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Hello, valued customers and 
listeners. 

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Welcome back to this week's 
episode of teach seat, repeat 

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with your host Bill and price 
and me Hayden. 

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Sorry I was put off you. 
Okay, yeah, I'm fine. 

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I just, you know, I take things 
to heart and when last week you 

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mentioned the fact that I've 
started every podcast with the 

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exact same thing. 
I just thought I'm gonna freshen

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out this week, going to be a 
robot, I'll just be rubber thing

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for me smile. 
Yeah, that was great. 

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I loved it. 
Listen, if you're gonna force me

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to break my habits of a 
lifetime, then you're gonna have

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to put up with me thinking about
every single syllable that I say

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it out loud. 
Okay. 

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Yeah, but in so you remove the 
energy and thought, Oh, I'll 

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just deliver it like this 
instead. 

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Well, I think we should go back 
to the old one. 

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I hate to admit it, Dylan, but I
liked the old one better. 

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Thank you. 
And again, people at home 

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listening, they don't see every 
single week. 

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Hayden always comments, because 
I do the same hand gestures as 

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well. 
And when we're getting ready to 

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go, we kind of line up our audio
recordings. 

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Lot of people have asked this, 
by the way, do we record in the 

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same room? 
A lot of people have asked me 

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and we don't, we are recording 
this remotely and Away. 

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Clearly ha, ha ha. 
Yes, I don't know why we would 

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possibly lie about that, that we
don't. 

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Yeah, I've been asked the same 
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Quite a few people and have been
shocked every time, and I say 

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no. 
Hmm, different rooms different 

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rooms. 
Anyway, most boring startup 

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podcast ever. 
Let's line it up, shall we? 

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Let's go straight in. 
I know the viewers, I call them 

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viewers, they don't watch, I 
guess they watch a real every 

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now and then listeners want to 
know Hayden, they feel invested 

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in your life. 
You better give them a really 

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cool story. 
What's going on on this week? 

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That's nice. 
I like that. 

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I mean it's been a pretty A 
bog-standard week. 

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However, there's one highlight. 
That is, you know, it's 

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hopefully make you laugh. 
I was on duty playground and oh,

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you're laughing already. 
I thought that was that wasn't a

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funny bit? 
No, no, that wasn't then it 

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starts laughing at you actually 
remembering to go for Duty. 

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That's quite a fight. 
Yeah, touche touche, fair 

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enough. 
I'll take that. 

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So I was outside. 
Do my usual was skating around 

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making sure I was getting on. 
Alright, get caught, you know, 

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to stop sorry, flight attendant 
to a cockney. 

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You know, I respect that the 
respect that the order of the 

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peaky blinders, now, get off the
jungle gym. 

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Yeah. 
Mysterious, he's coming. 

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He's coming. 
He's coming. 

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And that really they just carry 
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there. 
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The further back the playground 
she's checking in on with kids 

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and rough-and-tumble all over 
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had to interview, you know, he's
just get really close to kids to

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make them aware that to be, 
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doing what you're doing, but I'm
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And one of them came up to me, I
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This child and a younger group, 
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said to me, ah, right, Lord, 
Baal Deluxe, firstly. 

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I was like, let's say, got you 
have just, I was coming over 

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here because you were there, 
messing around a little bit. 

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I'm trying to put my Stern face 
on but then I was more annoyed 

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that he got it wrong. 
So all I did was correct this 

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child. 
I said, excuse me, but I did it 

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with dead stern-faced, right? 
So he really did not know how to

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react. 
It's I don't think he actually 

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process the fact that I was 
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That's it. 
Scuse me that's Lord Voldemort 

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to you and he apologized for 
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was my real name. 
Oh sorry, I didn't realize this 

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Baltimore. 
Brilliant. 

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So thanks Dylan for, I've 
trained them. 

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Well I wonder if I were teachers
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You have that same that same 
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place in everyone's playground 
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seem to think of anything. 
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She's uh, Corner, you know, just
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people who are on duty. 
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always that one place and you 
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there's 17 kids on top of each 
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Just bundling. 
It was like cold. 

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Stop that please. 
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they realize what that did is 
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single day when I allowed to do,
and if you notice nothing, tell 

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them every single day not to do 
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schools. 
I like this but we have like 

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equipment at lunchtimes. 
We don't really get equipment, a

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break times just because it can 
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So break times isn't uh, you 
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la casa, get a bit of fresh air.
But one of our one of our school

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rules is please don't take out a
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it around as a football. 
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bottle and start kicking it 
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And basically, please don't play
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week. 
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this, is it just me? 
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Whether it's a Pringles lid or a
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Well, it's the most random 
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It was, it was a, it was a 
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I was like they saw me come in 
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That wasn't me, I wasn't 
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I wasn't actually playing. 
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It's like yes, no I work. 
You were, can you stop playing 

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football with the badge? 
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I wonder if we could get our 
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Who listen to this podcast to 
tell us the most random thing 

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being used as a football because
they will find anything. 

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Anything they will use anything 
tubule. 

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I've seen. 
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I've seen before a jumper, and I
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ball shape, and kind of, you 
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They kicked it once and it fell 
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I tell you, one of the funniest 
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playground and it's funny. 
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where you can laugh about it 
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the moment you had to not laugh 
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was actually for your know, 
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It's terrible was naughty, but 
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right at the kids were playing 
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One of the kids just had one 
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running around as you do and and
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No, don't do that. 
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that. 
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right? 
Is this kid this other child? 

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Who is it? 
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Picked up the shoe and just 
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Lobbed it. 
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I was right, right there. 
I was right there, but he did it

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as if I'd walked off. 
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anybody. 
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All right. 
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what what are you doing? 
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at Shoe, like what I just I 
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It was It has but not hilarious.
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of the episode of the office 
when they lose the quiz and 

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veggies, there you guys are back
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Yeah, that's the real quiz. 
That's the real quiz and that's 

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one of you for you guys out 
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if you haven't ignore that last 
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But an excellent that's not 
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Dillard. 
If they haven't go and watch it 

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because it's a fantastic show 
that. 

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Yeah, you should have said. 
It's the real quiz is the real 

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quick but that's my weak. 
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Digress into other stories. 
Anything interesting coming from

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you? 
I guess that nothing, like, 

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outlandish quite a normal week, 
but there was one thing that 

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happened that kind of did spark 
my memory of a previous 

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discussion, we had in the Pod 
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one of the first weeks now and 
we're just veterans at this what

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we at now episode 67, something 
like that. 

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One of the earlier episodes, we 
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and primary school and how 
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that in primary school. 
Maybe we're raising a bunch of 

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to quote, the word I hate, 
because it usually means people 

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who care about things snow. 
Flakes. 

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Like, you can't lose basically, 
everyone's a winner kind of 

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thing. 
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not true, we do celebrate 
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We also just take into account, 
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individual feelings and if that 
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sorry, guys. 
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teaching PE, is outdoor 
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And essentially what that is, is
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We got side to get the equipment
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games. 
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It's Team building think of 
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go and build a raft. 
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course, but we can do those kind
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forced to work with each other 
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just such a pain for children to
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a classic thing that as teachers
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things on reports. 
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it before, will expand on their 
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split Teams of six six or seven,
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children. 
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So five children in a group of 
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was the classic, you know, get 
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mats and you can only move them 
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Everyone stood off of it, and 
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and you're stood in a circle 
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You need to get a hoop around as
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unlinking although classic kind 
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communication. 
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Hmm. 
So, the first week I did it last

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week, I didn't give them any 
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I just introduced into the game,
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And observe them and just to see
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the working in groups and 
whether they were good losses or

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bad losses or through a straw or
have a Paddy if they were 

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losing. 
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We know what it's like working 
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You threw a party and I throw a 
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I got rid of they, there was a 
lot of falling out and there was

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a lot of children over 
celebrating the win, you know, 

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really going over the top and 
purpose for, you're looking at 

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children who they knew they 
could wind up and trying to just

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get to them. 
So then, at the end of last 

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week, I had a chat with them 
about You know, we spoke about 

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this before, there's always 
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there's ways to win and there's 
ways to lose and, you know, the 

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you need to learn how to develop
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So this week we came along, I 
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and they were so good. 
Honestly, so good. 

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They were, they were really 
encouraging their teammates, 

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they were losing but trying 
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And this is the point. 
I made to them trying. 

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Your hardest is, is more 
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It just is. 
And some people have a different

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outlook on that. 
But in terms of teaching a group

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of children, trying your 
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much more that you can do at 
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It's really hard especially laws
like skill in life. 

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Isn't it to be able to work hard
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outcome, right? 
That's a good thing. 

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Yeah, and I do always remember I
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to say that and that actually 
did that did stick with me a 

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lot, which was look as long as 
you tried your hardest. 

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And the reason she'd say to me 
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that quite often. 
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development of the individual 
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want to do it this way and if 
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understand empathy, but when it 
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annoyed at their teammates are 
all your being slow. 

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And I want to win. 
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That they could, they do quite 
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majority of people, I think at 
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have team building companies for
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assumption that a lot of people 
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skills and everything else that,
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nothing that's going to segue 
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just said, but I just think it's
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perhaps as staff we're not as 
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delivering the math concept or 
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like that in English. 
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obvious and there's the whole 
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certain children of a certain 
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a lot more even Nursery. 
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from covid. 
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to see how how we're going to 
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of attainment and education. 
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adequate level, you see, those 
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might dip because of that, I'm 
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Dylan because I actually we're 
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I'm going to ask you a question 
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lick, you know, make their make 
the listeners stick around, you 

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Eagle. 
You're gonna come back and ask 

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that question here is, do you 
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well-being? 
I know you will only a GSE off 

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that to second wait and I do 
have my answer. 

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So, thanks Hayden for that 
retention scheme. 

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Well, can I say, does British 
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and have polarity makes for a 
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overall. 
I'm just going to give a 

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one-word answer. 
No, so bring it right to the 

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context of primary school then 
does that change in any way? 

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Or were you already thinking of 
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thinking of that classic yet? 
No, no I was thinking very, I 

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was trying to think straight 
away what British culture means 

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to me in terms of that kind of 
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And the thing I think about 
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you know, that classic British 
stiff upper lip. 

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You know, if you've got a 
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because we're British and I 
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This is a very tenuous link but 
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know you love politics. 
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Dominic rob. 
You know, he got he got he 

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resigned over a bullying scandal
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droves in some of the media. 
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being horribly demeaning and 
Bully, basically, pulling his 

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staff and just you know 
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behave in the workplace and the 
amount of people who Who came 

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out and said, o, Britain's 
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can't even put up with with 
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They're doing their job badly 
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There it is. 
There's that massive subculture,

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we've got of that generation. 
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acceptable way to go about life.
Who think there's literally 

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nothing that anyone can do with 
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can, sorry, emotionally and 
mentally be a detriment to you 

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and that if you let that happen,
you're the problem. 

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I think that is so widespread in
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culture. 
Still, I think it's going to 

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change generation to generation.
I think the fact that he was 

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found guilty for bullying shows 
already that that culture is 

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changing because for sure, 30 40
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blinked, an eye lid, that your 
boss treating you like, rubbish.

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Yeah. 
That was very common. 

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The fact, the fact that it's 
already changing, that respect 

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is good. 
I think people struggle with 

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that, who are older, and I 
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narrow this down. 
Now, in general, I think we 

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focus far more on outcome. 
And profit and, you know how 

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useful you are to the economy. 
For example, in a macro level 

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way, outweighs anything to do 
with your well-being, for sure. 

