so she's 529 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,880 constantly like whining and things and I'm like, oh, I think 530 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,120 I liked the previous stage a bit more where she was still really 531 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:06,240 cute and fun but like maybe couldn't run into a table and. 532 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:07,960 Smack her head. I don't know. 533 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,920 I I love my kids, so it's hard. You was going to turn it on me. 534 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,880 I would never say no. I I completely understand what 535 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,600 you mean when I say to people right now is that right now is 536 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,360 the toughest mentally. Yeah. 537 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,320 And what I mean by that is you, you genuinely don't get a 538 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,320 second. And and when I say you don't get 539 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,520 a second, I do get a second because Lauren might be there or 540 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,520 Nanny might be there. However, of course, of course I 541 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,000 actually get time. But someone has to be watched 542 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,200 because he will run and head to butt the table. 543 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,280 Yeah, he will go and like, fall backwards. 544 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,120 Into a wall because he's. Experimenting. 545 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:41,360 Yeah, he's experimenting stuff like he literally me and Lauren 546 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:45,120 were with him the other day playing with him and he still 547 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:46,960 managed just to turn around and whack his head on the table. 548 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,040 Yeah, because that's just he's just lost his balance. 549 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,480 It takes one second. It takes one second. 550 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,280 So you're you are constantly like on guard. 551 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,360 And he's he's going to be moving to one nap soon. 552 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,520 Let's start with when they're when they were napping. 553 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,720 Long naps and stuff. Yours was. 554 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,480 I never did that. I was like, oh God, we've got 555 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:04,520 two hours here. Yeah. 556 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,440 And like that, that's. But anyway, the the point is, 557 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,440 you know, anyone who's followed their journey from becoming 558 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,120 parents and stuff, It's maybe we'll talk about it more in the 559 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:13,520 future. Do like an episode about it, but 560 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,960 it's relentless, Yeah, and. And we're a tough stage right 561 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,360 now. I'd say I'm looking forward to 562 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,880 the next bit, which is just a little bit more robust, can 563 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,480 actually communicate a bit better, can run around with 564 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,680 purpose, like actually maybe go to like playground and stuff 565 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,600 like that. So this bit is, this is tough. 566 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,680 It's just like every day, come on, we've got to get go, get 567 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,000 through this, get up to the next. 568 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,080 Stage Like I said, I love my kid so. 569 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:34,680 I believe at that, I'd never got up. 570 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,480 Dylan loves this child, and apparently I don't. 571 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,080 I love my child more than anybody. 572 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:39,720 I'm joking, It's like teaching, right? 573 00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:42,040 Why do you moans that matter around even then? 574 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,560 Because I do, actually. Really. 575 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,200 You were You were going to swear that I was going to swear you. 576 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,880 Know we I didn't swear so we. Didn't you? 577 00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:50,480 Didn't look to me. I really really. 578 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,840 Fudgy. You look to me then, with those 579 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,080 editing eyes that I hate. You know I'm about to make some 580 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,360 work for you. Even save me or do. 581 00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:00,120 Something for the podcast once in a while. 582 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:01,360 You can't make that joke anymore. 583 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:02,640 Every now and then I've got to edit something. 584 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,960 I can't make that joke anymore. OK, let's let's go on to. 585 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,440 You've got to ram me up. Is that right? 586 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:08,600 Yeah. And you seem to think this 587 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,160 something you mentioned in a minute might lead on to the 588 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:12,760 actual point. Yeah, I've got, I've got 2 589 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,440 little segments of Rival. But before we do that just 590 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,120 really quick because I think you've forgotten, I just want to 591 00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:17,640 know because you've got, they've had this book here the entire 592 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:18,920 time. Can you please tell me what this 593 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:19,760 book? Is and why you've got it. 594 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,400 I got a message from someone called Sam, Sam Jones. 595 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,680 And I want to just show this right now. 596 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,840 So if you're watching, you can see Teaching Teachers. 597 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,320 It's this book he's made. So Sam's only 26. 598 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:30,720 He's mid 20s. He's a teacher. 599 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:31,440 I believe. He's a teacher. 600 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,600 Yeah. And I was really impressed just 601 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,600 in general, by anyone who manages to find time to do 602 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,280 something like this. The kind of thing I thought I 603 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,760 wish I did that when I was younger, a bit more time to 604 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:40,600 write a book. Well, he's done it. 605 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,120 And it's it's a book written by teachers for teachers. 606 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,760 It's just packed with advice. And the whole idea is, you know, 607 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,960 we've done episodes before about what you don't learn on training 608 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:48,600 and stuff like that. Yeah. 609 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,360 Yeah. It's just a book that you can 610 00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:53,720 pick up, especially if you're a newer teacher, I think, and it's 611 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,360 just bits of advice from teachers. 612 00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:56,840 Right. So each bit if I'm looking at 613 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,720 the yeah. Exactly that you've got like the 614 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,000 he's, he's set it out. So it's like a school day, like 615 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,640 in secondary. So registration period, one 616 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,400 period, two period, 3 break time. 617 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,840 But each one's got a section like about the school, about 618 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,200 fundamentals, about exams, about recreation and play and stuff 619 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,000 and about actual teaching. But I just thought, you know 620 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:13,600 what? It's that book. 621 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,120 You don't have to sit and read chapter like front to back. 622 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,440 You can just look at the bits in the in the contents chapters at 623 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,640 the front, the contents at the front and be like, oh, do you 624 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,440 know what? Yeah, I, I do, you know, I 625 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,160 really want to know about how respect and respect work in both 626 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,400 ways. And the idea you don't have to 627 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:29,800 give yourself the child needs to respect you. 628 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,040 You also need to respect the children. 629 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,000 Yeah, yeah, of course. It's just. 630 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,240 And what I like about it, having flipped through and read some, 631 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,920 it's from teachers. You you can't say, oh, that's 632 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:38,920 completely wrong. Yeah. 633 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,280 Yeah. It's it's a teacher with 634 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,880 experience who said this is what. 635 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,440 You can disagree with it if you wanted to. 636 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,400 But you know what? As a new teacher, this is the 637 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,120 kind of thing where it would help me a lot rather than being 638 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:50,840 stood in the DT room being dressed as an elephant. 639 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,360 Giving ideas. Yeah. 640 00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:53,560 Which is what I would have done. Yeah. 641 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:54,040 Brilliant. Cool. 642 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:54,640 Thanks for that. Yes. 643 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:55,800 Have a lot. Thanks for sending us the book. 644 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,320 I will link it down below. I appreciate that and a nice 645 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,160 chat with Sam seems like a really nice guy. 646 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,800 So this one were. Fantastic. 647 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,840 Well, after that lovely positivity, it's time to get you 648 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,720 a noise. So I've got two things. 649 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,960 The boat again, I was always from the Internet, found them. 650 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,160 I thought, Oh yeah, save that. I used to tell you about these 651 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,400 things straight away and now I save them to get you annoyed on 652 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,280 the podcast. So this first one someone wrote 653 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:19,160 I've got we have optional lunch meetings for 45 minutes once per 654 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,440 week. And I'm weird anyway, right? 655 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,000 For the staff meeting optional lunch staff meetings 45 minutes 656 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,480 once per week. How are you sorry? 657 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:27,920 Go on. I'm just going to. 658 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:33,160 Yeah, but if you don't go, the other staff send children to 659 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,880 come and get you from your classroom, and they also have 660 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,920 weekly staff meetings for an hour and a half once a week. 661 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,640 Yeah. On top of that, yeah. 662 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,640 Sometimes, well, this is anonymous, Yeah. 663 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,000 Sometimes I think people make stuff up, like, like sometimes I 664 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,720 think and and. And that's is one of two things, 665 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,400 right? Either it's made-up, yeah, or 666 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,040 it's completely. Insane. 667 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,080 I think it's completely insane. That seems too bizarre and I can 668 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,240 see it happening. So first thing, just on that, 669 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,640 it's clearly not optional then. Yeah, right. 670 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,680 So that's the first thing. But the second thing, even if it 671 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,760 was optional, and let's say the children come round and you're 672 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,040 just like, no, sorry, it's lunchtime. 673 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:11,840 Yeah. How? 674 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:15,920 But how useful can a meeting be if you already accept 675 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,800 beforehand? But it's OK, some people don't 676 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,920 come. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. 677 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,880 At the baseline, if you're saying this is an optional 678 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,120 meeting, you're saying it's not very important. 679 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:26,720 It's not essential. It's not essential. 680 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,400 Yeah, it's optional. So it sounds like what they're 681 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,120 trying to do in this situation is they have a meeting they 682 00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:34,440 think is essential. They know they're not allowed to 683 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:35,240 say it. They're. 684 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,760 Not allowed to do that. So we'll just say it's optional, 685 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,440 but then not remotely treat it as if it's optional. 686 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,240 Do you know there's no defence for that? 687 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,680 I, I, I really try now and think of a defence. 688 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,040 Yeah. Because I'm very aware that some 689 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,360 people, this, this might get clipped as a reel or something. 690 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:53,160 And some people like, I'm getting found it all the time. 691 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,280 So, yeah. But when something like that 692 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:01,640 happens, sometimes, sometimes the adequate response is to just 693 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:02,480 moan. Yeah. 694 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,520 But what's your advice? What would you tell? 695 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,440 And that's a solution. Sometimes the solution is to 696 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,040 tell someone. To I wonder, are we going to 697 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:12,640 swear again? No. 698 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:13,840 I didn't swear the last. Time, I know. 699 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,480 Yeah, sometimes the solution is to just. 700 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,440 Say like, absolutely not. Absolutely not. 701 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,080 Yeah. Absolutely not. 702 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,680 And do you know what isn't it? I think a lot of teachers, as 703 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,840 teachers, we're not even against working in our lunchtime because 704 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,760 we do it every day. How do you think we transition 705 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,320 from an English lesson, writing and books to a science lesson 706 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,680 with an experiment from 12 to one with with a lunch break 707 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,160 where we don't do any work? Of course we do. 708 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,000 We either are marking or setting up the next lesson. 