1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,040 Hey everybody, welcome to this episode of the Disc Golf 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,040 Instrument. I'm Bobby Cool Daddy, Slick 3 00:00:09,040 --> 00:00:11,760 Breeze and I'm this special disc golf answer man interview. 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:17,120 I have Ron Converse Junior who just won won his fourth world 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,960 title and this all together is your fifth major title. 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,880 Is that correct, Ron? Yes, Sir. 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,760 Awesome. Well, I, as soon as I found out 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,240 he, well, I saw the post, I was looking through Facebook and I 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,560 was trying to figure out what was going on at worlds and I saw 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,640 the post where you had the little hat hat salute on there 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,840 and congratulate you. And I was like, that's awesome. 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,800 And I was like, we got to get him on the show, find out what 13 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,080 happened at the event and how you're feeling and stuff like 14 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:40,600 that. So. 15 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,080 So how are you feeling now that you have your 4th world title? 16 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,640 It's it's nice. I'd like to do it again at least 17 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,240 two or three more times. But Oh yeah, yeah, you know how 18 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,960 it is. You get to where you're playing 19 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:01,640 well and you want to continue to play well and compete well and I 20 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,720 love it. So I I'd very much like to go to 21 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,480 the next worlds and repeat. So take us back to that moment 22 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,640 though, when you put in the last putt and you just realized, you 23 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,720 know, it just came to you or let's just the, the knowing that 24 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,360 you just won your 4th world title. 25 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,040 Are you, are you in, are you in disbelief? 26 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,920 Are you like, is there a lot of pride? 27 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,400 Are you? You know what's going on through 28 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:30,840 your mind in that moment. It was more I was really glad 29 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:35,800 that it was over because I let me let me back up. 30 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:40,320 So that round started. I was 7 strokes ahead walking 31 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:43,840 into it. I stepped up and I back-to-back 32 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,600 solo birdied 2 of the harder holes on the course, hole one 33 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,760 and two. The rest of the group didn't get 34 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,800 any. And then it just sort of 35 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,480 deteriorated and the wheels fell off and he was catching up. 36 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:04,280 And I think it got down to where Tim only had a couple strokes to 37 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,400 go. If I'd have missed a whole lot 38 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,560 more than he'd have got me because he was playing very well 39 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:15,480 and I was playing horribly. I couldn't seem to get my brain 40 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,840 where it was supposed to be. Once I got to the point where I 41 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,840 think I had the realization that I had one already. 42 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:31,760 And as soon as that happened, I went and you know, all, all the 43 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,920 things I had been doing for the last week just sort of 44 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,360 evaporated and it was just a matter of trying to tread water 45 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,920 through great drives, didn't convert through bad drives and 46 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:50,160 converted to get the par and a whole bunch. 47 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,800 It seemed to me at the time as if there were a whole bunch of 48 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,000 bogeys. Now looking at the scorecard it, 49 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,240 it wasn't as bad as all that, but in my head I was like, Oh my 50 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,160 God, I'm going to lose, you know. 51 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,880 And so I was. I was very, very happy when that 52 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:12,200 last putt sank, and I knew without a shadow of a doubt that 53 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,840 it was over and the bloody had stopped. 54 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,440 Now this the division you played in was MP 60 and so you've been 55 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,040 around for a long time, disc golf. 56 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,160 Remind me how long you've been playing disc golf? 57 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:30,360 I started messing with it in 81. Oh wow, so quite a quite a long 58 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:31,040 time. Yeah. 59 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:35,880 I'm sure this wasn't the first time you've been in a situation 60 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,480 where it was stressing you out, like going toward the final, the 61 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:40,840 final holes you were stressed out. 62 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:42,960 How do you handle that? What? 63 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,400 What kind of player are you when this when the stress is really 64 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,640 there? Sometimes it doesn't matter at 65 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,600 all. I mean, I've, I've been in big 66 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,760 money situations where it was just another day playing disc 67 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,000 golf. And at the same time I've I've 68 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:05,360 had occasions where the wheels have come all the way off and I 69 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:13,040 have fallen back. USDGC good example, the final 70 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:18,560 day after multiple days of hanging in with Kenny Climo and 71 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:24,400 and playing pretty well, one stroke behind him and I get up 72 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:29,840 the next morning and come out and I just could not do anything 73 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:32,200 right to save my life. And I ended up falling all the 74 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:38,200 way back to 10th place and shot. I, I can't even remember what it 75 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,200 was. If we hadn't been so far ahead, 76 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,560 I would have definitely been way farther back than that. 77 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,120 It was, it was a miserable round. 78 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,640 But on the other hand, I've, I've had I've had the rounds 79 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:58,280 where I was behind going in and managed to do the opposite and 80 00:04:58,280 --> 00:05:04,040 just totally blank out that what was going on and just work my 81 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,640 way through it one shot at a time and, and just come out the 82 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:14,760 other side way ahead. So I think that where your 83 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:20,360 emotions are at any given moment makes a huge difference. 