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I think it's really interesting 
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just a personal experience. 
Perhaps people can let us know 

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if they've experienced this as 
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younger Generations that those 
people, you know, you just 

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talked about the all those 
people that is that show their 

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true colors of the whole stiff 
upper lip and all those 

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snowflakes can't say anything 
anymore, can't even get bullied 

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by your boss and get on It, you 
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talkin about, I feel like a nice
car sounds so old now. 

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But there's such a platform for 
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easy to get into the ears of 
children, through things like 

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Tick-Tock and Instagram rules, 
and that sort of stuff, because 

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it's just so easily accessible. 
And it's widely accepted that 

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that's just what you do. 
Like honestly despite the apps 

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being like, you know, usually 13
plus or whatever. 

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Their age limits are the, I have
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primary school children by the 
time they leave. 

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I was go are already using these
apps and scrolling through hours

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and hours and hours, and hours, 
and hours of content. 

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And almost definitely coming 
across videos of people who are 

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usually really confident 
ironically and demand a bit 

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more, like all. 
Yeah, listen to me and you know,

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who better to be drawn into 
listening to these these people 

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than young impressionable 
children who see all out this 

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authority authority because I 
drilled to think that's what 

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Authority is probably through. 
I don't maybe for the schooling 

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system just the way it works and
I'm just like I'm just worried 

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that I Youngest generation. 
It's going to like revert a 

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little bit in terms of their 
going to be a bit like that. 

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You know. 
They're gonna be. 

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Yeah. 
That's how you do it. 

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Yeah. 
You could be stiff upper lip. 

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Now we do. 
But I'm going to bully someone 

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else because they're weak 
because they're snowflakes. 

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I'm really genuinely concerned 
about that. 

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It's good, it's a widespread 
problem case in point, you know,

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in the recent months and Route 8
case in point of and Route 8 and

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the influence that he had on 
children as young as primary 

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school age because it's the 
classic problem of well, you 

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know, 80% of what he says is, 
all right, because he told me to

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work hard and get my head down 
and make money and that's and, 

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and how can you argue against 
that? 

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But then suddenly we slip in 
some absolute misogynistic bile.

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And and but that's all right. 
Because, you know, young Lads 

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with that, they need someone to 
get behind. 

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And you're absolutely right how 
impressionable this is. 

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Again we're going to go on a 
million side tangent here but 

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this is really interesting to me
because this is another reason 

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exactly what you just said. 
Hayden is another reason why I'm

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quite passionate about trying to
destroy the whole Because I Said

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So top down yeah but teaching 
and Control Authority that 

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because exactly because actually
if we spend eleven if we spend 

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the first six years that's a 
four year six charge seven years

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of their life saying to them. 
Older than you. 

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I'm the teacher, I'm the person 
in charge. 

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This is that's why if that's 
ever an explanation for doing 

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something, then it's going to 
breed the kind of problems that 

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we see of confident man on Tick.
Tock says climate change is not 

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true. 
Confident man. 

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On Tick-Tock says horrible 
conspiracy theory as I grew up 

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in econ to politics and, you 
know, go down, rabbit holes. 

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We have to also teach our 
children to listen at really 

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important points, and actually 
there are certain things where 

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you do just listen, because 
don't put your hand in fire 

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because I No. 
Don't you understand? 

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Explain it right now because 
you're doing it so it's just 

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stop doing that. 
But equally when I say to them 

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actually I need you to stay in 
to do your homework because you 

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didn't do it going back to our 
talk last week. 

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I if I can't explain to them why
we're doing that. 

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If the answer is just because I 
said so and it's what you do, I 

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think that long term as a 
detrimental effect. 

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Well we've mean you have talked 
about this a lot over the years 

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and I know it's a very like it's
something we're super super 

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conscious of and I maybe it's 
from our own experiences growing

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up. 
Of that frustration I remember. 

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And I know you do as well. 
It's asking the question. 

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Why a lot? 
I was that kid and you were that

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kid? 
Why? 

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Why do I have to do that? 
What you have is your parents or

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someone older tells you to do 
something and you don't 

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understand why. 
So you ask why? 

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And when the answer is, because 
I told you do, as you're told 

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like, that is an infuriating 
response, I don't respect that. 

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So as a teacher I will I hope I 
don't I hope I don't buy in my 

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head. 
I never demand respect from the 

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children. 
And never ever, ever demand 

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respect from the children. 
I always go out South and go out

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of my way to earn their respect 
because they are human beings. 

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Doesn't matter if they're 9 or 
10 or whatever I earn their 

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respect and like you said I try 
to show them that they all 

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thought my authority in that 
school is not because I'm the 

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biggest loudest person in the 
room. 

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It's because of my credentials 
of the profession I've built up 

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is because I know what I'm doing
and I'm there to support them in

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these ways like yeah. 
And I think there is a line. 

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I think you're absolutely right 
because we do Do you know, 

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demanding respect? 
Someone might interpret that in 

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a different way and we do have 
to demand a certain kind of 

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respect when we walk in, because
we're there in the first place, 

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right? 
And but it's because of 

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credentials. 
And I think you your idea of 

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it's not just because I'm loud. 
It's not just because I'm 

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confident or taller than you or 
older. 

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It's because I've got these X Y,
Zed credentials and what you 

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said about building 
relationships. 

449
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Number one, advice to Any 
teacher who's just starting out 

450
00:20:34,900 --> 00:20:39,600
ever is always for me, going to 
be that Make a bond with them, 

451
00:20:39,900 --> 00:20:43,100
find some common ground, make 
sure they like being in your 

452
00:20:43,100 --> 00:20:45,800
lesson like that should be one 
of your main goals. 

453
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,900
Not because you want to feel 
like or love and by the 

454
00:20:48,900 --> 00:20:51,900
children, but because you're 
going to be able to get more out

455
00:20:51,900 --> 00:20:54,800
of them, using your experience, 
your professionality, you know, 

456
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,000
you're going to get more out of 
each child. 

457
00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,500
I've got a very quick story on 
the idea of, you know, when 

458
00:21:01,500 --> 00:21:03,800
parents just tell you because 
and it's such a trivial one, but

459
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,600
it sums it up perfectly. 
The kind of child, I wasn't. 

460
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,800
Maybe that's why influences us. 
And like you said, Ed and I know

461
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,200
I'm listening to this podcast, I
sure remember this story I made 

462
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,200
a tub of Angel Delight. 
Okay. 

463
00:21:14,300 --> 00:21:18,400
So I made a big plastic tub of 
Angel Delight which all up and 

464
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,800
what I would do is it's quite a 
lot and I could probably eat in 

465
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,700
one sitting but I never normally
did when I was younger, my for a

466
00:21:22,708 --> 00:21:26,200
face which is loving Angels. 
Now and put it, you do now. 

467
00:21:27,500 --> 00:21:30,100
Yeah I mean it's in the fridge 
that so I made a big tub of 

468
00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:32,100
Angel Delight with a with a 
spoon. 

469
00:21:32,100 --> 00:21:33,400
I was eating it just out the 
tub. 

470
00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:36,300
Classic student Behavior. 
I was like probably seven to add

471
00:21:36,300 --> 00:21:37,500
a know. 
I was a I was a late. 

472
00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:41,100
And I'd eaten enough of what I 
wanted. 

473
00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:45,600
So I took the bowl with a spoon 
in and I put that in the fridge 

474
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,500
and the idea was I'm going to 
come back to that in half an 

475
00:21:48,500 --> 00:21:50,800
hour. 
I need some more of it and 

476
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,700
always remember my mom over the 
fridge and she's like tellin, 

477
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,300
why is the spoon in here? 
I was just like, what? 

478
00:21:56,300 --> 00:21:58,900
I just because I'm gonna want to
eat something now. 

479
00:21:58,900 --> 00:22:00,600
Put that wash the spoon and put 
it back. 

480
00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:05,900
I was just like why and she said
because you don't put spoons in 

481
00:22:05,908 --> 00:22:08,800
the fridge and for Allah Of 
people that might have been the 

482
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,200
end of the conversation liked 
it, you know? 

483
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,300
I understand it to her. 
It's like, yeah. 

484
00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:14,100
You don't put spoons in the 
fridge so put it out and my I 

485
00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:16,200
was that annoying kid. 
I was like, yeah, but why can't 

486
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,100
I put in the what's going to 
happen? 

487
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,100
This means I'm going to combust 
in the fridge is not going to 

488
00:22:19,108 --> 00:22:21,400
Krakow microwave. 
I want to use that spoon. 

489
00:22:21,500 --> 00:22:23,300
Yeah. 
But our use that spoon in 20 

490
00:22:23,300 --> 00:22:25,500
minutes. 
I agree again and it was just so

491
00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:29,000
funny seeing, you know, that the
person who's kind of say just do

492
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,600
this thing, kind of realized 
that other than just doing this 

493
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,900
thing, there isn't actually a 
reason for doing this thing. 

494
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,700
That's not there for good enough
reason to do it. 

495
00:22:37,900 --> 00:22:40,200
But I was 16 so I took this been
out. 

496
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,000
I'm sure and I put it I put it 
back in the cupboard. 

497
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,100
Got it back. 20 minutes later. 
That's just a classic example. 

498
00:22:44,100 --> 00:22:47,200
Yeah, when I edit this podcast 
I'm gonna go from me asking the 

499
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,200
question does breadth of British
culture, family well-being, and 

500
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,800
I'm going to cut straight to 
that spoon story and see ya. 

501
00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:56,200
That's where we got to. 
That's something that's really 

502
00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,200
good. 
But like bringing do we do bring

503
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,800
it back to that though that 
there are kind of original point

504
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,400
of the discussion? 
What we really want to talk 

505
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,500
about in this podcast is, is 
that is the curriculum? 

506
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,800
And so we talked about 
well-being 20 minutes and we 

507
00:23:10,808 --> 00:23:12,500
want to talk about the crew. 
Yeah it's linked. 

508
00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:16,300
It's linked you know because and
I will make the links ooh, nice 

509
00:23:16,300 --> 00:23:19,100
not to make it too quickly but 
we want to talk about the kind 

510
00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:22,700
of ever increasing expectations,
perhaps of the curriculum and 

511
00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:23,900
and it also just gives some of 
this. 

512
00:23:23,900 --> 00:23:25,800
We have a lot of listeners that 
aren't teachers aren't in the 

513
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,600
educational world. 
Thank you for listening, but the

514
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,200
way quick story on that, by the 
way, got a coming straight away.

515
00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:33,800
Because last week I think you 
used the word pedagogy 27 times 

516
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,500
and not once, did we tell our 
listeners what pedagogy was and 

517
00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:40,600
I had For I think five messages 
from five different people talk 

518
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:41,900
about the fact. 
They didn't know what put the 

519
00:23:41,908 --> 00:23:43,700
Gaggia meant. 
So having what's pedagogy 

520
00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:46,400
pedagogy is our God? 
How do you define that? 

521
00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:48,700
It's actually, it's actually a 
digimon. 

522
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,000
This is the evolution of 
pedagogy better Gadget, your 

523
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,400
pecans pedagogy guys, really 
hard to Define it. 

524
00:23:54,408 --> 00:23:59,500
It's like teaching Concepts. 
It's what it's it's different 

525
00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:01,000
ways of teaching. 
Yeah of course a point. 

526
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,300
Yeah different pedagogy seen. 
At the way you might teach in 

527
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,900
different styles. 
Different ways. 

528
00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:07,900
I did post a Google definition 
of It. 

529
00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:10,100
So if you didn't like that, 
really bad. 

530
00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:11,800
Definition of pedagogy go to 
Google. 

531
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,200
You made me realize how hard 
that is to explain. 

532
00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:19,400
Anyway, so a lot of people who 
are listening, might not know 

533
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,200
much about the curriculum. 
How it actually works at Primary

534
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,400
School's, you probably think of 
secondary school being the last 

535
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,300
place you were and in primary 
school. 

