Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Teach the
Repeat. My name is Dylan.
And my name's Hayden. Episode 1, O1.
We've done 100. Yeah.
Celebration's over. Yeah, Bit of an anticlimax in
the end. Yeah, we just did a normal
episode. Yeah, we're just doing 3 digits
now, and it's the next one. Like we said, powers of 10.
That's what we celebrate. Yeah, yeah.
Not celebrate 200. No, yeah, there's no point, is
there? 1000 we'll get to like 809
hundred and still be like rubbish.
What's 1000 like? There's fifty weeks of the year,
so 1000 will take us about 20 years do.
You reckon anyone's got to 1000? Yeah, yeah, they have just.
From sharing it like one a day. Yeah, but they probably do a
podcast every day. Yeah, like I said, like a radio
show. Anyway, it's been half term, so
we're back now. If you're in Wales, I think
you're half term's now, so well done.
You managed to get an extra week in.
We're back at work, but we just had half term.
How was it? Was it good?
Yeah, it was good. Try to summarise it.
Yeah, Don't waffle on, do we? No, when I'm don't know.
Waffle on do we 100 episodes in. Don't waffle on I.
Was about to say we went up north.
That's what you did. Spoiler alert.
Well, to be fair, anywhere we did is probably north.
I did go in the north direction. I went to Cambridge for a few
days. That was quite nice.
Yep, central Cambridge. Lovely, beautiful architecture.
You know you're old when you really, really start to
appreciate the building. Buildings.
Nice. I was standing there and awe.
Check out that arch. Yeah, it's like.
Look and I always go. They must must be so boring
being with me always. Like can you just imagine being
there when they built this? I always, I feel like I always
say that because I'm always so awe, like in awe from that
you've been able to looking at the way they.
I can't believe they built that without the technology we have
these. Names.
You have really low expectations of anyone born more than 100
years ago. How did they get their head
around how bricks can go on top? Of each other.
Meanwhile, I can't screw a blind into a lentil without losing my
mind. Well, I don't even know what a
lentil. Is there we go, There we are.
And there's me thinking, Oh, yeah, 100 years ago, how can
they build that? Years ago?
You know, I can't even do the basics.
But yeah, I did that. I had a nice time.
Cambridge drove into a pole, completely wrecked my car.
Sorry, I'm doing school work. I went to Cambridge, went to
Cambridge. Sorry, Mr You OK?
Sorry. Anyone, any listeners got this
fight? I don't know if you've got this
impression remaining yet. Very much likes his cars.
Very much likes to think he's a bit of a a guru on the road.
You drove into a pulp Pulse famously don't move.
So I'm wondering how you managed to do that?
Well, this one did. It's, well, it depends.
It's relativity, isn't it? Or you could say it moves.
Or you could say I moved into it.
From your perspective in the car?
Einstein might argue you differently about how I crashed
my car into a pole that wasn't moving, actually.
Do you reckon that's what Einstein was doing?
He did, all his work was simply just to quite try and justify
the fact it wasn't his fault that he backed into someone and
it's what he got. I think so, because that's what
I did, relative. He's hurt my pride enough that I
would do that as well. Yeah, I don't know.
I honestly. I know how I know how you're
reversed and you didn't stop. Reversed out of space and I
thought there's nothing behind me and ignore the beepers on the
car as you do because that's what you know, that's what
they're there for. They're there for you to ignore
it and be like, oh, it's just. You're a classic dad.
Just drove straight into where are you going, Dad?
Don't know. Do you wanna look at the map?
No, no, look at map. Yep, north now.
So you don't. Do you want?
To use it got you got sensors on the car, Dad, do you want to use
them? No, it's the.
Sun like that as well. That's my daughter, actually,
that's River. She speaks like that.
That's your 14 month old dad. Dad, can you hear those beepers
when something bad You've got enough So I've I've turned into
northern man down mine. Oh anyway, I'm so sorry anyone
who listens. I moved an insulting accent, but
yeah, drove into a thing, wrecked the back bumper, so that
was pretty annoying. The trip became a lot more
expensive when I realised I got to replace that.
Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep. Other than that not really done
any work for school which is a bit annoying because I've now.
Just got a way to do for school. It's a classic.
Don't do any work over your half term.
OK, what will I teach? Yeah.
Should I do it when I'm at work? No, you silly man.
You got to have that ready. You got to do the work before
you can work. Oh.
Gosh, don't. Don't listen to that.
Anyway, But yeah, So what about you?
Did you crash anything? No, but I've I just, I was
thinking about having my week, but I've had a bit of a
traumatic experience in the last 20 minutes that's made me,
that's made me forget everything that was I was going to say.
So let's, let's preferences. Are you at my house?
You said, oh, I need to blow my nose.
Yeah, before we started recording.
He said, oh, I haven't got any tissues in here.
You've used them all from when you blow your nose and the other
ones you're constantly snotty. Apparently I'm all right now.
That's. Good, I can tell from my voice.
Let's. Go ahead and edit this podcast
52 times. Just head out.
You're snotting the last ones anyway, so I've got a tissue.
You have to go to the toilet. Yeah.
What happened? Deal.
Funny enough, I went to the toilet.
So you've recently had your toilet done?
Yeah, it's actually really nice. I've got to say.
It's done to a really nice standard.
Spent a lot of money on that. And, you know, you saved your
money. Couldn't be bothered to get a
lock for it, but it looks great. It looks fantastic.
No lock, though, on the toilet. So I go down, you open the door,
the door opens. Yeah.
When a toilet door opens without any kind of, you know, pushback,
you think, well, it's free, isn't it?
No. Your girlfriend's having the
toilet. Yeah, on the toilet.
Having a. Into a job I heard from here was
her going oh hello. I can imagine how embarrassed
she was. Obviously I've got my heart
dropped and I haven't moved quickly enough down the stairs,
yeah. Yeah.
So after all that. Yeah, the last week, both, both
horribly embarrassed. Yeah.
The rest of the week, we're both embarrassed.
All I can hear is you cackling. And here it's fun running around
trying to find out what happened like a little Pixie.
What happened? Yeah, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Other than that though, did you
actually enjoy your time up north because you've been gone a
week? Went up north.
That's why I can do the northern accent.
But you can't. Yeah, Because you've been up
north. No, I'm a northerner because
you're from the north. I'm from the north.
So as anyone knows who's been listening for a while, I moved
down South when I was about 7:00 or 8:00 where down South.
So I can do both. That's how we're speaking to get
away. But yeah, yeah.
Well, you, you're right, you little cockney bugger.
That's that's what my uncles say.
So when? I come up there.
Is that what they take? Them they think my voice is
cocktail. I'm like, no, it's not.
I'm just I just sound posh. So when I go up there, I can say
things like bath, yeah, go put kid in bath and that's fit in
perfect. Do you feel at home?
Like do the do you feel like that's your natural state?
Oh. My God, I'm, If you've asked me
this, because I've said this before, because I've spent the
whole week thinking honestly, yeah, whenever I go up north,
I'm like, this is my default, right?
I do I, I and I've never really felt that.
Even though you've been here, it's.
Mental, It's mental. And I feel like with my family
up north, I feel, and this might be wrong because people can tell
me how they're with their families.
I feel like I'm closer with my family up north than a regular
family are who are just around each other all the time.
But yeah, I go up there honestly, and it's just like,
I've been there all year. Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah. So it's really, really nice.
And what was what was genuinely really nice was taking Rory.
So Rory is 16 months now. So obviously he's walking
around, he's talking a lot more, he's chatty, but he's really
inquisitive and he takes stuff in more quickly and he can
identify people now and stuff like that.
So him meeting all of our family, that was really nice.
And him being in places up in him, like we were staying at my
granddad's, that's the same house when I was his age that
I've got pictures of me. Walking around, Did you recreate
any pictures? Yeah, a couple of pictures that
are the same and stuff, but so that that was like, I don't
really get that where we're not up north that often.
So that was that was really nice and we had like 5 days up there
and it went really quickly. So I actually really enjoyed it.
I think sometimes people go and see family, they don't it's like
a chore. Yeah, I'm like, God, I want to
go. We're probably going to go up,
get an Easter. Yeah, I worried you're just
going to get bored, because it's not.
It's something about not being in your own home, isn't there?
That can just sometimes be a little bit.
Like what for the kids or for the for?
You like I just thought you'd get bored after a couple of like
a day or two. I.
Love being in my own home, but equally at the minute, like, you
know, our homes get a lot of building work so we don't have
to be in this room much longer. Honestly, you've been watching
it. It's just like, oh, you're in
the office, are you? Yeah.
It's just a little fad box room. Hayden's trying his hardest for
it to look nice and be be pretty nice space to me.
You tried pretty hard. But we're gonna actually get
like a nice space in my house. I think eventually somewhere
where we actually want to be, somewhere we enjoy being.
Sorry, Can. We somewhere we're comfortable.
Can you get out? No, no, because I don't want to.
This is Joe. I will get out when that rooms.
Done. When that rooms done.
Trying to play a character there.
Dylan, you made me laugh. So hopefully I'm looking forward
to it. Yeah, I'm really looking
forward. To it be new space for us to
work and we will hopefully step up the podcast, you know, Yeah.
I'm excited. I like the idea that we pick
this all up and then we have no idea how to design something
nice. Looks absolutely terrible, even
worse than my my grey wall in the background that we normally.
See the classic 3 pillars of podcasting Yeah, in that way
they. Are they represent?
What do they represent? I don't know they would just
listen to this podcast. They represent.
They represent burnout, moaning and silica.
Gel this one. I hope you guys enjoyed the
story from last last episode. We haven't checked that episode
100. Go back and check it out because
we reflected on some of our favourite podcast moments.