84 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,560 And for me wanting it, I wanted this too bad. 85 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,920 And I think that if I had stopped thinking about wanting 86 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:35,720 this and, and, you know, and just worried more about, well, 87 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,800 OK, it's just another day in the park, walk out there and then do 88 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,600 it, it, it, I wouldn't have had any of the problems I had. 89 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,480 So you've won five major titles and I know from following your 90 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,000 journey, you know, being with Dynamic Discs and you've been 91 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,800 with Dynamic Discs a long, a long time. 92 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:58,120 But what does winning look like now in the MP 60 division 93 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,000 compared to some of the because I know you've won other A tiers 94 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,400 and other events that you play locally. 95 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,600 What does winning look like now at this age compared to earlier 96 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,840 ages? Well, it still feels just as 97 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:11,760 good. Honestly. 98 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:17,120 It's only been a couple years since I won a tier in the Open 99 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,520 division, so it's not that far away. 100 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:27,360 I set a course record, won a tier, shot a 1085 rated round at 101 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:32,440 the oldest a tier concurrent in the US. 102 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,080 Which would be oh, I just went blank. 103 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:40,520 Which anyway, I I play pretty well I've I've taken some time 104 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:46,360 off because of work. Last year I was injured and I 105 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,280 find that the injuries as I get older are harder to recover 106 00:06:50,280 --> 00:06:54,800 from. So I spent a lot of time on a 9 107 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,960 inch grinder and ended up with an elbow problem towards the end 108 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,000 of last year and really struggled. 109 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,720 Took about probably 5, probably about five months of where I 110 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:12,120 didn't play very much at all. Didn't practice through a few 111 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:16,720 events but really didn't do anything and I still am not 112 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,080 practicing as much as I probably should be. 113 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:27,360 I've I've reduced it a lot because I'm I'm still doing a 114 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,040 lot of work and it's a little rough. 115 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,320 Yeah, how do you, how do you, so when you go on those long 116 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,360 stretches of not being able to play or injury or having to 117 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,440 work, how do you, how do you keep your mind in the game? 118 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,160 How do you make sure that you are staying sharp and and your 119 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,880 game is not suffering? Well, I can still put and so 120 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,880 I've got a number of baskets in the yard. 121 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:54,040 It was just being able to throw drives and getting out to, to 122 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,960 actually grip it and RIP it couldn't do that field work, 123 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,800 really couldn't do that either. And that hurt my game quite a 124 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:11,320 bit. So I know what I need to do to 125 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:16,840 accomplish it and part of it is getting the reps in and making 126 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:21,280 sure as I go into the larger events like this that I have 127 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:29,760 plenty of time on the course. And so I, I set up to play, I 128 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:36,120 think I played four or five pretty good sized events in the 129 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,960 Masters MP40 division and I won the last two of them. 130 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:50,080 So I'm I was feeling pretty good about how I was playing and I 131 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,160 know how I'm playing. Any given day I get out there 132 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:57,600 and play with whoever. I still throw in excess of 400 133 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,600 feet. I still am able to putt pretty 134 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:05,160 well normally and I haven't really. 135 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,520 I'm sure it's going to catch up with me one of these days soon, 136 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:15,440 but as long as I maintain, I think the work, while it's 137 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,640 kicking my ass right now, is also helping me to maintain my 138 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:26,760 physicality and my ability to perform simply because I have to 139 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,800 stay in good shape to to do the job. 140 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:35,400 And that's a friend of mine, Jimmy Souter. 141 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,680 He's also been in a very physical work for a long time 142 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:55,800 and we both play fairly even head to But he was we were 143 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,360 talking about it and, and decided that the work what is 144 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:04,640 what was keeping us in the game, even though it was sort of a a 145 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:10,120 hassle to try and get around it. At the same time, it was 146 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:17,280 maintaining our physical skills, athleticism. 147 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,320 I don't know if I was retired if I would have the motivation to 148 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:27,040 work as hard at staying in shape as as I do just simply by going 149 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:28,880 to work. So you. 150 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,320 Know speaking on that have has there been any time leading up 151 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,920 to this world's or maybe the whole maybe you're just not 152 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,200 ready to give up if it has been every time you thought you know 153 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,760 I just I just can't do this competition thing anymore. 154 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,040 No. No. 155 00:10:44,680 --> 00:10:51,960 No, I, I, I've had when I've had physical problems, I haven't 156 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,080 really. No, I don't think I've ever 157 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,880 thought I'm ready to quit. It's always been what do I need 158 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:04,240 to do to get back in the shape that I need to be in to compete. 159 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:13,040 And that's, I think that's more the mindset that I've got is I 160 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,600 want to see how far I can take this. 161 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,840 I, I would love to be able to continue to play at a fairly 162 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:23,600 good level, as old as I can get. And that's really I, I'm, I'm, 163 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,760 I'm very curious how, how far I can push it. 164 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,120 So I'm, I'm going to keep trying until I can't. 165 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:36,760 And I, I've thought about it a lot and I, I think it's going to 166 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:43,000 be the small things, arthritis or, you know, something, the 167 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,360 inability to grip the disc properly is probably going to be 168 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,120 what takes me out because I'll still be able to walk around 169 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,640 and, and do the rest of it. And my arms and shoulders will 170 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,640 probably be great. But I'm, I'm assuming that the, 171 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,240 the grip is probably going to be the hard part. 172 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,680 So I've been thinking about that and trying to figure out how I 173 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:08,480 can work around that as time goes by. 174 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,600 So back in the day, like I said, when I would travel to a lot of 175 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,800 the dynamic disk events, you know, you'd be the, the, the old 176 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,760 guy playing in the, in the MPO division and you'd still be 177 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,120 giving these kids a run for their money. 