536
00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:29,600
We the expectation is as 
teachers that is that we teach 

537
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,100
everything we teach every 
subject. 

538
00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:34,100
Basically we have our core 
subjects which are math English 

539
00:24:34,100 --> 00:24:36,000
and science. 
But we do have all of the 

540
00:24:36,008 --> 00:24:38,400
foundation subjects which 
consists of Nothing else in 

541
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,200
geography history. 
There are more subjects in 

542
00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:43,400
secondary that, you know, might 
you might start studying but we 

543
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,500
do the basics so history, 
geography, R DT music for modern

544
00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:51,100
modern foreign languages, which 
sometimes, French? 

545
00:24:51,100 --> 00:24:53,900
Or Spanish, depends on the 
school, really what I missed. 

546
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,600
Probably miss won't be Computing
pee yet PE. 

547
00:24:57,100 --> 00:24:58,400
So we gotta teach older than 
basically. 

548
00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:01,800
If you're lucky, you might have 
a specialist teacher, that works

549
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,200
at your school and takes maybe 
one or two of those subjects 

550
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,800
away. 
But generally teachers, teach, A

551
00:25:07,808 --> 00:25:10,500
thing. 
Now one of the biggest kind of 

552
00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:14,400
discussion debates or issues, I 
guess in primary education is 

553
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,800
this kind of ever-rising 
expectation to teach all of this

554
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:22,100
stuff in a timetable that is 
restricted by time. 

555
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:27,100
Like there's only so much time 
in a week, those darn timetables

556
00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:32,100
restricted by time, goddamn it 
to teach these the only subjects

557
00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:35,700
and it's just a constant 
constant problem across the 

558
00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:37,500
country of. 
Okay, cool. 

559
00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:38,400
Thanks. 
This government. 

560
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,100
When do you want me to do this 
new thing that I now have to 

561
00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:42,800
teach geography. 
Like what? 

562
00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:45,100
So when you when you're talking 
about. 

563
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:49,200
So again we say new thing, we're
a bit context for everyone. 

564
00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:52,000
The curriculum does get updated.
You know, there was a time when 

565
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,300
we didn't have a national 
curriculum. 

566
00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:56,400
Yeah, but the curriculum was 
last updated in 2013. 

567
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,100
I believe it was a year or two 
before we started teaching. 

568
00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:00,700
So we've only ever known this 
curriculum. 

569
00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:04,500
And basically, we've got to 
follow this curriculum as a 

570
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:06,300
state funded school. 
So we've got to follow the 

571
00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:09,500
curriculum and like Hayden said,
the idea is we've got to fit 

572
00:26:09,500 --> 00:26:12,000
everything in now Hayden and I 
wanted to clarify now is okay. 

573
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,800
You want to want to kind of send
to this discussion about 

574
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,200
well-being and I suppose those 
two routes to go down there. 

575
00:26:18,500 --> 00:26:20,300
One route would be the 
well-being of the staff, 

576
00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:22,400
delivering, the curriculum. 
And the other route would be the

577
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,300
well-being of the children, who 
are receiving the curriculum? 

578
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,100
Sure. 
So, you know, where did you want

579
00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:29,600
to start? 
I think both would be 

580
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,500
interesting but maybe we. 
Maybe we start with the children

581
00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:34,900
for this one, I know it make 
more sense that the adults by 

582
00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:36,800
kind of want to just route it 
back to the kind of original 

583
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,000
point of this. 
Because when I was saying, do 

584
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,900
you think British culture values
well-being? 

585
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,400
What I was really getting at 
here was my actual like feeling 

586
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,300
about this, which is, I don't 
think the British government 

587
00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:53,400
value or even maybe understand 
they might pretend to Value, but

588
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,400
I don't think they do the 
well-being of children like our 

589
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,400
Learners. 
I just don't think they do value

590
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,400
that because I think their 
response to Any problem for 

591
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,800
example League tables, which is 
just a nightmare. 

592
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,500
We're always comparing ourselves
of ourselves and also other 

593
00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:10,200
countries and well you know, 
when we're not performing as 

594
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,100
well as another country, I think
our government's response to 

595
00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:16,200
that is cool well-being out the 
window, let's do more. 

596
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,100
Absolutely. 
Let's just do more, that's your 

597
00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:20,700
response. 
What's that you only doing eight

598
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:22,700
hours that it clearly we need to
do nine hours a day then, 

599
00:27:22,700 --> 00:27:25,900
because I'm not learning enough.
It's counterproductive. 

600
00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:27,400
It was the same narrative after 
covid. 

601
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,300
You know, obviously covid 
exposed huge old created, huge 

602
00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:34,900
gaps, rather in children's 
knowledge and you know the 

603
00:27:34,900 --> 00:27:38,300
curriculum is very intricately. 
Designed more for some subjects 

604
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:41,100
as well come on to and you know 
missing out certain gaps 

605
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:43,700
especially in maths and also in 
English and times you know 

606
00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:47,800
spending progression and Grammar
and Writing there was huge hits 

607
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,300
to them and we have to do 
something to fill those gaps, 

608
00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:54,100
but I always always thought 
straight off the bat that when 

609
00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:57,700
they said, Okay. 
Long booster sessions before or 

610
00:27:57,700 --> 00:28:01,100
after school and lengthening the
school day which was a thing 

611
00:28:01,100 --> 00:28:03,800
that came in. 
Yeah, I just thought that was. 

612
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,500
It's just so counterproductive 
because the people making these 

613
00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:10,600
decisions, I just feel half the 
time, don't have to teach a 

614
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,400
class after having taught them, 
Maths for an hour and 20 

615
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,800
minutes, taught them English for
an hour and 20 minutes. 

616
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,700
They've had a short break after 
eating their lunch and then had 

617
00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:21,300
to sit down and do a turn off 
our lesson in the afternoon. 

618
00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:24,500
I don't think these people 
absolutely agree with you. 

619
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,800
Hayden are thinking of the 
children's well-being because it

620
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,800
is a slog and children should 
work hard at school and children

621
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,700
should be pushed to achieve 
their best at school, but there 

622
00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:38,400
has to be a line. 
And I think that the curriculum 

623
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,100
although it's not always 
changing. 

624
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,100
I understand what you mean about
ever, increasing expectations. 

625
00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:46,000
And that comes down to ofsted 
there. 

626
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,800
Every single change ever that 
I've seen in schools, that have 

627
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,800
been massively driven, workload 
up and added stress and 

628
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,600
well-being. 
Has been by ofsted in our 

629
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,300
expectations and now actually, 
what we need to see is this 

630
00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:02,300
progression map on paper pleas 
of these skills, which is 

631
00:29:02,300 --> 00:29:04,400
important. 
Sure, but it's another thing 

632
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,300
you've got to do. 
And then also in geography, by 

633
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:07,600
the way, it's another thing 
you've got to do. 

634
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,100
And actually, by the way, in 
spin PE, we now need to have 

635
00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:12,100
more P. 
There's a huge drive to get two 

636
00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:14,300
hours a week in because not all 
schools doing two hours a week 

637
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,300
and you know, why not all 
schools have been 2 hours of PR 

638
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:19,000
week because they literally 
can't deliver the curriculum 

639
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,100
that you've set. 
And it's just this constant 

640
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:23,700
tug-of-war of the government 
trying to say the right thing in

641
00:29:23,708 --> 00:29:27,200
the Media to get the right 
attention in the mail to make 

642
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,400
the old people say I asked they 
do deserve the best. 

643
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,900
Are these teachers not giving 
our kids the best, and the kids 

644
00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:35,500
are at a detriment as well. 
You're absolutely right. 

645
00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:37,400
Not just yeah, but yeah, but 
Dylan, you're wrong because 

646
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,700
ofsted said res, very recently. 
They came out and said in their 

647
00:29:40,700 --> 00:29:45,000
own report on themselves that 
they wasn't negatively affecting

648
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,100
well-being of anyone. 
So we've been getting it wrong. 

649
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:50,800
Like we've teachers, if you're 
listening for you, you're gonna 

650
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,800
feel so silly right now because 
off steam cabinet. 

651
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,800
They just, they told us, they 
haven't been sorry, it's not 

652
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,700
them. 
They said I was crazy because I 

653
00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:02,700
do. 
I swear, I swear that I felt 

654
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:04,900
stressed and overworked. 
No, clearly, I have awesome told

655
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:05,900
us. 
It wasn't you. 

656
00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:07,700
Weren't you actually find the 
whole time. 

657
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,400
So offset. 
It came out and said no, no, no,

658
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,800
and they admitted that the only 
time that teachers might feel 

659
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,900
slightly stressed due to a died 
as a direct result of ofsted is 

660
00:30:16,900 --> 00:30:18,300
when they're actually in the 
school. 

661
00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:23,500
So guys, you know, yeah, stiffen
that upper lip and crack on with

662
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:25,700
it. 
Right, to be honest, I haven't 

663
00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:28,600
even I don't really hear the 
word offset or even think about 

664
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,800
it until they don't rock up. 
No, it definitely doesn't taste 

665
00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:35,400
anything that school does? 
Oh, wait a minute. 

666
00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:37,500
It affects literally okay. 
Yeah. 

667
00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:40,100
Okay, cool. 
It's like the only trickle down 

668
00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:41,700
version of anything that works 
in our country. 

669
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,600
It is trickle-down economics. 
We've got trickle-down work load

670
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,600
and stress. 
That one works, we've proved it 

671
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,700
work somehow. 
The problem is government works 

672
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:56,400
in Really weird way in our 
country because we get, you 

673
00:30:56,408 --> 00:30:59,800
know, we've had eight or nine 
education secretaries in like 

674
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,800
seven or eight years. 
There is no consistent thread 

675
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,600
and because the whole you know, 
the Civil Service are the people

676
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,700
who are constantly working and 
they're just employed, they work

677
00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:11,200
in the department for Education.
They'll work on this with 

678
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,900
ministers to deliver the 
government's Vision but the 

679
00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:17,200
ministers and their Department 
of Education Secretary. 

680
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:19,800
So the education secretary might
change frequently. 

681
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:23,000
The people actually implementing
these changes are just like a 

682
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,000
consistent group. 
Happy. 

683
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,200
I'd be really interested to find
out more about who these people 

684
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,000
are because they are at the will
of the government at the end 

685
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,400
because, you know, the 
government are voted in and they

686
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,200
want to say, okay, actually 
we're going to make this happen 

687
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,100
and then The Minister's make 
sorry, the work, the Civil 

688
00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:41,700
Service make that happen. 
But I don't know, I think, and 

689
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:43,900
I, maybe it's a really cynical 
view of politicians in general. 

690
00:31:43,908 --> 00:31:47,400
But I can't get over my 
overriding thought of. 

691
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,800
I think they say, and do exactly
what they think will look good 

692
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:53,900
way more than what they think 
is. 

693
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:57,100
Good. 
I think I think from that point 

694
00:31:57,100 --> 00:32:00,300
of view being able to release a 
press saying that they've learnt

695
00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:05,500
from the school day by half an 
hour or 45 minutes will not to 

696
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:08,700
lose the many votes and it will 
strengthen their base of people 

697
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:10,900
who think teachers are lazy 
anyway and should work more. 

698
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,000
And also people who are just 
like ya off. 

699
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,900
Ya 45. 
I've never worked in the school 

700
00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:18,300
my life but I absolutely think 
that an extra 45 minutes is 

701
00:32:18,308 --> 00:32:19,600
going to help the children do 
stuff. 

702
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,400
Yeah, I think I think that's 
what it is. 

703
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,700
It's hard because it because I 
can understand the logic there. 

704
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,100
Because in a lot of things in 
life, when you do more, you get 

705
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:27,800
more outcome. 
But it is, is like that. 