709 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,320 Like if you want a really good quality lesson, what do you 710 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,360 think happens between doing English and science? 711 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,760 Yeah, but you can just walk your hair or. 712 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,480 English and art. Whatever your lessons for lunch 713 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,320 and art, yeah. All, all the tables have changed 714 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,200 position and there's been paper laid out and there's paint. 715 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,440 Now. Now the fairies have been. 716 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,040 The fairies have been because teachers don't work in 717 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,240 lunchtime. That's their own time. 718 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,680 They'll be working lunch time every day. 719 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,360 Yeah. I'd go as far as saying, and 720 00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:03,560 maybe it's just me because it's just my habits that I've never 721 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:08,120 ever, ever in 10 years, maybe on Appa day this is not true. 722 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,360 Never taken my entire lunch like from minute to like the first 723 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,520 minute to the last minute. Like I've never just lunch just 724 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,360 started and I've just got up and left gone for the entire hour or 725 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:19,560 whatever you get and then come back right at the last minute. 726 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,720 I've always had. I've always prepping or marking 727 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,200 the previous thing. I'm guessing something. 728 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,280 Just think about it. Lunchtime is always billed as 729 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,320 the children's lunchtime, right? Yeah. 730 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,640 So you work, you do your lesson until lunchtime, and then you've 731 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,720 got a pack up, get your kids lined up, take them to the lunch 732 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,560 hall. That's your lunch time now. 733 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:36,240 Yeah. Yeah. 734 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,760 You've also then the kids lessons start at the end of 735 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,280 lunch time. So very often in schools, 736 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,440 whistles will go 5 minutes early, the kids will start 737 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:43,760 lining up. You need to get your kids in 738 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:45,960 that. So I, I might sound like I'm 739 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,320 being pedantic. I'm like, oh, well, of course 740 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,400 you've got to do that. OK, fine. 741 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,280 OK, Maybe I can accept that. 5 minutes either side. 742 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:52,960 Yeah. Like in maybe all other jobs, 743 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,160 that happens. Of course, you know, you've got 744 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,480 to leave your office at 12:00. You've got to walk to the staff 745 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,680 room and get your lunch like that. 746 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,040 That's part of your life. That's fine. 747 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,720 OK, but that's not what all we do. 748 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,200 No, you've got, you've got to then either you're marking then 749 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,080 or in after school, which is still your own time, you've got 750 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,680 to prep. I think people forget prep. 751 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,360 I think that's the big thing that people forget about 752 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:15,240 teaching, is the preparation is such a big part of it. 753 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:16,880 Yeah. I've had loads of people comment 754 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,760 saying, well, how do teachers rack up all these hours every 755 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,120 week on reels I've done recently? 756 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,440 I was like, yeah, but you're just forgetting that they need 757 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:24,760 to exist. Do you want to come and trim the 758 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,000 paper that I trim? Do you want to spend as much 759 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,600 time as I do trimming paper? Yeah. 760 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:29,720 It's insane. It's mental. 761 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:30,880 It's. Insane. 762 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,280 It's so backwards and I think there's lots of solutions to 763 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,240 this, but you can't just say it doesn't happen, it does. 764 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,840 What we should do, what we should do is pop in cheeky 765 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,120 little optional 45 minute meeting in that lunchtime as 766 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,040 well every now and. Then, and do you know what this 767 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,120 week's meeting's about? How to save time at lunch? 768 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,200 Come on, come on up, come on up to the meeting at lunch. 769 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,520 We'll take a save time at lunch. Anyways, that was one. 770 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,840 The second one I think links really nicely to what actually 771 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,000 talk. OK, let's do so. 772 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,320 We'll do this, then we'll do a little Jingle. 773 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,080 Yeah, we'll do that. We'll talk about, but you'll see 774 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,560 how it links. So this is a bit long one. 775 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:00,840 Again, anonymous as it always is. 776 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,960 This person said they've had the worst day in school ever. 777 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,120 A parent came to see them after school to say that. 778 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,200 Other parents in the class have set up a WhatsApp group to 779 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,520 criticise that teacher. How like, oh imagine hearing 780 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,480 that. Horrendous isn't it? 781 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,480 And said that some said that some really unkind comments have 782 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,360 been made in the group. She wouldn't show me the 783 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,120 messages but it left me heartbroken. 784 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,760 I really don't think I can go in tomorrow. 785 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,480 I've been teaching for 18 years and this has floored me. 786 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,040 Governors, it's getting worse, it gets worse. 787 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,520 Head of governors said nothing they can do about it. 788 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,880 Nothing they nothing they can do about it. 789 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,360 Came back today and had 14 emails from parents criticising 790 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,360 me of things that happened when I wasn't at school. 791 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,520 So basically it just sounds like a classic old witch hunt here of 792 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,080 this teacher. Yeah, in a way. 793 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,400 Like, I don't know what this teacher's done. 794 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:45,520 I don't know. I don't know this teacher. 795 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,000 All I know is that context right there. 796 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,280 But I thought I'd just get your feelings on this idea that 797 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,480 there's a WhatsApp group. What? 798 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,400 Was the parent who told them just trying to be nice or was 799 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,760 she part or he part of? The don't know, don't know. 800 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,080 I get I get the idea that this parent has gone to them being 801 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,400 like, I'm sorry, but this is this is being made so the 802 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:02,680 parents just letting you know because. 803 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,640 You can try and help in terms of it might be helpful to at least 804 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,520 know this is going on for your back because it was going on 805 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,360 behind your back. Although it's horrible, it's 806 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,160 probably better to know so you can try and go down the right 807 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:16,960 channels and stuff perhaps. Sometimes I I feel like I've not 808 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,200 really got good advice. Like I don't want it. 809 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,560 I don't want it to be me to pretend, don't have to. 810 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:22,760 Advice. It could just be how you feel 811 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,120 like. But I, I like giving people 812 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,720 advice in terms of just being there, in terms of if, if I was 813 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,120 in that situation, what was I do? 814 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,480 I, I would, you'd, you'd have to, you'd have to try and just 815 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,040 get through it. Like I, I think it's horrendous. 816 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,280 I think it's horrible if if, if, if a teacher's done something 817 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,080 worth complaining about, you know, you should just go through 818 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,880 the right channels. It should be from the parents to 819 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,800 the school to create a WhatsApp group just to moan about someone 820 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,440 seems a bit insane to nursery and and again like you said we 821 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,520 don't know what this teacher has done but. 822 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,760 For that many parents to get involved, maybe something's 823 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:56,920 happened. Yeah, potentially. 824 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,240 But I just don't think this is the road to go to. 825 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,480 No, it's not the route there. We have complaints policy that's 826 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,080 all in place. Like what makes me probably the 827 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,320 most sad of this whole thing is not the fact that that would 828 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,600 honestly be crushing, wouldn't it, to have that like have that 829 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,160 happen to you. It's just the fact that like, we 830 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,400 have line managers and governors and things like for a reason. 831 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,320 And when they don't, it's not about backing you up. 832 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,760 It's literally about just acceptable. 833 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,280 Yeah. Like if I was the governor, the 834 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,520 head teacher, I'd be like okay, even if I don't know what the 835 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,520 evidence is or maybe even I think as a head teacher. 836 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,320 Actually this teacher has been getting my nerves recently. 837 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,080 They have been not doing a job properly and I can see why the 838 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,440 parents are annoyed. I would still send out a letter 839 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,160 or something saying it's completely unacceptable and 840 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,120 professional to do insert this thing that they've done. 841 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,040 If you have a problem, here are correct complaints policies. 842 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,080 If nothing comes through, we will assume there is nothing 843 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,560 wrong. This is not acceptable. 844 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,680 Like just something like, come on, like, you know, we've got, I 845 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,200 don't know. It's a weird dichotomy, isn't 846 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,200 it, Where in a traditional business you would have 847 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:56,160 customers, staff and it feels like customers can be more angry 848 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,400 and be like, this is this is wrong. 849 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,960 I wouldn't want to when it's schools and stuff. 850 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:02,280 It just just feels different because because you're not 851 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,840 paying, everyone pays tax like before anyone comes. 852 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,720 It's not like a direct transaction of, of of goods, 853 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,120 tangible money, the way of doing so. 854 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,480 It's so tricky. And I agree completely with what 855 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,000 you just said. I think the biggest thing here 856 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,720 is how it's been done. And I'd, I'd think I'd be really 857 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,760 gutted if that happened. I'd be more than as a 858 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,760 professional, more than able to take criticism and say I didn't 859 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,320 like this because of that. And then at least I can have the 860 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,600 right of reply. But well, that didn't happen or 861 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,920 that did happen because of this. Maybe I was wrong. 862 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:30,920 Let's go through the right channels. 863 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,400 I think a big problem that we have and we'll talk about soon 864 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:39,600 maybe is the balance of the, the wall of professionalism we have 865 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,600 to kind of traverse because we're the professional. 866 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,760 We go, oh, we, we couldn't stick to that level if teachers were 867 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,960 found in the WhatsApp. This has happened before in a 868 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,640 WhatsApp group, saying stuff about the children or the 869 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,840 parents like this. It would be the end of their 870 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:51,640 job. Of course it would. 871 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,040 They'd probably. Get fired and, and potentially 872 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,920 correctly depending on what was said, But because because 873 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,600 they're the parents on the parents side, it feels as if 874 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,240 like this governor's saying, there's nothing we can do. 875 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,880 It feels like there's a there's a shift there different in 876 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,880 expectations of what you should part with and as a teacher 877 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,560 expected to part with more than what you are on the parents 878 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,960 side. Like you would imagine parents 879 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,240 imagine teachers getting together to say, Can you believe 880 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,280 this parenting style this, this parent awful. 