178 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,800 What do you think is the secret to to that for you? 179 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,440 What? How did you, how are you able to 180 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,600 keep up with these guys that were throwing farther and 181 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:35,280 farther and farther? Well, really, I've always been 182 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:43,440 able to throw fairly far and it really hasn't dropped a lot even 183 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,960 with the older discs. I said a a second place behind 184 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:53,920 crazy John Brooks throwing distance and it was, it was like 185 00:12:53,920 --> 00:13:00,160 485 feet with 187g. I can't remember what it was, 186 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:08,440 some big platter and then time goes by and I'm still throwing 187 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:15,680 somewhere around 485 feet. My longest ace is from about 15 188 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:20,320 years ago. It was at 485 feet, but that 189 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,200 obviously I'm not throwing it as far as I was. 190 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:27,640 I'm, I'm now I figure it's more like 4/15, 4:20 somewhere in 191 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,880 there. But my putting skills have 192 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:40,080 improved, I would say quite a bit and my ability to look at a 193 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:46,240 shot and know what to do, well, that's that's improved 194 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,720 dramatically. I'd get up there and I might 195 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,920 throw the wrong shot or, or try and make something work in the 196 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,480 past. And now I've I've been throwing 197 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,560 for long enough now that I know what I should be doing. 198 00:13:57,560 --> 00:14:00,000 It's just trying to pull it off sometimes. 199 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:02,640 Is the. Unpacked that for us. 200 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:04,560 Unpacked that for us a little bit. 201 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:08,600 Like, what are you thinking when you walk up to the T pad and 202 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,400 you're looking, you know, at the layout? 203 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,240 I know you can't. It's, it's, it's hard to give a 204 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,800 general answer, I'm assuming maybe because of so many 205 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,000 different layouts that are out there. 206 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,040 But what generally what's going through your mind? 207 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,360 What are you looking at first to kind of figure out what disk 208 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,720 you're going to use, And then what how do you go through the 209 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,200 whole process of knowing how you're going to throw that disk? 210 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,560 Well, first place is going to be what's the trouble on this hole? 211 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:38,320 What do I want to avoid? What do I want to accomplish if 212 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:44,800 I'm in a larger event? It's more like, how can I not 213 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,560 lose 2 strokes? You know? 214 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,400 I don't want to throw OB no matter what. 215 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:59,120 And so you shape your shot to avoid the problems and still try 216 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:04,760 and maximize the good stuff. So if I want to throw a straight 217 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:10,040 shot and I have a cross wind and I'm afraid of going to the 218 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,800 right, I'm going to throw something that's still going to 219 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,600 break from right to left. When it finishes. 220 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,280 If you know, even if the left is a little obstructed, I'm going 221 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:28,560 to try and push it over and then have it break back if I have a 222 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,760 shot. I've also tried to get a little 223 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:37,920 more, a little less aggressive because I do have a problem with 224 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:46,680 I know I can make this shot and I can do it like 8 out of 10. 225 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:53,560 That's not good enough. I mean, honestly, if you, if you 226 00:15:54,000 --> 00:16:00,120 fail to convert, then you just lost a stroke or you stuck it 227 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,720 somewhere where you can't throw. And a lot of times it's as 228 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:11,000 simple as trying to go through a window or not choosing to pitch 229 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,320 out when you should just pitch out and take your lumps. 230 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,720 And that's the kind of thing that I, I think the pitching out 231 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,200 thing has come a long ways in the last few years because I 232 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:27,480 used to, I'd look ahead and I would go, OK, that little spot 233 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,600 right there, it's thinner. I think I can get through that 234 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:35,560 spot right there and if I do, I might be able to salvage this 235 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:40,000 hole. Well, no, no, it's way better 236 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,560 for me now I've I've recognized that if I just throw it out into 237 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,000 the middle of the fairway, throw it up to the basket and drop it 238 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:53,400 in, I may take a four, but I won't take a 5 or a six or or 239 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,280 whatever it takes to cut through that piece of forest. 240 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,640 So. Do you watch much disc golf of 241 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,240 the big disc golf tournaments? Do you watch on YouTube or 242 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:05,880 anything? I watch some of them. 243 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,839 I I like, I like watching the big boys play over in Europe. 244 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:17,400 I love the courses over there. They're truly beautiful and it's 245 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,040 on my bucket list. I'd I'd like to get over there 246 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:24,160 and have the opportunity to play while I still have the skills to 247 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,520 maybe be able to do something with it. 248 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,480 What are your thoughts on some of the progress you've seen from 249 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,840 players as far as their their skill level from the time you 250 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:40,760 started up to up until now? Overall, it's part of it is the 251 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:45,880 technology because the reason why I, I could throw 485 when I 252 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:50,120 was young and with a fat ugly disk and now I can throw, you 253 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:51,920 know, it just sort of followed me. 254 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,240 I rode the wave of, of disk improvement and that's what kept 255 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,120 my distance going. And I've, I'm looking at the 256 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:04,680 kids now who are coming into it with a knowledge of throwing 257 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:11,160 discs and lots and lots and lots of practice and, and they're, 258 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:16,280 yeah, I got to watch a lot of these guys at junior worlds in 259 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:20,520 Emporia and Gannenberg. Great example. 