706
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,400
So all of us working people. 
So I imagine you imagine, you 

707
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,200
know, a carpenter, it's like yes
if you did put in an extra hour 

708
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,700
day, you would literally make 
more stuff that is how it works.

709
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:41,900
But if you know, I just, I 
strongly disagree with the idea 

710
00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:46,400
that more time at school, equals
more learning, I don't think it 

711
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,300
is anywhere near as simple as 
that. 

712
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:51,400
And I think that is hugely 
backed up by other other places 

713
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,700
around the world. 
Now, I'm no expert on this and I

714
00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:56,400
No, there are other factors like
a lot of people often compared 

715
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,800
with China. 
I don't know why. 

716
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,600
But that's just seems to be 
quite a common one to compare 

717
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,200
with and people often say well, 
you know, in China, they do this

718
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,800
and they do that. 
But you do have to take into 

719
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,600
account like The Wider culture, 
as well as people like that does

720
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,200
obvious impact hugely how 
children grow up, like it's not 

721
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,600
just school, but like, but there
are places that are a bit more 

722
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,000
close to home, I guess. 
Like, Finland is often quoted 

723
00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:21,300
Denmark the Netherlands that 
area, right? 

724
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,000
No tourist in famously have the 
Shortest kind of primary school 

725
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,200
days, I very short days, some 
places. 

726
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:34,300
I think it's Denmark have 
something like as reduced like 

727
00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:36,200
20 hours a week in some cases I 
do. 

728
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,800
I'm not sure that's like 
consistent for the country but 

729
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,800
I've heard like I've seen 
reports the things of that. 

730
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:40,700
And you think? 
Wow. 

731
00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:42,400
Okay. 
That's like wildly different. 

732
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:46,000
Finland will have some school 
days at like, 4 hours, 4 hours 

733
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,600
long. 
And that's just like standard or

734
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:48,800
they'll start school a bit 
later. 

735
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,200
But when it comes to league 
tables, they can they 

736
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,100
continuously outperform. 
Most of the Like they do really 

737
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:56,800
well. 
And again we have to consider 

738
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,100
the idea that okay maybe a lot 
of that has to do with culture 

739
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:01,200
as well. 
Perhaps sure culture outside of 

740
00:34:01,208 --> 00:34:04,200
the school also hugely impacts 
that but I do find it really 

741
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,900
interesting. 
I think I think you hit the nail

742
00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:11,300
on the head and if I'm going to 
bring it back to England, I 

743
00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:14,600
don't like being this - I 
actually don't. 

744
00:34:14,699 --> 00:34:17,900
I really hate moaning and 
complaining but I can't help but

745
00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:22,400
think that England has the 
perfect mix of absolute garbage 

746
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:23,900
when it comes to our children's 
well-being. 

747
00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:27,600
I know the perfect me there's a 
bit of banana skin in there. 

748
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,000
There's leftover dinner from 
yesterday and there's that 

749
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,100
bottom of the bin juice. 
That's just constantly lingering

750
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:37,600
just like my dream. 
Is absolutely rubbish. 

751
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,199
Let's just think about it for a 
minute again. 

752
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:43,800
We're not experts on this, but 
it's just so blindingly obvious.

753
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:46,900
Think about those countries, 
they don't go to school until 

754
00:34:46,900 --> 00:34:49,900
they're at 7:00, right? 
They start school at 7:00, 

755
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:54,300
that's the three for us, that's 
year three and these countries 

756
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:55,800
who are performing as well, if 
not better than eyes are 

757
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,400
starting school at 7:00. 
Here's the horrible, horrible 

758
00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:59,300
mess. 
We have some of the most 

759
00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:06,500
expensive child care in the 
world, children are From a state

760
00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:09,900
point of view, a burden, they 
are a burden. 

761
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:14,100
If you're thinking of having a 
child in this day and age, you 

762
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:16,900
have to really think about 
whether you can afford it or not

763
00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:20,200
even if you know both of you are
in full-time work. 

764
00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:23,600
If both partners are in 
full-time work, and it's still a

765
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,900
stress because we get situation 
in this country and it's usually

766
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:29,800
predominantly women who want to 
get back into the workforce, but

767
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,900
it doesn't make sense for them 
to do so, because it ends up 

768
00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:35,200
costing them nearly as much to 
put their child in daycare. 

769
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,200
R, as it does to actually go 
back to work. 

770
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,700
There's not this staying at 
home, as a parent, for numerous 

771
00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:46,100
reasons of wanting, to empower 
the female Workforce more often 

772
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:48,600
than not. 
And also the fact it's 

773
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,600
unaffordable is less and less 
attractive. 

774
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,400
Okay? 
It's less and less attracted to 

775
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,200
stay home and less able for 
people to do that as much as 

776
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,400
possible. 
Yeah, because we have terribly 

777
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,400
expensive. 
Childcare, we just don't have 

778
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,800
the infrastructure and when it 
Stu, I'm thinking of strike 

779
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:07,900
days. 
Again, there's another strike 

780
00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:09,900
tomorrow as we record this. 
So this week when you're 

781
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:13,300
listening that again the thing 
straight away is our childcare, 

782
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,700
our childcare. 
And you know, we need a culture 

783
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:19,200
change of whatever going to 
reach the levels of Finland. 

784
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,300
We're turning around now to the 
British population and saying, 

785
00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:24,800
okay, we're going to a 20-hour 
week for all school children 

786
00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:28,900
would be impossible. 
It would be completely 

787
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:31,200
impossible through what would 
happen to work, what would 

788
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,800
happen, you know to all those 
things that cost so much now, 

789
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,100
where would the children go? 
I just think as a culture we are

790
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:39,200
nowhere near being able to 
introduce anything like that. 

791
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:44,200
And I think the idea of longer 
days and wraparound care is all 

792
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,000
linked to getting people back to
work. 

793
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,000
And it's what we said at the 
start in terms of well-being in 

794
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,600
this country, you are a cog in 
the economic wheel and all the 

795
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,600
government care about is getting
you back into work. 

796
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,900
Getting you back into work and 
you work in as long as possible,

797
00:36:58,300 --> 00:37:01,400
get into get into these, you 
know, 4050 our weeks. 

798
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,800
It's fine because we'll Nanny 
your children for a bit from 

799
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,200
8:00 to 4:30 with this metal 
mask. 

800
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,400
Of them will be great. 
I just think well-being is 

801
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,300
completely shot and it's the 
lowest lowest thing on the Run 

802
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,000
lowest thing on the ladder. 
And there, you know, happy 

803
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,000
living index, there's this index
where it takes in everything and

804
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,000
it's basically a how happy your 
country is. 

805
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,700
These countries that you've just
explained, are always ranking 

806
00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:25,600
High Scandinavian countries 
because they put these things 

807
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,100
first. 
I'm not going to lie. 

808
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,900
I don't want to work 50 60, 70 
hours a week. 

809
00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:37,100
And it's another very British 
thing to be ashamed to say that 

810
00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:40,100
sometimes. 
And it's celebrated, ah, he 

811
00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:43,500
works 70 hours a week for his 
whole life, and he's got a, he 

812
00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:45,700
deserves a good retirement at 
74. 

813
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:49,400
And I saw articles, the other 
day of, you know, 87 year old 

814
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,700
woman, still working and shop 
and I'm like, cool. 

815
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:55,600
There are benefits to that, but 
the moment that someone who's 87

816
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,800
feels like they have to go to 
work to survive. 

817
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:03,800
Our country is broken. 
So if you're not a teacher and 

818
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,300
even if you are, it's good to 
reflect in this, I suppose, the 

819
00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:08,900
national curriculum is a 
document that we work from its 

820
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:11,500
200 pages long, the primary 
National curriculum. 

821
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:16,000
So going from years, 12 years, 
six Haydn Beethoven pop quiz for

822
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,300
you. 
Okay, let's see. 

823
00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:21,300
Just now that's a No-No. 
You don't have this one up. 

824
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:25,200
I hope I'm going to read to you 
just, just the listeners and for

825
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,100
you to refresh your memory from 
earlier every single subject. 

826
00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:29,700
So I think you've got them all 
earlier, but I'm not sure if you

827
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:31,800
missed one. 
So in a national curriculum, we 

828
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:37,500
have English maths science Art 
and Design Computing, DT 

829
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:42,300
geography, history languages 
music and PE. 

830
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,300
There are obviously other 
requirements in there that don't

831
00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:46,300
go into much detail. 
Like you know schools have to 

832
00:38:46,300 --> 00:38:50,100
teach re there's not necessarily
an exact set set of, you know, a

833
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:51,600
curriculum to follow. 
Basically each school. 

834
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,200
Can decide how they do that but 
they're there. 

835
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,600
The subjects they are the 
lessons. 

836
00:38:55,900 --> 00:38:58,700
Now it's a 200 Page document. 
Obviously, there are some, 

837
00:38:58,700 --> 00:39:02,100
there's some Preamble, there's 
some references Etc, right? 

838
00:39:02,700 --> 00:39:08,700
How many pages out of 200? 
Mmm, do you think is dedicated 

839
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,200
to English math and science? 
So the core subjects and 

840
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,700
obviously I know it's going to 
be weighted more towards them. 

841
00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:17,600
I know it is. 
So I'm gonna go for like a 

842
00:39:17,607 --> 00:39:21,600
percentage. 
I reckon I deny record honestly.

843
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,800
It's what it's gonna be crazy 
high even though it's only three

844
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,600
of like what 12 subjects is 
going to be like 40% of the of 

845
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,200
the documents. 
Oh My Sweet Summer child. 

846
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:34,800
What is it? 
Lower 175 Pages out of 200. 000 

847
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,500
is dedicated to English maths 
and size. 

848
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:39,300
It really that much. 
Yeah. 

849
00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:41,400
It just under 90 percent of the 
dockyard. 

850
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,400
I knew it, I knew it'd be a lot 
and science. 

851
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:44,700
Yep. 
Wow. 

852
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:50,200
So 175 pages, to the most 
granular of detail. 

853
00:39:50,300 --> 00:39:53,600
It's to the point where you 
could pick up year for maths. 

854
00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:57,100
Look at the bullet points of the
strands and probably plan Lesson

855
00:39:57,100 --> 00:40:00,000
by lesson your year, okay? 
That's how granular it is, for 

856
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,500
Maths for English. 
There's progression on all the 

857
00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:05,000
spelling rules or of the grammar
and punctuation terms. 

858
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,400
This glossaries, there's 
everything you need to do in 

859
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,600
terms of the strands. 
For reading, there's everything 

860
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,100
you need to incorporate into 
your writing and every single 

861
00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:14,200
year group so that's very, very 
particular as well. 

862
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,200
Yep, science as well. 
It tells you exactly what 

863
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,500
subjects to cover at what time 
in the curriculum, which is As 

864
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:22,700
much detail as we go into four 
other ones as we'll talk about 

865
00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:25,400
in a minute. 
So basically, you can dive into 

866
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,700
math English and Science and 
pretty much any school, you kind

867
00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:31,700
of know what you're going to get
in your for there's far. 

868
00:40:31,700 --> 00:40:33,800
Less room for wiggle room. 
Basically, you know, we all know

869
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,600
we're doing in those subjects. 
What I find, really fascinating?

870
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,800
As a flip side of that is, for 
example, the entire geography 

871
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,800
curriculum for primary school is
on three sides of a 4 and that's

872
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,300
just a primary school is a long 
time. 

873
00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:52,600
Let's just reiterate Like how 
much of a time span is as well? 