881 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,520 They let them stay up till 9 on fortnight on a night and then 882 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,120 they were knackered that morning and naffs. 883 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,240 That's horrendous parenting. That'd be the end of the world. 884 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,800 You could never say that. You can imagine the headlines 885 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,680 and stuff, but it's OK the other way around to say, Oh my God, my 886 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,000 child. They, they, they picked up their 887 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,360 handwriting. They tried really hard with the 888 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,240 handwriting and the teacher, said the handwriting teacher. 889 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,400 'S such an idiot, isn't she? She's such, so stupid. 890 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,600 She's so rubbish at her job. Let's make a group and talk 891 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:39,840 about it. How much we hate this teacher. 892 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,480 It's just so backwards. Yeah, it is. 893 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,120 Mad how? Yeah, I agree. 894 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,120 I have everything you just said. But I think let's talk about it 895 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,600 because we're not, you know, after Jingle, we're going to, 896 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,120 we're going to chat about this sort of thing. 897 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,240 We'll get a bit more detailed. As well. 898 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,800 Hey, I've just just been wondering, why do people hate 899 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,200 teachers? We're going to talk about 900 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,560 teacher bashing. It's something we see quite a 901 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,840 lot. And I think the first thing to 902 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:05,800 say is I don't think the majority of people bash and hate 903 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,520 teachers. I mean, it's really important to 904 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,120 get clear, I think the vast majority of people actually 905 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,159 really respect us. I think there's a bunch of 906 00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:14,000 people who just feel neutral. That's just another job. 907 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,480 I work hard, you work hard crack on. 908 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,360 And I completely respect that. I don't expect to be put in a 909 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,920 pedestal by anyone. But the minority are extremely 910 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,920 loud. And we see this a lot and we 911 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,560 kind of split it into four groups and we're going to try 912 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,000 and dive into them and just think about how they bash 913 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,679 parents and why maybe and, and maybe talk about why we get a 914 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:31,280 raw deal sometimes from those groups. 915 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,440 So they're they are parents and like we've just spoken about and 916 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,199 we'll go into more detail about how some parents bash teachers. 917 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,239 The press is a big one. We got a lot and a specific 918 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:41,639 press outlets. You can probably think of some 919 00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:42,960 right now. We're gonna focus on one. 920 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:44,040 Yeah. Have a little, have a little 921 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,880 game. Which which one press outlet? 922 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,080 Which newspaper do you think we've really focused on here? 923 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:50,840 Yeah. We've got literally our own 924 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,199 family members. Yeah. 925 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:54,320 Like, like they literally go for us. 926 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,040 And I mean, I've had a really good experience with family. 927 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,120 Again, my family listened to this. 928 00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,160 I don't think. Can't imagine. 929 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:00,520 That. But here's The thing is it is a 930 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:01,960 group of people that teachers find. 931 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,840 Yeah, exactly. And the last one. 932 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,760 General public. That's just people in general. 933 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,600 And that's coming from experience of us doing a teacher 934 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,840 podcast and releasing reals out and we've seen it we've. 935 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,000 Social media, we see a lot of it. 936 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,160 We'll come to that conversation later. 937 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,800 I think we start parents. We were just kind of talking 938 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,080 about it anyway. Yeah, I am just gonna start by 939 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,080 saying basically just reinforcing what you said. 940 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,600 I think sometimes people do jump on us and they only listen to 941 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,160 the bits where we own and they forget that we do actually have 942 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,760 wider opinions than that. So let's just start by saying 943 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,880 this. Most parents, in fact, almost 944 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,880 all parents that we've had experience with and I know 945 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,320 across the country, across the land as you used to say. 946 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,360 I think, I think you say Dylan says land more than I say land. 947 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,640 You've only said it like twice, but I've said the reference 948 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,360 about four times across the land because I love it across the 949 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,840 land. It's just such a great phrase. 950 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,320 But most, most parents honestly put us all on a pedestal. 951 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,720 They actually really, really, really respect teachers and 952 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:54,600 they're so incredibly nice. Like you know that they will go 953 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,640 as far as buying you a gift at the end of the year. 954 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:57,920 Like that's how much they respect. 955 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,360 And they back. Us up, they back you up. 956 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,920 They're lovely. So like Dylan said, we know that 957 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,680 that is the majority. But for whatever reason, we do 958 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,960 seem still seem to see a lot of teacher bashing more than you 959 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,840 probably would in a lot of other jobs. 960 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,800 Like on what is that? And part of the problem is some 961 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,120 of the culture around parents. And we do think that has 962 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,680 probably changed a little bit over time as well. 963 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,680 So I'm going to break this down into a few different things. 964 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,880 Yeah, I don't know if you, I kind of want to start my own 965 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,480 experiences. Yeah, if that's all right. 966 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,120 I just did like set the scene. Yeah, I think, I think what 967 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,480 that's what we can talk about generally. 968 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,400 We can say like, oh, what in general in the public people are 969 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,040 saying it's getting worse. Like that might be true. 970 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,880 Yeah. All we can say is from our point 971 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,640 of view and from the teachers we've literally spoken to, it is 972 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,520 I just want to preface everything we're saying now 973 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,280 with. I want people to understand as 974 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,320 teachers that we are in this mode, quite a lot of thinking 975 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,680 about protection and stuff for our staff because. 976 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,480 And many teachers listening to this will probably have the same 977 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,240 subconscious thought where if you're dismissing your children 978 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:57,600 or it's end of day and you see a parent and a teacher talking 979 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,080 maybe on their own somewhere, just like a parent just called 980 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,040 them part of our job. More than happy to talk to 981 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,440 parents all the time. As a teacher, if I see that and 982 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,200 no one else is around or other teachers are busy, I make the 983 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,200 conscious choice and effort to be within earshot of the 984 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,040 conversation. Now that's not to jump to 985 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,600 anyone. It's not for me to say all the 986 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,480 teachers always in the right and I've got to make sure I'm 987 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,880 defending my teacher. That's part of it that I want to 988 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,080 defend my teacher. I also just like, I just like to 989 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,480 defend the truth because I've seen too often that those kind 990 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,920 of off the cuff chats will be used by some parents to justify 991 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,760 and say, well, they said this about time just said this, it's 992 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,880 completely wrong and it's word versus word and just having 993 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,160 another pair of ears. So I just want people to 994 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,680 understand that this is built into our culture. 995 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:39,920 This isn't just something we're saying now. 996 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,480 This is something we think about and and we've seen not loads but 997 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,240 enough where we just understand there's something. 998 00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:48,520 Going on well, we know that people, this is true in all 999 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,800 aspects of life. We like to talk about negative 1000 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,520 stuff more than we talk about positive stuff. 1001 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,000 I remember someone and the four artists who it was was telling 1002 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,520 me that that this is like evolution at its finest, right? 1003 00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,760 It's like when you when you're, you know, go back to hundreds of 1004 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,400 thousands of years. I mean, right, you, you want to 1005 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,480 be more aware of the predators that are trying to eat you. 1006 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,880 Do you know what I mean? So you're way more attuned to 1007 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,880 things that negative life. I don't know how true this is as 1008 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,000 an analogy, but I thought it was a good, you know, an analogy to 1009 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,000 to compare it to. But we are in general, right? 1010 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,440 So I kind of assume, maybe wrongly, I don't know, but I 1011 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,560 kind of assume when I see a parent approaching me or 1012 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,960 approaching another teacher, I'm like, oh, got something bad to 1013 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,080 say. But but but. 1014 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,880 You assume that based on your experience as well. 1015 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,120 Where we're more likely it is, yeah. 1016 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,160 As a teacher, unless we're really trying to be honest, are 1017 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,560 we more likely to catch a parent to say, oh, this bad thing 1018 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:32,920 happened, yeah. Or oh, this good? 1019 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,840 Thing 100% the first one yeah absolutely. 1020 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,800 And I really consciously try not to do that but it is a very 1021 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,040 conscious effort. I very naturally if something 1022 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,360 bad happens yeah. I'm going to tell the parent 1023 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,520 that your, you know, your kid did this today. 1024 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,560 If something good happens, Pat in the back, your kid threw my 1025 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:45,880 shoes on the on the on the roof today. 1026 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,200 That's why I've got no shoes on. OK. 1027 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,200 But something good happens. Yeah. 1028 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,920 But he did. He did compliment my shoes and 1029 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,520 he did it so. Give him a treat on the way 1030 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,600 home, I think. Yeah. 1031 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,320 So definitely, yeah, we do that. That is part of a culture. 1032 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,480 Isn't it OK, let's let's do our let's do our own experiences 1033 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,320 then, because like you said, no one, no one can argue with this. 1034 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,280 This is what I like about when you talk about this is literally 1035 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,520 things that have happened to us. So from parents point of view, 1036 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,320 Hayden, what what interactions have you had where you've just 1037 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,960 felt targeted or just just just treated incorrectly do? 1038 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,760 You know what, only a couple. Again, I'll make that really 1039 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:15,840 clear. I've been teaching for 10 years 1040 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,840 and I've only had a couple of interactions with parents where 1041 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,440 I look back and think, God, that was horrendous. 1042 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,080 Like they were, they were vile towards me. 1043 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:22,640 That wasn't, you know, appropriate. 1044 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,640 One of them just seems mad to me. 1045 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,920 This child, generally a lovely child, by the way. 1046 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,840 So it's not someone I've had many interactions with the 1047 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,920 parents like for negative reasons at all, just swore in 1048 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,480 the class that another child and I was like, that was 1049 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,680 inappropriate. It was right at the end of the 1050 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,240 day, literally we were leaving. So I thought I should probably 1051 00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:40,880 tell the parent because they made the other kid cry and 1052 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,600 they've just sworn at the top of their lungs about this child 1053 00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:47,800 brought the just caught sort of backing the dad over and said, 1054 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,080 you know, just explain the situation and their reaction. 