260 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:26,360 Holy crap, he throws far and he's very, very skilled and I 261 00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:28,920 love seeing it. It's, it's fun to watch. 262 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:34,160 I can't duplicate it at this point in time, but I sure do 263 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:39,000 love watching it. And it's, it's nice to see the, 264 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,960 the skill level still there. You know, people keep improving 265 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:48,240 and I, I hope to, I don't know how much further they can push 266 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:53,480 it, but I, I hope to, to see it continue to the point where the 267 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,800 professional side is truly amazing. 268 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,680 And I mean, it already is, but I mean, even more to where those 269 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:06,120 guys are doing things that they're just dreaming about now. 270 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,800 Yeah. So take us back to or take 271 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,440 yourself back to, let's say not quite when you first started. 272 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,600 Let's say you've been playing for 2-3 years. 273 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,560 What's what's some advice you'd give yourself back then? 274 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:24,480 Wow, that's, that's a tough one because two or three years puts 275 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,480 me at the first beveled edge disc. 276 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:36,000 So honestly it was, I think I really started competing in the 277 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:45,160 early 90s and in like 919293 and I I played a lot. 278 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:50,280 Anytime I wasn't at home or with the kids, I was at the course or 279 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,400 I was dragging the kids with me to the course. 280 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:59,240 It it, it really, I would have spent more time practicing 281 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:05,080 putting and focusing on the different. 282 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,200 Well, I right now, I, I putt different ways. 283 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,720 I'll putt with a stagger stance, I'll putt with a straddle. 284 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,720 And as I play more courses and and see more. 285 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,920 Variations in crap around the basket. 286 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,920 I'm really happy to see that it's no longer just a nice clean 287 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:31,080 circle of, you know, 10 meters and they've actually started 288 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,640 putting obstacles in around baskets and things. 289 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:40,400 I think that really having to place your shot as you come to a 290 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,240 hole really improves the game considerably. 291 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:49,040 But the other part is that if you know how to manipulate a 292 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,520 round stuff with your putt and not just throw that straight 293 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:58,640 putt every time, then you're ahead when you don't quite get 294 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,400 it where you need it. And so you can maybe throw it 295 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,960 around the tree or throw it over the rock or, you know, and you, 296 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:11,320 you get better at finishing a hole. 297 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:18,160 And I think that's, that's a big deal because nobody ever is 298 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,200 perfect. And especially on the more 299 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,440 difficult courses, if you are off a little bit on your drive, 300 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,640 that puts you in a, a rougher spot for your second shot. 301 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,520 And with your second shot, you have to get to the basket 302 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,440 usually and, or get in a position to throw in a putt. 303 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,560 And so it, it just becomes much, much harder with the older 304 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,480 courses. Approaches were simple. 305 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:46,600 And I, I, I'm very good at simple approaches. 306 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:52,760 It's the, the ones that are more like another 400 foot Dr. 307 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,400 followed by, you know, where I want to put it. 308 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,000 That's a lot harder now, especially if you have a 309 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,280 congested landing zone. Being able to putt around that 310 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,880 stuff is very important. And I would have told myself 311 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,440 that long ago. It's not going to stay like 312 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:12,160 this, get the newest, hottest and, you know, continue to to 313 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,880 run with it. To a certain extent I did 314 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,520 anyway. But yeah. 315 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,600 So yeah, it seems like that's been a thing for the longest 316 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,320 time is people want the newest and latest and hottest, you 317 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,840 know, disk and you know, obviously, I mean, that's a yes, 318 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,840 people love to do that. But and then another thing I was 319 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,280 going to ask you is when you are practicing or I guess what 320 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,080 advice would you give? I know a lot of people like to 321 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,840 go out and they'll go play around and they consider that 322 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,760 practice. But how much of your practice is 323 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,280 actually playing around a disc golf versus just getting out to 324 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,640 a field and seeing what your discs do? 325 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:54,080 Yeah, field work is so important and that's that's part of what 326 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,440 I've been missing. So to make up for it, what I do 327 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:03,880 is I'll go to a course and I'll throw six shots on each hole, 328 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,960 you know, something like that. Instead of dumping the bag in 329 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,520 the field, I'll dump the bag on the course. 330 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,160 And it, I'm, I'm sure that in busier places that's hard to do. 331 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:20,440 I've, I've got enough courses around here that I can find one 332 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,360 that's not got a lot of traffic and just spend some serious time 333 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:30,120 working on trying to low ceiling or, you know, the different 334 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:34,600 types of shots that I might have to do on top of just open field 335 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:40,720 shots. I, I think that working with 336 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:45,920 obstructed fields and trying to bring it around trees and, and 337 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:52,760 working less with the, the open field shots is really beneficial 338 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,760 because it seems like course designs going more for tunnels 339 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,800 and more for high difficulty, throw it to a certain area and 340 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,720 then have to throw it from there. 