874
00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:54,800
Six years. 
Six years of your learning for 

875
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,600
geography, condense, the three 
pages, history for Pages 

876
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:05,000
languages, two pages music, two 
pages, pé de PE, by the way, the

877
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,400
huge drive to get children 
active and fit two pages, happy 

878
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,700
for for D and T, 2 for computing
to for Art and Design. 

879
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:16,900
Wow. 
And, you know, I understand and 

880
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:19,100
we know, don't we Hayden? 
We teach math every single day. 

881
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,800
We teach English Today we teach 
science more than we teach the 

882
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,100
other subjects. 
However, that is 

883
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:29,100
disproportionate and when we're 
thinking about the curriculum, 

884
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:33,300
we have to deliver, it's a huge 
workload to interpret that 

885
00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:37,400
curriculum for subject leaders, 
and the point I wanted to make 

886
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,700
Hayden and maybe you could 
elaborate on this and what you 

887
00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:44,300
think, I think straight away 
here in terms of History, has 

888
00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:48,000
some very specific skills that 
we need to teach our children 

889
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:50,100
that aren't necessarily 
transferable. 

890
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,200
You know, you know, interpreting
sources, primary sources, 

891
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,700
secondary reliability, thinking,
historically, exactly thinking 

892
00:41:56,700 --> 00:41:59,000
historically, as well. 
And those strands of, you know, 

893
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,600
power Invasion, Community, very 
specific to history topics. 

894
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:06,400
And then you dip into geography,
as well, which were supposed to 

895
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,000
deliver. 
And we're supposed to be going 

896
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,400
through all of the thinking 
geographically strands, which, 

897
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,800
you know, using reading Maps 
thinking about communities 

898
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,200
thinking about their 
interactions with the physical 

899
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,800
world and the man-made world and
it's very specific. 

900
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,700
Hi Awful stuff that we have to 
be able to master and deliverer 

901
00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:25,400
to our children. 
And I just, I just can't help 

902
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,500
but think just to compare two 
secondary. 

903
00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:29,900
I'm not suggesting, it's much 
easier because a secondary 

904
00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:33,100
teacher is a specialist in 
geography, has to know a huge 

905
00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:34,700
amount in each of the Year 
groups. 

906
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,800
So I understand from their point
of view, but I find it really 

907
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,000
tricky as a primary school 
teacher, to be able to know. 

908
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,900
So accurately, all of those very
specific strands and deliver 

909
00:42:44,900 --> 00:42:48,500
them all, when actually I've got
to teach, you know, 12 different

910
00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:51,900
subjects across the term. 
Well, it reminds me actually 

911
00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:54,200
here for last week's 
conversation, little bit where 

912
00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:57,300
we mentioned the idea of we were
talking about, like, when your 

913
00:42:57,300 --> 00:42:59,900
teacher training and are saying,
just hold back on the subject 

914
00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:01,700
knowledge, just focus on 
learning how to teach. 

915
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,400
And I made that point, I've 
like, you're going to teach 200 

916
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,600
different subjects and we kind 
of joked about it, but it is 

917
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,900
true. 
We are, you are going to teach 

918
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:13,200
like 200 different units within 
the 12 subjects across, you 

919
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,100
know, across a few years and I 
agree with you. 

920
00:43:16,107 --> 00:43:19,200
In terms of is a little bit mad,
really isn't it? 

921
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:21,500
I don't know if there is an 
expectation. 

922
00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:24,700
But to have any expectation that
Primary School teachers, you 

923
00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:27,200
know, are masters of all of 
these subjects and have that 

924
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,300
really deep specific knowledge 
of everything because it's a 

925
00:43:29,308 --> 00:43:31,700
very hard thing to do. 
And like you said, Secondary 

926
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:34,400
School teachers, although they 
have a much wider cut, you know,

927
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,700
subject knowledge base to, to 
know, off the back of that hand 

928
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:39,600
because they are a specialist in
that subject. 

929
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,700
At least it's one subject that 
you can really just dig dive 

930
00:43:43,700 --> 00:43:47,300
deep into it, you know, I mean, 
Yeah, I suppose my wider point 

931
00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:51,200
was there's almost too, too kind
of pulls of knowledge as a 

932
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,900
teacher right there. 
Is that actual knowledge of, for

933
00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:58,200
example, how long is the Nile 
and how did communities, you 

934
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,800
know, live around them and why 
was it useful and why did it 

935
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,800
encourage, you know, migration 
or whatever it is that specific 

936
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,900
you know, fact knowledge factual
knowledge still I think it's 

937
00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:11,300
acceptable to be like, okay well
you know you have to just learn 

938
00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:15,100
that the time but very 
specifically just the strands of

939
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,300
of Kills, that's specific to 
geography, specific to history, 

940
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,100
specific to Art, and Design 
specific to DT, specific to 

941
00:44:22,107 --> 00:44:25,900
music, specific to PA that those
strands, that go through the 

942
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:29,200
whole kind of Journey Through 
year, 3 year, 4 year, 5 through 

943
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,100
different teachers, that's kind 
of missing in terms of that 

944
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:36,200
Mastery because in a secondary 
school of you, teach geography 

945
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,800
to your seven, eight nine ten. 
You could see the kind of 

946
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,600
progression there of in history,
how we teach communities, and 

947
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,900
how it how it gets more 
complicated and and it goes It 

948
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:49,000
moves through we've kind of got 
to try and pick that up. 

949
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,500
I was like if I'm a year for 
Teacher I've got to think about 

950
00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:53,900
how actually they were talking 
unities with a different teacher

951
00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:56,500
last year, how they might be 
taught in next year and make 

952
00:44:56,500 --> 00:44:58,000
sure the pitch is absolutely 
right here. 

953
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,700
And it's and and that's where 
the kind of organization of the 

954
00:45:00,700 --> 00:45:02,200
subject leads. 
We're very lucky in our school. 

955
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,000
We have a mazing subject leaders
who put so much time into these 

956
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,100
amazing documents where we can 
kind of click on and find out as

957
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:10,400
we're planning. 
But in terms of just retaining 

958
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,500
it in our head and being able to
naturally do that and in a way 

959
00:45:13,508 --> 00:45:15,600
that we can for maths let's say 
or for English. 

960
00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:18,100
Shhhh shhhh those core subjects 
where it's so meticulously laid 

961
00:45:18,100 --> 00:45:20,900
out. 
I think that idea of giving a 

962
00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:23,900
school, two pages for history, 
curriculum and expecting this 

963
00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:28,500
beautifully designed like, you 
know, well, coherent thing that 

964
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:31,300
works like clockwork. 
There's a huge gap, there and 

965
00:45:31,300 --> 00:45:33,100
workload that is just expect 
that happened. 

966
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:35,500
And the idea that Asik ofsted 
might scrutinize you on the 

967
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:37,800
effectiveness of this, of what 
you do and it's like I got a 

968
00:45:37,808 --> 00:45:38,500
minute. 
Sorry. 

969
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,500
Have you seen the document that 
you gave me? 

970
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:43,200
The government, have you, have 
you seen the document that I was

971
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,000
actually given? 
I think I've done a pretty good 

972
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,900
job considering The two pages 
that they gave me, this is what 

973
00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:51,000
I've created from it, like it, 
give it, give it, give me a 

974
00:45:51,008 --> 00:45:53,300
break, you know, I mean, but in 
terms of the specialist 

975
00:45:53,300 --> 00:45:55,000
knowledge, are you mentioned, 
English and maths? 

976
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,600
And I do think, like, if I was 
to describe a primary school 

977
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:58,900
teacher, what's their specialist
knowledge? 

978
00:45:58,900 --> 00:46:00,900
A lot of people, I think would 
say, oh, nothing, you know, we 

979
00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:02,600
teach me everything I love you. 
That's true. 

980
00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:06,900
I think we are really 
specialized in teaching early 

981
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:10,300
math and English Core math score
English, the foundations that is

982
00:46:10,300 --> 00:46:13,100
our special specialism, you 
know, I think that's what we do 

983
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:16,200
but but when it comes to the 
other subjects it just Can't be.

984
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:18,600
You might have an invested 
interest in one or two other 

985
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,100
subjects, right? 
And that's just, that's a, 

986
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:22,100
that's a bonus. 
That's if we can get that we, 

987
00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:24,200
you know, we love those teachers
because if we can get a teacher 

988
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,100
in, that is like, super 
passionate about history. 

989
00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:29,600
It's like brilliant, because 
we're going to go, we're going 

990
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,600
to draw on that knowledge and 
that passion. 

991
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:35,700
But generally speaking, no, we 
can't be masters of all of these

992
00:46:35,700 --> 00:46:38,200
things. 
So, we need a well designed 

993
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,700
curriculum. 
Thanks government for not giving

994
00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:43,600
us that, it's just what it is, 
which is why schools will often 

995
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,500
buy into schemes and things and 
stuff. 

996
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:48,200
Changes a lot over the years 
because it is just isn't doing 

997
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,900
what you said. 
Maybe a scheme doesn't provide 

998
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:54,800
that can really good coherence 
through the year groups because 

999
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,700
it's not going to be the same 
person teaching it unlike in 

1000
00:46:57,700 --> 00:46:59,700
secondary school. 
You know. 

1001
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,100
I don't know what the year 
threes are doing in something of

1002
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:04,200
I'm in year six. 
I can't kind of tweaked my 

1003
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,700
teaching on both of those year 
groups to so it flows better. 

1004
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:08,600
There has to be a coherence 
through the scheme that your 

1005
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,700
schools using the teachers can 
just pick up. 

1006
00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:13,800
And and that's where the work of
subject leaders is just so 

1007
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,400
invaluable but it but it is That
it's hours and hours and hours, 

1008
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,500
and hours of work. 
And I just feel like sometimes 

1009
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:24,500
they're, you know, they've done 
it for maths. 

1010
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,700
They've, you know, math is like,
you know, about 60 pages of that

1011
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:29,200
document. 
Mmm. 

1012
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,700
I just feel like we could get a 
bit more detail and it would 

1013
00:47:31,700 --> 00:47:34,000
just help us out so much in 
terms of well-being, a question 

1014
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,900
for you. 
Why do you think given the fact 

1015
00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:38,600
that the curriculum is actually 
so short for the foundation 

1016
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,600
subjects? 
Generally, why do you think we 

1017
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,400
do struggle as you know, as a 
profession? 

1018
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,900
So often and he's always He 
seems to have been a problem 

1019
00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:49,700
like the last 10 years. 
Anyway, we're always harping on 

1020
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:51,500
about how much we struggle to 
fit everything in. 

1021
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,700
Why do we struggle to fit 
everything in? 

1022
00:47:53,900 --> 00:48:00,000
Why do you think that is? 
I think although it's two pages 

1023
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,400
in the curriculum it kind of 
leaves. 

1024
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,500
So much stuff, open to 
interpretation. 

1025
00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:08,100
And I think what you've got to 
match the curriculum up with is 

1026
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:10,800
various ofsted Frameworks and 
ofsted it, you know, 

1027
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,900
expectations and I just I can't,
I'm break that link. 

1028
00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:18,500
I can't um, break that link of 
having worked as a primary 

1029
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:22,300
school teacher for many years 
and spoken to many teachers in 

1030
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:25,500
lots of different schools. 
This isn't just a personal kind,

1031
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,500
Of reflection, it's just an 
effect as a teacher being a 

1032
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:32,900
forum seeing lots of people, the
pressure to deliver, all of 

1033
00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:36,500
these things comes from the 
pressure of what ofsted will 

1034
00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:40,000
expect to see when they come in,
because there's plenty of 

1035
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,400
things, I think in the afternoon
curriculum where you could 

1036
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,300
probably draw a line much 
earlier but it won't be accepted

1037
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:50,300
and schools fear that it won't 
be accepted if ofsted came in 

1038
00:48:50,300 --> 00:48:51,800
and said, right? 
We're going to Deep dive into 

1039
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,700
geography, I think a lot of 
schools will be very scared and 

1040
00:48:54,700 --> 00:48:59,600
I think 90% Of what happens half
the time is kind of cover for an

1041
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,600
offset come in. 
As if to say look okay, we 

1042
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,300
understand what we just said. 
We can't have 16 geography 

1043
00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:07,100
Specialists. 
That's impossible. 