1055 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,280 They would like so like defensive immediately, like 1056 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,080 physically in the way they stood, you know, listen to me as 1057 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,360 if like, who the hell are you talking? 1058 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,800 About This is a dad. Or this is a dad. 1059 00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,680 Yeah, she went. No, she didn't. 1060 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,400 So what do you mean? No, No, no. 1061 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,000 I'm just. Sorry. 1062 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,000 You must not have heard me. I'm just she she was just 1063 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,120 swearing another child on the way out. 1064 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,120 I just thought I'd let you know so you can maybe just talk about 1065 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:09,800 swearing tonight when you have a chat with her. 1066 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,320 No, she didn't. My child doesn't swear. 1067 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,680 She doesn't swear. Oh my God, she doesn't swear. 1068 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,320 What do you do? I like, violently looking at me 1069 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,760 in the eyes. She doesn't swear. 1070 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,680 Sort of grabbed her as if to be like, come on, we're going. 1071 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,680 I was like, oh, it's just that. Yeah, Yeah. 1072 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,680 Well, yeah. Well, yeah, I'm not going to say 1073 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,280 that at home because my child doesn't swear it off her 1074 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:27,120 children. Thank you. 1075 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,120 And walked off, stormed off, but was like really, really horribly 1076 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,080 rude. You know, like in that moment 1077 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,160 where you're like, I was almost like shaking where I was like. 1078 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,280 But not only is he saying you're lying. 1079 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,520 Yeah, he's talking to you like you're. 1080 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:39,840 Yeah, Like I'm just like, I'm just nothing. 1081 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,160 Yeah. And I was like, I don't know 1082 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:42,560 what to do now. Like you said in that situation 1083 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,920 earlier with like where the governors weren't backing up the 1084 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,520 teacher because it's like, oh, don't want to, don't want to 1085 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,480 question their parents back so that maybe be wrong when the 1086 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,840 parents are being clearly vile. It was one of those moments 1087 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,160 where I'm like, my natural instinct here is like, I want to 1088 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,680 tell you to F off honestly, like, who the hell do you think 1089 00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,240 you are? He was on the. 1090 00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:01,520 Streets, yeah. But you think, oh, I better not. 1091 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,640 I better not, you know, retaliate with 10% of that venom 1092 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,400 because I'll be the one that gets in trouble for it. 1093 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,600 Yeah, because they as way more leeway as parents. 1094 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,080 And so I just took it, which annoyed me even more than I'm 1095 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,240 walk away. I'm thinking I've just let 1096 00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:14,840 someone talk to me. Like that, but do you think that 1097 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,000 is contributing to parents feeling like maybe they can get 1098 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,000 away more and more because it's culture of I I swear like years 1099 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,320 and years ago, a teacher could sit there and say this happened. 1100 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,840 That's that's pathetic. The teacher could almost come, 1101 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,640 probably too vile sometimes with the teacher. 1102 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,080 It made me horrible, but it's gone too far the other way in 1103 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,520 terms of the protection, like someone talking to you like 1104 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:32,240 that. I just. 1105 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,160 I just don't feel I can put up anymore. 1106 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,600 Yeah, yeah. I just don't want to. 1107 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,440 Similar sort of thing. And I'm sure you've got a story 1108 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,920 as well. Same sort of thing at a parents 1109 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,560 evening a few years ago, I guess. 1110 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:43,760 I don't know. It's always a dad. 1111 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,160 My two stories are both being with dads, Yeah. 1112 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,320 But I think we're going to talk about it. 1113 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,320 Later we'll talk about men, men and women and beer, you know, 1114 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,840 from our experiences. But a dad just like so 1115 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,400 condescendingly and patronisingly told me and my job 1116 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,280 share teacher off before disciplining their child told us 1117 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,560 like was literally like, you won't be doing that again, will 1118 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,560 you? That kind of language. 1119 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,320 So yeah, I don't think so. Oh my. 1120 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,000 Do you really think so? My child did that. 1121 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,680 I don't think my child. Did you do that, son? 1122 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,840 No, you didn't, did you? What did? 1123 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,880 So maybe next time it was really patronising. 1124 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,920 Like I said, maybe next time your teachers will be a little 1125 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,360 bit more cautious before they do that. 1126 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,480 It was that kind of talk. And it was like, who the hell do 1127 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,560 you think you're talking to? Yeah, insane, but you'd never 1128 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,040 dream of doing it the other. Way no. 1129 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:24,840 This is the. This is the. 1130 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,440 Theme here like. Again, didn't retaliate too much 1131 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,160 because it was like, it's not worth it because if I remotely, 1132 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,640 if I remotely answer back, that'll go straight to the head 1133 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:33,680 and guess. And do you know what? 1134 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:34,800 Not, not anything against our head. 1135 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,520 Do you know how they're probably going to back up the parents? 1136 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,280 Because it's not worth that fight for them either, because 1137 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:39,480 then they'll go to the governors. 1138 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:40,760 Yeah. It's. 1139 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,040 Just like you just have to like there's a point where it's like, 1140 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,680 do you do we just have to put up with this or was I just being a 1141 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,800 bit? Yeah, like, but I think that. 1142 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,200 Attitude is what's what's ending up with this culture growing. 1143 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,720 They think I got with that last time there these silly teachers 1144 00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:56,600 that never never forget. Just have a word of them. 1145 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,760 Who they think they are knowing my child's behaviour. 1146 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:00,440 Yeah, but you've mentioned this before. 1147 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,600 I think you made a really good point. 1148 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,760 I don't think we'd ever question the fact that a child parents 1149 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,640 knows them best to have anyone in the world, which is 1150 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,120 completely true. But that doesn't that doesn't 1151 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,360 translate to 100% of the time. Every single time. 1152 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,440 No, that dad really probably knew her kid, and her child 1153 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,560 probably doesn't swear at. Home. 1154 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,480 Her kid. Sorry, his his child probably 1155 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,520 doesn't swear at home. Yeah, probably doesn't do that. 1156 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,640 And but but that you can't translate that to every single 1157 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,200 time anyone says anything about my child, though. 1158 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,240 I'll know the right answer immediately without knowing any. 1159 00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:29,440 Evidence. No, my favourite 1 is my child 1160 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,680 doesn't lie. Yeah, I know. 1161 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,280 At that point I'm disengaged. Honestly, I've heard that a lot 1162 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,440 of times, not even just in like a horrible conversation, just 1163 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,960 genuinely parents be like, Oh no, no, no, they don't lie. 1164 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,080 They don't lie at home. I'm thinking mate. 1165 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,480 If anything, they're the best liars then. 1166 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,000 Yeah, they just, they are lying. Every single child lies. 1167 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,760 It is natural. Like you just learn to either 1168 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,920 lie better or not lie as much when you get older because you 1169 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,520 realise that people cracked you out and it's embarrassing. 1170 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,120 Every child lies. It's part. 1171 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,680 Time growing up honestly, you push the boundaries and you make 1172 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,840 stuff up. Like it's literally proven to be 1173 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,680 part of how we sane socialise. My my wider. 1174 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,200 Point here, because I know you're kind of getting at it 1175 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,480 then, is sometimes I feel a little bit offended when parents 1176 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,920 think that I can't sort of analyse and spot maybe 1177 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,240 behavioural patterns because I, I always want to say I've never 1178 00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:15,080 said this to a parent, but I've had it in my mind I had. 1179 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,600 It in this podcast. I'm going to say it right now. 1180 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,960 I had it in the in my mind when that parent was talking to me as 1181 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,840 it like condescendingly patronising me like, oh, as if 1182 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,800 like I don't unrecognised poor behaviour. 1183 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,040 I want to be like, oh, how many kids have you raised? 1184 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:27,600 How many? How many kids have you talked 1185 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:28,600 about? Maybe 2. 1186 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,280 Interesting. About 1000 for me for the last 1187 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,680 10 years I spent 10 hours a day, you know, 6 hours a day with 1188 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,200 them. I don't know, that sounds really 1189 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,160 up my own, but I get it. But there is, there is some 1190 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,880 truth and it's like, yeah, do you know what I have taught 1191 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,040 honestly like 1000 children though I am, I do, I am quite 1192 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,240 well equipped to recognise behavioural patterns, recognise 1193 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:48,440 like spot things quite quickly, like give me a little bit of 1194 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,520 credit and don't just don't talk to me like I don't know 1195 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,560 anything. Like I find it so offensive that 1196 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,480 they do that. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely on 1197 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,600 on that kind of, I guess theme of what's the line for a teacher 1198 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,240 coming back at someone. I can think of two examples in 1199 00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:05,760 my career, one at the start and one at the end where I was kind 1200 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,560 of treated in the same way, but I reacted to it much 1201 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,640 differently. So I was basically both times a 1202 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,680 parent was raising their voice to me, really not happy about 1203 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,520 something, something directly that maybe the school had done 1204 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,560 or the policy that was in place. One time it was to do with a 1205 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,280 football tournament and the first time was to do with the 1206 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,560 football tournament that their child couldn't join in with 1207 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,680 because they hadn't brought in shin pads or something. 1208 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,600 That meant they couldn't play because that was the role. 1209 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,960 But they paid a pound to play. It was like a summer fair thing. 1210 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,840 And a parent was very angry, shouting him, why can't, why has 1211 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,160 my son been sat there watching football this whole time? 1212 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,320 Then why has he done that? He's paid his pound. 1213 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:42,840 Why is he, why is he not allowed to do it? 1214 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,680 And I should have said something along the lines of, oh, because 1215 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,840 like we said, when you paid the pound and you put the 1216 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,760 permissions slip that they have to bring these things with them 1217 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,200 or else they won't be able to do it. 1218 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,440 And he didn't bring those things because you and your son forgot 1219 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,520 to bring those things. Yeah, yeah, didn't say. 1220 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,600 That as I was very young and I was like, oh, sorry. 