341 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,560 And I, I love those courses because I can score well on 342 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,760 them. And people that throw really, 343 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,760 really far might have a little more trouble because, well, I 344 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,040 remember when I was just learning to throw far and I can 345 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,480 only throw like 300 feet. And it, it made a lot of my 346 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,080 decisions really easy because I knew I couldn't throw any 347 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,520 further than that. I would pick a spot at the 348 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,440 farthest distance that had a good landing zone where I could 349 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,640 continue from there to get to the next, you know, the next 350 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,800 shot. And it, it, that was, I didn't 351 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,240 have a choice. Now these guys that throw, you 352 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,760 know, 5-6 hundred feet, they have to figure out on those 353 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,280 shorter holes that are constricted where they need to 354 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,040 put it so they can get to the basket. 355 00:24:54,720 --> 00:25:00,680 I, I, I dislike watching courses where they're allowed to just 356 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:06,440 throw a shot that's short of the general direction, but maybe 300 357 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:12,480 feet the wrong direction. You know, Las Vegas shows up 358 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,800 every now and again, some of those open fields where they're 359 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:22,440 not trapped by OB or by natural hazards, they can just throw a 360 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:28,040 big spike and it doesn't matter. And so they'll get a three from 361 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:34,080 somewhere from wherever. Now as as course design improves 362 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,920 and you end up with courses where you're not allowed to just 363 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,680 throw random giant shot that direction and you actually have 364 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,920 to pick a landing zone, I think you're going to see continued 365 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,000 improvement in the the skills of all these guys. 366 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,520 All right. I got one last question for you, 367 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,480 but before I do, I'm going to tell you, have you think of a 368 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,120 question? What have you been doing with 369 00:25:57,120 --> 00:26:00,880 these last episodes that I was kind of switch seats with you 370 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,680 And have you ask any question you want to ask just to bring up 371 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,280 the conversation if you want to talk about. 372 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,280 So I'll let you think about that. 373 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,040 But before you do, we'll make you think more and ask you. 374 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,880 So let's say you've got one round of disc off left your for 375 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,600 your entire life, right? What course you playing? 376 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,240 What 4 discs are you using? And then who are you playing it 377 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,320 with? Wow, this is sort of mean. 378 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,160 Well, do I get to drag them all with me to wherever? 379 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,480 Yes, we're going to Europe. OK. 380 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,240 Yeah, and man, I'm not sure which one I'd pick. 381 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:41,960 There's some beautiful courses over there. 382 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,480 There's some. Beautiful courses over there, 383 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:53,120 but I I would be in Europe and I will take, I would take an 384 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:58,920 enforcer, a blister pro, an escape and a judge. 385 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,320 Oh OK, no need for a mid range huh? 386 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,240 That's I can throw my judges almost as far as I can throw 387 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:11,520 most of my mid ranges. There's a few exceptions, but I 388 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,520 think I can do an escape. I don't know man, That's that's 389 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,520 just something. I know, I know. 390 00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:21,720 The enforcer though that, I mean, that's a pretty well for 391 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,680 me it is. It's a pretty overstable disc is 392 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,400 that is that kind of your one of your distance driver like a go 393 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,400 to distance or? No, no, it's not distance. 394 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:36,040 It's well sort of is. It's about probably 350 395 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,920 overstable. If I throw it up in there, it's 396 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,440 going to spike. If I want to throw a skip around 397 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,600 the corner, I can, I can hit the corner and have it fly and and 398 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,000 give me a good jump. There's there's a lot of tricks 399 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,640 I can lean on it with a forehand and, and probably get it about 400 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:59,960 290 and that's about it. But it it would give me a little 401 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:04,840 more flexibility in there is. That escape going to be a flippy 402 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,280 escape for you or. Well, I, I've got some that are 403 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:14,040 fairly straight and basically I'll put a, a tiny bit of hyzer 404 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:19,920 on it and it'll just barely turn over and it'll, it's just, yeah, 405 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,760 really darn straight. I I've enjoyed the escape 406 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,600 throughout the years. I don't think it's changed a 407 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,880 lot. It's just a matter of putting a 408 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,560 tiny bit of hyzer on it and throwing it, you know, level or 409 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,440 however you need it. I don't want to go to product 410 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,840 heavy, but it was interesting you, I had requested from the 411 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,520 team to send me some throws of the Heist because we're having a 412 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,360 heist release here pretty soon. And you actually had a kind of a 413 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,880 different take than what you've seen people talk about on the 414 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,240 Heist. Kind of tell me about that. 415 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,200 I've heard a lot of people say how under stable it's going to 416 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:02,520 be and that's not my experience. I'm I'm finding it to be if I 417 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:08,720 hit it hard it'll flatten out and go straight, very straight 418 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,880 and it will finish with a nice predictable heiser finish. 419 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,160 It's not, it's not flipping over. 420 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,400 I think the video I sent you, I actually released it with an 421 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:27,440 Anheuser and had it come all the way back over left of center of 422 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,520 fairway. So it's it's still got quite a 423 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,040 bit of strength in it even into a headwind. 