I've had messages from people about that silica gel story.
I'd I'd honestly go and listen to it.
Yes. So unhinged.
I wish we could be like that on like on demand.
Do you know what I mean? Like I look back, I, I look back
at that episode. Funny and interesting.
We're completely unhinged and also therefore funny because I
look at that. I'm like, how could you recreate
that? I wish we could do that every
single episode. Yeah, we need to probably be
like slightly drunk because at that point we weren't
necessarily drunk, but we, I was just done in on that.
Maybe we don't sleep for three days.
And then just get recorded. Let's try that.
It'll be the most incredibly strange thing.
I want to talk about one thing because I think a lot of people,
when we obviously started this podcast, we talked about how our
girlfriends fell pregnant quite quickly.
Yeah. And then we had quite a few
months where we didn't mention it on the podcast.
We just didn't want it to be a thing.
I think we almost waited until it was about to.
Yeah, we waited quite, quite far.
And then a few people are like, oh, this'll be cool.
We'll hear more parenting stories.
That'll be fun. And we did it for a bit and we
kind of took a foot off the pedal, didn't we?
I just wanted to have a catch up about the babies.
So yeah, yeah. You know, we work as teachers in
school. And we also have my my son is,
let me get this right, 16 months old.
And we're six weeks behind you. Yeah, six weeks behind.
So it's been quite a journey. And I think for me it was the
the travel. So we travelled up north, that's
a 5 hour journey of driving, but it took us like 7 or 8 hours
because we stopped off, we let him get out of the car.
We didn't want to be in the car for too long.
But just like travelling in general, it seems to have like
shifted loads as a parent because it was, it was a
nightmare when they were younger obviously.
And now I feel like they're more able to part with it and I feel
like I'm over it a bit. But I just was thinking back to
when like, I remember your stories about River.
Oh my God. And you'd get her in the car to
go. She just, she would just, she
had a weird habit where being in a car seat was like, oh, it's
poo time. So like you potty trained?
No, no, Yeah, the potty was your car.
Like the first few months of my life, she's like, oh, I don't
need a poo, don't need a poo. She'd say that smells because
she could talk. Don't need a poo data father.
Don't need a poo father. And and then as soon as you put
her in the car seat, be like you, you need a poo.
No, You sure? No.
OK, I'm going to start driving the car immediately every single
time. One time she literally had a poo
like 5 minutes before we left. Put her in the car seat.
Had another one, had another one.
Just conjured it out of nowhere. Yeah, this is insane.
You're like, right. I'm safe.
Yes. She's done her poo now.
Doesn't matter. Yeah, This poo machine Poo's on
demand, baby. Yeah.
You know, if I hear the engine
rib, my bowels are going. I.
Don't know what it is, Maybe it's that.
Do you remember when we left Centre Parks?
We went to Centre Parks last year and, and I literally said I
felt quite, quite proud of myself and knowing the habits
here. I said right, we're about to
leave Centre Parks. I said there's no point leaving
too quickly because before we get to the end of the car park,
River will have pooed again. Oh yeah, classic.
She does it all the time. No, she will and she did.
She literally did. We parked up in another space
before we even got out of the car park to change her bum
because she pooped immediately. So fine, it's the one benefit of
the massive centre parks car park.
You caught the poo. You literally.
Yeah, had enough time to get it for on the motorway, honestly,
but but pleased to say that that doesn't seem to happen anymore.
And actually also the screaming, yeah, that that was a nightmare.
So Riverhead colic, if anyone not in the parenting world
doesn't know what colic might is, no one knows what colic is.
It's just a word we used to say when babies we scream all the
time for no reason, constantly. So she had that for like 3
months at the start of her life, horrendous, horrendously
stressful. So anyway, so car journeys were
just a nightmare because we'd just be thinking she's just
going to scream the whole time and we can't really do anything
because she's in a car. But that doesn't happen anymore.
So we went, obviously in this trip to Cambridge, she just kind
of like slept half the way and then was just awake and just sat
there just, you know, thinking about the world.
Well, it's the thing I, I think I worry and a lot of parents
worry about kids being bored. And I don't know if it's
something to do with teaching because like again, when we were
trained to be teachers, all of us are teachers by the way, our
partners and ourselves. The, the training was very much
in the school environment we were in, rightly or wrongly.
And, and do you know, probably this is the right attitude to
have is, you know, every minute matters kind of thing.
Yeah, no dead time. You're, you're, you're drilled
in to be like, well, if you've got 5 minutes into a lesson, you
can do something else. Do you know, I mean you, there's
no dead time. You don't waste the single
second. And that paired with like, oh, I
don't want to, I need to entertain my child at all times.
You become scared of boredom. And, and I think one thing I've
learned through other people talking about it and just my own
experience is kids need to be bored sometimes.
It's like, it's the, it's the base level.
It's, it's where they should be coming from constantly.
You don't need flashing lights constantly stimulating you on a
tablet and stuff like that. You know, and being bored can be
annoying as a parent because sometimes the children moan.
Yeah, because they're fast. They're fast.
And it's, it's, you can get rid of that by giving them something
to placate them. But it it is just true that it
kids benefit from being bored. Yeah, we are very overstimulated
as a people, aren't we now? Like I'm certainly completely
indoctrinated into, I don't want to be bored for more than 10
seconds. I'm bored for more than 10
seconds. My phone's out, I'm scrolling.
You're scrolling. I'm doing something because I
have to actually do something all the time.
But there is, think about your own childhood, right?
And basically, honestly, probably every generation,
including us, and before there's a very new thing, you're bored
all the time. There were so many times as a
kid where I would literally, as a classic example, be throwing a
ball up against the ceiling and seeing if I can lay down and
throw it directly. Up.
I still do it now because it's fun.
I lay down the block. Yeah.
How good can you get at throwing of laying on your back, throwing
something up, seeing if you can make it nearly touch the
ceiling? Yeah.
And catching it again and not going too off target.
Oh my God, yeah, and and it coming down the same path went
up. I do it now.
Straight above your eye. Honestly, God doing it now.
Anyone watching the podcast talking, just throwing a ball,
I'll. Tell you I'll show my skills.
Ready for me? Ready.
Watch this. Watch this.
You watch this. All the listeners watch this
like that, you know. Just number one, you hit the
roof, not that number two, it wasn't straight.
Yeah, okay, you're fine, Yeah. It's so true.
I'm gonna give a quick go. I'm gonna give it you.
Commentate. Yeah, well, because Devon
throwing, he's really aiming. Actually.
It's gone straight up awful. Much better than mine, though.
Didn't hit the roof great. But doing that sort of stuff,
you know, it was boring. I used to just have a table
tennis. Is there?
Is there an argument in that that's that's we shouldn't be
promoted? No, we.
Should be yeah, no. Get rid of creativity.
Give a. Give a.
Ball. Give a ball, throw a tet roof.
Can you make it touch roof son? Yeah, I don't know.
That's like the rubbish version of Kirby you're used to throw a
ball it. Was fun.
Yeah, he loved that. Wasn't even boring, that was
fun. Anyway, back to the original
point. There is something to be said,
isn't there, about the obsession with we cannot be bored ever?
Yeah, like boredom is so. And I feel like we're projecting
that onto our children sometimes.
Yeah. And he, I'm not saying I don't.
Aren't I great. No, I do.
I do because I my natural reaction is always bored.
Give him something. Yeah.
Yeah, Absolutely. You know, do you know what?
He just existed in that car at points for like 20 minutes
looking around, taking stuff in. And then he enjoyed it when he
got out because he was buzzing, because he could go around and
look at stuff. It's just part of.
I don't know. I just think we're a bit wrongly
obsessed with it because of our own habits.
And we've got big tech whose only job is eyes on screen.
The only thing they care about is increasing that time that
we're looking at the screen so that they build things that
literally hack our brains with dopamine into thinking the next
hit will be good. They're out.
They're out to get us in that respect.
That's their job. So I, I just, I just, I just
worry that our kids are sleepwalking into this world
where they won't even get their childhood first.
They won't even get that what we got first and I'm still falling
into that trap now. I just don't I I can't let that
happen sooner to a 2 year old. Well, I mean, you think two
things. Firstly, it's also doubled down
by the fact, like you said, we also work in schools where
productivity is it has to be 100% all time.
So we're constantly drilled into being like, there's no dead
time, there's no downtime, which doesn't help being in that
profession. Like maybe it's the same in all
professions, I don't know. But also like, and there's a
really classic like boomerish example right here.
But how many, you know, when you go into a restaurant now, how
often like do you see children just being a bit bored?
It's not, I'd say it's not very often that they're typically on
a tablet on some doing something that's keeping stimulated at all
times. Because like that's, that's the
kind of age we live in now, though.
And, and I'm really keen, and this is going to sound very
naive and I'll reflect on this in a few years.
I'm really, really, really, really keen to try super hard
to, to not revert to like phone screens and tablet screens when
we're out in public. I don't know if it's going to.
Happen. I don't know it.
Sounds a bit snobbish, I know. I was literally talking to my
auntie about this because I said the same thing.
I, I do not want to judge other parents at all, even more now
that I've got my own child. And there'll be reasons why and
and there'll be parents who really didn't want to do it, but
they just got. They just have to get through
this. Week, I agree.
But I, you know, she was saying how with her little ones, her my
cousins now they're in their early 20s.
So she was saying, well when we went out there was a lot more.
There felt like a lot more for the children to do, like they'd
get a colouring pack from the colouring pack.
That just doesn't exist. Anymore and it doesn't feel like
it exists. And but her point was like,
children aren't built to be sat in a chair for two hours.
That's fine for an adult to do when you're having a
conversation and you're waiting for your dinner and stuff.
Yeah, children aren't built to do that.