1221 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,920 Oh, gosh, oh, yes, oh, that is annoying. 1222 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,320 I guess you'll have to go and just talk to the sports coach 1223 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:04,640 who's running it. I was just fobbed off. 1224 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,120 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I didn't want to be shy at 1225 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,400 that, basically. And I was like worried I was, 1226 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,360 oh, maybe I'm wrong. Then. 1227 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,880 Then Fast forward in the last couple of years, I've had a 1228 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,800 parent come in very shouty, very annoyed. 1229 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,160 I'm like, why has my child sat next to this child in this seat 1230 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,840 and planned blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 1231 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,760 That's they, they're really bad. They're bad for each other. 1232 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,000 You know, there's history of them doing this, etcetera. 1233 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,280 I'm just like, yeah, OK. So this time what I can say to 1234 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,760 them was the first thing I said to this parent was, are you OK? 1235 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,160 Like not, not, not horribly, not patronised, like just doing like 1236 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,920 are you, are you OK? Yeah, yeah. 1237 00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:36,360 Yeah, well, of course I am. I just want to. 1238 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,960 You're being very loud. You seem really angry at the 1239 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:39,960 minute about this. Yeah. 1240 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,800 And you're shouting and I I can't really. 1241 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,600 We can't solve anything whilst you're shouting. 1242 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,600 And very quickly she did. Stunned it a bit. 1243 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:48,840 Yeah. Yeah. 1244 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:49,320 Sorry. No. 1245 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:50,720 And. And she'd say something. 1246 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,200 Oh, I am a lovely person. Really. 1247 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,600 I don't sorry, I don't shout. I thought, OK, cool, we can talk 1248 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,800 about it, but I'm not going to talk to you whilst we're 1249 00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,800 shouting. Basically the whole thing was 1250 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,040 just. About taking control, basically. 1251 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,360 Yeah, just take, take a bit more control and be like, let's let's 1252 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,720 you know, I'm happy to talk to you about this. 1253 00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:07,080 Yeah. But you can't shout at me. 1254 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,280 You can't come and talk to me like that. 1255 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,440 It's just unacceptable. It could have gone the other way 1256 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,040 where they got worse because of it. 1257 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,600 And that I don't know how I would have dealt with that. 1258 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:14,560 Yeah. Because if you just let them 1259 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,920 carry on chatting and you answered their questions there, 1260 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,880 then it's like just behave with anyone and play with a child. 1261 00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:21,440 You let them behave in a certain way too and you carry on 1262 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,040 actually normal. Then they're then like, oh, I'm 1263 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,320 allowed to do. That then there was two there 1264 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,400 was 2 levels to this and the most important one was don't 1265 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,680 talk to me like that. Yeah, that was really important 1266 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:29,560 to me. I was like, hey, look, no. 1267 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,080 The second thing was when I explained why and what had 1268 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,600 happened, there was no, there was no reason why I would 1269 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,960 separate these children without knowing certain things that the 1270 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,280 parent assumed I knew or something. 1271 00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:43,000 And I said, yeah, we do, you know, do what most parents do. 1272 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,800 They kind of have a quiet word of me and say, would it be 1273 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,880 possible if we just move this around? 1274 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,720 I go, yeah, of course we can, and that's the end of it. 1275 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,800 But you came in shouting at me and getting annoyed at me for 1276 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,000 something I didn't know about. And I'd, you know, I am not out 1277 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,040 to get you. I said. 1278 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,160 I said along those lines that I'm not out to get anyone. 1279 00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,280 I'm, I'm trying to do the best thing for the children as well. 1280 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,720 And it ended up with having a really nice conversation with 1281 00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:04,360 this parent by the end. And I just, I just think it, 1282 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,760 it's not easy to do that. I, I'm not saying it will always 1283 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,360 work, but for sure over my career, having seen stuff, you 1284 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,920 can have levels where you don't accept stuff like you can, you 1285 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,360 absolutely are allowed to not accept being shouted at by 1286 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,960 another adult in any walk of life, whether it's in your job, 1287 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,040 if it's an SLT member or a manager or a parent, whatever it 1288 00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:27,160 is, you can then stop and be like, OK, first thing, I've not 1289 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,120 actually done anything. So stop talking about that. 1290 00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:31,800 That's the first thing. Let's actually try and solve 1291 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,080 this, because we can solve this in a way where you don't 1292 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:34,680 disrespect. Me. 1293 00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:37,440 You're not shouting. So I think that that was from my 1294 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,920 point of view, I could see my development there. 1295 00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:43,760 But in general, I don't necessarily think that parent 1296 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,960 was hating on teachers. I think that parent just got 1297 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,200 really angry and didn't think about it. 1298 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,360 Yeah, they think that's happened sometimes. 1299 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,640 Yeah, and they probably probably just didn't. 1300 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,920 I don't know, maybe in their mind they didn't see you as in 1301 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,480 that first moment as someone they respect enough to not shout 1302 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:56,920 at. I don't know. 1303 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,160 I bet there's other people. In the world they. 1304 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,040 Want to shout? Maybe they shout anyone, maybe. 1305 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,760 Do you think just you saying all this, do you? 1306 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,280 Do you? Because I certainly haven't ever 1307 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,520 had any training on this. Have you ever had any training 1308 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,360 for a start? Do you think that there is 1309 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:08,360 something in that, do you reckon? 1310 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,040 Like new teachers should have a little bit of training on like 1311 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,760 how to just managing parents, like how to how to deal with 1312 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,160 just have a few situations like OK, parents really enraged 1313 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,400 physically, they look physically violent towards you. 1314 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:20,840 This is what you do. This person is being 1315 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,560 condescended is what you do. This person's shouting at you. 1316 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:23,240 This is what? You do, yeah. 1317 00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:25,760 Like we, I spoke earlier how it's kind of entrenched in us 1318 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,760 that we kind of stand near someone if they're talking to a 1319 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,120 parent. Yeah, that should probably be a 1320 00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:29,920 policy. Yeah. 1321 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,960 And, and, and again, if someone comes to you and says, can I 1322 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,800 have a quick chat? It should probably again be a 1323 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,200 policy of, but not right now. Let's plan a time because we can 1324 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,680 be in a room, we can be out of the situation that just 1325 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,000 happened. It could be monitored. 1326 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,120 Exactly. I think, I think there's 1327 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,360 something to be said there. But but in general, yeah, very 1328 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,000 quickly, I want to round this off because I want to talk about 1329 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,880 the other things. But the very, very last thing I 1330 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,400 want to say, and this is just from my experience, and this is 1331 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,680 basically just we don't need to have a conversation about this, 1332 00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,440 but more of a plea to our listeners because the vast 1333 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,560 majority of our listeners are female, because the vast 1334 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,280 majority of teachers are female as as men. 1335 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:10,760 And having worked with women, I see a lot more aggression and 1336 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:16,400 poor attitudes towards my female colleagues from parents then I 1337 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,360 get myself from parents. And I just wonder is, is that 1338 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,760 just luck based on the fact of the parents I've had? 1339 00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:25,800 I started to think it's not because I've. 1340 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,960 I've been working for 10 years now as a teacher. 1341 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,640 Is it more widespread? I feel like in general, people 1342 00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,880 are far less likely to come bolshy and shouty at me. 1343 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,360 And when they do, it's usually the dad. 1344 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,160 Yeah, because man, on my I. I feel it's so funny because I 1345 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,680 don't, yeah, I've got to be really careful because I don't 1346 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,640 want to make generalisations that we don't know, we don't 1347 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,000 know are true. But I know I agree from my, my 1348 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,840 personal experiences, I think there have been quite a few 1349 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,640 occasions where I've maybe done something in the exact same way 1350 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,200 that a female member of staff has done it and the female 1351 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,640 member of staff has then received complaint or an 1352 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,440 interaction with a parent in a different way. 1353 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,200 And it didn't happen to me. And I sort of thought guilty 1354 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:07,640 almost. I've been like, oh, crikey, I 1355 00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:08,400 did that same thing. And. 1356 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:09,480 We're both fine. No one did. 1357 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,880 No one said anything to me. But you interpreted that badly. 1358 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,360 Yeah, I've, I've, that's happened enough times where I've 1359 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,000 started to think like, it's interesting. 1360 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,520 Is it, do people treat me differently because I'm a man? 1361 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,320 Like, and realistically, probably like, yeah, like the 1362 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:22,800 world is quite complex, you know what I mean? 1363 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,800 Like gender is very complex. We will like to say, you know, 1364 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,920 we will fight for for equality, but we don't have perfect 1365 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,400 quality. I mean, that doesn't exist in 1366 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:30,520 this world at the moment. Yeah. 1367 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,000 So I do wonder sometimes, yeah. As men, do we get treated. 1368 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,120 And I think, I think we'd probably. 1369 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,040 Be interested to hear people's. Yeah, I'd love to hear what you 1370 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:37,520 think and. Experience, like not, not 1371 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,800 necessarily just what I don't want is someone use a 74609 1372 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,360 who's never worked in a school in their life telling me I'm 1373 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:43,760 wrong about something that I've experienced. 1374 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,400 Yeah, I don't want that. So don't worry, don't bother 1375 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,240 commenting if that's you. But if you've worked in a school 1376 00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:49,520 and you have experience with it, just just yeah, let us know, see 1377 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,120 what you think. Let's talk about the press. 1378 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,440 This is the other big thing. So I think this, we'll talk 1379 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,080 about this and then we'll just touch upon the other ones 1380 00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,280 because I think personally a lot of what we talk about, because 1381 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,800 we can probably cover family in this as well, to be honest, a 1382 00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,800 lot of what we talk about and this idea and attitude towards 1383 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,240 teachers is moulded by the press because that's where people get 1384 00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:12,040 their interactions from. They never worked in a school. 1385 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,000 Yeah, yeah. We had a little game earlier. 1386 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,000 We said, what media outlet do you think that we are focused in 1387 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,320 on to look at their headlines and their attitudes? 1388 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,120 Hayden, what do we go for? Yeah, you guessed it right, 1389 00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,280 because I know everyone got this right. 