1044
00:49:07,300 --> 00:49:12,300
So we have gone out of our way 
to create 6789 documents so that

1045
00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:15,100
our teachers can click in and 
see exactly what they did in 

1046
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:16,900
last year. 
In this exact topic that kind of

1047
00:49:16,900 --> 00:49:18,000
goes through the whole year 
group. 

1048
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,000
I think that the problem is 
well, being it's just cool, that

1049
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,000
2-page Document Plus ofsted 
framework has just created This 

1050
00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:29,100
horrible cycle of just and I 
think the other problem is 

1051
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,500
despite it not being you know 
very very granular. 

1052
00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:35,000
It is very clear. 
What you have to do still is 

1053
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,500
like in for example, in history 
you have to do, you know, a 

1054
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:41,900
British base module and a rest 
of the world base module and you

1055
00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:45,300
have to go into detail, about 
you know, how invasions happen, 

1056
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:48,600
how power struggles happened. 
It does manage to fit a lot into

1057
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,900
that, but it doesn't necessarily
tell you how to do it and that's

1058
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:54,400
where the work that comes in. 
I've Got a Theory, right? 

1059
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,000
And it might be a little bit. 
Specialist in the is just my 

1060
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,200
opinion. 
Okay, so I want to share with 

1061
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,200
you. 
I reckon I could fix it. 

1062
00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:04,300
All right guys, I'm sorry. 
Pop up the phone guy. 

1063
00:50:04,300 --> 00:50:06,400
Hey, hang on, not in this case 
only one second. 

1064
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:11,600
Oh yeah, I might no, no listen. 
Listen, strikes well-being 

1065
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,700
workload mate. 
Hold the phone line. 

1066
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:15,300
Okay. 
Tim Stevens, teach the repeat 

1067
00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:16,700
make. 
This is the this episode. 

1068
00:50:16,900 --> 00:50:17,700
Here we go. 
Ready. 

1069
00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:19,700
I was gonna play now. 
Put your loudspeaker make one 

1070
00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:22,900
second and Irish you mate. 
Listen, I've got a solution. 

1071
00:50:23,100 --> 00:50:25,800
No in all seriousness, right? 
This is just in time, Just going

1072
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,800
off on here, but just just hear 
me out, don't you know? 

1073
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,900
Laughing a little straight way, 
but if I could go to alternate 

1074
00:50:29,900 --> 00:50:31,400
universe, this thing is this 
can't happen. 

1075
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,500
What about to say? 
Just won't ever happen, right? 

1076
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,700
So I can say hello, because no 
one's ever gonna be able to do 

1077
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:38,600
it. 
We can't prove me wrong, but I 

1078
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,200
think I really do think. 
Maybe we do struggle to fit it 

1079
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,500
all in. 
And I think I've huge problem of

1080
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:47,600
that is the fact that we, that 
we have to do, and I say have to

1081
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,800
do in inverted commas, we have 
to do so much English and maths 

1082
00:50:51,900 --> 00:50:54,100
like that. 
Take, it takes up so much of our

1083
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:57,500
daily time. 
And I do think that that comes 

1084
00:50:57,500 --> 00:51:00,300
from a few different Avenues of 
pressure. 

1085
00:51:00,500 --> 00:51:03,800
For example, the fact that we 
are just a judged against it, on

1086
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,800
the teacher level and on a 
school level, we just are judged

1087
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,900
on our Master, English results. 
So, of course, they're going to 

1088
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:11,800
get an unfair proportion of 
like, how much we do have them, 

1089
00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:15,200
but I truly think if we take the
holistic view of children, 

1090
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,100
right? 
And we think about you Finland, 

1091
00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:18,900
the Scandinavian countries, and 
all the stuff we were talking 

1092
00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:22,200
about earlier, and how that, 
maybe we should value well-being

1093
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:23,500
more, because we just don't seem
to do it. 

1094
00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:25,900
And we don't seem to link 
well-being, to You actually 

1095
00:51:25,900 --> 00:51:28,300
learn more if you if you are 
happy right? 

1096
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:32,800
I would, if I was in charge, I 
would massively reduce how much 

1097
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,800
math English. 
We teach, I reckon, we could 

1098
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,800
still hit the same, the same 
targets ironically of maths and 

1099
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:40,900
English. 
I reckon sure you can still 

1100
00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:43,800
learn the same amount with 
considerably less lessons on it.

1101
00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:48,000
And that one phenomenon I've 
experienced in my career with 

1102
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,000
children is quite often. 
When I'll teach something, maybe

1103
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,100
near the end of a term and after
half term that we really solid 

1104
00:51:55,100 --> 00:51:57,900
in that, Where they've had a bit
of consolidation time where 

1105
00:51:57,900 --> 00:52:01,100
their brains just had an actual 
moment to just like let it 

1106
00:52:01,100 --> 00:52:04,600
almost like let that sink in you
know that classic phrase and I 

1107
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,000
really I would love to test it. 
I wish I could just go and be 

1108
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,500
that in charge of my own made-up
universe and do this and I would

1109
00:52:11,500 --> 00:52:13,400
I be like cool, right? 
Let's massively reduce the 

1110
00:52:13,408 --> 00:52:15,300
amount of mass in the issue that
shortened the day a little bit. 

1111
00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:18,000
Let's introduce way more fun 
stuff. 

1112
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,700
That is topic-based. 
Centered around the other 

1113
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:24,400
subject still geography, history
and all that but way more of the

1114
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,400
day are these cool. 
All fun projects. 

1115
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,400
I feel like school for that. 
But for me was a bit more like 

1116
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,300
that to be honest with you I 
think it's changed a lot since I

1117
00:52:30,308 --> 00:52:32,900
was at school a little bit less 
maybe you'd have to do maths and

1118
00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:36,500
English every single day for 
like an hour and a half each and

1119
00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:40,000
I think I don't think you'd see 
a massive decrease in 

1120
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,200
performance in math and English 
and I think you'd see a huge 

1121
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,300
increase in children enjoying 
learning enjoying school and 

1122
00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:48,000
just their well-being will be 
better. 

1123
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,600
That's my theory. 
It's interesting. 

1124
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,100
It's interesting, that's wasting
our time on a pipe dream. 

1125
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,100
Like I said that you were 
drinking in the hope some you 

1126
00:53:00,100 --> 00:53:04,300
must figure out what. 
Yeah, now I've not going to add 

1127
00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:05,400
to that. 
I'm not going to go into it. 

1128
00:53:05,500 --> 00:53:06,700
I think it's a really 
interesting. 

1129
00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:13,600
I do think you're onto 
something, I just look at the 

1130
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,300
curriculum. 
Then he had to that to kind of 

1131
00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:20,400
back you up a bit is how the 
curriculum since I was at school

1132
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,500
and I'm That old ladies and 
gentlemen, has massively dipped 

1133
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:26,100
down. 
And what I mean by dip down is 

1134
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,900
there's genuinely things that I 
did in year 7 and 8 that we now 

1135
00:53:28,900 --> 00:53:30,800
do in year 4, 5 & 6. 
Yeah. 

1136
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,900
But that is just a fact that the
level we aspire to reach to 

1137
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,800
because governments feel like 
they have to be doing something 

1138
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,200
to show that we're making 
progress, we have to reach this 

1139
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,100
by. 
Then genuinely the stuff in 

1140
00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:45,300
primary school, that I never did
until secondary school, and it's

1141
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:47,100
just not necessary. 
I'm here. 

1142
00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:50,700
Hello, nothing changed. 
Because I didn't do congruent. 

1143
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,800
Goals quicker. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1144
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,600
I think you're my biggest gripe 
and I reckon so many teachers 

1145
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:57,400
that are listening to this right
now. 

1146
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,700
I'm going to be like yes because
I just I think this is gonna 

1147
00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:04,500
nail on the head right. 
Writing attainment, I think 

1148
00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:08,000
being a year, six teacher and it
would don't have any SEC just 

1149
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,800
work in a primary school, right?
The level in which the bar has 

1150
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,400
become to reach like greater 
depth, which anyone listening is

1151
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,800
kind of like above average is 
like the highest grade you can 

1152
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,700
get in writing by the end of 
year. 

1153
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:25,500
Six, I am not joking. 
When I say this you have to be a

1154
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:27,800
perfect writer. 
Yeah. 

1155
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,100
Like you could, you have to be 
at the level in which you could 

1156
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:32,700
literature book, and it would 
come across as an adult. 

1157
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:35,600
No one would even know you. 
I'm not joking, I'm not 

1158
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,200
exaggerating. 
I'm not exaggerating that people

1159
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,900
that don't. 
I want to add something to that 

1160
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,300
as to professionals here, you 
would agree with me, okay? 

1161
00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:46,100
The great, the greater depth 
barrier for what we're judging 

1162
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:53,900
10 year olds on Is higher truly 
then ever, I reached until I 

1163
00:54:53,908 --> 00:54:57,400
became a teacher and saw what 
you needed to do to get there. 

1164
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,000
I would never have produced 
writing that, that included 

1165
00:55:01,100 --> 00:55:03,400
everything that has to be 
included to be greater depth 

1166
00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:05,600
naturally. 
I never ever would have done 

1167
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,800
that unless I had the list in 
front of me and even then I 

1168
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,100
would, I would struggle to get 
everything incoherently to make 

1169
00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:14,900
it, make sure it makes sense. 
Once I became really confident 

1170
00:55:14,900 --> 00:55:17,300
with the kind of Greater depth 
standard of teaching, you're 

1171
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:20,200
sick, X. 
I did actually go back and look 

1172
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,600
at some of my old essays and 
things that I wrote a university

1173
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:27,000
before I started teacher 
training and I thought because 

1174
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,900
my theory was these aren't going
to be as good. 

1175
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,500
These the essays I wrote at 
University level are not going 

1176
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:34,800
to be as good as honestly, the 
expectation that we have for 

1177
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,100
these children. 
So that for me and it's true by 

1178
00:55:37,107 --> 00:55:39,300
the way, they weren't a good. 
I mean you know maybe it's just 

1179
00:55:39,300 --> 00:55:41,900
me but I did but I got through 
University just fine and it just

1180
00:55:41,900 --> 00:55:43,900
think Christ. 
And then I went back and for a 

1181
00:55:43,908 --> 00:55:45,700
bit of fun. 
With the kids, I found my your 

1182
00:55:45,700 --> 00:55:47,500
seven books, I still got them 
all in the loft. 

1183
00:55:47,900 --> 00:55:51,500
I found my year 7 because I went
to grammar school and I had my 

1184
00:55:51,500 --> 00:55:54,000
English books out. 
And I looked at them with the 

1185
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,300
children and I was like, I 
could, I was almost a bit 

1186
00:55:56,300 --> 00:55:58,100
embarrassed, really? 
But I just wanted to show you 

1187
00:55:58,107 --> 00:55:59,100
because they were feeling a bit 
down. 

1188
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:00,700
At this time, they were like, 
really hard on themselves and I 

1189
00:56:00,700 --> 00:56:03,000
was like, you, I doing so 
amazing. 

1190
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,800
It's not your fault that the bar
is like, unacceptably high. 