424 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,880 I was finding a very straight flight. 425 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,960 I I look forward to seeing maybe what the other plastics do. 426 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,520 I wouldn't mind having one that was a little more unstable just 427 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,960 to play with because it goes very far. 428 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,600 It has good glide. And yeah, the only reason it's 429 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,160 not one of the four is because I'm not used to it yet. 430 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:04,400 But it's, I, I picked one up. Somebody had left one in Topeka. 431 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,560 I was up playing Topeka and it was right after the glass blown 432 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,240 and somebody had left one out on the field. 433 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,600 And so my group, everybody had thrown one. 434 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,720 I hadn't thrown 1 yet. And so I, I picked it up and 435 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,920 just launched it and it was a clear one and it went dead 436 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:29,760 straight at about 443440. Very nice. 437 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,080 Didn't really turn over, didn't really heiser a whole lot. 438 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,440 Just was pretty straight. So we all signed it and turned 439 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,840 it in. So somebody has a, you know, 440 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,760 there was no signature or anything on it. 441 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,640 That's fine. Another thing before we jump to 442 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,040 your question, I know and it's a project that you and I just 443 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,400 could never get get off the ground. 444 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,800 It felt like and I don't remember where we ended up with 445 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,600 it what, but it was your big you had for when you were with this 446 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,000 craft. You had written a very long but 447 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:11,800 very well written post or blog post, whatever article about 448 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,960 throwing in the wind. And then we transferred it over 449 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,560 to dynamic Disks, but then we wanted to do more with it. 450 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,440 But tell us so because you played mostly in Kansas, right? 451 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,200 Kansas is pretty much where you've been playing the majority 452 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,240 of your. Oklahoma in Kansas. 453 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,520 Oklahoma, no, Oklahoma, Omar, Oklahoma, yes. 454 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:31,600 Oklahoma. And you, of course you've been 455 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,160 down to the Texas tournament when dynamic just was in Texas. 456 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,040 Tell us real quick, what's your what's your quick, quick down 457 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,080 and dirty of playing in the wind? 458 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,240 Quick, down and dirty. I don't know if you can do that 459 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,000 because it was it was a pretty extensive article. 460 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,360 It had really good information. Yeah, the the simplest one would 461 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:55,920 be don't allow the wind to hit the bottom of your disk unless 462 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,040 you want to push. If it hits the top, it's going 463 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,800 to push it down. If it hits the bottom, it's 464 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,320 going to lift it up and and may not let it go where you want it 465 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,160 to. So it really depends on the 466 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,120 effect you want, but if you want to be safe, you want to have the 467 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:11,800 wind hitting the top of your disk. 468 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,560 Interesting, that's the simplest. 469 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,240 Yeah, we'll have to dig into that a little bit more as time 470 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,320 goes by. The article, it was a magazine 471 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,960 article that was called Mastering the Wind and it stayed 472 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,160 on the disk Craft website for seven or eight years. 473 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,720 And then when I moved over to DDI, brought it over and 474 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,160 obviously I've I've put it on several disks, the basics, the 475 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:43,120 wind directional and last year I released one with a hot stamp 476 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,920 again. So they're out there. 477 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,640 That's awesome. All right. 478 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,120 What? What question did you come up 479 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,200 with to have a conversation about? 480 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:58,360 Well, I'm curious what you think about the progress of you. 481 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:03,920 You've been in doing media for this sport for some time. 482 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,920 And I, I think media was always sort of a catching point trying 483 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,640 to get it in front of more people. 484 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:16,200 And now it seems to have sort of made the corner. 485 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,720 I, I, I saw it all over the place in places that I wouldn't 486 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,080 expect to see it. But I'm still getting asked 487 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,160 occasionally about you. You all go down there and you 488 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,000 throw Frisbees at, at, at. What do you throw the Frisbees 489 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,280 at? So what are we going to to get 490 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:40,080 to the point and and what needs to happen for the media to have 491 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,200 a big enough effect that I don't get that question anymore? 492 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:52,440 That's a great question. So what what I found interesting 493 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,400 is that I've been listening to some podcasts, disc golf 494 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,480 podcasts. One of them is the The Funsie 495 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,200 podcast. And there's a couple young guys 496 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:05,360 that create content. They're not pros, they play disc 497 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:06,880 golf. They hang out with pros. 498 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,960 Some of them do and they create disc golf content. 499 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,120 And I was listening to one particular episode and they were 500 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,800 talking about how they felt disc golf was right on the cusp of 501 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,199 just being mainstream. And they just like if we just 502 00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:23,440 get more money into the sport or if we just would end up on some 503 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,440 big, you know, champ sport channel. 504 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,920 And I'm thinking, my gosh, we've been saying that for how many 505 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,800 years? I mean, I mean, literally word 506 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,560 for word. I mean, we've been we've been on 507 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,440 ESPN, of course, you know, was the lower, guess you could call 508 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,120 it lower level ESPN channels. We've been on CS, CBS Sports 509 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,120 Center. Of course, as long as you had, 510 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,560 oh, I don't know if you heard that Thunder. 