1390 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,720 The Daily Mail. Oh, right, the Daily Mail. 1391 00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:27,480 Looking at the Daily Mail. And it was actually quite 1392 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,600 depressing really to look for because we just used a simple 1393 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,120 Google search term to help us find all the articles they've 1394 00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:33,240 written that have the word teacher in it. 1395 00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:37,440 And like almost every single one was just horribly negative about 1396 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,760 teachers. But but what what I found really 1397 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,640 interesting and depressing, like you said, quite often it would 1398 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,840 be rooted in just a new story. But this is happening in schools 1399 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,200 and there would be a way where you could just say this is 1400 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,760 happening in school. For example, let me read to you 1401 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,280 the first first headline we came across. 1402 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,120 OK. And then Hayden can translate it 1403 00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,640 into what it what the actual news story is. 1404 00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:02,520 So we can see how there is such a spin and a bias and a teacher 1405 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,560 bashing, click bait raging thing going. 1406 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,080 On you gotta read it with a certain accent though, that 1407 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:08,480 feels appropriate. OK, right, OK. 1408 00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,120 Yeah. Now teachers get an extra day 1409 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,640 off every fortnight and say they couldn't now imagine life 1410 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,320 without it. That's perfect. 1411 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,240 Thank you. Do you want to translate that? 1412 00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:21,200 Yeah, what does it mean if you get an extra day off every? 1413 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,760 Because, by the way, the extra means they already get 13 weeks 1414 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:24,880 off again. Yeah, I'm getting. 1415 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,120 Extra, Yeah, extra day off. What it means is they're allowed 1416 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,520 to work from home for their PPA. One day a week they can work 1417 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,240 from home. Keyword work, work from home. 1418 00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:33,760 Day off, though, isn't it? Apparently for teachers though, 1419 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,440 when you work from home, it's not actually working. 1420 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:36,760 It's everyone else, obviously. Yeah. 1421 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,360 The the The Daily Mail editor was working at home editing this 1422 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,000 story. Working. 1423 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,200 Bloody hard doing that, no? Yeah, so absolutely, completely, 1424 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,240 completely misconstrued. It's PPA. 1425 00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,520 It's just PPA you. Get 10% PPA, which is time to by 1426 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,760 the way work OK, but teachers just get there Hayden you'd read 1427 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,920 that and you'd think but where are my kids going to go and this 1428 00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,360 one day every fortnight if the teachers are off swelling off 1429 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:01,960 No, the school the school opens all the. 1430 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,680 Time Nothing's actually changed for the kids 100. 1431 00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,640 Percent for the kids constantly the teachers don't choose when 1432 00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,360 their days off are. They just get their time to do 1433 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,280 their prep at home and if they want to go to the gym that 1434 00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,160 morning, it's OK because what that means is they're working in 1435 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,160 the evenings or at the weekend. A. 1436 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,800 Little bit of flexibility problem is, yeah, like you said, 1437 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,880 that's one of many. We'll read out a couple of 1438 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,400 headlines, but you read that as a just a general public, you 1439 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:23,840 know? Yeah. 1440 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:25,520 Why What? Honestly, why? 1441 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,200 Why wouldn't you read that if you have no idea? 1442 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,280 Yeah, right. Why wouldn't you probably would 1443 00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:31,760 start to have a bit of a negative like, well, that's a 1444 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,240 bit, that's a bit lazy, Yeah. Course you would. 1445 00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:35,520 Course you would because it's written by experts to do that. 1446 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,080 Yeah, yeah, that's their goal. So it works, you know, and. 1447 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:39,600 You've clicked reading it. They've got the ad revenue. 1448 00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,400 That's all they care about. There was a really interesting 1449 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:44,960 snippet from it as well. Because you read the article. 1450 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,720 Yeah. And usually, again, with most 1451 00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:49,360 good journalism, you'll have this is the thing that's 1452 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,440 happened. Here's the view of one set of 1453 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,080 people, here's the view of another set of people. 1454 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,680 And this is the argument and these are the facts. 1455 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,160 That's that's what good journalism normally is. 1456 00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,320 Here it was. It was just all kind of bias, 1457 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,800 bias, bias, bias. Now, like we spoke to the head 1458 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,200 of this education like firm who do advisory stuff for the 1459 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,240 government. And then you're like, OK, let's 1460 00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:08,440 see what they say. Let's get another opinion. 1461 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,440 It'll be interesting. You can get the opinion on how 1462 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,520 it's a good thing. Here's the here's the quote. 1463 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,280 It diminishes the status of teaching by telling prospective 1464 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,360 teachers that the good thing about this job is the fact you 1465 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,000 can get out one day, a fortnight. 1466 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,200 What? Mental. 1467 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,000 And his whole point was it's a bad thing because if every 1468 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,240 school did this, it wouldn't be a unique selling point anymore. 1469 00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:27,200 It would just be normal. Yeah. 1470 00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:28,520 What? What? 1471 00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,800 Planet is this person. On No, guys, we can't all have 1472 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,360 good things because everyone's got a good thing. 1473 00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,120 It's not a good thing anymore. What are you on about? 1474 00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,200 If we give teachers A5 grand pay rise in one school, then other 1475 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,080 teachers might want it and and then it wouldn't be good. 1476 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:42,760 If we all got a 5 grand pay rise wouldn't be good. 1477 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,160 That'd be awful. Wouldn't it takes away the 1478 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,080 unique selling position of that that particular school? 1479 00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,520 Stupid man. I just it just Anyway there's 1480 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,360 another one going to read it. Yeah, should have a headline. 1481 00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,840 Education Secretary backs letting teachers work from home 1482 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,480 as Labour looks to offer lions and shorter working weeks to 1483 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:03,080 make the job appealing to Gen Z. So many layers that isn't there. 1484 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,560 So let me translate that for you. 1485 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:10,120 Yeah, Education Secretary backs letting teachers work where they 1486 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:11,800 need to. That's more convenient for them. 1487 00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:13,840 Yeah, yeah. No, no, that means they're 1488 00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,600 offering lions. Lions offering lions are short 1489 00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,440 and shorter working weeks. This is the thing that really 1490 00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,200 winds me up about the whole working for home thing. 1491 00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,120 It's like, are they work less? No, they don't. 1492 00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,880 They travel less. They use your infrastructure 1493 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,280 that you as a billionaire have probably invested in and you've 1494 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,760 got interest in like, oh, oh, the owner of the Daily Mail. 1495 00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,880 I wonder how much office space they own and they've got to make 1496 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,720 sure are used. But the the whole the whole idea 1497 00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:41,040 of it being less work is just complete rubbish to make not 1498 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,440 less work. I just love the end. 1499 00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:43,680 The end. You made me laugh because it was 1500 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,280 like just just to top it off to make the job more appealing to 1501 00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,240 Gen Z. Just getting in that little dig. 1502 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,320 Because the Daily Mail hates young people. 1503 00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,560 If you didn't know that already, make it more appealing because 1504 00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,880 Gen Z is so lazy and they need their lions. 1505 00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,360 Unbelievable. But then they might want to go 1506 00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,240 be a teacher if they get one day at work, one day at the. 1507 00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,280 Week after I wiped, Yeah. Oh my God. 1508 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,280 Anyone going into teaching because they want the lions and 1509 00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,400 the nice? You've got some news for you, 1510 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:07,880 baby. That's not going. 1511 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,760 To be that. It's just, it's just full of 1512 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,280 click bait rage, isn't it? Yeah, last one, last one. 1513 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,280 Schools for this was really interesting to me. 1514 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,520 Schools forced to spend £1.2 billion plugging gaps in 1515 00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:23,120 staffing as almost 14,000 teachers teachers called in sick 1516 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:28,880 every day in the last year. Few things, number one, just the 1517 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,760 way that's worded just to whack out 1.2 billion everyone goes 1518 00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,760 big number no context of how much in general companies are 1519 00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,360 spending for sick. No, none of that. 1520 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,320 And 14,000 teachers call in sick every day. 1521 00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,160 I don't know about you, but just just reading that as a quick 1522 00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,120 headline, that sounds like 14,000 teachers aren't going in 1523 00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:48,320 every day. Every single day. 1524 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,960 But no, it's different teachers. It just means in any one day 1525 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,880 there's 14,000 staff off. Yeah, no context again, just 1526 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,000 these big numbers that sound if you just read it quickly. 1527 00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,200 Oh, that's big number bad. Big big number do bad thing for 1528 00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:01,880 brain. Loser teacher are too bad. 1529 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,640 We don't like big numbers. Click on Daily. 1530 00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:08,440 Mail now I hate teacher me me go to teach sleep, repeat podcast 1531 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,960 Instagram. You are stupid teacher who take 1532 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,560 lazy and lying and do all these days off because you can't do 1533 00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,120 your job. By the way, while you're here, 1534 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,400 can you tell me how to change my name from user 746021 and my 1535 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:23,720 display picture as a fry up? Why is it always people who have 1536 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,320 complete nonsense as they use the name and a picture of like 1537 00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,440 their dog it's. Because they know they're toxic. 1538 00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,200 They don't want to be I'd one. Person moaning right? 1539 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,440 I'd one person, this is a quick story because because we had a 1540 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,040 lot of interaction on our reels and stuff. 1541 00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,600 I had someone comment on a reel idea and they said something 1542 00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,920 like, well, you choose to be a teacher when I was saying 1543 00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,600 something's bad. We I'm not going to go into the 1544 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:44,960 debate about how that's just nonsense. 1545 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,480 Anyway, well you choose to be a teacher and their display 1546 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:52,080 picture was a tractor, right? So I so I replied going I have 1547 00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,600 interest. Do you back the farmer strikes 1548 00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,840 in London right now? Are you there with your tractor 1549 00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,400 with them because you choose to be a farmer? 1550 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,800 You know, you could just not be a farmer, couldn't you? 1551 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,760 Didn't reply. No, of course, of course not, 1552 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,320 because it's a rubbish, because. When, because when it because 1553 00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,000 when it's them who are doing the thing, it's fine. 1554 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,120 I agree back to this stat though, the whole 1.2 billion 1555 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,800 plugging gaps 14,000 staff off. It's exactly literally I made 1556 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,760 this point last week. Remember when I said when we're 1557 00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,160 doing that game about statistics, how sometimes that 1558 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,280 newspapers will use the percentage if it sounds good and 1559 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,560 if I'll, I'll use the real number because big number sounds 1560 00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,040 good. So we did the maths. 