Like children want to run around and play.
And her her whole point was like, I, you know, my, my kids
never had these screens and stuff, but they weren't really
available then I think maybe I would have probably turned to
that as at a point to just try and keep them entertained
because children aren't built just to they're equally not
built just to be sat in a chair. You can be bored for bits and
and, but run around being bored. Yeah, exactly.
Or or explore stuff and make your own fun out of the edge of
a table or something. Do you know what I mean?
Like do something to be sat there watching everyone else eat
and like, have a conversation where you're not built for that.
Her point was like, I get why people do it.
I just, I wish there were other ways to get around it or or
maybe like there are some restaurants that absolutely
you'd never take your kid for whatever reason.
But maybe there are some spaces where this is a.
This. Is a restaurant where you take
your kids and you know, your kids are kind of free to walk
around a bit. Well, the the ultimate 1 is when
the restaurant has a little play area, they've got like a ball
pit. You know, like classic thing.
Charlie Chalk So. Yeah, yeah, even like, you know,
when I was a kid, the McDonald's sit in town, it had a massive
play area. So obviously if my mum was like
meeting up with her friends or something, she's looking after
me, she'd be like, OK, let's just go to McDonald's.
Wasn't it the best time? And I was like, brilliant.
You go, You ladies can go and chat over there.
You ladies. Yeah, you ladies, off you go, Go
and chat. I want to go jump in a ball pit.
Tell you. That will keep you busy for a
bit whilst I play. I'll just go go to the ball bit
to throw a ball up as straight as I can shake them off my head
that's. Exactly that lay in the middle.
Make sure no other children can come in and Chuck it.
But I don't know. We're going off on a.
Crazy. No, but it's just parenting in
general. Like my point is, I think God,
Oh my God, it's tough. It's tough.
It's relentless. I feel like it's more relentless
now than it was when there were little babies and like little
potatoes. I feel like if I could rewind,
I'd be telling myself this is the part where you have control
over where he goes. This is the part where your
sleep might not be as good, but you know what's coming.
It's going to be 3 hour cycles of sleep and feed.
At this. You don't get a second.
No, you don't get a second with a baby who can move themselves
around. Being real, are you enjoying
this stage of the most? Cuz so far in most of her life I
was like every stage we got up to I was like, I enjoy this more
than the last stage. Yeah, yeah.
Well, have you stopped that? Overall, I think so a little
bit. I find it that we're at that
perfect stage where she can't really talk yet and you know,
she's not got that many like motor skills to do like
interesting things yet, but she can walk around now and fall
over all the. Time.
And bump into things and pull things and moan constantly
because like no, she can't communicate properly so she's
constantly like whining and things and I'm like, oh, I think
I liked the previous stage a bit more where she was still really
cute and fun but like maybe couldn't run into a table and.
Smack her head. I don't know.
I I love my kids, so it's hard. You was going to turn it on me.
I would never say no. I I completely understand what
you mean when I say to people right now is that right now is
the toughest mentally. Yeah.
And what I mean by that is you, you genuinely don't get a
second. And and when I say you don't get
a second, I do get a second because Lauren might be there or
Nanny might be there. However, of course, of course I
actually get time. But someone has to be watched
because he will run and head to butt the table.
Yeah, he will go and like, fall backwards.
Into a wall because he's. Experimenting.
Yeah, he's experimenting stuff like he literally me and Lauren
were with him the other day playing with him and he still
managed just to turn around and whack his head on the table.
Yeah, because that's just he's just lost his balance.
It takes one second. It takes one second.
So you're you are constantly like on guard.
And he's he's going to be moving to one nap soon.
Let's start with when they're when they were napping.
Long naps and stuff. Yours was.
I never did that. I was like, oh God, we've got
two hours here. Yeah.
And like that, that's. But anyway, the the point is,
you know, anyone who's followed their journey from becoming
parents and stuff, It's maybe we'll talk about it more in the
future. Do like an episode about it, but
it's relentless, Yeah, and. And we're a tough stage right
now. I'd say I'm looking forward to
the next bit, which is just a little bit more robust, can
actually communicate a bit better, can run around with
purpose, like actually maybe go to like playground and stuff
like that. So this bit is, this is tough.
It's just like every day, come on, we've got to get go, get
through this, get up to the next.
Stage Like I said, I love my kid so.
I believe at that, I'd never got up.
Dylan loves this child, and apparently I don't.
I love my child more than anybody.
I'm joking, It's like teaching, right?
Why do you moans that matter around even then?
Because I do, actually. Really.
You were You were going to swear that I was going to swear you.
Know we I didn't swear so we. Didn't you?
Didn't look to me. I really really.
Fudgy. You look to me then, with those
editing eyes that I hate. You know I'm about to make some
work for you. Even save me or do.
Something for the podcast once in a while.
You can't make that joke anymore.
Every now and then I've got to edit something.
I can't make that joke anymore. OK, let's let's go on to.
You've got to ram me up. Is that right?
Yeah. And you seem to think this
something you mentioned in a minute might lead on to the
actual point. Yeah, I've got, I've got 2
little segments of Rival. But before we do that just
really quick because I think you've forgotten, I just want to
know because you've got, they've had this book here the entire
time. Can you please tell me what this
book? Is and why you've got it.
I got a message from someone called Sam, Sam Jones.
And I want to just show this right now.
So if you're watching, you can see Teaching Teachers.
It's this book he's made. So Sam's only 26.
He's mid 20s. He's a teacher.
I believe. He's a teacher.
Yeah. And I was really impressed just
in general, by anyone who manages to find time to do
something like this. The kind of thing I thought I
wish I did that when I was younger, a bit more time to
write a book. Well, he's done it.
And it's it's a book written by teachers for teachers.
It's just packed with advice. And the whole idea is, you know,
we've done episodes before about what you don't learn on training
and stuff like that. Yeah.
It's just a book that you can
pick up, especially if you're a newer teacher, I think, and it's
just bits of advice from teachers.
Right. So each bit if I'm looking at
the yeah. Exactly that you've got like the
he's, he's set it out. So it's like a school day, like
in secondary. So registration period, one
period, two period, 3 break time.
But each one's got a section like about the school, about
fundamentals, about exams, about recreation and play and stuff
and about actual teaching. But I just thought, you know
what? It's that book.
You don't have to sit and read chapter like front to back.
You can just look at the bits in the in the contents chapters at
the front, the contents at the front and be like, oh, do you
know what? Yeah, I, I do, you know, I
really want to know about how respect and respect work in both
ways. And the idea you don't have to
give yourself the child needs to respect you.
You also need to respect the children.
Yeah, yeah, of course. It's just.
And what I like about it, having flipped through and read some,
it's from teachers. You you can't say, oh, that's
completely wrong. Yeah.
It's it's a teacher with
experience who said this is what.
You can disagree with it if you wanted to.
But you know what? As a new teacher, this is the
kind of thing where it would help me a lot rather than being
stood in the DT room being dressed as an elephant.
Giving ideas. Yeah.
Which is what I would have done. Yeah.
Brilliant. Cool.
Thanks for that. Yes.
Have a lot. Thanks for sending us the book.
I will link it down below. I appreciate that and a nice
chat with Sam seems like a really nice guy.
So this one were. Fantastic.
Well, after that lovely positivity, it's time to get you
a noise. So I've got two things.
The boat again, I was always from the Internet, found them.
I thought, Oh yeah, save that. I used to tell you about these
things straight away and now I save them to get you annoyed on
the podcast. So this first one someone wrote
I've got we have optional lunch meetings for 45 minutes once per
week. And I'm weird anyway, right?
For the staff meeting optional lunch staff meetings 45 minutes
once per week. How are you sorry?
Go on. I'm just going to.
Yeah, but if you don't go, the other staff send children to
come and get you from your classroom, and they also have
weekly staff meetings for an hour and a half once a week.
Yeah. On top of that, yeah.
Sometimes, well, this is anonymous, Yeah.
Sometimes I think people make stuff up, like, like sometimes I
think and and. And that's is one of two things,
right? Either it's made-up, yeah, or
it's completely. Insane.
I think it's completely insane. That seems too bizarre and I can
see it happening. So first thing, just on that,
it's clearly not optional then. Yeah, right.
So that's the first thing. But the second thing, even if it
was optional, and let's say the children come round and you're
just like, no, sorry, it's lunchtime.
Yeah. How?
But how useful can a meeting be if you already accept
beforehand? But it's OK, some people don't
come. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.
At the baseline, if you're saying this is an optional
meeting, you're saying it's not very important.
It's not essential. It's not essential.
Yeah, it's optional. So it sounds like what they're
trying to do in this situation is they have a meeting they
think is essential. They know they're not allowed to
say it. They're.
Not allowed to do that. So we'll just say it's optional,
but then not remotely treat it as if it's optional.
Do you know there's no defence for that?
I, I, I really try now and think of a defence.
Yeah. Because I'm very aware that some
people, this, this might get clipped as a reel or something.
And some people like, I'm getting found it all the time.
So, yeah. But when something like that
happens, sometimes, sometimes the adequate response is to just
moan. Yeah.
But what's your advice? What would you tell?
And that's a solution. Sometimes the solution is to
tell someone. To I wonder, are we going to
swear again? No.
I didn't swear the last. Time, I know.
Yeah, sometimes the solution is to just.
Say like, absolutely not. Absolutely not.
Yeah. Absolutely not.
And do you know what isn't it? I think a lot of teachers, as
teachers, we're not even against working in our lunchtime because
we do it every day. How do you think we transition
from an English lesson, writing and books to a science lesson
with an experiment from 12 to one with with a lunch break
where we don't do any work? Of course we do.
We either are marking or setting up the next lesson.
Like if you want a really good quality lesson, what do you
think happens between doing English and science?