511 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,560 Wow. As long as you had the right 512 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,800 amount of money, you could be on CBS Sports. 513 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,840 So it feels like we've been on some major networks. 514 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:59,920 We've had major celebrities play disc golf and put it out there. 515 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,440 We just haven't. I don't know. 516 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,480 I'm almost perplexed myself. I don't know why we haven't made 517 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,480 the jump where it's just like more mainstream. 518 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,520 I mean, a lot of people can blame the whole, you know, 519 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:14,200 people still think we're hippies. 520 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,840 I mean, Jimmy Fallon and Brad Pitt just put, I don't know if 521 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,680 you saw that video, but they're, yeah, they're wearing tie dye 522 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,200 and they're throwing, they're they're throwing actual lids. 523 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,680 They're not throwing disc off discs, but they'll throw it into 524 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,280 a basket. You know, we recognize what a 525 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,320 basket is, but they're being goofy and silly. 526 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,520 Of course, they're comedians. That's what they do. 527 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,920 They make fun of things. But even that to the extent it's 528 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,440 like, wow, they they that's still the persona put out there 529 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,880 that just a bunch of hippies wearing tie dye, you know, 530 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,320 throwing these big round pieces of plastic. 531 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,640 I honestly think it will take it's to me, it's just going to 532 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:55,320 it's never going to be a, a, a, a single moment. 533 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,560 I don't think that we're going to go. 534 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,000 That's the moment disc golf became mainstream. 535 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,680 It's the little things here and there, the appearance on Jimmy 536 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,000 Fallon, whether it's how stupid it is, the guy from Game of 537 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,400 Thrones out there posting stuff about playing disc golf, some 538 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,080 celebrity getting into disc golf and playing it a little bit 539 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,920 more. These young kids that are 540 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,160 creating content that are just, they're just disc golf content 541 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,920 creators. They're not necessarily have 542 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,640 aspirations of being in a big tournament or winning any big 543 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,760 title. They just want to create fun, 544 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,360 challenging videos. And disc golf is at the center 545 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,520 of it. And it's just going to be a slow 546 00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:36,120 kind of a slow burn in my eyes unless something viral comes 547 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,640 along. But even then, I mean, Brodie 548 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,440 Smith was been viral how many times for Ultimate? 549 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,040 And they're still not a huge sport. 550 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,360 But there are I think they're the numbers are probably bigger 551 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,280 than disc golf. Maybe I don't, I'm not 100% 552 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,120 sure. But you know, I think it's going 553 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,960 to be a lot of small moments that lead to the time where you 554 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,160 know, you won't have it asked. You won't it won't be asked of 555 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,960 you quite as often. I mean, even in pickleball, 556 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,760 pickleball's much more bigger, it feels like. 557 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,800 And I still have people ask me, you know, what is the kitchen 558 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,560 and what is this all about with pickleball? 559 00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:10,720 I don't know if it ever go away, but I don't know. 560 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:13,000 But I guess let me ask, let me come back to you and ask you 561 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,680 when, when will you think is that kind of your, your 562 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,400 littman's test of when disc golf is made it if people don't ask 563 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,760 you about you throwing what at a what? 564 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,400 Well, I, I get it less in different places. 565 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:36,440 So I, it used to be even in the home courses area where we've, 566 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:41,400 we've got 5, No 6 courses in Ponca City now, I would still 567 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:48,360 have people say you, you play down there in the park and those 568 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,800 are baskets. Those what, what do they do? 569 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,800 You, you throw, well, you throw it into the chains and it. 570 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,960 Oh, OK, I see. And you'll have to sort of work 571 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:02,360 them through it. And for a while it seemed like 572 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,120 that had gone away. And then as I travelled more, I 573 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,280 would run into it in other places. 574 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:17,080 And a lot of the stigma has, has, has changed because, well, 575 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:22,000 frankly, you know, the, the hippies are starting to become a 576 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,840 dying breed. They've they've aged out and now 577 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,680 you have, it's more like, it's more like bowling. 578 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,120 It's become a, a very serious blue collar sport to a certain 579 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,040 extent, at least in this area. You'll find all the guys that 580 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:45,800 are working the, the local just assemblers and, and people that 581 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,400 are, are working all the factories. 582 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,680 That's their blow off time. They'll go out there and they'll 583 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,000 throw things at trees. And I, I understand that that's, 584 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,560 that's there's not a whole lot better for your Peace of Mind 585 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,760 than walking through a park, throwing things at trees. 586 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,680 And if you can do that with your friends and make fun of your 587 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,600 friends at the same time, you're way ahead, you know, mentally 588 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,840 and, and physically. And so I think it, it might 589 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,480 possibly take the place of bowling in the long run that's 590 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,520 in, in sort of that direction. But I was just, I was just 591 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,600 curious, you know, if there was a media if if you thought 592 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:34,360 perhaps the answer was in in your venue and media, maybe 593 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,200 getting it out there. I remember the albatross. 