1561 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:27,360 There's about 500,000 teachers in in the country, which equates 1562 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:31,400 to 2.8. So 14% of five, 500,000 is 2.8%. 1563 00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,040 Then we looked up. 14% of 500. 1000 that 14 what did I say? 1564 00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,840 14,000 out. Of 500. 1565 00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,880 Out of 500,000 is about 2.8%. You did the maths. 1566 00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:41,240 Right, which is a lot lower, isn't it? 1567 00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,680 If you said or 2.8% of teachers are going off sick, it's like, 1568 00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,840 OK, well in a day, in a day it's not too bad, is it? 1569 00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,360 And one of the averages, the average in the for all jobs is 1570 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,160 about 2.2%, Yeah. So it's more, it is a bit 1571 00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:54,120 higher, yeah. But. 1572 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,240 It's there's no way to get as many rage clicks and frothing 1573 00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,520 mouth boomers. From if you said not .8% more 1574 01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,360 for teachers than others, it's like that's not really and also. 1575 01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,120 Right when you see that gap, even if you saw that gap and you 1576 01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,640 still got annoyed because there might be someone who's saying, 1577 01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,280 well that's more yeah, that's bad, isn't it? 1578 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,640 Bloody lazy teachers. That's, you know, going from 2.2 1579 01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,080 to 2.8. That's a big jump. 1580 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,280 Well, OK, maybe the the thing you should do at that point is 1581 01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:19,760 ask why I. Wonder why? 1582 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,080 Yeah, why? I can make you some good 1583 01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:22,520 reasons. I can make you a really good 1584 01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:22,960 reason. Yeah. 1585 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,240 Do you know Teachers work in schools where loads of kids are 1586 01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:26,480 sick all the time. Did you know that? 1587 01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,960 Did you know that you're actually exposed to so much more 1588 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,680 sickness than basically any other job other than? 1589 01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,960 Working in NHS and stuff. Could it be that teachers are 1590 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,640 actually just getting more sick? Yep, rather than just wanting a 1591 01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,080 day off. Yes, I can tell you from first 1592 01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,520 hand experience of constantly having a cold for the last 10 1593 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,000 years, Yes. But I work at an office and I 1594 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,600 get a cold sometimes. I know, I know, I know. 1595 01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,280 I'm not saying that you don't get ill if you're somewhere 1596 01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:48,280 else. Can you listen to what we're 1597 01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:49,320 saying? I have. 1598 01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,400 Children who are. Snotting on themselves, asking 1599 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,960 me to do up their shoelaces and then snotting in my face every 1600 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,320 day. And I know for a fact I see for 1601 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,880 everyone teacher who's called in off sick, I see nine teachers 1602 01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:02,360 who should call in sick who don't exactly all of the time. 1603 01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,360 It's just nonsense. So way more illness to more 1604 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,320 illness. Also, school policy, the school 1605 01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:07,920 policies are often quite harsh on sickness. 1606 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:09,840 Like if you're I'll, it's like don't come into school because 1607 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,080 you're going to spread it because like we just said, this 1608 01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,440 illness spreads way more in schools than it does in in 1609 01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,720 regular places. So the policy is sometimes a bit 1610 01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,680 more harsh of like, OK, you're a bit sick, you probably could 1611 01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,640 come in and. 48 hours off but. No, you're not allowed to come 1612 01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:21,960 in because that's our policy. Yeah, so there you go. 1613 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:22,960 That's going to bump up the stats. 1614 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,440 And there's no flexibility, there's no ability, everything. 1615 01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:26,640 There's no flexibility in the job. 1616 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,160 How many people do you reckon maybe feel a bit under the 1617 01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:30,800 weather and they think I've got a bit of holiday to take? 1618 01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,160 I'll take a week off, I'll fully recover, I'll rest, I'll relax. 1619 01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,800 But we can't do that if we're ill in the middle of term time. 1620 01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,640 We've just, we've just got to take that sit cover. 1621 01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,040 I'm not saying people waste their holiday and getting sick, 1622 01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,680 but I'm just saying there's no flexibility. 1623 01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,120 There's the option. And do you know what? 1624 01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:45,200 Do you know what sometimes happens? 1625 01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,840 Just the last thing here, it's just the fact that the job is 1626 01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,960 unbearable, but it's just, but you work yourself into the 1627 01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,440 ground in term time. I don't know many teachers who 1628 01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,840 get to the end of time who aren't feeling absolutely done 1629 01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,280 in and most of them get to half term. 1630 01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,600 Some of them might not, but there was one last point with 1631 01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,680 the Daily Mail I wanted to make. And it's just how they are just 1632 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,240 absolute hypocrites. Just the biggest hypocrites 1633 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:07,840 you've ever seen because all they care about is clicks. 1634 01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,160 We found in the midst of all this, where we're looking for 1635 01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,320 all these, we found one article. Do you want to read the 1636 01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:14,560 headline? Here, Yeah, go on then, it says 1637 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:16,120 you. You wouldn't believe this from 1638 01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:20,200 the same newspaper. Poorly paid British teachers are 1639 01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,680 quitting their jobs in droves to double their money, live the 1640 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,960 high life abroad and get their children taught in private 1641 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:27,040 schools. That's how that last bit. 1642 01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,520 Obviously just just try and make some opinions. 1643 01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:31,400 Yeah. Because they are, they're, 1644 01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:32,640 they're, they're they're it's not us. 1645 01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,320 Yeah, we're not, it's not us. Oh, teachers. 1646 01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,680 Yeah. So built into that, that again. 1647 01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,320 OK, what does that say? OK, it says that we, we don't 1648 01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,680 pay our teachers correctly based on the rest of the world. 1649 01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,520 There are other parts in the world where it's much better to 1650 01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:45,960 be a teacher. There are other parts in the 1651 01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,240 world where it's better to be a child in the education system. 1652 01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,680 You're accepting all this by running this article and having 1653 01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:55,280 this headline whilst whilst battering us every day, every 1654 01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,600 single day. And when all you care about is 1655 01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,280 click bait and just painting this picture because then you 1656 01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,800 get your ad revenue and you don't actually care about 1657 01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,680 getting to the issues and solving things and actually 1658 01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,880 trying to help or understanding that we are a profession on the 1659 01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,920 real job. All you're doing is bringing 1660 01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,400 this culture of teacher bashing that we see in family. 1661 01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,200 We, we said we're going to talk about family in general public. 1662 01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:15,960 Let's just whack them in now. Let's just finish off with them 1663 01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,480 because they're the same. Because you know what media is 1664 01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,040 the overall thing. That's what it is. 1665 01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:20,920 It's what is affecting, you know, most of the stuff. 1666 01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:22,800 Yeah, because you're. Uncle took on. 1667 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,040 Yeah. So you know what, just go back 1668 01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,640 to the question again just to re re, you know, route ourselves. 1669 01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,440 Yeah. Why do people hate teachers? 1670 01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,160 Yeah, because the Daily Mail post that article every single 1671 01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,640 day like that constantly, and people are consuming it 1672 01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,480 constantly and then they're telling their mates constantly 1673 01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,400 and it's affecting the culture on the playground constantly. 1674 01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,600 And then parents are getting away with being horrible to you 1675 01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,840 because schools are too afraid of saying anything constantly. 1676 01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:43,000 Yeah, right. Yeah. 1677 01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:44,920 And on top of that, you've got your family taking the MIT 1678 01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,600 because they think your job's rubbish, your job's easy, 1679 01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:47,040 really. We. 1680 01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,440 Just want to be, it's really clear because, well, I honestly, 1681 01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,800 my family, genuinely never. They're so respectful and 1682 01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:52,960 lovely. This is almost a joke point. 1683 01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:54,760 Yeah, but no. But it's true because you see 1684 01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,280 people saying I went for Christmas dinner. 1685 01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,120 We've had people message us and be like, yeah, how do I just, I 1686 01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,160 tell my family member that I'm not lying to their face. 1687 01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:05,200 You know, that that niece you've had who's 25 and you've loved 1688 01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,080 and doted on them your whole life and they become a teacher. 1689 01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:11,040 And they say to you, Oh my gosh, it's so hard, such hard work 1690 01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,920 being a teacher. How can you wire someone's brain 1691 01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,560 as their Uncle Rob who's just like, I can't believe that 1692 01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,440 though, because I've read the Daily Mail every day for 15 1693 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,120 years and it's like they're bloody lazy. 1694 01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,080 So I think you're lying to me now. 1695 01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,640 Classic niece, being lazy like you were when you were five. 1696 01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,440 Don't remember when you were five and lazy. 1697 01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,160 You're still like that. Haven't changed of, you know. 1698 01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,240 It's just like as a family member where is just like the 1699 01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,720 benefit of the doubt to be like, you know, OK, I've not ever 1700 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,600 experienced this. You have. 1701 01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,840 I've read the Daily Mail. I've listened to you, my lovely 1702 01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:41,000 niece. So I've trusted and I've loved 1703 01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,520 for 25 years. Daily Mail's right. 1704 01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:45,480 Daily Mail's right. You're a bloody lazy. 1705 01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,040 Yeah, I'm telling I've got I'm going up. 1706 01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:48,960 I'm leaving this Christmas dinner to go and do my planning. 1707 01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:51,680 Oh, well, that's because you're a bad teacher. 1708 01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,440 You need to be more efficient. These idiots who don't like 1709 01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,320 teachers, they change their opinion based on what point they 1710 01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,240 want to make. So I've heard that I've seen the 1711 01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,760 same person genuinely in the comments this week. 1712 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,160 I've seen the same person say I outright don't believe these 1713 01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:08,640 facts and I think teachers work 40 hours a week maximum and I I 1714 01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,200 just don't believe them. I don't believe that facts. 1715 01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:11,560 They're just they, they barely work. 1716 01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,680 They work 40 hours a week in turn trying to get all those 1717 01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:15,240 holidays. I don't believe them. 1718 01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,160 Later on in the same thread when someone's replied and said I'm a 1719 01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,680 teacher and I literally do this. Here's how my hours breakdown I 1720 01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,280 do. I do 40 hours a week literally 1721 01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,280 just in the classroom and I've got to prep everything else blah 1722 01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:26,960 blah blah blah. I do another 20 and then their 1723 01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:28,920 reply is well then you're, you're just inefficient aren't 1724 01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:29,600 you? You're just an idiot. 