Yeah, but you can just walk your hair or.
English and art. Whatever your lessons for lunch
and art, yeah. All, all the tables have changed
position and there's been paper laid out and there's paint.
Now. Now the fairies have been.
The fairies have been because teachers don't work in
lunchtime. That's their own time.
They'll be working lunch time every day.
Yeah. I'd go as far as saying, and
maybe it's just me because it's just my habits that I've never
ever, ever in 10 years, maybe on Appa day this is not true.
Never taken my entire lunch like from minute to like the first
minute to the last minute. Like I've never just lunch just
started and I've just got up and left gone for the entire hour or
whatever you get and then come back right at the last minute.
I've always had. I've always prepping or marking
the previous thing. I'm guessing something.
Just think about it. Lunchtime is always billed as
the children's lunchtime, right? Yeah.
So you work, you do your lesson until lunchtime, and then you've
got a pack up, get your kids lined up, take them to the lunch
hall. That's your lunch time now.
Yeah. Yeah.
You've also then the kids lessons start at the end of
lunch time. So very often in schools,
whistles will go 5 minutes early, the kids will start
lining up. You need to get your kids in
that. So I, I might sound like I'm
being pedantic. I'm like, oh, well, of course
you've got to do that. OK, fine.
OK, Maybe I can accept that. 5 minutes either side.
Yeah. Like in maybe all other jobs,
that happens. Of course, you know, you've got
to leave your office at 12:00. You've got to walk to the staff
room and get your lunch like that.
That's part of your life. That's fine.
OK, but that's not what all we do.
No, you've got, you've got to then either you're marking then
or in after school, which is still your own time, you've got
to prep. I think people forget prep.
I think that's the big thing that people forget about
teaching, is the preparation is such a big part of it.
Yeah. I've had loads of people comment
saying, well, how do teachers rack up all these hours every
week on reels I've done recently?
I was like, yeah, but you're just forgetting that they need
to exist. Do you want to come and trim the
paper that I trim? Do you want to spend as much
time as I do trimming paper? Yeah.
It's insane. It's mental.
It's. Insane.
It's so backwards and I think there's lots of solutions to
this, but you can't just say it doesn't happen, it does.
What we should do, what we should do is pop in cheeky
little optional 45 minute meeting in that lunchtime as
well every now and. Then, and do you know what this
week's meeting's about? How to save time at lunch?
Come on, come on up, come on up to the meeting at lunch.
We'll take a save time at lunch. Anyways, that was one.
The second one I think links really nicely to what actually
talk. OK, let's do so.
We'll do this, then we'll do a little Jingle.
Yeah, we'll do that. We'll talk about, but you'll see
how it links. So this is a bit long one.
Again, anonymous as it always is.
This person said they've had the worst day in school ever.
A parent came to see them after school to say that.
Other parents in the class have set up a WhatsApp group to
criticise that teacher. How like, oh imagine hearing
that. Horrendous isn't it?
And said that some said that some really unkind comments have
been made in the group. She wouldn't show me the
messages but it left me heartbroken.
I really don't think I can go in tomorrow.
I've been teaching for 18 years and this has floored me.
Governors, it's getting worse, it gets worse.
Head of governors said nothing they can do about it.
Nothing they nothing they can do about it.
Came back today and had 14 emails from parents criticising
me of things that happened when I wasn't at school.
So basically it just sounds like a classic old witch hunt here of
this teacher. Yeah, in a way.
Like, I don't know what this teacher's done.
I don't know. I don't know this teacher.
All I know is that context right there.
But I thought I'd just get your feelings on this idea that
there's a WhatsApp group. What?
Was the parent who told them just trying to be nice or was
she part or he part of? The don't know, don't know.
I get I get the idea that this parent has gone to them being
like, I'm sorry, but this is this is being made so the
parents just letting you know because.
You can try and help in terms of it might be helpful to at least
know this is going on for your back because it was going on
behind your back. Although it's horrible, it's
probably better to know so you can try and go down the right
channels and stuff perhaps. Sometimes I I feel like I've not
really got good advice. Like I don't want it.
I don't want it to be me to pretend, don't have to.
Advice. It could just be how you feel
like. But I, I like giving people
advice in terms of just being there, in terms of if, if I was
in that situation, what was I do?
I, I would, you'd, you'd have to, you'd have to try and just
get through it. Like I, I think it's horrendous.
I think it's horrible if if, if, if a teacher's done something
worth complaining about, you know, you should just go through
the right channels. It should be from the parents to
the school to create a WhatsApp group just to moan about someone
seems a bit insane to nursery and and again like you said we
don't know what this teacher has done but.
For that many parents to get involved, maybe something's
happened. Yeah, potentially.
But I just don't think this is the road to go to.
No, it's not the route there. We have complaints policy that's
all in place. Like what makes me probably the
most sad of this whole thing is not the fact that that would
honestly be crushing, wouldn't it, to have that like have that
happen to you. It's just the fact that like, we
have line managers and governors and things like for a reason.
And when they don't, it's not about backing you up.
It's literally about just acceptable.
Yeah. Like if I was the governor, the
head teacher, I'd be like okay, even if I don't know what the
evidence is or maybe even I think as a head teacher.
Actually this teacher has been getting my nerves recently.
They have been not doing a job properly and I can see why the
parents are annoyed. I would still send out a letter
or something saying it's completely unacceptable and
professional to do insert this thing that they've done.
If you have a problem, here are correct complaints policies.
If nothing comes through, we will assume there is nothing
wrong. This is not acceptable.
Like just something like, come on, like, you know, we've got, I
don't know. It's a weird dichotomy, isn't
it, Where in a traditional business you would have
customers, staff and it feels like customers can be more angry
and be like, this is this is wrong.
I wouldn't want to when it's schools and stuff.
It just just feels different because because you're not
paying, everyone pays tax like before anyone comes.
It's not like a direct transaction of, of of goods,
tangible money, the way of doing so.
It's so tricky. And I agree completely with what
you just said. I think the biggest thing here
is how it's been done. And I'd, I'd think I'd be really
gutted if that happened. I'd be more than as a
professional, more than able to take criticism and say I didn't
like this because of that. And then at least I can have the
right of reply. But well, that didn't happen or
that did happen because of this. Maybe I was wrong.
Let's go through the right channels.
I think a big problem that we have and we'll talk about soon
maybe is the balance of the, the wall of professionalism we have
to kind of traverse because we're the professional.
We go, oh, we, we couldn't stick to that level if teachers were
found in the WhatsApp. This has happened before in a
WhatsApp group, saying stuff about the children or the
parents like this. It would be the end of their
job. Of course it would.
They'd probably. Get fired and, and potentially
correctly depending on what was said, But because because
they're the parents on the parents side, it feels as if
like this governor's saying, there's nothing we can do.
It feels like there's a there's a shift there different in
expectations of what you should part with and as a teacher
expected to part with more than what you are on the parents
side. Like you would imagine parents
imagine teachers getting together to say, Can you believe
this parenting style this, this parent awful.
They let them stay up till 9 on fortnight on a night and then
they were knackered that morning and naffs.
That's horrendous parenting. That'd be the end of the world.
You could never say that. You can imagine the headlines
and stuff, but it's OK the other way around to say, Oh my God, my
child. They, they, they picked up their
handwriting. They tried really hard with the
handwriting and the teacher, said the handwriting teacher.
'S such an idiot, isn't she? She's such, so stupid.
She's so rubbish at her job. Let's make a group and talk
about it. How much we hate this teacher.
It's just so backwards. Yeah, it is.
Mad how? Yeah, I agree.
I have everything you just said. But I think let's talk about it
because we're not, you know, after Jingle, we're going to,
we're going to chat about this sort of thing.
We'll get a bit more detailed. As well.
Hey, I've just just been wondering, why do people hate
teachers? We're going to talk about
teacher bashing. It's something we see quite a
lot. And I think the first thing to
say is I don't think the majority of people bash and hate
teachers. I mean, it's really important to
get clear, I think the vast majority of people actually
really respect us. I think there's a bunch of
people who just feel neutral. That's just another job.
I work hard, you work hard crack on.
And I completely respect that. I don't expect to be put in a
pedestal by anyone. But the minority are extremely
loud. And we see this a lot and we
kind of split it into four groups and we're going to try
and dive into them and just think about how they bash
parents and why maybe and, and maybe talk about why we get a
raw deal sometimes from those groups.
So they're they are parents and like we've just spoken about and
we'll go into more detail about how some parents bash teachers.
The press is a big one. We got a lot and a specific
press outlets. You can probably think of some
right now. We're gonna focus on one.
Yeah. Have a little, have a little
game. Which which one press outlet?
Which newspaper do you think we've really focused on here?
Yeah. We've got literally our own
family members. Yeah.
Like, like they literally go for us.
And I mean, I've had a really good experience with family.
Again, my family listened to this.
I don't think. Can't imagine.
That. But here's The thing is it is a
group of people that teachers find.
Yeah, exactly. And the last one.
General public. That's just people in general.
And that's coming from experience of us doing a teacher
podcast and releasing reals out and we've seen it we've.
Social media, we see a lot of it.
We'll come to that conversation later.
I think we start parents. We were just kind of talking
about it anyway. Yeah, I am just gonna start by
saying basically just reinforcing what you said.
I think sometimes people do jump on us and they only listen to
the bits where we own and they forget that we do actually have
wider opinions than that. So let's just start by saying
this. Most parents, in fact, almost
all parents that we've had experience with and I know
across the country, across the land as you used to say.
I think, I think you say Dylan says land more than I say land.
You've only said it like twice, but I've said the reference
about four times across the land because I love it across the
land. It's just such a great phrase.