1191
00:56:07,300 --> 00:56:10,500
You're doing so well, just look 
at what I did in year 7, and 

1192
00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:12,600
it's right was rubbish. 
At my punctuation was all over 

1193
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,700
the place. 
I did, I honestly didn't know 

1194
00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:16,300
what I was doing. 
I did not write particularly 

1195
00:56:16,300 --> 00:56:19,500
well but it wasn't as valued. 
Then what I was good at was just

1196
00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:22,300
being creative. 
I had really nice creative 

1197
00:56:22,300 --> 00:56:24,400
sentences, they weren't 
punctuated very well and they 

1198
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,200
didn't always make perfect 
sense. 

1199
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,100
But yeah, well, that's what I 
always heard. 

1200
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:32,200
You know, you've had it as well.
That curriculum did move towards

1201
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,300
more of a, you know, 
old-fashioned include this 

1202
00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:37,800
punctuation. 
That bind us were type. 

1203
00:56:37,900 --> 00:56:40,200
We need to know what knocks 
other auxiliary verb is guys 

1204
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:41,500
because that's more important 
than this. 

1205
00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:44,400
Massively interesting piece of 
writing you're doing, I need to 

1206
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,000
do a check box of this this 
this, and this to tick you off 

1207
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:48,800
it. 
Yeah. 

1208
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,300
You know, it's just it's what it
is. 

1209
00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:57,000
It's this is the problem when 
politics and education are so 

1210
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,600
entwined. 
You know it's always going to be

1211
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,800
the case that we're going to be 
at the whim of the government's 

1212
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,000
fancy at the time to prove a 
point that may be nothing to do 

1213
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,000
with education. 
It's just a point of, you know. 

1214
00:57:07,100 --> 00:57:10,200
Yeah, one thing that always 
stick to Me, Maybe we can finish

1215
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:11,700
up very soon. 
We've got a couple of stories 

1216
00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:12,800
this week and then we'll finish 
up. 

1217
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,000
Maybe, but one thing that always
sticks, me is in the new 

1218
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,700
curriculum when I was at 
University, so they The 

1219
00:57:17,700 --> 00:57:19,800
curriculum was brand-new pretty 
much because I went to 

1220
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,400
University in 2014 or 15 for 
teaching. 

1221
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,600
And so, the curriculum is one or
two years old. 

1222
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:26,600
They always were saying, the new
curriculum, the new curriculum 

1223
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,100
which to us was just the 
curriculum. 

1224
00:57:28,500 --> 00:57:30,800
And one of the lecturers made 
this point. 

1225
00:57:31,300 --> 00:57:33,600
He was talking about how we're 
trying to encourage children to 

1226
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,900
be active, and to be fit and to 
move more, so big Drive. 

1227
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:40,900
Okay, showed how old school. 
This was, we go obviously the 

1228
00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:43,700
education sector at the time. 
Who, you know, this curriculum 

1229
00:57:43,700 --> 00:57:47,500
was his baby, very Victorian, 
very old-fashioned. 

1230
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,200
And and it was summed up by 
this. 

1231
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,000
It was given as an example in 
one of the documents at the 

1232
00:57:53,008 --> 00:57:56,200
time, of a way to discipline a 
child for doing something wrong 

1233
00:57:56,900 --> 00:57:59,000
was to send them to do laps of 
the field. 

1234
00:57:59,900 --> 00:58:04,100
In 2013 that was published as a 
punishment. 

1235
00:58:04,100 --> 00:58:06,500
And the idea was, what are you 
doing? 

1236
00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:10,700
Making exercise running a 
punishment, like what is that 

1237
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:12,100
saying again? 
From the T know, whatever time 

1238
00:58:12,100 --> 00:58:14,100
for our, you know, they love 
what his thought. 

1239
00:58:14,100 --> 00:58:16,800
I did get some movie. 
No, did it? 

1240
00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:19,200
It takes two boxes, two birds 
with one stone. 

1241
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,400
I don't it. 
Yeah, I don't even think it was 

1242
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:22,200
that. 
I don't even. 

1243
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:23,500
Give them that much credit. 
I think they went. 

1244
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,100
Well, I did it when I was at 
eated, we turned out. 

1245
00:58:26,100 --> 00:58:28,100
All right. 
Did we know you didn't make it. 

1246
00:58:28,100 --> 00:58:30,500
So do one. 
His eye, when he said, I've 

1247
00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:32,000
talked to my granddad or 
something like that, and it will

1248
00:58:32,008 --> 00:58:34,400
say things like, oh, yeah, it 
was telling the same story every

1249
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,100
time. 
You know, I remember getting me 

1250
00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:40,700
Knuckles rapped by a cane or I 
do you see a board rubber like 

1251
00:58:40,700 --> 00:58:43,700
flying across the room? 
It hit you in the head but they 

1252
00:58:43,707 --> 00:58:45,500
don't, but my granddaughter. 
She doesn't look back at that 

1253
00:58:45,500 --> 00:58:47,900
fondly. 
He looks back at that as I thank

1254
00:58:47,900 --> 00:58:49,500
God it changed because that was 
Dreadful. 

1255
00:58:49,500 --> 00:58:52,600
Yeah, it made me hate being at 
school so I was actually quite 

1256
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,600
relieved to hear that did it. 
Yeah. 

1257
00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:59,100
Oh, what being hit on the head? 
70 years later, they also do all

1258
00:58:59,100 --> 00:59:00,000
bitter. 
That? 

1259
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,500
Yeah, it was a terrible 
experience, wasn't it? 

1260
00:59:01,500 --> 00:59:02,900
It's like you're literally cause
it's wrong. 

1261
00:59:02,900 --> 00:59:05,300
I like this ridiculous. 
Of course, we need to move away 

1262
00:59:05,300 --> 00:59:09,900
from Google goes old school. 
Victorian methods of teaching, 

1263
00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:12,300
what a ridiculous time, anyway, 
Hayden, I've got a couple of 

1264
00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:15,200
story, so we'll play the jingle 
and we'll wrap it up and there's

1265
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:16,500
some good ones, there's some 
good ones. 

1266
00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:24,500
So, guys, stick around past the 
jingle, Wow guys, you made it 

1267
00:59:24,500 --> 00:59:27,600
your back again, after through 
all the ads, the three seconds 

1268
00:59:27,700 --> 00:59:29,200
every second. 
What's going on? 

1269
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:30,800
Dylan what was your stories may?
Come on. 

1270
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,600
I wanna hear some good stuff. 
So I loved it this week, I 

1271
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,200
absolutely love that this week 
last week, we talked about 

1272
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,500
teacher training and again, 
every now and then. 

1273
00:59:38,500 --> 00:59:40,700
I asked her story. 
Some people send us some I 

1274
00:59:40,700 --> 00:59:42,600
didn't even ask for any of this 
week and we got one of our 

1275
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,800
listeners who messaged us. 
How does it go again? 

1276
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:51,600
Oh Instagram, which is teach 
sleep. 

1277
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,200
Repeat podcast, find us there 
and send us messages. 

1278
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,600
We love it but this listener got
in touch and it was leaked to 

1279
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,000
teach training because she is 
training to become a teacher. 

1280
01:00:01,300 --> 01:00:02,400
So I'm going to read this to 
you. 

1281
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,600
Hey, Adam, I just I love these 
stories. 

1282
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,200
I also love it when people send 
a stories and have written it in

1283
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,000
a way that we read it because I 
can just sit here on my phone 

1284
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,800
and tell you. 
So I've read this, you haven't, 

1285
01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:13,900
I just loved it. 
So I'm going to start from the 

1286
01:00:13,900 --> 01:00:15,900
top. 
Hey guys, I'm a regular 

1287
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:18,200
listening to your podcast and 
I'm a teacher in training doing 

1288
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,100
a three-year-long degree. 
I absolutely love your podcast 

1289
01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:24,100
and it says the reality are both
positive and negative of 

1290
01:00:24,100 --> 01:00:27,000
teaching that they don't prepare
you for in universities. 

1291
01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:29,200
I know that these stories are 
probably a bit too late for the 

1292
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,500
teacher training episode, but I 
wanted you to have them. 

1293
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,400
Anyway, I didn't have to read 
that but it's really lovely. 

1294
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,500
So I wanted to let everyone know
especially said it was really 

1295
01:00:36,500 --> 01:00:38,900
nice to read so thank you 
anyway. 

1296
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,800
The first one, some background 
information so it's public 

1297
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,100
knowledge that my favorite 
animals are cows. 

1298
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,900
I I have a cow print, Apple 
watch strap and often wear cow, 

1299
01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:51,200
print clothing, as a teacher as 
a training teacher. 

1300
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,400
I like to ask her children 
random questions to get to know 

1301
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:54,700
them. 
I used to love that part, you 

1302
01:00:54,700 --> 01:00:57,300
know, when you first went into 
school and you start building 

1303
01:00:57,300 --> 01:00:59,700
relationships with the first 
time, the class is so good. 

1304
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,100
Anyway, she likes to end them 
last time random questions to 

1305
01:01:02,107 --> 01:01:03,600
get to know, like, what's your 
favorite color? 

1306
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,200
Animal's food. 
So she's in a history class and 

1307
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:12,000
there was one child who they 
were just a bit aware of would 

1308
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,100
be shouting, would kind of have 
no filter. 

1309
01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:17,700
Yes, Was aware of this child, 
very lovely kid, but just kind 

1310
01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:21,000
of wasn't able to keep thoughts 
in their head sometimes which is

1311
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,000
also always a recipe for a good 
story. 

1312
01:01:23,900 --> 01:01:26,600
It was also well known. 
That, his favorite animals are 

1313
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,800
pigs. 
So everything he has is pig 

1314
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,300
related. 
So he it's a good combo here. 

1315
01:01:31,300 --> 01:01:33,700
The teacher has a favorite 
animal of cow and he has a pig. 

1316
01:01:34,100 --> 01:01:38,000
Anyway, now I call the children 
chickens, I refer to the whole 

1317
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,800
class as my flock. 
I love that, I love that. 

1318
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,200
Yeah, I pet names from like 
icicle and chicken nuggets for a

1319
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:48,000
bit. 
And now just like Yeah, they 

1320
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,800
were just like obsessive it. 
So she calls her two children 

1321
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,300
chickens and then they have 
flock, I don't know why I do it 

1322
01:01:54,300 --> 01:01:55,900
but the histories find it 
hilarious. 

1323
01:01:56,100 --> 01:01:59,000
Anyway, I was having my observed
English lesson with my mentor. 

1324
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,200
My University lecturer. 
The lesson was going great and I

1325
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,800
gave them a think, pie, share 
activity. 

1326
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,100
I think this is just where they 
basically go off and share their

1327
01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:08,400
ideas. 
I've never heard of this, so I'd

1328
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,900
be interested to know what that 
is exactly, but basically the 

1329
01:02:10,908 --> 01:02:13,300
children were discussing their 
thoughts on a on something. 

1330
01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:15,700
They just covered And all was 
fine. 

1331
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,900
I regained The Chosen attention 
and obviously there are a few 

1332
01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:21,900
that are really deep into 
conversation and just use this 

1333
01:02:21,900 --> 01:02:24,400
opportunity for chat General 
chitchat and chatter. 

1334
01:02:24,700 --> 01:02:26,900
So she begins to say right 
chickens. 

1335
01:02:26,900 --> 01:02:31,500
Next, we're going to and that 
one child, that loves Pig's 

1336
01:02:31,500 --> 01:02:33,400
blood out. 
I'm not a chicken. 

1337
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:39,800
I'm a pig and you're a cow. 
Now, the whole class is in days 

1338
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,700
dying with laughter and she had 
to tell the class teacher, the 

1339
01:02:43,700 --> 01:02:46,300
background, X so that she 
wouldn't just go and tell him 

1340
01:02:46,300 --> 01:02:51,400
how is like an insult as well as
it you can tell you're a cow. 