1725 01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,120 You need to get a better job. It's your own fault you're not 1726 01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:32,240 efficient enough to get your job done. 1727 01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:34,360 So in the same breath this person believes that. 1728 01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,560 They just don't believe it. So both teachers is the teacher 1729 01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,640 paradox of the boom. Idiot teachers are both lazy 1730 01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:42,800 people who do 40 hours a week and get all that time off, but 1731 01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,720 also silly idiots who can't be efficient with their time and 1732 01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,840 work way more than they should. Which one is it, mate? 1733 01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:49,320 Yeah. Which one is it that we're 1734 01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,320 doing? It's all amalgamated in Get 1735 01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:52,880 Another Job then. I don't know. 1736 01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,040 I've done this. I'm not going to do it again 1737 01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,680 because I do it so, so often. But no, I'm good at, I'm doing 1738 01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,960 it again. I'm good at this job like it's a 1739 01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:01,800 skill. I invested tonnes of time and 1740 01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:03,840 money into this job, just like a lot of people do. 1741 01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,280 So just getting another job is not actually a very viable 1742 01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,320 option. And we do need teachers. 1743 01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,520 We do need them. So if we all took that advice, 1744 01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:12,680 there'll be no teachers. I hate it. 1745 01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,240 So the last thing in general public is, I suppose that that 1746 01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:16,520 whole thing came from social media. 1747 01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,760 That's where we see most of it. And we've been doing a lot of 1748 01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,680 reels lately where I I've honestly done reels when they're 1749 01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,000 not even clips from the podcast. I've just filmed the reel from 1750 01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:25,320 the ground up. I've got some data. 1751 01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,480 Yeah, I've got some evidence, and I'm just making a point. 1752 01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,760 And I've been really clear multiple times to say I'm not 1753 01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,040 talking about anyone else. All I'm saying in this reel that 1754 01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,480 I'm thinking of is teachers do work extremely hard. 1755 01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,120 It's not as simple as we just get the holidays off. 1756 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,280 If you average out our hours, we work more than the average 1757 01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,120 worker. Yeah, not more than everyone. 1758 01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:42,640 That's how averages. Work, and that's not an opinion. 1759 01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,120 That's just a fact, just a simple fact. 1760 01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,400 And there's so many people commenting blah, blah, blah, 1761 01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:52,560 blah and making a point. Something I didn't say, just 1762 01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,640 didn't say that in the video. So I don't know what you're 1763 01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,280 commenting because I literally didn't say that. 1764 01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:58,160 So what about me? I workloads? 1765 01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,120 Do you remember the bit in the video where I said, I know, and 1766 01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:01,520 I'm just saying that teachers work hard? 1767 01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,160 Yeah. And my favourite part of that 1768 01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:05,760 was you. You're on your personal, you're 1769 01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,640 in the personal ground. Someone got me saying we'll just 1770 01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,280 quit. Then you just replied. 1771 01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,520 There's me replying to people trying to do some really like 1772 01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,280 nuanced arguments and stuff being replied. 1773 01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:18,600 Brain rot advice. Yeah, honestly, do you know what 1774 01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:20,320 I actually tried? I even messaged you after saying 1775 01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,600 I need to stop. I deleted Instagram for for ages 1776 01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,320 for a few months because I just can't stomach it. 1777 01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,400 I went on for two seconds and looked at a real you made first 1778 01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,000 first comment was the get another job, then just quit. 1779 01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:32,840 Yeah, brain rot advice close my phone. 1780 01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,000 I was like I don't care. This is this is I'm being I'm 1781 01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,240 being rude and horrible. I don't care and I need to stop. 1782 01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:38,360 So I've I've actually since then. 1783 01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:39,920 But it's that, it's that pedestal that you're talking 1784 01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,040 about where if someone's rude and horrible and just idiotic. 1785 01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:42,880 Yeah, you want to be. Rude back. 1786 01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:44,440 You want to be read back, but you're like, well, I can't 1787 01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,000 because I'm a teacher. It's like, well, do you know 1788 01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:46,960 what? Sometimes Do you know what? 1789 01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,480 Sometimes honestly, people just need to hear that they're wrong. 1790 01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,440 Yeah. And then sometimes I'm wrong. 1791 01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,480 And again, I remember that I'm on my high horse. 1792 01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,040 I'm always right. There's probably, there's 1793 01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:56,840 certain parts of that video maybe where I interpreted that. 1794 01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,840 I don't think I did, but maybe there's a point where someone's 1795 01:07:58,840 --> 01:07:59,920 like, well, what have you thought about this? 1796 01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:01,920 And if someone made that point, yeah, you'd be. 1797 01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:03,560 Respectful, yeah, but oh, that's interesting. 1798 01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:05,120 But but someone's saying, oh, I don't believe it. 1799 01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,920 Yeah. So on the macro level, I suppose 1800 01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,160 what we're going to summarise here is why does, why do so many 1801 01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,480 people hate teachers? It is because of the 1802 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,080 representation. And I think, I think most people 1803 01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,319 who are close to teachers, who are see teachers work. 1804 01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,680 Most people are very respectful. My mates are amazing that we 1805 01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:23,720 always joke, but they they, they really understand it. 1806 01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,880 My family are amazing, my colleagues, obviously most 1807 01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,120 parents are amazed. Most interactions I have are 1808 01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:30,880 amazing. It's just such a shame that the 1809 01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:32,800 loudest people are usually the most ignorant. 1810 01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:33,880 And, and it's written by the Daily Mail. 1811 01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:35,760 There's one final point because I don't want to miss it because 1812 01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:37,520 I feel that people be like, you didn't think about this one. 1813 01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,279 It's a big one about the, you know, because everything's so 1814 01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:41,640 far has kind of been about how media changes things, right? 1815 01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,080 But there's also personal experiences. 1816 01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,960 People went to school. Almost everybody went to school 1817 01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:48,439 as a kid. And teaching has changed. 1818 01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:52,319 School has changed a lot since the average adult was actually a 1819 01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:55,439 child in school. And I think our own experiences 1820 01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,560 shape how we view teachers. And it is different. 1821 01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:59,520 You know, if you think about if you ask your grandparents or 1822 01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,680 your parents or whatever about what it was like being at 1823 01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,720 school, they will they will always jump straight there. 1824 01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,880 We're so quick to tell you about how they got that board brother 1825 01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,279 thrown at them, how the teachers would just cane them or to just 1826 01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:10,960 shout at them if you didn't do as you're told you it was just 1827 01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,560 discipline, discipline, discipline, right? 1828 01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:14,800 And a lot of people had a negative experience because of 1829 01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,720 that. And then they grow up and then 1830 01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,520 they become parents and they just kind of expect that to 1831 01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,560 still be the case. So when it comes to interacting 1832 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,560 with their child's teacher, us who who I'd say are probably 1833 01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,640 very different to what it was back then on Gen in general, I'm 1834 01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:28,840 sure there are some. Well, I'm not throwing board. 1835 01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,120 Around yeah, exactly you know only at you. 1836 01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:35,640 I think that massively impacts people's opinions of of 1837 01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:36,920 teachers. Well, that I think sometimes is 1838 01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:40,120 why parents can be so quick to get Aggie at you because they're 1839 01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:41,960 because they're they're thinking, God, my teachers were 1840 01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:43,880 horrible to me. They were horrible to me. 1841 01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:46,920 And I'm just going to assume that you're equally as horrible 1842 01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:48,240 to my and. That's probably reasonable to 1843 01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:49,880 think if you haven't had any. Experience, yeah, I get it. 1844 01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:53,600 So I can understand that. Another perspective base of why 1845 01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,600 people might not like teachers, it's because root in their own 1846 01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,280 experiences. So on top of that, we've got 1847 01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,280 culture from media, big media, just absolutely driving these 1848 01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,360 stories into the heads of teachers, being lazy, entitled 1849 01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,440 people. It doesn't help, does it? 1850 01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:07,040 No, it doesn't help. So you can understand why people 1851 01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,160 don't like teachers, but majority of people are actually 1852 01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:12,760 very nice and hopefully we can help to improve that culture. 1853 01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,200 Absolutely. And and last thing again, just 1854 01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:17,000 for the balance because we spoke about an hour, so I'm going to 1855 01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:18,840 speak about this for 10 seconds. So that's a good balance there. 1856 01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:26,080 Some some teachers. Some teachers do moan and do 1857 01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:27,440 things wrong. Yeah, of course they do. 1858 01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:30,360 And when parents call it out, that's important. 1859 01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:32,960 It is it there is there is a role for a parent to be 1860 01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,520 defensive of their child and there are situations where that 1861 01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,320 needs to happen. And I don't want anyone to think 1862 01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:38,960 that we're coming out here saying teachers are always 1863 01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:42,000 correct in everything. No, no, no, let's be honest, 1864 01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,760 let's be balanced. But we're talking about 1865 01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,560 specifically just those people who have those preconceptions 1866 01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,280 before anything's happened. They're already in the comment 1867 01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,400 section writing out how teachers are lazy before they've done 1868 01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,560 anything. And that does stem from a 1869 01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:59,200 systematic kind of approach that's fuelled by the media that 1870 01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,200 I think is backed up by them tapping into your experiences in 1871 01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,440 school, like you said, well, behaviour was much easier 1872 01:11:04,440 --> 01:11:07,680 control back then, yeah, because you would get caned by the head 1873 01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:12,080 teacher if you misbehaved. So managing behaviour now is 10 1874 01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,440 times harder. It's so hard and and so much 1875 01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:16,680 more nuanced, so much more complex. 1876 01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:17,600 Yeah. Yeah, Exactly. 1877 01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:18,880 Exactly. Yeah, yeah. 1878 01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,800 Interesting discussion. I enjoyed that a lot, yeah. 1879 01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:23,640 Well done. Do you hate teachers still now? 1880 01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:25,200 I hate you. Yeah. 1881 01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,080 And you're a teacher, so I guess. 1882 01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,320 Oh, use my Daily Mail conference here. 1883 01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,000 Yeah, I hate all teachers. OK. 1884 01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:32,240 So good. We've got to end this one. 1885 01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,280 Make sure you hate all teachers and follow us and hate on us as 1886 01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:35,560 well. Don't hate us, you can. 1887 01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:36,840 Whoa, no. Yeah, because the teachers. 1888 01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:38,000 No, You've got hate on us as well. 1889 01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,400 Where can I? Just quick review, follow us on 1890 01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,560 Instagram at Teach TV podcast. Give us a five star review 1891 01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:46,200 wherever you listen because we are on our way to more reviews 1892 01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,160 than we use. Million reviews always on our 1893 01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,360 way to it, so it works. Thanks guys. 1894 01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:51,080 See you next time. See you.