But most, most parents honestly put us all on a pedestal.
They actually really, really, really respect teachers and
they're so incredibly nice. Like you know that they will go
as far as buying you a gift at the end of the year.
Like that's how much they respect.
And they back. Us up, they back you up.
They're lovely. So like Dylan said, we know that
that is the majority. But for whatever reason, we do
seem still seem to see a lot of teacher bashing more than you
probably would in a lot of other jobs.
Like on what is that? And part of the problem is some
of the culture around parents. And we do think that has
probably changed a little bit over time as well.
So I'm going to break this down into a few different things.
Yeah, I don't know if you, I kind of want to start my own
experiences. Yeah, if that's all right.
I just did like set the scene. Yeah, I think, I think what
that's what we can talk about generally.
We can say like, oh, what in general in the public people are
saying it's getting worse. Like that might be true.
Yeah. All we can say is from our point
of view and from the teachers we've literally spoken to, it is
I just want to preface everything we're saying now
with. I want people to understand as
teachers that we are in this mode, quite a lot of thinking
about protection and stuff for our staff because.
And many teachers listening to this will probably have the same
subconscious thought where if you're dismissing your children
or it's end of day and you see a parent and a teacher talking
maybe on their own somewhere, just like a parent just called
them part of our job. More than happy to talk to
parents all the time. As a teacher, if I see that and
no one else is around or other teachers are busy, I make the
conscious choice and effort to be within earshot of the
conversation. Now that's not to jump to
anyone. It's not for me to say all the
teachers always in the right and I've got to make sure I'm
defending my teacher. That's part of it that I want to
defend my teacher. I also just like, I just like to
defend the truth because I've seen too often that those kind
of off the cuff chats will be used by some parents to justify
and say, well, they said this about time just said this, it's
completely wrong and it's word versus word and just having
another pair of ears. So I just want people to
understand that this is built into our culture.
This isn't just something we're saying now.
This is something we think about and and we've seen not loads but
enough where we just understand there's something.
Going on well, we know that people, this is true in all
aspects of life. We like to talk about negative
stuff more than we talk about positive stuff.
I remember someone and the four artists who it was was telling
me that that this is like evolution at its finest, right?
It's like when you when you're, you know, go back to hundreds of
thousands of years. I mean, right, you, you want to
be more aware of the predators that are trying to eat you.
Do you know what I mean? So you're way more attuned to
things that negative life. I don't know how true this is as
an analogy, but I thought it was a good, you know, an analogy to
to compare it to. But we are in general, right?
So I kind of assume, maybe wrongly, I don't know, but I
kind of assume when I see a parent approaching me or
approaching another teacher, I'm like, oh, got something bad to
say. But but but.
You assume that based on your experience as well.
Where we're more likely it is, yeah.
As a teacher, unless we're really trying to be honest, are
we more likely to catch a parent to say, oh, this bad thing
happened, yeah. Or oh, this good?
Thing 100% the first one yeah absolutely.
And I really consciously try not to do that but it is a very
conscious effort. I very naturally if something
bad happens yeah. I'm going to tell the parent
that your, you know, your kid did this today.
If something good happens, Pat in the back, your kid threw my
shoes on the on the on the roof today.
That's why I've got no shoes on. OK.
But something good happens. Yeah.
But he did. He did compliment my shoes and
he did it so. Give him a treat on the way
home, I think. Yeah.
So definitely, yeah, we do that. That is part of a culture.
Isn't it OK, let's let's do our let's do our own experiences
then, because like you said, no one, no one can argue with this.
This is what I like about when you talk about this is literally
things that have happened to us. So from parents point of view,
Hayden, what what interactions have you had where you've just
felt targeted or just just just treated incorrectly do?
You know what, only a couple. Again, I'll make that really
clear. I've been teaching for 10 years
and I've only had a couple of interactions with parents where
I look back and think, God, that was horrendous.
Like they were, they were vile towards me.
That wasn't, you know, appropriate.
One of them just seems mad to me.
This child, generally a lovely child, by the way.
So it's not someone I've had many interactions with the
parents like for negative reasons at all, just swore in
the class that another child and I was like, that was
inappropriate. It was right at the end of the
day, literally we were leaving. So I thought I should probably
tell the parent because they made the other kid cry and
they've just sworn at the top of their lungs about this child
brought the just caught sort of backing the dad over and said,
you know, just explain the situation and their reaction.
They would like so like defensive immediately, like
physically in the way they stood, you know, listen to me as
if like, who the hell are you talking?
About This is a dad. Or this is a dad.
Yeah, she went. No, she didn't.
So what do you mean? No, No, no.
I'm just. Sorry.
You must not have heard me. I'm just she she was just
swearing another child on the way out.
I just thought I'd let you know so you can maybe just talk about
swearing tonight when you have a chat with her.
No, she didn't. My child doesn't swear.
She doesn't swear. Oh my God, she doesn't swear.
What do you do? I like, violently looking at me
in the eyes. She doesn't swear.
Sort of grabbed her as if to be like, come on, we're going.
I was like, oh, it's just that. Yeah, Yeah.
Well, yeah. Well, yeah, I'm not going to say
that at home because my child doesn't swear it off her
children. Thank you.
And walked off, stormed off, but was like really, really horribly
rude. You know, like in that moment
where you're like, I was almost like shaking where I was like.
But not only is he saying you're lying.
Yeah, he's talking to you like you're.
Yeah, Like I'm just like, I'm just nothing.
Yeah. And I was like, I don't know
what to do now. Like you said in that situation
earlier with like where the governors weren't backing up the
teacher because it's like, oh, don't want to, don't want to
question their parents back so that maybe be wrong when the
parents are being clearly vile. It was one of those moments
where I'm like, my natural instinct here is like, I want to
tell you to F off honestly, like, who the hell do you think
you are? He was on the.
Streets, yeah. But you think, oh, I better not.
I better not, you know, retaliate with 10% of that venom
because I'll be the one that gets in trouble for it.
Yeah, because they as way more leeway as parents.
And so I just took it, which annoyed me even more than I'm
walk away. I'm thinking I've just let
someone talk to me. Like that, but do you think that
is contributing to parents feeling like maybe they can get
away more and more because it's culture of I I swear like years
and years ago, a teacher could sit there and say this happened.
That's that's pathetic. The teacher could almost come,
probably too vile sometimes with the teacher.
It made me horrible, but it's gone too far the other way in
terms of the protection, like someone talking to you like
that. I just.
I just don't feel I can put up anymore.
Yeah, yeah. I just don't want to.
Similar sort of thing. And I'm sure you've got a story
as well. Same sort of thing at a parents
evening a few years ago, I guess.
I don't know. It's always a dad.
My two stories are both being with dads, Yeah.
But I think we're going to talk about it.
Later we'll talk about men, men and women and beer, you know,
from our experiences. But a dad just like so
condescendingly and patronisingly told me and my job
share teacher off before disciplining their child told us
like was literally like, you won't be doing that again, will
you? That kind of language.
So yeah, I don't think so. Oh my.
Do you really think so? My child did that.
I don't think my child. Did you do that, son?
No, you didn't, did you? What did?
So maybe next time it was really patronising.
Like I said, maybe next time your teachers will be a little
bit more cautious before they do that.
It was that kind of talk. And it was like, who the hell do
you think you're talking to? Yeah, insane, but you'd never
dream of doing it the other. Way no.
This is the. This is the.
Theme here like. Again, didn't retaliate too much
because it was like, it's not worth it because if I remotely,
if I remotely answer back, that'll go straight to the head
and guess. And do you know what?
Not, not anything against our head.
Do you know how they're probably going to back up the parents?
Because it's not worth that fight for them either, because
then they'll go to the governors.
Yeah. It's.
Just like you just have to like there's a point where it's like,
do you do we just have to put up with this or was I just being a
bit? Yeah, like, but I think that.
Attitude is what's what's ending up with this culture growing.
They think I got with that last time there these silly teachers
that never never forget. Just have a word of them.
Who they think they are knowing my child's behaviour.
Yeah, but you've mentioned this before.
I think you made a really good point.
I don't think we'd ever question the fact that a child parents
knows them best to have anyone in the world, which is
completely true. But that doesn't that doesn't
translate to 100% of the time. Every single time.
No, that dad really probably knew her kid, and her child
probably doesn't swear at. Home.
Her kid. Sorry, his his child probably
doesn't swear at home. Yeah, probably doesn't do that.
And but but that you can't translate that to every single
time anyone says anything about my child, though.
I'll know the right answer immediately without knowing any.
Evidence. No, my favourite 1 is my child
doesn't lie. Yeah, I know.
At that point I'm disengaged. Honestly, I've heard that a lot
of times, not even just in like a horrible conversation, just
genuinely parents be like, Oh no, no, no, they don't lie.
They don't lie at home. I'm thinking mate.
If anything, they're the best liars then.
Yeah, they just, they are lying. Every single child lies.
It is natural. Like you just learn to either
lie better or not lie as much when you get older because you
realise that people cracked you out and it's embarrassing.
Every child lies. It's part.
Time growing up honestly, you push the boundaries and you make
stuff up. Like it's literally proven to be
part of how we sane socialise. My my wider.
Point here, because I know you're kind of getting at it
then, is sometimes I feel a little bit offended when parents
think that I can't sort of analyse and spot maybe
behavioural patterns because I, I always want to say I've never
said this to a parent, but I've had it in my mind I had.
It in this podcast. I'm going to say it right now.
I had it in the in my mind when that parent was talking to me as
it like condescendingly patronising me like, oh, as if
like I don't unrecognised poor behaviour.
I want to be like, oh, how many kids have you raised?
How many? How many kids have you talked
about? Maybe 2.