1341
01:02:51,700 --> 01:02:55,200
Oh God, oh my gosh. 
That's so funny. 

1342
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,200
I just, I loved, I didn't even 
think about that. 

1343
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,500
But to you even through the 
story, I was like walking. 

1344
01:02:59,900 --> 01:03:00,500
Yeah. 
Call me. 

1345
01:03:00,700 --> 01:03:02,500
Yes, she's a cow, she's a couch.
She got cash. 

1346
01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:03,800
Drop on. 
She's wearing a cowboy dress 

1347
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,600
because it shall not. 
Wait a minute. 

1348
01:03:07,100 --> 01:03:09,300
That's pretty love that are not.
It's so nice. 

1349
01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:12,800
It's on listening to our podcast
and and also the fact they said 

1350
01:03:12,900 --> 01:03:14,500
it's nice to hear the positive 
and negative. 

1351
01:03:14,700 --> 01:03:16,800
Because we do worry sometimes 
because we do like to most. 

1352
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,200
Everyone loves moaning, right? 
We love moaning is great but we 

1353
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,200
do also think very highly of the
profession as well. 

1354
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,700
So, it's glad I'm glad someone 
picked up on that. 

1355
01:03:25,700 --> 01:03:27,900
I've got a, I've got another one
from her because she sent to, 

1356
01:03:27,900 --> 01:03:29,900
and I said, I'd say them both 
because they did really make me 

1357
01:03:29,900 --> 01:03:30,700
laugh. 
Yeah, sweet. 

1358
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,500
So this one, this one's more. 
This one's more embarrassing for

1359
01:03:33,500 --> 01:03:36,100
the teacher. 
We have about 80 really exact. 

1360
01:03:36,100 --> 01:03:40,500
I can imagine doing this so my 
other placement story there. 

1361
01:03:40,500 --> 01:03:44,300
Sorry my other story in the 
placement school is they have 

1362
01:03:44,300 --> 01:03:47,100
this A system of behavior. 
Basically of give me five. 

1363
01:03:47,100 --> 01:03:49,500
So when you say give me five to 
the children, they know they 

1364
01:03:49,500 --> 01:03:52,200
have to stop talking. 
Listen, put down whatever is in 

1365
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,600
their hands, put the hands in 
the air, you know, five 

1366
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:55,400
different. 
The show me. 

1367
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,400
Show me three good things that 
kind of thing, just to get their

1368
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:58,200
attention. 
Basically. 

1369
01:03:58,200 --> 01:03:59,400
Yeah. 
And so, the saying they're 

1370
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:01,300
saying, the school is give me 
five. 

1371
01:04:01,700 --> 01:04:05,000
Now, I had a lesson that went 
really well and my mentor 

1372
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,700
quickly just was giving me 
feedback via the sheet as the 

1373
01:04:08,700 --> 01:04:11,500
children were tidying up at the 
end of the lesson, gave me a few

1374
01:04:11,500 --> 01:04:14,800
points from it and the children 
was getting ready for Next 

1375
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,900
lesson, basically, for English 
whilst my class teacher is 

1376
01:04:17,900 --> 01:04:20,500
talking to me and given me my 
positive feedback. 

1377
01:04:20,700 --> 01:04:23,100
She says, give me five and puts 
a hand up. 

1378
01:04:23,500 --> 01:04:26,400
So I high-five her, we both look
at each other. 

1379
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,600
Like, what the hell is just 
happened? 

1380
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,600
Because she was just saying it 
to give feedback about the, give

1381
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:39,600
me 50, the kids, the kids start 
with a day. 

1382
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,800
Or look, I was really confused 
with two adults at the front, 

1383
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:46,100
just giving five. 
I ended up hiding in the supply 

1384
01:04:46,100 --> 01:04:48,600
cupboard for 10 minutes. 
Pretending to read my feedback. 

1385
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,600
Try not to laugh or cry with 
embarrassment. 

1386
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:54,600
It's like you and it's time for 
me to buy. 

1387
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,200
Oh, that's so awkward. 
I had a feeling. 

1388
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:00,100
It was gonna be something like 
that. 

1389
01:05:00,100 --> 01:05:02,700
I was like, give me five. 
That's that's really ambiguous. 

1390
01:05:02,700 --> 01:05:03,900
Yeah, the content. 
Yeah. 

1391
01:05:04,900 --> 01:05:07,000
I think it was really good. 
How, you know, you said, give me

1392
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:14,100
50 smack awkward. 
And we thought that before every

1393
01:05:14,300 --> 01:05:16,300
time Times a day early in your 
career and especially when 

1394
01:05:16,308 --> 01:05:18,300
you're training and in the 
school you don't quite know. 

1395
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,300
I spent so much of my time just 
pretending to do something 

1396
01:05:21,300 --> 01:05:25,000
because sometimes you just sit 
around like, oh and I just, I 

1397
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,500
just really my, I'm reading my 
feedback 54 times in a row about

1398
01:05:28,500 --> 01:05:31,500
my Pace needs to improve. 
Yes, my Pace some yes. 

1399
01:05:31,500 --> 01:05:34,000
Pretend to think about it. 
And yeah. 

1400
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:35,700
So hilariously, let's give it up
for. 

1401
01:05:35,700 --> 01:05:38,700
Give me five things. 
Like a very similar thing 

1402
01:05:38,700 --> 01:05:40,700
happened in my class today 
between two children, I can't 

1403
01:05:40,700 --> 01:05:42,900
stop giggling for a few minutes 
afterwards because it was just 

1404
01:05:42,900 --> 01:05:46,400
funny and it was just a simple 
Or as this we just played times 

1405
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,300
they will shoot out right? 
And the person that went in my 

1406
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:51,200
class are obsessed. 
As you know, with this game like

1407
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,100
they all they want to do is play
these games. 

1408
01:05:53,100 --> 01:05:55,000
I have to let them occasionally 
by occasion. 

1409
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,500
I mean, every day all day. 
No and neither to the child 

1410
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,400
walked back to her place. 
And one of the other kids are 

1411
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,200
really nice, just when are well 
done and put his hand up to like

1412
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,100
give to give a high-five to this
kid and they just didn't see. 

1413
01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:09,500
And I was watching from the, you
know, I had the perfect 

1414
01:06:09,500 --> 01:06:13,100
spectator position. 
I was watching I'll see again 

1415
01:06:13,700 --> 01:06:16,700
normally The if you, if you go 
to your high five, to someone, 

1416
01:06:16,700 --> 01:06:18,900
they don't do it within like two
seconds, firstly, you're 

1417
01:06:18,900 --> 01:06:21,400
horribly embarrassed and 
secondly, you give up like, you 

1418
01:06:21,408 --> 01:06:22,500
do. 
There's nothing worse than 

1419
01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:27,600
lingering and this kid bless 
him. 10 seconds went past and he

1420
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:29,500
was like all, like, moving 
around as well, trying to get 

1421
01:06:29,500 --> 01:06:31,500
the attention still. 
Like if I did leave this, but 

1422
01:06:31,500 --> 01:06:33,400
and they just didn't notice. 
They were, like, not in the 

1423
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,000
zone. 
I had to intervene because it 

1424
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,100
was so awkward. 
As I do. 

1425
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,500
Oh, look around. 
You gonna made the person notice

1426
01:06:39,500 --> 01:06:42,300
as, oh, that's nice, isn't it? 
But like cringing inside a, how 

1427
01:06:42,300 --> 01:06:45,400
long you waited? 
And he was like, yeah, I know, I

1428
01:06:45,408 --> 01:06:46,400
saw him. 
I don't want to. 

1429
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,300
Yeah, I don't want a child only 
95. 

1430
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,100
So, yeah, I just thought as 
well, two things from that. 

1431
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:56,000
Those stories really made me 
crack up. 

1432
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,200
I read them in school from the 
enough before meeting, I was in 

1433
01:06:58,207 --> 01:07:00,700
between the end of school and 
meeting and I just sort of pop 

1434
01:07:00,700 --> 01:07:03,000
up. 
I was just laughing at myself, 

1435
01:07:03,100 --> 01:07:07,400
but also, just half the time 
when I asked for stories, we get

1436
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:11,200
a couple, but the best stories 
of always come randomly, and it 

1437
01:07:11,207 --> 01:07:13,500
was really nice to hear from 
that listener that she likes the

1438
01:07:13,500 --> 01:07:15,400
podcast. 
So guys, if you do this, we know

1439
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,000
you're out there we do, Ulysses 
are out there. 

1440
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:18,900
I'm the same. 
When I listen to podcasts, I 

1441
01:07:18,900 --> 01:07:20,600
just listened to them. 
I'm a huge fan. 

1442
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:24,000
I don't normally get in touch, 
but now I do my own podcast. 

1443
01:07:24,300 --> 01:07:27,700
I understand how much it means 
to them when people get in touch

1444
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,200
and especially as we've kind of 
like still, like I'm nicely 

1445
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:31,900
tight, tight knit community of 
listeners. 

1446
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,100
It's we love reading your 
stories. 

1447
01:07:34,100 --> 01:07:37,200
So even if you just want to get 
in, touch to say hi stroke. 

1448
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:38,800
Our ego a little bit. 
Make us feel good about 

1449
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:40,400
ourselves. 
You know, just do it guys. 

1450
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,800
Just do it and if you've got an 
amazing stories, please do send 

1451
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,900
them. 
I'm because I know Hayden. 

1452
01:07:45,900 --> 01:07:47,900
I still have loads to tell my 
still going to spread them. 

1453
01:07:47,900 --> 01:07:50,100
I can probably go for 100 
episodes of stories but we want 

1454
01:07:50,100 --> 01:07:52,700
your ones as well. 
So yeah, thanks for getting in 

1455
01:07:52,707 --> 01:07:53,700
touch. 
That was really cool. 

1456
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:57,500
Guys, thanks for making it this 
long. 

1457
01:07:57,500 --> 01:08:00,800
We actually started off Hayden 
said before this very episode. 

1458
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,000
Let's make it a short one. 
We can't we just can't do it 

1459
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,900
anymore. 
We just get too far into it but 

1460
01:08:04,900 --> 01:08:07,400
another great discussion 
absolutely love that. 

1461
01:08:07,700 --> 01:08:10,100
And would you know we've done 
guys I'm going to tell you now 

1462
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,800
because we always have these 
loads of ideas for podcast. 

1463
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,300
We've sat down and we've mapped 
out the next 12. 

1464
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,600
So we are here for the Long 
Haul. 

1465
01:08:19,899 --> 01:08:23,500
We are going to make it happen. 
We're 12. 

1466
01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:26,700
Also done. 
We've also measured someone 

1467
01:08:26,700 --> 01:08:28,700
about coming up to the podcast 
with the very first time. 

1468
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:29,899
Yeah. 
Heard nothing. 

1469
01:08:29,899 --> 01:08:32,300
Back from them - yeah, that's 
good. 

1470
01:08:32,300 --> 01:08:34,399
Well, we've got a few others in 
the pipeline owe me. 

1471
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:37,399
So I haven't had any do. 
So it is if we got no guests, 

1472
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:39,399
ignore this but just just 
hopefully didn't listen to this 

1473
01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:41,100
podcast, right guys? 
Let's wrap it up. 

1474
01:08:41,108 --> 01:08:46,100
Let's wrap it up. 
So I've had enough guys to know 

1475
01:08:46,100 --> 01:08:47,100
what? 
Hayden. 

1476
01:08:47,300 --> 01:08:49,399
Yeah, listeners. 
Yeah customers. 

1477
01:08:49,500 --> 01:08:50,600
Yeah. 
See that. 

1478
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:51,000
Bye.