594 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,760 We all thought, oh, wow, that made all sorts of news. 595 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:45,160 Billy Angle the top ten. That was a big deal. 596 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,120 James Conrad, the holy shot that I mean, that was huge. 597 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,880 I had, I had people, I remember when that happened, I had people 598 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,600 sending me the clip saying, Oh my God, I see your disc golf is 599 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,160 now in, you know, on this channel, this channel, whatever. 600 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,640 So that was a big deal too. And part of that was timing as 601 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:11,000 we get closer into COVID and all the the people that came along, 602 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,360 there's a ton of people who have no idea who I am. 603 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,320 And it's sort of fun. I almost want to do one of those 604 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,760 like the other man dresses up and goes, and you know what I 605 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,760 mean? The basketball player dresses up 606 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,440 like an old man goes down to the corner. 607 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,160 I almost want to hop in and go down to one of the the, you 608 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,640 know, like Charlotte or something and, and stop on one 609 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,320 of the harder courses and, and ask for directions and how I 610 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,120 play. You throw it like this. 611 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,040 And I think that'd be that'd be tons of. 612 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,720 Fun. That would be funny. 613 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,880 But yeah, I just just wondered what you thought, Bobby. 614 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,240 Yeah, I mean, yeah, obviously if we were to, you know, all of a 615 00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:55,360 sudden be on, you know, mainstream ESPN or something 616 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,240 like that, that would be beneficial. 617 00:40:57,240 --> 00:40:59,880 But it it almost as though, like I said, I don't know that it'll 618 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:05,080 be one big moment because what if we, I don't want to say that 619 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,840 we've maybe maybe we have failed. 620 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,040 You know, we had the moments, like you said, the albatross. 621 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,240 We had the moments where James Conrad and the Holy shot and all 622 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:16,240 that. Did we take advantage of that 623 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:20,680 enough, You know, did we, you know, did we, you know, did we? 624 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,560 I don't know what I can't answer the question as far as saying 625 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,160 what should, what should we have done? 626 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,960 And I'm not saying nothing was done, but maybe not enough was 627 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,520 done. I don't you know, I don't know. 628 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,480 I do know that, you know, it is a it is a successful sport. 629 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,840 I, I mean, there's still people commenting now I see. 630 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,440 Why are you calling this a sport? 631 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,240 You know, so there's still a lot of people making fun of it and 632 00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:44,200 stuff like that because there's people making fun of pickleball 633 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,200 and pickleball keeps getting bigger and bigger. 634 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,000 So I don't know, but I'm along for the ride. 635 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,200 I'm here to ride the waves and have a good time. 636 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,560 And what's interesting is that, you know, I've been only, I've 637 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:59,040 been gone for 4:00-ish years from disc golf, a summers 638 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,720 change. Not a lot has changed. 639 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,360 Some of it has just kind of progressed a little bit. 640 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,000 But you know, even even the outfits that the the people are 641 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,880 wearing on it and tournaments has changed over the years. 642 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,200 I feel not, not since the time I've left, but I can, I can say 643 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,760 within the last probably 7 or 8 years, it feels like the even 644 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,520 the outfits that they're wearing on camera has improved. 645 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,240 Maybe that sounds hard to say improve, but I think you know 646 00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:26,800 what I'm saying. I mean, I, I remember seeing 647 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,680 times like guys were just wearing performance T-shirts and 648 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,600 basketball shorts and they didn't even match. 649 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,120 And I'm like, I get it. I get it. 650 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,240 I'm not saying I understand disc golf has its roots and just, you 651 00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:40,960 know, casual. But, you know, presentation is 652 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,760 something. So when you talk media, that's a 653 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:43,960 thing. And it's like people are going 654 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,000 to look at that and go, what is he wearing? 655 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,840 But if you see someone, a nice polo, nice, you know, 656 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,160 performance shorts, I think people will kind of take the 657 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:57,120 sport a little more serious. So anyway, yeah, all right. 658 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,040 Well, Ron, I appreciate you getting a coming on the show and 659 00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:03,280 talking about your experience. And again, a big congratulations 660 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,240 on your 4th world title. And yeah, like you, like us, 661 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,400 like you said, I want, I'd love to see you keep going. 662 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,480 It gives me hope as an old guy to see you keep going through 663 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,040 everything. And I hope you win a lot more 664 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,160 titles. I think it's going to be 665 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,840 awesome. I got one more quick one. 666 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:23,200 It's funny. Yeah, I went to sign up and I 667 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:29,040 had the 5%, you know, the top 5% rating wise. 668 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,520 You get to sign up early in, in your division at Masters Worlds. 669 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,680 OK, well, I was qualified to play. 670 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,440 I've never played 60 before. I've never played 55 before. 671 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,640 I've only ever played fifty. That's as old as I've ever gone. 672 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,760 And so I tried to sign up for 55 and they wouldn't let me really 673 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:55,000 because my native division, because I'll, I'll be 63 August. 674 00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:00,000 It was the 60s. They wouldn't let me even though 675 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,800 I was in the top 5% of 55 year olds. 676 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,360 Wow, that's interesting. All right, Ron, again, I 677 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,800 appreciate you being on the show and I look forward to watching 678 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,680 you out there playing playing more. 679 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,360 Thanks, Bobby. Have a good one, man. 680 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:18,600 You too, man.