Interesting. About 1000 for me for the last
10 years I spent 10 hours a day, you know, 6 hours a day with
them. I don't know, that sounds really
up my own, but I get it. But there is, there is some
truth and it's like, yeah, do you know what I have taught
honestly like 1000 children though I am, I do, I am quite
well equipped to recognise behavioural patterns, recognise
like spot things quite quickly, like give me a little bit of
credit and don't just don't talk to me like I don't know
anything. Like I find it so offensive that
they do that. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely on
on that kind of, I guess theme of what's the line for a teacher
coming back at someone. I can think of two examples in
my career, one at the start and one at the end where I was kind
of treated in the same way, but I reacted to it much
differently. So I was basically both times a
parent was raising their voice to me, really not happy about
something, something directly that maybe the school had done
or the policy that was in place. One time it was to do with a
football tournament and the first time was to do with the
football tournament that their child couldn't join in with
because they hadn't brought in shin pads or something.
That meant they couldn't play because that was the role.
But they paid a pound to play. It was like a summer fair thing.
And a parent was very angry, shouting him, why can't, why has
my son been sat there watching football this whole time?
Then why has he done that? He's paid his pound.
Why is he, why is he not allowed to do it?
And I should have said something along the lines of, oh, because
like we said, when you paid the pound and you put the
permissions slip that they have to bring these things with them
or else they won't be able to do it.
And he didn't bring those things because you and your son forgot
to bring those things. Yeah, yeah, didn't say.
That as I was very young and I was like, oh, sorry.
Oh, gosh, oh, yes, oh, that is annoying.
I guess you'll have to go and just talk to the sports coach
who's running it. I was just fobbed off.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I didn't want to be shy at
that, basically. And I was like worried I was,
oh, maybe I'm wrong. Then.
Then Fast forward in the last couple of years, I've had a
parent come in very shouty, very annoyed.
I'm like, why has my child sat next to this child in this seat
and planned blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
That's they, they're really bad. They're bad for each other.
You know, there's history of them doing this, etcetera.
I'm just like, yeah, OK. So this time what I can say to
them was the first thing I said to this parent was, are you OK?
Like not, not, not horribly, not patronised, like just doing like
are you, are you OK? Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, well, of course I am. I just want to.
You're being very loud. You seem really angry at the
minute about this. Yeah.
And you're shouting and I I can't really.
We can't solve anything whilst you're shouting.
And very quickly she did. Stunned it a bit.
Yeah. Yeah.
Sorry. No.
And. And she'd say something.
Oh, I am a lovely person. Really.
I don't sorry, I don't shout. I thought, OK, cool, we can talk
about it, but I'm not going to talk to you whilst we're
shouting. Basically the whole thing was
just. About taking control, basically.
Yeah, just take, take a bit more control and be like, let's let's
you know, I'm happy to talk to you about this.
Yeah. But you can't shout at me.
You can't come and talk to me like that.
It's just unacceptable. It could have gone the other way
where they got worse because of it.
And that I don't know how I would have dealt with that.
Yeah. Because if you just let them
carry on chatting and you answered their questions there,
then it's like just behave with anyone and play with a child.
You let them behave in a certain way too and you carry on
actually normal. Then they're then like, oh, I'm
allowed to do. That then there was two there
was 2 levels to this and the most important one was don't
talk to me like that. Yeah, that was really important
to me. I was like, hey, look, no.
The second thing was when I explained why and what had
happened, there was no, there was no reason why I would
separate these children without knowing certain things that the
parent assumed I knew or something.
And I said, yeah, we do, you know, do what most parents do.
They kind of have a quiet word of me and say, would it be
possible if we just move this around?
I go, yeah, of course we can, and that's the end of it.
But you came in shouting at me and getting annoyed at me for
something I didn't know about. And I'd, you know, I am not out
to get you. I said.
I said along those lines that I'm not out to get anyone.
I'm, I'm trying to do the best thing for the children as well.
And it ended up with having a really nice conversation with
this parent by the end. And I just, I just think it,
it's not easy to do that. I, I'm not saying it will always
work, but for sure over my career, having seen stuff, you
can have levels where you don't accept stuff like you can, you
absolutely are allowed to not accept being shouted at by
another adult in any walk of life, whether it's in your job,
if it's an SLT member or a manager or a parent, whatever it
is, you can then stop and be like, OK, first thing, I've not
actually done anything. So stop talking about that.
That's the first thing. Let's actually try and solve
this, because we can solve this in a way where you don't
disrespect. Me.
You're not shouting. So I think that that was from my
point of view, I could see my development there.
But in general, I don't necessarily think that parent
was hating on teachers. I think that parent just got
really angry and didn't think about it.
Yeah, they think that's happened sometimes.
Yeah, and they probably probably just didn't.
I don't know, maybe in their mind they didn't see you as in
that first moment as someone they respect enough to not shout
at. I don't know.
I bet there's other people. In the world they.
Want to shout? Maybe they shout anyone, maybe.
Do you think just you saying all this, do you?
Do you? Because I certainly haven't ever
had any training on this. Have you ever had any training
for a start? Do you think that there is
something in that, do you reckon?
Like new teachers should have a little bit of training on like
how to just managing parents, like how to how to deal with
just have a few situations like OK, parents really enraged
physically, they look physically violent towards you.
This is what you do. This person is being
condescended is what you do. This person's shouting at you.
This is what? You do, yeah.
Like we, I spoke earlier how it's kind of entrenched in us
that we kind of stand near someone if they're talking to a
parent. Yeah, that should probably be a
policy. Yeah.
And, and, and again, if someone comes to you and says, can I
have a quick chat? It should probably again be a
policy of, but not right now. Let's plan a time because we can
be in a room, we can be out of the situation that just
happened. It could be monitored.
Exactly. I think, I think there's
something to be said there. But but in general, yeah, very
quickly, I want to round this off because I want to talk about
the other things. But the very, very last thing I
want to say, and this is just from my experience, and this is
basically just we don't need to have a conversation about this,
but more of a plea to our listeners because the vast
majority of our listeners are female, because the vast
majority of teachers are female as as men.
And having worked with women, I see a lot more aggression and
poor attitudes towards my female colleagues from parents then I
get myself from parents. And I just wonder is, is that
just luck based on the fact of the parents I've had?
I started to think it's not because I've.
I've been working for 10 years now as a teacher.
Is it more widespread? I feel like in general, people
are far less likely to come bolshy and shouty at me.
And when they do, it's usually the dad.
Yeah, because man, on my I. I feel it's so funny because I
don't, yeah, I've got to be really careful because I don't
want to make generalisations that we don't know, we don't
know are true. But I know I agree from my, my
personal experiences, I think there have been quite a few
occasions where I've maybe done something in the exact same way
that a female member of staff has done it and the female
member of staff has then received complaint or an
interaction with a parent in a different way.
And it didn't happen to me. And I sort of thought guilty
almost. I've been like, oh, crikey, I
did that same thing. And.
We're both fine. No one did.
No one said anything to me. But you interpreted that badly.
Yeah, I've, I've, that's happened enough times where I've
started to think like, it's interesting.
Is it, do people treat me differently because I'm a man?
Like, and realistically, probably like, yeah, like the
world is quite complex, you know what I mean?
Like gender is very complex. We will like to say, you know,
we will fight for for equality, but we don't have perfect
quality. I mean, that doesn't exist in
this world at the moment. Yeah.
So I do wonder sometimes, yeah. As men, do we get treated.
And I think, I think we'd probably.
Be interested to hear people's. Yeah, I'd love to hear what you
think and. Experience, like not, not
necessarily just what I don't want is someone use a 74609
who's never worked in a school in their life telling me I'm
wrong about something that I've experienced.
Yeah, I don't want that. So don't worry, don't bother
commenting if that's you. But if you've worked in a school
and you have experience with it, just just yeah, let us know, see
what you think. Let's talk about the press.
This is the other big thing. So I think this, we'll talk
about this and then we'll just touch upon the other ones
because I think personally a lot of what we talk about, because
we can probably cover family in this as well, to be honest, a
lot of what we talk about and this idea and attitude towards
teachers is moulded by the press because that's where people get
their interactions from. They never worked in a school.
Yeah, yeah. We had a little game earlier.
We said, what media outlet do you think that we are focused in
on to look at their headlines and their attitudes?
Hayden, what do we go for? Yeah, you guessed it right,
because I know everyone got this right.
The Daily Mail. Oh, right, the Daily Mail.
Looking at the Daily Mail. And it was actually quite
depressing really to look for because we just used a simple
Google search term to help us find all the articles they've
written that have the word teacher in it.
And like almost every single one was just horribly negative about
teachers. But but what what I found really
interesting and depressing, like you said, quite often it would
be rooted in just a new story. But this is happening in schools
and there would be a way where you could just say this is
happening in school. For example, let me read to you
the first first headline we came across.
OK. And then Hayden can translate it
into what it what the actual news story is.
So we can see how there is such a spin and a bias and a teacher
bashing, click bait raging thing going.
On you gotta read it with a certain accent though, that
feels appropriate. OK, right, OK.
Yeah. Now teachers get an extra day
off every fortnight and say they couldn't now imagine life
without it. That's perfect.
Thank you. Do you want to translate that?
Yeah, what does it mean if you get an extra day off every?
Because, by the way, the extra means they already get 13 weeks
off again. Yeah, I'm getting.
Extra, Yeah, extra day off. What it means is they're allowed
to work from home for their PPA. One day a week they can work
from home. Keyword work, work from home.
Day off, though, isn't it? Apparently for teachers though,
when you work from home, it's not actually working.
It's everyone else, obviously. Yeah.
The the The Daily Mail editor was working at home editing this
story. Working.
Bloody hard doing that, no? Yeah, so absolutely, completely,
completely misconstrued. It's PPA.
It's just PPA you. Get 10% PPA, which is time to by
the way work OK, but teachers just get there Hayden you'd read
that and you'd think but where are my kids going to go and this
one day every fortnight if the teachers are off swelling off
No, the school the school opens all the.
Time Nothing's actually changed for the kids 100.
Percent for the kids constantly the teachers don't choose when
their days off are. They just get their time to do
their prep at home and if they want to go to the gym that
morning, it's OK because what that means is they're working in
the evenings or at the weekend. A.
Little bit of flexibility problem is, yeah, like you said,
that's one of many. We'll read out a couple of
headlines, but you read that as a just a general public, you
know? Yeah.
Why What? Honestly, why?
Why wouldn't you read that if you have no idea?
Yeah, right. Why wouldn't you probably would
start to have a bit of a negative like, well, that's a
bit, that's a bit lazy, Yeah. Course you would.
Course you would because it's written by experts to do that.
Yeah, yeah, that's their goal. So it works, you know, and.
You've clicked reading it. They've got the ad revenue.
That's all they care about. There was a really interesting
snippet from it as well. Because you read the article.
Yeah. And usually, again, with most
good journalism, you'll have this is the thing that's
happened. Here's the view of one set of
people, here's the view of another set of people.
And this is the argument and these are the facts.
That's that's what good journalism normally is.
Here it was. It was just all kind of bias,
bias, bias, bias. Now, like we spoke to the head
of this education like firm who do advisory stuff for the
government. And then you're like, OK, let's
see what they say. Let's get another opinion.
It'll be interesting. You can get the opinion on how
it's a good thing. Here's the here's the quote.
It diminishes the status of teaching by telling prospective
teachers that the good thing about this job is the fact you
can get out one day, a fortnight.
What? Mental.
And his whole point was it's a bad thing because if every
school did this, it wouldn't be a unique selling point anymore.
It would just be normal. Yeah.
What? What?
Planet is this person. On No, guys, we can't all have
good things because everyone's got a good thing.
It's not a good thing anymore. What are you on about?
If we give teachers A5 grand pay rise in one school, then other
teachers might want it and and then it wouldn't be good.
If we all got a 5 grand pay rise wouldn't be good.
That'd be awful. Wouldn't it takes away the
unique selling position of that that particular school?
Stupid man. I just it just Anyway there's
another one going to read it. Yeah, should have a headline.
Education Secretary backs letting teachers work from home
as Labour looks to offer lions and shorter working weeks to
make the job appealing to Gen Z. So many layers that isn't there.
So let me translate that for you.
Yeah, Education Secretary backs letting teachers work where they
need to. That's more convenient for them.
Yeah, yeah. No, no, that means they're
offering lions. Lions offering lions are short
and shorter working weeks. This is the thing that really
winds me up about the whole working for home thing.
It's like, are they work less? No, they don't.
They travel less. They use your infrastructure
that you as a billionaire have probably invested in and you've
got interest in like, oh, oh, the owner of the Daily Mail.
I wonder how much office space they own and they've got to make
sure are used. But the the whole the whole idea
of it being less work is just complete rubbish to make not
less work. I just love the end.
The end. You made me laugh because it was
like just just to top it off to make the job more appealing to
Gen Z. Just getting in that little dig.
Because the Daily Mail hates young people.
If you didn't know that already, make it more appealing because
Gen Z is so lazy and they need their lions.
Unbelievable. But then they might want to go
be a teacher if they get one day at work, one day at the.
Week after I wiped, Yeah. Oh my God.
Anyone going into teaching because they want the lions and
the nice? You've got some news for you,
baby. That's not going.
To be that. It's just, it's just full of
click bait rage, isn't it? Yeah, last one, last one.
Schools for this was really interesting to me.
Schools forced to spend £1.2 billion plugging gaps in
staffing as almost 14,000 teachers teachers called in sick
every day in the last year. Few things, number one, just the
way that's worded just to whack out 1.2 billion everyone goes
big number no context of how much in general companies are
spending for sick. No, none of that.
And 14,000 teachers call in sick every day.
I don't know about you, but just just reading that as a quick
headline, that sounds like 14,000 teachers aren't going in
every day. Every single day.
But no, it's different teachers. It just means in any one day
there's 14,000 staff off. Yeah, no context again, just
these big numbers that sound if you just read it quickly.
Oh, that's big number bad. Big big number do bad thing for
brain. Loser teacher are too bad.
We don't like big numbers. Click on Daily.
Mail now I hate teacher me me go to teach sleep, repeat podcast
Instagram. You are stupid teacher who take
lazy and lying and do all these days off because you can't do
your job. By the way, while you're here,
can you tell me how to change my name from user 746021 and my
display picture as a fry up? Why is it always people who have
complete nonsense as they use the name and a picture of like
their dog it's. Because they know they're toxic.
They don't want to be I'd one. Person moaning right?
I'd one person, this is a quick story because because we had a
lot of interaction on our reels and stuff.
I had someone comment on a reel idea and they said something
like, well, you choose to be a teacher when I was saying
something's bad. We I'm not going to go into the
debate about how that's just nonsense.
Anyway, well you choose to be a teacher and their display
picture was a tractor, right? So I so I replied going I have
interest. Do you back the farmer strikes
in London right now? Are you there with your tractor
with them because you choose to be a farmer?
You know, you could just not be a farmer, couldn't you?
Didn't reply. No, of course, of course not,
because it's a rubbish, because. When, because when it because
when it's them who are doing the thing, it's fine.
I agree back to this stat though, the whole 1.2 billion
plugging gaps 14,000 staff off. It's exactly literally I made
this point last week. Remember when I said when we're
doing that game about statistics, how sometimes that
newspapers will use the percentage if it sounds good and
if I'll, I'll use the real number because big number sounds
good. So we did the maths.
There's about 500,000 teachers in in the country, which equates
to 2.8. So 14% of five, 500,000 is 2.8%.
Then we looked up. 14% of 500. 1000 that 14 what did I say?
14,000 out. Of 500.
Out of 500,000 is about 2.8%. You did the maths.
Right, which is a lot lower, isn't it?
If you said or 2.8% of teachers are going off sick, it's like,
OK, well in a day, in a day it's not too bad, is it?
And one of the averages, the average in the for all jobs is
about 2.2%, Yeah. So it's more, it is a bit
higher, yeah. But.
It's there's no way to get as many rage clicks and frothing
mouth boomers. From if you said not .8% more
for teachers than others, it's like that's not really and also.
Right when you see that gap, even if you saw that gap and you
still got annoyed because there might be someone who's saying,
well that's more yeah, that's bad, isn't it?
Bloody lazy teachers. That's, you know, going from 2.2
to 2.8. That's a big jump.
Well, OK, maybe the the thing you should do at that point is
ask why I. Wonder why?
Yeah, why? I can make you some good
reasons. I can make you a really good
reason. Yeah.
Do you know Teachers work in schools where loads of kids are
sick all the time. Did you know that?
Did you know that you're actually exposed to so much more
sickness than basically any other job other than?
Working in NHS and stuff. Could it be that teachers are
actually just getting more sick? Yep, rather than just wanting a
day off. Yes, I can tell you from first
hand experience of constantly having a cold for the last 10
years, Yes. But I work at an office and I
get a cold sometimes. I know, I know, I know.
I'm not saying that you don't get ill if you're somewhere
else. Can you listen to what we're
saying? I have.
Children who are. Snotting on themselves, asking
me to do up their shoelaces and then snotting in my face every
day. And I know for a fact I see for
everyone teacher who's called in off sick, I see nine teachers
who should call in sick who don't exactly all of the time.
It's just nonsense. So way more illness to more
illness. Also, school policy, the school
policies are often quite harsh on sickness.
Like if you're I'll, it's like don't come into school because
you're going to spread it because like we just said, this
illness spreads way more in schools than it does in in
regular places. So the policy is sometimes a bit
more harsh of like, OK, you're a bit sick, you probably could
come in and. 48 hours off but. No, you're not allowed to come
in because that's our policy. Yeah, so there you go.
That's going to bump up the stats.
And there's no flexibility, there's no ability, everything.
There's no flexibility in the job.
How many people do you reckon maybe feel a bit under the
weather and they think I've got a bit of holiday to take?
I'll take a week off, I'll fully recover, I'll rest, I'll relax.
But we can't do that if we're ill in the middle of term time.
We've just, we've just got to take that sit cover.
I'm not saying people waste their holiday and getting sick,
but I'm just saying there's no flexibility.
There's the option. And do you know what?
Do you know what sometimes happens?
Just the last thing here, it's just the fact that the job is
unbearable, but it's just, but you work yourself into the
ground in term time. I don't know many teachers who
get to the end of time who aren't feeling absolutely done
in and most of them get to half term.
Some of them might not, but there was one last point with
the Daily Mail I wanted to make. And it's just how they are just
absolute hypocrites. Just the biggest hypocrites
you've ever seen because all they care about is clicks.
We found in the midst of all this, where we're looking for
all these, we found one article. Do you want to read the
headline? Here, Yeah, go on then, it says
you. You wouldn't believe this from
the same newspaper. Poorly paid British teachers are
quitting their jobs in droves to double their money, live the
high life abroad and get their children taught in private
schools. That's how that last bit.
Obviously just just try and make some opinions.
Yeah. Because they are, they're,
they're, they're they're it's not us.
Yeah, we're not, it's not us. Oh, teachers.
Yeah. So built into that, that again.
OK, what does that say? OK, it says that we, we don't
pay our teachers correctly based on the rest of the world.
There are other parts in the world where it's much better to
be a teacher. There are other parts in the
world where it's better to be a child in the education system.
You're accepting all this by running this article and having
this headline whilst whilst battering us every day, every
single day. And when all you care about is
click bait and just painting this picture because then you
get your ad revenue and you don't actually care about
getting to the issues and solving things and actually
trying to help or understanding that we are a profession on the
real job. All you're doing is bringing
this culture of teacher bashing that we see in family.
We, we said we're going to talk about family in general public.
Let's just whack them in now. Let's just finish off with them
because they're the same. Because you know what media is
the overall thing. That's what it is.
It's what is affecting, you know, most of the stuff.
Yeah, because you're. Uncle took on.
Yeah. So you know what, just go back
to the question again just to re re, you know, route ourselves.
Yeah. Why do people hate teachers?
Yeah, because the Daily Mail post that article every single
day like that constantly, and people are consuming it
constantly and then they're telling their mates constantly
and it's affecting the culture on the playground constantly.
And then parents are getting away with being horrible to you
because schools are too afraid of saying anything constantly.
Yeah, right. Yeah.
And on top of that, you've got your family taking the MIT
because they think your job's rubbish, your job's easy,
really. We.
Just want to be, it's really clear because, well, I honestly,
my family, genuinely never. They're so respectful and
lovely. This is almost a joke point.
Yeah, but no. But it's true because you see
people saying I went for Christmas dinner.
We've had people message us and be like, yeah, how do I just, I
tell my family member that I'm not lying to their face.
You know, that that niece you've had who's 25 and you've loved
and doted on them your whole life and they become a teacher.
And they say to you, Oh my gosh, it's so hard, such hard work
being a teacher. How can you wire someone's brain
as their Uncle Rob who's just like, I can't believe that
though, because I've read the Daily Mail every day for 15
years and it's like they're bloody lazy.
So I think you're lying to me now.
Classic niece, being lazy like you were when you were five.
Don't remember when you were five and lazy.
You're still like that. Haven't changed of, you know.
It's just like as a family member where is just like the
benefit of the doubt to be like, you know, OK, I've not ever
experienced this. You have.
I've read the Daily Mail. I've listened to you, my lovely
niece. So I've trusted and I've loved
for 25 years. Daily Mail's right.
You're a bloody lazy.
Yeah, I'm telling I've got I'm going up.
I'm leaving this Christmas dinner to go and do my planning.
Oh, well, that's because you're a bad teacher.
You need to be more efficient. These idiots who don't like
teachers, they change their opinion based on what point they
want to make. So I've heard that I've seen the
same person genuinely in the comments this week.
I've seen the same person say I outright don't believe these
facts and I think teachers work 40 hours a week maximum and I I
just don't believe them. I don't believe that facts.
They're just they, they barely work.
They work 40 hours a week in turn trying to get all those
holidays. I don't believe them.
Later on in the same thread when someone's replied and said I'm a
teacher and I literally do this. Here's how my hours breakdown I
do. I do 40 hours a week literally
just in the classroom and I've got to prep everything else blah
blah blah blah. I do another 20 and then their
reply is well then you're, you're just inefficient aren't
you? You're just an idiot.
You need to get a better job. It's your own fault you're not
efficient enough to get your job done.
So in the same breath this person believes that.
They just don't believe it. So both teachers is the teacher
paradox of the boom. Idiot teachers are both lazy
people who do 40 hours a week and get all that time off, but
also silly idiots who can't be efficient with their time and
work way more than they should. Which one is it, mate?
Yeah. Which one is it that we're
doing? It's all amalgamated in Get
Another Job then. I don't know.
I've done this. I'm not going to do it again
because I do it so, so often. But no, I'm good at, I'm doing
it again. I'm good at this job like it's a
skill. I invested tonnes of time and
money into this job, just like a lot of people do.
So just getting another job is not actually a very viable
option. And we do need teachers.
We do need them. So if we all took that advice,
there'll be no teachers. I hate it.
So the last thing in general public is, I suppose that that
whole thing came from social media.
That's where we see most of it. And we've been doing a lot of
reels lately where I I've honestly done reels when they're
not even clips from the podcast. I've just filmed the reel from
the ground up. I've got some data.
Yeah, I've got some evidence, and I'm just making a point.
And I've been really clear multiple times to say I'm not
talking about anyone else. All I'm saying in this reel that
I'm thinking of is teachers do work extremely hard.
It's not as simple as we just get the holidays off.
If you average out our hours, we work more than the average
worker. Yeah, not more than everyone.
That's how averages. Work, and that's not an opinion.
That's just a fact, just a simple fact.
And there's so many people commenting blah, blah, blah,
blah and making a point. Something I didn't say, just
didn't say that in the video. So I don't know what you're
commenting because I literally didn't say that.
So what about me? I workloads?
Do you remember the bit in the video where I said, I know, and
I'm just saying that teachers work hard?
Yeah. And my favourite part of that
was you. You're on your personal, you're
in the personal ground. Someone got me saying we'll just
quit. Then you just replied.
There's me replying to people trying to do some really like
nuanced arguments and stuff being replied.
Brain rot advice. Yeah, honestly, do you know what
I actually tried? I even messaged you after saying
I need to stop. I deleted Instagram for for ages
for a few months because I just can't stomach it.
I went on for two seconds and looked at a real you made first
first comment was the get another job, then just quit.
Yeah, brain rot advice close my phone.
I was like I don't care. This is this is I'm being I'm
being rude and horrible. I don't care and I need to stop.
So I've I've actually since then.
But it's that, it's that pedestal that you're talking
about where if someone's rude and horrible and just idiotic.
Yeah, you want to be. Rude back.
You want to be read back, but you're like, well, I can't
because I'm a teacher. It's like, well, do you know
what? Sometimes Do you know what?
Sometimes honestly, people just need to hear that they're wrong.
Yeah. And then sometimes I'm wrong.
And again, I remember that I'm on my high horse.
I'm always right. There's probably, there's
certain parts of that video maybe where I interpreted that.
I don't think I did, but maybe there's a point where someone's
like, well, what have you thought about this?
And if someone made that point, yeah, you'd be.
Respectful, yeah, but oh, that's interesting.
But but someone's saying, oh, I don't believe it.
Yeah. So on the macro level, I suppose
what we're going to summarise here is why does, why do so many
people hate teachers? It is because of the
representation. And I think, I think most people
who are close to teachers, who are see teachers work.
Most people are very respectful. My mates are amazing that we
always joke, but they they, they really understand it.
My family are amazing, my colleagues, obviously most
parents are amazed. Most interactions I have are
amazing. It's just such a shame that the
loudest people are usually the most ignorant.
And, and it's written by the Daily Mail.
There's one final point because I don't want to miss it because
I feel that people be like, you didn't think about this one.
It's a big one about the, you know, because everything's so
far has kind of been about how media changes things, right?
But there's also personal experiences.
People went to school. Almost everybody went to school
as a kid. And teaching has changed.
School has changed a lot since the average adult was actually a
child in school. And I think our own experiences
shape how we view teachers. And it is different.
You know, if you think about if you ask your grandparents or
your parents or whatever about what it was like being at
school, they will they will always jump straight there.
We're so quick to tell you about how they got that board brother
thrown at them, how the teachers would just cane them or to just
shout at them if you didn't do as you're told you it was just
discipline, discipline, discipline, right?
And a lot of people had a negative experience because of
that. And then they grow up and then
they become parents and they just kind of expect that to
still be the case. So when it comes to interacting
with their child's teacher, us who who I'd say are probably
very different to what it was back then on Gen in general, I'm
sure there are some. Well, I'm not throwing board.
Around yeah, exactly you know only at you.
I think that massively impacts people's opinions of of
teachers. Well, that I think sometimes is
why parents can be so quick to get Aggie at you because they're
because they're they're thinking, God, my teachers were
horrible to me. They were horrible to me.
And I'm just going to assume that you're equally as horrible
to my and. That's probably reasonable to
think if you haven't had any. Experience, yeah, I get it.
So I can understand that. Another perspective base of why
people might not like teachers, it's because root in their own
experiences. So on top of that, we've got
culture from media, big media, just absolutely driving these
stories into the heads of teachers, being lazy, entitled
people. It doesn't help, does it?
No, it doesn't help. So you can understand why people
don't like teachers, but majority of people are actually
very nice and hopefully we can help to improve that culture.
Absolutely. And and last thing again, just
for the balance because we spoke about an hour, so I'm going to
speak about this for 10 seconds. So that's a good balance there.
Some some teachers. Some teachers do moan and do
things wrong. Yeah, of course they do.
And when parents call it out, that's important.
It is it there is there is a role for a parent to be
defensive of their child and there are situations where that
needs to happen. And I don't want anyone to think
that we're coming out here saying teachers are always
correct in everything. No, no, no, let's be honest,
let's be balanced. But we're talking about
specifically just those people who have those preconceptions
before anything's happened. They're already in the comment
section writing out how teachers are lazy before they've done
anything. And that does stem from a
systematic kind of approach that's fuelled by the media that
I think is backed up by them tapping into your experiences in
school, like you said, well, behaviour was much easier
control back then, yeah, because you would get caned by the head
teacher if you misbehaved. So managing behaviour now is 10
times harder. It's so hard and and so much
more nuanced, so much more complex.
Yeah. Yeah, Exactly.
Exactly. Yeah, yeah.
Interesting discussion. I enjoyed that a lot, yeah.
Well done. Do you hate teachers still now?
I hate you. Yeah.
And you're a teacher, so I guess.
Oh, use my Daily Mail conference here.
Yeah, I hate all teachers. OK.
So good. We've got to end this one.
Make sure you hate all teachers and follow us and hate on us as
well. Don't hate us, you can.
Whoa, no. Yeah, because the teachers.
No, You've got hate on us as well.
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